That was sneaky, e. However, in trying to shield Obummer, you forgot that he’s just a face in the crowd like Bubba Clinton is. You might get away with it under other circumstances, but as long as Obummer is allowed to feed his monumental, world-class ego, he will NEVER be anything but a would-be ELITIST.
Now, WHY would you try to get the rest of us to think that Obummer is ‘just another guy’ who just happens to be a prez? Have you given ANY thought to
the idea that if it becomes “necessary” for Obummer to use a war to try and boost his popularity that he WON’T get us into a war with Iran? Don’t you find it hard to walk a long, slick tightrope with your eyes always CLOSED?

I’ll leave the clever spin up to you SC since you say you are the “educated” one. Nowhere did I say or would I support Obama going to war in Iran so pull your head out SC and if you need any help stuff some Preparation H up in there. That ought to loosen up your cranium a bit.

I assure you that oil money/interests have way more sway in congress than environmental groups.

BS!

Wait the same people who decried Nuke plants and refineries and prevented any new ones from really being built for the last 30 years? Yeah guess your right Doc they don’t have sway over congress. cough* cough* BS!

If we paid what oil costs us in real terms it would be a lot higher than $5/gallon, in fact we probably would have already given up on it as a major energy source. We pay through the nose for the military operations to keep our supply going and not just in dollars but in American and foreign lives. We pay for the infrastructure to support our gas centered lifestyle. We pay through poor air and water quality and the health affects those influence.
Yes, gas would be WAY more expensive if we did not subsidize it in so many ways.

Subsidies, schumdzideezz – just what would you call unemployment checks? Isn’t that a subsidy also? In essence it is – subsidizing unemployed people via government funds that originate from the remaining employed people and the companies they work for. Let me remind you, although it probably won’t do much good, the U.S. Government does not earn any money – it simply takes it!! And please, get off that heavily worn high horse of “We pay through poor air and water quality and the health affects those influence.” Really? Well, if that be a credible high horse to ride just why is it that people of the U.S. have a much longer life span than people of Europe, Africa, South America and Asia? Let me see, “in fact we probably would have already given up on it as a major energy source.” Alright twiddle, just what would you replace it with that would be acceptable to your agenda? Left over carrots and peas? As usual your statements have very little credibility in the common sense arena. The price of a gallon of gas would drop by a dollar, over night, if all new regulations that have been doled out to the producers since February, 2009, were repealed or eliminated, as so stated by the CEO of Shell Oil. Yes, gas very well could jump to $5 a gallon if not up to $8 – $10 or more in the not so distant future but government subsidies to the oil companies is not the main cause of it. You obviously have no common sense whatsoever when it comes to the markets – foreign or domestic. Better yet you haven’t the slightest twinge of understanding of economic terrorism that is being played out on us. Never mind, no point in even attempting to explain that for you would say it’s caused by global warming or some such other idiotic reason. Now, break out your preset listing of statistics and fire away. Your manner of thinking is at times truly unbelievable!

Thank you.

I really beleive that CEO from Shell. He certainly is only looking out for the US of A. Ha, what a load that is.
In most european countries since the mid 80′s they have had cas getting more than 50 MPG. Yet we don’t even push for more efficiency from our auto makers. Little baby steps. What pushed them? They had high gas prices. They then innovated and got more efficient. We ae lard asses almost everyone of us. Lazy and if we only did pay the real price for gas we would be so much further along. By the way, I’ve lived “off the Grid” for over fifteen years now. Started back in the early 70′s but of course it has cost me time, money and effort. But it is well worth it and I almost have all my food worked out so I can escape the insanity of these idiotic arguments.

Crime also goes down when you have armed citizens protecting themselves.

A large majority of the Scientists involved in these “Green Thecnologies” believe, as I do, that Green energy will be the future source of supply for our needs! The majority consenses is, within two or three Decades, Green energy will be able to supply as much as 50% of our energy needs! We must not destroy our current economy with unrealistic demands today or we will push the realisation of this goal even further into the future!

We have two new subdivisions in Denver area that will be mostly off the grid (brand new homes) retrofitted with solar panels. This adds $26,000 to cost of home but no future heating or cooling bills. I hope alternatives do well and I hope for the best.

That’s great if you are moving into a brand newly built home, but it costs a LOT MORE than your figure of $26,000 to retrofit an older home. A persons first home is usually a very old house that generally doesn’t have much in the line of environmentally friendly assets. As you move up in wealth, you buy a better home or you slowly remodel what you have. People don’t have jobs to remain in their current home, so how will they be able to afford one of those homes you are talking about? How are they supposed to get to work to make the money to afford those homes if you insist that we should not use oil for gas? Electric cars move the cost from the gas pump to the electric company bill and I can state here that my electric bill has NOT been going down any amount for several years even though I have been trying to do everything I can to make it happen.

