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A Better Idea For National Defense

December 27, 2011 by  

A Better Idea For National Defense

If there’s one thing that bothers me this time of the year, it’s seeing ex-servicemen in wheelchairs or sporting titanium arms and legs on television. If peaceful, rational humanoids from another galaxy landed in the United States, I have to believe they would be appalled. I can just hear them asking, “Who sent all these healthy young men and women off to be maimed and killed?” And, “Did the people who sent them lead the charge into battle?”

Many people argue that having the lives of thousands of young adults destroyed — or lost — is the price of preserving our freedom. During World War II, when America was a very different Nation, most people had no trouble buying into that proposition. But in today’s corrupt, semi-socialist America, the biggest threat to our freedom comes not from abroad, but from the criminal class in Washington — and, unfortunately, no one is talking about invading the Nation’s capital.

It’s time to skip the political-correctness silliness and face up to reality: Most wars are transfer-of-wealth scams — transferring money from you and me to the companies that build the planes, tanks, bombs, uniforms, drones, etc. that politicians say they need to protect us. The military-industrial complex has been dominant in all advanced civilizations throughout history, and it’s never been in better health than it is today.

We’re talking very big business here. It’s so big that those who benefit the most from it are willing to have people killed in order to keep the war assembly lines moving ahead at full speed.

As a third-generation tyrant (Kim Jong Un, a.k.a. “Chublet II”) steps to the fore in North Korea, one can’t helping thinking about the infamous Korean War that ended without victory in 1953 — even though victory was in the palm of General Douglas MacArthur’s hand.

Or the infamous Vietnam War that ended in defeat in 1975 — even though the United States could have won that war years earlier had it been willing to use overwhelming force.

Or the infamous Gulf War that ended, curiously, with Saddam Hussein still in power in 1992.

If you want to be ahead of the curve, you can add the Iraq War and the Afghanistan War to the above list as well. Bet the farm on this one: The Iraq story is going to have a very unhappy ending. The only question is whether the country will be overwhelmed by civil war or by an Iran takeover.

As to Afghanistan, it will end the same way that all Afghan wars end — meaning never. Its latest attackers — the Americans — will go back home with their tails between their legs, just as the Russians did before them. And the Afghans will continue to do what they have always done — fight.

It’s not possible to win a war against Afghanistan, because it’s not a real country. It’s a down-and-dirty suburb of the moon, filled with tribesmen who get up every morning, put on their skirts, and do what they have been doing for thousands of years — fight anyone who is willing to enter the ring with them. If there are no takers, they are happy to fight each other.

I don’t doubt the courage or patriotism of the young Americans for whom wheelchairs or prosthetics are now a way of life. They acted in good faith and did what they thought was right. They believed they were being patriotic and defending our freedom.

But it makes me angry that their lives have been shattered because corrupt men and women in Washington got them to believe they were fighting for a noble cause. They were not. That will become obvious to all in the coming years as we watch events unfold in Iraq and Afghanistan. But, along the way, $1 trillion got transferred from the pockets of taxpayers into the coffers of the military-industrial complex.

With drones, bunker busters and, in a pinch, nuclear weapons, war should by now be passé. It isn’t necessary to risk the lives of young men and women in far-off lands. If I were a hawk (which I most definitely am not), I would free the North Korean people in about 17 minutes — without harming any young Americans. Iran might take a week — just long enough to turn things over to the pro-Western youths in that country whom Barack Obama was so pleased to see crushed.

But, as I said, I’m not a hawk, so I wouldn’t take either of the above actions.  I’m just your average libertarian-centered conservative who is tired of war … tired of seeing young people’s lives shattered … tired of seeing American taxpayers forced to hand over their money to politicians so they can pursue never-ending overseas military adventures.

That said, let me make it clear that I’m a big advocate of having a strong national defense. My message to rogue nations would be simple: Mess with us and yesterday will always be remembered as the best day of your life. And, yes, we use nukes if that’s what it takes to make you behave.

Imagine all the lives and money that could have been saved had we hit the Tora Bora mountain range with a string of nuclear bombs in 2001. No U.S. casualties, no trillion dollars wasted, no decade of political posturing. And, best of all, from Russia to China, from North Korea to Iran, the rest of the world would live in fear of what might happen to them if they messed with the Great Satan. How much more comforting it is to be feared rather than liked.

The holiday season is a good time to reflect on how nice it would be if young Americans didn’t lose any more arms or legs and taxpayers would not have to fund a military-industrial complex with such a voracious appetite.

Strong national defense: Yes! Unwarranted wars and wars that we’re not serious about winning: No!

Robert Ringer

Robert Ringer

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  • 4-just_us

    Thank you Robert Ringer- that is the best article I have ever seen concerning our idiotic wars. It’s about time someone separated truth form idealistic dogma. Americans are so gullible and sheep like. I couldn’t believe all the people that voted to give Bush a second term under the guise of “keeping our country save”. George Bush and Cheney ARE the terrorist.

  • TN guy

    “I would free the North Korean people in about 17 minutes — without harming any young Americans. Iran might take a week — just long enough to turn things over to the pro-Western youths in that country whom Barack Obama was so pleased to see crushed.”

    What a bunch of crap. Try living in the real world.

    • James

      TN,FDR made a deal with Stalin that the Soviets could have the north part of Korea down to the 38th parallel. Since then, that ‘deal’ has been treated as a treaty arrangement. When N. Korea invaded S. Korea in 1950, President Truman dispatched U.S. Armed Forces to drive them back across the 38th paraallel, and when that was accomplished our troops dug in, and we’ve been in that position ever since. General MacArthur wanted to continue northward but Truman wouldn’t allow it. I was there when that happened, but didn’t know any of this background.

      • mickey

        Happy to hear that. I was only 4-6 during the Korean War and didn’t understand much about it.

        thanks

      • James

        I had my 23rd birthday in Korea.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Where have all the flowers gone? Oh, when will they ever learn?

  • Tim Orner

    I think its time that ALL politicians be completely relieved from their salaries and life long pensions. The incredible men and women who overlook the corruption in Washington, and still believe in FREEDOM, should NOT have to find jobs when they return from service, they should receive the lifetime pension our corrupt politicians are receiving, and should be able to live in comfort with their families until death. Since the only real responsibility that the federal Government has to its people, is to keep us free, lets spend our taxes on those who really deserve it.

  • Raggs

    In today’s time wars are being used to test “new” technology and new weapons what better way to test these things but by creating a crisis.. And even the use of drones on American soil to spy on the citizens, so what is next for America?…

    • TN guy

      That is true. Most of our technology is a product of military spending. GPS and our cell phone and sattelite communications. Aeronautics and vehicles. You name it.

      • Robert Smith

        And the military spending would be so much more productive if NASA spent it.

        From NASA we’ve already gotten so much. Calculators, medicine…

        Rob

      • Brad

        RS,

        Calculators have been around for thousands of years. The first known was the abacus which was invented around 2000 BC and mechanical calculators have seen the light of day every since. Jumping forward to WWII our fleet submarines used a very intricate mechanical calculator to dermine a ships course speed and distance which inturn was fead into a torpedos guidance system of the day. Medicine has been evolving again for thousands of years, NASA has brought very little to the table in regards to both the calculator and medicine. The very first solid state calculators where introduced on the markets in the 60′s and 70′s. Casio and sharp were the first company’s to introduce the compact calculator with micro processors. Nasa used exsisting technology, most advancements in technology usualy came from the military or private industry. RS get your facts strait before posting, it will do you some good.

      • Robert Smith

        From Brad: “mechanical calculators have seen the light of day every since.”

        I can remember trying to get the Fridn calculator to do the William Tell overture: Bzump Bzump… bzump bump bump.

        Rob

      • Buddy

        How about that?! And I alway thought that computers came out of a garage near Palo Alto (Calif.) and software came from a couple of college drop-outs living near Bellevue (Wash).

      • Isaac Davis

        kids in garages didn’t invent transistors or integrated circuits.

      • DaveH
      • DaveH
  • Joe Berger

    I very much agree with your general “follies of war” hypothesis.
    But you left out WW2 in which we fought and died for “uncle” Joe Stalin and gave him most of central Europe, allowing him to turn that area into a gigantic slave labor camp. WE elevated the USSR from a 5th rate power in 1939 to a first rate power in 1945. It was uncle Joe who promoted Mao in china and got communism going in most of southeast Asia including Korea and Vietnam…. and Cuba. We could have easily let Hitler and Stalin destroy each other without allowing the USSR to become the REAL WINNERS of that war.
    Let’s face it America’s involvment in European and Asian wars have all been crap….from beginning to end.

    • Buddy

      Agreed, Joe!

      • Joe Brooks

        Agreed

    • DaveH

      I think so also, Joe.

  • JJM

    War on Communism now War on Terror? If we are to finance so called ‘Peacekeeping’ and Regime Change we should be bringing home the prise not just the damaged soldier.
    Trump sounded like a profiteering Mercenary, but logical.
    And so many spout off that Ron Paul is a nut case, not.
    The movie ‘Fair Game’ is a good indication of twisted partial facts getting us involved in our expensive ($ and human) games and that no human price is too big to extend the lies.

  • Ted Crawford

    While I agree that, to butcher a phrase, Iraq was a country too far, Afghanistan was necessary! We dare not allow anyone to inflict the kind of damage that was done on 9/11 without a decisive and forceful response! As events around the globe should make clear, even to the most ardent isolationist, these people are deadly serious about forcing their beliefs on the entire planet!
    I’m reminded of something that was stated by John Stuart Mills “War is an ugly thing, but not uglist of things. The decayed and degrading state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing that is more important than his personal safety,is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself”

    To those that advocate for the use of nukes I have one question, once the nuclear genie is uncorked how do we replace the lid? Robert Smith declares that we fought and won a nuclear war, while that is true it’s far easier to do that when you are in sole posetion of all the weapons. That is no longer the case, many more now have them and if this current administration and Ron Paul are successful many more will have them!
    I’d rather fight this spread somewhere far from my wife, children and grandchildren if it is all the same to everyone!

