Posted: “the suspect opened fire wounding six officers, one fatally.”

Judging from the violence that DID occur it’s clear that the suspect was dangerous. Would he have allowed himself to be taken if they had gone to the door and asked for him to come down to the station politely?

Rob

The MSM is owned by 6, that right six corporations! The news is no longer the NEWS. They have become a propaganda machine for the Dems and Repubs. I notice a big trend in citizen journalism. The MSM is becoming irrelevant. That is the major reason for the drop in newspaper circulation.

Not sure that I disagree with your statement but the real reason for a massive decline in newspaper circulation is called the “Internet”.

What???? Are your rolling something or drinking something?

How so? Nobody died.

What do YOU attribte that to?

I attribute it to the government wanting to fill jails and take money from us taxpayers to do it. It is their BUSINESS to control others for money.

Rob

How can you fill the jails if people do not use drugs? Is that your question?

Let’s see, let’s legalize drugs so our JAILS aren’t full anymore. WOW!! SHAZAAM!!! What a concept!!!!! If we can just make “pot” legal then our jails will be empty!

Dear Robert Smith,

You are right as rain.

Best wishes,
Bob

I’ll bet we agree on far more than we disagree on.

Rob

Now that’s a scary thought.

Why does agreeing with and advocacy for freedoms in America scare you?

Rob

Freedom from what?

Bob L., I’m not the ‘James’ who wrote that, would please ask him to add something to his name, that would differentiate between us?

I agree, they spend a lot of money going after POT, yet real criminals go around assaulting people for months. We were raided because a former employer of son got caught stealing Rx drugs and tried to get out of it, I am 80YO and got yanked from my house, this was hard enough to cause bruises, I was made to stand in hot sun, temp over 90, a code Red, for over 1/2 hour even when I tld them I was an asthmatic,to this day, 6 mos later, I am having health problems. they found a little pot my son had forpersonal use as he has PTSD and self medicated. Heroin, cocaine or Meth are a lot different. Pt users are csting a lot just so they can say it’s a “war on drugs” BS,

They are not going to do it. They are just going to get rid of the competition gradually. Like Venezuela with Chavez the Drug Lord.

Agreed.

What do you mean, will HAVE to get a national ID card? Look in your pocket, you already have one; Its called a DRIVERS LICENSE.

WAKE UP, FOLKS

I hear a lot of guff about why we should not legelize drugs. I don’t know if any of you were around when they made booze illegal. That is when the wars started, all the pushers were making money hand over fist, killings, shootings, all maner of stuff went on.
Then someone finally got smart and made it legel. And all of that stopped. No longer is there money to be made from booze.
The same thing would happen if they did the same with drugs.
Human nature always wants what it cannot have.
If there is no longer money to be made from drugs. That would end it.
Anytime you have a war on something, it gets worse. Check out the war on poverty, how is that working for you?

There are more BlACKS and MEXICANS in Jail because they commit more crimes than WHITES to support their Habits.

NOTHING in WACO was Handled PROPERLY.
FEDS WENT IN TO ELIMINATE.
The only FULL AUTO fire came from the feds.
All if any EVIDENCE was Bulled dozed and carried away, RIGHT to the Ground,??? wonder why why the GOVT felt this was Necessary. ???.
Child services, were allowed to check and interview the children, SAID never seen a more HEALTHY and STABLE Bunch of Children.
NO member was EVER caught with any ILLEGAL WEAPONS, Tho they were arrested and helt for 72hrs, NO CHARGES, HAD to go to Court to have their LEGAL WEAPONS returned to them.

What we have today IS PARANOID COLLEGE EDUCATED POLICEMEN, The do Not have any idea what RIGHT and WRONG Means,Have no Idea what PROTECT and SERVE Means, Have no Idea what their OATH Means. TODAY we Have GOVT CONFORMING POLICEMEN.
When I was young i was taught that when you pinned on that Badge Or Star that you were going to take risks. I was also taught that it was Illegal for you NOT to respond to a Crime in Progress, Today to much time is spent on waiting for 5-10 backups, Man these Boys sure could not Hack it in my day. TODAY more things are based on Police survival and LESS on the Protection of CITIZENS and Their PROPERTY, When i was Young WE had to DO EVERYTHING. Today 90% of our Policemen are Paperwriters and Revenue Agents.

