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The Violent Militarization Of Local Police

February 13, 2012 by  

The Violent Militarization Of Local Police

Law-abiding citizens are no longer safe from police. Once the motto for police officers was “To protect and serve,” but now it seems to be “To harass, assault and attack.”

Across the country, police officers are increasingly militarized and increasingly militant. They make up laws out of thin air, claiming that innocuous activities like watching or videotaping police activities — including arrests on public streets,  walking in certain neighborhoods, parking on certain streets and putting trash in trash cans — are crimes.

While the vilest offenders are SWAT teams, even regular patrol officers become violent at the least provocation. Thanks to YouTube and similar content-sharing sites, more of these incidents are coming to light. However, capturing video of these incidents has put the videographer at risk from the police, who often unlawfully and forcibly take the phone or camera and erase its contents or remove its memory card. It’s not unusual for the videographer to be roughed up and/or threatened with arrest in the process. A list of recent incidences of police brutality and other police misconduct can be read at Injustice Everywhere.

Cops have come to think of themselves as gods above the law whose commands are to be obeyed immediately and without question. Any hesitation often leads to the “suspect” being left bleeding and broken or quivering from electricity introduced by a TASER. It doesn’t matter if the person was unable to understand the command because of a language barrier, or if the person was unable to comply due to disability or defect. Officers expect immediate and complete compliance with no questions asked.

They are shooting dogs for barking, Tasing (see here and here) and pepper spraying children in schools and shooting wheelchair-bound men in the streets. They apparently feel they operate above the law.

Many, if not most, patrol cars now carry dash cams. Sometimes, dash cam videos are preserved, which allows abused citizens — if they are persistent and dogged enough — to get justice and restitution occasionally. Such was the case shown here, where the officer threatened to shoot a suspect in the head for not revealing he had a concealed weapon in the car. Often, though, the dash cam video mysteriously disappears before trial.

According to a report by the CATO Institute, tens of thousands of raids are conducted by SWAT teams each year. The report claimed:

These increasingly frequent raids, 40,000 per year by one estimate, are needlessly subjecting nonviolent drug offenders, bystanders, and wrongly targeted civilians to the terror of having their homes invaded while they’re sleeping, usually by teams of heavily armed paramilitary units dressed not as police officers but as soldiers. These raids bring unnecessary violence and provocation to nonviolent drug offenders, many of whom were guilty of only misdemeanors. The raids terrorize innocents when police mistakenly target the wrong residence. And they have resulted in dozens of needless deaths and injuries, not only of drug offenders, but also of police officers, children, bystanders, and innocent suspects.

The so-called War on Drugs is undoubtedly the casus belli for the increased militarization of the police. SWAT officers are armed and armored as well as, if not better than, soldiers. Drug task forces receive Federal funding to purchase assault weapons, armor and armored vehicles to use in drug raids. They no longer serve warrants by knocking on doors or by picking up suspects on the streets. Instead, they bash down doors or use chain saws to gain entry.

SWAT teams argue their safety requires they swarm into homes. But that doesn’t negate the fact that they create an explosive situation that often leads to innocent people being harmed or killed. Sadly, they often force their way into the wrong residence.

The instance in Tucson, Ariz., in which Iraq veteran Jose Guerena was shot 60 times by SWAT officers in his home is prima facie evidence of the danger these situations create.

In the early morning hours Guerena’s wife, Vanessa, saw a man pointing a gun at her through the window. She awakened her husband, who was asleep after working the night shift. Thinking a home invasion was in progress, Guerena told his wife to get into a closet and grabbed his gun.

The SWAT team forced open the door and opened fire on Guerena, then stood by and watched him bleed for an hour before letting paramedics treat him. By then, he was dead. SWAT officers then lied about who shot first. The safety was still on Guerena’s gun, indicating he never fired. Nothing illegal was found in Guerena’s home.

It is grounded in conservative American psyche to defend oneself and one’s home. Yet responding to an unannounced and violent intrusion by police will leave you as dead as it left Guerena.

And even if you aren’t shot dead, the police have no qualms about destroying your residence. They claim it is police procedure to gas the house, tear up floor boards, kick in doors and walls, and strew contents of cabinets and furniture to the winds. Requests for compensation are ignored, even if nothing was ever found.

But it’s not just suspected drug dealers who feel the wrath of police officers. Just ask Marianne Godboldo of Detroit. Police thugs forcibly removed her daughter for the crime of Godboldo not giving her daughter a pill prescribed by a physician.

Most people dismiss claims of an increasingly violent and aggressive police force as either conspiracy theory or sour grapes by criminals. Minorities have long seen their claims of police brutality dismissed out of hand by white America. Many people naively believe that if they don’t commit a crime, they won’t have anything to worry about from police. But it’s high time that people see this for what it is and connect the dots on the news stories of today.

Congress has just authorized having as many as 30,000 unmanned drones patrolling the U.S. skies. The FBI and Department of Homeland Security are greatly expanding the definition of extremist and terrorist to include people performing normal activities or objecting to paying taxes. The USA Patriot Act and the National Defense Authorization Act have given government carte blanche to detain Americans without charge and without trial and ship them to the Guantanamo Bay prison resort.

In a series of debates on socialism in 1914, John Basil Barnhill said, “Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.” The government fears the people and the coming conflagration it has sparked. By tightening its grasp on liberty through the militarization of the police force, the pendulum is swinging to where the people are now beginning to fear their government.

Where this will lead is anybody’s guess, but I predict it won’t be pretty.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Eric Bischoff

    The Police work for the 1%.

    • icetrout

      Police & military are just a very thin Black & Blue Line.The hordes will overwhelm them in the 1st hour.

      • ekim

        Whoa Ice, that will not be necessary ! You will find that those you think are the enemy are FAR rfom it ! Do you think these folks, and that is what they are, FOLKS, have their eyes and ears closed to what is taking place ? NO, they know who is paying their salary !
        We must know HOW and WHO to blame for this MIS-CARRIAGE of government and lay that BLAME in a lawful way at the doorstep of the culprit !

    • DaveH
      • Eric Bischoff

        DaveH and where might I ask did you get that thought? It doesn’t seem to matter where I stand on anything you can always be counted on to negate any thought or idea I put forth even when we are in agreement. What’s that about?

      • DaveH

        Are you no longer a Big Government loving Progressive, Eric?

    • ekim

      WHOA Eric, YOU and I pay the police ! WE are the government, NEVER FORGET THAT ! We have been complacent and allowed this politically correctness to flourish, SHAME on those who have taken advantage of the busy lifestyles that have kept us quite ! NOW, shame on US if we do nothing, knowing the outcome of complacency ! ENGAGE the problem where you stand, take it to the root cause, and educate your family and neighbors in the history of PATRIOTS who HAVE and WILL die for LIBERTY and FREEDOM !

    • Mark Are
    • JeffH

      Another brilliant comment from the self proclaimed progressive known as “Eric the Red”! Just as Ron White said, you can’d be fixed!

      • Eric Bischoff

        OK Jeff then explain to me why the police are brutalizing Veterans who dare to demonstrate and complain about our government and their lack of fairness. Who are they cracking heads for? I know that in NY, they are doing it for Bloomberg the billionaire and his wealthy buddies on Wall St. They are not protecting and serving the 99%.

      • JeffH

        Eric the Red, for your info and mine…who are the 99% and don’t try to insult me by saying it’s the OWS protesters because they might represent even less than 1%…it’s just another progressive slogan…you, being the hard core progressive that you are, may buy into and believe that crap, but I don’t.

  • gene

    I have written this many times in comments, in southern California many years ago a questionare was given out to military personal and one of the questions was if ordered to do so can you turn your weapon on the civilian populous, it is coming

    • patty

      That questionaire was not just in CA. Believe me.

  • Greg

    Ive seen enough and I am fully convinced that we will lose all of our freedom.
    I have a feeling that no matter who becomes president this year we will lose as a country.
    The second ammendment will free us if we need to use it. We the common free citizens need to
    organize and prepare. A revolution is coming and we will need to be prepared. I just hope that people get
    their heads out of the sand sooner than later.

    • gene

      there is one, his name is Ron Paul, I think he is all american

    • ekim

      Worry NOT about those who can think !
      WORRY only about those FEW anarchists and COMMIES !
      Who drive the engines of the youngsters to their own demise !
      They will not SWAY TRUE PATRIOTS !
      WE KNOW THE TRUTH !

  • http://N/A SSG. LASSITER-RVN-’66-’70

    NO WAY IN HELL WILL MY GENERATION OF VETERANS & CIVILLIANS ALLOW THE DAMN POLICE OR GOVERNMENT TO TAKE OUR FREEDOMS & LIBERTIES. THERE WILL BE CIVIL WAR! BEFORE “WE” LET THAT HAPPEN. “WE” OUTNUMBER THE BASTARDS AND DO NOT FEAR THEM AND “WE” ARE 80% VETERANS WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE OF MILITARY TACTICS. “WE” WILL WAGE A GUREILLA WAR YOU CAN’T EVEN IMAGINE. LET’S “PARTY”.

    • ekim

      You tell ‘em Sarge, it will come with sussession and escalate from there !
      ” Yes, we will gather at the river “, will never have been more true in our lifetime !

    • Kevin

      I believe that the military and law enforcement will stand by the Constitution and not attack the American citizens and lock them into camps.
      I believe that is what Obama believes as well. Why, because he had wanted a force of 2.5 million volunteers with military and police powers.

      I have heard that there are dozens of Islamic terrorist traing camps in the US. Is this the intended targets for these militarized police?

      • patty

        Those camps are here because Obama refuses to protect our borders and gives them weapons through ‘fast and furious’. It is not just Mexicans coming over our borders and this includes Canada.

  • nick beck

    if the population stands by and lets the turncoat politicos take away the second adm. —they deserve the consequences. the bottom line is – WE DO OUTNUMBER THEM AND WE DO OUT GUN THEM at some point in the future [ and i hope it never comes to that ] the only thing we need are the guts to act.

    • ekim

      Nick, we are currently giving voice to this dis-satisfaction with the status quo created by the elites in DC ! Please feel free to continue participating here and thanks for your input !
      I would also invite you to join those who are taking the PEOPLES VOICE to DC, pick ANY of the organizations who truly care about LIBERTY and the advancement of FREEDOM and JOIN them !

