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Report: Local Police Becoming Increasingly Militarized

December 23, 2011 by  

Report: Local Police Becoming Increasingly Militarized

Police forces in cities across the Nation are becoming increasingly militarized, concludes a new report from the Center For Investigative Reporting.

Police, like those in Fargo, N.D., have bought bomb-detection robots, digital communications equipment and Kevlar helmets similar those used by soldiers in foreign wars. The onslaught of purchases for military-style equipment is being carried out with Homeland Security funds allotted since the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks. In Fargo, the police are equipped with a $256,643 armored truck, complete with a rotating turret. Because opportunities to use such heavy firepower are rare, the truck makes routine appearances at town picnics.

Since 9/11, the Federal government has shelled out more than $34 billion in an effort to militarize police forces throughout the country. Following is a list of some of just a few of the things the report says that America’s now quasi-military police forces have purchased with the money:

  • In Montgomery County, Texas, the sheriff’s department owns a $300,000 pilotless surveillance drone.
  • In Garland County, Ark., a local law enforcement agency acquired four handheld bulletproof protective shields costing $600 each.
  • In East Baton Rouge, La., local law enforcement purchased $400 ballistic helmets.
  • In Augusta, Maine, with fewer than 20,000 people and where an officer has not died from gunfire in the line of duty in more than 125 years, police bought eight $1,500 tactical vests.
  • Police in Des Moines, Iowa, purchased two $180,000 bomb robots.
  • The city of Ogden, Utah, is about to launch a 54-foot, remote-controlled “crime-fighting blimp” with a powerful surveillance camera.

Besides the military-style equipment being provided to officers on many forces, training procedures are taking on an increasingly martial style. Law enforcement officials in places like Fargo say that despite the fact that crime rates do not appear to be on the rise, concerns over terrorism and some right-wing militias and white supremacists have been long-standing threats.

 

Filed Under: Freedom Concerns, Government, Liberty News, Staff Reports
Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS in Australia

    libertytrain…I’m afraid you are a rather misguided fellow…just like so many greedy other people who think the world revolves around them only … that your living in your own little world without relying on anyone to survive..ie that people will continue to buy your product or services irrespective of what the level prosperity of the people around you might be. I believe you are wrong and misguided to join with any government to stop your returned servicemen from receiving income because you might feel they are no longer ‘doing anything’ when they return…you are small minded to deny them income support until they find their feet again. I pity any of your workers who might get sick or injured …you would just kick them out without showing any loyalty if they had given you loyalty…. You are a true Dr Scrooge

    • DaveH

      You got all that from Libertytrain’s comment?
      Why is it that the Liberals must always gravitate quickly to personal attacks? That was a rhetorical question, because I know the answer. Those lacking in facts have little recourse but personal attacks.

      • libertytrain

        Dave not sure what he is responding to? He mentioned some on here don’t treat our Vets well – I agreed – how peculiar. He must be confused. Too much Christmas cheer perhaps.

      • vicki

        Of course we depend on our fellow Americans to survive. And to do so they must be armed and trained in the use of arms. Since they will also depend on us it is our duty to ALSO be armed and trained in the use of arms. http://www.Frontsight.com.

        Imagine a population of 300million with 200million armed and trained individuals (the rest children and the assorted convict in prison). Such a force would be impossible to defeat.

  • CaptTurbo

    I suppose this is just ramping up to fill those FEMA camps.

  • Maynard

    I am a Vet. Thus I put my life on the line for these people and now I’m considered a threat to them and my country? I also have guns. That makes me a double threat? I disagree with the President. That makes me a three time “loser”? Where I come from, I am one of many that WILL stand up for GOD and COUNTRY AND DEFEND IT AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. GOD SAVE THE U.S.A.

    • Walt

      Thanks Maynard for your comments and your service. You may the very people that America will count on to save it from the communist hoards. We are inching slowly and gradually towards a socialist state at best or a communist state at worst. Close to 80 current members of Congress claim membership in the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America). It is the principle affiliate in the U.S. of the Socialist International (http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html). Although only 80 claim membership, I’m sure there are many more who are cryto-members, who dare not declare for fear of being booted out of office. The enemy is within our gates and working diligently towards their aims of “fundamentally transforming” our great country into their vision of “economic and social justice” like Cuba & North Korea. Stand fast my friend, we are a course for avery bumpy ride.

    • DaveH

      Thank you, Maynard.

    • vicki

      Thank you Maynard for your service. If you have not already you might consider at least keeping track of if not joining oathkeepers.org.

      Merry Christmas and may God have mercy on us all.

  • WickedPickle

    @Searcher.. Haven’t you figured it out yet? Didn’t Boner (the tp’s outspoken majority ruler) stipulate, “We will not cooperate with this president so long as he’s in office”.. Think he was speaking to the people? Look around, those in charge are doing exactly that.. Anyway:

    Sammo,

    You forgot to include the purchasing of all the formerly defunct donut shops in and around each precinct that gives them somewhere to go between passing out unfair traffic violations and beating on profiled minorities after their hogtied and secured.

  • gary Hench

    This administration is preparing to militarize local police enforcement so it will be simple for the Fed’s to come in and monopolize it. Put it under one boot…so to speak….Obama’s boot!

  • Michael

    Never met a cop that was good enough to shine my shoes. Law enforcement in general is America’s largest organized crime syndicate.

    • DaveH

      Government is simply a very large, very powerful organized Gang.

  • Searcher

    I have no problem with the cops “gearing up” within reason, for personal protection, however armored personnel carriers are a bit over the top. When they get huge federal grants though, what can you expect, they’re like kids in a candy store. Here in AZ I carry all the time, even at home, not because I want to, but because I can and because the number of wackos on the street and home invasions are increasing every day. Why? Because of lack of jobs and it is easier to steal or live on welfare than it is to try and find a job. 14+ million Americans out of work and the so-called political or financial elite are doing nothing about it. Not because they can’t but because they don’t want to, it’s better to take a Christmas vacation than enact legislation that will help their constituents, the people who put them in office.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/MrMrEinstein?feature=mhee Lee

    Well let’s see if they legalize drugs they would not have this problem.But a Boogie man has to be made.The war on drugs have become a war on U.S.citizens. Look at the Clinton Chronicles on youtube.Lets face it folks we were sold out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwV82J68Ixs

    • Mark in LA

      At the behest of Nancy “just say no” Reagan amped up the war on drugs and militarized it. Of course, his CIA was also bringing the drugs in to pay for the Contras – but whose keeping track. The asset forfeiture laws were put in place that caused the local agencies to jump on a tip before any real investigation to make sure a competing jusidiction didn’t get the spoils.

    • DaveH

      Here is an excellent comprehensive treatment of the Failed efforts at Drug Prohibition:
      http://mises.org/books/prohibition.pdf

      Let’s face it, Folks, the Drug Wars are just another excuse for Leaders to grow the Leviathan Government, and excuse away their violations of our Constitutional rights.

  • Bono

    When we allow ourselves to standby and watch our constitutional rights shredded and don’t do anything, what then does our police taking on the guise of a Nationl Police bother anyone. We have allowed the federal government with the excuse of national security and rampant terrorists behind every corner and under every stone to pry away our right to be armed and our right to our individuality and sovereignty as citizens of this nation. We need to cease our constant unwarranted fear of foreign powers and evil terrorists long enough to regain control of our government instead of giving our rights away. With all these new technologies from government grants comes control as a prerequiste for the equipment.

    Let’s be “AMERICANS” and determine our own destiny. Let’s wave the flag of freedom and stand for the principles that our Forefathers provide for us with their blood and sweat.

    We are the most powerful nation in the world let us not fear: fear itself.

