How about them shipping weapons over the border to Iraq and helping Al Qaida in the fight against our troops. And their president saying “Isreal should be wiped off the map” and they are trying to block the straight of Hormuz. Enough excuse for me!

That’s all bluster! Beside neither Iraq or Iran approved of al Qaeda.We need solid evidence not your hyped up excuses.

Only a globalist, fool or fanatic wants war.

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

A zionist cow!

I just reread my post and don’t se any mention of American occupation or even the “why they hate us” arguments. What I’m saying is that now, today, the Iranian government has stated in the clearest terms that if they had a nuke they would use it. To think that someone who says he intends to kill you is kidding or just engaging in puffery is naive at best, and quite possibly fatal at worst.

The US and Russia used that same language back in the 50′s against each other. It became mutually assured destruction and each side didn’t dare draw first. I certainly don’t want any nation to have nukes but Iran shouldn’t be threatened with a nuke attack either or even any type of war.

You do not understand them Eddie, the mind of the fanatic, they will if allowed do what they say.

Bath the world in blood, killing you me and everyone else.

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

You are a real frightening individual. There must be a couple dozen corpses with your name on it at least. I get goose bumps everytime I read one of your post and going by your name you must be a product of our excellent miltary complex. A real piece of work.

I scare you?

When you have an entire country of fanatics calling for your death and destruction, and I tell you about it, I scare you?

You missplace your fear, go hide under your bed now.

Better to be a product our Military, then a spinless fool.

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

Quit worrying about Iran and NUKES!!!! If they get real close to getting them AND launch capability, isreal would take them out in a heartbeat!!! They would have no choice!! It isn’t our business till they ATTACK US IN SOME WAY!!! The only problem WE have is that Abummer will send ships up the strait to show them how TOUGH we are and they will “attack” one of our ships!!! Anyone remember the Tonkin gulf incident????

With all our nukes They would be DEADER than any of us. We have plenty of over kill even if we dismantle half of them.

I dont promote or want war, but I cannot ignore a clear and present danger.

Ron Paul 2012

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

In the last debates Ron Paul has been swept up by the other canidtes.

Oh really and what debate was that?

Closer to the truth Brogan, all other candidates are scared shi*less of Ron Paul, including the lame-brained-media! And for good reasons. Ron Paul is the only one who has been consistent in regards to his common-sense policies, both domestic, and foreign. The same cannot be said for the rest of the wishy-washy, flip-flopping, two-faced, spineless, corporate-whores!

Perhaps some of these goofs need a trip to Dachau today to visually see what occurred there. It sure wasn’t make-believe…

It does if you don’t particularly like cabbage, no? Some dont like green eggs and ham!

What it sounds like to me,is that you have bitten into the candy coated male bovine fecal matter of academia/media.
First,let me say that I have brought up the Neville Chamberlain idea a time or two.Problem is that it isnt necessarily historically accurate to the degree which establishes appeasement.While situations are alike in many ways,Chamberlain was not required to go before Parlaiment before issuing a challenge to the League of Nations to restrain Hitler’s ability to build his war machine.
Clearly,Hitler had help from undisclosed avenues of backing.
These included what is now Iran and many other Arabic states,considering his views on Zionists,and the fact of their possibly coming back to what is now called Palestine.
Todays world is somewhat different since the dawn of the communication age.It is much harder to conceal your plans today,than it was in Chamberlains day.It would require a titannic effort(we all know and remember the Titannic,right?)to establish the infrastructure to become an engine such as Nazi Germany pre-world war two.Considering how the Iranians are out-gunned in every measurable way,including espionage,that is a seperate issue than Chamberlains appeasement which predated the 2nd world war.Taking a stab at the heart of a juggernaut only wwoks if you can defend afterward.They(Iran)have no such ability.What they do have is the chance to commit suicide.
And yet there is the possiblity of handing over a WMD to terrorists whom cannot be placed in a nation.But that is not a danger for a nation which is trying to cut its nuclear teeth.They will not likely give such a weapon away to any tom,dick,and harry group of mal-contents.After you fight so long to make one,would you just give it away?Seems unlikely.Moreover you would want to be sure that it could not be traced back to you,or the consequences are annihilation.
No nation wants to be annihilated.Even if it means crippling an enemy.
Only if you could be certain of their destruction would you risk it.
They could in fact be mad enough to try to destroy us,but since we are everywhere,that is highly unlikely.-CC.

Yes Eddie But it was to get the land that was stolen from Germany by the league of nations after WW-1 that was given to Poland , The checks were smart enough to give what they got in 1938 so they would not have to fight the Germans .

