Marco Rubio, as much as I like his rhetoric, is equally unqualified for the Office of President for the same reason Obama is unqualified. His parents were NOT YET CITIZENS at the time he was born in Florida, so he also is not a Natural Born Citizen.

Republicans need to be INFORMED citizens if ever hope to prevail…

Michelle, you have now resorted to childishness as well as lost your ability to spell. You have absolutely no credibility with a post such as this one. Perhaps you should take your toys and leave now.

You seem to stuck on that word childish to brand people who point of view you are obviously too ignorant to understand. Your brain must be being swallowed by that large mass of antimatter lodged in your brain.

Hey Machelle,
Liberty says;”You have absolutely no credibility with a post such as this one. Perhaps you should take your toys and leave now.”
When did Bob Livinston died and left you Liberty Train the sole ownership Of this website?Ha Ha Ha

Coal you are so childish. Always have been in your posts. This site is called Personal Liberty and we are granted that privilege here…unlike the left’s sites.

Oh dear Michelle, a bit hostile are we?

Well Michelle, I would suggest that Libertytrain has an extremely large brain compared to yours. In fact, if we were to extract your brain and put it a Jaybird, it would flip upside down and fly backwards.

Just the facts, sorry!

Liberty trains brain is so big because it is full of hot air which is ever expanding. Boy does he like to share it. Now I know what is causing global warming. Its all of the hot air leaking from his head.

Goodness michelle, is that your education displayed here…. Poor dear.

Well Michelle, be sure to care Al Gore and report this incident so he can add it to his global warming database.

LMAO!!!! ):> You people never cease to amaze me. Is it the chemicals??????

Kookie, When I spent my allowance frivolously and with no respect for its value, my parents closed the wallet and purse. We need to do the same, problem is the place where one works is withholding your tax money, invalidating the volunteerism nature of the tax as described by law. They will always find a way to skin our cat, they all work for themselves and not for us. We need to stop the money flow that makes all this insanity possible.

Kookie – you and I know what you are really saying: Merely because Obama is not 100% white, he divided the country – between the bigots and those who are open and tolerant. Please go back to 1840 and live there, and let the rest of us move forward. I can’t find a reference to jumbo jets or interstate highways in the Constitution, let alone the telephone or TV, or now the iPhone and the internet. Where did our forefathers go wrong?

But he has already proven that he is eligible to be President. Repeatedly. How long are you going to keep asking for the same information over and over again? Demanding a different answer because you don’t like the factual one, is not going to work.

ALL that is necessary to prove that a person is eligible to be President is a state-issued, state-certified, on any form the state chooses to issue it on, CB/COLB. Nothing else. Any argument that says otherwise is futile because it is not fact, or legally, based.

Romney,Gingrich and to some degree Santorum are liars and deceivers also. Many of you have jumped into this dog and pony show against Obama and claim you have vetted these other candidates. No matter who wins this election it will be a November surprise to be sure of and then we will have a new dog and pony show.

eddie47d: There is only one D/R “respectable” candidate left in the race at this point, and he is unelectable because he can’t clearly enunciate an acceptable foreign policy. That man would be Ron Paul.

No matter what, America has at least four more years of hard times in its immediate future, but four more years of “OBAMA” would probably finish our great country as a “Free Republic”, and reduce us to the level of the many “Social Democracies” in Europe and elsewhere around the world. That’s NOT what I want for my Grandchildren!

Let “FREE AMERICA” stand tall and be reborn, starting right now, where “EQUAL OPPORTUNITY” reigns supreme and “RESULTS” are left up to the individual, each according to his/her ability. That’s what REAL equality is all about…

To Ted G.:
Then concentrate on these bad policies, not some junk that the President wasn’t born in the U.S. and he’s some sort of “Manchurian
Candidate”. Thanks!!

Tony,
I thought I just did. I didn’t say a word about his eligibility or where he was born.

I would rather see Ron Paul be elected Samurai but Dream On! The hatred against Obama is at full throttle and that hatred will be rejected!

Eddie47d,
For once or maybe twice I agree with you, Ron Paul is the best candidate and has been for close to thirty years. One can’t however clean out a cesspool with one drop of Clorox. That is what has become of our government, even with all the warning of the founding fathers to guard against the temptation and propensity for human nature to become corrupt, we failed through our own negligence, laziness and greed, not all of us, but apparently enough to get these people elected time and again.

Maybe they are not so proud, unless they were of the socialist bent, in that case “usramczia y nedamszia, excuse the spelling.

eddie47d,
No one will quibble the fate of the current band of tyranical dictators being run out of town or killed. Question is, what of the Rothschild political surrogates they are being replaced with? Do you think the populaces of the middle east countries in question would be onboard if they new they were now being subjected to the same slow paced progressive agenda of enslavment by the shadowy elites that have nearly consumed this country?

I may have to agree with you and I think most of these rebellions have only forced these citizens out of the frying pan and into the fire.Will they gain anything as time moves on. What is better for them torture, arrest and the lack of rights in the past or the continuous deadly chaos of today?

Now does that mean that Bush/Cheney will be incarcerated on the sunny beaches of Gitmo? LOL

eddie47d,
Any damning evidence you have should be submitted to Eric Holder who will ravenously review it.

Whether or not such evidence exist, it has not been acted upon. Which may suggest to some that all the above work for the same boss.

Another slam dunk by Michael J! LOL

You play the anti-gay card quite often Samurai to stir things up and seldom play fair with your name calling. Shouldn’t you stop first if you expect others to?

Ah yes, Ed tries to ambush me, but fails miserably as nothing has been said about gays. Quit trying to change the subject. Changing the subject? Another classic liberal strategy. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

You bring up gays in a derogatory manner on several occassions on other days so I was only making a comparison for you to figure out. In my opinion no card should be “played” to disparage someone against another and caution should be the order of the day in doing so. Liberals and Conservatives are irritating on that issue.

Eddie,
“In my opinion no card should be “played” to disparage someone against another”. Didn’t you just play the card yourself by introducing the subject??????

The subject of being gay was brought up by someone else (not Samurai)yet Samurai often brings it up so that is why the poke at him.

The term “African American” is modern “POLITICAL” terminology, which did not exist at the time Obama was born. The word “BLACK” or “NEGRO” (Spanish for black) would have been on his birth certificate if it was legitimate, and neither appears there, so his so-called “Birth Certificate” is demonstrably FAKE!

Obama’s race, as of the date of his birth, would have been called “MIXED” and he would have been known as a “MULATTO,” nothing else. That term was derived from the Spanish word “mulato” from the root “mula” or mule.

Obama the “MULE!”

That fits…

All you folks clamoring about BHO african/black/mulato/white/martian need to know how races are clasified. Not being an Anthropologist I always read that It is not by the color of the skin, but rather by bone structure and other “physical attributes” that classify people as Caucasian, Negroid or Mongoloid. Being of mixed parents he is apparently neither Caucasian nor Negroid, but definitely dark skinned.

Hey Mike:
Why don’t you take a ship back to where you’re from, huh !?!
To the rest of you buffoons, Obama is a natural American citizen.
Please get in touch with reality. These conspiracies only make us conservatives look like uneducated fools. Thanks!!

Back in Obama’s birth days, if an individual even had one drop of balck blood, they were considered black.
And in fact, his birth certifake-it states is father was “African-American” which in fact, would have been called Negroe or Black or African as the term African American was not accepted nor coned at that time.
Truly there is so much evidence that his citizenship is questionable or outright non existent, and If Obama was legit, there should be no such problem for his legal eagles to fork it up.
And honestly, these writers who still cling to race as being such a big issue really need to step into the global society we all share now. Who cares what color your skin is? Honestly. That is so olde school…get with the fact! Is he desicating the life out of our constitution or not? Is he going after the power grab so fast that legislature can’t even keep up with the atrocities…

B Fuller, I believe it was in one of his books that he stated he hadn’t really thought of himself as “black” before wh came to the continental USA, because is wasn’t until after he got here that he was treated as a black.

