Wow thats a lot to take in.
But serioulsy what would you do? Nothing?

“Islam is peace” and the middle east is a paragon of virtue that we should only hope to emulate. The world is a rosey place and if only American warmongers could be restrained there would peace on earth!

Please pardon the sarcasm but what the hell! Please tell me when you run for office so I can be sure to line up with my vote (not).

Ted NO ALL the intelligence agencies did not. That was what our government said. There was plenty of naysayers in the intelligence community who said the Nigerian yellowcake nonsense was pure fraud. There was plenty of skepticism about all the intelligence claims. They were all ignored when if any attention was paid to them war would have been the last thing somebody responible would want to do realizing the cost of it.

It has been proven that Iraq had WMDs for he used them on both Iranians and his own citizens. What has not been proven is where they dissappeared to.

Absolutely correct!!

OR WHEN THEY DISAPPEARED? Could have been while daddy bush was President! Hardly a reason for daddy’s boy to go to war.

Very correct Mark,
in fact MOST of the INTEL from other countries stated that Sadam had no weapon’s…OK,Sadam was brutal,but now the world is witness to the violence that he kept at bay.Most people do not see the culture we destroyed,NEVER to be restored through our war against Iraq.Now we see how complicated politic’s in that region can be.

Well said Ted,
But all the evidence leads to where we are now,and most of the INTEL at the time stated that Sadam hadn’t developed WMD.The intel that the Bush administration sold the american public was selected for it’s content,that Sadam COULD be hiding WMD…Remember what the real reason for our troop deployment was,I do…Sadam had expelled the IAEA inspector’s.After the fact there were reported INTEL DOC’S that said Sadam might have WMD…Hindsight is always 20/20,but noting the mistakes of the past,do you not think it wiser to not buy into the PRO-WAR propaganda?Iran stand’s NO chance of surviving a war against the U.S. and Israel and whoever else we would drag with us,and they are well aware of this,but they are not keen on being bullied.We,the U.S. and Israel have active covert OP’S going on against Iran,this is FACT.Just because they stand up for their right’s,by no means gives us the right to attack them.Question…Where are the two largest active combat forces in the world deployed at present date???Iraq and Afghanistan…What country sit’s smack dab in the middle???I’d be nervous also if I were Iran

Ted G.
“So what part of a twisted supremacist theocracy based on world domination, that believes its O.K. to murder anyone in their way don’t you understand!”

So let me get this straight, You believe that since you think they want to dominate the world, we must go murder them all, impose OUR will on to their society, irradicate their “cult” and somehow you think YOU are in the right? explain to me how this works sir? You sound every bit as radical as the extremist muslims in my opinion. Have you ever spoken to a radical or group of them and tried to reason? It seems that alot of people in our great country are being taylored to thinking just like you–Hate them for hating us. Kill them fist. They wont listen to reason… Here we are on this sight and every single person that is trying to reason with you is either naive or dumb according to you.. You sir are, in my opinion, cut from exactly the same cloth as those “extremists” you hate.

Well no you didn’t get it straight at all. I oppose this ideology without apologies and certainly without any compassion in dealing with any of its true followers that demand the right to murder me!

I never advocated murdering muslims just because they are muslims!

Everything I said is basic islamic ideology. It does demand that islam dominate the world, and islam does place all unbelievers in the infidel category and allows them (thats me and you I presume) to be murdered if we step out of line according to the sharia.
Look just because all muslims don’t follow this crap doesn’t change the edicts of islam. Look at the sharia in all muslim dominated countries today. It is still a death penalty for anyone that changes their religion from islam and also for anyone that insults or critizises islam or its prophet.

Islam is, was, and always will be radical. You, once again have proven your ignorance of the truth. Islam is a cult, not a religion.

Well Capitalist at Birth,Very close indeed but you forgot a complete government,with their own sharia law.This escaped me until some wise fellow
pointed this out.cheers

Islam was in a very quiet state until two things happened. The West forced Israel on the Arabs and took their land away and the US encouraged the spread of Wahabbism in order to counter the USSRs attempt to make headway into the middle east.