    • Robert Smith

      Ted claims: “anistan was necessary! We dare not allow anyone to inflict the kind of damage that was done on 9/11 without a decisive and forceful response! ”

      Actually the hijackers were mostly Syrians financed by a Syrian. What price has that country been made to pay?

      Rob

    • Robert Smith

      Ted asks: “To those that advocate for the use of nukes I have one question, once the nuclear genie is uncorked how do we replace the lid?”

      It’s ALREADY out of the bottle.

      BTW, slippery slope arguments are very weak. The “domino theory” simply didn’t come to pass when S. Viet Nam fell.

      Rob

      • cawmun cents

        So who escalated the Viet Nam conflict?
        What Party were they from?
        Were they a Progressive?
        Why arent you bringing that to the discussion table,Mr.Conspiracy theorist?
        Just asking.
        I know that you do not have an answer.
        -CC.

      • Robert Smith

        THE PEOPLE reelected Nixon over McGovern by a wide margin.

        Apparently the PEOPLE were overwhelmingly in favor of war.

        Don’t you respect the PEOPLE of America?

        Rob

      • eddie47d

        False flag patriotism kept the Vietnam War going!

      • Brad

        No it was the fear and spreading of communism world wide that kept the vietnam war going!!!

      • eddie47d

        Just like I said false flag patriotism. The Gulf of Tonkin incident was falsified to give us a pretense to war. Sure they(we) feared China (communism) but China hated North Vietnam and wasn’t going to come to their aid. Another false flag from our intelligence gathering. I reckon we can call that false fear or irrational reasoning from our government.

      • JeffH

        eddie, you really should get some facts first on China’s role in N Vietnam…

        “Best turn it into a bigger war…I’m afraid you really ought to send more troops to the South…Don’t be afraid of U.S. intervention, at most it’s no worse than having another Korean War. The Chinese army is prepared, and if America takes the risk of attacking North Vietnam, the Chinese army will march in at once. Our troops want a war now.”
        – Mao speaking to the North Vietnamese in 1964

        Second Indochina War, 1964-75
        The catalyst for the Second Vietnam War would be the controversial Gulf of Tonkin incident in August of 1964 between the U.S. Navy and North Vietnamese torpedo boats in the China Sea. The incident greatly alarmed both the Vietnamese and Chinese Communist leadership and caused both to move closer together in responding to increased U.S. military actions in Southeast Asia. China took immediate steps to move forces south towards the border with Vietnam and sent MIG jet aircraft to Hanoi to bolster the DRV’s defensives. To the north Chairman Mao remained concerned about the U.S., in his opinion “the most ferocious enemy of the people of the world.” [48] Thus, when senior North Vietnamese leaders, to include General Giap, formally requested Chinese military aid in April of 1965, the response would be swift and sure. The PRC President would tell the Vietnamese that the Chinese people and party were obligated to support the North and therefore “…we will do our best to provide you with whatever you need and whatever we have.”

        “So the more troops they send to Vietnam, the happier we will be, for we feel that we will have them in our power, we can have their blood…They will be close to China…in our grasp. They…will be our hostages.” – Chou En-lai speaking to Nasser, 1965

        As a biographer of Chairman Mao would remark “It was having China as a secure rear and supply depot that made it possible for the Vietnamese to fight for 25 years and beat first the French and then the Americans.”
        http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/20thcentury/articles/chinesesupport.aspx

    • willy

      Although I agree that taking the fight to them is usally the best course, I have to say this time that is wrong. We will never stop the spread of islam and I am not sure we should. We should do battle with oppresion whenever we can. I think in this case we would be better served to man our own borders, strenghten our economy before we try to police the world.

    • DaveH

      Ted,
      You should read this Free online book about WWII:
      http://mises.org/books/pearl_harbor_greaves.pdf

      And then once the veil has lifted to the dishonesty of Government Leaders, you can investigate “False Flag” events with a more open mind.
      Was 9/11 a false flag event? Maybe. It does seem odd to me that our military didn’t just punish the accused supporters in Afghanistan and then just get out. Nobody in their right mind would think that the perpetual conflicts in Afghanistan are going to be solved by our military. So why have we wasted tens of thousands of our soldiers’ lives in that vain effort, not to mention hundreds of Billions of dollars? I think there is much more going on than we the citizens are aware of. And the death of Pat Tillman just raises further questions about our involvement.

    • mickey

      The US is the only one that used them. And that was AFTER Japan had already been in negotitations.

      Even Bachmann says we can’t mess with Pakistan because Pakistan has nukes.

  • Tim L.

    War is the most stupid, wasteful endeavor ever devised by mankind. It is always the result of ignorance, arrogance and greed. When you start a war, you are admitting that you are too stupid and too arrogant to come up with a peaceful solution. Thus, Man is a barbarian and has always been a barbarian.

    • Ted Crawford

      I agree that your statement is true when applied to the aggressor nation but what do you consider an approiate response by the nation that was attacked?

      • Tim L.

        When faced with that level of ignorance, you have to defend yourself. My criticism is aimed only at the aggressor, no matter what country.

      • Buddy

        And is it always obvious whom the aggressors are? My take is that it isn’t obvious as there are untold factors at work.

        In the case of WWII, there was a program initiated in the late 1930s by the USA government to pressure Japan economically, so that the Eastern establishment could come to the rescue of the Anglo establishment in Europe. Several studies have been made which document this. Check out one book in Particular, Day of Deceit by Robert Sinnett says it all.

      • DaveH

        Death to the attackers, Ted. Hopefully we would take the time to identify the supporters of the attackers and take out enough of them to get the message across “Don’t mess with US”. I think maybe 3-5 times the number of casualties that they inflicted on US. They would get the message.
        Ironically, in the case of 9/11, the attackers were almost all from Saudi Arabia, yet we did nothing to Saudi Arabia. Why was that? I doubt we’ll ever really know, since we’ve ignorantly allowed our Government to keep secrets for “National Security”, which is really nothing more than the security of our immoral leaders for their immoral actions.

      • Robert Smith

        DavidH posted: “Ironically, in the case of 9/11, the attackers were almost all from Saudi Arabia, yet we did nothing to Saudi Arabia.”

        Earlier I posted it as Syiria. In fact after checking it was Saudi Arabia.

        I too ask the question: Why wasn’t Saudi Aragia punished?

        And then I found this: “How are the Bushes compromised? In House of Bush, House of Saud, I trace more than $1.4 billion in contracts and investments from the House of Saud to companies in which the Bushes and their friends have had key roles. (Michael Moore uses this figure in Fahrenheit 9/11.) Saudi money bailed out Harken Energy when George W. Bush was on its board of directors. That’s how he made his fortune. Bush 41 and James Baker traveled to Saudi Arabia repeatedly for the Carlyle Group to woo Saudi investors and win contracts. The Bush family remains close to Prince Bandar, even though Bandar’s wife actually funded two 9/11 hijackers—indirectly and inadvertently, of course. Indirect and inadvertent—that’s the Saudi way.”

        That’s from: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/dialogues/features/2004/how_does_the_saudi_relationship_with_the_bush_family_affect_us_foreign_policy/bush_has_given_the_saudis_a_free_pass.html

        Rob

      • mickey

        Go a little further back to Kuwait and I think you will find that we were just SA’s hired military.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      WAR… IS MOST OFTEN DECLAIRED THE MAXIMUM DEFENSIVE! THE TERM “WAR” MEANS DISREGARD FOR ANY LAW! VICTORY AT ANY COST! { WAR ON VIOLANCE “TERRORISM” IS A JOKE!}

      • Robert Smith

        The war on drugs is so sad, particularly in a free America.

        Rob

  • http://bjwholmes@verizon.net Barbara

    Regrettably, there are always bullies in charge of nations, many of whom have never had a decent government, example is Russia. On the other hand, God blessed His people, as He has throughout history. He is now our only hope. He allowed us this free land. As we ignore or even reject Him, He will do the same to us as he always has.

  • ROGER, Canadian Libertarian

    AmeriKa exports TWO industries WAR and FIAT Currency….BOTH backed by Debt…AND unfortunately we now have a “Wannabe” Prime Minister who is in love with ANYTHING American,Bitish and Israeli…he WANTS TO BE part of the Corrupt Establishment and will take Canada down with the “American Empire” in his need to be part of it!!!

    Anhyone who undersand our silly political system will realize the MAJORITY of Canadians( 60%) DID NOT vote for him yet he became the Prime Minister with a MAJORITY Government..go figure!!!

    “Alice in Wonderland” anyone?

    • Aniko

      You are an America First HATER! We export only help to those who cannot help themselves. Are you hungry, homeless, terrorized? No? Why? Because there still are some who will defend your behind from those who perpetrate atrocities against their fellow men.

      You are an ungrateful mob here on this site, with big mouths, no reason but a Utopian view of this world. War was, is and always will be a way of existence for mankind as long as evil will try to overcome good. Those who are not willing to sacrifice to defend good will lose what they take for granted!

      You have the audacity to call the best of our best as mindless robots?! The audacity of the coward, philosophizing from his/her armchair and to call those who believe in us being the force for good, is sickening. With the likes of you we would be doomed. Thank God for our heroes!

      I never hear an armless or legless soldier complain about what they lost, but the bleeding heart liberal who only HEARS about the war, pretending to speak for him, calls him and what he did mindless and useless. Shame, shame on you!

