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Why Is Everyone Going Bankrupt?

January 2, 2012 by  

Why Is Everyone Going Bankrupt?

Gradualism tricks the mind. Gradualism removes the shock potential of events, no matter how serious the consequences.

If you saw a dead body on the street, you would be shocked and horrified. If you saw two more dead bodies the next day, you would still be shocked, but somewhat less so. Then, if you began to see new bodies every day, you would eventually pay no attention at all. Gradualism neutralizes the mind and numbs the senses to reality.

The U.S. economy has been in gradual collapse for several months, along with Europe’s and economies of most of the world.

In the United States, it is common knowledge that bankruptcies are widespread and occur daily. Almost 46 million people are now on food stamps. No telling how many really are, as government statistics are totally unreliable.

We are having a debt collapse that will continue until the slate is wiped clean and a new system is put in place. Hopefully, it will be gold-based.

How long will this debt collapse continue? No one knows, but it would already have happened if the United States didn’t have the exclusive ability to print fiat money and force it on the American people and the rest of the world. Nobody else can do this.

Even so, inflation (debasement) of fiat money eventually becomes deflation. With the printing presses wide open, there becomes a serious shortage of cash, like right now.  Nobody has enough cash money.

During the Weimar German inflation, the German government took over all newspaper presses in order to speed up production of fiat money. And of course, the money exchange value went to zero with piles of paper money in the streets.

Still, there are many variables that can determine how long a debt-based fiat currency can stay in a state of collapse until the end.

Zimbabwe was printing trillion-dollar notes at the end. The people and the system had to use foreign currencies to survive. But even so, it took 28 years from independence for the former colony of Rhodesia to become an economic basket case.

Of course, money debasement speeds up and becomes exponential in the last months of a regime’s existence. It is happening here in the United States, but gradualism is still a mental block and the people are not sufficiently alarmed to take survival action. This will change, I promise!

All dollar assets are evaporating. Only gold, silver, land and commodities appreciate when fiat money is collapsing.

Fiat money is the rot of our land; but politicians, bankers and government love it. They create it and perpetuate it as long as they can at all costs, because it is a wealth-transfer system to the government from the middle class.

Did you know that the fiat money creators can steal your assets just by printing money? Not one person in a million understands this, but all people should — even schoolchildren. This widespread knowledge would block the chicanery and ongoing fraud.

Don’t forget that bankers can magically make dollars exist in the form of entries in the accounts of borrowers or lenders. No wonder they can and have created “money” to infinity.

It is bad money creating bad debt. It always collapses because it self-destructs.

Seems to me we are awfully close to the last months. In the past three years, the U.S. public debt (printed money) exploded by $5 trillion.

The United States is 244 years old, and more than one-third of the national debt has been created in just the past three years. The dollar price of gold is telegraphing this message to anyone willing to listen.

There is no painless solution. In fact, there is no solution under the present system. Everyone is too greedy. But I believe that the individual person can survive reasonably well by owning a mix of silver and gold coins.

If your funds are limited, buy small coins for barter and, for goodness’ sake, keep them in your possession, not anywhere else.

Have non-perishable food and water stored along with organic garden seeds from www.seedsofchange.com. Be sure to store sea salt, the elixir of life.

You know all the commonsense things to do, like keeping your car in good shape and having some cash on hand. Those who can should get money out of the United States while it is still legal.

Exchange controls will come. The authorities always stop money from leaving the country, but they will always let money in. This means that funds in Switzerland or other countries can be returned to the United States.

And, no, a Swiss annuity does not have to be in the Swiss franc. It can be in other currencies as well. The Swiss deal in almost all currencies. The idea is to get money out of the U.S. dollar and out of the United States.

Now, what I have written, tens of thousands of people know, but only a precious few take action. No shock has to be triggered for alert people to take pre-emptive action. They act because of conviction from their reading and studying, and are not fooled by government propaganda.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Jenasus

    On or before March 1st 2012 the banks wiil close. The euro and the dollar will crash at the same time. Looting and chaos will lead to martial law being imposed to confiscate weapons.

    Than we will be taken to concentration camps to be implanted with a computer chip that will make infertile to control world population.

    We the people will lose all of our rights of freedom as citizens and become subjects in the New World Order.

    Welcome to 2012 the “Age of Enslavement”

    • NC

      JENASUS, I’M IN REALTY AND I’LL BE GLAD TO PAY YOU 10% OF THE VALUE OF YOUR HOUSE AND TAKE MY CHANCES THAT IT ALL AIN’T GOING TO COME CRASHING DOWN ON MARCH 1 2012. I’LL ALSO BET YOU THE OTHER 90% THAT WE WILL HAVE A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE COME JAN. 2013 AND THAT IT WON’T BE RON PAUL.HOW DO I MAKE OUT THE CHECK FOR YOUR HOUSE??

      • Jenasus

        NC Your cash ain’t nothin but trash. It is worthless. It does not even burn good and the bills are to small to wipe my a$$ with to flush down the toilet.

      • eddie47d

        There must be 20 different predictions that the world will end or the USA will collaspe in 2012. Are you all one in the same? We heard the same in 2010 that 2011 would be the end. Didn’t happen! Wolf! Wolf!

  • http://www.popham08.com Popham

    Indeed, the only solution to the U.S. debt crisis and that of
    European nations and banks will be total, mutual repudiation of
    all debt. There seems no other way, for as Europe persists in kicking
    the perverbial can down the road, eventually the can will become
    just too heavy to kick, and all the Federal Reserve bailouts such
    as we witnessed on Nov. 28th, 2011 will not save the Euro or help
    us either.
    Any economist worth his/her degree would tell you that we are on the
    cusp of global financial collapse. And it has been brought on by
    lackidasical immigration policy, inveterate political correctness
    and overwhelming socialistic government policy-making.
    Good luck, everyone.

  • Chris

    Bob, you finally hit the nail on the head. “Gradualism tricks the mind. Gradualism removes the shock potential of events, no matter how serious the consequences.” This single statement clearly explains American citizen’s complacency of the past 100 years. The marxists have fully expected to rule the world since their inception. America has always been their single obstacle to that end. Wilson was our first obvious progressive-marxist in America’s government. BTW, progressive means “developing gradually over a period of time.” No one in the universe understands “gradualism” better than progressive-marxists. They knew they could not destroy America quickly as by war. So they infiltrated our government (democrats at first, both parties eventually) and have “gradually” changed America into a socialist country. Socialism is the middle step between the destruction of capitalism and the end game of all out communism. It has all been so gradual that the American people were unaware of what was happening to both our government and educational system. They are close to the last act. None of the republican candidates would be able to turn things around at this late date even if they genuinely wanted to. When all is said and done, it is simply a matter of history repeating itself. Obviously, humankind NEVER learns. America was the greatest country to date but there have been other great countries (e.g., Ancient Greece) over the centuries. They too are long gone. Good cannot prevail in governments where overwhelming greed for money and power are allowed to go unchecked.

    • http://www.popham08.com Popham

      Thanks Chris.
      Very accurate statements.
      May God help this once great nation.

    • eddie47d

      Greek or Roman history is a poor example of capitalism and doing it their way. They both achieved wealth and status by attacking other nations and “taking other peoples money”. They barely survived on their own and killed thousands to gain personal status.

  • http://Boblivingston Gottaplenty

    We hope that it don’t happen but I am old enough to remember FDR and confiscating all the gold, making it unlawful to own gold bullion coins etc. Im shure this rat in chief hasn’t overlooked that ,as he is one of the greatest POTUS that ever lived…

  • http://norman@cates-family.com Norman F.

    The much maligned TEA Party is trying to remove all the Senators and Representatives who have been in Congress too long. A Congress that knows and understands its duties and responsibilities can stop this slide. Those long serving men and women have changed the Constitutional set up from one where they make the laws, and the President enforces them, into one where the President sets the agenda and they vote as he desires. Until we can get the most senior of them out of office it will continue on this downward slide.

    As for the current candidates for President, don’t vote for the leading persons. Instead listen to the “back of the pack” and vote for one of them. Personally, when it comes to Florida, I’ll go for Perry or Bachmann.

    PS: Does anyone know why my posts always get deleted?

    • Think about it

      I don’t understand, you say we need to clean up the place, and then say you want Perry and Bachmann ???, in order to clean up the place they need to go to, sorry, i’ll bet you still like Marco Rubio to, even after he voted yes on NDAA.

  • Flashy

    Let’s do a wee bit of examination. 1980. I believe our budget was running 60 Billion or so in the red. In comes Reagan. We give the wealthy and elite tax breaks. boom. Deficit skyrockets, jobs plummet, investment plummets, two recessions (non-oil caused btw) and the two wage earning family become a necessity rather than a choice.

    Oh…but we are told that’s good. because we “grew’ as the wealthy and Big Corporations cashed in. uh huh … and trickle down meant the working class and middle class were pee’d on.

    So we struggle through, BushI has to attack the reagan mess..then Clinton. taxes are stabilized, the wealthy get hit a little, corporations get a few breaks taken away, we stay out of any expensive wars for the elite…voila!

    Then we are told it’s not good enough. So we give the wealthy more tax breaks, two expensive wars to enrich them on top of that, shred any oversight of the markets, deregulate the very markets we shred the oversight of (oversight being different than Dereg. in essence, we pulled the cops off). Boom….deficits skyrocket, wealthy cash in, middle class and working class are left holding the bag.

    During this time…wages went up a smidgeon. Income for the wealthy and big Corporations skyrocketed.

    Have they reinvested? kinda…overseas. We even are paying 30% of the cost to ship away our jobs! meanwhile…their banking the cash, not moving it, not building new plants or modernizing, raped the system, and demanding more.

    Mind you, we have the lowest tax rates on the wealthy since the 20′s. Our corporations are amongst the lowst taxed in the world (real taxes guys…not the “before deductions and write offs and subsidies’ tax rates.)

    So every step we took that the Right and the elite said would
    ‘fix” the problem, worked in a way. The “fix” was in all right, and they didnt even throw us vaseline to ease the pain. heck..we’re screaming about the price of heating oil and fuel and FUEL IS OUR LARGEST EXPORT.