There is just so much wrong with this comment.
First, Islam was only quiet in most recent history because after the fall of the Ottoman empire, the world countries (UN) divided up the conquests of war into several seperate countries and those countries then suppressed the political aspects of isalm while allowing the religious aspects.
Part of that division included acknowledgment of the historical Jewish homeland which became Israel. If Israel was imposed it was not imposed any more or less than Jorden and Syria etc was imposed.
The land did not belong to the “Arabs” then or now.

Wahabbism is nothing more than a strict interpretation of orthadox islam and was not the result of anything other than Mullahs and clerics seeing the opportunity to impose their will and control power. Islam is first and formost a political ideology that uses vestiges of religion to control the populace thru intimidation, fear, coercion and indoctrination. It really does qualifies for a cult if you look up the definition.
Islam threatens death to all who oppose it, it is ingrained in the population since childhood that questioning it is a blasphemer.

Sorry It was the colonial powers at that time not the UN.

And of course Israel was not concieved until after WWII after much lobbying etc. At that time the area known as Sumaria and Judea was not a part of any other nation did not have any nation status of its own and had virtually no cohesive population that could be considered
indigenous.

You can’t be serious…Appeasement to this ideology is suicide.
Don’t be foolish.

bravo for some historic facts. To add to this. The organized arab governments of the 1940′s embraced facism and loved Hitler. They lost to the allies in the area which started the process that became modern Isreal. Isreal was asked to absorb Jews from around the world and the Arab countries were supposed to absorb what are now the Palestinians. Instead the Arabs thought the displaced would make a great politcal football against the West. Unfortunately it is working in too many corners for those who don’t know a lot of history

Alex: Your naiveté is astounding! I might suggest you do a little reading of the Koran before you go further with your comments. Islam is a political cult and NOT a religion. It is dedicated to violence in order to spread it’s tentacles across the world. Christianity is under siege, everywhere. One by one counties are being taken over by islam and personal freedoms are being lost. In the past ten years, the Christian population in Turkey has gone from approx. 2 Mil down to 200,000. The Christian population in the middle east has dropped similarly. You, sir, are an infidel….I suggest you look in the koran to fathom just exactly what that means! Further, your use of Switzerland as an example for achieving peace is mind boggling! Have you been totally blind to the destruction muslims have caused in the countries they have migrated to, their non assimilation into society, etc? Alex…Wake up!

You have no understanding of Islam, much less, Iran. Islam is a religion. It didn’t becaome a theocracy until the Iranian revolution, that over-threw Irans abusive dictator who was installed by the U.S. After we over-threw their democracy in 1953. The ones in charge after revolution became religious zealots. You should see things from an objective standpoint, and it would make you less of a hypocrite. While you spout the disinformation of Islamic desires to take over the world, you simutaneously support the same from your own government. And I find it very intersting that its usually only the christian crusaders who beat the war drums, making themselves no different that the evil they accuse Islam for. Wake up and stop living in your dream world of fear.

America wants to take over the world??? yea right, where do you get that idea?

I think it’s clear, with military bases in over 130 countries around the world (many from our continued existence following undeclared wars since WWII), and continuous wars of aggression against nation after nation, over-throwing governments and nation building, against any ‘enemy’ that can be placed under the vague reference of “terrorist” (not unlike Hitler did), that this American government and its allies are bent on world dominance and serving the political special interest groups and international corporations.

This does NOT necessarily reflect what the majority of ‘Americans’ want, even though many are fooled into supporting these foolish endeavors by their appeasement to religious fear mongering through the umbrella of term of ‘terrorism’.

“The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.”
— Adolf Hitler

“Terrorism is the best political weapon, for nothing drives people harder than the fear of sudden death. What luck for the rulers that men do not think” – Adolf Hitler

To TML I don’t think your assertion is clear at all. You have stated a lot that basically is nothing but your obvious impassioned opinion.

I simply disagree with your whole comment and what’s probably “clear” is that many other Americans do also.

It seems that you believe in isolationism?
Do you think America exercises imperialism? The evidence does not support the definition of the word.

And “Wars of aggression” IMO that comment is simply absurd.
Do you believe that no war of any kind is justified or do you just question the decision as to when to go to war?

And furthermore for you to indentify anyone that agrees with the actions of America to be have been “fooled” impiies that you don’t think others that disagree with you are capable of reaching an informed opinion.
For instance I could be of the opinion that anyone that takes your attitude is foolish or uninformed about America’s enemies.