      • DaveH

        Shame on those who march in lockstep to the Leaders’ Propaganda.
        Leaders have two main ways to insure their Power and Perks. Those are the military state and the welfare state. They are both designed to keep the Leaders and their pet Crony Capitalists in clover. The rest of us pay the bill.
        The Constitution clearly lays out the conditions necessary to declare war, but the Leaders have managed successfully to Brainwash a large portion of the population to ignore the Constitution. We are paying a big price for allowing that occurrence and I suspect we haven’t seen anything yet. It no doubt will get a lot worse unless the majority of the citizens shed their Propaganda Blinders and wake to reality.
        If you would take the time, Aniko, to read just these two books, I think your eyes would be opened to reality:
        “The Real Lincoln” by Thomas DiLorenzo,
        and
        http://mises.org/books/pearl_harbor_greaves.pdf

      • Aniko

        RobertH, did you EVER live anywhere else than the USA? Do you have ANY terms of comparison to where and how you live? If you never experienced lack of freedom you cannot comprehend freedom.
        I was exiled form Ceausescu’s Romania. No book writer who has never experienced what I and my family did can “open my eyes” and understanding of what is going on in this country.
        You complain about where you are. It is not good enough for you, but want something that Ron Paul talks about and NEVER consider, nor are you able to consider what the consequences of that philosophy would be like in reality!

        I suggest you go somewhere where “new” ideas have been put into practice and see for yourself just how blessed you are for being born in freedom living it and still feel you don’t have enough, without understanding what you had by birthright!

        There is no book that could replace life experience, boy!

      • DaveH

        By name is DaveH, son. And your limited personal experience compares NOT to the vast amount of knowledge contained in books.
        Also two wrongs don’t make a right. Granted we are still not as bad off as many other countries, but that is certainly no reason to stop seeking improvement.

      • eddie47d

        Aniko; Love your country and the soldiers who fight for that country but keep a close eye on the leaders who rule that country and send young men to wars. You should have learned in Romania that these wolves wear sheep’s clothing and make false promises.

    • Isaac Davis

      I gather that “aniko” is delusional, in that you make no “hate America” reference at all. You simply point out that the jackass running your circus is completely happy running it just like our bankrupt and debt-destroyed Republic. People confuse America with it’s feral gov’t. Granted, 50% of the people in America have no clue about Liberty and Freedom, and they have effectively given the power to the feral class to run this circus, but about half of America’s residents might actually be Citizens (and residents define the other half with no clue) who understand, or are beginning to understand, the ceaseless efforts required to maintain their Republic.

      Paraphrasing Mr. Jefferson, those who want Freedom and Liberty, but wish to remain ignorant and not involved, want what never was and never will be.

      • Aniko

        “AmeriKa exports TWO industries WAR and FIAT Currency”

        If that is NOT hate America (that’s with a C not a K!), then what is this? Am I delusional or have a better reading comprehension than you?

        Many in Eastern Europe, after 40 years of freedom to succeed or FAIL, want Communism back. I know better! I lived in America the free and I know I’d rather be free to fail than succeed by having to betray my conscience and be a lapdog of the powerful! Ron Paul and his pacifism is NOT the answer. If the economy is strong then defending our nation is possible and a better idea is to take the war on our enemies to their part of the world than waiting for the war to come to our shores!

        The economy can recover if those who want to make money CAN do so by whatever means necessary! Reality is COLD and heartless, but it is better than dreams of perfection in a totally corruptible world and then become enslaved by the very people who promise too much without the realistic possibility to deliver. Ron Paul knows better, yet he is able to convince you that he can do better if you give him more power than he had for 30 or so years! He is an irrational theoretician, who cannot understand reality even though he has seen it first hand.

        Realism cannot be learned but only experienced through living! Some can accept it while others like Ron Paul dream up fantasies that are not practically possible. Ron Paul wants to cause more chaos so then he can be begged to take absolute power and make everyone live according to his theory! Woe to the world and US if the likes of him succeed!

      • mickey

        It’s called the truth. We’ve blackmailed nearly all the countries, via UN or NATO, to back any regime war we want. The same with debt.

        Other nations are getting off the $1 for trade and the reason Gaddafi was killed.

        Off the $1 is what is going to kill us more than any foot war. Ron Paul keeps telling it like it is “sound money” and people are still discounting what this means.

      • eddie47d

        Aniko; Ron Paul is not a pacifist although there is nothing wrong with being one. Ron Paul believes in a strong defense and for the protection of America not worldwide intervention. Every nation has the right to defend themselves against aggression and he has warned anyone who dares to attack us.

      • Karolyn

        You sound like you’re talking about a different Ron Paul than the one I am aware of.

  • Al Sieber

    Besides this we’re about to lose what freedom we have left. “Freedom is for those that have the guts to defend it” — Pericles. don’t give up your firearms.

  • CanCan

    Since politician seem to love war so much, they, their families, children, and grandchildren, should be the first ones whose butts are out at the front on the firing line. Aaah, but it is so much more comforting for them to agree on supporting an un-declared-and thus, illegal war, Obama being an illegal president not withstanding-than it is to be forced out of their comfort zone by having to put their money where their mouth is. War would not be so great if these idiot politicians were forced to the front of the line to fight in that war. But oh no. Instead, they have to send everyone else but those they love to the battle ground. And in the end, that only ends up contributing to the loss of our freedoms at home, the wounding of our soldiers, and saddles us and future generations to debt we can never repay. I just pray that we learned from the lessons of Vietnam, and support those troops who are coming home. Sadly, though, with high unemployement, rising taxes, and increased crime due to such, there is not much left to come home to.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    the paris peace talks were north Viet nam contacted us and said they wanted peace with us we were wining but the socailist govenment at the time wanted us pulled out of Viet nam it was because of the leftist here.

    • eddie47d

      President Johnson who escalated the war and sent more troops to Vietnam was the government in power. He wasn’t interested in ending the war and neither was Nixon. Neither wanted their pride offended instead of doing the right thing in that false fueled war.

      • Brad

        Eddie,

        Get your facts strait, yes Johnson escaleted the vietnam war, Nixon brought our troops home by 72, but Ford didn’t come to the rescue of South Vietnam when the north invaded in 75. We can play the blame game all day long no matter the out come, all we need to do is look to our past and try to never repeat the mistakes of the past.

      • Robert Smith

        The domino theory was false.

        Rob

      • eddie47d

        Nothing wrong with my facts so what is your problem?

  • Gary

    Sorry about the misspelled word. It should say Fourth Reich not Rich.
    Gary.

  • http://billbotex.blogspot.com BillboTex

    This article appears to be promoting the typical liberal style tactic of dictating to others, the liberal agenda. I am a veteran, and your liberal conception of right & wrong is not the same as mine, nor will I allow you to force it on me, ether by force or subterfuge.

    Your liberal article demeans and ignores the sacrifice that I and other veterans have the FREEDOM to chose for ourselves.

    No one of good will DESIRES to be hurt or killed defending your or our freedom. But ALL patriots know that it is our right to do so with the associated risk.

    I am pretty sure that you have no religion affiliation, other than the liberal mantra – but for those of us who are Christians, your ill conceived proposal could have prevented our Savior from the sacrifice that He made in the behalf of all mankind.

    Merry Christmas to all patriots, and GOD BLESS AMERICA!

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      If only you knew the Corruption of Christianity & Variable God! You would Drop thoes terms When Speaking for piece!

      • Robert Smith

        So, Burt…

        Would you say christians are preying over Americans?

        Rob

    • DaveH

      The global military excursions aren’t benefitting our Freedom, Billbo, far from it. They are exercises in Leader vanity and Crony Capitalism; that is all. The soldiers, like many of the citizens have been misled.
      Pissing people off around the world against the US is hardly a positive thing for our Freedom.
      In fact, we can see all around us, what the leaders really think of our Freedoms as our country becomes increasingly militarized on the local levels and as our Constitutional Rights get increasingly trampled.
      See here for some reality:
      http://www.cato.org/raidmap/
      Hitler wasn’t the answer for Germany’s problems, and the war-mongers here aren’t the answer to our country’s problems.

    • mickey

      Umm you do realize this is NOT a liberal site but a LIBETARIAN site. Worlds of difference in definition.

      I was a flag waving kid. Took every chance to wave it too. I was in HS when Nam came about. I was barely out of HS when I knew it was a political war.

      • mickey

        lol forgot the “r” libertarian

  • Gary

    I think that everyone should read the book, “The Rise of the Fourth Rich”. Some speculation, but a lot of truth. The far right should be feared as much as the far left. Also I do agree with Ron Paul that we must End the Fed. Just giving the currency back to the people would save billions if not more every year. The Fed is owned by those that profit from war and destruction.
    Gary

  • Linda

    Your right, the defense industry is huge, but we have to give our servicemen the tools they need to do their job safely and effectively (when they’re allowed to). I’m a USMC veteran and, like you, believe in a strong National defense, but I’ve always said from the beginning – glass beach the region, get rid of the problem (however, carpet bombing with conventional bombs would be cheaper, just as effective and no risidual radiation – and it would give the USAF something to do other than flying Michele to her next multi million vacation ;\).
    I just found out that a school in Baltimore is teaching arabic studies to familitarize students with Arab culture. I doubt they are teaching them about the rampant human slavery that takes place in Saudi Arabia today or that Al Queda is an Arab based group. It’s so nice to know how we support regimes that support slavery and terror and try to safeguard them. Where are you Al Sharpton!?
    I also am waiting for the veterans to come out and speak up against the atrocities they saw being committed in Afganistan by Taliban, Alqueda and ‘terror group of the week’ against people who want to be free of tyranny and fear.
    I don’t know what the military is afraid of, they should be arresting these charlatans in office and put them on trial. They may not win, but at least some eyes and minds will be opened.

    • TN guy

      I wish schools would teach more of Arab history. Before Islam took over the Arab society was the pinnicle of knowledge, gathering scholars and collecting knowledge from every civilization on the planet. Our number system is still (wrongly) called Arabic numerals.

      Once Islam took over, the Imams realized that ignorant people were easier to control so they limited knowlegde for the masses and sharia law would still like them to be in the 12th century.

      The lesson to be learned is the value of the separation of church and state.

      • James

        When Christ returns, the church will be the state.

      • Robert Smith

        NO! I will NOT allow the American christian Taliban to take over. It would be just as evil as an muslum Talitan.

