karolyn says, “she must have been a very angry person” So THAT makes it alright to take it out on the unborn??? Man are your values screwed up!!!

Karolyn, the woman was pure evil!

She was America’s version of Dr. Mengele. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

She not only believed in eugenics, but it seems she also believes in ethnic cleansing and Hitler’s “Final Solution.” The picture perfect example of the term femi-nazi. Many in the NOW, unplanned parenthood, and NARAL think and do things the same way. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

As sosmeone who has used Planned Parenthood for exams in the past due to it being affordable, I can tell you that good and decent people work for them and they provide services for women, especially from the lower socio-economic levels, that they would not be able to afford otherwise. To someone with no insurance, a visit to a gynocologist is beyond her means. I would imagine these days it has to run $75 to $100, and then there are the lab fees. Planned Parenthood charges much less.

yet the other day you couldn’t tell us if they did breast scans!!!!

Joe – I never claimed that PP did mammograms. When I was going, they would refer to the hospital. Since I moved to SC, mammograms for women over 50 are funded by, I believe, the American Cancer Society through the Best Chance program via referrals by doctors. To the millions of women who have depended on PP for reproductive health, they are a godsend.

karolyn, the other day you said you didn’t know for sure if PP did breast scans, YOUR WORDS, NOT MINE!

Planned parenthood deals with reproductive health? Ha, ha, ha, ha! I see you believe the crap they have told you. remember, birth control and abortion are not women’s healthcare. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Alex,
was that aimed at me?

Absolutely not, bro. It was directed at Neil Swan. I wouldn’t talk to you like that.

Ok, Alex, just that it was right under me and no name.

Alex F.,
Read an article a month or so back about how so many schools are no longer even teaching “cursive” writing to grade schoolers. Why? Because it takes up to much classroom time and “texting” is the “IN” thing nowadays. From what you’ve said about your boys they must have been in one of those schools. It’s happening all over the country so it’s soon to be a thing of the past. Before we know it there will be college majors in deciphering cursive written documents – our Constitution included.

Should’ve put it down as “cursive writing will soon be a thing of the past.”

“In the Bible I read these things:

“And God blessed them. And God said to them, ‘Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.’” Gen 1:28 (ESV)

“Did not he who made me in the womb make him? And did not one fashion us in the womb?” Job 31:15 (ESV)

“Your hands have made and fashioned me; give me understanding that I may learn your commandments.” Psalm 119:73 (ESV)

“For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb.” Psalm 139:13 (ESV)

These are clear references to God intending people to procreate and recognize that, even in the womb, God played a vital role in the formation of children and we should not casually destroy life God himself created. These passages of scripture are what inspire so many pro-life advocates like me to defend the unborn. If you are an atheist, then the previous is just flying spaghetti monster gibberish.”

Notice also, Philip, when God commanded; “Be fruitful and Multiply”, He did not put a cap on numbers.

Multiply: To increase or cause to increase greatly in number or quantity.

Fruitful: Producing good or helpful results; productive.

So why all this non-sense about over-population? The fool in his heart says; there is no God, therefore, nothing is possible, and everything overwhelms the heathen! But most know, that what drives the over-population myth, is greed. In particular, the evil desire to confiscate, hoard, centralize and monopolize the whole kit-and caboodle, in the hands of a very few, that look upon the rest, outside their exclusive club, as a threat to their ill-gotten gains! Rest assured, their punishment and destruction does not slumber, nor does the executioner tarry!

Abortion is the antithesis of Social Security.

Well put, Jukebox!

Well said Philip. I also remember something that goes:

Woe unto them that harm the innocent. For it would be better that a millweight be placed around their neck and they be cast into the sea.

I guess that they drowning would be less that the punishment God has waiting for them. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Nadzieja,
you mean if you were a nurse, your kids were going hungry and the only job available to you was with a catholic church, you wouldn’t take it?? If their employment notice doesn’t make the catholic religeon a bonefied condition of employment, and by law they can’t, then it is not misrepresentation!

samurai,
If this isn’t a jelly brained twerp I don’t know what is. The idiot, he can’t even remove himself from this site even though all he has to do is “unsubscribe” – go figure. . . how much you wanna bet he’s still wearing Pampers. . .

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

P.S. I don’t know about pampers, but maybe they are depends?

I would have to agree Marian!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0yhHHPc7IU

That’ll be the day when Ben Crystal shocks anyone! He is as predictable as ever.

Why do you waste your time watching him then?

What popped out of her mouth(keyboard)has no bearing on whether Karolyn watched the video. She probably didn’t watch it.She dislikes Ben C..Period.

Ask Al Gore. His life has been spent on the government dole for his whole life, with the exception of the two years when he worked at the Nashville Tennessean.

“In the beginning there was the word and the word was GOD”. Or if you are a J.W. “in the beginning there was the word and the word was A God”. The final verse of the Bible sums this discreptancy up real well. “Those who take from the words here will have their name removed from the book of life, and those who add to the words will have all the plagues listed herein to their life”! See what adding ONE little one letter word can do?

Joe – That doesn’t take into account the vagaries of translation.

Well said Joe H., fellow patriot! Karolyn, this is true that the Bible can be translated differently by people, but that is not the important issue. The important issue is what it says and the meanings behind it. What Joe H. said: “In the begininng there was the word, and the word was God.” and “In the beginning there was the word, and the word was a God.” He’s implying the the word is God and not God himself. See what he is talking about now? That would be like sayinh that the Bible is a God and not the word of God. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Couldn’t find any source for your information Joe but I did look on 5 threads. Now it’s your turn to prove that 60%.

Like YOU do eddie?????

What do you mean Joe H? Don’t you know ed-duh always posts sources, cough, cough, cough! Doesn’t he, cough, cough, cough? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai,
you really MUST do something for that nasty cough you have!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Tom, Jesus never refered to himself as a Christian! He died claiming he was THE PERFECT JEW, THE MESSIAH.THE “PROMISED ONE” ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH LITERATURE!
Have you never wondered why all of those Christians among the drafters of the Constitution didn’t just say that “Christianity shall be the official religion of this nation.’?Rather than Congress shall make no law relative to religion?It would have been just as easy IF THAT IS WHAT THEY HAD REALLY WANTED TO SAY. RIGHT???WAS WHAT THEY SAID IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT WRONG?

You are so overeducated that it absolutely astounds me NC!!! Didn’t I tell you it gets their panties in a wad Pete?!! We were first called Christians (Greek for “little Christs”) at Antioch. So did ya know that also Mr. Smartipants?!! Well evidently not!!! The wall of seperation was drawn up to protect religious rights, not abolish them!!! The Pilgrims fled jolly ole’ because they didn’t want to be forced to join the Church of England!!! Study your history Ding Bat!

Acts 11:26 (KJV)
“And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”

Why in the HELL would Jesus call himself a Christian, huh Nimrod?!!

And Tom W. goes up for the shot defended against by NC and …..WHAM!!! widd a righthand!!! tom dances away and NC hangs his head in defeat!!!The crowd goe wild!!!!

TOM. IT AIN’T WHAT WE CALL OURSELVES IT’S WHAT WE REALLY ARE! FROM WHAT I SEE FROM THE BIBLE JESUS NEVER CONSIDERED HIMSELF ANYTHING BUT A JEW.HOW MANY PASSOVERS DID HE OBSERVE THAT WERE NEVER KNOWN AS THE LAST SUPPER! CHRISTIANS BORROWED HIM FROM THE JEWS!

Not really. Christ, a true Israelite from the Tribe of Judah and who came from Galilee in the north, distinguished himself from the Jews of Judea and Idumea in the south, who by that time were mostly of non-Israelite heritage. He came for the Lost sheep of the House of Israel, not the Jews who he condemned for their corrupt heritage, traditions and treachery before they murdered him. Christ was an Israelite who represented the true faith of the Old now continued in the New, not the perverted Talmudic diversions of the Edomite and mixed-breed Jews who occupied southern Judea and who he condemned at his own peril leaving an example and reminder for the rest of us. The modern church has embraced the enemies of Christ in the modern oxymoronic perversion called Judeo-Christianity… just one more treacherous charade bought about by the father of all lies to tickle the ears of ignorant and gullible, but well-intentioned Christians today. And though they are not being crucified literally, their heritage, culture and religion are, and they just keep begging for more!

Tom, you must assume that NC went to a government indoctrination center (Public school for those in Rio Linda), where they teach revisionist history.

We borrowed Jesus from the Jews? You get more and more rediculous every day NC (no cajones). FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

And what comes next is “assisted suicide”. Let’s take a head count between Church of God and Church of Obama. Ooh, close call!

Uh, we gonna need a license to do a head count Warrior? Wouldn’t surprise me at all. . . LOL!!!

That new bureaucracy would create a few thousand jobs.

Isn’t it already happening Warrior?!!

