For Individual Freedom, Personal Responsibility, Limited Government, Free Markets, and PEACE — Vote Libertarian!
http://libertarianparty.org/

Even with Libertarian Candidates, we must be vigilant to insure that they stick to the promises they make. And there is nothing preventing the Elites from taking over the Libertarian Party if we don’t remain vigilant. Here is just one of many books (and it’s Free) which reveal the behind the scenes Politics as controlled by Powerful Elites:
http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

Ben Bernanke’s Beard says:

The Constitution may not be dead in your mind, but as a member of the public school system, I can tell you first hand that over half of my classmates couldn’t name 3 rights given to them from the Bill of Rights.

That someone educated in the public school system believes that the Constitution gives anyone rights is sufficient evidence of the abject failure of the public school system. Keeping in mind that I was also educated in the public school system I know this to be true cause that is what I was taught. Further research on my own allowed me to discover the lie.

The Constitution is a contract and a set of LIMITS on government. It lists a set of enumerated powers given to government.

It is also a very narrow set of limits on the people. The limits on the people are limiting what powers we are allowed to delegate to our government no matter how badly we may want to give government certain powers.

Just one example. We are not allowed to give the President the power to kill people based on his belief/claim that they are terrorists.

Now we can change that contract but it requires a great deal of effort. Hence the 3/4 of the states to add an amendment rule.

John writes

Moreover, if you look at the weaponry used, you will find that both sides where on par, they had the same muskets,cannons and other.

I believe you now understand the point of the 2nd amendment and what weapons it covers.

John, we’re practically on even footing now. All of our troops are overseas. lol. So it’s a bunch of pissed of Americans versus five hundred some odd politicians. March 10,000 strong on Washington with rifles and there won’t be much they can do about it.

What are you talking about, John?
What did Larry say that was “superstition”?

Dave, read his and my reply, and please at least try to comprehend what I said before you comment. I know its hard, but you could at least make an effort once in a while instead just blindly attacking every post of people you don’t like.

You’re right, John, it is difficult for me to comprehend illiterate comments.

Whoa! You cast the first rock here, buddy!

HOG, Notice you haven’t refuted one single idea or statement Ron Paul has said. Rather, you call people names and cast aspersions on people’s sanity and character. It’s obvious you have no argument.

Karolyn/Blue. I have no argument. I am stating fact. paul and his bots are lunatics. Period. –HOG

HOG,
You’ve stated your opinion so now go back to rooting, as most hogs do, for those tasty bits of slop you both need and love to feed on. Sorry, we’re out.

You are talking to a POST, ~ HOG only cast stones and offers ZERO support for any of them, a child? a Moron? i’d quite reading his stuff, he’s nothing to offer.

Don’t waste your time with hog, people. Obviously a fool!

Al,
The Public School Propaganda in the United States started pretty much the same time that people were sold the bill of goods that Public Education was the way to go:
http://mises.org/journals/jls/7_1/7_1_3.pdf

Dave – I don’t see how he could answer….

Hmm? he might talk to a lot of people but if they somehow think of Ron Paul as a flake, that doesn’t say much for the people he talked to.

A bit Quaky perhaps ~but never a flake. Ron Paul is the only constant in the entire GOP line-up. Newt has done his share of flip flopping and the other’s have behaved like a fish out of water.

Ron Paul has not made one single statement that he doesn’t believe in.

I certainly don’t agree with everything Ron Paul would like to see imposed and placed into law but Ron Paul is no Flake, but as about as real as real gets.

Anyone what would say such a thing doesn’t know anything about the man.

Ron Paul will not be imposing or placing anything into law. Rather he will be rescinding many of the already burdensome array of laws, especially the Unconstitutional ones.

Deerinwater says:

Ron Paul has not made one single statement that he doesn’t believe in.

Nor has he voted contrary to his beliefs. A truly remarkable accomplishment.

“…all that punk is doing is screwing over yoiu, me, Our Family, and even pets muzzlam hates”

So you do have a reason other than not liking his supporters. Albeit, very uninformed, and lacking intelligence (pets muzzlam hates? screwing us over?)…. but a reason nonetheless.

Perhaps you could elaborate on that a bit?

Hog is our best Ron Paul advertisement. Vote for Ron Paul to stop the Hogs in this country.

“Hog is our best Ron Paul advertisement. Vote for Ron Paul to stop the Hogs in this country.”

or a poster child for Planned Parenthood .

Great quote, Mike, and so true.

Amen! Fall of the Roman Empire Take 2!!

I hope Sheriff Joe has better security than Obama or Breitbart, because any threat to this bunch of criminals can and will result in serious repercussions.

There will be nothing come of Sheriff Joe’s “investigation” , Joe’s gets some “press”. A hero to some and idiot to other’s. Joe is no doubt a big man of his town and county. Can hire & fire and do the “W”strut, willing to crush any one that opposes him.

Joe will destroy himself and it will come by his own hand, soon I fear.

He will go just like Rush. Just like Glenn Beck and Howard Stern’s, exiled to pay as you go radio, ~

Deer, wake-up; you’re dreaming, again!

My problem with Senator Paul is that as the forgers of the Constitution said, “It’s wholly inadequate to govern a people without internal constraint” – that not only don’t we know the context and content of the Constitution, we don’t have the will power and character to live out what the Constitution tells us to do.
Even within conservative, evangelical Christianity, there are precious few “Bereans” (it takes a Christian who knows his Bible to get this reference) who can tell you what the gospel is, where you find that foundational roots for our founding documents, the “Christian Constitution” etc.
Beyond the above, the Senator doesn’t see the need to “protect marriage”, the nuclear family, and a host of other constraints necessitated by our current ignorant, apathetic generation. Another name for “Liberty without restraint” is Mob Rule aka democracy.