        Rob

      • James

        When Christ returns, every eye on earth will see His armada coming and many will flee into the hills to escape His wrath. Jesus Christ was, and is, incarnate God.

      • Mark in LA

        Not really true – after the Arab empire settled down it became the beacon of the world with Islam. In fact I saw a documentary where it claimed the Visigoths were in such a state of rot that they practically invited the Muslims in to restore order. Spain had a Muslim (Moors) presence till 1492 and Cordoba (I believe) was the center of learning in Europe in the 11th century and where European scholars flocked to and regained the knowledge lost in the Dark Ages prior to the Renaissance.

    • DaveH

      This is the fate of one American Hero, Linda, who had awakened to reality:
      http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-big-screen-documentary-exposes-pat-tillman-cover-up.html

    • bryant

      The armed forces are made up of people that don’t question why when things don’t add up, if you are that type of person,your application will be refused.I was in college classes when i was in 9th grade, in perfect physical health and my application was refused when i applied for the army, they told me to try the air force, i tried the air force,they told me i was not what they were looking for.

      • Sirian

        bryant,
        Uh, sorry, you have to be at least 18 or your Mom & Dad have to sign the paperwork needed for you to join either branch you mentioned. Unless I misunderstood what you wrote, “I was in college classes when i was in 9th grade, in perfect physical health and my application was refused when i applied for the army, they told me to try the air force, i tried the air force,they told me i was not what they were looking for.” It’s great that you were in college classes when you were in 9th grade but again, sorry kid, you have to be at a certain age before any branch of the military will even consider accepting you.

  • DP

    We have all heard the speach by President Eisenhower referencing the military industrial complex, but have you ever heard the whole speech? Try and find the entire speech, because the rest of the speech is very telling.

  • former walmart person

    War is the biggest racket indeed. I see you failed to mention what I beleive is one of the most horrible and completely idiotic of all wars… World War 1. World war 1 was so stupid and so obviosly fought just for the benefit of the elite, that a Christmas truce came out of it between the British, Germans, and French. After the Christmas truce of 1914, the furious elites had to bring in fresh troops to keep fighting. Not only was world war 1 retarded to the extreme, but it has to be one of the worst wars ever. To charge from one stupid rot infested trench to another, you had to brave machine gun fire, gas, flamethrowers, artillerly, etc. Such that you pretty much had a 50% chance of dying when advancing from one trench to the other. Thankfully, the tank was invented wich ended trench warfare. I tell you, I would take my chances telling the elites to go screw themselves and fight their own damn war before going to trench warfare. I can’t think of anything worse than sitting in a trench for hours and getting trench foot, only to have a gas cannister fly into your trench and cause you to throw on your mask in a panic. Screw that. I would rather be executed or thrown in jail than go through crap.

    • DaveH

      Some day the majority of citizens will wake to the fact that the Leaders are using them as cannon-fodder for the Leaders’ personal goals which have little or nothing to do with Freedom.

    • eddie47d

      Totally agree “walmart”. WWI was living proof that the Elites rule the world. How could one man be assassinated and then millions have to die because of his death. That whole war was obscene as most are.

  • Robert Smith

    Declared: “And, yes, we use nukes if that’s what it takes to make you behave.”

    We faught a nuclear war and WON. Japan is now a friend.

    That’s some history that we can repeat.

    Rob

    • http://naver Samurai

      Why are you such a hypocrate? You talk about going off to wars and saying we shouldn’t, but then you turn around and advocate using nukes on someone. I see we received your yearly lumps of coal fom Santa this year again. Neeeeed to be making that popping sound. I do agree about bringing our troops home and stationing them on our southern boarder. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        samurai thinks: “You talk about going off to wars and saying we shouldn’t, but then you turn around and advocate using nukes on someone.”

        Yup. When we go to war we should go to win without any doubts.

        Those who speak violence against America should expect the same from us only LOUDER. It’s the bigger bang theory of war IF we go to war.

        These current money pits that Chaney and his buddy dug aren’t war. They have been a misappropriation of our valuable resources for their own political gain catering to the extreme right.

        Rob

      • DaveH

        So you don’t care a lick about the mainstream citizens who had nothing at all to do with their Leaders’ trespasses? How come that doesn’t surprise me?

      • Robert Smith

        Hi Dave,

        I do care about colleratal damage, but if they don’t have the moxi to toss out bad leaders…

        Besides, THEY attacked our civilians in the Trade Towers.

        Rob

      • DaveH

        You’re mixing apples and oranges, Robert. The “They” who attacked the towers are not the same “They” who are innocent victims of collateral damage. When we advocate killing indiscriminately, we are no better than the creeps who killed the passengers and occupants of the Trade Center.

      • eddie47d

        Nuking any country is beyond serious and even a last resort scenario shouldn’t be attempted. Instead of just going after Robert how about taking on the numerous “conservatives” who have advocated using nukes. That would give your voice more credibility.

      • DaveH

        Why don’t you become less of a Troll, Eddie?

      • JeffH

        DaveH, one thing is for certain…hypocrit eddie goes after anyone that he disagrees with even if he doesn’t have a clue without a shred of cited evidence…like Forrest Gump said and it’s kind of like eddie’s thought process…

        Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re going to get… :)

      • eddie47d

        I wasn’t against what you said Dave only the lack of comprehension that both sides are doing the same thing which you do ignore on occasion. These wars won’t end if it’s only a one sided issue (Democrat vs Republican or Liberal vs Conservative). I probably agree with you on the causes and destructiveness of wars 100% or at least close to it. So lay off the troll talk on this subject.

      • DaveH

        Eddie,
        It’s none of your business who I comment to. I realize that it strains your Union mentality not to be able to dictate my actions.
        Name-calling is indeed a poor substitute for presenting the facts, but in this case, Eddie, the fact is that you’re a useless Troll.

      • eddie47d

        Even when I side with you Dave you become bitter and disjointed. You aren’t even worth the trouble.

      • Airdale150

        Im going to be polite Robert. You are silley.
        Why has Obama not allowed any oil and other recource drilling in the U.S. We have to buy most of our rescoures from our enemies. Also other Presidents have done the same. Its not the party. Its their agenda.

      • eddie47d

        There is plenty of drilling going on in the USA but I have brought that up several times so we’ll leave that for another day.

      • smilee

        He has allowed over 200 offshore permits, so that is just not true
        and of course there is ND

      • Rene

        Robert, America started down the wrong path back when Teddy Roosevelt was President, and along came Woodrow Wilson and his Socialist/Communist/Fascist Administration and their Handlers and it has snowballed ever since.

      • Sirian

        Well said Rene, well said. The Progressives (Socialist/Communist) work slowly but surely – very surely.

  • Insurgent

    War bolsters the American economy and no one every truly “wins”. Today, when the US leaves a Middle East country, the fighting and turmoil continues; these animals do not know peace.

    • DaveH

      Correction, war bolsters certain special interests in the American economy. The rest of us pay the bill.
      The idea that war bolsters general economies flies in the face of reason and experience. It is purely a myth promoted by those who profit from wars at the taxpayers’ expense. Wasting our natural resources and productive capacity on wars is not a good thing for the country.
      I realize that probably the majority of people have been Propagandized to believe that WWII brought us out of the Depression, but that simply was not true. In the early stages of WWII, our weapons industries benefited by selling arms to Europe, but once we got involved with our own equipment and expenditures that was changed. We did not come out of the Depression until the War was over and Government Spending was cut back dramatically:
      http://mises.org/daily/5069

      • Rene

        DaveH, you are 100% correct, it was the men and women coming home from war, and the lack of peace time production that left us without a lot of necessities of everyday life, that the post war production gave that restored our economy. The Elitists did not have to do without anything during the depression, or during the rationing years of the war, it was the Middle Class and the poor that sacrificed as usual during those times, and our economy was restored, and America became great during peacetime. Anyone that doubts this should research the Rationing of the 1940s, I remember as a child that after the war was over my parents gave the food stamps to me and my brother to play with. You could only buy a limited amount of anything during those years, and we thought it was this way with everyone, but after growing up, I found out that the very rich sacrificed nothing, but made profits.

      • eddie47d

        Spot on Rene with both of your comments.

    • Rene

      War bolsters the American economy in a negative way, it gives a false impression of well being for all except those that die, and those that loose loved ones in these wars. The true benefactors of wars are the International Banks who get it started, and finance both sides, and their partners, the Military Industrial Complex. We could have a steady growth economy by staying out of the wars, manufacturing peacetime goods, and providing peacetime services, trading with other countries with balanced trade, and doing away with all unconstitutional taxes. We could have better products, just as we had before all of our plants moved out of the country, and everyone could have a job, making decent money.

      • Sirian

        Rene, please, the gun runners and the arms dealers (we know who that is) wouldn’t like that type of scenario at all, now would they. . . :)

      • eddie47d

        The thing is Sirian I been warning folks about the gun runners for decades and it only gets worse. Whether it’s the government selling to other nations or immoral gun dealers in the USA or even from the old Russian Empire.

      • Sirian

        eddie47,
        Here’s the problem, anyone with a lick of sense should’ve realized the scale of the arms dealership gambit that has existed for a very, very long time. Nation to nation, business to business, banks to nations, so on and so on and so on. A plethora of different setups that are in day to day usage via one form or another. People most generally don’t even think of this area even though in reality it is of very intense concern. What Rene said is true but again, jokingly intended or otherwise, the primary arms dealers wouldn’t allow any correction to their monopoly under any circumstance. Remember, there are to many arms wizards behind the scenes that no one is ever allowed to see.

      • Joe Brooks

        “We could have a steady growth economy by staying out of the wars, manufacturing peacetime goods, and providing peacetime services, trading with other countries with balanced trade, and doing away with all unconstitutional taxes. We could have better products, just as we had before all of our plants moved out of the country, and everyone could have a job, making decent money.”

        Amen, Rene

        I know of a good temporary job, if you are interested. Some foreign lobbyist with BO as his initials is squandering more of the Founder’s legacy and our grandchildren’s prosperity in this position, right now.