And what is wrong with assisted suicide? Is total control of one’s own body a freedom we should all have?

The WAFFEN SS assisted millions in their suicides.
Amazingly it was done to help fund the Nazi War effort.
Making folks unwilling slaves through redistribution of wealth and assisting them in suicide is an awful easy way to”force change”on a populace.Not that I am making any comparisons,rather pointing out a historical fact.It is a shame that some governments just find a need to do these things.It often starts with a person speaking of changing the conditions in the society.I do not think that our president is anything like Adolph Hitler,but then again Germany was looking for a savior at that time in history too.We should be careful of how much change we will let happen at any one time.
-CC.

Well said cc! It seems that Karolyn has forgotten about Dr. Jack Kevorkian (sp). You know, Dr. Death? He performed so many and got a God complex. This was evident that when a patient of his changed their mind, he did it anyway and was charged with murder. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

There is always a hook. The federal govt. can’t really do anything until you have stepped over onto their turf. I don’t know enough about the specifics of hospitals but I do know how the federal govt. operates … which is like a vampire. A vampire must be invited into your house, otherwise you have the power … one sight of a cross or just the whiff of garlic sends them off. But once invited in, no amount of crosses or garlic will prevent them from feeding on your blood.

Guaranteed … there is some privilege that a hospital must take from the govt. that invites the federal govt. in. If that is dealt with, and no privilege is taken from the govt. then they are powerless to dictate anything. The trouble is this … we are so inured to using govt. privilege that we forget. For instance, most people believe there is a law that REQUIRES the use of SSN’s, even most lawyers.

Pete

That law doesn’t apply if you are an illegal alien.

The hospitals are not free business entities if the gov gives them rules and regulations to obey. So the gov in effect owns all hospitals and micromanages at all times.

Absolutely wrong. Problems come in when you use an SSN, fill out a form W-4, and then refuse to file or file some stupid 0 return or refuse to sign under the grounds of the fifth ammendment, etc. If the “employer” is a taxpayer and needs to expense out the cost of your labor on its corporate return, that can be done via the catagory of “other” whereas on a personal return it is “miscelanious” if I am not mistaken … I haven’t filled out a tax form in well over 20 years. About the worst thing that will happen is that the IRS will sent the employer an unsigned form letter advising that if you are a non resident alien you must be in backup withholding. That can be fixed with a signed statement from you that you are a citizen or resident of the United States, sent to the IRS office in Philadelphia PA only. The procedure used to be in IRS pub 515 on page 2, later page 3, prior to the IRS being forced to put all of their publications on the web.

Pete

Peter,
WRONG, Any citizen over 18 is REQUIRED to file a tax form whether they made enough to be taxed or not. Check it out under the tax laws! One of these days, there will come a knock at your door, they wiil confiscate all your holdings and be holding a pair of handcuffs for you to try on for size! IF what you SAY is TRUE!!!

Horse—-. No such law exists. Only “taxpayers” with a certain amount of “income” are required to file. No SSN, no taxable “income.”
Pretty simple. Otherwise, such a law would run afoul of the Constitution, which the income tax laws DO NOT … they are PERFECTLY WITHIN CONSTITUTIONAL BOUNDS AS WRITTEN. Of course, there are are two versions of tax law … as written and “everybody knows.” “Everybody knows” because nobody or at least very few bother to read.

Pete

BTW, forgot to add … your irrational spew is a perfect example of catatonic brainfart. If you are even looking at some law, you are substituting “citizen” for “taxpayer” which is a specifically defined legal term. Not all citizens are taxpayers. A taxpayer is someone who is the subject of Title 26, the internal revenue codes. That is not all inclusive. It includes those who derive income from a government granted privilege. No privilege, no tax. Hire without employment is not a privilege, employment IS a privilege. Employment is a specifically defined legal term.

Interestingly enough … when it comes to discussing income tax and its relationship to use of a socialist slavestate number, catatonic brainfart runs rampant. In fact, it is far easier to discuss 9-11 truth, i.e., that it was an inside job, than it is to discuss the socialist slavestate number/income tax relationship. 9-11 truth causes far less brainfart than social security truth. In either case, there is a spiritual blindness that denies you the ability to see the truth.

Pete

Tell me how many ILLEGAL ALIENS have been prosecuted for violating tax laws.

How is this possible Peter when we all have a SSN# by the age of 1-2 years old? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Peter,
hope you never have a place file a 1099 on you when you work under the table. I’ve had it happen to me when i was working for a condominium association. I now work above the table on EVERYTHING!! There are a lot of Freemen in jail right now as we speak because they believe the same as you!!

It’s impossible to drop a 1099 on someone who consistently doesn’t use an SSN. When dealing with a person or entity that insists on a taxpayer ID number because they wrongly believe that they need a taxpayer ID number from you to expense out the cost of your labor and/or intellectual property on their tax filings, the answer is to provide them with a corporate taxpayer ID number. The most simple way to to is an LLC. The LLC, in turn, can be held by either you, if you don’t use an SSN, or better yet, an unincorporated business trust organization. If the bank insists on a personal taxpayer ID number on the LLC account in addition to the LLC taxpayer ID, work with someone you trust. Your only relationship to the corporate entity is that of outside consultant with no taxpayer ID.

Pete

Peter,
Care to discuss the Freemen that I mentioned?? One of their biggest beliefs is that the government doesn’t bill you for your taxes, therefore you don’t owe them taxes. THEY don’t use ssan and there are a GREAT MANY of them in frderal prisons right now!! they also think the government can not “licence the people to use the highways of the US. thus a big number of them are arrested for no licence six or seven times before the Judge throws the book at them!!

Joe,

If anyone is jacked up on a tax beef regarding the income tax, it is because they used an SSN or other personal taxpayer ID number, period. There is a mechanism whereby people are made liable. Don’t use an SSN you never hear from the IRS. Use one and don’t file and either a W-2 or a 1099 is dropped on you and you will have to deal with the IRS.

Highway use can be licensed IF AND ONLY IF it is commercial. The trick the system uses is to get you to turn your private vehicle into a commercial “motor vehicle” that they have an interest in and therefore can license the use of. This is done via the motor vehicle registration process. The document that you never see unless you demand from the dealer when you pay cash for a new car is the MCO or Manufacturer Certificate of Origin. This is used to convey title. The dealer generally sends this into DMV and they record it, which then gives them the right to issue a lesser title known as “certificate of title” and demand your licensure and proof of financial responsibility, generally via insurance although you can also post a bond.

In the event that you remove the state’s interest via commercial lien or just scrapping the title and remanufacture via your own MCO/VIN plates of your creation and recording publicly to yourself, at that point the state cannot demand a license to use because they have no interest in that property. At that point you can successfully assert right to travel as opposed to drive by privilege, altho you will probably have a few court fights with local oinksters before they leave you alone. If the state has an interest, they win, if they don’t, you CAN win provided you don’t stick your foot in your mouth.

Pete

More catatonic brainfart/brainwashed mindless rot.

First of all … the US of A was founded on the principal that “We The People” are sovereign and government is servant. That means that “We The People” are Caesar. So that “render unto Caesar” crap doesn’t apply anyways, UNLESS you are stupid enough to make government your Caesar.

Secondly … the Bible verse that DOES apply to the income tax is NEVER the one that your average brainwashed pastor quotes, and that is the one about the fish in the coin’s mouth and to whom does the tax apply, Citizens or foreigners. This is the Bible story that is totally applicable to the income tax, which, is at its core, a tax on international income … that is, foreign entities with US sourced income or a citizen here residing abroad with foreign earned income under protection of the US flag. The income tax also applies to federal employees, which is what you make yourself if you use a socialist slavestate number (totally voluntary by law) on the job. Regardless … when Jesus and Peter didn’t have time to argue over the tax, a miraculous provision was made to pay it. That means that all of you who are forced into paying income tax due to being forced into socialistic insecurity by a brainwashed employer should be claiming that verse for miraculous provision to pay those taxes.

Bottom line … if you are paying into socialistic insecurity/using a socialist slavestate number/paying income tax you are paying for your own enslavement. Protesting all of the freedom destroying crap that is going on in this country is one thing, but I don’t understand railing against all of that and then turning around and paying for your own enslavement.

Pete

Peter, you overstep yourself.

First of all, I don’t challenge the power structure as it is meant to be. I agree that the people are supposed to be the ones in charge, not the government.

Secondly, government has made itself Caesar, just like it was in Rome. Rome was a Republic. Caesar declared himself dictator for life and got killed for it. By the time of Tiberius, people were being executed for making comments about the emperor he didn’t like. I didn’t make government my Caesar. I didn’t cheer him as he crossed the Rubicon. I have protested every step of the way, only to be drowned out by the sound of thunderous applause as one right after another is stripped away. The people have the government Caesar.