I don’t want that muzzie in office, nor paul. See what I mean? These lunatic clowns just throw out accusations of all sorts simply because I know paul and his clown posse to be…..clowns. –HOG

You need to take a close look at Newt, for he is the only one with the fire and ability to look Obama in the eye and tell him where he is wrong, point by point. I realize that he is not perfect, but none of the candidates are, but he is far superior to Obama, who has managed to do NOTHING but get us deeper in debt, despite having the majority in both houses of Congress for two years.

It’s taken 3 years to dig out of a hole it took 8 years to dig and we are still digging. I’m more please with the last 3 years then I am with the previous 8. It was not a necessary hole to dig, total unnecessary. It could have be addressed in other more effective ways.

So perhaps you might indulge us with all this need for gloom.

One of the simplest ways to control a situation is to own money, I know that sounds radical perhaps, but tell me, has anyone ever owed you money? Killing them is not a good idea, or doing anything to restrict they ability to pay you back is not a good idea.

Like a man told me one day, I’d rather owe you then try to cheat you.

We are huge nation, 320 million people that enjoy a standard of life many only dream of. A new American created every 14 seconds! We enjoy global interest with strong allies all over the world. When we set down to supper, you got to think large.

We must get beyond thinking about just “camp meat” , something to chew on while we hunt, get your mind on the hunt.

HOG Columbus,
Let me guess, HOG stands for Hooked On Gingrich???
You know, the big government globalist man from Bilderberg, and unabashed CFR member!!! The transition from Obama to Gingrich would be as smooth as switching from diet coke to diet pepsi, both sweetened with aspertame and other poisons. Talk about man made disasters, seesh…

Yes, Jukebox, I am looking at newt closely. he’s not ‘the’ answer but sure beats the hell out of hussein and the rest of the clowns. –HOG

MikeJ, I’d legally change my name if I were you. Anywho, HOG-shovelhead, my fave harley engine. Man, you paulbots are delusional, seriously. –HOG

Apparently, Hog, you aren’t looking at Newt very closely:
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1461/049/Newt_Gingrichs_Positions_-_Comprehensive_list_with_sources_-_Spread_this_around.html

But then, Hogs are known for wallowing in the mud.

DaveH, Reeaallyy? They are all dirtbags, including the old white messiah paul. –HOG

Okay, Hog, I’ve read all your comments to this time, and I see nothing informative, just a lot of personally attacking and a reference to the fact that you have a copy of the Constitution as if that somehow allays your ignorance.
Is that how you determine your favorite candidates, by Liberal-like emotional rants of name-calling and other manipulative phrases in lieu of facts?

Yea Dave, that’s it. You have figured it ot. Brilliant! ron paul 2012 yaaaaaaaaaaaaa Heh heh:) –HOG

Why was my last post butched, Bob? –HOG

Since every one of HOG’s comments began with an ad hominem it was easy to determine that he had nothing useful to contribute to the discussion.

I agree 100% with you Juke Box, Newt is the only one with the strength to crush Obama

Wow Vicki, wow. You have now converted me with that brilliant observation/prophesy. Go ron paul! Please ron, ignore the detractors, they are only hateres:) Or is that h8ters? Heh heh:) –HOG

Hog, ~ not that Newt has a change at anything other’s then maybe selling more books and weaseling people out of their money the old fashion way with smoke and mirrors by using the weakness found in the beholders inflated ego.

What makes you thing that Newt would be a good president? What quality does he possess other then being one of only two contenders that “might” give Obama a contest?

HOG, what is your goal, exactly? Every post you make has some negativity towards Ron Paul, either directly or sarcastically. No one is even saying anything about Paul on this branch of the conversation.

You won already. Ron Paul is not going to get the nomination. The American people have made it clear that they prefer war, debt, deficits, inflation, government intrusion, and the loss of liberty. That’s what we’ve had, and that’s what the other candidates they voted for offer.

So why continue with the Paul bashing? Just let us freedom loving Americans hope for a while that we might actually get to see a president who for once is worth a damn. When the smoke clears, feel free to then revel in the election of your tyrant.

But for the present moment, I for one am getting sick and tired of hearing your drivel. If you have a legitimate complaint against Paul, make it known. If you just want to call him names like an ignorant buffoon, I think maybe you should exercise your freedom to shut the hell up.

Mr Frazier just can’t ‘tolerate’ anybody who knows paul is an lunatic and a danger to we the people. –HOG

Hog – I believe your posts prove quite well where the lunatic sign should hang and it’s not Ron Paul.

