not true

smilee:

If that was true, we wouldn’t have the Oblamacare Program. Nor would we have gotten the “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” repealed. Or many other similar programs. In fact, I don’t remember a single case of filibuster although there were some threats of it.

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From July 09 until Jan 10 the democrats had 60 votes in the senate and that is when the Affordable Care act was passed. A six month window when the republicans could not stop it with a filibuster. Credit Senator Frankin for that as if had lost in MN in the recount that took until July this would not have become law. Remember it was passed on Christmas eve 2009. 70 bills out of 7000 in 2011 became law and that sure gives credibility to a do nothing congress it is really not disputable.

I think there was 73% filibustered, many votes were taken and fell short of the 60 required, I guess your memory is either missing or you rally have not been paying attention.

pull it out Smilee . . . get a breath of fresh air!!!
Congress last year passed over 26 bills that never made is past the dinasaur Reid in the Senate . . . the O and his gang of theives has not passed a BUDGET IN OVER 1000 DAYS . . . unprecidented in US history. Is it incompetence, stupidity or does the O have an agenda?
What’s your excuse?

SO, there was a lot more than that which got to the floor that the GOP filibustered. NO Budget, true there is no year long budget, the president proposed one as required by law but congress never brought one back to his desk except in increments, technically there is a budget as all expenditures require an appropriations bill to keep the government functioning and those have been passed so in effect there is a budget. Congress failed and with one house in each party I guess then there is a pox on both parties. But the government has not yet been shut down so they have appropriated money so in effect there is a budget not just one for the whole year and that is the fault of both parties within the congress.

Republican obstructionism for starters!

Gives me an idea. Hmmmm….POP there it goes, POP – People’s Obstructionist Party. If we could get enough people elected to congress we could side with either republicans or democrats to obstruct any new laws from passing…I like it!

smilee, the Constitution was put in place originally to protect We The People and to provide an Enviroment where Capitalism could flourish!__Now Crony Capitalism, buys people, Politics and legislation and has infiltrated and corrupted absolutely!!
Churches and ordinary citizens used to care for the sick and the down trodden, as the tax burder grew, the less money was left in our pockets to tithe, and the GUV sailed in and saved the day with entitlements or should I say a new round of Democrat voting base!
Bam Bam is just another in a lonnng line of puppets!
Don’t bother replying, I had my say!

Angel Wannabe…Mainly, the Constitution provides the framework for our republican form of government. It confers specific authority to each of the branches of government and to the several states. And it provides for certain protections of civil rights that no majority can abridge or abrogate.

The power and limitations of the president are clearly defined under Article II, Section 1,2,3,4.

This is the largest frivolous lawsuits in American history and after so many years it has not gotten any real traction and not very likely to. Until and unless the SC hears it then it has no chance of succeeding unless someone can convince the SC to hear it which to date all attempts have failed and no lower court has ruled on it as yet or no trial has occurred and all attempts to date have failed in this and most likely will continue to. WHAT A JOKE!!

Somewhere i saw a list of the number of lawsuits, the amounts in $$ ordered to pay for filing frivilous lawsuits, the number of bar reprimands against attorneys filing those lawsuits, and the various claims of the lawsuits.

It’s amazing the extent the Right goes to excite people and then use it to garner money.

You girls don’t get it. This is a new effort to keep the kenyan (yes, small case)from repeating his POTUS trick a second time. This time he must put up (prove his citizenship) or hopefully shut up (go away). Good night and have a pleasant existence.

DONATE NOW so we can VOTE RON PAUL 2012!!!

Well, Flash-o-man-o, if you saw a list “somewhere” then why don’t you go back to that “somewhere” and recover that list and post it to back up what you say. Isn’t it honorable to back up what you say with FACTS to support it? Then again, “being honorable” is obviously one personal trait that you have yet achieved. Oh yes, I know, it’s to much trouble. You can never question you own beliefs and career of idiocy. Why? Yet instead you honestly wonder why the most of us view you as a very well indoctrinated spook with credibility truly lacking, if any at all. The day you draw yourself out of the lovely quagmire that you relish to flounder about in, then, and only then, will you be considered someone that has something to say that may very well be worthwhile. Until then, forget it!

Clarence . . . lieberals love “facts” . . . their own facts, they just make them up as they go . . .

Reagan, 1964: “…there is no such thing as a left or right. There’s only an up or down: [up]…, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism.” . . . The USA today seems to be in “DOWN” mode under the guidance of the Amateur!!!

Here’s a nugget from Goebbel’s own throat – 30′s leftist/socialist -

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State “

Tall Ted,
You state that this web site is where “far right wing extremists”…….vent. Then you go on to sound reasonable about discussion of the events of the day without “insults & name calling”. Sounds an awful lot like to pot calling the kettle black.

I’m not, nor ever have been “far right”, and I have been insulted by you for your generalizations. If you feel you have something to say, then by all means, say it………AND PROVIDE source materials to prove it. Otherwise, sit down & shut up, because from what I’ve read of your postings, more of what you say is a thinly veiled insult, carefully glossed over with a barely disguised sneer.

ValDM, ditto that! I’d be guessing but there’s probably an underlying subconcious reason why he calls himself “Tall”.

His/her politically correct slip is showing.
But his/her feigned politesse,cannot make due when the gloves come off,and there is tension in the ranks.Oh well,so much for political directness……Current TV.
-CC.

So your claim is that Acting is not a business?
Just asking.
-CC.

CC – An actor is a private cpontractor who sells his services to someone who makes movies or presents plays. Before he was elected governor, the only people Reagan hired were his agent and any servants he had.

Since when is private contracting not a business?
Thats like saying that advisory commissions are not done through stuctured business.
If I am a private construction contractor,is that not a business?
Of course it is.
Same with acting.
So what is your point?

Everything Obama says IS a lie.

From Article II, Section 1:
“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States”.
The question is “what is a natural born citizen”? And what does it really matter? If a guy is destroying our country, does it really matter if he was born here or not?

This country was established as a Republic, Smilee, because our Founders were well-read and they knew that Democracies invariably ended up with the Majority trampling the rights of the Minority.
Our Founders were wise enough to know that the closer Government was to the citizens, the easier it was for the citizens to keep their Leaders in line. That, of course, is why Leaders and their Politically Connected Cronies prefer Gargantuan, Remote, Central Governments where it is much easier for them to get away with their shenanigans.

Nothing against the DULY elected unless by cheating or fabrications!

Our elected Presidents were never intended to have King-like stature, Gilly.

The office of the President maybe but to the president himself…an emphatic no! Obama reaps what he sows and deserves as much respect as he gives and he himself disrepects the position of the POTUS…

And he disrespects the main law of the land (The Constitution) as well as disrespecting the citizens’ Freedom.

One recent & perfect example…NDAA – The Feinstein Amendment 1031(e) – The language which precluded the application of Section 1031 to American citizens was in the bill that we originally approved…and the administration asked us to remove the language which says that U.S. citizens and lawful residents would not be subject to this section.

The Obama administration never had a problem with Section 1031 of the bill and indeed acted to ensure it applied to American citizens.

GR in Aust. ,,, Damm right he is being rude, but to get respect you have to show respect, not only that, but obammy lied every time he opened his mouth, so why don’t you mind your own business ?

I am minding my own business Don, and your rather rude to try to deny me my opinion in this forum. Its people like you who help to keep your voters in the dark ages. Your voters need to be encouraged to think for themselves and debate ideas from whatever source they may come from not be bullied into submission by the likes of you. Believe me its people like you who drive the fearful to voter for your opposition, without thinking about the better aspects of your favourite. You should be ashamed of yourself but i doubt whether you have any shame as a bully type.

JeffH made very clear distinction between the Office and the person, who occupies that office. Americans are law abiding citizens and of course they respect the Office. They also respect the person that occupies that Office on condition he fulfills his duties that chiefly stay in serving the People and the Country, not just certain segments of people he is interest in. As for coercion there are different kinds of coercion. Mental coercion, such as exertions by political groups, labor groups etc. not to mention propagandist indoctrination through mass media, untruthful words or promises. Physical coercions, such as posting black jacket thuds holding bats or some other unfriendly demeanor at polling stations. Then, various schemes of fraudulent votes, too many to mention. Gilly, they have made it a science, you know. You should come here and see it all.

