Those are the ones who are fond of screaming, “This is the 21st Century!” (as though immorality has evolved into their form of morality.

Both Limbaugh and Breitbart lied on more than one occasion and created a firestorm and are hardly decent good ‘ol boy Americans. Since the KKK was mentioned by The Big Easy then I will put them all in the same category and maybe that word douche wasn’t so inappropriate after all or even “puke”. .

Lamentably, Eric IS serious.

Chalk him up as one who will never run the risk of being called a person with a conscience. He’s a dyed-in-the-wool seditionist and advocate of the Josef Goebbals school of Big Lies.

His arguments fail on just about every count, but that doesn’t stop him from hoping that he might find one in a million to subscribe to his anti-American, anti-Capitalist screeds a la Zinn, Chomsky, Marx and Alinsky.

All too typical of the communist agenda, he will NEVER come out and admit that he is indeed a communist and statist.

…and Eric, don’t even CONSIDER telling me that what I’ve posted is “propaganda” or sweeping generalizations. A plethora of facts and figures backs up my assertions. You’ve seen them too, but you don’t have the courage to acknowledge them.

Its called EUGENICS

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

A “Margaret Sanger” favorite for sure!

As is playgirl, the New York firemens calendar, and several other womens publications!!! It goes BOTH ways eddie!!!

“How will women know any different?”??? Good grief! Are you claiming that women are pawns without intellect?

karolyn,
I think your idiotic sense of religeon and what God is is goofy er than heck and you need to change the way you think!!! There, karolyn, did you like that??? that is the same thing you just told the Catholic church of their beliefs!! From now on, EVERY time I read a post from you about what you believe, I’m going to post something like that. You OBVIOUSLY think it is alright if YOU do it!!!

Perhaps you will eventually comprehend that it’s not anyone else’s responsibility to pay for her libido. Insurance costs are high for all of us without adding that cost.

To Karolyn:
We are wasting our time and our efforts on GW and some others of these men who appear to think that if Georgetown provides health insurance which covers birth control for women that somehow the American taxpayer will be paying for it. They seem to think that every time a woman has sex she pops a pill to prevent contraception. They do not understand that birth control treatment covers many female reproductive problems. For some reason, they have Rushed to judgement on this young woman, and since they can read minds, evidence, logic, information and compassion seem to go zipping over their heads. When all else fails some resort to name-calling. I leave them to rail on.

Shirley and Karolyn don’t seem to understand that the Catholic Church nor any other Church should not be required to pay for something to allow Fluke, Shirley,Karolyn or any one else to screw around! Fluke was sent there by Obama to attack the catholic church for turning [ at last ] on him and to distract us from $5.00 gas and other problems!
Fluke also knew about them not paying for what wants long before she enrolled there, she was there to do Obama’s nasty work for him! Everyone should be allowed help with medication needed for a real Medical problem, with proof from a real doctor that it is needed for a real medical problem and not for birth control and not by a government appointed person or any one who hates Christian Churches as Obama does!
Again Shirley, Karolyn if you and your kind of thinkers want to play and the guys you play with wont buy their own then buy them for them or find someone else to play with, can’t you at least be that smart???

Karen H – extreme lib left says:”bsfurg—maaaaaybe because Palin iIS a coniving, c— ”

Yep, she certainly has proved to us by her fine example what kind of mouths the libs have…..

Hey Karen, do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Just because Sarah is not an evil, mean-spirited, man-hating, feminist-douche, like you, should not be cause for such name-calling! I know i know, i’m mean spirited, i’m a bully, boo hoo hoo, mommy, they’re calling me names again, and i don’t know why….waaaaaaa….waaaa….

Jay – I’m still shocked – I’ve not seen even the tackiest male use that word on this site to date. and a “genteel” leftist lib tosses it out of her potty mouth so easily it must be part of her foul uncouth sleazy regular verbage.. how filthy of her.

Libertytrain,
THIS is why I don’t think karen is over twenty five!!! she uses certain vernaculars that a lady od just under 60 years old would not consider using!!!

It’s easy to avoid pregnancy———and all without the funding of the taxpayer.

Ye gods, I get it. K, you are one of those poor souls who will do ANYTHING to prove that you “care.” You wlll do anything or say anything to prove to someone (somewhere) that guilt and politics trump common sense. In the process, all you do is prove that you can be manipulated and that you can be your own worst enemy.
K, the polite word for such people is “lemming.” Would you have the human race devolve to “prove” that people “care” about each other? You are infrickingcredible, K. Get help. Now, while help is available, and the mental patients aren’t in charge of the hospital – yet.

Karolyn, it is not a women’s health issue any more than it is a man’s health issue. It takes two to tango. Quit trying to make it be about something it isn’t. It’s about forcing other people to pay for something that isn’t even medically necessary. I have a chronic illness called Rheumatoid Arthritis. I don’t get any help from anyone to pay for my meds. I think that’s kind of unfair, don’t you? If people want to have sex, and I’m sure they do, then they need to figure out whether they want to catch a disease or have a baby. If they can’t do that, then perhaps they shouldn’t have sex. But either way it’s their responsibility, not mine.

Karolyn,
In Detail, please explain to all of we poor unseeing, uncaring people what the “WOMENS HEALTH ISSUE” is. It has been destroying women for eons presumedly – correct? No, having a baby isn’t a disease or then again, will it be slated as such in the not so distant future? Can you explain that one please – I’m overly concerned.

ANYTHING that has to do with the condition of one’s body is a health issue! What is not understandable about that??

You refuse to open your eyes Karolyn, such a shame.

Right back at’cha, Sirian.

On thing for certain SC Doesn’t Care and never has and hopefully she put herself out with the morning garbage. SC is always the one with the ravaged mind and would need a whole ward to herself at the local Institution.

Of ALL the people here, eddie, I find that very RICH comming from YOU eddie!!!! MAN!!! Are you ever lame!!!

Maybe you could share a ward with her Joe!

Nah, eddie!!! I wouldn’t take a chance of being THAT close to YOU any more than sc would!!!

And eddie has just admitted he was a virgin at marriage!!! I CAN believe it, though!!! He kinda reminds me of that movie the 40 year old virgin.

Did NDAA go into effect March 1, then Mr. B dies, just b4 exposing Obama…whats the chance?

Now the vids are not being released,,,as planned.

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

Oh sure it all seems very suspicious. NDAA going into effect and then Brietbart dying – it most certainly does open a suspicion level well worthy of it. But until results of the autopsy come in (facts man, just the facts) we won’t know for sure as to how he died. So, sit tight FF, those vids will, one way or another, finally come out and it’s not going to be overly helpful to Obummer. THANK GOD!

Sirian,
the problem is, will the tapes come out before or AFTER Odumberer is out of office???

Nobody said it Eddie, but we do have our suspicions.

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

Can youi seriouisly believe the truth will be published about his autopsy?

Every dangerous pharmaceutical carries the “one-size-fits-all” statement that the doctor considers the benefits outweight the side effects. They all get a kickback from every Rx they write. Getting you hooked on one of them requires that they get you hooked on another and another to try to offset the harm done by the previous ones. However, the issue remains the same: It’s not the taxpayer’s responsibility to foot the bill for the sexual encounters of anyone.,

I am convinced that all the toxins we put into our bodies are the culprits for all disease. Nearly all food comes with dyes that are from carmine/colchinil insects that causes ADHD and is being banned in Europe. Finally, our corrupt FDA is “investigating” it. All our produce is bathed in toxic chemicals. Our ground meat is washed with a toxic chemical to kill the E-coli (see Jamie Oliver, chef). Now some of the fast food chains have abandoned it. The issue is, however, that taxpayers should not be compelled to pay for others’ sexual encounters.

She’s working for Obama to distract us from $5.00 a gal. gas, blocking states from enforcing laws they passed that he does not like and will block all the illegals we will have to support and who along with so many Muslims will vote for him again and it also is meant to distract us from the secret gun running he allowed Eric Holder on his orders so he can soon take guns from all honest citizens so only Muslim,illegals and other assorted criminals will have guns! Back to the Fluke woman, she knew the schools policy long before Obama sent her there to force the catholic church give up it’s beliefs in favor of his as most rulers do! It’s a shame he does not know the difference between Presidents and RULERS!

Just another disgusting pig to add to the list! You guys sound like you were born in the 1800s! Of course, I had heard that that was the way men talk when they get together – just never gave it much thought.

castaway….i AGREE WITH YOU ! Rush was right in what he said ! This girl wants to do the “deed”, her and only her should pay for it ! I love jewlery, I go crazy when I can’t get the ring or necklace I want..(.and have to take my medication) but hey if I could get someone to pay for the ring or necklace, I wouldn’t have to take my medication ?!?!?!

If Castaway has known alot of woman in his time then wouldn’t he then be the slut? Why is there such a gender difference in labeling people and why do men get a free ride when they whore around.

Eddie 47d, We had nothing to say about the difference between men’s needs and women’s decency, it was put into nature, even animals have the same approch, they grab it any where they can get it, it’s up to the female to keep here dignity, the male has no dignity to protect I guess, we were all made that way since the beginning of time and there was a reason for that, it’s up to the female to keep nature in line mostly! Right? Since women have become so loose this is what has happened.

So you probably think the muslims have it right. Cover up the women from head to toe becuse men are savage animals who are not expected to use self-restraint. Stone any woman who is sexually assaulted. After all, she has dishonored her fathers and brothers, who can do whatever the hell they want.

One question: How can you claim such hatred for muslims when you share so many of their views?

So, M.M. you’re saying that men have no self control? That God made them to grab what they want without thought? I can’t believe you are a woman! That sure does sound like the Muslim philosophy to me!