  • Robert Smith

    From the article: “tired of seeing American taxpayers forced to hand over their money to politicians so they can pursue never-ending overseas military adventures.”

    George Orwell warned us of that one.

    Rob

    • Insurgent

      Robert, were all of your special education classes difficult for you?

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Insurgent, thanks for the fine example fron the right wing of attacking the poster rather than contributing anything that relates to the issue.

        Why do you think you are as exempt as Chaney when you break the rules? Is that a right wing trait?

        The rule: “Please don’t stoop to name calling.”

        Guess it doesn’t apply to the right wing.

        Rob

      • DaveH

        While indeed you have a valid point about the name-calling, Robert, the left-wingers who comment on this site are far more prolific with the name-calling and personal attacks.

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Dave, you posted: “the left-wingers who comment on this site are far more prolific with the name-calling and personal attacks.”

        Really? Can you prove such an outlandish statement? Have you counted posts from the left and right, or are you simply making another empty claim.

        Remember, it was the right who invented “swift boating” and other smear tactics over substance.

        Rob

      • DaveH

        That’s been my experienced observation, Robert. Can you prove it isn’t true?
        It’s certainly no more outlandish than your unsupported accusation — “Why do you think you are as exempt as Chaney when you break the rules? Is that a right wing trait?”

      • cawmun cents

        Five times as many deaths can be directly attributed to Kennedy’s vice presidential running mate.
        I will add again,a progressive Democrat.
        Where is your voice now?
        I challenge you to refute what I am saying.
        Who profitted from those deaths?
        Or does five times as many not matter?
        -CC.

      • Rene

        cawmum, it both sides of the two headed snake called the Two Party System, they are both owned by the same people.

      • cawmun cents

        Just so you know Rene,I am well aware of the factoid which you posted.
        I have this Brand A is Brand A,and Brand B is Brand A,thing whch I have stated since I came to this blog.
        But there are those who try to make a point as if it is otherwise.
        Mr. Smith is one of those individuals.
        He is the consumate hypocrite.
        One that has emotional stakes in the whole affair.
        Thus his reasoning is often flawed by hysterical rants concerning Christendom.
        He fails to understand the content of the conditions,or does not care for the conditions and therefore,creates his own.
        He is a product of the education system which is brutally flawed by revisionist rhetoric.
        But such is the case with many nowdays.
        -CC.

      • eddie47d

        Yet cawmun cents you keep bringing up the attacks against A or B and then refuse to link them together. I could say that Clinton had zero casualties in the Bosnian conflict and Obama had zero American casualties in Libya. Neither fact necessarily justified those incursions anymore than with casualties in Vietnam/Johnson or G. Bush/Iraq. I believe this article is trying to point out the foolishness of both parties yet we keep playing whack a mole in defense of “our side”

      • Insurgent

        There was not any name calling——————–just wondered how hard your classes were for you.

      • Robert Smith

        Actually college classes were very easy except for chemestry that I took as an elective just because I was curious about it.

        Rob

      • Robert Smith

        And the teacher was incredibly hot.

        Rob

      • Rene

        Insurgent, Robert is correct in his statement, don’t dismiss anything until you thoroughly research it!

    • http://naver Samurai

      Actually, they are more tired of having to pay 6 months worth of taxes for the nanny state we have now. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • s c

      While you were learning how to imitate a dumbed-down parrot, they should have told you that if you also climb up into a tree to act like a feces-throwing chimp, the only one you’ll ever impress is yourself.
      WHY are you the only one who’s fond of that stench you put out? You’re a legend in your own mind. Only someone like you could worship your false White House god, comrade.

      • Robert Smith

        Another shining example of right wing “discussion.”

        Thanks for making my point for me s c.

        Rob

      • Airdale150

        Robert it is easy to see you have a major problem. It is so simple to know that both parties are there to take over the country and the people. You need to get with the people not the gov. N.W.O.

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Aridale, how the heck are you? The flying Navy is part of the backbone of America’s defense.

        Now, when you have a point that isn’t an attack I’ll pay attention.

        Rob

      • eddie47d

        SC throws out nonsensical stench every single day without relevant information that anyone an learn from. She provides an extra helping of bitterness with lousy reasoning.

    • Sirian

      Robert S.,
      Side trivia for you – George Orwell was a Fabian Socialist, look it up.

      • Rene

        It doesen’t matter what George Orwell was, what is important is that being an insider himself, he had a glimpse of what the Elitists have planned for society, and passed it on to us in his book; 1984. The only thing he missed was the timming, and the advance in technology beyond their immagination. If you would like to learn what is planned for us, get the book; “Traggety and Hope by Professor Carroll Quiggly”, who was also an insider that had special privaledges into their plans.

      • Joe Brooks

        I am nearly 60 and have read nearly everything Blair wrote, including many of his essays. That he was a mass murdering Fabian Commie is news to me and everyone else in the world:

        “Orwell was never a member of the Fabian Society (led by Sidney and Beatrice Webb with adherents like George Bernard Shaw) which he said was comprised of blow-hard intellectuals pretending to be Socialists when deep down they were Communists lusting for power and control.

        Here’s an excerpt from the book THE ROAD TO WIGAN PIER which Orwell wrote in 1937 and which the so-called “Socialists” and Communists tried to have suppressed from publication:”

        http://www.orwelltoday.com/readerfabianorwell.shtml

      • Robert Smith

        Hi Sirian… I did look it up, here is what I found: “Orwell was never a member of the Fabian Society (led by Sidney and Beatrice Webb with adherents like George Bernard Shaw) which he said was comprised of blow-hard intellectuals pretending to be Socialists when deep down they were Communists lusting for power and control.”

        It’s from: http://www.orwelltoday.com/readerfabianorwell.shtml

        I never heard of the Fabian Society before. More information can be found at: http://www.fabians.org.uk/about-the-fabian-society

        Rob

      • Robert Smith

        Why is this post treated differently? It is clearly an answer to a direct question.

        Rob

      • libertytrain

        rob as I mentioned before as did several of us and Mr. Livingston on at least a dozen occasions – if you have foul words OR more than one link, the AUTOMATIC filter tosses it to some area for approval – where it can wait till a human can check it out… that’s probably what happened.

    • JeffH

      …and yet you still prefer to blame only Bush and Cheney?

      • eddie47d

        Bush and Cheney are a part of the equation in everything that is going on in and in every discussion. No different than Obama has to be a part of each and every discussion. One side created the mess and the other side is continuing it.

      • JeffH

        You got all the talking points down now if you could just understand what they mean…constant contradictions…

      • Robert Smith

        Hi JeffH,

        I’m curious… Are you denying the Bush / Chaney efforts?

        Rob

      • JeffH

        Rob, I’mm curious as to why you would ask?

    • w h richardson

      Robert you are correct, to all the war mongers, go get em, we have an all volunteer army, does that give you an insite into the minds of the younger generation. My grandson volunteered, as did my son, personally it is a shame that all our young folks want to do is go into the military, go figure

      • Robert Smith

        Wow… I’m saddened that you consider a career in the military anything less than an honerable path to follow.

        I don’t blame most of the military for the bogus missions they are sento on by politicians.

        Rob

  • Robert Smith

    Fact: “But, along the way, $1 trillion got transferred from the pockets of taxpayers into the coffers of the military-industrial complex.”

    Eisenhaur warned us of exactly that.

    And then came the no bid contracts from Chaney and Halleburten.

    Rob

    • http://naver Samurai

      Cheney, baaaaa! Haliburton, baaaaa! Money for wars, baaaaa! Chaaaaange! Can’t you losers come up with some new material? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Tim L.

        Apparently you have no problem with the fact that Cheney and his favorite charity (Haliburton) Raped this country and profited from the deaths of thousands of our troops. I know, it’s all Obama’s fault.

      • Mary

        They all should be hang for treason.

      • Jim W

        Actually we are paying Carter’s foolishness in blood. That is how these things usually work out. Unfortunately we will end up paying for the current Marxist in blood later also.

      • Tim L.

        I guess you are relieving Bush/Cheney of any responsibility for the current mess.

      • eddie47d

        You can do better than that Professor Samurai. You made yourself look foolish.

      • Robert Smith

        Samurai asks: “Can’t you losers come up with some new material”

        Why? The truth is that Chaney and his cronies raped America with their no bid contracts.

        Others have also gone around the rules as in Ollie North and his antics.

        It’s tough to run a country when rules are just for Democrats.

        Rob

      • speedle

        Ah, I love this country and its free speech. It gives us opportunity to laugh at morons who love to opine regardless of knowledge of what they speak. Wouldn’t it be boring if that weren’t the case?

        Robert, do a bit of research about Cheney and Halliburton. When Cheney was V.P. and had influence over military decisions he had zero financial interest in Halliburton. Neither did Bush. So stop making an ass of yourself with the Cheney/Halliburton/military industrial complex mantra. You sound like a continuous loop recording that no one is listening to.

      • Rene

        speedle, you had better do a little deeper research and check your fact again, Cheney did not give up his stock in haliburtin, nor KBR.

      • eddie47d

        Wouldn’t Cheney show favoritism to Haliburton whether in office or out of office? Seems to be crony capitalism at it’s finest.

      • Brad

        It seems as if Rene and Eddie don’t understand the world of US government contracts, you see the gov posts an RFP to all interested company’s wanting to do business with it. In the case of Haliburton which owned KBR they won the new Army support contract in 2001 since no other company bid on the contract. Normally US contracts are valid for a period of 5 to 10 year’s depending on the contract. When the US went to war in 2003 KBR followed the US Army as it was contracted to do, hence the lefts belief Haliburton/KBR had a no bid contract which on the contrary they had a valid contract in place. There is very small organization that audits all government contracts it is known as DCAA, DCAA audits every single contract the US gov has and they are very efficient at what they do. DCAA is non partisan and after auditing KBR DCAA with held 289 mil in payments and fined KBR another 111 mil for bogus charges not within their contract. Rene and Eddie did you two know that Haliburton sold KBR back in 2006, want to know why, Haliburton wasn’t making any money off of KBR through government contracts.