Eddie47, I have disagreed with you many times and agreed with you at times as well, you are right on the money in your comment. To take it further, why aren’t we in the same instance billing Irak. Bill them for the cost or at least sharing and participating in the cost of the war and repaying the American taxpayer. On the other hand, ok maybe in the form of selling our government oil to replenishing our national reserve directly without an intermediary, say for the same length of time of the duration of the war say, 10 years. If this does not work then have the companies that eventually get contracts with Irak offset the cost of our expenditures as taxpayers by either contributing to the repayment of the cost of the war to the American people’s treasury, or better yet set a max for the cost of gasoline they sell in this country. While we are at it, have Irak sell gasoline to the US Government at a set price for an agreed term for military and VA sponsored stations for all veterans and their families(maybe even through chains like Costco), making the oil company monopoly compete on the open market. Outlaw trading in options on commodities that would affect the national security of this country. Talk about a Rip Van Winkle Dream…..ZZzzzzz

So we destroy their country and they have to pay for reconstruction? You must have major in economy cause with this bussiness plan youll never go broke. Destroy some peoples country and then billed them to have it reconstructed, thats a good one.

You must have been in a time warp or a worm hole. we destroyed a despot and his malevolent dictatorship, gave them a choice for self determination with the ability to choose their own government. They are better off now then they have been for a century. They can now prosper from their oil wealth for the benefit of their people and not some maniacal despot and his scheme to rule the region. It works for me. Someone needs to come up with a Return on our investment, not to mention more importantly the loss of our men and women. What do you propose?

And o yes did I mention we are spending billions for reconstruction. Its good that you have a coined smart Alec comment how about an answer….

Agree with your overall assessment short of congress having the constitutional right to declare war. It would be ok, if they did not have a dog in the fight, meaning none had any special interest in any military industrial complex stock, options, real assets that would benefit them from a war. Make it mandatory that no government employee /functionary own any stock, options, real assets that would interfere with their carrying out their duties to the constitution and the citizenry of the USA for at least 5 years after they leave their post, which would be a max of 6 years, then I would be ok with it.

I’ll second that.

Amen Mark!

I don’t know. That I repeated what I have heard does not alone make it so, I only interpreted it as a most general consensus and the “mood’ of western Europe.

And I surly can’t explain how a potentially nuclear armed Iran has a lot to do with Afghanistan and the Iraq folly. Same general region perhaps but the potential “threat” viewed much differently.

Well, bob(deer),
I don’t think ANY of the european countries want to mess with China or Russia, either!!! Attacking Iran will do just that!!

But that will never happen according to the Bible!

What do you think about house and senate

You are correct on the Washington thing. 4-just_us says, “all wars since WWII were fought for profit.” Well, OMG, how could anyone ever profit from a war? JUST for the record, there will always be someone profiting from any and every war. THAT IS REALITY! And, since we are talking about WWII, there is a real similarity to WWII and what is taking place today. All we have to do is compare the Nazis with the Muslims who also want to take over the entire world and have all Jews exterminated, but, in this case, these guys want all Christians eliminated too. If killing Nazis was justified then, is not killing Muslims justified now? Seems to me we should use the same yardstick to measure this question.

I’m not up on all of this, but I think there might be a difference between a Nazi and a German, A democrat/republican/conservative/other and an American a communist and a Russian, a Muslim and an Arab/Persian/Indonesian/other. A radical religious theocracy and politically totalitarian government is what is dangerous to the world. It does not matter whether you are a Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Jew or any other religious persuasion; if you are an extremist and a proselytizing fanatic that tries to instill your beliefs on others, you are the problem. If you are a Communist/Socialist/Democrat/Liberal, Republican/Conservative/T Partier, Objectivist/Libertarian and you pursue your “party line” above the welfare of your county and your fellow citizens, you are the problem.
All that pursue a blind faith in some ideology are manipulated by the elite that control all of the world’s affairs, because they have a truckload of followers who do not discern reality from the “MERDE”(sh*t) they are fed by their supposed “leaders”. It Is About Money And Power, no MORE, no less. All rules and laws are made for the populaccio, not the leaders. Take a look at the exclusionary status our own “government” has given unto itself, by placing themselves above the law, our law, not theirs; they live beyond the law they have drawn up for the rest of us. You can be sure it is so with all government of the world, why would they share their power with you. Plato’s stratification of the classes in his pyramid structure is at work doing very well thank you; for some out there they couldn’t buy a clue if you gave them a dollar.
Truth and a higher ground is the only salvation from the cesspool into which they have driven our wagon train. Stop and think with your eyes, ears wide open and all of your synapses(the ones that have survived your college days)firing full charge. We are all being used one against the other in one of the biggest continuing frauds since the first strategy meeting between a shaman and a warlord. The manipulators are sitting in the Stadium Box seats watching the world in a game where they are the only winners, we are out there in our cheerleader outfits cheering for our side, So sad, we should, as my child and her peers innocently admonish us Wake TFU it is a world of “bread and chocolate”.
This election is important to you, to me and more importantly to us, the governed. The governed that have given birth to a Constitution and its new defined freedoms and liberty; a birth labored, won and secured with theirs and their children’s life’s blood. Once secured, the unwashed masses, transferred in good faith their rights to “representatives” who would do their bidding and protect the new country and its radical ideas of self-government. We the unwashed masses, who in our simple country logic, in our exuberance, blinded by ideology of fairness and righteousness of our fellow human being; trusted with our hearts, relied on our religious training, forgot that there were countrymen of ours out there whose prime directive and motivator was the lust for money and the power it would buy. It is time to take our freedoms and liberty back, it is time to rescind the transfer of our power over ourselves back to its rightful owners, the unwashed masses who from time immemorial yearned to be free.

“Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
~ Hermann Goering at the Nuremburg Trials

There’s your yardstick firefight.

Fighting for our freedom from Britain’s tyranny is one thing but fighting endless wars with other nations is quite another. Washington’s foreign policy was: “Trade with all nations, entangling alliances with none.”

George Washington did not go looking for foreign entanglement. He believe in defending America from foreign aggression and having a strong defense.Which is exactly what Ron Paul has been advocating.

What is the world coming to when I find myself agreeing with a comment from eddie?! You are right on about Washington not pursuing foreign entanglements. He executed the view of the founding fathers (and of course, was one) which is exactly what Ron Paul is trying to get America to return to.

you are cleary misinformed or dont understand anything. we went to war with iraq and afggainstan because of september 11. were fighting terroism and for the people died. but i guess you dont think people who died on that day dont matter.i dont understand how you justfied in saying this you cant defend it by your comment sorry but you need to think before you speak.

You are half right. We went to war in Afghanistan because the Taliban sponsored Al Qaeda and we wanted Al Qaeda. That rationale was concluded by 2003. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or Al Qaeda; in fact Hussein was one of the mideast leaders on Al Qaeda’s “hit list.” That misadventure was entirely due to Bush’s delusions.

Now we are out of Iraq and the government is close to collapsing, and we were so effective in getting rid of the Taliban that Obama is apparently negotiating with them for a return to power. So what is worse: a man who does not understand the enemy we face (Paul) or a man who does understand that enemy and embraces it (Obama)?

Mr, Clyde, I think you are confused or missinformed. We went to afghanistan after Osama Bin Laden, but then we stay and occupy their territory ad forgot the mission. then we went into Iraq under false pretenses, everybody knows that, and occupy Iraqui’s territory. How do you win the war on terror or terrorism as it is an ideology not an actual group of people or a country?

CLYDE CROW JR says:

January 2, 2012 at 11:52 am

you are cleary misinformed or dont understand anything. we went to war with iraq and afggainstan because of september 11.
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You still buying the official 911 story?
We went to war for control and power…period.

DNTMK….
I don’t think George made any money as commander of the american forces as it was an all volenteer force. Hell, he was Barely fed, like his troops!

So what is the difference? The death toll from the war on Iraq, that by the way, had nothing to do with 9/11, its a little over a million Iraquies. How does that make us different than Iran.

We were defending ourselves from iraq and their wmds

Brogan, you’re deluded!

Defending ourselves from Iraq from what? The WMD’s that saddam hussein had? Where have you been this last ten years sir? Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and has never attacked the US. Defending ourselves, give me a break.

In 2008 america found 500 pounds of yellow cake uranium which was given to canada which they turned into energy. The liberal media which u guys always complain about failed to report that.

US thought Saddam still had them. Remember what US gave Saddam to fight Iran for more than a year? Nobody seemed to be able to find them!

Brogan says:
January 2, 2012 at 10:26 pm
In 2008 america found 500 pounds of yellow cake uranium which was given to canada which they turned into energy. The liberal media which u guys always complain about failed to report that.
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Canada produces more unranium than anyone else on the planet.
What do you suppose they were going to do with 500 lbs?

JC,
There were two metric tons of yellow cake found in Iraq. It WAS shipped to Canada, but what was done with it, I’m kinda foggy on. There are several sites you can check on it. Now I guess if you stretch a little you could say that Iraq was gonna make a “dirty” bomb out of it, but HOW TO DELIVER IT????

Joe,
My guess? Canada has the facilities to store the material and it’s right next door if the US ever needs it. My question would be, how did Iraq get the Yellowcake in the first place? Who supplied it to them? Us? Russia? China?

Did Iraq attack us? No! Did Iraq have WMD? No! They did have poisonous gases but those were sold to them by France and Russia. Should we attacks Russia and France for doing that? See what a tangled web we get ourselves into and have a hard time boxing our way out of.

You’re truly naive 1minuteman!

I’ll second that!

Al, would you and Scott PLEASE explain to us HOW 1minuteman is naive!! A bully anywhere cannot be reasoned with. The ONLY way they react with ANY compassion toward others is when they “are put in their place”.

Scott and Al: No, you two are naive. You evidently know nothing of Iran’s current nor historical culture. You evidently know nothing of militant islam which is in current political power in Iran. And you know nothing of militant islamic history. All of which paint the picture of horror if Iran produces or gets ahold of a nuclear weapon.

You two need to do a little homework; and then come back here with some concrete answers as to what you would do. Ron Paul’s answer is to not pay attention; which will be viewed by Iran as a point of weakness; to which they will begin to attack us in ways we likely won’t see in time to defend ourselves. That is NOT the kind of leader we need or can tolerate.

What you need to do is worry about our own govt. who are the real terrorists, I know more than you do about the real issues. our govt. is the real enemy wake up!!