M Cat,

On Obama’s BC/COLB his Father is listed as being African, not African-American. And it is listed that Obama Sr. was born in Kenya, Africa. Both of which were true.

nc,
Vote Obama or Romney in 2012 and then batten down the hatches to weather the Obamney depression on the horizon.

VOTE INSTEAD: RON PAUL ANDREW NAPOLITANO 2012

I’M IN 2012 OBAMA

Louise I don’t know how old you are. Do you have grandchildren or anyone you care about in the future? If not, I would expect your answer as stated. If you care about someone in the future, would you like to see your innocent loved ones, picked off the street and thrown in jail with no trial? Would you like to have the government come to your house (gun in hand) to confiscate your food just because they thought you had more than a weeks worth of food? How would you feel if the government turn OFF your electricity? Are you prepared for that? Do you listen and watch news of around the world. Where would you get this information if you had no electricity? Would you like to see the government take away a child from parents because the child was overweight or did not eat “proper” nutrition?
Do you want the government to regulate your medical treatment. Trust me you will not get the medical treatment you Need. By the way are you an American born citizen?

Remember, this recession didn’t start till September 2008 till now. What has your “messiah” done to correct the situation? Tripled the debt in 1 term, forced Obama Care on us, alienated our allies, spends and borrows and spends some more, has hidden his past, plays golf and takes more vacations than any other president, has a wife who was caught on tape saying “all this for a damned flag”, and many more. His record just doesn’t hold up. I hope Sarah comes back into the race, because she can sweep the field against him. Still haven’t made that popping sound yet? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

@NC: Four more years of this communist/ Marxist/ socialist dictator One Big A@@ Mistake America & we will have no country by 2016.

Looks like my first comment was put on hold again or missing in action. Now watch this one disappear too. Still peddling that nonsense about Obama taking more vacations that any other President Mr Samurai. Obama has also gained us respect in the world again. Except for the showdown with Iran and that could blow up in his face. Although Iran can be a blustering buffoon the bigger threat to security seems to be Israel who wants war with Iran and is trying to egg us into a fight.

Louise, are you smoking some green leafy substance? Are you doing hose fine, white lines? It sure sounds like it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Care to cite a source showing how he has gotten us more respect from the world? I sure can’t see how by how he has slienated our allies. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

My post was for Ed. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Dear eddie47d,

I just this morning released you from probation and you’re already making me regret it. You write: “Looks like my first comment was put on hold again or missing in action. Now watch this one disappear too.” You know why your comments have been “put on hold again or missing in action” as I made you aware of the fact. You also know that comments don’t “disappear” without reason. You are worse than a recalcitrant child.

Best wishes,
Bob

Thank you Bob Livingston I was trying to figure out why I have to sign in after each comment (E-Mail and username). This didn’t happen before last Thursday when you were under maintenance. Then if I went from one article to another my comments wouldn’t show up if I went back to that article. This seems to be frustrating for both of us. My apologies.

eddie47d,
On the subject of vacations, yes he has just taken his 16th. Enough in fact to warrant his own reality show. I beleive it’s called “An Idiot Abroad” although I might be mistaken on this, it sure sounds appropriate.

Nice touch of humor Michael although as of July 2011. Obama had taken 66 days of vacation and G Bush had taken 180 days at this point of his term. George then took the whole month of August off besides that which would be at least another 20 some days. No matter who is in office it does seem like they are gone for too many days. Now that would make for a good argument in how much time off they really deserve. Now I was lucky enough to have a job that gave me 5 weeks vacation after 15 years.That equals 25 working days or about 75 days in 3 years. So that put me ahead of Obama by 9 days and behind G Bush by 36 days.

Wow, what logic! Let’s all get on the NC bandwagon for four more years of the GREAT OBAMANOMICS! 4-5-6 maybe 7 bucks a gallon for gas and 4-5 bucks for a loaf of bread!
8-10-12, heck maybe 20% unemployment by summer’s end. Heck, we can all sit around the campfire and sing kumbaya while smoking a little dope!

WOW! You’re a genius!

Sorry I meant up for office, I do wonder about the people that put him in …

True that! True that! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Has Romney resolved his eligibility issues?

When did a progressive ever have the mental capacity to understand the relevance of anything?

nc,
If Al Gore had become POTUS in 2000, as you seem to be suggesting, The United States would now exist only in the memories of her fondest conservative patriots.

Bush, baaaaa! Wars, baaaaa! Obaaaaama bin Laaaaaden! Chaaaaange! Just can’t get rid of the sheeple fast enough.

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.”

Ronald Reagan

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

illinois his so called home state climbed on board also

wally, Boy I’ll bet that makes Bam Bam real proud!

Commies and socialists are mythical beings drummed up by light headed right wing conservative pyrenoids to give themselves an excuse to take their meds and go out and bay at the moon.

Yep Michelle, try selling that to the MILLIONS upon MILLIONS who have perished under such rule. You ever study history? MORON!

Enriquez may be an actual U.S. citizen, however, there are many that are traitors that we need to be aware of. La Raza is an example. This is an organization that has members of Congress as actual members ie; Raul Grijalva (Az), Guttierrez (Ca.), etc. as well as many state govt. officials. Some of these are suspected of being on the Mex. Cartel payroll. There are thousands of them here and almost every criminal Mex./ Amer. gang claims “La Raza”. Many of the gangs are working with the Mex. Cartels ie; the 18th st. Boys, La Familia, MS-13, etc. High ranking members have printed books preaching that the US stole the SW U.S. and that they are going to take it back, by force. They advocate “VIOLENT REVOLUTION” and “KILL THE GRINGOS”. Also, “SEND THE WHITEYS BACK TO EUROPE”. For verification, google TUSD: Mexican American Studies. Our researchers have found these textbooks being taught to our children and exposed them to the TUSD board and Atty. Gen. which lead to the MAS classes to be cancelled. And now we have the traitor Raul Grijalva complaining to Obama to intervene. Americans need to KNOW THY ENEMY and La Raza is one of the worst because they have permeated our society at many levels, including teachers who advocate the lies and progaganda.

Thanks for the info Rock. I’ll look it up. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samuri, if YOU read the constitution and the US Code YOU would find out that ONLY ONE parent need be a citizen. ANYONE born in the United States is AUTOMATICALLY a citizen–haven’t I seen you complaining about ANCHOR BABIES? Talk about cherry picking, you don’t even look for facts or truth, only what you want to hear and believe.

Obama can never be considered a “natural born citizen” no matter where he was born because his father was not a U.S. citizen. Both parents must be citizens at the time of birth of the child in the USA for the child to be a “natural born citizen” per our Constitution’s framers intent and the “natural law”, as codified by Vattel in 1758 in his legal reference treatise, “The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law”. The “divided loyalties” concerns of the framers of a person who is selected to serve as our President and Commander-in-Chief of our military comes into play.

Thus the framers required a “natural born” citizen only mandate in the U.S. Constitution for the Office of President and Commander-in-Chief of our military.

“Natural born citizenship” is defined in the 250 year old scholarly book, “Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law”, written in 1758, decades before our Constitution and was used as a scholarly reference by our U.S. Constitution’s framers. Some excerpts, “… natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. … in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country”.
http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/goatsledge/20081109%20Obama%20Citizenship%20Facts.pdf

…continued from above post…

When Obama wrote his first book he titled it “Dreams from My Father”. He wrote of his father in Kenya and how his father hoped and dreamed of changing the Kenyan government and the world to Socialism and Marxism. How prophetic Vattel’s words are in describing natural law and the propensity of man to identify with the land of their father. Obama did not write “Dreams from My Mother” and of America for his source of inspiration, dreams, and aspirations. Obama wrote of his father and his father’s Kenyan goals for Socialism and Marxism as his inspiration and his dreams of what he wanted to accomplish in America and for the world.

