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What Is Normal?

December 2, 2011 by  

What Is Normal?

“I like Ron Paul’s ideas on the economy, but I can’t vote for him because he’s an isolationist on foreign policy. He’s a kook (or naïve, or nuts or insert your own word) on foreign affairs.” That’s a common theme heard in discussions about the Republican Presidential aspirants.

What that means is that pushing Middle Eastern countries around and imposing our will on them is more important to so-called conservatives than getting our financial house in order. They — they being so-called conservatives — have decided that our national security can be served only by bullying smaller countries and installing dictators “friendly” to the United States. And it’s perfectly normal to believe this way, they think.

Americans are being terrorized by their own government. How? The constant drumbeat about Iran’s nuclear efforts. The same people who so vehemently declared that Iraq was close to having “the Bomb” — the International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations, the CIA, Israel, etc. — are telling us the same thing about Iran. The GOP beauty contestants — save one — are promising one of or a combination of regime change, sanctions, the freezing of assets and/or no-fly zones for Iran should they be elected. These are all acts of war or preludes to war.

When the Hosni Mubarak regime began cracking down on anti-government protesters in Egypt, Americans expressed outrage. Mubarak, who was friendly to Israel and the U.S. and had benefited from billions of U.S. dollars, was suddenly persona non grata. President Barack Obama told him it was time to step down. Mubarak was tossed aside like a used table napkin.

A military government took over. Protesters are again occupying Egypt’s Tahrir Square.

When protesters — who we now know were members of al-Qaida — began protesting in Libya, Obama joined with NATO to quash President Moammar Gadhafi’s military and throw him out of office. A similar thing is about to happen in Syria.

In 1860 in the United States, South Carolina seceded from the Union. Six States soon followed. After the Battle of Fort Sumter, four more joined the Confederacy. President Abraham Lincoln attacked the Southern States to force them back into subjection. Most Americans see Lincoln’s actions as just and necessary. But they have a dichotomy. While they support Lincoln’s actions to “preserve” America, they oppose the actions of foreign rulers to keep their governments in power.

In Russia, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin is running for Russian President. What if he said he was advocating regime change in a former Soviet state: Georgia for instance? What would be the reaction of Americans? We know that Russian actions there in the South Ossetia war were highly condemned in 2008 by neocon hawks like Senator John McCain.

What if China suddenly acted on its designs toward Taiwan? What would be the reaction of Americans?

For most Americans, it was good and just for the American government to use military action to quash a rebellion 151 years ago, but other governments can’t do that today. And for most Republicans, America’s foreign policy should remain that we push around Middle Eastern, African and Persian countries — or anyone else, for that matter — and install our chosen dictators because we have some moral obligation to “spread democracy.”  But other countries should not be allowed to spread their preferred form of government or install their own preferred dictators.

Republican voters believe this way and see this as a normal policy. What about this is normal?

Ron Paul wants to end foreign entanglements, maintain a strong national defense and get our financial house in order; but Republicans believe him to be the kook.

Which is the more rational, less kooky policy? What is normal?

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Gary Haws

    I admire Ron Paul for his tenacity, but if it were me, I would have given up years ago. Just like Allen Keys, Ron Paul tells the truth that the average voter doesn’t want to hear. We have become addicted to a socialist/democractic form of goverment that supplies our needs. As a nation, can we ever desire to embrace our Constitution and reform the original representitive republic we started with?

    • DaveH

      Correction, Gary — We have become addicted to a socialist/democractic form of goverment that presents the illusion of supplying our needs.

  • ThunderFunder

    The USA is NOT the reason Israel exists… God is. He will protect & defend her. The Constitution is the reason the USA exists. Ron Paul will protect & defend it.
    Ron Paul 2012!

  • skippy

    I love, love, love this article Bob!!!! Yep, getting our house/home in order is priority ONE. Get people back to work, get the borders secure. Ron Paul would be great for this country, no doubt about that. I have to agree with Sol….I intend to vote for him too!! Thanks again Bob for putting this out there!

  • amarq

    I have supported Dr. Paul for 25 years and I will tell you he is neither a issolationist, weak on defence nor is he a “kook”. Lincoln’s famous phrase discribes Dr. Paul to a tee…”Walk softly but carry a big stick”…It’s our own house we need to get in order…and ya never know, we may have a few less enemies in the world if we quit invading their countries and assinating their chosen leaders. And those who would choose to remain our enemies, would find us a much stronger foe.

    • Robert A Hirschmann

      I don’t think that quote came from Lincoln. Try Teddy Roosevelt.

    • JeffH

      Ah yes…”Walk softly but carry a big stick”…my take on Paul also.
      As Robert said, it was TR’s quote and not Lincolns.

  • Peter Mac Isaac

    As I watch my brothers to the south of my Canadian refuge once again it has become crystal clear your only hope is to elect Ron Paul. His level of honesty and integrity and intelligence is a beacon of hope that once shone from your statue of liberty but no longer can be seen through the dark days of your current administration. Good luck. You folks are certainly going to need it if he doesn’t get elected.

    • Lost in Paradise

      If he does not get elected, we will need our good neighbors to the north to help with the revolution that will follow.

      • JC

        Yep, and despite all the propoganda, Canada is the third most heavily armed nation in the world. Good people to have on your side. ;)

  • http://facebook Dennis

    The way I see it, Ron Paul would make a great President. He would get this country back to normal. But he is not running as a democrat or republican, so he want get elected. We got these ediot’s in America that think if you are not a die hard democrat or die hard republican, you are nothing. During world war two General George S. Patton refered those two party’s as communist, it got him into a lot of trouble. But in a way he is kind of right. I just about bet if Hitler was still alive. And if he wanted to run for President on either party. The democrats or republicans would be pushing for him to get elected. You no its true.

    • Lost in Paradise

      He IS running as a republican.

      • Millicent

        Sorry, you are incorrect. He is already illegally in the WH

      • Joe H.

        Millie,
        Now I see why you don’t know anything about R. Paul. YOU CAN’T READ AND COMPREHEND!! The post was about Ron Paul not Abummer!!!

      • JeffH

        Mllie might be 47D’s sister or wife…somehow related anyway.

  • evie

    Ron Paul goes according to our Constitution, he does not deviate or go back and forth on issues as the other candidates have done, he stands firm. The only problem Ron Paul has is the Media who does not put him in the best light, or they exclude any of his positive ideas. He wants all the things the American people want for our Country, he sticks to the Constitution in every debate I have seen him in, and he is not influenced by the lobbyists, the thing that is hurting American people. He believes the State’s should have more power rather than everyone looking for a hand out from the federal government which would help in lowering our financial dilemma, he believes that wars are not getting us anyplace but putting us more in debt, when some of the issues aren’t even ours that we are fighting for and losing our American military over. I think everyone should listen closer to his views when debating (if he gets a chance to say anything) that he is not influenced by every agency in the country or taking hand outs from lobbyists, he is truly concerned about the welfare of the American people and our financial situation and jobs. It’s the Media that is downplaying him, his ideas are honest, good, and for the American people. I like him and will listen closer as the Republicians continue to debate, why don’t you too!!

    • DaveH

      The Media Moguls and other Moguls fear Ron Paul for a very good reason. He believes in Free Markets. The Politically Connected Established Moguls don’t like competition. With Free Markets there are no guarantees. A Businessman can be popular one year and gone the next. With Free Markets, the business owners are slaves to the whims of the consumers. It’s much easier for Moguls to buy protection from their Favorite Politicians than to face the rigors of open competition.
      Ron Paul threatens to expose their 150 year old scam to the American People and that understandably terrifies the Moguls.

  • Angel Wannabe

    Good Article Bob__Everything has been “re-defined”, everything we thought that was normal, is just the opposite. To quote Becks phrase “Bottom up, top down and inside out”.
    The bought and paid for, News Media has done a fine job of confusing the issues and the people. Unless as a hobby you’re a bit of a Sleuth like me, you sift through the mounds of info like puzzle pieces, putting them together, and try to come up with an image of truth.__

    Since Bam Bam has been in office there have been more Countries tossed and their regimes over thrown, than I’ve seen in a long time. Co-incidence?, I don’t believe in them. You had Mubarak, Gaddaffi, and Osama Bin Laden’s, death in the headlines for Um-teenth time in the last 10 years. Although, Hussein was done away with in 06. Personally _ we Need to Toss Obama, 2012 seems like a very good year!

    As far as the Elections go I’m down to Two Candidates, Ron Paul, Rick Santorium and just for the record, before anyone decides to tell me how stupid I am__Go ahead make my day! 
    I salute any Gladiator willing to run for election, only to be thrown into the Viper Pit In Washington. I hope to hell they have A LOT of Anti-Venom & Armor because they’re going to need it. It’s a Deadlock now__they’re not hiding it anymore__NOTHING IS GETTING DONE, except further Destruction of the America……

    The only other thing I have to say about being Normal, we’re down to choosing a side. We need to know the Consequences of each, It’s no longer Right or Left__ we’re down to Good and Evil!

  • lovecookie

    Ron Paul is NOT an isolationist. He is a non-interventionist. There is a huge difference between the two and many people get them mixed up. Ron Paul wants to maintain open trade and friendly alliances with other countries without meddling in their affairs, having military occupy their territory or telling them how to live. This is stated in the Constitution.

    • Bob Marshall

      Very well explained.

    • Troy Crowe

      I believe he pushes the envelope between the two. Sometimes intervention is good.

      • Mike C

        Really? Well I don’t like your opinions or view points. I’m going to come over and intervene in your life until you change them. But don’t worry or get upset. It’s for your own good!

      • Lost in Paradise

        Hahahaha LMAO!

      • DaveH

        Good one, Mike.