Blue, I’m all for not sticking our nose where it doesn’t belong, but we don’t live in Kansas anymore Toto! What happens on the other side of the globe does have a direct effect on us! I mean unless Alex Jones and Jessie Ventura are right, 9/11 should’ve been a wake-up call to us all! Before 9/11, a lot of people in this country thought that the rest of the world could go to hell and some how we would remain immune, of course if AJ and JV are correct, we have a FAR worse problem!!! JESUS IS COMING! You’d BETTER get ready!!! Study the prophecies! Do you think that ALL these things are ALL happening simitaneously by coinsidence?!! All the man made turmoil along with ALL natural disasters!!!
Is your lamp trimmed and BURNING?!! (Matt. 25:1-13) Brcause if you’re not LOOKING up, (Luke 21:28) you SURELY to GOD must be blind!!! (II Cor. 4:3&4) You surely don’t want to be TOLD to line up with the goats!!! (Matt. 25:31-46) HE IS COMING!!! He loves y’all and so do I!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpoudLoc8sY

Read these books, Tom W., and if you still live in your fantasy world, I give up:
http://mises.org/books/pearl_harbor_greaves.pdf

http://library.mises.org/books/John%20T%20Flynn/The%20Roosevelt%20Myth.pdf

Mr accord, I’m simply burning a vacation day my company/job has given me for yrs of service. No handouts here. I don’t need your help. I probably wouldn’t offer you any help. –HOG

TML/DaveH, that was bizarre, and why do you thinkI ‘m an dif poster? What is wrong with you people? –HOGi

I’m gonna burn another one tomorrow, that’s tuesday for you slow, er, paulbots. –HOG

So you have a framed copy, did you ever read it? What does Art 1, Sec 8, clause 11 say?
Houston we have a problem called Libya and the most recent comments from the President saying he gets his legal authority to bomb Libya from the UN. Additionally and most recently Mineta said in a Senate Hearing he also gets his authority from the UN and NATO. I guess he didn’t read the U. S. Constitution either, wait didn’t the President teach Constitutional law? Most recently the President is talking about a blockade of Iran, in case you don’t know it a blockade is an “Act of War.” I wonder if he will get permission from Congress. Oh, I forgot he will get it from the UN. If you really want to know how bad it is go to 911justasking.com and smell the coffee.

See what I mean? metrosexual here wants the sheeple clowns to believe I can’t read, simply because I know ron paul and his posse are a bunch of clowns. –HOG

Sorry bob. No can do. I loath paul/paulbots, and conspiracy nut jobs. –HOG

I forgot-see what I mean? If ya don’t worship paul, the bots start sliming, accusing, and on and on an…….-HOG

Ron Paul is the only candidate in the lineup with a history of obeying the Constitution. You would know that, Hog, if you did any reading of real history.
Give us some meat, Hog. Tell us specifically what Constitutional rule Ron Paul doesn’t follow, and your favorite Candidates do follow?

DaveH please. If you think that paul millionaire is going to do anything other than screw you, you are lost. –HOG

Heh heh:) I forgot this also-Look at what TML spent time to actually do. Is that not bizzare to say the least? Please. Anybody other than hussien or paul-birds of a feather. –HOG

“Look at what TML spent time to actually do. Is that not bizzare to say the least?”

It took no time at all, and not bizarre in the least to show you give no intelligent reasons. How about you provide some and then we can have a more mature conversation.

The Flashman clone (Hog), as expected, won’t provide any particulars because he knows they wouldn’t hold up under scrutiny.

Hog, you’re insane!

TML, I don’t like paul or his cult members period. See yer post. Explains a bit. –HOG

I simply asked if you have any intelligent reasons behind loathing Ron Paul. I take your refusal to give any, as a No.

Thank you

TML, I loathe, h8, ron paul mainlybecause of the incessant, juvenile cult following that never shuts up. Ya know? I mean? Like ows, hollywood, and communist infiltrators in general. Get it? –HOG

“TML…, that was bizarre”

I fail to see how quoting you is bizarre.

“TML, I loathe, h8, ron paul mainlybecause of the incessant, juvenile cult following that never shuts up. Ya know? I mean? Like ows, hollywood, and communist infiltrators in general. Get it? –HOG”

Well, I can understand why you might not like some Ron Paul supporters because of the way they act. I’ll have to say that is legitimate. Yet I fail to see how the loathing of his supporters should reasonably transcend to the individual (Ron Paul) simply because of his more eccentric followers, to which he has no control over.

TML, paul is an space cadet. Period. That’s all the reason I need. His supporters? He could at the least shun them publicly. He doesn’t. Why? He is going to split the vote again, and hand us 4 more yrs of…….fill in the blank. I don’t want that crap, and niether should you. –HOG

Keep ‘em straight Vig!

Again, may I applaud your thoughtful response. Clearly, if Obama is to be defeated, we must remain vigilant, informed and attentive to his polished, platitudes and disingenuous rhetoric.

Jeffh, I usually don’t come on PLD when I have the Grandbaby, but today I did. I read quickly and only got half of what I wanted typed on before, the dogs water dish and food were all over the floor, I hit submit and left!__ Got to love the terrible two’s! lol

anyway__ I’ll finish now__I’m convinced Jeff, those that aren’t awake now, won’t be until its too late to do something about themselves and they’re families._As for the AAV’s same for them. if Ron Paul doesn’t get in, I’m not voting_its simple as that_ and then I’ll cancel my voter registration, I’ve had enough!__. I’ve had enough of the suave, debonair types of candidates, who sache’ across the stage, and say ALLTHOSE THINGS EVERYONE WANTS TO HEAR, and Isn’t that what happened the last time….and look what it got us!?

Haven’t we learned our stinkin’ lesson yet, that good looks and smooth talk does NOT a President make, nor does is make him/her any smarter either!?__For God sake, what in the hell is the matter with people?_We’ve got them our own family who can’t think any farther than they’re noses unless someone is holding they’re hand, honestly sometimes I wanna slap them up-side the head!!!

Angel Wannabe, …what else can I add to what you have already said…not much…except AMEN

“Personally, I think that Dr. Paul would’ve been the hands down winner if not for his naive stance on Islam and the Defence of Israel! Ahmadinejad and his Persian dreams of grandure had BETTER be dealt with now, other than later!!!

