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Barack Obama's Crazy Claims

December 30, 2011 by  

Barack Obama's Crazy Claims

I’m not going to review all the dastardly lies, misstatements and gross exaggerations Barack Obama has made since he assumed the highest office in the land. That would take a lot more pages than we have room for today.

No, for now I want to mention just two of his most recent assaults on the truth. I’m afraid they will set the tone for what may be the dirtiest political campaign in our country’s history. And considering some of the mudslinging we’ve witnessed in the past (remember the commercial for Lyndon B. Johnson in which a little girl picking petals off a daisy morphed into a mushroom cloud?), that’s saying something.

My latest “did he really say that?” moment came when Obama was interviewed by Steve Croft on “60 Minutes” a couple of weeks ago. My stomach isn’t strong enough for me to watch the show; I knew I’d read plenty about it afterward. But even I was surprised by the unbounded arrogance of the man occupying the Oval Office. Here is his preposterous claim:

I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president — with the possible exceptions of Johnson, F.D.R., and Lincoln — just in terms of what we’ve gotten done in modern history.

How do you like them apples? Gee, guess it’s time to make room for a new face on Mount Rushmore. Clearly, Obama thinks he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread — “with the possible exceptions of Johnson, F.D.R., and Lincoln.”

I knew the guy was an egomaniac, but I was surprised by how cavalier he has become about it. Given his colossal failures as President, you would think he would at least try to fake some humility.

Oh, right, he did admit that, “… when it comes to the economy, we’ve got a lot more work to do.” Please, Mr. President, for the sake of all of us, don’t do any more “work” on the economy. You’ve done enough damage as it is.

Obama’s performance on “60 Minutes” was just embarrassingly immodest compared to his all-out assault on the truth two weeks earlier, when he officially launched his re-election campaign. That speech, which has become known as the Kansas Declaration, was so filled with misstatements that The Washington Post gave it three out of four “Pinocchios” for “significant factual error and/or obvious contradictions.”

One of his most outrageous whoppers was that his stimulus program has been an outstanding success. After all, he claimed, it helped create 3 million new jobs.

While it may be technically true that 3 million new jobs have been created in this country since Obama took office, what he didn’t mention is that more than five million jobs have been lost in the same time period. So the net effect is that there are 2 million more people unemployed than there were at the beginning of his Administration.

For a moment, though, let’s accept Obama’s numbers. And his claim, which is patently absurd, that his administration deserves the credit for every single new job in this country.

Obama’s stimulus program has cost U.S. taxpayers about $800 billion. That means each new job cost $266,667 to create.

With the average new job paying about one-fifth that amount, one has to wonder: Where did the other $220,000 per job go? Why, to line the pockets and pad the budgets of the folks dispersing the money, of course. Despite all of the efforts by Washington to subsidize solar power and other “green” energy, the only growth industry in the United States this decade has been government. Oh, and government-supported unions, of course.

Glenn Kessler, The Washington Post’s official fact-checker, cited another gross distortion in the President’s speech: Obama’s crusade for what he calls “fairness.” He quotes the President as declaring, “Some billionaires have a tax rate as low as 1 percent — 1 percent. That is the height of unfairness.”

When pressed for evidence that there is even one billionaire in this country who paid just 1 percent in taxes, the White House couldn’t find any. The only evidence the White House offered was a clip from some TV program.

An unsubstantiated remark by some talking head on some TV show became the basis for national policy and another blatantly political and incredibly dishonest speech by our President. Isn’t that wonderful?

Obama’s re-election committee says it plans to raise more than $1 billion for the campaign. Since he can’t possibly run on his record, most of that money will be spent attacking and smearing his opponent. The Republican nominee is going to get hit by a $750 million wrecking ball.

Let’s hope enough voters see through the smears, lies and deliberate obfuscations. It won’t take much to tip the scale one way or the other. We know that almost half of the voters in this country don’t pay a penny in taxes. As net recipients of much of Obama’s largesse (with our money, of course), you know they will support the Democrats, no matter what.

Of course, the passionate opposition is almost as large. Polls continue to show that 45 percent of voters will vote for anyone other than Obama. (Count me among them.)

That leaves 10 percent in the middle who will decide the election. If you’re reading this column, I’m guessing you’re not among them. But surely some of your friends and acquaintances are. What are you doing to win them over?

Getting them to subscribe to Personal Liberty Digest™ would be a very good start.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • Jimbo

    Whenever Obama supporters try to defend their guy, the “defense” is always that Bush was just as bad!

    I’m a life long conservative and a veteran. Personally, I think Bush was an AWFUL president. He’s one of the biggest reasons we wound up with Obama. People were so disgusted with Bush they thought anyone offering “change” would be better. That, and the fact that 90% of the black community they won’t even consider voting for anyone who isn’t black.

    • dave

      Jumbo, that is just idiotic bigotry on your part.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Would carbon trading Al Gore, or Swift Boat John Kerry have been better? The Bush family are not true Conservative Libertarians. They are connected to the Rockefeller wing of the Republican Party, as I believe Romney and Perry are as well. You might call them Hamiltonians.

      • DaveH

        Who would ever confuse the Bushes with a Libertarian?
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

      • clarence swinney

        AL GORE WON AND WAS ELECTED( NOT SELECTED)
        A LOOK AT A DIFFERENT 2010
        He would have continued Clinton/Newt Fiscal Policies of Pay Your Way
        We would continue to have Surpluses not Debt as far as the eye can see
        Debt today would be 6000B not 12000B
        2010 Budget would be 3000B not 3800
        Unemployment would be 5% not the real 17%.
        Food Stamp Roll would be 10% not 40%
        Unemployment Insurance Roll would be low
        Redistribution of Wealth back to Middle Class would have continued
        The top 1% would own 20% not 43% of Total Financial Wealth
        He would have continued Taxing the top 1%
        Wall Street Regulators would be under experts not Partners In Crime
        We would have 400 military bases not 800 worldwide
        We would not have two wars
        We would not have lost thousands of lives of young youths
        Hundreds of thousands of Muslims would still be alive
        Thousands of young Muslims would still have legs feet and minds
        America would still be the most admired nation on Earth not the most despised
        We would go back to behaving as a Christ-Like nation via our national policies
        Millions would own homes not foreclosure notices
        States would not be laying off hundreds of thousands in such important jobs as
        Teaching and Policing California would have a balanced budget
        John Kerry would be President.
        Sound common sense policies would continue.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Clarence . . . if the Intelligence Challanged Al Bore was elected . . . the US would have collapsed under the weight of “Cap and Trade” five years ago . . . C & T would have made Al and his friends Very Rich . . . but unemployment would be 30% today . . .

      • Flashy

        got ny proof or documentation on that claim there Dale?

      • Dale on the left coast

        Clarence . . . if the Intelligence Challanged, earth worshipping Al Bore was elected . . . the US would have collapsed under the weight of “Cap and Trade” five years ago . . . C & T would have made Al and his friends Very Rich . . . but unemployment would be 30% today . . .

    • Flashy

      lay blame where it is. Reagan began the war of Amrican workers and the Middle Class, Bush/Cheney almost finshed the job.

      • DaveH

        The war on the middle class is purely a result of Big Government, a Big Government that takes 40% of our GDP. Who here would voluntarily buy the services that Big Government offers for 40% of their income?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        I believe Flashy would with more than 40% of someone other than his own wealth.

      • clarence swinney

        Reagan + BusH I + Bush II created 99,000 net new jobs per month
        over 20 years.
        In 12 years Carter + Clinton created 222,000 per month
        JOBS PER PRESIDENT
        per year
        Clinton–2,900,000
        Carter—-2,600,000
        LBJ——2,300,000
        Reagan–2,000,000
        Nixon—-1,700,000
        JFK——-1,200,000
        Truman—1,100,000
        Ford———745,000
        Bush I——-625,000
        IKE———-438,000
        Bush II——375,000

        Democrats = 10,100,000
        Republican = 5,883,000

        Tax & Spend=Pay your way create jobs today
        Spend & Borrow kids pay tomorow on unemployment lines of gop

      • Brad

        Clarence,

        So far in three year’s Ohmama’s jobs growth has been a misrable .62% so what’s your point… Oh that’s right 4.5 trillion in new deficit spending, wow.

      • Jibbs

        Talk about cluless, jeeeeeeZ!!!!!!

  • Retired USAF Chief

    If his mouth is moving, he’s llying

    • clarence swinney

      can he docu 935 as was done on Bush + 11 staffers on wmd
      or 300 in book “Ronald Reagan there he goes again”

      950 + 300 is a BUNCH

      • Dale on the left coast

        Clarence . . . how long you been stuckonstupid?
        The US soon to be 16 TRILLION in Debt . . . are you concerned?
        Been payin attention to Europe and Japan? Japan has been doing “stimulus” for 20 years . . . zero results. The Euro will probably collapse next year, along with Greece, Spain and Italy.
        You like numbers . . . ever calculate the Interest on the National Debt? It is already enough to finance most of the Chinese military . . . soon it will be over 50% of all Federal Taxes collected . . . what happens then Clarence? I’ll tell you . . . all the handout crowd will be in the streets, just like Greece . . . comin for your stuff!!!

      • Flashy

        Actually…if you followed the economics of Japan, they tried the exact opposite of a ‘stimulus’. That is why they have what they call “the lost decade”. Bernanke actually made his mark studying how and why Japan’s efforts at repairing their economy failed. Ironic…what Japan tried is what the GOP and the right espouse for our economy.

        but that’s OK. it didn’t work with Hoover. It didn’t work with Japan. But it sure as heck will work today …. right? jeesh

  • ddh

    The man throws a lot words around, with no sweat or calluses to back it up, when men like our fathers spoke their words meant something, they fought the wars and worked to make a life for their family, they didn’t talk values they lived them, and never needed spin doctors to clarify where they stood. That is what America is, and always been. Like being a Christian, its our walk not our talk, Its time, we need to get back to whats real, we need to make America real again, forget the words and walk the walk.

  • TriumphOver Evil

    The sad thing is that some people can’t look past their ‘entitlement’ checks to count the many lies Barack Obama has told. They’ll never be able to see evil until they look into a mirror and yell ‘WAKE UP’ loud enough and long enough that they actually see a human being in the mirror and not a robot and slave.

    Ninety nine percent of the people in this country are to be blamed for the downfall of this country. They didn’t yell loud enough when things happened and now wonder what went wrong. Let’s take a look:
    1)American’s have a murderous drug cartel (CIA) operating on their
    soil but they do nothing.
    2)They didn’t protest when President Wilson singed the Federal
    Reserve System into law.
    3)The people didn’t protest when elected officials decided to
    create an unconstitutional agency (IRS) to steal their money.
    4)They didn’t protest when officials decided to charge rent
    (property taxes) on their lands and homes.
    5)They haven’t protested loud enough about the poisons being
    released into the air and put into their foods.
    6)They don’t protest about cancer virus’s being put in vaccines,
    and wait in lines at drug stores to get their injections, and
    the list goes on and on.

    And now they’re sitting on their a$$’$ wondering when Obama is coming to their rescue to pay their rent and put gas in their cars. Continue sitting people and some day your unrealistic dreams might hatch while you’re in a FEMA camp and used as a guinea pig.

    • Lastmanstanding

      …I occasionally wonder what happened to that guy who sounded like a walrus in fla. and the gas/mortage lady in chi…when someone mentions it…

      Nothing…just part of the show until it’s time for them(useless eaters) to “go”

    • clarence swinney

      They were silent when:
      Bush deliverd KO to Middle Class after Reagan belly punch
      Clinton to Bush to Obama
      Who Dug the Deep Hole? Who Fumbled the ball?
      Numbers rounded

      Clinton left Bush an 1800B Budget
      Bush Left Obama a 3500 Budget

      Clinton left Bush a 240B Surplus as far as the eye can see
      Bush left Obama a 1400B Deficit as far as the eye can see

      Clinton left Bush 5,700B of Debt
      Bush left Obama 11,800B of Debt

      Clinton left Bush a 237,000 net new jobs created per month
      Bush left Obama a 31,000 lowest number since Hoover.

      Clinton left Bush 17 Million Manufacturing Jobs
      Bush left Obama 11 Million Manufacturing Jobs

      Clinton left Bush a 10,800 Dow
      Bush left Obama an 8028 Dow

      Clinton left Bush Peace on Earth Good Will From Most Men
      Bush left Obama Hell on Earth Two disastrous wars. Enmity of 1500 Million Muslims

      Clinton left Bush a President most highly rated of any peacetime President in Asia, Africa, Europe.
      Bush left Obama the most hated President in history
      Bush left Obama an Housing Tsunami and Financial Volcano
      Bush left Obama, in 2008, an 8500B Bail out commitment Yes! 8500 not just 700
      Bush left Obama his Takeover of Fannie/Freddie, AIG, and first bailout of Chrysler
      Bush increased maximum loan by Fannie/Freddie from $300,000 to $729,000
      Bush increased FDIC maximum deposit coverage from $100,000 to $250,000

      • Brad

        Clarence, Ohmamas 4.5 trillion in less than three year’s.

  • JimmySan

    (offensive comment removed)

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Resorting racist remarks demeans your person.

    • Sirian

      JimmySan, JimmySan, please return to the penalty box and fume all you like. If you can’t say anything that shows no more semblance of character than that, well, you’ve pegged yourself quite nicely.

  • Gerri Randall

    It’s up to people and 2012 is the year to take our country back. Everyone in Washington now to be reelected needs to go. PERIOD. Clean house and put some people who know this country and loves her and will support her in office. That is at the local, State and National level. Obama is not an American and the people put him in office without checking out the facts and they listen to the fly by nights. Now we are paying big time. So when you go to the polls vote seriously and vote for people who will stand up for America as we once knew her. Vote for Grassroots conservative and I’m not for the liberal Republicans. That my friends we have now they are not Republicans.I am a grassroots Republican conservative be careful how you vote. Check to see if they are genuine or lying.They will say anything to get elected. DON’T TRUST THEM.

  • Bob

    If Obama wins re-election, and gets to appoint any more supreme court justices, the phrase: ” Life as we have known it to be in this country will cease to exist” will ride right along beside its cousin. 9-1-1

    • dave

      Who appointed the judges that allowed corporations to be considered people and allowed them unlimited campaign contributions? Yeah, more of those decisions are really gonna get us where we want to go.

      • DaveH

        Duh, the corporations aren’t people? Damn, have I been asleep that long? Are they robots now?

      • clarence swinney

        Fed fund elections–
        6 months
        3 primary 3 general
        Free equal tv time
        Debate a week=12=adequate to evaluate candidates
        No $$$$$ None=O

        Congress + White House can accept NOTHING OF VALUE
        end of Lobbying end of buying our government

        Simple but will do the job

        HANDICAP $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ owns our current government

  • skippy

    Thanks Chip – Nice article!!!
    And a very, very Happy New Year to you and and all at Personal Liberty Digest! :)
    Let’s hope November 2012 will be a great victory for all of us, including the ‘founding fathers’.

  • Puyaidon

    I hate to burst your bubble but you said that there were those who would get money from the government and vote for the “Wiz.” Not me bubba, I finally get an IRS refund after three years but will vote for anyone other than the Jackass party. How someone so idiotic can say he is one of the four best presidents? Is he having LSD flashbacks?

  • Martin Fee

    I have often asked those foolish OWS kids to point out the millionaires who do not pay taxes. Not suprisingly not a single one of them could name one. Though the name Soros comes up alot.
    They then say those evil rich people do not pay their fair share to which I ask How much did you pay in taxes last year, which for most the answer is ZERO. I then go on to say that I think it’s amusing that people who paid NOTHING are crying that someone else is not paying more. This usually makes them very angry and subjects me to many a “Down Twinkle” Whether its obama or these fools they are all FULL OF SH*T

    • skippy

      hahahhaa Martin!!! Nice post!!

    • michael

      Martin
      you are a moron

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Why, exactly do you call someone a moron?

      • Stephen

        If you have read any of his posts, you’ll see that Michael is the proverbial “Rebel without a clue”.

    • Sirian

      Uh, COWS Martin F., COWS – Crazy Occupy Wall Streeters. They are being herded around by the Unions, Alinskyites, Soros and several other extreme anarchy seekers without a smidgen of common sense. HA, it’s so funny to watch the COWS being led to repeat what one is saying over and over. It does carry a very close resemblance to a herd of cows baying for hay, doesn’t it?

    • clarence swinney

      Your names at ctj.org
      corp B in profit pay no tax
      Top 50% in 2008 paid 10% of “Total” Income
      Got 87% Total Income–50% had 13% of income yuk 70,000,000 workers
      In 2008 Corp paid 12.5% Tax Rate
      Amigo that is why in oecd nations we rank
      3rd least taxes
      2nd in taxing corp.
      4th on inequality

      • Brad

        This president and congress spent 4.5 trillion in deficit spending within three year’s of Ohmama’s innaugeration.

    • Jibbs

      Your 100% correct, HIGH FIVE!!!

    • daniel

      Kind of put a finger on the point there. I think that there should be a sales tax alone and trash the IRS. At the very least a national head tax. Let everyone put some skin in this game called a Constitutional Republic. I bet that would be a game changer if bad decisions cost people money. Heaven help us if we become a true democracy where mob majority rules.

  • Larry S

    Narcissism is alive and doing well in the White House!

  • Insurgent

    The price America continues to pay for the southern plantation owners buying slaves is astronomical; unfortunately, the cost is growning greater every day.

    • http://www.motorcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Yes Insurgent it is a wonder how we all still pay the price for the plantation owners in the south who bought the slaves from their own frican grand parents whom sold them to the American farmers which in reality gave them a better life from the spear chunking deseased nation they came from.

      • Karolyn

        Who are you to disparage somebody’s culture? Oh, yeah, they just loved being taken away from their families, losing their freedom and being forced to do the bidding of their masters. Oh, yeah, their life was so much better – NOT! I guess you think that bringing Christianity and the European concept of how to live to the original Americans was a big boon to them too?

      • libertytrain

        I think the travesty was they were sold by THEIR OWN RACE OF PEOPLE to other black and white folks here and the rest of the world.