Visiting America my grandfathers home of over 30 years early last century in California and Boston where I have other relatives is not on my priority list, although my sons University freinds from Australia this summer have only recently sent reports of having his shoes stolen by a coloured person in Pennsylvania last month.

Modern google technology permits me to look into your towns without taking the risks of all those mad men with guns …lol. I am tho very aware of the Australian political process and the power Rupert Murdoch exserts over the media having experienced it myself some years back, but when it comes to making judgments on what your current President has been doing since he took office…its nigh on impossible to know what extra information he has become aware of since he swear allegiance to your still great country, that we will never become aware of and the VAST responsibilities which he is now taken on to direct. I believe that many of you are being totally unfair to blame everything that happens in USA to OBAMA.

OBAMA does not hire or fire millions of Americans every year…its the millions of small and large businesses who do… yet politicians get all the blame or accolates for negative or positive job numbers.

As i said before the President has access to more information which he uses to guide his actions and many times he is unable to tell us the ‘real truth’ for a variety of national interest reasons. So lets carry on a debate without blaming the man. Play the game not the man..in my opinion will get better results in the longer term.

Did we really fight the war to win? This war still must be fought only it will be a lot worse. You might try reading your Bible. Also the whole world will be against Israel but of course they will win but 2/3 will be dead.

I really don’t know where you are coming from. You simply make your statements, based on what? Name the cities where people danced and celebrated and name the American generals you said there were more new enemies created. I can only recollect that most major countries’ head of states expressed concerns and sympathy. Of course, the old enemies would dance and laugh, and perhaps more of them exhibited disbelief US could be so savagely attacked.
Let me ask you one question and I know you would not (or would not dare to) answer on this board: Did you dance or celebrate or feel vindicated on 9/11 bombing? Be HONEST!

1941 Roosevelt, 1964 Johnson 1916 Wilson guess ? demos, what wars

Actually, ‘Nam was Eisenhower. The reference was since 1980. And are you suggesting WWI and WWII were initiated by the US?

For those who would like to better understand the US involvement in World War II:
http://mises.org/books/pearl_harbor_greaves.pdf

And this:
http://mises.org/books/whileyouslept.pdf

Flashy,
Bullcrap on blaming Ike for Vietnam. He had only a few hundred military advisors there, as did JFK. The gulf of Tonkin incident occured under LBJ’s watch, and then the bombing and napalming began. LBJ stated he would not be the president that let SE Asia go the way of China (so-called “domino theory”). He then escalated the war in Nam. The My Lai Massacre also occured on Johnson’s watch. Get your facts straight flashy. While you’re at it, remember Truman gave the go-ahead to nuke Japan, and was exalted to hear of how many deaths occured.

Actually, VietNam was Eisenhower. The reference was since 1980. And are you suggesting WWI and WWII were initiated by the US?

Flushy,
Actually, You are so wrong on so many levels, it’s mind-bending. The truth of the matter on Viet Nam is that it was Truman who sent ADVISORS to S. Viet Nam in 1954. Yes, Eisenhower DID send more ADVISORS & troops who did training. Then we had Kennedy who in even more troops to train. But where it gets really interesting is when LBJ pulled out ALL the stops by sending even MORE war fodder & Congress that interfered with the generals in charge, by telling them how to fight that war. You see, they were making HUGE profits off of this war & didn’t want it to end.

Care to enlighten us with any more of your brilliance? (sarcasm intended)

I didn’t know about Truman sending in military advisors to Vietnam. i had thought it was Ike. As to the rest, the article was about who initiated wars and armed conflicts since 1980. I tossed in Ike since someone had attributed it to LBJ…who, as you state, escalated that conflict into full fledged combat.

Obama has recently sent advisers to Central Africa,are you going to say that it was Bush’s fault 10 years from now?
Just asking.
-CC.

References Please, Flashman. You know you have no credibility on this board.

Various news media

O.K. what news media outlets? I never heard of what you’re talking about.

Must be right if the news media reported it in various ways…is that what you said or meant Falshy?

We all know that persons who are in journalism are 100% objective, don’t we? They have no politcal, religious, or philosophical beliefs of their own and their professor at college who is dependent on the state for his salary had no influence at all…right?

ABC has it on their website, as does MSNBC, as does Mediaite.

Took 10 seconds. I now realize a simple search is beyond your limited mental capabilities….You guys satisfied?

@Falshy,

I will say first of all that I am not a member of the GOP nor am I an apologist for them and their many anti-constitutional stances and unconstitutional laws they are responsible for passing. That said, you “forgot” to mention a few other items in the story. The main person you mention as a member of the “media” is in fact a radical environmentalist film maker named Joshua Fox who was the director of the anti-fracking film called “Gasland” He did not have press credentials to be taping the hearings at the Capitol according to USA Today and was charged with unlawful entry. He was released today at 3:00p.m.

article at http://content.usatoday/communities/ondeadline/index

It is quite likely that Mr. Fox did all of this for publicity for a upcoming sequel to his first film “Gasland” and he will be appearing on MSNBC tonight.

The report update says that ABC did not assign anyone to the hearings indicating the crew may have been impersonating an ABC crew. Try reading articles all the way to the bottom of the page and thinking about motives Falshy.

LOL…OK, you go withyour story that he “may” have been there to disrupt the hearings, even though there was never any indication of such. you can go with the view he was a “radical environmentalist’, even though that is not borne out by any facts other than subjective labeling, and you can go with any other accusation not borne by the facts.

Your choice. However, note it was ONLY the GOP members who objected to his presence. That he was there under normal ordinary circumstances, that it was a public hearing, and the usbject was on fracturing and testimony concerning the effects..environmental, social, economics.

ironic that y’all scream about speech and what is being suppressed….then laugh and minimize the very item you are suppressing. If there was nothing to hide, why was so much effort made to hide it?

Read other articles on it..and perhaps listen to his interviews. Also…I take it you would place Joe Scaraborough in a “liberal” label? For he called it no less a term than ‘disgusting” …

@ Falshy,

Snicker, hahaha, you always amuse me Falshy. Read what I wrote again. I did not say that he “may have been there to disrupt the hearings” those are either your words or words from the press. Read your own words “accusations without facts”.

As to your characterization of my being subjective…. I can only reply that I subjectively choose to be objective with the facts in play , If you can get past the influence of your meds, roll that one around in your gray matter for awhile.

Actually the Capitol Police objected to his presence because he did not have credentials as a member of the media. Notice again that ABC said they did NOT send a crew to the hearings.

Speech was not hindered, nor was the public right to know according to the press report the hearings were webcast online. The members of the committee were most likely taking their cue from Mr. Obama with the webcast in their attempt to be more transparent . What Mr. Fox did not like was not being able to get footage that he could portray in the manner he chose in his upcoming sequel to his first movie (my subjective interpretation of motives ).

LOL nothing was suppressed or hidden. It is all over the news media because that is what Mr. Fox wants for free publicity for his movie.

Who are y’all? Y’all callin us a y’all? Y’all are a y’all. Y’all ya.

Joe who? Your attempt to use a “authority figure” who has no authority, it fails. bzzzzzt

Testimony by who? Portrayed in which sound bites? From whose subjective perspective?

Flashy,
How do you manage to attribute the arrest of a trespasser to the GOP?

That is easy! The agenda of smearing whoever is against or suspicious of opposition to their agenda.

NC shows his ignorance, as usual.
Space exploration has been another of many Government boondoggles which could have been done much more efficiently by private enterprise if Government would just get out of the way:
http://reason.com/archives/2012/01/25/a-twinkle-of-hope

And Wayne Root is a Libertarian, NC, not a Right-Winger.
I’ll give you that Obama inherited a Problem, NC — the Leviathan Government. But his solution has been to Grow it ever larger. Not the correct solution for the average citizen.
You couldn’t even qualify to carry Wayne’s book bags, NC. And his bags would be full, unlike Flashman’s book bags.

The Dems in control of Congress during Bush’s last years were the one’s responsible for the economic disaster in 2007-08.

I respectfully object to all your three points:
1) How do you know Mr. Root is nothing but a talking head hired by what you called Right Wing. Just look at his curriculum vitae and you will discover he is a self-made businessman. He does have his own views and principles and his own life and political philosophy.
2) To know who to use to get things done is a good thing and quality befitting a chief executive. But the way to get it done and the goal to reach are even ore important. Wastes do not speak well for an executive. And hidden goals certainly can tarnish everything.