  • Karolyn

    This is still weird and happened last week. I can’t see any posts until I post something.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com/contact-us/ Personal Liberty Support

      We are looking into this situation. Also, we are making some upgrades this week, so you may see a glitch or two along the way, especially later this week. Hopefully, all of these issues will be resolved by this time next week.
      Thanks for your patience.

    • JeffH

      K, I went through the same thing last week…when I would post a comment all was fine but if I left the site and returned my initial posts wouldn’t show up until I made another post, then voilà…seems all is well for me now. Figured it to be a “glitch”.

      • JeffH

        K…forgot to mention, I had to re-enter all of my info each time also. As I said, all seems to be well now.

  • Brian

    Being a police officer for over 17 years I can tell you that these are isolated incidents. I do believe that the younger officers are more likely to have the “how dare you” attitude, but this is not the case for all of us. The overwhelming majority are pro-freedom and side with the general public. The problems we all have is with the current president and his administration who HATE the fact that we are all free and are doing everything they can to take those freedoms. The police are still there to help and it’s a thankless job.

    • NC

      Brian, I must have the worst case of BO in the world! Not one of Obamas “freedom hating police” have come knocking at my door. H*ll, they haven’t even called me on the phone. No police squads or Army trucks running up and down my street with loud speakers DEMANDING that I show up for deportation to some camp!Have you seen any? I’m feeling left out of all the evidence that our country is in such great peril that we need a revolution. Where would you guys who feel so “threatened” by the government suggest that I move to so that I can feel “threatened” too! I will even change soap to be one of the “threatened”!! Paranoia can be treated!!!

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Coming soon to a theater near you. Just wait. If Obama is re-elected, I would not be surprised to see the FEMA camps put to use.

      • DaveH

        When they do, it will be too late to stop it.

      • DaveH

        NC says — “Paranoia can be treated!!!”.
        So can Ignorance, but you have to want to treat it.

      • JUKEBOX

        Ignorance and Stupidity both need to be physically painful.

    • eddie47d

      This problem of police power has been around for decades yet it has become worse since the Patriot Act was initiated. We are now guiltier upfront than we were even a few years ago. Now they have these laws that can strip you of your rights without you even knowing it so just wait until the next faze kicks in under NDAA.The police are generally immune to prosecution and even when charged with misconduct they are mostly reinstated.

      • JeffH

        Welcome to the paranoid world of the progressives.

      • JeffH

        FYI eddie, I’m not disagreeing with you…I’m saying that this is the kind of world and the government the “progressive mentality” is supporting.

      • eddie47d

        I would lay it all at the feet of anyone who wants to control the movement of others and the civil rights of others. Whether Conservative or Progressive.

      • JeffH

        Fortunately, the conservative agenda is all about small government, lower taxes, freedom & liberty…unlike the Big Government, nanny state ever controlling progressive agenda.

      • ScottieG not a fan

        Not true. The media has brought police brutality to the public. Now officers are trained to handle many issues, not just SWAT. In the past brutality was much, much worse. Now younger officers enter full of piss and vinegar and they are more aggressive than the seasoned officers on the force.

        Police brutality has actually decreased. Officers are mostly held accountable unless they fall into a protective class. However, incidents of brutality are isolated.

        The media is so far to the left they have no problem reporting with little facts, without the facts or twisting the facts. Once aired the incident goes viral and the incident is in the court of the public.

        The media promotes fear in the public. And as seen here the majority believes what they see and read in the papers, never asking what the real story is or the background of the incident.

    • ekim

      NOT SO Brian! WE THE PEOPLE may not tell you every day, THANK YOU, but most of us know what it is to deal with the public ! You and I, evidently, have the same values required of PATRIOTS who believe in the FRAMERS of our society, that man can GOVERN HIMSELF ! Sometimes he needs a nittle push in the right direction ! It is too bad that there are those who continue to increasingly intend to precariously control the rest of us through unconstitutional legislation ! THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL !
      Thanks, and keep your chin up ! The ” Silent Majority ” are with you 99% !

      • patty

        Ekim and Brian – I agree. What I see more are the loony’s living in your neighborhoods that call the police and they are just following up on the call. I had (yes, had, funny what writing to all of your neighbors and telling them it is a good time to sell with a list of realtors can do)a few of them in the neighborhood and the police have been very polite to me, even though I was not very polite to them. What bothers me is that when I ask who complained, they will not give me their name. When I go to the station to get the report, they black out the name. I thought I had a right to know who my accuser was. I was planning to take legal action against them. Most of the posts here about bad cops came from bad neighbors who called in. Just because the neighbors think the Hells Angels moved into your quiet little up scale cul de sac, you should have checked the neighborhood out better because I have lived here longer than any of them. And ya, I ride a bike. Doesn’t mean I belong to a biker gang. Actually, I have ridden with the local City Heat. A police bike organization.

    • DaveH

      Isolated? It depends on what your definition of “isolated” is:
      http://reason.org/news/printer/45-swat-raids-per-day

    • Mark Are

      So, Brian…let me ask you. WOULD YOU ARREST ME for carrying a concealed firearm without a permit??

    • John

      Wrong Brian, It is not isolated. today’s police officers are on a power trip and will do anything to get the rush of power….and they don’t care about the citizens.

  • http:bobstrut.blogspot.com Bob Knows

    Your local police are and always have been the enforcement arm of Progressive police state control of men who once were free. They were created during the Progressive revolution, and have become more and more violent as the government takes more and more control of our lives. Their existence is the antithesis of free men. No Conservative should ever support Police State Tyranny.

    • ekim

      Hi BK, I submit that no one here is supporting POLICE STATE TYRANNY, who would do that ! Perhaps those who would benefit from the growing diselusional idea that a police force is detrimental to the community would gladly return to the days of the old west, simply because many, like you evidently, have not visited historical reality and discovered the TRUE reasons for the necessity of LAW ENFORCEMENT and accountability for personal actions.
      Thanks for your participation in this discussion and please take thim to rethink your indifference to LAW ENFORCEMENT ! BE PREPARED to GET INVOLVED !

      • DaveH

        We could contract our security to private firms (as many already do), or provide our own. It would be our choice, and it would most likely be more efficient and cost-effective as things usually are in the Private Sector compared to the Public Sector.
        More from Lew Rockwell:
        http://mises.org/daily/2560

      • John

        Only one short coming, a private security corporation does NOT swear an oat to the constitution nor do they have to follow it if they don’t want. In fact, after a while and after they have tasted the power they will give a rats arse about it and thus you would slip from one extreme into the other… who protects you from the thugs of the private security corporations? Especially after they are around for a while and all report to the same owner in a monopoly? Corruption will rampant… just as it is now.

      • DaveH

        Oh come on, John, since when has swearing an oath to the Constitution kept Government officials from doing as they damn-well-please?
        The difference with private security firms is that they lose their jobs if they don’t make the effort. And if they abuse people they don’t have the Biggest Gang in the land to back them up.
        You should read this:
        http://mises.org/journals/scholar/Hoppe.pdf

  • cawmun cents

    Once awhile back in my neighborhood,a little old man perhaps ninety years old was cleaning his .22cal rifle on his front porch.A paranoid local woman called the police saying a madman was loose with a gun.
    The SWAT team arrived with twelve units and a helicopter,cordoning off the area in a two block radius.My children and I watched from the bay window of our breakfast nook as the members of the Sheriffs Department deployed to reconnoiter the situation.One member of the SWAT team was climbing on our fence to gain access to the neighbors yard,and slipped off tearing his pants open,revealing his undergarments,causing myself and children to laugh uproarously.He then,ignoring us as we came out to the front porch laughing to see if there would be further hilarity,climbed up on the neighbors roof to get a birds eye view of the supposed”madman”.There he was,posterior hanging out,dressed in body armor with his AR-15 at the ready,when he noticed the man sitting in his yard calmly cleaning his gun,and the knowledge that everything was as it should be,overtook him.The whole affair was a testament to the paranoia of delusional thinking to which our citizens have been exposed.
    I realize that some of you out there in your own minds will ask the question,”well what if it WAS a madman?”
    The answer to that is that a madman does things which reveal his madness,like shooting at others for instance.
    I must very brazenly state to you paranoid delusionals out there,that the police cannot protect you from madmen or lunatics.Their service is limited to arresting an alleged perpetrator,often after a crime has already been committed.The protection is only implied through presence,and not to be confused with actual protection,which the citizen is required by wisdom to supplly for him/herself.

    • DaveH

      Very good, Cawmun.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      I don’t think it is advisable to clean your weapons on you front porch in the first place. Do you?

      • Mark Are

        Why not? What kind of violent activity is that? No, I think he should cower in a corner of his basement while he cleans his .22. After all, he should realize that he is putting himself at risk by cleaning the gun on his porch. Risk of being shot 60 times for his heinous act. Why did you even say that?

      • patty

        I would not publically clean my gun because I don’t want anyone to know I have one or more……or any…..

      • Antonio

        Why can someone not clean their weapons or anything on their front porch or back porch or side porch??? They bought their house didn’t they? That “porch” came with that house didn’t it? They pay their annual UNCONSTITUTIONAL taxes on the property that the porch is on, right? So why the —- can’t they do whatever they want to do on their damn porch man??

  • tim

    I used to get pissed off when people called the police pigs. Most of them are worthy of that name now. Here in las vegas nevada you have a choice of cooperating very rapidly or being shot. Most of the time they skip the tasering…They go to court and lie about the situations and then thier sherriff will say they are investigating the coroners report and what the officer said. What’s with that gillespie, you said that on the news a year or more ago!! Just ask the officer that shot trevon cole. He’s still on the streets looking for his next victim!!!

    • ekim

      WHOA ! Slow down Tim ! Like you,I too was taken aback by the 60′s jargon calling our protectors ” PIGS “, but I am holding out hope that our society has not completely lost touch with reality and has an idea that they are no longer needed. NOT SO ! They are needed NOW more than any time in our history ! We are being invaded and much of the clamor for reduced enforcementcomes from the very individuals who ARE THE PROBLEM !
      Take heart in the fact that if things continue in this direction you may get a look at why we need them, FIRST HAND !

      • hipshotpercusion

        Ekim, they are not our protectors. It went all the way to the Supreme court who established that they the Police are under no obligation to protect anyone. I am licensed by the State of Florida to carry a concealed weapon, not just a gun. i provide my own protection. As the old question gos.”Call for a Cop, call for an Ambulance, or call for a Pizza. See who shows up first.”

