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Cold Case Posse Determines Obama Documents To Be Forgeries

March 2, 2012 by  

Cold Case Posse Determines Obama Documents To Be Forgeries

Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse announced yesterday that the White House-released Long Form Birth Certificate for President Barack Obama was most likely a forgery, probably produced on a computer. Additionally, the President’s Selective Service card was also a computer-generated forgery.

To further muddle Obama’s nativity, the Immigration and Naturalization Service cards filled out by airplane passengers arriving on international flights originating outside the United States in the month of August 1961, examined at the National Archives in Washington, D.C., are missing records for the week of Obama’s reported birth, including the dates Aug. 1-7, 1961.

“Absent a copy of a birth certificate, a legitimate copy of a birth certificate, we do not have a single document that proves Mr. Obama’s birth in Hawaii or anywhere else in the United States for that matter,” a spokesman for the Posse said. “We believe a full-blown investigation is warranted because the people of Maricopa County have been defrauded, and the people of Arizona have been defrauded.”

The Cold Case Posse is made up of former law enforcement officers and lawyers with law enforcement experience. They examined dozens of witnesses and hundreds of documents, as well as taking numerous sworn statements from witnesses around the world.

I have written before that Obama is not eligible to be President based on the birth certificate released by the White House because he is not a natural born citizen if his father was Barack Obama Sr. However, the Posse’s investigation reveals what many people have long believed: Obama may not have been born in the United States, and his entire history may be manufactured. Reporter Wayne Madsen wrote an exposé in 2010 that provided evidence that Obama may be a CIA creation.

According to the Posse spokesman, they have interviewed a retired government employee who was introduced to a young Obama in Bill Ayers’ mother’s yard. The government employee said he was told Obama was introduced as a foreign student they were helping to get an education in the United States. The spokesman said the individual is willing to come forward and make the claim.

Arpaio said he’s not accusing Obama of committing the fraud or even being aware of it, and the investigation will continue. However, the sheriff’s department has identified a person of interest in the birth certificate fraud.

What’s truly fascinating is the response of the reporters at the end of the news conference. Rather than ask questions about the evidence the Posse presented, they questioned Arpaio’s motives and those of the Posse members. That’s further evidence the mainstream media are not interested in getting to the bottom of Obama’s background and eligibility.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • neal

    This is not a trial. Obama is not on trial. It is not up to us to prove anything. Hussein Obama is trying to qualify for a position. Understand the word Qualify. The burden of proof is his; and he refuses. That should be the end of it. Do not bother to qualify, do not get on the ballot.

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      neal, I fully disagree. It is up to the “states” to vette the candidates. In Obama’s case and probably every other presidential candidate, past and present, the states have failed to do their due diligence and properly vette a presidential candidate. It is the “people” who must speak up and “force” this issue to the end.

      • Michael J.

        JeffH,
        On the subject of states vetting candidates, here’s another tidbit that’s been swept under the rug for the most part. Sorry, it’s a bit long but guaranteed infuriating.

        However, just one day after the Democrat Party of Hawaii (DPH) filed its sworn, but legally omissive OCON with the Hawaiian election commission, the Democratic National Committee (DNC), chaired by Nancy Pelosi, filed its national Official Certification of Nominations with all fifty states. This sworn application is filed by each party’s national committee with each state’s election commission alleging that their respective candidates have been vetted and approved for ballot placement for federal office.

        A review of the Democratic National Committee’s applications for Obama reveals a shocking irregularity in the composition of its Official Certification of Nomination sent to Hawaii. On December 19, 2008, Hawaii’s Chief Elections officer, Kevin Cronin, in response to a written request by a Colorado resident for a copy of the Official Certification of Nominations, sent a letter and a copy of the DPH’s OCON and the DNC’s OCON. However, analysis of the DNC OCON sent to Hawaii in comparison with the DNC’s OCON sent to other states, reveals that they did not match. In fact, Hawaii’s version of the DNC’s OCON contained specific wording not included in the versions sent to ALL the other states, which directly contradicts the Democrat Party of Hawaii’s OCON. All the states’ Election Commissions, except for Hawaii’s, were sent one Official Certification of Nomination with the following statement:

        “THIS IS TO CERTIFY that at the National Convention of the Democratic Party of the United States of America, held in Denver, Colorado on August 25 though 28, 2008, the following were duly nominated as candidates of said Party for President and Vice President of the United States respectively”

        The typo “though” is not a mistake. It actually exists in the official document. Notice, in this version of the DNC’s OCON, there is no mention of Obama’s Constitutional eligibility. However, in the version sent separately to Hawaii’s Election Commission, it states the following:

        “THIS IS TO CERTIFY that at the National Convention of the Democratic Party of the United States of America, held in Denver, Colorado on August 25 though 28, 2008, the following were duly nominated as candidates of said Party for President and Vice President of the United States respectively and that the following candidates for President and Vice President of the United States are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution:”

        The inclusion of the specific language previously omitted by the DPH’s OCON indicates nothing less than a conspiracy on the part of the DNC and the DPH to force a confirmation of Barack Obama’s eligibility by the state of Hawaii, without actually verifying it. The DNC amended its Hawaiian OCON for specifically for Obama as a means of creating a direct contradiction with DPH’s legitimate omission of legal language which, if included, would certify Obama’s constitutional eligibility in accordance with Hawaiian law.

        The obvious crime in this intentional dissemination of misinformation is that if the DPH was unable to verify Obama’s eligibility, the DNC would have also not been able to verify it. Why would the DNC not share its verification documentation of Obama’s candidacy with the Democrat Party of Hawaii’s official? If the DNC was actually able to verify Obama’s eligibility, the DPH would have also acquired the same documentation to verify it. If the eligibility of Obama candidacy was provable and verifiable, both party authorities would have included the same appropriate language in accordance with Hawaiian law. Hawaiian law also allowed for seven more days from the dates appearing on both OCONs to be filed if more time was needed for the DPH and the DNC to corroborate the verification of Obama’s eligibility.

        Also, if the original version of the DNC’s OCON had been authored with language confirming Obama’s constitutional eligbility, the DNC had no rational motive for submitting two different versions. The inclusion of such language only reinforces perception of Obama’s eligibility in every state. Therefore, the submittal of different documents indicates an act of deception on the part of Nancy Pelosi and the DNC in an effort to contradict the Democrat Party of Hawaii’s OCON.

        Seesh… can you believe it? When this story originally broke it was only covered by Fox, and only for a day or two at that. Can you imagine if McCain had done this? MSM coverage would have been loud enough to make you defocate with a hang-time stench equivelent to an elephant the day after he raided a Taco Bell. So thuroughly persistent in fact, that dead ancestors of Amazon head-hunters would have by-now heard about it. And they would still be railing about it. Like when eddie gets backed in a corner with no way out, he would exclaim out of desperation… “Ya, but McCain falsified OCN documents, So There”

        All of this is proof positive that if you have the backing of the CFR steered MSM, The World Is Yours Baby !!!

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Michael J., :) you’re absolutly correct and that has also been presented here in the past.

  • Evelyn

    Impeach obama!!!

  • Lakshman DeSilva

    The Fact is that Mr. Barack Hussein Obama is the President of the United States of America and The Commander in Chief!
    There is nothiung anyone can do anything about these frauds and forgeries as there is no congressman with balls to move a moition if impeachment including killing a US citizen by his order outside Constitutional forms and ordering Police to attack American citizens for peacefully deminstrating under constitutional rights, and going to war without Congress approval wehereas President Obama is a despot and made USA a fratrocracy

    • http://amendment-13.org tonahistory

      Mr. Lakshman, you stated: “Mr. Barack Hussein Obama is the President of the United States of America and The Commander in Chief!”. Yes, he is the Commander in Chief, but not the President of the United States of America (the country). The Constitution establishes that any president is President of the United States (the government in Washington, D.C.). Also, U.S. citizens and American citizens are two different legal entities. Congress has jurisdiction over U.S. citizens. It does not have jurisdiction over Americans. A Title 8 U.S.C statute categorizes “Americans” as American nationals.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jpacord John Acord

    Santorum, Gingrich, and Paul’s campaign are faltering. When will one or all make this an issue? I understand why it was not made an issue until a law enforcement investigation was committed. However, that’s been done by the great patriot Sheriff Joe. It can wait no longer. Simply demand that Hussein produce his records. Make no other request. Let Hussein show that Sheriff Joe is a fool, if he can. Let;s get this crap over with now! The MSM cannot ignore this issue if one or all of the three also-rans stand up and begin shouting about the issue. Trump did and his ratings skyrocketed. Not only will it b=rings untold of publicity to campaigns that are faltering but it will bring the exposure that is required. I also believe it will stop the Mitt express dead in its tracks as he will not play with the issue. Of course, whoever does this stands the risk of assassination, just as as most probably done to Breitbarte whose last interview was with Sheriff Arpaio.

  • Rico Lagattuta

    Personally,I amtired of reading this crap. If there is evidence, file a law suit and get it over with!

    • Deerinwater

      Well Rico, it seems everyone has a computer and photo shop.

      They are going to continue with these claims because they “can” .

      Any thing the can be crafted and thrown, will be.

