The current Income Tax system has been falling apart for years!

The fact that the code is almost 75,000 pages long is bad enough, but that number does not even take into account the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pages of tax publications, instruction booklets, revenue rulings and tax court cases.
As a result of all its massive complexity and contradictions, the current Income Tax code has proven not to work and the problems it has are inherent within the mind numbing code itself.

So at this point it is next to impossible to fix all the inequalities and contradictions strewn throughout the code.

The only solution is scraping the whole thing and starting over and finding more sane ways to tax people.

The current tax system with its out-of-control Alternative Minimum Tax and all the different rates and deductions and credits, not to mention all the countless and mind numbing rules and regulations covering every single movement of money from one person to another, is not going to be able to sustain itself much longer

Something has to be done before this whole Income Tax system collapses on itself and the American people.

Flat Rate Tax is the only way to Go.
Jobs we Need them, Jobs that Produce Something.
We would need these jobs for the People that Produce Nothing, Which would happen if we had a Flat tax for evey one, Including Corporations. No deductions,Min Paper work, The IRS would lose its Power over the People
Amazing how it would Produce more Money for the Country.
Only Citizens or Legal Aliens would be allowed to work and draw Govt Benifits.
Mexican Govt. Helps People come to the US because of all the Money that gets returned to Mexico ea year. Less Mexico has to spend on its People.Not counting the Millions we send in Aid.
JOBS is the key Word, People need jobs to pay their share.
SPENDING by our Govt needs to be Controlled.
USELESS WARS need to be stopped, But it will not happen.Afganistan, Iraq, The pay offs. Leader of Pakistan, Leaders of The Northern Alliance, The Kurds. Millions and Millions and Millions of tax payers money to buy their Friendship. Not counting the Millions to pay for the others in Afganistan and Iraq. But its OK WE paid for these scum Buckets. I recall these Friends for Freedom RENTED us Horses and Saddles, Prices kept getting Higher, So we decided to help our Friends and give them 1000 US saddles that cost the Tax Payer 1000.00 ea. SO much for People that want to Fight for their Freedom.Heck we will fight YOU just have to Pay us.
IVE come to the conclusion that WE are our own worst Enemy.

I agree with Mike. I assume this is where this bottom “50%” pay no taxes comes from? I make $45k a year and pay about 9.5% in federal tax, 6% in state and 7.65% to SS. $45k has to be somewhere near the bottom. I have no children, single, etc. Instead of rewarding people to have children (in my school district it cost $9,500 a year to send a kid to school) they should be penalized, not rewarded. The world just crammed it’s 7 billion’th (spelling, I know) person onto the soil. In 1955 there were 2.7 billion. How long can this go on and still be able to feed everybody?

As far as the taxes, if a family making $50,000 a year, has 3 kids there’s $28,500 in expense to school the kids They get 3 tax deductions plus a mortgage deduction, etc the government probably sends them extra money in April yet they cost a fortune. Don’t penalize us hard working single people, penalize the people costing all the money.

Your TAX dollars support only the “TRIBUTE” we all pay to the 13 BLOODLINES.

Thus there is no such thing as “FAIR SHARE TAX”, nor is there any real need for any Income Tax. You don’t owe anyone anything!

Please wake up people..

Why in the name of GOD would you wish to exchange your old chains for new chains. Really is that really logical?
If you say yes, then would you please tell me in what world would that be.

PEACE & LOVE my Brothers & Sisters.

Although Democrats whine about the top 2% not paying enough taxes they never mention the bottom 98%. This of course includes the 50% or so that pay no income taxes at all. Republicans have stepped in to protect their base, the top 2%, and everyone else is thrown in as an after-thought. Those complaining about people not paying income taxes should realize that it is the Bush tax cuts that are most to blame. One component of the precious middle class tax cut is the child tax credit. This along with the personal exemptions and standard deduction shelters about $51,000 in income for couples with three children. This comprises about 50% of working Americans. The Bush tax cuts should be repealed, all of them.

Everybody worries about everybody else’s money. While the people in government raise their own pay, print the money to pay it, we should be arguing about our own money?

Wow, the entire point of this article is to get the people scrapping & fighting with each other while the banksters and globalist corps and majority of US corps who pay zero taxes, go scott-free. Word up, your taxes don’t pay for diddly, it’s a token sum really, meant only to harass the people and keep the value of currency artificially high, while Helicopter Ben depreciates it’s value by giving it to EU banksters, who after all, are major stock-holders in the Federal Reserve (private) bank. If the Fed can buy currency for cost of printing, mere paper & ink, and then lend it back to US @ face value, what percent do you think your taxes really pay for, out of $16 TRILLION! But if you really want a “fair” tax, here’s an easy way– ding money transfers, 1/10th of a percent on all goods sold in USD, domestically and internationally. To give you an example, in 1995, $555 TRILLION dollars passed through the FRB of NY in ONE YEAR, and now you can be sure, is so much more.
1/10th of a percent on hundreds of trillions, is a lot of money, and no one would even feel it, everyone would pay, and the banks are already set up to do it, all that needs to happen is Congress pass a law and instruct the banks to with-hold it. But it will never happen, because it makes too much sense.