So try bringing down the rhetoric a bit

Ted G says, “To TML I don’t think your assertion is clear at all. You have stated a lot that basically is nothing but your obvious impassioned opinion”

“military bases in over 130 countries around the world (many from our continued existence following undeclared wars since WWII), and continuous wars of aggression against nation after nation, over-throwing governments and nation building, against any ‘enemy’ that can be placed under the vague reference of “terrorist” (not unlike Hitler did),”

These are facts, not impassioned opinions, sir

Ted G says, “I simply disagree with your whole comment and what’s probably “clear” is that many other Americans do also.”

I you can choose to be ignorant of the facts.

Ted G says, “It seems that you believe in isolationism?”

No, isolationism is like North Korea…. I agree with non-intervention, there is a big difference and it’s not rocket science. Non-Intervention is the abstention by a state from intervening in the affairs of other states, or the refusal to intervene in the internal affairs, entanglements, or disputes between foreign countries.

Non-intervention is not isolationism. Non-intervention is the principle foreign policy that founded the greatest Republic on Earth, that promotes free trade and diplomacy, while protecting it’s citizens rightful liberties, reserving the horrors of war as an absolute last resort when our national security is truly threatened.

Ted G says, “Do you think America exercises imperialism? The evidence does not support the definition of the word.”

Imperialism: A policy of extending a country’s power and influence through diplomacy or military force.

Indeed the evidence does support the definition of the word. To say otherwise is to remain willfully ignorant of the facts… not opinions.

Ted G says, “Do you believe that no war of any kind is justified or do you just question the decision as to when to go to war?”

Preemptive/preventive wars of aggression are NEVER justifiable.

Ted G says, “And furthermore for you to indentify anyone that agrees with the actions of America to be have been “fooled” impiies that you don’t think others that disagree with you are capable of reaching an informed opinion.”

I say ‘fooled’ because these continuous wars sadly gain momentum through the fear-mongering which is targeted at the cultural clash between Christians, Muslims, and Jews (which echoes of the preemptive wars once undertaken during the Crusades through a despotic Holy Roman Empire) most of whom unknowingly, unwittingly, and religiously, support the policies of preemptive war merely out of religious fear.

See, my saying they are fooled is an opinion. Saying that America adheres to Imperialist foreign policy is simply a factual observation based on the definition which you seem to think reflects none of the actions by this country.

I am of the opinion that you are willfully ignorant.

Ted G says, “For instance I could be of the opinion that anyone that takes your attitude is foolish or uninformed about America’s enemies.”

Which enemies? (Careful not to choke on your own words as you decide, and try not to use the word “terrorist” if you can.)

1.) The fact there are American bases are all over the world does not justify your impassioned opinion that “America wants to take over the world”.

2.) Non-interventionism to me is like walking by an ally and seeing a rape take place and averting your eyes and keep walking. enough said on that point. I guess it all comes down to what you can ignore and what you can’t eh?

3.)Imperialism, please continue with the whole definition, don’t just stop when it suits your ideas.
a.)the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies.
b.)advocacy of imperial interests.
c.)an imperial system of government.
d.)imperial government.
e.)British . the policy of so uniting the separate parts of an empire with separate governments as to secure for certain purposes a single state.

We are not taking over countries to make them our 51st or 52nd states.
Hey I have a dictionary too!

4.)
You; Preemptive/preventive wars of aggression are NEVER justifiable.
Me; If someone threatens to kill me and I have reasonble evidence that the threat is credible, shall I just wait to be murdered or go knock on their door?

5.) Anyone or any group that calls for the destruction of this country is my enemy. Anyone or any ideology that calls for my murder is my enemy. You figure it out!

Condescension is not good debate style.

However for you to compare todays events now with the histories of the crusades may be more apropos than you would have intentioned.

As brutal as the christians were during the crusades, history shows that they were a result of over 300 years of “Imperialistic” (now thats how imperialstic is supposed to be used accurately) conquest, forced submission and oppression of the islamic armies.
Given the resurgence of the religious zeolots of islam in the world and the demands and rhetoric coming from these religion nutbags, we could very well be heading to another crusade.

But hey go ahead and assume that the rest of the world is civilized and full of resonable people like here in the west if you want…you know where we can debate about controversial stuff without condescending to people that are of different opinions.

