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Is Obama An Agent For OPEC?

December 7, 2011 by  

Is Obama An Agent For OPEC?

We are staring into the face of $180-per-barrel oil. Under President Barack Obama, the Nation is not producing enough oil and is importing far too much of it from potential enemies. This is a reckless game engineered by the President, because oil is America’s economic lifeblood.

It recently become apparent that Obama either does not understand the danger the country is facing or, worse, is willing to ignore it because he has conspired with Arab oil exporters to give them dictatorial powers over America’s energy needs and economic future.

The United States is critically dependent on imported oil, consuming almost 10 million barrels of foreign crude every day. That is about three times more oil than the United States imported 25 years ago. With Obama’s restrictions on further oil exploration, especially offshore, the United States may import 18 million barrels per day by 2020.

Gang Green

“Gangrene” is a medical term used to describe the death of one part of the body. It happens when the blood supply is cut off to the affected area.

I witnessed gangrene overtake my dad’s legs after he underwent surgery on a bulging abdominal aorta at the Loma Linda University Medical Center many years ago.

I never studied medicine, but I have spent my lifetime studying economics. It isn’t a stretch to use the analogy that petroleum is the lifeblood to the U.S. economy.

Keystone Kops Or An Agent For Saudi Arabia?

Petroleum is essential for the United States. With so many hostile governments selling it to us, it would be easy to think that Canada would be America’s energy oasis. The two countries haven’t had so much as a skirmish in 200 years, and more than any other nation, Canada has stood shoulder to shoulder with the United States. So close are the two peoples that I can’t tell the difference between being in Montana or Alberta.

Both Nations have Judeo-Christian values and common law borne from the Magna Carta. American and Canadian men fought and died together during the two world wars.

On the surface it seems like a pretty simple equation:  Canada has 180 billion barrels of reserves, second only to Saudi Arabia, the kingpin petroleum producer and de facto leader of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries.

Canada has a democratically elected parliament. The House of Saud is a desert fiefdom run by a few dozen billionaire princes. Whereas Canada has combat troops stationed in Afghanistan killing Muslim militants, Saudi Arabia provides tens of millions of dollars to Islamic terrorists bent on killing Westerners.

Beyond this, Canada has been a rock-solid energy supplier to the United States. In fact, thousands of Americans work in the Canadian petroleum industry, and there are hundreds of U.S. corporations that have a large stake in further developing Canadian petroleum. Scores of Canadian corporations are traded on the New York Stock Exchange. Conversely, Saudi Arabia has nationalized its oil properties, and it implemented two oil embargoes against the United States in the 1970s.

It only makes sense that the United States would sign on to buy more Canadian crude. But with Obama, common sense is not at all common.

TransCanada Corporation is seeking Presidential authorization to build its $7.5 billion Keystone XL pipeline. The line would transport tar sands crude oil from Alberta through Montana, South Dakota and Nebraska on its way to refineries on the Gulf Coast.

A number of groups, comprised mostly of environmentalists and liberals, have banded together to oppose its construction. Obama is leading the crusade against Canadian crude.

The President said last month: “Because this permit decision could affect the health and safety of the American people as well as the environment, and because a number of concerns have been raised through a public process, we should take the time to ensure that all questions are properly addressed and all the potential impacts are properly understood.”

The President doesn’t seem concerned that 1,661-mile pipeline would deliver 700,000 barrels per day of crude from the oil sands to the United States.

The Hawaii Reporter recently ran this headline on an opinion piece: “Obama’s Catastrophic Pipeline Copout.”

David H. Wilkins, U.S. ambassador to Canada from 2005-2009, wrote:

The proposed Keystone XL Pipeline offers nothing but promise: tens of thousands of desperately needed jobs, and a big step toward ensuring North American energy security. But in mid-November, promise gave way to politics when President Obama punted on the pipeline permitting decision, delaying it until after the 2012 election. The Wall Street Journal called the decision a “Keystone Cop-Out.”

I call it a catastrophic cop-out, one with certain economic and diplomatic consequences. The decision on the KXL permit was expected before the end of this year and elected officials in both Canada and the United States rightly called it a “no-brainer.”

The project would reduce dependency on petroleum from the Middle East, a region that is rife with civil war. And what of the economic recovery that Obama promised three years ago? You would have to have been in a coma to see that things are no better and that, overall, the U.S. economy might be in worse shape than when he took office.

This gets me back to why the United States should be begging to sign this pipeline deal. It is estimated that the project would create a minimum of 20,000 well-paying U.S. jobs. That economic bonus would span far beyond all those families that could again have a wage earner and would spill over to every part of the economy, from Wal-Mart to mom-and-pop shops.

In fact, the pipeline deal will add more than $20 billion to the U.S. economy. An extra $5.2 billion in State property taxes would be collected.

Crude Consequences

The United States will have to deal with the consequences of turning its back on Canadian crude. First and foremost, Ottawa is building closer trade ties with Beijing with a great deal of emphasis on a possible blueprint that would deliver Alberta’s oil sands to the West Coast, where it could be delivered via tankers.

Last month, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper met with Chinese President Hu Jintao about future Canadian oil exports to China.

Harper said: “This does underscore the necessity of Canada making sure that we are able to access Asia markets for our energy products.”

Canada is counting on China to be a key investor in Alberta’s oil sands projects and a big buyer of crude which would flow through a proposed Northern Gateway Pipeline if Canada encounters further opposition from the Obama Administration. This will make the United States all the more dependent on Arab oil. You would think Obama would understand this. The truth might be that he understands it all too well.

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers
Editor, Myers’ Energy & Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • SMSgt Z (ret) Nam 68

    John
    You oil industry pimp
    Trans-Canada is working on an alternative route around the Sandhills and the Ogallala Aquifer.
    Canada and Mexico are the number one and two countries we get oil from.
    The Chinese want Canadian coal not oil.
    Permits are being issued for drilling in US waters.

    • Dale on the left coast

      Just a few FACTS!!!
      Canada is in the final planning stages today for a pipeline to Kitimat BC to export crude oil to Pacific Rim Countries. A smaller pipliine already exists, this would be an expansion.
      As you read this, Compressed Natural Gas plants are under construction in Kitimat to export CNG to the Pacific Rim countries.
      Coal has been exported to Pacific Rim Countries from Roberts Bank on the South Coast, a few miles north of the US Border, for many decades and continues today. Ridley Terminal in Prince Rupert also ships 1.2 million tonnes of coal annually to the Pacific Rim countries.

  • CJM

    Most folks have been aware that obammy is aiding and abetting the enemy so why is this new news? Because the oil will soon cost $180/barrel? We’ve known it would reach this sky-high price for some time now. Please tell us something new, provide the evidence, and let us get this damnable traitor OUT of the White House.

    • mark

      No one can predict the future price of oil with any certainty. And neither can John Myers. According to him the price has already doubled, we’re “staring in the face of $180 a barrel oil. That is patently false; it’s around $100. Always this fear mongering on this website! Investment firms on Wall Street have gone broke betting on the price of oil, and others have made a fortune doing the same. The commodity futures market in oil is a casino like most of Wall Street. The trend in prices looks higher now, but “experts” on oil pricing have been proven wrong again and again.

      • DaveH

        Speaking of being proven wrong time and time again, Big Government has gone hand in hand with poor economies throughout modern history. Yet, the Liberals think somehow it will be different this time. For Liberals the time trusted axiom that “Experience is the Best Teacher” has become “Hopes and Dreams, Baby, is Where it’s at, Damn the Results”.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Mark . . . . Earth to Mark . . . lol
        India and China each sell more Automobiles than the USA . . . both countries have expanding economies . . . unlike the USA, where the Kenyan in the WH has destroyed the economy and all but banned Oil and Gas Exploration. Even a dummy like you should be able to figure out where the price of oil will go in the future . . . it will only go up!!!
        Then if you add in all the “Democracy” breaking out in the ME . . . when the radical Muzzed B’Hood is in control . . . what do you think that will do to oil prices??? $180 might be considered CHEAP!!!

  • Wyatt

    @ Jim , Stop drinking the Kool-ade !

  • Wu Ming Ren

    I still think the Canadians should just for spite build the pipeline to the U.S.-Canada border and build holding tanks and refineries of their own. That would give the Canadians even more jobs from their oil, along with the revenue generated from the value-added petroleum products they would sell. They’d have jobs for refinery workers, pipe fitters, railway workers, truckers, and more for the support functions needed to feed and house the workers north of the border. They could even take the crude oil we pump out of the Bakken, refine it, and sell it back to us for profit. Isn’t it great! All those jobs. All that revenue. Lost. Because we have a bass tard in the White House.

    • T-Texas

      I saw recently where Canada may use the rail system to ship the oil

    • http://lamebrained-ideas.blogspot.com C.Davis

      And how pray tell would any of this help anyone other than the royal houses of europe and a few of their underlings? The blue whale in the living room is that the wealth of the planet is divvied up with the .9999% receiving such an infinitesimal portion as to defy any concept of reason or understanding. Now if we can only incorporate that blue whale with a pot of petunias we may somehow manage to aquire a drink that tastes almost, but not entirely unlike tea.

  • Norman Dvorak

    Do you really think that the President, Congress an the Senate have your best interest at heart? Well think again.
    They do not have our best interest at heart and we should have this changed. They think that they are better than us and I don’t think they are. They are actually worse than us or else they would take care of us before themselves. But they take care of themselves and foreign conglomerates first and to hell with the rest of the people.
    On the Canadian oil, if Obama and his cronies were truly American the they would approve the pipe line and tell the Arabs where to get off

  • Dave

    We need to all go back to the energy policy meeting behind closed doors that George W. and cronies supervised. Haliburton and Rove were together mapping out their plans for domination then and then compounded it with Haliburton running the War in Iraq for a profit.
    It was stated that the war costs would be recovered by the oil we would take as payment.

  • Old Henry

    “You would have to have been in a coma to see that things are no better and that, overall, the U.S. economy might be in worse shape than when he took office.”

    Actually to have voted for this Communist foreign national Muslim you had to be in a coma.

    It’s all part of the Hope & Change / Fundamentally Change America thaty those worthless b*st*rds voted for. This half-breed MUslim in OUR WH is absolute proof that some people are too stupid to be walking around and breeding.

    The states involved should simply get together, thimb their noses at the Commie half-breed and give the go-ahead to the Canadian company. It’s known as the Tenth Amendment.

    Or, here is a thought: How about Montana allowing a refinery to be built in that state? That way the pipe line would not have to traverse the entire country.

    • martin

      Why would anybody in their right mind want to build a refinery why we haven’t built a new refinery in over 50 years. So why start now to fix the problem.

      • T-Texas

        I can show you in Port Author Texas where there have been multi billion add ons to existing refineries with completely new units.These are not hid you can see them from the road way.

  • jopa

    justme;I just saw a brief bit on the news about this trillion dollar handout that came from the Federal Reserve interest free to Wall Street banks.That was one of the sources that triggered the muti-billion dollar bonuses.

  • jopa

    Jery says: “Are we still selling Alaskan oil to Japan”.I believe the Alaskan oil pipeline is owned by BP( British Petroleum not a company who would like to be referred to as BP beyond petroleum) and they now own the oil being pumped through the pipeline.So I guess we will have to ask the British if what was once American oil is being sold to Japan.