      • JeffH
      • Brad

        Yes Karolyn,

        Please do yourself a favor and research slaverys past before posting you will find the white man didn’t sell the black man into slavery it was other african blacks and muslims. While you are at it just research all slavery you will be surprised what countries have been put into slavery and in who’s name and it isn’t Jesus Christ.

      • Karolyn

        I never said the white man sold the black man into slavery, but he sure took advantage of the proposition. There was a white broker in between the seller and buyer.

      • Dale on the left coast

        “I guess you think that bringing Christianity and the European concept of how to live to the original Americans was a big boon to them too?”
        Karolyn . . . is running a Casino better than roaming the plains killing buffalos and each other for hundreds of years?

      • Karolyn

        OMG! What a skwed concept you have. You value materialism over living a life of reverence for the earth, wildlife and freedom. And I’m sure the Euuropeans bringing booze, disease and even more death than they already had was a real boon too! We all would just love to have foreigners come here and force their way of living on us, wouldn’t we?

      • Flashy

        i dunno Dale. Seems to me they thought it was. They fought like hel* to preserve that way of life.

      • Jibbs

        Hey smarty pants, the first slaves were white….do some research and come out from under that rock!!

  • AJ

    Obama gets away with lying because of the ignorance of the masses, the
    support of a bought off media and a billionares bet of one dollar that they could take a sows ear and make a silk purse out of it. Kind of reminds me of a movie called trading something or other with Dan and Eddie. Wonder if Soreass won the bet?

  • http://windows VINNIE

    I am a registered Democrat.I wouldn’t vote for Obama,& I didn’t last time.He is trying to lead this country into a Muslim nation,a bankrupt nation .a constitution destroyer.Pretty soon if he has his way the white house will B painted black & the christmas tree will b replaced with a Black walnut tree to fit the white,I mean the black housenut that resides their.

    • Lastmanstanding

      God bless you Vinnie…I am a conservative registered repub. I didn’t vote for barry either and I’m ashamed to say that I voted for that progressive/commie mccain. He and his family are no more than elites paid by the bigger elites to steal our freedom.

      I am ashamed of nearly all of the 535 power hungry, money grabbing above the law individuals that “have our best interests at heart”

      I am proud to say that I am now a conservative libertarian…We own 2 businesses and will never let the govt break us…I am sick of the need to make war for profit of a few…My family has paid a high price in these wars since ww2…Americans have had it.

      We are voting for Ron Paul if we have to use dirt from the earth and our fingers to scrawl his name onto the ballot…We donate to him what we can and discuss him and attempt to convert everyone that we know to support him also…Its funny that he is the only veteran who has served running for office that hs the “peace not war” stance.

      I will never again waste my vote on the lesser of two evils…our kids and grandkids are depending on us.

      • Flashy

        Out of curiousity…are you voting for your incumbent Congressional rep and Senator ?

      • DaveH

        Duh.

      • Lastmanstanding

        NOT A F%$^&%G OF THAT HAPPENING FLASHY! Everyone needs to go…an most should go to a prison overseen by their constituents.

      • Jibbs

        Prison! I think they all should have a date with the gallows and hemp rope!!!!

      • Sirian

        That question deserves a counter question, are you? From your usual stance, more than likely.

      • Flashy

        Actually…I’ve answered that several times in the past. I won’t vote incumbent. If primary’d, they do not get my vote. Since they all have primary opponents..the new guys will receive my vote.

    • clarence swinney

      BANKRUPTING
      Reagan increased Spend 80% debt 180%
      Bush 92% and 112%
      Bush took a 5700 debt(after 225 years) and added 6000.
      Bush took an 1830 budget to 3500.
      Bush took 240B surplus to 1400 Deficit
      Bush took Peace on earth to Hell on Earth
      Bush took 237,000 new jobs per month to 31,000 lowest since Hoover

      Lord Barack inherited the biggest mess in our history
      No one could do a quick turnaround with an oppositiom party that has no integrity and is determined to beat him even if it destroys the Middle Class. Just help the Rich in Wall Street Casino of America
      land of Christians??????
      Jesus screams at us “WHAT THE HELL?”
      Party of Spend & Borrow let kids pay tomorrow
      14000 borrowed instead of tax rich to pay our way the true Jesus Way

      • Brad

        Clarence,

        Lord Barack has led this country to highest poverty levels 15.1% including adding 4.5 trillion to the national debt congress is to blame also Clarence. Carter left the US in recession which Reagan cleaned up, Clinton left Bush II a recession which he and congress cleaned up. Right now no one is saying Bush II was the best but right now today what we have is a sluggish economy, GDP growth around 1.9% no real new jobs being created except for part time and seasonal. Official un-employmed 13.157 million Real un-employed 23.824 million all from the US national debt clock.

      • Jibbs

        lord bankrupt, just another illegal POS!!

      • meteorlady
      • meteorlady

        So using your “quick turn-around” it would appear that Bush inherited a lot from Clinton right?

  • Juan

    The sad thing is that Obama believes what is coming out of his lying mouth. His ego is bigger than the national debt.

  • Terry

    Socialism and communism is alive and well in the United States, Ive Known this And watched it cimming for 50 years, through the news Media , just look at the propaganda that they put out ; they constantly , form public openion ! instead of just reporting the facts! Hollywood also played a large part in this also. this is how they brainwash the masses. but most people are too naive and busy to recognize what is happening their Freedoms !most wont miss anythig until it is gone , and then it will be too late..

    • Aurelio

      Terry you are right on the money. I have never seen a country with the highest standard of living in the world, and an undeterred freedom of expression or movement to do everything in their power to destroy it!

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS in Australia

    In my opinion the Obama publicity train will not be as a big a problem as your suggesting although I do suggest you pre[are for the onslaught, however the biggest and best asset you have is Dr Ron Paul himself as he is not only a real geniune person but he is much wiser than combined intellect of the entire administrations put together, but whilst I might have my doubts that he will have the power to change the direction of the American economic model on his own. His campaign is turning heads and he is winning debates with plain and simple logic ….but will it be enough and will the Republicans support him or will we end up with one of the same other disgraceful selection of undiciplined candidates. If the republicans really believe in financial and diplomatic responsibility then they can do no better than Dr RON PAUL. I’M SURE his logic alone will lure voters of both sides to come out in their droves to vote for him without any grand promises.

    • DaveH

      Wow, Gilly, I guess Liberals can learn after all.

    • meteorlady

      The Republican machine support Romney – they have since 2008 when he stepped aside for McCain. They can’t and won’t support Dr. Paul because he scares the crap out of a lot of them that are on the gravy train that is congress.

      I vote for him every chance I get and he’s is honest and works hard. He’s getting attacked now be the liberals because he gave a few speeches before the John Birch Society (which I don’t consider bad). He is also being labeled racist but that’s simply not true and they have not provided any evidence that is factual to support that claim.

      It’s like Cain – no real evidence to support the claim, just a couple of women (with financial problems) coming forward to make a claim. seems Obama used this tactic on his opponents when he ran for congress in Illinois eliminating the front runners one at a time.

  • Ken Boston Republican

    The dem’s are good at the game, they know the sizzle is better than the steak. Ignorance is bliss for them. Dem’s know that perception is reality for the 45% who rely on the gov’t to survive (and thrive under Obama). The scary reality for us is merely the fact that Obama actually BELIEVES he is doing right for America. So did LBJ and how is that “Great Society” working for you?

    • DaveH

      Here is reality:
      http://heritage.org/index/ranking

      The trough-feeders better wake up soon, because they will be the last in line when our country becomes a third-world nation. The useless idiots are always the first to be eliminated.

      • clarence swinney

        THANKS. I DID NO REALIZE WE WERE IN TOP 10.I CELEBRATE
        OECD rankings
        4th on Inequality
        3rd on Least Taxed
        2nd of least taxed corporations
        #1 on citizens in jail
        #1 on divorce
        #1 numbers of times Jesus Christ screamed at us
        “WHAT THE HELL”

      • DaveH

        The point is, Clarence, the results of Big Government. Prosperity is inversely proportional to the size of Government.
        We’ve got a ways to go, for sure, but we’re going in the wrong direction.

      • Brad

        DaveH,

        All hard core democrats/leftists/progressives can’t see the forest because of the tree’s. Evan though we have learned and see the light not all can see and as often as we try there will be those who dought and call us names.

      • meteorlady

        So Clarence – what does this mean then? We are 4th in the world for highest taxes and some site say we are second only behind Japan.

        I’m in business and when I get done paying taxes I’m not making much anymore so how do you expect me to expand and grow? I also don’t have enough new customers to buy my products so why would I grow when I can’t sell what I produce?

        http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0204.html

  • k

    Why is a non-citizen, lying, big spender, big ego, no experience, muslim running, I mean ruining our country????????

    • NC

      Tell again what a good job that white “daddy’s boy” from Crawford Texas did for our country? America watched him for 8 years and gave him a grade of 26% approval rating. bush incompetence put Obama in the White House.That and Caribou Barbie on the Republican ticket.

      • s c

        NC, thanks for admitting that Obummer doesn’t belong in the White House. Actually, he shouldn’t be allowed within 1,000 miles of it, but that’s another matter. Gee, isn’t it nice to agree with conservatives once in a while?

      • mrk

        Again–Congress was controlled by democrats–Obama included in that group. Pretty tough to fight Congress on everything.

      • Lastmanstanding

        NC…why don’t you use something call the internet (before they shut it down)to research that bush and barry are both fascists and are on the same team…play us against one another is the easist way to get what they want…to control the earth and dictate what happens.

        They have all the answers…we are here to serve them.

        Not going to happen…vote Ron Paul…True Americans have had enough!

      • Sirian

        BINGO!! They’ll never catch on to the game LMS, never.

      • DaveH
      • Lastmanstanding

        We do and will continue to contribute to Ron’s victory!

      • DaveH

        Do two wrongs make a right in your Liberal World, NC?

      • JC

        I’m guessing NC is on loan from the Huff Post or Obama Watch.
        Either way he’s just another anti-American socialist creep.

      • Dale on the left coast

        NC . . . 2007 the last Repub budget . . . deficit 160 Billion, Unemployment around 4% . . . contrast that to the Dimmicrap Congress of 2008 onward . . . 1.6 TRILLION Deficits to NOW, 9% unempoloyment . . . actually closer to 20% in most areas . . . and the Illegal in the WH is still stuckonstupid . . .
        NC . . . name One Bush policy the O changed . . . besides stopping drilling for oil? Why do you suppose he hid all his records of his Million Dollar Education? Who do you suppose paid for it?

      • NC

        Dale, don’t talk to me about bush deficts> Deficits come from over spending on the budgets>BUSH FOUGHT ONE WAR FOR 7 YEARS AND ANOTHER FOR 5 YEARS WITHOUT EITHER ONE BEING PAID FOR OUT OF HIS BUDGETS> THESE WARS WERE PAID FOR FROM SPECIAL ( ADDITIONAL) FUNDS VOTED ON SEPARATELY BY CONGRESS WHEN ASKED FOR BY THE ADMINISTRATION (BUSH).DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT HIS BUDGETS AND DEFICITS WOULD HAVE BEEN IF HE HAD INCLUDED THE COSTS OF THE WARS IN THEM??????????? REMEMBER HIS SEC. OF DEFENSE SAID THE WAR IN IRAQ WOULD NOT LAST MORE THAN 6 MONTHS AND ONE OF HIS FINANCIAL ADVISERS SAID THE COST OF IRAQ WOULD BE 50-60 BILLION!@ YEAH,
        i GUESS OBAMA DID NOT DISCUSS HIS EDUCATION COST FOR THE SAME REASON BUSH BLACKED OUT PART OF HIS MILITARY RECORDS>

      • meteorlady

        NC I actually read most of your comments. You are stuck int he past and you have an unnatural hatred for Bush based on the liberal press bashing. There are many sites, including US government sites that have FACTS posted such as the actual deficit when Clinton left office of $17.9 BILLION which he claimed as surplus by counting Social Security income and a few obscure accounting tricks. In fact, Bush’s first full year was under a Clinton signed budget and the deficit was $133.4 BILLION

    • clarence swinney

      BECAUSE HE MAY BE BETTER THAN
      BRAIN DEAD AFFABLE DUNCE IN ALZI
      LIFETIME FAILURE WITH WARPED MIND FROM 20 YEAR AS DRUNKARD

      WHO KNOWS?

      • Jibbs

        CS, your a mindless, clueless dork that spouts crap.

      • meteorlady

        He still has more class than Obama. Did you know that once each week people would go to DFW airport and greet the troops? Every few months the George and Laura show up and stand in line and shake hands.

        George and Laura showed up at Ft. Hood, unannounced and without press, after the terrorist went crazy, and spend hours visiting the wounded.

        Bush has NEVER blamed one single thing on anyone. He stands dignified in the background and give very few interviews, but refused to talk politics or even say anything bad about Obama.

        That’s Class – Obama lacks it all the way.

  • http://facebook Namvet USMC

    At least Obama can count on a bunch of Left Liberals, OWS Anarchists,
    World Socialists, Communists, and his Muslim Brothers to vote for him, they support and defend Obama, like a gang of idolizing groupies…

    • Karolyn

      You are wrong. If you bothered to investigate any liberal sites, you would see that many on the left are NOT happy with Obama. They feel he has sold out. Although I do not think they would vote for Romney, Gingrich or Perry, they, like I, might vote for Paul.

      • s c

        k, that’s a most curious position. You need to have a serious talk with ‘e’ and the rest of the utopian herd on this website.
        Most of them think Obummer can walk on water, bring the dead back to life, turn water into wine and probably should be prez for the rest of his miserable life. After all, it’s not every day that we get god in the W H.

      • DaveH

        If the Liberals are unhappy with Obama, it’s only because he hasn’t been Liberal enough for them, if anybody can imagine him being any more Liberal.

      • JeffH

        Exactly!

      • clarence swinney

        BERNIE SANDERS YEH YES WOW WHOOPEE

  • Mike

    Shocked? Lying is what liars do.

  • Pat

    We have a mentally insane person in the highest office of the land. God help America & pray there is something left of her when this evil is gone

    • Ellen

      Amen, Pat – my thoughts, exactly!

    • Insurgent

      And it does not say much for the incompetent mentally afflicted that put him there !!!

      • Capitalist at Birth

        I have offered the many books I have to the people that voted for Obama, to know avail. They choose ignorance over knowledge. If I knew they would vote for Obama again, I would probably delete them.

      • Flashy

        What are some of those books CB? I’d be interested …

      • DaveH

        Sure you would, Flashy. We believe that like we believe your other fabricated facts.

        But here’s one for anybody who sincerely wants to learn (that leaves out the board Propagandist):
        http://www.amazon.com/How-Capitalism-Saved-America-Pilgrims/dp/1400083311/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1325260477&sr=8-1

      • Capitalist at Birth

        the Market For Liberty; Power To The People; Capitalism The Unknown Heart; Animal Farm; See I Told You So; Demonic; Brotherhood of Darkness; 1984; Atlas Shrugged; Liberty And Tyranny; The Manchurian President; Hamilton’s Curse; Common Sense; Crimes Against Liberty; A Short History of the World; Capitalism Unbound; Burcaurcray; To Renew America; After Shock; The Road to Serfdom; Economics in One Lesson; Catastrophe; Controversial Essays; Team of Rivals; Killing Lincoln; Obama Nation; Broke; The Fountainhead; Bad Trip; Anthem; $700 Billion Bailout to name a few. Any more questions Flashy.

      • clarence swinney

        Obama misspoke–He omitted Greatest Record.
        -CLINTON PRAISE-WITH PLEASURE
        GDP–rose from 6300 to 11,600
        NATIONAL INCOME-5,000 to 8,000 Billion–took 20 years to grow 2500B before Clinton
        JOBS CREATED–over 22 million–record by far—record 237,000 net new jobs per month. Bush followed with 31,000 lowest since Hoover.
        AVERAGE WEEKLY EARNINGS–$360 to $478
        AVERAGE WEEKLY HOURS WORKED–never hit 35.0–hit that  mark 4 times in 80′s
        UNEMPLOYMENT–from 7.2% down down down to 3.9%
        WELFARE TO WORK—11,533,710 on federal roll in 1996 and 3,880,321 in 2007.
        MINIMUM WAGE–$4.25 to $5.15
        MINORITIES–did exceedingly well-His increase in Earned Income Tx Credit lifted millions of low income adults and families out of poverty annually.
        Clinton philosophy“If you work hard, play by the rules, you ought to be able to live a decent life”.Thanks Jesus.
        HOME OWNERSHIP–hit all time high
        DEFICIT–290 Billion to whoopee a SURPLUS
        DEBT—-+30%—300% increase over prior 12 years
        FEDERAL SPENDING–+28%—80% under Reagan- who da true conservative?
        DOW JONES AVERAGE–3,500 to 11,800  all it’s history to get to 3500 and Clinton zooms it
        NASDAQ–700 to 5,000—all of it’s history to get to 700 and Clinton zooms it
        VALUES INDEXES– almost all bad went down–good went up in zoom zoom zoom
        FOREIGN AFFAIRS–Peace on Earth good will toward each other—Mark of a true Christian–what has Bush done to Peace on Earth?
        POPULARITY—highest poll ratings  in history during peacetime in  AFRICA, ASIA AND EUROPE even 98.5% in Moscow–left office with highest gallup rating since it was started in 1920′s.
        STAND UP FOR JUSTICE–evil conservatives spent $110,000,000 on hearings and investigations and caught— ONE— very evil man who took a few plane rides to events.
        BOW YOUR HEADS–Thank you God for sending us a man of Bill Clinton’s character, intelligence, knowledge of governance, ability to face up to crises without whimpering and a great leader of the world.
        THANK YOU GOD FOR THE GOOD TIMES THE CLINTON YEARS.

      • daniel

        Flashy be honest. Apparently you have not even checked out the previous links you were supplied with.

      • Flashy

        Sure did Daniel. Found them not even close to what was represented. Did you check them out to find that out as well? CB…I have indeed read some of those books. I printed the list and will peruse them next time I hit the bookstore. Since I go there quite often, I’ll take a look at them.