      We can’t control what people “WISH” to believe or say. It’s not in our power.

      You have power over yourself, and that’s all the power that you need.

      Saying things does not make them so. If it did, I’d be a millionaire.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Deerinwater,

        You write: “Well Rico, it seems everyone has a computer and photo shop.” Yes, even someone connected to the White House. Unfortunately he or she wasn’t very good.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Deerinwater

        Hmm? so you believe to be holding “a copy” of the actual legal instrument in dispute?

        How do you know?

        I would think at this point the whole arena has been “salted” and everything suspect, especially documents that make clear claims and obvious bogus.

        If I’m not mistaken Mr Livingston, you are placing a lot of creditably on this “cold case posse” from Arizona. Gentlemen with no names, but only a title commissioned by one Sheriff “Joe”.

        Where is Mr. Tibbs when you need him?

        These groups are usually comprised of retired peace officers, that still enjoy meeting and coming into the shop every week or so. Cold case files runs hot and cold, they might come in more often if they are closing in on something.

        They get bored setting under the little lady’s feet and watching day time TV. Too old and hurt to bad to work stock anymore, you might a horse parade out of them once a year. Going in and doing law enforce work is fun. If you have a colorful Sheriff, even more so.

        I’m not trying to diminish these good men Mr. Livingston, but I’m offering to you, it’s a small nail to be hanging a big pair of britches on. Arizona is not known for being all that sophisticated on any level you might wish to look. They don’t have to be, there little need for it in that part of the country. Super sleuths they are not.

        stock thieves, gun runners, smugglers, wife beaters and drunks is their staple.

      • Michael J.

        Deerinwater says:
        “stock thieves, gun runners, smugglers, wife beaters and drunks is their staple.”

        So, you’re not only hopelessly indoctrinated, but stupid to boot. Come to think of it… the two traits go hand in hand. Do you even realize who your coarse comments are addressed too? Not to mention the millions of decent Arizonans.

        Take my advice, if you plan any excursions to Arizona in the near future, don’t sign the registar as “Deerinwater” or you may end up as venison stew after your above remarks.

        BTW,The description above reminds me of the Kennedy’s more than anyone else. And you mentioned “bricthes”, Ted was notorious for not wearing any while chasing terrified woman up and down the sandy beaches of
        Palm Beach in the middle of the night while Palm Beach cops looked the other way. I guess he envied Clinton, or did Clinton learn from the Kennedy’s? AWh… who can keep up with liberals sexual debauchery anyway !!! Just a bunch of Godless heathans lacking a moral compass. Teesh… no wonder we’re in such a mess.

      • DaveH

        I’m from Arizona, DeerInHeadlights, and I’m saying you’re a retard.

      • Deerinwater

        So you plan to get personal? Everyone has to live somewhere. If you think Arizona is a hot bed of Anglo Saxton culture and reflects 21st century man , that up to you. I don’t have a problem with you being incorrect until to start promoting it as something that it’s not and wish it one everyone else.

    • Sirian

      Rico,
      If you’re tired of reading this crap, they why did you read it? Duh. . .

    • Vicki

      Rico. Is someone forcing you to read this “crap”. If not than why blame anyone but yourself. Is that a “progressive” thing to blame others for your decisions?

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Rico: Personally, I am tired of reading this crap. If there is evidence, file a law suit and get it over with!

      Poor Rico, if only you could read in your statement, that reading is not your forte! Otherwise, you would have stated: Personally, i am tired of the courts dismissing all motions to investigate the fraud, which is, Obama, and his Photoshopped, birth-certificate! You need to do more reading, Rico!!!

    • http://amendment-13.org tonahistory

      No one is forcing you to read “this crap”. Since you find it so upsetting, take a nice long break with your fellow sheeples.

  • Firefight

    Indeed, we are in great peril. This whole thing has been orchestrated by a group of individuals who are hell bent on a complete transformation of America into what they see as the last piece in their puzzle. If America can be reduced to the level of other countries with no ability to decide the people’s will, they will have won. The objective of this administration is to complete a breaking down of morals and values of the American people. Once that is accomplished, the breaking down of the people’s will, will be easy. I hope everyone realizes what comes next. For those who think that American patriotism is dead, think again. It is merely resting, watching, and biding it’s time. I have made this statement before and I will make it again. “A line has been drawn in the sand.” Each of us must decide which side we will be on.

    The matters concerning Obama’s fraudulent birth certificate, his fraudulent Connecticut Social Security card, his apparent travel to foreign countries that were off limits to Americans and his unobtainable records from Occidental and Columbia are just the tip of this enormous iceberg that has been constructed for America’s demise. The World Banking system must be dealt with. People like Bill Ayers and Soros, the Bilderbergs, must be brought to justice. Corporate America and the unions must be dealt with and all the bullying must be dealt with. This is something that we have been turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to for too long. It has finally come around to bite us in the ass.

    • Sirian

      I agree, overall, that is the positive end result that they have been indoctrinating all of us, kids on up, since the sixties Firefight. This is their last chance since and boy are they pushing it. What troubles me is that so many people don’t realize what’s taking place.

    • rightsfighter

      Nice and heartbreaking story! Do you belief it yourself? Hope it bite you in the ass and good!

      • samurai

        The personal attack. Classic liberal strategy. The facts are all there, just look them up and see what is going on around you. Ooops! I forgot that you libs are as blind as bats. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

      Nice work, Firefight.

      You see the equation for what it is…indeed, it’s the bankers behind it all…& who are the bankers? They were once called the Knights Templar…and after going underground, they emerged as the Mason/Illuminati equation.

      Don’t believe me? Look at Isreal’s Surpreme Court & who donated the funds to build it…look who controls the money supply for America and the world through their Central Banks. It’s all the same organization. Look at what organizations they belong to…UN, CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergs. They are Masons or connected to them…one and all.

      http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-israel-supreme-court/

      I specifically point my finger at the leaders of these organizations as the ROOT level cause of why our world is the way that it is. Nothing will change until we as a species address what it is they have been doing & are trying to do…all the way down through History. There is enough evidence to prove this all…we just need someone with enough balls like Sheriff Joe to step up to the plate & open up this can of worms. Yes, it will be painfull to deal with…but we are American’s & I know once we do…we’ll be the better for it.

      God Bless.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Keep up the good fight, Firefight!

  • FreedomFighter

    Time to IMPEACH OBAMA.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Vicki

      Better to nullify his presidency. That way all of the laws he signed and appointments he made just go away.

      • Christin

        Vicki,

        Nullify would be good… might have a racial war on our hands though if we remove their messiah.

        Did you click on the ‘CIA Creation’ report in Bob’s article?

        Do you believe these findings?

      • Vicki

        Christin says:

        Nullify would be good… might have a racial war on our hands though if we remove their messiah.

        No worries. They don’t believe in guns. Oh wait. Its liberals that don’t believe in guns. African Americans are smarter.

    • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

      Nullify is the answer.

      God Bless.

  • http://httpaol.com sean murrey ILLInio

    We know he is a fake for quite a while.

  • Winks

    This is the most stupid article I had ever seen. Of course his documents were produced on a computer. What else would they be produced with…a papyrus leaf? Bill Ayer’s mom…gimme an effin break. For the sake of argument, let’s ask this anonymous source what her address was. I am sure he will not know. Also, airlines did not even collect customs papers in 1961. This practice started under the Nixon Administrstion, when he changed the state department to a cabinet office. Get your facts straight and get your head out of your arse.

    The fact is – Obama has been president for almost an entire term. And thanks to the idiots running for the republican ticket – he will be again. So crawl out of your cave and get with the rest of us in the real world.

    • Vicki

      Winks writes

      Also, airlines did not even collect customs papers in 1961.

      You might want to check before making bald assertions like that. They are ridiculously easy to disprove.
      “85.3.2 Passenger arrival lists (air)

      Textual Records: Microfilm copies of airplane passenger arrival lists, including lists for Miami, FL, 1929-45 (178 rolls), with index, 1930-42 (68 rolls); New Orleans, LA, 1943-45 (12 rolls); West Palm Beach, FL, 1931-45 (2 rolls); and miscellaneous ports in FL, 1944-45 (1 roll).”

      Now of course I could stop there but then my quoted statement would still be proof by bald assertion so I will now include a cite to the source of the quote.

      Records of the Immigration and Naturalization Service [INS]

      And even a link to the cite.
      http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/085.html

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Nice work, Vicki.

        God Bless.

    • texastwin827

      Winks, don’t look now but your age (or ignorance) is showing. In 1961, very few computers existed…except possibly in the Government and a few large corporations. They were huge mainframes, not personal computers that exist today. Most businesses, including hospitals, did things manually (I know..that’s a foreign concept, isn’t it?)

      The term “African American” did not even exist in 1961. Regardless of whether you might consider it as “racist” or not, he would have been classified as Negro, because his father was a Negro. It would not have mattered that his mother was White….that’s just the way it was in 1961.