    • Dale on the left coast

      dopa . . . almost all pipelines in North America are owned by Corporations . . . that is why they have such a stellar safety record. If the govt owned the pipelines they would all be like the Post Office . . . BROKEN!!!

  • justme

    Didn’t I see an article somewhere the other day that recently dug up the info that while we thought that bailout under Bush was valued in the billions, there were actually trillions handed out ‘behind the scenes’? And I voted for Bush…..

  • Okie Ron

    The thing I always keep asking whenever I hear people get all shrilla for drill-baby-drilla: What makes any of you think that, under our current brand of crazy “capitalism”, Big Oil won’t club all the seals, shoot all the polar bears, take ALL of America’s oil out from under America–and dump it onto the market to the highest bidder? It’s nothing personal, it’s just BidNess. Just because these companies are IN America doesn’t mean they’re somehow miraculously SuperPatriotRealAmericans all of a sudden? They don’t have to be from America, they don’t even have to like America–they just want to get in bed with you and tell you they “love you, baby” (and no, they can’t remember your name) because They Want Your Oil. And with China, India, and the rest of Asia growing into the massive capitalist cultures that we’ve been demanding they become for the last hundred years or so, their demand for oil–their oil, your oil, all the oil they can get–will blow past America to the point that in 30 years, if they continue aping the “American Way”, we will need an extra half a planet to accomodate them. The truth is, we only ever got away with our way of life because we were 5% of the population sucking down 20% of the earth’s resources and shoveling it into landfills as fast as we can replace our Nintendo 2′s with Nintendo 2.5′s. So, by all means, continue to waste your time ranting on Obama’s HommasexualCommanistSocialistNaziAmerica-hatingKenyan Hitler Moustache, if it keeps you feeling good about yourselves. But while you’re at it, do the math. And, for god’s sake, pick up a book once in a while.

    • Doc Franklin

      Corporations that have no loyalty to their nation of origin should be either heavily penalized or excluded from access to such resources. I’m a capitalist, but not a crony capitalist. It has been the crony capitalists in bed with the elitists in our government who have created the quagmire we currently face as a nation.

    • DaveH

      We haven’t had Capitalism (Free Markets) in this country, Ron, for a very long time. And why do you think that if we did, Corporations would run amok and not be responsible for their trespasses? It sounds to me like you’ve bought hook, line, and sinker into the Green fear-mongering propaganda.
      Speaking of reading a book, Ron, please pick up a copy of this book at the library or buy one. It will be the best purchase you ever make. The blinders will be lifted:
      http://mises.org/store/How-Capitalism-Saved-America-P260.aspx

    • Dale on the left coast

      Ron . . . a few corrections!!!
      America has used 25% of the energy of the world for decades, but . . . America has also had 25% of the World’s Economy. Reducing the energy demands, as the marxist in the WH is doing TODAY, also reduces the Economy. So 20%+ unemployment will become the NORM.
      America is one of the cleanest countries on the planet, drilling for oil won’t change that and since known reserves could last as much as 100 years, we could sell to other countries . . . to counter our negative trade balance, have a balanced budget and pay down the national debt.
      Or we could follow the enviro-whacks into part-time green expensive energy and live like our great-grandparents in the 19th century . . . its your choice!!!

      • Okie Ron

        To say that conserving energy and improving efficiency is a little like saying computers are going to take jobs away from people who could be hand-calculating everything on an abacus.

        I’m not challenging the idea of drilling or not drilling; I’m just asking the question; What incentive is there for the oil companies to channel their profits into cheaper gas prices for Americans? To regulate them into somehow doing that would be like a socialist nationalization of our resources. So let’s just be honest with ourselves. We’re going to give all of our oil, create some jobs, but with the knowledge that the oil that comes out from under our soil is going to be dumped on the world market to the highest bidder and/or speculators who will run the price up–they’d be Uncapitalist not to do so. And with emerging nations having increasing demands for oil, none of that will translate into cheaper prices for us…and while alternative energy sources are not immediately available, we need to stop thinking in the old paradigm that we can hide our head in the sand and an increasingly shrinking world is going to continue to give us the same life that our grandparents had.

        Our only way out of that is to not keep kicking the can of alternative energy down the road, but to begin phased and thoughtful development now–along with conservation of energy. Urinating oil out on the ground because we can at present is not the same thing as saying that it makes sense to do so. And being behind the development curve of new technologies will not “create jobs”–unless you’re talking about fast food jobs, maybe, in the short term.

        All of our new job and technology booms came from the economy of scale needed to undertake major projects than scattered corporations would ever be willing to do on their own.

        Eisenhower’s Interstate Highway Act–Big Gov’t money spent to connect the country (and plenty of conservatives HOWLED about big government interference in capitalist road-building, though they’d never have been able to get organized enough to do it themselves).

        The Rural Electrification Act of 1937–New Deal big government at it’s most frightening, created an infrastructure that allowed capitalism to make billions off of providing electricity and goods to people in the rural south (and conservatives howled).

        The Big Government ENIAC project, in conjunction with the University of Pennsylvania and the DOD, gave us the computers that we’re chatting on right now.

        The big-government defense program that created ARPANET became, once turned over to public use–the internet. Al Gore didn’t create it, but the government did.

        Reagan took a Big Government boondoggle called the “Global Positioning Satellite System”–and revolutionized our way of life, we use GPS constantly and business has made trillions off of it.

        I guarantee you that every one of those had a hundred “Solyndras” in it. So did NASA. How many rockets blew up on the pad to get America to the moon? These Republicans that are beating that dead horse have already said why they’re doing it: they wanna hand Obama his Waterloo. That’s all the further they can see.

        I’m suggesting that, when America should be developing the next New Thing–the Next Job Creator–, we are blunting down with a fanatical religious fervor that somehow governement has destroyed everything, all the above list notwithstanding. And corporate capitalism unbridled, which has given us junk bonds, credit default swaps, and endless clever ways to line the pockets of people at the top while laying off vast quantities of workers–is somehow miraculously from Jesus.

        There’s got to be a third way, there’s got to be a better way. And we’re wasting time debating big-government/no-government in these black-and-white religious beliefs that make the Talibann seem like a bunch of flaming liberals. We’re hunkered down and stopped doing the thing America does best–working together in partnerships with government and industry–and the Chinese and who-knows-who-else, out there right now investing in their future are going to be unable to sell us the technologies we should’ve developed because we’re too broke to buy them.

        And then who do we blame? Them? For handing our hineys to us doing the very thing we taught them to do? We showed them for decades how government and industry could innovate, and they’ve imitated us faithfully.

        Us? We’re spinning in circles hating one another, finding ways to hand each other our “Waterloo”. And we’re so uneducated, we don’t even understand how the world works anymore, and that history is passing us by.

        It’s late. Maybe it’s not too late.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Ron . . . didn’t Big Govt give us the Post Office?
        Some countries have their Health Care rationed by the Govt . . . never seems to work out well . . .
        Things like National Highway System, Defence, Border Security, Military are necessary and that is the JOB of the Feds. The federal govt certainly didn’t invent the computer, or contribute to the thousands of brilliant inventions of free thinking, creative Americans over the decades.
        The problem today . . . is the over-reach of the Feds that is suffocating the inventive creative spirit in the USA. From the Out-of-control Greenies to the one-size fits all healthcare, micro-managing from Washington and excess taxation on the motivated classes.
        And anyone who is paying attention to events in the world today, it is painfully obvious where we are going if the present course is not ALTERED . . . and the sooner the better.
        As we watch the Euro countries get their credit rating lowered en masse . . . as one by one they fall into DEFAULT . . . those with their lights on are saying . . . will the Euro be with us this time next year? So my question is Why do so many in Washington want to take us down the road to Equality of the masses? If that is what you want . . . move to Cuba – working well there.
        The continual bashing of corporations makes no sense . . . do you have mutual funds, stocks, a pension? Where are these dollars invested? Why in large corporations . . . so if you want to increase your net worth . . . does it make sense to bash the very folks that can raise your boat???
        The Financial Collapse was CAUSED BY THE GOVT . . . the two thugs that wrote the new regulations that are hampering any kind of recovery are the same two that drove us over the cliff . . . wake up folks 2012 will soon be upon us. Four more years of “Hope and Change” will actually be “2015 Greece”.

  • 101stRECON68

    How about we learn from the Chinese and barter with other countries for the things we need. We can trade nuts for oil and precious metals. We can start with the endless supply of nuts in DC.

    • Doc Franklin

      That could be done, but you would need truth in labeling! There are nuts, and nuts with NO nuts!

  • Jamie

    CONGRESS SHOULD GET SOME BALLS TELL OBAMA TO RESIGN OR SHOW ALL HIS RECORDS HES HIDING.TIME FOR CONGRESS TO TAKE CONTROL AND TELL OBAMA WHAT TO DO asap or impeach him.

    • fiscalsoundbiteme

      AMEN!!!!

    • T-Texas

      Please do not impeach the kenyan,arrest him and charge him and his whole illegal regime with treason and the ones that cannot be charged with treason charge them with aiding and abiding the enemy.

    • BrashMonkey

      No, Congress will not impeach him. They don’t have the nads for that, besides most support him. I do have a thought about the pipeline though. Why, instead of building a pipeline from Canada to the refineries in Texas don’t we simply build a refinery up near the US/Canadian border? We need more and newer refineries in this country anyway, and it seems to make a hell of a lot more sense to do that then to build a pipeline which might result in an environmental disaster at some point?

      • DaveH

        That sounds like a good idea, Monkey, and maybe it would be done by Free Markets if the environmental lobby and Big Government weren’t impeding Progress every way they can. Maybe someday people will finally awaken and get Government the heck out of our Marketplaces so that people can once again trade voluntarily with their fellow citizens and make this country the best it can be.
        For Free Markets, and so much more, Vote Libertarian. Quit being shackled to the Democrat/Republican paradigm:
        http://libertarianparty.org/issues

      • Dale on the left coast

        “Build a refinery by the Cdn Border”?
        Problem no 1 . . . the population there is very sparce, so what do you do with the products? Transport them down the freeways for thousands of miles in Tanker Trucks? Not very smart I would suggest.
        I only makes sense to transport crude oil in pipelines to large population centers where refineries already exist. There are tens of thousands of miles of pipelines in North America . . . and problems are few. As the Cdn PM said “This pipeline is a NO-BRAINER” . . . pretty much sums up the Kenyan in the WH.

  • Doc Franklin

    Went to war for oil? What a red herring! How much oil are we getting from Iraq ………. answer zero. Arab spring? What a putz! The Muslim Brotherhood will rule Egypt and Libya, not to mention the fact that Greater Persia will be re-united shortly after we leave Iraq ….. giving Iran complete control of a potential 20 million bpd production. With Egypt and the Brotherhood controlling the Suez and Iran and Iraq controlling the Straits of Hormuz, a complete stranglehold on middle eastern oil we be complete, hence $300 barrel oil without considering the demise of our currency due to massive increases in deficit spending, all engineered by your BOY in the White House. Why did we help destroy Kaddaffi, it was to deliver our latest and greatest ground weapons to the “Arab Spring”, many of which our own troops don’t have. These will be used against us. You sir are obviously naive beyond comprehension. Go back home and worship your Obama portrait.