And here is my third point to NC’s argument:
3) The core of the situation does not lay in what Obama has inherited.
After all Obama sought the Presidency. He ought to know what he was getting into and he ought to know, before getting into it, if he was capable of shouldering the task. If he didn’t make the right assessment, he had no one to blame but his own inadequacy and ignorance, or perhaps his arrogance or his hidden agendas?
Frankly, I feel or believe many an American Voter gave their votes to him because they wanted to make it a “historic” event (the First Black President)! As far as the GOOD REASON goes, in such event RACE should have no place in it. Either one is QUALIFIED in all aspects required of a President, or he should not be given “a chance to try, like some of my color friends urged me. But what alarmed me, at least, is not only the lack of know-how but his agendas so clearly displayed and recognized by me but tinted in different colors in other voters’ eyes. As far as helping poor is concerned, Americans are perhaps the most generous people I have witnessed; but I dare to challenge anyone that those “perpetual poor” really deserve sympathy.
I don’t believe anyone likes parasites in their midst!

“DITTO”

Absolutely nailed it.

Bill,

Sorry that is a lie… 979B in new debt is attributed to policies Obama put forth. that includes the stimulus amnd the HC law. Policies George W Bush put in place accounted for 5T in new debt.

I know its tough for you right wing loons to understand that things on Fox news and right wing talk radio are false at times but this BS you state is the biggest whopper this side of “Obama is not a US Citizen”

Oh come on, Dave. You’re equivocating. Obama could have stopped any of those expenditures if he wanted. And can you cite references for your claims?
Here’s a site which shows that just the Stimulus Spending under Obama exceeded $3 Trillion:
http://stimuluspackagedetails.com/total.html

Come on yourself.

http://legalschnauzer.blogspot.com/2011/07/bush-vs-obama-on-spending-its-no.html

Look that polcies started by each. Obama could NOT stop both wars on a dime, The GOP held the unemployement benefiot for millions of people hostage so the Bush tax cuts could continue (here is a hint, the rich do not need or deserve those tax cuts, the tax rate under Reagan was bad? Yes or no? How did the rich do under reagan?)

Read and learn

Learn what, Dave? To be as ignorant as yourself?
Obama promised in Campaign Speeches to get out of Iraq in March of 2009. It didn’t happen, did it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WYTKj8pU5M
And don’t cite his recent withdrawal (2 years late) because that was compelled by the Iraqi Leaders who didn’t want us in their country any longer.

All one needs to do is look at the chart here to know, Dave, that your cited article is full of it:
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_spending_chart

Hey Dave

Unfortunately I do not see either party as advocating for the vast majority of Americans. BO is just another Communist/Corporatist slave labor exploiter, placed in his position to spout free trade propaganda and add more Americans to the unemployment line and Federal dependency, pushing wages down even more. Notice he just passed 3 more “free trade” agreements.

Here are some interesting discussions of “free trade” with Red China that you may want to watch. I find it incredible that the USA, the supposed leader of the free world, would employ/enrich the State Capitalistic Communist slavers in any way, shape or form.

Dave H, please watch these and then comment.

http://www.tradereform.org/2012/01/connecting-the-dots-on-trade/

Cleon knew what he was talking about:

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Communist

I don’t know. Hard to list the lies and whoppers from the Right. I’ve pretty much taken the view that if it’s cited by the GOP, the TP, or the American Taliban … it’s suspect. The wealthy are “job creators” and “we are patriots!” rank right up there as well.

Lest we not forget the various claims attributed to “Founding Fathers” (which requires an assumption that the hundreds in that category all thought alike), or claims some act or policy is “unconstitutional’ (despite numerous court rulings to the contrary), etc etc

Flashy,
Yup, like if it is submittede as a bill it will be on CNN!! Oh wait, that was Abummer. If i don’t turn the budget around in three years, I will be a one term president and rightfully so! Wait that was Abummer too! I will close gitmo my first year in office! Nope that was Abummer as well. Well for sure this, I will have us out of iraq within a year! Once again Abummer! Darn, I guess there are quite a few whoppers told by your hero out there, as well!!!

Well Freedom,

Glad you understand the United States is not a dictatorship. If you understand that so well then why do you blame Obama for the economy?

What exactly has Obama done to warrant the worst president in history?

Did a major attack happen on his watch?
Did he use that attack to invade and occupy a country that had nothing to do with the attack?
Did he engage in two wars and give out tax cuts while increased spending?
Did he fumble the fed response a disaster badly (Katrina)?
Did his branch out a CIA agent?
Did he come up with the Patriot Act?
Did he expand the Fed Gov?

Nope… that was Bush but you are completely brainwashed by the right wing loon media.

Semper Fi

Dave says “Did he [Obama] use that attack to invade and occupy a country that had nothing to do with the attack?”.
No, Dave, he attacked Libya, Unconstitutionally, and without any provocation whatsoever.
Dave says “Did he engage in two wars and give out tax cuts while increased spending?”.
No, Dave, he engaged in three wars and gave out stimulus packages to Crony Capitalists which the taxpayers are now on the hook for.
Dave says “Did he come up with the Patriot Act?”.
No, Dave, but he also didn’t let it expire, did he?
Dave says “Did he expand the Fed Gov?”.
Surely that was a joke, Dave? Maybe it wasn’t, you being an Ignorant Liberal.

DaveH,

The one area that Obama lost jobs was the Gov sector. He has shed jobs there…

You are correct Obama continued the Patriot Act, Gitmo is still open but the reality is… Your side CREATED BOTH!!!

Now on to Libya. You are correct, Obama did not do the right thing as far as consulting Congress. He deserves flak for that. But lets compare. Iraq vs Libya.

Iraq has cost this country 1.7T to date, 3T when its all said annd done (VA HC, reconstruction etc) and over 5000 Americans dead and 30000 permantently indured for what again???

Libya has cost this country 1B and ZERO American lives.

It is the difference between the conservative way of doing things and the smart way.

Dave,
When one talks about the size of Government, one talks about their total spending, regulations, etc.
Obama has certainly not Shrunk Government.

And “my side” (the Libertarian side) had nothing to do with the Patriot Act.

And there is NO comparing Libya, Dave, only a Liberal Mind can justify an Unconstitutional murderous excursion into Libya which attacked us in no way.

By the way, if you had any brains at all, Dave, you’d remember that I don’t support any of the military excursions.

A question;

“he attacked Libya, Unconstitutionally, and without any provocation whatsoever”

Ummm…so you take the position Muammar Qadaffy wasn’t a threat to the US? That Lockerbie, the german nightclub bombings killing American Servicement, and the numerous KNOWN fiundings of terrorist attacks mean diddly squat in realtion to our safety? And President Obama’s assistance under alliance treaty with NATO is a bad thing?

Interesting you are such an advocate of Muammar, and what he stood for and symbolized…

I take the position, Flashman, that Libya was NOT a threat to the United States at the time Obama attacked, and more importantly they had in no way attacked the United States:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution
“the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or in case of “a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces”.

1. No President, including Reagan, ever recognized the war Powers Act as being valid.
2. So Muammar wasn’t a danger to the US eh? So what would you need to have him as a danger? Another Lockerbie? Another seies of nightclub bombings killing scores of US servicemen and women? That’s like saying bin Laden wasn’t a danger to us after 9/11 …. jeesh.

Dave,
What about the jobs lost to the construction trades with the loss of the pipeline? What about all the jobs lost in the alternate energy corps that got almost a billion dollars of taxpayer money then went bankrupt??

Semper Fi in your post — loyal to what?

Laus Deo — Praise be to God
Semper Fi– Allways loyal

basic translation, since this is pointed in my direction as a sub-message within a message, a weak attack by a weak mind and soul, consumed with self loathing and hate, I pity a man without god and loath servants of the enemy.

I have read the book, it ends badly for Lucys and Tares.

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

Loyal to the United States…

Which is more than I can say for anyone who voted for NAFTA (a GOP idea) or any free trade agreement with a country that pays their people pennies on the dollar, allows any foriegn national company or country to have a say in US politics and policy or voted for the BS war in Iraq.

What are you loyal to? Hmmm? The idea the invasion and occupation of Iraq was done to protect our freedom? Are you that much of a sheep?

Dave,
I believe Nafta was brought up during CLINTOONS reign!!