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
“And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.” – God speaking to Abraham on his desendants of PROMISE!”

So you didn’t/wouldn’t/won’t vote for Ron Paul because you think it’s naïve to not make yet another war with Muslims, and to not unconditionally support Israel. And you think this because you are naively religious. This… this right here… is what is really wrong with this country; religious nut jobs like you who promote preventive/preemptive endless wars for strictly religious reasons. And support for such war MUST have financial backing and so you are also supporting the private bank (Federal Reserve) to keep printing money out of thin air to finance this religious empire of yours! You are, in fact, no better than your Muslim counterpart you seek so desperately to destroy. Your ilk makes me sick.

All of the candidates, that you think are “wise”, want to continue our current foreign aid policy which gives more money to Israel’s enemies than to Israel (I’ve heard 3x and 5x more). With this aid we get to tell Israel when and how they can and cannot defend themselves and where they can and cannot build settlements.

Ron Paul wants to end foreign aid (which would help Israel who has a better military and a better economy than the Islamic countries). He also wants to allow Israel to make decisions for itself like a sovereign nation. He doesn’t want the US telling Israel how to run their own country. When Israel attacked Iraq many years ago, Ron Paul was the only vote to support Israel (maybe only Republican). I’d say Ron Paul is a better ally to Israel than any of the other candidates.

Tom W.
First of all Ron Paul is right on the money when it comes to what our relationship should be with Israel. But first you must understand that Israel is a child prodigy of the Rothschilds and therefore no real harm will come to her. The unsurpassed giftedness ascertained by Israel in such a hottly contested area of the world, and within such a brief period of time would not have been possible without the outside intervention of the same financiers who bankrolled the Napoleonic wars.

The reality is they are being used as bait to crush the remaining middle east dictators not on board with NWO plans for world domination.

Dear Tom W.,

You write: “Bob writes a good article, but he seems to be a bit of a sore loser when it comes to his hero Ron Paul. While I’ll agree that Dr. Paul hasn’t gotten a fair shake from the MSM, he has been a non-contender.” Ron Paul has not only not gotten a fair shake from the MSM, there has been an out-and-out effort to black out coverage of his campaign. And by the way, that Ron Paul is non-contender is yet another lie by the MSM. Combine these two items to understand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=q-O0jgRgo4I
http://www.dailypaul.com/219926/breaking-las-vegas-nevada-ron-paul-delegates-sweep-the-clark-county-convention

You write: “Personally, I think that Dr. Paul would’ve been the hands down winner if not for his naive stance on Islam and the Defence (sic) of Israel! Ahmadinejad and his Persian dreams of grandure (sic) had BETTER be dealt with now, other than later!!!” Then you cite Gen. 12:3.

Abraham’s physical descendents forfeited this blessing and it no longer applies to them. It now applies only to the spiritual descendents, ie, all Christians. Your cite of Gal. 4 bears this out.

Best wishes,
Bob

Who are Abraham’s descendants of promise according to Galatians 3:7? Tell me, when Jesus wept as he walked away from the temple, why was he crying? When he said, “Oh Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, AND YOU WOULD NOT!
When Pilot wanted to release Jesus rather than Barabbas, the Jews refused, saying, “His blood be on us and on our children!”
Who is John, in the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ talking about in Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9? He is talking about Zionists.

In light of real history, Tom W., including the many False Flag events, and the obvious control of Government by a select elite, you continue to believe that our military excursions are aimed at Freedom. While our military is overseas pissing off populations of people, taking away their rights, killing them, you apparently believe the administrations when they say that they are fighting for our Freedom. Never mind that we are losing it here rapidly.
No, Tom W., you are the Naive one.

You selectively quote the Holy Bible to suit your needs. The country of Israel is NOT God’s chosen. The Jewish people were, but they turned their backs on God. God’s chosen people, the NEW Israel, is not a country, but those who believe on GOD’S Son, Jesus Christ, for in Christ, their is neither Jew nor Gentile. We as believers, the saints, are God’s chosen.

ChristyK says, “With this aid we get to tell Israel when and how they can and cannot defend themselves and where they can and cannot build settlements.”

I don’t think anyone in Israel would agree with you. Israel will strike Iran when the iron’s hot, US influence or not. You can bank on it.

Then, “Ron Paul wants to end foreign aid (which would help Israel who has a better military and a better economy than the Islamic countries). He also wants to allow Israel to make decisions for itself like a sovereign nation. He doesn’t want the US telling Israel how to run their own country. When Israel attacked Iraq many years ago, Ron Paul was the only vote to support Israel (maybe only Republican). I’d say Ron Paul is a better ally to Israel than any of the other candidates.”

I agree with you and Dr. Paul on this score.

Dear Mr. Livingston I feel honored to have garnered a response from you sir. You would’ve had one yesterday but all of a sudden I couldn’t post anything, and believe me I had some responses for a couple of individuals yesterday! Just a glitch I suppose. But you and anybody else who tries to push the replacement theology BS your propogating sir are flat out wrong about God being finished with Israel! Romans 11:1-2 (KJV) says, “I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,” Read the whole chapter, it all has to do with the restoration fo His people Israel! You need to pick your Bible back up Bob and do some studyin’!!! The term Last Days, Latter Days, In that Day all refer to when God would bring about the regathering of His children back to the Promised Land! We as Gentile Christians are grafted in, “For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?” Rom. 11:24. Salvation has always been to the Jew first! “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.” – Romans 1:16 (KJV)