    • T-Texas

      When bitch clinton get through with the rioters in Syria we will have another extreme Islamic country to deal with.

      • Flashy

        I know ! Assad and khaddafy and Mubarak…they are such good friends to the US eh? We shouldn’t have done anything to toss them out. All tehy did was blow up a few airliners, bomb a couple of military bases, finance a small number of fanatcial terrorist organizations. heck….we should have done everything we could to keep them healthy and in power.

      • Dale on the left coast

        You ain’t seen nothing yet Flashey . . . the new regemes will make Mubarak and Kadaffey look like . . . well kind of more like . . . Dimmicraps

    • archangel0804

      You are SPOT ON, Doc!!!

  • Kevin

    I want to preface by saying I am NO fan of Obama (I am a conservative) and I think his presidency has hurt us in every way, but why is this blame directed mainly to him? We have been using Saudi oil for decades now and Canada has always had a surplus for our use. Obama has only been in office for about 3 years. Other presidents, both Democrat and Republican, have supported Saudi Oil and bans on drilling in the US. I am in no way defending Obama, I just legitimately want to know why it is we insist on supporting these Middle East terrorists? I can’t believe it has always been to appease the enviromentalists. Can anyone explain to me why this is happening? Why are we so eager to please the Saudis? I have had this discussion with many people and whether conservative or liberal, I don’t feel I have heard anything that has any merit. Can you explain it as it really doesn’t make any sense to me…

    • fiscalsoundbiteme

      Blame goes directly to the incompetent in charge because he REFUSES to allow any oil other than the oil from the muslim brudderhood into this country for use!!!! WAKE UP Snowflakes, the coal dust is settling in!!!

      • Kevin

        Again, I’m not defending Obama, but we have always done this no matter what party the president. It has to be part of some BIG conspiracy… I can see no way around that, but my question still stands: what are we gaining by supporting the Middle East? is our government in league with them?

      • Dale on the left coast

        Kevin . . . I know this is really complicated and hard to comprehend . . . but . . . here goes, the Saudis fund terrorism all over the world, including Madrass schools and camps in the USA. We give them billions of dollars every month.
        As far as I can tell, Canada does none of these things . . . so . . . I would suggest that replacing Saudi oil (Conflict Oil) with Canadian oil (Ethical Oil) would lighten the bank accounts of the Saudis and perhaps reduce the amount of terrorism in the world.
        Plus sending the money to Canada would also stimulate the US economy, because many Canadians own property and vacation in the US. We remember what happened the last time a group of Saudis Vacationed in the US . . . don’t we???

      • eddie47d

        Dale finally made some sense. Since the price of oil is on the world market there won’t be much difference who we buy it from. Although Canada would be a much better trading partner. I almost hate to say this but taking (buying) oil from Saudi Arabia keeps it out of the hands of the Chinese. If China has a hard time finding oil that could strengthen our economy or at least keep them busy. That is an ugly choice in dealing with the Saudis but something to think about.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Eddie . . . “keeps in out of the hands of the chinere”?????
        They have bought up much of the oil reserves in Africa in the last couple of years, plus large investments in the Oil Sands in Canada, not payin attention again???
        Canada is building a pipeline to the West Coast to sell oil to the Chinese.
        eddie . . . the world will go on with or without the USA . . . with the current administration you are getting left behind.
        How did you feel when the rigs from the Gulf went to Brazil to drill for Petrobras? The O sent billions to Brazil to help Petrobras, but a major shareholder in Petrobras is Soreass . . . a frequent visitor to the WH . . . is this a problem for you???

      • eddie47d

        Hey Beavis stop playing Butthead or you’ll keep confusing yourself. I know about the pipeline to Canada’s West Coast and yes some of that oil could go farther West. No different than Alaskan oil going to Japan.That is also part of the world market and Alaska doesn’t always have a say in that. Stop beating that Petrobras baloney. It’s the Import/Export Bank that handles that Not Obama Not Bush Not Clinton Not Reagan or any other President.Do you wake up in the morning just to see how spiteful you can be? China also bought leases in Brazil and off of the coast of Cuba so get that chip off of your shoulder!

      • John Frykman

        Very little of our oil comes from the middle east. The vast majority of it comes from Canada, Mexico, and, yes, Venezuela. Only 1/7 of our oil comes from the Persian Gulf, and 70% of that is sourced from Saudi Arabia.

        Educate yourself: http://205.254.135.7/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm

      • Kevin

        Thanks for the link… I’ll do just that!

      • Doc Franklin

        You are absolutely correct, we get very little oil from the middle east.

      • T-Texas

        This the reason that olepileofsheet set Soros up to sell us the Brazilian crude.

      • Doc Franklin

        Soros buys huge block of Petrobras Stock, Obama et al awards Petrobras USD 6 Billion to develop their off shore oil fields. No back scratching going on there!

      • eddie47d

        Those loans to Petrobras were approved by the US Import/Export Bank not the US Government. The original loans were given the okay during the Bush tenure and the newer loans were given approval during the Obama years. Neither President can approve or disapprove those loans so the political connection is mostly bogus.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Obammy made the decision to say “Yea” or “Ney” on the Petrobras donation . . . just like he made the decision on Solindra and other Green disasters.
        But Obammy did make the decision to close down the Gulf which sent the Rigs to Brazil . . . to drill for Soreass Buddy . . . aka The Puppet Master.
        What do you think eddie???

      • eddie47d

        He did not say yea or ney…do you have a comprehension problem on that issue. It’s not Obama’s call!

      • DaveH

        As you pointed out earlier, John, oil is a fungible commodity, and it doesn’t really matter where we get it from directly. What does matter is how much we use.
        And why do we use so much? It couldn’t be the war machines we have all over the world, could it? Nah.
        It couldn’t be our Politicians jetting all over the world at taxpayer expense, could it? Nah.
        I long for the days BEFORE Government became an integral part of the Marketplace at the rest of our expense.
        Government consumes 40% of our GDP. I’m sure a lot of that is in oil.

    • Alan

      I think it was Bush Sr. that gave us: “We must support a minimum $75.00 per barrel oil prices to keep the region stable.” And then I do believe it was Clinton that told us: “The price per barrel directly correlates to the stability of the Middle East.” all these plutocrats have done is set energy policy directly in line with ME stability. I do remember after Desert Storm, I was returning from Kuwait, when the Kuwaitis asked for their Emir NOT to be returned. We reinstalled the buffoon that had abolished their parliament and yhad set up a Quasi-Dictatorship. It is true about the Plutocrats’ oil profits have driven our energy policy for decades.

      I do NOT support the current Plutocrat-in-chief’s ideas of an abysmal energy policy in “green” technologies.

      Being in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, I can safely inform you that Photovoltaics and wind-turbine production cannot take us safely into the future off of oil. I do believe that prudent research into Thorium and a refurbishing effort of our aging elctrical grid infrastructure would go along way!

      I do NOT advocate for bridge building! I advocate for more trains on electricity (which polute just as much but carries more product than trucks). I do advocate for abolishing the USDOT and make all truck deliveries local. This would allow for more product to be railed at a better efficiency whilst removing the need for trucks that burn up oil faster than we can extract it out of the ground.

      I have always been an advocate for mass transit of product while preseving individual liberty to own a car, go anywhere people please, and have the fundemental right of freedom of individual movement. Albeit, all the complaining in the world will not change the fact that the usurper in the WH will not listen to reason at all!

      • Doc Franklin

        PBR Hybrid reactors (if the morons in the EPA and the terrified ignoraminati in the public allow it) are the future of world wide energy independence. They are self modulating, consume 99% of their fuel (lower grade uranium-thorium), produce no weapons grade plutonium, produce vast quantities of hydrogen as a by-product, require no cooling towers, have an extremely small footprint, can be built modularly, and the spent fuel is 99% recyclable. There is enough fuel available to power our energy needs for several MILLION years. This would truly make electric vehicles non polluting and allow everything to be liberated from fossil fuels excepting aircraft and seagoing vehicles (excepting those large enough to justify reactors). Rail car delivery of goods is beyond question and by far and away the most efficient means by a massive margin. Tractor trailers should be used for local movement rather than for long hauls. Naturally, this makes way too much sense for our government to consider, especially since it would not allow the pseudo-greenies to keep robbing us.

      • DaveH

        I advocate, Alan, for Government to BUTT OUT of the Marketplace. If any enterprise is indeed good for the country, it will pay for itself in a Free Market. Government only steps in and throws good money after bad when an idea is only viable when subsidized with money from unwilling Taxpayers.
        See here about the Train example:
        http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11231

        What I still haven’t run across is a study on the impact that those “efficient” trains have on traffic across the country. If they aren’t built above road level they impede traffic, thus wasting time and money for the impeded motorists, many of whom sit at the train crossings with their cars running, polluting the air and wasting fuel. Has anybody factored in those wastes of fuel when they talk about the “efficiency” of trains? I doubt it. And of course, if they are built above ground, or below ground, that is also very costly.
        The problem with most “solutions” presented by Government to the Taxpayers is that the Taxpayers are rarely presented with the true costs of such endeavors.
        Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution.

    • http://lamebrained-ideas.blogspot.com C.Davis

      It’s really pretty simple, once you know the game. The powers that be (Illuminati) know that there really is no entity capable of seriously challenging their military industrial enforcer state (US) so in order to continually stir the pot generating profits for their minions and consolidating power and control for themselves they have a division which goes around financing and arming future enemies so that justification can be made for continuing and escsalating arms production, R&D, and internal security(police state at home.)
      Saudi Arabia is only the leading supporter of terrorism because their ruling family are crypto-co-religionists with the world’s ruling junta. Can anyone make a serious argument as to why this flea should represent any distress or impediment to the current U.S.”steal everything you can with both hands from those sand N——” paradigm?
      No our aquiescence to the current state of affairs in the ME is merely a manifestation of the operation of a well oiled machine, lovingly provided by the ruling elite who love you(sarc.)but really just want you to die(for your own good, of course.)

    • Jerry

      Kevin, We are probably saving our oil until we use up the rest of the world supply. Then ,we will be the only nation with oil. But, with Osama in office, I don’t think we can survive as a nation that long.

  • Ted Crawford

    Nearly everything he has done or even attempted to do is ristrictive of our economy. From the Moratorium in the gulf, to his unleashing of Lisa Jackson and the EPA, to his recent attack by the Department of Labor on our Farming Communities! At some point even the most ardent sceptic should get a clue!

    • Warrior

      Unfortunately Ted, there’s at least 50% who don’t, won’t or can’t.

  • jerry

    Question, Are we still selling alaskan oil to Japan?

  • PATRIOT 101

    This president has presided over the biggest transfer of wealth in the history of the planet!
    This is about global re-distribution of wealth. Take from the White Christians and give to the Isalamic nations for either oil or aid.
    The other thing about this is giving away our money in either aid or for oil diminishes our dollar and brings this country closer to economic collapse. This was (and still is) the goal of this president.

    • JIM

      WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP! YOU MUST BE ANOTHER UNINFORMED REPUBLICAN.WE ARE STEALING THE OIL FROM IRAQ FOR 2 DOLLARS A BARREL. MORE TROOPS WERE GAURDING THE OIL FIELDS THAN BAGDAD.HALIBURTON IS REALLY GETTING RICH ALONG WITH BSH AND CHENEY

      • John Frykman

        Please supply us with your source for your outlandish claims about $2.00 Iraqi oil?