      • JeffH

        Troy sounds more like the board harpy/troll…just sayin’

      • Mark in LA

        Thats what a declaration of war is for. Thats what an informed Congress is for. Not the lie filled charade put on by the Bush administration to get us into Iraq.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Mark, so what happens when you do have an informed Congress, but are bought and paid for by the TPTB, to do they’re bidding__ then what?_If you don’t clean out the whole closet, it’s still dirty!__There is 74 Known Communists left in the House and Senate, since the election!__What percentage of chance is there, of the people getting a fair shake, with the amont of corruption???

      • Joe H.

        Angel Wannabe,
        I have a feeling that there are a few “closet commies” on the supremes, as well.

  • CP

    I haven’t “studied” Mr. Paul, but just listening to him scares me to death. I HAVE studied a good bit of history, and every time we pulled our heads in and tried to shut out the rest of the world, we got a very rude awakening. The last bit instance of that was Pearl Harbor, which might have been prevented had we been a bit more engaged in international politics at the time. As far as “sealing” our borders, that, too, has been tried once before as well, and Al Capone grew rich and famous as a result. If we would legalize and regulate drugs, there would be far less danger from them, less expense in controlling them, and far more income from the legalized sale of them. When you can go to the corner drugstore and buy something, albeit with a mandatory prescription, you aren’t nearly as likely to support the bootlegger/drug dealer.

    • Troy Crowe

      That is completely correct. Which is why I think his foreign policy is bad for this day and age for sure. Unfortunately our elected officials have put us in the position of being the bad guys to the world. We cannot correct that by simply walking away from the mess we have created. We have to maintain a presence in strategic locations are rebuild our relationships all the while cleaning up our own house.

      • DaveH

        See my response to CP.

    • Troy Crowe

      I do not like your drug ideas simply because one of the largest drug problems we have here has to do with prescription drugs. So legalizing drugs probably will have a better outcome that our current dealings. I am not sure that there is a quantitative benefit from it either. Seal the borders from importing drugs (I mean really seal it), get the community involved, and really drill into our youngest generations the results of drug usage; at a reasonable age of course. Instead of teaching homosexuality in school, show videos of the results of drug abuse in a semi-regular timeline and you will scare the pants off a child not to use drugs. I do not think there is enough exposure of the consequences.

    • s c

      cp, IF you’ve ‘read a lot of history,’ most of the authors you worship share the same, basic credential – they’re INCOMPETENT and couldn’t get close to being objective if their heads if they had a pistol pointed at their pointy heads.
      Your Pearl Harbor angle is at least headed in the right direction, but you didn’t go far enough. In the ‘Capone’ matter, you are way beyond clueless.
      Sealing the borders? BLAH. If they’d been serious about it, Capone’s easy money would have evaporated, and many elected types (including Congress) would have been denied the same easy money that Capone got.
      Prohibition was living proof that politicians can’t be trusted with the simplest of issues – let alone enforcing a politician’s view of ‘morality.’
      Watching segments of The Untouchables will net you a better idea of what Prohibition was and was not.
      The way the Israelis secure THEIR borders is serious, cp. Obs and his herd of untrained monkeys couldn’t secure the front door of a toilet.
      Keep on reading, and read books written by real historians, not the ones who are schooled in politically and socially engineered “history.”

      • DaveH

        Most Historians are Court Historians, i.e. they write to please Big Government, not to tell truth.

    • Mark in LA

      CP, studying history is not the same as watching a movie. The US government wanted Pearl Harbor to happen. Roosevelt was dying for an incident to get us into the war. The Germans never obliged – even after Roosevelt’s acts of war on Germany such as Lend-Lease and allowing US destroyers to be used on convoy duty out to the mid Atlantic. These were acts of war by the US on Germany but Germany did not declare. They sank some of those convoy destroyers and Roosevelt was hoping that would get us in but Congress and the American people weren’t ready to go along yet.

    • DaveH

      OMG, CP. Your Pearl Harbor statement couldn’t be further from the truth. I don’t fault you for that, because you are just one of millions of propagandized Americans who have no idea of what the truth was. Please read this book and learn just how wrong you are:
      http://mises.org/books/pearl_harbor_greaves.pdf

    • Lost in Paradise

      Actually we were involved in world politics, and that is what ticked off Japan. They knew we would, and I think did put sanctions on them, and were going to try and stop the flow of oil to Japan. I would need to go back and restudy our history again, but we were involved.

      I think we were complacent, because we had treaties from WW1. and believed other countries would adhere to the treaties. No such luck!

      • DaveH

        Notable was that we were actually allies with Japan in WWI. Also, Japan in the 1930s and 1940s was very anti-communist.

      • Mark in LA

        We did stop the flow of oil and scrap iron to Japan. That is why their main thrust was south to the Royal Dutch Shell holdings around Indonesia. Their strategy always was to punch us in the nose a few times and hope we would quickly sue for peace and leave East Asia to them. They looked at us as people too happy with their comsumerist lives to make the necessary sacrifices neede for total war. They knew they could not win a long drawn out war of attrition.

      • Joe H.

        Mark in LA,
        With some of the complacent progs we have now if we were attacked it might have a different outcome!! I’m not for foreign interventions, but I believe there is a large section of our country that wouldn’t fight even if we WERE attacked. being willing to defend our country if attacked has gone out of vogue!! now, cut off all their freebies and you would have a war on your hands. such love of our country.

  • http://Boblivingston Lyle McDaniel

    And ,oh Elwood havnt you read the news lately ,? Slavery was gone from the south long before you came to be. How long do you think any baggy diapered islamic would last on our shores. of course obummer would like to make it possible by taking our guns. Dont you know that is the main reason we have not been invaded . our civillian army. Obama is your weak thinker.

    • DaveH

      No, Lyle, slavery is alive and well. It is being promoted daily by redistributionist Liberals who think that riding on the shoulders of others is a noble event.

    • Millicent

      I am against anything the Commie Obama is trying to do to take away 2nd Amendment rights. However, he is Commander in Chief. The military seems to be abrogating their responsibility to protect us from overthrow of our gov’t from within. They should be going into the WH and arresting this usurper, but they do not do their sworn duty. As long as he has the military to unleash on the citizenry, having your own weapons will not protect you. Did you see the Senate bill that was approved today. It is nullifying the Bill of Rights and gives the military control over your freedom.

  • http://heconservativecrawfish.wordpress.com Doug Schexnayder.PhD (ret)

    Ron Paul has 2 fatal flaws (and I simply love the rest)….the dope heads want his legal pot and the no shooting war ever utopians want his “no interfering faulty America” stance overseas.

    Even kook OzBama realized after having security access as POTUS that there were many many things he did not know or wrongly assumed about foreign policy.
    Paul can be Sec. of the Treasury all day long.

    • Troy Crowe

      I am right there with you on that. We need him in a position with fiscal control. the only problem is, I believe this is where he stands, he is retiring if he does not get the nomination. We need him controling the purse for sure. We need him for pushing the closing of the many unconstitutional federal agencies to include the federal reserve.

      • Millicent

        I can agree with you on that issue. But, we have been off the gold standard for so long, what would happen if all of a sudden we stopped printing fiat money and put gold back as the standard? Wouldn’t there be a chaotic event? I perhaps think, it should be gradual by first eliminating all the welfare programs that the gov’t has no right to impose on us. All at once, I don’t know.

    • Bob in Boston

      He never said he wanted to legalize pot, he just said that prohibition of drugs should reside with the states, where it belongs. The federal government has no authority to ban drugs.

      And by the way, what is wrong with legalizing pot – that seems like a really weird issue for you to latch onto. It’s far safer than alcohol and most prescription drugs…

      • DaveH

        One would think that most people would have learned from the follies of alcohol prohibition. One would think wrong:
        http://mises.org/books/prohibition.pdf

      • JeffH

        Yepper!

      • Average Joe

        Some folks are just plain special (DS,TC and Millitant)….short bus special……

      • JC

        Prohibition is what is responsible for Drug Cartels, it is responsible for the infringements on some of our civil rights by Federal Policing Agencies that wouldn’t exist without “prohibition”.
        When alcohol was legalized after Congress realized they could never get rid of it…the murder rate in the US fell by 50% almost overnight.

        And I personally don’t care what people do to themselves, it’s their choice. I do believe in education though. people should be taught what the consequences of drug addiction are. Like getting shot in the face breaking into someone’s home to support your habit. Or lethal injection for killing someone while driving under the influence?
        There’s your deterrent…in a “just” world.

      • DaveH

        Most drug-related crimes are a result of the high price of drugs which is a result of the illegality of drugs.

      • Joe H.

        JC,
        While I agree with you, there is one BIG fly in the soup. The bleeding heart liberal judges that truly believe that ” they were under the influence of the demon drugs and couldn’t help themselves”!! the druggie that kills someone in a car when under the influence of drugs would be under bad luck if he got five years and served three!! I had a friend that used to drink heavily and drive. Due to nothing but GOD, he never had an accident. Well he quit drinking, married a good woman, and had a little girl. One night coming home from a movie, he came around a curve coming into Adrian Michigan and a drunk driver went left of center, hit him and killed him and his wife, leaving a little girl as an orphan. Karma, you say? Maybe, but I heard the guy got seven years! now tell me that the druggies wl fare worse!!

      • Karolyn

        Joe – Jail solves nothing other than keeping people off the streets. Then when they get out, they are often apt to do the same thing. The money is much better spent on education. I had a cousin who was in jail for vehicular manslaughter when she was in her 20s. She only did a few years, but fortunately, got sober and lived a responsible life until she died last year. I can’t help but feel thata if she had spent a lot of time in prison, she might have come out more hardened.