Thirdly, Tiberius required tribute of the people in Judea. Jesus was asked if it was right to pay tribute to Caesar. Jesus told them to render unto Caesar that which was Caesar’s.

Lastly, you enjoy the privileges and protection provided through the taxes you despise. If you prefer, you can be like that man I read about who refused to pay his local taxes, which included police, fire, medical, and other emergency services. After making such a big deal of it, going public on the news and everything else, it just so happened that his house caught on fire. When the firemen got there and saw whose house it was, they let it burn to the ground. When the man protested, he was reminded about how he refused to pay the tax that paid for such services.

Some taxes are bad. Excessive taxes are definitely bad. But the right taxes paid in the appropriate amounts is justified, because we all share in the enjoyment and compensation we receive from such taxation when we have need to call 911, or want to apply for a grant for our kid to go to college, or want to travel the interstate and visit a tourist destination in our country.

So don’t be a boob. I’m neither brainwashed nor mindless. If you are going to protest, at least protest intelligently, and about things that make a difference.

Someone needs to give you what the game is or you are ——–. Protest all you want, but, yes, it WAS you that made govt. your Caesar, you volunteered your rights away all along. But don’t feel bad, you are in good company, 99.999% of everybody else has also. You did this because you don’t know what your rights are in the first place.

One of your inalienable rights that you were born with is an unlimited right to enter into agreements with others, including govt. Govt. is the absolute master of getting people to volunteer their rights away without realizing what they are doing. To get a handle on what the game is and what your remedy is, the starting point are the videos of Robert Arthur Menard. Start with “Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception” and “The Magnificent Deception” in that order, both free to watch on youtube.

The issue is not good tax or bad tax, the issue is full disclosure or lack of full disclosure as to how liability is incurred for any given tax.

Pete

Peter, you’re far too presumptuous. And a little ignorant about the basics of political economy. I will not elaborate further.

Care to cite a source on that? Next, if you tone down your language and not rant, it would bring more credibility to your postings. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai,
If that was directed at Alex, his tale is TRUE! It was in the news not long ago.

Sorry fellow patriot. That was for Peter. I should have posted that. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Why not Tom, his administration is filled with the Wall Street bankers.

Ditto!!!

Absolutely NOT! But it fits in his “scheme’ and that of George Soros

Can you say NWO Patti?!!

egg-zactly!!

If we didn’t fund them, Tom, we wouldn’t be ABLE to tell them what to do!!! Get rid of all the funding to every little backwards country in the world as well as the industrialized ones, and put all that money towards our deficit!!! It does not make a lick of sense to borrow money to prop up other governments when we are BROKE! Do you go around borrowing money to give (not lend!) to your friends? If you do, then you are as CRAZY as our Government, ALL OF THEM!! Minus a couple of fiscal conservatives, of course!!

Here is a video to watch:

http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/video-is-obama-responsible-for-1000-kenyan-deaths/

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

hen push commes to shove, they’ll understand Sirian!

Don’t ask me!!! Gremlins sounds good to me!

I knew them little critters were involved, I just knew it!! . .

Tom, don’t feel bad, I’ve been having to proof read all that I post to be sure they (gremlins) haven’t removed MY caps and letters!!!

I have those pesky things also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Good night all, the weekend is officially over. See y’all Mon. AM!

Can you say NWO?!!

And still, a British colony!

Possibly to be “United Socialist States of America” if we don’t do something to oust this devil in the White House.

No Jay, it is merely the “GOVERNMENT PLANTATION”, with Obama as the MASSAH.

Actually, he is not the POTUS, but the COOTUS. Community Organizer of the United States. Sheesh! I guess he is like Hitler and Stalin, since they started off this way also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I guess it really is the land of the free (stuff). Let’s just hope it doesn’t become the home of the gnave.

Yes NC, tax money IS funding abortions at PP!! By freeing up other funding to be used on abortions, our tax money IS funding abortions!!

Like the $360 million that was to be given to unplanned parenthood by Obama bin Laden and his administration. Fortunately, the Congress got some brains and defunded it. Also, Indiana did the same thing, but Obama bin Laden tried to extort the state by holding up medicare.medicaid payments. Not just taxes, but strong arm tactics. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I would Tom, but I don’t have a time machine to go back and I don’t have it recorded!

Sorry Joe, I thought I posted this!

http://www.thegospel.com/clients/jvim-jack-van-impe-ministries/media.asp

No prob Tom, just havin a little fun with ya!! I figured you either forgot something or you meant 2-24-12!

10 more and we can have a coven!!!

Warted noses and ALL!!!!

Didn’t Ginsburg once say she voted in favor of Roe V. Wade because she thought it was to “get rid of THOSE people?”

what an ingenious comment…I’ll want to remember that one!

Glad ya liked it Marian!

I can see why you like Ben Crystal’s brand of “humor.” It takes you right back to the 5th grade, doesn’t it?

YUP, just like your outlook on life!!!

And just what would you know about the fifth grade Karlolyn?!!

From Wikipedia:

“The Constitution provides that justices “shall hold their offices during good behavior” (unless appointed during a Senate recess). The term “good behavior” is well understood to mean justices may serve for the remainder of their lives, although they can voluntarily resign or retire. A justice can also be removed by Congressional impeachment and conviction. However, only one justice has been impeached by the House (Samuel Chase, in 1805) and he was acquitted in the Senate. Moves to impeach sitting justices have occurred more recently (for example, William O. Douglas was the subject of hearings twice, once in 1953 and again in 1970), but they have not reached a vote in the House. No mechanism presently exists for removing a justice who is permanently incapacitated by illness or injury, both unable to resign and unable to resume service.”

AJ, I really never had understood the Justice for life deal, just as there comes a time when we all should just hand over the car keys… You get my point!

They have lifetime appointments so they can judge properly, and without fear of reprisal from a president or congress if they judge in a way that one of the other two branches of our government doesn’t approve of.

But I don’t disagree that there definitely comes a time when it’s time for them to step down, even during good behavior.

What she suffers from is known as LBS, (Liberal B!#@h Syndrome) for which there is no cure yet. We The People are workin’ on it as fast as we can! They’d better hope that it never comes to push comes to shove!!! The boiling point is fast approaching!

“In a government of laws, existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent , the omnipresent teacher. For good or ill, it teaches the whole people by it’s examples. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.” – 1928 Supreme Court opinion by Justice Louis Brandeis

Justice Louis Brandeis is turning over in his grave!

Legalized slavery was a sin yet embedded into our Constitution. Which led to total anarchy during our Civil War. Civilized nations have to occasionally revisit their laws for the benefit of the majority to avoid that anarchy.

Actually eddie, if you read a little further, you will see their FREEDOM is just as embedded in our constitution!!

….but was that Freedom allowed at the time?

They did have a number of “free blacks” living in the country at that time. Some of them in the South owned their own slaves. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

NC, most bad things tend to be the result of good intentions. With all due respect, there are barely two or three amendments made since the Bill of Rights that have any merit. Namely, the abolishment of slavery and black and women’s suffrage.
The prohibition on alcohol was in direct contradiction to the spirit of the Constitution. The document was designed to protect our individual freedom, not to provide a basis of control over the people. Such an amendment should have never existed, and its passage and execution led to the greatest era of crime in the history of our country, an era that still reverberates today through the still-existent mob, or organized crime. The additional amendment to repeal prohibition was the smartest thing they could have done.
The fourteenth amendment is mostly redundant. It merely restates the facts of several other articles that had been neglected or ignored up to that point.
The sixteenth amendment robbed the states of their voice in the Senate. Rather than being Representatives of the State, chosen by the State Legislature, they became additional representatives of the people according to popular vote. It’s an abomination, and only someone who doesn’t understand the system devised by the Constitution would think otherwise.
The sixteenth amendment gave us the wonderful gift of income tax so the government would have the means to pay back the central bank, borrow money, and basically spend what it didn’t have. Thanks to it, we are in the financial mess we are in right now.
The twenty-second amendment is stupid. Presidents shouldn’t have term limits. The only thing a two term limit does is guarantee that if we have a good president, we don’t get to keep him, and if we have a bad president, we are certain that he will act the fool during his final term when there are no consequences. Any president wishing to be reelected will behave in a way that encourages people to continue to vote for them (much as Obama is right now trying to do things to boost his approval ratings after three years of doing nothing of any consequence). Those who behave poorly will be removed from office.
The twenty-third amendment … DC doesn’t need a vote. For all intents and purposes, DC should be considered part of Virginia for purposes of voting and such. The only necessity for it to be a district separate from the state is the conflict of interest in having the nation’s capital and seat of power as part of a state.
The twenty-fourth amendment allows moral hazard by making it easier for the poor to vote themselves handouts and other destructive legislation, whereas the land owners tend to be more politically minded and focused on the best interest of the country. Case in point, you’re a liberal democrat. I wager that you live paycheck to paycheck, and that you wouldn’t be able to afford the poll tax. I’m a republican (libertarian actually), and I don’t live check to check. I can afford the poll tax. Based on our individual opinions, I can say with confidence that for the sake of us both, I’m the one you want voting for anything that is going to effect BOTH of our lives.
The other amendments are generally inconsequential, discussing things like presidential sucession if the president dies, congressional pay limits, etc.

