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Those Scumbag OWS Protesters Are Helping Our Cause

December 16, 2011 by  

Those Scumbag OWS Protesters Are Helping Our Cause

Have OWS protesters infested your city yet? They haven’t infested mine, but I kind of wish they would. Earlier this week, they shut down all shipping through the port of Oakland, Calif. If they knew who their real enemies are, they’d be kicking down the door to Harry Reid’s office in Washington.

Clearly, someone behind these clueless, jobless, soapless demonstrators is very familiar with a guy named Saul Alinsky. This left-wing agitator has been honored, if that’s the right word, as this country’s first community organizer. You can see where that’s led.

Alinsky, a veteran of Chicago’s dirtiest politics, wrote a book years ago called Rules for Radicals. One of his most important lessons was that “the real action is in the reaction.”

That is, so-called peaceful demonstrators will get everything they seek if they can cause the establishment to react forcibly against them. (Think of fire hoses and police dogs during the civil rights demonstrations of the 1960s.) Do that and your battle is won. Martin Luther King Jr. was a master implementer of the Alinsky stratagems.

Those OWS creeps in various locations around the country are not. All they are doing is making the average American disgusted with them. Oh, sure, they’re getting some support in high places — like Barack Obama’s White House. But how many of your friends and neighbors want to have anything to do with them? Heck, I’ll bet they don’t even want to get close enough to smell them.

One of the most ridiculous statements I’ve heard since OWS demonstrators first arrived in New York City is that the movement is somehow similar to the Tea Party. USA Today even ran an article with the headline “Tea Party, Occupy share traits.”

What a bunch of baloney.

Let’s see. The Tea Party brought more than half-a-million people to a peaceful and patriotic demonstration on the Washington Mall last year. When they left, park officials were amazed to find that the mall was cleaner than when they arrived.

When the OWS protesters finally were dragged kicking and screaming out of the parks they occupied, many of the cleanup crews had to wear hazmat outfits to protect themselves from the filth and sewage the demonstrators left behind.

So far, more than 5,000 OWS demonstrators have been arrested. Can you imagine the headlines if even a few hundred Tea Party members were arrested for similar offenses?

The Tea Party consists of people who are proudly patriotic. They love their country, its traditions and its rich history.

The OWS crowd is a bit different. OWS has been endorsed by both the Communist Party USA and the American Nazi Party. Talk about strange bedfellows! But don’t make the mistake of thinking the Nazis belong on the right. The word “Nazism” is a shortened version of the word “Nationalsozialismus,” or National Socialism. Hitler and all his followers are creatures of the left, not the right.

Tea Party members revere our country’s heritage of freedom, free enterprise and private property rights. They believe it is impossible to have a prosperous and growing economy where these principles are not respected and defended.

The OWS protesters despise the free market, hate and mistrust capitalism, and believe Karl Marx was right when he called for the forcible redistribution of wealth.

OWS demonstrators would have loved Lyndon Baines Johnson and his vision for a Great Society. Half a century ago, LBJ declared that it is the duty of government to take from the “haves” and give to the “have-nots.”

The protesters are gathering enormous publicity and thousands of followers. The left loves their anti-capitalist mentality, which is why so many of them, from Obama on down, have supported their cause.

But for a moment, let’s look at the facts about the downtrodden poor in this country. In his column The OWS-Black Friday Connection, My fellow Personal Liberty Digest columnist Robert Ringer quoted some amazing statistics:

Here are some facts about people whom the Census Bureau defines as “poor”…

  • Forty-three percent own their own homes.
  • Eighty percent have air conditioning in their homes.
  • Almost 75 percent of poor households have a car, and 31 percent have more than one.
  • Ninety-seven percent have a color television set and 62 percent have cable or satellite TV.
  • Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens.

In other words, the poor in this country live better today than the vast majority of human beings on the face of the Earth. I suspect they live better than most of our grandparents and great-grandparents did. In fact, they enjoy a higher standard of living than royalty did a couple of centuries ago.

Now I’ll grant you, there really is some poverty in this country. There are some truly terrible conditions in many of our inner cities. But the OWS protesters aren’t doing anything to correct them.

I will admit that the OWS agitators have a brilliant slogan: “We are the 99%.” Of course, they are nothing of the kind. They are a tiny fragment of nihilistic rebels who are delighted with all the attention they are getting.  But as far as a positive program to make things better? Fuhgeddaboudit.

Let me end this piece by quoting a friend of mine, Wayne Allyn Root, who says he is very proud to be a member of the 1 percent:

99% of the 1% are just like me– small businessmen and women who started from humble origins and earned their money the old fashioned way. Our “overnight success” came from 25 years of hard work, risking everything, and overcoming failure. Many of us are struggling, but will forever keep striving for the American Dream.

I am sick of being denigrated and misrepresented by the media and leftist politicians who are purposely misleading the public about the 1%.

I am sick of Obama targeting, vilifying, demonizing, and punishing us for our success. I am sick of the class warfare, jealousy, and envy that Obama’s socialist cabal tries to foment among the masses. The public has been told lies about the 1%.

My story is the story of 99% of the 1%. I am a small businessman. I work 16-hour days, mornings, nights, weekends, holidays, birthdays, and anniversaries. I have no guaranteed job for life, nor any pension. I have no rich daddy or sugar daddy.

I hope you, too, are “sick of the class warfare, jealousy, and envy that Obama’s socialist cabal tries to foment among the masses.” I sure am.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • DavidL

    Wow, Chip. You are way over the top with hate and invective today. Scumbags? These are our fellow citizens who have just as much right to hit the streets in protest as your Tea Party friends. Both groups have First Amendment rights to protest and seek redress, however wrong headed you believe they are, and have the obligation to do so in a lawful and peaceful way. If not, the law must step in to protect public safety and property.

    Your fact-challenged article promotes ignorance, hatred, and division. These are not the things that help our society come together in the spirit of tolerance, understanding, and cooperation. Shame on you. Behave yourself, and start acting like a mature adult. Your children are watching.

    • Brad

      DavidL,

      You should read the first amendment again because no where does it give us the right to protest. here is my proof “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”.

      • Flashy

        There ya have it folks ! Tea Partiers are against the right to protest! Since one has stated it is not a Constitutional Right to be able to protest…i mean, they ALL do..and such is what the TP movement is about ! Right? And such is why you can denigrate the 99%er protests..because there was one person…in some city and because you saw it ona vid somewhere sometime…who said something off the wall…the entire movement is now cast as believeing and supporting it 100%.

        Wow … the TPers stating the Constitution holds no Right to protest…

      • DaveH

        Therein lies your problem, Flashy. You are a bigot. Brad makes a personal statement and you assign his beliefs to all Tea Partiers.
        And you expect us to fawn over your perceptions of the OWS movement? Obviously your judgement is flawed.

  • cawmun cents

    Folks who feel that they are taxed enough already are seen by the left as stooges of the rich.
    Meanwhile back at the front,the community organizers with marxist intent,rally the indigent hobos and dope smokers to poiint out the fact that the rich only want to get richer.
    Wow,now that is intelligent discourse right there.
    You dont think they got rich by wanting marxists to control how they spend their money,do you?
    Tired old arguments,tired old marxists whores.
    Poor marxist progressive hippie prostitutes,who believe that Americans want to relive the sixties,in the 21st century.
    That has been their mantra all along.
    If they can get more people to think: make love,not war,then it is easier to put a joint in the end of your gun and cry mercy for the marxist.
    Sad that they never grew out of that particular sentiment.
    Instead they say”Appease the enemy”,and”Protect our right to be deviant”.
    And they wonder why the world sees them as hobos and dopers.
    They even have the brass testicles to call themselves the 99%.
    99% of nothing is still nothing.
    But if you yell a lttle louder,(the cheerleaders cry out)maybe somebody will listen.
    To what?
    Old news that you want to portray as new news?
    Hilarious.
    -CC.

    • eddie47d

      This year income for the 1% went up 27% while few Americans even got a 1% raise. Class warfare, yes indeed and the 1% are taking us for a wild ride and treating everyone else like “scumbags”. Yes cawmun cents you have little cents and support upper class trickery.

      • cawmun cents

        Yes eddie47d,and when the real marxists come to power,instead of these fakers you have posiing as the 99%,what will you do when they decide to whittle you down to 15%?
        You will whet your britches,thats what you will do.
        By then whatever you want to have occur at this time will have already spelled your eventual demise.
        Dont you see that?
        These people who you praise as your heroes will likely want you to die for their great version of Amerika Socialiste.
        You will say I am crazy and that that is not their intention but in every case where it has reared its ugly head millions have paid with their lives.
        Perhaps you wwish to join those millions,but it is possible that some of us(knowing the eventual outcome)do not.
        You can poke fun at us if you like,but it has happened to masses in other places.
        I dont wish to join them in the death of my nation.
        -CC.

  • jopa

    I wasn’t really wasn’t even sure who the i% folks were so I googled it and found out it’s the group that made a minimum of $516,633.00 in 2010.I really believe that 99.9% of the people on this site don’t make that kind of money so the OWS people are actually fighting on your behalf.Please donate today to the OWS your future depends on it in many ways.

    • Joe H.

      jopa,
      they only represent me if I agree with them!! I DON’T!!! REPRESENT YOURSELF AND LEAVE ME ALONE!!!

  • DaveH
  • dan

    Well, I have been logging into this site since April. One common element I have read on these threads is the discontent with our Elected Officials. Not that everyone agrees on solutions, but just about everbody agrees that change is necessary. The Tp’ers and the OWS folks, both have exercised their right to protest. My question is why are some of you folks discounting the effort. How else are we to get results peacefully? I am open for suggestions.

  • higherpotential

    Who knows what OWS will lead to? I do…. nothing but an expense notation on someone’s income statement.. WOW..

  • Millicent

    OWS was finally kicked out of Zucotti Park in NYC. Bloomberg finally grew a pair. Good riddance to trash.

    • Wild Bill

      The people expressing anger, fear and guilt and trying to shame others are the ones who are the most manipulated. If you think the OWS people are stinking hippies, you really need to stop watching television, or at least stop watching Faux News. We know who controls the major networks and where their allegiance lies. We know that banks illegally own the networks and we know who controls the banks and where their allegiance lies. Take your money out of the banks and put it into credit unions. Some news sources are a little less controlled. Democracy Now is fairly level headed, but rather boring. Dr. Rachel Maddow puts on a rather good show, but she is still a tad controlled. Well, so is Amy Goodman. There are certain important issues they won’t even touch. Do you seriously think that “Israeli” and “Israelite” mean the same thing? They don’t. Remember the Samaritans? They were Israelites. They weren’t Jews. They practiced a purer form of the same religion. What do you call an atheistic communist from southern Russia or eastern Ukraine? Look up “Kazaria.” God gave the land of Canaan to the Israelites, not the Jews. The United Kingdom gave a part of Palestine to the “Jews,” and that faction, run by the Kazarians, named the country “Israel” to the OUTRAGE of many Torah Jews. Look at nkusa.org sometime. The state of so-called-”Israel” is an affront to many Jews, and it is NOT the “ISrael” the Bible tells us to support.

  • Patriot

    Chip – Exactly! I could not have expressed this any better. I am a small business owner that has played by the rules and work hard every day to keep my little piece of the world going. It seems the rules, over the last few years, change on a daily basis and I am more unsure of our future than ever before in my life. I continue to be optimistic but, this becomes increasingly difficult.

    I hope and pray for my country and hope that people will start to appreciate our traditions and dreams. May the American Dream never be taken for granted and we get back to the values and principles that made us great. When need leaders more than ever before, tell me where have all the leaders gone?

  • skyraider 6

    A partime Congress might work, seeing we have a partime President. Let them go back home where the folks can watch them and converse like normal citizens.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    Alex you are a dumb ass.

    • eddie47d

      Showing your intelligence all at once Sean?

  • http://bobLivingston Power to the People

    I do agree with Karolyn that we must have civil conversation about the ills of our society. The political powers to be are in league with certain other ruling class powers…no doubt there! Both parties are guilty of screwing us all while smiling, pointing fingers and saying it is the other guys fault.

    We need to fight for term limits, get the swine from both sides out of Washington, elect good, ethical people at the local and state level. Demand that our financial books are in order. Live within our means as any family would do. Demand and end to all the billions given away to other countries that we do not have while we are…and yes we are broke!

    Demand the media stop the charade of giving us twisted news and fanning the flames of discontent, racism, class warfare and political warfare.

    We can do it….just role up your sleeves and get to work. Encourage your family, friends and neighbors to get active and stop being the silent majority.

    Lets Role!