    And the cowering suporters of the Right wing allow the nationalization of our schools, our freedoms and liberties restricted and monitored, our taxes to go up, and our government to go to the highest bidder. What is their answer as this administration is trying to fix what the GOP and the Right screwed us on? Why….they fight against the very policies and programs which are attempting to give them back what they gave away! Unbelievable…yet true.

    Try this. Go back to the tax rates during the Clinton years. Cut the subsidies paying to ship our jobs overseas. Jail the real criminals in the illegal worker issue…those who employ the poor guy who is just here looking for a job. bring back glass Steagal and increase the number of folks policing the securities markets. Cut oil subsidies and subsidize new energy industries.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Flashy_____Yawn……

      • Flashy

        I know Angel. So easy to fix, stated so many times, and [roven throughout history time and again. And yet, y’all are opposed to any fiscal reasoning and want to keep driving towards the cliff. Why is that?

      • Angel Wannabe

        Flashy, the fallen state of our society has been created for us and we’ve allowed it to happen.Several things have take place and put in place to cause it__

        Society has been numbed by being exposed continually by an upsurge of evil, constant battering by movies of Armageddon, slaughtering, murders, we’ve told over and over again abortion is “Ok”,we’ve been lead to believe that the money taken from us in taxes are for the poor and needed to run the country,(why then is there a money problem with printing press which can print money to the infinite?)_ when in essence our tax dollars, go to help fill the pockets of the elites who claim to run the world._-The corruption of Washington is so severe that a collapse, and a total renewal of the system, is the only thing that’s going to save it.__We are slaves buddy, nothing but slaves, this was all by design.__We can argue left right paradigm all ya want__but I am so past that its not even funny!

      • Sirian

        I’m in total agreement with you Angel W., Flashy and his ilk rate at least a . . . yawn.

      • Think about it

        I’m with you on that, its not left/right its the whole 535.

    • DaveH

      As usual, no references to back up your numerous fabricated facts, Flashman.
      Why stop at the 80s? Why not go back to the beginning of the 1900s when Government at all levels spent only 7% of our GDP, rather than the 40% it now spends?
      Government spending history from 1900 as a percentage of GDP:
      http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/past_spending

    • MNIce

      Actually, Flash-in-the-Pan, our corporate taxes are the second-highest in the world, and we rank #72 on taxes overall (meaning 71 other countries have an easier tax system). That’s two points worse than we were last year. http://doingbusiness.org

  • Glen Xx

    If the US treasury has the power to print and coin $$$ why is there

    a national Debt?

    Ron Paul is right “end the fed ” i.e. end the Fraudulent Resv Bk.

    • Buddy

      The national debt is a control mechanism. And you’re the controlee!

      • Sirian

        Exactly Buddy, exactly!!! And they can’t see it.

  • skyraider 6

    It costs an average Virginian $4000.00 a year for gas for their cars, up $800.00 from last year, Anybody care? mr obummer.

  • Pete

    Bob not to worry , the average American voter is more interested in the up coming Super Bowl and all the fatty snacks he has lined up, the Kardashian’s , dancing with the stars and other such nonsense.
    When the economy finally caves in they will be too stupid to realize what has happened.
    Why worry? I say FU** EM , and just carry on with our own lives. I will do well no matter what happens , and after all why try to teach a pig to sing, as it only wastes your time and annoys the pig. LOL

    • Carlucci

      You got it. All the rest of us can do what Bob Livingston’s article says; plus keep calm and carry on.

    • Sirian

      Poor pig, poor pig, you’re being so cruel to that poor pig. . . LOL!!! LOL!!!

    • Think about it

      I know what your sayin Pete, when i’m driving down the road or in the store i’m looking at people wondering if there awake, i talk to people about things like FEMA camps or this new law NDAA and some of them look at me like i’m crazy, and some know whats going on, i don’t know what to do anymore, it makes my heart hurt to think of people and little children being rounded up and put into FEMA camps when Obama claims Martial Law, and he will before this year out gone.

  • Don Sr.

    anyone who has read my opinions before knows what my views are based on. Again, here we see greed at it’s best. Nothing on this entire earth is a lasting thing….not even the earth itself. You will never convince a greedy person that there’s anything wrong with their thinking. The greed has their mind entrapped. And this is not a new story either. Seek first the kingdom of God and all else will be taken care of. The leaders have not sought out God, but rather have been tricked by all the world has to offer…a world that will not last. Even now with time left to go to the Father they will not. By now they are seated on their stools of importance. In the end they will cry and beg to be recognized and yet not even their own greedy cohorts will give them the time of day. Too many dogs at the feeding bowl so to speak. Even the gold that we are advised to hoard will perish.7777777777777.

    • home boy

      you say nothing on this earth is a lasting thing. since you talk about god i assume you read the bible. have you ever considered what you say when you say the our father prayer? the part where you say thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. do you really think that god will let the earth be totally destroyed? he promised noah he would never destroy the earth again. we live in a world controlled by satan ( 1john 5;19) so why would you expect things to get better. people today talk with no confidence in god at all. they leave everthing up to man to solve and he can’t, he is not perfect. you are correct about the greed but that’s satan’s doing not god’s. keep the faith better times are coming with jesus as your leader . but first we will go through a great tribulation that will make ww1 and ww2 look like a walk in the park.

      • Angel Wannabe

        home boy, God promised to never again destroy the earth by a bibilical proportioned flood, thats all he said. Don’t or add ot retract.

        Genesis 9-11

        “I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be cut off by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”

        The rainbow is the sign of the covenant.

      • home boy

        read 2peter 3; 5-7

      • moonbeam

        God didn’t say he would never again destroy the earth. He said he wouldn’t destroy it with another flood. THIS time will be by FIRE!

    • Think about it

      To Don Sr., Home boy, Angel, Moonbeam.
      You are all correct in what you are saying, But there is only one thing trying to distroy Gods creation and thats Lucifer and his globilist war pigs (politicans), you see the globilist war pigs are doing his bidding with the belief that they will have the earth all to there self win its all over, Lucifer on the other hand knows the real outcome, and thats that God will never let his creation be distroyed, so Lucifer is trying to kill and distroy all he can before Jesus returns
      As the song say.

      Generals gathered in their masses
      Just like witches at black masses
      Evil minds that plot destruction
      Sorcerers of death’s construction
      In the fields the bodies burning
      As the war machine keeps turning
      Death and hatred to mankind
      Poisoning their brainwashed minds
      Oh lord yeah!

      Politicians hide themselves away
      They only started the war
      Why should they go out to fight?
      They leave that role to the poor

      Time will tell on their power minds
      Making war just for fun
      Treating people just like pawns in chess
      Wait ’til their judgement day comes
      Yeah!

      Now in darkness world stops turning
      Ashes where the bodies burning
      No more war pigs have the power
      Hand of God has struck the hour
      Day of judgement, God is calling
      On their knees the war pig’s crawling
      Begging mercy for their sins
      Satan laughing spreads his wings
      Oh lord yeah!

  • Nicholas Miscusi

    Ron Paul 2012!

  • Dagger

    The system is broken and a broken system cannot repair itself.
    However, there is a new system coming that is NOT based on GREED.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Dagger_ :)

    • DaveH

      Do you mean like Socialism, The system which people Greedy for other peoples’ money have promoted for more than a hundred years and has yet to produce anything but Poverty?

    • JC

      I this new system has as part of its design the abilty to steal from people what is rightfully theirs, then it will be a system of immorality and corruption. Some call it Socialism.

    • MNIce

      Yes, but the world will literally end right before that happens. No kidding, a one-time event with 100% probability.

  • guest

    The corruption in our country is everywhere..from the D.E.A. to the FDA to big banks and corporation’s to pharmceutical companies and the White house. I have alway’s been a republican until bush was president.I thought i would vote anyone other than obama but looking at those republican candidates..my heart is in my throat.everyone of them seems inept and silly. I feel Romney is being ‘groomed’ by the ‘ruling elites’.Obamacare was patterned after romneycare and is an atrocity. That man gives me the willies as he will say anything to get elected just as obama.

    • DaveH

      For Individual Liberty, Free Markets, Personal Responsibility, Limited Government, and Peace, Vote Libertarian!
      http://libertarianparty.org/

  • Michael J.

    Hello Bob, and thanks for the sumation of attrocities. Just thought I would add a few.

    I was, as you say shocked, when so many blind individuals were convinced to vote for this imposter. Hoodwinked by mass media cattle calls of “Hope and Change” while never even questioning what the phrase even meant. Pulling the lever on a rascal whose middle name was “Taboo” and un-mentionable.

    Well I hope they are satisfied with what they got in Barack Obama and his administration who have launched an unprecedented attack on capitalism, The Constitution and America’s freedoms.

    For starters, his unconstitutional atrocity of Obamacare needs to be defunded and destroyed. TSA intrusions have turned the country into a police-state. His FCC is working to destroy free speech in America. And now, the Internet is under attack by Hollywood and Senator Dick Durbin, who want to tax online activities and purchases, and enact crushing regulations on websites.

    Gas prices have soared under his administration because he has no energy plan, and he will not allow us to drill here in America. He has pushed amnesty for illegals and had his Department of Justice sue Arizona and Alabama for enforcing their illegal immigration laws while creating a new nationwide hotline for illegals to thwart the effects of such laws.

    His “Science Czar,” John Holdren, was found to be providing U.S. technology to China’s space program-and Obama is stonewalling the investigation. He is refusing a U.S. House subpoena relating to the Solyndra scandal. His Department of Justice is not cooperating with Rep. Issa’s efforts to get to the bottom of the “Fast and Furious” operation.

    Jobs are gone. The economy is sinking. Government spending is out of control. At every turn, Obama is spending and regulating this country into socialism. The administration that promised to be the “most transparent” has turned out to be the most corrupt.

    While most people now understand and agree that Obama is taking this country in the wrong direction (a bottomless abyss), they attribute the mess to inexperience and incompetence. When in fact, all is proceding as planned to the Rothschild mandate to be continued with their next POTUS installment of Romney or Gingrich.