      • JC

        As I mentioned above, “in a just world”…but that isn’t what we have.
        What we do have is a system of “laws of control”, not a Justice System.
        Prohibition has nothing to do with morality, it’s become an industry unto itself and just another way to suck money out of the taxpayer under the (ridiculous) guise of protecting people.

      • DaveH

        I’m with you on that one, Karolyn.
        Prison is like Crime College. We put them together with fellow crooks so they can learn each others secrets and immorality. Then some of them who aren’t even in the slammer for much (maybe drug violations) become subject to rapes, beatings, maybe even murder sometimes, including some assaults by guards. And we ponder why they haven’t become nicer people in prison?
        If I was ruler, I’d cut their sentences dramatically and they’d stay in their cells until the sentence was up. I’d install a chin-up bar, a toilet, a decent cot, a TV that only received signals a few hours each day, and let them read all the books they wanted. Their food and books would be supplied without opening their cell doors. There would be no physical contact with other prisoners or guards except in an emergency, and then at least two guards would be present to open the cell and take the prisoner to the infirmary.
        After they were let out, their records would be expunged, so they could easily blend back into the mainstream if they wanted. That way there would actually be an incentive to behave. As it is now, many of them have an almost impossible task to get a job. What else could we expect in such a case then more crime?
        For some real insight into our prison system read some of Radley Balko’s work at reason.com. Here’s a sample:
        http://reason.com/archives/2011/06/20/the-crime-rate-puzzle

      • Jo H.

        karolyn & DaveH.,
        Be that as it may, explain to me the large number of people out there that have 8,9 and over 12 DUIs??? There are some that are incorrigible!! Not too long ago there was a guy on the news that had killed a guy in a drunken driving case, got four years, got out and was under charges for paralizing another guy!! Had he gotten 10 years, served those years without bail, he would nor have had a second victim so soon!!

      • DaveH

        Sure he would, Joe. They’re called the US Taxpayers.

      • DaveH
  • Right Coast Mike

    I love Ron Paul on about 99% – even most of his foreign policy positions. It’s Iran where we have the disconnect. Is his position on Iran’s nuclear ambitions to ignore their very outspoken threats and do absolutely nothing until we see the mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv? If his foreign policy could moderate just a little bit toward the global realities in place, he might get more support – maybe even enough to get elected.

    • Troy Crowe

      That and his willingness to pull out of the rest of the world is my biggest problems with him. We have to have a presence in the world not for force but for deterent. We have friends who rely on us. Those who rely on us but are not our friend by all means kick them to the curb.

      • Bob in Boston

        We just test fired a hypersonic missile that can hit anywhere in the world in 1 hour. Why in the world would we need foreign bases anywhere?

      • JC

        Do you mean to deter the enemies we created by being there in the first place? That’s circular thinking my friend…borderline insanity.

    • PATRIOT 101

      Israel can take care of Iran. Obama has intervened and told Israel to leave Iran alone. Israel will attack Iran as soon as Obama is out of the White House.
      I for one am tired of fighting (and paying for) others wars. Noble, but it has us broke at home. Not a good idea anymore.

    • Geno Zomparelli

      Do YOU really believe that or are you just echoing what you hear from the mainstream media?

      Iran is surrounded by counties that already have numerous nuclear weapons! Come on , be rational! What could Iran gain by building one nuclear weapon and threatening Israel with it when Israel has 100 times the nuclear power?

      Besides, it is the provocative actions of the U.S. that will threaten WW III and a nuclear Holocaust. China has already made it clear that a threat to Pakistan will result in WW III and Russia made it clear that a threat to Iran will result in WW III.

      America is an arrogant out of control child that thinks it has the moral high ground when the truth is America has become a corrupt imperialist nation that is in decline, like the Roman empire. American socialist and neo-fascist policies perpetuated by the corrupt banking cartel are the reasons for the problems in this world. And as long as we support our government’s policies we are accomplices to the evil that is taking over the world. America is where Germany was in the early 1930s. If we do not wake up and see this we will be going down into the trash heap of history.

    • Mark in LA

      Well Rambo Mike, what do you think we should do to stop Iran from getting the bomb? Iran has uranium deposits, they are the most highly educated society in the middle east after Israel, the technology is 60 years old, and they can build underground facilities that nobody can touch in their mountains. The only alternative is a massive unprovoked nuclear strike on the Iranian population killing tens of millions or a massive invasion of US troops. That invasion probably won’t be successful with less than 500,000 troops. It will probably cost 20,000 men and countless casualties and there will be stiff Iranian resistance after “peace” has been declared.

    • DaveH

      Here is a list of countries with nuclear weapons, Mike:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons

      Keep in mind that the US has been the only country to have ever used a nuclear weapon against another country. We have military presence in more countries than any other country in the world. Do you think we are in any position to criticize other countries for going nuclear?

    • Lost in Paradise

      Like Paul said, “I would ask congress for advise first”, then decide’

  • Tommy Phillips

    A review of history clearly demonstrates that the warfare state is as big a threat to liberty as the welfare state. Ron Paul’s book, A Foreign Policy of Freedom (available from the Mises Institute), demonstrates Paul’s consistency over the years on foreign policy. The quotes from our Founding Fathers in the book warn us that war poses a great danger to our liberties. Madison thought it may pose the greatest danger – “Of all the enemies of public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other.”

    • Troy Crowe

      That is good information. I like that. It is so true.

  • Troy Crowe

    First of all Mr. Livingston. I am one of those who things Ron Pauls foreign policy is a little kooky and I am a true conservative. I do not advocate pushing around other countries but neither do I advocate living like a ostrich as Mr. Paul borderline does. He is a very smart man and in many cases I agree with him but being isolationist will only make us a target. Sure we are already a target for the most part, but we will be that much more of a target if we abandon the rest of the world and leave them to their selves. Another thing, what about the countries out their who request our help. Do we leave them to fend for themselves and within a short period of time just watch as one neighboring country overtakes them. Their are definitely many military bases throughout the world that I would close down but I would not crawl up in a cacoon as Mr. Paul in a round about way would suggest. Lets also talk about the fact that the unborn child is protected by the constitution. It is clear that Mr. Paul is stanchly pro-life. But instead of utilizing the constitution to abandon abortion on demand he uses it to give the states the power to decide. I agree with the limitation of power that the constitution provides the federal government and believe that most of the powers that it has it has stolen from the state. My problem with this particular issue is that if an unborn child is protected to “the right to life” by the constitution, what makes it even the right of the state to decide. To me that is a punt. I agree with ending the war on drugs, outside our borders. I believe we adhere to our drug laws and seal our borders to keep them out. Now, one last thing sinse you have me started. I believe without an ounce of doubt, as I am sure many others believe the same, Mr. Paul would get his clock wiped in the general election. He is one who through frustration our whatever has a habit of stuttering when trying to provide an aritculate message in a debate format which in turn lowers the confidence of many who believe in most of the ideas, like myself, that he provides. when it is him one on one he is very articulate but when he is in a rebuted debate he stutters and the many Americans out there who know nothing about him, but finally decide to get involved by viewing one of the debates, think he is a kook and do not think twice about him. I am aware of this through regular conversation. Lastly, Mr. Paul does very well in straw polls because all of him fans are fervent followers and vote in everyone of them. Having said that. Look at every national poll in the last 6 years and you rarely see him get any futher than second place. It happens but look at the many different polls out there right now from the past year. You might find him in first once maybe twice. That really gives one some confidence that he can beat the jackabite of a president that we currently have. Most poll that I have seen Mr. Paul in barely, on occasion, have him in the teens and never above second place. My belief is, he can’t win. I am not alone in my belief of that by far.

    • fedup

      We’re already a target, ya dumbass! 911 a-ringing a bell. Only now with wide open borders, we can be attacked whenever they want. You’re not a true conservative, you’re a fool! Ron Paul said we should get out of other countries business, he didn’t say not to keep an eye on them. The idea is simple, but effective, take care of our own house, we have enough here to be independent and be strong leaders in world market. trade with all who want trade. He who can control markets has a better chance of controlling the world than someone that controls armies. You’d be surprised how many countries will be nice to you when you have goods that they want. A true conservative minds his own business, sticks to his own knitting, and takes care of himself and his family. Without infringing on anyone else rights or liberties. It’s sheeple like you who cheered the Patriot Act for robbing us of our privacy and liberty.

    • Geno Zomparelli

      I carefully read your remarks and it is clear to me you have been brainwashed by the mainstream media. I think you should look at the facts of history and think more objectively about what is going on in this world. If you think Ron Paul’s foreign policy is “kooky” then you would have to say the same about George Washington and the founding fathers. But they’re out to get us you say? What do countries like Iran and Iraq and Afghanistan have to gain by attacking a world super power like the United States? Could their be other things going on. President Eisenhower warned us about the Military industrial Complex. War is very profitable. As long as our government plots ways to keep us in perpetual fear of the bogey man they accomplish two things: A docile fearful people asking the government to protect us from the bogey man they created, and a profitable war machine that enriches a few at the expense of the lives of our children.

      It is time for a paradigm shift in your thinking. Ron Paul understands what is really going on and once you open your eyes it becomes obvious. Ron Paul is not the ostrich. In fact neoconservatives like you have your head in the sand. Your cognitive dissonance does not allow you to see what is really going on in this world.

      Your arguments about protecting the unborn are also hypocritical. You see nothing wrong with killing innocent children in other countries yet you think our government should do more to protect the unborn child. If you want the government to dictate morality you are no different the Sharia law. Our government is a republic. It is not a religious oligarchy. A republic is based on the rule of law (the Constitution) and not on the whims of men (a democracy). I suggest you read the Federalist Papers who want to understand the principles upon which our country was founded. This are the principles Ron Paul believes in and has consistently stood for.