OMG! I GET IT! I am just po’d at all the disgusting filth going around about her – OR ANY WOMAN for that matter! You may have seen that I work for a domestic and sexual assault organization. Working on the sexual assault side, I have done quite a bit of study over the past year and a half. This type of talk only serves to help keep our country on top of the list of crimes against women. I look at the bigger picture – the lack of respect for women in general that goes on. Just look at what was thrown my way because I voiced an opinion. THAT is why the rape rate is so high in this country. Women are still objectified and at the lower rung of the ladder in this man’s world.

K has to perform double duty today because edduh has Saturday “jug” again. LMAO.

That is the problem Karolyn, you “work for a domestic and sexual assault organization”. This is why you have developed such a very narrow point of view in relation to this. It is understandable as to why it may seem as such a prominent issue to you but to not step out of the box, stand back and look at the whole picture, not just one sliver of it, you will never see what’s actually being done. You won’t see how they are twisting this and that to their advantage – this girl just happens to be nothing more than that. Until you step out of your box and look at it from a distance you’ll never see what’s being pulled on not only you but millions upon millions more.

Sirian – The opinions I hold I have had for a long time, and I do step back and look at the big picture, which even strengthens my views. Working in the fiels has only opened up my eyes to ever more of the big picture.

Didn’t Rush “twist it to his agenda”? Didn’t you Sirian in attempting to side with potty mouth Rush?

Your mention of “every pre-planned word” reminds me of the Liberals use of dumpster-diving bimbos that they paid off to smear Hearman Cain. Liberals ate that malarkey up as much as they did when the same tactics were used against Palin. It makes me wonder if this gal was pre-paid to stand against Cain and had to be used in some other manner after he suspended his run for office. I wonder how much of a bargain her appearance for free condoms, etc., was?

eddie47,
Re-read what I said. As soon as you can see the point I made instead of jumping on a minor notation of Rush, used as an example only, then we’ll discuss this. I was not twisting anything to Rush’s “agenda”. Truth is an agenda? Again, read it once more and try to put a touch of thought to it.

Marlene,
You’re right – it doesn’t take much “malarkey” tossed out before the liberals flip into a feeding frenzy. Just like sharks, they go totally berserk and will stop at nothing to get their share of the prize if there’s any counter thoughts, statements made to what they’ve done.

That is apparently how Tom likes his women! Willing and ready!

You have stated it quite well. And by doing so, our Rulers make all receivers their subjects.

Karolyn, your mindset is what’s wrong with our country.

Mark – If more people had my mindset, there would be no war and everybody would get along.

Like I said BLOND ROOTS, I feel sorry for Ron Paul……………..

Stop prevaricating Karolyn, by your posts it appears that you do not or would not get along with the majority of the posters be they male or female, Libertarian or Conservative or Christian or Jew.

Nadzieja – Well, I doubt I would get along with you, even though I have been known through my whole life as the person who gets along with everybody.

…Jesus prayed to His Father, NOT some she or it, you just don’t get it do you? take your PC and shove it up your sorry a@@.

If you started keeping track, there are a LOT of people here that are sick of your spewing, off track mind set.

But, please continue to opinionate us to death…..

Well it sure is refreshing to know it’s not just me.

God is a he. His name is in the masculine in the Hebrew text, as it also is in the New Testament Greek. As it was also in the Latin, which was translated from the Hebrew and the Greek. God is a he in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

Alex – Depends on one’s concept of God.

T.E. – How very Christian of you. I respect your beliefs. Why can’t you respect others’?

Hey K. give it up trying to convince everyone that you are in control, you have put a label on yourself as a very very liberal and it is clear you are a Obozo lever. Get a life.

Buck, I think you meant “lover” not “lever” but lever works too cause she is trying to “lever” her viewpoint into our beliefs by force.

No K, if we’re talking about the God, as spoken of in the Bible and the Koran, it’s a he. No one is entitled to an opinion. HE is called a he.

If you have some other god in mind, then make it known. The Jewish, Christian, Islamic God is a male in every sense of the word. Even had a couple of wives.

Alex, My concept of God is a Universal Intelligence that we are all a part of and has no specific delineation. It is not the God of the Bible, although there are those whose translation/interpretation would lend itself to the view I hold.

Once again, Karolyn, we agree: “… a Universal Intelligence that we are all a part of and has no specific delineation. It is not the God of any “man-made” religion, although there are those whose translation/interpretation would lend itself to the view I hold”.

How arrogant to assume that God would be limited to one gender or the other. I cannot think of a more appropriate definition than “a Universal Intelligence”. Not just in a planetary sense (though I believe that is true as well), but in an sense that incorporates all matter: organic and non, living and dead, future and past. OH EXCEPT only if he’s male?

Laughable.

Karolyn evidently doesn’t realize that most Muslims are taught to hate anyone who is not a Muslim from infancy.

Warrior, NONE difference.

God bless Tea Partiers and Newt!

I’m waiting Alondra … I’ll accept any intelligent statement, any proof of the crap you’ve been spewing.

“What can be said DOC We have Americans who want to kill all the Muslims in America and even around the world.”

Proof eddie. Give us some specific proof or links proving your statement.

It’s said on this site each and every week Opal. Please pay attention!

Since I have never read a comment that said “kill all muslims” and you will not post proof of your claim it is logical to conclude that “fact” like the rest of your “facts” exist only in your imagination.

A man after my own heart!

Yes, eddie, he’s got one just like you! the difference is, his isn’t rotted and decayed like yours!!!

Your a sick puppy Joe H.

no, eddie, not sick, just returning what I’ve gotten from YOU over the last tw0o years!!

Ronald,
You are disgusting! Because I disagree with you, you resort to name calling and suggesting that I am morally loose and not a Christian. You do not know me and I am not the topic of discussion. However, discussion is over with me. I will not take your low road. Your paranoia and closed mindedness have apparently rendered you incapable of having a rational discussion.

Dear Shirley,

Just so you know; several other comments by RRJ directed at you and Karolyn were deleted, and his comments now automatically go to moderation where they are screened before being posted.

Best wishes,
Bob

Bob,
Thank you!
Shirley

Karolyn, YOU are the hypocrite here. instead of keeping her skanky legs closed or just getting free condoms from one of the many outlets there are for them, fascists like YOU want us to flip the bill for her disgusting promiscuity. that is YOU forcing yr ignorant beliefs on US AND making US pay for it to boot!

Uh, I do beleive ms.puke threw the “morality” door wide open for everyone to see!

It astounds me that America has reached a stage whereas the “progressives” would convince a “prop” to testify before congress that she and her peers had difficult times paying for contraceptives at a $60K/yr cost of tuition institution. The country is faced with over $16 tril in debt and this is the diversion issue the “progressives” want to bring to the forefront?

Every “progressive” running for reelection this year must be identified and rejected by the voters. The frickin house is burning down and they’re out shopping for new drapes.

Warrior, I like the way you think!

No Karolyn, I am a protestant, healthy fun loving old woman that has lived a very good life, I minded my own business and never bothered anyone, I have a lot of friends and was always decent and loved doing things for people. I do not push my life on anyone, I’m not a muslin, I was born a white America and have always lived by Gods word and abided by the constitution so don’t put me into the same box with Obama, wouldn’t change my life for anything, and I have NOTHINg to ever be ashamed of in my past, so there your the one that acts like a loose loon-a tick!

You are wrong about the Muslim philosopy. Under Sharia law, she would be executed in short order, based on her testimony before Congress.

If you could, you’d be a lot sicker puppy than you already are! The suggestion was enough to make me go lose my breakfast!!! Thanks mark, at least you’re honest!

Mark, are you calling K’s “BLUFF”? I can’t tell!

Mark,
up on the other thread, under natural health, they have a natural cure for that weak stomach!!! HAHA!!!

And creatures like you give your spicies a bad name!!!

Eddie, would you be proud of this young woman making a spectacle of herself before Congress about her sex life, if she were your daughter? Obama believes that any parent should be proud of a daughter like her. I wonder if he would feel the same about his kids.

That depends in how she would present herself but I wouldn’t encourage her to be too bold about it. Stand up for her rights but don’t be too explicit. My daughter has two wonderful children so she wouldn’t be into sex out of marriage or any other relationship before marriage.

I have the solution! I have seen the light! If the problem is all these women having one baby after another and expecting you to help pay for their care, which you certainly don’t want to do. Why not support birth control for all women who want it? Then there would be no little ‘welfare’ babies ‘on the dole’ AND no need for abortions. Birth control is cheaper than the cost of all of these unwanted children. Now that problem is solved!

You know, you’re a real creep. I guess you didn’t watch the whole video, because part of it was about Obama’s apology. You’re turning this discussion into a creey, disgusting display of your perversity.

Yeah, karolyn, he appologizes and what, six men die??? Yeah, I guess it could have been worse. Try telling those men’s families that!!! He should just pull all our troops out of afghanistan and let them fight it out to the bloody END!!! Same with iran, Let Isreal blow them away and MIND OUR OWN BUSINESS!!!!

I have to agree Mad Dog. They were books, not lives. There are other copies. It was an “accident.”

If their response was to kill people, we should have mowed them down, twenty Afgans for every American they killed. The tactic has worked many times over the centuries, most notably by the Nazis.

I read in an article on NewsMax yesterday that the korans in question (5 I think)had already been defaced by the prisoners and that was why they had been collected. They were put in an office and mistakenly picked up as trash to be burned.

In another article, I read where one of their own Imams said that writting in the koran is blasphemy and the book is desecrated. He also said that one of the prescribed ways of disposing o the desecrated book is to BURN it!!! He appologised for doing the prescribed thing and as at least a former muslim, HE KNEW IT!!! For Gods sake, he studied at a muslim school for a number of years, he knows the proper procedures!!! It’s all an act with him!!!