Well, actually in this case no such occurred.

Rob

Not sure, let me check with Luke and I will get back to you.

To clarify…..the law you are referring to,is one that gives the police the right to enter your house if a”domestic disturbance”call is made from your address.It gives them the right to confiscate all firearms in the domicile,and on the property.Of course they have to assume the burden of proof that the call came from where they claim it originated,in a court of law.

This situation happened to me.
A female deputy from the county sherrifs department knocked at my door.
They were lookng for someone who had called 911 repoorting domestic abuse.The caller was a woman(who was a very dear friends daughter) who used to stay with my family.We tried to help her as is our christian duty,but she drinks and likes to party with abusive men.
So I eventually had to ask her to leave.
Anyhow,the female deputy was at the door asking what I knew of this woman.
I told her Basically what I typed above,that she had stayed with us but she was no longer living here.She asked me if I had the callers cell number,and I went to retrieve my phone in an adjacent room.The female deputy was gone when I returned to the front door,and she had gone to her squad car,so I went out and began to give her the number I had for the woman she was inquiring about.We exchanged pleasantries and I gave her the number I had,but since it was not the number she was looking for,she began to interrogate me as if I was a suspect.
I told her I had not seen the woman in question for several months,and that my son and I were the only ones present at the home at that time.She(the female deputy)said that she was intending to search the premises.I stood in front of the squad car,knowing that it has a camera,and with my hands in the air,I stated plainly but audibly that I did not give her permission to search my premises.
She(the deputy)told me that she had the right under a domestic abuse call to search my property,to which I firmly replied,”I respectfully disagree with your statement and Ireiterate that I do not give you permission to search my property.”She then exited the vehicle,and began to walk up my driveway,I went alongside keeping my hands in plain sight.Another deputy had pulled up(male deputy)and suddenly appeared in my view,asking what was occuring.I respectfully declined the female deputies advances to search my property a third time.My son stood and watched the drama unfold from my front porch.The male deputy called the female back and they both reteated to the side of his squad car.She made an utterence,he shook his head no.She made another,with the same results and even a third,nad he shook his head no to both and told her to go to her car.He summoned me to his side and said that the call had originated downtown,and not from my address.He stated that there would be no search,and that I should have a nice day.
She(female deputy)drove away,and the(male deputy)then turned to me and said,”Way to stand up for your fourth amendment rights sir.”and he got in his squad car and left.

Know your rights under the Constitution.
Exercise them freely.
Do not take them lightly,or expect those who are supposed to be protecting you to exercise them for you.Often in order to keep from being violated,you must take precautionary actions,none of which involve use of firearms.Understand that there are often cameras recording your actions,as well as those of law enforcement officials,and never let them have access to your person or property without your permission.Giving them your permission,conversely,gives them the right to do as they please with you and your properrty.
Just dont give them permission,and recognize that you are being recorded.Do not resist if the try to detain you,as that is a felonious act.Offer no resistance,but firmly state that they have no permission to search you or your property.
As long as there is no incriminationg objects which can be construed as evidence,left in plain sight,either in your vehicle or residence,they have to obtain a writ to search you or your property unless you are suspected of committing a crime.
Never give them permission to search you,or say anything except that youm refuse their advances to do so.Always speak softly but audibly,and keep your hands in sight of the officials.Offer no resistance if they attempt to detain or arrest you,but let the evidence bear itself in a court of law,and you are well advised to speak to an attorney,and have both depositions of the arresting officers,and video/audio evidence,as well as eyewitness accounts to bear your side of the issue.Dont give them a reason to kick your door in,when they knock,let them in and let them ransack,then file suit.
You win they lose that way.
Cheers!
-CC.

Mark, this very article PROVES THAT THE OFFICERS DID NOT COME “AS AN EXECUTION SQUAD, SHOOTING FIRST AND ASKING QUESTIONS LATER.”" Who was executed” Who died?
Hundreds of raid are done each day without mistakes! This was a mistake! What evidence is there that this squad said “let’s go saw down a door and hassle a mother and her child” If a meth lab had exploded next door and killed the mother and child you same bunch of misfits would have been screaming about why the drug people had not taken it out before.DO YOU KIND OF GUYS DO IT RIGHT every time??? REALLY???? EVERY TIME???? YEAH, RIGHT!!