Notice how no one supports what it is you say Mikeles? I suggest that you reread the Constitution. Both parents must be American citizens. Ah yes, changing the subject to anchor babies are we? Changing the subject when you are in retreat is a classic liberal strategy and have nothing to o with the subject at hand. We patriots are standing tall on the field, so you and your ilk can just leave. He’s not eligible. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Even the Republican Party admits he is a citizen and a Christian. In this country, apparently you are not aware of it, everyone is INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty. In other words, dummy, YOU have to PROVE he is not a citizen, not the other way around. Are you a Mexican? In that country the accused it guilty until he proves himself innocent. Is the that the way you like things to be done? I reiterate, “dummy”!

Mikeles…although Obama may nfact be a citizen…that does not qualify him to be POTUS or Commander in Chief of the United States.

A qualification per the U.S. Constitution for a person to serve as the President of the U.S. is that they must be a “natural born citizen”. The largest group of citizens in the USA are natural born citizens, i.e., those born in the USA to parents who were both citizens of the USA. Many people do not know that there are several categories of citizenship in the USA. Some examples are: Naturalized, Derivative, Statutory, Born, and Natural Born.

Great point Sir……please wake up the Black Folks that drink this frauds Kool-aid.Areest him for treason and send him to Gitmo for his lies.

APN
Barry is not a Blackman! Arrest this fraud before he destroys America.

John, I can’t stand O’Reilly, he’s big mouthed, interruptive and your right he thinks he’s always right!__

O’Reilly is opinionated, no doubt about it. But hey, it’s his show and he gets paid BIG BUCKS to espouse his opinion, which he certainly has a right to do.

That being said, his being the HOST does not make his opinion any more valuable to the world outside FoxNews headquarters than the next hardheaded Catholic Boy. With that in mind I can take him or leave him.

Sometimes entertaining and informative, I’ve never seen any evidence that his was the “final word” on any subject…

What makes you folks think that O’Reilly spouts his own opinions……

Fellow patriot, Sandra McLaughlin said:

“Soros bought 15% of Fox about a year ago. He also has a corporation called CEREBUS that bought 5 gun manufacturers and has amassed a private militia in 3 countries.”

Please provide links.

Either your lawyer friends are lying to you, or they belong in a mental institution. NONE of what you have written is true, and the allegations have been proven to be wrong. Repeatedly. Give it up and join reality.

As for no one remembering him, that’s just another fantasy you are indulging yourself in.
http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/people-remember-president-obama/

…………….and you need a brain. Have you always been this naive?

Naive, I am not naive enough to swallow your deluded version of reality. For one thing sealed records no daugh. Past Federal census records are sealed for 75 years. The last census records that are available to the public were the 1930 census. So it is impossible using census records to trace Obama’s mother’s family after 1930 unless they lived in South Dakota which has made public state census up to the 1950s. Each state sets the rules for accessing peoples birth records from where they are finally archived. When I researched my father’s records in Nebraska and South Dakota I was able to go in and personally search through the records. More populated urban areas have stricter access rules.

The point being that Obama’s records are not sealed any more than anyone else’s records unless from his birth there was a plot to make him President. The President does not have the power to seal state. county, and local records. And Harvard being a private school can be very restrictive in releasing records. Columbia also. Obama does not have to justify his existence any more than any President did before him. There is also no educational requirements nor grade point averages required to be President so no one needs to know his college grades. They don’t matter. Neither did Obama have to go to grade school or high school to be President. The President does not even have to be able to read and write or be of average intelligence. Obama is one of our most intelligent and thoughtful Presidents and a brilliant problem solver. Osama bin Laden is dead. That is all the proof we need of his skills and intelligence. You are simply swimming in the seas of ignorance and are blind to it. I may be naive, but not naive to believe your line of crap.

….and your brilliant point is??? Why are the records sealed? Or does your lovefest for this man blind your thinking? Or can you think for yourself or do you need and illegal alien in the WH to do it for you?

BHO brilliant? WOW, such stupidity! He couldn’t manage a two kid kindergarten but he can and will continue to fool people like you.

Its the law!!!!!!!!

What is the law? Be specific? You aren’t lecturing your grade schoolers today.

What don’t YOU understand about the law or the constitution? What don’t YOU understand about the difference in a “Citizen” and a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN?

Try selling your foolishness to a POT HEAD or a grade schooler, not here!

Your the one with the problem. Its your job to inquire in each state you care about to find out what its public records laws are and who may and how they may get documents concerning a persons birth records, educational records, and health records. You are the one who cannot accept the fact that Obama is a natural citizen of the United States. Its your quest not mine. I have spent years researching my family history and its something I learned from experience. I also know that my step dad’s father delivered all 18 of his children at home in the Dakotas from the 1910s to the 1940s and I am not sure how he registered their births or if he even did. And if he did in the small rural court houses if they even managed to survive. Writing a blog does not make you wise Bob, if you learn nothing from those you correspond with and if you keep repeating your ignorance.

Two courts have ruled he is a natural born citizzen and confirmed he is eliable to be on the ballot. Once in Indiana in 2009 and this month ib Georgia/. Look it up, its not hard to find then you will have your proof

Wrong answer smilee! You are the one stating it is fact, so it is up to you to cite the source. No one has to do your homework. Here is a source I’ve found by Dr. Jerome Corsi that deals with Obama bin Laden’s eligibility:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9PzsNdDwXY

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I DID!! I cited the actual court rulings, you know, right from the horses mouth. Try reading them sammie and if your capable of learninf maybe you could figure out the truth.

Would you quit lying smilee. Let’s see what happens in the Indiana Supreme Court this year. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

See my post above for the proof

Status as a natural-born citizen of the United States is one of the eligibility requirements established in the United States Constitution for election to the office of President or Vice President. This requirement was an attempt to allay concerns that foreign aristocrats might immigrate to the new nation and use their wealth and influence to impose a monarchy.
The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen, and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. The Congressional Research Service has stated that the weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion indicates that the term means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship “at birth” or “by birth,” including any child born “in” the United States (other than to foreign diplomats serving their country), the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements.[1]

“Since you can’t show his “FATHER” is now or ever was a citizen, what you say CANNOT be true.”

What about Obama’s mother?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

People… his mother was American. So it doesn’t matter when or where he was born; he was born to an American citizen and is therefore a natural born citizen.

I don’t like the guy anymore than most of you, but lets not disrupt the truth.

Dear TML,

Stanley Ann Dunham was a minor at the time of Obama’s birth and ineligible to pass along citizenship rights. But her status is irrelevant anyway, as being natural born requires parents (plural) be citizens at the time of the child’s birth.

Best wishes,
Bob

Bob says, “Stanley Ann Dunham was a minor at the time of Obama’s birth”

In my above link, it cites her birth date as November 29, 1942… sources show Obama born April 4, 1961
Quick math – 18 years, 4 months old she was.
Seems that she was not a minor.

Bob says, “But her status is irrelevant anyway, as being natural born requires parents (plural) be citizens at the time of the child’s birth.”

So if one parent (father) is not a citizen, while the other (mother) is a citizen, then the child – despite any presidency – is not considered a citizen of the United States? Did he have to go through the citizenship process?

Confusing… but I suppose under technicality, you are correct. As the two sources of definition for natural born citizen, which I posted above, agrees.

Of course, all of this assumes his birth certificate is truly fake and was also born abroad; otherwise if he was born here, then his father’s citizenship is irrelevant.