Dear Tom W.,

You write: “But you and anybody else who tries to push the replacement theology BS your propogating (sic) sir are flat out wrong about God being finished with Israel!” Such language from someone professing to be a Christian? I Timothy 6:3ff: 3 “If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not [d]agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, 4 he is conceited and understands nothing; but he [e]has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions,” (NASB)

I have addressed this issue about Israel being God’s chosen before. Perhaps you missed it. It is not I who says it, but God. Here are the highlights:

Yes, that was the promise to Abraham. But his descendants did not keep their part of the covenant. They rejected God.
Nehemiah 1: 7-8 (NASB)
7 We have acted very corruptly against You and have not kept the commandments, nor the statutes, nor the ordinances which You commanded Your servant Moses. 8 Remember the word which You commanded Your servant Moses, saying, ‘If you are unfaithful I will scatter you among the peoples;

Hosea 8 (NASB)
8 Israel is swallowed up;
They are now among the nations
Like a vessel in which no one delights.
9 For they have gone up to Assyria,
Like a wild donkey all alone;
Ephraim has hired [g]lovers.
10 Even though they hire allies among the nations,
Now I will gather them up;
And they will begin to [h]diminish
Because of the burden of the king of princes.
11 Since Ephraim has multiplied altars for sin,
They have become altars of sinning for him.
12 Though I wrote for him ten thousand precepts of My law,
They are regarded as a strange thing.
13 As for My sacrificial gifts,
They sacrifice the flesh and eat it,
But the LORD has taken no delight in them.
Now He will remember their iniquity,
And punish them for their sins;
They will return to Egypt.
14 For Israel has forgotten his Maker and built palaces;
And Judah has multiplied fortified cities,
But I will send a fire on its cities that it may consume its palatial dwellings. (NASB)

Because Israel played the harlot God scattered them. Because the Jews rejected Jesus, God rejected them.
Now the promise in Gen. 12:3 is fulfilled through the spiritual children of Abraham. The Law was nailed to the cross, and with it the promise to the physical children of Abraham was granted to the spiritual children of Abraham.

Read Galatians 3 for better understanding of this. As verse 29 says, “And if you [ak]belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s [al]descendants, heirs according to promise.” (NASB)
Read also Colossians 2

13 When you were dead [k]in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. (NASB)

Romans 4
16 For this reason it is [o]by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the [p]descendants, not only to [q]those who are of the Law, but also to [r]those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17 (as it is written, “A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS HAVE I MADE YOU”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, even God, who gives life to the dead and [s]calls into being that which does not exist. 18 In hope against hope he believed, so that he might become a father of many nations according to that which had been spoken, “SO SHALL YOUR [t]DESCENDANTS BE.” 19 Without becoming weak in faith he contemplated his own body, now as good as dead since he was about a hundred years old, and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, with respect to the promise of God, he did not waver in unbelief but grew strong in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform. 22 Therefore IT WAS ALSO CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 23 Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him, 24 but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 He who was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification. (NASB)

Read also Romans 10

From Matthew 23:29ff “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30 and say, ‘If we had been living in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves, that you are [x]sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of the guilt of your fathers. 33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how [y]will you escape the [z]sentence of [aa]hell?
34 “Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, 35 so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the [ab]temple and the altar. 36 Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. 37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. 38 Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! 39 For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!’” (NASB)

You write: “You need to pick your Bible back up Bob and do some studyin’!!!” You are correct. I will continue as I do regularly.

Best wishes,
Bob

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I see….

That “freedom” is found only in Jesus Christ and He, the one found only in the Bible of Virgin Birth, the Son of the Father, the “Way, the Truth, and the Life”, Creator, Preserver, and Governor. This means He’s all the fulness of the Godhead in bodily form and His chief characteristic is not “Luv” but Holiness.
He and Satan are NOT brothers, He was Incarnated uniting God and man together forming a bridge between and without sin so that he could die in man’s place on the cross. He is unique in that his borrowed tomb is empty, his body was never found having been resurrected. He is the ONLY Way to the Father and, yes, He’s returning to rapture/catch away His bride the universal church before the Tribulation.
Salvation is found only in Him and by Him plus or minus nothing!!

Tom, Paul wrote (Rom. 9:6-11): “Not as the though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel; Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. For this is the word of promise, At this time jwill I come, and Sarah shall have a son. And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that callleth;)
Paul’s “they are not all Israel, which are of israel” referred to imposters that infiltrated in years past.

Dave has sure GOT it!!! JESUS IS COMING! He loves y’all and so do I!!!

I hope they don’t “hitch their wagon” to the failing USA star; that is, that they act as they need to for survival. God will keep His people as He has down through time – they have been and are His chosen people.

Tom, you are an Idiot, this is just one of the points the article makes, instead of worring about the wiiner of American Idol, you are concerned with March Madness, and a cardinal. Apparentley you got nothing out of the story or you read too many books with pictures, and did not read the words.

Was that attack necessary, Maverick?

Yeah, kiss my a$$ Maverick!!!

@Vigilant – and I fail to see your reason for continuing to stick your head in the sand? I think Mr. Livingston is trying to keep us informed and to NOT give up! That one day the AAV might actually wake up and see thru the lies. But, until such time, America will be a very difficult environment to navigate.
Mr. Livingston, I fail to share your cynical view that, in essence, everything in American political life is settled and there’s nothing we can do about it.

That if the AAV actually woke up and would realise that Ron Paul is the only one to restore liberty, then we might actually get our government back?

One can only hope that a president like Ron Paul could cut through the facade!

That If we don’t pay attention to elections as the source of corruption, then we get more of the same?