        Oil is a fungible resource. It has a world market price, no matter where it is delivered and no matter where it comes from. The oil pumped in Iraq enters the market just as oil from the US does. Both suppliers have and impact on world and therefore local prices.

        Please connect your brain to your fingers when you type.

      • Old Henry

        Thank you Mr. Frykman.

      • http://yahoo Lu Ann

        You sir, are spilling the load of crap! Keep smoking that crack!

      • Doc Franklin

        Show me the proof! I wish it were true that we were “stealing” Iraqi oil for $2.00/barrel. The way I see it, Iraq owes us at least ten billion barrels of oil to even the score at $100/barrel. If your statement were true, the international market would have oil priced at roughly $20/barrel and OPEC would be screaming at the top of their lungs.

      • fedup

        Jeez Jim! You are kinda going out on a limb to blame Bush and Cheney for what Obama has just pissed away. Just look at it rationally would ya. Come on! Enough with the name blame game and just fess up, Bush on his worst day is better than Obama on his best, and that is saying alot considering Bush was awful!!! Anyone out there that is a strong Bush supporter, all I gotta say is “Patriot Act”. Enough said.

      • Old Henry

        Jim:

        Look closely at your keyboard. On the far left just above the Shift Key is one labeled CapLock. I suggest you consider using it.

        Thank you.

      • PATRIOT 101

        Jim,
        Maybe if you holler louder you will be more believable. I doubt it. Your $2.00 a barrel oil conspiracy is about as crazy as it gets. Why don’t you come up with a receipt for a truckload of that oil?
        You must really be on some really heavy duty Kool-aid!
        Of course I’m sure you will re-post with the documentation for your $2.00 oil. Can’t wait!

    • fiscalsoundbiteme

      You got that perfectly RIGHT!

    • Doc Franklin

      DAMN RIGHT!!!

    • JUKEBOX

      Has anybody ever wondered “WHY?” Millionaires and Billionaires like Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, etc. are so eager to “SPREAD THE WEALTH”, but not their personal wealth. They will claim “POLITICAL IMMUNITY”.

      • Old Henry

        Well JUKEBOX, as I am sure you are aware, when they talk about “spreading the wealth” it is the Middle Class’ wealth. The millionaires such as you mentioned write the tax lawa and they can manuver them so they can hide their wealth.

        These career criminals are pond scum and need to be GONE.

    • Flashy

      patriot…I don’t suppose you have a valid reliable source for the claim about the transfer of wealth do you? Didn’t think so …

      • PATRIOT 101

        You really can’t “get it” on the transfer of Wealth? We are paying Arab muslims $100.00 – $150.00 / barrel for oil running huge defecits doing so. Let’s see if you can figure out where the wealth ends up? Hint: Arab muslims
        Now lets see if you can figure out where the debt ends up.
        Hint: American taxpayers
        Maybe now you can figure it out. Real complicated.

      • Flashy

        Ahhh..so when you claim “transfer of wealth”…you’re actually stating being reliant upon the free market for oil is draining us. OK…i can go with that.

        Which is why I advicate getting the heck off of oil as soon as possible, and not blindly saying “drill baby drill” so as to prolong the inevitable. So this massive transfer of wealth is not just the past three years..and you don’t oppose the policies and programs which will someday wean us from the oil addiction and an outmoded form of energy aka oil and fossil fuels. Correct?

    • action not words

      Agreed, but more accurately the goal of the UN and all members there of. See agenda 21 signed by Bush sr. in 1992. People a New World Order is not a conspiracy but more a reality that we are moving into and realizing everyday. What your seeing is a very intricate laid out plan to level the playing field so that all are minions of the state and impoverished to the same levels as to enforce one government. What this means is the American people need to be as poor and as easily controled as citizens of third world countries.

  • Warrior

    On a more personal note, I support this 1000%. Tis the season for giving.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_4I-8Fsu68g

    • Old Henry

      Warrior:

      Dat a goodn! Thank you so much! I needed a good chuckle this morning. Y’all brightened my day.

  • Patriot1776

    We need for congress to step up and do their job. We have a president who is ruling by executive order, going around the Constitution to further his agenda and congress is sitting on their hands doing nothing but declaring pizza sauce a vegetable! Where are the representatives of the people? We need this pipeline, we need to stop exporting gasoline until gas prices get under $2 a gallon so that the average person has more spending money in his pocket. We need a government of the people, FOR the people, BY the people, not this pretend government of socialist perverts lining their pockets and helping their crony’s.

    • Old Henry

      Patriot:

      Granted the House is controlled by Republicans, but we must not forget that it is overseen by Boehner who seems to be on the inside.

      The Senate is still controlled by Little Barry’s fellow communists – Reid / Turbin, so that is hopeless. Even if the Republicans had control it would be McConnell running the show – soooo…

      We need to “figer” out a way to come up with about 70 more Rand Pauls and 300 more Ron Pauls. Until that happens the Communist Soetoro and the criminal Bush will continue to run free.

    • action not words

      More often than not the Illuminati sponsor both sides to have a game to entertain the ignorant public. They decide who will be the next president, and they see to that their man wins, even if they have to cheat like they did in Florida when President George W Bush “won” over Al Gore. Even if their pre-elected candidate for some reason can’t win and the other candidate does, they just go to Plan B, which is very well structured and prepared before hand, should this happen. So basically, no matter which candidate wins the race, THEY win. They control both the Democratic and Republican parties. Most president campaigns are financed with drug money, which is understandable when you understand that the Illuminati run the drug trade industry as well (more about this elsewhere on this website). Elections are really not necessary, but they let us vote so we can have a game, and by letting us do so, they pretend to follow the Constitution. It gives us an illusion of choice

  • Flashy

    “A number of groups, comprised mostly of environmentalists and liberals, have banded together to oppose its construction. ”

    So local landowners and farmers in Nebraska are now labelled “liberal’ for not wanting a pipeline and roads through their fields and damaging crops and endangering the farm? Wow …

    Please not that since Pres. Obama has taken office, imports of oil have decreased, domestic production increased, and overall consumption of oil decreased…while alternative greener energy production has gone up.

    Also note that the Keystone XL pipeline will take over 15 years to complete…and the review is slated to take one year. Not much of a delay when compared to construction (most of which during that year will take place in Canada..i.e. no real loss of time)

    One could also take notice that rebuilding our infrastructure will save this nation BILLIONS in oil consumption.

    You can also chalk up that it wasn’t Obama who took us to war for oil…and the Conservative GOPers who now denigrate this admin were the very ones who sacrificed the nation’s young men and women for a war which cost us trillions. For oil and to enrich their buddies in the military-industrial complex.

    No doubt there will be post after post screaming about this administration, how it’s tied to the ME shiekdoms etc. (Ignoring the Arab Spring and our role in liberating the populace). But ask for details? HA! Those who denigrate can’t provide much fodder for the hot air blown. And dig deeper into the claims, and it’s Congress that is the delay and barrier. Dig deeper yet…and it’s the Pary of
    “no” putting our nation at risk until their wealthy cronies get thier massive payoffs and the military graft ridden system is taken care of at our expense.

    Chew on that for awhile.

    • Monte

      Too bad, Flashy, we can’t put your hot air to use. It seems an unlimited supply.

      • martin

        Yes if he would be front of a wind machine think of all the extra electricity we would have.

      • Flashy

        FYI…the opposition to the pipeline came mainly from farmers and landowners in nebraska petitioning the Feds for a review of the environmental impact of said pipeline. The Enviro’s are also involved…but it was the two Senators who pushed the admin for the delay. it’s on record for those who want to look it up. Same with oil production and consumption…it’s on record.

        that’s the problem with many here…fact is fact yet you don’t want to recognize it.

      • Opal the Gem

        “FYI…the opposition to the pipeline came mainly from farmers and landowners in nebraska petitioning the Feds….”

        As you have said else where in the comments Flashy sources, sources, sources. And while you are at it give the reasons they they are opposed to it.

      • eddie47d

        You think they need facts Flashy? “They don’t need any stinking facts”!

    • fiscalsoundbiteme

      Sure, as long as you quit chewing on Obammy’s excrement! There’s one in every crowd, Libertards who have only learned how to blame others and NEVER are wrong…listen stupes, Oblame-ya is STILL “fighting” for the oil or haven’t you been watchin’ the news in the past 3 years???? Morons! Gotta love em, but they need to be in cages

    • Doc Franklin

      Went to war for oil? What a red herring! How much oil are we getting from Iraq ………. answer zero. Arab spring? What a putz! The Muslim Brotherhood will rule Egypt and Libya, not to mention the fact that Greater Persia will be re-united shortly after we leave Iraq ….. giving Iran complete control of a potential 20 million bpd production. With Egypt and the Brotherhood controlling the Suez and Iran and Iraq controlling the Straits of Hormuz, a complete stranglehold on middle eastern oil we be complete, hence $300 barrel oil without considering the demise of our currency due to massive increases in deficit spending, all engineered by your BOY in the White House. Why did we help destroy Kaddaffi, it was to deliver our latest and greatest ground weapons to the “Arab Spring”, many of which our own troops don’t have. These will be used against us. You sir are obviously naive beyond comprehension. Go back home and worship your Obama portrait.

      • Dave

        I remember George W. and cohorts stating that the cost of the Iraq war would be made up by crude we would get from them.

      • T-Texas

        But it is not as you have implied.He was talking about having a source that we could buy from.We did not steal any oil from Iraqi.

      • Doc Franklin

        Unfortunately, that never materialized, and now, it never will. Bush started right, but then catered to the PC crowd and the Europeans. The whole mess in Iraq, which could have been a great move, has turned out to be an expensive waste of our resources and a tragic loss of our American patriots lives and limbs. Not declaring martial law, not cleaning out the Iranian puppets (Sauder sp?, et al) and not demanding repayment in oil will all come back to haunt us and in retrospect, only because of the poor manner in which it was handled, history will show it to have been a complete and tragic folly in which our young men were maimed and died for nothing.

      • Old Henry

        Yeah, but ole Shrub got the guy who tried to killhis daddy…

      • Old Henry

        Doc:

        I wonder if he might have his laptop under Little Barry’s desk…

    • Doc Franklin

      With real unemployment at 19% and the businesses where they worked idle, not to mention that those folks don’t need to commute to a non-existing job, gee, oil imports are down ……… what a shock. It has nothing to do with intelligent economic or energy policy, and everything to do with your Marxist Messiah shackling the American economy. I love how you Marxists never tell the rest of the story.

      • Flashy

        Doc..domestic oil production is up. Can you blame that on the recession? Overall energy production is up. Again… a result of the recession?

      • Doc Franklin

        Assuming you are accurate (and I confess I don’t know the net numbers, so am accepting your premise as valid for the sake of argument), it is most likely from increased production in the Bakken and new injection technologies they are using in Southern California, I should point out that this is being done by private concerns and individual investors risking their capital, not something the bozos in Washington are doing. Also, if the Gulf was re-opened to American Companies (take note that all foreign concerns are still able to drill where we can’t ……. by presidential edict), and the Alaskan fields opened up, we could over time (in the absence of irrational EPA agenda driven restrictions) become energy independent. So we still are paying huge amounts of money for oil in large part because of government shackling and supporting those who hate us (not directly by purchases, but by competing for oil on the international markets, thus increasing the price at the wellhead) and those who would destroy us.