@Livingston at al, Since you are peeling the truth layer by layer, can you shed some light on reports that BHO’s mother may not have been a citizen as well, she may have given it up to marry BHO’s father; since at that time Kenyans(a later name) were not allowed to marry non-citizens. If this has any legs, neither of his parents would have been citizens. Also in your peeling, also an occasional loud and strong peal of the bell of freedom, as we are as a country are becoming stone deaf to the truth.

TML said:
“Of course, all of this assumes his birth certificate is truly fake and was also born a broad”

Although ground breaking disclosures such as this would explain a lot of things, I don’t think his parents were sufficiently weathly enough to have afforded such radical transgender surgery at that time.

Dear TML,

You write: “In my above link, it cites her birth date as November 29, 1942… sources show Obama born April 4, 1961
Quick math – 18 years, 4 months old she was.”
You are assuming much. The date of his birth has not been established with certainty, but the fakery released by the WH lists his birth date as Aug. 4, 1961. University of Washington transcripts have Ms. Dunham enrolling in classes that began on Aug. 19, 1961. Quite a feat in that day and age. And then there’s this:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html

You write: “So if one parent (father) is not a citizen, while the other (mother) is a citizen, then the child – despite any presidency – is not considered a citizen of the United States? Did he have to go through the citizenship process?” If just one parent is a citizen, the child born in the U.S. is a citizen, just not a natural-born citizen. That is the difference. BTW: I will elaborate more on “natural-born” in my post tomorrow “Ageless Wisdom of the Founders: The Natural-Born Question.” Had Obama Sr. become a naturalized U.S. citizen, then yes, Obama would have been a natural-born citizen.

Best wishes,
Bob

P.S. That is Rubio’s problem. He was born in the U.S., but neither of his parents were citizens at the time of his birth. That he is a citizen, there is no doubt. However, he is not a natural-born citizen.

“You write: “In my above link, it cites her birth date as November 29, 1942… sources show Obama born April 4, 1961
Quick math – 18 years, 4 months old she was.””

I just realized I said, and calculated for, April, instead of August, lol… so correction; 18 years, 9 months old she was.

Bob says, “You are assuming much.”

True… I do assume her age based on the WH listing of his birth date, in relation to the birth date of the mother. How silly of me.

‘The date of his birth has not been established with certainty, but the fakery released by the WH lists his birth date as Aug. 4, 1961. University of Washington transcripts have Ms. Dunham enrolling in classes that began on Aug. 19, 1961. Quite a feat in that day and age. And then there’s this:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html”

With all do respect, it seems you may be assuming much more than I when it comes to that information, Bob.
Not only are the ideas of Ms. Dunham enrolling in class in Seattle, August 19, 1961, not established as fact, but even if it is, citing this has any kind of evidence that she could not have given birth in Honolulu (a few hour plane ride) August 4, 1961 is pure speculation and circumstantial.

However…

Bob says, “If just one parent is a citizen, the child born in the U.S. is a citizen, just not a natural-born citizen. That is the difference. BTW: I will elaborate more on “natural-born” in my post tomorrow “Ageless Wisdom of the Founders: The Natural-Born Question.” Had Obama Sr. become a naturalized U.S. citizen, then yes, Obama would have been a natural-born citizen.”

This sounds part sounds acceptable, and backed up by the only two historic sources I’ve found, in which both sources use plural, as you pointed out. So, I agree on that definition.

1875, the United States Supreme Court, in Minor v, Happersett, ruled:
“Natural Born Citizen” was defined as children born of TWO U.S. citizens – regardless of the location of the birth.” (Emphasis mine)

Naturalization Act 1790 ““the children of citizenS of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens”. (Emphasis mine)

But then again…

Article 2, Section 1 states: “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President”

Therefore, either a “natural born citizen”, OR a “citizen” BOTH qualify.

So I guess the only thing waiting in the wind, is to prove that Obama’s birth certificate is indeed fake. If genuine, then he is eligible.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d actually like to say he isn’t eligible, lol… I’m just not seeing it.

I said, “…and was also born a broad”

Micheal J said, “I don’t think his parents were sufficiently weathly enough to have afforded such radical transgender surgery at that time.”

LOL, took me a second to get it, lol

GRushling: Title 8, US Code Section 1401: Anyone born inside the United States; Anyone born in a US possession, if ONE(emphasis added) parent is a citizen and lived in the US for at least one year.

Constitution of the USA, XIV Amendment: All persons born or naturalized in the United States of America and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States of America and of the State wherein they reside.

TML said:

” Article 2, Section 1 states: “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President”

The key part of this article following the word “Citizen” is”:

” at the time of the adoption of this constitution”.

That was put in specifically to allow those of the CURRENT TIME PERIOD to be eligible. We were a newly born country, so without that exemption for the time period, most all of our founders would have been ineligible to be President.

Given that, and unless Barack Obama is approximately 236 years aged dating back to the TIME PERIOD of the exemption, well, he is not qualified to be President because he IS NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

Pretty simple stuff.

APN

It makes sense how you’re reading it, but my first inclination is to say, if ‘citizenship’ was enough for that time period, most of our founders having otherwise been ineligible, what difference is it then, in this time period?

What part of being born to 2 American Citizens on U.S. soil (Here, a militari facility, etc.) does TML and GRustling not understand? Why do you say Bob is lying? Care to cite a source showing he is or how the Constitution backs up what you 2 have said? Don’t let me just sitting here hearing crickets. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

P.S. Good posts APN and Bob. You have to excuse certain people as their cognative abilities seem to be on permanent vacation.

samurai

“What part of being born to 2 American Citizens on U.S. soil (Here, a militari facility, etc.) does TML and GRustling not understand?”

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
• Anyone born inside the United States
• Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
• Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
• Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years
• A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/Title_08.txt

Note, accordingly, if born ‘inside’ the United States, you are a citizen or natural born citizen, even if only one parent is a citizen.
According to the definitions in the Nationalization Act of 1790, and the United States Supreme Court, in Minor v, Happersett, 1875… The definition of natural born citizen is then expanded to include anyone born ‘outside’ the United States, as long as both parents are United States citizens at time of birth.

Obama has presented a birth certificate which places his birth in Honolulu.
Therefore, one must first prove that the certificate is a forgery, and that he was born outside the United Stated for Obama to be ineligible.

samurai – “Why do you say Bob is lying?”

Bob said, “Stanley Ann Dunham was a minor at the time of Obama’s birth”
Then Bob said, “You are assuming much. The date of his birth has not been established”

How then, can he know if Obama’s mother was a minor at the time of birth?
Regardless however; if it has not been established, because one assumes the birth certificate is fake, then by what evidence does one make this claim?

Don’t leave me just sitting here hearing crickets.

Mikeles says: “Title 8, US Code Section 1401: Anyone born inside the United States; Anyone born in a US possession, if ONE(emphasis added) parent is a citizen and lived in the US for at least one year.”

The question is not simply one of citizenship. The words in our constitution are “Natural Born Citizen” and that has been defined TWICE by the Supreme Court, and alluded to at least two other times.

As far as the “Citizenship” part goes, there are several questions on even that, because the phony birth certificate released by the white house had more errors than a little league baseball game. Many were so obvious they wouldn’t fool a Junior High Student!

samurai says: “What part of being born to 2 American Citizens on U.S. soil (Here, a militari facility, etc.) does TML and GRustling not understand?”

Sorry friend, you need to back up and re-read whatever post of mine you think you’re referring to, because I never said anything of the sort. John McCain (born in Panama at a US Military base) is DEFINITELY a “Natural Born Citizen” and I’ve said so elsewhere on this thread, never questioning the factual nature of that statement…

Dear TML,

I neglected to mention the age of majority in Hawaii in 1961 was 21.