Dntm; You need to explain to us about Iran history so we can be as knowledgeable as you say you are. How many wars have they started in the world in the last 300 years? Don’t tell me they arm Hezbollah which is true but the USA arms dozens of countries in the world and stir up conflicts in the same region. Don’t tell me Iran has weapons of mass destruction because they don’t at this time. That really may not make any difference since we have more than 8,000 nukes. Iran has just as much right to defend themselves as we do so who is really the bully. We are threatening them not the other way around. Who overthrew threw the Iranian government in 1953 and interfered in their internal affairs. That would be us so should other nations be allowed to do the same to us? Before you utter another word please explain your position so we can be enlightened.

I know some of you (who believe endless warfare is necessary to protect America) are well-intentioned, but when you overlook the magnitude of America’s brutality toward other nations, the illegality of our wars and the way we are behaving as almost a colony of Israel you are letting fear rule you and losing your country in the process. There are so many lies (and there is so much private profiteering) shaping US foreign policy that it is difficult to know what is true in this era. For example, I learned the other night that during the korean war the US killed off about 1/3 of the North Korean population and decimated that country. Were they a threat to us directly? No. Killing off 1/3 the population of another country is a very radical act. This is never written about. We have since that time been standing as a direct threat to their existence for decades. When they want to prepare to defend themselves, we cast them as part of an “axis of evil”. I am not defending their style of government, but we now have a government that may well begin arresting and permanently imprisoning anyone they do not like, without charge. They have made this the law of the land. Our prison population is already as large as North Korea’s – and this is before our government begins running amok. What gives us the right to annihilate countries and threaten their existence for many years without expecting any kind of retribution – or at least some effort by them toward self-defense? The right to self-defense is God-given and not only to us. There is an insanity that drives us and our foreign policy in this era. How would we react toward any other nation that killed off 1/3 our population? We need to find our hearts and maybe when we do our minds will start working a little better, as they used to. In the meantime, the lust for blood has brought us to an end to democracy. Our country is in the hands of people outside our government. Our nation is crumbling. How is all of this war and killing saving us from anything? One day, our own government is going to be killing us. They are already trying to starve many of us to death. They are about to start robbing people’s pensions openly. Give us a break and stop following them blindly. They do not like you. They care NOTHING about defending or protecting you.

Yes, Dntm, grace us with your knowledge and wisdom. I suspect you are just a big bag of wind!

Al, you called someone an idiot, but your ranting and raving about our government being the terrorists makes you….an idiot.

PatriciaC:

Thank you for saying that. Here is a link that I think would be of interest to all.

http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/780.cfm

How so, John Hand?

John, Al just happens to be correct. It’s time to pull your head out of the sand, sleepy-head!

John Hand says:
January 2, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Al, you called someone an idiot, but your ranting and raving about our government being the terrorists makes you….an idiot.
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The United States Inc. has been meddling in the economic and political affairs of almost every nation on the planet for well over 100 years now, even to the point of toppling governments and nstalling dictatorships friendly to “American interests”. Which is doublespeak for their playing ball with American corporate interests.
The people of those nations who end up living under these dictatorships would disagree with you and a great many Americans are waking up to the nefarious actions of our own government. Which as Patricia mentions isn’t even “our” government anymore.
Wake up!

On another note, the GOP is already setting the stage for voter fraud:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrE15QfbnHA&feature=youtu.be
The Iowa caucus ballots are to be counted “in secret”.

Eddie , Eddie, Eddie, more rationalized nonsense from you as usual. The U.S. is the big bad bully who takes advantage of and uses all de poor peoples of de world. How can we possibly criticize poor little peace loving Iran and its gentle loving Imams and statesman like President who is the shining example of tolerance and religious freedom for its citizens (especially women)? How could we question the rational and well thought out objectives of their government (like denying the Holocaust and targeting the extinction of Israel). Why can’t we just give them the same respect and consideration we would Great Britain or Canada?

You are right Eddie. I don’t know what I was thinking.

JC & Al,
See, there you are. Give these jackheads a week of high gas prices and a few venomless threats from Iran, and they are ready to whup the world!!! how the hell did this nation ever survive with all these Maroons in and out of government??? I don’t worry about iran, Isreal will take them out if they get nuke capability, NO DOUBT! And THEY know what’s going on over there a whole lot better than OUR idiots in charge!!!

I have to agree that he is naive. We could do them like we did in Japan if they ever become a real threat. The US has become the bully, dictating to other countries what they can and cannot do. Iran is no danger to Israel either. Israel can take care of thierself. We need to quit bullying them into doing what we want them to do also. The Bible says that Christ will defend Israel, so I don’t worry for them. I’m voting Ron Paul!

thank you Rose. This is what I have been saying. Our prayers are the blessing that God wants us to give, not armaments. We already did enough of that anyway. Pray for Israel. Vote Ron Paul.

rose, the Bible says that Christ will defend his elect, not necessarily a nation. Present Israel has committed unbelievable atrocities against her neighbours. As well, according to end-time prophecies concerning Israel, there will be a purging of the Holy land. This i believe, will be for the purging of the despicable Zionist from the land!