If some recreational drugs were legal there wouldn’t be much of an “anytime.”

The drugs are an EXCUSE to oppress part of our population.

Rob

Explain it!

Where was the warrant? Increasingly, these types of break ins are becoming more common. Again, the War on Drugs is the excuse.

Roll you one up and smoke it……..

Hey APN, do you approve of more blacks and latinos going to jail for pot than whites?

“It’s not just that these mass arrests cripple black and Latino communities. Blacks are not more likely than whites, and in fact as of 1994 were less likely than whites to be past or current users of drugs. A more recent 2009 study from the Department of Health and Human Services pins drug use among black, white, Latino and Native American communities around a very close range, all are around seven to 10 percent. And yet the disparities in arrests are vast.”

That’s from: http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/02/report_blacks_and_latinos_are_86_of_2010_nyc_arrests_for_pot_possession.html

Rob

….and your point is? What does color have to do with anything? Regardless of color, race, etc, anybody that would smoke pot is a “Dope”. Never met one in my life that did smoke dope that amounted to a hill of beans. I think that is the reason it is called “Dope”, correct? Or can you connect the two dots for me?

David Koresh said that too.

No, he actually didn’t. Because if he had, there would have been a HELL OF A LOT OF DEAD AFT ASSES. But if you watch the videos, he let them go. THEY RETREATED and then came back in force. If I would have been him the tanks would have been driving over lots of dead ATF corpses. Eat me CIA.

DAVID KORESH WAS A DERANGED JESUS FREAK WITH A LOT OT CHILDREN IN HIS “CARE’ When it comes to saving the lives of innocent children it is time to stick all 10 Bill of Rights up your A$$! BTW, if the CIA wants to “EAT YOU”, YOU ARE DOG MEAT!!!

Hey Mark you posted: “But if you watch the videos, he let them go.”

What videos?

Rob

Robert, there is one and possibly more documentaries about Waco. I saw one that was produced by a British group that showed much that was never shown on American news.

Is there a link so others can see those videos?

Rob

Unfortunately no I do not have a link. I saw it several years ago on IFC.

Try searching for “Waco Rules of engagement” that might be the title.

ROFL… The left doesn’t like Michael Moore. I have no clue why you like this guy… Ohhhh, I get it! He agrees with your pre-concieved notions.

Let’s look at some of his other works: “Early documentary projects include the 5-part Lessons in Technical Remote Viewing, produced in 1998 for self-proclaimed “PsySpy” and former Army Intelligence maverick Major Ed Dames.”

Another: “Prior to that, his The Natural Solutions, produced with Susan Stafford for PBS broadcast in 1993, impacted then-pending legislation attempting to limit public access to vitamins and health food supplements.”

Yup, looks to me like this guy starts out with a point of view and then builds around that.

NOT what I call a credible film maker.

Judge for yourself. The entire video is available at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmOBNnz9Wms

Rob

RIGHT ON!

You hit the nail in the head. You know the important part of “voting” is not the votes anymore is the counting. This a corrupt government full of big time Liers and Cheaters period. We are cooked.

I agree Mary.

This country will see absolute destruction before it’s all said and done.

I’m afraid the masses are to fat, dumb and lazy to stop it. Like sheep awaiting the slaughter.

If you do not own a gun and know how to use one, better get one and learn quickly. After that, network with as many patriots as you possibly can and have some backup beans and water stored away for that rainy day.

My rights come from GOD, not men, and I have no intention of living as any man’s servant, never have and never will. I also have no intention of leaving my home by force. I choose to DIE RIGHT HERE, if necessary.

Absolutely–why would anyone in their honest and right mind not want Voter ID –it does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out-
HE (Pres)got in there the 1st time with thug politics and what would change it this time—we Americans -true Americans that are not just here for the free lunch-dinner-medicare-welfare to the max —they certainly are here to stay to continue to collect- the only smart ones would fight this injustices and fraud and corrupt to the core government—WE need to stand up for our country–get involved with tea parties etc… and get involved before we have Natzi Holocaust because then my dear fellow Americans it will be TOO LATE!!!LM

I want paper ballots that local people can stack up and count! Unfortunately, ID cards are easy to fake, and when ID information is stored on computers it becomes that much easier for evildoers to steal. There’s no high-tech substitute for voting regularly and knowing the election judges in your district personally.

gm says: “Don’t care what party you are you know what is wrong and war against marriage, family,…”

Yup, Newt and his divorces, Rush and his…

How does a same sex couple offend “marriage” more than those nuts?