      You are superficial in your assessment of great men. Doesn’t the Bible warn us to beware of the smooth talking devil? People seem to have a Hollywood mentality when it comes to picking the leader of the free world. If he is not a smooth talker with a nice hairdo then he cannot possibly be the right man for the job. When will people wake up and learn the lessons of history? Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. It is time we stop playing into the false paradigms perpetuated by the left and right and consider something different, like Ron Paul. It is sad to say this, but our government is really just a reflection of the moral will of the people.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Geno Zomparelli,

        Very well said.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Lost in Paradise

        Excellent post and response. Excellent!

    • FederalistNo84

      Troy Crowe,
      It was George W. Bush that got me up off the couch. I started reading the United States Constitution and The Federalist. It took several years of study to begin to think as the Founding Fathers did. Their level of education vastly out weighs what we would consider “normal” education. That being the case I’m not surprised folks have a difficult time understanding what Ron Paul is communicating. To be clear, I’m making a general statement and not attacking you.

      Further, our present educational system has been infiltrated by the progressive/fascist/communists. We have been programmed and lied to from a very early age. And, the MSM has continued our education. We all have thinking that needs to be corrected but, I digress.

      During my years of study my wife and I talked often at the dinner table. We would talk about events of the day, attempt to quote the Constitution and connect with Jay, Hamilton and Madison. For times when memory fails we have several books at the ready. To this day my wife and I continue this exercise. It has become a way of life.

      I never liked Ron Paul. Not that long ago I heard Ron Paul speak and maybe for the first time. I almost fell off my chair. I listened to more of what he had to say. Because I had been studying we were now locked in agreement. I approached my wife and asked her to listen. She wanted nothing to do with Ron Paul. One day I got her to listen and that was it. Ron Paul thinks the United States Constitution and Rule of Law. All other Presidential candidates understand nothing about American History or The United States Constitution. At best they are incremental progressives.

      My wife and I no longer call our selves Conservatives. We are Federalists through self education.

      I would remind you, the States created the Federal government not the other way around. It is the States that can dissolve the Federal government. The People and States are sovereign. The Federal government only has the powers listed in the United States Constitution and no more. You see, the power to dissolve the Federal government was never prohibited to the States or the People by the Constitution. You should be able to quote sections of the Constitution, The Federalist and finish my points. You should also be able to identify who (today) is predisposed to usurp power within the Federal government by name and position.

    • DaveH

      If you are a militarist, Troy, you are NOT a True Conservative. Our founders disdained foreign entanglements.
      Picking a side and getting involved has nothing to do with Conservatism and everything to do with Freedom Taking. There is no greater affront to Freedom than taking the lives of other people except in self-defense.

    • JC

      Troy Crowe says:

      December 2, 2011 at 7:44 am

      First of all Mr. Livingston. I am one of those who things Ron Pauls foreign policy is a little kooky and I am a true conservative. I do not advocate pushing around other countries but neither do I advocate living like a ostrich as Mr. Paul borderline does.

      Where do you get this stuff? TV? that figures.
      Ron Paul does not advocate isolationism. he advocates non-intervention and Constitutional values…like a good American should.

    • Millicent

      Very intelligent response. I agree with you 100%. Ron Paul besides being Antisemitic is a hypocrite.

      • JeffH

        Shmuel Ben-Gad: Dr. Paul’s position is based upon a principled, modest, non-interventionist foreign policy – not upon anti-Zionism.

        It seems to me a Ron Paul presidency would be good for Israel and for the United States. Its foreign policy non-interventionism and its concern to protect national sovereignty would provide Israel with a greater impetus to increase its own independence and sense of national honor. (Shmuel Ben-Gad is a librarian at the George Washington University in Washington, DC, a registered Republican and an overseas member of Manhigut Yehudit)

        http://lewrockwell.com/block/block183.html

      • JeffH

        Millicent, you’ve not responded one time to any references or cited article regarding Paul that I’ve left for you. Is it because you can’t refute them or you can’t say anything that isn’t derogatory because you can’t back your comments up with any facts? Just askin?

      • Joe H.

        JeffH,
        Well, it’s been almost three hours since you asked that and since there is no answer( intelligent or otherwise) I would say she can’t refute them with FACTS. but being the prog she is, that doesn’t suprise me one bit!!

      • JC

        Jeff, it’s because her entire mentality is based on blind hatred.
        NOT a thinking human being at all…

      • Millicent

        Over the years I’ve sometimes been asked by supporters of Ron Paul why I don’t take him more seriously despite my own libertarian leanings on many issues. One of the reasons was on display in Monday’s GOP debate in Florida, namely Paul’s penchant for blaming the U.S. for the murderous hostility of Islamic jihadists.

        It’s one thing to have opposed U.S. intervention in Afghanistan and Iraq, or to call for a significantly smaller military budget. Fine. But it’s despicable to assert, as Paul did Monday night, that “we’re under great threat because we occupy so many countries” (my emphasis), as if that were a useful explanation for 9/11. “We’re in 130 countries,” he added. “… if we think that we can do that and not have retaliation, we’re kidding ourselves.”

        Paul went on to recite Osama bin Laden‘s stated reasons for terror attacks (before retreating somewhat under a barrage of boos), and compared the U.S. with China. “We have to be honest with ourselves,” he said. “What would we do if another country, say, China, did to us what we do to all those countries over there?”

        In Paul’s view, apparently, every foreign intervention is equally vile, no matter who the intervening country might support or what that country’s motives might be. His moral equivalence is ugly.

      • DaveH

        So, Millicent, you go over to your neighbors repeatedly for weeks, smacking them up. And then finally one day they come over to your house and smack you back. Your neighbors are the Aggressors? Maybe you can sell that to your fellow fanatics, but the wise people don’t buy it.
        Some reality:
        http://www.parstimes.com/history/us_iran.html

      • DaveH
      • Karolyn

        millicent -”We have to be honest with ourselves,” he said. “What would we do if another country, say, China, did to us what we do to all those countries over there?”

        Exactly!!!!!!!!!!! Who the hell do we think we are??

      • JC

        Millicent, I prefer to take the scope of my thinking further back than Iraq and Afghanistan. How about our support for the Shah of Iran, or the House of Saud? Both being brutal dictatorships supported by “American Interests”. We got our oil, the people there got an Iron Fist paid for with US Dollars…and they know it.
        How is it that the regimes of Hosni Mubarek and Muammar Ghadafi were tolerated by us for so long if we are so freaking noble? It took the people of those nations to rise up and throw off the regimes supported by Western Democracies and tolerated by the UN and NATO(for 30 years) to begin the process of change within those countries.
        So don’t hand me this crap about them not having any right to to be angry with us, they have every right in the world.

        That said, I will not tolerate religious nut jobs of any persuasion advocating the death of Americans for “religious reasons”.
        We may have a war on our hands before this is over, but I’d rather we quit provoking it. Time for America to mind America’s business.

      • DaveH

        Millicent’s good guys in action:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqYgHZyPNmc

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        You can find the 39-minute version of the film here. This is a “cached” version of the webpage at collateralmurder.com which I couldn’t access for some reason or other, so I don’t know how much longer it will be on the Yahoo.com servers. Scroll down to the 39-minute video:
        http://74.6.117.48/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=%22collateralmurder%22&fr=crmas&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=%22collateralmurder%22&d=4900180096780620&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=2b2d4e4c,5ae75aaf&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=RJbKT6I.evf.4IOZJS3eIA–

      • Millicent

        Representative Ron Paul (R-TX) has just introduced an amendment to end all U.S. aid to Israel. The amendment could be voted on before the day is over. I need your help right now to stop this ill-conceived proposal!

        Please click here to quickly and easily send a message to your elected representative urging them to stand with Israel.

        Don’t be deceived. This Ron Paul proposal would not lower our budget deficit. By abandoning Israel while its enemies are gaining strength, the risk of a major war in the Middle East would increase. A major war would cost the U.S. billions and billions of dollars as we have already seen in Iraq and Afghanistan.

        The U.S. gives billions of dollars a year to foreign countries that hate us and regularly vote against us at the United Nations. But, Israel votes with the U.S. 97% of the time. They are a loyal ally that shares our values. The aid they receive is used to buy military equipment from U.S. companies so the money comes back to us. Ron Paul’s proposal makes no sense.

        Please right now go to http://www.cwfpac.com to tell your congressman to stand with Israel.

        You may also call the Capitol Hill Switchboard at 202-224-3121 and ask for your representative’s office. If you don’t know his or her name, give the operator your zip code and they will transfer you. Tell them to stand with our most reliable ally Israel by opposing the Paul amendment to end all foreign aid. Please take action now!

      • DaveH

        If you want to support Israel, Millicent, fine. Send your own money, NOT mine. I’m tapped out, thanks to blind sheeple like yourself who follow the Leaders wherever they take them.

      • Karolyn

        Thanks for the the heads-up, Millicent, so I know to contact my congressman to tell him to back Paul’s bill!

      • JC

        You’re aware that we give Egypt just as much money as we do Israel right? That was part of the Camp David Peace Accord.
        We need to look after America.

  • http://Boblivingston Lyle McDaniel

    It gets harder and harder to understand why so many think we must stay at war to have peace. bring the troops home . Protect our own borders .Get rid of the immigrant baggage that costs us so much then all those troops that come home would have jobs.RON paul is absolutely right about us having no buisness trring to run other country’s buisness, when those in charge has only enough time to be on continued vacations.

    • s c

      Lyle, PLEASE read ‘Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace’ [edited by H E Barnes]. Then follow it up with Ludwig von Mises’ ‘Socialism.’ Breathe deep, and try not to go ballistic when you’re done reading those two books.