I agree with Mad Dog. The Korans (Q’uran) had been defaced by the detainees writng in them, something a Muslim is not supposed to do. The proper treatment for a Koran that has been defaced is to burn it. So this whole thing is a set-up. Muslims get inflamed when a non-Muslim does anything that they consider offensive. Yet they behead people, burn down churches with Christian worsipers inside ,do Christians act this way? No!

KHM is right. We are fighting a loosing battle (well actually a loosing war). Our foreign policies in the Middle East (and many other parts of the world) have been failing for decades and costing us billions of dollars and thousands of lives.

Throughout history, the rules, tactics and science of war have constantly changed. This happened during our Revolutionary War – which worked to our benefit and enabled us to defeat the British. It happened again during WWII with the advent of nuclear bombs. Again it worked to our advantage and we were able to defeat the Japanese. Well cultures, rules, technology and economics have continued to change. But we are still fighting pretty much the same way; and we naively expect our enemies to do the same. Guess what? It’s failing.

Ron Paul knows this and he’s desperately trying to get us to stop the insanity: Stop doing the same thing and expecting different results. Stop financing tomorrows enemies and terrorists. Stop financing the enemies of our ally, Israel (for every dollar we give Israel – we give $7 to their sworn enemies). Smart huh?

Iran would love for us to get our panties up in a bunch about them “getting the bomb”. Right!! Does anyone really think that Iran would nuke Israel – which would also take out Palestine, Jordan and Lebanon. Syria and Iraq would also be directly affected. Depending on prevailing winds – Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Kuwait and even IRAN would suffer significantly from radioactive fallout. Furthermore, the entire world would condemn Iran for this aggression.

But while we’re looking the other way – chasing their red herring – I guarantee you that they have another tactic far more effective and less damaging to other Muslim countries. Lately, we have been having great success with Drone attacks. It’s really pissing the Muslims off. Drones are relatively inexpensive. Can be operated remotely. Incredibly accurate. And generally more accepted by the rest of the world. Did I mention that they recently captured one of our Stealth Drones? Did I mention that I could build a drone in my garage – with stuff from Ace and Radio Shack – that could attack with accuracy a target hundreds of miles away. Don’t you think Muslim terrorists would love to bomb us and Israel without blowing themselves up at the same time (despite the 99 virgin thing)?

Both the US and Israel have anti-ballistic capabilities to neutralize any nuclear rockets from Iran. But we don’t have anything that would intercept and neutralize 20 Drones packed with any number of deadly toxic gases. Once again, we’ve misdiagnosed the problem: Nukes in Iran is but a symptom – it is not the problem. Burning Q’urans is but a symptom. Executing Christian Ministers in Iran is but a symptom. Kidnapping US Ambassadors in Egypt is but a symptom.

We need a President that can not only identify, but can begin to address the actual problems.

She’s never been right about anything Cobrajohn!!!

Hebrews 10:31 (KJV)
“It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

So, if this woman wants to have random sex without paying the piper, why doesn’t she have her doctor prescribe a hysterectomy? Last I heard, insurance companies pay for the one that a doctor recommends and have as far back as 1963 when my tubes ruptured and I had to have one to save my life. With a total hysterctomy, she can pursue all the sex she wants and have a career in law without the baggage of raising a child and it wouldn’t cost the taxpayers or Georgetown a penny. All she pays is for her premium and insurance co-pay. The benifit to her is that she can be a free-wheeling attorney without being labeled a ‘slut’.

I might have some Koran toilet paper made up so I can wipe my butt with it.

I also plan to print up some Constitution toilet paper and send a roll to every US Senator and House Representative, along with a note letting them know that now they really can wipe their butts with our Constitution. I’ll have them wrapped with the “United States Government” brand name on the packaging.

Obama can’t stay off his knees for one reason or another. And he’s always on his knees to some Muslim government and as to worth his salt, the bum is not worth two cent wiping paper but twice as worthless!

“I don’t understand the premise of having the college pay for it, though. My point is why should this girl be attacked for having safe sex?”

here’s the premise: Obama wants all businesses to supply ‘contraceptives’. Fluke want georgetown to supply ‘contraceptives’. pelosi is using the issue ‘contraceptives’ politically as a woman’s right issue.

we, the thinking class, don’t care how much, how often or with whom Fluke has sex. I don’t care if she has it with her dog.

the point is here: she, and she only, should pay for it! Not the school, not the tax payer. You see, dear lady, by forcing the school to pay, tuition goes up for everyone so Fluke can get her sexual fix. That means, someone, not having sex, trying to work hard and graduate, has to subsidize Fluke and her sexual activities.

get it?

Here’s another example: if I have an eating disorder and consume vast quantities of pizza, say $3000/yr, would I then request/demand the school/taxpayer to pay?

where does it stop?

marc – The point is contraceptives should be included in the pharmaceuticals covered by insurance prescription drug plans. It probably wouldn’t even cost more to have it in the plan. I’m surprised it’s not in all plans. Maybe it is and certain organizations like the Church keep it out? Birth control is an important women’s health issue. Also, there are many women who are prescribed birth control pills for other health issues.

The university in question happens to be founded on something called religion. This would be like going to BYU, signing their dress code about acceptable attire, and then attending class in tank tops and short shorts. You would be in violation of the dress code and possibly suspended/expelled. Accept she isn’t attending the “Y” and as far as I know they aren’t suspending her for her activities. They don’t go as far as “Y”, but then the “Y” does have students sign a document agreeing to certain restrictions in their dress and behavior with written statements that violations can potentially result in expulsion. In her case, the school simply does not cover those certain services on their medical plan. As others have pointed out, she can get the services elsewhere with her own dime and nickel. This isn’t about equality. This is about forcing a religion to violate their own moral code.

In fact, from what I read, someone claims to have found evidence that she actually chose this university specifically to cause this conflict. That she had studied their policy upfront and chose this school just so she could oppose their stand on covering contraceptives….

If it was up to Karlolyn mark, it would never stop! It always amazes me how generous some people can be with oter peoples money!!!

Karolyn You are right on being for Ron Paul. He has the best deal in the country. He wants to abolish the Income tax and the I.R.S. and replace it with nothing. At one time in America we had no income tax. The government financed itself with small tariffs on imports comming into the country. He intends to abolish the Unconstitutional Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and give Congress the control of our nation’s money. The Federal Reserve brought on the great depression of the 1930s by writing 25 per cent of our money out of existence with the stroke of a pen! Dr. Paul wants to bring all of our troops home now from Iraq and Afghistan and stop being the world’s policeman and protect our own borders. Ron Paul wants to downsize the government, and stop government spending. Dr. Paul is pro-life pro-freedom, and pro-Constitution. The U.S. Constitution is the mandate of the people. I veiw Mitt Romney, Newit Gingrich, and Rick Santorum as status quo candidates. The don’t intend to change anything for the better. What most people don’t seem to realise that Gingrich is a member of David Rockefeller’s Council Of Foreign Relations a one world govt. via the United Nations. I don’t understand why the American people don’t see quality when they see it, and Ron Paul has that quality! I want Ron Paul to be our next president in 2012.

karolyn,
I hope you truly mean that as it is the only post from you I agree with!!!

(OFFENSIVE WORDS REMOVED)- birth control (as birth control) is NOT a women’s health issue it is BIRTH CONTROL!! Dumb! There are legitimate medical uses of the medication (just like there are for cocaine and Vicodan). Birth control pills, when not used for various health-related issues (bleeding problems, irregularity, etc., etc.) actually CAUSE women’s health issues- a higher rate of ovarian cancer is just one of them! (OFFENSIVE WORDS REMOVED) why don’t you stop running your dumb mouth. The only intelligent thing you said was about Ron Paul.

Mr. Shepherd:

Your comments put you in the same category as Rush Limbaugh! I doubt that you know the woman that you are calling offensive names and I KNOW that you should not call her offensive names as you did. You CAN disagree with her but not in this manner. Your name calling should be censored and you should be banned from this site. Shame on you!

Agreed!

Hey mrbobl7388, that’s some deep conspiracy type thinkin’ there! I LIKE IT!!!

Yeah, and our politicians keep screaming about making other countries “democratic.” Hog Wash!

I thought you were talkin’ about Mitt at first there Butch!

Yes, Butch, vote for Ron Paul (the only real fiscal conservative running) and then pray to God that it’s not too late. We had a chance in 2008 to avoid an extra 3-4 trillion dollars in additional debt; we could have already been on our way to TRUE recovery. But we blew it. Please, let’s not blow it again.

Paul never was and is not conservative. He is despicable and dishonest old heck racist and unscrupulous hypocrite!

Newt 2012!!!

Alondra, most people think that the most important issue in the 2012 elections is the economy, our debt and the federal budget. Surely, you’re not going to say that Ron Paul isn’t the most fiscally conservative of all the candidates – are you?

You posted: “Paul never was and is not conservative. He is despicable and dishonest old heck racist and unscrupulous hypocrite! Newt 2012″.

I must respectfully ask you to at least explain WHY you would say this? In fact, you really should provide us all with some fairly credible evidence. I’ll tell you what: you do this for me, and I’ll do the same for you.

@ Alondra – Yesterday as asked you to defend your very inappropriate, very ignorant statements about Ron Paul. As I suspected, you’ve been silent.

Like so many ignorant liberals, you have no idea what conservatism is, nor would recognize an honest, quality statesman if he was sitting right in front of you. I cannot understand how you can be so blind to truth, so ignorant of common sense, and so anxious to demonstrate these short-comings to everyone reading this thread.

Agreed. Ron Paul is the only one who is expressing an interest in, and cherishing, our freedoms and liberty. The other politicians cherish the illegals, welfare dogs, and terrorists.