        Want my list of suggested readings?

      • meteorlady

        Yah right Clarence.
        Fair Housing – collapse of the housing market, stock market, mortgage market, personal credit and a depression.

        Appointment of Franklin Delano Raines as Fannie Mae CEO – changed the accounting practices to collect over $100 MILLION in illegal bonuses and never prosecuted. Fannie bailed out with taxpayer dollars.

        Repeal of Glass-Stegall – letting banks and wall street do their work without oversight.

        Allowing drug companies to advertise adding BILLIONS to the price of prescription drugs.

        Not doing anything about the first trade center bombings, the USS Coal, our embassies and setting us up for 9/11 by ignoring intelligence about bin Laden

        Embarrassment in front of the entire world for b l o w jobs in the oval office.

        A lot of people died strangely and timely that had links to the Clintons.

        There were accusations in Arkansas when he was governor that he took bribes monthly from Tyson Chicken. One of the pilots that flew the money to Little Rock spoke out and was threatened.

        All around good fellow Clinton…..

    • NC

      Pat,this is America,the greatest nation in the world. We have survived Herbert Hoover, Richard Nixon and the bush boys and we will continuse to survive. It would help if the birther,paranoid,and ignorant wingnuts would get off the Faux Noise koolade and ask their congressmen to start helping with the recovery from the bush recession and come out of denial that it really happened.

      • Pat

        You kool aid drinking lefties just cannot get off the blame it on Bush can you?

      • ValDM

        NC,
        REALLY????? It’s 3 years later & it’s still Bush’s fault???? Good grief, you need to open your eyes to what’s really going on. Unemployment is still so high, it’s embarrassing. Taxes are going up thanks to O’care. $4.5 million in vacations (& rising) for the Mooch & her husband. EPA & FDA running completely amok making legislation all on their own……..and the list goes on, & on, & on……..

      • DaveH

        Herbert Hoover was a big mistake. But his mistaken policies were continued under Franklin Roosevelt and worse.
        NC would know that if he wasn’t a blindered Liberal Zealot:
        http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/how-this-happened.html

      • clarence swinney

        Each “significant” Depression and “Recession” since 1900
        has been under a so called Conservative President
        Since 1980 a lil review of facts not blarney

        3 so called Conservative Presidents–18 years so called conservative Senate–12 years so called conservative House and Worst-6 years Total Conservative Control ala 1920s.
        Initiated our involvement in 10 foreign conflicts
        Took 600 budget to 3500(less wjc itsy bitsy)
        took less than 1000b debt to 10,000
        took 218,000 net new jobs per month to 99,000
        Invaded two of most destitute and unarmed nations on earth.
        Ruined our reputation worldwide
        Allowed Wall Street(ala 1920s) to run wide in Housing Robberies and Financial Casino Derivative Gambling.

        Someone explain to me how–4 banks can be involved in a 230,000 Billion Gambling racket with fewer than 9000B in Bank Deposits.
        In a poker game you bet 200,000 with 9000 in pocket you get throat slit. Explain Please.
        Cut Taxes biggie for Rich.
        Unfinanced Part D Medicine

        Tax & Spend-=pay your way the Democrat Way
        Spend & Borrow = let kids pay Tomorrow the Conservative way

        Smaller Government the Conservative= Enrich The Rich ditch the rest
        Since 1980, Reagan 60% Tax Cut for top 10% began it
        Now
        10% own 70% Net Wealth——-80% own 15%
        10% own 70% Financial Wealth 80% own 7%
        10% take 46% individual Income 70,000,000 take 13%

        Haiti? Nope! Congo? Nope! Mexico? Nope!
        Haw River Perhaps

      • MNIce

        Clarence Swinney, Ronald Reagan was elected in the middle of DEMOCRAT Jimmy Carter’s recession (remember “malaise”, “stagflation” and the “Misery Index”). G. W. Bush was elected just after the peak of the Dot.Com crash, and almost immediately was faced with the fallout from the Enron collapse, followed by the 9/11 attack. Guess who was president when Enron and the Dot.Com bubbles were popping? That’s right, DEMOCRAT Bill Cllinton.

        If you compare the accumulated interest on the National Debt extant when Jimmy Carter left office with Ronald Reagan’s deficits, you will discover the amounts are amazingly similar. In other words, President Reagan would have had nearly balanced budgets if he had not had to service the debt left by his predecessors. This is clearly not the case with present occupant of the White House. He is borrowing almost six times the debt interest – almost 10% of the GDP – every year! This is simply irresponsible.

      • NC

        The NBER has been doing economic research and supplying it to the government for years> They also have used the same methods for determining the beginning and ending of recessions for years. Pull up their list of recessions with beginning and ending dates and see just how many BEGAN during Republican administrations as opposed to Democrat administrations> Somehting like 7 of the last 8 have been during Republican administrations! You sure are an unlucky bunch!! It’s like Obama said!
        trickle down has NEVER WORKED!!
        I READ NOT LONG AGO THAT BIG BUSINESS HAS THE LARGEST CASH RESERVE IT HAS HAD IN HISTORY> LETS GUESS WHERE THAT CAME FROM! TAX BREAKS FROM REPUBLICANS THEY HAVE HOARDED SINCE 2001!! YOU KNOW THE MONEY THAT WAS GOING TO TRICKLE DOWN AND CREATE THE JOBS THAT WERE GOING TO PRODUCE THE BUSH UTOPIA OF A 5TRILLION SURPLUS BY 2011. HOW DID THAT WORK OUT?? 10 TRILLION IN DEBT!!!!! AND REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO ASK AMERICANS IN 2012 TO LET THEM TRY THAT MESS AGAIN???

      • meteorlady

        Did it occur to you that it takes some years for an action to get a reaction? Or are you really that unintelligent? Look to what happened before they took power. Clinton is a prime example….

        Fair Housing – everyone deserves a home….. so

        Houses started getting easier to buy, demand went up, prices went up and people started refinancing to buy cars, boats, TV, pay off credit cards, etc. Each year when their home was worth more and more they did the same thing. As a result investors started seeking homes to flip and make a profit. Meanwhile Fannie and Freddie were busy guaranteeing loans that they didn’t have the money to cover and the Senate Banking Committee (Dodd & Frank) kept telling everyone that it was all good and they were doing what they were supposed to do.

        Housing becomes unaffordable and price start dropping taking the stock market, the mortgage market, banks and wall street along for the ride. MILLIONS of construction jobs are lost and builders go bankrupt. People start loosing their jobs and homes and the stock market keeps falling so retirees and people saving for retirement loose tons of their hard earned money.

        During this time Bush went to the Senate Banking Committee and various other committees to audit Fannie and Freddie to no avail. I’m not a Bush fan, but hey, you can’t blame him for the housing collapse and the depression. You have to go back for that and that would be Clinton, Dodd, Frank and company.

        Yup Clinton did a real good job….

      • JC

        NC says:
        December 30, 2011 at 8:06 am
        Pat,this is America,the greatest nation in the world. We have survived Herbert Hoover, Richard Nixon and the bush boys and we will continuse to survive. It would help if the birther,paranoid,and ignorant wingnuts would get off the Faux Noise koolade and ask their congressmen to start helping with the recovery from the bush recession and come out of denial that it really happened.
        ____________________________________________________

        Blame Bush, Blame Bush, Blame Bush, Blame Bush,
        Yell racist! Yes we can yes we can yes we can…ZEIG HEIL ZEIG HEIL! ;)

      • Aurelio

        NC, it was not the Bush’s recession, rather, the Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae recession, instigated by Barney Frank. The Bush Admin. warned Congress several times about Freddie and Fannie; Alan Greenspan also testified and warned about the mortgage bubble. So stop blaming Bush whose unemployment rate was way below, and try to use the little brain that you have left to remember gas prices and inflation under Bush. Your community organizer, the most unqualified of all candidates ever to run for President, had three years to help solve or at least improve the situation; instead, he has spent in only three years more than twice the amount that took Bush eight to spend.

      • meteorlady

        How I now tell a true liberal is that they are not intelligent enough to state facts or links, they just insult and mouth what they have heard or read in the lame stream media.

  • Vagabond

    Chip the only time I have noticed obama lieing is every time he opens his mouth<

  • Insurgent

    Typical LFN———————–what is sad is the fact this lying SOB is an illegal born in Mombasa, Kenya.

    Please Kenya, come to the US and get your villiage idiot!!!!

  • s c

    Chip, Chicago’s singular ‘gift’ to schizophrenic politics can always claim to be God [not 'a' god, but THE God]. I wouldn’t recommend it. But, you know how some people are when they get certain things into their heads. Making ‘that’ claim may be the only thing he hasn’t tried – yet.
    I’d gladly settle for some PROOF that he serves a constructive, practical purpose and that “somehow” America will be better or safer or intact when he has to exit the W H by the back door. Is that asking too much?

    • Flashy

      Notice Chip said he would list all the lies he could as he claims were stated by President Obama.

      ummmm..he cited two. Wow…

      The first was the 3 million new job creation. And even Chip grudgingly admitted it was not false. As we all know, at the time he was sworn in, we were losing almost a million jobs a month. A million.

      The Stimulus was passed, and the curve turned around. In other words, add in the fact that the hemmoraging of lost jobs was stopped. notice that whenever a new project opened in a state…how many of those members of the GOP who scream about the stimulus being a waste….why, they were right there jockeying for front position in the photo ops…and, in a great show of hypocrasy, were sending out notices to the voters TAKING credit for bringing jobs to their area !

      Now granted, Obama could have gone the economic path which the Right and the GOP espoused. Worked darn well for Hoover didn’t it. For that was the situation Hoover faced and his policies did not halt the slide into the Depression…it greased the rails hastening the decline.

      i’d say with the jobs saved, the heavy manufacturing base of the auto industry saved, the jobs saved and those created, as well as the laid off who went to school for retraining are now coming into the workforce better eductaed and trained for the 21st Century…and in light of the constant barrage, obstructions and lies from the Party of No…who stated from the beginning they wren’t interested in our nation’s well being…but only to put someone in the WH who would continue the attack on America’s Middle Class and working folks..

      Dam* good job Mr. President.

      As to the 1% billionaire tax payments? I do not doubt it, but difficult to prove as tax returns are not for public scrutiny unless released by that taxpayer…and I doubt the wealthy will want their taxes scrutinized to any extent. So it cannot be proven nor disproven. We do know that more than a few corporations paid zero taxes…and some received monies on top of zero taxation. That in light of the false claim US corporations are amongst the most heavily taxed in the world (that line is so funny, it is difficult anyone with an IQ above 10 believes it)

      So …ummm….I’d say Chip stated two he claimed were lies. And neither are.

      LOL …. there ya go folks.

      • Patrick

        You *really* do try out there, don’t you?

      • Flashy

        Patrick…it’s easy when all i have to do is cite facts and be honest about everything. It’s those who want to drag down this administration and instead support the American taliban and the Party of No that have a difficult time without lies, deceit, and twisting of fact, and refusal to think independently without being told what to think.

      • FreedomFighter

        Slow Kill Holocaust: Proof the Government is Killing You

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtCpMilUtdI&feature=uploademail

        Did globilist Obama tell you about this Flashy? Obviously he loves you.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Warrior

        16 Tril in debt = Failure
        SS = Failure
        Medicade = Failure
        Medicare = Failure
        Dept of Energy = Failure
        Dept of Edumacation = Failure
        Affordable Housing = Failure
        Dept of Justice = Failure
        Subsidies = Failure
        Tax Code = Failure
        War on Drugs = Failure
        War on Poverty = Failure
        Foreign Policy = Failure

        And the list of gubmint program failures goes on and on.

        Why in the world would anyone think that a program like “obamacare” will be successful given this track record?

        I say, give most of the new office holders elected in 2010 some much needed support (obviously some have been co-opted)and throw out the trash that was collected before that time. These useless idiots ARE and will continue to be the problem.

        Ron Paul’s foreign policies are somehow viewed as “radical”? Are you kidding me? How would you feel if a foreign country set up military bases on US soil? Stop creating boogie men to serve your expansionist tendencies. It’s been tried throughout history and has always led to the demise of EVERY EMPIRE!

        Get the hell out of this dem/repub paradigm and think about your personal liberty. This is the only way America will ever survive.

      • ValDM

        Flushy,
        You keep referring to the party of NO. The tables have turned on that particular expression, or if you would prefer “that’s so 46 seconds ago” according to the latest 4G commercials. The fact is that the Senate is dominated by the Dims, & they haven’t done anything but table practically EVERY piece of legislation that comes their way. Get yourself a new slogan about the party of NO, because “that’s so last year.”

      • DaveH

        Citing facts, Flashman? We’ve exposed at least two of your lies just on this board. No telling how many more. I get tired of reading your lying comments.

      • skyhigh1030

        Flashy keep listening to the messiah (Obama I mean really) He will do everything he can to convert the free and great United States to Socialism. I will be glad when I see Obama and his racist buddy Holder holding nands as they walk down Pennsylvania Ave fro the last time. GOOD RIDENCE

      • JC

        Flashy says:

        December 30, 2011 at 7:50 am

        Patrick…it’s easy when all i have to do is cite facts and be honest about everything.
        ______________________________________________________

        Honest about everything? Give me a break you are in the top 3 spinners of propoganda who troll on this site.
        Your deity is not even eligible to hold the office let alone behave like an American patriot. Nope, your man is nothing but conflicted statements and outright lies.

        Lies During Third Year

        Virtually every Senate Republican voted against the tax cut last week
        Examiner

        Then you’ve got their(GOP)which is dirtier air, dirtier water, less people with health insurance
        Barack Obama, campaiging in Asheville, NC, 10/17/11

        I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven’t resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it.

        American.com

        USA producing more oil than ever before
        Petroleum Insights

        Fence between US and Mexico is “Practically Complete”
        Department of Homeland Security says 5%

        Rich doesn’t pay their fair share.
        National Taxpayers Union

        Lies During Second Year

        No signing statements to nullify or undermine congressional instructions as enacted into law
        Obama Lies to Keep Czars

        No “boots” on the ground Libya
        Anyone that has worked with the AC-130 gunship can tell you, you need spotters to let aircraft know where the targets are. Usually it is Special Forces, Rangers etc trained for this mission. It’s CIA Agents in Libya on the ground

        Reform will also rein in the abuse and excess that nearly brought down our financial system. It will finally bring transparency to the kinds of complex, risky transactions that helped trigger the financial crisis.
        Obama Lies About Financial Reform Bill

        All Americans WILL BE were, “surprised, disappointed and angry” about lockerbie bomber
        Obama Memo

        I will not rest until the BP Oil Spill stops
        Obama’s Schedule

        The health care bill will not increase the deficit by one dime.
        Campaign and Presidency

        If you like the health care plan you have you can keep it
        TownHall

        “Under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions, and federal conscience laws will remain in place.”
        U.S. Capitol, Washington, D.C., September 9, 2009.

        ObamaCare Fee is not a new tax
        Obama denies healthcare is a new tax on all Americans

        We have run out of places in the US to drill for oil.
        Obama’s oval office speech in June 2010

        Now suddenly if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you can be harassed, that’s something that could potentially happen.
        Arizona Immigration Law

        Doctors choose amputation because they get better compensation. Greedy Doctors taking out tonsils for more money.
        Claims never documented

        The Health Care Package will pay for itself
        Time

        Republicans don’t have a single idea that’s different from George Bush’s ideas — not one.
        Hmm Immigration?

        We shouldn’t Mandate the purchase of health care
        Democratic Debate Lies

        I am immediately instituting PayGo “Pay as you go”
        Said during a speech immediately after the Trillion Dollar “Shovel Ready” bill.

        I got the Message from Massachusetts
        Daily Bail

        Lies During First Year

        We began by passing a Recovery Act that has already saved or created over 150,000 jobs.” – caught cooking the books and now changed to ‘jobs supported’ versus ‘created/saved’
        AP fact Checker

        Number one, we inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit. … That wasn’t me.” – Congress, under Democratic control in 2007 and 2008, controlled the purse strings that led to the deficit Obama inherited.Obama supported the emergency bailout package in Bush’s final months — a package Democratic leaders wanted to make bigger.
        AP fact Checker

        Collective salvation
        Obama calls himself a Christian

        I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
        Obama Inauguration. 20 Jan 2009

        Cut Deficit in Half by end of first term
        Associated Press Video

        Health Care deals will be covered on C-span
        Obama Lies

        As President I will recognize the Armenian Genocide
        ABC

        Recovery Act will save or create jobs
        ABC News

        Unemployment rate will be 8.5% without stimulus.
        Obama Lies

        No Earmarks in the $787 Billion Stimulus
        CNN

        I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care plan
        Specator.Org

        We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages.
        Obama Lies

        I am not somebody who promotes same-sex marriage.
        NPR

        Guantanamo bay to be closed within a year
        Council on Foreign Relations.

        Won’t Raise taxes on those making less than 250,000 per year.
        Businessweek: Obama Agnostic on taxes
        List of Tax Promise Violations

        2008 Campaign Lies

        My Parents met in the march on Selba
        Obama was born 4 years before they met?

        Take our nuclear weapons off hair-trigger alert
        ArmsControl.org – “the current alert posture … should not be changed”

        Mr. Ayers as “a guy who lives in my neighborhood,” but “not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
        News Busters

        I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps
        United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

        Obama campaign would accept public funding
        ABC

        Minimum Wage will increase to $9.50/hr
        A Socialist

        Ann Dunham spent the months before her death in 1995 fighting with insurance companies that sought to deny her the coverage she needed to pay for treatment.
        Mounting Heath Care Lies

        Didn’t know Jeremiah Wright was Radical
        Dreams of My Father – A radical Socialist.

        Would have the most transparent administration in History
        Cato Institute

        We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way.
        Boston Globe

        I have visited all 57 states.
        Snopes

        I’ll get rid of earmarks
        Source: Any bill passed during presidency

        When a bill lands on my Desk, The American people will have 5 days to review it before I sign it.
        Campaign Speech

        My father served in World War II.
        The Videos and the Facts

        Have troops out of Iraq by March 31, 2009
        News Video

        Seniors Making less than 50,000 will not have to pay taxes
        YouTube

        Would not vote for any bill supporting troop funding without a firm withdrawal commitment from the Bush Administration.
        He has done nothing but continue the Bush admins strategy and to explain how the “surges total failure” has now become his greatest achievement.