      • Bellagram

        What is all the chatter about the term African American not being used in 1961, and thereby is another strike against the president’s birth certificate? Did you look at the document? No where is the term African American used. Race of father is listed as African which was the term commonly used at that time to describe blacks who were actually Native-born Africans. Race of mother is listed as Caucasian. If you want to point fingers at parts of the COLB, at least know what you are saying. If anyone cares there is also an article on foxnews.com that contradicts the Sheriff’s findings http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit/

  • http://www.cindynel.co.za peter

    Must be the greatest conman of all time if this is true. Invention of the CIA? Whatever, he is due to carry on the con game in Novemebr again – believe it! It seems that America is screwed anyway.

  • Jay

    Time for Sheriff Joe to issue a Warrant in this case of fraud. No wonder the Obummer Administration is up Joe’s butt with a microscope…!

  • Andy Witouski

    THIS IS ALL CRAP-CRAP-CRAP FOR IF ANY OF IT WAS TRUE WHY ISN’t THE REPUBLICANS ALL OVER IT????AND DON’T TELL ME THAT SH——T OBUMA DOESN’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE FRAUD,,,, HE IS AT THE HEART OF IT. HE IS THE REASON THIS IS GOING ON TODAY. EITHER HE IS A PHONY OR HE IS LIGITAMATE AND THE LATER OF THE TWO I PERSONALLY DONT BELIEVE. BUT WHY IS HE SO PROTEDTED BY THE REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, MEDIA AND WHY IS A DO NOTHING VACATIONING PRESIDENT LEADING IN THE POLLS?????OUR WHOLE GOVERNMENT IS ONE BIG CONSPIRICY AND NOT ANY OTHER WORD DEFINES IT. POLITICIANS ARE CROOKS WE ALL KNOW IT AND WE JUST TURN THE OTHER CHEEK AND KEEP PAYING!!!!! ALL OF WHICH IS A BUNCH OF BULL CRAP. POSSE DETERMINATION MY ASS JUST ANOTHER STORY FOR THE ARCHIVES.

    • Daren

      Andy, Absolutely Amazed, you are absolutely brain dead retards! Pull your cone shaped cranium out of your liberal ass and move to Iran or North Korea.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Daren, dare you to comprehend? Re-read it!

    • factnotrhetoric

      Andy,
      Take a deep breath and count to ten. I agree with you 100% and I believe most of these readers agree with you too.

      These readers are trying to prove exactly what you claim to be true. But they must do it “one fact at a time.” This is an incredibly frustratingly and slow process, especially when you know a president is doing that much damage to your country. But that’s the way democracies work.

      Sadly, you must protect Obama’s rights, and deal only with facts, to protect your own rights in any democracy. In any democracy, we must depend on provable facts and finding proof takes time.

      You could do a lot of good by spreading any of these facts, that you believe are true, to the general news media reader comments.

      • Vicki

        factnotrhetoric writes:

        Sadly, you must protect Obama’s rights, and deal only with facts, to protect your own rights in any democracy. In any democracy, we must depend on provable facts and finding proof takes time.

        Ummm.. In any democracy you only need a majority of people to do whatever you want. Facts are not relevant. Perhaps you confused the Constitutionally LIMITED Republic that was the United States which was formed to protect individual rights and where provable facts are required for “due process”.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY The specific of Democracy is discussed starting about 5:00 min but I urge you to listen to the entire ~10 min.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Vicki :) as usual you get it right :)

      • samurai

        Good post Vicki and well said. :-) Factsnorhetoric, we are a Constitutional Republic and not a democracy. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Steve E

      Here is a link which explains how the Certificate of Live Birth.
      http://redwhitebluenews.com/?p=25222&fb_source=message
      Don’t bother watching it if you are a Liberal. It will be way over you head,
      High IQs will understand this.

    • http://amendment-13.org tonahistory

      Mr. Andy, in answer to your passionate comment “WHY ISN’t THE REPUBLICANS ALL OVER IT????”, it’s because of the identical situation for rising Republican stars Bobby Jindal of Louisiana and Marco Rubio of Florida. It has been established for both of them that their parents were not U.S. citizens when they were born. And it’s at least reasonable to include Mitt Romney because he has publicly stated that he was born in Mexico. Since Romney’s dad, George Romney, was also born in Mexico, unless and until it’s proven that George Romney had formally become a naturalized citizen by the time son Mitt was born, he’s ineligible as well.

  • factnotrhetoric

    If any of us evaluate this information as legitimate, it’s up to us to pass this information along to the general public, through mainstream news media.

    The Mainstream News media will obviously not touch this story because it would mean Saudi Puppet Obama would withhold part of his 1 Billion advertising campaign contributions from that network. Mainstream News Media doesn’t want to get cut off.

    But Mainstream Media does allow reader comments on every article. This is Mainstream Media’s way of allowing the truth out, without being cut off from the Billion Dollars in Advertising Fees.

    Sometimes, these reader comments are read more often than the original article.

    Our comments, on mainstream news articles, are just as important as alternative news sources like Personal Liberty. I think our comments might even be more important because Personal Liberty reaches only one group of readers, like you and me.

    If you do comment on a mainstream media, read all of the follow up posts and reply to any dissenters. It’s important NOT TO LET Obama’s Paid Crews have the last word in any reader’s discussion. There are Obama Paid Professionals in every Reader Discussion group.

    The Obama Paid Professionals are easy to beat in rebuttals. They don’t like facts, they rely on name calling and weird accusations. Facts, when presented, make them look ridiculously stupid and ill-informed.

    • factnotrhetoric

      “absolutely amazed” above is the typical Obama Paid Professional in any reader discussion group.

      See the name calling, and lack of any pertinent facts.

    • jrcat918

      The “main stream media” are not going to criticize because they have their lips planted so firmly on his but until he doesn’t need them any more. by that time it will be way too late!

      • hoov

        Well said, just like he uses everybody to gain ultimate power and then kick then to the curb. America fell asleep years ago and the Communists/Marxists have been forging ahead. America, please wake up!

      • samurai

        Hey, this just in. Maybe some, not all, of the media is beginning to slowly wake up. Look at this:

        http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/media-finally-paying-attention-to-eligibility/

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://home Donna Cox

      Point: Per INS..obama is a citizen because his mother is a citizen. Natural born does not mean both parents are citizens, it can be only ONE parent. Point: Per INS..a child born to a non-citizen parent, when issued a birth certificate by the birth county or state is a citizen based on the issurance of that birthcertificate. I did not believe it either but I had to research the citizenship issue in my employment. INS regulates the definition of citizenship not the constitution.
      I am disgusted beyond belief at obama. Everything about him screams fraud, liar, phony, intellictually inferior. He is conditioned to do certain things make certain statements but when he has to think and speak with out benefit of per conditioning he babbles like an idiot. I believe the support for his presidency came from countries other than the U.S. Remember he never did share were his campaign donations came from, just told us that payments made over the internet could not be traced. dah

  • http://Aol Tessie3940

    Anthony – Loved the comment about the “Joe’s”. LOL
    Barkey Hopps – the African American for race was always the “Tell” for me.

    • Bill in Jersey

      The “tell?” Obama’s father was African and his mother was American. He wasn’t born to two American Negro parents, so the notation refers to his parents’ origins, not simply their race. Any forgery would try to be more “authentic” by using “Negro.” Sheriff A is a joke, just like his “inquiry” by, huh? A posse? C’mon! It’s the 21st century.

      • LibRep

        Great excuse, Bill, but still flawed. I am not a birther, but I have always felt there was something amiss about Obama. The CIA operative argument seems compelling, if what I read was true that his mother was in the CIA back in ’61 when Bush Sr was running it at the time. Sort of explains to me why Obama kept Dubya’s policies in place when he took over.

        Personally, at this point I could care less about his status, as long as the 5 letter word “FORMER” is in front of “President Obama” come January 2013.

      • LibRep

        Make that 6 letter word. Apparantly I lose my ability to count on Friday’s. Must be an old habit with beers from when I was in the Marines.

      • Jay

        Bill in Jersey:

        Hmm, African American refers to the race category for Mr. and Mrs. Obama? In 1961, the common designation would have listed them as ‘Negro’ and ‘Caucasian’ NOT African and American!

        I understand there are other issues on that certificate which also push the credibility factor…..

      • hipshotpercusion

        Just ignore Bill from Jersey. One would have to question the intelligence of anyone from a State that would allow Frank Lautenberg to illegally usurp a Senate seat and elect liar thief John Corzine as the Gov.

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Bill in Jersey:
        Right on with your assessment. To everyone else, what in God’s name, is wrong with you all!?! The man was born in the U.S. for the last time. Will you’ll stop reading/watching Machurian Candidate books and movies!?! You know, this is the equivalence from the book written by conservative talk show host Tony Brown, called Black Lies,White Lies in the mid 1990′s. This book ,basically, exposed white supremacy with Afro-centrist propaganda for what it was. Anyway, there was a chapter in the book about conspiracy thinking. He stated when people have to be “in touch with reality”. Furthermore, when people jump to conspiracies, thay tend to be “guilty of something”. Well, unfortunately, it appears supporters of this website are guilty of something. It’s called paranoid ignorance.
        Now, we need to live in the real world. The president is a legitimate citizen, if you want to condemn him , then attack his policies. This type of talk will only help the President get re-elected. Unless, this website is, truly, undercover Obama fans. Thanks!!