Hey FF, she might be livin’ close to Quantico, ya never know!

gee no one paid for my condoms

Just like a liberal: Her right to have sexual pleasure trumps my right to keep the money that I earn (taxes).

He attacks Tom Brokaw as a Liberal Mouthpiece when Tom is one of the most respected journalist in America. Remember his Greatest Generations. Yet nary a peep about the trash coming out of Rush Limbaugh’s mouth..piece. Honest,fair,decent? Fat chance folks!

The facts are Fluke did not ask for birth contril pills-she wanted to tell the story of a women in her class at Georgetown. The women needed bith control pills for her ovarian cancer-nothing to do with sex-duh. Also, the best part is the women is a lesbian. So why do you not research and find out the truth before you shoot of your mouth.

Common Mary we all know it was a political ploy, to get others to pay for Eugenics. If you want to buy the lesbo pills for the next 10 years you can, cost you about 3k.

Cant you find it in your liberal heart to give? All the mechanisms are in place, you liberals give Obama 1 billion for re-election, yet you cant give a tiny amount for the poor lesbian. You want the rest of us to pay for birth control for millions upon millions of women — striaght up EUGENICS.

Liberals wrap themselves in do-gooder robes, to hide the evil intent.

shame shame shame

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

eddie47d said:

” He attacks Tom Brokaw as a Liberal Mouthpiece when Tom is one of the most respected journalist in America. Remember his Greatest Generations. Yet nary a peep about the trash coming out of Rush Limbaugh’s mouth..piece. Honest,fair,decent? Fat chance folks!”

Seriously eddie – Brokaw and his “Greatest Generations” !! Did you really swallow all that propaganda. Do you know nothing of the last 50+ years? Are you aware of the economic turmoil we are in? The unimaginable debt we are in? The economic devastation we have inflicted on the rest of the world by going off the gold standard in ’73? Are you unaware of the Progressive movement’s degenerative plans that are epitomized by YOUR “Greatest Generation”. Please, eddie, get in touch with the Leftist Media and wake up to the mouth-piece that Brokaw was. I’m not saying he was a bad man — he was just a liberal, doing his media-deceptive job … making a dishonest buck!

One pill lasts for quite awhile. You don’t have to take it each time you engage in sexual activity. It’s not in anyway like a condom. Women working in high crime areas use the pill to prevent pregnancy should they be raped. Wives use if to prevent pregnancy as do women who are engaged. You don’t have to be a “slut” to use it. The pills are expensive.
Neither Ben, nor Limbaugh, seem to know much about how the pill actually works or that its main users are married couples.

excuse us? The ‘girl’ is the only one involved here? Involved with what? You use the word ‘dirty’ – regarding someone’s sex life? Really? Your furious dismissal and disrespect for women flies off the page, sir. Change your attitude, and clean up your language.
Have a good day

Kathleen Walsh says, “excuse us? The ‘girl’ is the only one involved here? Involved with what?”

Things would be better in this country if the women asked the same question when they are considering abortion.

Do they still have the Home for Unwed Mothers?

Perhaps I could get the Feds to fund a Home for Unwed Fathers…just sayin’

Vigilant & Mary: WHERE…can you get FREE viagra? or the government to pay for them?

sesame,
The last time i saw birth control pills, the were in a package and the woman had to take them on a 28 day cycle!! True, they don’t have to take them each time they engage, they do, however take them on a daily basis!!

If this woman was more responsible and waited till she was amrried, then she wouldn’t have any need for the BCP. Practice abstaining till marriage. It is the only true safe sex. I will not pay for something that is not required for health or life. If Obama bin Laden makes it so everyone has to pay for birth control, rubbers, etc., as is said by the government, this is a violation of the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. You know, the one that says the government cannot make you buy or pay into anything. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

It’s all part of closed door chamber meetings 101!

You know them Catholic girls are hot!!! When Billy Joel wrote in the song “Only The Good Die Young” that Catholic girls start much too late, I knew that he either didn’t know what he was talkin’ about or at least didn’t grow up in the same neighborhood as I did! Those Catholic girls will wear you out!!!

TomW — I am 85 years old and have been a Catholic all my life! You apparently knew a different bunch of Catholic girls than I did. The ones that I knew were aware that Saturday night was Confesssion night!!!

WOW! Mark Hammer—you would make your mother proud with the vile garbage you spewed about spreading her legs. This is all to often what the righties do—they spout but don’t deal with the FACTS. What part of FACTS don’t you get…oh, all of it by the sound of things. Seems to me that YOU are the PIG here….not the girl. Just sayin’

Karen H, I’ve reached my limit. I’ve read about a dozen of your posts and they all say one thing (Paraphrased):
“… This is all to often what the righties do—they spout but don’t deal with the FACTS. What part of FACTS don’t you get…oh, all of it by the sound of things. Seems to me that YOU are the PIG here….”

Karen, you’ve not stated any facts. You’ve posted nothing but insults and name calling. You are – in fact – very hypocritical. I don’t mind that you’re a liberal. I don’t mind that we disagree. As Karolyn has pointed out repeatedly, that’s how we learn, that’s how we teach, that’s how we grow. But Karen, what I cannot abide is a Hypocrite.

Please read any one of the dozen posts that I (Mad Dog) have made and tell me that this “Rightie” does deal with FACTS. I run facts past you all night long.

Now you done it, Mad Dog!!! NOW you ran another libbie off the site using the “F” word!!! You know, FACTS!!! Fooled ya????

… well Joe, that wasn’t my intent, but I fear you may be right. My intent was to mutually benefit from the “L” word ….

…. Learn

No wonder you’re a Blue Devil!

Tom W — Google up Blue Devils

Blue Devil,
wickliffe???

Dude, you are disgusting and totally disrespectful of women. Please tell me your comment was posted for shock value, and to evoke an angry response. You obviously don’t know how birth control work. Go talk to a female in your church or family , they will explain.

You are right about one thing Mark Hammer, that’s the responsibility part. The libs are always screaming about choice, but never believe in responsibility. They don ‘t possess the mental capacity to understand. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Was it 3K for the year or her whole education? Surely not a year! My God girl!!! When did you have any time for school?!

The world of reality has so many problems, so it is understandable that some people want to escape to a different world of wonderland, where you can talk lofty talk and forget about ugly realities like costs and repercussions. The world of reality is not nearly as lovely as the world of Liberal Land. No wonder so many people want to go go and join Alice in wonderland..

Why is Cialis and Viagra covered? They are drugs that men get so the can get it—–

Got to agree with you, Mary. It’s like extolling the virtues of medical marijuana when we all know that the real aim is to make recreational drugs available.

With Viagra, they hide under this “erectile dysfunction” smokescreen to make that recreational drug acceptable. Judging by the sales figures, American men must be the most erectile dysfunctional animal on the planet.

Vig,
Here’s where you and I disagree. I know several guys with diabetes like myself who do suffer from disfunction. I don’t need it yet, YET, but I could down the line. The main difference here is, it IS a medical CONDITION, not a condition of wanting to party, party, party as with the girl mentioned here. if she wants to play, then let her pay!!

You got it right, I have been trying to say the same thing. But the reply just wasn’t there. Whatever you want to do with your body is your business. We might not agree with your life style but I would not try to stop you. I just don’t want to pay for your “pleasure”.

As for the condoms…..pay some kid in highschool to bring them to you.
They give them out free there.
-CC.

Joe H,

My apologies. I have no beef with you or anyone who has/will have a true medical condition. My comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, as I think any guy who wants to have the drug need only go to a doctor and tell him he’s got a problem.

Sales of the top three erectile medications have totaled $3 billion a year on average. I don’t know if that bears out my suspicion, but I think it does.

Vig,
I totally understand. There are any number of people that DON’T need the stuff and have made it hard on the ones that DO. Those I wouldn’t cross the road to give them a penny towards the cost. There are, however, a great number of men that DO need it. did you know, they are also working on a formula for WOMEN?

Who has said American taxpayers have to pay for it? Where is that coming from? The amount is over the course of law school, which is several years, right? I don’t know how much birth control pills cost, but it has to be close to $100, which would make it $1200 per year. The above poster said $850 for a year. Over the course of 4 years, that’s $3400. For the uninformed, birth control pills have to be taken throughout the month whether somebody’s having sex or not to keep the efficacy up.

I don’t understand the premise of having the college pay for it, though. My point is why should this girl be attacked for having safe sex?

Why don’t they change the law to read: For Married People Only And Not for Sluts!!!

it shouldn’t be a mandatory part of your insurance polocy Karlolyn! If she want’s to pay extra for insurance that would cover her promiscuity then so be it! It shouldn’t be required by law that every provider has to cover contraceptives so that everybody has to pay, might as well hand ‘em a blank check!!!

Now Delor, that wasn’t nice!

Well General Bull why didn’t you attack Tom W for having so much sex with all those Conservative Catholic girls. Apparently men can have all the sex they want and it’s a proud macho moment but when a woman has sex it’s still a slut moment. I reckon times haven’t changed much after all. Women still get pregnant and men still laugh it off as their price of “doing business” and then disappear out of her life. As you say the woman is the criminal and must “do the time”.

Karolyn is right. Just because she’s taking birth control, that doesn’t mean she’s having tons of promiscuous sex. I think it’s in bad taste to brand the woman that way. And even if she was, as a man I wasn’t exactly chaste during my twenties and thirties. The double standard is garbage in my opinion.

However, unless birth control is for health reasons, such a woman who suffers severe cramps, etc., who can be relieved of pain or other excessive symptoms, I don’t think anyone should be responsible for footing the bill. If you are wanting birth control, except for reasons mentioned, your objective is to have sex without having children. If you are seeking to have sex without having children, then your objective is to have sex for pleasure. No one should be responsible for providing you with guiltless, consequence-free sex. If you can’t afford birth control, then don’t have sex.