Rob

They are not my candidate. Ron Paul is. Now be a god boy and make up some MSM tripe to try and slander him. Go for it and make an utter fool out of yourself. BTW, you can keep Knewt and Rush as well. Most of us on this board ready and study other sources than the MSM spew.

Let’s use Ron Paul’s own words: “In his newest book, Liberty Defined, Paul’s chapter on “Marriage” states, “In a free society…all voluntary and consensual agreements would be recognized.” He adds, “There should essentially be no limits to the voluntary definition of marriage.”

So, even though YOU might not to marry someone of your own sex how does anyone else actually impace you or your kin? Is your kid gonna marry the German Sheppard next door? If so, I’d say that kid is so screwed up no law on the planet is going to straighten that kid out.

So, please be specific: How does same sex errage diminish marriage in any way? I hear they are EXACTLY the same as any other couple. I don’t know what goes on behind closed doors so that makes no difference to me. I don’t ask my straight friends what they do either. Do you ask your straight friends what they do behind closed doors?

So, how is marriage devalued?

Rob

Because marriage is HOLY MATRIMONY, you moron.

Actually APN you are wrong.

Marriage is a CIVIL contract. Even atheists can get married in America.

So, care to answer the question? I’ll phrase it a different way: Same sex marriage is legal in several states. How has your life changed in any way since it has become legal in those states? Please be specific.

Rob

Actually Rob, you are wrong. Just because some lawyer or man made Law calls it a “Civil Union” makes no difference to me whatsoever. Marriage is HOLY Matrimony between a man and a woman. That comes from GODS law, not YOUR law.

A civil union can be whatever you and your lawyers want to call it but it has nothing to do with Holy Matrimony between a man and a woman. And yes, I have a major issue with same sex civil unions or marriage between a man and a billy goat, etc etc etc.

Given that fact that I am a Christian, why wouldn’t I have an issue with same sex civil unions?

You seem to get real confused with spiritual issues with your foolish earthly mindset. Seems to be a common trend in America.

Instead of talking about a 12ga, we all should pay more attention and vote the unscrupulous politicians out-Obama w/Hilary,Holder are trying to go back-door and pass a United Nations bill against guns ownership in US- That trashes our Constitution and our sovereignty!

WRONG!!!!YOUR VOTE MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TODAY. THE ONLY WAY TO DEMILITARIZE THESE GESTAPO THUGS IS TO KILL THEM QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY. REMEMBER, THERE ARE 100 MILLION LICENSED HUNTERS IN THIS COUNTRY, WHICH MEANS AT LEAST 200 MILLION WEAPONS IN THE HANDS OF “WE THE PEOPLE”. STOP BEING GOATS AND START USING YOUR WEAPONS WHEN APPROPRIATE.

Just a sugestion. No collateral damage please.

And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand. The Organs (police) would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!
–Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Agent provacateur?

I totally agree gm with your comment to “vote them out”. The problem is that can’t be done simply because there is no one else to “vote in” except another Dem or Rep which is a continuation of the same old crap we have now. So who do I vote for to “vote them out”? I have been voting Libertarian ticket for 20 years, who have you been voting for?

There is someone to be voted in, persistently called “unelectable”,
He appears to be the best shot.

Watch the HBO Documentary…Hacking Democracy and then go ahead and “vote them out”. Yea, sure. The only way these clowns will be voted out is with REASON the 2nd amendment was put in the Constitution.

Posted: “I have been voting Libertarian ticket for 20 years, who have you been voting for?”

Does that include the libritarian Lyndon LaRouche? That jail bird along with Bob Barr really show just how messed up the Libritarian party is as they go for extremists.

Rob

From gm: “trying to go back-door and pass a United Nations bill against guns ownership in US- ”

Just how does that work? Nobody has explained that… It’s all screeming and yelling but no facts have been presented.

Please consider that I AM opposed to most gun control. I just wanna know how it works that the UN can get my guns.

Rob

It is called a treaty. I don’t have the name of the proposed treaty handy but it basicly calls for the registration of ALL privately owned firearms, the elimination of private ownership of certain classes of firearms, and rediculously strict restrictions on the rest.