  • Sol of Texas

    Bob –

    Another great thought provoking article. I don’t see Ron Paul as an isolationist. He is consistent. I still intend to vote for him in the primary whether others think he can win or not.

    • Troy Crowe

      We will see Romney our Gingrich as the nominee partly for that reason. Of the two I would rather have Gingrich. Because Mr. Paul does not have the support to win, look at the polls, we will see one of the aforementioned two becoming the nominee. The only other choices I see in the current selection, as far as someone being comparable to Mr. Paul, would be? Get my point hence the question mark.

      • Joe Loyd

        The only reason Ron Paul “cannot” win or is “unelectable” or “lacks support” is all of you people who mostly agree with him but will not vote your conscience. The lesser of two evils is still evil! Why would you want to be on a winning team that is destructive to liberty, free markets and the Constitution of the United States? What we have been doing in this country is not working! We need a radical departure from the statist/progressive agenda and all of the candidates besides Ron Paul offer more of the same. Your support for Ron Paul would, at the very least, make him a force to be reckoned with in American politics. As it stands, the “lamestream media” gets away with marginalizing Dr. Paul and we need to vote them out, as well, by electing him to office.

      • PATRIOT 101

        Troy,
        You took the bait too. The media has you convinced that ONLY one of “their choices” can win. Get a pair and vote on principal! If we miss the chance to nominate Ron Paul, the media will have succeeded again in choosing our candidate, thus giving us (We the people) no choice at all…
        There are at least 3 candidates that deserve consideration and the media has trounced them all starting with Michelle Bachmann when she was in the lead when Fox’s Chris Wallace asked her if she was a “kook”. He later apologized, but the damage was severe and permanent as she has been sliding in the polls ever since that incident.
        Media has systematically destroyed every “leader” except Romney! Just a coincidence I’m sure.
        Media insists that only Romney or Gingrich are “electable” and the sheeple are falling in line with the propaganda machine.
        We still may have the power to reverse the course of this country through elections IF people vote their conscience. If we lose this opportunity, I fear there will be no more (at least at the polls).

      • dan

        Pat… you took the words right out of my mouth. Grat minds think alike!
        The other “dan”

      • Rosco1776

        Amen brother!! It’s Ron Paul again for me!!

        “Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” — John Quincy Adams

      • DaveH

        Most excellent quote, Rosco. Thank you.

      • s c

        T, if you’re a conservative, I’m a blood-sucking Margaret Sanger fan. If you like Gingrich, then you probably like McCain.
        WHY do you waste our time calling yourself a conservative? You might be a fence-sitter, but you’re NO conservative. You might be a RINO or a neocon, but you ARE NOT a conservative. Get it?

      • Geno Zomparelli

        Who says Ron Paul does not have the support to win? Does he have your support? YOUR support is all he needs. That’s right, it is not about what others think about RON Paul. It matters what YOU think. If everyone supported Ron Paul he will win. It is that simple. Do not confuse electing the leader of the free world with a horse race. Don’t try to pick the winner. Support the person you believe is right for America. It certainly is not Newt Gingrich or Mitt Romney. Just look at their records. Both are socialists. If either are elected we will get more of the same. If Ron Paul is elected we will get a new renaissance for this nation and the world. A Ron Paul presidency will be like the dawning of a new age. It will create a major shift in the way people of America see things.

      • libertytrain

        Amen.

      • Average Joe

        Well said!

        Ron Paul/Andrew Napolitano 2012!

      • DaveH

        Newt Gingrich? Please. The Liberals would slaughter him. And if they didn’t we wouldn’t be any better off with Newt:
        http://news.yahoo.com/newt-gingrich-pass-tea-party-muster-165541370.html

      • DaveH
      • Lost in Paradise

        IF your attitude continues to spread, he probably will not win. Suck up your dumb attitude, and help us all to get Paul a win. I do not think it will save us, but it is at least a start, before we force the existing regime from its grip on us.

  • Ted

    Ron Paul is the one we need,but if he gets in he would assinated because they only kill the good ones not the bad ones.So Obama is safe from that.He may be a kook to others but not me,if hes not on the voting list when I vote I will not vote.The usa has gone to pot,hes our only hope.To bad it wont happen,Obama has already bought the vote.

    • Troy Crowe

      “if hes not on the voting list when I vote I will not vote”. Then why don’t you get ready for more of Obummer because with that attitude, if others follow suit, that is just what you will get. Unfortunately, Mr. Paul does not have a chance at winning. Since that is the case, who would you like to have that is actually running to take Obummers place. Those are your choices. Unfortunately that is how it is for now. We need to band together and build this liberty movement and find the Ron Paul like Candidate who can actually win; Rand Paul in the future maybe. We have to play this thing as our opponents are, like a game of chess. In chess you have to our manuever your opponent to win the game and sometime along the way you have to understand that some of the good players are going to be sacrificed for the ultimate victory. Unfortunately that is the way it is here. The only difference is, Mr. Paul is not being sacrificed he just can’t pull it off.

      • PATRIOT 101

        RON PAUL has the best chance of winning the general election of all the candidates. He scores (polls) higher than anyone among independents! If RON PAUL doesn’t get the nomination, it will be because of nay sayers like you that won’t get a pair and support him!
        It will be because of “Mainstream” (Bushy) republicans telling America through all their mouthpieces in the press Ron Paul “Can’t Win”. You have taken the bait, now spit it out and support RON PAUL!

      • Betty Jo

        i will not vote Republian or Democrat either if Ron Paul or Michele Bachman are the the nominee. I will vote for the Constitution Party other party candidate.

      • Joe H.

        Betty jo,
        If you won’t support R. Paul, then get ready for more of Abummerism politics!!!

      • Lost in Paradise

        That is just plain childish. If I can’t have my way,I won’t do anything. Good greif grow up!

      • Brian

        What you fail to understand is that any of the others are just like Obama. They are all statists. If you support Romney or Gingrich you support the same policies as Obama’s. Romney was the inspiration for ObamaCare and Newt supports both cap and trade and the individual mandate. So tell us, what’s the difference?

      • Average Joe

        Troy Crowe,
        I tend to post this a lot…for those of you naysayers who lack any common sense.None of the candidates are electable….unless we vote for them…got it? None of them……

        If it weren’t such a serious matter, it would be almost funny…listening to everyone complaining that this candidate did this…or that candidate did that ( as if the things that they complain about are something new….they aren’t).
        Then, when anyone points out that there is one candidate out of the whole batch ( both sides)….(with a 30 year history to prove it)..who has never done any of these things, who has always been honest, forthright and a defender of the Constitution….someone who has stood up for smaller, less intrusive government, sound currency and personal freedoms…….everyone goes wild … calling the man everything except…a viable candidate.
        Why is that?
        It is obvious to me ( as it should be to everyone else) that what we have been doing….ISN”T WORKING…..and maybe…just maybe, it’s time to take a new approach to the way this nation is beng run. Maybe, just maybe it’s time to stop electing “business as usual” “mainstream” candidates….who continue to run our nation into the ground while ignoring the will of the people and the rule of law.
        If we were to elect Dr. Ron Paul, could he really be any worse than what we’ve had over the last 40+ years (both sides)? If we were to elect him and he doesn’t make changes that positively affect our nation….can we not vote him out in another 4 years?
        Albert Einstein once said that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over…and expecting to get a different result. Isn’t it time that we stopped the insanity?
        While I am not asking anyone to vote for any particular candidate, I will ask that you spend more time actually looking into all of the candidates’ backgrounds ( voting records, campaign finances…who they’ve made deals with etc.). learn everything you can about the candidates (not the MSM talking heads versions…do the research yourselves), so that on election day….you can make an informed decision about who you want to represent you in government….
        Remember, what they do is a direct reflection on us…..if they do foolish things….it makes us look like we elected foolish people….which means we look like fools for electing them in the first place.
        I don’t know about anyone else, but I am tired of the insanity and will be casting my vote for Ron Paul.
        You can say that I am wasting my vote….well , I guess that’s OK….it is after all…MY….vote……it doesn’t belong to any party or candidate….it belongs to me …to cast as my conscience dictates.
        I hope eveyone makes informed decisions concerning our future as a nation.
        The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.
        John F. Kennedy

      • Geno Zomparelli

        Well said, my friend. Well said.

        The government is truly a reflection of the people. If we do not learn the issues ourselves and make informed decisions when we select our leaders we will get whatever they tell us to believe. Ron Paul may not be perfect. He is not a smooth talker and he does not look like a movie star, but he is a man of integrity with a consistent record that is as clear as a sunny day.

        Our country was based on christian principles, but our founders were wise enough to know that religion has no place in government. Rather than imposing their religious values on others our founders believed in the right of the people to believe whatever they wanted to believe. I have no right to interfere with another man’s pursuit of happiness. They wisely created a Republic that is based on the rule of law. They recognized that a diverse people may not agree on some things and they created a government that protected everyone’s right to believe what they wish. Our country is based on the principle that though I may not agree with someone about an issue, I will defend their right to believe it. This principle is what made America the light on the hill. The greatest nation ever conceived by the minds of men.

        Unfortunately, ignorance and apathy have dimmed the once bright light because the people have failed to remain vigilant to defend the values that keep the light shining.

      • ChristyK

        Our founders did expect Religious individuals in our government. They just didn’t want the Government legislating religion like the Church of England. They did believe that our government would only work with a “moral and religious people”.

      • Bob in Boston

        Ron Paul is in 1st in Iowa and 2nd in NH. To say that he “can’t win” is ridiculous. He can and will win, despite the media and the establishment trying to convince everyone that he can’t.

      • Lost in Paradise

        We need to play this think like our founding fathers, and remove this corrupt government like we are told in our founding documents. To Hell with voting, it will get us nothing, just prolong the inevitable.