      • Capitalist at Birth

        The pizza would get my bet.

      • JUKEBOX

        When I went to my local courthouse, and almost had to undress to enter, I was told “IT’S FOR YOUR PROTECTION, SIR”. He was not too happy when I told him to worry about his safety, and I would worry about mine.

      • NC

        Ekim, a lot more level headed citizens still respect the police than the right wing rambos who write here! These are the people you see on “JAIL” who mouth off to the police and get put down by the enforecement officers. You will notice that those officers don’t go out looking for the dumb butts! All they have to do is hang around the station and wait for the “bad a$$es” to be brought to them!!They show up everytime with right wing written all over them!!

        There are a lot of people in this country who worry every day about their loved ones out trying to protect us from people with guns who don’t have enough sense to own a slingshot!

  • gene

    not only the police but it goes all the way up to the district attoneys and the judges, they can not be trusted anymore

    • ekim

      Hi Gene, these officers are merely doing a job ! You hit on the problem, but it is truly much deeper and goes much higher in the ” government of the people ” !

      • Mark Are

        yeah, and the GESTAPO was only doing their job too. Sorry, I didn’t mean to shoot your husband mam. I was only doing my job. Moron.

      • JUKEBOX

        I have personal knowledge of corrupt DA’s and judges doing illegal things because of family ties and/or payoffs.

  • Jack Powers

    The sooner we all rise up, in mass, and pack millions inside the D.C. Beltway, the better off we are going to be! I’ve been argueing this for quite a few years now. WE THE PEOPLE have no choice but to strike first and strike hard enough to remove the sitting marxists and criminals from our government buildings with “hands on force.” These scumbag-elitists must be held for adjudication, and in many cases “dangle” for their crimes against the American People and The U.S. Constitution. The Federal government is moving quickly to absolutely negate the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. WE are beyond the 11th hour and time is quickly slipping through our fingers. Believe in what you see here in print. Those FEMA Camps are being stocked and manned for citizens like you and ME. I’ll choose to stand, fight, and die for the principles upon which this country was founded!
    Jack Powers for,
    The Sons Of Liberty

    • Brian

      the sitting marxists and scumbag-elitists” you speak of ARE NOT the police. Most of us are with you in your views. It’s has become that the people WE’VE elected are now the ones we should fear. They are the ones committing crimes against the American People and The U.S. Constitution, & are working together to negate the 2nd Amendment, NOT the police. The average police officer will be home protecting his or her family when the sh— starts. It’s the government troops that are being brainwashed and trained by the U.N. that we need to worry about.

      • Mark Are

        Yes, it is the POLICE. THEY ENFORCE THE LAWS FOR THE MARXIST SCUMBAGS and violate their oaths of office on a daily basis. The PROTECT AND SERVE their masters…the STATE. All that is left at this point is bad cops. No good cop would want the job any more. PERIOD.

      • John Hand

        Careful Mark oh radicalized one. There are a lot of good cops out there.

      • Marty S.

        Mark check my comments above to Officer Hunt.

      • JUKEBOX

        At the risk of being redundant, it is the career bureaucrats that are dictating new policies and laws to many of our newly elected politicians, who have every intention of improving things.

    • ekim

      Hi Jack, I understand why you are frustrated with the status quo, there seems to be no end in sight for the ridiculous and SHAMEFUL unraveling of OUR CONSTITUION ! The ” SILENT MAJORITY ” is waking and has begun to engage in the RHETORICAL BATTLE for center stage, the lines are being drawn as we breath ! The coming election will be the reconing that will prove, ” without a doubt “, that AMERICAN PATRIOTS have either lost the ” war of words ” and must suspend civil verbage and personally deliver the message on a daily basis to the root of the problem that you so eloquently outlined above !

  • NC

    Bob. I worked with police officers for 35 years and I didn’t see any higher percentage of “bad people” than I would expect to see at a Conservative peoples’ convention of the same number of people!

    What would be interesting to see is YOUR idea of what a police force should look like as to personel and weapons for a city of 100,000 people.Or would you not have a police force at all?

    The larger the population grows, especially in the cities, the more officers we will need but like every other group of people, more bad officers will be included. Just like the military or an office force!

    • gene

      I call them a necessary evil

    • http:bobstrut.blogspot.com Bob Knows

      It is not a few “bad” pigs. It is the whole police state terrorist job of “keeping control” of the people who’s ancestors once were free men. The blue gun thug gangs are the problem, not the solution.

    • ekim

      Thanks NC ! I think Bob missed something on this one ! There are 2 sides to this debate and both must be represented here! By not doing so we run the risk of losing the very protection, through the law, we require !

      • CSS

        The ‘law’ is not here to help the people – it was created by the criminal elite to protect their best interests which is complete power and control over the people. I could tell you some stories about crooked cops, and corrupt judges that protect them, that would make your heads spin. One judge once stated that police officers are required to lie under oath, and most of them do.

        Charles, if you are for the citizens, then myself as an American citizen am requesting that you begin arresting treasonous tyrants beginning at the local level. Let freedon and liberty reign and maybe human beings won’t have to worry about being put into FEMA camps because we’ll keep them open for the real criminals – tyrants who have invaded our government.

    • DaveH

      Funny that when I was a teen, the police were greatly constrained compared to today. And things were just fine then.
      Lew Rockwell’s take on things:
      http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=106

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Lew Rockwell is a loon.

      • DaveH

        You’re a Loon, Crony Capitalist.

      • DaveH

        Principled men do tend to sound like “loons” to those whose Principles bend to suit their personal gains.

    • Mark Are

      In the past police officers carried 6 shot revolvers in cities with 100,000. So why all of a sudden do they need armored personal carriers, machine guns, tasers and all kinds of other horse crap killing and torturing devices. WE NEED VOLUNTARY SECURITY COMPANIES TO CONTRACT with. We don’t need government controlled goons to do our policing. Recently I saw a PARK RANGER that had a Glock, 4 spare magazines, a taser, as well as who knows what else in his SUV. WHY? FOR WHAT? Those bad assed chipmunks? Give them those “toys” and they will look for reasons to use it.

      • patty

        Actually, this came about several years ago when in CA there was a bank robbery and the robbers out gunned the cops with automatics (AK47). The cops had to retreat to the local gun store and get weopons to defend themselves. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

      • John Hand

        Private security companies to protect you? Like I said somewhere up above, they are usually untrained and unqualified. I would rather depend on myself if I had to go that route.

    • JUKEBOX

      A lot of unqualified people will be hired due to Federal intervention into the lowering of locally mandated hiring standards for police officers.

      • patty

        And Presidents… :) Affirmative action results.

    • mike1127

      A majority of the laws that the police are enforcing are either stupid or un-Constitutional. The “War on Drugs” is an excellent example. That covers both of those examples. It has clearly failed, and failed badly, yet the police are still required to arrest drug offenders. The resources required for this could be far better utilized in going after murderers, rapists, and other violent offenders. Look at the money and room taken up in our jails and prisons by a bunch of hippies. It’s ridiculous. As long as cigarettes and alcohol can be sold, we should be able to buy marijuana. Just taking the potheads out of the system would free up a vast amount of resources needed to fight real crimes.

  • TOCB

    When conservatives begin to complain about police brutality, there is a real problem. Of course, to soome of us this is nothing new.

  • big wyo

    Where in wyoming??? I will check it out and let you know.

  • Dwight Mann

    It is up to the citizens of the greatest nation on earth to defend its liberties. It is just a part of the NWO, UN, agenda 21 implementation.
    Get the US out of the UN, and the UN out of the US.
    I am tired of these global idiots that want to destroy us. . .

    • ekim

      Dwight, thanks for keeping your eye on the ball ! Much of this problem is being created by the bleeding hearts who blame ” law enforcement ” for the escalation in this situation when, generally, it is the perpetrator who causes the escalation.
      Officers are not out looking for someone to pick on !

      • gene

        want to bet on that, my son was pulled over because someone reported him drunk driving, 3 officers pulled him over and gave him the breath test 3 times and it came up 0, one of the officers ask the others if there was something else they could get him on, since there was nothing else they followed him the rest of the evening and told him over the car speaker to go home, this follow for several weeks and was finally arrested on lies and there were 5 witnesses and they were all swept under the rug, never will I ever trust another cop period, they are all crooked

      • Karolyn

        It’s all in who you know in a small town. My supervisor’s kids have gotten hassled by the cops, but since the chief knows her, nothing ever comes of it.

      • mike1127

        You are so wrong. All a “perp” has to do to escalate the situation is breathe wrong. If he were to sneeze, he would probably get a broken rib or three. The police now are a far cry from the ones most of us on here grew up with. I trust a cop about as far as I can spit a dead bull.

    • ekim

      The NWO takes this situation and uses it to turn the opinion of good people to their way of thinking as if they are going to protect the everyday citizen better than those who have taken on that ” highly provocative career ” ! That is not so !

    • DaveH

      NWO or not, get US out of the UN! They are working hard to take away our Sovereignty.

      • mike1127

        Agreed. We don’t need to be in any group that so obviously hates our way of life. The U.N. is doing its best to destroy America, and a lot of our bought-off politicians (Hillary, Obama, et. al.) are helping them do so.

  • Son kidnapped home invaded

    Last night my home was invaded by 3 Suffolk County Police officers. This was done in spite of a sole custody agreement that I have had since 2001 and it was done to assist my forme spouse in federal income tax fraud and tax evasion. My ex has been a dead beat Dad. Who is allowed by Suffolk County NY to write his own court orders, police reports etc.Not a court employee.The IRS has caught on to his having been claiming myself and our son as exemptins for the past 12 years. He does not support us. This week he forced our son out of my house brought him to his residence. Where he resides with his 2nd wife by bigamy.When my son came home. The 3 SCPD officers invaded my home forced him into their car and elivered him to his DEADBEAT Dad. who was waiting around the corner.This was witnessed by my neighbors and my two tenants.

    • Karolyn

      I hope you have a voice. Contact your state Attorney General immediately! Go to your local newspaper! Light a fire under your attorney! Be a voice for the many who suffer as you do! We can’t let people walk all over us.

      • DaveH

        Probably the best thing she can do is make that information public as soon as possible, but I would be leery of the local paper if the husband has that kind of power.