It’s the UN global small arms treaty.There is a good link at http://www.nagr.org

Thanks Wil.

Did you mean “DEM”?

Dim, Dem, what’s the difference?

EITHER WAY…

Read the story again. What makes you think we need to wait for a future time before we become like Nazi Germany? Doesn’t this sound just like the Gestapo?
We’re there.

Agreed – The Republic is dead. We let it die. The managers we elect to serve us, actually rule us. They will not willingly give up this perceived power.

The question is – do we want to put in the work to revive our Republic?

YES we do, Ron Paul is our first step

It appears we already have.

Holder was on staff with Clinton during WACO and Ruby Ridge.

Koresh was a pedophile and violated several firearms laws.

Rob

And you know that how? Because the feds told you? There has never been ONE speck of evidence presented to show he broke any gun laws.

Buster…

There was enough to warrant an investigation which is what STARTED the mess. That was LEGAL and Koresh and his cronies shot back with .50 cal. and fully automatic they weren’t supposed to have.

From [and note that Bush was considering anigun legislation): http://www.deseretnews.com/article/286914/KORESH-DUCKED-GUN-LAWS-BY-JUST-BUYING-THE-PARTS.html

“Koresh took advantage of these features in the 1968 firearms statute to buy hundreds of gun parts, ammunition and explosives from dealers who shipped the items to his Waco, Texas, compound by United Parcel Service, according to affidavits by federal agents unsealed in court this week.

Bush administration officials discussed closing what a number of federal officials regarded as loopholes in the firearms law in a 1989 review of possible gun-control legislation. The idea was dropped.”

Rob

BTW, Buster, I’ll note you didn’t deny the pedophelia charges.

Check out: “There was an uneasy silence in the congressional chamber as Kiri began to talk of her first sexual encounter with the cult leader at a motel in Waco when she was 10.

He asked her to sit beside him on a bed. “He kissed me. I just sat there, but he then laid me down,” she said. After committing a sex act, he instructed her to take a shower and then read from the Bible. Close to tears, Kiri said: “He sat on the bed and read the Song of Solomon.”

That’s from congretional testimony. You can find the article at: http://www.rickross.com/reference/waco/waco4.html

Koresh was a religious nut who was responsible for his post religious chrispy critters who died in the fire his henchmen accellerted with fuel and straw.

Yes, I’d rather believe our government than a bunch of religious nuts.

Rob

Or a southern boy like me that can clip the wing of a fly sitting on a fence post at 200 yards, and he won’t know it until he tries to fly off.

):>

Fancy shooting.

As fate would have it one day I was pulling targets at 200 yards. All the rounds shot were in the X ring. We were communicating by Ham radio. That’s impressive by itself but when he asked, “What’s the O’clock?” I was impressed. Your milage may vary.

Rob

Dat’s right….):>

r, once again it seems that basic math and facts are beyond your collective grasp. The fact was Sputnik. The date was October of 1957 [twenty five years ago?]. And you forgot to mention that your education was “first-class.”
If it would make a difference, I’d ask which one of our “57 states” tried to educate you – and failed, obviously.

oooooooohhhhhh, it must be nice to be so smart and I bet he never makes mistakes either! What a great model!

Hey s c… What’s Sputnik got to do with schools? I can’t see your connection.

BTW, I watched a lot of heroic Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo launches in school. My father even made sure I saw Echo live from our front yard and I made sure my son watched the space station we can’t get to with our own transportation anymore.

Rob

Thanks to King Obama.

Actually the Shuttle was killed by Bush.

And, he didn’t allow enough NASA budget to build a replacement. He waS “stimulating” private development.

The fact is that private industry didn’t have enough confidence until Obama came along.

Rob

The Feds started messing with education over 57 years ago. The Warren court’s Brown vs. Board of Education decision was rendered on May 17, 1954.

Vigilant, I was in high school in a small southern textile town with a “white” high school and a “separate but equal” black high school which I visited frequently to visit friends back just before the Brown decision. That black school was anything but ‘equal”! They had no visual aids, no science equipment and no indoor physical education facilities among other things. I have no doubt that the same situation existed across my state! Brown was a 9-0 decision by a Supreme Court headed by a Chief Justice appointed by a Republican President and was one of the great decision of our time>>

I remember that! “Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, 347 U.S. 483 (1954),[1] was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court that declared state laws establishing separate public schools for black and white students unconstitutional.”