Best wishes,
Bob

TML said:APN

“It makes sense how you’re reading it, but my first inclination is to say, if ‘citizenship’ was enough for that time period, most of our founders having otherwise been ineligible, what difference is it then, in this time period?”
_____________________________________________________________________

Are you a progressive? The reason I ask is because only a progressive could take such a simple statement in an article and then ask the question you just did.

The statement was put specifically in the article to address those living in the current time period, so YES , it is applicable to that time period only. If not , then why did the founders put the exemption in? You think they did it to amuse themselves or something? I can hear the conversation now, ” Father#1 says to Father#2, Hey, let’s put in some very straight forward wording here so as to confuse future progressives.”

Finally, to answer your question more specifically, NO, it does not apply today and for good reasons. It was applicable then because we were a newborn country and logic would dictate that most all the FOUNDERS were ASSOCIATES of FREEDOM. i.e.; They were all here for the SAME REASONS!!!!! To FLEE the oppression of the KING!

The founders understood the significance of having a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN in the WH that had been properly vetted by WE THE PEOPLE. If not, then you could have an imposter in the WH, as in illegal alien, that could destroy America from within.

SOUND FAMILIAR?????

You need to read on in in Coal miners description of what the qualifications to be a naturalized citizen are. It does not take both parents being citizens to make one a United States citizen and Obama was born on United States soil. Hawaii is part of the United States. And you cannot prove other wise.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

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I like your comment. The problem today as it was then: twisted minds cannot read straight forward things and understand them. They try to filter everything through their distortions.

Jess, could not find it, please help me with a link.

Well Jesse, I would think your statement is self-evident of YOUR naive foolishness. Somebody “Fell”on their head at a very young age, correct? You keep on thinking this imposter is legit, I don’t, never have and never will, and you nor any other progressive fool can prove he is, because he isn’t.

Actually, it is you that is ranting and raving like some crazed lunatic. Every time I see your posts, they don’t speak facts or have any sources, but I do hear one sound coming from them. Baaaaa! Baaaaa! Baaaaa! Baaaaa! Just like the sheeple you are. Haven’t made that popping sound yet? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

You have given up your ability to reason. You could not open a cell phone account with the bogus info provide by Obama. Get your head out of the sand and try it.

Exactly!

Don’t be shy Debbie, say what you mean. And, oh by the way, I agree totally, Even here in Arizona, as I stood in line to vote, a large ancient Econoline van pulled up and off loaded about 20 people that had no AZ IDs. Of course, they were allowed to vote under the rule of out of state voting, (to be confirmed later?). But as they were leaving, I heard one ask the driver, who stayed in the van, “… how far is the next polling place?” as he threw away his ‘I voted’ sticker. I suspected Acorn but knew it was all over at that point, not that I was impressed with McCain’s effort.

why do people refer to it by his name when they should be referred as the fraud n chief i see america going down, and its hurts to call it anything but the frauid n chief

There is no evidence to look at, every court that has looked at it has thrown it out as it is inadmissable. Two courts dis rule he was eligable to be on the ballot declaring that he is a natural born citizen.

How many of these judges actually went by the law and the Constitution and how many were simply pliticians? How many of them were going by party affiliation? Need to get your facts straight before you post, smilee. BTW, they are looking into reopening this subject in the Indiana courts. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Sorry sammie but you will never convince me that your smarter than these judges. They know the law, you are sadly lacking there and repeatly demonstrate that on here

That agreement as signed in 1990, ratified by the Senate in 1991.

How exactly is this Obama’s problem or fault when the Maritime Treaty was negotiated by James Baker, signed by Bush I and ratified by the Senate?

Ya gonna start blaming him for the Maine being blown up fer chrissakes?

wrong

Author’s addendum, Feb. 17, 2012: This is not a new issue. In fact the Bush and Clinton administrations are directly at fault for the same inaction. A maritime agreement negotiated by the U.S. State Department set the Russian boundary on the other side of the disputed islands, but no treaty has ratified this action. Consequently, it is within the president’s power to stop this giveaway.

from above artical

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

FF, EVERYTHING I have read on Keystone says that most of the jobs are temporary and local and number in the four figures, not the six. EVERYTHING I have read on Keystone says that the oil is destined for countrys other than the USA–Europe; South America, and even China, but not for the USA. In fact, it has been said that if it was REALLY for domestic consumption it would not have to reach the Gulf of Mexico, as it could be shipped overland from the middle of the USA. It needs to be on the Gulf so that it can be placed on ocean going craft for shipment OVERSEAS.

Semper Fi

FF…lease read the following excerpt. note it is a treaty ratified by the US Senate. it cannot be overturned by ‘executive order”.

“The United States Senate gave its advice and consent to ratification as early as on September 16, 1991. In its turn, the US–USSR agreement is the confirmation of the earlier United States – Russia Convention of March 18 (O.S.)/March 30 (N.S.), 1867. This sea border is also known as the Baker-Shevardnadze line or Baker-Shevardnadze agreement, after the officials who signed the deal, the Soviet foreign minister Eduard Shevardnadze and the US Secretary of State James Baker.

Sam, do you know for sure that it is not “God’s will” that Obama be President of the United States? If you KNOW that we have “God given” rights why don’t you KNOW if we have a God given President? Or were you BSing about those GOD GIVEN “rights”?

Pray tell NC, why in the world would God put a lair, a cheat, a traitor in the ofc. of the most powerful country ever? A country that he helped design. For him to be putting someone in ofc. violates the very premise of Free Will. It was done by a grp. of anti American socialists (Soros and several Democrat traitors) and a bunch of idiots that fell for his line of BS.

The first 10 Amendments to the Constitution are God-given rights. Only He can take them away, no matter how hard Obama bin Laden tries. This coming from a person that thinks the atheist communist looney liberal union is good for America? Why don’t you stop being a troll and cite something showing I’m wrong? I’ll probably just be hearing crickets. I ahree wth rock of his assessment of your post. Neeeeed to make that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai… I hope you are correct and that Indiana becomes another state to question his eligibility.

nc…. It is very possible that God allowed Barry to be president. I don’t try to second guess God; I pray for His Will to be done. I hope these last 3 years have been the wake up call that was needed to fix our government.

Obama is not a God given President. He is an Idiot given President. He is there because of Idiots, not God.

As for Obama – evidence shows he is not able to become president legally, unless more information is provided that proves otherwise.

Want to know why your god given rights are being crushed, Obama is president, Christians mocked, hated and attacked?

AGE OF DECEIT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjmFm8PIz8M

I found this film well researched and layed out, and very informative to explain events that surround us today.

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

God is challenge us to face this. If those voted him there don’t see his purpose then God is still make us suffer

The courts in both Indiana and George have ruled that being born in the USA is being a natural born citizen and have approved his eligibility to be on the ballot. The courts in both cases ruled on the eligibility but the other issues raised they found the complaint and evidence not creditable and ruled it inadmissible. This is a dead issue and Obama will be on the ballot in all 50 states in Nov. Beating this dead horse just keeps those silly enough to believe otherwise fired up and that is the reason why it keeps going round and round and getting nowhere.

Smilee, it’s becoming more and more apparent that you progressives have your own interpretation of a “natural” born citizen…Obama’s father was never a U.S. citizen nor was his father an immigrant to the USA nor was his father even a permanent resident of the USA. Obama’s father was merely sojourning as a transient in the USA as a student for a few years and returned to Kenya. Thus, Obama is not and never can be an Article II “natural born” citizen of the USA. When Obama was born he was not a “natural born citizen” since both parents of a child must be citizens at the time of birth of the child in order for the child to be a “natural born” citizen. In addition to the requirement as to the parents citizenship status, the child must also be born in the USA. Obama may be a “born citizen” depending on the evidence in Hawaii. But “born” is NOT synonymous with “natural born”.