IGNORANCE? HERE IS SAMPLE

Clinton to Bush to Obama
Who Dug the Deep Hole? Who Fumbled the ball?
Numbers rounded

Clinton left Bush an 1800B Budget
Bush Left Obama a 3500 Budget

Clinton left Bush a 240B Surplus as far as the eye can see
Bush left Obama a 1400B Deficit as far as the eye can see

Clinton left Bush 5,700B of Debt
Bush left Obama 11,800B of Debt

Clinton left Bush a 237,000 net new jobs created per month
Bush left Obama a 31,000 lowest number since Hoover.

Clinton left Bush 17 Million Manufacturing Jobs
Bush left Obama 11 Million Manufacturing Jobs

Clinton left Bush a 10,800 Dow
Bush left Obama an 8028 Dow

Clinton left Bush Peace on Earth Good Will From Most Men
Bush left Obama Hell on Earth Two disastrous wars. Enmity of 1500 Million Muslims

Clinton left Bush a President most highly rated of any peacetime President in Asia, Africa, Europe.
Bush left Obama the most hated President in history
Bush left Obama an Housing Tsunami and Financial Volcano
Bush left Obama, in 2008, an 8500B Bail out commitment Yes! 8500 not just 700
Bush left Obama his Takeover of Fannie/Freddie, AIG, and first bailout of Chrysler
Bush increased maximum loan by Fannie/Freddie from $300,000 to $729,000
Bush increased FDIC maximum deposit coverage from $100,000 to $250,000
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I’m only going to address one thing here because I usually quit reading a person’s comment after one detected falsehood.
Clarence says “Clinton left Bush 5,700B of Debt
Bush left Obama 11,800B of Debt”.

From Politifact:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jan/22/rahm-emanuel/5-trillion-added-national-debt-under-bush/
“When Bush took office, the national debt was $5.73 trillion. When he left, it was $10.7 trillion”.
You’re off by a Trillion, Clarence. I know, chump change to a Liberal.

Bush was a rabid spender. We know that. But Bush’s rabid spending does not excuse Obama’s even more rabid spending.
Only in Liberal minds do Two Wrongs Make a Right.

DaveH,

Once again, you leave a few things out. Bush had help… You brain dead conservatives love to talk about smaller gov and fiscal responsibility when you are the minority in Congress. When you get in, you have expanded the Fed Gov (See Reagan and Bush 2) and spend like crazy.

Conservatives suffer from selective amnesia and if you want to find out about who crashed the economy, watch “Inside Job”. Then you will see how the big bank invasion of the Fed, the reregulation of the banks and wall street (which you nutballs think is a good idea) and bad trade policy geared to break whats left of the unions up. Unions BTW moron is the only seat the middle class and poor in this country have at the money table. But people like you are brainwashed to go against your own finanial interests and think that corporations and the “free” market are omnipotent and do now wrong. Well we got an education in 2007 how wrong conservatives are once again.

Typical right wing critical thinking right there.

What is your MENSA number?

What is your MENSA number Dave?

Hey El Gringo -
Liberals don’t get a MENSA number. They get a menses number – measured in gallons.

Clarence,

Answer a few questions,

1. Why is the US deficit 101% of GDP?

2. Why is US spending at 46.6% of GDP?

3. Why has congress spent us to the tune of some 7.2 trillion in deficit spending since 2007?

Inquiring minds want to know why, dino’s have been in charge since 2007 then in 2010 the dino’s and rino’s. I blame both sides of the house, but I blame Ohmama even more becuase of his ideology and blatent hate for America.

Hey Clarence, are you envious of the rich, is it because you never made anything of yourself?

Brad, I just venture to guess. Clarence is a loyal and staunch subscriber to Obama’s ideology and principle, which is shown throughout his presidential campaign: REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH.
Why work when you can just by “law” take from others (those who have worked)? At least he does not resort to killing them by guns or hard labor camps like in China from 1950′s to 1970′s. But he uses “laws”, “executive orders” and maybe some other new “inventions”. He is such a creative Community Organizer! He does not abolish Patriot Act; he can now use it for his intelligence collection; he even exhorts people to make reports directly about anything suspicious of malcontent of his policies. Etc. etc. etc!

Yeah, I do… Its the VP that said deficits don’t matter… Its the ones who think deregulation of the financial industry and wall street was a good idea…Its the ones that tax cut and borrow was a good idea… It was the person that put Allan Greenspan in charge of the Fed.

As ignorant the right are about who and what liberals are, you should not throw stones in that glass house.

Read the book, Ignoramus, and learn something.

Understand History Conservative (My word for ignoramus)

A Liberal is anybody who thinks Big Government is the solution to our Problems.
A Conservative is somebody who thinks Big Government isn’t the solution.
You, Dave, are a Liberal, hands down.

DaveH. LOL… your definition of liberal is right out of the Reagan/Rush/Fox propaganda book nice try. Maybe you should try and think for yourself and research the liberal movement in the USA.

Conservatives are those who want to stick to Traditional ways.
Liberals are those who want to change the Traditional ways.
In the beginnings of our country, the Revolutionists were considered to be Liberal. We now call them Classical Liberals.
The True Conservatives these days would be nearly equivalent to the Classical Liberals.
You don’t have a clue, do you Dave?

Read the book, Ignoramus, and be the first Liberal on your block to actually have a brain.

DaveH,
Have you noticed how the liberal fools always jump on the “Reagan/Rush/Fox” stump when they have no other leg to stand on. Typical, isn’t it?

The problem is, Sirian, that they’re too Ignorant to understand when they’ve been beaten badly.

Here’s another you should read, Dave:
http://mises.org/daily/3823/Origins-of-the-Federal-Reserve

Get yourself some education.

He forgot to list the fathering of a child out of wedlock when he coupled with an alien from outer space.

What a crock of BS….

Flashy . . . which item is WRONG?
He did miss the Chicago Boys Club though . . . lol
6 Trillion and counting by the “Pretend” pres . . .

Hey Flashy,

Truth hurts doesn’t it…

Flashy — I had not heard of that incident! Would you care to document it? Snicker, snicker!

Flashy? Document?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Clinton was hated in africa lest we forget mogadishu, not to mention clinton never had to stand america on his shoulders after the greatest attack on US Soil. Clinton was a coward and a hipocrit who was the first president to not give a cost of living increase to the us military personel. Clinton never had to start a war because he was the most laughed at president in US History as noted by key world leaders. The only reason clinton was loved in Asia was because of his various trade agreements that began this entire economic slide. Learn your economics before you open your mouth. I stand behind bush for ever because he HAD to make decisions these other two POTUS never could…

Swinney, for a person who claims to be a “political historian,” that’s one word too many. Political, undoubtedly, historian, not a chance.

I normally bypass your long list of unqualified statistics, half-truths and lies, but today as I was scrolling through your third identical posting, the following caught my eye: “Clinton left Bush Peace on Earth Good Will From Most Men.”

Convenient memory, sonny. If Clinton had not refused to apprehend or kill Bin Laden when offered to him on a silver platter more than once, much of the carnage that followed would never have happened. Granted, that’s an “inconvenient truth” for you, but truth nonetheless.

clarence,
you DO know what repeating the same thing over and over and over and expecting a different outcome is, don’t you?? no matter how many times you repeat it, it isn’t going to make it the truth!!! Is insanity rampant in you family tree?

See Ellen’s post above: You’re wasting your time as well as board space which could be used for better purposes IE. Spreading the truth about Abummer’s agenda’s as regards his communistic and socialistic views. As for the spending out of Washington the best way to stop it is to quit funding it. Stop filing Federal Income Taxes. They can’t put the entire population (or rather the portion they claim should be paying taxes) in jail.

What Ellen forgot to add was Bush and his Republican congress icnreased the spending and so if the republican congress was responsible for the balanced budget in Clinton adminstration then it was some of the same who increased the spending..I know I am wasting my time giving this information but here it is, deal with the truth.

This is for Thinkingabout. Take a survey of who made up the Congress during Bush and Clinton’s terms and when the spending shot up and who exactly voted to up the spending and for what purpose, then perhaps you can a better and more just assessments. Your political dialectics are full of holes! Don’t crown it with “TRUTHS”!

Thinking about, you’re right about wasting time…our time that is.
Why do you liberals continue to lie about a balanced budget under Clinton when there never was one. It’s a myth, never happened and Clinton never left Bush a surplus either…just as Bush never left Obama one.

Tom you have ask the easiest question I have had in years. For the first six years of GWB administration there was a republican majority in Congress. Since this might be news to you perhaps a small amount of searching might bring you the rest of the facts, read it and weep.