I guess you never heard of the Reagan Revolution, have you? One person did a lot in 8 years!

I would much prefer to read, in place of irreversible gloom and doom, something for a change that offers hope, offers some specific solutions or steps forward: Ron Paul!

We can definitely change things, but that would actually require Americans to get up off the couch and do something bold! I think most Americans are waking up to the idea that only action will make a difference. And, you are the only one with the gloom and doom attitude with you status quo mentality.

“Status quo – Latin for the mess we are in.” – Ronald Wilson Reagan.

I won’t agree that things cannot be changed, but it won’t be easy. Despite all the different rhetoric from the 2 global elite controlled parties, about the same thing happens.

Agreed.

I see many of the things mentioned in action. I don’t deny that the MSM is keeping the quality candidates locked in the attic like Cinderella while they push they ugly step sisters on us in the persons of Romney and Santorum. Nor do I deny that our government at this point is about empire. We are behaving no differently than the British Empire, the Roman Empire, the Persian Empire, or any other in history. I even acknowledge that our Bill of Rights is as much as scrap paper at this moment. They have not merely violated what Bob says. They have made null and void the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 10th, and 14th amendments virtually worthless.

However, on a positive note … some on this blog may be familiar with the Mandrake Mechanism. The basic idea is that taxes are completely unnecessary in a paper money society. Nevertheless, they have to be kept up to maintain the illusion. To eliminate taxes would be to expose the worthlessness of our money and create a crisis of confidence in the currency that would lead to an almost immediate collapse.

By the same token, the Constitution has to be maintained in public. While they can undermine it all day long, in no public setting can they outright deny it without there being political consequences. The Constitution belongs to the people, and it is only the illusion of the politicians’ adherence to it that allows them to continue to mutilate it. If they tried to blatantly undo aspects of it, the people would be outraged. That’s why we have the Patriot Act as opposed to a repeal of the 4th amendment. That’s why we have the National Defense Authorization Act as opposed to the repeal of the 5th and 6th amendments.

So the politicians are painfully aware of the fact that while they can try to undermine the Constitution with cleverly named legislation that hides the true purpose of a bill, they can’t outright alter the Constitution itself without paying the price.

That being the case, the bottom line is, the Constitution itself says that it is the supreme law of the land. IF one or more of us were willing to make the fight, the Patriot Act, the Defense Authorization Act, the multitude of gun laws, etc., would all have to be discarded since they are not in pursuance of the Constitution, but in defiance of it.

So the positive note … the thing we can do … is take back our freedom. The one right they haven’t yet managed to take away completely is the right to keep and bear arms. As the amendment itself says, it is a right that is necessary to the preservation of a free country. People seem to forget that there are only five hundred some odd politicians at the Federal level, while the population of the United States is over 300,000,000 according to the 2010 census. They, in truth, have no more power than the power we permit them. If they are stealing our liberty, it’s because we are doing nothing about it.

And this one positive thing in our favor is the precise point of Bob’s article. People are like the cardinal. We get a candidate in the running who might actually make a difference, and the people like a bunch of mindless automatons march to the poles to vote for whomever the MSM has told them they should vote for. Who cares if the candidate has flip-flopped on a dozen different issues and thinks that it’s no big deal that the government can now indefinitely detain American citizens without due process? Who cares if one of the candidates wants to start wars in half the countries around the globe? Who cares if the candidate has a history of pandering and compromising on core issues? The MSM has been telling us that Romney is the winner since before the first vote was cast, so I guess that’s who we should vote for. After all, though he is the most hopeful candidate, Ron Paul, they’ve informed us, isn’t electable.

Excellent post Vig!!!

Vigilant said:
“Mr. Livingston, I fail to share your cynical view that, in essence, everything in American political life is settled and there’s nothing we can do about it.” Mr. Livingston never said there is nothing we can do about it.

“If, as you say, it’s all run by NWO puppeteers and “presidents are controlled by Goldman Sachs and its fellow banksters,” then what
possible difference does it make who we vote for, including Ron Paul? ”
It’s all part of maintaining the illusion.

“If, as you say, 9/11 was some evil conspiracy cooked up by some omnipotent evil forces in the world, then what makes anyone think that they would allow Ron Paul to even assume office if he were elected?”
They would rather prevent Ron Paul from getting close to being elected
rather than create a grassy knoll incident. here again maintaining the illusion.

If, as you say, the elections are all rigged, then what good does it do to speculate on who could or could not beat Obama? At the risk of sounding repetitive, here again it’s all about maintaining the illusion.

“Please don’t tell us it all boils down to placing some Messianic hopes in a single man to change everything. In denying that contention, I would have to say that’s not a cynical view, but an all too realistic one. Paradoxically, unless given the powers of king or dictator, no single person stands a chance of changing much of anything in America.”
Mr. Livingston never said that one man could change everything. The reality is that the POTUS is only one cog in a global wheel of tyranny.

“I would much prefer to read, in place of irreversible gloom and doom, something for a change that offers hope, offers some specific solutions or steps forward. If no such remedies are possible, then all discussions on the matter are nothing more than hand wringing over something we cannot change.” While you may be content with hand wringing, the silent majority each in his or her own way are quietly preparing for an as of yet unspoken call to action that we will all recognize when we hear or see it.

Alan says, “That if the AAV actually woke up…”

That’s the whole point, sir. I would certainly like to see that happen as well, but Mr. Livingston is telling us that wouldn’t make a bit of difference, and that is the point of our disagreement. In a rigged electoral system, run by the corporatists/statists, NWO or whomever is behind the scenes, how can you believe that Ron Paul, even if elected, could make any difference, unless his Congress was of like mind?