As someone else pointed out, this argument suggests that either the government (meaning the tax payer), or some other institution, should be legally obligated to provide me with box tickets and a five-star hotel room for the Kentucky Derby. Or perhaps season tickets to my favorite sports team. Because this argument is really about having pleasurable sex without any consequences.

I will say, on the other hand, that insurance companies are now required to provide viagra for men. The argument there was that it affected their quality of life. Last time I checked, getting a boner so I could get laid had nothing to do with the quality of my life. It’s fun getting busy with the wife. But if my Johnson no longer functioned, I would do something else with my free time. The only time having or not having an erection ever affected my quality of life was when I had one and had nowhere to put it.

Across the board I think this issue is crap. No one but the person having sex should be paying for contraception, viagra, or anything else. If you’re Lot and his daughters and you think you need to repopulate the human race, that’s one thing. But if you think it’s your right to have tax-payer funded college sex, I’m afraid I have to emphatically disagree with you.

eddie & Alex – Thanks for coming in and helping me get my point across. I was really getting beaten up this morning.

Alex, you have a great point about the viagra thing too and the medical reasons for birth control pills. I don’t know. Maybe I am wrong, but it still seems right for insurance companies to pay for a prescribed medication.

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karolyn,
sorry to have to tell you, but there is really no such animal as SAFE SEX!!! Sure, maybe she won’t get pregnant, but what is to prevent the spread of aids or other venerial diseases?? The Pill can fail, too! condoms can come off, tear, or be defective. even the ring is only 95% effective!

Women’s birth control is a prescription pill that she take on a prescribed cycle, whether or not she has sex. It is not like condom where you use one each session.Also the pill is prescribed for various medical conditions experienced by females besides birth control. You guys should do some research and educate yourself. Insurance is suppose to cover prescription, you cannot deny it on the grounds the prescription might be for birth control. When one takes an aspirin it, could be to lower the risk of a heart attack or to ease a throbbing headache. We don’t know. What if a religion believes that all pain should be treated by prayer. Does that mean that aspirin should never be covered by insurance. It applies to that religion only, not everyone.

Viagra I hear puts lead in the pencil, but what the heck has that got to do with birth control. I also hear viagra makes a “visible difference” to the user. So in its own way you could say it contributes to “unwanted” pregnancy. Lets face it. If you can’t get it up, you’ll not be needing birth control, now will you.I hear it (Viagra) is furnished to employees of GM (GovernmentMotors per UNION contract.

I don’t know what alternate universe you live in where you can get birth control pills even at WalMart for $5! I just did a web search and found one answer site that said the range is $15-$50, which surprises me. Of course, I don’t even use any kind of prescriptions, so my perception may be skewed. I’m going by what I’ve seen and heard about prescription costs.

My point here is that the girl should not be crucified as a slut because she has sex. Address the issue, not the person, and the issue is her asking for somebody else to pay for her contraception. The point of her testifying was to explain how important contraception is to women’s health.

At $15 per month for 12 months, that is only $180. Add that to what she is getting for student aid and you got quite a number!!

She is trying to get a job with the Obama government!!

It’s been a loooong time since you had to worry about those kinda things hasn’t it Karlolyn?!

Just trying to get a reply to Karolyn. How does contraceptives contribute to women’s health concerns? Surely does not pertain to this case. She is asking for someone else to pay for her promiscuity is she not? If she wants to have sex then have sex. Don’t expect someone else to pay for it though. The whole premise about Rush’s statement was not necessarily to call this young woman names, but to compare her to someone who gets paid for sex. She is asking us to pay her for having sex. Do the math Karolyn. If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck??….it is a duck. Men have to pay for their own contraceptives so why are women any different? If you are having “health concerns” to where you need to have contraceptive devices?….I think you should stop doing what it is you are doing to put yourself in harms way don’t you think? Unless you are saying that she runs the risk of getting pregnant without the contraceptives which would cause her to want to get an abortion since the thought of a child while in college would just ruin her chances of finishing. She gets an abortion which puts her at risk and labels her a murderer, but hey….at least she can continue on with school and continue to have sex with whoever. That is what this all about right? She is fully capable of paying for her own contraceptives and if she is not?….stop having sex until you are capable.

Karolyn what alternate universe do you reside in? Does that hair have blond roots? The bottom line is why should any taxpayer have to foot the bill for any form of birth control for those who want to have promiscuous sexual liaisons? My wife and I pay for our own and do not feel we should be forced to pay for yours. If you want to screw around then it is your responsibility not ours.

Nightlyonewolf; So a woman who gets an abortion is a murderer in your eyes then what is that “very nice gentleman” who gets her pregnant called? I see we still have plenty of folks who consider the woman loose and the man still rides away into the sunset stroking his conquests. Why do men feel they have to put women “in harms way” and then the burden falls on the woman? When are men going to stop having sex until they are responsible for their actions?

I’ll do you one better, Waldo (and I’m adding to your post, not disagreeing with it). My wife is fixed. We haven’t needed contraception in years. So why should we pay for someone else’s? They didn’t pay for her tubeligation. Neither did the government or a college. We did.

When we were in college my wife and I paid for our birth control ourselves. When we graduated and money was tight because we were just getting started we paid for it. When I was out of work for a time we found a way to pay for it. The whole time she was of child bearing age WE paid for our birth control. Our insurance didn’t pay for it, the government didn’t pay for it, some non profit agency didn’t pay for it WE paid for it. If we could manage to pay our own way concerning birth control even when money was very tight then this gal can find a way to pay for hers.

eddie says, “Nightlyonewolf; So a woman who gets an abortion is a murderer in your eyes then what is that “very nice gentleman” who gets her pregnant called?”

Make up your mind whether you’re pro-life or proc-hoice eddie. If you’re pro-choice then the man has nothing to say about whether or not she has an abortion. It’s not his body.

f you’re pro-life, go ahead and call both of them murderers if the male agreed.

Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Vigilant, we should first get the terms correct. Pro-Choice (in the context of abortion) is a misnomer: the life/body in question belongs to the unborn child who’s NEVER given a “choice” whether or not they wish to die. The term “Pro-Choice” would be much better suited for Euthanasia: That decision should indeed be yours, the choice to die with dignity, to pass without pain, and destroy no other lives in the process.

But Abortion is quite different. Abortion is the extermination of LIFE. By any scientific measure, the embryo or fetus IS a LIVING organism. It moves, ingests, digests, excretes and grows. By an scientific measure, the embryo or fetus is a HUMAN BEING. It’s DNA unmistakably identifies it as “human”, and in fact, as the offspring of both parents. Typically, its geographic location identifies it as a US citizen with inalienable rights to LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS.

If a perpetrator causes harm to the mother resulting in the death of the child, he WILL be charged and convicted of Manslaughter or even Murder in the 1st or 2nd (depending on circumstance). The courts of this land have established that the embryo or fetus IS a Human Life and the termination of that life is Crime. Sadly, the courts are unwilling to exercise consistent justice for ALL.

To answer your question, Vigilant, EVERYONE complicit with that crime should be guilty: Mom, Dad, Doctors, Nurses, etc. And to use your own statement, Vigilant, YOU CAN’T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

Mad Dog, you’re preaching to the choir. I agree with you 100%.

I was twisting eddie’s tail, and others here, who are wlling to find fault (rightly so) with the male part of the process, but then insist on excluding the male when decisions about abortion are made.

I’ve always seen the futility and obfuscation in arguments about when human life begins. It began thousands of years ago and CONTINUES through procreation. It never stopped. To claim it begins at conception is faulty. The sperm and egg are bothing living human protoplasm.

Sorry Vigilant, I misunderstood.

Just use the money(for contraception) that Maury gave you when you appeared on his show to find out who the baby daddy is.
That would be better than siphoning off of every other person in America.
-CC.

AMEN DOC!!!

Actually, Doc, your comment touches on a related issue. Because if the government tried to interfere with or regulate her sexual activities, there would be hell to pay.

I’ve been wondering where she finds all the sex partners. Take a close look at the ugly crone. Must be one of those “the bars closing now girls”?

She’s a lawyer Johnnylobo!!!

The shame about it is that Georgetown is a fine Catholic university and their law school is onre of the nation’s finest. She’s giving the school a PR blackeye!!!

Sorry to contradict you but no matter if certain type of women reach 40 or 60 they will remain Liberals/Socialists/Engel-Marxists. When women are raised by their mothers or female teachers without any input from their Fathers or males they never develop the thinking side of their brains.
Libertarian, Conservative, Ayn Rand, Mises, Hayek, Thomas Sowell, etc., type women are rare among women.

So Ms San Antonio Nadzieja thinks that girls that are brought up in Catholic girl Schools and taught by nuns turn out to be Marxists,Etc? What a riot. I wonder what Rush Limbaugh would call Ayn Rand in all her sexual escapades?

Nadzieja says: “When women are raised by their mothers or female teachers without any input from their Fathers or males they never develop the thinking side of their brains.”

Our resident psychologist speaks!

Karolyn, prove me wrong.

Nadzieja – A totally worthless post, since I can’t do that any more than you can prove your assertion right.

Hey Cobrajohn …Thats my favorite responsibility quote . Only Churchill said in his day …..”and if you are NOT a conservative by 30 …you have no brain . ”

Does that mean todays law student is 10 years “dummer” than the average citizen of our grandparents & great grandparents …..HMMMMM Food for thought isnt it .

If this gal spent more time on her studoes and less in the sack ….maybe she’d have been working at $200-400.00 per hour 6-8 years ago . Talk about “entitlement mentality ” . Pay your own way honey , just like we all have .