    • Robert Smith

      Michael J. says: “For starters, his unconstitutional atrocity of Obamacare needs to be defunded and destroyed. ”

      Really… And for those of us who even with company health care are being wiped out by high prescription costs, high service costs, and some accented voice denying so many kinds of health care on the phone…

      Just what are we supposed to do? Die? That solves the problem of overpopulation nobody who advocates such can call themselves “pro―life.

      Rob

      • Angel Wannabe

        Robert,__I love you folks who play God!__All I can do is laugh out loud, God said “go and be let there be multitudes as the stars”

        You Libs have mananged to pick the part of Society who is the most vulnerable and the least who has the ability to fight back, which is a tiny baby relient on its Mother for survival until birth.
        When you think that tiny life is irrelevent or insignifigant, you agree to kill it through abortion__You’ve numbed and dumbed us down and we’ve allowed it, but not anymore!_

        Do you hear laughter Pharoah, there is humdreds and thousands of us laughing at you now?

        Say whatever you think, we know who’s in charge here and its not man kind!

        YOur rhertoric isn’t working anymore, so AGAIN, move along….

      • NC

        IT’S STRANGE THAT YOU MENTION A PHARAOH IN YOU TIRADE AGAINST LIBERALS FOR KILLING INNOCENT CHILDREN. GO TO YOUR BIBLE IN EXODUS AND SEE WHAT YOUR GOD DID TO INNCOCENT CHILDREN TO BRING HIS WRATH DOWN ON THE PHARAOH FOR NOT RELEASING THE JEWS! HE WENT DOOR TO DOOR KILLING THE FIRST BORN OF EVERY EGYPTIAN.
        WHY KILL INNOCENT CHILDREN JUST BECAUSE HE WAS PI$$ED AT THE KING?? WHAT DID THEY HAVE TO DO WITH THE PROBLEM?? AND BEING A GOD WHO COULD PART A SEA WHY DIDNN’T HE JUST MENTALLY TRANSPORT THEM OVER TO THE PROMISE LAND GOD WANTED TO DO IT THIS WAY SO CHARLTON HESTON WOULD HAVE A JOB.

      • Angel Wannabe

        NC, What God does/did is up to him!_-Its entirely up to you whether you wannabe believe it or not__Most times however atheists/agnostics are those who know the bible well, but are disgruntled egotists who don’t like what they’ve read!

      • DaveH

        No, Robert, don’t die. Instead, do some studying and start learning who the real bogey men are.
        Unless of course you are one of them. Given the fact that you’ve been hanging around here plenty long to have learned some reality, my bet is that you are one of them.

      • Michael J.

        Robert Smith,
        You’re wrong, I am pro-life, except when it comes to yours.
        Besides, when it comes to death, hasn’t your Wiccan philosophy found a way around it?

      • FreedomFighter

        What a filthy liar you are Mr Smith, change your sig to Wormtongue.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • JC

        The problems you describe Robert are a direct result of Corporate / Government Cronyism…and you think the solution is “more” Government?
        No sir, the solution is get the Government out of the Medical Biz and vice versa. Let the Medical companies “compete” for your dollar and punish any kind of price fixing with severe penalties.
        Mind you, this would require a system of actual Justice.
        We need one of those too.

      • Carlucci

        Maybe if everyone ignores “Robert Smith” he will go away. He is obviously a plant from the other side.

      • JC

        Actually I think “plants” have a higher IQ. ;)

      • Carlucci

        :)

      • Old Henry

        Hey there Carlucci:

        What kind of plant? Possibly a Blooming Idiot?

        (I hope your being here is not a bad sign and that you are on your lunch break.)

      • Carlucci

        Hello Old Henry – !

        No, I’m not on a lunch break. I was lucky enough to be off work today because our office was closed. Actually, I’ve had paid time off since last Thursday, and of course it went way too fast – ! Gotta go back tomorrow, but that’s okay because I like the job and my co-workers. Hope all is well with you and yours. Before I forget, my mom sent me this link – it is wonderful. Hope you and others on this list will enjoy it:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x91rBzNKvlc&NR=1

        RON PAUL 2012 – !!!

      • JeffH

        Carlucci, good to “see” your smiling :) face on here.

      • NC

        I AM SURE YOU WOULD LOVE FOR ROBERT SMITH TO GO AWAY! HE IS A TOUGH DEBATER AND KNOW HIS STUFF. WHY DO CONSERVATIVES DESPISE AND FEAR PEOPLE WHO QUESTION THEIR MOSS-BACK HIDE-BOUND 17TH CENTURY POSITIONS.
        I HAVE BEEN ON A NUMBER OF SITES AND I HAVE NEVER HAD ONE CONSEVATIVE -NOT ONE- TO FURNISH ANY FACTS OR FIGURES TO PROVE THAT THEY ARE BETTER AT MANAGING OUR FREE MARKET SOCIETY THAN THE DEMOCRATS. DO YOU HAVE ANY? THERE IS AN OLD SAYING THAT “THE STOCK MARKET LOVES THE DEMOCRATS”. THAT MIGHT BE A CLUE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME TROUBLE FINDING THOSE “FACTS AND FIGURES” TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIM THAT DEMOCRATS RUIN THE ECONOMY.

      • Carlucci

        NC – I have no idea what you are talking about. “Robert Smith” a tough debater? You must be kidding. Obviously you are another plant, too. America is on the highway to hell, thanks to democrats and RINOs. Please spare us your half-baked bullsh**.

      • libertytrain

        Carlucci – no kidding. All he ever says is about acorns and how he hates Christians. I don’t see that as intellectual debate either…

      • JC

        NC says:

        January 2, 2012 at 7:41 pm

        I AM SURE YOU WOULD LOVE FOR ROBERT SMITH TO GO AWAY! HE IS A TOUGH DEBATER
        _____________________________________________________________
        I for one don’t want him to go away. He’s an idiot and he provides a perfect platform to refute idiotic Liberal thinking.
        I mean not having him here would be like going to the gun range and having no targets! ;)

      • Think about it

        Speaking of justice, did you guys here that Eric Holder wants the UN to over see our election now, yeah i know, None dare call it Treason, by the way thats a book you should look for.

      • MNIce

        Robert, you offer a false choice. The problem is we have too much health insurance, not too little. Let’s imagine we had “fast food insurance” policies, paid by our employers or government, to cover the price of our restaurant meals whenever we don’t have time to cook. How long do you think it would take for the price of hamburgers or fried chicken chunks to cost $50 per serving? That’s exactly what has happened in the medical business due to government interference. First, government pushed employer-based health insurance via illegal social engineering tax codes (by allowing a measly 1% deduction on your cost of keeping yourself healthy enough to work, while letting your employer deduct all of his cost if he bought your health insurance). Next, government told the poor people they didn’t have to worry how much it cost to have a doctor put band-aids on the children’s owies because the Medicaid money tree would pay for it all. Then the government promised that Medicare would remove the financial burden of caring for older relatives from families. Government payment for health care is a false promise, because the bills are simply repackaged as national debt and passed on to the children and grandchildren. Consequently, just like a $4 hamburger would go to $50 with government-promoted fast-food insurance, a $20 laceration stitch job now costs $900+ with government-promoted health insurance.

        Before the Federal government stuck its clumsy paws into the works, people would help out their poorer neighbors with catastrophic medical expenses, and care providers would do their best to accommodate those who could not pay the full cost. Hospitals and clinics were often rather plain and simply built for functionality, not like the almost gaudy facilities we see now. And prices were relatively quite a bit less than they are now.

        I propose the following reforms:
        1. Fair treatment under the tax code. Keeping yourself healthy enough to work is a legitimate cost of doing business, so medical expenses should be fully deductible from income for tax purposes.

        2. Open up the health insurance market. Allow people to purchase health insurance across state lines to avoid unreasonable coverage mandates that drive up costs. This will let people choose the amount of risk they want to accept, and give them an incentive to demand reasonable pricing.

        3. States should require open publication of pricing by hospitals and other health care providers. It is not right that patients can only find out how much something costs after they’ve bought it.

        4. There is a serious need for reform in health care provider regulation. For example, there are supposedly regulations against a patient bringing in his own medication to the hospital, but it costs as much as ten times more for the hospital to administer that same medication from its own pharmacy.

        5. People need to treat health care costs as if they are paying them personally. To do otherwise is to cheat whoever is footing the bill. This applies to prevention as well as to purchase of medical goods and services.

        6. We’ve heard a lot of complaints about the cost of pharmaceuticals and medical devices. TA huge share of the pricing is for the “FDA-approved” paperwork. I suggest we permit private competition to the FDA – let consumers look for private underwriter approval, just as we now have UL, CSA, or VDE approval for electrical equipment. If it works for keeping electrical equipment safe, why should it not work for medicine?

        No, Robert, it’s not a choice of government-mandated insurance or death. Get your head out of that tiny box, it makes you look illogical.

      • Think about it

        Under Obamacare thats just what you wil do is die, you will become an organ donor, its called a death panel, and yes it is part of the NWO’S plan to solve the problem of overpopulation.

      • JC

        Robert Smith says:
        January 2, 2012 at 8:42 am
        Michael J. says: “For starters, his unconstitutional atrocity of Obamacare needs to be defunded and destroyed. ”

        Really… And for those of us who even with company health care are being wiped out by high prescription costs, high service costs, and some accented voice denying so many kinds of health care on the phone…
        ___________________________________________________________
        Big Pharma: The single largest lobby in DC.
        Figure it out, the GOVERNMENT is entirely complicit in driving these costs through the roof. MORE GOVERNMNT is NOT the answer, Moron!

    • karel Eekels

      Agree and can relate to everything said here including comments made by other contributors.

      We are at the tipping point between democracy and tyranny. To sum this up, in the eyes of the US body politico “we the people” have become subjects and well on the way to become children of the proletariat, and finally some of the “we the people” are waking up and are tired and become aware of being bullied and lied to by these elite politicians in Washington D.C.