  • SMsgt Z(ret) Nam 68

    None of you ever visited any of the Occupy Wall Street site anywhere is the US; your opinions are based on what some Millionaire pundits spouts.
    In Wisconsin the people fighting back and there movement is not Tea Party driven.
    The 99% will survive

    http://front.moveon.org/breaking-wisconsin-gathers-over-half-a-million-signatures-to-recall-gop-governor-scott-walker/?rc=daily.share&id=33869-1809022

  • clarence swinney

    SCUMBAGS ARE THOSE ON THIS FORUM WITH WOOD FOR BRAINS LIKE CHIPPED WOOD
    MARCHERS ARE PROTESTING
    20% OWN 85% NET WEALTH————–80% OWN 15%
    20% OWN 93% FINANCIAL WEALTH——–80% OWN 7%
    20% TAKE 60% INDIVIDUAL INCOME——70,000,000 TAKE 13%

    1980-2011 WE BORROWED 14,000B—-WE DID NOT TAX TO INCREASE REVENUE TO PAY OUR BILLS BUT CUT REVENUE VIA TAX CUTS THAT CREATED MILLIONAIRES TO BILLIONAIRES TO ZILLIONAIRES.

    IN 2010-TOP 50% PAID “ABOUT” 10% OF TOTAL INCOME IN INDIVIDUAL INCOME TAXES..THAT ITSY BITSY POOR GOT 87% OF TOTAL INDIVIDUAL INCOME.
    TOP 400 INCOMES PAID 1/100TH IN PAYROLL TAXES. 135 MILLION PAID 6.5%
    JOB CREATORS????GOT RICH BY HARD WORK? TRY GAMBLING. CREATED LOWEST NUMBER OF JOBS SINCE HOOVER. PRAISE ALLAH! YOU AL.

    • Robert

      Clarence, are you an idiot or is it just a well polished act ? Hard to tell from here.

    • Mark

      The solution to improving the wealth of all is NOT to further concentrate the wealth and the power in a large bloated central “progressive” “statist” “liberal” government. The first 150 years or so of the US demonstrated that. For the last 80 or so years we have increased central power and viola! Concentration of wealth followed right along too! The media tell you otherwise but if you open your eyes and study some history you can draw your own conclusion. Powerful governments have never, ever in the history of mankind benefited the people. Obama, The Bushes, Pelosi, et. al. feed our money to their friends only.

      • DaveH

        Either you’re schizophrenic, or there are more than one Mark posting at Personal Liberty. Would you consider further qualifying your Userid so we can tell?

  • Mike

    If congress would do someting usefull instead of woring about a woman and shipping job over seas, we would not be in this bad of shape. I want all tea party out of office. Any one how does not look after the Middle class needs to be gotting drum out of office.

    • Millicent

      That would mean the Kenyan illegally squatting in the WH and the rest of the Dems/Commies and RINOS.

      • eddie47d

        Ms name caller…so darn many of you! The President was elected fair and square and by a wide margin. You don’t have to like him or anybody else so please feel FREE to vote him out but at least stop the lying.

  • mirage

    As a demographic, the Tea Party crowd are generally made-up of a bunch of disgruntled white people (90%) who used to belong to the Republican Party, and then decided to go far right. They dress like its 2011, but they THINK they want to live like its 1776. I live in the Rockies and we have a fair amount of Tea Party people, particularly at my gun club, and they’re generally a well intended, traditional, but ignorant bunch.

    The Tea Pary wants Big Government out of our lives, until it comes to religious ideology, and THEN THEY WANT TO IMPOSE THE TENETS OF THEIR FAITH ON ALL OTHER AMERICANS (BIRTH CONTROL/ABORTION/PRAYER/FAMILY VALUES) VIA THE GOVERNMENTAL LAWS THEY TRY TO ENACT – THEN THEY LOVE BIG GOVERNMENTAL INTRUSION.
    However, the Tea Party scared the political establishment, which is a good thing, so they served some purpose. They’ve lost much of their support with the American people, except in “places” like here.

    The OWS crowd appears to be a diverse crowd of more intelligent, more tollerant people, and hopefully they’ll morph into an effective group for positive political change. Sure, OWS appears to have a few hippies, some loafers etc., but so does every group … it goes with the territory.
    I applaud the OWS/”Get Money Out” crowd for spending their time, energy and money in literally taking to the streets and trying to take on our corrupt political system, the same political system, which the Tea Pary has now it seems, joined.
    Without fundamental change to our corrupt political system via social movements like those discussed, it doesn’t matter if a guy like Ron Paul wins the presidency … one man cannot change the filth we have in Washington, nor the unabated 30+ year assault on the middle class.

    • Warrior

      Ron Paul or just go back to sleep! Dr. Paul is the ONLY candidate that is COMPLETELY honest.

      • Millicent

        Ron Paul is the only candidate that is completely nuts and a senile old fool

      • DaveH

        How so, Millicent? And please, before you try to pass off your misinformation, keep in mind that you won’t get away with it. So, I’d suggest you look up Ron’s actual agenda before you answer me.

      • http://deleted Claire

        Millicent–And may I ask how old you are?

      • Joe H.

        Claire,
        he is probably 18. you know how it is, can’t trust anyone over 25!!! LOL!!! RON PAUL/ANDREW NAPOLITANO 2012!!!!!

      • http://youtube.com/rustycrawford Father of 4

        You are right on… Ron Paul is the only intelligent person there. He is the only one who is not in the bankers pocket, and the only one who would dare to take on the banks since Lincoln and Kennedy who both started zero percent interest Green bucks and the silver certificate to run the government, and both were killed.

      • DaveH

        We are lost until people come to the realization that the bankers could do nothing without the complicity of Big Government. It takes two, you know, the Politicians and their Crony Bankers or other Cronies. Not all bankers are bad people.
        Please read this book to understand better that Real Capitalism (Free Markets) is not the problem. The problem started when we allowed Mercantilists to infest our Government over 150 years ago:
        http://www.amazon.com/How-Capitalism-Saved-America-Pilgrims/dp/1400083311

    • Millicent

      Spoken like a true Communist. Jerk

      • Karolyn

        Spoken like a totally close-minded conservative. I refuse to stoop to the level of using deorgatory terms.

      • DaveH

        You’re kidding aren’t you, Karolyn?

      • libertytrain

        she has to be. I’m beginning to almost be amused at how it’s ok to be derogatory if she is doing it. After all, it’s not apparently derogatory under those circumstances. Please karolyn read your own posts with you own mind open to the words you so frequently write and think about what it appears to others. Remember, words are the source of much misunderstanding – use them with caution.

      • Karolyn

        I challenge you to find one of my posts where I have called anyone a moron, jerk, stupid, scumbag, fool, etc.

      • libertytrain

        those are not the only derogatory words that can be used. Go back or just start reading all that you write. Like I said I don’t disagree with all you say or agree with all you say but not everything you write has that Pollyanna approach – though so many do – I have witnessed you snickering quite a bit with a few posters. You are not without sin.

      • DaveH

        Your magic mirror is lying, Karolyn. You are not the fairest of them all.

      • eddie47d

        She has always been more honest than you Dave.

      • Joe H.

        eddie,
        Did that hurt your nose??? Those sudden stops must be agony for you and karolyn!!!

  • http://verizon.net budman

    Chip: Would the Mr. Root you mentioned be the Mr. Root connected to the Libertarian Party?
    If so, you have a fine friend and one who knows who this President really is and what he represents. He would be far better than what we have sitting in the White House now.
    I live in Tampa, Florida. The Occupy Wall Street never took hold here or had more than a few show up. I am proud of the people of this city for ignoring them.
    I think it is known both George Soros and the Unions were paying many of these people to protest and obviously condoned by this administration by their statements encouraging them.

  • http://bobLivingston Power to the People

    Karolyn, have you actually talked to any of the protestors?

    The only unity that comes through is that they want free everything and to bring down our system. They do not have a unified theme, they do not have a unified strategy for dialogue….just protest and anarchy.

    • Flashy

      I’ve spoken to many of them PP..and many nTPers. Have you? For what you ascribe to them is far from truth…

      • cawmun cents

        The fact that what they appear to be is a Festival of Fools is apparently lost on you.
        Its not that they appear to be filthy hobos and dope smokers that bothers everyone.
        It’s that they smell like filthy hobos and dope smokers that bothers everyone.
        A lesson well learned.
        I may not be able to judge a book by its cover,but I can smell the odor of fecal matter,and identify it,without having to inspect it further.
        Marxists and hippies do not organize very well.
        If they did they could fool people easier.

      • Flashy

        Hey CC..which 99%er protest did you go to to be able to state what you are stating?

      • cawmun cents

        Re:
        To answer your question read my above statement.

        As I said,I have been on both sides of the fence.
        Would love to have pleasant discourse with you,but since I have been on the wrong side of the fence and things didnt smell too good over there,you will of course patiently understand my reasoning for not leaping over to see your side of the issues at hand.

        Not a cop out,to answer your question,I have not as of yet participated in an OWS protest.
        Nor have I protested in a Tea Party protest.
        You see,I am for closing the federal reserve.I know that both of these movements want the same thing.
        Therefore my need to protest is being met by others,while I tend to other important things which are too lengthy to discuss here.
        But I dont need a roadmap to see the effects of the differing movements.
        One goes to the electorate and changes things through the electoral process,while the other seeks to stop that which we need in order to facilitate rebuilding our economy.
        When businesses in a downtown area need to be closed because of protest and windows and parks need repair after the OWS crowd goes through,then I know where the truth of their agenda lies.
        Tea Party folks are taxed enough already,while the OWS crowd wants more taxes to pay for their criminal behavior.
        It is a simple thing for even the most sim[ple person to understand.
        IF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS BASIC FACT,then I suggest you smoke some more of whatever it is that you put in your pipe,and have a nice day.
        Cheers!
        -CC.

      • DaveH

        Oh, Great OWS Attendee, please tell us what they advocate.
        That is, if you can take the time to actually tell us something instead of polishing your attendance credentials.

      • Joe H.

        Flashy,
        you have talked to a lot of TEA partiers, HAVE YOU LISTENED??? I’m a member and all you say is BULL$HIT!!!

      • Flashy

        Sure I listened Joe. That’s why I went to several. Now…..just how many 99%ers have you spoken to when you went to a protest to find out what it was about?

      • DaveH

        Okay, Flashy, we get it (ad nauseam), you attended some OWS events (so you say). But you STILL haven’t told us what you experienced, or how the OWSers really think (in your limited sample size).
        I suspect there is a reason you stubbornly refuse to enlighten us with your vast experience.

      • Joe H.

        I’ll come right out and ask you Flashy, WHICH ONES DID YOU PHYSICALLY ATTEND AND WHAT DID YOU OBSERVE??? WHAT DID YOU EXPERIENCE?? If you can’t answer these questions then I say you are a lier and are a true FAKE!!!

      • Joe H.

        Flashy, WHAT NO SMART AZZED ANSWERTO MY POST??? FRAUD!!!!

  • Doc Sarvis

    Another difference between the Tea Party and the OWS movement is that while the Tea Party was financially backed by the Koch brothers the their like – OWS across the country is a true grassroots phenomenon.

    I AM sick of class warfare; where the top 1% have been concentrating their wealth and power to the detriment of the rest of us and our country.

    • FreedomFighter

      You sound very jealous of those making more than you.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Doc Sarvis

        Not at all. I am actually amazed that everyone is not against the wealthy concentrating our country’s financial resources and shipping our jobs overseas (at a tax break no less!).

      • Millicent

        Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors good.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Exactly, I too am against corporate welfare.

      • DaveH

        It appears, Doc, that you are against anybody who is successful. It appears that you envy the legally-acquired property of others. It appears that rather than a voluntary system of trading with your fellow citizens, you would prefer a system whereby Politicians and bureaucrats dictate who should have what.
        Yes, there are Crony Capitalists who succeed by pleasing the Politicians at their competitors, their customers, and the taxpayers’ expense. But if those are the target of your ire, you should make that clear. And those Capitalists, who are Crony Capitalists, cannot succeed without the Big Government that folks like you, Doc, advocate.
        As Government Grows, Corruption Flows.

      • Joe H.

        Doc S.
        Scratch a little deper than that thin vinear on the surface of the OWS and you will probably scratch SOREASS’S face!!! don’t give me that grass root crap. There are too many NOT in favor of it for it to be true grass root!!