    • Lost in Paradise

      Your post is exactly why they are gearing up. They can feel a revolution coming, and plan to stop it before it starts. My only hope is that it cannot be stopped, and liberty is returned to us .

  • bob wire

    I was once a peace officer and still today, I harbor more concern for my safety from police officers then I do criminals.

    What I hate most, is the inability to defend myself that the law places me in.

    Not the strapping buck I once was, as a man starts loosing muscle mass after 40 by percentage points. I’m found at some disadvantage and compromised. While I know how and have the will, the power and execution is not what it use to be, I need tools to keep the edge and stay on equal footing.

    Policemen will shoot you if they “THINK” you “MIGHT” be a threat to them if the circumstances are right.

    But that said, I do enjoy my age and the respected I’m offered for it by most people I come in contact with day to day. I wasn’t born old, it just happened. I see a little part of me in everyone that I met.

    • daniel

      Liked the post. It is the might and the furtive movement, and oops wrong address that has gotten people killed unnecessarily. In Vegas though a policeman unloaded 6 shots from an AR15 into a car that was immobilized killing the driver at close range. This was after the officer was informed that the police were going to use a beanbag to knock out a window then gas the inside of the car. Beanbag shotgun fired and so did the AR15.
      Actions like that really scare people when dealing with local law enforcement.

    • Lost in Paradise

      You must be hanging with all the correct people. I see mostly disrespect for older people in the U.S.

      • Joe H.

        lost,
        f you have been here any time at all, you probably saw it HERE!!!

  • cawmun cents

    Folks,hundreds of thousands of people just came back from a war.
    They need jobs.
    They learned how to be policemen over in Iraq.
    Now that they’ve been called home,is it any mystery why the police seem nore militarized?
    Wow!If you learn math,you can often add things together and find a quotient.
    Are you lost on the fact that the training in Iraq, would be a necessary ingredient to helping police here at home?
    Here we have a different way of doing things.
    We dont strap bombs to ourselves,in an effort to please God,and randomly mblow up folks.
    We do things the way our military can handle easily.
    Even if we were to result to the tactics used in the middle east,the police are now fully trained to deal with those situations.

    When they said that it would be necessary to lay off thousands of teachers,police,firefighters,to save monies which needed to be directed elsewhere,you bit on the hook.
    They didnt tell you that they would use those monies in an,effort to put the veterans of our latest wars,in positions of control.
    They will make the economy look as if it is improving,keep union workers satisfied by employing new members with new methods of training,(teachers,police,firefighters)will miraculously get their jobs back,it will just be those with military training who know how to follow orders.It will seem as if Obama’s plan was right for America all along.
    I cant believe none of you saw this coming.
    Why do you think that the money was borrowed by congrss and you never knew where it went?It went to the coming boom of jobs which is going to vault Obama into the history books.
    Wow!What a concept.Driving the economy via magical sudden growth.
    I am no economist,I am no soothsayer,I am no credible witness.
    But if I was a bettin’ man,I’d bet that I was right.
    -CC.

    • eddie47d

      I hate to blow your cover CC but Obama didn’t authorize those two wars and the military personal that have been trained mostly came from the previous administration. Okay we’ll give Obama a two and a half year credit out of these 10 year wars. Since 30% of troops returning have PTSD I’m not sure if all are fit for police service and might have to be deprogrammed for the sake of our civilian population.You should also be informed that most military personal who had jobs before being deployed in some of our previous wars were guaranteed their jobs back when returning.

      • cawmun cents

        As per usual,you have no idea of what I speak.For you eddie47d….nevermind.For everyone else.
        Cheers!-CC.

      • Lost in Paradise

        Eddie look up! See that yellow stream! Thats what I think of you.

      • eddie47d

        I thought that was the strip up your back,Lost!

      • http://naver Samurai

        He did send troops, not many, to Uganda, started fighting in Yemen, and started bombing Lybia without Congress or the Senare voting on it. He also ent troops from Iraq to Afghanistan. He is also sending drones and personnel into Pakistan. He also wants to send 15,000 Marines to Australia to pressure China on its presence in the South China Sea. Where are we going to get 15,000 spare Marines, I have no idea. Looks like Obama bin Laden has been busy doing his own things with our troops. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Mark in LA

        It was also reported that special forces were in Libya to train and aid the rebels. Just because they may not have fired a rifle doesn’t mean they weren’t combatants. We also had “advisors” in Vietnam. There is always a chance they will come under fire and have to defend themselves.

  • jopa

    Former Wal-Mart person;I can see by your first post why Wal-Mart fired you as a greeter at the door.You need anger management and the vast majority of police officials are probably some of the nicest people you could ever meet.Perhaps you fell down at your new job(Kool aid stand)and knocked yourself out.Then when you came around again there was a police officer standing over you.He was there to help, he didn’t push you down.

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS in Australia

    Your Law Enforcement agencies has become a business to be exploited by your weapon manufacturers to counter balance a population who have the right to bear arms..unfortunately your rights are also the rights of your criminals and your mentally insane who also has the right to use a gun at their whim when it suits them. So I sont believe you can complain about the better weapons that your police must have to protect themselves. You voters have permitted your politicians to pass so many minor silly laws to annoy the public so they can create extra work for their growing industries, the courts, your lawyers and your jail system….all with the voters permission…so you cant now complain about the cost and your inability to turn back the clock…Your servants have become your masters…pretty simple. I laugh when I see your police programs in Australia of police picking up yo0ung adults for daring to carry a bottle of beer in the street…3 serious officers rounding up young adults for all manner of minor matters, selling lemonade,…and annoying extreme religious groups because they are easier than looking for the serious offenders…like terrorists and other serious crimes.The personality of some police may make them unsuitable for the task, on the otherhand…who of you is going to risk their lives in your streets where everyone has a gun…so I dont blame police for being extra cautious…and I bet your soldiers are safer in war torn areas than in their own country where they dont know who their next enermy is going to pull out a gun and shoot them dead. Your all suffering under your own rights to bear arms…the rights to manufacture and sell arms to your criminals as well as everyone else including your mentally ill [one in five is mentally ill] and the rights of police to protect themselves from the Billions of guns in your homes and streets… tells a never ending story of insecurity in your streets…

    • jimmy the greek

      So says The one from down under that has a kangaroo for a girlfrend , and don’t drive on the right side of the road , and drink p!$$ water for beer .

      • libertytrain

        jimmy – you’re embarrassing yourself again.

      • Joe H.

        libertytrain,
        Yes, sometimes the truth DOES embarrass!!! I’m kinda tired of gillys trying to tell us what to do when he can’t get his OWN chit in order!!

      • Lost in Paradise

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO!

    • eddie47d

      Thanks Gilly for an outside perspective and yes indeed more Americans are killed every year right here than in any war zone.Even in 10 years of both wars.

      • Starvin Larry

        You are way off concerning firearms deaths…

        “Data recently released by the National Center for Health Statistics shows that in 2008, the number and per capita rate of firearm accident deaths fell to an all-time low. There were 592 firearm accident deaths (0.19 such accidents per 100,000 population) in 2008, as compared to 613 accidents (.20 per 100,000) in 2007. In 2008, the chance of a child dying in a firearm accident was roughly one in a million.

        Firearm accidents accounted for 0.5% of all accidental deaths; well below the percentages accounted for by motor vehicle accidents, falls, fires, poisonings, and several other more common types of mishaps.

        Firearm suicides rose in 2008 because total suicides rose, but the percentage of suicides accounted for by those misusing firearms remained steady, at just barely over half. This is down from about 60% during the 1980s and early 1990s. The firearm suicide rate remained at just under 6 per 100,000, as it has been every year from 1999 forward. Contrary to claims made recently by some gun control advocates, firearm suicides among children are extremely uncommon, and in 2008, fell to an all-time low.