Rose, I have read the Bible many times over. I have never found a place where the Bible says Christ will defend Israel. I don’t think Christ came to save just Israel. Also, even if the name “Israel” is mentioned many times in the Bible – the New Testament – it is intended to mean the “Chosen People”, namely all those who acknowledge and follow
God, regardless of the ethnic group of Israelis. For many Israelis really do not belong to this Group of the Chosen People; they are pretty much against the doctrine of Jesus Christ. After all, who crucified Jesus Christ? God loves everyone, who loves HIM and obeys
HIS laws.

Or that’s what Moises said…I think Obama is planing a big war for this year if I’m not wrong that always make the current president electable. People don’t change president when it’s war time in this country which I don’t understand or I don’t want to understand. I’m just tired of all this.

Tom the…,
you forget one thing when you speak of the isrealites crucifying Christ. Even if that were true, and it’s not, at the end Jesus looked to the heavens and said” Forgive them Father for they know not what they do”. Unlike you, Christ FORGAVE them for the act they had commited!!!

Iran Dntmkmecmoverther? WMD??

They cannot even make gasoline from their own crude oil. They have to IMPORT their gasoline.

As I recall Iran was the only ME Isamic country to express sympothy after 9/11. How about erasing the Saudi govt. That is where most of the 9/11 “terrorists” originated. Let’s bomb, bomb, bomb Saudi Arabia.

How about bombing N. Korea? They HAVE nukes and can hit Japan and possibly our west coast.

How about bombing China? They HAVE nukes and thanks to Billy Clinton they also have the means to launch them.

How about bombing Russia? They HAVE nukes and can hit anywhere in the world.

Hells bells Dntmkmecmoverther, how about bombing Washington DC? They HAVE nukes and HAVE used them. We are the only nation on the planet that HAS used nukes.

I think SC and 1min make some valid points.

I believe that we should support Israel to the best of our ability and let the Arab countries run their own countries.

In many ways America should be more like Switzerland to the point we worry about our own country yet support our friends.

From Ron Paul:

“Everyone assumes America must play the leading role in crafting some settlement or compromise between the Israelis and the Palestinians. But Jefferson, Madison, and Washington explicitly warned against involving ourselves in foreign conflicts.
Ron Paul”

The constitution is very clear. For any President to abuse his commander in chief discretion creates huge problems. Our resources to protect this Country are vast. We need to “butt out” in the Mideast and allow them to exercise their rights of “self-determination” The muslims in that area have always been at odds with each other..let them find their own way. Israel is a “self-determined” democracy that needs our support like France did with us in 1778. Support them and protect our borders. It costs $138,000.00 per soldier per year to keep them overseas…Bring them home, secure the border and educate them in the fields of shortage and the allow them to ETS out of the Service…..Save the money and allow the world to find its own way…..the Constitution is clear.

Agree 100% with you,the solution is to simple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too simple and does not generate cash for the ones who rely on war for profits.

Rock Road, What Jefferson, Washington and Madison said two hundred years ago is irrelevant to the situation today. We can’t play football today with yesterdays rules. The world is has gotten way too small for that. Ron Paul is a good man but seems, to me, to be too weak in the strategy department. He seems to be a bit weak and even intimidated by world affairs and dealing with foreign crisis. I would support him better if he would simply take a stance to make me feel like he would kick anyone’s ass who wanted to mess with America such as Iran has been doing for the past 15 years or so.

Ron Paul should be looking for a running mate with good foreign policy opinions.

Now that’s something I haven’t heard on this sight from you all. That what happened 200 years ago in America (Founding Fathers) has no relevance to how we conduct ourselves in today’s world. I thought everything that we believe in dates back to then. Apparently firefight just opened the door with a differing opinion and yesterdays rules may not count.

What Washington, and Jefferson said about foreign entaglements are as relevant today as when first spoken. Our “A** Clown congress critters” working their mischief in the world arena is what has gotten us into this sorry state we find ourselves.

Mr. Paul is correct report the actions of Iran to congress make congress do what we the people have put them in office to do, declare war if they deem that the correct action, if not stay out of all other coutries affairs.

Please explain how has Iran mess with the US bussiness, or the world for that matter, in the last 15 years? I would really like to know.

WOW!!! I can not believe what you just said. What was said or written 200 years ago has no relevance today??? So I guess the Constitution is outdated too so we should write a new one that is more in place with todays war mongering policies of our government.
Good Thinking “firefight”
I guess the old quote of “those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it” is totally irrelevant today.
You want to know the truth??? TURN OFF THE STINKING TELEVISION and start reading relevant books publications from all sourcess. Then and only then you can think for yourself and make your oun mind. Otherwise it seems to me that so far all you can repeat back is whatever fear war mongering propaganda you watched on TV or read on USA today.