      • Larry

        Again u do realize these tax breaks to ship jobs overseas have skyrocketed during this administration.You all that support obama are mindless robots who would believe anything he says.He says blame Bush so u do.I have news for u.My business thrived during Bush years and is worth nothing now.Huge difference

      • Doc Sarvis

        And YOU do realize that President Obama made a strong push to end these tax breaks to corporations shipping jobs overseas. He was blocked by the Republicans/conservatives and some Democrats. I said nothing about Bush.

      • DaveH

        I keep hearing you Liberals talk about Tax Breaks for sending jobs overseas, Doc, but you never provide any evidence to back up those accusations. What are those tax breaks, specifically?

      • eddie47d

        Yes Larry there were people who thrived under the false Bush economy. How did you feel when his economy came crashing down on all Americans. I guess all that counts is that you got your big slice of the pie!

      • El Gringo

        Doc Sarvis says:

        December 16, 2011 at 9:35 am

        And YOU do realize that President Obama made a strong push to end these tax breaks to corporations shipping jobs overseas. He was blocked by the Republicans/conservatives and some Democrats. I said nothing about Bush.

        You do realize Larry that Obama allowed his pet “Capitolist”, who runs GE and pays NO taxes, to move his medical division to China, closing out GE’s American facility and laying off all his American workers.

      • Brad

        Wasn’t it the Bush administration warning congress starting in 2001 to rain in Fanny and Freddy due to their loose financing regulations. Fast forward 2011 Ohmama deficit spending stands at 4.5 trillion and counting and to top that off Ohmamas energy department approved that 528 million dollar loan guarentee to Solyndra which so happend to go belly up. The US tax payer is dead last to receive our money back due to a renegotiation of the repayment and now we are learning that other major Ohmama donors have gotten favorable loan guarantees from the DoE which manages the program and has 10 billion to loan out.

      • eddie47d

        You forget about all the favorable loans and especially tax breaks that oil companies got to expand their businesses. Try being a little more honest.

      • Joe H.

        doc,
        Then when he had a majority in both houses, why didn’t he pass them THEN??? He has done NOTHING to stop them!! Just like he blames the republicans for blocking jobs bills when Dirty Harry Reid has 21, count ‘em 21 jobs bills on his desk that he says will never see the light of day!!! HE LIES!!! Just like what was SHOUTED from the senate floor!!!

      • Pepper

        FF, I think Doc is referring to “Crony Capitalism” Not true Capitalism. There is nothing wrong with true Capitalism and people making the wealth honestly. That is the American dream. What we have in this country at this point is Not true Capitalism, it is “crony Capitalism” which means that the top 1%ers are not playing on a level field. They get to rob the rest of us and buy off our politicians to make more “special rules” to keep down competition. Look at what MonSATANo has done to our family farms,and how small businesses can’t compete with big businesses because of all the “Rules and Regulations”. We’ll all be buying at “the company store” soon if we don’t come together on the real issues soon. Welcome to WalMart-your ONLY store.

      • DaveH

        Glad to see you make that distinction, Pepper, but I’m not so sure that is what Doc is saying. We’ll see if he answers my question.

      • DaveH

        We can best address that problem (Crony Capitalism) by getting Government out of our Marketplaces, so they have no tools to favor their Cronies with. We need to put the power to decide who succeeds and who fails back into the hands of the consumers and take it away from the Politicians.

      • Joanne

        AMEN to that last comment Dave get government out of Any business except protecting us against “invaders” which they are doing a piss poor job of ..

      • Joe H.

        Joanne,
        agreed, maybe we should let John Q Public help on THAT as well!!!

      • eddie47d

        Yet you will attack union members because they might happen to make just a few more bucks than you. They are your working class neighbors yet you beat them up in spades. You relate more to the 1% no matter how they earned their loot and then proudly denigrate folks you have much in common with.That is the terrible divide the Middle Class is faced with and seems to be acceptable behavior.

      • DaveH

        Eddie, you ignoramus, Freedom Fighter didn’t attack Union members. When are you going to take some reading comprehension courses, and stop putting words in peoples’ mouths?

      • eddie47d

        I read just fine name caller Dave or are you to blind to interpreting anything. No wonder you can be so shallow and gullible and actually that comment was for someone else. I’ll let you keep guessing who that was since you put your own foot in mouth.

      • libertytrain

        what are you talking about? You are always answering these posts whether they are directed at you or not. Are you creating an exception to the rule just for you. Be real eddie… this an open forum not a private chat room.

      • DaveH

        Show us where he attacked Union members, Eddie. It’s as simple as that. You can’t, so you equivocate. Seek help, Eddie.

      • eddie47d

        Use some of your wisdom Dave and figure it out or did you use it all up.

      • Joe H.

        DaveH,
        This is HILARIOUS!!! eddie is in his death throes of failure and he tells YOU to use some WISDOM!! As Buggs would say “WHAT A MAROON”!!!

    • Pat

      yup, they sure are grassroots, what a fool you are, the filthy rich that you ows people hate so are the ones that are footing the bills for you, namely george soros

      • Doc Sarvis

        I pay my own bills sir – with the money I work hard for.

      • Brad

        Then Doc you wouldn’t mind sending your share to the US treasury so they can redistribute your wealth. I do understand everyone likes to make money but when Ohmama wants to redistribute the wealth he’s not talking about the rich, he’s talking about all of us.

    • Millicent

      OWS is finance by ACORN aka Voter Fraud Organization and George Soros the puppetmaster behind the Kenyan illegally squatting in the White House.

      • Doc Sarvis

        How so? I know the “Occupy” folks in my area are not getting any checks or support from Soros or ACORN.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Or anyone for that matter.

      • Joe H.

        doc,
        how do you KNOW??? Because they SAY so??? AND you call others here gullible?!?!?!? Good Lord!!!

      • eddie47d

        They have to blame someone Doc and it’s always the same old recycled blame.

      • http://deleted Claire

        Millicent– You mean like the Koch Brothers back the Tea party? There are “backers” behind every puppet–Democrat or Republican.

    • fedup

      That’s funny. Been to alot of Tea Party functions and rallies, all of those were done on pay as you go or donations. And the OWS crowd isn’t as grassroots as you say. Follow the money….Soros;/

    • Lynn

      Did you ever get a job from someone poor? Where you should concentrate
      is on the colleges, they raise their tution to fatten the wallets of professors and the like, much more to it and tell lies about what to take in school, as the jobs won’t be there, just like being a pharmaisist, what a hoax that was.
      There is a good story some where all about it, do some research, I found it very interesting. Farming, believe it or not is where it will be at.

  • Tom Cook

    Chip, your last comment is the most pertinent. I fear that if we do not get a true leader like President Reagan and some more good people like Paul Ryan in Congress, that the slime like Pelosi and Reid and Boxer and Maxine Waters and Shumer and the rest of the stupid greedy self-serving slime will end up causing us to have to once again nourish the tree of liberty and there seems an almost endless supply of potential offal for fertilizer: illegal mexicans, muslims, welfare trash, and the seemingly endless takers who do not understand that they are owed nothing, not one thing. Any cop who is not an Oathkeeper will be first water the tree of liberty for they are no longer the thin blue line. There is a lot of fertilizer these days.

    • DaveH

      You really think Paul Ryan will lead us to Smaller Government? Here’s how Paul Ryan voted on the Unconstitutional NDAA Bill which has a provision for indefinite detention of Americans without Due Process:
      http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll932.xml

      • http://deleted Claire

        DaveH– Paul Ryan?? Ye gods, he is the last person on earth I would want to vote for. I don’t trust the guy.

      • Joe H.

        DaveH,
        I notice my congressman LaTourette was one that didn’t vote. While I’m glad he didn’t vote FOR it, I’m PISSED he didn’t vote AGAINST it!!! He will hear from me about THAT!!

      • DaveH

        Yep, he took the coward’s way out.

      • Joe H.

        DaveH,
        I e-mailed him today!! I told him I would have EXPCTED him to vote AGAINST IT!!! I also told him I would keep this in mind when considering who to vote for when he comes up for reelection!!

  • http://bobLivingston Power to the People

    Alex, are you on something this morning? Too much Koolaid..or too many visits to the hash pit.

    Will you be as brain dead when you must ask Big Bro for permission to have a car, where to live, what you can do and where you can go? Oh, but maybe that is utopia to you??

    Go find somewhere else to peddle your warped views.

  • Karolyn

    This disgusts me! For people to be calling their fellow human beings and Americans scumbags is, well, kind of a scumbag thing to do. Most of those writing about the OWS movement have not talked to any of them and really don’t know what they are talking about. They take their info from others like them. I’m not even saying that the OWS people are totally right in some of what they do, but they do have the right as Americans to do it. And, yes, I am sure there are hangers-on who are the types that will attract attention and reflect on the group as a whole. That happens in any group. Inciting hatred through inflammatory verbiage as a way to make a living stinks. Just keep stirring the pot! See where that gets anybody!

    • cawmun cents

      Am I calling anyone a scumbag when they defecate in the street?
      When they have sex in a sleeping bag in front of the news cameras?
      When they toss rocks at windows like vandalistic school-children?
      When they recruit the indigent hobos and drug pushers to hold their banners as they parade through town?
      When they poison the well of the minds of our youth in the institutions of higher learning?
      When they stand side by each in the spirit of defending deviancy and moral depravity?
      When they decide that capitalism(which forged this great nation,and provided all the things by which they thrive in modern America)is to blame for the woes of the world?
      When they sit nude in a restaurant,while parents and their children eat nearby?
      When they call a deviant behavior normal,in their haste to defend tolerance?
      When they have removed all that is decent and right fromm our Journalistic Bastions,and replaced it with those willing to be subjugated?
      When they claim that healthcare is a right,and then fine you for not exercising thyat right.
      When they claim that the harm to our environment is more important than the productivity of our citizens(putting the planet ahead of the people),in the name of some lost idea of saving the world?
      When they want to turn the whole idea of morality on its axis and make wrong right,and right wrong?

      You ask me if I call them scumbags?
      I think they do a good job of naming themselves.
      But what do I know?
      Apparently very little……
      -CC.

      • Pepper

        And…………You were shown all this on “The Media”. Of coarse they are showing you the train wreaks. You are being played! Of coarse there are THOSE people out there. You are only taking into account of what you are being shown. The media whores want you to be divided so that their masters can keep robbing and raping us one at a time. Again you can not selectively use the Bill of Rights for only those that you agree with.

      • Karolyn

        Amen! Isn’t that just logical common sense? Apparently, many do not partake of logics and common sense. If THEY hear it from Their favorite media, whether online or msm, then it HAS to be true. That’s why it’s important to really listen to BOTH “sides.”

      • libertytrain

        remember that too, as you continue to denigrate the people you live with there in South Carolina.

      • Karolyn

        I do not denigrate the people here; I denigrate the general climate, which I attribute to the subjugation of the people that still occurs here starting at the local level and on up to the State Capital. For instance, there is a nearby county where the “powers that be” keep industry out because they don’t want anybody coming in and paying the workers more than what has traditionally been paid. The “Good Ole Boy” network is alive and well here and in neighboring counties in NC. I’m only a couple of miles below the SC/NC border. Additionally, it is a well-known fact that those whose families have been here from the beginning do not “allow” anyone entrance into their hallowed cliques. What I have posted about the crime rates in Bible Belt states is merely an observation and is actually puzzling to me.

      • libertytrain

        Well, we’ll have to agree to disagree because if you look back at your posts all of them appear to be negative towards your fellow South Carolinians. I’m not just talking about your complaints of politics. Your problems seem to be about the people as well. I’ve had no trouble melding with the folks here. Even the “cliques” you speak of. Act like a know-it-all Northerner and you will be treated like one.

      • Karolyn

        liberty – Everything I said came from the mouths either of people who were born here and raised with open minds or those from the north who’ve been here for 20-30 years. I work with some pretty great women, all born in the south. Of course we are in human services, so they are all more people-oriented and educated.

      • libertytrain

        of course they are. Still sounds like plain old gossip – educated or not and you continue to spread it without hesitation.

      • eddie47d

        Cawmun cents has had his mind nailed shut and then cemented over!

      • DaveH

        No, Karolyn, what would be common sense would be for Pepper to provide some evidence for her point of view. It’s easy to upload video on Youtube. Pepper could show us her video of the “real” OWSers, or at the very least describe those she has encountered verbally. Instead, all we have are accusations of Media distortion with no real evidence to back it up. For sure, the MSM has been known to promote their viewpoints with Propaganda, but when I see someone accusing someone else (reporters in this case) of dishonesty, I expect to see some evidence for that accusation.

      • Karolyn

        You’re right, Dave. And even here today, we have had people with different viewpoints post about being in the same city for demonstrations and seeing different things.

