With net neutrality the government will decide what and how fast you can download. Of the two I prefer the companies to decide.

Buster says: “Of the two I prefer the companies to decide.”

Yup, gotta get that bottom line for the stockholders. I’ll bet you really want to support all those cable companies who don’t want you to download from Netflix and Hulu. They WILL slow them down if they get the chance. Uncle Sam will keep the speed up with Net Nutrality.

BTW, I’ll bet you like it when insurance companies decide who gets what health care too. Does it make you feel all a twitter when someone is told from India that their life saving procedure is denied?

Rob

Obviously you get off on the thought of the government deciding if you get a life saving treatment or not.

now that would depend on what age you are!!! If you are over 50 and need an expensive life threatening procedure, I hope your will is all in order!!! The government does it already. My father was 79, with prostate cancer and the drs told my mother that socialsecurity would not pay for the agressive treatment as he didn’t have twenty years of productive life left. I wanted to pay for it but my dad wouldn’t let me, as it would put me in debt. I watched my father go from a hale 6′ man to a fragile skin and bones shell in just over a year, to death!! Those ba$tards in medicare just as much as killed my dad!! BTW, they said at 79 he didn’t have twenty years of productive life left? My mom was just shy of her 99th birthday when she died!! How do they know HOW MUCH life a man/woman has?!?!?

Hi Rob,

Before you get all gungho about net neutrality, as defined by a government agency, research what happened to the railroads. Whenever the government passes any laws interfering with capitalism they make it exponentially more difficult to remain in business. Before you know it they will be subsidising the internet just so it will be around the way they do with the rail roads. Not to worry a less efficient more expensive alternative will be found and the government will continue to subsidize the internet. They like to steal from us as they support their cronies and increase our costs and steal from us as they drive the costs of goods and services up all in the name of helping us or leveling the playing field or whatever other feel good mantra they come up with. A more recent example is healthcare and health insurance. The cost of that sure has plummetted hasn’t it? As they mess with the business model and make it fair for all people. I cannot buy a major medical plan for a substantial savings because the government dictates what it must cover. It is no longer a contract between me and my insurer. The government needs to stay out of private enterprise. I have my best interests at heart a lot more than some beauracrat that is feathering their own nest.

Here’s Joe with an other anecdote for us, as if that “proves” his politics: “I wanted to pay for it but my dad wouldn’t let me, as it would put me in debt. I watched my father go from a hale 6′ man to a fragile skin and bones shell in just over a year, to death!!”

He had the ability to get treatment via your offer. HE decided not to take it. His CHOICE.

Too bad you didn’t respect him enough to accept his choice and blame it on others.

Rob

From Emoke: The government needs to stay out of private enterprise.”

I agree. The government should NEVER have given the land grants for the rail roads that made millionairs. They called them “Robber Barons.”

Oh, and electricity as a utility! How about that?

Used to be that utilities were among the most heavily regulated things in America. And they were among the safest of investments. Deregulation hit and wow have electric bills gone up. And we got things like Enron, one of the biggest criminal enterprises ever.

Yup, you can take your version of “deregulation.”

I prefer honest business.

Rob

Wow. You really do worship tyranny, don’t you? If Obummer gets his way, you will absolutely LOVE living in an American gulag. Maybe you can call your house/apartment/hut ’1984,’ too.

At least it will be with more thieves caught.

Oh, that’s right… Congressmen can do that insider trading thing that got Martha Stweart sent to jail.

I guess the extreme right lives in a different world than the rest of us.

BTW, if you have 12 cookies on the table the CEO is going to talke 11 of them and tell the Tea Partier, “You better get yours before the union guy gets it.”

Rob

RS why don’t you try using a little common sense and logic in your agruments. If the police know the car is stolen then you as the owner have taken the first step towards defending your ownership. After you report the car stolen it is the responsibility of the authorities to follow up and enforce the law against the thief just as it is in intellictual property cases.

And what would YOU give them for tools?

Rob

mr smith,
I’ll give you an example of what you speak of. A friend of ours has a black boyfriend. He was driving her car, with permission, and was pulled over by the police. They asked her name and because he was nervous he stuttered a little on her last name. Well, since she was white, and he couldn’t prove he had permission to be in possesion of thevehicle, they took him in, towed the car, and detained him till they finally got in touch with her and confirmed that he did have the right to be in the car. Oh, they appologized, but she had to pay a tow and storage of one day. the whole SCREW-UP cost her almost 150.00!!! YOU WANT THAT???

Hey Joe, I simply don’t believe you. Do you have a case number, etc?

I find it amazing when there is such a handy “anecdote” that allegedly proves a point.

Your guy caught DWB should sue and win if the story is as you tell it. I’m optimistic that the ACLU will take his case. Black guy and all the rest of the crappy stereo-types I see around here about the ACLU should facilitate this case being picked up in a heartbeat.

BTW, the RULES say he should have had the registration, etc. Did he?