        Firearm homicides (including self-defense, but excluding lawful shootings by police) declined in 2008. More recent data reported by the FBI, shows that criminal homicides declined in 2008, again in 2009, and again in 2010, to a 47-year low.”

        http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=7209

        Even thoug this comes from the NRA-they cite the sources for their stats.

      • eddie47d

        Important information Starvin but not relevant to the point being made. 31,244 gun deaths per year in US vs 4,683 in 10 years of two wars.

      • Joe H.

        don’t worry eddie, the big boys will come and protect you frum the mean guys wid the loud guns!!! NOT!!! I have a distinct feeling eddie, that you almost pizz your pants at the sound of a car backfiring!!! You and gilly both!!!

      • eddie47d

        Was that puke from your mouth or the other end. Time for a diaper change Joe?

      • vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “31,244 gun deaths per year in US vs 4,683 in 10 years of two wars.”

        Only 31 thousand guns died last year? I thought Obama’s administration destroyed a lot more. Do you have a cite for that?

      • Lost in Paradise

        Click!

    • Starvin Larry

      GILLYSROOMS

      The criminals and mentally insane do NOT have the right to keep and bear arms in the USA.
      Any felony conviction bars legal ownership of firearms,as does any judgement of mental problems.

      • Flashy

        Even if mentally insane or a prior felon..how long do you think it would take for such a person to purchase and lock and load? Just asking…I’d say a day, maybe two if it was a slow day and they had something else to do …

      • http://naver Samurai

        Maybe on the street and not a store, right? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Joe H.

        flashy,
        Are you THAT totally insane to think that will change if they outlaw guns??? THOSE will be the only people that will have guns!!!

      • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS in Australia

        Yes Joe H…its too late to remove guns from your society…because yes the the crims and the insane wont hand them back in to be destroyed…so your stuck with having heavily armed and jumpy trigger happy police who want to make sure they get home to their families after every shift. And yes I agree with Eddie47d and cawmun cents .your veterans need to be given preferential treatment with the type jobs at home that they will be good at on the streets or in back office jobs in intelligence gathering areas if they are not totally fit for outside work. Make them feel appreciated and needed at home…afterall all your free enterprise operators did not have to risk your life in foriegn lands did you? And if your printing presses have to continue printing some extra money for your vets…so be it… gee some of you people are too mean spirited against your own vets…

      • libertytrain

        Gilly – per your “gee some of you people are too mean spirited against your own vets…”
        Yes, there are a smattering still left from the 60′s that never progressed in their mentality – never matured, never actually grew up to become real men or women… – and we in the USA refer to those few, as the ultimate losers – usually live off or feed off of the working people (or their parents if still living) and have been since the 60′s.

      • DaveH

        Gilly,
        Statistics have shown repeatedly that violent crime has gone down with more guns in society. Perhaps you should do some real studying instead of buying into the emotional propaganda.
        Why else would State Governments be relenting in their gun control efforts?
        http://www.kc3.com/CCW_progress.htm
        The natural order of things is for Leaders to ban guns, as the banning of guns does indeed make the Leaders safer from a disgruntled populace. They don’t back off of gun control willingly.

      • DaveH

        Here, Gilly, is a personal story from one who has actually lived in the kind of society that you apparently aspire to:
        http://gunowners.org/wv06142009lm.htm

      • DaveH

        Notice that the violent crime rate has been falling steadily since about 1992. And that being in the face of increasing allowance by states of Concealed Carry (see chart I linked to above):
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

      • vicki

        Hmm. Checking the 2nd amendment. Nope I don’t see anything there about barring anyone from firearms ownership. If I take into account some of what is said by the founders it mostly said that free men can not be forbidden to possess arms.

        Thus if the felon is a convict they are not free and must not have arms. (How’s that working for the prison system?)

        If the ex-con is on the street then he/she is a free man and can not be forbidden to possess arms.

        If the ex-con is still a danger to society why is he/she walking the street?

    • Mark in LA

      The only peoblem with your thesis is that you assume that gun control is working somewhere. I remember reading that even in Britain that gun crime was up – even after all their bans due to smuggled guns. The bobbies were thinking of having some police armed.

      Of course, its politically incorrect to say this but, If Britain hadn’t let in all the third world trash, they wouldn’t need armed police. So maybe that old NRA saw is true about guns being less important than the people behind them.

    • DaveH

      I laugh at those who are so Ignorant as to believe banning guns will disarm people who have no respect for the law.
      I laugh at those who actually think an increase in guns actually results in an increase in crimes. It’s actually quite the opposite. You would know that, Gilly, if you read this book:
      http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/

  • Michael W. Morgan

    The Militarization of the Police is a danger to all of us. There is no question that power corrupts. I believe that Police should be limited to 10 years of service because the constant contact with the criminal and near criminal element of society cannot but jade the preception of the rest of the law abiding citizens. This results in everyone from parking and traffic offenders being treated as, and sometiime brutalized as though they are felons. We must recover control of our government from the federalists that want to nationalize everything. The next step in this march toward facism is the incitement of the masses (occupy Wall Street) to violence and “deputization” of local police by the federal government put down the civil unrest that they, the Obama administration incite. Case in point: the Chief Chicago Thug, Rahm Emmauel, has already trampled the civil rights of potential protesters of the G8 and NATO summit.

    • cawmun cents

      I guess that the hundreds of thousands of trained military personnel,and heavily armored vehicles,will put a dampre on any plans to avoid subjugation,huh?
      Too bad that the protesters never saw it coming.
      But then,those who control their reins,didnt want them to see the awful truth.They were being led to the slaughteryard all along.
      How do you know who to arrest when it comes time for a change?
      You let the hoi palloi run amok,for a time and sort out the rest via electronic surveillance.
      Yes I know that they will come for me too.
      I am destined for the slaughteryard as well.
      I never did well with authority figures.
      But there is good news.
      Thankfully it doesnt come from me.
      But this time of year is an indication of that news.
      There will be those who live to see the coming world gubment.
      There will be those who remember the coming storm and wish they had perished in it.
      There will be those who carry on in the name of the world collective.
      But it wont be me.
      Thank God,for that fact.
      Sometimes living is worse than dying.
      I only hope that I can be an example to some.Maybe effect someones perspective slightly and help them grow a little.
      There remains no earthly reason for me to be here otherwise.
      I am no existentialist.
      Let the chips fall where they may.To haved died and lived is a tale for another day.
      Unitl then,may all your roads lead to everlasting life.
      The only true fulfillment of having lived.
      -CC.

  • CP

    Mr. Marshall, actually, what MOST people asked for is something far diffferent than what we now have. They asked for a government that would cooperate inside itself so we wouldn’t be facing total shutdowns or loss of our credit ratings because the two sides REFUSED to agree. Of course, it is hard to reach an agreement that is acceptable to both sides when one side has declared it will do nothing that might make the other side look good. This included taking us right to the wire, and a bit past, on extending the debt limit, which should have been handled two months or more before it became an issue. When one side says no how no way are we allowing it to be raised, and to the devil with the consequences, all sorts of bad things can and do happen, including at least one rating agency reducing the country’s credit rating. This is NOT what was asked for, nor what was deserved, even by the Tea Party voters.

    • Joe H.

      CP,
      Let’s face it, the people that voted for Abummer did so without looking into his past, and by listening to all his pretty promises that they SHOULD have known he could only deliver on if the houses LET him!!! They were GREEDY to the point that all they could hear was I promise FREEBIES!!!! Then they pulled that fateful lever!!! Now though, they know they were duped and there are a great many of them that are pizzed off and ready to pull the other lever…. To flush him down the drain!!!

    • DaveH

      Spare us, CP. Have you ever seen a Democrat propose a cutback on Spending? How do Conservatives control the Spending without “just saying NO”?
      Liberals’ idea of Compromise — They propose a $Trillion of extra spending and expect to settle at just $500 Billion spending. The public is waking to that reality. It’s about time.