        Stand up and fight like real men, and Patriots, or lose everything doing nothing. It would be much better to die trying, than to die crying that you lost everything, and WISHED you had tryed.

      • Lee

        Exactly!! I said this same thing 10 years ago and still do.

      • Millicent

        I think Ron Paul is an idiot. However, I have listened and read a lot of what Rand Paul (can you believe this jerk actually named his son after a Nazi like Any Rand?)has said. I so far find no fault with his thinking. However, he has lived with his nutsy old man for a long time. One can only hope that he can form his own opinions and not succumb to his father’s stupidity.If he can keep rational thinking, I will support what he stands for.

      • JeffH

        Millicent, you make these mean spirited comments about Ron Paul, yet you cite nothing, other than your hate twisted opinion, to support your hateful rhetoric.

        Simply put…YOU ARE A TROLL…

      • Average Joe

        Tis a pity that the TROLL won’t stay under her bridge……

      • Millicent

        It’s real simple, anyone who says our policy contributed to 9/11 or it’s okay for Iran to have nukes is a total idiot. That doesn.t make me a troll, just realistic. You Ron Paul morons don’t have any common sense. I hope you all have your bomb shelters built from back in the late 50′s, you’ll need them.

      • JeffH

        No Millicent, it make you a moron! Your’s is a typical MSM generated response.

        Ron Paul did not blame the United States for the 9-11 attacks or even say that the United States had “invited” them.

        The absurd idea that Ron Paul blamed the US for the 9/11 attacks arose out of the Republican presidential primary debate at the University of South Carolina on May 15, 2007.

        During the debate, Paul asserted that terrorists attacked the United States on September 11 “because we’ve been over there; we’ve been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We’ve been in the Middle East.” When asked by co-moderator and Fox News White House correspondent Wendell Goler if he was suggesting that “we invited the 9-11 attack,” Paul replied: “I’m suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it.”

        During a postdebate interview, Fox News host Sean Hannity asked Paul: “Are you suggesting the United States of America caused the attack on 9-11?” Paul replied: “No, I think that’s a cop-out.” Hannity then asked: “Are you suggesting that our policies are causing the hatred of people that would cause them to want to kill us?” Paul responded: “I think it contributes significantly to it, and this is exactly what our CIA tells us. Paul later stated explicitly: “[T]he Americans didn’t do anything to cause [9-11].”

        Yet when describing the confrontation between Paul and Giuliani during the debate, numerous media figures claimed that Paul “blamed” the United States for 9-11 or said that the United States was “responsible” for the attacks, and they made no mention of his subsequent clarification. In addition, some not only accepted Giuliani’s interpretation of what Paul said but praised Giuliani’s response.
        http://mediamatters.org/research/200705160009

      • JC

        Totally twisted freak.

      • Average Joe

        Millicent,

        For future reference……

        It is better to keep your mouth shut and let us wonder if you’re an idiot…rather than for you to open it and remove all doubt!

        For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen.
        Douglas Adams

      • Millicent

        Speak for yourself.

      • Average Joe

        There ya go Millie…you prove my point…yet again.
        Once again?…please?

      • Joe H.

        Average joe,
        It’s terrible!! Somewhere out there, over some river, spanning some distance, some bridge is missing its troll!! Millitrollcent!!

      • Average Joe

        The scary thing is, I’m actually enjoying …playing with the Troll……

        How to metaphorically bury a Troll

        1) Invite the Troll on your radio show,TV show or blog site.

        2) Hand them a shovel

        3) Watch

        4) Applaud.

        5) Make sure you get the shovel back.
        ;)

      • Joe H.

        Average Joe,
        In there some where you should have added step#? ocasionally kick some dirt into said hole!!! I’m not afraid of a little work!!!LOL!

      • Geno Zomparelli

        Milli: What common sense are you using to explain how building 7 collapsed into its own footprint when it was not touched by a plane? What common sense are you using to explain the lack of any plane wreakage on the Pentagon site? Where are the engines and tail? Rather than listen to the MSM try thinking for yourself. Could a single plane really collapse an over engineered steel structure like the WTF? Hey, it is hard to swallow, I know, but it is what it is. As soon as you resolve your cognitive dissonance the truth will become obvious.

      • JC

        Exactly right, and even if it were a bunch of radical muslims who couldn’t fly planes anyway…Dear Millicient refuses to acknowledge the reality of our Corporate Crony Foreign policy completely F-ing over the people of foreign nations who have become so embittered with Americans that they actually want to see us die.
        All thanks to her idols of the past and present…the bought and paid for White House and it’s Military Contractor pals.
        That’s not a shot at out Military personnel either, it’s an ugly truth about our system.

        I wonder if Milli realizes that in 2008 and so far this year, Ron Paul has more contributions from the Military than all the other candidates combined. There’s a reason for that.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Ted_ Agreed!__Lincoln was trying to squash the FED and so was JFK, where did they end up?__If ya don’t play by the rules your dead!

      • Carlucci

        Andrew Jackson (“Old Hickory”) did succeed in getting central bankers out of the picture and survived two assassination attempts on the same day. What is different between then and now is that the population was aware of what was going on with the bankers and were behind him. Ask the majority these days if the Federal Reserve is really “federal” and you will most like get a “yes”.

        For the people that are new to this board, if you want to know more, watch this 2010 award winning documentary, “The Secret of Oz”:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkq2E8mswI

      • Angel Wannabe

        Carlucci, It’s a shame, a lot of Folks don’t know the Fed isn’t really Federal, a good place to start is check the Yellow pages, The Federal Reserve is NOT listed among Government Agencies.

      • Buddy

        Federal or not, the FED’s got to go.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Buddy_ Absolutely Agreed, but threats and Past Assassinations are a Factor, our Electives are fearful, I suppose they think it’s less of a risk to stand and watch our downfall, that to try and stop them._-We definitely need another George Washington.

      • Joe H.

        Carlucci,
        One other thing that was different is that Jackson HAD A PAIR!!! I believe it was him that killed a man in a duel??

      • Dan

        Right, the Feds had Lincoln and Kennedy assassinated. For all those who are calling for the auditing and dissolution of the Federal Reserve what would that get us in the world economy that exists now? I can imagine the investigation would reveal there is no Gold, the Feds have been ripping off the American people and we simply shut down the Fed.

        I can see that happening if we did not owe the world/China 15 trillion dollars and have over 40 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

        All I can see from this scenario is a total financial collapse of the US economy and global war.

        There has to be a better answer, I just don’t see it.

      • DaveH

        You’re wrong, Dan. We could simply stop them from printing or creating any more fiat money. And then open the markets up to banking competition. Any future dollars printed or created would be required to be backed by hard assets.
        In the hundred years before 1913, the dollar actually increased in value. That is people could actually buy more with their saved dollars.
        In the almost hundred years since 1913 the dollar has declined dramatically in value. In 1913 the dollar could buy 20 times the amount of goods that a dollar can buy now.
        Fiat dollars allow Government and their Crony Bankers to steal from those of us who try to save our money by diminishing the purchasing power of our saved money. Whenever new money is created the receivers of the new money (bailout recipients, etc.) benefit and the rest of us lose.

      • DaveH

        Read this book, Dan, and learn everything you need to know about money:
        http://mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf

      • Angel Wannabe

        Daveh, I agree with all you’ve said, But the question remains, Just who is Going to stop this?

      • DaveH

        Only an educated citizenry can do it, Angel. I’m afraid that’s our only hope for Freedom and its resultant Prosperity.

      • Angel Wannabe

        DaveH, Agreed!, A lot of Folks have woken up, but I don’t think there enough awake to the extent that we need!_-I have those in our own Family that refuse to believe that a takeover has happened and the road we’re on os one to destrustion of Liberty and Freedom._-It’s the same old adage Dave, you can lead a horse to water, but can’t make them drink._ Guaranteed, They’ll get thirsty when the waters gone!

      • Angel Wannabe

        Daveh, Sorry for the spelling errors.

      • Angel Wannabe
      • JeffH

        DaveH, I agree wholeheartedly…”we the people” are the only ones capable of stopping the madness and as you say, it must be an “educated citizenry”…our Constitution provides that path to self govern.

        “self government” starts with government of “self” and with individual responsibility. It is then delegated upwards, from the family to the local government, then to the State and eventually to the federal government.

        We, the people, have agreed to delegate our power to our representatives in Congress, to our President and to the institutions and mechanisms that make government work. We call this representative democracy. We call the United States a republic.

        The founding fathers used the concepts of “fragmented power”, “de-centralized power” and “enumerated powers”, as an insurance and protection against the temptation of tyranny, whether by a single person, or by an institution.

        The framers of the Constitution protected us, the people, by fragmenting the power among three branches of government: the Executive, the Judicial and the Legislative.
        http://www.selfgovernmentfoundation.com/

    • Millicent

      Who would waste a bullet on this old phoney” Get lost you RP idiots.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Millicent, YOur obviously the Liberal here, YOU take a powder and have a Nice Day! :)

      • Millicent

        I am far from liberal. I despise the commie Muslim Kenyan illegally in the WH. I understand that we can’t have everything we would like to have in a candidate. I have my misgivings about some of the ones I favor. However, if we can gain the Senate and keep the House, even if the pos Obama steals the election, he can be neutralized. I will however support whomever the Republican nominee is, unlike most Paul supporters who want to abandon the election or do a write in, which gives the lowlife Obama the win.

      • JeffH

        Millicent, unfortunately, you come off as one very miserable and hateful individual…just sayin’ the hate you project ain’t pretty…take a breath and gather yourself up, check for missing body parts, listen for the soothing sounds of the wind whistling between your temples then relax.