      • libertytrain

        I expect people see what they expect to see to some degree. And deny that the other could have seen something different.

      • eddie47d

        Dave speaks with forked tongue. Apparently he has forgotten how many times he brought up that manipulated Sherrod tape for his own ego.

      • DaveH

        You have no credibility on this board, Eddie. Seek help.

      • eddie47d

        Still ahead of you Dave!

      • Joe H.

        eddie,
        DaveH could stop tomorrow and it would still take a month for you to catch up!! He posts 98% MORE than you, he posts truth, hemakes YOU look like the liberal prog you ARE!!

      • cawmun cents

        What you knuckle heads will never understand is that I have been there when the recruiting was happening.
        I know how the game is played.
        I know how much truth is given to them before they hit the street.
        I have been on both sides of the fence.
        Thanks for calling….(dial tone)-CC.

      • Joe H.

        Pepper,
        Think back to you guys prophetic words when you tried to connect the “spit” thing with the TEA party. GUILT BY ASSOCIATION!!! If you don’t police your self and weed out the scum then you condone them! The TEA party came out right away and denounced the few that were causing trouble at their meetings. The OWS only acted AFTER they found out it was going to cause trouble!! Like the park clean-up. They only cleaned up when they were threatened with EVICTION!!

      • Joe H.

        BTW, THAT ALSO PROVES THEY COULD HAVE CLEANED UP ALL ALONG AND CHOSE NOT TO!! SO YOUR LITTLE ARGUEMENT THAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OWS AN THE TEA PARTY IS THE TIME OF OCCUPATIONIS INVALID!!!

  • Alex

    Property is Theft

    • FreedomFighter

      A slave is property, “you are a slave”

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB-HZG1Zh7s&feature=related

      Alex you are not in the big club. Listen to george on this Vid its a presentation at your level.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • AzPatriot

      and liberalism is the product of an empty mind.

    • DaveH

      Please explain that one to us, Alex. If individuals can’t possess property, then who can? In your Communist view of the world, who decides who get to use that property? Is it not people who make those decisions? What gives them the right to make those decisions? Do they make fair decisions? Why would they?
      If you can’t trust the men or women who improved the property to make good decisions about its utility, who can you trust? In Communist countries there are still haves and have-nots. The only difference is how they achieved their possession of worldly goods. In Capitalist countries they achieve their Property with their toil and by trading with other voluntary customers. In Communist countries they achieve their property by politicking — might makes right.
      There really is no contest between the two systems unless you advocate constant turmoil and political wrangling (not to mention poverty), over voluntary transactions with your fellow citizens.

      • Flashy

        “If you can’t trust the men or women who improved the property to make good decisions about its utility, who can you trust?”

        hmmmm…have you read on the issues concerning fracturing and property rights in Pennsylvania and the Mid-West regions? Ya really think those Developers live in the suburbs and urban sprawl they’ve created? Seriously?

      • DaveH

        Obviously, Flashy, you haven’t or you’d know that the accusations have been mostly unproven. The only causal links between contaminants and nearby water supplies have been due to poor casing structure near the surface, while the ‘fracking’ occurs thousands of feet below the surface. Some reason:
        http://reason.org/news/show/plentiful-fuel

      • Joe H.

        Alex,
        Property is theft??? good then we will all stop buying cars, houses, appliances, ANYTHING personally owned and see where this country and others end up!! Remember, son, it was the crash of the housing market that started this whole mess!!! Now, you don’t own anything, do you??? Cause if you DO, you are guilty of THEFT by your own words!!

      • eddie47d

        Lack of REGULATIONS Joe… Lack of OVERSIGHT Joe. When you allow the schmucks to get their hands in the cookie jar you can’t pull them out.

      • Joe H.

        The mans own words, eddie, the mans own words!!!

      • Flashy

        Dave..and that’s why the oil and gas companies want to take away proterty rights and local decisionmaking and have the state decide on the rules eh? (much more easily pliable and less enforcement prone) That’s why the oil and gas companies just want to be such good neighbors and let the local area decide.

        Uh huh … sure. There’s no truth at all to the many reports surfacing about contamination and misuse of land and waters.

        Then why is there so much effort to prevent local decision making? So you’re suggesting the state knows better than local communities what’s good for them and that the state should tell people what to do with their property? Really?

      • DaveH

        The usual non sequitur from Flashy.
        If you want to know my philosophy, just read the Libertarian Party platform and issues pages. They pretty much embody my beliefs:
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform
        Free Markets, Limited Government, Personal Responsibility, Individual Freedom, and the Peace that comes when Big Government isn’t trying to force a one-size-fits-all approach on a diverse populace.

  • Alex

    How dare you suggest that the police dogs and fire hoses of Montgomery and Selma were a product of manipulation by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.! Pig.

    • micky.c

      Of course they were just think about it , i mean really think about it . What actually happened…..

      • libertytrain

        exactly, alex is getting his undies in a wad over nothing. Rev. King set out to accomplish something and he did and because of the fire-hoses etc, isn’t that what sent Bobby Kennedy as Attorney General into a fireball of anger and aimed to help out with Dr. King’s mission.

    • cawmun cents

      Did you mean the same way that when women and children were burnt to a crisp,in Waco Texas(heres a shout out to the FBI,and Janet Reno),they said that the folks in there set themselves on fire?

      Is that progressive social re-education,meant for the rest of us?

      The media is a powerful thing isnt it?
      Dis-information is as good as Mis-information,right?
      It all depends on who’s watching the barn,right?

      There are weasels in the chickencoop,and you dont care as long as those weasels are leftists,right?
      You are a sad,and pathetic man sir,when you co-opt the dream of MLK,and use it as a ploy to espouse leftist idealism.
      The slip of your desperation is showing.
      But then it is likely that you will wear a shorter dress,when you use any idea necessary,to whore your progressive discourse on those who want to speak against the left.
      Marxism isnt dead,but the whores who peddle it from the streetcorner are getting old so,they have to recruit the youthful colllege age crowd,the hobos,the dopers,the vandals,to help them sell it again.
      But this is old news,just like marxism,so I am out.-CC.

      • eddie47d

        The author said that MLK had manipulated the protests which is a fabricated lie. The author and yourself have been duped and are rewriting history to stir up your own brand of trouble.Maybe that should be called “reversed Alinsky” tactics. You all have become so good at it.

      • DaveH

        Eddie,
        When you call somebody a liar, intelligent people expect you to be able to back up that accusation. Where is your evidence that MLK didn’t “manipulate” the protests?
        Do you honestly think we would take your word for anything, Eddie?

      • eddie47d

        Who believes you anymore Dave when you repeat the same disgusting line? You probably ignored the real dangers that blacks had to endure back in the day.Their struggle was real and the hatred against them was even more real.I would say Bull Conners and his ilk are the ones who used violence against blacks to achieve their goal of keeping them in their place. Those were the sinister ones who manipulated that situation.

      • libertytrain

        You are reading things into things that aren’t there to read that way. Your interpretation is just that – yours.

      • Flashy

        Eddie..in all likelihood Dave wasn’t born during the days when the Civil Rights protests were being carried out. He knows only what twisted facts he’s fed …nothing based in historical fact.

      • Brad

        Flashy,

        It has been historically provin that Republicans from 1860 to apptoximately 1980′s they fought tooth and nail for black people and their equal rights. If you don’t believe me just google history of equal rights for black people. It’s been the KKK to include democrats whom have subjected black people to humilliation and servitude and segrigation. Evan today in the land of the free we are self segrigating our own society and what for, we are teaching our own children to hate through self segrigation. Atleast I’m teaching my kids its o.k. to play with a black child, a brown child, a yellow child and evan a mixed child. In my eye’s all races are equal but their are others trolling this site who will try and tell ya different. Until the day comes when a persons skin color means nothing is the day we will have racial equality, but unfortunently that day will never come, there are thoughs who can’t over come their hatetread for others with a different skin color.

      • eddie47d

        When the saints go marching in. BLA BLA! We are well aware of who belonged to the KKK Brad. Take a look at the picture at the top of the article and see where the prejudices lies. Why are “they” obsessed with black faces on this site? The OWS protesters are overwhelmingly white so why the black man standing alone with a picture of Harriet Tubman? Tubman was a true freedom fighter! I see the “hidden bigotry” all the time here how about you?

      • DaveH

        As usual, Flashy chooses to personally attack instead of citing facts.

  • http://deleted Claire

    The OWS here in town are civil, no tents, etc. There doesn’t seem to be any problems with them here. They are organized, and have direction.

    • FreedomFighter

      What town is that Claire?

      I have seen a OWS without problems, and the only organizations present organizing are communist.

      Maybe we should start to educate these people to whom the real enemy is: Banker elites that own the FED, pick our presidents and force UN Agenda 21 on us, and are now in the process of disarming America.

      Once these monsters begin to disarm Americans, its over for protesting, over for free speech, over for choice, over for freedom.

      Our congresss and president has already declared war on the American people, illegally thrown out our constitutional protections, blatantly sold weapons to drug cartels and imported drugs, all in an attempt to undermine our right to bear arms.

      You see, once they start taking the guns, they can do anything just like North Korea.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • James Andrews

        That is why we can never allow them to take away our guns and our Second Amendment rights. Never never allow this to happen!

      • cawmun cents

        The wise man once said,
        “They can have my gun,When I can pry a better one from their cold dead fingers.”-CC.

      • Vagabond

        a gret big AMEN to that cawmun cents,

      • rebecca

        yes, good book, along w/ the global gun grab and sheriff macks book, the county sheriff, america’s last hope.

      • Alex

        Guns are old-school phallic symbols for the impotent and weak.

      • FreedomFighter

        Uncle Ted has a message for you Alex, foul language involved please be advised:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy8RIiTyhMI

        Freedom!

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Angel Wannabe

        FF_ ya just gotta love the Nooge! :)

      • http://deleted Claire

        Okay, so Ted Nugent has guns. So what? Am I supposed to be impressed? Does this make him a “real man?” Does this mean he can shoot more animals and mount them on his walls? Does this mean the bigger the animal is, the “bigger” he is? My husband has guns and he will fight for the right to keep them, but my husband is not a braggart or a swaggart. My husband speaks softly but he sure can carry a big stick. He also doesn’t fling his guns around in public trying to be macho. Keep in mind a lot of politicians are against conceal and carry and are for stricter gun laws–including Republicans. This is not only a Democrat issue, it is also a Republican issue. The candidates running for office should be pinned down and asked what their intentions are concerning gun control. I wonder if they would give an “honest” answer, or simply “tell us what we want to hear.”

      • cawmun cents

        I wonder if you will talk so brave when the stormtrooper comes to kick-in your door,and relieve you of your teeth.

        -CC.

      • BC39

        Nice reply cawmun! You forgot to mention that the storm trooper will be carrrying a gun!

      • eddie47d

        Some of you are too extreme for your own good and would make excellent Gestapo police in your attacks against free speech and assembly. It’s only “free” if it’s your speech and your assembly. All others need not apply!

      • Brad

        And Eddie, this is the army your jack booted teamster Jimmy Hoffa Jr. is talking about, unions and its thugs, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f65xilSDyso

      • Integrity1st

        I suggest everyone watch the film on Current TV, “How to Start a Revolution”! We The People have to get organized. It has start at the local level & work up to the state level before we can even entertain the idea of a federal restructuring. Iam a multi gun owner & will die before I hand even one over, but, just for prospective, I watched a military “gunship” fly over my house the other day. After watching it fly by I had to ask myself, really, what could I possibly do with my little hunting rifle against something like that???!!

      • Joe H.

        Integrity1st,
        In Nam, we had gunships(cobras) shot down with AK47s. All it took was a determined for that got lucky enough to place a round in the right place! Usually, they paid for their luck, but it still happened.

      • Mushin

        Alice, are you SILL HERE? Well now we know Claire isn’t the only one who spends time watching the “Rosie” show! Welcome! You wanna voice your opinion don’t you?! Well guess what – we don’t really give a rats-ass what your opinion is….SO GO AWAY.

      • libertytrain

        Mushin, you’ve proved to be the fool here. You obviously don’t read posts by Claire to realize what a fool you made out of yourself.

      • DaveH

        Claire is one of a minority of people who post on this board who truly has an open mind and thinks for herself instead of following the crowd.

      • http://deleted Claire

        MUSHIN—Okay, so you think I watch Oprah and Rosie. I never watch them because I don’t have a brain the size of a pea like you do. And I do not have a “mushmouth” like you apparently have. Shooting off your mouth like you knew what the hell you were talking about. Look, if I was to kick the crap out of you, all that would be left would be a hat and a pair of shoes. So get off my case. I don’t have time to listen to your constant drivel. I have never taken any crap from anyone and I don’t intend to start now so get lost.