The real problem with some of what they try to change has to do with basic human rights that were laid down in the Bill of Rights. These were not initially included in the Constitution because the Constitution itself didn’t give the government or the states the power to infringe upon these freedoms. But in their good wisdom, they knew that if they weren’t put down in writing, they would be trampled. So we have the power of free speech, of religion, to complain to and about our government. We have the right to defend ourselves, and to take up arms against our government if it became as it has now become. We have the right to privacy, to be entitled to commit a crime before they seek evidence of a crime. We have the basic human right not to be tortured. We have the right, through a grand jury, to not be put on trial when there is no real evidence, to confront the witnesses accusing us of a crime, to have the advice of a lawyer, a speedy and public trial, etc.
These things should not be changed, abridged, or infringed upon. They are God-given rights, not government given.

So with all due respect, the Constitution is perfect the way it is, provided it is preserved, protected and defended. If the founders once upon a time thought that blacks were of lesser standing in the community, the error has been rectified. But slavery was normal then, as it had been for five thousand years worth of recorded history going all the way back to Egypt. I’ll cut them a little slack on that one given the circumstances. Other than that, I am certain beyond doubt that the Constitution, as it was originally written, amended with nothing more than the Bill of Rights and the thirteenth and ninteenth amendments, would function with excellence, even in our modern climate, provided it is adhered to.

Alex, good comments.

However, with one correction: when you say, with respect to the Bill of Rights, that “these were not initially included in the Constitution because the Constitution itself didn’t give the government or the states the power to infringe upon these freedoms,” I must differ.

The Constitution in body and in several of the first 10 amendments, remained silent as to curtailment of states’ rights. It was mainly a roadmap for restricting the power of the Federal government, and as such did not address “the power to infringe upon these freedoms” insofar as the states were concerned.

Religious tests for state office holding, for example, remained in several state constitutions for some time after the Constitution was ratified, and it was perfectly legal. The First Amendment in particular restricted no state in its abridgement of freedoms of speech, religion, or press if the state so chose. The 10th Amendment bolstered and solidified this concept.

I understand. I meant to point out in that statement that the Bill of Rights was not part of the original Constitution. It was added later, thus the reason the items in the Bill of Rights are amendments rather than a dedicated article.

I don’t know anyone that believes that the US Constitution when written in the late 18th century should be amended from time to time. As for your blanket statement that ..if, then…you are evil, I refer to this (I know he owned slaves, did you think I didn’t?) quote:

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”

Thomas Jefferson

I should have written “should not be amended from time to time.”

You mean like Obama bin Laden Care and the welfare state? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

mikeles,
Actually its drawbacks were covered by it due to the fact that they put in a possible way to ammend it! the problem today, is that there are too many people in power that want to bypass that fact and just ignore what they don’t like!! Adumberer has done that with the war powers act!!

mikeles, things like slavery are why the amendment process exists within the Constitution itself. Don’t be ignorant and condemn the whole document because they considered blacks to be property at the time the document was written. Slavery had existed for five thousand years. It’s not like they were wicked men who came up with this new idea … “Hey, let’s enslave a bunch of blacks from Africa.” The slave trade was alive and well across the world at that time.

And the only real mention of slavery prior to the thirteenth amendment is in Article IV, and mentions them as persons; “No Person held to Service or Labour …” It’s not the Constitution that regards blacks as less than regular people. They are just persons held to service or labor. Unlike Illinois laws that prohibit the ownership of firearms in some counties, which directly violates the Constitution, no state law prohibiting slavery would have been contradicted by the Constitution. Therefore, the Constitution doesn’t actually protect slavery. It just protected property ownership.

But I think any decent and moral person would agree that slavery is wrong. And it is the fact that decent and moral folks across the nation in unanimous agreement think it is wrong that makes it right to create an amendment to the Constitution.

That said … since you hate our evil Constitution, why don’t you piss off and go live in Britain.

“If you do, then I fear you. If you do, then you are evil.” This is the crap they’re force-feeding our kids in school today. No context about the norm of slavery then and the preceding millennia, no accounting for the end of slave importation built into the constitution by brave men who set the wheels in motion to end this age-old and widely accepted practice, no credit for those who knew the confrontation would come, but compromised as a step in getting there, no understanding of the very honest and widely held belief that the Negro could not compete in a white society and a more measured and comprehensive solution would be necessary, no credit for the hundreds of thousands who died to set things right sacrificing more than almost any self-righteous liberal progressive would do today…no nothing honest or in context about these pompous offenses at all. Just slash and burn our Constitution and heroes with slanderous screeds dished up for the historically ignorant. Ridiculous as it is ignorant and arrogant.

Joe apparently knows what the SA constitution says. Right Joe?

I don’t need to see $hit on a piece of paper to know its there!!! I can SMELL it eddie!! How many wars has S. Africa had in its country in the last twenty years? How many civil rights violations? How many government sanctioned MURDERS in country???

One other question eddie. How many women and CHILDREN were raped by african UN troops under kofie Annan???

Don’t forget to ask about the amount of corruption in SA.

Looks like Joe H. and Jukebox have ed-duh backed up into a corner. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

When eddie says, “Joe apparently knows what the SA constitution says. Right Joe?,” it is indicative of his lack of basic knowledge about the US Constitution and our form of government.

It didn’t matter what country’s constitution was admired by Bader Ginsburg, eddie. When a justice of the Supreme Court appeals to international agreements, UN protocols or other constitutions in backing up judicial decisions, that justice is guilty of violating the oath of office and probably perjury. Ginsburg should have been impeached long ago for her traitorous actions.

And stop trying to change the subject, Mr. Alinsky. Even if the SA constitution was better than ours, it has NO BEARING whatsoever on the sworn duties of Ginsburg to preserve, protect and defend the US Conatitution.

Where is he pushing abortion on us? That’s a new one on me.

By punishing states that defund unplanned parenthood and abortion on demand coverage in Obama Care. Sheesh Karolyn, you say you are smart, so there should be no way for you not to know these things, right? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

karolyn,
Adumberer was one that supported partial birth abortion in the senate. for the uninformed, this is where they partially deliver the CHILD (that could live outside the woumb in some cases) stick a pair of sissors into the skull and insert a suction devise that suctions the BRAIN out of the skull! This is not MURDER you say??? BULL$HIT SAYS I!!!

Karolyn, you need to go have your hearing checked. I believe your Medicaid will pay for it.

D’oh! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

In America if a woman is asked if she wants an abortion she can say yes or no. So no one is forcing any one to have an abortion MRMO.

eddie,
i have read of several instances where the prospective mother was not advised of other options, or of any risks to HER life! she may have not been FORCED to have an abortion, but she didn’t make a fully informed decision THANKS TO PLANNED PARENTHOOD!!!

Right on, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_birth_abortion

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

au contraire eddie, it has always been Obama’s vision that federal law should require employers to provide health insurance coverage for their employees, and the same law should require coverage of abortion on demand, which Obama regards as basic ‘preventive’ medicine, in all such plans.

Obama isn’t forcing doctors to perform abortions but Obamacare is mandating that health care providers are required to cover “all FDA approved” forms of cotraception which includes “abortion-inducing drugs” a.k.a. abortions.

The 2010 Affordable Care Act (a.k.a. Obamacare) gives presidential appointees at least 40 regulatory powers that have the force of law. Kathleen Sebelius, President Obama’s Secretary of Health and Human Services, recently exercised one of these powers by mandating that “most new and renewed health plans” are required to cover without cost sharing “all FDA-approved forms of contraception” by August 1st of this year.

This mandate will also impact most individuals with health insurance that does not already cover such items.

It is the fact that he wants to force insurance companies to pay for contraception and abortions. The church run hospitals that have employees on an insurance plan object to contributing to this. Obama wants these church run hospitals to fund these abortions, etc.. by making the insurance companies pay for it. How is making someone pay for something they are dead set against not forcing somebody to pay for something.I don’t want to pay for the murder of a baby and won’t contribute to anybody or anything that funds it.

If someone asked you if you wanted free food, you could say yes or no, but many people would not accept it due to their principles and/or beliefs.

And who asks the child if it wants to be murdered or not?

Apparently Tom doesn’t understand contraceptives vs abortion or he wouldn’t have made his rather sad comment. Contraceptives actually prevent pregnancies thus avoided the temptation for an abortion.