      • JUKEBOX

        There are too many corrupt judges throughout our courts today to give honest and fair protection to honest citizens.

  • Charles Hunt

    A good many of your articles are interesting and informative. In this case, however, you are FAR wide of the mark. As a law-enforcement professional of over 25 years experience, I can unequivically state that the vast majority of police officers are polite, humane, proffessional people. We are patriotic Americans that serve out of a sense of community that you apparently lack. I will not argue the fact that there are those that are not fit to be in law enforcement, just as there are those that should not be soldiers, lawyers, dentists or authors. But, to tar the entire profession with the same brush is both unfair and stupid. It appears that you have an axe to grind, or some mental state that renders you paranoid about all police officers.
    If each and every police officer in America turned in his, or her, badge and gun, you probably wouldn’t have time to write such specious articles as you would be too busy defending yourself against the predators that would inevitably be prowling our streets.

    • former walmart person

      All I can say is I hope you are right. When the crap hits the fan, I hope to God the good police and military side with us common peasants and against he elites in power… I know that alot of you keep quiet to save your job. But when all hell breaks loose, you won’t really have your job anymore anyway.

      Here’s me saluting you and other good cops.

      • ruth

        so true, i to hope if it comes to that, that our military and police will be brave enough to take charge of their own minds to help and protect it’s citizens, and their own families, of the UNITD STATES OF AMERICA! GOD BLESS AMERICA and ISRAEL and OUR MILITARY.

    • jbird50

      Charles Hunt,

      I will have to argue with your “vast majority” comment, and I’m not surprised that as part of the “good ole boy” network, you would support other officers. As a former newspaper reporter, I have been around many police officers and I find this article on the mark. In the course of my work I learned that a local police chief had an alcohol problem and had been stopped for drunk driving numerous times by police in surrounding municipalities. He was never charged with DUI. Instead, they drove him home. This was common knowledge, but none of the police officers or departments would confirm it on the record. Finally, one of his own courageous officers found him in his vehicle, passed out on the side of the road with the engine running. He blew a .17. He was convicted by a special prosecutor and the conviction was upheld through subsequent appeals even though a chief from a nearby municipality testified the two had been together all night and had not been drinking. By the way, the city fired the arresting officer on month later. So much for doing the right thing.

    • Ivan

      Unfortunately when the predators occupy the highest offices in the nation,we must be careful who we trust. When the day comes to choose sides, I hope my local lawmen come out on my side.

      • mike1127

        Go to the OathKeepers website. You can print out a little card that you can hand to every cop you meet. OathKeepers is an organization that all citizens should get every cop and soldier they know to join.

        Remember what that oath was sworn to. It was not your government.

      • John

        Private contractors and private army’s don’t swear an oat to the constitution and do NOT have to abide by the Geneva laws of engagement.(I always lol when I hear soldiers complain that the Taliban don’t abide by the Geneva convention…. frankly, they don’t have to, the Geneva convention only regulates official government troops)
        And thus if the craper hits the fan, you will find that most of the functions will be done by private corporations ,mercenaries and the UN. Why do you believe so many prisons are privately run and so many prison guards don’t report to the local government but to a private corporation? because that way they don’t have to worry about oats to the constitution or responsibility to the people.

      • ruth

        SURE SO!

      • ruth

        DANG, SURE HOPE SO!

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      @Charlie Hunt: Charlie I thank you for your 25yrs of community service as a policeman. Today seems to be a different climate for the cops; the training and emphasis is on the tactical and SWAT methods rather than patrol and community. Not that community is not communicated and paid attention too, but the SWAT team and the tactical method is given a HUGE amount of attention. You never see the patrol guys go to Nevada for ‘street training’ but our SWAT team gets treated like rock stars!

      I appears some of this tactical stuff is a little like stored up adrenalin and testosterone: someday it comes out and that is what if firing up the kettle for public dissension against the ‘police’. Livingston and others are hearing and seeing this sporadic release of ‘let’s use our tactical advantage’ mantra is these midnight house raids and indeed some of them are just ludicrous in their staging (good grief, a wrong address? seriously? Who did the SO on this?!)

      Sometimes, frankly I think if the public was able to defend themselves better than they do now, perhaps they might be better off and the police would have fewer trips.

      • FRANK DECOLA

        I agree with you on this. It also gives the perception that they use
        these tactics as an (exercise). Since they going at petty criminals and eventually the innocents get dragged in.

    • ekim

      Hi Charlie, WELL SAID ! There is another side of this subject that was not mentioned in the article ! It has to do with the blatant disrespect officers face constantly when it becomes necessary for ANY detention of the public.
      I am an onlooker in the situation at hand and have no dog in the hunt ! Truth is the job of law enforcement is very taxing on those who truly believe it must be done !
      Only the CRIMINALS will benefit from a LAX enforcement of ” Law And Order ” !

      • DaveH

        There are other jobs if they can’t handle the heat. The only task for police should be to apprehend suspected criminals as peacefully as possible. If that means staking out their homes for a week to avoid a violent confrontation, then so be it. If the perps get wind of the operation and flush their drugs, wouldn’t it be easier to retrieve them from the sewer, or if not, is it really the end of the world if the evidence gets flushed?
        There is no excuse for our would-be protectors to become our potential killers.

      • Les

        Doing the job right doesn’t make good TV:

        • Waco is just one fine example of what law enforcement is up to. Waco was supposed to be a “BATF takes out Cult Video”. But someone called them and setup a fire fight. Even the local Sheriff said all they had to do was knock on the door and arrest him. Later using PYSOPS tactics again them and killing everyone simplified writing the “truth” about what really happened.

        • Katrina is another example of where we are headed with law enforcement and the military going against the citizens. A lot of your “peacekeepers” were doing the looting while the military went door to door seizing citizen’s fire arms. Which by the way have never been returned to this date.

        That’s just a small sample of what’s going on.

      • mike1127

        Respect is earned, not given. The actions of the police over the last decade have not demanded respect. Just the opposite, in fact.

    • gene

      when you see a person being arrested, harassed, and know they are not guilty do you step in and try to stop it, if not you are part of the problem, do you go against your fellow officers, no because then you are in jeopardy of loosing your own job

      • SSGDave

        I’ve seen good and bad officers in my time working LEO as well as USGov as a soldier and civilian, and nothing will ever stop me from preventing all the bad i possibly can. I still remember being blamed for an officer being killed after he brutally beat a 16 yr old for “Smart Mouthing” -the kid’s eyes were rolled up in his head, and he was limp, but the officer kept slamming his face into a rough rock wall until i pulled him off and had to draw my weapon to keep other officers from backing up the “Old boy”, even the super was ignoring it, but 3 weeks later the “Old boy” was found behind a store with his engine on and his driver’s window open, throat cut. The Kid’s family wasn’t rich enough to buy that kind of reprisal, and I know “Our Fellow Officers” didn’t do it- i’d bet Someone didn’t want him in court, but i’m Very Glad i wasn’t alone when his body was found-Immediately they attempted to put me in the light as the perp. To me, this is only a symptom, a group within the group like in South America. We, like with any job, can be fired, disciplined, and jailed for wrongdoing despite the “Public Image” of being untouchable-but bad apples are the ones we have to get out of the barrel before we can call ourselves completely clean. Do your part, and i’ll do mine.

      • Loretta

        What is the percentage of bad to good police????

      • LTC_Ray_Burke

        Excellent question, Loretta. My question is, where would you ever hope to find an HONEST answer?

      • Old Henry

        If that 16 year old had been my son that cop would not have had his throat slit with the window down – he would have had his head blown off and the window with it. A 12 gauge is a multi-purpose tool.

      • mike1127

        Exactly. Anyone, I don’t care who, that kills one of my children is dead. I’m tired of seeing drug dealers go to prison for life, while child molesters and murderers are out in less than 10.

        The war on drugs is a crock that encourages crooked police. Since it has been implemented, the police can now keep anything that you “may ” have bought with drug money. They can get your house, car, fishing boat, anything you own, and sell it at auction to make money to buy new equipment. I knew we were doomed as soon as that was allowed to be legal.

        When the police benefit financially from arrests, there will definitely be more arrests. The proceeds from these illegal police auctions should go to charity, the Ronald McDonald House, local homeless shelters, animal shelters, anywhere except to the police.

      • http://www.facebook.com/annathule Christine

        I have ever yet had a reason for disrespecting cops and the work they do, in fact I’m married to an ex-correctional officer, whose family is full of cops, an uncle who was a sheriff, FBI and ATF, etc. etc. (Boo and hiss all you want guys, it’s a fact.) That being said, I’ve had a WHOOOOOLE lotta reasons to have been busted over the years (when I was younger and “in the high life” you understand!) and have been cut some pretty miraculous breaks. Not only that, but BECAUSE I trust the cops, I had a neighbor (truly and for deathly real) threaten to kill me because I “didn’t have the street smarts not to know enough not to to talk to the cops”. Well, why shouldn’t I? But we live in a small town and a small county where my husband grew up, so w/ him speaking the lingo and knowing someone that someone else knows, we get seen as “the good guys” and our word gets taken at its value. If the other folks just behaved, so would they! (And ohhh Lordy, I can’t take that boy ANY where but what he doesn’t run across someone he knows! I envy him that.)

        BUT…. my point being – knowing the bunch that lives around me, +shudder+ “that family wasn’t that rich” to get something done like that, they didn’t need to be. Someone would do it, simply because the boy who was killed or badly beaten was “family” and you don’t mess w/ family. You actually might’ve gotten some street cred for that! If the boy’s friends or family saw you protecting him. That’s ++valuable++ insurance when you live in that world and work in it, etc. My husband had the respect of most of the inmates – not cuz he kissed up to them – but because he said what he was gonna do and then did what he said he would. (Like saying “Such-n-such was a rule and if you break that rule I’m going to do ____.” And then he did it.) A lot of folks, not given to respecting authority, understand that kind of respect. Give it, get it. It was my heart’s insurance that if there was a riot, he might be protected. Same for you sir, if you follow what’s laid out in good Queen’s English and then do just what’s necessary and then you’re seen protecting someone from that kind of abuse, that’ll come back to save you one day, count on it. Thank you, sir, for your 25 years off service, in all it’s forms for our country. I hope too, sir, that you are an Oathkeeper. My son is military, but he’s an Oathkeeper as well. No one deserves being painted w/ such a broad brush of such accusations of cruelty or whatever might be the case. I know many such calm and courteous officers. I think enough cops and troops see where this is all leading and it’ll take the UN to subdue us, or at least try. Not our finest, just our worst.