      • http://deleted Claire

        DaveH– Thank you.

      • Joe H.

        Mushin,
        Did you just step in something soft and mushy??? That was your big mouth getting stepped on! Claire is one of the “classy” ladies here. mess with her, you will get biatch slapped for sure!!

      • AzPatriot

        Ahhh… I think there may be a libtard amongst us.

      • sybucket

        Alex- That is about the dumbest statement I have ever heard. if you really believe what you say then you deserve all the very bad things that this administration will do to you , if it continues to get it’s way. Not the least of which is you will lose your freedom and freedom to make your own desicions. The Gove.t will decide everything for you.

      • Vagabond

        alex why dont you just stay off of this post? no one is interested in your STUPID CRAP,

      • alex

        which alex are you referring to big A or little a

      • DaveH

        Liberal comments are old-school symbols of weak minds.

      • Lastmanstanding

        I hope I can hear all of you anti-gun, big govt. progressives screaming when the govt (whose ass you have kissed for your entire lives) comes and hauls your pathetic asses away to a work camp.

        Since they only needed you for your vote…then you’ll be tossed.

      • Doug

        Use some lube Alex you need it! And I sure as hell don’t a guy against some liberal pussy like you!

      • S.C. Murf

        Just because Alex you don’t know which end the lead comes out of is your problem, so you make that popping sound Alex and everything will become clearer, I promise.

        up the hill
        airborne

      • eddie47d

        Does Murf ever go beyond making that”popping sound”. If that is all you have then maybe you are the one who needs to pull it out!

      • Joe H.

        S.C Murf,
        no danger of that poppin sound with eddie!! PERMANENT IMPLANTATION!!!

      • eddie47d

        Ditto with you Joe Blow!

      • Joe H.

        I knew you couldn’t ignore me for long eddie, the TRUTH hurts you too much!!!

      • Iris

        SO TRUE! First, they use PSYCHOLOGICAL POWER. When that no longer works, they use PHYSICAL POWER, but in order for that to be successful, they must first disarm us!

      • DaveH

        Like all Sociopaths, they will use the least intrusive forms of manipulation first, followed by increasingly intrusive forms until they get their way or we stop them cold. Hopefully that will come with words because the alternative is not a very practical solution.
        Remember — The Pen is Mightier than the Sword.

      • Pepper

        You hit it FreedomFighter, The key is education! I have been to OWS Blogs and Tweets and seen that many were mentioning “Glass-Steagull” act(witch I believe Clinton and Bush were involved in getting rid of), End the Fed and the big 6 mega banks running the corrupt banking systems. Now that is a start in the right direction. The movement has been mis-directed by some bad groups, but with educating people, the Soros gang is loosing control. Also educate them about the differences between “Capitalism and “Corporatism/Crony Capitalism”. Many are starting to “get it”. Again I want to say, If we do not protect the rights of others, we will have no one to protect the rights for us. You can’t be selective about who’s rights you will protect in “the Bill of Rights”

      • DaveH

        If we want our freedom and prosperity back, we need to get the Government out of our Marketplaces. Deregulation of the banking sector is just an illusion. They get rid of one set of regulations and replace them with another. We need stop the Government’s meddling except for enforcement of fraud laws. Let the Banks that please the consumers succeed, and let the others fail, as it should be:
        http://reason.org/news/show/the-myth-of-financial-deregula

        Regulations are typically created to help the Crony Capitalists du jour. Read “The Big Ripoff: How Big Business and Big Government Steal your Money” to find out how they do it.

      • Ronbo

        Communists? Seriously dude, you need to educate yourself. Do they really wan’t centralized production and managment of the tools of production? No. I don’t think you’ve bothered to be burdened with an education. Seriously, calling people invalid & inaccurate names is the refuse of the ignorant.

      • http://deleted Claire

        FreedomFighter–I live in south/central Illinois. And before you get started on Obama, let me tell you that I believe Chicgao should be turned into a state of its own. But the problem with that is the rest of Illinois would never get any money. Chicago would get it all, but then again Chicago always gets most of it anyway. I do not care for the Democrats/Republicans (RINOs) here in Illinois. People badmouth the Democrats but let me tell you I believe the Republicans aren’t any better. The last few governors have ended up making license plates. I certainly am not proud of that fact. In between times we did have a decent governor–Jim Edgar, who happened to be a Republican. It is a shame he will not run again, but he has heart issues. It is true, the OWS here have been very civil. They do conduct themselves with some class, not like a bunch of radical hoboes.

      • operator

        ooorah!

    • Mushin

      Please excuse Claire, she watches too much Oprah and Rosie O’donnel….pffft.

      • Karolyn

        Mushy – I think you’re pickin’ on the wrong person. Claire has been a respected member of this blog for a long time; and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Claire is one of the few conservatives on this site who is fair and balanced and who has everyone’s respect.

        Claire – I know you don’t need me to stand up for you, but this guy just pisses me off! We might disagree on some things, but at least we respect each other and our right to air our beliefs.

      • libertytrain

        ditto Karolyn – he made a complete fool out of himself with that one…

      • http://deleted Claire

        libertytrain–Thank you.

      • Al Sieber

        I agree with Karolyn and libertytrain.

      • http://deleted Claire

        Karolyn–Thank you.

      • Joe H.

        Claire,
        You have to excuse Mushin, his brain has gone mushy!!! Since he is a prog in disguise, he has a hard time telling them from LIVING, BREATHING, THINKING human beings!!

      • http://deleted Claire

        JoeH–there is a post further down the site–it is not me, The first post is by Claire and then another by ClaireM. Thats all I need- the same name. This better get straightened out.

      • Joe H.

        Claire,
        I’m sure we can tell the difference. Class tells!!

    • Flashy

      Same here Claire. No problem with the 99%ers. they are making the point that the TPers tried..and then gave up after the ‘event’ was over….(seems the TPers treated it as a fad and not a cause).

      Fact is…for the first time in my memory the Ultra Right and the Left have a commonality in what is wrong and demanding it be addressed.

      Here’s my bet. Those who are denigrating the 99%ers on this forum have never been to the protests. I have. And yes, I attended the TPer protests to see what was gong on. Yes..i saw folks at the TPer rallies packing armor. I have not seen any 99%ers packing guns. And the reason the 99%ers are being arrested? Some truly need to be hauled away. But most of them are peaceful and were arrested for merely wanting to carry out their right (and duty as a citizen) to speak and demonstrate.

      So the question which should be asked of anyone who denigrates the 99%ers…have you walked (not driven by)through one of the occupied demonstrations? If not…go sit on the sidelines and let the true Americans fight for your rights since you have no clue and are too lazy to do anything about it.

      And Chip…have you walked through any of the Occupied areas and spoken to people there? he middle class citizenry who attend the rallies and give their time when they aren’t slaving trying to make ends meet?

      fact is…most of the Occupiers are there a few hours at a time whn they can be. They are the middle class. they are your neighbors. they are the ones who care bout this country and not treat a day rally as a party and fad such as what we viewed with the so-called TP protests.

      Think about that …

      • Karolyn

        Thank you Flashy!

      • DaveH

        For what?

      • FreedomFighter

        Tea Party people passed the test for CC or in case you dont understand : Concealed Carry

        Rarely does a scumbagger

        Videos prove the brave patriots of the TEA PARTY didnt break the law like scummers, didnt defecate, didnt spread disease, didnt trash the place of protest, didnt stop commerce, didnt vandalize, didnt shout racist views on Jews, were not organized by communists and unions and were not funded by the biggest commie of all Soros.

        You as a lucy slave may have missed this.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Karolyn

        As has been pointed out ad infinitum, there will always be a few rotten apples in any basket – even the Tea Party. There are videos out there depicting Tea Partiers as ignorant, bigoted trash due to what a few have been videotaped saying and doing.

      • Joe H.

        karolyn,
        Case in point??? Or is this another broad brush non-proof statement??

      • Flashy

        I take it FreedomFighter you have not been to a 99%er protest. You’re just a wannabe who has no backbone to stand up for anything…just whine and complain. I have been to both a TP “event/picnic” and a 99%er protest. I have seen people packin’ guns at a TP picnic. I have heard and spoken with people who would be more comfortable waring white sheets than any other garb, i have spoken to TPers who are good people (oddly enough, most said they had no idea how many lunatics were going to be at those events and they would not attend any others).

        And I have attended 99%er protests. I saw none..absolutely none of what you claim. You hate…and try to spread that hate without knowing what you are talking about…hoping someone doesn’t call you on your lack of knowledge.

        Guess what…I’m calling you on it. So pray tell..what 99%er protest have you gone to and where you personally observed any of what you are talking about in denigration and hate for those fighting for your Rights and freedoms?

      • FreedomFighter

        Im into the freedom our fathers gave us and fully support the constitution.

        I reject communists and lawless behavior.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Larry

        Flashy,I suppose your ignorance of history is understandable since your for the so called 99% but do u realize the white sheet gig was designed and brought about by the good ole democratic party and all they stood for for ever.Probably still do.U never saw anything about race bigotry at a tea party and if u say u did your a liar.At the OWS u see all sorts of bigotry.

      • Flashy

        Larry…i’ll ask you the same question i’m asking all today who are denigrating the 99%er protests…which one did you attend to find out what is true in these “facts” being represented?

        We now know Freedom fighter has never been to any so he’s full of hot air…how ’bout you?

        And as I stated…I’ve been to BOTH a TPer event and 99%er protests…

        I can state from direct knowledge…can you?

      • Alan

        I do know this – Flashy – at TEA Party events we run the LaRouchites and Anarchists off. The TEA PArty does NOT want to be associated with any non-Liberty loving group such as the afore mentioned and NAZIs or Communists. This whole idea of OWS as a whole being Liberty lovers is utter nonsense. I have personally witnessed the OWS crowd and we have engaged and what the OWS croud espouses is NOT Liberty! Liberty is above all else! I keep telling my representation, You legislate and let me worry about my Liberty! Liberty cannot be traded for security, for you will lose both and deserve neither!

      • eddie47d

        That is a tired old spiel from the right that Nazi’s aren’t right wingers and just another distortion from the author. Mussolini was a right wing Fascist and of the same cloth as Adolph. They both used the Christian faith to advance their agenda against the Jews. It was the Conservatives throughout history who used Christ’s death as an excuse to persecute and slaughter Jews. They both attacked and imprisoned homosexuals and had them visabally labeled as such.They both attacked tradesmen and unionists because they stood up for themselves and that didn’t fit into these leaders plans to have total control over the people. Turn the union workers into slave labor so they can be easier manipulated and paid less wages. Sound familiar today?

      • DaveH

        Flashy,
        So far I’ve seen no real information from you concerning what the OWS people are promoting. I’ve only seen you bragging about attending the events as if that makes you something special. The reporters attended the events also. So what? Whose words do we take as gospel, yours or the reporters? I say neither.

      • Flashy

        Depends on what station those “reporters’ are reporting from doesn’t it? I’m simply stating…I’ve been to both TPer events and the 99%er protests.

        When you can state the same, I’d say you are more informed and can make a decision based upon your own observations and conversations. to simply tag someone as a “scumbag’, “degenerate’ etc and never havig attended NOR spoke to the people in the ranks…you really can’t say one thing or the other with any sense of true accuracy can you?

        Also remember the adage in news..”if it bleeds, it leads”..which means the station is not going to give a report which does not contain some controversy. I have personally witnessed reporters covering a scene or press conference, skipping over the sane logical people just to get at the raving lunatic sitting in the far back corner having no affiliation with the mainstream conference folks.

      • eddie47d

        Just like the false claim that OWS has endorsed the neo-nazi’s. No such thing has happened and they are not welcomed.

      • DaveH

        Once again, Flashy, you have told us nothing of your observations about what OWS participants really want.
        Why is that?
        Do you think it impresses me that you attended? To some your attendance may be a badge of honor. To others it might be an indictment of your character. To me, your attendance is meaningless.

      • Joe H.

        Flashy,
        don’t have to attend when there are undoctored news films out there SHOWING the things he mentions!! I suppose you think it is NORMAL to have an instructor going around to the different encampments teaching them how to make a bigger spectacle of themselves on TV?? you think it is GOOD SENSE to surround the police arm in arm telling them if they want out, they have to come through THEM?? Yo0u think it is proper for two of them to be selling hard drugs from their tent in front of a two year old child living with them THERE??? How about the guy that shat on a police car? Or the FACT that they took over a homeless shelter meant for the truly homeless and then took a chance of spreading drug resistant TB? Was THAT ok??? THAT is spread by simple contact or a sneeze, a cough!! What about the innocent kid that walks down the street and has NOTHING to do with this crap and gets coughed on by these “people”?? give me a break, dude!!