Eddie, The real issue is can Congress make a mandate forcing a religious group to participate in something that goes against their religious beliefs.
The contraceptive issue is not the top issue. It’s can the government force something that violates their 1rst amendment rights on them.
Right on the top of the page of the Bill of Rights, the very first amendment guarrantees religious freedom. Through all the rest of the Bill of Rights, or the Constitution is there any mention of contaception being a right.
The Constitution is the meat and potato’s of this issue. Contaception is just a side dish.

Sure they can. They do it when Christian Scientists withhold medical care from their children, and they even do it with polygomy from Mormons. Why shouldn’t they be able to do it in regard to contraception and women’s health? We don’t have a double standard do we?

Mikeles, That’s what I’m talking about. Instead of tip toeing around the real issue(the 1rst amendment) and bringing up irelevent stuff,(contaception) let’s get down to the real issue.(Constitionality)
Is there a double standard? Yes. Does that mean we are able to violate everyone else’s rights because of it? No. 2 wrongs don’t make a right.

The issue is also that o can force any citizen to purchase anything . He hates this country and has promised to fundamentally transform it and he is.

Mikeles is wrong. Contraceptives are not about women’s health, but about reproduction. The government cannot force you to pay for something. It is a violation of the Commerce Clause in the Constitution. Second, if it is against what someone believes, for religious or personal reasons, they caanot Obama bin Laden cannot force you to do something against those beliefs. We have our God given rights of freedom of religion and choice. Ergo, Obama bin Laden loses on this one. Just like the libs on this site. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

All of ya are missing the point, they want your pre-teen to be sexually active1 You see when they are sexually active, they start to dress to attract, and just think of the billions of dollars that are spent by our teenagers on the products that promise them that they’ll be irresistable!!! Yeah, I’m one of those conspiracy theory nuts also!!!

Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

His number one target is and always has been our children, we must fight him for their sakes with all we got!!! For it is God’s will for us!

eddie,
Actually Toms comment made more sense than you think! If your mother had used contraceptives then there would be a chance you just wouldn’t have been, PERIOD, END OF THOUGHT!! Much better than abortion!!!

Nice and clean!!!

Isn’t it interesting that all of those who favor abortion are still alive?

Very observent Ron!!!

My goodness, the Catholic church; a monster with more blood on its hands then perhaps Hitler and Stalin; objecting to abortion? That’s a good one, and rather disturbing! When will all the sleeping, Catholic-sheep wake up?

Only if they’re Protestant babies Jay!!!

Hmm, you said a mouthful there, Tom. Why do i get the feeling you know more then you’re letting on? Nevertheless, your statement is correct!!!

Jay, Please enlighten this sleeping Catholic about all the blood on the churches hand.
What violence did the Church commit?
I know that abortion in the U.S. since R vs. W. is at over 50 million dead. Is it wrong to oppose that?
If you want to use the Crusades as an example, that was Christians reclaiming land the Muslims took from them.
Tell what Church condoned violence ocured in the last three centuries.

I suggest you study the history of the Reformation, Jim. In particular, the Council of Trent. As well, the counter-reformation.

Here is a good resource you would do well to study.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/vatican_assassins.pdf

Jay, I read a portion of the book by Eric Jon Phelps, White seperatist American Freeman Dispensational, Fifth Monarchy, Seventh- Day Baptist- Calvinist. I question the agenda of an auther with those credentials.
His link to the Jesuits to the Mafia is weak to nonexistant.
It’s all acusation with nothing to back it.

JimH, perfectly understandable that you would be somewhat discouraged investigating an religious organization you obviously place a great deal of faith in, to the tune of ignoring historical evidence, because, thankfully, and to your relief, you ascertained the evidence presented was from a questionable source. But facts are facts, and to dismiss facts because they are presented from someone who does not hold your political, or religious, or even your sociological mind-set, is to in essence; throw the baby out with the bath-water.

Mr. Phelps, despite his personal convictions, is considered to be one of the most respected historians, concerning the issue discussed. You would do well, and would be to your profit, to consider research from different sources, perhaps, that will echo Mr. Phelp’s findings. I’m sure you are well familiar with Malachi Martin, an ex-jesuit and Cardinal, among others, to numerous ex-catholic-clergy to mention, that concur with Mr.Phelps.

As for myself, who am i, that you should consider seriously, my opinion? Only to say; i was born and raised a Catholic, so i understand quite well, your irrational rejection of the facts, and all the myriad of reasons for their dismissal!

We have a serious problem with overpopulation no doubt about it. My grandmother was catholic and she died catholic. I believe that religion ruined her life. She married at fifteen and she couldn’t avoid children had an abusive husband for 20 years until he died because she couln’t divorce him. Her brothers tried to kill him because they were catholic too. She has to be married until he die. Apparently he died of natural causes. She married my grandpa because she needed somebody to support her children. My grandma had seventeen children. If I have a choice between my grandma life and to be aborted I prefer the second choice. I’m 100 % in favor of birthcontrol.This world don’t need more people needs better ones.

Sorry Mary, but overpopulation is one of the 12 biggest lies known to man. We can always adapt to more people and since technology is always improving things, we can use it to keep up with the population. Like growing food in cold regions of the planet, tec. This is possible. Marriage is supposed to be for the rest of your mortal life, but God did give us one, and only one, reason for a divorce, adultery or fornication. Not money, better life, freedom, or other nonsense things brought up today. Jay, I understand what you are saying, but the muslims have killed more than 270 million people, due to their faith in a false God and the Quar’an. That’s more then any other religion or the Catholic Church. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai, please take a look at this!

http://www.youtube.com/user/tlthe5th

As well, this, Samurai;
 
How the Vatican created Islam. The astonishing story from an ex-Jesuit priest, Alberto Rivera, which was told to him by Cardinal Bea while he was at the Vatican. -By Alberto Rivera
 
This information came from Alberto Rivera, former Jesuit priest after his conversion to Protestant Christianity. It is excerpted from “The Prophet,” published by Chick Publications, PO Box 661, Chino CA 91708.

Since its publication, after several unsuccessful attempts on his life, he died suddenly from food poisoning. His testimony should not be silenced. Dr. Rivera speaks to us still … “What I’m going to tell you is what I learned in secret briefings in the Vatican when I was a Jesuit priest, under oath and induction. A Jesuit cardinal named Augustine Bea showed us how desperately the Roman Catholics wanted Jerusalem at the end of the third century. Because of its religious history and its strategic location, the Holy City was considered a priceless treasure. A scheme had to be developed to make Jerusalem a Roman Catholic city…

Continued here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/222227/How-the-Vatican-Created-Islam

Consider this as well, Samurai.

http://www.spirituallysmart.com/redmasspics.html

And lastly, and mind-boggling, this. Surprisingly, not many people seem to notice the connection, not to mention the all-ecompasing influence of the Vatican, aided by the Jesuits, in American politics. They practically run the show!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qemRWhtmJe4&feature=player_embedded#!

Thanks for the sources Jay. I’ll start looking at them now. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Right on rosina!!! It’s man playin’ God’s what it is! Just look around you, That’s what has brought us to this point!!!

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.” – II Tim. 3:1-5

You’re not paying attention Rosina for I didn’t say the Catholic Church or even Catholic hospitals have to perform abortions. Contraceptives are for the benefit of all and shouldn’t affect the integrity of the Catholic Church. If a patient goes into a Catholic hospital and requests information on family planning they need more that being told to abstain.

I’ll bet they tell a married couple other options than abstaining. If you are single, abstaining is a must. Catholic hospitals do not have to give birth control items, due to the facts of 1. It is not health care and 2. It is against their beliefs. You cannot force someone to do something against their personal or religious beliefs. It is a violation of that person’s or group’s God given rights written in the 1st Amendment. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I would have never attempted to have an abortion, but my first husband wanted me to after our 2nd child. I needed to have surgery due to problems from having too many large babies after my 4th was born. THEN he said that I could NOT have the operation (as if he could stop me from saving my own life…) had I gotten pg again I would have died. Now, to each of ya’ll sitting in God’s chair, making all the judgments of who shall and shall not abort, I say to you…it is up to the woman and her alone to make that decision. If she is doing it for the wrong reason, she is going to deal with it the rest of her life. It is not up to John or Jane Q. Public to decide what a woman must or must not do in her own personal situation. Judge not…

Patti,
I hate to say this but your husband was obviously very ego oriented. If he didn’t want you to have any more kids there is a much easier solution to that apparent problem and it most certainly isn’t “life threatening”. It’s called “vasectomy”. Takes about thirty minutes and after a few days everything is healed up and it most assuredly doesn’t disable a man from reaching his optimum point of pleasure. HA, you walk in, get it done and walk out. I have never been able to understand men that are so stupid when it comes to that. I guess they just haven’t got the $alls to follow through. . .

In my understanding, Patti wrote that her husband tried to stop her from having the abortion that saved her life.