        Now you all in the balcony catcalling me and calling me a brown noser, can just shut up and go hiss and boo at someone else. I’ve said it and I won’t change a word. Have fun w/ your EXTREME fear. Not “necessary fear”, that’s reasonable, but some of y’all are wound just a leeeeettle tight for my tastes. Hey, get saved and y’all won’t need to be worrying all the time and taking such extreme actions. No, I won’t give up my guns, yes I have gear and food, no I’m not a fool. I even believe in the FEMA camps and why those coffins have been stored, but I don’t live peering around corners and jumping at shadows! “Yea, tho I walk thru the valley of the shadow of death…” Try it, it’s a whole lot nicer this way! :)

    • RevNowWhileWeCan

      I know most in law enforcement are good Americans but you are trained to take orders without question. What will you do when marshall law is declared and the want to secure the masses in “camps” for their “safety” and people rebel because that is their choice? Will you sit idley by and let non-violent Americans go about their business or will you follow orders along with the other trained encampment specialists and continue to round everyone up and into the camps? I know you’d probably want to do the right thing as most law officials do but the history shows that when an order is given the men in uniform follow orders and execute tasks handed down from their superiors weather the think it’s right or not. (respectfully)

      • Old Gringo

        Rev, please learn the difference between “marshall” and “martial”

      • LTC_Ray_Burke

        The meaning was obvious, Old Gringo. Any more hairs to split?

      • RevNowWhileWeCan

        Lol…Sorry . I use gut check not spell check.

    • DaveH

      Charles,
      I’m glad to hear that the limited number of police acquaintances of yours were good people. However, your limited experience is just that — Limited. In my limited experience with police acquaintances, 3 out of 4 of them were bald-faced liars. Who knows what else they were capable of.
      One of them, my former neighbor, regularly brought home ‘toys’ that were confiscated from other citizens. It was okay for him because “laws were made to protect us from stupid people”, and he fancied himself ‘not stupid’.
      See here for incidences involving your “polite, humane, proffessional people”:
      http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

      No doubt there were many in Germany and Russia who also excused away the early behaviors of Hitler and Stalin.

      • DaveH

        And Charlie,
        I would be glad to have all the policemen turn in their badges and provide my own defense. At least then, I would know anybody breaking in my house was fair game and I wouldn’t have to worry about the Biggest Gang in the land coming after me relentlessly until I was dead.

      • Old Henry

        DaveH:

        ANYBODY breaking into your house is FAIR GAME – no matter who they are. Breaking and entering is breaking and entering, no mater the culprit(s). You hear glass / door break you shoot first and then ask questions. Protect your castle, prevent yourself from becoming a victim.

      • DaveH

        You missed my point, Henry. Do you think it is not a deterrent to protecting yourself, if you know that those breaking down your door might be the Biggest Gang in the land?

      • DaveH

        I should add that I’m a meticulously moral person, yet in my lifetime I’ve been harassed unduly 3 times by police officers, and only twice by illegal perps.

      • LTC_Ray_Burke

        All things considered, armed government agents of every stripe are potentially dangerous, even deadly. My best advice for the public at large is to avoid all contact with these people and, if unavoidable, proceed with extreme caution. Your very life may depend on it.

    • ArkansasRebel

      Charles, I don’t doubt your sincerity but on the street the reality is different. What the police, and probably also you, feel is permissive is often excessive. When police are subduing someone & force one onto the ground, grinding their face into the grass, ground or pavement, while forcing their arms upward behind their back in an unnatural position, it is natural to resist the pain of having your shoulders forced out of their sockets or muscles stretched beyond endurance. And what results when the subject resists the pain? Police become more aggressive & insist he or she stop “resisting”. Whatever you want to call it, it is still excessive. Police training seems to breed “Rambos” anymore. I am a law abiding citizen, 71 years old, and grew up respecting police officers. I wish I could still say I do & I wish I could still encourage others to do so. I used to think when someone complained of police abuse that they were either wrong or had deserved it. Not anymore.
      Sadly, any good, well meaning officers, such as yourself will get lumped into the same group the article just outlined. Maybe it’s time for those good officers, like yourself, to speak up when you see the abuse of police authority. And I cannot believe you have not seen it happen & have seen it happen often.

      • Zero

        @arkansasrebel. Said it exactly the way I would say it. I’m 69 and I remember the police the same way. (not that I had personal experience ) but if the police had a warrant for you they would come and knock on the door, serve the warrant and ask you to come with them.
        From what I hear on the streets, when tshtf it’s gonna get real ugly and nasty. Oh…the cops will attempt to do their “master’s” bidding and suppress all of us “rebels” but, just do the math, they are way, way outnumbered and equally matched with firepower.
        So, I say, come git some while I’m still young enough to enjoy it!

      • LTC_Ray_Burke

        Nicely said, Zero !!! Although I’m not far from 90 years old I can still pull a trigger. Old guys are dangerous when they decide to be !!!

      • FRANK DECOLA

        You so right. I am 65 and I still have this incident in my mind back in the sixty behind a Walgr. store in Indiana 3 police officer kicking and pounding on this old vagrant that was not doing anything offensive. And it has since been with me as teenager it has destroyed my perception of them.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      My father was a law enforcement officer, and he agrees with Bob. The war on drugs is a waste of money and militarizes our local police departments to some degree. For you to dispute this fact is and exercise if futility. If you choose the wrong side, you may be sorry some day.

    • Mark Are

      We don’t need you or your ilk. Nice guys or not. I live in a town that supposedly has 12,000 residents. Including the surrounding area, an estimated 80,000+. There are about 3 police officers patrolling the streets of that town at any given time. If people were so prone to be the way you describe, what would it take for a few of us to take out the police and rob, rape and pillage? Fact is, we need PRIVATE security companies that we VOLUNTARILY contract with to take care of our “policing” needs. We don’t need “Law enforcement” that ignore their oath of office and arrest people who violate laws against non violent behavior. For instance, Charles, I REFUSE to go to some MAN and ask PERMISSION to carry a firearm and pay a FEE TO SOMEONE so I can get a PERMIT. So I am violating the “law”, which by the way violates the SECOND AMENDMENT. Which one are you going to obey? Would you ARREST ME for violating the law that violates the 2nd amendment or would you ignore the law? That, my friend is the problem. WE THE PEOPLE look at all of you and your ilk as a threat to our very liberty because you will “nicely” ENFORCE these asinine laws on us.

      • mike1127

        Well said!

      • John

        That works fine in some parts of the country, but in others the only gun you could obtain is a gun bought on the street, and who knows what poor devil got killed with it…and thus when they arrest you and find the gun you may end up in the chair for a killing you never did.

      • John Hand

        ‘Private’ security companies? Do you feel safe with these untrained and unqualified rent-a-cops?

    • Charlie Tall

      “If each and every police officer in America turned in his, or her, badge and gun, you probably wouldn’t have time to write such specious articles as you would be too busy defending yourself against the predators that would inevitably be prowling our streets.”

      Actually, that wouldn’t be so bad because then the law abiding but armed citizens could take care of crime themselves without the “let-the-police-do-it” crowd protecting the criminals.

      Remember this: A criminal loose on the streets costs the society about $50,000 per year, much more if that criminal is violent. If he’s caught and tried, the average circuit court trial costs more than $10,000. Incarceration is on the order of $35,000 or more per year. Then there’s all the expense of appeals, the parole process, and rehabilitation. However, if the SOB is shot and killed by an armed citizen the cost to society is around $501: $500 for the autopsy and burial; $1 for the bullet. Much less if the armed citizen owns a shovel and does the interment himself.

      What a bargain!

      If given the choice, I’d vote for no cops, no FBI, no DEA, no LEOs at all right this minute, and save the expense of so-called “law-enforcement” for the simple reason that most cops prefer to enforce the wrong laws or simply ones they makeup on the spot.

    • Old Henry

      Charles:

      I have not seen any of what Bob wrote about and posted links, but I live in “Tooterville” and personally know several deputies. You are correct in what you say about most police, but given the fact that you have been a law officer for a quarter of a century would indicate that you come from a different time when, as Flashy posted, Officer Bob would visit the local schools and talk to the kids.

      Charles, as Bob stated, the police have become militarized and now have a completely different mindset.

      In a town of about 15,000 near me a recent incident brings to lite how systemic this has become. There were 3 guys fishing under a bridge in the center of town and one had just purchased a new rifle. He got it out of his trunk, took it back to the river to show his buddies while they fished. Some Obama-eyed nit wit called 911 and, poof, there were a swarm of cops with automatic weapons terrorizing these 3 fishermen.

      All that needed to be done was one officer respond, walk down to the river and inquire as to what was going on and politely ask the guy to put the rifle back into his car – after admiring the new rifle.

      Or, better yet the nit wit citizen should have minded their own business.

    • JUKEBOX

      Charles, in many cases, the main function of the police is to write up a report on a crime and investigate it, AFTER the fact.

    • patty

      Charles, in your heart of hearts I think you truely believe that, but the truth of the matter is, is that most police officers are former vets. In the armed forces you are geared to take orders and not ask questions. When I talk to now retired police officers and ask them what they fear the most, their reply is “our government”. These people were also trained as first responders for catastrophic instances. There is a reason why the major highways circle the cities in tiers.

    • mike1127

      Bull. If every cop disappeared right now, every American would be allowed to defend themselves. Look at the statistics. Every town that eased restrictions on gun ownership, or required it, has seen a drastic decrease in crime. When Kennesaw, Georgia required all homeowners to have at least one gun in the home, crime dropped to about zero overnight.

      If a criminal knows that a homeowner will probably shoot him dead, then he will not break in. If a criminal knows the homeowner will call the cops, he will break in. When seconds count, cops are only minutes away.

      The vast majority of cops I have seen are just like the one in the above video. Most of them are not “serving” out of a sense of duty; they are legally being the bullies that they have always been. They get off on it.