Sorry I might offend you. But your statements are all basically deformed by your eagerness to defend one side against the other. It does not take a genius to know that the fortune of a country, especially this Country of such an extraordinary background, is built on a long line of events and developments. To accredit Clinton for all the successes this Country had achieved through several decades is like giving kudos to a teenage heir for the success of a multi-billion dollars corporation he has just inherited. I personally had heard people of other countries snickered at Clinton’s Lincoln Bedroom’s rentals. And I certainly cannot believe Carter being pictured as a consummate CEO just because he was good at his peanut business. There is quite a difference between peanut business and other much more complex or sophisticated businesses. And, besides, your stats are not exact and have no base to stand on.

Clarence,
I’LL POST THIS IN CAPS, SO YU CAN SEE IT. CLINTOON DID NOT LEAVE A SURPLUS!!! DID YOU CATCH IT THAT TIME???? Clinton simply spent the same money (social security) TWO places at the same time!!! Can you go into a store, buy a beer, walk out and into another and buy another beer with the same cash? NO!! Hopefully that brought it down to a level that even YOU can understand!!

Goog Lord in Heaven!!!! I just realized how Abummer got elected!!!!

Make that Good Lord in Heaven. not GOOG!

I get it and I have, but try to explain this to any liberal! I keep telling them, it’s not what you think and there are bigger things than left or right. We need to take back the government and the country FIRST, then worry about all the stuff we bicker about. And all the stuff we bicker about? Gee, wonder WHY! Could be that is how the Rothchild’s, etc. have it worked out. So we are too busy bickering about minutia while we are sheep being lead to the slaughter. Just point me to ground zero. I really DON’T want to be here in the end!

YOU HAD TOTClinton to Bush to Obama
Who Dug the Deep Hole? Who Fumbled the ball?
Numbers rounded

Clinton left Bush an 1800B Budget
Bush Left Obama a 3500 Budget

Clinton left Bush a 240B Surplus as far as the eye can see
Bush left Obama a 1400B Deficit as far as the eye can see

Clinton left Bush 5,700B of Debt
Bush left Obama 11,800B of Debt

Clinton left Bush a 237,000 net new jobs created per month
Bush left Obama a 31,000 lowest number since Hoover.

Clinton left Bush 17 Million Manufacturing Jobs
Bush left Obama 11 Million Manufacturing Jobs

Clinton left Bush a 10,800 Dow
Bush left Obama an 8028 Dow

Clinton left Bush Peace on Earth Good Will From Most Men
Bush left Obama Hell on Earth Two disastrous wars. Enmity of 1500 Million Muslims

Clinton left Bush a President most highly rated of any peacetime President in Asia, Africa, Europe.
Bush left Obama the most hated President in history
Bush left Obama an Housing Tsunami and Financial Volcano
Bush left Obama, in 2008, an 8500B Bail out commitment Yes! 8500 not just 700
Bush left Obama his Takeover of Fannie/Freddie, AIG, and first bailout of Chrysler
Bush increased maximum loan by Fannie/Freddie from $300,000 to $729,000
Bush increased FDIC maximum deposit coverage from $100,000 to $250,000
 clarence swinney–political historian–lifeaholics of america burlington nc
author-Lifeaholic–Life story of Workaholic failure to Lifeaholic success
Best seller list in haw river nc population 200 and growingAL CONTROL OF OUR GOVERNMENT FOR 6 YEARS.THANKS.

Clarence, Your facts are twisted. Clinton left Bush a lower debt and annual surplus because of the Republican Congress that took over with the landslide mid-term elections. Clinton had us going in the opposite direction. Unfortunately for Bush, he had a Democratic Congress for his last 2 years and all the excess spending they could get into any bill that passed. Let’s also not forget that Bush and many Republicans in Congress tried for years to rein in Fannie & Freddie, but Democrats wouldn’t do it. That foolish notion that everyone should own a house caused the destruction of our economy. Our top people at the Fed were too naive to see the impact of the housing bubble on the entire economy. Currently, illegitimacy and illegal immigrants are destroying our economy, our school system and filling our prisons. These are 2 things Democrats love, so they won’t address the problem. When Republicans attempt to address the problems, they are labelled racists and genophobes. The idealists and ignorant believe them. We’ve become a country full of ignorant people who don’t stop and think things through; they simply believe the lies and distortions told to them. Is it any wonder the US is deteriorating?

Lest we forget…Bush was AWOL during a time of war, drove a few companies into the ground AND traded Sammy Sosa from the Rangers.

Yet none of that mattered to the Right.

Carter was a successful businessman. Ummm…. thinking about it, one would have to go a ways back to find a President who was successful in business and attained the WH.

None of the current GOP contenders can state they were successful in business except for Romney. Good luck if you want Mitt in the WH…talk about a disaster

This isn’t a Football Game, Clarence. Who cares which Big Government Politician spent the most of our money wastefully? All that matters is that they’re doing it, and we need to stop them from doing it.

Sorry , Obama is at the helm and it is his responsibility . The old “not My Fault” routine doesn’t fly . Every President in history has inherited the previous Presidents , success and failure’s and taken the responsibility for whatever their outcome was . I suppose that running the nations debt up to twice what it was when he took over is Bush’s fault ? This idiot has been office 3 years now and he is still singing its Bush’s fault . Who was sitting in the Oval Office when the country”s credit rating was down graded ? Barry Obama thats who ! So go peddle your liberal rhetoric elsewhere . The man is a failure from the word go , whats more , everyone with any sense knows it . Obama can’t accept that his beloved COMMUNIST form of government was a failure . In all it lasted 75 years total while the United States and her Constitution have been here for 200 plus years and did very well up until the bleeding hearts began their campaign of socialism . I suggest you take a look around and smell what you are shoveling . If allowed to continue , Obama and his Cronies will be the ones with the power and the money and his faithful liberal followers will be waiting on their welfare check and food stamps

clarence…you continue to post the “myth” of a Clinton surplus for Bush…either you know there never was one and are lying or you can’t be fixed…personally I think it’s both.

ONE MORE TIME…Time and time again, anyone reading the mainstream news or reading articles on the Internet will read the claim that President Clinton not only balanced the budget, but had a surplus. This is then used as an argument to further highlight the fiscal irresponsibility of the federal government under the Bush administration.

Yes, the deficit was almost eliminated in FY2000 (ending in September 2000 with a deficit of “only” $17.9 billion), but it never reached zero–let alone a positive surplus number. And Clinton’s last budget proposal for FY2001, which ended in September 2001, generated a $133.29 billion deficit. The growing deficits started in the year of the last Clinton budget, not in the first year of the Bush administration.

Clinton clearly did not achieve a surplus and he didn’t leave President Bush with a surplus.
http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

Can you imagine, Jeff, if one of these Liberals was on trial for murder?
‘But your honor, Theodore Bundy killed 30 people. I only killed one’.

DaveH, yeah…they always have an excuse…

My dad always said that excuses were for losers and it’s proven daily right here…then again, what else have we come to expect from these liberal types. Sheesh!

Jeff, DaveH, our dear Claire has lost Bob. I just found out and tears are in my eyes for her and him.

libertytrain…My heart just sunk and I do feel the pain also! Please, if you will, pass on my deepest and heartfelt condolences to Claire and her family. My prayers are with Claire and her family.

Jeff – consider it done.