      Putting party affiliation on the way side, politicians and diapers have one thing in common, they need to be changed frequently, and this for the same reason, and this is our only and last chance for us to cast our ballot, come November 2012. Also, what needs to happen is that a massive assault needs to be put in place against the elite propagandist media. Good and responsible journalism has ceased to exist.

      Not difficult to understand is that fiscal responsible policies work, and that the train demolition Keynesian monetary policy path is nothing more than an illusion. By now, if it is not too late, we ought to be able to learn from the perils of a welfare state by looking at Greece, Italy and yes, several other European countries that are on the verge of collapse and speculate to be rescued by other nations and the IMF with phantom created monies that have no base or do not exist. (Printing new/fresh money, debasing currencies leads to deflation, inflation and finally hyperinflation) . Study the Austrian school of economics and people will come to a quick awakening. Unfortunately, our left wing socialist closet Keynesian politicians do not understand the meaning of discipline and so play lip service to the Austrian school of thinking and keep falling back and bring on line new artificial rescue packages.

      Earlier, Bob made mention and suggested for concerned US citizens to keep gold, silver or other currency denominations in a foreign country as a safeguard. Here is my question:- Responsible law abiding US citizens that follow the IRS tax code are subject to global income which means that we have to declare assets & holdings outside the US. What good does it do when these assets and/or proceeds thereof get taxed away anyhow?

    • NC

      MICHAEL J. WHY DO WE NEED TO DRILL ANYMORE TO ACCUMULTATE FUEL TO EFFECT GAS PRICES? FUEL IS NOW THE NUMBER ONE EXPORTED ITEM IN THE USA. THE OIL COMPANIES ARE EXPORTING 117 MILLION GALLONS OF GASOLINE, DIESEL AND JET FUEL A DAY FROM THIS COUNTRY TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES.DON’T WE SUBSIDIZE THEM TO PRODUCE AFFORABLE FUEL FOR THIS COUNTRY. I’M SURE ALL WE NEED TO DO IS NOTIFY THE REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED HOUSE TO PASS A BILL TO END THOSE SUBSIDIES AND THEY WILL JUMP RIGHT ON IT! YEAH, RIGHT!!NEVER MAKE IT OUT OF THE REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED COMMITTEE>

      • Sirian

        Hummm, didn’t you say this before NC? Or am I just seeing double? Need I answer?

      • NC

        THE FIRST THING THEY TAUGHT ME IN THE MARINE CORP WAS THAT THERE IS ALWAYS 10% THAT NEVER GETS THE WORD SO I REPEAT MYSELF ON OCCASION ESPECIALLY WHEN ADRESSING CONSERVATIVES WHO ARE SO DEEP INTO DENIAL THAT THINGS TEND TO GO RIGHT OVER THEIR HEAD>LIKE WHO REALLY WRECKED THE ECONOMY AND JUST HOW BAD IT WAS WHEN OBAMA TOOK OFFICE>’ I BELIEVE I DIRECTED THIS TO MICHAEL J BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD OTHER THAN COUNTING TO TWO FEEL FREE TO ADD YOU COMMENT ON THE REAL ISSUE. DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO SUPPLY A SUBSIDY TO HELP US HAVE AFFORDABLE FUEL TO COMPANIES THAT EXPORTS FUEL?

      • MNIce

        NC, we import crude oil, refine it and export some of the products. We also export crude oil from Alaska to Japan because our left coast regulators won’t allow refineries to be built there, and the financial and environmental costs of running it all the way around to Texas are prohibitive. Meanwhile, we don’t produce enough oil in the United States to satisfy our own demand, let alone that of our foreign refinery product customers, so we import from Canada, Venezuela, Brazil, the British North Atlantic fields, the Middle East, and who knows where else.

        If it doesn’t make sense to you to be exporting oil and importing it at the same time simply because of government regulations, then there is hope for you yet.

  • CHP

    Labor is the foundation of any country’s economy. We have spent 3 decades destroying the earning power (and consequently the consuming power) of American labor, so they can no longer afford to support a large prosperous middle class.

    • Robert Smith

      Yes CHP, it’s called “Trickle Down.”

      We are now finding out what is really trickling down.

      Rob

      • DaveH

        No, Robert, it’s called Big Government. Something which you Liberals want to grow even larger.
        In the 1950s, Government (all) spent 24% of our GDP. And things were just fine. Not as good as they could have been with even smaller government but certainly as good or better than now.
        Now, Big Government spends 40% of our GDP.

      • Ted Crawford

        Good post Dave. The alternative to trickle down prosperiety is trickle up poverty.
        The liberals even understood this. “A tax cut means higher family income and higher business profit and a balanced Federal Budget… Prosperity is the real way to balance our budget” John Kennedy
        They even understood the danger of the Government regulators. “You [should] not examine legislation in the light of the benifits it will convey if properly administrated, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harm it would cause if improperlt administered” Lyndon Johnson
        Unfortunitly for the Nation the Democrat Party has been almost completely overtaken by the Progressive arm!

      • Mike W.

        Keep in mind that about half of that 24% was attributed to the Cold War. There was also no deficits on all levels of government and postage was only 3 cents! Inflation wasn’t even on the radar screen, too during most of the 1950′s. Gasoline was 20 cents a gallon throughout the entire decade and a 6 1/2 ounce bottle of Coca Cola was still a nickle, a price that actually was set back in the 1940′s.
        Those were the good ole days!

  • HDMania

    Forgot to mention..the dealers call it junk silver..

  • HDMania

    Mary..as Bob stated when the money is no good you need to have gold or silver..for bartering and everyday things buy silver bags of dimes,quarters and maybe a few silver dollars..smaller demoninations are always good..pre 64 silver coins is what you want..

  • Elia

    Another reason why Americans go bankrupt is because the USA medical system + insurance costs are horrendous compared to those of other countries, hence one unexpected major catastrophic illness or accident can destroy you financially.

    • Robert Smith

      Yup. And for other countries their employers don’t have to pay for health care so their products are cheaper in America where employers do have to pay and pay and pay…

      Rob

      • DaveH

        Who pays for their health care, Robert? Santa Claus?

      • FreedomFighter

        All those countries are going belly up — bankrupt. Except Canada with its oil reserves is holding its own, oil runs out, they will go way of the rest.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • NC

        Thank goodness we have plenty of oil! Fuel is now our number 0ne export. 117 million gallons a day we EXPORT!!!! I see no reason to continue the 70 billion a year subsidy TO THE OIL COMPANIES! Try getting a BILL TO CUT THE SUBSIDY OUT OF COMMITTEE IN A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED HOUSE.

      • DaveH

        There should be NO subsidies to people or companies of people. It is not Government’s money to give, and their meddling just creates malinvestment leading to booms which are followed by busts. We need to get our Government out of the Marketplace. They are Politicians, not Investment gurus. It’s time that the people realize that.

      • Joe

        Wrong! In order for employees to be able to afford the taxes they have to pay to support the government healthcare, employers have to pay higher wages. In the UK the minimum wage is equal to $5/hour more than it is here so that low wage workers can still afford to pay the taxes for healthcare and support a family, so the employer ultimately DOES pay for the cost of healthcare by being made to pay higher wages.

      • Joe

        And what’s more, at least when the employer is paying directly for healthcare, they can choose many different plans to get what’s best for both the employee and the company. When government runs it, there is only one choice and one price. No competition.

    • Mike W.

      It’s also people not living within their means. As far as bankruptcies due to medical costs, the figure is around 20%. I know because I check these figures everyday with the U.S. Federal Bankruptcy Court here in Southwestern Ohio everyday. The asset to liability ratios will knock you dead, by the way!

    • DaveH

      Forty years ago, Health Care was very affordable. What do you suppose happened between then and now, Elia?

      For those who want to get a clue. Note that this article was written BEFORE the additional regulations that come with Obama Care:
      http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa527.pdf

      • Mike W.

        Dave, back in the 1950′s, you could pay for most of your health care needs out of pocket. I know because I lived through that era. Most insurance policies were relegated to major surgery, rehabilition, long term care, etc. I remember going to the occulist with my grandma and seeing her pay for the examination and eyeglasses in cash. No paperwork, claim forms, etc. Also, back then the physicians would work with their patients if there was a problem making payments.
        That all changed in the 1960′s. Government intervention, more items covered by insurance, technological advancements, innovative drugs, increased litigation, physician/nurse shortages,new facilty construction, malpractice premiums, etc. have all contributed to this mess. And yes the human factors, mismanagement, greed and the lack of personal responsibilty for own’s own health should be considered for good measure.

      • DaveH

        My wife had a Cesarean back in 1972 for $400 out the door. Even compensating for inflation, a person could come nowhere near that now.

      • Angel Wannabe

        DaveH, I remember those days when a Doctors visit was $10 and our Doctor even made house calls if you were too sick to come to the office, when I was a kid.

      • moonbeam

        Same here, Angel. The doctor came right to the house with his little black bag. No blood draws. Just good medicine and in a couple of days all was well. Remember Father John’s syrup? That stuff cured anything, plus some good old homemade Italian wine.

        My grandfather(when he was just a young boy) had his tonsils yanked while sitting in a chair! Cost a few dollars. LOL!

      • Angel Wannabe

        Ya know what moonbeam, ALL our ancestors lived to have us didn’t they?__So my way of thinking when TSHTF and this all goes south, those of us who prepared, will survive it too!

      • NC

        I HAD A HERNIA OPERATION SOME MONTHS AGO. IN AT 6 A.M. OUT BEFORE NOON SAME DAY. HOSPITAL BILL OVER $12,OOO.OO EXCLUDING SURGEONS FEE.
        HAD INSURANCE,THANKFULLY. SURE HOPE GOD WILL KEEP THOSE WHO CAN’T AFFORD INSURANCE FROM NEEDING MAJOR SURGERY SO THEY WON’T LOSE THEIR HOMES AND CAN CONTINUE TO FEED THEIR CHILDREN.YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HELP THE LESS FORTUNATE. WAIT A MINUTE WE HAVE SOMTHING LIKE THAT! I FORGOT!”THEY” WANT TO DO AWAY WITH THAT PROGRAM. SORRY FELLOW THERE GOES YOUR HOUSE> THE HOMELESS SHELTER IS JUST DOWN THE STREET. PITY YOU WEREN’T BORN WEALTHY ENOUGH TO KEEP UP WITH THE SKY ROCKETING COST!!