That’s from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education

BTW, do you agree with Dick Nixon that abortion should be available for black and white kids? Obama could have been aborted under Nixon’s rules!

Would you deny blacks and whites to marry each other? I’ll bet most anything you don’t think same sex couples should marry.

I think it’s sad such hate is still in America. To blame intigration for the failures of no child left behind and creationism.

Rob

Your not very bright are you Robert. The mind of two little -
Boys playing with each other is pure weakness and higher
stupidity. The commandments were set to protect idots like
yourself who thinks playing with your Nephew is funny.
Ignorance like that is condemed to Sheol/Hell Robert;
in which is as real as the air you breath. The commandments are
guidance of truth. Hating a Thing is different from Hating
a person of decree, race and ethnics. So do you know the difference?

Wow Graudian… I’ll bet you would really go nuts if it was a black boy and a white boy!

But, that isn’t often the case that shows up in court. It’s most often being proven in court that it’s the christian priest who is dealing with boys.

And! Do you know that there are pedophiles in other places? The difference between them and the christian priests abusing kids is that pedophiles are generally reported and harshly dealt with. The priests who have been caught were simply transfered to anther parish where they could start all over. IOW, one is individuals who are dealth with and the christian ones are INSTITUTIONAL where their very culture was to allow it. (I say “was” because I’m optimistic that changes have been made).

Rob

Rob

You are right. Drugs is government big business and the excuse to deprivate us of our liberty. Is corruption sky high.

Legalize some recreational drugs to the same degree as alcohol. Whatch the crime drop.

It works the same way as decreasing gun control. The bad guys know it just isn’t worth it anymore.

Why can’t folks understand it just isn’t THEIR personal freedoms that they want but that they should be going for EVERYONE’s freedoms.

Rob

Legalizing drugs is not the answer. The answer lies in controlling one’s appetite. Drugs are illegal. Citizens need to understand that simple concept. IF IT IS ILLEGAL, DON’T USE IT. Step up and accept responsibility for your acts. Stop trying to shift the blame to someone else.

Posted: “Legalizing drugs is not the answer. The answer lies in controlling one’s appetite. Drugs are illegal. Citizens need to understand that simple concept. ”

End prohibition. All we got out of alcohol prohibition was organized crime.

Illegal? Simple. Restore freedom in America and remove the prohibition.

Rob

I agree! The Federal government and probably a lot of scrupulous congressmen/women are involved in the drug trade. How do so many of them or their families become multi-millionares once they get into public office?

It’s called legalized insider trading. Congresspersons, Senators and their staffs are exempt from the insider trading laws that put the rest of us in prison.

Read Drugging America by Rodney Stich. Retaliation is what decent people get for doing their job. This is third world country undrground and the media ZIP ZIP…

Their regular salaries, plus income for any speaking, writing, or teaching they may do, add up fast. And they didn’t get elected without having plenty of money in the beginning.

luckiky instead she should be financially set for life after her lawsuit

I doubt that.

Unfortunately, any settlement she gets will be paid by “We the Taxpayers”. Any damages she receives should be paid personally by the “Public Servants” who botched the operation.

I wonder if she’ll still vote for Obama.

The “agents” should be PERSONALLY responsible for screw-ups like this. Until there is some consequence for sloppy work it will just keep getting worse

It’s not exclusively Obama U.A., it’s the total corruption of government and federal law and this started way before you’re favorite ‘scape goat. That he’s not doing anything to reverse the corruption is a shame, but he’s not the exclusive instigator nor will it cease when he get’s out of office (except for a very aggressive attempt by Ron Paul if he becomes chief executive).

Ann laments: “That he’s not doing anything to reverse the corruption is a shame,…”

Absolutely true. He should have prosicuted Bush and Chaney for lying to get us into a war and torturing people.

Rob

Well sure she did and will again……

Not sure what Obama has to do with this raid? The Police Chief should be fired or whoever ordered this raid. We’ve had operations here in Denver like that and it costs the city millions in lawsuits.The police seem to have their own little fiefdom. Although Judi Sanchez would be dead she had every right to shoot those bastards at her door!