      • Flashy

        Doc…I erased the link from my browser history but the production figures are accurate. Where we seem to differ on this issue is that in my view, dependency on oil is not a good thing. It’s a finite resource limiting us in modernization and building a better future. It’s an old outmoded technology which needs to die a quick death rather than slowly strangle us as it runs out.

        Even if we somehow find enough domestically to eliminate a reliance on foreign oil, the rest of the world doesn’t have those resources..and the price will still go up. So unless you also advicate price controls on domestic production…we still suffer and enrich our enemies.

        Think of what we could accomplish with electrical energy and autos etc if we tossed the amount of monies towards that research that we currently give away to Big Oil. Ya think American ingenuity would find a way? I do….

      • eddie47d

        There is plenty of oil being drilled here and now in the USA. In Colorado,W. Texas and in North Dakota. Doc knows why the Gulf was shut down but like so many he can’t resist the bashing of the President.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Sure oil exploration is UP Flash . . . but its only UP from the almost total shutdown the Bamster imposed after he took office . . . then he shut down the gulf . . . after the very-suspect BP fiasco.

      • eddie47d

        More right wing clap trap and conspiracies.

    • Vagabond

      flashy you really need to lay off the KOOLAID bud,

    • John Frykman

      Err, maybe we shouldn’t have built highways across Nebraska (or any other State for that matter?). Why is it fine for Canada to build a pipeline because it is in their national interest to do so, and not fine for the US? Should we bring oil in by tanker? It still needs to get to refineries all over the US you know. Just in case you didn’t notice last time you filled your car’s tank, it was gasoline that you were putting into it.

      Chances are that gasoline and/or it’s its precursor came a long way to get to that pump.

      Which is more environmentally sound: Giant tankers such as the Exxon Valdez? Or thousands of diesel powered trucks (made from crude, you know) hauling oil products countless miles at great expense?

      Do you know about electricity? It needs ugly transmission lines to get from the generator to your little abode. Maybe the farmers whose land those lines traverse should have put up the same stink and stopped their construction as well!

      Maybe we should all have wind turbines on our properties and unplug ourselves from those greedy utilities. But don’t ask them to back up your power supply for when the wind doesn’t blow.

      • Old Henry

        John:

        That should not be a problem. For as long as we have politicians we will have not only plenty of wind, but lots of hot air.

      • DaveH

        You can bet, John, that if the Wind Generators were a Conservative idea, the Liberals would have been screaming bloody murder about the eyesores.

      • ChristyK

        There has been much more environmental damage from tankers than from pipelines. The pipeline uses less energy and spills less. I say go for it. If there is a particularly sensitive area, then slightly change the route, but build it and build it soon.

        I do also agree with a previous poster who said we would be in good shape if we would just allow our own country to drill for the oil we have. Who do you think will be more careful with the environment, the US or Saudi Arabia? We will not be replacing oil as the main source of energy for a long time (probably my life time) so lets produce it as safely and cheaply as possible.

        For those who like “green” energy, you should understand how our grid works. We use two kinds of energy generation. One is a constant producer that meets our base needs (nuclear, hydro, etc.). We have other sources of electrical energy that go up and down as demand goes up and down (coal & nat gas plants). Wind & Solar meet neither criteria. It’s there whether you need it or not and not there, whether you need it or not. This makes it difficult for the power plants to change output fast enough when the wind suddenly stops or the sun suddenly goes behind a cloud. Therefore, to make sure we always have power, the coal/nat gas/oil power plants have to keep burning because they can’t change output fast enough. Also changes in output require a lot more power(waste) than maintaining a constant output. We end up burning coal/nat gas/oil even when the wind/solar are producing to allow for the power to always be there. The large changes in output from wind/solar cause a lot of waste. Therefore as we increase our wind/solar production on the grid, we actually burn more coal/nat gas/oil than when we don’t have any solar/wind on the grid. We are paying obscene amounts of money subsidizing a technology that makes us worse off. Until we create a technology that will allow us to store the energy for when we need it (when the sun doesn’t shine or wind doesn’t blow), wind/solar will not work for the grid.

        Wind/Solar sort of works for an individual house or such, but isn’t financially viable except for ultra-rural areas where it would be extremely expensive to run power wires long distances. Even then, they usually need to have a gas generator around for when the wind doesn’t blow or sun shine for a longer period.

      • DaveH

        Not to mention the blight on the landscape that wind and solar generation create.

      • eddie47d

        Where’s the blight with solar generation? That’s a LOL moment for you Dave. I’m not against oil derricks but they are as much an eyesore as wind turbines. Opps! I knew you wouldn’t mention that and on top of that oil spills from those derricks are an even greater eyesore and damaging to the environment. We need to use all our resources sparingly and wisely in the areas they are needed or where they will work.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Don’t get out much eh Eddie . . . Ontario Canada . . . 100′s of acres of solar panels, though by the leftist Premier to power the Province at 6 to 10 times the cost of conventional electricity. Only problem, the sun goes down at 5:30 this time of the year. And yes eddie . . . they are an enormous BLIGHT on the landscape. Of course they create “Green” jobs . . . somebody has to clean them twice a week . . . LOL More Green LUNACY!!!

      • eddie47d

        Even cold climate Canada with lots of oil sees the need for alternative resources. Thanks for bringing that up. You can now put your head back into your butt socket you negative trollop.

      • DaveH

        How old are you, Eddie, 12?

    • Alan

      Wow – Flashy…. Hated much lately? It is evident to every critical thinker out here that this administration is hell bent on having it their way or else! If their “green” economy won’t go anywhere and they can’t pump more fiat cash into it to pad their crony capitalists pockets, then no one gets anything period. And the American people will suffer for OUR incompetency, no matter what the cause is! Money is evil and we are the only ones allowed to have any is the mantra from the uber-leftist mentality. Didn’t you get your memo from the thief-in-chief?

      • Old Henry

        You put a Chi Ka Go gangster in OUR WH, you have gangster government. “It’s the Chi Ka Go way.”

        The problem is that compared to the entire country Chi Ka Go is a small microcosim and they can’t seem to grasp why it is not working as they want. Kinda like Tricky Dick. Everything was fine, until THEY STARTED PLAYING BACK THE TAPES!

    • Wyatt

      Took us to war for oil ? If we went to war for oil , please explain why we are paying the prices at the pump . Where is all this oil we went to war for ? I’m afraid you have been deluded by all the liberal rhetoric . Either that or you been chugging the Kool-ade . Obama loves people like you , ones who buy into what ever lie he chooses to throw out there . Usually one he picks up from mainstream media as they fall all over themselves to politically correct to this do nothing clown in the White House . z
      Yes, it would be nice to rely on Green Energy , but that technology is not perfected and is still many years in the future . And as for transportation use, except for short trips to the local store , highly impractical . Obama claims he wants to create jobs , well this pipeline creates them . He says he wants to reduce our dependency on foreign oil. Again this pipeline does that. His use of this as a political ploy is unconscionable and in direct contradiction to his stated claims. Best people wake up and get this anti American fool out of there .

      • Old Henry

        Wyatt, the only oil we got from that war was on our rump where Bush / Chaney Congress greased us up.

        However, they did get the guy who tried to kill Shrub’s old man… And Shrub lost nary a limb.

    • LRay

      Flashy you are correct Obama didn’t put us into war! One of his own did. Monica wasn’t the only one to get it we all did!!!!

    • T-Texas

      Hey Flashy,I live in an area where pipe lines criss cross each other and the land is also farmed and used for cattle grazing.In fact there is another being put in about 7 miles fro my house now.I know of one incident where there was a lose of life and equipment.This happened about 45 years ago.

      • Old Henry

        Cattle grazing T-Texas?! Holy Cow! (No pun intended) You have no ozone over your house! Don’t go outside! Scuse me, I gotta go flip my burger.

      • Flashy

        Y’all voted for Perry as governor and Bush before that. ’nuff said about Texas and good judgment…lol

      • mrbill

        I don’t know where you live flashy boy but in Texas I pay less than $1000.00 per year for property tax (paid for by the way) no state income tax and 81/4 sales tax. How is your state doing?

      • Flashy

        Not bad MrBill. And we have schools that educate our kids, and we don’t have the majority of jobs paying minimum wage, and we have a clean environment and we don’t have a massive bill coming due as y’all in texas will have next year (if what i have read is correct…you’re going to get hit fairly heavy real soon)

        Oh yeah…we also have a minor version of public health care, planned cities, clean air and a fantastic environment, thriving downtown core sections in all our cities, public transportation throughout, and we manage without a sales tax … how’s them apples ?

      • Opal the Gem

        flashy pants, you forgot to tell us where this “utopia” is.

      • Flashy

        Opal…why..I thought you guys knew everything! Here’s a hint…I live in the top ranked “Green City” according to Popular Science mag. Makes one wonder if, according to you guys, moderates and liberals screw up everything, why folks want to move here. Of course, world wide the Scandavaian countries aren’t doing too bad either economically. Hmmm…ya think you guys may be mistaken about Moderates and Liberal philosophy? LOL

        I know one thing, when I have to travel to the South and parts of the Mid West, I’m appalled at the inequality, the dirt, vast pollution and grime, the utter political blindness of the population. And Texas etc.? To be fair, I probably can cite something good about Texas and that part of the country. Ummmm….give me a few hours I may think of something … we have to find a place to toss our trash so that’s where we send the right wing nutcases ?

    • Karen

      I don’t know who you are listening to, but Obama is a Muslim, without a doubt, and he is deliberately trying to destroy our Country! Why don’t you and Obama leave for Kenya as soon as possible? Check out: http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com. Obama hates the American people and he hates Israel!

    • olinda moore

      WE do not need the pipe line from Canada, we need to dill here off shore thas it,so we have to put a fight with the people in washington,they have to realice is important for the economy to drll baby drill,alaska ,s.dakota in the golf,whats up baby when you people going to open your eyes?

    • JUKEBOX

      It wasn’t the party of “NO” that forged the names on the Indiana ballot petitions in 2008, but more like CHICAGO POLITICAL GANGSTERS with Obama as their shill.

    • DaveH
      • Flashy

        heck…who knew there were so many Liberals in Nebraska !

      • DaveH

        No gates can keep them out. Unfortunately.

    • Doug

      Farty so where is all these oil we went to war at? You should change your name to Farty the Parrot because all you do is repeat the lies from communist liberals that you follow. So again please tell me where all this oil is that we won by taking out Iraq?

      • eddie47d

        Put your Fascist comments back in your pants Doug.They are smelling like your drawers! G Bush thought the war was going to be quick and easy like the SR’s was and that obviously didn’t pan out too well. Many of those Iraqi wells were blown up and made useless. It’s hard to drill for new oil when there is a war going on so we never got the abundance that Bush dreamed of. Since you want to be an obnoxious blowhard you don’t deserve anything less from others.

    • Jerry

      Hey Flushy, It makes perfectly good sense that a Muslin president would rather do business with Muslim oil barons. You say that the Iraq war was about oil? When we went in, we were promised that Iraqi oil would pay for the financing of the war. Where is the oil money?
      You , along with all other libs, are always claiming that all the Republicans are for the rich. Do you see any poor Democrats on the Beltway. The Dems are just as much for the rich as the Reps. They continually try to mislead the public with the farce that they are for the poor working class. WHAT A JOKE!