The original income tax was 7% of all incomes in excess of $500,000. A hundred years ago when the prohibition advocates ( the social conservatives of their day) pushed through the federal income tax to make way for prohibition (prior to the income tax, excise taxes on alcohol provided 40% federal revenue). Obviously, in 1913 99.9%+ of federal income tax was paid by the top .001% of the taxpayers.

Depressions occur after investment bubbles burst. It is not just a coincidence that tax cuts for the rich have preceded both the 1929 and 2007 depressions. The Revenue acts of 1926 and 1928 worked exactly as the Republican Congresses that pushed them through promised. The dramatic reductions in taxes on the upper income brackets and estates of the wealthy did indeed result in increases in savings and investment. However, bubble overinvestment (by 1929 there were over 600 automobile manufacturing companies in the USA) and excessive improvident lending caused the depression that made the rich and everyone else ultimately much poorer.

The 10% and 15% Federal tax brackets should be temporarily reduced to zero. For married taxpayers this would exempt all income below $70,700 from taxation. This would be a $9,735 tax cut for all couples with taxable incomes of $70,700 or more and less amounts for others with less taxable incomes. Additionally, all personal payroll taxes should be suspended. As with the current 2% payroll tax cut, the treasury should make the trust funds whole. This would put $6,120 in the pockets of a household that had $80,000 in wages. Thus, proving about $15,000 to the typical middle class family. It would increase the deficit. However, with the current levels of interest rates and the actual profits made by issuing t-bills at negative rates the long-term costs will be less than they were in WWII. When Obama was campaigning for president he called for a $1,000 middle class tax-cut. On the day he took office the correct amount to end the depression was probably close to $15,000. Congress passed an $800 middle class tax-cut as part of the stimulus package.

Wrong the bottom 30 percent of the income tax payers do not take out more in proportion they they put in. One in order to pay income tax you have to have an income. No income no taxes. The problem is the the very wealthy have huge incomes from many different sources many of which they pay no taxes on. The huge expenditures on the military is spent on protecting the property and income of the rich. Most of the Federal spending is spent on regulating the wealthy’s business interests and protecting certain business interests at the expense of others. Social Security income and Medicare has been paid for by taxes the individuals receiving the benefits paid in. If you paid nothing in you get nothing out. And in the baby boomer generation many times both spouses paid into Social Security and Medicare unlike our parents’ generation. We will be less costly because we are healthier and one person’s pay ins is not paying to cover two people’s benefits like in our parent’s generation.

The baby boomers have paid the benefits for the Great Generation and I being at the forefront of the baby boomers like President Clinton and President Bush have only begun to collect our benefits. So all of the programs included in Social Security and Medicare were there for the Great Generation who fought World War II and in Korea.

Baby boomers have not burdened these programs yet and many of them are still wage earners when they can find a job so at times they will still pay in. And if you don’t pay any Social Security or Medicare taxes you do not receive benefits except through your spouse who has paid taxes and if you are a minor child of a tax payer.

Almost no money is being paid out in cash by welfare anymore and food stamps are for everybody in times of need and benefits the who food industry and keeps the population better fed and healthier and a smaller burden on the medical industry.

The Federal government insures that our economy is nation wide and not just in small pockets which also helps the rich get richer. The poorer people are a labor pool for the rich and they have a very basic standard of living and own very little property. The poor through rents pay the property taxes of the rich through their rent.

The rich are not thanking God for their bounty but are greedy for more. Just why are the rich envious of the poor. If their great wealth brought happiness and generosity then the rich would be begging to pay more taxes in appreciation for all they have. What is wrong with the rich??

Boy I get a laugh out of some of the lap dog logic. Talking about the welfare grabbers paying taxes.. That is just recycling govt booty. In order to pay anything you have to have produced something. You ca just stand there handing a 1000 D bill around in a circle but nothing has been accomplished, Except wear out the bill. Remember Every thing is like MaMa obammas left boob, taint right or it aint fair..

Its math, do a bell curve. You’ll see the top has more income. If two people are in the same tax bracket, 25% and one’s taxable income is 1 million and the other’s is 100 thousand then the first pays 250 thousand in taxes and the second 25 thousand for total revenue of 275 thousand. Even though both paid at the same tax rate, 25%, the first paid 90% of the total revenue and 2nd 10%. The top pays more because the make more.

Ron Paul’s ideas are here for the right time in history. We go back to being a republic where everybody has a fair shot, or we continually cottle the losers while badmouthing the achievers, and stealing all we can in a manner to discourage growth of the private sector while creating that greater shift towards dependency, the dependency not being adequately recognized since it is paid for out of borrowed money.
What a perfect recipe for catastrophic failure Best to batten down all the hatches, last thing to do is squander anything as “an investment” since the government as it is, may now use military power to come in and steal your stash, no matter how well hidden, simply by deciding you are a terrorist based on anonymous statements by unknown sources. The whole situation mandates full acknowledge of the importance of the 2nd amendment. Exercise those rights now, before big business who controls the manufacture of arms, cottles to the whims of an overbearing dictator with a distaste of freedom for the achievers. With our military strength as it is, there is no safe haven…..fool yourself if you wish, but the corrupt are many in number and cowardice.