For once Eddie, I agree with your ending comment.

It was obama’s FBI that did the raid according to the article.

Obama proably gave them the address. It was wrong. Another one of his many (hundreds) mistakes.

I can post something silly and worthless too.

Watch: I’ll bet Bush set up the raid and they forgot it until now. No wonder they got it wrong. Bush didn’t get anything right while he was in office.

See how it works?

Rob

The war on drugs keeps the prices up the profits go to wall street the lobbests go to washington the war on drugs goes on

I listened to Ron Paul talk about the “War on Drugs,” more than 20 years ago, which he characterized as a war on liberty. There has been tens of billions of dollars of tax money spent on this fiasco, and I haven’t seen any evidence there is less drugs coming into the country, or less drug use. This nonsense should have stopped decades ago, before insanity swept the country. When I went to high school in the early fifties, I didn’t even know what drugs were. I’m convinced that there would have never been the drug use, if drugs hadn’t been made illegal, therefore profitable.

Is there anything government can do right. Machine guns were banned, when they were only being used by the mafia to kill each other. Was that a problem? Other than sweeping a room, fully auto. weapons are pretty useless, unless you like eating up a lot of ammo.

Schools stopped teaching the three Rs,I guess spelling on protest signs isn’t considered important.Actual education has been replaced by Agenda Indoctrination 101 and Alinsky’s rules for effective protesting.

Guess what!

Monday, Jan 30, was Saul Alinsky’s birthday! Happy 103rd to Saul !!!

To learn more about him check out: http://front.moveon.org/new-rules-with-bill-maher-who-the-f_ck-is-saul-alinsky/

I find it amazing that if the left worships a dead guy (BTW, I had no idea who Saul Alinsky was until his name was brought up in this thread) the extreme right has a hissy fit.

But when the right brings up a dead guy from a couple of thousand years ago they have a hissy fit if any of their chapter and verse is challenged.

Why can’t the rules be the same?

Rob

Rob, the main reason is that Jesus Christ did advocate the overthrow of the government. Saul Alinsky did. There is a bg difference there. You need to read more.

My goof. I meant to say that Jesus Christ did not advocate the overthrow of the government.

But from what I can see there are a bunch around here who DO advocate overthrowing the current government of the United States of America.

Rob

Read the declaration of independence good honest citizens have a duty to overthrow a govt. that has become tyranical.By the way the difference between illegal and legal drugs is subjective. Your body does not know if it came from a street corner,a pharmacy on the corner or a overdose of caffiene in a energy drink or expresso.Most of the hard drugs in their natural form may be no more addictive than coffee but when synthesized by humans become deadly. Drugs don’t kill people , people kill people.

They still worship Che, and a lot of these fools are to young to have been alive, when he given his just deserts. I guess Marxist terrorist worship turns some of these people on.

concealed carry. get a gun, don’t open the door. shoot thru and use the highest energy gun yu can buy. then hope they try it again. i recommend armor piercing ammunition. then a few will “bite the bullett”if we protect ourselves this will stop. an armed society is a polite society. killed by home owner pro tecting her child.

Are you talking about full metal jacket ammo?????Good Idea

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.”
Thomas Jefferson

That didn’t work too well for the ex-Marine in ?Tucson? recently. Not knowing who was crashing through his door, he grabbed a pistol and attempted to defend himself and his family. They burned him down with about 20 rounds through his body before he got off a shot and justified the killing by saying that he was armed and a deadly threat to them. Of course, breaking down his door by half a dozen fully armed men with body armor didn’t constitute a deadly threat to him, I suppose, but now he lies in his grave and his wife and little girl have to go on without him– all thanks to an overly zealous S.W.A.T. team which had no respect for the man’s home and no regard for his rights to peaceably enjoy it, free from intrusion and unreasonable invasion.

Home boy, explain it to people like ‘r s.’ Good luck with that, as it’s almost impossible to get any info into a head that’s filled with hardened concrete. He also has a bad case of Obummerisgoditis. I wish you luck.

Remember, a 7 year old child was immolated by a flash grenade fired into the wrong apartment in Detroit. She was sleeping on the couch when the Gestapo went on a drug raid with automatic weapons and incendiary devices! And, AZ Sheriff Bart Stupak got away with firing 70+ shots from a submachine gun, killing a Marine in an early morning, and was able to slander him and his family. His boys took 20′ to respond to Gabrielle Giffords’ shooting, and it was a group of buystanders that subdued Loughner!