Both parents must be citizens at the time of birth of the child in the USA for the child to be a “natural born citizen” per our Constitution’s framers intent and the “natural law”, as codified by Vattel in 1758 in his legal reference treatise, “The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law”. The “divided loyalties” concerns of the framers of a person who is selected to serve as our President and Commander-in-Chief of our military comes into play. Thus the framers required a “natural born” citizen only mandate in the U.S. Constitution for the Office of President and Commander-in-Chief of our military.

SSDD, eh smilee? You have to have both parents be American Citizens also. Remember, that is why McCain is considered and American Citizen. He was born on U.S. soil (A military facility) and both of his parents were American Citizens. So maybe we should ask you how many times are you going to lie and actually know what it states in the Constitution before opening your mouth? Doesn’t it say in a very old book, “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.” But alas! You just blindly post what comes to mind with no intellect at all. What a waste! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

P.S. It is being re-investigated in Indiana, since people began coming forward saying that they never signed the petition, but they found their names on it. Makes you wonder, eh smilee?

BTW, isn’t this the same arguement you lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxists are using against Rubio of Florida from running for higher office, hmmm? Just a thought. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

JeffH says:
February 22, 2012 at 4:58 pm

No, it is two courts who said he is a natural born citizen in their rulings, you can blame it on anyone for any reason but you would be wrong,,

samurai says:
February 22, 2012 at 5:18 pm

Why don’t you go read the Indiana and Georgia court rulings before you go shooting your big mouth off

rock:

Watch this link. It may be the answer to your question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXei0Zb3dxM

Smilee, we went throught this a couple of months ago…and no, the Supreme Court has not settled this…Obama may indeed be a citizen…I’m not refuting that…as I have shown he does not qualify to be the POTUS or the Commander in Chief as outlined by the Constitution because he is not a “natural born” citizen of parents(that’s plural meaning both parents)who were both citizens of the US.

Can we agree that Obama’s father was not a citizen of the US and never has been?

Can we agree that Obama’s father was a citizen of Kenya and was never a citizen of the USA?

In order for Obama to be qualified for the office of POTUS and CiC he must be born the child of citizen parents…he is not.

Smilee…This is far from settled and the Georgia Court was in err.

The Georgia court determined that a clear definition of natural born citizen from Supreme Court precedent was overturned by dicta in another Supreme Court case. Precedent is any statement by the court that is pivotal to reaching the court’s ruling. Dicta is the opposite of precedent. Dicta is a statement by the court about matters that are not pivotal to reaching its ruling. Dicta is persuasive, but it cannot overturn precedent.

In other words, the Georgia court violated a basic rule of legal interpretation by ruling as it did. But wait, there’s more! The Georgia court also violated rules of Constitutional interpretation that have been around since the earliest Supreme Court. Our first Chief Justice explained that no part of the Constitution should be interpreted in a way that leaves any other part of the Constitution without independent meaning. By ruling that anyone born on U.S. soil can run for President the Georgia court concluded that the 14th Amendment was intended to alter article II of the Constitution. Such an interpretation is 180 degrees in opposite to Chief Justice Marshall’s explanation of how to interpret the Constitution.

In order to reach this conclusion the Georgia court also had to disregard yet another part of the holding from the Minor v. Happersett Supreme Court ruling. Even if you ignore the rules of Constitutional construction and the rule that dicta can’t overturn precedent, even if you agree with the Georgia court that the definition of natural born citizen in the Minor decision was dicta, you still can’t reach the Georgia court’s ruling. You see, the Minor Court ALSO explicitly ruled that the 14th Amendment didn’t create any new privileges and immunities. So, if a person couldn’t run for President before the 14th Amendment, they couldn’t run for President after the 14th Amendment. This means that the Minor Court explicitly ruled that the 14th amendment didn’t alter the definition of natural born citizen under article II of the Constitution. Yet the Georgia court ignored this Supreme Court ruling as well.

Liberty Legal Foundation will be appealing the Georgia Court’s ruling and will continue to fight for Constitutional rule of law. The appeals process now will focus on the definition of “natural born citizen” rather than procedure for the first time since the issue of Obama’s eligibility was raise in 2008.
http://www.examiner.com/paulding-county-republican-in-atlanta/ruling-on-obama-eligibility-case-lacked-constitutional-interpretation

JeffH

I never said the Supreme Court has looked at or ruled on this case and they might decide to not accept the case. So far no one has been sucessful in getting any court to find anything in its favor, You may think your opinion is correct and the court is wrong but that does not matter as the court ruling means somthing and has power your opinion is nothing more rhan your opinion. If the appeals court or the supreme does not overturn it then it will stand. I think in the last four years there has been over 30 lawsuits filed on these issues with Obama and not once has the court sided with any plaintiff. That should tell you something is bogus here, one would think at least one attorney would be smart enough to find a legal argument that works, of course, if it is bogus then of couse that would not be possible, It would help to if your sources were something factual and not the propaganda sites you refer us to. Try reading the actual court decision or is that just too deep for you to understand??

All Jim Crow states , the absence of war does not constitute a peace, never has and never will.

So what else do you have to show us and how racially bias you can be without saying the “N” word?

oops! I’m the one that brought it up! Silly me.

Do you really think people can’t see thu you, what you do and what you say?

Do you really think that everyone is that stupid?

I am a son of the South but I accept that the South is a defeated banner. I hold that thought with bitter/sweet regard. But for whatever reasons, I will not step backwards and return to the insanity that pits brother against brother.

I don’t give a $hit where he came from, he won the title and position on a level playing field.

I’ve little interested in seaman , when and where it was introduced to an egg or where a American woman gave live birth.

Is that clear enough?

Moses had much the same issues if I recall and yet he became a major player in Gods plan.

i’m not sure which side that you are on, but clearly not mine.

It is written GOD sets up rulers and tears down rulers. If indeed there was a beginning then there must be an ending. Now as i witness on a daily encounter with my fellow Americans, What do I see.While shopping i see more & more ungodly appearances,more & more disrespect for each other.////When I watch TV, more & more Homosexuality displayed and promoted, The audience cheering it on. The Ellen show, live with Kelly and local TV stations Its almost impossible to find anything decent to watch. Now I wonder why GOD would spare this once God Blessed country.

Samurai writes:

The first 10 Amendments to the Constitution are God-given rights. Only He can take them away,…

Well actually there are a LOT more rights than the ones listed in the Bill of Rights. Amendment 9 even reminds us that there are a LOT more rights. ALL of them were given to us by our Creator and are not subject to loss at the whim of man.

The Constitutionally limited government that was created for the USA is based on the simple fact that “to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…” (See Declaration of Independence USA circa 1776)

FreedomFighter says:

“As for Obama – evidence shows he is not able to become president legally, unless more information is provided that proves otherwise.”

Legally, the only thing that he had to provide was the State-issued, State-certified BC/COLB that Hawaii issued to him. Nothing more. For this to be legally challenged, the challenger has to provide proof, not suspicion, that the legal document provided is not valid. From every legal opinion, and from what I know about certified vital records (which is quite a bit), the naysayers do not have a leg to stand on.

We also want to see all the school records he paid millions to keep away from the public, every president has to show every papers they have from the time they star school;where,all the names,why he refuse to shold and keep all secure?what is hiden in there?

When he was born, obtaining your SSN was NOT mandatory. It was based on the state when you applied. Many over the age of 40 didn’t get their number until they applied for a job, meaning it is possible to have a number from a state other than where you were born.

When you do a search on Barry Soetoro’s Connecticut SS#, as all employers are required to do for a new hire, it will come back as a number that is not legitimate.