      • DaveH

        There are two kinds of Liberals.
        Those who are in Leadership positions, benefit directly from their Power, and thus propagandize their followers with sweet-sounding, illogical, fact-less statements.
        And those who have the rings firmly in their noses since sweet-sounding lies are easier to swallow than logical cold hard facts.

    • vicki

      They voted for hope and change. They got 1 of 2. Not bad in compromise circles. Oh wait. Not the change they voted for? Guess they really should have listened when Obama told them what change he had in mind.

      He gave them the change HE was promising.

  • daniel

    This story follows the line of if you give a guy a new toy he will want to play with it. The police being the guy obviously. While the “terrorist” threat may be real I think that it is overused. I also believe that it is abused as well. Ogden Utah needing a survelliance blimp? Why!!
    Flashy, take your meds. Your posts and replies are a bit on the slanted side to the point that they are too easily dismissed. I have seen more violence and read more violence from lefties than with wing groups. So stop with the straw men.
    If you want to look at what people fear as far as police power goes look no further than that entertainment capital of the world Las Vegas. Yessir here we have the police killing unarmed vets. Police killings have been on the upswing and so far this year it is up to twelve. Not to worry though every coroners inquest justifies the homicide. Of course every time the public tries to change the system investigating police killings the police UNION fights it every turn. The result may be number thirteen before the year is up.
    Any wonder as to why there is a lack of trust of the police in getting more and powerful equipment and the usage of it?

    • jimmy the greek

      YOUR RIGHT !

  • Bob Marshall

    I would like to thank all the ignorant voters who voted for Obama.” If we expect to be free and ignorant in a state of civilization, we expect what never was and never will be…if we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every citizen to be informed.” Thomas Jefferson. Since Obama received 97% of the black vote i don’t believe even knowing that he had ties with George Soros, Bill Ayers, Weatherman terrorist group, Socialist ,Communist and other extremist groups would have made any difference. Millions failed with the responsibility of being informed. ” Beware false knowledge is more dangerous than ignorance.” George Bernard Shaw.Ingorance,denial and just plain disinterest is why we are becoming a Socialist and police state. Nov. 05. 2008 exit polls showed 74% Latinos voted for Obama, 70% married women, mothers and non-mother voted for Obama and age group for 18-24 with 68%. The majority of America voters asked for the type of country and government we have today.

    • Walt

      These statistics reveal the fact that the media, who bear the responsibility to inform the public, failed miserably to investigate Obama on his past associations and extreme leftist ideology. Journalism must maintain itself above partisanship and retain its duty as protectors and disseminators of truth, regardless on who the chips may fall. Failing to do its duty, it becomes the mouthpiece of tyrants and the political and economic elites.

      • Flashy

        LOL…Festivus humor for the day ! thanx for the laughs Walt !

      • Walt

        He who laughs last….laughs best Flashy! All this discord will sadly eventually lead to a social chaos and street battles between Patriots and those determined to turn this country into another failed communist state. I would suggest you research the Spanish Civil War as an example of how it turned out for those socialists and anarchists who attempted to “fundamentally transform” their country.

        Not well at all…Franco was not kind to those who murdered close to 8,000 priests and nuns and countless “rich capitalists”. He stopped their laughter and snarky remarks real quick.

        But hey….enjoy your fun while you can.

      • Flashy

        Walt..when you defined the line between “Patriots” (meaning those that think as you approve), and “them (meaning the vast majority), then used BS wording implying use of force because what you see as correct wasn’t what the vast majority deemed as such… you defined the problem right there.

        You ever stop to think that maybe you are the one who is wrong and people view you as wacked because you? Yet you continue to insist your point of view is correct and darn it, you’ll resort to tearing this Nation apart, generate even more discord if you can, and use violence to prove it?

        Violence is the refuge for the incompetent.

      • eddie47d

        Franco was not well liked for his fascist tactics either . He was scorned by much of the world for his draconian polices and the lack of Liberties in Spain. When he died Spain flourished.

      • Joe H.

        Walt,
        the biggest joke here this MONTH is flashy or eddie trying to tell ANYBODY why people look at them as whakked!!! eddie and Flashy are two of the most unencumbered with grey matter on this site!!!

      • eddie47d

        Uncalled for again Joe but we never expect anything less from you.

      • eddie47d

        That is odd Walt;I suppose you supported the coordinated attacks against the OWS protesters. I’ve noticed for several years the the right wingers love to see heads bashed in. They love “law and order” even if they have to sacrifice Liberty to do it. What happens to other persons is not their concern and as long as they feel safe in their homes. Free Speech is on the line and OWS protesters are being arrested and now forced to go to re-education camps in Los Angeles. Those arrested are mandated to pay $395.00 to go to free speech classes. They know exactly what free speech is so welcome to another element of our growing police state gulag.

      • Walt

        Flashy states: “Violence is the refuge for the incompetent”

        I guess that’s why the OWS groups are acting out in violence everywhere. Again, I sincerely ask you both explore the “violence” that was done by the socialists in Spain in the summer of 1936, long before Franc was called on to restore Spain. Private factories and farms were confiscated by violence of the leftists, village priests and nuns were shot in the streets by the thousands.

        Any serious student of history or honest academic will confirm that Franco was NOT a Facist, unlike Hitler or Mussolini. His only goal was to save Spain from takeover by the communists, who were openly sponsored by Stalin. The Socialist government emptied the Spanish treasury and sent a ship full of gold to Russia in exchange for arms in an attempt to secure the first communist state in Western Europe.

        Read the historical facts, please don’t just accept the revisionist dribble that has been pumped into your brain pans by supporters of those who financed the Lincoln Brigade, and today continue to support similar leftist causes.

        Americans will not sit quietly and allow these union thugs and leftist haters to destroy America. While I am not a so-called Tea Partier, I do recognize the stark difference between their peaceful rallies and the trashy uneducated weirdos that support the OWS.

      • http://naver sook young

        Thank you Walt. It seems some people don’t really know history. I’m not a historian, but my husband is a historian. Sometimes we shouldn’t take what the liberals on this site say seriously. Thank you and Merry Christmas.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

      • Joe H.

        eddie,
        you mean like the heads busted by the union heads right before the last presidential election??? i believe there was one instance where they busted up a guy in a wheelchair???

      • http://naver sook young

        Talk about strong arm tactics. I guess the police have nothing on unions. I forgot that many police departments also have unions. Will they use this equipment on people if instructed by their union bosses to do so? Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

      • Mark in LA

        Eddie you know damn well that the attacks on free speech have come mainly from the left in the form of “hate speech” laws that everybody on the left is cheering on and hoping we follow Europe’s lead and actually put people in jail for it. The various forms of coerced reeducation have always come from the left whether it is diversity indoctrination classes made mandatory for college freshmen or the same type of crap being forced down corporations or local governments throats to get the government off their backs in some consent decree.

      • eddie47d

        If you truly want to be civil and don’t endorse hate speech then why do some of you especially the Glenn Beck’s use it all the time?

      • vicki

        I have watched several Tea Party protests. I have watched several OWS protests. The most obvious differences include

        Tea party. – got permits and paid fees.
        OWS – no permits. paid nothing but got a lot of “donations”

        Tea party. – Cleaned up after their protest and went home.
        OWS – Made a mess of their area and then squatted in same.

        Tea party – didn’t cause the locals to feel the need for riot police
        OWS – did

        Tea party Mostly comprised of “evil” right wing, gun loving,
        small government types
        OWS Mostly comprised of “good” left wing, gun hating,
        big government types.

        Stalin (or was it Lenin) had a name for the OWS types too.