      If you are truly serving out of a sense of duty, then you have my respect and my apologies. I do believe that the odds are on my side, though. You cops will not listen to anything that you don’t want to hear. You are all too quick to shoot, and cover it up later. I personally think it’s fishy when someone actually WANTS to be a cop. I have enough drama in my own life that I don’t need to go out looking for other peoples’. I strongly suspect that most cops are closet sociopaths that love the petty power they possess over the average citizen.

      I sincerely hope that you are a member of OathKeepers, and if not, why not? Remember, you took an oath to defend the Laws and the Constitution from ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC. Isn’t it funny how similar the police oath is to the military’s? Sometimes that includes your superiors. Would you fire on an unarmed crowd of civilians?

      Again, if you truly serve out of a misplaced sense of duty, then you have my respect and apologies. Your service, I think, would be better used as a fireman or EMT than as a hired governmental thug.

    • Marty S.

      Officer Hunt:

      My experience with the police officers in the area I live has been mostly positive. One of my sons used to get into a lot of trouble and it would involve police response. They were usually very professional in handling the situation and were good at talking some sense into him. As you stated it only takes a few to screw it up for the rest which is typical for any field. I think Mr. Livingston’s point is to keep us aware of our rights as citizens and to help inform those police departments and individual officers who may be under pressure to apply abusive tactics or use excessive force should evaluate if they are being manipulated by the powers that be for less than honorable motives. Without a just and well informed police force social chaos would reign all too quickly so keep up the good work.

    • ScottieG not a fan

      Charles,

      Well said. The media continues to hammer this profession. In my experience it is the Police administration (Chief, Deputy Chiefs) that is corrupt, not typically the working Officers that have to deal with the public. I applaud those that do this difficult work.

      While the media continues its lack of facts when they show these videos or report on an incident they rarely show or report on the human side of these officers. And those officers killed or maimed get very little coverage. The criminal appears to get a lot of coverage. Even worse they report on the safest items and proceed to inform the public how to make them unsafe. The media is filled with wingnuts that the public believe in. What the media states must be gospel, in their minds.

      Yes, there are many not fit to wear the uniform but that holds true in any field. Sadly those officers are armed.

      Firemen. Now that is one profession that gets next to no negative press. Dangerous? Absolutely but I still think a Police Officer is more at risk.

    • Rudy

      Charles,
      I agree with you that most police officers are professional. However, the are too may that are not. The real problem is that even when unprofessional behavior surfaces, the “blue line” forms to defend them no matter what, leaving them on the street with a badge and a gun.

      It is this inability to “police yourselves” that is giving a bad reputation that is broadly applied. This change needs to come from the inside of police forces, and until it does, the perceptions of this article will continue.

    • Bono

      You are absolutely right. Dedication is more than just a word to most police officers. The militarization which has occured is part and partial, a sign of the times as crime has tended to become more violent and requires equal force to fight the growing violence.
      The border is an example where violence has been left unchecked and violence has grown beyond proportion. Our city streets share this kind of decay.
      Few enter law enforcement for thanks, but do it to serve their community and their nation.

  • Kerry

    FEMA camps have stockpiled four person caskets for ease of getting rid of many bodies at once. I always thought the Nazis had it best with backhoes and lye!

    • Ross H. Anderson

      The coffin covers are simply to disguise the total number of corpses from the public should images of the atrocities be leaked to the public. Consider the difference of impact of seeing thousands of decomposing bodies strewn everywhere or hundreds of coffin covers with 5 to 6 bodies concealed within each one neatly stacked like so much cord wood waiting for cremation/burial. The facts are to be kept away from prying eyes for as long as possible. Consider just how long the death camps in Germany were in operation before the people began to understand their purpose. This time though, all peoples, not just a select class, are poised on the knife’s edge. How much longer will the American people refuse to understand that the government is NOT our friend. WE THE PEOPLE are the enemy to them and their elitist power.

      • Kevin

        The Nazis had killed a few million German citizens before the camps were put to use. By then everyone knew that to see things or talk about things would get a Gestapo raid in the middle of the night.

        The first killed were the former people who criticized the Nazis. Some of this was happening during the 1920s when the Nazi Party were just a few wackos.

      • John

        The first to die where the socialists. Hitler used them to come to power and after he reached his goal began systematically to purge the party and the country of socialists. He kept the socialist in the party name though…it sounded good lol.

      • Old Henry

        We can learn one thing from the history of Germany – DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR GUNS – NEVER. The German people freely turned in their guns to the government and once disarmed….

      • Kevin

        “What guns? I don’t have any guns”.

      • JUKEBOX

        You had better stock up, especially on ammo. Guns are useless without ammo.

      • JeffH

        :)

      • Deerinwater

        I don’t have any either, just a few cannon, do they count?

      • FreedomFighter

        TO GIVE UP YOUR GUNS IS TO GIVE UP YOUR LIFE, LIBERTY AND FREEDOM.

        THEY ARE NOT JUST COMING FOR YOUR GUNS, THEY ARE COMING FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, AND WILL TAKE YOU TO WORKCAMPS OR DEATH CAMPS WITH VERY LITTLE DIFFERANCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

        It is sad that the police are being manipulated into dupes to be slaughtered for the purposes of bringing in UN TROOPS.

        My hope is they realize the orders given are illegal and immoral and they join us in the resistance.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • mike1127

        Quite a lot of police and military belong to OathKeepers. When the crap hits the fan, they will split down the middle. Half against the public, half for them. We are headed directly for another civil war.

        Mr. Livingston, you act as if the material in this article is news to you. The public, of all races, has been aware of the abuse of police power for well over a decade.

        Hillary Clinton has just promised the U.N. that America will sign onto its Small Arms Ban Treaty. This means that owning a gun will be illegal, and that they can come for it. I believe this is what will start it off. When the police are overwhelmed, His Majesty Obama will ask for the U.N. to send in peacekeeping troops, since most of our military is on the other side of the world.

        I strongly urge you all to join the National Association of Gun Rights, and send at least ten dollars to help stop our gutless Congress from approving this treaty. If this treaty passes, we will lose yet another Amendment. We’ve already lost the 4th Amendment, do you want to lose the 2nd also?

        Remember, if they claim there is a biological attack and ask you to go to a FEMA camp for a vaccine; you NEVER want to be around a crowd of people in an epidemic. EVER. Stay at home. Do not walk willingly to your own slaughter.

        Anyone who believes that the government is your friend deserves what they get.

      • Conway Redding

        Wow, FreedomFighter, sounds as if you need to have your psych meds adjusted.

      • FreedomFighter

        Sir, name calling is the sign of a weak mind, here are some facts for you

        STFU

        S ome T ruth F or U

        Obama Signs Agenda 21-Related Executive Order

        http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/7958-obama-signs-agenda-21-related-executive-order

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • ruth

        SO TRUE, NEVER GIVE UP YOUR FIRE ARMS.

  • hipshotpercusion

    Actually, the quote about tyranny was was made by Thomas Jefferson. Our founding fathers had great insight. Thats why they gave us the second amendment. Never give up your guns. Never!

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear hipshotpercusion,

      While this quote is often attributed to Jefferson, there is no evidence he actually ever said or wrote it.
      http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/when-governments-fear-people-there-libertyquotation

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Mark Are

        Bob, it sounds more important if Jefferson said it. So I’ll just continue letting folks think he said it. Here is a good quote from Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn: And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand. The Organs (police) would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!
        ~ Alexander Solzhenitsyn from The Gulag Archipelago

  • Flashy

    Mr. Livingston:

    this may come somewhat as a shock to you, as well as a shock to many posting here…but I agree with your article 100%.

    If I may have your permission, I would like to copy and paste this to emails to the City Council etc here.

    I have thought for the longest time that we no longer have a friendly “Officer Bob” image for school visits and the black uniforms, the black cars, the ordering to obey or get roughed up tactics.

    With your permission ..

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Flashy,

      Permission granted.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    It seems today that this is nazi germany not the usa i know.

    • JUKEBOX

      Read Daniel 7: 23-27. This seems like a prophesy of Obama’s ideas.

  • former walmart person

    Remember, when the crap hits the fan and they come to take you away to a camp, FEMA or otherwise, at that point you lose nothing by fighting back. If you go to a camp, you will starve. I have gone 2 hours without food before and it is agonizing. you want to go weeks without food? As was said in Starship Troopers the movie, “You apes want to live forever???”

    • former walmart person

      meant to say 2 hours without food rather than 2 hours as above.

      • former walmart person

        I meant 24 hours.

      • Old Henry

        There ya go! It is Monday…

      • John

        Once a week, usually Mondays, Sun evening to Monday evening, I do not eat food at all just water… it was bad when I started 50 years ago but now it does not mater anymore. Sometimes I add a second day…but that is rare as i need energy to do my job. the best thing anyone can do to prepare for lean times is to start taking one day a week and only have water for 24 hrs…. start slow and you will find it is no big deal after a while.

      • http://www.facebook.com/annathule Christine

        To quote:
        John says:
        February 13, 2012 at 11:46 am
        Once a week, usually Mondays, Sun evening to Monday evening, I do not eat food at all just water… it was bad when I started 50 years ago but now it does not mater anymore. Sometimes I add a second day…but that is rare as i need energy to do my job. the best thing anyone can do to prepare for lean times is to start taking one day a week and only have water for 24 hrs…. start slow and you will find it is no big deal after a while
        _______
        What an awesome idea! Huh, we get hungry in TWO hours, much less 24! We’re stockpiling, praying the preachers are right about the Rapture (my son wants dibs on our camping equipment BIG TIME, if it’s true! LOL Me? I’d like to see him saved and not need it all.) I’m still wondering if we’re not already in the first 3.5 years of it and it’ll be a Mid-Trib Rapture.

        But I digress. We learned REAL quick to eat a whole lot less those 2.5 yrs w/o job, money, or anything, but to prepare ourselves for what’s coming would take a fast like that. I could work on it, but my husband is diabetic, we’d have to ask his doc on that. That’s still not a bad idea. We have our 72 hour BOB’s but after that, what if? (For the gov’t: WE’RE TOO POOR TO STOCKPILE FOOD!! There, think they will leave me alone now? Yeah, me neither, oh well.) I do have one good bit of luck, IF they’re not forcing us at gunpoint to get these shots, should that be the scenario – I’m listed as having a “critical allergy” to flu and pneumonia shots. Think they’ll let me go? Huh, yeah, me neither. +sigh+

    • FreedomFighter

      NEVER GOTO THE FEMA CAMPS–IT WILL BE A DEATH SENTENCE

      Once this starts fight to the death, better than being slaughtered in a death camp.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

  • Thinking About

    Are you referring to the Wyoming FEMA camp?