      • http://deleted Claire

        DaveH–In 1960 when I had my daughter, it cost $98—a year and a half later when I had my son it was $150.

      • DaveH

        NC,
        The progressives and all their feel-good regulations have created this condition. Why do you think more government is going to cure the problem?

      • Walt

        My wife recently had a stroke (brain bleed) and was in intensive care for 9 days. The total hospital bill was $93,000. She had insurance, and the insurance company paid the hospital in full only $26,000, as their agreed contract. We paid the deductible plus the $800 for the 3 mile ambulance ride.

        With no insurance, the hospital would have demanded the entire $93,000 from us. Lots of angiograms, CT scans, rediculously priced medications, excessive visiting doctor and “consultants” charges, therapists, special equipment. It was a “Rainmaker” for the hospital.

        In actuallity, to me it seemed more like a feeding frenzy of sharks, frantically consuming a whale carcass.

      • Karolyn

        In actuality, anyone can negotiate with a hospital just like he insurance companies. It is also a fact that they have to take whatever kind of monthly payment you are able to make. An insurance salesman told me this years ago. A friend of mine had an operation a couple of years ago and had no insurance. He approached the hospital to discuss the bill, and they settled for about 10% of what the bill had originally been. He was amazed. However, had they persisted, they would probably not have gotten a whole lot anyway because he is only employed part time and has a very low income. I have had a surgeon give me a break after a minor procedure. People get too upset over numbers, which can always be changed.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Walt, One of my Mothers procedures was new in the 80′s, only performed on those with MS__she was in danger of a leg amputation, which at 70 pounds, would have never survived it, this procedure costs I believe was 361,000, blood dialysis. It bought her time and the leg and lived for another Ten years.
        __On another note__ during the Depression Era, when my Mother was in the Presbyterian Hospital In Philly, at the age of 11, WAS THERE for a solid year.
        Her doctor, a Dr. Beardwood broke both knees and casted them, and taught her how to walk again, after being frozen in a sitting position for 6 months.

        His services and the total hospital bill were nulled and voided. My Grandparents never had to pay a thing___ THAT IS_ the Grace & Mercy of God!

      • http://deleted Claire

        It is a feeding frenzy bewteen the doctors and the hospitals. My husband has been in the hospital 4 times since the end of October–Before that, numerous operations and the costs were unbelievable. Thank God we had sufficient insurance. My husband is still alive and for this I am grateful. My advice to people approaching old age, be damn sure you have a supplement. The hospitals here don’t cut anyone any favors. I have noticed one thing–my husband’s primary care physician is from India and she always refers my husband to Indian doctors. He has only one American doctor, one German doctor and the rest are Indian.

      • Robert Smith

        Posted: “His services and the total hospital bill were nulled and voided. My Grandparents never had to pay a thing___ THAT IS_ the Grace & Mercy of God!”

        Or today for thousands of kids the Shriners’ Hospitals and Burn centers.

        You can check it out at: http://www.shrinershospitalsforchildren.org/en/ReferAPatient.aspx

        Rob

      • Buddy

        Healthcare (which is medical care) has been essentially free for most USA citizens simply because other people paid though insurance premiums or by “medicare” and “medi-aid”. When something is free, people will grab it. Thus, demand has skyrocketed and in accord with supply and demand actions, costs have skyrocketed.

      • Walt

        Free healthcare? Other people paying for it?

        That’s good to know. I’m going to demand a rebate of all the premiums that I paid through my company insurance program and demand that my company return all the group healthcare premiums that they paid on my behalf, as part of my “benefit package”. LOL

    • JUKEBOX

      When Obama said “If you like what you have, you can keep it”, he neglected to add the caveat: “IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT”.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Elia, Been there did that!__My Mother was 24/7 care almost 15 years.
      I took care of here!___Our house was up on foreclosure list several times during that time, but ya know what, we’re still here to bitch about it and still in the smae house!___ I’m happy to say I never put my Mother in a home for someone else to care for, just because of money!__I’d do it again if needs be.__and on another note__ if you think by having all your ALL your ducks in a row in life is gonna save ya, well YOUR DEAD WRONG__ sometimes ya gotta roll with the punches!

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    You guys who voted for obummer how do you like your change now?

    • Robert Smith

      The “change” has been that the right wing has become even more entrenched and rigid.

      Sadly they are supporting the 1% and “trickle down” voodoo econoomics has had 30 years to be proven wrong.

      30 years and I’m being told I need to work harder because the 1% has all the money.

      Rob

      • Angel Wannabe

        Robert Smith, Hey bud we’ve moved from defending the right left paradigm, to battening down the hatches__ I realize your paid to stir the pot, but pehaps another career is in order__Move along now….

      • FreedomFighter

        Yes Angle, This one follows the playbook almost word for word, We can all just skip over his posts because its all been said already by the likes of Flashy, Eddie47 and the ilk like them.

        The one I find most annoying is clarence swinnery, that guy has a auto – cut and past system going where he picks sentences and the program strings them together and pasts them in. They usually make no sense and are jus simple data compilations. I call it Clarences BS shotgun.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Angel Wannabe

        Freedom fighter, Agree with all you said!_ I’m to the point that I’m so past this bickering of right and left, I get sick of it_ and why I’m not on here agruing about it all the time anymore, it just gets old!

      • Lastmanstanding

        it is quite entertaining…

      • eddie47d

        So true Angel but the attacks against the left continue unabated so few have given up the left/right paradigm. Now Freedom Fight wants to shut out my opinion yet in the article on Ron Paul he supports going to war against Iran. So you have those on this site who claim to be Libertarians yet take an opposite view of Ron Paul’s. Which to me means they are standing with the RINOS.

      • JeffH

        As usual eddie gets so wound up he can’t see straight. eddie, you twisted what Freedom Fighter said, which was to skip over those comments, not shut you up…it’s called freedom of choice…I suppose you believe everbody should be forced to read your jealous deleriums.

        FYI eddie, you champion the right/left pardigm.

      • Old Henry

        Angel:

        LOL! You certainly have a way of stating things…

      • Angel Wannabe

        Old Henry, well, I’ve never been accused of being timid, if the dog craped on the floor, then he did, no maybies, or blaming the cat for it! :)

      • JeffH

        OH, yepper! :) Angel

      • Falcon

        You are absolutely right Robert. But you will never convince a right winger as they are effectively brain dead when it comes to the failed “trickle down”, “voodoo economics” of their messiah Ronnie Raygun. They still think it will work although it has proven that it won’t every single time it has been tried. But, every time it has been tried, it has contributed to measurable declines in the financial power of the middle class while increasing that of the rich.

        “Trickle Down” has never created jobs since the associated tax giveaways to the rich have nothing to do with demand for products and services. Investors invest because they see profit potential, not because they got a tax windfall… and when they do see profit potential, they will invest no matter what their tax rate is. The 99%, not the 1%, drive the needed demand.

        I am not advocating simply taxing the rich to get us out of this though. In the short term a return to at least pre-2000 tax code is needed. That part is pretty simple. We have been creating debt since Bush IIs tax code took effect and before that we were paying down debt while projecting a $1T surplus over the next 10 years.

        For the long term we need stronger laws favoring workers, giving them more power to negotiate wages and benefits. This will increase demand of course because the 99%, the ones who drive demand, will have more to spend. When that happens you can bet the investors will step up. You can also bet they won’t step up before then.

      • Sirian

        I’m sorry, can’t help myself, you really do like $3 bills, don’t you Falcon?

      • Robert Smith

        Explain to us how trickle down econimics has made things better for the middle class.

        Rob

      • http://alaskawallofshame.com Disabled War Vet

        I might be an old codger who has experienced the economics of 13 presidents but from my viewpoint trickle down economics was responsible for the economic boon that Bill Clinton falsely takes credit for and squandered in the end.
        It takes gradual progress over years to improve the economy which can be destroyed quickly with just a few bad policies.
        Business owners will not all simeltaniously start hiring until cripiling government regulations and taxation are suddenly and greatly reduced.

      • NC

        I DON’T QUESTION THAT REAGAN HAD THE STRONGEST ECONOMY OF ANY REPUBLICAN BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR STATEMENT THAT HE CREATED THE BOOM THAT CLINTON TOOK CREDIT FOR AND LATER SQUANDERED. THE REASON IS THAT THERE WAS A PRESIDENT BETWEEN REAGAN AND CLINTON AND IF THERE WAS A BOOM BUSHI BLEW IT. THERE IS AN ARTICLE IN fORBES MAGAZINE FROM 2004 ENTITLED “PROSPERITY AND THE PRESIDENTS” THAT EVALUATED THE ADMINISTRATIONS OF THE 10 PRESIDENTS FROM TRUMAN THROUGH BUSH I ON THEIR NUMBERS IN 6 DIFFERENT ECONOMIC CATEGORIES. BUSH I RANKED DEAD LAST IN 4 OF THE 6 CATEGORIES AND DEAD LAST OVER ALL AMONG THE 10 PRESIDENTS.HE WAS LAST IN GDP,REAL DISPOSABLE PERSONAL INCOME. EMPLOMENT AND DEFICIT REDUCTION. FROM THAT IT WOULD APPEAR THAT MOST OF WHAT REAGAN HAD PRODUCED WAS SQUANDERED BY BUSH I BEFORE CLINTON BECAME PRESIDENT.