      • Flashy

        Two comments Joe. One…and you beloieve the vids were undoctored why? The vids of the ACORN and prostitutes…the one so ballyhooed at the time..has now been proven fake and doctored. The other vids so hyped casting liveral and Dem organizations in a bad liught have been proven false and/or doctored. You believe these are clean/ C’mon….did you just fall off the turnip truck?

        Second…FOX McNews went to the NYC 99%er protest. There is a vid out there taping the reporter as he asked questions of the folks at the protests. Many were erudite and clearly stating why they were there…all concise, all clear, all logical and hard hitting. Guess how many of those interviews made it on FOX McNews. Yep … none. What did make it on McNews? A rambling, incoherent “interview” with one of the few who were challenged when asked anything more complex than their name.

        I am darned certain if I searched I can find many vids of TP interviews which show them to be lunatics. I have watched vids of town halls being disrupted because they would not let Americans talk with their Congressional reps. I have personally heard some of the wacked out lunatic ideas espoused …

        I discount the first, the second have had so many and been witnessed and commented on by every station and members of Congress etc they are more believeable than the denials…the third I believe since I was there.

        How many 99%er Protests have you been to to find out yourself Joe?

        Take note of one thing….not one person who has been to these protests, TPer, Democrat, Lioberal, etc…not one who didn’t have an agenda beforehand…supports the wild accusations made here. Not one. Yet….those that state these wild accusations, regurgitated ad nauseum, they’ve never been to one to ask and observe! NOT ONE !

        So who’s to be believed? Those who have been to a 99%er protest…be it a Conservative or a Liberal or a Moderate? Or someone who says “I’ve heard …” and not been to one and refuses to go to one to find out themselves?

      • DaveH

        Flashy says “The vids of the ACORN and prostitutes…the one so ballyhooed at the time..has now been proven fake and doctored”. Sure, Flashy, they were faked. That’s why at least 2 of the involved Acorn employees were fired — because they weren’t really guilty.
        Show us some evidence of that, Flashy. We sure aren’t going to just take your word for it.
        And you keep telling us that other posters have it wrong about OWS, but you still haven’t told us what the OWSers really stand for (in your very limited experience). I ask you again, why not? I’m beginning to think you haven’t really attended the events you claim to have attended.

      • DaveH

        Note also that ACORN, that innocent corporation, was disbanded. So Flashy expects us to believe that a rabidly political organization like ACORN would just disband rather than fight “false” charges?
        Propaganda doesn’t cut it here, Flashy. Just repeating lies over and over again won’t be accepted as truth on this board. We want real-life evidence.

      • rebecca

        jewish groups stand up for free speech at ows. a statement from jewish voice for peace ,ny ( jews for racial and economic justice.) As jewish-american organizations, WE REGRET that right wing media outlets,organizations and individuals have tried to undermine the occupy movement w/ unfounded accusations of anti-semitism!

      • operator

        Flashy,
        You’re just a name on a computer screen. “who are you going to believe?”..Sorry dude, but you could be a prisonor in “D” block with access to the internet. “I’ve been to…”; how do we know you’ve been to anything? All your spiel about “doctored” videos that you assure us aren’t real is just that, spiel. I’ve seen the aforementioned videos and I’ll believe what I see and hear before I give any credece to some mouthy lib that will never know what he’s missing by not thinking for himself. Liberalism may never die, but it can greatly reduced by thinking people who love freedom.

      • Mark

        I spent four weekend photographing the Occupy Vancouver, BC group. I was there when the two drug overdoses occurred, including the one death. I listened to one speaker after another recommend that all rights and liberties to choose anything about their personal lives be taken away from Canadian and US Citizens. I listened to the demonization of anyone who aspires to more than a subsistence level of living. I listened to naive children (and I mean 12 year olds) placed on stage to speak as if they knew what they were talking about and somehow wise beyond their years. I listened to the praises sung of totalitarian dictators and regimes of Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Lenin and Stalin and Obama. I listened to the marginalization of true civil libertarians like Milton Friedman. I watched 20-somethings stand side-by-side with 1960′s retreads like David Suzuki and espouse non-stop Marxist rhetoric, with no concern for personal liberty. The Utopian society they were demanding sounded a whole lot like the ant farm I had as a kid.

      • Flashy

        I was at the BC gathering. You must have been using some strong drugs since none of what you are saying was said. So what part of Vancouver were you in? Not that i’m saying you’re not telling the truth…but since I was also up there for a weekend to catch the ferry to the Island…it would be interesting to find out if we were there on the same time frame…

      • DaveH

        Let’s see. Who should I believe — Mark, who has actually said something about his witness of the OWS crowd beliefs, or Flashy, who so far has given no definitive analysis of the OWS beliefs, just self-congratulatory comments about his attendance?

      • Flashy

        Well Dave…other than we have someone saying he was there taking pics…and someone who is saying “it didn’t happen and BTW when were you there so we can see if dates match up’ … I’d say you should judge by who is not answering questions which would prove attendance and accuracy.

        I’m stating I have been to 99%er protest gatherings in BC, Seattle and portland…and i’ve been to TPer rallies in Seattle, Portland, and Medford Or. I have friends who have been to 99%er protests in other cities. i’m not an organizer…I conduct business in these cities and the protests are near where i have to go. So i see what’s going on.

        Now..i can name the places, i can tell you about things that were there etc. And i never heard nor saw what is being claimed.

        I’m just saying…people have yet to say they went and checked out a 99%er protest, yet they seem to “know” about all the “bad things’ … does that not strike you as being odd? As for someone saying they went there on four weekends, took photos and they recited what they”heard’…i’d love to know when they were there, where they were 9since there are several sites in BC) and would absolutely love to know how they heard speeches which weren’t held. He stated he took pics…if so, one would think he posted them somewhere ..logical assumption ? or was he just spending time and saving them for his own personal gallery? or perhaps…. those pics don’t represent what he’s saying?

      • DaveH

        So much chaff, so little wheat.
        I have yet to hear your observations about the reasons the OWS participants are protesting. At least the reporters are attempting to do that. You give us nothing but your own attempted self-aggrandizement.

      • Joe H.

        OH, I get it flashy,
        just because it didn’t happen on the days you were there, then the news (all of them) and the police and people that WERE there are ALL lying???? Man! What a conspiracy against the OWS we have, and only perpetrated by 1% as THEY ARE the 99%!!!! Sure Flashy, sure!!!

      • eddie47d

        At least he gets around. That is more than we can say about all the right wing quarterbacks sitting in their easy chairs bellyaching!

      • Flashy

        Just asking when he was there in case we had the same day so we can match up what we found and learned, and why those pics haven’t been posted, and i’ll also ask why he was the only one who heard these speeches since the protests are covered closely and no other reports of what he “saw” or “heard” have appeared. And you castigate me for that?

        Seems you should question the one who disappeared after making claims and being called on them…

      • DaveH

        You still haven’t told us your take on what the OWSers really want, Flashy. Why is that? Were you really there?

      • Joe H.

        Why should he post the pictures flashy? som people like you can say they are doctored whether or not the actually are??
        you keep saying you were there at at least three of the sites, but I hear NOTHING from you about what you DID see!!! What did you do, lay on your azz in a motel the whole time?? you don’t actually SEE much that way flashy!!!

      • operator

        Maybe Flashy and Eddie47d are sharing the same cell. Prison, funny farm, or ACORN office; you pick.

      • dan

        Agreed! Shame on you Chip for trying to stifle the right to protest and for trying to ridicule, demean, demonize, etc., etc. those folks for expressing and exercising their rights. And here I thought you understood the problem.

      • DaveH

        Protesting is one thing. Impeding business people from earning their livings, and destroying property is quite another.

      • eddie47d

        Like those protesting Patriots who dumped Tea in the Boston Harbour. Yes Democracy and the establishment of a decent Republic can be messy and is not pleasing to all parties.

      • Pepper

        THANK you Flashy! For Those that only listen to the “Lame stream Media”, You need to Get off your couch and go “see and hear” what is going on! YOU CAN NOT be selective in protecting the rights of only those you agree with, without loosing your own rights! Educating yourselves and others is the key. I live near a Marine base and I plan on getting an “Oath Keeper flag” to remind us all of our duty.

      • DaveH

        Think about what, Flashy? I’ve seen nothing but a lot of conjecture in your post.
        You said “No problem with the 99%ers. they are making the point that the TPers tried”.
        First of all, what makes you think they represent the 99%? They don’t. Secondly, what “point” are they making? I have seen little evidence to indicate that most of them have the slightest clue about what our problems really are. If they did, they would be centering their protests at the Capitols around the country including especially DC, instead of disrupting honest business people around the country.

      • Flashy

        Think about what? Dave…I’ll ask you the same question I’ve asked several here. Have you een to a 99%er protest? i find it very interesting that when that question is asked…it sorta gets reallll quiet ya know what I mean?

        The TPers went and held their one day picnics at capitals, yelled and screamed and shouted down any meaningful debate at town halls, and the Corporate interests took them over hook line and sinker and all the TP movement is now is yet another tool and mouthpiece for the Far right elite and 1%. The TP is so disconnected from the base that began it it has become almost unrecognizabvl excpet for being a tool used to manipulate and block any meaningful reform.

        The 99%ers? they’re sticking to the ramparts. they are causing issues with Big Corporate America. They are not being taken over by special interests even though it’s being tried.

        though I don’t have any basis … i do have the opinion…that if half you guys would go to a 99%er protest and talked..not fought, not argued…but actually talked with folks at the 99%er protests…you’d find much in common about what they are protesting. More in agrrement with common thoughts and opinions than you would disagree with. Far more.

        When you klisten to FOX McNews denigrate the 99%er protests…think about this one fact. The Hannity’s, the O’Reilly’s, the Limbaughs, the Murdochs, the Koch Bros, the Coulters…how much do you think they make a year/ Who do you think pays them that tremendous sum of money. Just what do you expect them to spout when the comman man TPers and the 99%ers rally against the very interests those folks represent !

        THINK ABOUT THAT …

      • El Gringo

        Flasht think about SOROS and all his Leftist minions. There are probably MORE millionaire Democrats, especially in Congress, than there are TP Conservatives.

      • Flashy

        El Gringo…..What are you guys gonna do when Soros kicks the bucket and you don’t have a false bogey man to kick around?

      • DaveH

        I asked you why you think the OWS attendees represent the 99%? In typical Liberal fashion, you didn’t answer.
        And you accuse the Tea Partiers of certain etiquette violations, Flashy, but provide no evidence of such. You certainly don’t expect us to just take the word of a Liberal, do you?

      • Joe H.

        Flashy,
        Think back to the town hall meetings and the loudest “shouters” shouting everybody down was the Union thugs!!! my daughter knows seven of the OWS kids that quit jobs to go to the encampments which makes them exactly what the people here say they are – HYPOCRITES!!

      • Joe H.

        Flashy,
        I’ve heard all you progs denegrate Rush, let’s see how much you actually KNOW! How many people does Rush employ?? How many at a good wage? I’ll even give you time to look it up, as I know you don’t know the answer!!!

      • eddie47d

        How many times do we have to protest Washington David H? They haven’t been listening and are in bed with Wall Street. Now we go after the businesses that are joined at the hip with Wall Street and demand that they stop their crony capitalism. Stop their cheating and lying. Stop their manipulating the economy to pad their already over bloated bank accounts. Stop the Banksters from continually finding new ways to gouge credit card holders and those seeking loans while they sit on buckets of money. Are you awake Dave or are you deliberately ignoring the serious problems that those ungrateful shysters on Wall Street have done to America. Go ahead and sit smugly at your computer and bury your head in what is really happening.

      • Joe H.

        eddie,
        Oh, so the little mom n pop shops on the streets that the OWS are impedeing are arm n arm with wall street, now??? You ARE lame!!!

      • DaveH

        Don’t patronize them, Eddie. It’s as simple as that. If you can’t find one that pleases you, put your money together with other like-minded Liberals and start your own bank. What, too much red-tape to surmount? You have nobody to blame but yourselves for that, Eddie. Besides, it’s much easier to shoot off your mouth than to actually do something useful, isn’t it?

      • eddie47d

        I didn’t know you were in the banking business Dave? Maybe you gave them all permission to rip us off and are sitting back and enjoying it too much.

      • libertytrain

        eddie have you ever been involved in running a business or in the nuts and bolts of running someone else’s business – like the bookkeeping for instance — anyone I ever have spoken to that has not done either of these things is almost totally clueless of what’s involved.