Your comments about Ronald Reagan, intimating that a Conservative president can make a difference, are totally in synch with mine. And that’s why I disagree with Mr. Livingston. I do happen to think that there’s hope for this nation, but that the hope willed be dashed if we don’t elect representatives as well. Placing your bets on one horse is costly.

I do not believe that Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. That there is much work to do to bring the Repubs around to the proper Conservative mode of thinking goes without saying (and Romney’s NOT the man to do it), but if there’s no difference, then why does Ron Paul choose to run on that ticket?

Many say that the Repubs are like the Dems but will take us to ruination at a slower pace than the Dems. While that may be true, it is also true that a slower pace might provide more time to educate both the pols and the people that Conservative principles are the only hope of restoring the country to the greatness it once claimed.

Michel J., you say, While you may be content with hand wringing, the silent majority each in his or her own way are quietly preparing for an as of yet unspoken call to action that we will all recognize when we hear or see it.”

I am saying precisely the opposite, and you will see that if you re-read my posting. It is my contention that hand wringing gets us nowhere, but I’m also saying that it’s political naivete to ever think that electing Ron Paul would alone change much in the way things are done.

Moreover, your coded statement about “preparing for an as of yet unspoken call to action that we will all recognize when we hear or see it” runs perilously close to seditious talk. Do you indeed advocate the overthrow of the US Government?

Good comment, Alex Frazier.

Vigilant says”
“It is my contention that hand wringing gets us nowhere, but I’m also saying that it’s political naivete to ever think that electing Ron Paul would alone change much in the way things are done.”

We both agree that hand wringing gets us nowhere, but for some it generates invention.
We both agree that electing Ron Paul would alone change much in the way things are done. The effect would be like trying to stop an oncoming freight train by shooting it with a BB gun, but it’s a start.

And finally, it seems to me that you are most vigilant at the art of putting words in the mouth of Mr.Livingston and myself.

“Truth equals treason in an empire of lies” RON PAUL

Michael J, If ron paul won the election, he would have the power to veto spending bills and that alone would go a long way.

Mike W,
Vetoes can and will be overridden by congress. Ron Paul will be a lame duck from day one because NOBODY in congress will work with him. He needs congress to work with him, but congress does not need him to work with them. He can refuse to sign legislation and congress will just present legislation that benefit the people and after Paul refuses to sign them he will end up a one term president with NOTHING achieved. This is the grim reality.

The reason people get behind Ron Paul and that he is messianic is because Ron Paul’s voting record proves what he says. There is a reason he is called Dr.No. Lobbyists can’t taint him. I believe in Ron Paul because he is the only one that says what is really going on and that has to mean something because the way the media will not give him the credit and truthfully shafted recent poll #’s he’s actually getting. His being in this election only serves to prove the establishments crooked ways and when we get Obama or more than likely not “the next one” (president) we will see them going from their campaign promises to doing the same thing the last one did.

Thank you for your thoughtful views. Clearly, both sides of our political process engage in dubious claims, scathing criticism and verbal malarkey. Indeed, some might suggest that both sides have an interest in retaining the status-quo. In short, expect more attempts to bamboozle the public as our self-righteous, political elites remain fixated on their own re-election.

Michael J. says, “And finally, it seems to me that you are most vigilant at the art of putting words in the mouth of Mr.Livingston and myself.”

Kindly provide specifics instead of offering sweeping insults without substantiation.

And you didn’t answer my question.

Alex, excellant.

I, myself, find this paragraph at the end of Mr. Livingston’s article most revealing.

“How do you recognize a failing regime? By the rate at which it increases controls on its people. The U.S. system of government and its money are on a road to collapse.”

I think this quote pretty well sums it up:
“Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes the laws.” Mayer Amschel Rothschild

There is, in my opinion, a “shadow government”…centralized banking , the Federal Reserve, House of Morgan…

1791: Rothschilds through Alexander Hamilton (their agent in George Washington’s cabinet) set up a central bank in the USA called the Bank of the United States. This is established with a 20 year charter.

1811: The charter for the Rothschilds Bank of the United States runs out and Congress votes against its renewal. At the time Andrew Jackson (who would become the 7th President of the United States from 1829 to 1837) says, “If Congress has a right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use by themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.” Nathan Mayer Rothschild is not amused and he stated, “Either the application for renewal of the charter is granted, or the United States will find itself involved in a most disastrous war.” Andrew Jackson’s response to this is to say, “You are a den of thieves vipers, and I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out.” Nathan Mayer Rothschild’s reply to that being, “Teach those impudent Americans a lesson. Bring them back to colonial status.”

1812: Backed by Rothschild money, the British declare war on the United States.

1816: The charter for the Bank of the United States is renewed for another twenty years with the Rothschilds in Control of the American money supply again. The British war against the America therefore ends with the deaths of thousands of British and American soldiers, but the Rothschilds get their bank.

1837: Following his years of fighting against the Rothschilds and their central bank in America, President Andrew Jackson finally succeeds in throwing the Rothschilds central bank out of America. It would not be until 1913 that the Rothschilds would be able to set up their third central bank in America, the Federal Reserve.

1865: In a statement to Congress, President Abraham Lincoln states, “I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me, and the financial institution in the rear. Of the two, the one in my rear is my greatest foe.” Later that year President Lincoln is assassinated. Nathaniel de Rothschild becomes member of parliament for Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire.