Rob

Comrade, America already provides for welfare for thieves. Some even get it (Social Insecurity) while they’re in prison. Others (politicians) get it via early retirement. Still others get it via Medicare fraud, and some of those worthless SOBs are DEAD.
A bit behind the times aren’t you, comrade?

sc,
It’s ironic but Europe was told by the US that they had to get rid of their birth to death social care if they want US dollars in support!! Immagine that!!! We, who are heading further and further into socialized society are telling others they have to scrap it!! It was said on the news today that we may have seen the deat of the european socialist model as it stands!!! They are using something like 117% of their GNP and according to the report, we are now using 100% of OUR GNP!!! What a mess!!!

excuse me, that should be GDP!

Rob right stealing is stealing but, even your car theif example gets his day in court SOPA does not allow for it. It Just gives people to ban access to websites without due process. But, that’s Ok as long as those that are already rich can get risher and the rest are kept from moving up. SOPA was apoorly conceived and even more poorly written bill. The best way to stop these site is to use the existing laws and hit them where they live in the pocket book. If they are really infringingon copyrights.

Ah, so you agree,in principle, but not in method.

It’s quite clear when copywrite is violated, particularly with album duplication.

How would you stop it?

Rob

The problem is, mr smith, the government doesn’t ACT, it OVERREACTS!!!
In the end we the people always get the short end of the stick and the criminal, usually in DC, goes scott free!!

“It’s quite clear when copywrite is violated, particularly with album duplication. How would you stop it?”

First, in response to your repeated, simplistic, obviously-ignorant, entirely-false-claim that “copywrite”[sic] violation is “theft” (BTW, it’s “copyright”… you might learn that, if you ever make it through high-school)… Clearly, you know nothing of the actual law. Copyright-violation is a civil, “tort”, matter (as laid down by our founding fathers, the courts, and the actual law. The fundamental premise is that the “value” of a “property” is theoretically diminished by violating the “rights-holder’s” property-rights. However, no property has been denied, hence it is -not- theft… period. Frankly, only simpletons, the grotesquely-ignorant, and flat-out liars, claim otherwise.

Furthermore, we are talking about mere -allegations- of “copyright-violation”… -not- legally-recognized, investigated, nor adjudicated, instances of actual criminal-acts. This law [SOPA] was designed, basically, by corporate lapdogs specifically to benefit the most corrupt private-interests. And, as written, would also empower the government to spy-on, block, and attack citizens most basic rights… or, require various “private” entities to do so, as the government’s proxy.

Furthermore, “SOPA” is in no way designed to actually protect “performers” (as you have also falsely-claimed). “SOPA” does not return revenue to actual creators/artists. This law was created by, and for, specific corporate-interests (and it is also clearly being misused by certain elements of the government)… as a weapon… against the American People.

So, basically… we have a set of corrupt industries, effectively paying politicians to protect and enforce the grandest whims of greed and avarice. And, they [politicians] are also taking the opportunity to un-Constitutionally invade, and control, the citizen’s lives. And, you… Robert… are childishly defending this …with pedantic sound-bites ["stealing is stealing"]… and rhetorically demanding that we [the American People] accept that allowing preemptive spying, and arbitrary control of our actions, as the only solution to this made-up, corporate, temper-tantrum.

Well…

Yup, it’s simple: Stealing is stealing.

Allowing it because of your paranoia isn’t right.

Rob

> “Yup, it’s simple: Stealing is stealing.”

Robert Smith…

No, “copyright infringement” is not “stealing”. That is the legal fact. And, the only thing in this discussion that is “simple”, are your inane, and apparently-intentionally childish, arguments. Frankly, I simply cannot believe that you are actually, anywhere near, as dim-witted as your posts would seem to demonstrate. So, it would appear that you are actually arguing (and making asinine assertions and repeatedly demonstrating complete ignorance of these subjects) solely for the sake of annoying people… thereby, completely invalidating anything that you say.

Furthermore, you have, basically, flatly stated that the U.S. Constitution, our Founding Fathers, and the very principles upon which, our nation exists (namely, liberty, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, due process, and equality under the law, …and the most heartfelt beliefs of the vast majority of the American People themselves), are “simply” wrong… which, more than anything else, clearly demonstrates exactly how vitriolic-ally deranged you, and your posts, truly are.

And that, -is-… the “simple” truth.

So, you love the Fuhrer. I don’t. BFD! Why is it so hard for people like you to understand that being FREE from Big Brother and FREE from pc Nazis is the SAME thing?
If you need an immoral authority figure looking over your shoulder 24/7, feel “free” to move to China or Russia, comrade. You’re already ‘there’ in spirit. If you don’t like to ‘think’ in America, you’ll LOVE Russia or China, comrade. Home is where your heart or conscience is – assuming that you have one.

I guess s c is firmly in the catigory of approving of itellectual theft.

IMO a thief is a thief and weather I get to shoot them myself or the police work to catch ‘em it gets my approval.

Why don’t you think a singer should be paid for their work? Don’t you like to be paid for yours?

Rob

From Lisa: “There will always be theifs, they have been with us since time began. No laws stop them.”

Yup, that “thou shalt not steal” just doesn’t mean much.

Rob