      • Joe H.

        JeffH,
        She could always listen to the wind as it entered one ear and exited the other!!! She’s another that if someone gave her a whole brain she’d have a half!!!

      • http://deleted Claire

        Millicent– Who is your choice for the GOP nominee?

      • JeffH

        OBAMA!

      • Angel Wannabe

        JeffH___LMAO!!!

      • Millicent

        Not on your life. Only the one who I think can beat him

      • JC

        Only the one you think can beat Obama…and give us more of the same, right?
        People like you are the reason this country is in the shape it’s in…
        Trained Hamsters.

      • Millicent

        I think the best choice, despite what he said about immigration, is Newt Gingrich, second Romney. Gingrich would draw blood in a debate with the Kenyan Muslim Commie pos. I like Bachmann, but don’t believe she has a chance. David Axelrod, Obama’s propagand minister, has destroyed Cain, whom I like as an individual. However, Cain lacks what is needed IMO to lead us in international affairs. I feel the same way about Paul in regard to international affairs. To call me an Obama supporter just because I am opposed to Ron Paul is ludicrous. Guess what, if Ron Paul got the nomination, I would vote for him. I would do that because if the Conservatives can capture the Senate and retain the House, then anything Paul wants to do to kill us internationally could be stopped. My vote is ABO, even Ron Paul

      • Average Joe

        In other words, what you are saying is that you are a “Party Loyalist”, but you have no moral principles that you stand on? I am gathering from your post, that if Adolf Hitler was nominated by the “Party”…you would vote for him…..what a friggin lamebrain you’ve turned out to be…….the lesser of two evils….is still…EVIL. Anyone that would vote for someone…simply because a “party” says to vote for them…..is an utter moron….just like you ….Millicent. BTW, do you kiss your mother or your children with that foul mouth?….ewwwwww!

        You live and learn. At any rate, you live.
        Douglas Adams

      • JeffH

        Average Joe, Millicent is onviously a very deep sleeper, uhh, I mean thinker.

      • Joe H.

        JeffH,
        It cpould be worse, she could be a super delegate!!! Or even worse, a member of the electorial college!! Nah, she doesn’t have the minute material between the ears for that!!!

      • Average Joe

        “Who would waste a bullet on this old phoney”

        That depends…Are you the old phony that you are refering too? If so, I’d be willing to waste an entire clip…..hell, maybe two….just for the practice.

    • Joe H.

      Ted,
      LISTEN UP, BUDDY! IF HE’sNOT ON THE LIST, THEN WRITE HIM IN!!!!!

  • Elwood

    No mention by you of slavery in the South, No mention by you of Islamic terrorism or the desire to spread Islamic sharia law world wide. You guys seem to believe just as obama does, be nice to them and they will be nice to you. Pretty weak thinking.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Elwood,

      Non sequiturs. VERY weak thinking.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Elwood

        I speak english. Please explain.

      • Average Joe

        non se·qui·turs Plural
        Dictionary….what a wonderful idea…..Who would have guessed that you can actually look words and phrases up in it (or online for that matter)?
        NOUN
        1. incongruous statement: a statement that appears unrelated to a statement that it follows
        2. unwarranted conclusion: a conclusion that does not follow from its premises
        [ < Latin, "it does not follow" ]

      • Elwood

        Well?

      • Elwood

        I disagree. It does matter. Big time. It is no longer a tiny little world that one can remain in a blessful cacoon and attempt to hide from evil.
        Thank you for being a high tech translater.

      • DaveH

        Who has a military presence in more foreign countries, the muslims, or the Americans?

      • JC

        The US has a military presence in 197 countries.
        It’s Imperialism and unConstitutional, plain and simple.

      • Average Joe

        “Thank you for being a high tech translater.”

        There was nothing high tech about it…I simply typed the word into my browser and POOF…there it was….. Are you telling us that you aren’t smart enough to find answers on your own?…that we need to hold your hand and walk you through something so simple? No wonder you’re lost somewhere out there in LaLa land……

        The next time you are sitting around watching “Wheel of Fortune…don’t buy a vowel….buy a clue!

        Never insult anyone by accident.
        Robert A. Heinlein

        and

        Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
        Robert A. Heinlein

    • ArkansasRebel

      I don’t understand your point about “slavery in the south”. Also, you say “slavery in the south” as though there was no slavery in the northern states. Simple hypocracy! Remember, Lincoln’s emancipation proclamation freed slaves in the southern states but northern states continued to hold slaves. Check your history.

      • Karolyn

        I didn’t read that in the history book I’ve been studying.

      • JeffH

        For political reasons, the proclamation did not free slaves in the states that supported the Union. Nor did it free slaves in the areas around Norfolk, Virginia, and New Orleans, Louisiana. Many men throughout the North would fight to save the Union. They would not fight to free the slaves.

        Lincoln also needed the support of the four slave states that had not left the Union: Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland and Missouri. He could not be sure of their support if he declared that the purpose of the war was to free the slaves.
        http://www.manythings.org/voa/history/105.html

        In an 1862 letter to New York newspaper editor Horace Greeley, Lincoln wrote: “My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union.”

        Lincoln revoked Union Gen. John C. Fremont’s 1861 emancipation of Missouri’s slaves, and Lincoln’s 1863 Emancipation Proclamation did not free any slaves because it applied only to that part of the Confederacy still under Confederate control. Slave states still in the Union were exempted, as was Washington.

      • libertytrain

        I think she needs to read more books…. :)

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Karolyn,

        What history book are you reading and who wrote it?

        ‘Tis true. Read it for yourself: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/featured_documents/emancipation_proclamation/transcript.html

        According to William Seward, Lincoln’s Secretary of State, “We show our sympathy with slavery by emancipating slaves where we cannot reach them and holding them in bondage where we can set them free.”

        Best wishes,
        Bob

    • Millicent

      Thanks for an intelligent response to these idiots who support the old fool Ron Paul

      • JeffH

        The troll brigade is back!

      • Millicent

        No just sane and sensible people who realize what an idiot Paul is.

      • JeffH

        As I said…troll!

      • Joe H.

        Millie,
        Troll, troll and nothing but a troll!!!

      • JC

        You don’t make any sense Millicent, all you’re doing is spweing unfounded, bigoted anti-American hatred.
        So which of the bought and paid for Globalists are you backing?

      • libertytrain

        she mentioned earlier that she was a “newtist” :)

      • JC

        You mean Newt Gingrich? That salamander with the “for sale” sign on his back? Pathetic. More of the same old…

      • JC

        “I think we prefer to go to instant check on an immediate basis and try to accelerate implementing instant checks so that you could literally check by thumbprint… Instant check is a much better system than the Brady process.” — Newt Gingrich June 27, 1997

        That’s our Newt!
        Just another Big Brother Control Freak.

  • Duffy

    Ron Paul is not an isolationist, he rather believes in pragmatic approach to world affairs, ie not invading/putting our peoples lives in danger to support drugs and oil. But being fully engaged on a global basis for good business and relations all in the best interest of American citizens. True – Ron Paul cannot be elected as the global controllers will not allow it. They want Romney or Gingrich both of which are in the controller’s camp.

    • johnk

      Now that seems to be the truth after seeing all the polls …. and seeing that the media still puts romney on top.

    • Lost in Paradise

      They will also create more war!

  • Dan

    I could never support Ron Paul simply because he blames the US for 911 and he supports Iran’s right to develop a nuclear weapon to the detriment of Israel.

    • KJQ

      Dan, from what I read Ron Paul said that American ‘contributed’ to the 911 attacks by antagonizing those in the middle east. It’s an unprovable idea and so not worth dwelling upon. He made it in the context of arguing against foreign US bases and incursions, which I happen to agree with. As for Iran, they ARE developing nuclear arms and Obama isn’t doing anything effective to stop them. To be fair, neither is any other country except Israel, and it’s unlikely any other Republican candidate would either. In reality, both Russia and China support both Iran and Syria, so any significant actions against either country by the US risks starting WWIII. I think Israel will take care of the Iranian nuclear threat long before they have any weapons built. Ron Paul has his faults, but he’s far and away the closest thing to the type of leader the US needs to get it back on track towards what the founders had in mind, and what made America great. Sadly, I don’t think he will get the nomination and the GOP will pick another middle-of-the-road candidate (remember McCain) who will lose to Obama.

      • Troy Crowe

        I agree with everything you have said for the most part. The one thing that gets me is that the individuals from that region of the world with radical islamist ideas are all over the world causing the same chaos as they do in their own land. So what Mr. Paul suggests is to crawl into our borders like a cacoon and not have any military influence in the world but instead isolate ourselves within our borders. Put all you eggs in one basket one provides your enemies with less targets to focus on. Much of our strength come strickly from being spread out. I believe that we should have strategic positions throughout the world but be very cautious and slow to get into a war. There are so many countries who do not believe as we Americans do, not our politians, that without our help would pulverize other small nations who rely on our protection. It is not all as it would seem in some of those circumstances either and I am not nieve to think that all is of those aformention purpose either. We Americans need to take control of our government, stop sitting it out on our couches, and make the many determinations that need to be made to assure that our actions in the world are of good intention and not bullying.

      • KJQ

        Some good points, Troy. I think, though, that this is become a moot point. US debt is so high that it’s either draconian cuts or a total economic collapse. The US is printing money as fast as the presses will run (a.k.a. ‘quantitative easing’ – sickening euphemism). The number of US dollars in circulation has TRIPLED in three years! The real inflation and unemployment rates are NOT stated. Have you checked your grocery bill lately? Filled up your car?

        In summary, the US can no longer afford to have bases outside of the US.