      • speedle

        Rene, it is you that needs to do the research. Cheney only had “stock options” (if you even know what that means) in Halliburton of which he and his wife assigned ownership to charity before he took office. Get up with the facts before you comment.

        Brad, apparently government contracts are the tip of the iceberg of what Rene and Eddie don’t understand.

      • eddie47d

        I brought up the Haliburton shenanigans months ago and their part in the Bank of Kabul. Where $900 million went missing. They inflated everything they touched and milked the government on several projects. So lay off of the eddie doesn’t understand baloney.

      • kemp

        And the Democrats follow the rules????????
        WHEN?????????????

      • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/government/a-better-idea-for-national-defense/?eiid&replytocom=687705#respond William L Collins

        Samurai you need to go to any vet hospital and vet med centers and take a good look at the vets in wheel chairs no arms and legs do to BUSH,CHAINY,OBAMA,HILLARY,and the elite wars just for capatal gain of every body elsa boys & girls but not one dam one of theres or them or at there there expeince and then when they get back you and the government don’t think that you should even help or pay for his damage he has to fight the elite government agentcy to get compersation for his or her duty and lose and live off a fixed in come the rest there life but you let any elite government get a tack stuck in his you no where for setting on it they will get full retirement all benefits at full pay no expeance spared and its S.O.B.s like you and the veterans addministration that treat 99% of the vets like dirt under there feet when we file a clame then prorate you for years make a morjority pay com pay for med now we can thank gorge bush,kerry,department of defience for that only the elite get full benifits full pay the vet or veterans get prorated to one fifth to one fourth pay of what they could make in privet work and you wounder why so many vet are home less SO I’LL VOTE FOR RON PAUL the rest of S.O.B.s just like you are whorth wasting vote time or money on

      • El Gringo

        William, with all due respect, please try using your spell checker.

      • Ainglush Teechur

        Willyum. pleass lurn tew spaiol and punkshewate. Ist dyfikolt to unnerstanb yew or tayke yew sereeisilly

    • DaveH

      Robert,
      When you can’t even take the time to spell their names right (Cheney and Halliburton) it kinda weakens your credibility.

      • libertytrain

        I don’t think he has any credibility. He spouts off viciously about others and then has nothing but attacks for folks because they don’t agree with his attempts at shock and awe… You’re an atheist and yet you don’t condemn anyone on here that believes in a God – I think that shows an actual intellect rather than those that try and take our freedoms by their own failure to understand what freedom is.

      • JeffH

        Hear Hear!

      • Rene

        DaveH, one’s ability/inabillity to spell correctly, doesn’t dicredit their knowledge, only when they are proven to make false statements is their credability threatened, and as you have seen, the ones that are making statements based only upon heresay, without doing their research, can frequently discredit themselves. Lets all do our research, and report only what we know is documented, and we can begin to build our defense against tyranny.

      • DaveH

        If somebody is accusing political figures of wrongdoing, Rene, and they can’t spell either name correctly, it sure does lead one to believe that they really haven’t done much research on their targets.

      • smilee

        Davie

        Are you trying to convince us your to dumb to know whom he was talking about, even I think your smarter than that

    • Rene

      If any of you would like to know American Banking History, and how these wars were perpetrated by the International bankers, how the Bankers gained control of our government and so on, get the book by G. Edward Griffin, The Creature from Jekyll Island. It is fully documented through out, and a real eyeopener, and will turn lights on every subject being discussed here.

      • Sirian

        Rene, yes, that is a very good book that I too wish everyone would read. OK, here’s one for you to pull up on line and read. “The Coming Battle” by M.W. Walbert, copyright 1899. This one will also give you a very clear view as to how long the bankers have been manipulating our financial and Congressional foundations. Again, you will find it most interesting especially since it is from a more distant time frame which in turn brings much more into light.

    • Rene

      After Eisenhower, came warnings from John F Kennedy, just months before he was assinated, then Martin Luther King, just before his assination, then Robert Kennedy, then Ronald Reagan, before he was nearly assinated, and so on. It seems that everyone that is able to make it into a position where he is listened to, and starts telling the truth, is assinated or threatened to the extent that he shuts up.
      I have been worring about Ron Paul for quiet some time, because more and more people are beginning to turn to him.

      • Joe Brooks

        Agreed, I am concerned about Paul and Roemer.

  • s c

    Your last paragraph says it all, Robert. In no way is our military lacking patriotism. If only the same could be said for the filth who send our military off and around the world to play the part of a cheap prostie and the world’s cop.
    If our “leaders” want to show off their sunshine patriotism, let those miserable SOBs put some skin into the game. Let THEM fight wars that can’t be won. Let THEM fund unnecessary wars that prove that foreign intervention is suicidal to a free nation.

    • Robert Smith

      Question asked: “I can just hear them asking, “Who sent all these healthy young men and women off to be maimed and killed?”

      Answered: George W. Bush and Dick Chaney started the current mess.

      Rob

      • http://naver Samurai

        Obama bin Laden added onto the wars by starting them in Lybia, Yemen, sending troops to Uganda, sending trrops from Iraq to Afghanistan, still have troops present in Iraq (Which he promised to have come home within the first 6 minths of his 1 term.), and wishes to send 15,000 marines to Australia, along with the Navy, to check China’s presence in the South China Sea. Yep, it really sounds like Obama bin Laden has expanded the “empire building” of this country. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • FreedomFighter

        National Defense – allot goes into it, little of it making anyone happy.

        We should be protecting the Constitution, Bill of rights, freedom, liberty and our:

        Borders
        Language
        Culture
        Industry
        Resources…
        Last but not least, the American People

        American has no real National Defense program at this time. Oh yes we have a military all over the world performing world class smack down on any nation or people the New World Order banksters feel need a lesson, thus protecting their interests worldwide, we are not protecting America’s interests.

        We have a TSA or as I call them Obama’s brown shirts, all over the country groping and molesting Americans, yet Obama leaves our Southern border wide open, does this make any sense at all? Now also remember the Obama Regime is building a fence along the Canadian border to keep you IN. BTW the TSA has not caught a single Terrorist yet, billions spent, no results whatsoever. Meanwhile millions of illegal’s pour across the border, some North Korean, Communist Chinese, Muslim and the other usual suspects.

        National Defense you say, America can defeat any country on this planet without using a single boot on the ground, why are we exposing our young men and women to danger? The New World Order maggots want to grind down our most brave, most talented warriors to make the coming take over of America easier.

        The TSA is the instrument that is being used to subdue Americans, the TSA has jack to do with National Defense and everything to do with the enslavement of America.

        Obama has no National Defense, he is actually destroying it, canceled our Raptor fleet for the Air Force, leaves our Nuke subs in port for easy targeting, wastes resources, shuts down business, shuts down industry, leaves the borders open to destroy our culture, language, and eventually America. Why you ask? To maintain power by getting there vote, after giving free medical, free food, free housing and money to spend Obama does expect them to vote for DEMONRATS.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Obama believes in the N.W.O., a continuation of the Socialist take over of America. It may be to late to stop. I am considering leaving the U.S.A., you may want to do likewise.

      • MikeFromNC

        Well put! I can’t fathom how so many Americans can be deceived. Do the democrat free loader voters think the free money will never run out? Does obummers big teeth mesmerize the lazy class?
        I say to every real American patriot (and it is obvious who these are)- Be prepared – what oloser doesn’t understand is that the military is full of real Americans – when push comes to shove he won’t be able to control them like a communist military.

      • Joe Berger

        Wasn’t it BUSH who really got the Mexican invasion rolling?
        Obama is bad but Bush was worse.
        Bush allowed the “housing bubble fiasco” by allowing everyone to falsify their mortgage applications with total impunity.
        It was also Bush who exported all our jobs to Asia.
        It was Bush who started the Afghan and Iraqi wars, and borrowed all the money to finance them.
        North America is a civilization in decline. WE ARE DONE…FINISHED…KAPUT.

      • Airdale150

        FreedomFighter your comment is one of the best, honest and very,very true I have read in a very long time. The N W O needs to be brought out a lot more so the people find out about it.

      • eddie47d

        How can FF’s comment be the best when it was only an attack against Obama. Until some of you get a real grasp on the Military Industrial Complex you have learned nothing. It was much larger under the Cheney/Bush regime and totally corrupt. It’s been around for decades but all of a sudden you’ve woken up because Obama is President. That is why it is hard to believe anyone here because it is about politics (Obama)and regaining power for yourself. Then once in power it will be your turn again to mess things up and you’ll be back in bed with the Military Industrial Complex.

      • mickey

        This all started way before the Bushes, Clintons, obama. It has been going on at least since the turn of the last century. Although, I hate to agree with eddie, he is right. Both sides just take turns.

        all the more reason to pay attention to RP. $5 gets his name out to a few more people.

        Without a preservation of the Constitution and BRs, we have no soverignty. We cannot even have free speech (information), guns, protection from search and seizure (NDAA).

        Even those things we put in our body, raw milk, walnuts for pity’s sake, and on and on have no meaning without the BRs

        We aren’t winning anything except the label on those air wings bearing US “will bomb you”. While China and Japan, many others too, make trade agreements, we are still listening to neo-cons-bomb, bomb, and bomb some more.

        I am old enough to remember the WWII vets. They weren’t hidden from view nor did they receive new legs and arms.

      • RYNO

        America ceased being a peaceful nation for the people by the people in 1913 when the federal reserve act passed and the control of our economy fell into the hands of private bankers, effectively making the america a profitable business and war is VERY profitable!

      • Karolyn

        capitalist – That is New WORLD Order, meaning you will not be able to escape it.

      • vicki

        Joe Berger says:
        “Obama is bad but Bush was worse.
        Bush allowed the “housing bubble fiasco” by allowing everyone to falsify their mortgage applications with total impunity.”