      • MNIce

        Falcon, you must have been sleeping the entire time from 1983 to 1991 – you missed out on one of the greatest economic expansions in US history, brought about in part by reducing the taxes on investment and the costs of some regulations. Perhaps you weren’t paying attention when Bill Clinton almost crashed the markets with his “new tax of the week” proposals in 1993-1994. Maybe you didn’t realize the important contributions the US House of Representatives made to the economy between 1995 and 1999, when they forced Bill Clinton to accept balanced budgets and welfare reform. (BTW, the Speaker of the House during that time was NOT a Democrat – I leave it as an exercise for you to figure out how that made a difference.). I did say “forced” – Bill Clinton did plenty of kicking, screaming, crying and whining until the laws actually worked, then he took credit for them.

        You also ignored the effects of the end of the Cold War (the so-called “peace dividend” on the one hand and the layoffs and restructuring of defense-related industries on the other), and the productivity revolution brought about by the personal computer and other applications of microprocessor technology.

        You seem to think everything that happens in the economy is the result of government actions. History shows that government attempts to drive the economy usually run it into the ditch sooner or later (Soviet Union, Great Britain pre-Thatcher, France, Greece and Italy multiple times), or cause a tremendous waste of resources and human suffering (Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Red China). Credit for the US “peace dividend” belongs as much to the people of Eastern Europe and Russia as anyone; they finally got up the nerve to tell their commissars to get lost. The microprocessor was developed by – surprise! – people working in capitalist enterprises using corporate money, not federal grants. Ditto for the light bulb, telephone, radio, television, automobile, and many other innovations we take for granted.

        Government generally impedes civilian innovation, either by taxing and regulating the profit out of it, or by diverting resources to its own ends, usually with a concomitant loss of efficiency. (For example, many small businesses that might otherwise expand are frozen at 19 employees by Obamacare’s punitive regulations for businesses with 20 or more workers.) There are two ways by which national economies grow: acquisition of resources via trade, exploration or conquest, or innovation leading to more efficient use of resources. The former is necessarily limited, especially if we do not produce something worth trading or are restricted from trading by government rules, are unwilling to mine and drill, and have proper moral concerns about seizing the property of other nations. Therefore innovation is all the more critical to our economy.

        A massive buildup of debt also impedes economic development, especially if the funds borrowed failed to produce an economic basis for repayment (mal-investment). This, unfortunately is the present case – the current administration has borrowed over five trillion dollars and has nothing to show for it. The money did not create new technology, as did the Apollo project. It did not build new, more cost-effective transportation systems; it only patched up some existing roads. What it did do is enable a lot of people to sit around idle longer (unemployment compensation) or engage in non-productive paperwork (government jobs) and otherwise purchase political favors. Even though it was for the most part wasted, it must be repaid with interest, and the only real source of repayment is the productive sector of the economy. That means resources must be diverted from business research, development and expansion to feed the inedible old pig in Washington.

        If this seems over your head, then please refrain from silly cracks about “voodoo economics” until you know what you are talking about.

      • Robert Smith

        It was Bush I who came up with the term.

        BTW, how’s things for the middle class these days? Trickel down hasn’t gotten down here yet, except for the wet part.

        Rob

      • JC

        Robert Smith says:
        January 2, 2012 at 8:35 am
        The “change” has been that the right wing has become even more entrenched and rigid.
        ____________________________________________________________
        Yeah, conservatives will do that in the face os a communist onslaught.
        No surprises there.

    • JUKEBOX

      The only good change I see today is what I find on the ground in parking lots. Other than this change, everything else is a change for the worse. In general, many people seem to be more hateful and more prone to tell a lie, when the truth would suffice. In our community, and in communities across the nation, I see a change toward more divisive racism on both sides. “BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS”.

      • Robert Smith

        Do you mean like that Canping guy who predicted the end of the world?

        Wasn’t he a christian?

        Rob

      • JC

        I was thinking more along the lines of the Kenyan fellow who promised some change from Government largesse…isn’t he a communist?

    • Old Henry

      sean:

      Sorry to say, but as stated here by someone “The only difference between Bush and Obama is Obama has bigger ears and a better tan.”

      And I don’t think Juan would have been any different. He was a big promoter of the Hitler-esque NDAA.

    • Sol of Texas

      Sean — As I recall, the choices were: Obama (not my choice because he is a progressive (i.e., liberal fascist), McCain ( a guy who thinks “limiting” the amount of money individuals expend on behalf of a candidate prior to elections will somehow produce better elected officials — also not my choice — spent WAY too much time inside the beltway) and a small number of third party candidates (my choice was “Libertarian” Bob Barr after a few hard swallows).

      Obama and the legislature(s) could not stay elected were it not for the government school conditioning and we (collective) lemmings.

      Everyone who has observed the approaching calamity has (some for decades) been trying to persuade relatives, friends, colleagues, even strangers to turn away from economic dependence on the federal government.

      I am not sure what else can be done short of preparing to weather the coming storm?

  • Joseph

    its not our fault its stupid people that vote democrat.thas all tosay

    • Angel Wannabe

      joeseph, the two party system has been used to keep us, the American people divided and pre-occupied, both sides are a part of an evil two headed coin.

      • Ted Crawford

        The terms Democrat and Republican hold no more actual meaning in todays society than do the terms Whig or Tory! The important terms today are Progressive and Conservative! Beware the former and keep a tight control on the latter!

    • Old Henry

      Joseph:

      Angel and Ted are right on the money. However, I would say a two-headed SNAKE rather than coin.

      Look at how many traitorous “Republicans” voted for the NDAA. Even supposed TEA Partyers turned traitor.

      • Think about it

        Yeah, Like that lowlife trash Marco Rubio.

    • Dallas

      WOW Joseph… that is an intelligent contribution. It would be nice to see more people realize the Republican / Democrat thing is all part of this mess. Half the populus hates (politically speaking) the other and visa versa…
      Perfect scenario for keeping all of them… (our corrupt government officials) in power and continuing the sweet deal for themselves…. divide and conquer. Until the people realize this we are powerless to stop it, and we will pay a dear price.

      • Sirian

        Isn’t it amazing Dallas that so many people can’t or don’t want to see that we’re all being played by both sides – Democrats & Republicans. If people would simply wake up . Oh, I get it, it’s to simple. . . :/

      • Think about it

        Strange how 310 million people are being distroyed by 535.

  • mary ann amato

    How do we know what kinf of small coins to buy, Bob? Help.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear mary ann amato,

      Pre-1965 U.S. silver coins, also called junk silver. They will retain value because of their silver content and because they resemble the coins Americans are familiar with.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • http://NA Paul Hayward

        Right on Bob!! …learned numismatics (coin-collecting) while sitting on my grandfathers knee… All US coins above the nickel dated 1964 and before are silver. Many do not realize that the US Mint continued to put silver (apx. 35% silver content) in Kennedy half dollars until 1970, calling them “silver clad” – starting in ’71 they became “copper clad”, as the lower denomination coins had been since 1965. These “silver clad halfs” can occasionally still be found in circulation, and appear “white-ish” when viewed in a roll among the newer ones. For someone who has old jars of coins – also be aware that “war nickels” (the ones that bear a large “mint mark” over the dome of the Jefferson Memorial on the reverse side – printed from “41 to ’45) also contain some 35% silver, from when nickel was needed for the war effort. It is also worthy to note that pennies prior to 1982 are copper (newer ones are made of zinc) and as such, though lesser than silver, will retain value. Our copper clad coins are nearly worthless – the quarter contains (as compared to a real copper penny) about 1.75 cents ($00.0175) of copper and the half has about 3.5 cents worth – which I suppose makes it more valuable than paper money in the event of a monetary collapse.

    • Sirian

      Start keeping a close eye on the running price – spot price – of silver & gold. That alone will give you a bit of foreknowledge as to what direction things are heading. Bob was right, “junk silver”, very good to have on reserve as we could end up in a very strong “bartering” economy for a while. If you can afford it, bullion silver is also a good one to have. Gold – bullion or coin – has run up and out of many peoples range but that too would be a good one to get, if you can.

  • Deerinwater

    “Gradualism tricks the mind.” I question which is the most effective, “gradualism” or “self-Prophetic”, but hand in hand they are winning combination.

  • Angel Wannabe

    Bob, Great Article Bob!~ “We are having a debt collapse that will continue until the slate is wiped clean and a new system is put in place. Hopefully, it will be gold-based.”

    We are going to have a reset! Anyone who can’t or refuse’s to see the signs, either has been affected by Normalcy Bias or hoping the signs just go away, _they won’t_ not at least until after is all said and done.

    • Angel Wannabe

      BTW__Happy New Year Everyone!

      • Karolyn

        Happy New Year, Angel! I’ve always wanted to ask you why do you use underlines instead of dashes?

      • Angel Wannabe

        Karolyn, Habit! :)

      • Al Sieber

        Happy New to you all, we’ll be lucky if we have 5 months until the economy crashes.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Al S, Rumor has it that, they’ve been waiting til after the New Year, I guess we’ll see, won’t we….not sure anyone knows.

      • Al Sieber

        Well Angel, maybe it’s sooner then we think but first they need a war to distract us from what’s going on with the economy, maybe war with Iran Feb. or March? been working 24/7 to prepare for what’s coming.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Al, us too! :)

      • Ted Crawford

        Probably more like October Al. Closer to the election!

      • Old Henry

        Here is one more piece of the “puzzle” that has been put into place.

        http://teapartyeconomist.com/2012/01/02/obama-signs-the-ndaa-goodbye-4th-amendment/

        Al, why do you think it will come so soon? I kind of figured it would all depend on how Little Barry was doing int he polls. If it looked bad he would collapse the system late Sept. / early Oct. If it looked good I felt he would wait until early 2013 to cement himself in place.

        And Happy New Year to y’al.

      • Al Sieber

        You’re probably right Ted, Syria’s next in line.

      • moonbeam

        Al Sieber, we are already in Iran. But shush, it’s supposed to be a big secret so don’t tell anybody. Obummer knows all about it though.

      • Lastmanstanding

        All…to Al’s comment (5 months) May in chicago is the big g8 or 20 summit…Image what the security will be like in that place with all of those elites in one place…anything can/could happen.