      • http://google gary gerke

        You are 100% correct! The main stream media which is a bought and paid for arm of the Socialist conspiracy that is hell bent on a communistic country of sheeples and lemmings!

      • bob wire

        I guess you didn’t get the memo?

      • Flashy

        i just received mine bob. The one warning about a Socialist coming on Sunday to indoctrinate our kids? Calling himself Santa Claus? It’s l;abeled MSM propaganda…right?

        So, according to the memo, this guy who has no visible job, has a huge beard, laughs all the time, wears red and black boots, and raises deer but not to eat…also is indicted because

        . He and all of his elves live in an isolated collective compound located somewhere in the North Pole.
        2. All of his elves slave year round working for little or no pay.
        3. Santa and his elves do not own the homes they live in, nor do they own the facilities where they work. The collective does.
        4. Each year, the Santa collective masses a huge amount of wealth in the form of toys and redistributes it to “poor” toyless children around the world.
        5. Worse yet, only the “good” children who support Santa’s form of “government” get toys. Everyone else gets lumps of coals.

        My gosh! Listen! you can hear TPers in the background …

        down with santa
        down with santa
        he’s a tool of the msm against the patriots of america !

      • http://naver sook young

        Now that was very immature HFlashman. The ones that want to do away with anything being Christmas would be the marxists and socialists. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

      • eddie47d

        Gary; Those 5% of militias that were mentioned aren’t only dangerous but extremely dangerous to Liberty,equality and justice in the USA.They are much more active and stirring up trouble than any fringe group on the left. They would be the ring leaders for the Fascist government that you imply.

      • Dennis48e

        And, as I said above we only need be concerned with the 5% which the FBI is and they keep a close watch on them.

      • Joe H.

        eddie,
        between 1988 and 1998 74% of the violence from extremist groups came from LEFTIST groups!!! same site as before,
        http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/left.pdf
        just for you eddie, I’m 4 up on you for the last month!!

      • Mark in LA

        Eddie what proof do you have that any of them are violent. Many are just wannabes who after target practice get drunk and mouth off trying to one-up each other. Someone with a drug conviction needing some deal working for the FBI tries to get them to do something or say something. Mostly they sober up and do nothing. Meanwhile the FBI informat who is really the cause of all the stupid comments records this and the federal government takes this nonsese to court and makes a big splash in the papers – such as that Hutaree militia that you don’t hear anything about anymore.

        The people that are scary are the drug related gangs not these wannabees in these militias.

      • eddie47d

        I’ve brought them up several times Mark. How many times do I have to repeat it?

      • eddie47d

        You aren’t up on anything Joe. If you want to bring the world into the conversation then let’s go to Argentina when the right wing Fascists killed thousands. Over 30,000 more were kidnapped and tortured and then killed. If you want to bring up right wing terrorists in the USA then bring it on. I can even leave it to the last 10-15 years.

      • vicki

        Eddie47d makes a common logic fallacy argument by saying:
        “..right wing Fascist..”

        The key word there is fascist. As in fascism.
        “often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
        2
        : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control ”
        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

        Nothing there requiring right (or left wing). So eddie is trying to smear the people of the “right” wing by attaching the adj right wing to the noun “fascist”.

        Let us look instead at what they want
        Right wing – smaller government. Fewer regulations
        Left wing – bigger government. More regulations

        (assumes that these 2 wings actually believe that)

        Which is closer to Fascism?

      • DaveH

        Walt says “Journalism must maintain itself above partisanship and retain its duty as protectors and disseminators of truth, regardless on who the chips may fall”.
        While that is indeed a noble goal, they haven’t (for the most part) adhered to those Principles for a very long time (if ever).

      • DaveH

        Go here, Walt, if you really want truth — mises.org.

        Also, cato.org, reason.org, and lewrockwell.com.

        And Bob Livingston of course.

      • Walt

        Quite true about the media not being independent for a very long time.
        Unfortunately, the days of the local publisher are mostly gone, most newspapers, TV networks and magazines are owned by a small group of individuals and families that are decidedly leftist. They are intergrated with financial interests and in some cases with foreign financial interests that openly seek to weaken and eventually destroy our country.

    • bob wire

      You are most welcome Mr. Marshall. You are going to just love the next four years! Glad we could help you out there with your chronic anal retention. And keep tuning into Fox for the latest in update and progress reports. Some of your friends from the VFW hall might make the 6 o:clock news.

      • Joe H.

        yeah, bob, but those guys from the VFW will make the news by supporting R.Paul!!! And YOUR boosum buddy Abummer, that you “waited for so long” will be GONE!!!

  • Tommie

    “Law enforcement officials in places like Fargo say that despite the fact that crime rates do not appear to be on the rise, concerns over terrorism and some RIGHT-WING MILITIAS and white supremacists have been long-standing threats.

    No concerns about LEFT-WING MILITIAS !!! NO Wait, that would be OUR GOVERNMENT !!! How foolish of me.

    • Flashy

      Tommie…most people can cite right wing extremist groups by the nadful. Do a Search fuinction on the ‘net and you have pages of ‘em. Can you name any “left wing extremist” groups? There have been some. The Weathermen, SDS, ummmmm not many. And i cannot recall any who espoused hate, fear, bogeymen, violence, “keeping powder dry” etc.

      Seems the Moderates and Liberals see voting, negotiating, working within the sytem to reach common consensus, the obligations of society to the People and to people. Your average profile of a right wing extremist group is violence and intimidation to reach what they perceive as the correct solution…even if they lose at the ballot box and against the opinions of the vast majority.

      • former walmart person

        The New Black Panthar Party wants to throw all craker babies into the ovens. They seem like a left wing group. Members of OWS (not all) have called for violence, and “throwing M. cocktails through a Macy’s”. There are plenty of calls for violence from all sides. the key is action. How many actual incidents of right wing violence are there? Oklahoma city? How many icidents of left wing violence? Weather underground? How many incidents of AlQuida violence? Ok, now we are talking. Our governmnet should be focused on Al Quieda and leave the various political groups alone.

      • Flashy

        The “New Black Panther party’…ya nmean all two of them? OWS inciting violent acts? Oh wow…y’all have never been to the 99%er protests if you claim that one.

        Do yurself a favor before digging deeper misclaiming the lack of right wing violence and calls for violence. Use your search engine. The entire ‘edge” of the right wing extremist is the threat of violence. It’s the very signature of the far right to have that edge of resurrection and violence if their “way’ is not approved as the correct way.

        “Keep your powder dry” ?

      • eddie47d

        That story about the NBP in Philadelphia is smelling like last years sock. If folks would put as much effort in exposing the militias they would be shocked and abhorred. Maybe they wouldn’t look at them as part of their Sunday School revival class.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        According to the FBI something like 95% of the militia groups are just good ol boys who like to get together once a month do a little target practice and shoot the bull. Only 5% or less are considered to be any kind of a threat by the FBI and they try to keep a close watch on those.

      • Jay

        Flashy, in the past, American politics was defined by a Left/Right dynamic. It was Liberals versus Conservatives on a variety of issues. Pro-Life versus Pro-Choice, Tax Cuts vs. More Spending, Pro-War vs Peaceniks, Environmental Protections vs. Economic Growth, Pro-Union vs. Union-Free, Gay Marriage vs. Family Values, School Choice vs. Public Schools, Regulation vs. Free Markets.

        What you don’t seem to realize is that we have moved past the old Left Right paradigm. We now live in an era defined by increasing Corporate influence and authority over the individual.

        These two “interest groups” have been on a headlong collision course for decades, which came to a head with the financial collapse and bailouts.

        Where there is massive concentrations of wealth and influence, there will be abuse of power.  The Individual has been supplanted in the political process nearly entirely by corporate money, legislative influence, campaign contributions, even free speech rights.