According to a recent Indiana court ruling, you do NOT have a right to resist if law enforcement “mistakenly” invades your home. And I guarantee that if you shoot at the heavily armored gestapo, YOUR grey matter and collagen will become part of the furniture–AND YOUR LITTLE DOG TOO!!!

Do not expect ONE protest from either registered Dems or Repubes, or the soccer moms. No one outside of your family and friends will attend your funeral. No one will shut down city blocks for your funeral. No city or state officials will act as pall bearers! And folks will read it and turn to the coverage of the Super Bowl or X-Factor.

And the empty skirts on the news will report that “Police shot and killed a heavily armed (wo)man in a drug raid. When the dog attacked the officers, police were forced to kill the animal. Officers found an arsenal of weapons, and say that the assailant had ties to extremist groups.”

From vincent: “Remember, a 7 year old child was immolated by a flash grenade fired into the wrong apartment in Detroit.”

Michael Jackson and Richere Pryor started a fund because they both caught fire. It’s called “The Ignited Negro Immolation Fund.” Their motto is: A mind is a terrable thing to baist, or is that baste…

Rob

Did you get your second comment pre-blessed by a pc, utopian priest? In case it got past you, r, the kind of remark you just made would set off utopian racist remark alerts all over America if a conservative said it. So how the frick do YOU get a free pass, comrade? Smells like pure, stinking, 100% utopian hypocrisy to me.

s c, I have more fun with this than you realize. Your ignorance has shown again just how much you are willing just to take off on another simply because thier position is different from yours. Thank you for such a fine example.

Now, if I may educate you a bit, from http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/baist:

“Verb
baist (present participle baisteadh)
1.baptise, christen

So, I was totally politically incorrect. Far beyond whatever you were claimin. It’s called satire.

And now back to your regular channeling of hate and bile.

Rob

I have no problem mixing my gray matter with theirs.,,,ain’t skeered.

How christian of you, APN.

Rob

Absolutely! Any MAN that would allow forced entry into his home without a fight IS NOT A CHRISTIAN, my friend. Maybe you should go back an study GOD’S word again.

Is that the same god that killed all those first born?

Is that the same god that killed everyone except Noah and his kin?

Blew up acouple of cities and then allowed Lott to have sex with his own daughters?

No thanks. Besides, I can’t get into that transsubstanciation. According to the myth it really IS the body and blood, or it s ritualized canabalism. I just can’t get into that. Thanks for the invite, but that’s your perversion, not mine. I muxh prefer SousVide or sushi.

Rob

Robbie, Your issue with GOD doesn’t concern me nor does your silly little progressive comments scare me whatsoever. i.e.; Foolish people say foolish things and live foolish lives only to find themselves in front of GOD THE FATHER without an advocate to defend them…i.e.; Jesus Christ.

Better rethink your hatred for GOD. It’s a loosing proposition, and that is one statement that I can most assure you of. Leaving this planet without having a relationship with GOD is a scary thought and facing GOD is as sure as death itself, inescapable my friend.

Go spew your hatred to someone who cares what you think about GOD, I don’t. I have long since dusted my feet off from people like you. Total waste of time and effort on Nimrods like yourself.

ABSOLUTELY! If you don’t, YOU die.

Sounds shifty to me.

Rob

For s c who just doesn’t seem to get it: http://www.hurst-shifters.com/

Rob

Well sure! This is how this GOD hating Marxist government of ours works, correct?

If is seems right, or makes you “Feel” good, well, it must be right!

From APN: “If is seems right, or makes you “Feel” good, well, it must be right!”

Well… All those christian priests who are celibate… Isn’t that the ultimate perversion in a religion that says, “go forth and multiply?”

As Noah kept saying to the rabbits, “Only two, only two.”

Rob

You ever considered getting yourself some help, Robert?

Question asked: “So my question why are Police officers allowed to break down doors, hold guns on people and sometimes shoot and or beat people and arrest and lock up innocent people and there is no punishment.”

Sometimes it’s right and “innocent” people aren’t involved. I never understood why the extreme right didn’t respect PARENTAL RIGHTS in the case of getting Elián González back to his father.

Rob