The green technologies don’t work for our needs. Every time energy is converted to another form, it loses(wastes) energy. In normal cars, gas is burned(loss) to make heat, which converts (loss) to mechanical energy. In an electrical car, coal/gas/oil is burned (loss) to make heat which is cverted to mechanical energy (loss) to turn a turbine which makes electricity (loss) which is tranported over transmission lines (loss) which is used to charge a battery (loss) which is converted back to electricy (loss) which is converted to mechanical energy (loss). This does not save energy and the batteries are very dangerous to our environment.

With the grid, there are 2 kinds of energy necessary for the grid to work and for us to have continuous electricy whenever we need it. Some are always on power sources such as nuclear & hydro power. Some increase and decrease as the need changes such as oil/gas/coal power plants. The larger and more frequent the change in demand, the less efficient the energy sources are. Wind/solar only give power when there is wind or sun, not when we need the power. Wind is more efficient than solar but provides most of its power at night and in the winter when demand is low. Because the wind and solar can suddenly stop, it is necessary for the oil/gas/coal plants to always stay “ON” because they can only come up to speed so fast. Therefore they are still burning oil/gas/coal while the wind/solar are working to ensure that the power will be there when we need it. When Wind/Solar become a significant portion of the grid supply they actually increase our reliance on coal/oil/gas. This technology does not work for grid electricity and will not work until a method is devised to store energy for when it is needed. I have my doubts that there will ever be a feasable ability to store that kind of energy for when it is needed, therefore the technology will most likely never work.

Hey, flush, you need a quick trip to Iran. Be prepared to learn Farsi – REAL quick. Be prepared to ‘convert’ – REAL quick. When you come back (you plan to come back, don’t you?), you can amaze us with all the great things that happened there.
You’ll have to explain why gas is so cheap there (and why it’s getting so expensive here). Take notes and photos. Maybe the State Department will have an opening for you, and you can get paid to be a Billary groupy. Some people have ALL the luck.

Utter nonsense from SC again. Do you lie in bed dreaming up this stuff. “learning Farsi”? I’m amazed your head hasn’t exploded yet with all the hyperbole.

Take notes and photographs! Boy, do you want his shot!

I think it’s important to become oil independent while moving toward “green” energy at the same time.

I still think more R&D needs put into that invention that burns salt water as fuel using radio waves.

To create “green” energy the existing energy processes have to be used to set the greeny in place. How is that more efficient or useful?

Being oil ‘independent’ is where it becomes more efficient and useful. Ever since black gold became the fuel of the industrial age, it’s been horded, because it was immediately recognized that it WILL eventually disappear, as a consumable commodity that can not be equivalently reproduced. It’s value goes up and up as we move forward. Demand grows, while supply diminishes into oblivion.

The cost of purchasing this demand for oil from other nations, even Canada, could better be routed to tapping domestic resources and R&D for alternative energy.

The alternative to independence, is dependence… the former is always more productive.

Nadzieja look around in your house and look out the window at your car. Now think about no oil. You would be sitting an empty house and looking out at a frame of a un painted car with no tires or plastic. You would not even have a computer to get this message.

Flashy your leader sat on his arse while the Iranians were pleading for our help to rid them of a fowl government as their scientists were making an Atomic bomb, but now Obama is rattling the sword big time when it comes to oil. He would start a war for oil that we could be getting from under own feet here at home or Canada. And don’t give me that crap about pollution. Google underground oil and gas lines in America and the map will look like a large plate of spaghetti. Obama’s new energy saving light bulbs will poison more people in the next thirty years with mercury than any damage from a ruptured oil pipe.

Flashy, can I ask you — what great alternate do we have for oil? Especially as Obama has STOPPED drilling everywhere in the states, he is having his czars close down coal use, solar ONLY works when there is sunshine, windmills ONLY work when the wind blows, the environmentalists have stopped nuclear power use, so what do we use instead of oil?

It’s been known since last fall that talks on the Keystone project will resume this spring. So you are making a prediction that is way too easy.

Prediction? I wasn’t making any prediction. It’s simply the way things are played out during an election cycle. Rather funny that he rejected the pipeline yet later on this year it will re-emerge and become a front page story. As I said eddie, it’s part of the game that’s all, it’s part of the game.

The Net just announced that Obama has stopped the Keystone XL project. Says that the companies will have to find a different route in order to go forward. Back to the drawing board.