Mr. firefight, it is time to change some of the well-liked phrases, such as “kiss ass” and the attitude behind them. “Bullying” is never liked nor accepted for long. Kicking others can bring back some back-kicking; not necessarily with “nukes”, even if that could be possible, in different forms.
What I really mean to say is in face of a problem, especially a very complicated or long-lasting international problem, it is imperative to go to the bottom of that problem and find the roots of the problem; and then use human rationality to extricate both sides from this confrontation. And pray that both sides are wise enough to come to a peaceful solution. I guarantee “kicking ass” will never work. Just look around the world and go over human history. You will find plenty of proofs of my statement.

Sorry, I have to make a correction of my typing errors. I mean to say “KICK ass”.

Eddie47,
My comment about Washington, Jefferson and Madison was in response to Rock Road’s comment about staying out of other countries affairs. You’ve taken my statement as though it applied to Everything these founding fathers established. You should read the post above mine to get the intention of my words instead of assuming what you want and twisting or adding your own spin..

Firefight, our increasing and escalating foreign entanglements facilitated by circumventing Congress and motivated by the opportunists who game the system prove that our Founders were more than clairvoyant on this issue as well.

firefight says:

January 2, 2012 at 9:11 am

Rock Road, What Jefferson, Washington and Madison said two hundred years ago is irrelevant to the situation today
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Unbelievably ignorant comment.
You went to a liberal public school didn’t you?

1Minuteman, you need to lay off of the lame-stream kool-aid and start understanding the real situation at hand.

He does understand the situation, Iran’s history has shown it is reckless.

Hogwash! Do you have proof, or just empty accusations?

1minuteman cares more about israel than he does America !

As a Canadian watching you folks to our south it is like living upstairs from a meth lab wondering when the folks in charge will do the inevitable and take us all out. You have one hope and that is Ron Paul. All of us share an immediate threat and that is economic terrorism and that has already been sanctioned from within on all of us by Fed policy to the point where the banksters now run our economy and our lives and have run the situation into the ground. How’s all that hopey changy thing been working for yas.

To Canadian Peter, I agree with your assessment of things. I have been encouraged that Canadian friends of mine who are dual-citizens also see how effective President Ron Paul would be. I think many people misunderstand Paul’s foreign policy. The sad thing is that many Americans view Paul’s policy as strange and “way out there” when it actually mirrors the foreign policies of the majority of our founding fathers…and the law of the land, the Constitution. Paul isn’t afraid to fight–and unlike the current President, has served in the military. Paul simply believes in the founders’ view that we should only fight to defend ourselves or to come to the aid of others in grievous situations (such as genocide), but only once Congress has declared war. We should not be sacrificing the lives of so many young soldiers simply to advance our interests and obtain control of oil. It would be refreshing to see us drill here and use our own resources rather than spend billions fighting wars to steal the resources of others.

Elevenarrows…If I were king making the decisions, I would have allowed the sale or mergers of most of the US owned oil companies and refineries to foreign interests. I would look the other way if the Oil cartels funded Sierra Club and any other real or pseudo conservationist groups that protest all drilling, pipelines and generally run interference for the oil companies and the government enablers, providing them with alibis as to why they cannot drill here in the US. Then I would block any Keystone project because of, Ill think of something, but I would definitely fund a foreign country like Brazil to drill off their coast and sell the oil us. I would allow lobbyists on behalf of Oil cartels to influence and grease the skids in the passage of laws that prevent from developing our own natural resources.
The reality is that if they the Oil cartel were allowed to drill in the US, there would be a drastic drop in oil and fuel prices, which for them, would not be to their best interest of their bottom line and definitely not on their business plan. The lobbying and legal graft system that has been set up as legal business as usual, and the out and out bribes and payoffs to Government officials is at the bottom of the mess our economy is in today. The government once in office repays the lobbyists and corporations for the funding they provided to their elections, all out of our pockets. Why is the government in the business of guarantying loans or awarding grants to multi-billion dollar corporations, their CEOs and corporate bodies? (excluding of course A Gores auto and global microwave warm-up thing). It is our money, our taxes, why and who gave them the authority.
The representative nature of the men and women sent to do our work does not include profiteering on our dime. It does not include enriching themselves through phony earmarks that supposedly do not violate ethical standards. As long as they benefit only on other person they are vindicated, gimme an F’n break. These ethical standards differentiate and absolve them from any wrongdoing, that you and I would be sent to the federal hoosegow and made someone’s sleepy time and funny nap teddy bear.

1minuteman you are one of the very few intelligent people on this website.

That doesn’t say much about yourself if you are so eager for more wars with so little proof.

How much proof do you need, a couple hundred thousand dead is that the proof you need, wake up this isn’t the 18th ventury

Where has Iran killed 200,000? In the Iraq-Iran War? Please explain those numbers.