Karolyn,
Re-read that first line. “I would have never attempted to have an abortion, but my FIRST husband wanted me to after our 2nd child.” That is pretty clear don’t you think? She needed surgery after the 4th baby but THEN he said otherwise even though it may had resulted in her death if she did not have it. That in and of itself is somewhat confusing insofar as his intent and belief but again, the initial statement made by Patti is what my response was directed to. Keep in mind, his belief and or direction statement to her was made at least 18 months after their 2nd child was born which was the time period involved in her first statement. Over that amount of time it is not impossible that people can change their minds or attitudes in relation to any issue at hand. Also, she’s speaking of her FIRST husband, not presumedly whomever she may be married to now. Am I defending Patti, no, merely making a point of an attitude that is fairly common amongst men – in general. It is not the attitude/belief of all men – ME INCLUDED – but unfortunately it still exists.

Well said Sirian. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Sirian,
they even have a vasectomy called the “golden valve”! If you don’t want kids now you have it installed and turned off. When you do, you simply go in, minor surgery to get to the valve, open it and presto-chango, you can have kids!! works very good in 985 of the guys but a very small percentage are not good candidates!

I did not word my discussion properly and I apologize to all. I did not and nor have never had an abortion. The operation that I had was a partial hysterectomy. While the husband had to sign for a wife to have her tubes tied (in military facility), his signature/permission was not needed for a hysterectomy. I was informed (1980) that if I were to become pregnant again, due to internal problems, I could bleed to death before arriving at the hospital for emergency care. My first husband decided that as a woman – I was not necessary in the lives of the 4 children – yet he wanted 2 more & did not care what risk it was to me. So, I got the operation and upon returning home he had packed the house already – and loaded the kids and me up and relocated us to another state, next to my own family. He said because of this operation, I was “no longer a woman”. Vasectomies at that time were in the experimental stages. He has been married 4 more times since then – and to my understanding has no other kids. He never attempted to communicate with ours until they were in their 30′s and had kids of their own. My point here is that – IF a woman leaves it up to a spouse or others for her own personal care, the decisions of life and death, and if there must be a life shattering event (abortion included), the decisions are usually wrong – taken away from the value of morals – and steering away from the sane part of life – even God. That man thought he was God…still does. I hope that makes it clearer.

I understand what you are saying Patti. FOR GOD AND COUNTY!

“Now, to each of ya’ll sitting in God’s chair, making all the judgments of who shall and shall not abort, I say to you…it is up to the woman and her alone to make that decision.”

And just WHO is “sitting in God’s chair” to make judgments on whose life shall be taken (murder) and whose won’t? It’s all a matter of perspective.

Moreover, with what part of the Fifth Amendment to the Constritution do you have a problem, i.e., that no person shall “be deprived of life, liberty or property , without due process of law?”

Don’t forget the 14th Amendment fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKaVuymKg3A&feature=related

Here is another one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCeSLQFlArA

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Baloney. You did not have the abortion all by yourself,you involved another human in the equation to help you destroy a baby.

Elementary, Mrs Watson, elementary, and so true! Should the woman wish to extinguish her life, and her own life alone?…but you are 100% correct; it is not her own life she wishes to destroy, now is it? Why can’t the pro-abortionists see as clearly as you?

You could have had a C-section and saved both of your lives, right? I always thought the child’s life was the important one here. If you knew about your situation, you could have taken the BCP or had an operation so you wouldn’t get pregnant. An ounce of prevention goes a long way. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

P.S. Thank you for sounding like a femi-nazi and declaring that it is OK to murder your child.

Interesting read.

http://content.eaglepub.com/?JatgpEwFRs.pbXMWVzN-v8X2qH8shSgRJ&http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=49425

Isn’t it interesting, how we went from glorifying serial-killers on hollywood-screens, to granting them licences, facilities, and exorbitant funding, so they may ply their blood-thirsty-trade, and, with political protection, supported by our judicial system! Whoever coin-phrased: “The wolf is in the hen-house”, was a prophet! Thanks for the link, Warrior.

Do it Jay!!!

Warrior; Sanger didn’t found Planned Parenthood so Malkin is the continuous slanderer like Coulter in spreading misinformation to please her readers. Sanger did have an organization which did join Planned Parenthood in 1942. Eugenics was not considered within PP then and not even today.

Eddie, according to Wikipedia;

Margaret Higgins Sanger (September 14, 1879 – September 6, 1966) was an American sex educator, nurse, and birth control activist. Sanger coined the term birth control, opened the first birth control clinic in the United States, and established Planned Parenthood. Sanger’s efforts contributed to the landmark U.S. Supreme Court case which legalized contraception in the United States. Sanger is a frequent target of criticism by opponents of the legalization of abortion, based primarily upon her racial views and support of eugenics, but she remains an iconic figure for the American reproductive rights movement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

eddie,
care to answer Jay here???

Sanger founded the American Birth Control League in 1921.She joined the newly emerging Planned Parenthood group in 1942 but didn’t found it. Now in 1946 she did create the International Planned Parenthood and became president of the USA operation from 1952-59. In her early years she was arrested for Advocating contraceptives but that is the way America was and in some circles still is.

Yes eddie, Margaret Sanger is the founder of Planned Parenthood and a very evil woman!

The origins of Planned Parenthood date to 1916 when Margaret Sanger, her sister and a friend opened the first birth control clinic in the U.S. in Brooklyn, New York.[8] It resulted in her being jailed.[9] In 1938, the clinic was organized into the American Birth Control League, which became part of the only national birth control organization in the US until the 1960s, but the title was found too offensive and “against families” so the League began discussions for a new name.[10] By 1941, the organization was operating 222 centers and had served 49,000 clients.[11] By 1942 [4] the League had become part of what became the Planned Parenthood Federation of America.[10]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_parenthood

Margaret Sanger was a racist and the Founder of Planned Parenthood

In Her Own Words: “The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”

On the extermination of blacks:
“We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,” she said, “if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.” Woman’s Body, Woman’s Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

On respecting the rights of the mentally ill:
In her “Plan for Peace,” Sanger outlined her strategy for eradication of those she deemed “feebleminded.” Among the steps included in her evil scheme were immigration restrictions; compulsory sterilization; segregation to a lifetime of farm work; etc. Birth Control Review, April 1932

Sanger espoused the thinking of eugenicists — similar to Darwin’s “survival of the fittest” — but related the concept to human society, saying the genetic makeup of the poor, and minorities, for example, was inferior. Pivot of Civilization, by Margaret Sanger, 1922

eddie,
Wrong again! according to wikkipedia, she founded American Birth control league which BECAME Planned parenthood Federation of America.She alsoserved as president of the International Planned Parenthood Federation from 1952 to 59!!!

eddie, Margret Sanger’s studies in eugenics were heaped absolute praise by the likes of Adolf Schicklgruber Hitler himself! The name of the organization was changed (I believe that I’m at least close) from the American Birth Control League to PP because it portrayed a more positive image! Well it’s time for me to get ready for church, I’ll holla at y’all! Keep your eyes on the skies!!!

You are really off base with this one, ed-duh. Didn’t you know that they give their doctor of the year the “Margaret Sanger Award?” Why would they name it after her, if she had nothing to do with it at all?

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger_Award

Notice that 2 of the people awarded were Hitlery Clinto and Jane Fonda. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

When it comes to over population Jay the writing is on the wall. Maybe it’s not happening in your backyard and the USA is more rational in family planning yet there are many places in the world where there is growing concerns. The China policy is a prime example where they allowed themselves to propagate like rabbits which eventually led to the one child law. Poor planning,lack of contraceptives,lack of suitable land,people crammed into high rises to save farmland.This happens in other countries also and could come to a neighborhood near you if we aren’t wise in moving forward.

Actually, the need for children in China was to keep the farms going and keep things in the family. So, you are saying that we hould be like China, ed-duh? I do no think so. Why don’t you go to India and say that crap? They are predicted to have more people than China. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

eddie,
If they are so worried about overpopulation and shortages of food, then why would they let places like monsanto produce plants whose seeds will not reproduce?? They not only allow it, they protect them like their own child!!

Eddie, as i recall, on several occasions, you testified in writing; that you are a Christian, attend church, and are well versed in the Scriptures. Yet, your concern regarding the overpopulation of the planet issue, is somewhat perplexing. No doubt, you are familiar with the command we read in Genesis; “Be fruitful and multiply?” Notice if you will, therein, and afterwards, and throughout, there is no mention, or caution to exceed a specific number. In fact, regarding multiplication of population, there is no specific cap set in place. Why? Further, there is no method specified by which to maintain a certain number of people so as to prevent the destruction of the planet, and species, due to over-population. Don’t you find that, rather odd? Considering this, then, we would have to conclude, that our Creator, who created all that which we see, including us, didn’t seem to be the least bit concerned of how many people would be born on this planet; even if humanity were to cover every square inch of the planet, surely, He, God, would be more then able to provide? After all, is anything impossible for God? So why is then, that we created beings, wring our hands, cast our doubts, accuse our Creator of not being able to meet our needs, our challenges? Unbelief, Eddie, pure and simple! We are double-minded. We are also, irresponsible administrators, we hoard, we covet, and we destroy. Is the planet overpopulated? Hardly! However, a more pressing issue; we are of no faith! You say you are a Christian, Eddie, but i suspect you may be a closet atheist.