      • RichE

        Re-elect Obummer? Rut-roh! You figured it out, but there’s nothing you can do. The ‘far-righters’ are too easly distracted.

      • http://liberty Tony

        Hey RichE.:
        You said it, not me. Rut-roh!!

      • samurai

        Wrong answer! He is not a natural born citizen of the U.S., which is required by the Constitution. He would need both of his parents to be American citizens to be such. Second, his mother was only 18-19 years old and too young to pass citizenship onto Obama bin Laden. Why do you people constantly spout lies, rhetoric, and innuendo? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Bob Rice

    Cmon,We all think that obama (small letters on purpose)is a phony,we need a FEDERAL JUDGE to make known that obama is a PHONY,FAKE,or a muslim community organizer,that snorted coke.NOVEMBER 2012 is coming,im not sure yet,who i will vote for,BUT,IT WONT BE obama………..

  • mark

    THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE WAS GROOMED BY H. KISSINGER.1981 HE FIRST MEET KISSINGER, GOT HIM TO SCHOOL THROUGH FOREIGN STATUS, BY AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS.

  • Jesse Fell

    Barking mad, all of you! You are naive fools, too — eager to swallow any tall tale that supports what you want to believe in the first place. What a bunch of delusional rubes!

    • Jay

      Jesse…Take a deep breath and drink some more Kool Aid. You’ll sleep well…

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Jesse don’t forget to add the VODKA

      • Jesse Fell

        and Kool Aid is all I drink, which is why I, at least, am sober.

      • http://naver samurai

        You may be sober Jessie, but you are an ostrich with your head buried somewhere warm and moist and it sur isn’t the beach either. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • RaffaeleCafagna

      Jesse you are the delusional; why don`t you ask your illegal usurper corrupt liar muslim president to come forward and Show all his papers, this action , that your president has refused time after time, will solve all the Problems; it will put The Birthers to rest.
      Jesse go head and ask your president to Comply with the Law, Rules, Regulations of our Nation, to Show all papers he has Locked up. If your president is not an illegal usurper, why does he refuse to show all his sealed records. ??????Please ask him ,he may listen to you.

    • castaway

      Jesse Fell and hit his head on the cement, and now thinks the (offensive word removed) in the White House is the great Massiah.

    • http://Yahoo Val

      Jessie, take a look at what Obama says about himself….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded

      • Judy Behm

        You should send the video link to sheriff Arpio.

    • Firefight

      Jesse, Naive fools? What are we so naive about? You choose to believe everything the progressives are feeding you and yet you are not naive? Who placed you in charge of determining who is naive? I simply say, look at all the evidence and which has been presented in this case and if you can honestly say that you can believe in something or someone who has brought nothing to the table, then you are the one who is naive. But that’s OK. Some people believe that extraterrestrials are green.

      • rightsfighter

        Who put you in charge to determine who is naive? The presidents mother was a white girl fromYTexas. She never left the USA before the president was born. Where do you think the president was born? Somewhere in the air , perhaps in the ocean? He certainly was not born abroad – like I said his mother never left the USA before he was born- Just plain logic. It appears to me that you join the forces of the racism as well. You are trying to spread hate among your fellow citizen. Really not something to be proud of!

      • rightsfighter

        Something else. Do you call the statement from the State of Hawaii a lie? You better think twice before you do that.
        You really think -and perhaps your body the sheriff thinks the same thing- that the State of Hawaii would purposely falsify doc’s on the computer like the sheriff says?
        Just ask yourself, what could have been the purpose to do that?
        I assume that the Republicans do not like an African American in the WH.
        The question is: Can this president ( no matter who he is) do a better job than the previous one? Things , that has been deteriorating in the past cannot just be fixed overnight! All takes time. So far things are getting better, slowly indeed, but progress is being made. Look at what ex president Clinton did. Look at what ex president Reagon did.
        I am very sorry for you being so short-sighted!

      • G. H.

        How do we know all “the evidence” isn’t fake? Why do you hate your president? Why are only black men mentioned in one of the previous comments about Sheriff Joe? All respect for this country has been lost within the social media such as this one….we cannot be called the United States anymore. And you are contributing to the disunity by making ridiculous claims that our President, and yes your President too, is a terrorist Muslim. So far from the truth that anything you say cannot be deemed credible…

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Firefight…this is mostly the result of a public education. The true purpose of our public school system in reality has more to do with control than it does with learning.

        John Taylor Gatto has 30 years of teaching experience in the “public school” system and has written extensively on the subject. Two very revealing and recommended reads are “The Underground History of American Education: A School Teacher’s Intimate Investigation Into the Problem of Modern Schooling ” and “Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling” both available at Amazon or thru Gatto’s website.
        http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/aboutus/john.htm

      • samurai

        You are right Firefight. Just ignore rightsfighter and G.H. as they are obviously well paid trolls. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Michael J.

        Firefight,
        Add two more names to the useful idiots list. Rightsfighter and GH.

    • Vicki

      Jesse Fell says:

      Barking mad, all of you! You are naive fools, too — eager to swallow any tall tale that supports what you want to believe in the first place.

      Projecting much? Judging from the lack of supporting evidence the people who accept the tale of Obama’s past (with no supporting evidence btw) would seem to be the naive fools.

      • Jesse Fell

        Actually, this should be a simple matter to resolve. If the long form birth certificate never existed in fact, as a piece of paper, then the .jpg or other image that we see of it was, from the beginning, a digital image, and was created in digital editor such as Photoshop.

        Such digital images are fairly easy to identify as such. Digital editors create characteristic patterns of pixels that are distinguishable from the patterns in digital photographs.

        If Sheriff Arpaio and friends analyzed the pixels in the image that we have been shown, and found it to a product of a digital editor, I would like to see this analysis. Kindly post a link to his analysis of the pixellation of the image — that is what will settle the issue for me.

      • vicki

        Jesse Fell says:

        Actually, this should be a simple matter to resolve.

        It is indeed. All Obama has to do is give Hawaii permission to let investigators look at the original certificate or the microfilm if they converted to microfilm (would show its place in the roll too)

        If the long form birth certificate never existed in fact, as a piece of paper, then the .jpg or other image that we see of it was, from the beginning, a digital image, and was created in digital editor such as Photoshop.

        Not sure what .jpg you are referring to. Most of us have only seen the PDF that the whitehouse posted on its website. That pdf is the one that was determined to be a probable forgery.

        Such digital images are fairly easy to identify as such. Digital editors create characteristic patterns of pixels that are distinguishable from the patterns in digital photographs.

        If Sheriff Arpaio and friends analyzed the pixels in the image that we have been shown, and found it to a product of a digital editor, I would like to see this analysis. Kindly post a link to his analysis of the pixellation of the image — that is what will settle the issue for me.

        Since no jpg image exists we only have the PDF. Here is some of the analysis of that PDF, a product of a digital editor btw.

        http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/investigators-now-in-hunt-for-forger/

        Hope this helps settle the issue for you.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Vicki…you are one sharp cookie.

        I thank God that you & others like you are on our side. :D

        I’m very appreciative of all your work here…you are an excellent source of information. I hope you became a Delegate for your region. We just did our Caucus and I did what I could do to help vote the Ron Paul supporters in & as back ups.

        Myself…I had to omit myself from that honorable service. I have learned far to much and couldn’t trust myself not to begin speaking about what is “really” going on…I just don’t think the public at large is ready to be hit in the face with what I would say if I “popped” off. LoL.

        But what I did notice & heard was this…our Caucus turn out was 5 TIMES the amount that they expected to see. This is the beginning of the awakening…most didn’t know what was happening or why…they just knew that Obama had to go. They unfortunately, will back whatever Republican is nominated for the flag ship…not knowing that if it’s not Ron Paul, it will be just another Bilderberg/NWO stooge. I’m in agreement that anyone will be better than Obama…but the only clear choice for a true American…is the one who has the most consistant voting record in accordance to the Constitution of the United States. That document is what we have to strive to return to…& Ron Paul is the man to take us there given our choices.

        Dr. Ron Paul…he is the only TRUE choice for America.

        God Bless.

    • hipshotpercusion

      My brother who was a graphic Artist for over 20 years, laughed his A$$ off when he saw both supposed Birth Certificates. Also, I was born in 1951 and have my Birth Certificate and under race for my parents, it says WHITE! Keep drinking the Jonestown Kool-Aid.

      • Jesse Fell

        I want a link to an analysis of the pixellation of the image of the long form birth certificate that we have been shown. That should make it pretty clear whether what we have seen is a photograph of a birth certificate that existed on paper, or whether we are seeing something created in a digital editor.

        That analysis would resolve at least one source of doubt.

      • vicki
    • http://httpaol.com sean murrey ILLInio

      You are the one swallowing thier lies and drinking the lib kool-aid.

    • samurai

      Haven’t made that popping sound yet? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Flo

    The retired government employee that was introduced to a young Obama/Soetoro/Bounel/Soebarah/Shebazz in Bill Ayres mothers yard says he was told he was a foreign student looking for an education is the only new thing I have seen. It seems he is willing to come forward with this if he doesn’t mysteriously die or vanish first.