Brogan is on to something here I think…
Following his line of thinking, first we take out Iran,
then we move on to North Korea, China, Pakistan…und zen ze Vorld!

i agree that ron paul and obama is an idoit.while no means im a obama supporter. but you need to get some facts right, obama is right now planning on going to war with iran, the usa sent underground missles to isreal to attack irans nuclear weapons underground, yes ron paul iran has nuclear weapons please get your facts straight and you dont know or understand this and running for president i sure hope you dont win election for president, you worse than obama.this is in bible prophecy we will go war with iran, 2.5 million people will die because of this on the eupodeuas river, sorry if i spelled this wrong,which will bring the antichrist to make isreal and pakistan signed a peace agreement which is happening now.by the end of 2012 will start the 7 years of tribulation, also thje world will become one world goverment. you will will have to get the mark 666 to buy and sell food and other goods, you will not to be able to do this with out the 666 mark, but if you get the mark you will not get in heaven and you will go to hell. i guess i wrap this up because i have lot more to say about this as a bible prophecy student, i just wanted to inform everyone whats going on in the world today. please accept jesus christ as your lord and savior now if you havent already, god bless everyone and have a great day.

Please, where ever your from, GET A LIFE.

Israel takes care of Iran. Ron Paul is by far the best leader for America. Another thing you do err in the scriptures you mentioned. Ron Paul job as President is to report to Congress then they vote to declare war.So foreign policy offered by Ron Paul is correct. The Nation needs to turn back to Righteousness which EXALTS a NATION. Only Ron Paul leads us that way. First Sound Money ( righteous money ) Gold and silver makes a Nation strong. If you don;t have sound money you lead the way of ruin. He who owns the Gold and the Silver in righteous governing is the HEAD and not the Tail. America can be strong again by Ron Paul as our President. Go America Go Ron Paul

Okay bible prophecy student. You need to read your Bible a little better. Or do you not have faith in God. Bible prophecy does speak of all the nations coming against Israel. But it says that Christ will come down from heaven and fight the battle for Israel. So who do you think has the greatest army Christ or the United States. I as a Christian believe that Christ will protect Israel. Have faith in God and not of the doinga of man. You cannot change Blble prophecy. Yes there will be war along the Euphrates River and yes a third of mankind will be wiped off of the face of the earth. But Israel will come out unharmed and bigger than what it is now. Do not fret and have faith in God. And I am voting for Ron Paul, because he is more pro Israel than any other candidate.

so you think israel needs to steal more land from the countrys aeound them .

Israel has over 100 nuclear weapons….if Iran fires one they will be annihilated…..why do we have to be the worlds policeman?…we have just left Iraqi with our failed policies there…we have another failed policy going on in Afganistan…why did we have to go back into Irag the second time?…why wasn’t the job done the 1st time?…It’s because the military industrial complex (TPTB) want us to fight all these wars FOREVER!…they don’t care how many soldiers get killed or how much it cost us Americans…Ron Paul is not perfect but let’s try something different for a change…our middle est policy has not worked for 40 years….

It is our foreign policy that has made this mess over the last 40 years.
Paul is apparently the only one who bothers to look at the history and see that the only way to cause any change is to radically alter that policy.
If Iran’s navy tries to block the straight they could be put on the bottom in a matter of days with little losses. But we would be entering yet another war that will last for decades and can never really be won.
Paul is the one candidate who understands this. He is also the ONLY one who wouldn’t be in the pocket of the arms cartels,,, who are the ones who really want to see another war.

Iran is not as much of a threat as our government makes them out to be. The head of the Mossad (Israeli intelligence) says that Iran is not an existential threat. http://thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/asia-mainmenu-33/10412-mossad-spy-chief-iran-nuke-not-existential-threat

If Ron Paul is so naive on foreign policy, why do more active duty military donate to him than all other candidates combined? Also, why did the head of the CIA Bin Laden group, Michael Scheuer, just endorse Ron Paul? I would think these people know a little more about foreign policy, and what is really going on, than the average citizen.

http://www.revolutionpac.com/2012/01/cia-bin-laden-unit-chief-endorses-rep-ron-paul/

Another fool who has bought he line about “wipe them off the map”. Hate to tell you, but that was never said. The Ayatollah Khomeini many years ago said ” The Zionist [regime] must vanish from the pages of time”. Ahmadinejad was simply quoting the former. No reference to wiping anything off the map…..Pure media hype!

Don’t bother trying to refute me, I have already done the research, go do your own…..

Wouldn’t you be more aggressive if sanctions were applied on you? Our sanctiions on Iran will unite the warring factions therein, they will now have a common enemy. Iran was never a threat to the United States, now they are. Like Ron Paul said, that’s the ‘trouble’ we were looking for.

If the U.S cut off all trade with iran, their world bank would go down, they wouldn’t have it any more money to do anything