AND they want islamic infiltration in the US. That is the last thing we want here. Yet judges are already using islamic law (sharia) to decide cases right here in the good old USA. We must put a stop to that. NOBAMA 2012 !!!!

Amen, Mary.

Mary, it has long been the law of this land and upheld by the US Supreme Court that parties to a contract can choose the law of what ever source they choose to try lawsuits arising from that contract.
If an American and a Turk entered a contract with the agreement that sharia law would control all conflicts then the court must honor that agreement the same as if they had agreed that French or German law would govern. HOWEVER,neither Sharia law NOR the law of any country can ever be applied in our courts to deny anyone in this country any right they have under our Constitution! The fact that you and others don’t like it does not make UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

Alex,
Are there any Muslims in Switzerland and if so, what are they doing? I’m sure Iran, like any other country would, is responding to imminent threat. That’s only normal. If you had three men coming toward you, one had a gun, one had a knife and one had a baseball bat, in which order would you counter attack? I hope you said, the one with the gun, then the one with the knife and lastly the one with the bat. You always counter the greatest threat. Since the U.S.A. is bigger and best armed, Iran sees us as the greatest potential threat. For what it’s worth, we, the citizens of this country, should see our own government the same way the Iranians do as our freedoms are being constantly stripped away.

I agree about Islam and Muslims. None of them has come forward to openly condemn the actions of their “extremist” brothers and why not? If Islam is a religion of peace, where are their peacemakers? Where are those GOOD Muslims that always tell us that all the terrorist’s attacks are only the extreme Muslims? Why aren’t there any GOOD Muslims anywhere in the world protesting the actions of their brothers? I think I have that answer. THERE ARE NO GOOD MUSLIMS! The Muslim/Islam agenda is world dominance and our own Barack Obama is one of them. We are looking at that crocodile, we are feeding it, and we are hoping that it will not eat us as well. It is past time for dealing with Islam’s threat to us and the whole world.

Now, here’s a little something for all of you. Me and all of my friends who have firearms are taking the time to save their bacon drippings. We are dipping the tips of our ammunition in the drippings, coating the tips with the bacon drippings. This is what I want every Muslim in the world to know. This is my counter attack.

Here! Here! Lest stop pussy footing around this eveil cult!

“I hope you said, the one with the gun, then the one with the knife and lastly the one with the bat. You always counter the greatest threat.”

Presuming you have a range weapon the order is gun, BAT, knife. Unless the person with the knife is REALLY good at throwing it, the person with a bat has a longer reach that the person with the knife.

Are you an ostrich? Or do you choose to ignore all of the statements made by these mad men?

Which madmen? The ones in Washington or the ones in Iran?

What statements did they make?

Countrys like Switzerland exist because of the World Powers! They are protected because both sides need some “Safe Ground”. Switzerland is the place where money is put to be safe, where intelligence can safely be exchanged, and where antagonists can gain some breathing space. Should these radical Islamists prevail, Switzerland would soon follow!

Or just maybe Switzerland is safe because they follow our founding fathers advice and avoid entangling alliances. Oh and every one of them is armed and trained.

Sure we must stop Obama ….from invading Iran. Sure we must stop Romney,Santorum or Gingrich from attacking Iran for they have all stated they are willing to do so. So did Bachmann,Cain and Perry! Not a lick of them deserve the respect of the American people for forementing war. They all keep poking and prodding for their own Gulf of Tonkin incident to stir up trouble in the world and are willing to send more sheeple to the slaughter.

The war is between the bloody Saudi Dictatorship and the bloody Iranian Dictatorship.

The Saudis are setting America up for the loss of thousands of American lives and Trillions of US Dollars spent to turn Iran over to the bloody Saudi Dictatorship.

The bloody Iranian dictator is setting up Russia and China to lose thousands of their citizens lives and trillions of their dollars.

It’s the bloody dictators in Iran and Saudi Arabia that are calling the shots with stunts like this. AMERICA WAKE UP – THIS IS A WAR BETWEEN 2 BLOODY DICTATORS OVER OIL

Why are they enriching uranium to the point that the only viable use for it is in weapons? It is called weapon grade. What reports have you been reading? You are either a fool or ignorant of the facts.

He/she/it is both::: an ignorant fool.