    • Vicki

      With the NDAA 2012 currently in effect, a mysterious disappearance is certainly easy to do.

  • tim

    The state of georgia and the court system have already proved that obamas birth certificate and social security card is a forgery!!! When is someone gonna get the balls to file charges against this man?????

    • Firefight

      Tim, Our political leaders are not really running things. The ones who put them in office are. Our political leaders are their puppets. Chew on this one for a while. Let’s say, you’ve been handed a really cushy job. You are now earning, NO, not earning…..RECEIVING, a really nice six digit income, you live in a beautiful home in an exclusive neighborhood and your kids now get to go to the school of their choice. You dine at the finest restaurants, rub elbows with movie stars and the latest hot recording artists and you have an exclusive table and membership at the best country club in your state. All you have to do is follow some really simple rules. You don’t go against the wishes of those who handed you this cushy job and you cast you votes where they tell you to. That’s all you have to do and you can retire in four years with the same six digit income you have been handed when they put you into that cushy job. Do you get the picture now? As I see it, the ones who put these political leaders in office are the head of the snake, not the politicians. To kill the snake, you don’t cut off its tail, you know?

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Excellent synapses, Firefight.

        The only way this all can be fixed is if we as a Nation/World begin talking about that which is not talked about…and that is the secret society that exists all around us & is in most all nations across the globe. This group has sown themselves into the very fabric of their host society while their primary loyalty remains with each other & to the oaths they had to swear when they joined their secretive order.

        Once you start looking down the rabbit hole…it begins to boggle your mind on how complex the conspiracy is. Conspiracy Theories stop being theories when the facts are supported by what History has recorded. There is a great deal going on, my brothers & sisters and these forces are trying hard to rewrite History, right before our eyes.

        Once you brush up against the Bilderbergs, the Rothschilds, the Rockerfellers, the Illuminati/Masonic equation during your research…you will begin to see how it all spiderwebs into one another. All of these forces are pushing for the same thing…a one world corporation in control of everything. They are eroding the countries they exist in on purpose to weaken them and to help bring about this utopian, feudalistic society that they wish to implement. Unfortunately, they have gathered such wealth and have placed their children into key positions throughout the world that they are very much in control of the world stage on many levels.

        Humanity is not being allowed to devolope unmolested. Things are the way they are on purpose…this is done with intent to sow discord & to divide the masses. This weakens us and helps allow them to set the stage for their false flag attacks…such as 9/11 and Pearl Harbor. Don’t even think for a minute those were not staged…or allowed to happen.

        My research keeps bringing me back to the same equation & the same forces who are moving & shaking the major events in the world. Do your own research and start reading between the lines.

        A great Conspiracy is occuring and it’s not a theory any more…their money/power trail is plain to see & follow. Also, follow the death trails of those who have spoken out against this vast force…use the internet to gather this information while you can. It looks likely that “they” will sensor it soon…as they are trying to pass legislature to do just that.

        Obama is just a symptom of the Virus that has infected the body of humanity. We are all being misled & lied to by the people who are supposed to be our leaders. They are but the puppets who dance on the strings of those who are actually in control of our world.

        God Bless.

      • Christin

        Brother Patriot,

        Yes, I am in agreement with you.

        The “CIA Creation” report in Bob’s article mentions ‘The Kennedy’s', too… should be no surprise there… what a scam as sc would say.

      • TeenAgedRepublican

        BrotherPatriot Said,

        “Once you brush up against the Bilderbergs, the Rothschilds, the Rockerfellers, the Illuminati/Masonic equation during your research…you will begin to see how it all spiderwebs into one another. All of these forces are pushing for the same thing…a one world corporation in control of everything. ”

        Us Mormons call them Secret Combinations, and their leader knows Cain’s secret. check it out in the Book of Mormon. This is the real deal.

      • Michael J.

        Brother Patriot,
        All roads lead back to the Rothschild’s family. Napoleon knew this, and since then they have only become stronger. They have allready ammassed all the world’s wealth that matters, and are now focused on the only thing left…, Control and the dwindling of the massess to a managable figure, about 500 million. Once acheived, the rest of the planet deemed off-limits to human commoners will become the envisioned Garden of Eden playground in the elites wet-dream utopia.

        Obama is just a local symptom of a global illness, we need to set our sights higher. My Dad taught me that when picking a puppy out of a new litter to playfully poke at the pupps with a stick. Most puppies will bite the stick, but the smart puppies will go after the hand that wields the stick. We need to be smart puppies.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        I’m in in agreement with your post, Michael J.

        Your reference to the 500 million is in regards to the Georgia Guidestones. For those of you who do not know what he was talking about, please do your research using them as your keywords during the search.

        The Georgia Guidestones…America’s Stone Henge. (As a matter of fact, about 3 years ago…it was those stones that began my education regarding the Conspiracy that is occuring to us & the rest of the world).

        Most people do not want to believe the truth. It’s much easier to just try & exist w/out “rocking the boat”. However, if you do this…”put your head in the sand”…then know that you are signing all your loved ones (your childrens children)…you are signing them all up for a world that will not have the freedoms that America is trying to generate for the common man. It will be a version of the 1984 book/movie and there will be the social elite who enjoy the “special treatment & benefits”…while the common man will become the cattle that feeds their every whim.

        I do not believe God will allow this to happen and as a former special forces operative…neither will I or the others out there like me.

        God Bless those who are fighting the good fight.

  • Dee

    Just hope they can get it proven that obummer is ineligible to be president before this election. He has done enought damage to our country.

    • Deerinwater

      Well, ~ it’s done with “facts” Dee. Hard facts, facts that can be validated and proven to the satisfaction of the courts and seated judgeship’s.

      As soon as you’ve got them, tell the people that can do something about it. Until that time, you appears to be attempting to be circumventing America’s general election process with smoke and mirrors. But only a malcontent that might run in the company of the likes of J. Wilkes Booth’s, Richard Lawrence or Frank Eugene Corde of the nation.

      • Michael J.

        Deerinwater,
        Bolderdash !!! Proof allready exist, with more being released on a regular basis. Courts are working in concert to quash the truth. Like the recent fiasco in Georgia where Orly Taitz was set-up to fail by Clinton appointed, Muslim Judge Malihi who purposefuly raised the hopes of those wishing to expose the truth of Obama’s eligibility, only to publicly cut the legs out from under Taitz’s law suit using a baseless ruling that some say resembles Sharia Law.

        Neither blustering bloviation or progressive pontification will prevent
        the continued release of the truth behind Barack Hussein Obama II aka Barry Soetoro and his origins, from being aired eventually.

      • Deerinwater

        Of course! These “facts” are being generated as we speak, exactly as you say they are. people have been working at it for 3 years! My guess it’d take a fork truck to lift it all.

        Bring ‘em! That should keep you occupied for a while. But why not apply you efforts to sound thinking and the merits of the issues, working towards the selection process that confines itself to the ballot box?

        Let us assume for one moment that you are correct, During WWll, we had many under age patriots sign up to be soldiers and go to war. Should we with draw out victories over Germany & Japan on technicality?

        The shear absurdity of you thinking is driven by something you are not forthcoming with for reasons that you cannot share.

        The process of elimination make your motives rather clear without you offering me another word Michael J. and that goes for all of you that promote this insidious claim of illegibility.

        If a sitting US Senator can’t run for President in a Nation comprised of 95% immigrants something is seriously wrong with such rules to began with.

        This is not child play, there is no take backs and do overs. IF you have something, bring it and show your face. A process had been provided for it, but any fraud will be uncover and exposed, those found guilt will face due process.

        Quit hiding in the mob, ~ come forward with it.

        The GOP would love to grind the Federal government to a halt another year, while they still can’t find their a$$ with both hands.

        This is a run out the clock strategy, to win a shallow victory by default. Maybe that’s the kind of government that you want. But not I.

      • Michael J.

        Deerinwater,
        I only supply logical thinking to the hopelessly indoctrinated like yourself once, you’re on your own. But I will leave you with one final thought:
        According to the late Yuri Bezmenov, once the diseased utopians awaken to the realism that the wet dream utopia they strived for will only be enjoyed by the elites they supported, they will become the regimes staunchest enemies and therefore among the first to be eliminated. Useful idiots who have out lived their usefulness.

      • Deerinwater

        Yea, it’s getting hard for a hobbit to leave the house much less the Shire anymore.

      • Deerinwater

        I was thinking about that same thing where “W” had you guys marching lock step to Iraq.

        “This will end to no good”, why can’t they see?”

        But now instead of hating Blunder Bush, you hate all government and anyone that, says, “Hey! wait just a dog gone minute” !

        So what you are telling has already came true and you are living proof!

        Only the men in white suits and butterfly net has not came to gathered you up yet. I’m not going to tell them where you’re at. Shhhhh!