        Just something to think about.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Lastmanstanding, I’d say that’d be a great time to ’roundem’ all up! :)

    • Pat

      You are right we need to stop spening & stop rewarding peo9ple for bad behavior. If you can not afford house car etc you work until you can. Now the government is giving free cell phones???

      • Karen

        Those free cell phones are for “illegals”, not American citizens!!!!!!!!!!! Taxpayers are always paying for illegals!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Jenasus

        Americans can get free cell phones too. One more way the government can control you.

      • ChristyK

        Maybe they are giving away free cell phones because they need everyone to have a cell phone. How else will they be able to track the citizens?

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Mach Daniel

    The reason why everyone is going bankrupts is because of ignorance!

    • Ted Crawford

      And Fear!

    • Buddy

      No, Mach, it’s ignorance overlaid upon high time preference (eating the seed corn now rather than planting it and waiting to harvest)!

    • JC

      Ignorance? Maybe…
      Maybe it’s because people are so overburdened by a voracious bureacracy that demands regulatory compliance on so many levels that there is little or no time left to actually generate the wealth required to meet the demands of the Federal Reserve’s collection agency, the IRS. No money, no profit = no point in trying.

      • Jagans

        Absolutely correct. When there are no “Perks” left for those who are willing to gamble all they own on a dream, there is no reason to take the gamble. Permit for this, permit for that, tax on this tax on that. The IRS and the beurocratic agencies have it all figured out so that you can no longer even make a good days pay for a hard days work, so why try? The porch monkeys sit on the front steps of their government provided house, drink wine and laugh at you while you work. Move over, and pass the bottle. Lets see how long it all lasts.

    • Lynn

      That’s not true, my x raked me over the rocks.

    • Marten, Canadian Libertarian

      yES Mach Daniel, Ignorance is not bliss it’s death…

  • s c

    Part of the answer to your question is very simple, Bob. That is, we’re doing what we’re supposed to do via the Washington ‘leadership’ that’s in office when the proverbial stuff starts to hit the fan. OK, readers, it’s your turn to finish the rest of the answer.

    • Robert Smith

      One of the reasons that there are so many failures among the 99% is that all the money is going to the 1%.

      It’s that simple.

      Rob

      • DaveH

        Who are the 1%, Robert?

      • JUKEBOX

        A lot of the 1% are sitting behind desks in the White House, Congress, and in many of the other imperial bureaucracies in DC, while falsely claiming they are ‘HELPING’ the 99%, and enriching themselves instead.

      • denniso

        Bob Livingston is,once again,pushing fear on people….why,for his personal gain or for the political gain of his fellow rightwingers? Is all just a push to regain power,the constant negativity and fear mongering on the economy?

        We were living in a bubble economy,unsustainable,and suffered a crash back to some semblance of ‘reality’. The crash stripped trillions of dollars from the economy and hurt the confidence of most people who were left w/ their jobs and lifestyle…so consummer spending fell,and it’s consummer spending that accounts for 2/3 of our economy. Then,for the past 3 yrs,in an obvious and blatant attempt soley aimed at just defeating obama,the rightwing has done all they can to spread fear and uncertainty rather than helping to get the economy to improve. Despite all that,the economy has improved for the past 2 yrs…job growth is up,unemployment is down,the stock market recovered most of it’s losses…yet,in a cynical and even traitorous way,the right continues to fight against an improving economy which is hampered by their resistance and negative diatribes and outright lying…about Obama,and the health of the economy.

        The vast majority of people still have jobs,and the wealthy still have their inordinate amount of wealth. I don’t imagine that Bob Livingston is suffering too badly,probably not at all.

      • DaveH

        More fabricated facts from Denniso.
        Consumers don’t cause recessions:
        http://mises.org/daily/3194

        The stock market “the stock market recovered most of it’s losses” says Denniso?
        On September 15, 2008, shortly before Obama was elected, the Dow Jones Industrials were at 11,388. That was down from a high of 14,093 less than a year earlier. As of today the Dow Jones Industrials are at 12,217, just 7% higher than in September of 2008, and still 13% lower than the peak in the early fall of 2007. But when you consider that the US dollar is now worth 30% less against the Canadian or the Australian dollars since Obama took office, the Dow Average looks pretty poor indeed.

      • DaveH

        These are the official Unemployment rates from the BLS:
        http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=LN_cpsbref3

      • eddie47d

        So the stock market is 7% higher now but that isn’t considered an improvement? Now that is fuzzy math! Back during the “heydays” the markets were artificially inflated with ponzi schemes and market manipulations.Housing was overpriced and so was the Tech Industry.The Banksters and Creditor/Lenders made a killing in that false economy which brought the collaspe down on us. The markets today are probably more in tune to reality although there are still a few ups and downs. Slow and steady is more of a blessing than the wild swings of yesteryear’s.

      • JC

        Are you taking into account that with “Trillions” of new dollars in play our currency is generally more worthless than at any time since the 30′s? Saying that the stock market is “up” by 7% can not be taken as a literal barometer when everything in the stock market has been correspondingly devalued, and propped up only with “paper tickets”.
        One needs to look at the “big picture” to see the actual effects of fiat currency.

        “Government is the only agency which can take a valuable commodity like paper, slap ink on it and make it totally worthless”
        Ludwig Von Mises

      • DaveH

        Can you read at all, Eddie?
        If the dollar is worth 30% less, the Dow should be worth about 30% more just to break even.

      • George

        This country has enjoyed incredible grow. Let’s be honest, World War II brought in the electronic age. Bell labs with government funding developed the transistor to make our war planes lighter and the envy of the world. Over 40 years we pushed the technology, but kept the advancements very well controlled. This keeps ROI on advancements high and kept the US as the technology leader. It also resulted in the wealth being shared by all Americans. With the cold war and Russia trying to keep pace, they just could not compete technologically. Who in Europe was going to buy a lame fighter from Russia when we lead the world with advanced avionics, only China at the time and a few other third worlds that couldn’t afford to drive a Cadillac bought Migs. In the Carter era IBM and a few others were working on the thing you are reading this on, the PC (PS2 to be exact). Well Reagan and congress with pressure from Industrialist (Maybe campaign incentive) made the decision that the technology would be better in the industrialist hands. They would advance IC and the world would be great. Surprise, it was and they did and the technology growth was fast and furiously. I can remember processor speeds and hard drive spaces doubling yearly. We made more electronic BS than you could shake a stick at and people were buying it. They were eating it up in Europe, in Asia, everywhere.

        Anyhow, even they found the technology plateauing again. But rich investors were not going to sit back and take dismal dividends, they wanted growth. That growth came in the form of “job creators” taking the technology and moving it off shore and cutting research and development in the USA. Oh, with jobs too! Had to create job somewhere didn’t they. Fortunately, this opened the door for two more businesses that also had exponential growth, software and the internet. This prolonged our technology ride. But these too faced the same economic pitfall and say good bye USA, hello India!

        FYI! If you hear a politician or Talk show host say “job creator” that means they create jobs in China at your expense.

        Fortunately we had enough wealth to ride this for a while and keep buying the same crap, but cheaper from China. We also created some real lame businesses that could ride the wealth train for a while. Eventually supply and demand economics kicked in and wages, like we had seen in the Bush days started to stagnate and go flat. Compound that with some unscrupulous people in the loan/investment industry doing some very crappy stuff (Housing Bubble anyone). That ladies and Gentlemen was the pinnacle, the start of the fall. At that point companies withdraw to save funds by cutting the one expense they can afford to cut, jobs! Voila, you have the biggest drop next to the depression and those suckers that bought overpriced homes not realizing housing can have a down, lose their jobs too! You have huge bankruptcies!
        Well guess what, it turns out China people are working dirt cheap (like $350 per person cheap). But with all the new jobs, wages are rising and the industrialists are now getting phenomenal growth. 1.4million people of growth and they are now requesting more “Jobs”(Yep, Ours)! They are also buying more junk. So why invest in good old USA.
        The good news is eventually the wages differential will balance out. My guess and a few I’ve heard are 15-20 years. In part because wages are rising in China and in part because people here will be hungry and will eventually work for peanuts. I don’t mean that metaphorically. Case in point we have run Mexicans out of the country who picked our crops. People here tried to do those jobs but found they could only make $25 / day and returned to collecting cans, paper and plastic because it paid better. The growers are now moving south of the border where the pickers are living. More jobs lost and now money they did spend in the US is gone. The Tennessee Governor (Tea Partier – strict immigration laws immediately) tried to get prisoners to pick the crop for the growers, but they just destroyed it on the farmer so he was out the wages and the product. Now the American truck driver, American owned packing house, distribution places are all suffering.
        The funniest part of all this, America started the electronic and internet age with government backing from Americans tax monies. But those with good connection in government are still profiting immensely while the rest of America grovels.

      • tyrdofnnsns

        Who the heck is this guy deniseo, or whatever the guys name is? He is obviously suffering from a acute case of left! And the obvious symptoms are a brain that has been ‘left’ far behind, and also is known to leave people unable to see what is right before their eyes, thus the disease is called LEFT… Caution, stay far from anyone suffering from this disease! It is contagous!

      • Lastmanstanding

        Exactly my quest to Dave…Who Rob?

        Let me tell you who it is…You see there names in the media every day. They are every bank you see mentioned on every damn day of every week…they are gm,ge, solyndra, etc.

        Rob…they are republicans and democrats that are elected and paid off..Both parties could give a rats ass about you and I yet you live in the left/right paradigm like an idiot unable to see that neither side has the damn answer…WTFU!!!

        i don’t have time to give you an old fashion lesson in history but the left (I’ll refrain from using democrats) is worse than the right in the so called 1% that you so often mention…where do you think that bushes, clinton, carter, and barry get all of their orders and money…the same f%$^&*g place!!!

        Folks…it’s 2012 and you’d better do your research and vote for freedom and a constitutional govt…we will be in for the fight of our lives in the not so distant future…to hide is to die.

        “don’t go down without one helluva fight.” …or live in tyranny.