        You may not find this be an impressive insight, but it is surely an overlooked one, you included. It is now an Individual vs. Corporate debate – and we, American citizens, are losing.

      • Flashy

        Jay…I’ve been wrting that for some time. try writing it as a standard here on this blog. You’ll soon be added to the list of ‘socialists’ …

      • bob wire

        No Kidding Flash. But you know, since I’ve been here, there has been a slight “shift”, I think the message is getting through to some of them. They are beginning to see through Ruppert Murdocks machine. The flaws in the “programing” is becoming more evident as we see the process of elimination and logical reasoning and deduction at work over time.

        The wizard behind the curtain is beginning to coming into focus.

        We are demand a “FAIR DEAL” nothing more, and nothing less will do.

      • George E

        Bob,

        What’s “fair?” This is a term used a lot by liberals, but is rarely defined. Everyone wants fairness, until it’s defined. It seems to me that it usually means forcing someone else to do something for us. It rarely means having the user of the term do anything himself, other than possibly collecting a check from the government paid for by the other guy. Is that “fair?”

      • vicki

        I see from time to time lots of complaints from liberals such as flashy, Eddie, BobWire about how we are being more and more controlled by the “corporate” elite. Then they demand more laws. Somehow they can not see how corporations can’t control us without the power of government.

        It is the expanding government working with some corporations that work to remove our freedoms and control us. Thus you see it is, as Reagan warned (and Eisenhower before him), the government at the center of the problem.

        Yet liberals constantly fall into the trap and demand more laws. More regulation. More government.

      • http://google gary gerke

        You are out in la la land, you left wing Marxists have shedded the constitution and are systematicly fragmenting our civil liberties in the name of national security. Our country is fast becoming a facist police state which will turn into national martial law in the not to distant future, when that happens, you will look to the real patriots for your salvation.

      • bob wire

        You refer to the George W Bush administration don’t you?

        Well, ~ Marxist is a little over the top.

      • Dennis48e

        Under Bush we got the un-patriot act under obama we got a renewed and expanded un-patriot act. If Bush is guilty then obama is doubly so.

      • http://naver sook young

        At least with President Bush we had no gun running by our government, no patrol agents being killed, Hillery wasn’t trying to have us turn over our guns to the U.N., and many other things. Please understand and see that the current administration is just as guilty, maybe more so, in what you are saying. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

      • Stephen

        Sounds the same as the liberals in the unions. If they don’t get their way, they resort to violence.

      • Lost in Paradise

        Personally I think all you lefties are from LA LA LAND! TOO much Cool Aid?

      • Joe H.

        Flashy,
        Left wing terrorists? black Panthers,SDS, Brotherhood of silence,M19CO,United freedom front,BLA,Republic of new Afrika, NALF, J18, G8, just to name a few in the Us!!!The new Republic Of Afrika is a real interesting one, BTW. they want to form a new country in the south eastern part of the United States!!! Good people these!!!
        http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/left.pdf
        check it out. in case eddie is here, thats three sites I’ve listed this week eddie. how many for YOU???

      • DaveH

        Flashy, spare us you BS. If they want Bigger Government, they are simply Liberals. True Conservatives expect Government to abide by the Constitution.
        And I challenge you to produce videos of your stated claims of violence.
        Here are some of mine:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaVahxDhWfM

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        And another:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7nH4ubAL1s

        The lesson here? What a web we weave when we first spoil people with other peoples’ money.

      • DaveH

        No, Flashy. The Liberals are working towards Tyranny of the Majority by the Minority. Even Tyranny of the Minority by the Majority is wrong and that’s why our Founders set this country up as a Republic rather than a Democracy. They were well-read and knew that Democracy tended towards Mob Rule directed by the Leader Propagandists.

    • jimmy the greek

      Sounds to me like the right wing white folks got them quaking in there jackboots .

      • MJ

        So jimmy.. you’ve opened to pandoras box, of inconsistencies leading to the paramilitary extreme and the money

        why is the PR from the ND city saying that people there are afraid of the KKK and “white supremacists”? That’s a clue as to who’s PULLING THE STRINGS or WHO’S PAYING THE MONEY, which may not be the same. One local, the other fed.

        The locals may have some State VS Fed idea in some places (like AZ & UT), but see the money comes from DC which is prone at the moment to favor ‘black’ as in control of purse strings, the locals write their grant app and LATER their explanation to the public as bogeyman for black ideas.

        The idea of terrorists would fit that money scheme as well and then satisfy public need to see them to be “doing something” for political PR to scared voters seeing turmoil monetarily, protests, corruption.

        The idea that the police REAL use is AGAINST LOCAL PEOPLE is separate. Unrest is raising management fears. Citizen animosity toward govt and taxes is stirring the bureaucrats to clamp down of anyone who is ‘different’ with knee-jerk idiocy. Taking away people’s children because CPS wants to drug the child and the parents refuse, call the swat team. Attack amish dairy farmers for selling raw milk. You name it

        Too many local laws/rules to invade home and life open tyrants crazy minds to control mania. That’s where these $300k parade floats and picnic ornaments get to be very scary. Freedom-Citizens are not in control locally

        A bout of freedom-citizens suing the local govt bureaucrats (Pro Se so its affordable and unhandicapped by lawyer cronyism) would maybe re-establish some respect for citizen’s rights Let’s go for it.

        Head off the idea that citizens are not lawful and righteous. Individuals only though, not ‘groups’ to be played to the public as secret terrorists. There should be people around who would be thinking of such a move since bureaucrat-tyrant & crony corruption are so all around. Patriot duty.

  • former walmart person

    Your average police man is a coward. They love smashing up metally slow people, little girl lemonaide stands, and grandmas who can barely stand up. They are noticeablly absent in taking on the real criminals such as members of congress, crazy beurocrats, illegal alien criminals, and major corporation CEOs who finace the murder of Africans through secret channels.

    When the American people get all rallied up and actually fight back some, such as during the LA riots and after hurricane Katrina, the military has to show up with a fresh change of diapers for the police who used to look so manly in their riot gear. If the American people start showing a little more bite for their freedoms, the coppers will cower in fear.

    • JB

      NUTS ! ! !
      Your IQ is on display, you sure you want that ? ?

      • DaveH

        That’s the second personal attack, JB. Do you have anything real to say?

    • bob wire

      My guess is, you are a “former” employee for good reason.

      I’m vexed that city PD’s all over this nation are arming up so heavily while their jobs are to maintain the peace of a civilian population with a common garden variety criminal element always present.

      This is not policemen decision but leadership and taxing authority that is willing to pay for it.

      We speak of taking back the Fed, we have yet to take back our local governments and their flamboyant spending practices.

      But I can assure you SIR, policemen may be many things but cowards they are not.

      • eddie47d

        Depends on what you mean by “are not cowards”. Shooting innocent homeowners and killing them when they bust into the wrong house. Beating people when they aren’t even resisting arrest.How about the cowardly act of pepper spraying passive protesters. Maybe they are practicing to be like the Syrian police.

      • bob wire

        hmm? ~ That is not cowardly or being a coward ~ that being unprofessional and a dumb a$$.

        “Coward” does not carry a lot of different meanings like some words do.

        “a person who lacks courage in facing danger, difficulty, opposition, pain, etc.; a timid or easily intimidated person. adjective. 2. lacking courage; very fearful”

        A peace officer faces danger for a living and never sure if he will return home. It’s a hard thing to live with, and hell on spouses.

        Farther complicated in that a good police officer has to think like a criminal. This is a burden to carry and the main reason I was never very good at it.

        This suiting out like some gd Niju Turtle is a little over the top unless they plan to take on a small well armed force.

        The question would be, “Where is that threat?”