      • http://www.facebook.com/jpacord John Acord

        Michael is right on target. Once Stalin gained control it took him about 5 years to completely eliminate the Bolshevik hierarchy along with millions of their fellow travelers. It did take him a little longer to take out Trotsky who fled Russia. Once entrenched the Stalin sycophants bled Russia dry for the next 50 years. Once you have destroyed the Constitution and its protections all it takes is an ambitious colonel to create a tyranny that wil last for another 50 years until it too collapses. Of course, liberals neither read or understand history or the human condition. They are usually too buzzed out on dope and grass to see reality.

  • Dennis

    Obama is a fraud he is a Muslim terrorist

    • madog2

      Anyone running for or holding office would go to the extreme to prove they were eligible to hold that office. But not the pompus egotisticle muslim lying imposter in the WH. He has continuely laughede of the claims of his forign birth. He really thinks that he is above the law and that any crime he commits is his right without question. The sad part is that the demwitocraps and leftist media and hollywood freaks have made it possible for him to get away with it. Of course we can’t rule out the candy a*sed nutless republican that shake in their shoes at the mention of the imposter.

      • Christin

        madog2,

        Click on the “CIA Creation” in Bob’s article above as see who placed O in this position. According to the report his whole family, O’s father Sr, mother, Grandmother, and step father were all operatives. Files are missing on the days O is expected to have come to America…

        This goes WAY DEEP in the gov… way deeper than his birth & school record cover up.

        PLEASE read the report under “CIA Creation” in Bob’s article.

      • Vigilant

        Christin, I speed read it, and found nothing pertaining to validity (or lack thereof) of Obama’s birth certificate.

      • Greg

        Speed read this… were Obama himself says he is not a citizen of the US:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8

      • Vigilant

        Greg, I’ve seen it before. and that first clip is the most amateurish attempt at dubbing I’ve ever seen. Are you that dense as to not see it? Show me ONE closeup of his lip movements when he was supposed to be saying the key words, and I’ll kiss your backside. It’s a false clip and you know it.

        It’s bogus, doctored clips like this that demonstrate the gullibilty of some people, and the willingness of others to fabricate bogus videoclips that hurt, rather than help, the birther movement.

        Had he actually said this, do you not think the media everywhere would have jumped on it as proof positive?

        Moreover, my posting above addressed neither proof nor disproof of the contention. Read it again and you’ll see that I was saying the CIA expose did not address the birth certificate issue at all, it’s merely a diversion.

  • Barley Hopps

    Forged birth certificate with inconsistent information about which hospital he was supposedly born in, use of the term African American rather than Negro to describe his father’s race, a social security card linked to Massachusetts, a trip to Pakistan when it was off limits for American citizens, no information about his school years at Occidental or Columbia. He is a fake himself! We need to get him out of the White House, telepromptly!

    • Capitalist at Birth

      I believe the ss number would have to have been from Conn.

    • Jim S

      You are correct Barley. That was the first thing I noticed when I looked at the fake Obama birth certificate. The term African American originated in 1987. Obama’s birth certificate, were he born in the U.S. in 1961, would have said Negro. Anyone around at that time would know that. Plus, he is not a natural born citizen because his father was not, at any time, an American citizen. That makes him ineligible to be President.

      The liberals that want to argue can argue all they want, but these are the simple facts and are indisputible. Anyone can do a little research and find these facts to be correct. Of course, once you’ve tasted the Kool Aid, the facts don’t matter. It’s all about the liberals being right at all costs. Damn the facts. The rest of us that don’t follow their line of thinking and support their savior are all just a bunch of stupid, redneck, racists (or whatever other names they can come up with to throw our way).

      • http://home Donna Cox

        His mother is a citizen so he is also. As long as 1 parent is the child is. Believe me I’m not defending this bozo just a fact about citizenship. I thought he was an idiot in 2004, when he was the “beloved” speaker at the Dem Convention. My mind hasn’t been changed.
        I would like to get a copy of the original “Dreams from my Father”, it is rather different from the 2004 REVISED edition.That book alone, tells a intelligent person everything they need to know about..”I am the smartest person I know obama”.

    • Vigilant

      Barley Hopps says, “Forged birth certificate with inconsistent information about which hospital he was supposedly born in, use of the term African American rather than Negro to describe his father’s race, a social security card linked to Massachusetts,”

      Spend a bit of time actually looking at the BC instead of relying on that website for faulty information.

      Nowhere on the certificate does it say “African-American.” It lists the father’s race as “African,” (which is indeed odd) and it lists the mother’s race as “Caucasian.” Find the term “African American” on the BC and I’ll buy you a brew made of barley hops.

      Secondly, the name of the hospital is correct. The 1978 merger became “Kapi‘olani Medical Center for Women & Children,” which makes sense. Obama was ostensibly born in the “Maternity & Gynecological Hospital,” indeed a separate entity from the children’s hospital.

      Third, the origin of the SS card has no bearing on the validity of the birth certifcate.

      Fourth, I indeed believe there are many unanswered questions about his past that need to be explored, but the birth certificate is a dead end. The birth announcements in the Honolulu Advertiser and the Star Bulletin at the time are sufficient for me, in fact they are GREATER proff of birth than any BC, phony or not. .

  • Anthony

    Apparently people named Joe are causing problems for obama. Joe the plumber, Joe the Sheriff, and Joe the Biden. I think it would be good to collect as many joes as possible to surround him. Maybe this would cause him to resign? Just a thought.

    • Ted Crawford

      Hopefuly Anthony, but only after firing Joe the Biden!

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      Do not forget the uproar caused by South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson who dared to call Obama a liar… :)

      • samurai

        He was right and had no need to apologize. :-) FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Deerinwater

        Hmm? For a man that would claim to be a combat vet but in fact has never been in combat with anything meaner then a woman or a wasp. I wouldn’t place much credit in what Joe “the liar” Wilson has to say if I were you.

  • simian pete

    We got to look at this realistically. President Obama, as we all know, is now President…

    I’m saying that he “passed” all the checks for eligibility – in a legal sense. Y’know what I’m saying Bob ?

    Will Sheriff’s Arpaio’s fact finding investigation pay off ? And do the people of Arizona really give a hoot, You know, the same people who re-elected John McCain and gave Mitt Romney the win in the Repub primary ?

    But then again I hear from friends and family that Mr. Obama’s eligibility in some states, to be on the ballot, may be getting jepordized …

    Like scientist, we are observing this experiment – how will it all end. This experiment will end in November 2012 …

    • Richard McDonald

      Did he really pass the test?, was his father a natural born citizen of the united States? , did the Democrate congress acually look into the requirements by the constitution to be eligible for the office of president of the United States before they nominated Obomma? If they did then they completely ignored the constitution of the United States, as Oboma is doing now as president.

      • Corrine

        He was not vented….He got the pass from Palosi….this is treason and they ALL have to be hung !!!

      • Mercy

        I think anyone even attempting to change or bend the U.S.Constitution should be severly fined and sent to prison for a very long time. (No Exceptions)…..But with the collective thought of the Extreme Liberials in this country I hate to think what will happen to our forefathers groundwork for the Land of the Free & the Home of the Brave in the near future.

      • Joe H

        corrine,
        you think P-lousy looks bad NOW?? Picture her after about ten years in a max security!!!! EEWWWWW!!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/wandamurline wandamurline

        It was my understanding and I may be wrong, but Hawaii did not sign off on his eligibilty….Pelosi did. When the birth certificate came up during the campaign, Obama and Hiliary went to a lot of trouble to make certain that McCain was certified as
        “natural born” that way, they took the question off the table for Obama….it is called a “distraction”…it took the question of Obama’s natural born status and put it on McCain because he was born on a foreign military base. This is what the Demorats do….change the subject and get your focussed on another.

    • Firefight

      semian, You say that he passed all the checks? Are you saying that he was properly vetted to be on the ballot for President? I don’t think so. It has been pointed out more than once that none of the states and no one, not even the congress vetted him. All of this was conveniently ignored. I still want to know why. Obama is not a legal President and most of us, who have taken the time to really examine this issue, know it.

      • Christin

        Firefight,

        Oh my gosh, did (any of) you click on the “CIA Creation” in bob’s article above???

        It will blow your mind. A MUST read.
        Our governments and others all “plotting” and “scheming” to keep this leader from rising up, those people from having power, or to hide money moving it from here to there.
        Just so evil.

        And according to the report oblama and his WHOLE family was involved… READ it.

        Oh, what’ a tangled web was woven.’… and still is…

      • Vicki

        I know the CIA is good at keeping secrets but the scope of this conspiracy, if it exists at all, is mind boggling.

      • JUKEBOX

        Obama’s own writings and speeches “PROVE” that he was not properly vetted!

      • simian pete

        I’m just saying , Obama IS President right now. It seems he had “proof” enough .. you notice the quotation marks on “proof” or “passed”. Maybe I should have used dollar signs with quotation marks , Like “pa$$ed” or ” $$PROOF$$” . Throwing $$MONEY$$ at political problems helps them disappear ..

        I wish they throw some cash my way ! HA HA HA !

        What an event ! Watching Obama get re-elected ! I don’t even have to buy tickets….

      • Jude

        I agree he is not a legal president but an illegal immigrant. So why had he been there in the first place and why has he not been impeached. He has got to go if not sooner than in 2012 election.

    • Rural Dweller

      With Obama’s past associations, Ayers etc., he could not pass a classified clearance, yet
      he is Commander in Chief. Figure that one!