Well said, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

No Eric, it is murder, especially when done on children that could survive outside the woumb!!! Please don’t try to tell me THAT isn’t done!

Drowning your first born because it is a girl instead of a boy (or vise-versa) is birth control too but it is also murder.

Abortion is murder, population control, and eugenics. Enough said! No exceptions!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7014Ljr38ds&feature=related

You tell me if the woman in this video agrees with you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

My vote goes for Pelosi, all you need to do is make her hair look a little nicer. It won’t cost to much, as long as we keep the government out of it !!!

MRCO, have you ever seen this ad that Ms. Pelosi’s challenger ran against her in her last campaign?!! Political gamesmenship at it’s absolute best!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7jJI1cfEgc

HILARIOUS!!!

Pelosi is the Wicked Witch of the Left.
Why would you insult the Wicked Witch of the West that way?
-CC.

I thought she was the reincarnation of Circe or Mad Madam Mim. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

My Bad CC!!!

or ann coutier!

She’s just a plain WITCH ! for any and all directions.

Do you know why witches don’t wear panties Deer?…. So they can keep a better grip on their broomsticks!!!

Has anyone noticed the adam’s apple that Ann seems to be sporting?? Yikes!

Did you gays see Palin at the CPAC? She still looks pretty good. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Who are you calling “gays”, Samurai? I sincerely hope that that was a typo! LOL!

That should be did you guys… FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Or Hitlery, Boxer, Feindyke, Michelle bin Laden, Maxine Waters, etc., etc., etc. Did you hear that Obama bin Laden is trying to destory the 2nd Amendment?

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/CPAC-LaPierre-Obama-Second/2012/02/11/id/429138

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I am wondering about what she was doing in Egypt. I was under the impression that Jews were forbidden to enter Egypt.

They don’t want to mess with someone that supports the Muslim Brotherhood like Obama bin Laden. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Dogs are people too!!!

You do realize that dog is God spelled backwards?! Just checking!

YEP…I am almost certain the God and dog are that way in almost every language…..Sheesh!

What the hell, Dogs are worth more than a lot of the progs here, and THEY get free welfare!!!!!

Yes, this is true. Fluffy, our puppy, gets free healthcare. It come from my paycheck. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samari, your paycheck pays for your dogs healthcare AND the healthcare of a whole lot of illegal aliens!

samurai, sorry I misspelled your name! My fingers have a hard time keeping up with my thought process sometimes!

Happens to the best of us LRS!

No problem LRS. It happens to the best of us. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I also think that kids should be able to stay on their parent’s insurance policy until they are eligible for Medicare. That should appease the ultra left wingers.

Oh it’s possible Jimbo, but it would take both houses of Congress, in full agreement, more or less, to impeach a justice. That right there is the hang up – when would that ever be possible? HA, the only time it was carried out was back in 1805, Justice Samuel Chase. Yes, there have been a couple other attempts since then they never made it through. As I said, you’d have to have both houses of Congress to make it so.

You mean the same Samuel Chase that said:

“Religion is of general and public concern and on its proper support depend, in great measure, the peace and good order of government, the safety and happiness of the people. By our form of government, the Christian religiong is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are place upon the same equal footing, and are equally entitled to protection in their religious liberty.”

Samuel Chase 1803

This would mean yes to school prayer, no Christians being arrested for praying at queer pride parades, no acceptance of gay, bisexual, and transgender lifestyles, etc. Maybe they should have listened to him more closely. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

That would be comparable to getting rid of Eric Holder!

How about a clear violation of her oath of ofice . treason I would say . Maybe even the death penalty . How can she possibley pass judgement on our laws . She should be taken off the court for sure for what she said

Do you not understand that Oaths & the Constitution have ZERO meaning to the duplicitous, mendacious, Progressive government officials?

Right on! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I know alot of ways

Lemmings are simply lemmings, they always have been and always will be!!! The sad thing about our system is that EVEN they have the right to vote!

Tom W.,
What’s that good old line. . . YOU CAN’T FIX STUPID!! Lord have we got a load of stupid people wandering around still.

Many of them are the libs on this site. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

“Life’s tough……It’s even tougher if you’re stupid.” – John Wayne

Speakin’ of samurai, where they all at? There’s been only two sighting so far this morning!!! They’re what Archie Bunker referred to as “Ding Bats”!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fqCS7Y_kME

Tom W.,
That and “Meatheads”!!!

speaking of that, I just remembered, HIS NAME IN TH SITCOM WAS ROB!!!
As in ROBERT????

Good posts fellow patriots! Ha, ha, ha, ha! Thanks for the laugh Joe H. I was having a bad day till now. I guess not many left wing wackos are going to show up, due to the fact that they may not be able to spin the truths that Ben has told us. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! Good job, as always Ben. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Spin, ain’t nothing but a ThAng, I didn’t watch Crystal clip or I’d show you.

But it’s seem clear to me, the people we are really fighting for control over this nation love people like Ben and yourselves. They craft these “arguments” just to keep you busy and distracted from the real issues while they could care less about it.

It’s like giving a puppy a chew toy and maybe he won’t chew the furniture up.

Enjoy yourselves.

Damn!!! Thare went the nieghborhood! I gettin’ ready to suggest that we get out the grill and have a feast like the one my brother and I had yesterday in honor of our uncles memory. We likes to eat, it’s a famly thang!!! That’s the sole purpose I joined a Southen Baptist Church, see you don’t have to worry about not havin’ six-pac abs at a SBC, ain’t nobody else got ‘em either!!! Those blessed souls like to eat also! Paula Dean style!!! Somethin’s gotta kill ya, long as it ain’t the Devil, might as well be good Food! Sorry boys! Been known to chase a rabbit every now and then! Where were we? Oh yeah, we had a rack of ribs and some Cajun boiled shrimp, AYYYYEEEEE!!! That’s how we roll down here in LA (Lower Alabama)! Oh yeah and then that blowhard with the Indian handle had to show up! Talk about ruining a wet-dream!!! Boy, your grandmother ought to smack ya!

Hey Tom, Obama is the #1 Chef in America today. He has cooked up a giant pot of BOVINE FESCES STEW, and is serving up a healthy serving to the DUMB MASSES that blindly believe in him.

Hey Jukebox, couldn’t that be a lamb chop barbeque? It could be, due to the number of sheeple in this country. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

It’s like pancreas cancer. God protect me from that. I’m sure a lot people is a waste of oxygen. My best friend believes in population control. He told that 90% of the people is stupid. Is that true? I need to research that.

Hey Juke Box, look a couple of are even coming back for seconds!!! Yummm!

Hey Joe H, I for the longest time didn’t think that there was any such animal as a male ding-bat! But one night on O’Reilly, Geraldo changed my mind! Ever since that revelation I’ve noted several sightings of the male of the species!!! So while there are surely “Meatheads” out there, there are also male ding-bats although they do tend to be a little more affeminate!

Spin, ain’t nothing but a ThAng, I didn’t watch Crystal clip or I’d show you.

But it’s seem clear to me, the people we are really fighting for control over this nation love people like Ben and yourselves. They craft these “arguments” just to keep you busy and distracted from the real issues while they could care less about it.

It’s like giving a puppy a chew toy and maybe he won’t chew the furniture up.

Enjoy yourselves.

You know, deerinwater, sometimes i think the same thing myself. We fleet from one topic to the next, and with each topic, barely scratching the surface, much less apply adequate perspective, before moving on to the next. May that be the reason why at times we may all feel a bit dizzy, and frustrated?

It’s the 21st century equivalent of bread and circuses Nothing like a well aimed Episcopal kick to the jack and jewels of our Constitutionally ignorant POTUS to add a little zest to a dialog made wimpy due to the State
Religion of Political Correctness.

Profoundly said taliesin, carry on my good person!

“Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are a gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?”

Thomas Jefferson

Today, in the name of “equality” and “political correctness” the basic liberty to love and worship God-the God of the Holy Bible-is being undermined. A vocal minority has undertaken a mission to rewrite history and force all Americans to live in a society without the God of our forefathers and without the freedoms that they acknowledged and declared God gave us. How can any American deny that our forefathers believed in God and Liberty from the overpowering hand of government when their words, and God’s name, are etched in our memorials and government buildings? It is our American duty to make sure that the very God that our forefathers counted on to guide them in the forming of this great nation is not erased from this society in the name of multi-culturalism (Which is a farce) and “religious freedom.” (Freedom for all, except Christians. Freedom of religion, not from religion.) We are free to worship God as we please in this country, but no one, nor the government, is free to destroy our American Judeo-Christian principles in the name of that so-called freedom.