        Present Votes Are Common In Illinois
        NPR

        I Won Michigan
        Huffington Post

        I won Nevada
        The Nation

        I don’t Have Lobbyists
        US News

        My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad
        Crooks and Liars

        I Have Always Been Against Iraq
        Washington Post

        My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country
        CNN

        Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.
        Obama Campaign Video

        I Barely Know Rezko
        Sun Times

        My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church
        ABC News

        And on and on…

      • JC

        They all do it, so there’s no point defending the annointed one.
        Remove ALL Globalists from these United States!

      • Lastmanstanding

        my only reply is to state that those above me have said it all…and probably more…

        God bless all of you…vote Ron Paul 2012!

      • Jaime Dub C
      • Old Henry

        FreedomFighter:

        Thank you for the link. I passed it on to many others including my Congressman.

      • wildmann

        Hey Flashy, go get yo Baby Mama an’ get to the Welfare Office, Yo Check’s waitin’! Then go get yo SSI. Crazy money. Only a HARD CORE Recipient 47%er believes the B/S that The “Kenyan Kommie Klown” Usurper and his Lap-Dog Senate spew!

      • EnoughStupidity

        Yea …you spouted facts, but even in a court of law facts are not always the truth!!!! Truth always rises to the top and will eventually be revealed. One Truth is how many are out there that will not be counted because they used up all their unemployment time???? Cause I have a client who is in that condition and went to school with Mrs. President.

      • JC

        And a couple of my personal favorites from the Kenyan Usurper:

        “2008: ‘Navy Seal Team 6 is Cheney’s private assassination team.’
        “2011: ‘I put together Seal Team 6 to take out Bin Laden.’

        “2008: ‘Bin Laden is innocent until proven guilty, and must be captured alive and given a fair trial.’
        “2011: ‘I authorized Seal Team 6 to kill Bin Laden.’

        “2008: ‘Guantanamo is entirely unnecessary, and the detainees should not be interrogated.’
        “2011: ‘Vital intelligence was obtained from Guantanamo detainees that led to our locating Bin Laden.’

      • shibamom

        You, Flashy, are a complete putz!!

      • daniel

        Gee Flashy you sure got quiet after a few more of O’s lies. You will have to do better if you are trying for the position of Press Secretary.

      • USAF VET

        Flashy, it appears that you don’t read everything. Most of those “Obama Stimulus” jobs, were Government jobs, and most of the money went into the pockets of the unions and their people. And while there were 3 million jobs created, there were 5 million jobs lost. Where do you get a plus out of that? Only a liberal and their fuzzy math can come up with that.

      • ANNE

        FLASHY: You must be a liberal, they are the only ones that think Obama is better than sex. Obama so many lies and then he tells more lies to cover up the ones he has already told. You need to stop with the smoking that wacky stuff.

      • George says “What????

        Sorry Chip, you didn’t even watch the show. What happened to “know thy enemy”? Well, we know which way to lien and I would suggest you get up off the floor because you’ve fallen over.
        I think we have made some progress. At the end of the last administration we were in dead fall economically. We had yet to capture the most notorious criminal to commit a mass murder in America. He killed more Americans than all the serial killers combined. They threw tens and hundreds of billions of dollars at the problem while decreasing revenues running massive deficits. Obama got us a 2 for 1 deal. Just for the facts the CIA guys a Guantanamo have confirmed the information that lead to the death did not come from waterboarding in a congressional hearing and Kaddafi was killed by Nato forces which are 80% made up of US forces. So I say kudos to our young men and women who serve our country in this capacity.
        With regards to the 4-5 million jobs lost you are being a little factually incorrect. Those jobs were in sharp fall and it started at just before the end of the last administration and continued for a period in the new. About 6 months! What you are suggesting is that by purely being there it should have come to a stop and we all know that is not truthful. But if you look at the bottom of the dead fall there is a sharp change in the trajectory. Granted it was flat and no up at that point but we were no longer hemorrhaging jobs. We have seen a progression upward over the last 2.5 years.
        With regards to the cost to Americans, shame on you again, had Bush and the conservative congress at the time not ramp spending and cut taxes we would not have a deficit. Clinton had us on a reduction that would have put us a $0 at the end of the Bush dynasty. He added $10T to where we would have been, $5T if you lean right and only want to only count the added deficit and not the direction or change in spending.
        And spare me the BS that the rich pay it all. They don’t pay nearly there share. If you compare all taxes paid (State, local, Federal, Sales, Social Security, Medicare, and others) the 2% of the people who make 85% of the GDP only pay 60% of the taxes. The other 40% are the 98%. I can tell you my tax rate is around 25% if you include all taxes. They may not have a true 1% literally, but maybe some 2%, a few more 3% more 4%, etc…. and I would guess the distribution is bell shaped and starts pretty low. The real point is there are Americans paying squat who should be paying a lot more.
        As for dishonest speeches that stink of untruth, have you smelled the line up at the Iowa caucus for a 2012 Republican President. There is a lot of “Santorum” on that stage. Feel free to google it.

      • DavidL

        Flashy….

        Hit the nail on the head with both statements. Way to go! Unfortunately with much of the crowd writing on this site, including the author of this article(conservatives?), their extreme partisanship has blinded them to the point of psychosis. They are so fact-challenged that they no longer recognize reality.

      • David Jackson

        Wow. How much of that Kool-Aid did you drink, Flashy?

      • Ronald R. Johnson

        Flashy, almost sounds like we are talking about Obama! Just be sure when Obama is ready to pass out the KOOL ADE to all you Cult Members you are first in line and take two cups!

      • http://GodHelp Holy Terror

        Warrior and Freedom Fighter, I agree,this seem to be the only site I can vent on. My faith have taken me to deep to see it any other way, One scripture states we wrestle not against flesh in blood but against rulers and principalities in high places. and that sums up the government and every evil enitities. As they hang out in their satelites and advanced technology committing treason and espionage against every citizen the uphold the truth. Only to bring down our nation to their depraved and demented level of ignorance. they are.

      • Patrick M

        If only every *Loving Progressive Liberal *would have read the book by David Freddossa written long before the 2/08 election about the Ptesidemt of Record OZ Obama they o huld lready know all that mister liar liar pants on fire has done and will do until people quit lying for him and get someone who can look into acamera and twll the teuth. I pray daily for this president for some real hpnestegarding any of these so called accomplishmemts.

      • Lastmanstanding

        PM…they are not interested in facts…they are only interested in living large at the expense of others, using the gullible for votes to stay in power and believing that they will be exempt from “the rest of us.”

      • Lueder

        Maybe you should re-read the article again. Chip never said that he would list all of the occupier of the White House lies. “I’m NOT going to review all the dastardly lies, misstatements and gross exaggerations Barack Obama has made since he assumed the highest office in the land. That would take a lot more pages than we have room for today.” (emphasis added)

        I would ask, where have these 3 million jobs been added? In government or in the private sector? I am pretty sure (sorry, no source documentation) that the bulk of them are government jobs. Government jobs do not provide a tax base, they draw from it. A government worker is a leach on society, they do not contribute to the economy. You see, they take out much more than they put in. Are some government workers necessary? You bet, just as administration positions are necessary to a sales company. But do those administration positions bring in revenue? No, anymore than a government position does. But if all a company has is administration positions, there won’t be a whole lot of revenue coming in to keep the company (country) solvent. It really is a simple “DUH” in economics.

        Obama lies so much that I don’t think even he knows the truth anymore. He is an evil man and needs to go back to the rock he crawled out from under.

      • Flashy

        Actually, in the past two years the number of employees working for government has dropped. Had government kept those employed, the job numbers would have been much better.

      • DaveH

        Did you see what Leuder said, Flashman? He called you on your lie that Chip said he would list all the lies. And like most Liberals instead of admitting your lie, you changed the subject.

      • George E

        Flashy,

        So, after creating or saving all those good government jobs with the $800B stimulus money, many of these jobs have gone away in the end, and we’re still stuck with the $800B debt. That might have sounded like a good plan to some in the beginning, but I don’t see how any objective observer can say in hindsight that it turned out well. If we had kept all these government workers employed as you suggest, we would likely have simply increased this debt even more and they would have been laid off anyway when the money ran out. There are better ways to stimulate the economy and create jobs.

      • Snowy

        Personally I think he needs to go back to school and retake some basic classes. Since when are there 57 states in the U.S. and when did Hawaii become part of Asia? Those are just a few of his misstatements. A child in 3rd grade should know what the actual numbers and areas are and he (Obama) doesn’t?

      • big wyo

        facts flushy facts you said so dont get it.

      • Aurelio

        Either you read the news upside down, or much worse; you belong to that group of people victims of a terrible medical malpractice when doctors, mistakenly, dumped the baby at the time of birth and raised the placenta instead. Truth needs no defense, lies do.

      • Ms. Finney

        Lueder,

        If you want revenue, how about adding that 3% surtax on millionaires and billionaires for starters, that would add to the coffers don’t ya think?

      • George E

        Ms. Finney,

        Your question sounds logical and reasonable at first glance. Let’s look a little closer.

        Would you put that surcharge on wages? If so, you wouldn’t collect much because most people in this high income bracket get their income from investments, not wages. So, to extract more money from these folks you have to increase taxes on investment income, and that’s where jobs are created. “Shooting” at these folks using this “bullet” simply ensures you will hit yourself in the foot. Taxing income from wages simply hurts the working folks, not the ultra wealthy. And since it’s difficult to get a hard and fast definition of “wealthy” from our politicians, you can be pretty sure the definition will flex lower to any level they want in order to get more tax revenue, and you can be certain that most of that money will come from people who have to work for a living. Is that what you want?

      • Flashy

        George;

        let’s examine your statement that a 3% increase in the upper income tax brackets would hurt investments. Can you point to any era where such did so? Certainly not the Clinton years. Seems we were making out pretty good during the 90′s…and taxes on the wealthy were higher.

        Can you state where a tax on income of 3% would hurt investments when those in the higher tax brackets park the money in a fund or investment pool and have no input in the investment?

        And as far as jobs….if there aren’t people employed making money to buy the product and thus cause need to increase production, how does that create jobs?

      • Old Henry

        Ms. Finney:

        Here is a better idea.

        Let’s tax all politicians, Democrats and liberals at 90%. They love taxing and making sure the rich pay their fair share so they would not mind at all.

        We could also begin taxing the 47%er leaches so they have, as Little Barry likes to say, some skin in the game.

      • Karolyn

        OH – Why did you say “tax all politicians.” “Democrats and liberals”?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Your Envy is showing. Don’t you wish you could get that far and earn the millions and billions? Instead you would like to make sure that no one gets to earn and keep those millions and billions because You can’t earn them.

      • eddie47d

        Why would anybody Envy tax scammers and cheats who achieved their loot through defrauding the American people. Get a grip Nads!

      • George E

        Flashy,

        You can increase the tax rate on high income individuals if you want, but you will not get much money from the ultra wealthy like you think because they don’t have to work for an income. They get most of their income through returns on investment, and if you increase the capital gains tax to get at that income, you’ll hurt more people than the ultra wealthy because a lot of folks nowadays invest money. So, while you may think taxing the rich is a good idea, it just doesn’t work. Here’s a source that explains the benefits of lowering capital gains tax rates better than I can. http://www.house.gov/jec/fiscal/tx-grwth/capgain/capgain.htm. We have evidence that lowering tax rates can increase tax revenue by stimulating economic growth. Witness what happened to tax revenues after tax rate reductions by JFK, Reagan, and GWB. Obviously, there has to be a point where tax rates can be lowered too much, but I don’t think we’ve seen that point yet. Tax revenue increased during the Clinton administration as well even though tax rates weren’t lowered. This can be attributed to the fact that we had strong economic growth during that period in spite of the higher tax rates. I’m pretty sure you won’t find many times in the past where increasing tax rates stimulated economic growth and increased tax revenue. The 1990′s was somewhat unusual in that respect, so please don’t be confused that there is a positive relation between higher tax rates and accelerated economic growth.

      • Old Henry

        Karolyn:

        I guess my keyboard made a mistake in the verbiage. It is now Sunday evening so I am not completely sure of exactly how it should have read, but how about this.

        Let’s tax all politicians, be they Democrats, liberals or RINOs at 90%. They love taxing and making sure the “rich” pay their fair share so they would not mind at all.

      • skyhigh1030

        Right on mr Lueder

      • MRMO

        I THINK THAT WHEN EVER OBUMMER TALKS THEY SHOULD TAKE AWAY HIS PROMPTER, HOOK HIM UP TO A POLYGRAPH AND RUN IT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TV SCREEN FOR ALL TO SEE HOW MUCH TRUTH IS COMING OUT OF HIS MOUTH. I THINK HIS SUPPORTERS WOULD BE AMAZED .

      • Old Henry

        MRMO:

        LOL! That is a fabulous idea! What a mental picture that presents!

      • Karolyn

        Better yet, why not have all the Republican candidates hooked up to lie detectors?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Os’ supporters do not know or care that anything that is said by him is all lies.

      • eddie47d

        I would love to see more Republican ads be put to the truth test. It’s easy to rip them apart in all their lies.

      • Dennis48e

        “I would love to see more Republican ads be put to the truth test. It’s easy to rip them apart in all their lies.”

        It is even easier to rip the lies in your posts to shreds e4ddie.

      • Old Henry

        Better yet Lueder Little Barry the Communist Kenyan should be breaking rocks at Leavenworth. That would keep him healthy while he awaits the rope.

      • hipshotpercusion

        Hey flashy. Got anymore of those excellent drugs you’ve been using this morning?

        NoBama never again!

      • Bill

        BUSH: Iraq caused 911, Iraq has WMD, The war in Iraq is won, etc, etc,…………….

      • DaveH

        Duh, Bill, Bush was a bad president, we know that. Now take some smelling salts, Bill, and wake up. Obama’s been President now for 3 years.

      • skyhigh1030

        Mr Bill another liberal idiot that wounldnt have correct fact if it bit him in the ass!!!!!

      • JC

        Blame Bush, Blame Bush, Blame Bush, Blame Bush, Blame Bush,
        if that doesn’t work, point yell Racist!

      • talkinbout

        Be carefull JC, the left could easily say the same thing, ie: blame Obama, blame Obama, blame Obama and if that doesn’t work, yell Communist.

      • JC

        Thanks for the warning, but I’m way beyond caring what the left and a lot of the right thinks about anything. I want Constitutional Government and anyone who is against that is an enemy of the nation, period. :)

      • Winston Smith

        So, the other Hussein had NO WMD’s? We know this because … he blocked, stalled, intimidated and spoon-fed the UN Inspectors for MONTHS! And when they were finally able to peek here and there they found none. Therefore, he had none! There’s about EIGHT THOUSAND Kurds who might want to disagree – IF Hussein hadn’t MURDERED THEM WITH WMD’s!
        Just sayin’.

      • JC

        Winston, where did Hussein get those WMD’s?
        And isn’t it amazing that the Un and the Clinton
        administration stood idly by while tose Kurds were
        being gassed?
        Just sayin…

      • eddie47d

        CLINTON? The Kurds were gassed in 1988. Better do your homework and even then it was during the Iran-Iraq War. As awful as that was it was collateral damage of that war not a deliberate attempt to kill Kurds. Both sides were lobbing gas at each other.

      • JC

        Doing some checking eddie, so far I stand corrected.
        Seems most of those sad events happend on Geo. Sr’s watch.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “Seems most of those sad events happend on Geo. Sr’s watch.”

        Doesn’t matter when it happened it was a deliberate action against the Kurds not collateral damage as eddie claims.

      • JC

        That is true Buster.

      • Old Henry

        As I recollect JC / eddie, after Desert Storm was completed and Hussein Sr. was left in power old man Bush promised the Kurds we would give them support in the form of arms to fight the Hussein Sr.

        He then left them high and dry to be mass-murdered.

      • AVCurmudgeon

        hipshotpercussion! Man, does that take me back. Good ol’ Rick O’Shay, Deuces Wilde and the rest of the boys. Good times.

      • Old Henry

        Yep AV, the Sunday Chi Ka Go Trubune was the first thing I did after getting home from church. Great comic strip. Mort Gage the Banker.

        I remember one “episode” where Hipshot was practicing with his 6 gun and continually missed the target. He went back inside and came out with a shot gun. KABOOM! He got the target and simply said: “Sometimes success is just having the right tool”. LOL!

      • Skychief

        Ok Flashy, Here’s a few. Cut deficit in half first term, healthcare debates on CSPAN, Bills on internet for two weeks before a vote, no lobbyists in his administration, bombing Libya is in our vital interests, transparent, close Gitmo (which I’m glad he didn’t), open up drilling, secure our borders, and reach across the ailse to Republicans. I could go on, but you will have an excuse and will not accept the truth about this man. Have to go to work now to help pay for half of this country doing nothing, would love to continue though, there are so many more lies to remind you of.

      • Ms. Finney

        Skychief,

        You have a heck of a lot of nerve calling half of the citizens’ in this country out because they don’t pay FEDERAL INCOME TAX. The reason they don’t is because they are near, at, or below the poverty line. Every red cent that they make goes right back into the economy creating demand which in turn creates jobs. By the way, where are all the jobs the republicans campaigned on in 2010? In spite of their obstuctionism, the economy is picking up as well as Obama’s approval rating and our President will be re-elected to continue to move this country forward.

      • skyhigh1030

        Finney get real everybody know matter what you earn should pay thier fair share Get a job and dont live on government handouts Its alright to get help but too many people live off of other peoples tax dollars much to long beating the system and not getting productive Pay it forward and be gratful for the helpmake the USA a better country and we owe no one an apology get rid of this president before its too late and hey you crybaby libs quit blaming Bush Obama did more damage in his first three years than all the Presidents in history put together

      • Linda n Texas

        Ms. Finney,

        Have another drink of the kool-aide or another suck on whatever weed you are smoking.