      • Flashy

        “You say that the Iraq war was about oil? When we went in, we were promised that Iraqi oil would pay for the financing of the war. Where is the oil money?”

        Jerry…prhaps you should have realized the Big Lie when it was hyped to you by Bush/Cheney instead of denigrating those who were asking the questions….

    • Zack

      Flashy you are so full of BS it is pathetic.

    • joel

      Flashy, Yea that Solandra deal with Barry’s billionaire buddy is really making the green industry look good buddy, chew on that! Anyone who thinks that Obama is not out to enrichen Himself is blind. Thinking the Republicans are the only ones in bed with the big corporations is totally assinine ! Where are they going to get thier money to support their extravagant life styles ?

    • Dale on the left coast

      Flashy . . . 15 years to complete . . . LOL That is absolute NONSENSE!!!
      War for Oil??? Where’s the friggin oil clown???
      O’bammy is appeasing his base . . . the enviro-nazis, the loons that want everyone to live like Little House on the Prairie.
      Why do you spout so much nonsense that doesn’t resemble truth? I know you must be a lieberal!!!

      • eddie47d

        When you can spout some truth Dale then maybe some of us will listen. Right now you are only a broken record.

    • R Geer

      If Canada can send their oil to our U.S. west coast to be shipped on to China, then why can’t it also be trucked and/or shipped from the west coast to all parts in the USA? Why not? I would think it’s more expensive to send it farther away to China than to the United States… Maybe they don’t need a pipeline?
      We should use more fuel from Canada if they want to sell it to us! Why don’t we see more about this in the news? Why not Canada? I had no idea they had so much oil. They’re our neighbors!

  • James Maxwell

    Just one simple question, Which POTUS bowed to the Saudi King and
    kissed his ring. You only do that to your master. Any one with
    a single brain cell left knows that we have a “muslim candadiate”
    in the White House. Anti any thing that doesn’t drag our nation
    back to the third century standards. Transparancy is rampant in
    Washington, unfortunately the lemmings do not see the wolf leading them down the path and over the cliffs edge.

    • Old Henry

      Well James, one happy thought is the wolf is leading which means he will reach the cliff first – with the herd of lemmings directly HEHIND him.

      • olinda moore

        Remember wen the evil was tenting God on top of the mountan,is going to happen again and you know the winner is Jesus ,you see every time they have something bad to said about the christian somthing bad happens and if you do not believe just watch.

    • Flashy

      Which POTUS showed subservience to the Saudi king? That would be Bush II. As well as letting the only flight out on 9/11 being that of the Saudi’s. Bush was so subservient to the Saudi’s and Kuwaiti’s he didn’t even need vaseline…

      • Brad

        Hey Flashy,

        Let’s take a walk down memory lane, date 2009 Ohmama takes trip to Saudi Arabia and bows then kisses the hand of the Saudi King, what’s his name Faud. Ohmama has no respect for the US, he is the appologizer in chief making the US the laughing stock of the world, no wonder other country’s are starting to thumb their noses at us. Ohmama is the worlds laughing boy and now his poll numbers are below Carter making him the worst president we ever had.

      • Thinking about

        Since you suggested a trip down memory lane, the Bush family backing Carlyle Group is backed financially by Bin Laden family and other Saudi money. Who walked holding hands with the Saudi prince, none but George W. Don’t wake up today and think this is the first dealings between those in the WH. Also check out Halliburton, still working in Iran and many other middle eastern countries.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Flashy . . . you just gotta stop watching Micky Moore movies . . . he makes his stuff up . . . he’s just a wealthy fat lieberal/marxist living large while feeding BS to the unwashed like you!!!

      • Flashy
      • eddie47d

        It was the economic shenanigans on Wall Street that turned other countries against us. Their economies suffered for that lack of oversight also. Get off of the kool aid Dale and drink some spring water which may refresh your mind.

      • Dale on the left coast

        eddie . . . the shenanigans you refer to were CAUSED BY THE GOVT . . . Fannie/Freddie and Bawney. Its been explained to you hundreds of times. Sure Wall Street sold worthless derivitives, but why were they worthless? Cause they contained the Trillions in Mortgages that the US govt through the Comm Reinvestment Act forced banks to loan to folks that could not pay it back.
        Give O’bumbler 4 more years and you will all be on Food Stamps.
        O’bumbler is the FDR of the new milenium . . . will this depression be longer than the “Great Depression”?

      • eddie47d

        50% of all Subprime Loans were by independent mortgage companies with no government oversight.In 1998 5% of any home loans were Subprime loans, by 2007 they were 30% by private bankers or mortgage companies. CDO’s and default swaps and other financial gimmickry came from those companies which lead to the meltdown. So blaming everything on the government doesn’t pass the smell test. Your too angry to be rational and that is why we will have financial troubles in the future. You only attack or blame one part of the problem.

  • Don

    Look, people, we cannot listen to Obama because he is not even supposed to be president. We should just go ahead and make the pipeline and accept the oil from Canada. Just do it!!

    • T-Texas

      I agree with you Don and the oil companies should and tell this illegal kenyan and eric holder to go pack sand where the sun don’t shine.Start drilling.Drill Baby Drill

      • Mary

        T Tex the Drill baby Drill was about the only things I like about the senil McCain. Most of the time I agree with the post here but today No, we need to research tmore about the pipelines. I don’t want one of them close to my home. They are Buit to Spill. As the politics business is dirty but not as much as the tar sands oil. It’s the dirtiest on earth that should tell us something. They said those pipes leak once a every seven years. They leaked 12 times in its first year. In Alberta Canada elevated levels of cancer have appeared in communities downstream from lakes of toxic waste. My healt is priceless what about yours?

      • olinda moore

        drill baby drill was Sarah Palin no Mccain and yes she is the only one can turn the country arround,the media has damage all the possibilitys to get her ronning for the sit on the white house,thas is a sheme of them.SArah Palin is better than all of the other gops together.

      • Mary

        We all know that Olinda. Palin saved McCain of disgrace. My husband won’t vote for McCain he did it whith the hope that he will die 90 days of his presidency so Palin will take his place. I’m sorry but I still laughing. It’s the first time that my husband wants somebody dead (of a heart attack). The masses believes the media they are so lazy that is sick. They decide who’s the candidate and we just talk or write to release our pain. Look what the bastards are doing to Ron Paul they don’t let him speak. I better drink some water.

      • mark

        Palin’s a reality T.V. joke. Even conservatives realized this.

      • Doc Franklin

        This is a multiple choice question for Mark who obviously hasn’t taken the red pill yet.
        Marxists reward their useful idiots by?:

        a) giving them the finest food money can buy.
        b) buying them a new car
        c) buying them a new house
        d) letting them rule with the elites
        e) they send them to gulags and execute the stupid bastards.

        To find the answer, study the history of Marxism around the globe.

      • eddie47d

        I believe it is the wealthy RINO Conservatives(they are out there)who are eating the finest foods,have new cars,buy new houses,run with the Elites and then order the police out to defend their turf. All the while they attack free speech and assembly. Maybe you need to study your present history Doc and understand the coordinated attacks that went on against OWS.

      • CoCowboy

        We don’t even need oil sands product. America has 150 years MINIMUM of light sweet crude just in 4 western states that Ken Salazar cancelled the BLM contracts which were already approved by both BLM and EPA. That’s not including Alaska, The Gulf or Texas or ANY other states like the Dakotas which are already producing in the Bakken…

        We DO NOT need ANY FOREIGN OIL OF ANY KIND… I WISH PEOPLE WOULD DO THEIR RESEARCH AND DEMAND WASHINGTON CUT THEM LOOSE!!!

      • Average Joe Patriot

        We do not need foreign oil of any kind because we scarcely need oil of any kind, except for lubrication. The US gets about as much sunlight, wind, geothermal and tidal power as anyone else at this latitude, and the ionosphere is also quite as capable of providing us free energy as it is anyone else (Tesla technology, shelved). We can split hydrogen out of seawater to run engines, and/or go back to the battery design which the original Chevy electric cars used to run 125-150 miles per charge on (Chevron bought the patents and shelved them). We’ve known about most of these technologies for at least a long as OPEC has been in existence.

        We may validly blame Obama for a lot of things, but this one he inherited from the PTB going back at least as far as J.P. Morgan and J.D. Rockefeller.

      • Average Joe Patriot

        Oh, and I left out hemp. We can (and have) run engines on hemp oil and of course, alcohol made from just about any plant matter.

        We’ve never needed these massive amounts of oil. Our oil (and coal, natural fracked gas, and dangerous nuclear) dependence is a 100% fabrication on the part of major energy monopolies to keep us enslaved to them. This has been enormously well documented countless times.

      • Kenneth Ebersole

        Somebody just hit the nail on the head. It is about time we look into alternative energy sources and anything other than oil. It appears that money makes the wheels turn everywhere and oil is definitely a moneymaker. Many of you comment on Obama being the bad guy but I think we need to blame someone else and they are “we the people” of America. I did not vote for Obama but neither did I vote for Bush. I believe our problems started many years ago before 1960′s maybe even earlier. We can sling words very well on this website but can we put them into action to make a difference? Merry Christmas and I hope a very Happy New Year to all!

      • DaveH

        Isn’t it odd that whenever the Liberals don’t want something, it causes cancer? Remember Love Canal?
        http://mises.org/daily/1927

      • Flashy

        Love Canal..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Canal.

        Tell ya what Dave…go chomping on Alar contaminated apples, breath those fumes from the coal emissions, suck up that water draining from a fracturing process, and eat those fish swimming off the coast of Japan by those nukes, give the kids milk with rBGH and antibiotics, dine on genetically altered food products (and while you’re at it, wonder why you can’t get any seeds to sprout from the plants grown from the genetic seeds)…

        Go ahead. And yes, tell your wife that’s what you want your kids exposed to.

        Then let us know when the divorce is final…before or after you check in for cancer and health issues…

      • eddie47d

        Yup Flashy they just found nuclear contamination in Japanese baby formula (in Japan)400,000 units had to be recalled. The dangers are real and some American corporation (think Superfund hot spots) are no big deal and hide the facts.

      • DaveH

        I’m betting that neither one of you Fear-Mongerers read the article.

      • DaveH

        Here’s some sobering reality for those whose minds haven’t been baked by Liberal Propaganda:
        http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005140.html

        In this age of Environmental Toxicity, we live longer than ever before. Instead of being happy that we are so blessed, the Liberals must whine about every little possible danger in our society, like a bunch of spoiled children who have had it too good for too long.

      • skip

        So far the leading cause of toxic deaths in this country is from lead – the kind fired from the various available side arms and AK 47′s being toted around.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Mark . . . you clown . . . the Kenyan in the WH is the biggest joke . . . he told you dummies he would take you all back to the 30′s during the campaign . . . but the loonie-leftie-handout-bots elected him anyway . . . that tops any “reality-show” I have ever seen.
        To bad you can’t fix stoopid!!!

      • eddie47d

        Who let you out of the circus Dale? You’re clownish comments are always good for a laugh.

      • DaveH

        Did somebody kick you out from under the bridge again, Eddie?