        You do realize that your assertion is trivially easy to disprove? Why did you bother to make it? Bush might be responsible for many things but the housing bubble fiasco is NOT one of them.
        Here for your enlightenment is the proof.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

        Democrats on the other hand….

      • Thinking about

        do you always believe everything you hear on youTube?

      • vicki

        Thinking about doesn’t and says:
        “do you always believe everything you hear on youTube?”

        do you always not think? If you have evidence to the contrary, present it. Otherwise your response is silly and not very useful.

      • Mary

        And Iman Obama continue. They are the same S…..

      • Laura

        Robert, go back a bit farther. If you really want to know the trail to Iraq read “Duped America” by Robert Bernstein. It is eye opening. We as Americans have to be careful not to just repeat what we hear but do the research on the topics.

      • Robert Smith

        Hi Laura,

        Is that the one that shows the trail of deception with the yellow cake and the 10 Downing Street memo?

        Rob

      • http://www.personalliberty.com Patrick Corrigan

        The principal cause of our extremely corrupt government is there is way too much money in politics.
        Mr. Rick Perry’s comment about a part time legislature is a very fine start, Mr. Paul’s idea about our greatest foreign policy risk is our unwilling attitude to control our domestic spending, and Mr. Cain’s idea to fix the tax system are all a fine. start.
        There is so much wasteful spending, we do not need more taxes on anybody, including the rich.

      • Buddy

        No, Smith, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney did not start this insane warfare tradition. They were carrying on a tradition which extended through the “civil war”, WWI and WWII, and up through more recent “adventures”. It’s always been that way!

      • http://www.personalliberty.com Patrick Corrigan

        No matter what small details, or who we put in power, until we let God run the classroom, boardroom, and bedroom, then we are not going to do well again.

      • DaveH

        Robert,
        It started with Abe Lincoln. And proceeded with earnest after the Federal Reserve was created. With the Federal Reserve, the Government has a ready source of funds with which to pursue the Leaders’ self-interested empire building and global engagements at the citizens’ expense.
        You need to study past history, Robert. The Democrats have the record for the most war and military involvements. But obviously the Republicans aren’t shy about being the World’s Policemen.

      • Rene

        Abe Lincoln was the first President to grossly violate the Constitution, and place the US under Martial Law, and we have been there ever since. After we had began to get back on our feet from the War of 1861, along came the Wilson Administration, and undid the one thing that Lincoln did right, and that was to stand against the International Bankers.

      • karel Eekels

        For all well concerned citizens that need the sand cleared out of their eyes, I recommend strongly to read and pay attention to the classical ” On War” where the author Carl von Clausewitz shares his wisdom with willing readers, and understand the meaning of ” War is politics by other means”.

        Carl von Clausewitz reminds us, and does so eloquently, that civilians and ego maniac (with no military background) decision & policy makers leaders (of the body politico) in conflict situations are visionaries with a poorly developed sense of fear and have no concept of the odds against them, causing millions and millions of deaths of competent military strategists, soldiers and civilians.

        This should help out so many mindless commentators on how to frame a question properly! The answers and commentaries are unimportant when the questions are not really valid.

        The finger pointing and blame game of

      • Don

        Robert, you must have forgot about 9/11, or don’t care about 3000 American’s who lost their lives, and if i remember right our troops went to war with the approval of congress, and yes dems voted for it before they voted against it, unlike your president that goes to war with the stroke of his pen, talk about pen, thats where the bastard needs to be !!!

      • Rene

        Don, http://www.ae911truth.org/, if youre not afraid of the truth.

      • dfinch

        You people are as bad as the birthers. It just goes on and on and on. No one will ever know the truth.

      • Brad

        Rene,

        The reality is 3000 people are dead at the hands of islamic extreamists. Damage combined with burning jet fuel with temps ranging over 2000 degrees F. The steel gurters supporting the structure had an approximate melt point of 1200 degrees F. Answer this one simple question, why did each tower collapse towards the aircraft impact points… Once you can answer that question you will come to realise there was no government conspiracy and there were no explosives set off to cause both towers to collapse. Oh by the way, why did the second tower hit collapse first??? Rene answer that question also, inquiring minds want to know.

      • vicki

        Brad. One of the things the demolition “experts” forget is that jet fuel dosn’t burn particularly hot EXCEPT when you add fast moving air. Similar to the way a forge and bellows works the wind that day blowing thru the fire floors undoubtedly heated the interior somewhat hotter than people believe. Add the wood and plastics and other interesting chemicals in the burning areas and it would be quite easy to exceed the softening point of steel.

        If there were a conspiracy in 9/11 it was in getting the terrorists on the planes only. All the physics of the tower burn and collapse is easily explained by simple physics.

        Here is even more info on the simple physics
        http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/11/28/the-physics-of-9-11/

      • Robert Smith

        From Brad: “The reality is 3000 people are dead at the hands of islamic extreamists. ”

        Science can land a man on the moon.

        Religion landed people in a building.

        Rob

      • vicki

        Robert Smith writes (trying to tarnish religion)
        “Religion landed people in a building.”

        Actually it was science and not religion. They did not believe themselves into the building. They used the scientific principles of aerodynamics.

        The science of gravity and thermodynamics brought the buildings to a really bad landing.

      • Robert Smith

        Don says: “and if i remember right our troops went to war with the approval of congress, ”

        You do remember the votes, but those votes were on the basis of LIES from the Bush administration.

        There were no weapons of mass distructon, etc. The intelligence proved that and Bush ignored it and kept beating his war drum.

        Rob

        Rob

      • Jim W

        And nothing was in the truck convoys that went to Sira and southern Russia while we waited for the UN to act. There were no Russian aircraft with French avionics buried in the desert in Iraq either. Do some real research outside of the MSM and get some real facts not just the ones the left want you to pariot.

      • eddie47d

        Come on Jim the right constantly parrots talking points from their handlers too. We can all be naive.

      • Bob Marshall

        if anyone care to remember,bothe the CIA and the FBI stated that there was no proof that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. Unfortunately 70% of America chose to believe the lies put out by the White House and the corporate controlled news media.

      • Glen Kersten

        I met a military commander who told me that he personally saw the WMDs in Iraq, contrary to the politically correct liars in Congress.
        Get real

      • Joe

        Saddam Hussein had chemical and biological weapons. He used them on his own people. That was an established fact long before we ever went into Iraq.

      • cawmun cents

        And who sent people off to be maimed and killed in Viet Nam?
        Lyndon Baines Johnson.
        Progressive Democrat.
        So what is your point?
        Five times as many people were killed in Viet Nam,as in both of these wars.Yet you still want to blame that on the republicans?
        You sir are a filthy rat,when it comes to pointing the finger at others.But then what else can we expect from a progressive?
        -CC.

      • Robert Smith

        Eisenhour was the first to send in “advisors”.

        Rob

      • independant thinker

        while it is true he sent the first advisors to Viet Nam the ones he sent were just that advisors that trained the South Viet Nam military. Kennedy sent in more advisors and a few troups to guard the advisors bases then Johenson sent in the massive amounts of troups to fight the war instead of just advising and training the South Viet Nam solders.

      • ValDM

        Once again, Smith, you don’t have it right. Truman sent “advisors” to Korea. Then, Eisenhower to Nam. Kennedy sent more troops, then LBJ REALLY escalated troop involvement. Somehow or another you’ve even forgotten Bosnia. Learn some history, for Pete’s sake & stop trying to sound like you know something.

      • Mark in LA

        You say potaato, I say potahto. You say troops, I say advisors. You say trainers, I say special forces. You are an idiot if you think changing the names means anything. They were troops and sending them there is an act of war.

      • eddie47d

        Were cawmun cents and independent thinker out in the streets protesting the Vietnam War and trying to put an end to that insanity? Is all this blather hindsight because nothing has changed has it? I served in Vietnam right out of High School because of Patriotism and felt it was the right thing to do. Not knowing the real facts behind who started that war and for the wrong reasons gave me a wake up call that I have been protesting to this day. Every new war that is started I cringe and know the American people will be as duped as I was and go along with these actions. Presidents Johnson and Nixon were skunks who were also duped by their handlers. (Secretary of Defense.etc)President have the fear of NOT going to war and are easily manipulated by those around them. That was true with Reagan,Clinton,G Bush and even Obama. They all feel their political careers will be damaged if they don’t find an enemy to pursue. It’s that wars = patriotism thing we all get caught up in and we keep getting fooled again and again.

      • mickey

        Try Kissinger and I’ll agree. He, besides a nasty person, envied the President’s slot. He has always thought it was wrong to limit the position to native born.

        At the time, I thought he was just a great patriot, have I learned more!!

      • cawmun cents

        What you have here is the fact that Robert Smiths tost has to be buttered on both sides.
        He is one of those happy,fuzzy,emotional liberals who defends the cause.
        But his slip is showing.
        Later in this very post,Mr. Smith(paraphrasing)states that he believes we should fight wars to win.
        Republicans who are connected to massive corporations are heartless warmongering profiteers.
        Yet what has kept us in Iraq,and Afghanistan,is the part where we do the nation building.Something which is tacked on to the price of using the war machine of the USA.A price I might add that doesnt add up to heartless murdering corporations.
        It does however,add up and point to,progressive political correctiveness.
        Heartless corporations do not build nations or try to provide Democracy.That is the Democratic party which does these things,right?
        They are the nice people who defend others rights,right?
        The math here just doesnt add up.

        Heartless warmongering corporate profiteers,and progressive politically correct nation builders,sharing a common goal?Hmmmmm….
        Seems as if there is something wrong with your reasoning Mr. Smith.
        That sum just doesnt add up.
        But what do I know?
        Apparently very little…..
        -CC.