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

http://www.keepgodinamerica.com

Case in point: In a recent online discussion for my American Government class, we were asked to discuss whether we would adcd anything to the Bill of Rights. I could not believe the number of students who said they would add free health care for all and pretty much unlimited unemployment for anybody losing a job. Another one said she would like an amendment saying soldiers could be stationed wherever they wanted to be! I was absolutely stunned! They know absolutely nothing about anything! These are kids who are at least 18; and I believe some to be in their early 20s.

Amazingloy, they can put a “X” to their student loan – sometimes find their way to class & cafeteria. Geee, I had some cows that learned the same thing… except they could produce milk

That is known as “Feeding at the government trough”.

Sniffer, and some of them invent things, write music and plays and go to the moon and send stuff to Mars and carry on our country! It has never been automatic that this country grow and becone stronger. It has always been done by people who have for the most part been educated in our public school system and public universaties.We can’t abandon the system because parents need to work and can’t afford private education< That means we adults need to work to better the system instead bitching about the worse parts!

Karolyn, wouldn’t you agree that this is a picture perfect example of today’s education system? I hope you don’t disagree with me on this one. My oldest son graduated from IU Bloomington and he told me some stories of students on campus. He said that some were so ignorant, he just stayed away from them. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Oh, I absolutely agree. It amazes me that these kids graduated high school. I have a Spanish class in which they just make me want to bang my head against the wall. I keep thinking “Did they act like this in high school?” and, if so, why didn’t their teachers do something about it?

“……….and, if so, why didn’t their teachers do something about it?”

Because the teachers are not allowed to do anything about it.

Buster you are absolutely correct. They can’t do a thing.

Actually, my Spanish instructor told us a story about a student in HS who was totally failing due to the fact that he did nothing all year. He was approached by the principal and ordered to pass that kid becuase the school needed to up its stats for funding purposes.

I know we don’t agree too often Karolyn, but thanks for agreeing with me. I’ve heard stories, like the one your Spanish teacher told you. But the students I heard of were usually athletes and they wanted a winning team. One of those students graduated from Concord High School, here in Elkhart. He graduated from high school, though his reading ability was below a 6th graders. His name was Shawn Kemp. After he graduated, he went to U of Kentucky, where he was expelled after his first year for accepting gifts from boosters. This helped put Kentucky on waivers for 2-3 years. He went to the pros. Though he went to the pros, he ended up being a has been that was hooked on alcohol and drugs. He still can’t get a job. Why? No college and no one will hire him as long as he is dependent on controlled substances. After he graduated, the state was notified about him from a former teacher. The state investigated and they basically cleaned house. The principal, vice principal, and various teachers were fired on the spot after its completion. Some teachers resigned from the high school and middle school. In total, there were about 20 people fired by the state and 10-15 people resigned voluntarily. The state may have been heavy handed, but it was effective. I, as a history teacher, don’t give anyone a pass. I told my students that if they want to pass my class, they have to earn it. I don’t give grades away. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Great Documentary samurai! Could this be the next big bubble?!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A75KERKwEQM

A link with proof of the indoctrination: http://peacerevolution.org Couple this with “The Naked Communist” from Cleon Skousen, and you have a pretty sharply defined reason for the situation that the Republic finds herself. Go look in the mirror and you will find the problem and the solution to America ever regaining her intended place in the history of mankind.

Good morning Karlolyn, when will you understand that it’s not the entitlement that’s the big problem, its all the corruption that goes along with it! Would you give a blank check to a doctor or lawyer?!! Even you’re smarter than that Karlolyn!!!

Corruption in OUR school system?!! Surely you jest!

Evidently, this is the “TRUE” meaning of “NO child left behind”. You get your diploma, regardless of whether you can read it, or add 1 & 1.

Yes they have been indoctrinated by the corrupt education system fostered by the hypocritical left

Do people even really understand how bad that it is Sparky?!!

I truly believe that most people are not stupid. They are just educated idiots, a lot of book learning but not an ounce of common sense. If it doesn’t spell it out in a book then they are all lost.

Tom W.
better a drone than his……………!

D’oh! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

What he does best is trying to shove his bovine fesces down the throats of the American people.

Yes, we know. Obama bin Laden Care is one of the biggest scams in out history. Also, the majority of the people didn’t want it then and don’t want it now. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

No it isn’t, ~~~~ WMD’s is the biggest scam that’s ever been pulled off. And next to that, is was the Wall Street melt down that socialized loses and privatized profit.

Samurai, would mind sharing how both you and your family manage major medical car coverage today and what, if any change has taken place?

Do you have ancient ones in your family, 84 and up and know of their hardships? So do you have an 20 to 26 years old children?

Deer, do you have to constantly whine?!

Deerinwater (DIW-Dead in the water), I actually have 3 of 4 children between 20-26 years old. One is in the army, so he has meidical coverage, my daughter in in college and on our policies, our oldest son has a job and pays for his through State Farm, so what is your point? If a child turns 25-26 and can’t afford insurance, then they better get a job or redo their household budget. We don’t have anyone above 80 years old yet, but we will in 5-6 years. We always give money to our parents every month. Not a lot, but it helps them with their bills. WMD’s? We’ve already refuted that many times on this site, so why bring it up again? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Actually deerinwater, the biggest scam perpetrated on the USA was not wmd’s, or the wall street financial meltdown; as they are only symptoms of the mother of all scams, the cancer that is killing America; The Federal Reserve act, passed by Congress!!! From that original, hellish scam, springs all of that which afflicts this great nation! Yes sir, indeed!

Well said Jay, fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

“I know that the Lord is always on the side of the right. But it is my constant anxiety and prayer that I and this nation should be on the Lord’s side.” – Abraham Lincoln

For God and country!!!

“America was founded by people who believe that God was their rock of safety. I recognize we must be cautious in claiming the God is on our side, but I think it’s all right to keep asking if we’re on his side”

Ronald Reagan

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

“Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people. The general government . . . can never be in danger of degenerating into a monarchy, an oligarchy, an aristocracy, or any despotic or oppresive form so long as there is any virtue in the body of the people.”
George Washington

Good one Tom. How about this one:

“It is religion and morality alone, which we can establish the principles upon which freedom and security stand.”

John Adams

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Better hide! Here comes the collection plate!!! Who gets to pay for all this free s#!t?!! THE INSURANCE COMPANYS!!! Man, what in the HELL are you smokin’ in that crack pipe?! No I don’t want any of that s#!t!!!

Did you hear the latest news of what Obama bin Laden has done? He wants to make it mandatory for We the People to pay for contraceptives through our insurance. Mandatory paying for it. Now I don’t have to tell anyone that this is a violation of our God given rights under the 1st Amendment, but it is also a violation of the Commerce Clause in the Constitution. The governmet can offer it, but they cannot make you pay for it. It has to be a choice for the people and not dictating to the people. Here is a source that may explain how it is about power, not health issues:

http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/3643/its-not-about-contraceptives-its-about-power

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai,
Did you hear Whitney Houston died??? $8 years old. No details released yet as to why.

I know that I wouldn’t want to be standing to close to him outdoors in case of lightning strike! BOOM!!! Nuttin’ but vapor!

Oh and God rest Whitney’s soul. I lost one of my favorite uncles this weekend but I’m REJOICING!!! He’s in a much better place, a place the Bible speaks of being so absolutely breathtaking that eye hath not seen nor ear heard… , he’s finally reunited with his presious Betty whom left him a few years back to go home to be with our Presious Lord, and I’m quite positve that even the angels in Heaven are rejoicing also!!!

Yes Joe H and Tom. I heard about her dying. I have every album that she made. I used to listen to her a lot when I was in the military. Sook Young likes her music also. No clues as to what happened? I know she divorced her deadbeat husband and got herself cleaned up, but maybe it could be something from when she was using? The human body can only take so much abuse before permanent damage sets in. I hope it wasn’t a scum drug dealer. May the Lord our God rest her soul. She was adored by many and will be missed by many. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

RIP Whitney. I miss you. Very nice tribute at the Grammys last night.

Sure, the insurance companies pay for it, and who pays for the insurance? It goes right back to those who own the policies. It’s just another big Obumski scam.

If you don’t pay or opt out, you have to pay fines to the IRS every year. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

They don’t have crack pipes in the ORAL OFFICE, they have a giant bong that all of Obama’s myrmidons take a big toke off of, whenever he wants complete agreement with one of his stupid ideologies.

D’oh! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Bet they ain’t got nuttin’ like Willy’s Magical Tour bus!!!