    • samurai

      It is impossible to pass legally if you are hiding your entire past. If he is legal, then tell me what passport he used to go to Pakistan in the early 80′s? Americans were not allowed to go there at that time. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. The Indiana Supreme Court is currently reviewing this matter.

    • Vigilant

      simian pete,

      Your posting is the highest level of common sense I’ve seen yet.

      Even Bob Livingston misses the point when he says, “Reporter Wayne Madsen wrote an exposé in 2010 that provided evidence that Obama may be a CIA creation.”

      What does that have to do with the validity of the birth certificate? While Madsen’s exposé may be entirely legitimate, it dos not address the validity of the birth certificate, unless I missed something in the (overly lengthy) writing of Wayne Madsen.

      The whole birther argument is futile and a waste of time. Nothing’s going to change, and the correct channel for our energies should be removing Obama from the White House in November, not going down blind alleys in search of elusive conspiracy.

  • s c

    I’ll let others comment on this topic. All I want to know is whether or not Joe will get invited to the White House for a beer and a sit-down. The odds don’t seem very good, but it’s possible.

    • http://naver samurai

      Alright Sherrif Joe! We knew it was a fake from the get go. This just adds more fuel to the fire to get him out. Get the Community Organizer of the United States out of office. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Vicki

        It’s really fun to watch the people who laughed at birthers for being suspicious of the (obviously forged) Long form birth certificate come out in droves to comment. Sections that typically get around 1000 comments are past 3300 on several sites.

      • absolutely amazed

        The fake is Sheriff Joe, a rather despicable racist to say the very best. How about good old Rush Limbaugh – perhaps the most disgusting human being on the face of the earth. There is a flat out libel/slander case worth billions to the young woman he slandered, not to mention the women of America – and I surely hope he loses his 34 million dollar a year job spouting hatred from morning to night. He wants Sharia law, of all people, appears to want young women stoned for any sexual indiscretion or thought. And surely once all the unwanted Santorum/Limbaugh children are born, they are on their own and once they survive infancy without immunizations or health insurance, they need to get in the work force by 5 or 6 years old to start saving for their future health care costs and retirement – they need to learn that lesson early in life – leukemia could strike at any time, and the cure/treatment is going to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not more. So they should get an early start earning and saving money. There are plenty of jobs in the mines for them, as there were in the 19th century, and we could once again compete with China if we put them back to work in the mills of New England and the Southeast. Boehner and McConnell are right there with Rush as they announced yesterday. Now I wonder if Newt’s wife Callista practiced birth control during their 8 year office tryst, and whether she should be excommunicated for that behavior – and perhaps Newt as well, for indulging in it. Why has she not become pregnant – she was certainly young enough when they began their affair.

      • Firefight

        Absolutely amazed,
        You talk like you know something that the rest of us don’t. Do you know Sheriff Joe Arpaio personally? I don’t think so. Do you know Rush personally? I don’t think so, but you sure talk like you do. Let me educate you on something really up close and personal. Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been to more political rodeos than you can count and it is all because he has the balls to sand up to individuals like you. Individuals who like to spout crap in their uneducated judgments. I know that Sheriff Joe Arpaio is not perfect. None of us are. But his dedication to his ELECTED job has proven out. Why the hell do you think he keeps getting re-elected? He fights the Jeramiah Wrights, the Jesse Jacksons and the Al Sharptons of this world and lets them know who is the boss in his county. When they add pressure and fuel to the fire, he does the same and he fires back with both barrels. What other Sheriff in this whole United States has had the balls to go nose to nose with this administration? Oh, that;s something else that you probably don’t know. For your continuing education, the Sheriff of ANY county is the ultimate law enforcement officer in that county. No one, not even the President of the United States can tell him what to do or how to run his county. That is a fact! In this fight to rid our nation of this tyrannical government, I am 100% behind Sheriff Joe Arpaio…….and, remember what I said about the line being drawn in the sand.

      • Stuart Shepherd

        Absolutely Amazed-
        Are you insane!? Or do you you just have that “I should have the special right to kill a baby” psychosis?!

      • http://INTERNETEXPLORER DELORES

        how in the hell can you do that when a child is born in this world it goes in2 the record books until you need it again i guess did you forged the dr. name on the birth c.well i guess ev1 b.c. must fored 2 he didn’t put us in 2 war’s most of all the jobs shut down up brush in the white house everything was shot 2 hell people lost money their homes all the money went on both war’sokay you want put a gop back in office go head do that i bet you we’ll be back in another war again @ who will fight in a war again think don’t want 2 hear no bull back

      • Vicki

        absolutely amazed amazes himself by writing:

        The fake is Sheriff Joe, a rather despicable racist to say the very best.

        How liberal of you. Ad hominem attack 1 and with no evidence.

        How about good old Rush Limbaugh – perhaps the most disgusting human being on the face of the earth.

        Ad homienm attack 2 and with no evidence

        There is a flat out libel/slander case worth billions to the young woman he slandered, not to mention the women of America –

        Proof by bald assertion (no evidence offered)

        and I surely hope he loses his 34 million dollar a year job spouting hatred from morning to night.

        Proof by bald assertion. Easy to disprove. Just read/listen to him and you will find little hatred of people. You might find some evidece of hatred for policies and actions and sins but you have to work at that.

        He wants Sharia law, of all people, appears to want young women stoned for any sexual indiscretion or thought.

        Now there is a libelous statement.

        And surely once all the unwanted Santorum/Limbaugh children are born, they are on their own

        Ad hominem attack and libel in one package. Oh and no evidence that Santorums children or Limbaughs children are or were unwanted. (Btw Rush LImbaugh has no children so there must be a different Limbaugh you are talking about. David pehaps?)

        and once they survive infancy without immunizations or health insurance, they need to get in the work force by 5 or 6 years old to start saving for their future health care costs and retirement

        Proof by bald assertion. Easily disproved by talking to or observing them or their children.

        (the rest of amazed amazement ignored as obvious nonsense. Well most of the above was too but served to illustrate just how.

      • eddie47d

        Joe Arpaio is as onerous as Andrew Breitbart (rest his soul). Both had vendettas against Obama and are proven to have an agenda. Taking Joe’s word on this issue isn’t going to happen and he is only seeking revenge.

      • Michael J.

        Absolutely Amazed,
        I think limp wristed, liberal commie progressives and normal people who want to, should most definitely take advantage of contraceptives. To bad Obama’s mother didn’t, in fact, too bad she didn’t swallow !!!

        BTW, nice paste-job.

      • Michael J.

        Eddie47d,
        Aren’t you just a little suspicious about the fact that Breitbart died of a heart attack just hours before the release of the purported end-all Obama expose? That at the ripe old age of 43, he was pronounced dead of natural causes in less than two hours of his passing despite not yet being examined by an official coroners report?

        Breitbart’s Obama expose video will reportedly be aired on the Sean Hannity show within the next 10 days. Whether or not it will be aired as Breitbart intended remains to be seen.

      • eddie47d

        Obviously Breitbart (rest his soul) suffered from hypertension and was a walking heart attack (he was jogging at the time). He was one stressed out dude who put more pressure on himself than he could handle. His obsessions were as wild as his accusations.

      • carolinerh

        Had hoped for more than we already knew about the birth certificate. Here is a man who can produce no documentation of his existence under ANY name and yet he is pushed to the White House – this means he is backed by some serious people who are slowly but surely taking over America. I would also comment that when liberals have nothing to back up anything, they resort to libelous or scandalous remarks verbally and in print as I have seen in several of comments herein. Children they are – whiny, afraid, and think that we are crazy and the Sheriff anyone else who loves this country is crazy or has a vendetta. Gee, people look at yourselves in the mirror and those epithets are yours, not ours! I do hope more comes out because I fear we won’t be allowed to vote in November due to more takeover! America is on the edge. Are we ready to protect our country?

      • http://gravatar.com/eddiew1 eddiew1

        Maybe Joe will end up suddenly dying…like Breitbart!! He was going to release video’s about Obama’s past!!
        Obama has the “right” to assassinate Americans! So if it’s useful to him…Goodbye Joe…and any other American who gets in his way!
        Hopefully he will DECLARE that Obozo, our Liar in Chief is ILLEGALLY in the White House!! Wonder if that would give Congress any guts?

      • AZ Don

        Absolutely amazed

        Sheriff Joe Arpaio is a fake? Well I live in Arizona, Maricopa County, and I have met Joe and I say you are wrong but I would like to know why and how you made that determination. Therefore, I have to ask you to prove your accusation.

        So you don’t like Rush Limbaugh. Guess most of what I said above goes here as well. As far as the most disgusting person on the face of the earth that position of infamy has already been taken by obama. While second place (a close second by the way) is taken by holder. The reason obama is the most disgusting person on the face of the earth is most obvious, but just in case you don’t know some of the reasons are: he is a compulsive liar, promotes class warfare, is attempting to fundamentally transform the United States of America into a socialist, communist, totalitarian dictatorship with himself as the permanent ruler. He makes no effort to hide the fact he wishes to confiscate all guns and would do away with the second amendment if he could. He has also illegally by-passed congress on more than one occasion. For Holder his is just a raciest assistance to all the above that obama does. The two of them together have done more to try to bring down this country so they can install their own government mentioned above. You it would seem are a part of the problem.