D’Loo, Churchill’s statement was once valid, but it no longer apllies.

There was once a rough correlation between physical and mental age. Nowadays, maturation (mentally) occurs at a much higher age. For progressives, it never happens.

Thanks Naddy, at least we know what happened to Karlolyn now!!!

Karlolyn, you’re living proof! I’ll bet that you were taught by female teachers for the most part!!!

SIC ‘EM MAD DOG!!! Get ‘em Boy!

If our Constitution does not allow socialized medicine, there is no reason why it should allow other forms of socialism, such as public schools, state universities, the post office, public libraries, the National Art Gallery, the national park system, or the interstate highway system. Or, does the Constitution allow some forms of socialism, but draw the line at socialized medicine? if so, where in the Constitution is there a mention of medicine, doctors, or health care?

As for our form of government being a republic, not a democracy: it is both, “republic” being a term used to describe a form of government that is not monarchical (rather than a form of government that is not democratic). The very term “republic” comes from the Latin “res publica” — the people’s business. And when Lincoln spoke of our form of government as being “of the people, by the people, and for the people” he appeared to be thinking of it a democracy — but perhaps he was another of those liberal vultures.

Jesse, based on your comment, I’m not sure you understand what socialism is. The Constitution grants congree power to make laws pursuant to the upholding of the Constitution. The preamble of the Constitution states the purpose of the document, that, among other things, it is to promote the general welfare of the United States.

An educated citizenry is to the benefit of the United States, and is therefore in the interest of our general welfare. Interstate highways are used by almost everyone who owns a vehicle, including you. They are clearly to the benefit of all United States citizens. The United States postal service, which actually operates for the most part on its own revenue, is also to the benefit of all American citizens, and is paid for through stamps and other metered postage and services. It doesn’t receive government funding, except as needed due to government regulations that force it to operate at a loss.

So in answer to your question, “where in the Constitution is there a mention of …,” the answer is the preamble.

The only question that then needs to be asked is whether the government’s interference in any particular thing is to the mutual advantage of everyone. They are authorized to see to the general welfare of the United States. If madated health care is destructive (which it is), then it is not necessarily in the public interest.

In short, not everything that’s “not in the Constitution” is really not in the Constitution. There are plenty of things that fall under the categories of common defense, justice, the general welfare, etc., that are not otherwise specifically mentioned. And it is the job of Congress to enact laws towards these ends.

Mad Dog is only partially right. The cost of health care went up because of private hospital costs and the increase in cost of private insurance. Can’t lay that on the Affordable Healthcare Act when all the national Insurance companies raised rates several years ago by 39-79%. Blue Cross was 59% in increases and before Obama was even elected. They also raised rates to please their stockholders where they made big profits while the patient got the bill for those steep increases. 5 years ago the CEO of United Healthcare walked away with a one billion 400 million dollar pension as if that doesn’t increase the cost of your hospital care. Then there is Big Pharma where they gouged the public in even higher numbers.That was Capital manipulation at its finest yet the public(you and me) bought into it and accepted it. I’m sure those who made money off the stock deals are giddy but not those receiving their medical bills.

Jesse & eddie – thanks for your posts, adult thoughts and lack of name calling. Jesse, I would encourage you to back up even further than Lincoln. Study not only the words within the Constitution but the intent of the Founders that crafted these documents. Their intentions have been well studied and documented in various collections of letters and biographies. Additionally, you go on to cite many other presumably “socialistic” programs that have been tied closely to our federal government. I would encourage you to re-examine each of them and decide for yourself if you think they’ve been successful? Do they continue to be successful? Could they have been more successful if conducted at the state or local level? Would we all not be better off if the federal government was significantly down-sized and a majority of the programs and services transitioned back to the states? It has been demonstrated multiple times that our taxes sent to the federal government are largely squandered; we are lucky if we get 20 cents worth of service or product for every $1 we pay in taxes. The ratio at the State levels is closer to 30-40 cents for every dollar. The more locally we collect money, manage and deliver services – the more bang we get for our buck.

So I stand by my position that the Federal Government should avoid ALL Socialist Programs whenever possible.

eddie47d is right. The problems with our Healthcare system LONG predates Obamacare. The problems began when we first introduced Healthcare Insurance into the Healthcare equation. 45 years ago, we were told that for HC Insurance to work – for actuarial numbers to justify the “premiums to claims” ratio – we needed to lock-in significantly large blocks of policy holders. We were told the only way to do this was through the employer. We were lied to. All other insurance industries have succeeded without ever being pushed by or locked into the employer. We relinquished HUGE personal freedoms when we agree to do that. And we began a process of a NON-competitive marketplace that put ZERO controls or checks & balances on the Insurance Provider. We made it more difficult for employees to change jobs, improve their status or start their own companies. We walked right into the pre-existing condition syndrome.

But then it got worse. Unlike every other successful insurance industry, HC Insurance was allowed to migrate further and further away from the basic premiss of Insurance: “Catastrophic Claims only”. If we modified Auto Insurance, or Fire Insurance, or Flood, or Life, etc. to be anything BUT Catastrophic – all of those industries would fail as well. We tried to make HC Insurance all about “Health Maintenance”. That sounds good … Health maintenance is good – right? Everybody should adhere to Health Maintenance just like we should adhere to Auto maintenance or Fire Extinguishers. But maintenance is NOT catastrophic. Maintenance WILL cause traditional actuarial tables to fail. Our HC system has been failing for the last 4 decades. Premium rates continue to go up, HC insurance administrative costs continue to go up; HC administration cost to manage the “Maintenance Insurance” bureaucratic quagmire continue to go up … pharmaceuticals, devices, implants, etc. etc.

Obamacare (and any other attempt to governmentalize HC Insurance) CAN ONLY exacerbate EVERYTHING that was (and continues to be) flawed in our HC system. This inane discussion about birth control contraceptives only demonstrates this. Birth Control is NOT catastrophic. It IS Health Maintenance. It has no place in ANY Insurance program – government or private – religious or secular.

Someone else posted this the other day .

Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after diagnosis:
U.S. 65%
England 46%
Canada 42%

Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment within six months:
U.S. 93%
England 15%
Canada 43%
Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six months:
U.S. 90%
England 15%
Canada 43%

Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:
U.S. 77%
England 40%
Canada 43%

Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:
U.S. 71
England 14
Canada 18
Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in “excellent health”:
U.S. 12%
England 2%
Canada 6%

And now for the last statistic :

National Health Insurance?
U.S. NO
England YES
Canada YES

independent,
i can sum your post up in four words. NATIONAL HEALTHCARE DOESN’T WORK!!!!

Like I said earlier, SIC ‘EM MAD DOG!!! When I was a child, we didn’t have health insurance, yet whenever we needed to go to the doctor, we went and dad was able to afford to pay the bill out of pocket and we were by no means well off! I believe the the cost of medical attention and drugs was artificially inflated to force us to have insurance! The system we have today isn’t health care, it is social genicide!!! That’s the reason that pre-emptive medicine isn’t covered, oh sure you can go to the emergency room and they have to treat you, but by the time it comes to that, you’re already sick and sometimes dying!!!
And you see doctors, lawyers, and insurance moguls all pointing their greedy little fingers at each other proclaiming that it’s their fault! All of them smoking Cuban Cigars and driving Ferraris and Mercedes!!!

THANK YOU Tom W. Finally someone else who has not drank the “Health Insurance” cool-aid.

I too was raised under similar conditions. My parents had 9 kids and NEVER had any health insurance. My dad was in fact a Doctor and he was adamantly against the Medical Insurance scam from the beginning. Having been raised that way, I too opted NOT to have Medical Insurance. I negotiated with my employers to give me cash instead (sadly that was now taxable income – but its the price we pay). When my wife and I decided to have kids we saved up to pay for OUR decisions. We announced the situation to the hospital and they worked with us. We ultimately ended up buying CATASTROPHIC ONLY insurance to cover worse case scenarios for our kids. We kept those policies active until they moved out on their own. We had one broken leg and one appendicitis. We probably paid in about as much as we received but we also has some peace of mind. We paid out of pocket for all preventative measures and procedures. We invested the extra cash from our employers and now have a retirement option vastly better than SS & Medicare. I converted it to gold 10 years ago and started storing it offshore (legally) 2 years ago.

I’m 56 and my Health Care has come from my Garden, my Grocer, and my Gym for my entire life. I’ve never been in the hospital other than to visit. My wife’s the same way except you can add three times for child birth.

Most Americans have ZERO concept of Health or Healthcare and have become 100% dependent on this NANNY-State to take care of all their boo-boos. It’s unsustainable and when the system implodes, there’s going to be a lot of SICK, DESPERATE AND ADDICTED people wandering our streets. Get ready for it!

Jesse Fell,

Please stop and back up a minute, and consider the following:

Our form of government was clearly established as a constitutional republic and NOT a democracy. The Founders based it on a pattern of existing governments at the time or in history (e.g., the parliamentary portion of the British monarchy), but were never willing to form a democracy.

On the contrary, they had seen the excesses of democracy in the past, such as the tyranny of the majority, mob rule, etc., and were not enamored of it. Consider that neither the Senate (until the 16th Amendment) nor the Electoral College, as originally formulated, were institutions of democracy. To be sure, if the Electoral College were purely democratic in nature, Samuel Tilden and Al Gore would have been presidents of the US.

It strikes me that you, like so many many Americans, don’t understand the Constitution’s original provisions and objective. In addition to outlining the processes of government, it established checks and balances not only to prevent any branch from becoming supreme, it severely limited the Federal government itself from encroaching upon the rights of the states and the citizens of those states.