      • MRMO

        HOW THIS LADY IS SMOKEN SOME REAL GOOD STUFF….

      • Brad

        Ms. Finney,

        Please review this link http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/13/news/economy/poverty_rate_income/index.htm here you can see since Ohmama election the US poverty rate has grown exponentially. As for the poor and their spaending, after housing, utilities, basis necessities and food, they very little left for discretionary, they tend to save for a rainy day if they can. Where do they spend that creates those jobs you talk about, farming, soap manufacturers, tooth paste, what do they spend on that creates new jobs? Ms. Finney you can’t answer that question can you, but I can tell you thing that is true, the poor that do work and pay taxes get more in return then what they paid in, that’s throught the earned income tax credit and the child tax credit if they have children. That’s just on the federal level, the poor get more back from their state. I’m a good steward, I work pay my taxes both to the fed and local gov, I pay my property taxes and every single other tax the state and fed come up with, I have two kids a house and I might get 1/4 back of the total amount of taxes I pay in each and every year.

      • big wyo

        Finney, what country do you live in? Or what planet? His polls are so low again he can’t crawl under them and he is a snake.
        Let’s face facts WORST EVER not even close.
        He is far and away most hated Politian ever and he is not eligible

      • JC

        Obama’s approval rating is picking up? Where?
        I heard that even the Kenyans are now accusing him of being “American” lol

      • L. Clark

        boy-is finney in never-neverland or WHAT?

      • r k

        Ms. Finney

        You are absolutely right and this Repubs are nothing but without any brains.

      • George E

        Ms. Finney,

        First, money spent by non-taxpayers stimulates the economy when it’s earned productively. It hurts the economy if the money is taken (taxed) from productive (working) citizens. Productive citizens can usually put their money to work more productively than the government can/does.

        Second, fairness to me dictates that everyone should pay something toward funding the government. No one should get a free ride regardless how little income they have. Otherwise, why wouldn’t non-taxpayers vote for the taxpayers to pay more and more taxes to fund greater and greater benefits for the non-taxpayers? I also think only taxpayers should be allowed to vote for the same reason.

        Third, it’s pretty tough for one third of the government (House of Representatives) to get things done when the other two thirds (Senate and President) block every attempt by the first to make changes. That’s basically what’s been happening since 2010. The House of Representatives has, however, blocked any further attempts by the other two thirds from enacting more job stifling legislation like the carbon tax (global warming legislation) the Dems wanted, and helped to keep spending from going up even more than it did when the Democrats controlled all three branches of government. Unfortunately, they have not been able to do more to control spending and encourage job growth, but that should change as Republicans gain more control over these three branches.

      • wandamurline

        Obama may compare himself to Johnson, Lincoln and FDR because he is a lot like them. L.B. Johnson stole social security in 1964 when he took all the money that was in a safe, interest bearing account and threw it into the general fund, issuing bonds to social security…bonds that are completely worthless….that would sum up what Obama has done for the economy….stole tax dollars to bail out his political friends. Then Lincoln, or honest Abe…maybe not so honest….put people in jail without habeas corpus and after four years into the civil war decided to blame it on the abolition of slavery. Here we go with new regulations and the class warfare that Obama has started. Now, to the last, FDR….who created the welfare system and stole the gold that American citizens held in their possessions….Obama wants America to be a welfare state and has done his best to meet those requirements. Therefore, he could compare himself to these presidents….however, there is one president that he certainly cannot compare himself to and that would be George Washington, a real hero and someone who loved America enough to place his life on the line for it.

      • todd mobley

        WELL PUT ;)

      • skyhigh1030

        If they payed everything they stole from SS it wouldnt be in trouble By the way I SUPPORT THE KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE FLAT TAX AND TERM LIMITS

      • Old Henry

        Yep skyhigh1030. Term limits. One life term behind bars.

      • Rick H.

        BRAVO Now to all you liberal crybabies…put that in your pipe and smoke it.

      • Eileen Jones

        If you want to see a real bunch of liberal crybabies, Go anywhere on Huffington Post. Ihave more fun driving them crazy, than any one person shoud have. They hate Repubs., Tea Party people,and conservatives !!!!Join me, My comment name is joneseileen28…..The more , the merrier. Happy New Year to you all…

      • MRMO

        I THINK ONLY AROUND HALF THE MONEY HES STOLEN HAS GONE TO HIS BUDDIES, THE OTHER HALF IS TO BE DONATED TO HIS RE-ELECTION FUND. THAT WAY THE WHOLE COUNTRY BUYS HIS WAY TO HIS SECOND TERM, WEATHER WE WANT TO OR NOT..
        RON PAUL 2012

      • Old Henry

        Wanda:

        You overlooked one of FDR’s shining moments – his internment of American citizens of Japanese decent and then stealing their property. What a perfect role model for Little Barry the Communist Kenyan the the Democrats.

      • http://msb Al Pazdernik

        still true – IF HIS LIPS BE MOVEN – HE BE LIE-EN

      • David Hutchinson

        Are you and folks like you really prepared for a life without social services networks. How do you propose to take care of those in need. Are you proposing folks should fend for themselves. Then folks of your mindset should prepare for a bullet to the head because a fend for yourself world is not possible nor did the founding fathers. They wanted stability and control. Imagine if the slaves organised in a world of strict order. We now see what fend for yourself does in the Middle East. They kicked our buts in Iraq and Vietnam with sticks and stones. Take care of the people here and violent revolts won’t happen here.

      • John DeSoto

        None of what you say justifies theft by the government in order to provide anything the Constitution doesn’t authorize the government to provide, and the Supreme Court is not Constitutionally authorized to interpret the plain language of the Constitution. The Supreme Court is only authorized to determine whether or not laws are Constitutional. Government no longer has the consent of the people who pay for the government.

      • Peter

        ..agreed… one more point.. all government is police.. each and every government official to some extent is a policeman. Certainly, we need police to protect us; however, when they steal from the average taxpayer to pay their constituency.. the police become thieves.

      • Joe Berger

        I AM NO FRIENDS OF OBAMA.
        But I don’t want to blame him for those of our present economic problems that were created by Bush. It was Bush who under the guise of DEREGULATION allowed everyone to falsify their mortgage applications with total impunity….almost causing a world wide financial collapse. It was Bush who started to implement the necessary “bail out ” operations. It was Bush who allowed almost unretricted illegal immigration from Mexico. It was bush who exported many of our jobs to Asia.
        It was Bush who started those rediculous wars in Afghanistan and most rediculous of all … in Iraq. It was Bush who started the gigantic profligate spending and deficits.
        You are right the Democrats are foolish, but the Repubicans are worse.

      • John DeSoto

        Republicans and Democrats are 2 sides of the same corrupt group. There’s no real difference between them any more. Our only real hope is a return to Constitutional government.

      • MAURICE

        This give away of the tax payers money started long before this. President Franklin D. Roosevelt stole our gold in 1933 and gave it to the FED. which is, An un-constitutional banking cartel who are no more Federal than FedEx,Federal trucking company,or Federal can company, but in name only. If you don’t believe that, check your history book, “the first 100 days” And read you Constitution. So the answer to the huge Debt limit, ($15 trillion and climbing every minute, daily. The answer to the controversy is spelled out right there in the Constitution, Article 1, Section 8. “The duties of the Congress” No where in this Constitution does it give Congress the authority to delegate the power “to coin money and regulate the value there or”.
        But, there is only one candidate, Republican or Democrat, who understands that, nor who is trying to do something and that is RON PAUL. The answer is simple. FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION,AND ABOLISH THIS OUTLAW FEDERAL RESERVE BANKS!!!!.

      • John DeSoto

        I agree, Ron Paul is our only chance to return to the confines of the Constitutional Republic the Founding Fathers formed for us. The only real arguments given against him are that he’s an isolationist, which is patently false. He believes in non-intervention which is completely different from isolationism.

      • sting45

        December 30, 2011 at 8:02 am
        Obama may compare himself to Johnson, Lincoln and FDR because he is a lot like them. L.B. Johnson stole social security in 1964 when he took all the money that was in a safe, interest bearing account and threw it into the general fund, issuing bonds to social security…bonds that are completely worthless….that would sum up what Obama has done for the economy….stole tax dollars to bail out his political friends. Then Lincoln, or honest Abe…maybe not so honest….put people in jail without habeas corpus and after four years into the civil war decided to blame it on the abolition of slavery. Here we go with new regulations and the class warfare that Obama has started. Now, to the last, FDR….who created the welfare system and stole the gold that American citizens held in their possessions….Obama wants America to be a welfare state and has done his best to meet those requirements. Therefore, he could compare himself to these presidents….however, there is one president that he certainly cannot compare himself to and that would be George Washington, a real hero and someone who loved America enough to place his life on the line for it.

        I agree with most of what you have said here, but Good ol’ George?

        George Washington was a theif and a liar ! He claimed thousands of prime acres of this country for himself, falsafied intel. to his armys in order to destroy the indians and make his property more sellable, cheated the companys that were paying him to survey and claim property for them and this list could go on and on. The highest office in this country has always been corrupt from the very beginning . The only good things that have come from the beginning is the constitution, bill of rights, etc.. We must protect those laws of or once great nation !
        Mr Obama should not even be in the same paragraph as any of these people. He hates this country, our laws, our constitution, and our way of life! He should be placed in history with the likes of Hitler, Stalin, maybe even Mao. 4 more years of Oblamer and you WILL see the end of the American way of life.

      • http://N/A H.D. Hemmings

        Absolute truth! I can’t do any better so I’ll just say ” thank you “! Happy New Year! We’ll have a chance to rid ourselves of the maniacs in D.C.!

      • aydene militello

        I suppose I could counter each of the claims in this post, but let’s face it, personal attacks, in general, border on the silly. One issue though, FDR stealing the gold from Americnas. Uhmm,,,there was a War on and much payment was demanded in gold. However; our gold was safe until DeGaul demanded gold on our Federal notes during Nixon’s tenure. President Nixon had no choice but to honor the demand as it was orinted on our dollars, “Payable on demand.” Ahh,,the French !

      • http://BobLivingston Rod Skare

        Move over Jimmy Carter; YOu have now lost your crown of the worse President of our country to Obama.

      • Ray L

        OK, I see the items forecasting the doomsday. Other than going to the root celler, and waiting for the election in November, what else can be done. The polatics are rife with rotteness and decay. The banks are on a money grab, and cities are strugging just to meet the basic needs. so HOW NOW BROWN COW?

      • http://aol stanleyteee

        Obama had the greatest chance to become the greatest President and he failed in ever way. The first Black American President that could have broke all barriers, put the Country back on a road of “we the people”. He could have opened millions of jobs instead of killing with new regulations. He sold out to Wall Street, Unions, banks. His Foreign Policy of apologizing and giving aid is wrong. The do nothing congress is held back by the Harry Reid Senate. Millions of jobs put on hold because of politics.

      • SidCook

        If you think those IOU’s are worthless, think again. They are from the United States,still the safest Treasury in the World. Who do you think would pay interest on all the Social Security Income, without having use of the Income. I don’t think that you understand the way money and Bonds work. Also the Government has the Power to tax it’s Citizens to pay off debt.

      • Tom SC

        This good for nothing in the oval office is not a Hero but more a NERO. I am expecting in the near future for the administration to call for the surrender of all firearms. I wil not comply. They will then call me an armed terrorist and send the troops to round me and all others who refuse and detain us for life in a FEMA Gulag. I will not go to a Gulag as long as my rifel is in my hands. I will die on the street first.

      • John DeSoto

        There are hundreds of thousands of us who intend the same, many of them are veterans or active military and law enforcement “Oathkeepers” who will not be disarmed or stand by as citizens are disarmed.

      • susan smith

        Good analysis of the presidential impersonator and his egomaniacal opinion of his own “greatness.” HA

      • http://rr07039 xavier`

        Your Critisism–so easy and not factual.

        Where are your GREAT facts and figures that would be greater
        than what our President has been trying to do—

      • Kevin Myatt

        I agree with your article. Barack Obama has to go down in history as the absolute worst President. He is a disgrace and an embarrassment to the traditions that have made America great. I long for the day when he is no longer the President of the United States. Go back to Chicago Barack we don’t want you.

      • Stan Haddock

        HAVING STUDIED HISTORY AS FAR BACK AS TIME WILL ALLOW, YOU HAVE HIT THE MARK DEAD ON,FDR,LBJ AND OBAMA HAVE BEEN TOTAL DISASTERS, THE PROMISES THAT OBAMA HAS MADE HAVE BEEN FALSE AND TOTALLY EMPTY, YET HE HAS A TRIED AND TRUE FOLLOWING THAT THINKS THAT STILL THINKS HE THE ONLY THING HAS HAS ACCOMPLISHED IS WALKING ON WATER, I WILL LEAVE THAT ONE TO BIBLICAL HISTORIANS.

      • RONALD PAYNE

        YOU ARE THE FIRST PERSON THAT HAS EVER PRINTED MY THOUGHTS, ESPECIALLY ABOUT OLD ABE NOT BEING SO PURE OR SUCH A GREAT PRESIDENT. I HAVE SAID THIS ABOUT ABE TO OTHER PEOPLE BUT GOT NO RESPONSE FROM ANYONE. THEY PROBABLY BELIEVE THE HISTORY BOOKS IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

      • John DeSoto

        Then they would do themselves well to read “Lincoln Unmasked” by historian and author Thomas DiLorenzo…

      • thomas pardue

        Please, give Obama a break. He spits out what his handlers tell him. He is only a titular president, who was put in the office by the Rothschilds. Muslim…a sympathizer for certain and a Muslim…Well, if it walks like a duck,quacks like a duck….
        He is destroying our country in every manner possible. Obama has no respect for the constitution. He circumvents congress and the constitution by use of his czars or agencies when he can’t pass what he wants. Constantly downs our country and attempts to rewrite history. Oh! But he can play basketball. God Bless America

      • http://yahoo David

        The fact that Congress has released this money to the Palestinians is a vote against Israel and is another reason to impeach Obama. This government that says it is in favor of Israel is lying and supporting terrorists. Our enemy! that is totally totally unacceptable.

      • http://facebook David H Behrens

        Obama’s deranged, deleberate Socialists policies of destroying Americans, is praised and defend over an over by his base of Liberal Democrats, OWS Anarchists, World Socialists and World Tyrants, as they all hate the American Democracy and Capitolism and want to see it all just collapse.

        Obama is a calculating powerful, rich Shyster and his gang of powerful, rich Conmen, Crooks in his Admistration are all out to kill the middle class and turn it into the lower class, so that bunch of heartless, wealthy cronies can totally control the poor ones, who need food stamps and welfare to live, as more and more of them will have to beg for help and will be kept down, like Lackeys.

      • Deborah

        I whole heartidly agree with what you are saying, but I would add that unlike todays professional polititions,(who become millionares while in office.)George Washington helped bankrole our fledgling country. SELF sacrifice was what made this country strong. Greed and power hungry individuals are running us now. We need more Washingtons, more men and women of integrity, honesty, high morals and ethics. When did we lose our way? We have become sheep being lead to the slaughter. Wake-up America, before it’s too late. 2012 will be a pivotal year for us as a nation and a free people. Do we posses the backbone and willingness to win this battle for freedom? I hope so.

      • vic

        i would never compare obumma to lincoln. lincoln was a genuinely good man who made tough choices. obumma is a fraud deliberately out to sabotage the US.

      • John DeSoto

        Lincoln was a schemer and a socialist who regularly corresponded with his friend Karl Marx, and who would be condemned as a war criminal by the same standards that were used at the Nuremburg trials.

      • http://WVI Joe Spenner

        %o years ago, the American people would have run Obama out of the country!
        The Federal Reserve’s “RULE FOR REVOLUTION, and satanic “Bohemia Grove’s,” edicts have corrupted the American system so badly it is decaying for loss or return to the once solid character, founded on the principles of our first great leader. For proof and best hope is in re-aplying: “GEORGE WASHINGTON’S FIRST INAUGURAL ADDRESS.”

      • jim

        total agree

      • Allan

        Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent “Trust” fund and put it into the General fund so that Congress could spend it?

        A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratically-controlled House and Senate.
        As noted above, the monies paid into the Social Security trust have never been “put into the general fund.” The requirements for how the Social Security Trust Fund is to be financed and invested have not changed since the fund’s inception in 1939. The reference to Lyndon Johnson indicates that someone was probably confused by a change implemented at the end of the Johnson administration (1969) that altered how the fund was accounted for in the federal budget but did not change the actual operations of the fund itself:

      • Stuart Esrock

        You seem to call yourselves Christian, but from what I observe, you are merely a liar.

      • jeff hall

        While I am not a supporter of Obama or the policies he puts forth, blaming the actions of Congress on him is misapplied blame. He can only put forth a plan that Congress has to implement by allocating expenditures and creating new laws. While I don’t eliminate Obama from the blame, I put much more of the blame on Congress for the direction this country is headed.

      • C.M.

        I agree with you about Johnson and FDR, but Abraham Lincoln is as honest as his reputation of these many decades proclaims. I have studied his life and the political scene at length. He did what he had to do to save this nation as a nation. Someday we will thank him for these wonderful extra 150 years he has given us! He dealt with secret combinations, rebellious and treasonous states, foreign countries planning to carve up the U.S., plots against his life, a broken economy and split country, not to mention a huge civil rights problem that the Founders had planned to see eliminated soon after the Constitution was ratified. He even invited personal and political enemies into his cabinet because the nation needed their expertise. They eventually all admired and even loved him! Do not criticize him and, whatever you do, do not compare him with Obama!

      • TheOtherWhiteMeat

        Will you marry me?

      • paul thurman

        GREAT ARTICLE! Bravo! Keep it up!I was shouting as I read it!Thank you. Play it again Sam!

      • CHUCK U oBAMA

        Impeach Obama!

      • Ms. Mc

        You’re a stupid,disrespectful person. I bet you voted for Bush

      • Olin Ross

        Since 36% of the White kind are on welfare what do you think they are going to say about you lying ignorant stinking dingbat repukes …..