I am really amused by some of the comments and views expressed above.
First let me ask Mr. Brogan: Have you seen any real results stemming from US embargoes in the past? Even Cuba, so close to US and just an island nation, has survived till this day. The long lasting US embargo against the Red China yielded insignificant results, except for the blockage of a quicker military weaponry advancement. US is still pursuing “The Big Stick” policing “diplomacy”. And what is the final result? We will soon begin to see some of them. We may not like to see what we are going to see. Despite all our sacrifices and efforts, have we heard any thunderous echoes of “Thank You”? By the way, we are no longer just in the conventional military intervention. It is also being done in covert or subversive fashions. Remember the Iran-Iraq War, when Saddam received the MDW from US to kill so many Iran troupes? Remember the killing of Bin Laden? Let us not forget that the world is not blind.
I, for one, don’t think Israel really wants to test the world’s tolerance by “nuking Iran since Israel never has declared herself as a nuclear power. As far as Iran becoming a nuclear power, why is US criticism so strong while not a cough was heard when India obtained nuclear weapon technology from who knows where? Even recently US has signed contract to support India’s nuclear programs. I am really curious what response US or Mr. Brogan or Mr. firefight would care or could give?
Yes, bullying will always draw resentments and fight back. One big stick may not always come on top when faced with many smaller sticks of different strengths.
As for those prophecies, I’ll pass and let the “prophecy experts” interpret them. I don’t think God has anointed them as the messengers of Divine Oracle. They may say whatever they like or believe. It is a free Country after all.

Brogan,
show me proof that the US provided Saddam and Iraq with WMDs during the iran/ Iraq war. I know that FRANCE did, but not the US. We DID supply them with conventional arms. Show me a site to back up your statement.

Our continued wars in the Middle East make us the bully ..firefight.. so should Iran begin their assault on us? Should they now fight back because of all the threats we have made towards them? Apparently you were bullied in school and then became a bully yourself.

more left dribble from an uneducated liberal who thinks he knows everything about anything. Why don’t you drive off a very high cliff.

Why don’t you present some facts duaner? Your pushing yourself off the cliff with the lack of intelligence.

Once again, Eddie47 you completely miss the point and your words are far from accurate. We are not the Bully when it comes to Iran. THEY ARE! This country has been the safe haven for terrorists for over 40 years. This country has supported, recruited and trained terrorists that have created destruction and murder all over this planet. We are the cowards who have tippy toed around with them because of the oil interests for way longer than we should have. Get that straight. We should have gone into that country and kicked their asses long ago. By the way, if you know anything about Muslims or Islam, you would know that this is the only language they understand. Strength!

As for me being bullied………yes I was. There was a boy in my school that liked to pick on anyone he thought he had an advantage over. He tried it with me one day by telling me he was going to beat me up if I didn’t do what he told me to do and that was to give him my lunch money and carry his books for him. I knocked his books out of his hands, heel stomped his left knee, which made him collapse, and then I jumped on top of him and began swinging. I broke his nose and blackened both of his eyes. Three of my close friends saw what was happening and grabbed me and pulled me off of that kid. Three days later, he approached me and apologized for what he had tried to do and I apologized for kicking the sh– out of him but told him he deserved it. We became very good friends after that day and still are. Why? Because I stood up for myself and it taught him respect for me. It also taught him that he could get hurt being a bully.

Case in point. That’s exactly the lesson we need to teach Iran. If you Liberal ass kissers think there’s a better way, let me know. This method seemed to work pretty good on Adolph, Joseph and Hirohito.

I’m no liberal ass kisser, I’m a gun owning Libertariian Patriot.
And I’ve about had it with you war mongering drum beating kill monkeys trying to make yourselves look all brave and tough.
It’s idiots like you that got us into this F&%#^ng mess.
And it’s idiots like you who think American blood has to be spilled all over the planet just to keep “idiots like you” busy saving us from things that “idiots like you” caused in the first place.
You want to war with Iran? get your rifle and get going.
This is NOTHING like the situation we had in WW2 and you’re an idiot for even trying to make the comparison.

Firefight,
good name for you BW. Yes, your friend learned a lesson, but YOU didn’t. By your very statement of “We should have gone in there and kicked their azz a long time ago” you have shown that YOU were the one that needed to learn a lesson. Iran has done NOTHING to us YET. for us to go in unilaterally and unprovoked and destroy them makes US the bully. The whole world will see it that way as well. Now, maybe we don’t have to worry about little countries like say Japan or Switzerland, but Russia and China BOTH have said if we attack iran unprovoked, they will be their protectors. Now just stop and THINK for a change. We might, MIGHT defeat Russia, and we have a slight chance of defeating China, BUT there is NO WAY we are gonna beat them BOTH!!! Not even JOHN FREAKIN WAYNE nor STALLONE would suggest THAT!!! I suggest you get off your peashooter box and calm down a little before you bust a blood vessel!!!

I was never bullied in school but I understand your pain and where you been misguided. The only thing that this agression to them will accomplished is unite them. Are you ready to declare war on 1.2 billion muslims?

Repeat of what I just mentioned. Israel takes care of Iran. Ron Paul is by far the best leader for America. Another thing you do err in the scriptures you mentioned. Ron Paul job as President is to report to Congress then they vote to declare war.So foreign policy offered by Ron Paul is correct. The Nation needs to turn back to Righteousness which EXALTS a NATION. Only Ron Paul leads us that way. First Sound Money ( righteous money ) Gold and silver makes a Nation strong. If you don;t have sound money you lead the way of ruin. He who owns the Gold and the Silver in righteous governing is the HEAD and not the Tail. America can be strong again by Ron Paul as our President. Go America Go Ron Paul

Right on Barry! And yeah Ron Paul!