Clarence:
“Clinton left Bush a 10,800 Dow, Bush left Obama an 8028 Dow”
The liberals’ Bush-bashing knows no end of fabrication, exaggeration, and misappropriation of facts.
The actual facts are that Clinton, who took office on 1/20/93, presided over a Democratic Senate and House until 1/2/95, a time when the S&P 500 (a much broader measure of stock performance than the 30 stock Dow index)moved from 435 to 459 (decimals omitted). This lackluster performance of the stock market during the “Clinton/Democrat” years is +5.5% over 2 years, less than the commonly accepted rate of inflation.
The Republicans gained control of BOTH houses in the 1994 elections, & from 1/2/95 until the end of his term in 1/19/01, the moderate Clinton, who was actually able to work with Republicans, saw the S&P 500 go from 459 to 1342, a prolific gain of 292%, or 19.6% annually over 6 yrs of Republican-controlled Congress.
George W took office 1/20/01 with a narrowly Democratic Senate, and a narrowly Republican House, a condition which remained for 2 years, during which the S&P500 went from 1342 to 880 (the “dot.com bust”), a 2yr. loss of 65% with a mixed Congress.
Republicans again gained control of both houses in the 2002 elections, and taking office 1/2/03, they presided for the next 4 yrs., while the S&P500 rose from 880 to 1418, a gain of 61%, or 12.7%annually.
In Bush’s final 2 yrs. he was saddled with a narrowly Democratic Senate and heavily Democratic House. The result for the S&P500 was a 63% drop during the mortgage crisis from 1418 on 1/3/07 to 902 on 1/2/09, the day the then heavily Democratic Congress took their seats.
The S&P recovered somewhat from the mortgage crisis during Obama’s first 2 yrs., going from 902 to 1272, a gain of 41%, and gained another 4% since with a mixed Congress. It’s still not reattained the heights reached 5 yrs. ago when Republicans were controlling all 3 positions.
Over the last ~20 yrs. and 3 administrations, the facts show that large stock market gains have occurred with Republicans in control of the legislative branches, and stock market losses with a mixed Congress. An all-Democrat legislature produced large losses in one case, and gains in the other two.
There’s no data to support the accusation that George W Bush was bad for stock markets, as he presided over both the greatest gains (under the Republican legislature) and the greatest losses, once under a Democratic and once under a mixed legislature.
If stock market performance is any indicator of the nation’s economic health, we should all want Republicans in all 3 branches to achieve that best. Personally, I think Ron Paul in the White House, exercising fiscal restraint over a Republican Senate and House would produce the best combination for the economy and jobs.

Kk,
I suppose then by your train of thought that Bush is also responsible for the approximate seven year flux of the market?? WOW~!!! Is that man powerful!!!

Oh there’s plenty of us that understand it LMS. But the problem lies within the rest that refuse to see it or those that simply ignore it altogether. MJ is correct but still, those that are and will remain ignorant to the facts are what the parties feed off of. You play both sides against the middle and either way you go, D or R, control is maintainable.

I get it too. Elections and the two parties are for the rubes so we feel like we have control of the elections. Sadam Hussein was the only guy on the ballot and won unapposed every election. In this country, the Rothschilds pick the two candidates so the election doesn’t really matter anyway. Note how the real patriots never get anywhere near the nomination election after election. They don’t have the right pedigree and backing and are made to disappear early in the phoney campaigns. Exception is Ron Paul but he will never get the nomination and his participation is just for entertainment.

Flo, if what you and some others believe both D and R are puppets controlled by Rothchilds (who knows what) is true, then why not create one that does not behold to or plays the game for Rothchilds. I am sick and tired of hearing the notable political commentators that exhort their audiences to vote for the candidates that can win because they are affiliated with these two major parties but not necessarily bent on serving the Country and the People’s REAL INTERESTS. I do agree with Ellen, who says too many American Voters are not mentally educated enough to select the right Presidential candidate to serve. There is a lot to do and a long way to go to reform this Great Country!

“Outsmarting Obama”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fLxfv9f3uM&feature=related

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

Well said Time

Gelding Liberals?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNdidQ5Z62o&feature=related

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

Gelding liberals no!!!!!!!!!
Confronting and killing the communist enemies of the republic..YES!!!!

Starting with Nancy Pelosi? Just kidding Bob, Just kidding!!!

I’m sure you guys have seen this website:
http://www.republicfortheunitedstates.org/
But whether we’re a Republic governed by a Constitution, or a Corporation, doesn’t really matter if the majority of the citizens have been successfully Propagandized to Not understand the Principles of Freedom.
That is the problem. And it is our task to overcome the Propaganda and convince those people of the benefits of Liberty — both Spiritual and Economical.
I have longed for self-determination since my teenage years, so it’s difficult for me to understand why anybody would want to be under the thumbs of others. But that voluntary serfdom is apparently a reality. Our task is to reveal to those people the fact that with Freedom they have a choice.

Have you read “Atlas Shrugged” by Ayn Rand?You should.Your remarks suggest that you are intelligent enough to understand what Rand was all about.Protecting the INDIVIDUAL from society.I am not a Dem or Repub.I am a Randite.I am against taxation.Giving your Government the power to levy taxes is consistent with selling your soul.The rich are rich because they EARNED it.(In most cases).The poor are worthless cancers who are ignorant,stupid,or lazy.The folks who create JOBS in this country are the inventors,investors,and CEO’s.Yet THEY get penalized for their vast contributions TO society in the form of taxes.The worthless poor contribute nothing,yet they are valueable to lib polits.As Hillary Rodham said,they are useful idiots who vote.

Gilly: since I must be one of those who don’t have a clue, please fill me in. Not being a strict follower of the Constitution, as it was written for a select group of people, I had to look up the thirteenth and fourteenth amendments and the 1871 DC act. I got my info from Wiki Answers. The Thirteenth Amendment abolished slavery in the United States.
The Fourteenth Amendment gave African Americans citizenship and that no state could deny the equal proctection of the law to all citizens.
The Fifteenth Amendment gave all male citizens the right to vote.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_did_the_thirteenth_fourteenth_and_fifteenth_amendments_say#ixzz1lF07lfSU

Concerning the 1871 Organic Act i found this information:The District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 aka “An Act to provide a Government for the District of Columbia (41st Congress, 3d Sess., ch. 62, 16 Stat. 419, enacted 1871-02-21) is an Act of Congress, which revoked the individual charters of the City of Washington, the City of Georgetown, and the County of Washington and created a new city government for the entire District of Columbia. The legislation effectively merged what had been separate municipalities within the federal territory into a single entity. It is for this reason that the city, while legally named the District of Columbia, is still commonly known as Washington, D.C. However, this act was abolished in 1874, and while the name did not change, the territorial Governor was replaced with a three-member Board of Commissioners appointed by the President. This system existed until 1974 when the District of Columbia Home Rule Act allowed for District residents to elect their own mayor. Info found in the Daily Render, Nicholas Schiller.
So I want to believe that you are saying that the amendments allowed for previously owned “chattel” to become more productive free men” and therefore add more substance to the economy of the U.S. And the Organic Act was to enable the Government to become centralized concerning it’s power, enabling it to force it’s desires on all the people of the U.S. without incurring any individual liabilities for the “masters”. Please enlighten me if I have wrongly interpreted what your message is as I am thoroughly piqued interest wise.

Gman, it was TIME, not Gilly, who made the ridiculous comments about USA, Inc.

TIME and I went through this a few weeks ago, when I called him on this foolishneass and challenged him to quote ANYTHING out of the 1871 act that purports to do what he claims. I’m still waiting for an answer (which will never come, because the whole thing is another bogus conspiracy theory).

The 1872 act merely did what thousands of US communities did and still do: it incorporated the District of Columbia to facilitate business transactions and define liabilities. I’ve read the act several times, as it is easily accessible on the Internet, and it does NOT incorporate the USA.

TIME, I still await your answer. And I caution you, I expect nothing less than any quotation out of the act that does what you claim, NOT a second or third hand “what somebody else says” answer.

Gman, I question your statement “Not being a strict follower of the Constitution, as it was written for a select group of people….”

May I inquire which select group you are talking about?

Hey Vig: Not long ago there was a staunch conservative who made a statement that summoned for me the notion that non white folks were not represented by the Constitution. Can’t remember his name but he posted an article on this site. He was making the overall statement that minorities were not the focus of the Constitution, as he denigrated people of color without using any overtly harsh language. I’m just repeating (paraphrasing) this gentleman’s thoughts. And besides, we al know that minorities have been given the shaft over the years and are yet still getting it. You folks are just mad that your own people are kicking you in the butt for that stuff you all love sooo much; moolah. As long as there is enough to go around and a few scraps can be doled out to the “less fortunate” everything is honky-dory. So get off your high-horse,and realize that you don’t mean dung to your own folks if you ain’t got no scratch.

Gman, you’re so full of it your eyes are brown!

JeffH,
I believe that more than his eyes are brown. I could care if he is Black, White Pink, or Purple, I just get tire of the same old” minorities are still getting the shaft” speech!!

Yeah, that terrible 13th amendment that ended slavery, we should definitely overturn that! What a mindset! You’re literally one hundred and forty-seven years behind the times. Let’s all go back to the good ol’ days of slavery! What a typical Libertarian stance. Let’s bring back child labor, drawing and quartering criminals in the town square, and denying voting rights to non-property holders as well. Oh and don’t forget the gold standard and no central bank. This is why if Ron Paul could run more than one thousand more times for President of the United States he would overwhelmingly lose over one thousand times. He has as good a chance a winning the U.S. presidency as Ahmadinejad.