      • RightGunner

        Very interesting. I always wanted to search to find who in Congress first started to spend the Social Security receipts by placing them in the general fund with the tax receipts. You say, “L.B. Johnson stole social security in 1964 when he took all the money that was in a safe, interest bearing account and threw it into the general fund, issuing bonds to social security…bonds that are completely worthless….”. Could you reference a source for this, I am not challenging you, I just want to investigate this further, including how the Federal Government managed the investment in an interest bearing account. Thank you in advance for any information you can provide.

      • Randy C

        He aint no Ronald Reagan either!!!

      • Lance

        Prior to 1964 the social security trust funds were invested solely in US Treasury bonds now the social security trust funds are still invested solely in US Treasury bonds. These bonds are exactly the same credits as the savings bonds held by the US public and the tresury bonds held by foreigners like the Chinese. Only a moron would claim they are “worthless ious” because they are obligations of the US Government.

      • Doris

        I agree with this article and in reply to Santiago, Obama says he will govern without congress so I guess he is taking it upon himself to do anything he wants to.

      • Jill

        Washington was also a free mason. They worship the devil in a round about way.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        The largest job loss was 700,xxx, and I believe that was February 2009. The job loss continued, as the uncertainty of what exactly this Totalitarian Socialist (Nazzzi, Commie, Marxist) would do. As the uncertainty continues to this day, no one will invest in Plants, Equipment, Employees, etc. Until that uncertainty is removed there will be no investment made. What don’t you understand about it?

      • NC

        Captalist, I am over 70 years old and a history major and every presidential election since 1932, at least, Republicans have called Democrat candidates just what you called Obama ” a socialist and a Marxist” and warned the American people that Democrats ,if elected, would ruin our free market society and ruin our capitalist society because they didn’t know how to run it.
        Do you know that if A REPUBLICAN had invested $10,000 in S&P “stocks” in 1929 and took it out when Democrats went into office and put it all back when Republicans came back into the White House and did that everytime Republican were in the White House that the investment would have been worth just under $12,000 when bush II left office BUT IF YOU HAD DONE THE SAME THING WITH $10,000 IN the SAME STOCKS WHEN democrats were in office, “the Democrat investment” would have worth over $ 300,000.OO WHEN CLINTON LEFT OFFICE.$300,000.00 UNDER DEMOCRATS AND JUST UNDER $12,000 UNDER REPUBLICANS. SEEMS TO ME THOSE “SOCIALIST MARXIST” DEMOCRATS HAVE MANAGED THE ECONOMY QUITE WELL IN THE LAST 80 YEARS. THERE IS AN OLD SAYING THAT BACKS THIS UP! “THE STOCK MARKET LOVES THE DEMOCRATS!!!”" I WONDER WHY THEY SAY THAT? FOR PROOF OF THIS I INVITE ALL REPUBLICANS TO GO TO “BULLS, BEARS, DONKEYS AND ELEPHANTS” ON YOUR SEARCH ENGINES. LOOK IT UP.

      • Brad

        Hey NC,

        How are the markets loving Ohmama and his crony capitalists, deficits are up, S&P down grades the US first time ever, poverty is up under Ohmama. Right now history will call Barrack H. Obama the worst US President in history, his administration and the democrats in the house and senate since 2007 have systematicly brought down the greatest economy in the world.

      • Old Henry

        Brad:

        To quote Helen Thomas from the Clinton era: “Everything that should be up is down and everything that should be down is up. The country is going to hell in a handbasket.” She caught ole dick-for-brains off guard with that one and it certainly applies to the here and now.

      • Joe

        Weeeel, no. He said, in fact, that he was NOT going to bother to take the time to rehearse all of Dear Reader’s lies. Work on your reading comprehension a bit. And yes, those *are* lies. (The “jobs saved stuff” is hilarious. Reminds me of the guy who gets on a railroad train through Kansas. The fella sitting across from him keeps snapping his fingers every couple of seconds. Guy #1 finally can’t help asking, “Why are you doing that?” The other fella says, “It keeps the wild elephants away.” Mr. 1 says, “But…there *are* no wild elephants in Kansas.” #2 says, “See?! It works!” In a similar vein, ol’ Hussein O. claims he “saved” a gadzillion jobs, when there is absolutely no way to support that claim. “If it weren’t for my administration, the wild elephants would be storming the train by now!” Risible, though tragic.

      • http://Personallibertydigest Mary

        Flashy, he said he wasn’t going to list ALL of Obama’s misstatements, that he was only going to list TWO of them.
        To the fact that WE paid to save GM, the Pres. crapped all over the people that had invested in the co., and gave it to the UNIONS!, WE PAID for this through our taxes.
        IF he did created 3 MILLION jobs, well goody, goody, gumdrop, PROVE it. Then also to that we brought in over 4.5 MILLION Legal immigrants in this 3 years, so where’s the net GAIN for American citizens, to say nothing of the 20 MILLION Illegal aliens allowed to work here, if caught, they get fired, but NOT DEPORTED, so they are FREE to go to another job site, check it out at numbersusa.com, get a gander at what Obama is allowing to happen to the country that our forefathers fought and some died for to happen.
        NOW Obama is telling these illegal law breakers that they have “rights”, the same rights as legal citizens and legal immigrants, look for the next amnesty attempt, they are working on one right now, another DREAM ACT for illegal aliens, up to 35 years of age!!! Good Grief, slap legal immigrants in the face, they get off scott free at the expense of legal citizens, BILLIONS every year to support the leaches!

      • NC

        Mary, where are we going to find a president to handle the immigation problem? Reagan and the two bushes made sure that big business contributors kept their cheap labor. Clinton didn’t do any better with the problem. Obama inherited 13 million illegals from bush but I have heard that the numbers are dropping because bush wrecked the economy to the point there are fewer jobs available to them. The Republican candidates are divided on whether to build prisons for 13 million 1llegals that “we” (?) can’t have running around but that’s another big money program the Republicans are against or build a fence from sea to shining sea. How much is that a foot?Perry says a fence is NOT the answer and he has more “footage” than anyone. Ron Paul would probably tell you that if elected he would just say “Boo” and they would all run back south of the border. BIG PROBLEM, MARY!!

      • Flashy

        Actually, the numbers deported for being undocumented has increased under Obama.

        What is needed is a Congress who will insist those knowingly employing undocumented workers do jail time. Alas….i don’t believe any such bill has been introduced. Wonder why that GOP House hasn’t seen fit to introduce such legislation ?

      • MRMO

        HAY FLASH, I DON’T SEE YOUR BE-LOVED DEM’S. PUTTING OUT ANY BILLS..

      • skyhigh1030

        WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL ALIEN MAKES YOU LAGAL TO BE HERE OR GIVES YOU THE RIGHTS OF A US CITIZEN MORE LIBERAL HYPERBOLE BULL TRYING TO KILL THIS GREAT COUNTRY FROM WITHIN WHATS NEXT SHRIA LAW GIVE ME A BREAK

      • talkinbout

        Mary, you say, “To the fact that WE paid to save GM, the Pres. crapped all over the people that had invested in the co., and gave it to the UNIONS!, WE PAID for this through our taxes.”

        If the Pres. hadn’t bailout GM and Crysler their stock wouldn’t be worth anything and the people who invested in them would have lost everything anyway. Also, the bailout saved thousands of jobs and the companies had to re-organized as part of the deal and have paid back most of the money to the tax payers with interest.
        When Bush bailed out the banks there were stipulations so they spent the money on themselves.

      • talkinbout

        Sorry, meant to say, “there were NO stipulations so the banks spent it on themselves”.

      • Karen

        You must be a socialist or Communist? Where have you been since Obama has been in office? Apparently, you have not been in this Country! Obama and his cronies are the biggest liars in this country right now! They don’t care about the American people, they care about the UN’s agenda 21 and New World Order! They care about the FEMA camps that they have setup all over the country for people that don’t believe their lies!

      • DaveH

        Flashman is almost certainly an Obama operative, here to attempt to interfere with good people who want to learn truth. For those who don’t know:
        http://www.personalliberty.com/asset-and-wealth-protection/preserving-wealth/what-now/#comment-439910

        I would guess that he and Jeremy Leochner (who also came back from the dead recently) have gotten smart enough to change their IP addresses by now.

      • Flashy

        Dave…I had commented on that in an earlier post when I returned. Try again. I stand by what I stated back then as well as my recent comments.

      • DaveH

        The regular readers know you, Flashman. You have no credibility on this board.

      • eddie47d

        News Flash Dave …you are losing your credibility!

      • DaveH

        You Lie, Flashman. How usual.
        Flashman says “Now granted, Obama could have gone the economic path which the Right and the GOP espoused. Worked darn well for Hoover didn’t it. For that was the situation Hoover faced and his policies did not halt the slide into the Depression…it greased the rails hastening the decline”.
        The problem is, Flashman that Hoover sought the path of Government Intervention (just like Obama) instead of butting out like Warren Harding did in the 1920 crash. The 1920 crash ended in about a year:
        http://mises.org/daily/2902

        The fact that you keep spouting the same old nonsense, and that you have been commenting here for well over a year, tells me that your intention here is not to learn, but to spread Propaganda. Time after time, I have exposed your Fabricated Facts, and still you keep on.
        How much do they pay you, Flashman, to try to keep good people from learning truth? Come clean, Flashman, it will do your soul good. Yeah, I know, I’m Hoping and Dreaming majorly.

      • skyhigh1030

        THE LIBERAL PROPAGANDA MACHINE LIKE THE DEVIL IS ALIVE AND WELL GOD BLESS AMERICA

      • Flashy

        Mises again? Dave..i keep telling you, you’re rotting your brain with that stuff. i read that article. the assumptions were laughable and….you should note…not one comment on government poilicy during Hoover’s administration.

        Oops.

        Take a gander at FDRs 100 Days. Note what was done. Ask yourself, if such was done in 1930, how the Depression would have been averted as the effects of the 29 Crash began taking effect.

        Again…the Right wanted Hooverism in response to the collapse of the economy due to the Bush/Cheney GOP years. ya really think that would have done anything but send us over the abyss?

      • DaveH

        Are you so deranged, Flashman, that you think anybody who has read the article would believe that you read it with your statement “not one comment on government poilicy during Hoover’s administration”?
        Good Grief, man, you must have no pride at all.

      • JC

        Dave, Mises and Austrian economics in general scare the hell out of Flash and his kind…just too much reality for them. Imagine, a world without generational welfare…The stuff of nightmares for Flash and the Gang. ;)

      • eddie47d

        There are too many bogeymen on the right to be scared JC. Dave is a professional insulting troll .Are You?

      • JC

        Dave has my respect.
        You don’t, and neither does any useful idiot socialist.

      • JMJ

        Flashy: If you get your “facts” all by yourself, then, boy, you are in trouble. First FACT: re-read (or have someone do it for you) Chip’s first three sentences. Amazing isn’t it? Not what you wrote is it? If we tried to tell ALL of the big “o” lies, the computers would melt down. 3 million “jobs”? Where are they? Unless, of course, you would count (as Obama does) jobs that give a person less then 40 hours per week, no benefits to speak of & very low pay, well maybe, you might have a valid point & I’m sure that these people will invite you to their houses for dinner as they have so much extra food in their cabinets, thanks to OBAMANISM. Wake up & face the truth! This country is going down very fast because of Obama’s & his fiendish democratic, un-american politicians. +JMJ+

      • Dale

        Flashy, Read Chips article againhe said he was only going to comment on 2 instead of all of them

      • Dntmkmecmoverther

        Hey Flashy (that must refer to your butt every morning flying out from under the bedsheet; what a vision) There is not enough room on this blog to list all the lies of this president. Let’s begin with this one:
        ‘The US is on longer a Christian nation’
        or “you can keep your current health plan’(only true until his gawdawful plan kicks in during 2014)

        Or how about this whopper:
        “I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven’t resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it.”

        Obummer was speaking of welfare and SS checks which are automated; to stop them would literally take an act of congress and a huge revamp of the software and management which oversees the printing and mailing of said checks. Obummer’s statement was patently false.

      • Flashy

        Let’s go through the ones you listed, since the two that Chip commented on aren’t lies…and I discussed how they weren’t.

        1. The US is on longer a Christian nation’ … never was one. As first stated by Pres. Adams (I believe 1803). Only closed American taliban would think we ever were a “christian nation”. We hold many values common to that sect, but we are not a nation of it. now…go and find the speech he stated that, and listen to what he was stating before and after. See how taking one small snippet can twist meaning?

        2. or “you can keep your current health plan’(only true until his gawdawful plan kicks in during 2014) ” Really? And pray tell why would you have to change your plan after 2014? There is nothing in the law or proposed implemntation regs that state you have to change plans. That’s your lie, not the President’s.

        Or how about this whopper:
        3. “I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven’t resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it.” Remember when Newt tossed a frizzy and called Clinton’s stand and the government shut down? As the President stated…nothing was guarateed as no one knew what would be left after the “must” bills due were paid. As for stopping payments if required…simple. To think software makes it more complicated is foolishness. fact is…getting back to your comment…no one was guaranteeing payments would be made. Because no one could.

        Batting 5 for 5 folks. I’m not syaying the President never lied…but so far, the ones you guys hype sure aren’t the whoppers you’re saying they are. fact is…you’re rpeating lies that are not true.

        Chew on that …

      • BoxMeNot

        Well Said,Thank U

      • TML

        “Notice Chip said he would list all the lies he could as he claims were stated by President Obama.

        ummmm..he cited two. Wow…”

        The rest of your post just lost all credibility when your attention span is so short that you don’t even realize that Chip said he would NOT list ‘all’ the lies.

      • clarence swinney

        FLASH DA SMASHY KING GO BOY GO SMASH

        A LIE IS “INTENT TO DECEIVE”

        Like Bush and 11 staffers 935 on WMD. That is big Lie
        Like Bush 254 at google clarence swinney + Bush Lies or + Bush waffles
        Like Reagan over 300 in book Ronald Reagan: “There He Goes Again”

        Show me ONE LIE(Intent To Deceive) Lord Willian Of Hope told us on POLICY. A challenge I have made to many many Conservatives . Not One. Not One. None. Zero=None=zap Tell me o n e!

        Newt Congress spent $110,000,000(GAO number)on Hearings-Investigations trying to destroy Clinton as you guys are doing on King Barack of Harvard. Go Tarheels.

        $110M got what? 1=one=one less than 2=Young man took $12,000 of ball games trips from corp pals from college.He could not afford to fight OIC Smaltzsmear so pled guilty. Even Smaltzsmer said no quid pro quo just doing since college but now illegal in executive bramch.
        (not legislative).Newt was taking $200,00 family vacatiuon in Europe paid for by Electronics Lobbyists who had a bill before Congress

        Intent To Deceive not error in judgment not change of mind
        When stated intent was to deceive Like 935 on WMD.

        Give it you best shot. INTENT

        Did Reagan lie when he said he would cut size of goverment instead increased it by 80%???? NO. He meant it. He just stoopid.

      • Brad

        Clarence,

        All I have to say sir is 15.167 Trillion and counting, in less than three years our current administration and congress have added more to the deficit then any other president or congress put together.

      • big wyo

        clarence – you make no sence are you on meds?

      • meteorlady

        What a weird rant. Blame blame blame. As for Bush – he had no less than 9 UN Resolutions and the FULL vote of the congress BEFORE entering into war. How does he always bear the full brunt of this item? I believe Ted Kennedy made a rousing speech in support of going to war, as did a few other liberal Democrats, but that’s all conveniently forgotten.

        Yet Obama goes into Libya without any congressional approval land that’s just find and dandy to you people right? How about ‘ADVISORS’ in Africa – is that Ok also?

        Get a life and live in the present.

      • Old Henry

        Flashy / Flashman / Jerremy / Jovie:

        You can ALWAYS tell when Little Barry is lieing – his lips are moving.

        What Chip overlooked, or did not want to use the space to mention, was that in that “3 million jobs” were many that were “saved” and not CREATED. So, the actual number of NEW jobs is somewhat murky.

      • MRMO

        I THINK THAT WHEN EVER OBUMMER TALKS THEY SHOULD TAKE AWAY HIS PROMPTER, HOOK HIM UP TO A POLYGRAPH AND RUN IT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TV SCREEN FOR ALL TO SEE HOW MUCH TRUTH IS COMING OUT OF HIS MOUTH. I THINK HIS SUPPORTERS WOULD BE AMAZED .
        THE ONLY CHANGE I SEE IN OBUMMER FROM THE OTHERS IS HE LIES ALL THE TIME NOT JUST HALF. WELCOME TI IL. WHERE THIS STANDERD RUNNING TO GET INTO OFFICE..

      • meteorlady

        He would be frozen in silence or there would be a lot of ah ah ah ah ah ssss…

      • MNIce

        Flashy, your claim about Herbert Hoover’s failed approach is aimed 180 degrees off-target. Hoover’s most disastrous attempt to halt the depression ended with the collapse of the banking industry: “… Then [Hoover] set up the Reconstruction Finance Corp. to bring federal aid to hard pressed banks and businesses. Just as it seemed that this might work and that recovery was at hand, in the winter of 1932-33 the banking system in America went into a tailspin. On March 4, 1933, the American banking system ground to a complete halt.” The RFC was based on the same idea as Bush’s TARP and your hero’s TARP II. The failed stimulus programs are a reprise of FDR’s New Deal agencies that prolonged the Great Depression by taking capital out of the economy to spend on government programs. If you don’t understand how borrowing 1/3 of the GDP in only three years will have a substantial negative effect on the economy, you don’t understand basic finances. (Hint: go to your banker and ask him why he will not lend you 1/3 of your annual paycheck for expenditures that cannot be made into collateral.)

        Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_did_Herbert_Hoover_do_in_response_to_the_stock_market_crash_in_1929#ixzz1i29TBMqI

      • independant thinker

        As usual Flashy starts off with a lie.

        “Notice Chip said he would list all the lies he could as he claims were stated by President Obama.”

        That IS NOT what Chip said. what he did say is:

        ” I’m not going to review all the dastardly lies, misstatements and gross exaggerations Barack Obama has made since he assumed the highest office in the land. That would take a lot more pages than we have room for today.

        No, for now I want to mention just two of his most recent assaults on the truth.”