The whole idea that people should be able to get more money back than they paid into the tax system is badly flawed. I can understand those who do not make enough to get pas the lower limit getting what they paid in back but getting more is absurd. Then you have the people who try and complain that the sales and state taxes should somehow determine what they get back. That is another flaw in the system. If you want to get money back from what you paid into the state then you should be talking to the state. Spending must be reduced before it leads to the kind of currency destruction that lead to WW2.

Most of the above is true. The “Earned Income Credit” allows people with a small income to “get money back” even though they have paid nothing in. And I am talking about “thousands back”.

As a former tax perparer, I find most have heard of the EIC, but because it does not affect them they don’t know much, if anything about it.

I was preparing a return for a girl working to put herself through college. I checked the EIC and she did not qualify because she did not have a child. If she had had an illegal chilc she would have qualified for several thousand “back”.

Yes, this ‘fair share’ is rapidly becoming a nauseating drool out of Washington’s mouth. Another attempt at diverting attention away from money grubbing idiots there.

however…

Most of this is in the name of ‘fooor thee chiilldreeen’. At least, that is what it appears to me. It may not be actually spoken in these scolding diatribes from class war mongering politicians, but that is the underpinning of handing out money, whether in the form of welfare or tax ‘refunds’. Any attempt at cutting the entitlement, both of the welfare mommies (a title handed out with no consideration of actual ability) and of working parents, is met with the braying of outraged liberals and folk who want their breeding subsidized. “What about the chiiildrren?” ..Gag me with a spoon. Sadly, the outcome imo, (and what I have observed most of my life) when what children REALLY need comes into conflict with what their narcissistic parent(s) desire, the child LOSES.

Mankind, it’s need and wants are like unto a black hole. It devours all available resources, never fills up, merely grows larger and demands even more.

two cents ¢¢

The entire problem of who’s paying and who’s not paying could be solved quite easily. It’s called a FLAT TAX. Eliminate the present IRS monster and implement a FLAT TAX of say 5%, across the board, no exceptions. Fill out a small tax card once a year and send it in – simple. Most people have enough between their ears to handle that. Most. Uh oh, forgot, think of the thousands and thousands of people that would be put out of work if the IRS is dissolved down to a point of near next to nothing. Uh Oh, forgot, think of the number of tax attorneys that would no longer be necessary – they’d really like that wouldn’t they? Uh Oh, forgot, think of the number of people that would be put out of work for H&R Block and various other such businesses. Uh Oh, forgot, think of the number of people that would be put out of work – CPA’s, scores upon scores of them. Oh no, we can’t do something so terrible and destructive to so many people’s livelihoods. Really? So What! We have been pushed into a wonderland of deficits galore as the 535 continue to play with all of us – they have been having so much fun. This entire area has been jawed over for years and look where we’re at. We’ll take care of you, spend – spend – spend, it’s so much fun!!! Sound familiar?

Durham Ellis,
Thanks for pointing that out!!! Now if all the freeloaders that this country has would realize that, we just might get somewhere. Unfortunately , we are stuck in gimme, gimme, gimme land!!!!!

“Right now about 70 percent of Americans take more out of the tax system than they put into it, according to the Tax Foundation.” This pertains to Mexicans. Most of which are illegal and a bunch of leeches.

Zero is the fair share each person should pay to fund the thousands of illegal (unconstitutional) programs our DC employees authorized.

The problem is not taxes; the problem is spending.

I think that it is a crying shame that according to The Tax Foundation the bottom 50 percentile of the US working population make so little that they don’t even trigger an income tax payment requirement. There is something drastically wrong with a country where so many people who have jobs are earning so little. I can remember a time when everyone I knew had to pay income tax and I remember having to scramble to make up the difference between what was withheld and what I owed on my $1,800 annual income as a staff sergeant. Of course, that $1,800 bought a lot more than $18,000 does now.

When you own and control 80%, a 70% contribution sounds understandable.

Once you get past the idea of ‘fair’ and ‘fair share,’ it might be possible to get close to a system that actually works. The main problem for now is a government out-of-control and bent on pretending to care about a chunk of the populace that pays NOTHING [and gets away with it].
When you pay NOTHING, HOW can that be be either fair or somehow close to a fair share? Even if someone was so strapped that IF they paid as little as $1 in an attempt to be fair for having paid their “fair share,” it’s better than NOTHING.
People who pay NOTHING are being used and abused by a power-mad government. It is a disgusting form of class warfare, and it is consciously being waged by those who hide behind the idea of ‘too honest or too qualified to fail.’
I don’t know much about the Tax Foundation, but I do know that as long as we have a prez who talks about jobs but refuses to do anything constructive about jobs is playing with a stacked deck of faked cards.
Man up, Mr. prez, and at least TRY to honor your “sacred” oath. Anything less proves that when you talk about hope and change, you really mean you HOPE that America will never recover from the permanent CHANGE caused by your America-destroying schemes that perfectly define your administration.