      • dean behrens

        Couldnt of said it better

      • Marten, Canadian Libertarian

        AMEN

      • Lela

        Just reading what lots of you people are sayin is the very reason we are going to lose everything we have worked and died for since we began as the greatest country in the world..!!..all your debating is not going to be worth a damn in the end…as we sit here at our computer bashing each other…soo much is happening the you idiots have no clue about…At this very moment they are working on REWRITING our CONSTITUTION..!!..Do any of you care about that..??..Mr. LIvingston I couldn’t agree with you more but I have 4 grown daughters and they think I’m “over reacting”..I’m so worried and it’s not one of those things you later say. I told you so….It’s scary, unbelievable, unreal…But, the cold hard facts are in front of us and all we say is..Not America…no way…..People please listen…YES WAY….You will all care when no ones gives a crap as the muslims will be raping our women (in the name of Allah)cutting off your daughter’s,wife’s,sister’s mother’s head in the street of our once great country of America..Thanks…
        Lela
        Woodbridge, VA

      • JC

        Lela?
        The majority of conservatives here realize that the Constitution has been relegated to the sidelines for a very long time now.
        Those would be the same people who are armed to the teeth.
        Nobody is going to be cutting off anybody’s head…

      • jimmy the greek

        You are right !

      • Ted Crawford

        If what you are doing isn’t working, do something else!

      • Joe

        No, it is not that simple, you’re just that stupid to believe that 99%, 1% crap.

      • Peter T Hawk

        As a Canadian watching you folks to our south it is like living upstairs from a meth lab wondering when the folks in charge will do the inevitable and take us all out. You have one hope and that is Ron Paul. All of us share an immediate threat and that is economic terrorism and that has already been sanctioned from within on all of us by Fed policy to the point where the banksters now run our economy and our lives and have run the situation into the ground. How’s all that hopey changy thing been working for yas.

      • Michael J.

        Peter T Hawk,
        Scary, yet accurate analogy. Rest assured that U.S. creditors around the globe share your uneasiness and have one hand on pulling the plug.
        Best watch your assets.

      • Buddy

        Ron Paul’s policies are a possible solution to the potential (financial and warfare) bomb “downstairs. But remember, secessions of US states is a good probability according to some of the political gurus. If you’re in Alberta or B.C., set a good example for US.

      • Sirian

        Hummm, isn’t this unusual, Peter T Hawk has showed up not only here but on two other articles – DHS Tracks Facebook & R.P.Forecasts Military Conflict. The peculiarity is that it appears that he has copied and pasted the same comment on all three. Wonder why? Has anyone else noticed this?

      • Peter T Hawk

        Yes I did post that comment in three places.Because it applies in all three cases. The beginning was the disconnect between gold and money under Nixon in 1971- Then the glass steagall act was repealed courtesy of Bill Clinton in 1999 and finally in 2004 fractional reserves went from 1 for 12 to 1 for 40. Nostradamus was not required to predict the outcome. The true terrorists are the banking elite and the Fed who have bankrupted the good ol USA.

      • JC

        Good answer Peter T Hawk.

      • Jagans

        Thank You Peter. I keep saying that Ron Paul is the only way that we can start to make sense again in this country. Obama was a well spoken disaster. General Motors should never have been bailed out. All that did was perpetuate an american giant that simply could no longer compete due to its own arrogance and greed. The writing has been on the wall since the 70′s, they just would not read it.

      • FreedomFighter

        The money power and control are not going to the 1%, it is going to the 1/100th percent that control the banking cartels that control the mega-world-wide corporations – or GLOBALIST ELITE

        You know, the evil Lucys that want to kill 90% of the population and bring in the New World Order.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • JUKEBOX

        Revelation does predict that the “EVIL” ones will kill off 75% of the world’s population.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Jukebox, Agreed!, but are we in the middle of a true Bible Revelation, or a bunch of lunatics playing God and making it seem as though we are in Revelation, that’s the real question, and the REAL answer we who believe need to know?__Our time and Gods time are not the same, by any stretch of the imagination.

      • NC

        Is that from the same book that some of it’s greatest scholars have predicted from it’s language the end of the world thousands of times that NEVER happend? Who KNOWS what it means if anything??

      • FreedomFighter

        NC as crazy as this may sound to you:

        They the Globilsts whorship Lucifer and are working very hard to fullfill prophesy the way they see it. You can research it yourself.

        Be warned, it does not matter if you believe in god, are athiest, muslim or whatever, they believe in Lucifer the lightbringer and want to bring in the NWO for the anti-christ.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Angel Wannabe

        FFighter, Folks like NC, Flashy, Eddie, Clarence, Robert they know, they know whats going on and why, they’re pushing the elitest agenda while trying to push those still on the fence about what side they’re on,( which is why I don’t usually post back to them.) on to there side, its not left right amymore, were down to good vs evil__

      • moonbeam

        Actually, NC, we have been WARNED more than a thousand times that we are in the end of days. Make no mistake. No date has been revealed in the bible, but we have been explicitly warned the end is near. The signs are all around us. It hasn’t happened yet because the time has not yet come, but rest assured it is coming. Are you ready?

        Bible prophesy has always been and always will be 100% spot on.

      • vicki

        moonbeam writes:
        “No date has been revealed in the bible, but we have been explicitly warned the end is near.”

        No date has been revealed because the time is not that of the clock on the wall nor a count of the passing of days in a calendar. The time is when HIS creations have created the conditions that God chooses to intervene.

      • eddie47d

        Doesn’t Jesus have to return first and reign for one thousand years before God takes the world out(Armageddon). I heard that 2 weeks ago so I’m only stating an opinion. There also has to be a 7 year period where no women will bare a child then the Rapture will begin. We are not in any such period yet.

      • Flashy

        Angel…am I right in that you call us evil for taking the Far Right line of dogma and simplistic notions based upon fear and anger and relying on ignorance, and showing it what it is…a means by which Big Corporate America and the unscrupulous wealthy of gain enough support from the scared uneducated populace to exert and maintain the money siphoning, power growing control it has managed to garner in the past 30 years?

        And that to you makes us evil?

        Amazing …

      • Karolyn

        Also, eddie, the world cannot end as we know it until the word of God has been brought to ALL people. What of the tribes of people in the Amazon who have never seen a “white” man? What of the North Koreans who are so insulated they don’t have a clue as to what is in the outside world?

      • NC

        I TOLD EVERONE THAT ghw BUSH WOULD TRY TO PUSH THAT WORLD ORDER CRAP DOWN OUR THROATS. BEWARE THE skull!!!!

      • vicki

        Bush? BUSH? Didn’t he leave 2 or 3 years ago? I know that Obama likes to do the same things (times 10) but really, isn’t it time to give Obama credit for his work for the NWO?

      • grossyi

        Wow, you sure made it easy for us simpletons to understand. Before your brilliantly concise answer I thought people went bancrupt after spending more than they earned. I guess my living within my means is all for naught and that I should quit my job, start buying useless electronic gear on credit cards that have 20% interest rates. I appreciate the easy economics lesson. You make Hayek seem so long winded.

      • Jagans

        Thanks G, One of the statements my father used to use was “It aint the high cost of living that gets you, its the cost of living high”

        True yesterday, True today, True tomorrow

        What does upset me, however, is when a bank or financial institution jacks your well earned CC rate of 5 percent to 30 percent, and has no one to answer to for doing so. The problem with our government is that it always sticks its nose in where it is not wanted or needed, and never acts for the good of everyman.

    • DJ

      Bob has some very truthful information here. Spain has just raised taxes and enacted huge budget cuts, and this probably will not be enough to avoid the debt-cliff dive they are going to take, as I wrote about this in the following article. Will America end up like Spain. Yes if the Socialism-worship isn’t stopped immediately in America.

      http://conservativedailynews.com/2012/01/spain-tries-to-tax-its-way-out-of-the-current-depression/

      • NC

        DJ, I AM 76 YEARS OLD AND AS FAR AS I CAN REMEMBER THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN ACCUSED BY THE REPUBLICANS AND OTHERS OF BEING “SOCIALIST” WHO, IF ELECTED, WILL RUIN OUR COUNTRY. DURING THAT PERIOD AN ELECTED DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT HAS LEAD US TO VICTORY IN A WORLD WAR AND OUT THE OTHER SIDE AS THE NUMBER ONE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.SINCE THAT TIME 7 ‘SOCIALIST’ PRESIDENTS HAVE BEEN ELECTED AND WE ARE STILL THE NUMBER ONE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. WHEN ARE THE ‘SOCIALIST’DEMOCRATS GOING TO RUIN OUR COUNTRY??? REMEBER THAT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE TODAY BECAUSE SOME VERY INTELLIGENT ECONOMIST HAVE SAID WE WERE IN OUR SECOND WORST ECONOMY EVER EVEN BEFORE THE PRESENT DEMOCRAT TOOK OFFICE. MISES SAYS TRUE SOCIALISM ALWAYS FAILS. TAKE A LOOK AT “BULLS, BEARS, DONKEY AND ELEPHANTS” AND TELL ME WHERE THOSE FIGURES LINE UP WITH THE REPUBLCAN CLAIM THAT DEMOCRATS WILL RUIN THE AMERICAN SYSTEM????????????????????? REMEMBER THE ONLY THREE TIMES THE STOCK MARKETS HAVE ENDED IN THE RED AFTER AN ADMINISTRATION OF 4 YEARS OR MORE SINCE 1920 HAVE BEEN REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATIONS… WHEN DO THEY HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT MISERABLE RECORD IN JUDGING THE DEMOCRATS???????

      • David Weber

        I take it you are a communist. Cloward and Piven huh? Saul Alinsky floats your boat? Don’t you worry. You will get to enjoy your “utopia” before you die if Obama succeeds in “collapsing the system”. You do know what “progressive” means don’t you? LOL.

      • NC

        I think it means that they do better than conservatives! SEE ADMINISTRATION ECONOMIC FIGURES OF LAST 12 PRESIDENTS>HIGHER PROFITS FROM THE STOCK MARKET AND HIGHER WAGES FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS! IF YOU CAN FIND SOMETHING DIFFERENT PLEASE FORWARD IT TO ME! I’M WAITING!!

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