“Why are they enriching uranium…”

Their not… that’s the rhetoric being used to fool people like you into supporting the elites in their quest for, once again, making a regime change and taking control of Iran oil… just as they did with Iraq. You make yourself a puppet, friend. “Facts” are derived for diligent research, not the assertions you regurgitate from the news.

The same reason we have folks in this country demanding more nuclear power Capitalist at Birth. We’ve spent decades enriching uranium for our nuclear facilities and now we get upset when someone else does it. Iran doesn’t want to strictly depend on oil for a fuel source. That way their electrical grid will have power and then they can sell the oil for revenue.

Our nuclear power generating stations aren’t enriching uranium. France has 70 nuclear generating stations in country and modern generating stations have no accidents as you can see(an accident in France would make world news). Israel will not need to use nuclear weapons to destroy Iran’s nuclear capability. The US just created a new bunkerbuster bomb that will penetrate 200′ of rock or concrete before going off thereby destroying the below ground labs enriching uranium.

A Ron Paul thinker! If the US is so horrible why not go to Iran and live?

I love my country and wouldn’t want to live anywhere else in the world. With that being said , I can also tell you that I don’t always agree with the actions of those ruling our beloved nation. We are bullies plain and simple. I wonder why we did nothing when the Iranian people tried to uprise last year hmm…Could it be that there is no money made for our corporations and politicians if they solve their own problem. If I were you I would only believe half of what you see and hear in the news, their goal is to make you afraid. If you are afraid, you will go along with anything they want you too.

Teresa,
I think you are on the right track. Overpopulation, depression, and hyperinflation were the engines of WWl and WWll…and will be the engine of WWlll. The tome is ripe. It’s just a matter of choosing up sides. Hitler was elected and managed to find jobs for everyone. I hope to God history does not repeat itself…but I fear it will. We, the nation who has atomic weapons and wants to deny other sovereign nations the same privilege, are the ones stirring the pot.

BAM!!! ~EVERYBODY NEEDS TO READ WHAT

OK, that was strange kind of censorship! (if it was that) EVERYBODY NEEDS TO READ WHAT Teresa M. has said above here. then RE-READ IT. Our lovely MEDIA causes a ton of stress for all whom believe what the media says. The MEDIA tries to control with their off-truths. KNOW THIS.

“If the US is so horrible why not go to Iran and live?”

Because we love our country, and don’t want to see it become a full blown despotism (as opposed to the elective despotism we have now) through the failed logic ‘the ends justify the means’, among other things. I find it exceedingly hypocritical of those who oppose the “elites” in almost every way, while supporting the ONE thing (preemptive wars of aggression) that is the ultimate source of ALL lost liberty and monetary problems which eat way at the soul of this nation perpetrated solely the serve the political special interest. Misinformed or misguided religious FEAR is what causes people to support mutually exclusive ideas. Please wake up

So Boib from Boston, do you think you can reason with these people? You are mistaken! They do not think the same way we do. Their standards are diabolically different. They have no compunction concerning killing women and children. They hijack planes and fly them into buildings! They behead people! They will never allow peace with Israel! They will one day take over Anerica because their fear tactics are working . . . we are scared spitless of them because of people like you who can’t make a stand. Muslims can pray in the streets and that’s OK, but we cannot pray in school and the Ten Commandments are anathema! There is no such thing as a spiritual vacuum. We [try to] throw God out (ala the ACLU) and Islam will rush in to fill the void. You need to read some history. Maybe you need to read the Bible and get the truth concerning such people!

God Bob is right about you people. Downs1 the IRANIANS did none of what you say. They are Shia and not even Arab ethnically and the hi-jackers were Sunni Arabs.

This nonsense about not being able to reason with them is just more propaganda. The government you can’t reason with is the US government. They have decided Iran should be attacked and we spurn every attempt to avoid war in the same way Roosevelt spurned Japan to get is into WWII.

Downs, there is NO law that says a child cannot bow their head at ANY TIME AND PRAY SILENTLY TO THEIR GOD IN SCHOOL.
HOW OFTEN WERE YOU TOLD IN SCHOOL THAT IT WAS WRONG TO STEAL. (A COMMANDANT)OR TO BE KIND TO YOUR NEIGHBOR ?(A COMMANDANT).THOSE COMMANDANTS RELATIVE TO RELIGION ARE BANNED BY THAT GREAT AMERICAN DOCUMENT THE CONSTITUTION!