Thus, when you talk about the Constitution being silent with regard to “medicine, doctors, or health care,” you fail to understand that the document clearly left that in the hands of the states. Romneycare is not unconstitutional because a state, under the 10th Amendment, can socialize medicine or anything else it wants to within its borders and with the consent of the governed. The Feds CAN NOT do it.

The same applies to public schools and universities, libraries, and a host of other things, in short, anything not specifically reserved for the Federal government. As for the interstate highway system, that comes under the Commerce clause of the Constitution. Concerning the National Art Gallery and the national park system, both are considered by the majority to be worthwhile enterprises, even if their constitutionality may be in doubt. If they disagree with it, they will ratify a new amendment.

Lastly, Lincoln was referring to the Declaration of Independence and the doctrine of the sovereignty of the people. He was not extolling the virtues of democracy, but lauding the Natural Law provisions of life, liberty and property. He would never have tipped his stove pipe hat to the notion that government by and for the people was encoded in anything other than the constitutional republic we have.

Exactly, Vigilant ! Thank you. Jesse (and any others) heed these words – commit to these facts – and understand the true premise behind this country’s founding documents. It is essential that everyone become as familiar as possible with our Constitution and how it is being ignored and disgraced. We are paying the price for this nation’s ignorance. We are paying gravely for the Anti-Constitutional efforts of our President (a self-proclaimed Constitutional Scholar). WTF?

But mostly, it is critical that we all understand that – if left unchecked – Democracy WILL be the demise of this great Republic. If that sounds contradictory or unpatriotic – you don’t understand the difference between the two; and you’re unaware of recent political trends. Critical Mass has been breached. Ironically, this event will be “critical” for the “masses”.

independant thinker,

That’s a perfect example of what I said yesterday with regard to Eric (the red) Bischoof’s posting of UN and OECD statistics.

You won’t find those very telling figures in anything that Eric posts, because he’s as blind as a bat when it comes to acknowledging the inconvenient truth about health care. I doubt he has the courage to even attempt an answer to your posting.

independant thinker says:
March 3, 2012 at 1:47 pm

I thinks you made these figures up they are totally different than the ones i have seen and further taken all together both England and Canada have proven better outcomes at half the price than we do and you forgot to mention that. Truth is we do not stack up as good as 37 other countries and in most cases pay twice as much for health care per person Even Cuba has better outcomes

Vigilant says:
March 4, 2012 at 10:41 am

States rights are only those rights not given the Congress or denied them by the Constitution and you totally do not understand the powers given the US Congress. When Congress has the powers then the state does not, their powers are secondary and only apply if the Congress does not have the Power. The Constitution is so much more that the 10th amendment. Congress controls all of interstate commerce and that means a large share of our health care commerce in addition to being in the general welfare of the country over which the Congress has power and when the Congress has the power then the states do not. By this summer you will know that.

Alex,
while I understand what you are trying to state, don’t forget in Article 1 section 8 of the constitution it DOES cover the words post office and post roads. Since ALL roads with a mail box on it could be construed to be post roads, it is covered also. Please be so kind as to show me where it states Health CARE? If it is not in the constitution, then NO! Not without a legal ammendment to the constitution. I believe you will find, with a little research, that the founders did not mean healthcare when they mention General welfare. Doctors were very far and few between during those times and I doubt very much that the founders would suggest such a thing in those times.

smilee says, ““States rights are only those rights not given the Congress or denied them by the Constitution and you totally do not understand the powers given the US Congress.”

I’m afraid your particularly statist views of the Constitution are at odds with not only the Founders, but with the express and implied powers actually granted in the document, as well as the body of Constitutional scholarship.

Any middle school child should know, as my generation knew, that the entire purpose of the Constitution WAS NOT to centralize power in the federal government, but to clearly RESTRICT the actions of a central authority, specifically to counter the ills of tyranny and to ensure that THE PEOPLE have the ultimate sovereignty.

Your top-down view of government shows an abject misunderstanding of why the document was ratified in the first place. Read a few (better all) of the Federalist Papers and you will begin to understand that the major dangers to state ratification grew out of fears that the federal government would have too much power.

It is doubtful that the states would have ratified the Constitution without the promise of adding the Bill of Rights. The task of the Federalists was to allay the fears of the states/people that the central government would be too instrusive.

Madison, the Father of the Constitution, clarified the authority of the federal government in the Federalist Papers #45:

“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.”

“I thinks you made these figures up they are totally different than the ones i have seen…..”

Well Smilee I notice you have not posted anything that would provide an alternate view except a statement of opinion. Go away and come back when you have something other than your word that disputes my post. And while you are at it give some kind of source.

Hey, Rocky, I sure wish ACORN paid me. Maybe I should look into that. I don’t defend Obama on everything. I just look at situations in a different light than you. Maybe you’re the one who’s wrong. Ever stop and think about it? I do all the time because I have more of an objective mind. As I’ve so often told people, I come to this site to learn and debate and have been here for almost 2 years. If I hadn’t been visiting this site, I would not be campaigning for Ron Paul and have voted for him in the SC primary.

Hey RN, she volunteers.

ACORN no longer exists, Rocky. It filed for Chapter 7 liquidation on November 2, 2010.

I believe ACORN disbanded as stated in a previous post but they probably reformed under another name as usually happens. Anyone know ACORN’s new name?

No, Karolyn, you don’t agree with all Odumberer does, you just don’t DISAGREE with ANYTHING anybody says GOOD about him here!!! You WILL however DISAGREE with most things said AGAINST him!!!

Check out ACORNs new names here:
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SOON DIE THE QUEEN!!!

My ONLY problem, s c, is people like you! What does this girl’s sex life have to do with anything??????? I am not defending her stance on somebody else paying for her birth control! Unfortunately, I guess I just don’t know it all like you, which I am so glad of! Of course, I will never resort to your name-calling tactics, placing me a notch above you, I believe.

She’s got grandchildren (If she’s straight!) your age s c! That thang ain’t seen no action since FDR was in office!!!

Tom – I hope when you go to church tomorrow, you ask forgiveness for the way you’re talking about me. Not very Christian.

Karolyn likes to be a weasely Female, pretending she is Libertarian or a Conservative or a Christian.Some Males when they talk to a Female let their guard down and speak gently and nicely and in the process are conned because they don’t know how to respond.

Nadzieja – Why do you always find it necessary to contribute nothing of value only attacks on people? As I have asked, “Are you a psychologist or psychoanalyst?”

Some are just plain psycho! Such as SC’s psycho babble and she had the audacity to bring up Anita Hill who Judge Thomas had an affair with.Men get elevated and promoted and women get demonized and demoted. Time might march on but men’s attitudes are frozen it time …well SC is an exception for women and well call her the Ice Queen!

Well said S.C. In my days, I’m a bit older, decent girls WOULD NEVER APPROACH A MAN NOR BUY PROTECTION, so she Karolyn and the others who defend Fluke must be easy marks and I feel sorry for the so called men they induce. This is disgusting as to how the girls/women act today, they have disgraced what God has given THE human race for REPRODUCTION, not to make a pig-sti out of their body, I bet they look like a porky-pin by now. You girls are a disgusting mess, just wait and maybe a nice worth while man would come along if they didn’t know your past.
Anyway if the guy is interested he should buy the protectiono, not girls, hear that Fluke!
Fluke, wear it out and see what your husband thinks of you in the future.

Good points s.c.
The word she is missing is RESPONSIBILITY …..

And for those looking to avoid ACORN …..here is a GREAT article .
Politics
An ACORN by Any Other Name Still Smells Like an ACORN, Critics Say
By Stephen Clark

Published March 26, 2010
| FOXNews.com

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The truth can be very painful can’t it Karlolyn?! You know that’s exactly the same thing that the Pharisees and the Sadducees said to Jesus when He was upbraiding them, That’s not a very Christian thing to say!!! Hypocrites and vipers!

Oh, and I am going to church today and I will be asking for forgiveness for my MANY shortcomings, but most of all I’ll be praying that God would open your eyes Karolyn and that you would truly see the point in time that we are standing at!!!
Is your lamp trimmed and BURNING?!! (Matt. 25:1-13) Because if you’re not LOOKING up, (Luke 21:28) you SURELY to GOD must be blind!!! (II Cor. 4:3&4) You surely don’t want to get numbered amongst the GOATS!!! (Matt. 15:31-46) Keep your eyes on the skies Karolyn, JESUS IS COMING! He loves ya and believe it or not SO DO I!!!

Let me add to that by saying that food and a proper diet are incredibly important and relevant to a woman’s health. So you’re right. We need to pay for her food, medicine, birth control pills, contoured memory foam pillow, Dr. Shoal’s shoe inserts, and anything else that might potentially affect her “woman’s health.”

Thanks, David.

For what? Comedy relief???

I bet I can match you eye roll for eye roll. Would you love it if we all had the same opinions and all women took whatever crap was dished out like it was in earlier centuries?

K, would you be offended if I said yes? Women don’t deserve opinions and should remain silent unless otherwise commanded to speak?

I don’t really feel that way, but sometimes I wish women would just shut up. They don’t think the same way men do.

Sorry, that’s cheuvanistic. But I think that way sometimes. You can blame Prohibition for that.

Alex – Ever read the book “Why Men Don’t Listen and Women Can’t Read Maps” ? Real eye-opener about the differences between men and women.

Telling women to shut up and take it is also a prat of the problem. Women finally said enough is enough and made a few demands of their own. Men are now mad because they can’t dominate a woman’s thought process as they had done and now have to compromise on issues. MAN do they hate that. We have one friend who dominates and yells at his wife like a child and she tried to commit suicide years ago because of it. Time for a change guys for we can still be in control of our lives without disrespecting their lives.

eddie, let’s be real for a second. The only reason women have equal rights today is because men said they could. It had nothing to do with them standing up for themselves. If the men had said, “no,” it just wouldn’t have happened.