      • skip

        How many of you bloggers are in the upper 1%? Those of you who are are screwing the rest of us; those of you who aren’t are getting the royal shaft. Wake up, guys – don’t sell your souls to the Koch Brothers, Wall Street, and the oil monopoly.

      • Nana

        Yes, we don’t need this idiot to approve. Notice I did not call him president—-cause he isn’t one! Drill, drill, drill. Is anyone listening?

      • CoCowboy

        I’m listening and I’m SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS!!! Ken Salazar is a POS… and I would know, being from Colorado – one of the states that lost out on the BLM contracts!!!

  • alexa

    Other than relying on 10 million barrels of foreign oil and 1 trillion debt spending, there are several commodities the US relies upon. Rare earth minerals must also be imported necessary for technology. About the only commodity we have an abundance of is nuts.

    • Monte

      Har, har! Nuts in abundance! That’s funny, Alexa! And very true.

      • Old Henry

        And, as it would seem, the squirrels to consume them.

      • olinda moore

        yes we have plenty but under groun,we need to digge it out and obama and his friend do not want to work on it,why USA is saling oil ,this is crazy,the men wants to ruin the country and nobody do anithin to stop him,what cain of people we are paying in the senate ,they are not doing there jobs.

      • JUKEBOX

        Do you people not realize that this “INCOMPETENT” and his buddies are enriching their off shore bank accounts, while destroying America with things like vetoing the Keystone Pipeline, enabling FAST & FURIOUS, doing a minimal enforcement of Mexican drug traffic, etc.

    • chipshot

      Yes. And most of them are in the district of corruption so they are easilly identifyable.

  • s c

    While this is possible, I wouldn’t bet on it, John. This prez is a willing part of economic and political forces bent on making America ‘suffer’ for very fuzzy reasons.
    To me, having The Anointed Yahoo in the W H constitutes a special type of suffering, and only cleaning out the W H and fumigating it can remove that nose-killing stench that has been there for the last three years.

    • patrick H.T. paine

      ” To conquer, first DIVIDE! ”

      Everybody sing along now…..”You can get anything you want,
      Right here at Livingston SHOP.”

      Not to fret Mr. Myer’s, because here in SHOP LAND, you just have to wait a bit, things will change……for example, another one of today’s offerings…..”Right here in River City……” is THIS:

      American Refineries Helping Make U.S. Net Exporter Of Fuel

      and Goldman says…..housing has kinda sorta hit bottom.

      So on this site, you can hoard, and get rich, plus buy beans and ammo,
      and of course we also have access to the perpetual HO JO motor machine, and the prospect of what looks like a president who secretly
      was “Bought and Paid For” by Wall St. and a likely candidate who has demonstrated that not only is he for sale, but thinks it’s a qualification.

      Final chorus: “Meet the new boss, same as the old …..which rymes with F and that stands for FOOL!”

      “Do not ask for whom the bell tolls……….”

      • RockyRoad

        Where is the John Wayne to help us out of this debacle?

        For me it is Dr. Ron Paul for 2012!

        Merry Christmas to all!

      • Old Henry

        And to all, A Good Night. (From which we shall not awaken)

      • Flashy

        John Wayne would be appalled at many of the comments enunciated in this forum. Don’t even think of dissing the Duke by suggesting he would give the rabid Right TPers and Corporatist GOPers the time of day.

        I read yesterday someone writing about Goldwater not being a “true Conservative’ and many of Pres. Obama’s proposals today came from Reagan’s playbook. And someone dares even hint that the Duke would support the wacked out Right of today? What a joke …

      • joel

        The Duke would slap Your biatch of a President, Ha! This oil pipeline is a no brainer, and is only being held up till after the election, so as to not alienate his tree hugging base. If Canada still has it on the table after the election, You can bet He would OK it then, but He will not have the job at that point, and the T-baggers will be drilling!

      • BillyBob117

        Hey not so flashy——he is Mr. Wyane to you and yes he would fuly support the TPN—-time for you to grow up pilgram

      • eddie47d

        Those “mean ol’ environmentalists and liberals” were shouting from the roof tops 40 years ago that we need to get off of our foreign oil addiction. Even Conservatives at that time were concerned but fell back into the laps of the oil companies. Today those same oil companies see the dangers of not going to alternatives sooner and not making big changes on our energy usage. There is no guarantee that if the Keystone Project is built that the oil will stay in America. Are we being duped again? This time by Anadarko Corp so let’s demand the truth from them and all involved in this Keystone Project before we proceed.

      • Thinking about

        perhaps it is John Wayne Gacy, some gets the two confused.

      • vicki

        Mr Wayne is not here to tell us directly but we can infer a lot from what he said when he was alive.

        http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/what-would-john-wayne-do/question-2075305/

      • http://frank1737@msn.com/ frank1737

        Youay not have the John Wayne but you have one H–L of the majority of the Veterans that has their their fill ogf this Dictator Obama and his Czars!! All of the low life punks and immature adults that participated in the Occupy Wall Street Demonstrations are skating on thin ice. You may note that it was a draft dodger for a president that alllowwd them to vote at 18. Mark my words if obama is VOTED IN BY FRAUD we will have another Civil War in this country

      • http://google.com Rob

        Flashy, you must have John the Duke Wayne mixed up with John Wayne Gacy. See the Duke not only would support the Tea Party, he would be riding up front leading the charge on the gay loving, high taxing collectivists Commies living in the White House. Like the Tea Party John Wayne was for Individual ruggedness, property rights, low taxes, Freedom of Religion, the Right to bear arms and the Right of Free Speech. John Wayne would loath the 51% who depend on the others to pay their way, Duke would stomp on the Occupiers and tell them to get a job or get lost. Duke would slam the doors shut on Illegals sneaking into America to steal our jobs and take advantage of American generosity. Wayne would rope that organizer and drag him to the nearest jail where he belongs.
        Now as far as that pipeline goes, our boy(inexperienced) president who lies about creating jobs has over one million new jobs just waiting for the word that says “drill baby drill”. America has more oil in Shale than Saudi Arabia only dreams about. We’ve got oil just waiting to be tapped in Montana, North Dakota, Colorado, Texas and off shore to make us 100% independant from foreign sources for 100 years plus enough natural gas to burn for another 200 years. The price of electricity should be pennies on the dollar but thanks to Obama its rising fast and making paupers out of most of us. Obama is doing all he can to punish us for being the most successful, smartest and wealthiest Nation on earth. Obama wants to give all of our wealth to third world Countries and make us equally miserable with his Marxist crap. People need to listen to what he has to say, how Capitalism is bad and Socialism is good. The only problem Socialism has created more poverty and death than any other economic system around. Obama is crazy, he needs a shrink and he needs to be removed from the White House immediately.

      • Jim

        Ron Paul LandSlide 2012!!!

      • Richard Pawley

        “…housing has kinda sorta hit bottom” I realize you are quoting someone else but my sources say it will be two or three MORE YEARS before houses hit bottom.

      • Flashy

        Mr. Pawley;

        I would love to know your “sources” as to housing. Valuations acording to recent Case Schiller data indicates the dropping in home values has pretty much levelled off for most of th country with a slight dip reported but all indicators showing stablization. Foreclosures are starting to decrease as the banks have skinned the deadbeats and those unfortunates who were caught in the whirlwind of recession, income loss, and adjustable rates. The Shadow Inventory held by the banks will be bled onto the market in a volume which historically is high, but yet where the market can absorb it.

        Would you disagree with any of the above? If so, I’d love to see your data sources.

        Where I believe the housing disruption will now occur is with the big developers. The business model of building developments containing hundreds if not thousands of new homes is a dying model. Urban sprawl is coming to an end. If you examine the housing market, you’ll see where inner city and inner circle housing is stable (and in many cases rising), smaller homes are holding steady in pricing as well. What is being nailed to the wall are the McMansions and the outer suburbs. Pople do not favor huge housing today. And the cost to commute is being viewed as a negative..both of which will grow in disfavor as we downsize the family unit via population aging and cost to commute increases.

        But go ahead…just who are your sources for making your statements? Did you verify and do your own internal analysis or dependent upon others? (no shame in being reliant upon tohrs for an opinion formation as long as yu qualify it as such) Mine are Bloomberg, Chase, BofA, Wells, Case Schiller, CTI, Dept of Housing, Census Dept., etc etc.

      • patrick H.T. paine

        “To conquer, first DIVIDE!”

        The bottom of the housing market will be 30 to 50% BELOW, 1997 values, also look for a dow of plus or minus 3500…and this is not a game you can WIN in the stock market…..if you don’t believe this
        you need to read “Crapshoot Investing” as soon as possible……

        But here is a brief poll for you….

        1.) Are you a part of the 1%?
        2.) Do you want to be?
        3.) What would you DO if you were?

        Eventually our species will produce an intelligent human….and if they are discovered…..they will probably be killed. Don’t worry,
        Ron Paul is safe…..all he can do is grind things to a halt….

        By the way, since name calling and labeling seem to be really big
        here…..I am a P.L.F.

        “Do not ask for whom the bell tolls……”

      • http://google.com Rob

        20% Drop in Housing to Cause Recession in 2012, YAHOO FINANCE

        “The problem with the real estate market remains excess inventory. Based on Shilling’s research, there are 2 million to 2.5 million excess homes in the country — a supply that will take 4-5 years to work-off. The result: Housing prices will fall another 20% and underwater mortgages will balloon from 23% to 40%, he says.” Gary Shilling, President of A. Gary Shilling & Co.

        Housing Predictor forecasts that 10 million homeowners will be foreclosed through 2012 as more mortgage holders are unable to refinance their mortgages because of falling home values or give up at the prospect of holding on to their homes all together.-Realty Trac.

        I updated my “2012” real estate bottom in March of 2010 to be “2013 at the very least” because Credit Suisse updated their chart. The most recent chart shows the resets don’t really slow way down until around October 2012. -USA Watchdog Greg Hunter.

        Well Flashy it looks like you’re lying. I couldn’t find any information to support your rosey forecast. None of the references you named could be found to support your rantings.

      • Chet Figurski

        Hey flashy, you sound like one of those liberal professors that are making 6 figures without deserving them.You think that you are the sole geiuses who are full of baloney.What drgged this country down is the frank dodd bill,you do remember that don’t you? and oguana’s welfare state that he is trying to create in a country that he wasn’t even born in. get a life, andcheck the facts on your false accusations, that all you liberals think is right.You li8berals,with all your fancy talk makes me sick. That’s what happens when you go to a college of any kind, that the profs have tenure, which is a joke. Wake up kid, and get the real truth that liberals just make up.

      • LowlyWise

        It tolls for thee.

      • patrick H.T. paine

        ” To conquer, first DIVIDE! ”

        You sure can infer a LOT from good ole Marion Morrison, I especially liked his interpretation of “The Alamo”….as well as “The Green Berets”…….but he grew up eventually and became human with a grasp of reality, with ‘rooster’ and as J.B. Books…..but impending DEATH will do that to you.

        Hell, just the “possibility” of escape from the syllogism, socrates is a man, all men are mortal, ergo all men are socrates, has been driving all manner of MEN and a few women to demonstrate in a big way
        that…..you too, can be socrates.

        Take O.peration I.raqi L.iberation, only 4000+ American’s became socrates, while over 100,000 Iraqi’s joined them. Does he who creates
        more socrates, win or lose?