      • http://naver sook young

        Sorry Eddie,but you seem to be the person spreading fear on this site. Though things like this have happened, like Rodney King, but they are very few and far between. Most officers are professional and do no such things. Also, if they do such things, aren’t they usually suspended, fired, tried, and maybe placed in prison? Weren’t all the officers in the Rodney King event fired, put in prison, or suspended? Why do you talk so bad about the police? Only someone that is very ignorant would not want law and order. Did you have one of these experiences with the police Eddie? Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife o the Samurai

      • Flashy

        There was a very good, open and well written, article in the NYTs titled “Why is the NYPD after me?” It deals with the perspective of a minority and dealing with the police. I suggest Sook Young, you look it up.

        It truly is educational. No left or right political bend…

      • eddie47d

        Police almost never get fired for inappropriate indiscretions.Denver has had a few of those cases where the wrong person is killed and where the cops assault someone.This one young man walked into a women bathroom to pee and the bouncer called the police. The guy walked out of the bar and the police beat the crap out of him. It’s all on video. The victim never assaulted anyone and the police were not disciplined for 2 years . Then they were fired …then reinstated with pay. Another time they shot two young men leaving a bar. These men didn’t want to fight someone in a bar and left to go home (right thing to do). The police filled their vehicle full of holes killing one and injuring the other. That cost the city $850,000 and the police stayed on the job with no loss. Another time the police climbed into a persons bedroom window (wrong room) and this man was laying naked on his bed (hot day). He had no weapon and the police killed him even though he had no weapon. Same thing happened the year before when the police(Swat) broke down the wrong door in this hotel and killed the wrong man.No one was fired. The police stopped this teenager who had a broken tail light and shot him sitting in his car. This was at a busy intersection and the kid was mentally slow but had no weapon. These cops saw a teenager (16)drinking in his car and went to check it out. The kid ran and the cops caught him and beat the crap out of him.They stomped on him and broke his back and damaged his spleen. That cost the city $950,000. The cops were fired but not because of the beating but because of lying to their officials and then turning on each other (blaming each other). Plenty of cops still think it is the wild west.

      • http://naver Samurai

        I understand what you said Ed and Flashman. I asked Sook Young to look up the article Flashman posted, but sorry Ed, we do have police fired for doing wrong things. We had an officer or two fired his year, due to the number of accidents they had while driving their squad cars. Though no one was injured or killed, but they were still let go. We aslo had an officer pur on 2 weeks unpaid leave for lying. They aren’t big events, but this shows that sometimesthey are punished. The Denver PD, I have no idea about, ergo I cannot say anything about them. I remember the Colorado Springs PD being kind of rough with the soldiers at Fort Carson from 1991 – 1993. See, Sook Young helped me keep my tongue in check and even called you by your names. This is my Cristmas present to you both. Merr Christmas.
        Keep Christ in Christmas. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • DaveH

        Wow, Eddie, correcting a fellow Liberal? I’m impressed. Maybe there’s hope for you after all.

    • Jyrine

      What planet are you from? Cops live to ‘gear up’. You better wake up before thi sinister military-police connection makes it’s real intentions known. It smacks of POLICE STATE. I and the people in the know are very concerned. Do some research.

      • bob wire

        Some do, you are correct. That Federal Waco bunch got their ticket punched for it too.

        There was a time when a Sheriff would just make a phone call.

        “Mr. Korish, this is your county sheriff, Don Jackson. There has been some things brought to my attention that greatly concerns me and I’m not at liberty to ignore it”. “Can you come in and talk to me and clear up this matter before things get out of control and we have federal agents involved in a local matter?” “When might I expect you Sir.? ”

        Now that’s the way to confront a citizen and kick off a legal investigation that has been on going. Have someone watching the house for any movement after the call.

        But that is not what they did. They suited up on a early Sunday morning like it was some duck hunt and brought some of their office women along to impress. They was going to show the girls how they could kick a$$.

        all EGO! and righteousness

      • Joe H.

        bob,
        Perhaps you overlooked the fact that koresh and company were heavily ARMED??? While I don’t agree with the way it went down, just getting on the phone would not have worked with him, or he would have surrendered before all those children burned to death! I don’t know about you bob, but I wouldn’t try to arrest a man that has a gun with a slingshot!!! but then, you?……….

      • DaveH

        I never thought I’d be saying this, Joe, but Bob is correct. Read this account of Waco:
        http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa395.pdf

      • DaveH

        Here is a Video talking about some of the many discrepancies of the Government Version:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iCfvhl9NXw&feature=related

        Note that it is split into 3 videos. But it shouldn’t be hard to find the other 2.

      • vicki

        Joe H. says:
        “bob,
        Perhaps you overlooked the fact that koresh and company were heavily ARMED??? ”

        Heavily armed? Ignoring for the moment that the 2nd does not specify a count of how many arms lets look at the numbers.

        Estimated number of people in the home. ~100 men, women, children.
        Estimated number of guns in the home. ~300

        Thats 3 guns for every person. Keep in mind this is a location with a home based business buying and selling firearms

        Now what is the average number of guns for a person in texas? 2 per person.
        http://texaslesstraveled.com/gunrights.htm

        What is the average number of guns in a gun-store? Hundereds.
        Assuming 10 employees that works out to more than 10 per person.

        The home was also a gun store AND the shop of 1 or more gun-smiths.

        By any standard they were NOT heavilly armed. There just happened to be a bunch of them in one location that the government didn’t like.

        Evidence from the time includes multiple cases of Mr Koresh co-operating fully with the local sheriff. A military style no-knock warrant service was un-called for.

        If anything the events at Waco are proof of the assertion by the OP that we have fallen way way into the Police State mentality that we where warned about by our parents, grandparents, WWII, and our founding fathers.

  • former walmart person

    Now that we have the NDA passed, the military should indefinetely detain members of congress, who are far more “terroristic” than Jack and Jill down the street.

  • s c

    Some people are SO predictable. We get stuck with a corrupt and criminal administration, and some police view citizens as potential terrorists. It’s just about enough to think that ‘some’ people couldn’t find a job in a better field than law enforcement.
    Common sense says that if police don’t act like closet stormtroopers, there’s no reason to view them that way. If they do act ‘that way,’ then let the chips fall where they may. Police of America, you need to make a decision.
    If you expect help from the people, don’t treat us like snot-nosed punks who never learned up from down. That way, we won’t have any reason to lump you in with the scum pool back in Washington. Is that not fair?
    By the way, this is America. This isn’t Russia or China – just in case you forgot. Your memory doesn’t seem to be functioning very well.

    • former walmart person

      I agree. Police and military are the actual implements of destruction and death. Politicians and commerical and banking elitists can’t be bothered from their nightly cocktail parties. These peeps haven’t known a day of sacrifice in their lives. Crazy how a bunch of pot bellied, old cowards who happen to be really rich can control everything.

      • eddie47d

        Thank you Patriot Act and the governance of fear.

      • Dennis48e

        Thank you obama for renewing and expanding the un-patriot act.

      • http://naver sook young

        Well said and very true. Maybe tey may need this equipment since Eric Holder and Obama sold guns to the Mexicans. Thank you and Merry Christmas.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

      • Joe H.

        wouldn’t it be something if when they decide to declare martial law,the police used this equipment against the government??? Especially after THEY bought it???

      • http://naver sook young

        That would be very interesting Joe H. Thank you and Merry Christmas.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

      • DaveH

        And which President most recently renewed the Patriot Act?
        I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume that Eddie never once protested that signing.

      • Dennis48e

        And I expect you would be correct DaveH.

      • http://GodHelp Holy Terror

        This seem to be the only site I can vent against the government and the police without creating more enemies. My faith have taken me too deep and now that I know that we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against rulers and principalities in high places. I realize that our government hangs over our head with the satelittes and every demonic force creating hell on earth. I thought it was terrible to blame God for everything, but now the government is offended when you say anything about them and they try to shut you up when they know it’s the truth and they’re all entities of evil.