      • granny mae

        Hey there independant thinker,
        Very good post ! LOL ! I’m with you !

      • Nora Smith

        And, some people are still in denial! obama made them believe the wonder deeds he has done because he wants another term to finish America.

        Certainly, God the Creator of all is not pleased seeing His creatures taking His place. This administration has been good for: Wars, stealing taxpayers$$ to kill 4,000+ babies a day by Planparenthood, millions homeless & unemployed, and on and on -it’s a total chaos provoked by the creature!!!

        NO THANK YOU obama, the “ISOLATIONIST” ‘president’

      • big wyo

        Ole flushy cant read. actually he has never created sh@t.

      • clarence swinney

        But for a lot of reasons, Chris Bergin, president and publisher of Tax Analysts, said, “It is certainly not implausible.”

        Last year, 4,000 households with incomes over a million dollars owed no federal income tax whatsoever, according to Tax Policy Center estimates.

        What’s more, of the top 400 federal tax returns with the highest adjusted gross incomes in 2008, 30 had an effective tax rate of less than 10%, noted Mark Luscombe, the principal federal tax analyst at CCH.

        A big reason is that a large percentage of wealthy Americans’ income comes from investments, which are often taxed at lower rates than ordinary wages and salaries.

        What’s more, some perfectly legal tax code provisions allow taxpayers to reduce their investment tax bills even further.

      • meteorlady

        So Clarence – how much percentage wise to the rich pay in taxes? Because that’s the issue, not who doesn’t pay. There are a lot of “paper” millionaires and business people. I hate half truths…..

        You might also mention that 47% of the people living in this country PAY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL. Many that didn’t even pay taxes get money back so what’s your point here? Class warfare?

        I’m a business owner and the government DOES NOT CREATE JOBS. They hinder job creations through biased and special interest regulations, high taxes, low deductibles and all the special payroll taxes. Example: Washington state just increased their minimum wage – my brother-in-law is laying off one person because business is slow and he can’t afford to keep a person at that rate of wage….. Meanwhile they also increased in B&O tax which hit him at a bad time.

      • clarence swinney

        chippedwood nevers mentions that
        Repug Senate killed 127 bills
        Some passed House unanimously.
        Some were job creators. Poor help
        Repukes do not care for America.
        They are anti christ anti america anti world
        10% own 70% net wealth and financial wealth
        Repugnuts want them to get 90%

      • JC

        Still putting scotch on your corn flakes Clarence?

      • meteorlady

        I’m in business and I closely watch whats being considered. THERE WAS NOT ONE single bill that would have done anything for me so that I can grow and create jobs. If you know of what I’d be happy to look at it.

      • http://al@bellaproducts.com al metcalf

        Flashy, you might try reading the first two paragraphs of Chip’s article again.
        As for jobs saved – Hmmm, try to quantify nothingness, it is a tough sell, but evidently your buying.
        The auto industry. They are private corporations and need to operate in that marketplace. Taxpayers could freely invest in them if they wanted to, it is not the position of the Feds to invest for us. You know, it is the FREEDOM THING IN OUR CONSTITUTION.
        Wake up Flashy or one day you will find yourself in chains and wonder how you got there.

      • Jibbs

        Read the first line of the first paragragh and the first line of the second paragragh smart guy!

      • Jules

        Flashy–Go back and read it again he said he wasn’t going to list them all, but was going to “mention just two of his most recent assaults on the truth”. Pay attention and maybe next year we’ll have a new Republican President.

      • kab

        Flashy -

        “Notice Chip said he would list all the lies he could as he claims were stated by President Obama…”

        Um, no, he said – “I’m not going to review all the dastardly lies, misstatements and gross exaggerations Barack Obama has made since he assumed the highest office in the land. That would take a lot more pages than we have room for today.
        No, for now I want to mention just two of his most recent assaults on the truth. ”

        To begin your insane diatribe with such a fallacy indicates that you didn’t actually read any of what he said, which makes the stupidity of your response understandable.

        Anyone who can, with a straight face, say that Obama has done anything beneficial for our country as a whole, has obviously been smoking something even a Libertarian wouldn’t legalize.

        Go back to Media Matters and find a new place to troll.

      • Paula

        Flashy, you really are stupid. If you would go back and read the very beginning of the article you would see he said he was only going to mention 2 (“I’m not going to review all the dastardly lies, misstatements and gross exaggerations Barack Obama has made since he assumed the highest office in the land. That would take a lot more pages than we have room for today.

        No, for now I want to mention just two of his most recent assaults on the truth.”)

        Last week Barbara Walter interviewed him and he said deep down he is lazy (well ok that’s the true). But also in the interview he said he has not been able to accomplish all that he wanted because of congress. What a bunch of bull, democrats held the majority for both the House and the Senate for the first 2 years and Obama manage to give away trillions in tax payers money and get Obama care passed. Let me tell you if that actually ever goes into affect you will be very unhappy.
        He was able to secretly give away billions to his green agenda, and we did not find out until that failed and were forced to file bankruptcy.
        What was all the bull about the extended 1 year tax cut. Obama said he wanted a year. The House (republican) put together a proposal for 1 year. The senate (democrat) refused to accept it and only wanted 2 months. I think Obama said one thing to the public and told the Senate, no matter what the House proposes I want you to rejected. There by making the House appear weak.
        They added up all the time he has spent on the golf course since becoming President and it amounted to 3 months (that is one month a year) and that is on top of all the other vacations he has taken.
        I think he expected to be a 1 term president, so he has been living the high life at the tax payer expense.
        So, I think about all the crap Obama has done and I ask what has he done right?

      • KHM

        @ Flashy,
        Did you read the article before posting your inane comments. Reread Mr. Wood’s first sentence; words to the effect that he would NOT try to cite all of (Obama’s) dastardly lies. How can you defend this usurper and destroyer of our Constitution and law? If I had about 5 pages I could list some of the lies that BHO has told.
        Maybe you’d be happier posting on th Huffpo.

      • granny mae

        Flashy,

        There is not enough room on this site to list all of Obama’s lies !

      • Jay Rasco

        Well said brother,well said!

      • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS in Australia

        FLASHY, WHILST i AGREE WITH WHAT YOUR STATING TO BE TRUE, HOWEVER IT IS NOT THE JOB OF GOVERNMENT OR GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS AND AUTHORITIES TO CREATE JOBS IN NON PRODUCTIVE ACTIVITIES LIKE ADMINISTRATION. These days we have computers to do the mundane paper work and it would be much cheaper to pay social security for the unemployed than pay them full wages for doing little else than occupy another seat in a bueracracy. Machinery these days means we need less people leaning on shovels and having lots of tea breaks. Using teleconferencing with the best tutors can teach more pupils in larger classrooms instead of employing more hopeless teachers to churn out more uneducated students. Less police would be required if police resorces were better targetted into serious crimes instead of chasing fishing pouchers and recuurent domestic disputes. Pumping taxpayers money or credit money into ineffiencient motor vehicle corporations who cant compete with the better japanese auto makers only serves to delay their demise, not save those unsavable jobs, and it would be far better that the shareholders decide if they want the business to survive or go under. Much cheaper to pay unemployment social security than pay overpaid wages to an inefficient industry.
        The reality is that workers are more interested in the income than the job…and social security is a much cheaper option than paying full price wages for manufactured good the american people are not wanting to buy.
        You have a strange system in america that your government would much prefer to sell off empty houses after the owners default for next to nothing, and continue to have people sleeping on the streets instead of filling some of those houses with families perhaps on a lower rent for a time.. why have so many empty houses risking vandalism when it better to risk vandalism from some of the tenants who will be offered the last chance for a rental if they look after it. If they dont…THEN NEVER EVER give them any assistance. Reward good behaviour Punish bad.

        To be fair to the OBAMA Administration, I dobt that the Republicans would have done any different [except under Dr Ron Paul] and there would still be the extra bebts. The current thinking is still to payoff old debt with new deflated dollars making it easier and cheaper than trying to upset voters with higher taxes. Its the normal thinking for both most of Rrepublicans who think Ron Paul is a loony and the many Democrates also being incumbent administration. However a growing number are seeing the logic of Dr Ron Paul and they will vote for Ron Paul. If the Republicans choose anyone of the other do dos, then the Republican game is lost in my opinion, UNLESS DR RON PAUL could run as an INDEPENDENT? Is that possible under your system of govet?

      • John Woodbury

        Flushy, I am so sick of STUPID lying liberals, I could puke. Please get an education before opening DNC talking points here. Hoover’s ideas for the recovery from 1929 were stopped by FDR in the Senate, then 3 years later reintroduced by FDR. Please get a history education before spewing lies here.

      • Ranchman

        Dear “Flashy,”

        I would try to get you to see the light on the fact that Obama is more than just possibly the most dangerous man to inhabit the oval office, but it would invariably be in vain. There are truly those who have no eyes to see nor ears to hear. Yet issues on that level are almost certainly to escape you as well. What can be said about the lying fraud that is obama? Answer: nothing at all. His accomplishments? Your sarcastic reply of “lol” is more appropriate here than elsewhere. You will not believe the truth because you choose to believe lies and fraud. There is nothing any reasonable and rational man can say to bring you into the light. There are simply those who will not make it, and that is the final, absolute truth and time is short, my friend. Time is very short. It would behoove you to search out the truth…it truly will set you free.

      • meteorlady

        I’m sorry – people like you Flashy just amaze me. You work so hard to make it appear that you are intelligent yet you continue to believe word of mouth and biased reports. In this day and age, it seems that there are no true journalist anymore there as simply people that write opinion pieces riddle with half-truths and untruths. You seem to fall into the category of someone that has heard something so much they believe it to be true. I would like you to answer the rebuttal, but most times those that come here can’t because they cannot accept truth when the read or see it.

      • JTB

        WOW I don’t know what you smoke but I want some. You make me laugh outloud!

      • Bev

        You need to learn to read. He said ” I’m not going to review all the dastardly lies, misstatements and gross exaggerations Barack Obama has made since he assumed the highest office in the land. That would take a lot more pages than we have room for today.”

      • Houdini1984

        Wow, Flashy… talk about misrepresenting someone’s statements. Chip did not say that he would list all of Obama’s lies or inaccuracies. He said “I’m NOT going to review all the dastardly lies, misstatements and gross exaggerations Barack Obama has made” (emphasis mine)

        As for your attempt to disprove those falsehoods, well done. Like the scuttlefish, you’ve attempted to muddy the waters enough to allow your Messiah to escape scrutiny. Failed on every count, mind you, but at least you made the attempt.

      • Skipper

        Hey ‘not so’ Flashy! Go back and read the first sentence of the first and second paragraphs of this article where it says “I’m NOT going to review all the lies…” and “No, I’m just going to mention two…”. Hmmm! Maybe you should change your handle to dyslexic??? no that would be an insult to dyslexics around the world.Shut your pie hole, open your eyes and use your brain.

    • NC

      SC you would admit to nothing good about Obama if it broke a rcord for good. I have read your post.What were the job losses per month in the last three months of the bush admibistration and what are they now? What about private sector job creation? 6547? Do you know what that is? That’s where the Dow BOTTOMED OUT from the bush recession? Over 12,000 now under Obama. The only reason you don’t feel safe is because you are paranoid!I haven’t read a word about any major attempts on our country since Obama’s election! Have you??

      • Flashy

        NC…they need hate and fear to project their anger. they know deep down they are working for anti Middle Class forces, they know what they are being told what to say and think by their Masters is not true. But they cannot admit they have spent their entire lives being made fools of.

        they can’t refute anything, so they either make up false claims or say ‘prove it!’ instead of thinking themselves. They need things simple and black and white…and reality is not simple nor black and white. So they hate, they have anger and fear because they have no ability nor want for complex thought…

        ah well…

      • FreedomFighter

        Or maybe, many of us are awake. Like what you write, we no longer believe any of the bullsh&^.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • libertytrain

        His description fit pretty near every lib left person I’ve met to date….

      • FreedomFighter

        Hit wrong reply button, need more coffee.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Sirian

        Ditto!!

      • William Lord

        Dear Freedom fighter. I accessed the site you recommended which put forth the view that a handfull of eugenecists are attempting to somehow control our lives and reproductive rights through insidious methods such as floride using as visual confirmation clips from an old movie version of 1984. At that point I decided the joke had been made and I did not pursue the punch line. Given the current world population of over 7 billion, an increase from roughly 2 billion when I was a yound school boy, their so-called efforts don’t appear to be working very well. I wouldn’t worry about them but rather the opposite that we are destroying the planet with over population.

      • FreedomFighter

        Willi,

        you condem the facts due to presentation of old film footage, then admit its been going on since you were a child even longer if you check and how unsuccessfull they have been.

        Science has progressed my friend and so have the methodes, more secret, more prevasive, more insidious, because it didnt work in the open way back when.

        If you really believe the planet overpopulated:

        Please, SAVE US, off yourself.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Jibbs

        He must be related to 47d.

      • NC

        Well said!!!!! They live in the Ann Coulter world of dark conspiracies that are NEVER proved.They fear all Muslims: There is not a Muslim nation in the world with a navy strong enough to land enough soldiers on our shores that a well trained sheriff’s department couldn’t take care of. Remember “we have to fight them over there so we won’t have to fight them over here?” WE were already spending billions and billions on Homeland security to fight them “over here’. How much BS was that?
        Their true colors became apparent when one to their congressional leaders said if we have to wreck the economy to get back the white House we will! It’s the White House that is their goal not a better America. Wreck the economy?? That’s American citizen’s money and retirement they are willing to sacrifice. But to the congressman’s credit at the time he made the statement bush hadn’t left us much economy to ‘wreck”??

      • FreedomFighter

        Obama is a traitor to the office of president, constitution, American people, and should be impeached, jailed, then hung right next to Eric Holder.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Lastmanstanding

        IMO, homeland security was put here to keep and eye on the increasing amount of Americans who are dissatisfied with their loss of liberty and freedom…while I’m at it, I’ll mention fema, doj, atf, etc.

        Vote Ron Paul 2012…or lose everthing that our founders fought for.

      • Patty

        NC – for someone who wants to lay total blame on Bush and his policies, I find it very ironic that Obummer has followed all of Bush’s bad policies and tripled down on them to boot and yet you back Obummer and attack Bush. Hmmm. A vote for Obummer is a vote to continue Bush’s bad policies. The ticket should read Bush 3, not Obama.

      • DaveH

        So, NC, are you telling us that you are against Obama’s military excursions into Libya, and Pakistan?

      • clarence swinney

        Recall Soviet Invasion of Afghan?
        Recall Osama Bin Laden and Taliban
        Fighting to throw out invaders.
        FREEDOM FIGHTERS
        Now we invade they are TERRORISTS.

        How does world see us? Crazy?
        Brown Skin Jesus yells “WHAT THE HELL?”

      • Jibbs

        The illegal POS abummer already wrecked the economy, where have you been…….under a rock?

      • eddie47d

        Still being a dufus Jibbs?

      • Dennis48e

        It takes one to know one eddie.

      • DaveH

        You have totally destroyed any credibility you might have previously had, Flashman. Why do you bother? Are you really just a plant trying to make Liberals look as dishonest and ignorant as they really are? If so, you’re doing an excellent job.

      • Sirian

        It’s rather obvious, isn’t it Dave?

      • Flashy

        Well Dave, if i had only Mises to offer as my sources, and unable to have complex thought processes, knew nothing of economics, history, and consequences, give nothing but denigrations to a post i disagreed with..I’d be like you!

      • DaveH

        That’s correct, Flashman, you don’t offer any proof for your fabricated facts. The best you can muster is to try somehow to denigrate mises.org.
        Note readers that Flashman can never dispute those facts. Instead he must use personal attacks in a vain Liberal adolescent attempt to sway readers emotionally instead of factually.

      • DaveH

        And Flashman, where are those “complex thought processes”? Surely you don’t think your Ignorant Fabricated Facts qualify?

      • NC

        Dave, Obama inherited a situation that bush started that put Pakistan into play with 10 billion US taxpayers dollars for assistance in the area. As a matter of fact I was against invading Afghanistan with ground troops. Ain’t nobody ever won a ground war in that coutry by invasion> The Russians with a big ground Army and a common border got their butt handed to them in the 80′s. We had a 5000 mile supply line to contend with. WE paid trillions for the most technological equipment in history and bush lets Saddam lure him into a door to door war that neautralized most of our advantage and did the same thing in the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan. My major complaint against Obama is that he was too early on health care and too late in leaving Iraq and that entire region with ground troops. AS for Libya, that was an inherited situation that I thought he handled perfectly. He gave aid that helped them over throw Condi’s boyfriend and didn’t lose a life> Well done, Mr. President
        As for “blaming bush” why can’t Republicans come to grips with just how bad the economy was when he left office, how much Obama has had to “spend” to try to revive the weak economy he didn’t create and pay for the foreign wars that he didn’t start. Do you really think Obama would have spent as much if he had inherited the great economy and war-free county bush inherited? Really??Just asking the Republicans to end their denial of just how bad it was in JAN. 2009 and try to help out with the mess.Some experts were calling it the second worse economic situation ever BEFORE Obama ever took office AND IT TOOK 11 YEARS AND A MAJOR WAR TO GET OUT OF THE WORST ONE BACK IN 1930> 3 years is yesterday.

      • DaveH

        “Libya was an inherited situation”, NC?
        You’re kidding right?
        Are you vying for Flashman’s spot of no credibility?

      • shoedog

        Non of the Obama apologist ever mention that the 1st 6 years of the Bush admin produced consistant economic growth. What happened in the last 2 years? Well the dems took control of congress and there you go. Reagan turned the Carter mess around in less than 2 years but Obama still blames Bush.

      • Flashy

        Whoa Shoe..you realize you cited support for the two most disasterous administrations ever to curse this nation? Our economic ills can be traced to beginning with reagan…and culminating with Bush II. And you’re suporting both? Whoa ….

        if you wre to ask for my humble opinion, excepting Vietnam, nixon did a fairly good job for what he was dealt…and Ike didn’t do too shabby either. I’d even give grudging respect to Bush I but for his coverup of Iran/Contra and the sell out to Big Energy

      • Dennis48e

        Once again Flashy pants makes claims and accusations with absolutely no proof or sources to back his claims.