    • RevNowWhileWeCan

      No I’m referring to the 3,000 FEMA camps set up around the country with facilities made to hold people in with turnstlyes and barbed wired fences. You can google FEMA sights to check it out for youself and if you still can’t find it go to infowars.com and check out Alex’s links. I think that’s definately one of his issues he likes to push. I think it’s pretty scary myself.

      • former walmart person

        Whats even crazier is the footage you can find on all the human sized plastic coffins they have stacked into each other at various sites…. See, its terrifying, but they could wage a false flag bio attack and tell everyone to report to FEMA camps to be given the vaccine. No forcing or hand holding. People will VOLUNTARILY go to the FEMA camps en mass because your average citicen is not truly awake to just how criminal our government is. Once administered the “vaccine”, you die lets say in a few weeks. The woken up masses can then be mopped up by the ordering obeying nazi portions of out own military. If the military fights back and civil war erupts, the UN will just be brought into mop up.

        The only advantage we have against such a horrible plan is the uncertainly. These super cowardly yet evil elitists HATE uncertainly. To unleash something crazy like a bio terror false flag is to take a gamble, because there is a chance that more are awake then they thought and things can get out of control once people totally abandon the system and fight for liberty knowing that a quick death is preferable to slow starvation. If that happens, the elitists might hide and run but they can no longer control.

        Interseting times ahead. One thing for sure. I don’t have to sit here and here about “how hard” the so called “greates generation” had it during / after world war 2. This generation just couldn’t stop from rapidly fornicating and causing all the baby boomers. Also, in about 5-10 years, we will be reduced to eating rats over bruning trash cans. At least I can say I was tougher than any of these bastards if I don’t die quickly.

      • Karolyn

        They’re not coffins; they’re grave liners. “As ye think, so shall ye be.”

      • Loretta

        What’s the difference??? They will use them to stack in all the bodies!!!

      • Old Henry

        Yes Loretta, and if you watch the Ventura link above you will that once he brought many thousands of them to light they were mysteriously moved.

        Karolyn – wake up and look around. Even if it’s only half true it’s way, way out of bounds.

      • Vicki

        Karolyn says:

        They’re not coffins; they’re grave liners. “As ye think, so shall ye be.”

        And if they were just plastic cubes that happen to be about the right size to keep dead humans in this would make it better why?

      • eddie47d

        Stop making up stories about the FEMA camps Vickie. It’s called being prepared such as stock piling food blankets,guns and even coffin liners. You stock pile so why wouldn’t the government be prepared? What would you do if there was massive deaths because of a bio attack and to avoid contamination to others the bodies have to be disposed of quickly? Maybe you would wait until the “coffins” are shipped from China!

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:

        Stop making up stories about the FEMA camps Vickie. It’s called being prepared such as stock piling food blankets,guns and even coffin liners. You stock pile so why wouldn’t the government be prepared?

        You have an interesting sensitivity there Eddie47d. Perhaps you would like to enlighten us as to what story I was making up.

        What would you do if there was massive deaths because of a bio attack and to avoid contamination to others the bodies have to be disposed of quickly?

        Ancient knowledge. Look it up.

      • http://N/A SSG. LASSITER-RVN-’66-’70

        WALMART PERSON….HERE’S A NEWS FLASH FOR YA. “WE”(ARMED)AMERICANS OUTNUMBER THE U.S. MILITARY AND THE DAMN U.N. AND “WE” ARE OVER 80% MILITARY VETERANS.JUST LET THE BASTARDS TRY TO TAKE “US” TO A DAMN FEMA CAMP.EVERY FEMA CAMP KNOWN TO EXIST SHOULD BE BURNED TO THE GROUND YESTERDAY!!. FIRE IS THE ULTIMATE CLEANSER..LEAVES NOTHING! OUR TARGETS EYES WILL BE BAYONETED AND BODIES BURNED. BRING IT ON!

      • Old Henry

        Bravo SSG. Stay strong and determinded. However, if they come for us one or two or three at a time by the time we realize what is going on it may be too late.

        Sort of like picking off a flock of ducks one / two at at time from the very back of the flock.

      • ghop

        Right behind you, Sarg.

      • JUKEBOX

        OldHenry, that is the very thing I call “TERMITE GOVERNMENT”, it takes one small bite at a time, and before you know it, things collapse around you.

      • former walmart person

        I appreciate your ferver, and yes, there are more small arms among the American people then among all the major armies combined. HOWEVER, last time I checked, I couldn’t purchase a M1A2 main battle tank, field artillery laced with chemical warhead capability, F-18 Hornet, tactical and strategic nuclear weapons, etc., etc., etc. (not that I could afford these toys anyway).

        All the AR-15 armed red necks and former military vets in the world aren’t going to stand up to B-52 carpet bombing, artillery strikes, battle tank blitzcrieg’s, etc. The current, active military who gets to play with these toys has to defect at least to some extent if we freedoms has a prayer IF it get to that.

      • John

        And what will you do with it against a drone mounted microwave crowd control weapon or a beam fired against you from miles away that will cause pain and agony in your body to an extent you rather give up or want to be death then one more second of the pain? The notion that the government was afraid of the citizens and the weapons they own is not true anymore, the government has found ways to make you wish you never picked up those weapons…and they will do it from miles away. they thought about using them in Afghanistan but feared to reveal the functionality and feared the uproar of liberals over its use…. in the scenario you are talking about, want to bet those systems will be used. Moreover, many of those systems are NOT controlled by the military or LEO but private contractors.. who did not swore an oat and don’t give a rats arse about the constitutional limitations.

      • Larry Castle

        You know what we say Sarg, we leave no one behind, if you need help just yell real loud. they think we are only ones and twos little do they know.

      • JeffH

        SSG. LASSITER-RVN-’66-’70, are you familiar with The Oath Keepers?
        http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

      • http://google.com Rob Luna

        Right on Sarg. The thing that scares me is if they try to trick us by releasing some biological weapon that kills a few and convince us to go to these camps for our own safety. There would be millions of people who would fall for this. Once were in and disarmed, its over. If I see this happening anywhere across the nation I’m heading for the Mountains in Big Bend or somewhere. I’ve got water, a small tent and several weapons. I can hunt,and survive for months. I attended a Gun Show this weekend and Americans are stocking up for protection.

      • Old Henry

        Former:

        See the link I posted just above.

      • Kevin

        The UN could not wipe its collective asses without American and British money and espertise.

      • Thinking About

        Rev, I went to the web site you referred me to and thought for a moment I was standing in the check out line reading the rags headlines. Sometimes when things are presented which sounds this far out I check reliable sources and I did in this situation and did not locate reliable sources to back up the story of 3000 FEMA camps. What I did find is 2009 HR bill 645 stating at least 6 camps to be set up on old military bases for times of diaster to temporary house the displaced.

  • RevNowWhileWeCan

    Socialist police state coming to a FEMA concentration camp near you! I really try not to buy into all the conspiracy stuff but after a while it just seem so obvious that it would seem almost naive to see it any other way. The facts just keep pounding at you from every direction without not even really looking for them. They’re taking away our liberties one sneaky pre-Christmas hearing at a time. The lobbhyist’s pay so much money to get these bills snuck in when nobody’s looking and the idiot house and senate that run it thru real quick alot of time don’t even know what they’ve done. SMDH!

    • SSGDave

      Guerena was pulled over in company with 2 known drug dealers and several times drugs were found in his vehicle whne he was stopped alone according to the Tucson newspapers-i do question Why he wasn’t arrested then. He was also stopped in company with a known human trafficker and drug smuggler on 2 occasions according to the TV news. Again, no arrest. Kind of smells like “Fast and Futile” to me, especially after the DEA was involved in both news articles, then suddenly the articles were removed from online access. I hope we Don’t have Obama after this and really wonder how he made it thru his 1st term especially with all the evidence coming to light during this Georgia trial on Obama’s ligitimacy for office. Clinton’s plans were bad-This guy brings new meaning to “Socialist Police State”.

      • NC

        SSG, “Clinton’s plans were bad” you! Were bush’s plans good?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        We have had horrible Presidents since 1988. Two “Republicans” and tow Democrats. I use the quotation marks on Republican for a reason. If you do not understand why, I am sorry for you.

      • Janice

        the comment was not about parties…the comment was that our problems against capitalism started years before Obama. Putting into place executive orders sto take away property (Clinton) and our rights.
        Be open minded, this problem is bigger than you think.

      • FreedomFighter

        Standard Globalization

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2FNN-g4ctU&feature=uploademail

        Goverment sterilization worldwide, land grab AGENDA 21, forced to eat GMO poison foods…

        They expect riots, the police are tools to be used to bring in UN Troops.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Tom W.

        This has been snow-balling for guite some time now Go back to the Rodney King beating, Ruby Ridge, Waco, overaggressive police shootings in NYC, Louisville, and other American cities all of which bring me to the question (And I fully understand that I’m one of those conspiracy theory nuts!) why are the OWS protester being treated with such kid gloves?!! If those had been Tea Party Rallies, the blood would’ve been rolling in the streets!!!

      • Janice

        The media never talked about the times that Clinton passed executive orders that will come to play in this Obama scenario that we are living. In particular Agenda 21, Sustainable Development. The last two years of Bush’s administration is what everyone complains about and that is when Nancy and Harry ran both houses and spent all the money. People wake up, start reading the whole story instead of snipits of propaganda. We are on the edge of going over…

      • NC

        Janice, The first big chunk of change that Democrats Reid and Pelosi spent were to answer the pleas from Republican bush for stimulus money for his failing economy! TARP!!
        Why did McCain accuse his own party of spending like a “drunk sailor” in Congress BEFORE THE DEMOCRATS TOOK CONTROL? Did he know something you are denying?

        When you have a job and you get to work in your ONLY truck and the truck breaks down you spend whatever it takes to fix the truck so you can get to work to feed your family!RIGHT???
        When Obama took office OUR TRUCK WAS BROKEN! LOSING OIL (JOBS!!2.1 MILLION IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR)LOSING COMPRESSION ( DOW DOWN 7500 POINTS IN 16 MONTHS)
        BEING CRITICAL IS A RIGHT! BEING HONEST IS A MORAL OBLIGATION! BEING IN DENIAL IS A MENTAL ILLNESS!