People…People… If you CLEARLY read the said document which is SUPPOSED to be the actual birth certificate of Barrack Obama,it clearly states that his RACE is AFRICAN AMERICAN….U-U-U-H I believe where i come from and have been raised all my life for 43 years the POLITICALLY correct coined phrase to describe one of said color is
‘AFRICAN AMERICAN” had only been used for the last 20-30 years give or take a few years.So in actuality it should read “BLACK” for the date of said document.If this is proven – Barack Obama should be relieved of his duty as president and immediatly incarrserated for TREASON on AMERICAN soil for falsification of document to hold the most powerful position in united states government.This man has known he is lying all along and has spent a lot of money to hold this secrecy.He has made a mockery of our government and it is time that we as AMERICAN CITIZENS stand up and have him ACCOUNTED FOR.What in GOD’S name are we teaching our children by allowing this to go on so long.FOR THE SAKE OF OUR COUNTRY LET’S STAND UP AND DO THE RIGHT THING.Don’t defend him because you are african american or believe the line of bull he has fed … OPEN your eyes ,stop drinking the KOOLAID and do what you know in your heart is right .Defending this type of person only demoralizes yourself as a person, AND FOR WHAT? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ! He has been proven time and time again that he is the GREATEST liar of ALL times and TRANSPARENCY has never been part of his presidential office as he stated from day one that it WOULD BE.PROTECT OUR CONSTITUTION.It is not just some OLD piece of paper .It was put there as a set of rules and if you can’t PLAY by the rules ,then DON’T PLAY AT ALL!

Joe1cr: I am from AZ and my SSN does NOT start with ANY of the numbers you show for “state code” for SSN.

I must be here illegally and not eligible for…whatever–you’re pathetic.

If what you say is true about social security numbers then how do you explain the fact that my social security number starts with 533 and I have lived in the state of Washington all my life? My father received his SS number when it first started in 1936, he is 99 years old, and his SS number starts with 146 and he was living in California at the time he received it so obviously what you say is BS.

The level of dementia, dysphoria, and paranoia you all display is beyond belief. You are of course just a large bunch of bigots, and I would hope you would come clean. No one seemed to be concerned when George Romney ran for president with clear cut, well established evidence that he was born in Mexico when his father fled the USA to avoid the law establishing polygamy as illegal – he was the definition of a libertarian, it seems. It wasn’t and isn’t clear even now which part of Mexico and which part of the US is really, legally the US. Utah certainly wasn’t part of Mexico – that is for certain, so no worries there, but for the rest of the Southwest ???????

Carl Sperr says:

If what you say is true about social security numbers then how do you explain the fact that my social security number starts with 533 and I have lived in the state of Washington all my life? My father received his SS number when it first started in 1936, he is 99 years old, and his SS number starts with 146 and he was living in California at the time he received it so obviously what you say is BS.

Perhaps instead of making remarks about BS you should just go to the source and find out what the real story is with respect to SSNumber assignments.
http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v69n2/v69n2p55.html

I looked up 533 and there it was. Right in the middle of Washington State. (531-539 WA)
Your fathers number 146 is in the set for New Jersey (135-158 NJ). Now at first that would seem to be a problem since you say he was living in California at the time he received it. You did however provide another clue. You say he got his SSN when it first started in 1936.

A quick check with the people who would know (SSA) clears up the mystery.

“During the initial registration in 1936 and 1937, businesses with branches throughout the country had employees return their SS-5 Application for Account Number to their national headquarters, so these SSNs carried the area number where the headquarters were located.” (See link above)

Thus I would conclude that your father worked for a company who’s National headquarters just happened to be in New Jersey. Should you get the opportunity could you verify this?

None of you have the right to any of Obama’s, or anyone else’s, school records, medical records, or passport records. They are not public records. Period. This, also, means that Obama has not spent millions keeping them sealed, because there is no need to seal them. YOU DON’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO THEM. Where did you get the idea that you do?

You, also, do not have the right to even his BC/COLB, or are none of you aware of this? In fact, until Obama is 75 years old, you don’t have a right to even receive a copy, certified or not, if you request one.

Right on! They are told what to do by the powers that be. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

You need to get your damn facts right, moron. People like you are the reason we aren’t taken seriously. There is nothing wrong with being born in Kenya, or anywhere in the world. Educate yourself on the meaning of “natural born citizen”. Obama is a fraud because he is not American, not because he wasn’t born in a particular geographic location.

It goes with free will. Given enough time, a lazy and gullible nature will allow the majority to be ill-informed (ie. shee-ple) and a prime target for corrupt leaders to manipulate. We are witnessing the manifestation of ‘Animal Farm.’

Jt, natural born citizen requires that both parents be American citizens, and his alleged sperm donor was a foreign citizen.

JT since you are so concerned with facts , if indeed Obama was indeed born in Africa , he was not born in Kenya . He was born in “British East Africa” , Kenya did not come into existence until 3 years after his birth . His father , again if it truly is his father was never a US citizen and had never applied for US citizenship . When the student visa expired he was told to leave the US as it would not be renewed due to failing grades . That his father was not a citizen of the US comes from Obama’s own words in his book Dreams of My Father (or was it schemes) . This alone makes Obama invalid as a candidate for President . Combine this , and all the other evidence of a fraud being carried out against the American People , you have the grounds for removing Obama from office and jailed . This won’t happen as the Communist Party ( I mean Democratic Party, sorry) controls the Senate lead by the honorable but senile Harry Reid , and mental midget Maxine Waters and head Congressional Shrew Nancy Pelosi . If investigated properly and thoroughly, I suspect you would find a vast plot to usurp the government and install a dictator and create a socialist state .

The hyphenated american thing started about maybe 30 years ago by some liberal black college professer calling blacks African-Americans.Now, the fake birth certificate having African-American as Obamas race proves, like what was said by Ron, is a fake.

TraderPhil, I could be wrong, but I believe that I am not. Perhaps we should both, you and I, take a civics class again, because I really do believe that before ANY part of the Constitution can be “taken away” it needs to be amended through a process that takes a lot longer than the time that President Obama has been in office, and also takes something like a two-thirds vote, first of Congress and then of the state legislatures. A long time coming before our Constitution is erased from history. Maybe, YOU are not an American, and you are mistaking YOUR enslaved country that allows only one way of believing to OUR free USofA.

Go to class, pal, you need some more education.

JT, a natural born citizen must be born of 2 parents that are American Citizens and on U.S. soil. Mikeless, The first 10 Amendmets can only be taken away by God, this is true, but the ones after that can be taken away, as they are given by government. Neeeeed to be making that popping sound Mikeles. It would have to go through the legislative process, yes, that is true, but this proves that from the 11th Amendment on, the government can take them away. You say that it would take longer than 1 presidential tern to remove an Amendment form the Constitution? Really? Then why did it only take a short time for the 21st Amendment to repeal the 18th Amendment? Not even a few months. So, there is no timeline on how long these things take. Need to go back to class yourself. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Sammie

The courts have already shot down your BS arguments proving you know nothing

He had an aunt that also said the same thing. He was born in Kenya. Fifty years ago the expression African/American was not used. The term was “black”. His birth certificates us the term African/American. There’s been a couple of them that have been presented but one was printed by a laser printer. Obviously he’s hiding something.

Wyatt writes

That his father was not a citizen of the US comes from Obama’s own words in his book Dreams of My Father (or was it schemes) .

It also comes from all of his (fake) birth certificates. All of them list a father who was not a US citizen (ever).

Actually, it was made very clear by his step-Grandmother, that she was there when our President’s Father was born, not our President.

On Obama’s original hospital papers, that were sent to the Department of Health, his Father was listed as being African, which it true. And his Mother was born in Kansas. So what?

As long as Obama was born in the US, and he was, he is a natural born citizen. We have had several other President’s who had one parent that was not born in the US. It had no bearing on whether they were natural born citizens or not. You are going to have to find a legitimate reason to deny him, this isn’t a legitimate reason.