      • Rene

        The whole point of the wars is for more than just profit, true the Banks and Military Indudtrial Complex benefits from the wars, but the International Banking Families have a plan for a One World Order, with them in control, every major war has been orchastrated towards that end. The Muslim Nations do not allow Usery in their countries, so they do not allow the International Reserve Banks in their countries. The Globalists cannot control the world until they control the currency,their goal is to create an International Banking System, and an International Currency, and then they can control everything. I believe it was Amshel Mayer Rothschild who said “I care not who makes the Laws, but give me control of the Nations Money, and I will Control the Nation”, this may not be the exact wording but it was the exact meaning.

      • eddie47d

        Cawmun cents seem to be defending the left/right paradigm and is taking the side of the Republicans instead of focusing on evils of both parties. Now if you can’t see the forest through the trees then it is time to get out of the way on this war issue. It’s both the Democrats and Republicans who nurture and start wars. It’s the Republicans and Democrats that involve us in nation building. It’s the Democrats and Republicans who have thousands of our young men killed or wounded. It’s the Democrats and Republicans who have our military personel running around with prosthesis on. Nothing Robert said was wrong and maybe he is one sided also but almost everything you said was misplaced propaganda. Some day you might add up the deceit in Washington and come up with the correct answer that Republicans + Democrats equal Zero when it comes to warmongering. They are of the same cloth in jeopardizing our security.

      • Brad

        Eddie,

        Why aren’t you calling for the removal of all RINO’s and long term DINO’s so we can bring in some new blood and get this country back to where it belongs instead of heading down the tubes to third world status.

      • eddie47d

        That could be a big plus!

      • cawmun cents

        What I was saying eddie47d,is that the math which Smith claims usage of in this case doesnt add up.You cant have it both ways and get the same out come.I am not the one doing the left right paradigm here.
        If we are in a foreign war for that long against that inferior of a force,then there is politics behind it.
        The kind of politics which stem from the middle of the tree,instead of the left and right branches.
        That is all I was stating.
        Just so you know,I am anti-war,and anti-democracy building too.
        What folks choos to let subjugate them is up to them,Hell I live here in America too dont I?
        But if my dad was president and left a mess in some other place,and I became president,I would attempt to fix that mess,wouldnt you?
        It only seems like the right thing to do.Even if everyone hated me for trying to clean up my dads mess I would still try.Not just because it is my familys name which is at stake,but because it would be the right thing to do.Iraq.
        You think it is somenes idea of how to get rich.
        I think it was someones idea of how to clean up a mess
        Either way I am not saying that it was right,just that it makes sense.
        Afghanistan is much the same,but for different reasons.
        If it wasnt a mess over there,then things wouldnt need tidying up.
        You call it profiteering,I call it taking out some trash I left while I was camping.
        But what do II know?
        Apparently very little……..
        -CC.

      • JeffH

        Rob, c’mon, you can do better than that can’t you?

        WRONG – GW Bush? These perpetual wars started long before any of the Bush’s were in office. Did you even bother to read Ringer’s commentary?

        Maybe this might help you to see this a little more clearly…
        http://mises.org/rothbard/rothbardorwell.asp

      • http://personalliberty larry kemp

        bush new all aqbout the planes crashing into the towers before it was even broadcast. when he was in florida that day a child asked him about it and he said he saw it on tv before it was even broadcasted. he’s as guilty as the rest of those cummie bastards in washington.

      • JeffH

        larry, not sure what the point of your comment was in relation to my comment to Rob?

      • JeffH

        FYI – if you think I’m defending Bush you’re wrong. :)

      • grossyi

        Don’t stop there, you’re only telling part of the story. What of a Congress that agreed to pay for it, what about an electorate that sat on their collective hands? Yes you can blame Bush, but avoid looking in the mirror, it’s justas much your fault.

      • Erik

        Hey Robert Smith, You forgot to mention your idol obumer! How many lives has he destroyed,and will destroy in the future? You’re a typical limosine liberal Phoney!

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        The Political Bush Family headed by Laura… Are connected to a vicious demon! to be obviously in control of the World & Hevens! Since Government is Started with Prayer now… And who knows how much sooner!

    • hipshotpercusion

      I just heard an excellent idea. Everybody go down to your local military reqruiter and get some business cards. Then, when these Chicken Hawks start talking about US going over there and getting whoever, give them a card and tell them….”have at it.

      • Pepper

        My thoughts exactly! Michelle Baucmann, and the rest of the GOP and DEM warmongers need to lead by example by heading to the front line of the next war. Ron Paul stands alone, but stands above and if he is a “nut” I am too!

      • Rene

        Ron Paul is the only True Constitutionalist in the running. Gary Johnson I believe would make a good vice-President.

      • Moses

        I think Donald Trump would make an excellent Vice-President.

      • eddie47d

        Ron Paul is the only one with common cents when it comes to National Security. What is Trump’s position on foreign intervention?

    • Neil

      How true. That’s the very reason we don’t have a draft in effect right now. The politicians don’t want their own kids on the front lines.

      • DaveH

        I’m not sure that most of those sociopaths would even care about their own children.

    • Joe Brooks

      A very knowledgeable voice from the past; General Butler:

      “WAR is a racket. It always has been.

      It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.”

      The entire book, very short and I am not saying I agree with the General completely.
      http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

      • Mike W.

        I read the book, too. I agree with General Butler’s premise. Wars are started by men who have nothing to lose and everything to gain and fought by men who in turn have nothing to gain but everything to lose.
        That everything is their only natural life.
        It’s a shame that we humans have to live with this dilema. Peace is a much more viable alternative. And cheaper, too.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/government/a-better-idea-for-national-defense/?eiid&replytocom=687705#respond William L Collins

      you said it all and its the truth if everybody in congress & senate and there kid boys & girls where put on the front lines there courdly ass would be talking and the right thing now george bush was nouthing but a cowareds a long with chainy and all the rest w,dc. all but RON PAUL he says the same thing as you say and beleve as i do and any vet thats been there and done that and i’ll say this if they come at us again take them out take there country may it ours not theres they abide buy our laws not theres and I’ll vote for RON PAUL and senator congress man or women that back him no matter witch side the aile he or shes on repub or dem lib but we do need to get this Obama,Bush, Clinton,Peloie,Reaid,Boehner addminastration out of office and take our country back from greedy money hungry cowards so vote RON PAUL to start it

    • Tom SC

      Our leadership at the congretional level respond to the UN on maters of forign WARs.In 1953 Gen. McArthur was fired by Truman because he failed to comply with the rules set down by that bunch of spies. He was required to submit a battle plan to the UN before making an offensive move and the North Korean Chinese were always waiting for him. When he deliberately chased them back into Manchuria and was on the verg of victory the UN called foul because he didn’t notify them of his intent. Get us out of the UN and the UN out of the US!!!

      • Mark in LA

        MacArther was an idiot and an egotistical jack-ass who didn’t like the fact that the Pacific theater was primarily a naval battle and he didn’t figure much in it’s outcome. He was never on the verge of “victory” because Mao didn’t give a damn about how many Chinese soldiers he sent off to die. However, MacArther crossing the Yalu River when warned by the Chinese led to many American deaths for no other reason than his “glory”.

      • Joe

        Damn straight. MacArthur was fired for violating orders. He was told not to antagonize the Chinese by getting too close to the border but he did it anyway because he WANTED to fight the Chinese and the Chinese pushed back hard. We had Korea won before the Chinese push and Korea would be united today and we wouldn’t have the likes of the Jong Il family running the North if it hadn’t been for him.

    • Bill

      Robert, I am sure by now you realize that Ron Paul has been right all along. However I have my doubts that you would vote for him. I would bet you are somewhat like that young fellow that came to our farm when we were killing a few chickens for dinner. He asked if he would be allowed to kill one chicken. My dad said OK. He put the chickens head between the two nails that were on a 2X4, and raised the hatchet. He held that position a long time with his hand raised but could not bring himself to lower his hand swiftly and take the chickens head off. We have so many that talk the talk but will not walk the walk. Your words are that…words, they are meaningless. Show me that you can support the only candidate with the Rebubs. and Demos. that will be willing to use the hatchet to chop this government into tiny constitutional pieces. Starting with the head of the government and then eviscerating the whole chicken so that the American Constitution, and its people will be free to enjoy their constitutional freedom. I support Ron because I think he is the only one there that will swing the hatchet and start to free the people.(start by eliminating 5 departments that are not constitutional, followed by One trillion, ($1,000,000,000,000,000.00) elimination cuts, not projections, from the budget) I think most people know what they want to do but like that city fellow that came out to the farm, he didn’t have the guts to do what he knew had to be done. We were able to eat dinner that day because someone was willing to do what was necessary.

      • Robert Smith

        From Bill: “he didn’t have the guts to do what he knew had to be done…”

        Hi Bill,

        Although I’m not Jewish I did learn a few things along the way. One is at: http://www.ehow.com/how_2089365_slaughter-cow-according-jewish-law.html

        Some of us understand that animals are for human consumption.

        Venison is really great. Low fat, and inexpensive if you have a gun around already.

        Rob

      • Robert Smith

        From Bill: “Robert, I am sure by now you realize that Ron Paul has been right all along”

        No, Ron Paul is not right about a lot of things.

        As a doctor he should know that most folks having a late term abortion WANTED to have a kid and that it was medical circumstances that precipitated an abortion.

        It is clear he is willing to cater to the extreme right wing for votes rather than deal with the truth, of which he is clearly informed of as an MD.

        Rob

    • hitthedeck

      Politicians loose wars that our armies can win. It is so stupid to act humane in war to look politically correct to the world while our men and women are being killed and maimed by playing fare on the battlefields against an enemy who shows no mercy. America is the only country that never uses the word conquers when fighting a war. We are the only country who rebuilds the country we destroy at our expense and our sacrifice of human life. Our enemy is rewarded and when we replenish their strength and leave their country they burn our flags in the streets of their cities. We leave Iraq with billions of dollars in improvements of their understructure and billions of dollars in military equipment. Where is the payback and where is the discount on a barrow of oil? We have fools in Washington and we are fools for letting them make foreign policy.

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