        “They call it a false spring.”

        “Do not ask for who the bell tolls……..”

      • alexa

        You mean none of this stuff for sale is real? The hojo motor has to be real, creating something out of nothing, like fiat money.
        The information, like phony products all need to be triangulated by independent sources.
        Don’t forget to clear your cookies…

      • patrick H.T. paine

        ” To conquer, first DIVIDE!”

        Damn YOU!!!!!!! Of course the Ho Jo motor is REAL!!!! It has three patents with DATES……not ot be confused with say……figs. and it works on an amazing concept…..magnetism….by which if you construct
        it correctly….you can produce the appearance of anti_gravity…..float negative charged objects above a positively charged field.

        But the hojo is so cool that it works on a magical principle of magnetic repulsion….you know, anti-gravity. NOT!!!!!

        The first problem is….it needs a POWER SOURCE…..I mean free is free…..but the best part is that if you will just provide this teeeny, weeeny little bit of POWER, you will get a 300% profit.

        I.E. one battery on the front end will charge four on the back….but for some strange reason, even if your moderately intelligent, and if you can get the liitle test model to work…you have to replace the initial battery because it will like qall batteries run out of “anti-gravity”.

        Now if this “theory” were real all you would have to do is kick the motor to start it turning….heaven will follow and the crops will be saved……

        Best part is….power4home and tesla……steal their stuff…..because they use click bank…they offer unconditional money back….60 days….and it’s all crap…..and he’s catching up to LIVINGSTON SHOP….inside financial SECRETS……turns out in the end,,,,it’s free…..and worth exactly that…….

        “Do not ask for WHOM the “tinker bell” tolls….do you believe?”

      • http://google.com Rob

        I don’t know about Ho Jo but I’ve seen an example of reverse magnatism making this round metal object zoom around a round table and it would remain at any angle you set it. It used magnets above and below the object and the anti-magnatism pushed it at high speeds around this table. They are planning on using this concept to push particles through an accelerator to surpass the speed of light. Cool stuff.

      • patrick H.T. paine

        ” To conquer, first DIVIDE!”

        Yeah faster than the speed of light…..just recently there was this report that some neutrino’s have apparently been accellerated to
        “faster than the speed of light”…..which is AWESOME!!!!!

        My problem with this is….how do you actually accellerate a neutrino, and hell….let’s build a neutrino collider….

        At the N.Y. World’s Fair in 63/64 they had a fusion exhibit…..very BIG BANG…..since then, not one step further…..why?

        What was true then and is still true, is that it took more energy to
        cause the bang, than was produced by the bang.

        Hydrogen fusion is the driving force of the universe, and it is sort of a clue that STAR’s are way, WAY bigger than planets……so

        The main problem with the hojo is that the patents are OLDE…and if it did work, hojo would own the world…..1 + 4 +16 + 64 +212 + 848….the progression here is…….and you TOO can own this secret for….$39.95 or FREE…if you’re curious….go with free….the rationale is entertaining…..which probably means that, it is a good marketing lesson similar to keeping up with the Kardashian’s or getting married to one……

        Did you ever notice that the world is full of people who are willing to share their secrets……?

        ” Do not ask for whom the bell tolls…….”

    • ralph herman

      BULL.The last 5 presidents has said We will reduce our dependance on foriegn oil.We are owned by big oil and other corperations.We are not free nor will we be until we get citizens in government and get rid of the career politicians.Now who can afford that?

      • Shannon

        I agree Ralph, we need to get rid of what is/has been bought and paid for before it even get’s elected. We need some men and women of integrity, with a backbone and a willingness to die for this nation in office. These career politicos are nothing but a bunch of spineless snakes getting huge paychecks from major lobbying firms and banks. Once we get some integrity in office they can tell the lobbyists and the corps to take their money and put it to good use: rebuild the U.S. economy or get out of our country! Since the libs are so supportive of social programs that last forever and also like to worry about the environment so much they should try this. Everyone who gets a paycheck from Uncle Sam has to work 12 hours a day five days a week picking up garbage off the highways out of city, state, and national parks, we can put them in the city landfills and have them sort out recyclables from non recyclables to reduce the amount of long term waste going into the land fills. We can put a local out-going calls only phone line in their home so that they can receive calls and work as an operator for our various government agencies. Why just a few weeks ago I needed to call the IRS about a letter I received that I did not understand. After following all the electronic prompts I waited for 35 minutes before I was able to talk to someone who put me on hold for another 15 minutes so someone in the right department could answer my call. Give the welfare junkies a responsibility for the check they get and guess what when they see that the numbers don’t add up to minimum wage and there is no time and a half or double time for working over 40 they will start looking for a damn job. Make them plant, cultivate, and grow their own vegetable garden, do something besides sit on their lazy ass and collect a check.

      • JUKEBOX

        That letter needs to go to POTUS Robespierre, for the only thing he has ever produced in his life is fesces & CO2.

      • http://google.com Rob

        The big lie is there is a shortage of oil, BS. We can reduce our dependance on foreign oil by drilling here in the US. Forget OPEC.

    • Richard Pawley

      “Is Obama an Agent for OPEC?” Of course not! He’s just a “new” Democrat like Harry Reid and so many others! They will not rest until they have forced social and economic change upon us all (and the greatest economic crisis in the history of the world). Remember that old saying, “Nero fiddled while Rome burned!” Well, just last week the Democratically controlled Senate voted overwhelmingly (93 to 7) to remove the law from the Uniform Code of Military Justice that makes it’s illegal for members of the military to have sex with animals. To Reid and many Democrats (not all of course) such things are of paramount importance. The fact that so many Republicans signed off on this Military Defense Appropriation Bill proves that they, like many of the Democrats, don’t read what they sign, but we all know that. They are all to busy doing whatever it is that they do.

      I’m reminded of a science fiction program I listened to on the radio in 1953 or 1954. This was in South Carolina and my family could not yet afford a television set. It was a pretty good program but I thought, even as a kid, that the premise that we were at war with Canada was pretty far fetched. However, if we continue to treat Canada as we are treating Israel and all our friends we may find ourselves alone in the world and who knows all that the future will bring. WE MUST REPLACE 90% OF THOSE IN CONGRESS NEXT NOVEMBER or you simply will not believe what the rest of this decade is going to be like, or the one after that.

      The FED/Treasury continues to spew out debt (what they call money), based on nothing, but other nations are doing exactly the same. Those who are preparing for the really hard times ahead will suffer. Those who are not will be dangerous and they will suffer even more. I even know some in other countries who are preparing. It will not be pretty! Those who are laughing at this now won’t be laughing then but as the old saying goes, “You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink”. May God bless the United States because no one else is going to do so! However, you should know that He has said, “My hand of judgement will stretch forth and all will feel it, some much more than others. Fear not!” 11/19/11

      • Dale on the left coast

        “is O’bammy an agent of OPEC”? . . . no . . . I would suggest he is a PAWN of OPEC . . . no other Pres BOWED and kissed rings of Saudi despots . . . 10′s of thousands of miles of pipelines in North America . . . and the Enviro-nazis and O’bumbler object to this one?
        Any citizen that supports this regeme is borderline brain dead!!!

      • eddie47d

        Dale is the one who is brain dead for previous Presidents are the ones who entrenched us to the beck and call of the Saudi government. Maybe if you had woken up from your sleep years ago we wouldn’t be in this mess today.

      • Dale on the left coast

        What previous presidents did is friggin “HISTORY” eddie . . . its what we are doing TODAY that counts. Replacing a billion barrels of Saudi oil with Cdn Oil . . . is not complicated for anyone who is even slightly aware of the situation in the ME.
        Drilling for domestic oil and processing oil shales must proceed now. Failure to do this will have a long-term negative effect on the US economy. And of course the CO2 Terrorists need to be defunded . . . the US is one of the CLEANEST countries on the planet. I am amazed by the morons that think if you move a steel plant from Cleeveland to Taiwan, the emissions dissapear. Thoughts from a couple of real scientists:

        Japanese scientist Kanya Kusano, a Program Director and Group Leader for the Earth Simulator at the Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science & Technology, has publicly declared that man-made climate fear promotion is now akin to “ancient astrology.”

        Mathematical physicist Dr. Frank J. Tipler, Professor of Mathematical Physics, astrophysics, at Tulane University, agrees with Kusano. “Whether the ice caps melt, or expand — whatever happens — the AGW theorists claim it confirms their theory. A perfect example of a pseudo-science like astrology,” Tipler wrote on May 15, 2009. “It is obvious that anthropogenic global warming is not science at all, because a scientific theory makes non-obvious predictions which are then compared with observations that the average person can check for himself,” Tipler explained.

      • patrick H.T. paine

        “To conquer, first DIVIDE!”

        eddie….dale is NOT responsible….in so many ways….this is not to say he would not like to be….if only he knew how.

        BTW just in case you didn’t know this, but nuke plants have back up diesal gen’s, to keep the cooling system going in case of a SCRAM….
        turns out…none of them work…..so if you live near one, you should demand they run a test…..these things fail in less than a minute…

        oh and they are going to build more of these…..

        BTW FYI…the rapture took place on 12/13/88…..and there were only the usual number of reports of missing person’s filed….and most of them have been found…..

        ” Tis the season to be……….”

      • Flashy

        Mr. Pawley…you catagorize the Dems and the Prsident as “They will not rest until they have forced social and economic change upon us all (and the greatest economic crisis in the history of the world)”

        Errrr…perhaps you could tell us what the TPers, the Religious Right, the corporatist elitists (aka GOP), and gadzillionaires such as the Koch Bros. (and yes, to an extent you as well) are trying to do?

      • JUKEBOX

        Much less than the 1%ers, Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Kerry, Feinstein, etc. who have never produced one drop of oil, or any other product which might employ someone in private industry.

    • Phil

      Where are the union leaders on this one. Where is Obama’s pal Jimmy Hofa Jr. on this one. How about all the union leaders and members who say they want jobs for Americans. The real problem is with the American People, who will not hold Obama and the rest of the political leaders accountable, for the high unemployment. Leadership in this country is very poor, but it’s still the people’s fault. It’s sad but Obama and the rest of them will probably get re-elected.

      • JUKEBOX

        I would like to know what UNION any of these Democrat myrmidons have ever belonged to, including the #1 Union supporter, POTUS. I know,all of that is priveleged information like the Birth Certificate and school records.

    • rs

      That’s the stench that Bush and his crooks left when they departed, It’s going to take eight years to get rid of it.

    • w h richardson

      maybe the fuzzy reason is to make up for the slave trade who know his kin might have owned a few folks, other presidents owned slaves, wants to make em pay, maybe??

      • JUKEBOX

        His KIN were probably the ones that caught their AFRICAN neighbors and sold them to the Dutch slave traders. That’s probably closer to the truth if you researched it.

    • KHM

      @SC,
      You are so correct, especially about the WH needing fumigation after the usurper leaves.

    • skip

      The problem with your analysis is that this country is not a democracy – it is a country run by 400 or so arrogant, greedy, non-caring multibillionaires. Much more like Saudi Arabia than Canada. We ought to be a lot more like Canada, I agree – they avoided the greed-driven bank implosion we were subjected to. It is truly a wonderful country to visit – somehow, they got beyond just settling the place and on to civilization and civilized society and informed electorate.

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