Wrong answer tgeer! You need to be born in the U.S. or U.S. soil, like a military instilation, and both parents must be U.S. Citizens. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Flashy,
The future is a long, long time. Are you sure about that?

LOL…you’re kidding, right? As certain as it is apparent there will always be some who balance precariously on the edge of sanity stating he isn’t qualified for the office.

look…this whole issue serves as comedic relief. It’s already elevated to the next step. you could take people in a time machine and have them standing in the delivery room as he was born…and the issue wouldn’t go away. Even now, the next insistence is that somehow the entire 230 years of the understanding of the Constitution is wrong and what they really meant was both parnts must be US citizens … that such denies history, that no Constitutional scholar would ruin a career by suggesting that wild notion, that such is a reading no rational person would make…it doesn’t matter.

And if it came down to it…I have no doubt some yahoo would place some document under a microscope and declare that the third wood fiber of the second paragrapgh is twisted differently than any other..proving it to be a fake. And there would be those grasping that as gospel.

All this is is entertainment fodder .

You have read your Manifesto ~! Well spoken Comrad!

Flashy,
Wow, it took nearly 100 words from you to defend against my one line statement. Isn’t that telling?

How about you show us medical records detailing Obama’s mother while ever giving birth in a Hawaii hospital?

Comic fodder??? You wrote that book !!!

Article: “So far, courts have ignored, thrown out or refused to hear any evidence that would challenge Obama’s status as a natural born citizen.”

Article: “U.S. Supreme Court, where the justices refused to look at any evidence”

Flashy says, “As they should have ruled”

Why should they have ruled this?

(Serious question)

First of all, Obama is not qualified to lead a kindergarten class, much less our country. Secondly, as far as ruining a career, Obama has pretty well been very efficient in doing that whenever he has run for ANY political office. He has only had any real opposition during the Presidential race. In the other elections, he got all of the other candidates disqualified before the election, with the exception of Alan Keyes.

Flash is a communist sympathizer and doesn’tv deserve to be taken seriously. “As it should have been”. WHY??? He is bound by the same laws that the citizens are. Only an ignorant bootlicking POS would state otherwise. This is the kind of idiocy we’re fighting people. Flashy – “Its ok when he does it because I support him”. I think all traitors should be trid as co-conspirators and strung up also and that includes the media.

It just seems to me, that since you put so much stock in the Supreme Court decisions, that hearing the evidence(especially since it made it the Supreme Court), and laying this puppy to rest, would be most desirable.

Yet you think the justices were correct to not hear the evidence and make a ruling. I think he is qualified as a natural born citizen because is mother was no doubt American… but a ruling wouldn’t hurt to shut people up, eh?

What you have appeared to have missed or deliberately omitted is the point that the supreme court has already ruled on this issue on more than one occasion on other similar cases and, per the previous rulings, he is not eligible.

“previous rulings, he is not eligible.”

Could you cite any of these rulings for us, please?

TML…on appeal, the appellate courts never question the facts as found by the lower court. The lower court is the ‘fact finder’, the appellate court applies the law to the facts as found.

The appellate courts must take the appeals, many times issuing a brief “appeal denied’ when the case is obviously one without qustion on the lower court’s application of facts to law. Thus, when rejecting the appeal, the SCOTUS sent the message…

The only thing I’ve seen from a court ruling on natural born citizen was in 1875, the United States Supreme Court, in Minor v, Happersett, ruled:

“Natural Born Citizen” was defined as children born of two U.S. citizens – regardless of the location of the birth. It found: “The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.”

The only other place I’ve seen a definition of natural born citizen was in the Naturalization Act of 1790, which states:

“the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens”.

So the hubbub seems to be merely that his American mother’s citizenship alone is not enough to qualify. Is that right? My question would then be… was his mother’s citizenship enough for Obama to be considered a citizen of the United States in general, despite the Presidency?

Of course, all this is to assume that his birth certificate is fake (to which I’ve seen no evidence) and assumes that he was born abroad (to which I’ve seen no evidence).

“when rejecting the appeal, the SCOTUS sent the message”

Sounds reasonable… I’ll accept that for now.

Flashy– Take Your RECIPIENT ‘Culo’ [Spanish for a--] to Puffin’ Blow Post and sing the Praises to your “Lil Tin God” King Hussien Of Amerika-Stan there. The Reason the Courts won’t do anything, is that Infinite Money from the Jewish Nazi, –G. Soros/Schwartz– Buys ANYTHING, from Judges, up to and including Hit Threats. No Politician wants to Open the Rotten Can ‘O Worms of The “African Zebra Wonder’s” Eligibility. The Dems would crucify them, or worse. The Dems are now Full Blown Stalinist Commies. Roosevelt and Stalin were Best Buddies.

TML…just so you know, that SCOTUS case stated that they were not answering any other question since they reached the answer without going further into the defintiion. They explicitly said they were not commenting on what else would fit the definition.

To Flashy:
I have to agree with you on this one. How many times does it have to be told that Obama is a “NATURAL/NATIVE BORN CITIZEN”. He was born in Honolulu, Hi. on Aug. 4, 1961. He show his birth certificate, which is legitimate by the way. Even, the Gov. of Hi,
who’s a Repub. himself, has pointed this out. What does Obama have to do, show a home movie of his birth? This is ridiculous now. If you want him out of office, then condemn his policies not make up bizarre theories that can’t hold water. Even, that incompetent, Romney, has admitted this. It’s time we, as Americans, accept this truth. Thanks!!

“TML…just so you know, that SCOTUS case stated that they were not answering any other question since they reached the answer without going further into the defintiion. They explicitly said they were not commenting on what else would fit the definition.”

True… they were not there to give a full definition, but one only required for the case, however, all historic documentation for such a definition does mention parents as a plural. A small technicality, that even I question.

Flashy says:

“And if it came down to it…I have no doubt some yahoo would place some document under a microscope and declare that the third wood fiber of the second paragrapgh is twisted differently than any other..proving it to be a fake. And there would be those grasping that as gospel. ”

I say – Flashy – you are grasping as gospel that Obama is eligible as President. Where is the proof – show me the concealed records which he is hiding at your $$$ expense. What tuition did he pay at Occidental College, Columbia? How did he travel to Pakistan when American Passport holders could not travel there (in the eightees)? What kindergarten did he attend and who was the doctor or midwife who delivered him at his “Hawaii” birth?

Flashy – smell the coffee, will you?

one of 300….(more accurate wouldn’t you say?)…call me when you get to the proof of the twisted wood fiber in the second paragrapgh

TML says:
February 22, 2012 at 10:19 am

You must not have looked very hard, the appeals court in Indiana ruled on his eligiablity in 2009 and ruled that being born in the usa regardless of the parents citizenship is being a natural born citizen, so they have defined it and earlier this month the court in Geogia ruled the same and cited the Indiana ruling.

WRONG The courts have looked at the complaints and evidence and has thrown it out as bogus except in two cases that ruled he is a natural born citiizen

You lie too much smilee. Let’s see what happens in Indiana this year. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Ummmm how can a part of the Constitution be “illegal” or unConstitutional?

@ Flashy, I guess one would consider a repealed one as unconstitutional. An covered lie, like a buried dog bone is still one no matter how much dirt you throw on it.

Well…i would hope no one is calling for a repeal of the Due process or Equal protection clauses…

Michael says:
February 22, 2012 at 9:55 am
The Constitution does not give Congress the right to oversee the Supreme Court, the excecutive, the congress and the court have separate and equal powers and have no authority over each other

Pretty convoluted lack of reasoning, Michael – where is your brain screwed in!!? But the bigotry of this bunch is really being flushed out, so we can really see the hate that motivates you all so much.

As an aside…why would being a member of a religious sect matter as to his qualifications for the office?