        You are really confused about Rush it seems. If anyone wishes to install sharia law it would be the current muslim in the white house. He was raised a muslim no matter what you say and that is a provable fact. Actually Rush would even fight for your rights just as many of us would. We do know however, you would not do as much for us.

        The rest of your rants here make no since at all (not that any of them did). Consequently I will offer no reply. Frankly I really do not think you are worth the first rebuttal but the others who read these pages are. Have a nice day.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        eddie says “Joe Arpaio is as onerous as Andrew Breitbart (rest his soul). Both had vendettas against Obama and are proven to have an agenda. Taking Joe’s word on this issue isn’t going to happen and he is only seeking revenge.”

        DUH! eddie will never realize the obvious…does he think Obama has an agenda? Of course not because like all of the other sheep that blindly support Obama, he has been programmed to “follow without question” and accept…which he does so with a strong allegiance to his fellow liberals. His resistance to reality is beyond question. His comments are beyond reality.

        Breitbart to release the Obama Harvard tapes.
        http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1839/818/NL/

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:

        Joe Arpaio is as onerous as Andrew Breitbart (rest his soul). Both had vendettas against Obama and are proven to have an agenda.

        Evidence dear. Evidence. Like Obama’s BC you can’t offer what does not exist.

      • Michael

        To Absolutely Amazed: in the interest of cooperation, and seeing as how you support abortion so strongly, I would be willing to allow you to use my pistol if you ever have the desire to “self abort”. I offer you mine because you seem to be the kind of extreme left liberal that rejects any constitutional rights that do not directly benefit you or your ideas. That means that you probably don’t own a gun. Just trying to be helpful. Call if you need me.

      • Dennis48e

        Vicki the only proof eddie ever has is his over active imigination.

      • eddie47d

        You betcha that Obama has an Agenda and so did Breitbart and so do all politicians.

      • Firefly

        I can’t say who Obama is or where he originated but it is clear that the CIA had nothing to do with making the long form. I have no doubt that if they had it would not be so easy to see that it’s a fake. By the way Obama may not know this himself. He actually seems to believe much of what he says. Unlike Clinton, though, he doesn’t seem to learn and that will be his downfall. It may also be ours.

        As for what Rush Limbaugh said about Sandra Fluke I don’t listen to talk radio, but I hope she surely is a fluke. I was surprised at how much promiscuous sex she was admitting to, and worry about the next generation if this is the kind of liberal lawyer who will be running the bureaucracy in a few years.

      • samurai

        Absolutely amazed? It is amazing for you to think that you are so smart, but in reality, you are very much the less intelligent one here. Lokk at this and weep:

        http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/sheriff-joe-arpaio-cold-case-posse-video-on-obama-selective-service-fraud/

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. This proves that he did not sign up for selective service, as is required by law. Also, he couldn’t be drafted. You can’t draft immigrants into the military, now can you?

      • Ron

        Like the Reaganites use to say. America, love it or leave it.

      • Ron

        Birthers are idiots looking to jail Abe for shooting John Wilkes Booth. Good luck. How can grown a@@ people be so small minded??????????????? internet loonies.

      • Joe H

        Samurai,
        the thing that I caught real quick was the channel I caught the report of Breightbarts death on said “natural causes” about five or six times in about three minutes. were thet trying to convince us or themselves???

      • http://naver samurai

        I think they were trying to convince us, but failed miserably Joe H. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Sirian

      LOL!!! Now wouldn’t that be a hoot! LOL!!! Wait a sec, s c, what if Holder was sitting at the table too?? LOL!!!

    • Moosedrool

      They might slip him a mickey in that beer and give him the Brietbart treatment. Sheriff Joe needs to be careful and watch his back.

      • sunshineIQ

        The government knows more about all of us than we know about our elected president. How and why do people in power let him get away with it? Maybe they don’t want the Breitbart treatment. All that needs to be done is for Obama to be straightforward about his past. So much for transparency. Such chutzpah! In the casino the house always wins. The people lose.

    • http://love4you Gary Martin

      ”JOE” is Obamas # ONE ”PIRIAH”..he is too close to the truth revealing the most gigiantic fraud ever perpetrated on the American public…the press simply shrug and say ”so what”
      he is just too powerfull to have as your enemy…..Remember, Golberg’s book ”the slobbering love affair between the press and the OBAMA TWINS”…..SORRY i think you have the MESSIAH
      for another 4 years

    • JUKEBOX

      Why do you think Eric “The Weasel” Holder is trying to make a case against Sheriff Joe?

      • Jeep

        Tit for tat? Naww…couldn’t be…

      • green

        you are correct

    • Blue Devil

      To Whom It May Concern — I have, in My Documents folder, a Birth Certificate for one Barack Hussein Obama II. The Certificate number is 32018, and was issued by Coast Province General Hospital of Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya. It carries the stamp and signature of the hospital Chief Administrator, the Supervisor of Obstetrics, and the Attending Physician. It also has the footprint of the child, and what appers to be the embossed seal of the hospital. If anyone out there can tell me how to send it to this forum, I will post it. Otherwise, you will have to take my word for it.

      • RichE

        OMG! You should hand carry it to Joe. Do you need money for transportation?

      • Blue Devil

        RichE — I would be surprised if Sheriff Joe does not already have it!

      • Joe H

        Oh hell, rich instead of trying to make him look like a fool, tell him how to send it!! I would but I’m not computer savy! See what the guys got!! What can it hurt??

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        You mean this Kenyan Certificate Of Birth for Obama?

        http://www.theobamafile.com/_people/LucasSmith.htm

      • http://naver samurai

        Good one Jeff H., fellow patriot. Let’s keep up the good fight for this country. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Deerinwater

        I hope you didn’t anybody anything for it!

      • AZ Don

        If you are talking about the one with the foot print, I have it also. I suspect Joe does as well. I live in Arizona and would be glad to hand deliver it if he doesn’t.

        Keep in mind these guys did it the right way, they sat out to try to prove he was entitled to be president. They found he may not be. Many left wing extremist will attempt to discredit Joe and the cold case posse but it will not work.

    • Dick Stumpf

      THESE PEOPLE ARE SICK PUPPIES. DON’T WASTE TIME ARGUING WITH THEM.

      • samurai
      • http://www.facebook.com/Branded969 Vic Bailey

        It’s funny that EVERY COUNTRY in the WORLD knows that Bama was born in Kenya except the STUPID people in AMERICA that think this MORON can walk on water! Bama wants to be a Dictator at any cost, even if it means killing all of the people that will NOT side with him! The American people need to wake up before it’s too late! Semper Fi.

    • trackfodder

      Gee maybe AZ will get 8.4 billion to build a couple atomic generating plants too if they drop it. I hope the Bilderbergs don’t take out Joe with a “heart attack” too.

    • Joe H

      sc,
      I’m more worried about Sheriff Joe living THROUGH this expose!! Look at Breightbart!

      • astella1

        I am all for sheriff Joe,some of us already knew about Oboma not being from The Good Old USA,thats why we did not vote for him.Yes,i am worried about Joe’s safty.Oboma has cost the american people more than all the other president’s put togather,don’t think this is true?,look it up>Why is Oboma stilll in OUR White House?

    • Greg

      In this video Obama admits he is not a citizen of the USA, He does admit he is a citizen of Kenya and he is a muslim, Listen and get mad, real mad:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8

      • Judy Behm

        Please send the link to the sheriffs possee. I’m not sure they have seen it.

    • http://gravatar.com/wandamurline wandamurline

      I believe a little quote from Obama says it all “If someone will not bring all the information forward, it means that they have something to hide”. Well now, what about bringing forward the school records and the passports from the 80′s and let us look at the real, original birth certificate that is supposedly held in the Department of Births in Hawaii. Bring it forward so you have nothing to hide, Mr. Obama.

    • http://none don crites

      Obama is a fraud, He was born in Keyna which has been proven. In short he should be run out of the jWhite House and placed in Lavenorth (the big house) as soon as possible so we can once again have our country back.

      • http://crybabies crybabies

        Who took your F-en country and where did they take it???? I’M looking out side window and is stil there. maybe you fools need glasses

      • Bellagram

        It has *been proven* that he was born in Kenya? By whom? Where is the proof – proof that has not been debunked. Someone said something about his selective service document being forged – get an independent examiner to corroborate these claims and more people may pay attention. Does not help that this same person commented that immigrants cannot be drafted since it makes no difference since the draft went out when the President was around 12 years old, so yep, he could not have been drafted.

      • Deerinwater

        It’s Obama Sir name that’s confuses them, if his mother had named him Amos Moses, he’d fly under their radar. ;-)

      • Bellagram

        I think you are right. Barack H Obama Sr. certainly was born in Kenya (or someplace in Africa), and his mother (President’s paternal grandmother) very certainly was present at *her* Barack’s birth (kind of hard not to be present at one’s child’s birth – if you are the mom). But that is too sensible for some people to grasp.:)

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