K, never heard of the book. But the topic has me curious. I’ll check it out.

I think I have a pretty good grasp on why men and women are different, though. Our psycology is completely different. Men think differently. And I don’t necessarily mean superiorly, just differently. My wife is very emotional in her thinking. The more passionate she is about something, the harder it is to change her mind. I’m very logical in my thinking. All the passion in the world won’t take my attention off of the facts.

In my experience, this describes my interactions with most women I’ve known throughout my life.

eddie said “We have one friend who dominates and yells at his wife like a child and she tried to commit suicide years ago because of it.”

I hope you either dumped him as a friend or mentioned he needed help….

Alex, men are more left brained (logical), while actually women have more balanced left and right thinking, although it is well-known that women are more emotional in general.

Actually Libertytrain they are still good friends of ours and he knows I won’t tolerate his past.

libertytrain,
Actually, I’ll bet eddie never said a thing to him!! It is against the liberal psyche to “GET INVOLVED” in matters such as that! I have two scars on my back, one from seven stitches and one from twelve, from encountering guys that hit their wives. I WON’T tolerate it. I’ll probably go under from that one of these days, I can’t stand to see a woman hit by a man!!

Joe – eddie wrote as if this guy is currently doing this, in his reply to me he implies that was in the past….I’m confused –

Libertytrain. I used to have a “good” friend like the one eddie desribed…I was best man at their wedding…haven’t seen or spoken to him in over 10 years now…just because of the way he treated his wife…a verbal bully…and I know she didn’t deserve 1 oz of verbal abuse because I’d known her & her family since she was a young child.

Jeff – well dearie pie – it’s not just men – I’ve seen an occasional woman that has done the same to her man. I don’t get it in any case. Whether you grew up that way or not….you can choose to be different and change. I’ve seen it done a thousand times where people realize they have been idiots…

Jeff And libertytrain,
the very first night I spent in a new unit in Wurtzburg Germany, I went to a company party at the rod n gun club. While there I heard them ask one guy if his wife knew he was there. He just said ” don’t know and don’t care, I wear the pants in MY family. wasn’t about 20 minutes later this BIG woman came in, grabbed him by the knapp of the neck and DRUG HIM OUT!!!! n the way out, she was telling him how she was going to whip his butt when they got home!! Yes, it isn’t common, but it DOES happen!!!

Do hookers use birth control? I mean we already pay for their “affection”, so when was the last time you heard a hooker say she needed some extra cash for the pill? Pay the [offensive word removed] and be done with it.

Jimbo—-I cannot believe the things you people say about the liberals. They don’t hate Catholics and Christians—That statement is stupid…..they ARE Catholics and Christians and people of good moral fiber. In fact it would appear that they may be even “holier” than you righties because we care about the poor and the underdog.
I don’t know why the contraceptives are going to be free to all. I have never heard why. I would ask on here, but one of you ‘sweet’ men or Barbara or someone would blast some cock-eyed answer at me. You would spew on that the sluts are all demanding it or something as dumb.

I like your casual comment, well, no I don’t like it, about having sex w/o the contraceptive…saying the most you could get is pregnant or a venereal disease. The MOST you could get is pregnant??? and what does sex have to do with your needing eyeglasses? The fact that you NEED them, vs the sluts don’t NEED contraceptives? Women, women, hear that…not the sluts, or the promiscuous, or the prostitutes, but women NEED contraceptives to avoid unwanted pregnancy. I have always said that it would be better served if MEN took the pill. They are the ones that can skip into the sunset when the woman gets pregnant. I’d like to see how men react and/or behave if THEY were the ones that would carry the baby, and be expected of course to raise it…
unwanted or not. It is soooo much better to not bring sweet innocent babies into a world where they aren’t wanted. So…bottom line is…birth control is a choice, I don’t get the FREE part of it. I had to pay for mine, OR INSURANCE DID, so that’s not my battle. My battle is to see that women employees get the same right to the insurance programs that any other employee does. It is NOT anyone’s business if she uses a contraceptive or not.
and the name calling of women that have sex w/o being married does not a slut make. If they are, then the male is also, and the good ol’ boy ideas need to stop. They need to be condemned as well. Simple solution the woman takes the pill if she chooses to and it is noone’s business but her own. Period.

karen had no trouble whatsoever calling another woman the “c” word….I found that despicable. Another do as I say, not as I do liberal – how repulsive this gal is – how can she lecture when she does it herself……

Gee whiz, how conservative of you! Didn’t anyone tell you, the new fashion is liberal? Major faux pas, dude!!

Blah! Blah! Blah! Same old same old over and over. Why don’t you try thinking outside the box and using the same old rhetoric that we hear ad infinitum. Look at things and people with new eyes. You cannot lump everyone into the same category. I am not a progressive, as I have heard them described; however, I have always leaned to the liberal side. All that being said, I have come to appreciate some conservative views from posting on this site. It’s only the extremists that I totally have a problem with – and that’s extremists on either side I’m talking about. So don’t label me; you don’t know me and probably have not read much of what I’ve posted over the past almost 2 years.

truth be told if obumer wasn’t trying to take over healthcare then we could push for the correct answer of free trade and competitive commerce which in turn drives down the cost across the board. then maybe, just maybe people could aford the own contrceptives. my wife and i pay for our own and always have. i’m not willing to pay for someone else’s lifestyle.

Pelosi did not present her to Congress-it was just a staged press conference. Typical theater to distract from the real agenda. Don;t look at what the Commie in Chief is doing to destroy the country. Save our Country by getting rid of Libs. Liberalism is a ‘mental diease!

Randy,

You can read people’s minds? WOW!

Three Thousand dollars spent on birth control might not be to far out of line if she were with three or four men a night,seven days a week! But Fluke is full of it! She knew the schools policy on birth control before she ever applied and only applied to try to force the school to go against it’s beliefs and give her buddie Obama a new wagon to jump on?
Fluke,Gloria Aldred,Steinem,Jay Rockeller and Fonda are all one of a kind and need to be shipped to an Island along with Obama and all his Czars and cut off from anyone, so they can do no damage!

The POINT is that health insurance should cover the needs of the person who has the health insurance. Contrary to your opinion, there are numerous medical reasons why a woman may need hormone treatment. Why do you object to women having birth control even if it is for sex? Why do you want to control females in this manner? Asking Georgetown U. to provide the needed coverage for its employees would not cost the American taxpayer one penny. Why the war on women? You need to support women not try to verbally, or otherwise, beat us down!

Hold on, now- Let’s call an orange an orange. If a woman, or man for that matter, needs hormone therapy, CALL IT THAT. I do not object to anyone having birth control, I strongly object to being forced to pay for it. I do not want to control anybody, on the contrary , it’s you and people like you trying to control ME- Make me pay for your (fill in the blank)- That’s called socialism, and it’s what is killing this Country.Your comment protrays me as sexist, couldn’t be further from the truth. I will say, the only woman I want to support, however, is my wife. When she needs medication, I will pay for it, not look for someone else to take on MY responsibility.

Shirley, I have to agree with and commend “Someone”. He talks of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and nothing could be more germane. Every American MUST take Responsibility for their own lives and that of their families. Take an interest in our neighborhood and communities – assist with and invest in – but only to ensure that all other individuals LEARN Personal Responsibility and the rewards of Personal Dignity.

Under NO circumstances are we (any Americans) ENTITLED to anything. Listen why and think about it: This country’s grossly in debt. It will take us decades to climb out of debt – if ever. We are in debt because of the legislators and executives we’ve elected. Maybe you didn’t vote for the biggest spenders, but as an adult American you didn’t do enough to change the problems we now face. Even young adults voted overwhelmingly to add $3 Trillion dollars to our debt when they elected Obama. Because of our stupidity, selfishness and ambivalence this “Once considered the greatest generation” has incurred debt that will be passed on to UNBORN, UNREPRESENTED future Americans. That – my dear friends – is unconstitutional. It is illegal and immoral.

So for any one of us to cash a government check, vote for ANY spending increases or pretend for one moment that you are ENTITLED TO ANYTHING today that will be paid for (plus interest) by your grandchildren – is nothing less than NARCISSISTIC.

It has nothing to do with gender or liberal or conservative or democrat or republican – All irresponsible parasites of our bankrupt government are UN-AMERICAN.

@Shirley, Someone, EVERYONE: At the risk of beating a dead horse (that apparently still can’t drink water ever after having been lead directly to it):

If Georgetown U owes its female students or employees insurance subsidies to cover BC and other medical issues – then they should also subsidies all the male students and employees that pay higher car insurance because the Car Insurance Industry claims males incur greater costs.

Now I don’t really condone that. By now you should all know what I advocate – It’s quite simple:
Everyone pay your own regular and preventive medical expenses.
Everyone pay your own premiums for CATASTROPHIC medical events.
Everyone leave your employer, your college, and your government out of it.

Everyone KNOW THIS: for every middleman you put between you and your doctor – your medical expenses WILL double.
Involve your Insurance company and a $100 bill becomes $200.
Involve your Employer or College and that $200 becomes $400.
Involve any aspect of the Government and that $400 become $800. **
Involve any lawyers or litigation and that $800 becomes $1600.

(**Because all branches of the government are fraught with bureaucratic waste and corruption. Even if that weren’t the case, every branch of the government has public employees – none of which work for free – all of which make more than their private sector counter parts – all of which require offices, overhead and benefits – and all of which require tax payer dollars. But even after collecting all of our taxes, the government still borrows 45 cents for every dollar it spends on medical insurance or expenses.)

Debating whether Fluke should have free Birth Control is like debating whether the worker in the Japanese nuclear power plant should have turned the lights off before the tidal wave hit. IR-freaking-RELEVANT !!