      • Opal the Gem

        “When Obama took office OUR TRUCK WAS BROKEN! LOSING OIL (JOBS!!2.1 MILLION IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR)LOSING COMPRESSION ( DOW DOWN 7500 POINTS IN 16 MONTHS)”

        Now that obama has been in office for three + years the bottom is blown out of the enjine, the rods are thru the side of the block, and it is out of oil and gas.

      • Vicki

        NC writes:

        The first big chunk of change that Democrats Reid and Pelosi spent were to answer the pleas from Republican bush for stimulus money for his failing economy! TARP!!

        So you are saying that the Democrats are too weak or too irresponsible to just say no?

        Or just proving the point that Bush was a liberal in republican clothing?

        Having observed the bailouts when it was all in the control of Democrats the answer would appear to be the latter.

      • http://google.com Rob Luna

        Janice, you’re absolutely correct, but it doesn’t matter if you draw a picture Democrats will never understand. The Democrats have been in control of government since 2006 and even had 100% control for two years where they could have passed anything they wanted to help save the country. Instead they devoted all of their time to the biggest Socialist piece of garbage “ObamaCare” in the history of our Country. Now the Communists Obama wants $3.8 Trillion dollars so he can officially sink us. Bush’s spending was miniscule next to Obama’s numbers. We must remove Obama from office ASAP, waiting until January is too long. We must move for impeachment immediately.

      • madmountin

        Even in rural Idaho most city PD’s that I’ve been exposed to are already militarized. It would behove you all to check out http://www.oathkeepers.com and find out if local authorities belong (or even heard of them). Think about moving to the American Reboubt. .. . to quote an old friend, “You don’t need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blown’”… I have friends in the Co. Sheriff’s and local PD and even they tell me that there are many ‘loose cannons’. Get a scanner and listen to what goes on. 1984 here we come…. big brother will soon be watching all of us…. oh and wait!! it gets better, wait until the authorities (city,county and state) have paid informants working for them, check out New Jersey and see what’s going on…

    • Old Henry
      • Capitalist at Birth

        Jesse is a loon, pure and simple. I will not watch anything he is in.

      • http://google gary gerke

        Get your head out of the sand, you might not like him, however, there is a lot of truth in what he reports on!

      • FreedomFighter

        Same old same old — he is a loon…crazy, cant happen here…

        Answer: Already did, and continues to happen

        Maybe the loons of the world are more sensitive to being caged and killed and the non-loons think they are safe because they play along?

        Answer: Nope, nobody will be safe

        IMHO the growing audacity of violence by the police departments and officers will keep pushing ( “knowingly” ) lawabiding populace until a point of “pushback” is reached.

        Once this point is reached the police will be slaughtered, the police will respond with more violence “blueman revenge club” escalation will occur and possible total riots with police will be happening around the country.

        This is the NWO plan, divide and let us kill each other off, then bring in UN troops, because the police will be toast. Its the take over guys – we need not let this happen.

        End game has started

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • ruth

        sorry, but janice is right on, you ass! freedomfighter, so dam true!mike, right on!and a coulpe more on here, RIGHT ON! THE LIBERAL ASSES , WELL, YOU KNOW WHERE YOU CAN GO, OR DO I HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT?

      • Tom W.

        Is Jesse a loon or is that what we’ve been made to believe by the elite media who will smear anyone wanting to talk about the things that they’re evidently very sensitive about! They won’t even say Alex Jones’ name on FNC!!! I’m of the school that if the things that Alex and Jesse are CHARGING, aren’t true, they should be shot for treason! If they are true, there’s a whole bunch of people who need to be shot!!!

        “Give me Dick Chaney a waterboard and a hour, and I’ll have him confessing to the Sharon Tate murders!” – Jesse Ventura

      • Old Henry

        With Chaney’s heart? I doubt it.

        Now Shrub and Rumsfeld, that’s a nother story…

      • RevNowWhileWeCan

        Thanx for the link Henry! Very enlightening.
        Since we are rapidly moving towards a nazi policed state I have a couple of suggestions.
        1. Like the nazis, we hold an American “night of the broken glass” and instead of burning books we burn all of the U.S. paper currency and reprint our own. Contrary to belief, this will not make our economy collapse it will bankrupt the privately owned Federal Reserve and stop their ability to fund wars and Halliburton, the company financing the “fusion centers.”
        2. Like the nazis, we hold a “night of the long swords” and instead of killing all of the opposing political members, we round up all of the world banks c.e.o.’s and arrest them and put them on trial for conspiracy to commit crimes against humanity. To do this we just threaten the congressmen and senators with jail time and offer amnesty for those who testify that they were bribed into passing damaging bills.
        We are in big trouble as a country and unless we take drastic measures we will be lead down a path with no breadcrumbs and no way to find our way back to 1836 when Jackson was president and was the 1st and only time, we as a nation were not in debt to the privately owned, doubled-sided war financing, world controlled, Federal Reserve.
        We don’t need a tea party or an occupation of financial districts. We need to properly organize a day when all of America goes to their banks and takes out all of the money and stop using any electronic transactions. This will chop the head off of the snake and stop them dead in their tracks.

      • professor

        Rev..

        We could wake up any morning to find that the government has replaced Dollars with, lets say, Amerigos! Everyone would be bankrupt, or would lose the vast majority of their wealth..

        If Americans took all their money out of the economy, as you suggest, that is exactly what would happen. We are not going to beat this usurper at his own game. He is a lawless criminal and ignores the Constitution and the Rule of Law.

        These criminals will have to be stopped and their power taken away before any changes can be made. The illegal foreigner has yet to be challenged! He does whatever he pleases and as he raises his chin in that arrogant stance, his message is, “Stop me if you think you can.”

      • RevNowWhileWeCan

        I agree with most of that. That’s why the MSM and elites are crapping their collective pants right now because Ron Paul is getting to many ears for their liking. Paul should go the distance in the primary and if he dosen’t get the nod he should say, “Thank’s everyone for laughing at me the whole campaign and letting me get my ‘kooky’ ideas out to the masses. Now that most of the populus knows what I’m REALLY about and what I want to do, I’m going to run as an Independant and win the Presidency! Now who’s the kook you dumb #$@k’s?!?
        I’m a 1st time GenX voter and I’ll be writing Pauls name on whatever ballot I can.

      • Mike

        “We don’t need a tea party or an occupation of financial districts. We need to properly organize a day when all of America goes to their banks and takes out all of the money and stop using any electronic transactions. This will chop the head off of the snake and stop them dead in their tracks.”

        They’ve got that risk covered. Firstly, the banks only have about 1% of our cash available. Secondly, the massive lines, and just one teller on duty, and she’s working slowly…. but apart from that, your plan was good.

      • RevNowWhileWeCan

        Oh yea. I forgot to tell ya about the part where we print our own “greenbacks” like Lincoln tried to do before he got shot.

      • http://google.com Rob Luna

        Just as we were making progress, a real loony toons chimes in. “Halliburton” is financing this whole deal. Please, Halliburton is an outstanding Company that does an outstanding job in whatever they do. They hire thousands Americans and pay them well all over the World. Halliburton is responsible for the invention of fracturing and produce the best diamond drill bits in the industry. My family has worked for Halliburton for 70 years, all over the World. It’s a shame that pig Obama raised Corporate taxes forcing them to move to Dubai. It was much easier when they were in Dallas or Houston or even Duncan, Oklahoma. The only reason Halliburton has a bad rap is because of their connection to Cheney.

      • Rocky R.

        Rob Luna,good luck in finding anyone in congress with brains enough to do that,they are giving up on helping us unless you know someone inside
        in high places,Impeachment is to lenient for him,”High Crimes IN HIGH
        PLACES,”he should be tried for treason along with Eric Holder,get your
        state to eliminate his name from being on the ballot,stand up for the one guy that will help us,”Mr.Ron Paul,”the others are typical GOP’s
        they won’t help anyone but themselves,we are in the death throes (AMERICA)???

    • wandamurline

      We had a over zealous officer locally…an old man (80) was speeding to take his friend who seemed to be having a heart attack to the ER. They had been followed by the officer for about ten miles and when they had to stop for a light because of traffic, the officer grabbed the old man, almost threw him on the ground, arrested him and left the one having a heart attack in the car, alone. Finally, someone in traffic spoke to the man, parked the car, and took him to the ER. Needless to say, our town went volital…the officer was fired and we urged the old man who was arrested to sue the city and the officer. It is going to cost them a lot of money. All the officer had to do was listen to the old man, and then he should have given him assistance to the ER. The other man was having a heart attack, but due to strangers, he lived.

      • patty

        No. It is going to cost the people of your town a lot of money. Your town has no money except what it confiscates from the people living in it. So sue yourself, friends and neighbors. And when your property taxes go up and your services go down to pay him off, don’t complain.

      • Bob M

        I was involved in a similar incident several years ago while taking my son to the hospital, I was pulled over by a Massachusetts Nazi also known as a state trooper, for doing 60 mph in a 45 zone. I attempted unsucessfully to explain that I was taking my son to the ER. While my son was in pain, his injury was not life threatening, however the cop could not have known this, as he never asked and never looked in the back seat, his only concern was obtaining my license and registration in order to score a fat ticket. Since I was not a defenseless eighty year old and not susceptible to intimidation I was handling the situation when a local officer intervened, took a second to confirm the nature of the emergency and allowed me to proceed. Now if public safety was such a concern, as the cops will always claim, the cops could have provided an escort, they did not, their job is not to serve and protect it is in fact to stop and collect.
        Why do I refer to the Massachusetts state cops as Nazis? Take a look at the uniforms, the resemblance to WWII German officers is no mere coincidence.

      • Vicki

        During a more civilized era (before the war on (some) drugs) it was normal and expected for a cop to provide code 3 escort to someone being transported to a hospital. All you had to do was pull over (have your license ready) and promptly tell the officer.

        Alas that was yesterday and yesterday’s gone. :(

      • Bob M

        Right. I even remember as a child getteig a ride to the hospital several towns away in the cruiser. I forget what I did, but I needed to go to the ER, my mother called the police station, appearently there was no ambulance, so an officer came out picked up my mother and me and drove us. That was the 50s

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