No Mark it did not, if you could in fact read and understand what you have reviewed it would have been quite clear.

Mark,
Your lack of understanding of what a true Libertarian believes is eclipsed only by your inability to understand what you read. Ron Paul is one of the most freedom-loving patriots in this country, yet somehow you’ve twisted your understanding of his Libertarian message to be pro-slavery!? Please continue to rant and troll this website, as your thoughtless and inaccurate statements do much to crystallize the thinking of Libertarians, and to disillusion your liberal colleagues.

If you think returning to the days of slavery is a typical Libertarian stance then you know absolutely nothing about libertarianism.

Time…(2/2/12 7:57 am)..I don’t think your book of fiction will hit the best seller list. Don’t quit your day job!

Your message was quite hard to understand because you jump around too much and talk about issues as though everyone is supposed to know what you’re talking about.
Most pople are not mindless sheep, they are simply a part of the system and don’t know any better. It isn’t like the behind closed door policies of our politicans are ever discussed openly, so how would the public know these things? I do because I pay attention and listen and read and I have a good grasp of how corrupt the system is, and how people like this current idiot are placed in power by their rich and powerful handlers. Unfortunatley most people are more interestd in everyday life and paying their bills to pay attention.

You have not piqued my interest enough to get me to look up your references, “54T” and “12T”. If you want people to pay attention to your coded message, give us more of hint as to what we will find there.

Mac,
Come on, man, don’t make it worse that it is!! 54 Trillion and 12 Trillion!! It’s not a CODE!!!

Are you sure, Clarence, those numbers still stand today?

And this just sums up today’s predicament.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVseabUhg8M

Apparently, Clarence, your source is only counting Revenues. Government Revenues don’t tell the whole story because it’s the Spending (Revenues + Borrowing) that really counts. Total Government Spending in the US is 44% of the GDP.

Here are some figures for Government Spending for the Top Ten Economically Free countries (US being #10):
Hong Kong — 17% of GDP
Singapore — 17% of GDP
Australia — 33% of GDP
New Zealand — 43% of GDP
Switzerland — 34% of GDP
Canada — 44% of GDP
Chile — 24% of GDP
Mauritius — 24% of GDP
Ireland — 48% of GDP
United States — 42% of GDP

http://heritage.org/index/explore?view=by-variables

Note that the 44% of GDP spending for the US that I stated in the above comment came from another website that I had visited in the past, and can’t find now.

Yeah…all of those listed are well known for the militaries they have.

take out the military budget…figures are MUCH different.

The question then becomes, what’s the price willing to be paid for the huge military/industrial complex we desire?

I’m all for greatly reducing our Defense Spending. Are you, Flashman?

Absolutely. I do believe we need a two ocean navy, and I do believe we need a healthy but not oversized armed “boot’ force.

If you rely on what the military states they need, you’ll not get a valid answer. They’ll need a doubling of the budget every year fer chrissakes.

I think a defense budget pegged to the annual budget is appropriate. I believe Defense is 20% of the total budget. It went way up under the republican administration we suffered under. I think if the Defense came to 15% of the total budget, and let the JCS fight it out who gets what, we should be doing fine.

UHM-M-m-m Fleshy -
With all your indepth can you get your director to divulge where he hides the budget so anyone, anywhere can get any sort of idea about how much is being spent anywhere. Why are they afraid to publish?
Or, have they already published it on some gossamer veil that was so transparent we all missed the info?
Or, was it printed and redacted (oblama’s version of publishing) in the Fast & Furious” info sent over to Congressman Issa’s committee?

Yeah, Flashy, we gotta watch that Irish military!! 8500 active and 13000 reserve army, 933 in the airforce, 1144 in the navy, and operating 21 bases, all in Ireland, it sure is a domineering force!!!

Dave, Hong Kong is out a country, it is a city in China, so you can drop them. Id Ireland is 48% troour 44, then we would be #8, not 10 once you delete Hong Kong.

Not that I believe any of your uncited figures, but for argument let’s assume one of your statements is correct: “10% of the earners get 50% of income.” Here’s a fact and citation for you: Those 10% of taxpayers paid more than 70% of the US income taxes in 2009!
http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html
You may be right about the “inequality” issue after all. The top 10% are paying way more than their share of the taxes!

Then the answer is getting the lower incomes to a higher level. Difficult to do when the wealthy have all the cash and aren’t creating any jobs…

It’s difficult to create jobs in a down economy flashy, which shouldn’t be too hard to understand. I have lost 3 good customers in the construction industry over the last 2 years because they didn’t have the cash flow to survive, and the banks aren’t loaning money in spite of the fact that at least 40% of that failed stimulus money is still being held by said banks.
This claass warfare BS Obummer is pulling on you is apparently working, even though it is a bunch of trumped up nonsense. The wealthy pay the majority of the taxes already, so penalizing them further would be economic suicide, which this administration can’t understand, or does and could care less.

If the top 10% pay most of the income tax that is not helping much.the country is in a very big mess.correct me if i’m wrong but income tax is only a small part of the income needed to run the country.? sales,realestate,and the dozens of taxes are what pay the bills or am i wrong.?
and with unemployment so high and all the foreclosures we’ve seen and are still seeing and no relief{jobs}insite what is it that you think we can do to stave off total collapes of our once great nation.?

joem -
No answer after all this time? Fleshy must not have entree’ to Goebbels’ office this week.

Clarence Swinney, raw statistics are never as clean cut as they appear, as some corporations pay taxes in other countries and then not taxed in the USA so that they dont get taxed twice. These agreements are made between some governments, so the raw low taxeation figures are not always accuratley reflected in the statistics.

Then there are companies who transfer prices to low tax areas or increase or decrease the cost of money to increase or reduce profits in the highest taxing areas. So this I hope explains why your stats may not be too reliable and why the rates of taxation which your government wishes to increase…will not necessarily increase total revenues to the Federal Budgets.

Taxation is a price too which also needs to be competitive with other nations, and the lower your percentage tax is, the higher your overall tax collections will be as corporations from abroad would freely and voluntarily move their head offices to the USA to reduce their tax rates and in so doing will creating more jobs with flow on effects in higher demand for office space, more support staff getting wages, more cafes providing lunches to the extra staff…it trickles down pretty fast and all those new job recipients will pay taxes on their new found incomes. Dr RON PAUL knows this stuff.

Well gee, GILLYS -
Wouldn’t you think that even a commiemunity organgrinder could figure that out? And probably has at that. So, he has done everything he can to obfuscate. That way the bills come due next year which is when he’ll raise our taxes and blame it on his predecessor – Nasty Pelosiy and the ’08-’09 conservative congress led by none other than that awful “Contract on ‘Meric’r” Gingreich, hisself.
That’s why I know he’s selling us downriver to George Soreass.

yeah…it’s common knowledge C students are Presidents of the Harvard Law Review. He graduated with Honors, Magna Cum Laude

Hes so proud of his accomplishments that hes had his entire past records sealed. Yup, hes an open book(sarcasm).

You know you have no credibility on this board, Flashman, so how about you post some references to back that up?

GOODNIGHT MICHELLE, FKED THE HONKYS AGAIN TODAY. first time I ever even thought this.

JeffH says again: Bob, your comment was unnecessary!

Until I read Obama’s “Dreams” book I didn’t believe he was such a racist either. People, just read the first half of the book – I can’t believe the Democrats would back someone who admitted to the thoughts and behavior he describes himself doing and having.

You mean you are suprised that those who advocate a”womans right to choice”and sponsor the killing of nearly 50,000,000 unborn people,would back Omamba?
Hmmm.
-CC.

Flashie, Lets come back to earth for a moment can we?
Can you prove that statment about the Harvard Law Review?
NO – you sure can’t all you can do is parrot the BS you have been told. You have ZERO proof of anything, as in ZIP, NADA, NOTHING.

Prove he was President of the Harvard Law Review? Or prove he graduated with Honors?

You have got to be kidding. Both are on record and easily found. Do a simple search.

Flash…then it’s easy eough for you to cite your source…isn’t that what you always ask??? You’re just another incredible Alinsky trained “monkey”.