    • Flashy

      SC..wasn’t it just yesterday you were in support of local Sheriff’s confronting state and federal enforcement and agencies, refusing to cooperate and at times being hostile to, policies which were propsoed for the good of the public? In other words, taking the law into their own hands? Wasn’t it you yesterday who supported armed intimidation of elected officals carrying out their duties instead of going back to the ballot box? Wasn’t it you who supported a tax evader in his quest to bum off the system?

      So when you state that police should not act as “storm troopers” … are you not decrying the very voice of support you gave yesterday cheering on police acting on their own and not within the duties and obligations of the law?

      Ironic that the very cries from the Moderates and liberals from 10 years ago, cries which were denigrated and folks excorcized from the voice of debate, should be the very same issues today that the extreme right is now in support of. i.e. stuffing rights to privacy, protections from the state usurping rights.

      • former walmart person

        If elitists take the law into their own hands, what recourse do we have? Obeying the law is increasingly becomming more and more evil. If there was a law on the books to immediately capture a toddler and throw him or her alive into an oven, would you follow this law? An extreme case, but have I made my point?

      • JB

        Former ? ? ? ? ? ?

      • DaveH

        What kind of Bigotry was that? Do you think, JB, that Walmart employees are inferior to you?

      • jimmy the greek

        If it were in the country illegally , why not ? that would keep it from breeding more of them . LOL

      • Joe H.

        jimmy,
        you are one sick puppy!!! A toddler or a five year old can not restrict its parents from illegally entering the country! However, after they turn 18 and have say over their life, they can get the hell out and try to come here LEGALLY!! SENLOI MENOI!!!

      • s c

        f, isn’t it YOU who puts no effort into making any sense? Isn’t it YOU who’s been on drugs for decades? Isn’t it YOU who made devolution your #1 goal?
        WTF are you ranting about?
        You are a PRIME EXAMPLE of why it makes no sense to try and communicate with an effing UTOPIAN. You never learned English, yet somehow I’m supposed to think you know how pour piss out of a boot. Whiz off, you Uncle Scam-loving twit. Even ‘e’ makes more sense than you do.

      • lastmanstanding

        thank you s c…very well said.

      • eddie47d

        Don’t worry Flashy SC can’t remember what she says from one day to the next and I haven’t seen a comment yet from here that isn’t garbled. Maybe you could borrow some of those serious drugs that she has been taking!

      • Flashy

        SC, just so everyone is clear.

        Which post should we rely on for your views? Today’s which you decry the police and their methods and rule of law … or yesterday’s where you cheered the sheriffs for making up the rules using selective enforcement, a tax evader, intimidation of federal employees, and usurption of elections and decisions at the ballot box ?

        Serious. I’m wondering where you actually stand ..

      • Bob from SoCal

        Sc’s comments are always standing on the side of liberty. In yours and eddies case I’m not so sure. You like most liberals are always trying to twist and distort what people say to further your agenda.

      • eddie47d

        SC stands on the side of fear and intimidation. As long as she is in charge of the intimidating!

      • Joe H.

        eddie,
        i would rather read sc’s posts than yours or flashy’s who are BOTH full of $hit!!!

      • vicki

        SC’s comments are fully consistent. She supports the rule of law. The sheriff’s in question are defending the rule of law. The police who defend the rule of law are supported. The police who don’t are not. This is what she said. She also appealed to police everywhere to treat us like adults instead of punk kids. Fully consistent

        Any “law” that is unconstitutional is so from its inception thus is null and void so those who defy an unconstitutional “law” are in fact being the MOST law abiding.

      • eddie47d

        SC’s comments are completely and constantly full of it alright. LOL

      • http://naver Samurai

        Ah yes, a personal attack. Is that the only presents you lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxists can give out this time of year Ed? I see Santa must have left you a basement full of coal again this year. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • DaveH

        Please enlighten me, Flashy, as to how refusing to enforce laws, that are against the Constitution (the Main Law of the Land), is “selective enforcement”?

      • vicki

        Samurai says about a comment by eddie47d:
        “Ah yes, a personal attack.”

        Isn’t it wonderful how easy it is to get liberals to surrender. When they start the personal attack (or other less common logical fallacies) you know that you have won the debate as they have nothing useful or logical left to debate with.

        Eddie made it particularly easy this time cause he did not even add a proof by bald assertion. Just the personal attack :)

      • Lost in Paradise

        Bravo s.c.

      • Bob M

        You are confusing officers doing what is right with the majority of nazi storm troopers who interact with the public like they are drill instructors and we are all grunts.

      • http://naver sook young

        You have to understand that this person was HFlashman, who was banned from this site due to his language and rants on this site. I support the police and what they do to protect us. I think Flashman was talking about the thread about police officers and sheriffs in New Mexico upholding the Constitution. How is it they would keep the government from making false arrests being some kind of intimidation and control? Please cite a source to support what you are saying. Thank you and Merry Christmas.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

      • eddie47d

        Then why wasn’t Samurai banned for his mean anti-gay comments and not so polite comments about liberals? ” Mirror Mirror on the wall who is the meanest of them all”. Now I don’t remember Flashman saying any bad words but I won’t dispute that. I do remember i41 getting booted off and he was a wacko conservative. Have a Merry Christmas Sook and Samurai too.

      • Flashy

        I was suspended. bob L (I believe) had written I was using multpile names since they were all coming from the same ISP (as he was seeing it). It was wrong of course, and the names used were several including at least one Conservative poster here.

        I admit i was somewhat aggressive in call Bob on it. Actually, I did not let up insisting on a correction. I was suspended from writing to the Board. It could be viewed both ways…I was correct in insiting on a correction, Bob was correct in booting my as* since i ws not letting up, even though it was clear there was not going to be any correction made. It’s his site …

        I did not use profanity…but was aggressive in demanding a correction

      • http://naver Samurai

        Now Ed I wasn’t suspended, that’s true, but I was given a written warning by Bob or his staff about calling people “morons.” All because Rob Smith kept complaining about it, because he couldn’t take what he was dishing out. Anyway, I have come down somewhat from before. Sook Young sometimes watches me when I post to try to keep my tongue in check. Why do you bring up gays? Like I said before, its not the people I have a problem with, but their lifestyle (the sin) and having waved in my face all the time. Now that you know, I hope you know where I’m coming from. BTW, you and yours also have a Merry Christmas. You lso HFlashman. I’ll still continue to fight for this country to get back on the right track (not right of center, ok?) to the ways we were founded. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • DaveH

        Isn’t it odd that Flashy (apparently HFlashman from the past), and Jeremy Leochner, have reappeared at about the same time? I suspected a few days ago that “Flashy” was indeed HFlashman, and now I’ve been proven correct by his own admission.
        What did you do Flashman, get a couple of IP addresses so you wouldn’t be so obvious this time?
        For those who don’t know here’s the controversy:
        http://www.personalliberty.com/asset-and-wealth-protection/preserving-wealth/what-now/#comment-439910

      • libertytrain

        Dave – don’t recall where but I saw a post re Bob Livingston saying he was going to let Flashy have another chance if he refrained from all the crud he pulled the last time. I do find it interesting that Jeremy came along all of a sudden as well….

      • DaveH

        What do you know about law, Flashy? Since SC was most likely talking about local officers resisting the Government’s breaking of the main law of the land — The Constitution, you have no legs to stand on, AS USUAL.
        We all know that you Liberals only want Government to obey the laws when they suit your purposes. So what’s new?
        And those you cite as examples on the right who are also in favor of Big Government as the solution are just a different kind of Liberal. True Conservatives know that Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution.

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