      • clarence swinney

        Reagan submitted 8 budgets Bush the same
        Reagan 8 increased Spending by 80% debt by 180%
        Blame Congress? Ha! Congress retured RR 8 to him with fewer dollars than he submitted. 1930-1980 spent 6066B
        1981-1989 we spent over 7000B
        more in 8 than 50!!!!!!
        RR took less than 1000B debt added on 180%

        Bush took 1800 budget to 3500
        Bush took 5700 debt to 11,900

        Blame Congress is dumb.
        Writers here do not know procedure of budgeting.

        It is simple–
        In Feb of each year Pres submits a Budget Resolution.
        That is Total Request to Spend
        Congress accepts Total or revise the Total then they sign it
        Congress cut Obama Resolution 3600 to 3500
        The President Sets TOTAL Spending.
        13 appropriation bills are massaged by Congress yet remain in TOTAL

        Typical Conservative Rationalize-Spin-alibi-excuse–Lie lie lie
        Have you no shame sirs????

      • JMJ

        Chris & Flashy: The problems started with Clinton & was fed by ACORN, Barney Frank, Chris Dowd, John Kerry & your mindless, useless president: Obama to name a few. Why was Obama so AFAID to go back to Washington & he was forced by Bush to return? He along with Kerry & Frank knew where the problem came from & they were petrified about being found out. It is too bad that you lack complete common sense, which tells me that you are college grads that didn’t inhale (Clinton, once again) & you want us to believe that drugs don’t effect the brain. Yea! Right! Seeing how the so-called election of 2008ad was fixed, we can presume that the low-life democrats along with ACORN will pull off another defeat for America & it’s way of life in 2012ad, which will mean the fatal end of our country, which will put your types in great turmoil when you have to wake up from your mindless slumber that you have been hiding in. +JMJ+

      • JTB

        JMJ – very well said!

      • Bubbles

        You democrats are just a bunch of O-bots meaning Mr O does all your thinking for you = 0

      • RockyRoad

        NC: If you feel Obama is so great then why are you here? Shouldn’t you be at the DailyKos where they worship his every written speech?

        As for attacking Bush for every argument is only proof you can’t find anything positive to say about the previous president. So in a way you are guilty of the same. No I was not happy about how every time Bush tried to get anything done he had to fight a democrat congress. Did I support the Iraq war? No. Afghanistan I could understand but disagreed with the other.

        Keep on reading here : ) You just might learn something.

        Have a nice day!

      • NC

        Everytime bush tried to get anything done he had to fight a Democrat Congress??? YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS ABOUT THAT ARE YOU??? Their first major piece of legislation was to give BUSH the 600+billion dollar bailout he went CRYING AND BEGGING the Democrats FOR WITH HIS 3 PAGE BILL. YOU DON’T REMEMBER THAT? THE BILL THAT BECAME “TARP’ THAT bush handed out!
        The only reason the Democrats were in control was Americans had seen where 12 years Republican control with six years of bush trickle down fiscal policy was taking the economy> There are reasons for election results.

      • Ted Crawford

        +”There are reasons for election results” a fact that you might want to take note of NC, given the 2010election. I agree that Bush was bad, unfortunitly for us Obama and company is far, far worse!

      • clarence swinney

        NC Go Heels
        In 2008, Bush commited 8500 Billion on Bailouts
        google- judy keen + bailouts
        Bloomberg News recent expose’ of Fed 7.7T of bailouts were Bush 8.5T

      • DaveH

        It’s seems odd to me that the Liberals bash Bush’s Tarp (worthy of bashing) but accept Obama’s Stimulus Plans without question. It’s either wrong or it’s right, Liberals, you can’t have it both ways. When you do try to have it both ways, it just illustrates the fact that you are Zealots whose morality changes depending on which party is in office. Yeah, I know, “what morality?”.

      • clarence swinney

        Tarp was good faith effort in financial tsunami
        Stimulus was accepted by major of economists as Good Faith Effort to energize Bush destroyed economy.

        Bush Great Recession was Great Depression except we have Safety Nets.
        No safty nets We have marchers wiht torches burn baby burn

      • NC

        DOES “MORALITY” HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH A CONGRESSMEN(R) WHO CHASE THE BOY PAGES OR TRY TO PICK UP VICE SQUAD COPS IN AIPORT REST ROOMS(R). IS THAT THE KIND OF “MORALITY’ YOU WONDER IF DEMOCRATS HAVE??

      • JC

        TARP, STIMULUS, MONETIZING DEBT all doublespeak for “printing money out of thin air and handing the taxpayer the bill with interest”.

        Anyone who can condone this is an idiot.

      • mrk

        You mean the “Bush recession” created by the Democrat-controlled House and Senate? You probably don’t recall that Bush tried to rein in Frannie and Freddie, but that Barney Frank and Chris Dodd wouldn’t let it happen–swearing that they were just fine. You forget that then Senator Obama was part of that Congress that created and approved the budgets that got us into the mess he “inherited”.

      • NC

        MRK, The Republicans controlled the White House with the veto power and both Houses of congress with hundreds of votes and you say one Democrat Senator and one congressmen kept you from doing what you wanted to do???I WOULD BE ASHAMNED TO ADMIT THAT. WHAT DID THE REPUBLICANS RUN FOR OFFICE FOR??? Were Dodd and Barney that much smarter than the entire Republican delegation??
        BTW, there is a video of bush making a speech IN 2002 concerning his beloved program of EVERY AMERICAN WHO WANTS A HOUSE SHOULD HAVE ONE in which he THANKS AND PRAISES fannie and freddie for their work in HELPING him with this program. He specifically thanks them for their help with home owners with” BAD CREDIT”. IT’S ON YOU TUBE IF YOU WANT THE TRUTH.
        2 YEARS LATER bush SOUGHT AND GOT A BILL FROM HIS REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS THAT EVEN ALLOWED TAXPAYERS MONEY TO BE USED TO MAKE THE DOWNPAYMENT ON THE LOW INCOME LOANS.SO MUCH FOR THE DEMOCRATS BEING THE CAUSE OF THE HOUSING COLLAPSE.

      • Ted Crawford

        Plug the deficit numbers onto a graph and you will notice that the Bush deficits bounced just above and just below the anual percentage leval. His average increase was 2.7%, the anual average was 2.6%, between 2001 and 2006. The rate began a sharpe increase mid-2007, just months into the term of the 110th. Congress, peaking in mid-2008 at 6+%.
        By Constitution, specifically Artical 1, Section 7, Clause 1, the responsibility rests with the Speaker of the House. Some things are difficult to determine, others, not so much!

      • DaveH

        Big Government is destroying our country. It doesn’t matter if they call themselves Democrats or Republicans. This isn’t a Football Game, NC.

      • Flashy

        mrk … that FNMA/Freddie argument is stale and holds no water. Fact is, FNMA and Freddie didn’t get into the high risk MBS game until late. The abuses weren’t theirs…FNMA/Freddie do not loan money. They guarantee and/or buy the paper.

        in addition, no one…and I will rpeat that slowly so you understand, no one ever held a gun to the heads of the lenders saying ‘make this loan’. yeah…the Right will point to the Community Reinvestment Act trying to refute that statement…but if anyone read that piece of legislation, it urges reinvestment, dictates proper documentation to ensure no redlining went on, but dies not “mandate” anything.

        BTW .. you should look at the number of SEC auditors that were let go in the first year of Bush II. Regulations were erased, and the number of oversight regulators decreased.

        Chew on that for awhile …

      • DaveH

        Here is some reality to offset Flashman’s distortions:
        http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj29n1/cj29n1-3.pdf

        Now I sit back and wait for Flashman to bash Cato, as if his adolescent manipulating techniques amount to a rebut.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says “no one ever held a gun to the heads of the lenders saying ‘make this loan’”.
        Did anybody hold a gun to the head of the borrowers, Flashman?

      • Flashy

        Dave…first, that was a very thin opionion piece, not research at all…and spoke nothing about FNMA/Freddie except toss one or two claims out (which were thinly supported BTW). Obvious you never read that article nor the Hoover article from Mizes you post. LOL figures you don’t read what you use for support.

        As for borrowers taking the money. Let’s see..someone walks to you and says ‘hey buddy, wanna borrower a few hundred K to buy that house, and sell it in a few months and mad a few thousand?’ Who would say “no”? And do you blame them for saying “yes”?

        Now..if a bank comes to you and says “we’re going to take your money you gave us to safely hold, and roll the die hoping we’ll wion and we’ll make millions…or we may lose everything you have. We will invest in securities which we have no idea what they really do and how they will perform, and don’t worry because we’ll lie and package bad paper with good and sell that in case we lose on buying what the others are packaging and selling’. Oh…and don’t worry about the feds..they gutted the SEC so they have no clue what we are doing.”

        Which one do you think should be blamed?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Are you an Ostrich, who totally ignores current events? You must be, to call it the Bush recession. You need to do some reading about the Federal Reserve and how they create every boom and bust that we have experienced in the past 150 years. Yes the deficit spending slows economic growth, because it siphons off capital from the private sector. It has been proven time and time again that we cannot spend our way to prosperity.

      • Sirian

        It doesn’t really matter C.P. how many sources of info, books, articles etc. that we tell them to read in an effort to find out the truth – THEY WILL NEVER LOOK!! They don’t want to look!! It would burst their happy mindless bubble of “Uncle Sam will protect me better than anyone, God included!!”

      • DaveH

        I believe it’s because they don’t want to learn. They’re here to disrupt the board with their nonsense. That’s all.

      • Sirian

        Very true Dave, very true.

      • Eric

        Too easy… the DEMS under reid and pelosi ran both chambers of Congress.

      • G.B.

        Just look at the history of the stock market, it is only back to where it started. It has not gone up any higher. It just made up the ground it had lost. So climb off your fence post and stop crowing.

      • DaveH

        The Dow bottomed, NC, after Obama’s election. The wealthy people who invest aren’t stupid people.
        When Bush left office the unemployment rate was 8%. It is still 9% now after 3 years.
        And the Dow after 3 years is still just at the same nominal level (before adjustment for inflation) that it was more than 2 years ago, even though the dollar value against comparable currencies (Canadian Dollar, Australian Dollar, etc.) has plummeted about 30%.
        Here is an inflation adjusted Dow Jones Industrial average:
        http://home.earthlink.net/~intelligentbear/com-dj-infl.htm

      • NC

        DAVE THE DOW BOTTOMED OUT AT 6547 4O-5O DAYS AFTER OBAMA TOOK OFFICE AFTER FALLING STEADILY FOR THE LAST 15 MONTHS BUSH’S ADMINISTRATION> DO YOU THINK MAYBE THAT THE REASONS FOR IT’S 15 MONTHS DROP MIGHT JUST THE SAME REASON FOR THE LAST MONTH’S FALL?? CERTAINLY YOU ARE NOT SAYING OBAMA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENTIRE FALL?? i’M NOT SURE HE WAS EVEN THE LEADING DEMOCRAT CANDIDATE WHEN THE DOW COLLAPSE STARTED IN OCTOBER OF 2007.HAVE YOU SEEN “BULLS,BEARS DONKEYS AND ELEPHANTS” PULL IT UP AND TAKE A LOOK!!

      • JC

        Do you “get” that Bush and Obama are both bought and paid for Globalists who don’t give a damn about America?
        Do you understand the idiocy of the whole left/right argument?

      • clarence swinney

        GOOD HISTORY LESSON Per Achmed Swinney
        Prove me wrong with numbers not usual blarney blabbering vile ignorance.

        Clinton to Bush to Obama
        Who Dug the Deep Hole? Who Fumbled the ball?
        Numbers rounded

        Clinton left Bush an 1800B Budget
        Bush Left Obama a 3500 Budget

        Clinton left Bush a 240B Surplus as far as the eye can see
        Bush left Obama a 1400B Deficit as far as the eye can see

        Clinton left Bush 5,700B of Debt
        Bush left Obama 11,800B of Debt

        Clinton left Bush a 237,000 net new jobs created per month
        Bush left Obama a 31,000 lowest number since Hoover.

        Clinton left Bush 17 Million Manufacturing Jobs
        Bush left Obama 11 Million Manufacturing Jobs

        Clinton left Bush a 10,800 Dow
        Bush left Obama an 8028 Dow

        Clinton left Bush Peace on Earth Good Will From Most Men
        Bush left Obama Hell on Earth Two disastrous wars. Enmity of 1500 Million Muslims

        Clinton left Bush a President most highly rated of any peacetime President in Asia, Africa, Europe.
        Bush left Obama the most hated President in history
        Bush left Obama an Housing Tsunami and Financial Volcano
        Bush left Obama, in 2008, an 8500B Bail out commitment Yes! 8500 not just 700
        Bush left Obama his Takeover of Fannie/Freddie, AIG, and first bailout of Chrysler
        Bush increased maximum loan by Fannie/Freddie from $300,000 to $729,000
        Bush increased FDIC maximum deposit coverage from $100,000 to $250,000

      • Brad

        Clarence,

        4.5 Trillion in unbrideled deficit spending by this president and congress in less than 3 year’s.

      • Lee Baldwin

        clarence swinney will AGAIN vote for Harrison J. Bounel, Barry Soetoro, Barrack Obama (or whatever his real name is) clarence swinney has his head firmly stuck in the sand.

      • MNIce

        NC, the Dow is based on current dollar valuation. Since the Democrats took control of Congress in 2006, the dollar has lost about half its value (compare with gold or oil prices). Do the math, and you’ll discover the market has not improved significantly, if at all. Check out this: http://www.investorplace.com/2010/09/market-analysis-is-the-fed-juicing-the-market/

      • NC

        IF MEMORY SERVES ME THE EURO WAS WORTH ABOUT $.84 TO THE US DOLLAR WHEN BUSH TOOK OFFICE AND WORTH ABOUT $1.40 TO THE DOLLAR HIS LAST FULL MONTH IN OFFICE. IS THAT GOOD?? IT’S ABOUT THE SAME NOW AND OBAMA INHERITED A VERY WEAK ECONOMY AND HAS IMPROVED SOME ASPECTS OF IT WHILE BUSH TOOK A MUCH STRONGER ONE AND TRASHED IT.. AGREED?

      • Paula

        The last I heard there has been 43 actually attempts. But you are not so naive as to think that Obama had anything to do with thwarting them. I am sure that pulling our troops completely out of Iraq has not exactly made our nation safer. If you think for one minute we are safe from terrorists you are burying your head in the sand.

      • meteorlady

        So small history lesson here – Bush did not create the recession of the financial collapse. Bush went before the Senate Banking committee on 17 separate occasions to get controls on banking and loan guarantees by Fannie and Freddie.

        Here’s a little quesiton – Do you really believe that anything would have happened if Housing would not have collapsed?

        Clinton signed Fair Housing
        Clinton appointed Franklin Delano Raines as CEO of Fannie Mae
        Clinton signed the repeal of Glass-Steagall
        Clinton left a budget deficit of $17.9 BILLION the day Bush took office
        Clinton left a budget deficit of $133.4 BILLION the first full year Bush was in office
        Clinton lied about a surplus because he counted income from the Social Security Trust fund.
        Bush actually had the deficit coming down until Democrats gained control
        Clinton signed to allow drug companies to advertise

        You can find the deficits on most government websites – I found mine on the US Treasury website.

      • Houdini1984

        Ooh, NC… The Dow is at 12,000 – up since it bottomed out during the worst of the crash? So? You do recall that it was at 14,000 during GW’s second term, right?

        Yeah – that’s what the markets do. They rise and fall. You still have to face the fact that there are two million fewer jobs today than there were when Bush left office … that gas prices and the costs of nearly everything else are substantially higher than when Obama took the oath … that health care costs have continued to rise, and that health insurance costs are expected to rise another 10% this year.

        Don;t worry, though. I am certain that if you squint your eyes enough when you look at your Dear Leader you can still imagine that you see that same celestial glow you though you saw when you voted for him the first time.

    • RockyRoad

      I have believed for some time now the election process is rigged.

      I will still vote. To not vote would be a slap in the face of every hero that died for this nation.

      • meteorlady

        The fact that we GET to vote for the hand picked candidates is a sort of rigged election. The fact that we are brainwashed into believing that if we vote for third party’s candidate we are wasting our votes is trying to say the least.

        The fact that in Texas the Democrats rig the election process is very real. We have primaries and then they have caucuses. The last election Hilliary was elected in the primaries, but low and behold, Obama was elected in the caucuses and he got the nomination….

        In one place in Houston there are 8500 people with addresses, problem is, 15,437 voted from that area? Yet no one is asking how this happened.

        In the South we are getting sued by the Justice Department for requiring picture ID before you can vote. There are 5 kinds of ID recognized, yet they say that we are hindering minorities from voting. How?

    • Old Henry

      “Gee, guess it’s time to make room for a new face on Mount Rushmore.”

      Due to the fact that mining coal is practically illegal I doubt that will happen.

      “Oh, right, he did admit that, “… when it comes to the economy, we’ve got a lot more work to do.”

      Yes he does. He has not quite gotten it completely destroyed.

      He should be egotistic. He has done quite well with his campaign promise of “Fundamentally transforming the United States”, with I might add, the adoring approval of its brain-dead parasitic citizens – you know, the “47%ers”.

      I tell folks about Ron Paul anytime I can work him into a conversation. The other day as I was leaving a doctor appointment a guy commented on my Ron Paul cap so I used theoccation to do some educating. I gave him the Congressman’s web address and advised him to read what Ron Paul actually stands for and to not believe ANYTHING the MSM or even conservative talking heads spout.

    • Lee Baldwin

      Sorry, back-door exit? -I don’t think so. It should be the FRONT DOOR in handcuffs, hauled to the closest police cruiser and slammed around like everybody else that takes THAT ride, then slammed into JAIL. The ‘Barry Show’ has caused enough mayhem to substantiate arrest just with the one count of VOTER FRAUD of supplying a FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATE to the pelosi. The FRAUD was against YOU and I and our children & Lady Liberty.

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