1913: The Jekyll Island Conference and the plans for the Federal Reserve leading up to the Federal Reserve Act. The Rothschilds set up the Anti Defamation League (ADL) in the United States designed to brand as, “antiSemitic,” anyone who questions or challenges the Global Elite. Strangely enough, the same year that they do this they also set up their last and current central bank in America, the Federal Reserve. Congressman Charles Lindbergh stated following the passing of the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, “The Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President signs this Bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized…….The greatest crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill.” It is important to note that the Federal Reserve is a private company, it is neither Federal nor does it have any Reserve. It is conservatively estimated that profits exceed $150 billion per year and the Federal Reserve has never once in its history published accounts.

Our government isn’t run by the POTUS or the House of Representatives. They’ve just there to provide the appearance of a government. I imagine that a good majority of them are clueless, just fall in line with the “status quo” under the thret of…???

I firmly believe there is a “shadow government” controlling virtually everything, the world’s economy, the propaganda you hear, read or see on TV. It’s not just the U.S., it’s Europe and beyond…hence the “globalization” or idea of a world controlled by a few. Who’d of thunk it? Many of you don’t, but there is enough written, speculated and on the internet to raise the idea as real rather than conspiratorial. See the UN’s Agenda 21…it is real.

Our Bill of Rights and our Constitution provide our two most potent weapons…and to heed the wisdom(s)of our founding fathers.
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A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader. – Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, February 12, 1779

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.
- Noah Webster, An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, 1787

The problem is, Obama gave the speeches about hope, change, clear roads to making a difference. He and many of the people voted in before him knew exactly what to say to make the “AAV” vote for him, myself included, but not in the primaries). He even looked the part and his history seemed somewhat promising, at least the part of his history that was readily available.

I’m hopeful myself, but not in the current political system. The one they “seem” to follow has been pretty good to us for a while, but all of the warnings from our founders have played themselves out and worked their yeast-like ways almost completely through the bread: mainly, bankers’ hands in our “government.”

I don’t believe one man can make a big difference. But if the right few people get VOTED in, that’s obviously many more people that one, or a few, that are making that difference.

Though, even if Ron Paul doesn’t get voted in, I believe some kind of change will eventually happen. History proves that “the people” can only take so much sh– from those “above” them; again, why our founders had dreams of a government that was afraid of its people rather than the other way around. And maybe, just maybe, enough of us Average Americans will be able to find that same spirit our founders had and turn that fear back around, somehow or another.

Alex Frazier and JeffH…awesome commentary.

The eventuality is collapse. Good thing we’re Americans though…because to us, this is just another challenge we’ll overcome, with no help from the “vigiliants” of the nation.

A few observations on this discussion.
1. Mr Cardnal, I say Mr because he is a male, is simply doing what most of those commenting here are doing, trying to protect his own teratory. In the spring mails of many types mark off an area for mating. many will defend it to the death. The problem here is that he only sees his own reflection as a thretining male! Once the mating seasion is past the cardnels flock together to live.
2 Mr Paul, if elected or any President, cant do much without signaficent support in both houses of Congress. Governing by veto like trying to stear the ship of state buy throwing out an anchor on ether the port or starboard side in mid ochan. (notice I did not say left or right side). When a storm is driving you into the rocks this can help, but as a cruse ship captain found out reciently, not much and not after you have hit the rocks!
3 I have many face to face discussions with voters in the past and was supprised how many have come to beleive that the “checks and ballances” setup in the Constitution is not the seperation of powers between the branches of government but the seperation of the olitical parties! Should a letter in parrenthies (D,R, I,N,C…) after a persons name have any more revelance than their race, relegion,gender, eye or hair color. Maybe Congress should rearnge the seats alphabeticly by last name than having Ds on oneside and Rs on the other side “of the isle”
I saw a youtube video of Mike Wallace interviewing Morgan Freemen where Mr Freeman said “I stopped calling you white, why do you still call me black.
Let us get past the matting season where we are all trying to protect our own little kingdom and work together to overcome the great challanges facing humanity like overpopulation, overconsumption of natural recources, underutilization of people’s abilities,…

Thank you for your erudite response to Bob. However, I also commend Bob for discussing an issue many have wondered about. To what degree does our vote count? Are “elections…rigged?” Are we moving towards a permanent “imperial Presidency?” To what degree do members of our ruling, political class care about the common good? These are vital questions to ask while our Republic continues to evolve. Happily, now is not only the time to ask such questions, but to offer concrete solutions. In short, if we are to avoid an on-going plutocracy we need to ignore political spin, verbal malarkey and condescending platitudes coming from both sides of the aisle.

Having worked the Ohio Primary Election polls I can tell you things don’t look promising. We had an abysmal turnout of 20%, those wishing to vote “Independent” were classified by the software as “Non-partisan” and were relegated to voting for Issues only!
Even at that, Santorum polled very close to Romney as he did in MI and several other states though the MSM continues to back Romney.
We’re a long way from reform from top to bottom or bottom to top – IMO it will take to “grace of God” to reform this country first with an informed voter and secondly with integrity in each Congressman and woman.

Well said Dave. May I also suggest that the disdainful, inflammatory and demonizing rhetoric coming from Obama surrogates will be endless? Clearly, only an informed person CAN with-stand the disingenuous rhetoric coming from the LEFT.

Some relevant words from someone who endured this:

http://orthodoxnet.com/blog/2011/07/men-have-forgotten-god-alexander-solzhenitsyn/

“It reminds me of a democrat beating his head against a wall because they are out of ideas”

LOL! whatever blows your dress up! have you been keeping current the last 5 years?