      • DaveH

        Eddie,
        Do you ever have anything real to say?

      • El Gringo

        You really are full of the commie BS aren’t you?

      • eddie47d

        ….and you are a fascist troll to the SCUMBAGS on Wall Street. That is…. if you want to play your pathetic game as the author has done.

      • Brad

        It’s called smaller government, fewer regulations, letting our economy grow beyond the 1.7% GDP now and we need to send soros back to where he came from. Of all the trolls on this blog you are the worst, calling out a persons post and for what, to call them a name before they call you one. Eddie, to me you aren’t a 60 year old god fearing man with a grandson/daughter but a young punk, paid to post your leftist swill on this site. You sir are so sad.

      • eddie47d

        Flashy is no communist and neither an I so go grope yourself to make it all feel better! Maybe when you stop writing your right wing swill we can have a mutual discussion. Until then you are the “sad one”.

      • Joe H.

        Brad,
        you might have just hit on something!! I haven’t seen eddie this upset in a long time. as we all know, the truth hurts. Perhaps eddie IS a young punk!!!

      • eddie47d

        More of Joe and his self importance! Boring!

      • Joe H.

        whatsa matter eddie? Truth HURT????

      • Brad

        Flashy,

        To bad the fleabaggers can’t make a common point all they know how to do is cry, cry, cry and whine some more then they let union thugs and the neo-navis take over their cause. Know that is sad.

    • Pat

      and your point is????

      • Karolyn

        Unless you know what you’re talking about, don’t cast aspersions. Everybody gets into an uproar over hearsay and what’s reported in the media without seeing the whole picture.

      • libertytrain

        Karolyn and you might want to remember that adage, Bloom Where You are Planted…

      • Karolyn

        liberty – I always have bloomed where I’ve been planted.

      • libertytrain

        Apparently you’ve wilted some according to your comments about SC.

      • Karolyn

        If you asked anybody who is a regular at our local little flea market (where I’ve been selling for over 6 years) about me you would only hear good things. I have bloomed quite well, given my circumstances,

      • libertytrain

        then send out some pretty buds and stop raining on your fellow South Carolinian’s parades. There are lazy people in every state (your latest accusation) including but not limited to the other 49 which does include New Jersey. Stop looking at these people as if you are in some advanced stage of awareness. Your comments about all your fellow neighbors only demonstrates you are far lower on the awareness advancement than you imagine yourself to be. Be humble little one – best go back and watch some old Kung Fu episodes to remember your humility.

      • Joe H.

        WHAM! WID A RIGHT HAND!!!!!

      • libertytrain

        her point is that where she lives they are behaving lawfully. Not hard to understand.

  • s c

    Chip, I THANK you for bringing up the neglected FACT that Communists and National Socialists [Nazis] are closet brothers. Some of the OWSers must be related to the ’60s protestors. They never did understand who or what ‘the establishment’ was
    back then.
    Now, one of the worst ‘establishment’ types, George Soros, is probably THE money connection for OWSers. They’re too damned dumb to connect the dots. One had the gall to say they don’t have a problem with the Post Office herd. Again, it’s a matter of definitions (and how incomplete one’s education is).
    So, in one sense, OWSers are helping ‘our cause.’ Most likely, they’ll never understand how, and I’ll bet they won’t ask questions, either. DUH. Follow the fuhrer, boys and girls. When you get tired of it, follow Stalin and Lenin. Opposite sides of the same frickin’ coin, airheads.

    • FreedomFighter

      “They came first for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak up because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant. And then they came for me and by that time no one was left to speak up.”

      Rev. M Niemoeller,Nazi Germany,’45; from “Political Quotations” Daniel B. Baker

      It’s Time for The Sheeple to Wake The Hell Up!!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=523FFLUBOVc&feature=uploademail

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • cawmun cents

        A better one I saw was a billboard with Adolph Hitler in the customary Nazi salute.It read:

        “Anyone for gun control,raise your right hand.”

        At the bottom of the board it said:

        “Paid for by the Jewish Defence League.”

        They seem to remember the past,will we?

        -CC.

      • Lee Baldwin

        Jews will NEVER FORGET and neither should we no matter how many times the Obozoneaus One insults them. And how for my daily diatribe. Harrison J. Bounel aka Barrack Omama aka Barry Soetoro are all the same creepy multi named guy!!! ONLY criminals have that many names.Get it, America??????? How about you folks that voted for the criminal in the first place? Do YOU get it that this guy is criminally trying to take way our RIGHTS with the help of his crony George Soros?

      • alexa

        Count the millions Hitler killed.
        Count the millions Stalin/Lenin killed.
        Count the millions Mao killed.
        Count the millions killed in Africa.
        Then try to understand why the followers love tyranny.

      • Lee Baldwin

        Jews will NEVER FORGET and neither should we no matter how many times the Obozoneaus One insults them. And how for my daily diatribe. Harrison J. Bounel aka Barrack Omama aka Barry Soetoro are all the same creepy multi named guy!!! ONLY criminals have that many names. How about you folks that voted for the criminal in the first place? Do YOU get it that this guy is criminally trying to take way our RIGHTS with the help of his crony George Soros?

      • JUKEBOX

        Obama and his minions seem to be a reincarnation of Der Fuerher, the SS, and the YOUTH CORPS, That’s not pronounced CORPSE.

      • Steve

        I am reading some uninformed comments here… Some have claimed Obama is a Nazi. How much more of this will go on? If you know the Koch family history you will know that the Grand dad of the Koch Brothers, the Tea Party itself, grew up in Germany as a Hitler Youth and he brought that here as he was a major creator and financier of the John Birch Society. The JBS, were the bigots of the 50′s. 60′ and so on with their attacks against The Civil Rights Movement and other people movements. Since the Koch Brothers created the Tea Party the Tea Party was approached several times by KKK and Neo-Nazi groups because they have so many common agendas. Do your own research in the The Koch Family History and you too will know what they and their Tea Party is really about. It is not Obama who is against the American ways of life…

        What the Koch Family wants is so dangerous for us, unless you are mega wealthy or a big enough corporation, and they will fight for total deregulation of Corporations and that includes the elimination of minimum wage and suitable working conditions if it cost the Corporations any money. The have bought the Republican party and they want the Government… If you care about America alt least know Obama is so much less harmful than the TPGOP is…

      • Vigilant

        Steve, I am reading some uninformed comments here, and they are yours.

        Your premise that the Koch Bros. formed the Tea Party is provably false and your assertion that there is any relationship between Naziism and the aims of the Tea Party is pure, unadulterated merde.

        “…the Tea Party was approached several times by KKK and Neo-Nazi groups…”

        And what were the Nazis told? Get lost, you have NOTHING in common with us! If you can’t see what’s in front of you, that the lies and violence are the earmarks of the left, then you are a hopeless case.

        So the “Grand dad of the Koch Brothers…grew up in Germany as a Hitler Youth…” So what? MY ancestors were slaveholders, what does that make me…KKK?

      • eddie47d

        The Koch’s certainly did finance the Tea Party.

      • http://deleted Claire

        The Koch Brothers are pouring money into Wisconsin’s Scott Walker to fight the recall. They also finance the tea party. They will finance anyone or anything that will do their “bidding.” At first, the Koch Brothers “hid/operated” behind various named organizations because they did not want anyone to know of their “ties” to the GOP. They have done this for years, and hardly anyone was aware of the situation or even heard of these guys. Now everyone knows who the Koch Brothers are. These guys do not want any regulations–they have been fined millions for pollution. It amazes me that some people think these guys are saints. It doesn’t take too many brains to figure out what they are up to. Look at all the other so-called wealthy people/corporations/ etc. that donate to their favorite party/candidate. Same with the Dems. It is a matter of these guys and others like them wanting to rule the world. They want to be in charge and they want things to go “their way.” I believe we all should take a closer look–do these “backers” have the interests of America and all Americans at heart? No, they don’t. America is being taken for a ride. The game of politics is destroying everything that is honorable in America.

      • http://deleted Claire

        BTW–I am the “Claire” that has all the dogs–seems like there is another Claire on this site.

      • Lee

        Ste-e-e-eve —- What the HELL have you been drinking?????

      • DaveH

        Claire,
        There are two main kinds of Governmental rules — Laws and Regulations. Laws are passed by elected officials. With laws only the businesses or people that break them are punished. Regulations are generally created by unelected bureaucrats. With regulations all businesses or people (good or bad) are encumbered, kind of like when you were in school and the teacher punished the whole class for the action of one unknown perp. We need to get out of that mentality. We need to get Government’s arbitrary meddling hands out of the Marketplace, where more often than not, they are simply aiding their Crony Capitalists in stifling their competition and consumers’ choices.
        What could the Koch brothers possibly gain by stopping regulation? They would then be on a level playing field with their competitors and it would be up to the consumers of their goods and services as to whether or not they survived, instead of being up to meddlesome corrupt Politicians. Note that pollution issues need laws, not regulations, so that the violators are punished for their trespasses and the rest of the companies are left alone to do what they do best.
        Please pick up a copy of this book, Claire, and learn what’s really going on with Big Government and their Marketplace meddling — “The Big Ripoff: How Big Business and Big Government Steal your Money”.

      • DaveH

        Steve says “they will fight for total deregulation of Corporations and that includes the elimination of minimum wage and suitable working conditions if it cost the Corporations any money”.
        Why would deregulation of Corporations be a bad thing (see my comment to Claire)? If you’d read the book I recommended to Claire, you would see that regulations are one of Crony Capitalists’ favorite tools for stifling their competition. With regulations good companies as well as bad must jump through myriad complex hoops which smaller companies often can’t afford. The larger companies can afford cadres of lawyers and accountants to jump through the government hoops. The smaller companies can’t. And more often than not, the regulations are targeted to favor the Crony Capitalist companies over those who aren’t politically connected. We need to get Government out of the Marketplace so that businesses once again survive or fail based on consumers’ choices, not Politicians’ choices.
        And as far as minimum wage goes, it just increases unemployment because companies aren’t going to hire people who don’t produce more than they’re paid. Company owners haven’t invested their money to lose money. Who would purposely? You can not create prosperity with mandated wages. If it was possible, then why doesn’t government just mandate that we should all get $100,000 a year? Minimum wage laws are good for vote-buying Politicians and Union Leaders. They’re bad for the rest of us:
        http://mises.org/daily/3261

      • Thinking About

        Vigilant, from your comment you are confirming the previous comment the TP was approached by Nazi by saying they told them to get lost. Furthermore you do not deny their grandfather was part of Nazi Germany. Glad to see this portion has your verification.

      • Vigilant

        “Thinking About,” think about this for a minute:

        I have no idea whether the Tea Party was formally approached by the Nazis. What I’ve seen is Tea Partiers put down this screwy element whenever it showed up at their rallies. Moreover, any claim to draw a parallel between neo-Nazi scum and the Tea Party is so off-base as to be laughable. The tactics of the OWS, SEIU, Wisconsin unions, ACORN, and other left wing organizations are a close approximation to the thuggery of Nazi Germany and bear no resemblance whatsoever to the well-behaved and above all Constitutionalist Tea Party.

        Then you say, “Furthermore you do not deny their grandfather was part of Nazi Germany. Glad to see this portion has your verification.”

        I don’t know and couldn’t care less if Grampa was a Nazi. It has neither my verification nor denial. The current Pope was in the Hitler Youth; does that make him a Nazi? Maybe your grandfather was a child molester or serial killer; does that make you the same?

      • Angel Wannabe

        Steve, so what of the Koch Brothers??__They’ve got money and can put it where they want, if its on the side of freedom, then so be it!__At least Koch’s aren’t trying to take over America like your buddy Soro’s ___ He collapsed the Bank of England_what the hell makes you think he’s not doing it here__Man o Man you people are naive or paid well to believe and spew this shyte!__ ya just won’t believe anything until it’s too late to do something about it…..Get a grip!!!

      • Vagabond

        FF. you are so right. but. will they. probaly not till it’s far too late. obam and the democrats have them brain washed. and they are too brain dead to realise it,

      • alex

        on tv they keep talking about our hard working teachers well the brainwashing is what they are working so hard at

      • Flashy

        And you ran for School Board when?

      • skip

        I guess what I’m more worried about that another 16 were shot dead today for no good reason by those who had their guns on them ready to go. No one killed in self defense – just wantonly shot dead. Was it the guns or was it the people behind the guns? It seems there are one hell of a lot of nuts behind the guns – are they all nuts? Please tell us what is going on here – it has never been this bad – civil discourse has been eliminated, people say something outrageous and because it is simply said, it is presumably felt to be true. The nonsense of the birthers, of the continual rolling the grenade into the outhouse to see what happens is antithetical to how a democracy must work.