LOL…you have no clue who Alinsky was do you? or that Dick Armey handed his books to the TP as guidebooks. It’s a foreign sounding name and it’s the latest ‘evil sounding name’ to toss out against Pres. Obama is all you know. BTW…Saul Alinsky died when Obama was about 13 or so…so saying Obama met or was taught by him (one of the latest claims0 is a lie.

Fact is, Alinsky counted William F Buckley as one of his friends.

Now..if you need someone to hold your hand to help you find Pres. Obama’s being Pres. of the harvard Law Review or graduating with honors…you are far below any mental acumen which i associate with.

Flashy,

I see you don’t know anything about Ohnumbnuts, his college transscripts are sealed to include his harvard law degree, so, if you have a resource post it, prove us wrong DUDE. If you can’t prove us wrong about Ohnumbnuts and his so called degrees and honor’s then sir you need to shut the Fin up…

Never said anything about his transcripts. I stated he graduated with honors 9magna Cum laude) which is an open and public information. I also stated he was President of the Harvard Law Review..again, open and public record.

Hate ta tell you this…but one doesn’t earn graduating Magna Cum Laude without a nice GPA.

So…why would you want his transcripts? you think harvard gives aways Honros and the Law Review picks C students?

Flashy, you brought this up yesterday and I responded to you directly…and yes, you are the consumate Alinskyite in every thing you say…you, sir, have learned your lessons well. But…so have many of the rest of us come to undrstand our the enemies amongst us, like you and your ilk, because we too have taken the time to read and understand the Alinsky methods. You fool no one!

If you care to read what I posted, here it is.
JeffH says:
February 1, 2012 at 3:09 pm

What is most amazing(not really) is that Flashy continues down the same path each and every day providing nothing more that talking points, rhetoric and all to often attempting to deflect and change the direction of a discussion with questions “of morality”. So Alinsky…

You can go to the link and read the rest!
http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/the-winter-of-our-discontent/?replytocom=725776#respond

Flashy says DUH once again…”BTW…Saul Alinsky died when Obama was about 13 or so…so saying Obama met or was taught by him (one of the latest claims0 is a lie.”

Now who said Obama met Alinsky? It was Hillary that met and was impressed by Alinsky…Obama just studied Alinsky…

“Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.” –Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist Saul Alinsky

Obama helped fund ‘Alinsky Academy’: “The Woods Fund, a nonprofit on which Obama served as paid director from 1999 to December 2002, provided startup funding and later capital to the Midwest Academy…. Obama sat on the Woods Fund board alongside William Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground domestic terrorist organization…. ‘Midwest describes itself as ‘one of the nation’s oldest and best-known schools for community organizations, citizen organizations and individuals committed to progressive social change.’… Midwest teaches Alinsky tactics of community organizing.”

…. Obama spent years teaching workshops on the Alinsky method. In 1985 he began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago, working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project…. Camouflage is key to Alinsky-style organizing. While trying to build coalitions of black churches in Chicago, Obama caught flak for not attending church himself. He became an instant churchgoer.”
http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

Flashy, it seems to me that Harvard would have as much interest as Obama in keeping his transcript secret, to cover up the fact that his Magna cum laude and other other honors were based on race and politics rather than his actual achievements. If he actually made good grades deserving of the honors he received, why would he and they NOT publish his transcripts?

Where are his scholarly law papers? All of the people I know who were on Law Review at their respective law schools have at least one paper published in their law review. And where are his scholarly papers/books from his association with the law school of University of Chicago, was not this supposed to be his primary reason for being there?

Bob, your comment was unnecessary!

(offensive words removed) bob was spot on!!! OBAMANOS!!!

Flashmann,

My sources tell me that Obama never went or graduated from Havard, it is all a rouse to fool people like you!

Prove me wrong, big boy!

Instead of mocking Flashy Mr Pariot way don’t you prove him wrong! Look up Harvard Law Review yourself and the information is right there at you fingertips. Obama was elected as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review in 1990.It also says he went to the university between 1989-1993.

I’d have your sources prove they are right.

Pariot

Barack Obama
http://www.nndb.com/people/208/000055043/ -
Obama was raised by his mother until about age 10, when his maternal grandmother in Honolulu took him in. He graduated with honors from Harvard Law …

Flashy

College education of American presidents
http://www.successdegrees.com/collegeeducationofamericanpresidents.html -
A whole lot of them – 25 including Barack Obama – were lawyers, though not all of those 25 actually completed law …. Amherst College (graduated with honors) …

flashy

Michelle Obama Biography – Barack’s Wife
http://www.woopidoo.com/biography/michelle-obama/index.htm -
Obama went on to study at Princeton University where she majored in sociology and graduated with honors in 1985. She went on to study law at Harvard Law …

My sources are 100% correct, the reason the records are said to be sealed, is because there are no records! The records of his enrollment, how he paid for school and any record of his writings in the Review do not exist. The fraud with our President goes way beyond you will ever know! The Manchurian President is in the WH!

AMEN…..OUR PRESIDENT WILL NOT RELEASE HIS COLLEGE GRADES….WHY!!!!!!!!

Did Bush release his?

don’t know don’t care. he’s not the president and hasn’t been for a few years now…. you sure spend a lot of time worrying about Bush.

Yes, Bush’s records have been shown. Now show yours, and Obama’s.

Yes and you liberals teased him about them. Why is Barry so afraid to release his?

Yes, if only he could score high like Dubya in that regard.

Ellen,
There was a guy with a PHD that was interviewed by the news a while ago. Why? He was a floor sweeper. He couldn’t get a job in his chosen field!! A degree with even stellar grades doesn’t guarantee a good job or top wages!!

Mr Livingston,
could you please tell me why my comment is awaiting moderation? I don’t believe I have broken your rules and I haven’t been warned that I know of. Thanks in advance.

Dear JoeH.,

I’m afraid I cannot. I have checked our filter system and don’t find a post by you trapped anywhere. It must a gremlin of some kind. Sorry. Can you try and repost it?

Best wishes,
Bob

Bob,
no need, the system let it go through. Must have been a glitch. I was worried I had eclipsed a rule I hadn’t read. Mea Culpa!

Couldn’t there be a third solution? Like change the mindset of the swayed government by voting them out? and by instituting mandatory training courses for all the government bureaucrats – the so-called public servants – that they must go through and pass the final tests to prove their total dedication to the public welfare?

Tom the Observer -
While you’re observing see if you can observe the hordes of people flocking to the polls to vote.
I think maybe you need to change the last line above. Remove the words in the last line “…the public…”. Now you’ve got the facts.

Have you ever seen or heard of a comma or a period there Janie? Wow…

eddie, eddie, eddie…”Obama can’t(won’t) stop GE from practicing (crony)Capitalism and getting the best deal for their company anymore than all the other Presidents.”

Obama Empowers Jeffery Immelt, Chairman and CEO of General Electric, as the Ultimate Crony Capitalist? DUH!

For the last three years, Mr. Immelt has been in the vanguard for this new relationship between business and government, as a member of the Administration’s “Economic Recovery Advisory Panel”.

During the wild Congressional spending spree of the last couple of years, GE miraculously became the largest beneficiary of the government’s Troubled Asset Recovery Program (TARP) bank bailout. Although GE did not initially qualify for TARP, the company’s $18 million annual investment in battalions of Washington DC lobbyists convinced Administration regulators to push that “reset” button and extend TARP guarantees and subsidies to GE. Public records demonstrate GE Capital, the company’s massive financing arm, pocketed $120 Billion in loans from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation at interest rates of less than 1% and snatched 25% of the entire $340 billion in subsidies from “Temporary Liquidity Guarantee Program” (TLGP) rescue fund.

The Obama Administration has bank-rolled GE’s continued transformation from a consistently profitable American manufacturer to a predominantly off-shored and spectacularly leveraged financial casino powered by taxpayer dollars. The Administration and Jeffrey Immelt have greatly benefitted from their Crony Capitalism relationship…
http://biggovernment.com/cstreet/2011/02/04/obama-empowers-jeffery-immelt-as-the-ultimate-crony-capitalist/

Maybe ut has to do with the fact that GEs Imelt is a big Obama fan and that Obama brought Imelt in to create American jobs while at the same time his non-tax paying company was creating jobs in China with our money.

Google: Ask Matt Krantz where he says GE didn’t really accept TARP money and the money they did accept was paid back with interest. So the government made a profit of about 2 billion from them.