IT’S THE ACLU THAT KEEPS YOUR YOUNGINS FROM HAVING TO LISTEN TO A MUSLIM PRAYER EVERY MORNING ON THE INTERCOM.

Continue to keep your head buried in the sand and that is what you will get, Buried.
They want our lives not our arguments, this is a clear cut case of a group of Religious zealots who are in charge of a nation that wishes to force its neighbors and its policies on everyone within its sphere of influence. They have had a long time to hate, they were neck to neck with the past Natzi regime in Germany prior to the second world war and they are continualy making eforts to distabilize the region today. It is time for action, dialogue has never worked with dictators, only there complete and utter destruction can accomplish in making this part of the world including our own safe, especialy if the continue in there attempt to obtain the bomb.

Bob in Boston, I agree. As would any intelligent person who paid attention in history classes and has enough of an inquisitive nature to delve a little deeper into world politics and economics, rather than just soaking up the MSM propaganda erroneously labeled as “news”.

Oh sure just insult people that disagree with you, putz!

Right on! We have provoked them into this position. Why can’t people learn from the past? What did we accomplish in Iraq. The UN inspectors told us there were no WMD’s. The Russians and Germans said the same thing. We demanded proof that Iraq turn over records showing the destruction of the WMD’s. They delivered a mountain of records to the Security Council. And without even looking at it, the US grabbed it, hid it away, and said that Iraq hadn’t complied. We bombed Iraq back into the stone age, and lo and behold, there were no WMD’s! Now the idiots who are war mongering against Iran are preparing to drag us into yet another disastrous war, that will further destroy our economy, enrage the Muslim nations, and kill countless innocent people.

Iran hasn’t threatened us, or Israel. There is no solid evidence they are developing the bomb. And what if they were? Who are we to tell them they can’t have a bomb? If you want to talk about beligerence, look at US use of it’s arsenal. The US has TWICE threatened to use Nukes in the Mideast. Bush threatened to nuke Baghdad, and Hillary threatened to nuke Tehran.

The North Koreans, Pakistani’s and Red Chinese all are threats to peace in their respective regions, yet we don’t assassinate their scientists, impose sanctions against them, and threaten to attack. Why? We don’t threaten countries that possess nukes! If the Iranians ARE seeking nukes, it is because they see that the only force the US respects are nukes.

I love my country (the US) and served in the armed forces. I hate to see what we are becoming. The Nazi’s of the 21st century! If we go to war against Iran, it will destroy what is left of our economy. We will be the Pariah of the middle east.

There is nothing in the Constitution (or Bible) which says the US must act as a proxy army for Israel. Israel can, and should take care of itself. The US is war weary and broke. We can’t afford another war.

First Thank You for your service.
But its a small world isn’t it, and its all interconnected.
America has a role whether we like it or not.

I guess the real question is at what point would you all actually take some action to oppose our adversaries?
What would those actions be?
Do you even admit that we have any?
Another question is do you really think that America has had a negative impact on the world? Do the fundamental laws and principals of America not jive with our actions?

Does America have any responsibility to the rest of the people in this world?
Do you believe in the UN? Does the UNDHR have any real meaning? It does after all agree with our own founding documents.

Do you support those countries that are not based on these rights? You know those rights which we take for granted and consider the minimum rights applicable to all people?

These are all serious questions and all deserving of discusssion.
But if we don’t stop insulting each other and start talking about and answering these questions to reach consensus then we will continue talk past each other.

A lot of opinions,Bob, you have are good points, especially about the economy. However, saying that Iran has not bothered us is false. They financially and militarily have aided anyone against us since before the Iranian embassy was overrun in the 1970′s. They haven’t done any big damage to us so we think they have no beef with us. But like a yipping dog, they eventually will hit a vein at your ankle that can cause you to bleed to death if you don’t take appropriate action. One of the mistakes we in the West make is that we think other countries think like us. People in this area of the world think the exact opposite of us, but they use our own rhetoric against us. Many of them believe if you don’t have their religion your only purpose is to be a slave or dead. Any effort to elimanate nonbelievers is okay with not only their governments but their religous leaders.
Caring about others requires love of your fellow man no matter what state they are in. Too many people in this region would find that concept alone totally rediculous.

bull crap!

Blackwing, Are you saying Iranians should be killed because they want to build a nuclear power plant?