      • eddie47d

        Yes Freedom Fighter you are indeed “coming after” those same people and today Chip is leading the charge. You have been “coming after” the trade unionists for a mighty long time or haven’t you noticed? You make false claims that any American that doesn’t agree with you is a Communist and you are “coming after” them in spades. I have see member here say that Catholics are not a true Protestant religion and aren’t like you so you are “coming after” them too.Like little Hitlers you continually and unabashedly “come after” Gays and are so proud of it. You blame American Jews of being too Liberal and not Jewish enough for your liking so you attack them and “come after” them also. We “sheeple” are aware of your sinister and very sneaky tactics and now you are “coming after” the OWS protesters with false bravado and vicious slander. You are no freedom fighting American but a troll for the authors puke!

      • Capitalist at Birth

        What the hell are you talking about?

      • alex

        he is taking a grain of sand and trying to make a mountain of it by misconstruing what is said

      • JUKEBOX

        Evidently he is talking about people who never read the Bible or ever studied actual history, not revisionist history.

      • skip

        Deos capitalism really require that Americans shoot themselves at the rate of 16 to 20 a day or more just for the sheer hell or anger of it? It makes Iraq and Afghanistan look like a walk in the park. If that is freedom, I don’t think our nation can survive that sort of freedom. Pretty soon we’ll be shot for a parking spot at the mall – oops – that has already happened.

        And I don’t think capitalism means that we are all on our own, no protections, no getting things done for the common good. If that’s what you want, forget about roads, stoplights, education, health care, and the like. We 99% have been raped by Goldman Sachs, AIG, Countrywide Credit, Big OIl, big Pharma – if that is the capitalism that you want, bend over and ask for more of it, but leave me out, thank you.

      • DaveH

        To understand Capitalism and it’s benefits without too much effort, read this book:
        http://www.amazon.com/How-Capitalism-Saved-America-Pilgrims/dp/1400083311

        Don’t confuse Capitalism with Mercantilism which we have now, Skip.

      • Brad

        Eddie, Eddie, Eddie,

        FF has qouted the Rev. M Niemoeller and posted his thoughts on Nazi Germany and their national socialist dream, it was a warning to all Americans. No, you have to go on the attack, that’s where you are wrong Eddie, you would have us believe in your utopian left state that unions are the bread and butter of this country but you can’t see the road due to the horses azz. You can’t see today’s unions as power hungry gestapo units terrorizing Americans and forcing others to pay their salaries through forced dues, you are pethetic eddie. You can’t see they are buying a politcal system that only has their best interests in mind (unions) a corrupt political base to enslave all of America. Well eddie I’d rather die a free man then live under your so called form of socialist government, union thuggery and redistrbution of wealth.

      • eddie47d

        Apparently Brad Brad Brad is also going after what Niemoller said and doesn’t practice what he had preached! You are more in line with that person he was referring to and need to do the waking up.

      • Brad

        Eddie,

        I want nothing more than a free United States of America whereas you want a socialistic regime with Ohmama as your dictator in chief. I’m sorry you are so full of hate and discontent for what’s right and your views towards others who think differently provide their opinion. Facts speek volumes eddie, and this is what you like about unions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPQjnPhIvDo and I can post more links to keep proving my point Eddie!!!

      • eddie47d

        Bring it on Brad for your nastiness is legendary. I think you could even give us a lesson on thuggery.

      • Joe H.

        eddie,
        instead of making a complete azz out of yourself, why don’t you try proving him wrong?? Are you not able???

      • eddie47d

        That’s been done Joe now why don’t you say something important or go take a hike if you don’t know what is being said.It could have been from yesterday so Brad could only be stirring up trouble. Kinda like you.

      • Joe H.

        BACK UP YOUR BS eddie!!! Show me where in this thread YOU proved him wrong!!! You are incapable of coherant thought! Altzheimers???

      • Ronbo

        Eddie is right. You do NOT fight for democracy and freedom by attacking democracy and freedom.

      • vicki

        I will quite happily fight for freedom. Democracy is NOT freedom. Democracy is 3000 tyrants 1 mile away. Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY has a nice section on democracy.

      • operator

        Eddie’s right?? Eddie hasn’t been right about anything. Maybe LEFT…WAY LEFT

      • Lee Baldwin

        A little LONG WINDED there, eddie47. By the way, FreedomFighter says NOTHING about your beloved OWS group of misfits.

      • eddie47d

        What do you think this article is about? Making Christmas cookies?

      • http://deleted Claire

        eddie47d–I should be making Christmas cookies!! lol

      • Adair1979

        @eddie47d I don’t know who you are listen to, but you need to check your thoughts before you scramble them up for us unfortunate readers to try and make sense out of them. Your rambles tell me that you are probably one of the pubescent that get on line and try to make an argument to get attention to ones self. I wish you would educate yourself better, so you have the knowledge to carry on a conversation that lets me know you are aware of what is really going on. Best to you.

      • eddie47d

        Take a chill I’m way ahead of Freedom Fighter and you.

      • Sam

        Adair, sorry but Eddie is like so many others that think you can “legislate” your cares away. Make a law and people will have to bend to it. Doesn’t seem to work that way in the real world where We the People live and work. There are so many laws on the books now that you don’t really know how many you are breaking and they are making it harder and harder to be a “Law abiding Citizen” But when kids see thugs breaking those laws and getting rich in a depressed neighborhood where do you think their choice will take them.

      • DaveH

        Eddie is one of those people, Adair, who needs attention so badly that he’ll take any kind of attention, even negative. Poor guy.

      • operator

        WOW, eddie. Sorry, but catholics AREN’T true protestents. They are CATHOLICS!! Ask them. You are an idiot.

      • libertytrain

        Catholics are not Protestants, they are Catholics. I think the confusion is that so many oddly state that Catholics are not Christian. And that is another erroneous statement some folks keep making. And some people for some reason keep equating Protestant with being the only Christians which is of course also someone twisting ideas —- I’ve seen some silly lady saying the Catholics are fighting the Christians in Ireland. Very bizarre how some interpret things. I understand how wars are begun with all this twisting of reality going on….

      • DaveH

        Wars are begun by Heads of State to favor their Crony Capitalists and Crony Heads of State, at the expense of the duped soldiers and the rest of the countries citizens. Why else do they need to stage false flag events and other lies to get the sheeple behind them?

      • libertytrain

        for the most part I agree and filled with false information for neighbor to against neighbor.

      • Rational

        Well said Freedom Fighter.
        When there is such a backlash with name calling, against people who are exercising their Constitutional right then there is fear they are right and must be attacked. The attacks are reminiscent of the protests put down by the Communist in Budapest, the actions taken today by Asaid in Syria and the 30 years of repression in Libya.

        Your hatred exposes your hand, and the directions given to you by Koch and others who want to dominate the discussion.

      • Wil

        You know you’re on the right track when the Soros-paid trolls start calling you names.

      • Joe H.

        Wil,
        Irrational speaks like a man with a paper wazoo who likes to play with matches!!! He soon gets burnt!!!

      • demoncratwatch

        BLISSFUL IGNORANCE seem to rains supreme among the multitudes and INDIFFERENCE or “Ill worry about tomorrow”; the Scarlet O’Hara Gone With The Wind mindset seems to prevail among many others.
        Friend Col. Jeff Cooper’s Mindset “Awareness Color Code”: White, yellow, orange and red is an apt description of the states of mind . . . and with the cellphone or the tape player ear plugs in place which is the observed status of the majority one sees, they are operating in the “white” thus oblivious of their surroundings. Officers in patrol cars are not excluded, they ‘fixed’ of there cellphone conversation and thus oblivious to what is going in the neighborhoods or on the streets as they pass through.
        “SERVE AND PROTECT”? Maybe – to some extend . . . . when they get off the phone.

    • wandamurline

      He is and Bill Ayers has been there giving information and helping organize. ACORN under their new name is having morning meetings with the leaders of the agitators and a lot of the college kids that have not a clue about how to wipe their butts, are being paid as much as $500 per week to protest. Get the picture. As the old saying goes, give them enough rope and they will hand themselves….this will implode upon itself and we only have 11 more months before we can kick Obama’s can down the road. Vote in 2012 like your very life and that of your childrens depend on it, because it literally does. America cannot survive another four years of the ineligible socialist, marxist, anticolonial POTUS we now have.

      • DaveH

        Whether we oust Obama or not, our biggest problem is Congress. Without their complicity the President would be defanged. That includes a large portion of the Republicans. Witness the National Defense Authorization Bill which 80% of the Republicans and 50% of the Democrats in the House voted For, and which includes an Unconstitutional provision allowing Indefinite Detainment for American Citizens without due process:
        http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll932.xml

        We need to ride herd on the Republican Party and withdraw support from any of their candidates who toe the establishment line. People need to recognize that the politicians are frantically trying to seal the deal before the voters become fully awakened. More evidence of that is their repeated efforts to pass some sort of Internet Bill, so they can get their foot in the door for censorship of that Media which has become the greatest enemy of the Power-mongering Politicians — The Internet.

      • DaveH

        Here is how the Senators voted on the NDAA:
        http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00218

        Both of my Establishment Republican Senators voted YEA on this Unconstitutional Bill. We need to rid the Senate of these Freedom trampling Politicians, and we aren’t going to do it by voting for the lesser of two evils, which is still just evil. We need to start voting only on Principle until they get the message that their poor substitutes aren’t going to get elected.

      • Descendent of the Founders

        This bill is an outrageous attack on liberty. ANYONE who voted for it, regardless of party, should be voted out of office. They are supposed to represent “we the people” but clearly they are serving someone else.

        Isn’t this one of the reasons we had a revolution in the first place?

      • duaner

        Well said DaveH. I am going to make sure that my anointed democrap senators from Washington State are going to be voted out of office or recalled if they vote for this piece of sh**t legislation.

      • vicki

        Hmmm. They passed the NDAA with the indefinite detention provisions?

        Hamilton has something to say about that. Federalist papers #84 he quotes Blackstone:

        “To bereave a man of life, Õsays he,Ã¥ or by violence to confiscate his estate, without accusation or trial, would be so gross and notorious an act of despotism, as must at once convey the alarm of tyranny throughout the whole nation; but confinement of the person, by secretly hurrying him to jail, where his sufferings are unknown or forgotten, is a less public, a less striking, and therefore A MORE DANGEROUS ENGINE of arbitrary government.”

        Thus if this is signed into law we must presume that the jury box is fatally compromised.

      • vicki
      • BigBadJohn

        “Witness the National Defense Authorization Bill which 80% of the Republicans and 50% of the Democrats in the House voted For”

        Dave This is exactly my problem, I do not like democrats but republicans take away your freedoms at every turn. The patriot act was another one of their great ideas. The main reason I hated Clinton was HIS attacks on civil liberties, but what he did was kids play compared to what Bush and the republicans did.

        Keep saying we need to replace all of those democrats with republicans and we will end up just like Nazi Germany with no freedom left! Detaining citizens, wasn’t that how it started in Germany with the SS knocking on peoples doors in the middle of the night?

      • alex

        BBJ when he says elect republicans he means real republicans not RINOS

      • oldtimeyman
      • Jay

        Oldtimeyman, speaking of another 9/11, there are rumours about the dilapidated UN building in New York that would cost too much to refurbish, instead, it will be used to stage a 9/11 scenario. Your thoughts?

      • Joe H.

        alex,
        Actually, I think DaveH means constitutional conservative republicans!!

      • alex

        dave the problem is that the two front runners for president are the same as those in congress so do we gain

      • Ronbo

        Both Repubs and Dems are overwhelmingly for the wealthy and powerful. They have been captured by $$$.

      • JUKEBOX

        It will have no effect to have control of Congress, as long as you have an aspiring “DICTATOR” in office who will rule by EXECUTIVE FIAT.

    • Thomas

      If you truley believe the OWS protesters are uninformed and being misled then it is your duty as a patriot to the people to find a way to educate them ie, pass out fliers post articles in newspapers, even speak at theyre protest sites. Dont go around bashing them just because they might be mis-informed, remember these people have families and are someones brother,sister, mother etc…. it may well be they havent the resources, or just dont know where to look. They are trying to do whatever they can, and are basically fighting for the same principles as we are. Yes there are a few people within the movement that cause trouble and because of this it makes thier actions seem redundant, If you want it to change then do something responsible and find a way to inform them….Thank You for your time.

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