      • s c

        T, it took you 23 lines of words to make it obvious that you’re an interventionist. BFD! If you REALLY believe it, join the military, get into a combat unit (and survive), and then you can tell us from experience the difference between an interventionist and a realist (no intervention and no entangling alliances).

      • Brian

        Bingo!

      • eddie47d

        I always look to what happened to the Soviet Empire which was also stretched out over the world. Their military expanded so much in territorial conquests and in wars that the expense of maintaining that Empire caused that collasped. Ron Paul has the vison to see that financial overload and collaspe right here.

      • APN

        eddieISM…… RONALD REGAN caused the collapse of the Soviet Empire my friend!

      • DaveH

        No, Troy, what Ron Paul is suggesting is that we butt out of other countries’ internal politics like we expect them to butt out of ours.
        If you want to pick a side and donate money, feel free, but leave the rest of us out of your choices.

      • APN

        DaveH, Then if that is the case, then what would Ron Paul suggest I do if my neighbor has a 50 cal machine gun pointed at my house? Should I just ignore it and tell my children not to worry or should I call the local police department and report him?

        Given that, what duty does the local police department have in this case? Let’s say they come out and find that the neighbor doesn’t really have a 50 cal, but he freely and willingly tells them, “Well, my neighbor is wrong, I don’t have one YET, this one is a fake, but I’m saving up my money to get a real one, and as soon as I do, I’m going to wipe those xastards off the face of the planet!”

        Now, this is where I get lost in the libertarian mindset. Given the aforesaid, are you suggesting to me that I just sit around and wait on my lunatic neighbor to obtain a 50 cal machine gun and then kill a couple of my children before I act? Or would you suggest I just sell my house and move? i.e.; Cut and run???

        I mean I agree with you that we need to get our nose out of the worlds business however when a NATION(IRAN) is led by an INSANE fool that has proclaimed death at all cost to we Americans, then I’ve got a REAL problem with that, and Ron Paul’s suggestion to stick our heads in the sand, just makes ZERO sense to me. Just appears to me to be foolish and an invitation to disaster. A nuclear disaster…..

      • Larry Maynard

        As in most things we can decide on quality or quantity. We can have a strong US or spread ourselves all over the world until we don’t have a country left.

      • Joe H.

        Troy,
        What do you think defeated Hitler? He had his forces so spread out that it was almost impossible to supply them with food, let alone fuel!! He was weakened by being spread out, not strengthened!!

      • APN

        What defeated Hitler was his out of control sociopathic EGO but most significantly——> P A T T O N ‘ S 3rd ARMY…….

      • Dan

        I really think Islamic countries will see Ron Paul as a weak president, even weaker than Obama.

      • Brian

        Let them think what they want. And let them be surprised when, after Ron Paul has brought the troops home to defend us instead of fighting these foreign wars of offense, they are unable to attack because our military is actually defending the US. BTW, Dr. Paul served in the military. The chosen one’s have not. As a vet I have little use for a Commander-in-Chief with no mitary experience. It’s easy to send others off to die when you’ve never had to stare down the barrel of the enemy.

      • Bob Marshall

        I served as a Marine for three tours in Vietnam and like most veterans and enlisted men and women today ii can see the foreign policies of the US goes back to the former PNAC plans for reshaping the middle east.They even stated that all they needed was another event like Pearl harbor. unfortunately not enough people bother to research. They either don’t care, are in denial or trust the corporate controlled news media for their information.

      • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

        Actually they respect that Ron Paul has tried to be fair – and that he hears their side of the matter as far as provocations go – they do not deem this a weakness

      • JeffH

        Dan, better to have them “think” it than to have “know” it as is the case now under the present community organizer in chief.

      • Lastmanstanding

        Guys…I watched the planes hit on 911…I wanted retribution.

        I will keep this short as I’m a not a conspiracy theorist…I gather info, look at history, build and engineer things…understand how physics of the planet work…I search for facts to substantiate everything that i do.

        check out http://www.sonsoflibertyacademy.com it is a 48 hour (in 10 modules) complation of things that you should see regarding the last 200 years…It is 48 hrs of relentless info that you owe it to your kids and grandkids to watch…please check it out then make your own call…for a shorter version google “the greatest story never told.”

        Module 7 is about 8 hrs long and is on 911…i studied metallurgy in college for several years…I had to quit watching/listening half way
        thru as I was so angry i couldn’t hardly comprehend what I was hearing.
        Check it out for yourself then make your own call based on what you have seen in your lifetime.

      • Lastmanstanding

        Also check out the blog…dont-tread-on.me

    • Brian

      So does the CIA. They call it Blowback.

      • JC

        Yep! “Blowback”. The end result of meddling in foreign affairs wherein we support dictatorships friendly to American Interests.
        Read that as “Corporate Government Crony” interests.
        Funny how the citizens of those nations can see where the guns and training come from for the Police States they’ve been forced to live in. England is just as guilty too.

    • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

      You did NOT get that from Ron Paul – you got that from phonies like Hannity that blurred the distinction between the actions of an out of control gov’t and the people that gov’t CLAIMS to be acting in the interests of. “Naturally the people do not want to go to war, but it is the politicians that make the decisions, it is a simple matter….” Joseph Goebbels I believe – sound familiar? What he said is true enough – so why do not notice why they morph Ron Paul into saying things he simply did NOT say?

      As for him “allowing” Iran to build the “Bomb” – you give far – far too much credence to the same people that made unfounded allegations of yellowcake Uranium ore based on poorly forged documents – and then made out hydrogen generating equipment out to be mobile Anthrax fermentation labs and took what they knew to be an unreliable source [Curveball] to substantiate their claim – curveball has since admitted he lied.

      Iran cannot even make enough of its own gasoline – their ability to enrich is barely 20% to make certain medical applications – no where even remotely close to the 90%+ level for weapons grade. Iran IS unlike “Israel” a signed member of the NPT – and contrary to all the Zionist propaganda – has been fully compliant – ON THE OTHER HAND “Israel” is NOT a member of the NPT although they are required to be to receive our foreign aid – has HUNDREDS of state of the art “devices” and delivery systems. Smell that? hypocrisy – and duplicity is a “blessing”

      There are 25,000 Iranian Jews peacefully coexisting with their Muslim friends and neighbors – the largest Jewish community outside of “Israel” in the entire Middle East – but did you expect to hear about this from the Zionist Dominated media?

      JewsNotZionists.org JewsAgainstZionism.com NKUSA.com

      Or do you know that there exists a Satanic counterfeit of Judaism that the Bible calls “The Synagogue of Satan” [Rev. 2:9 & 3:9] – they created the global fiat scam – they run the conventional media – they created this counterfeit political entity that calls itself “Israel” – I agree with the Anti-Zionist Jews – explain how that makes me “Antisemitic”? or how twisting Ron Paul’s words to make him say something he didn’t is in anyway fair?

      • Realist

        The most sensible reply I have read all morning!

      • sean e.stanton

        Bravo Mark Dabney!!
        I was thinking of an intelligent response,then I read your comment!
        You sum it up quite well.
        I have always considered my views as “A” political,lending thought to both sides.Ron Paul is the only chance WE THE PEOPLE have at returning to normalcy.

      • Monte

        Mark D. Only a fool would not know that shadowy, behind the curtain, powers are behind everything taking place. And that these same villains control the media, so that we have only lies, distortions, and complete fabrications to rely on for information. But who, exactly, are these evil usurpers? Even this site never makes that clear. We hear of ‘the ruling elites’, ‘the ruling class’, ‘the powers-that-be’ and other such generalities, but never a clear picture of who these vermin actually are. I have for some time suspected the Zionists, but have been unable to gather any concrete evidence of this. As the creators of communism – and I understand that the Soviet Union, at conception, was financed by New York Zionists – I believe them to be the main culprits in the spread of the leftist agenda, both here and in Europe. The international banking cartels also seem to be under the control of the Zionists. Hence, they are prime candidates, in my opinion. But, if they are the evil force behind everything, why is this not made public at the conservative websites? Do you have any books that you would suggest on the subject. I mean, something with hard, concrete evidence? I am convinced that the Zionists are some of the most evil people on earth. Also their connection with the Neocons is suspect. I wonder if Neocon and Zionist might not be two ways of saying the same thing.

      • Millicent

        You have just proved my point that Ron Paul and his supporters are Antisemites.

      • JeffH

        Dr. Paul does not have a single solitary anti-Semitic bone in his entire body.
        Why is Ron Paul charachterized in this way? Ignorance! It’s because Ron Paul opposes foreign aid…to everyone. RP knows full well that foreign “aid” harms recipients, amounts to a theft from Americans, and has no Constitutional warrant. And, since he is a principled man, he makes no exceptions in this regard. He would cut off the spigot for all foreign countries, including Israel as well.
        http://lewrockwell.com/block/block183.html

      • Joe H.

        JeffH,
        Gee Jeff, you mean under Dr. Paul, we would stop paying foreign aid to China, the country we are borrowing so much money from?? the same country that is doing their best to replace the dollar as the global currency?? DAMN GOOD IDEA!!!!

    • Average Joe

      Dan,
      Please take the time to read:
      http://www.thenewamerican.com/opinion/jack-kerwick/9097-the-case-against-ron-paul-is-defeated

      Ron Paul/Andrew Napolitano 2012!

      Have a great day

      • Dan

        I read the article and when it gets to the following statement is when I have a real hard time believing he has a grasp of Islam.

        “To begin with, Paul emphatically rejects the proposition — treated as an axiom by the Republican Party — that Muslims hate us because of our liberties and freedoms. Rather, it is a hyper-aggressive American foreign policy, he insists, with its occupation of and sanctions and wars against Islamic lands, that accounts for the rage that culminated in the attacks of 9/11″

        Muslims have hated and fought all Muslim countries since the beginning of time. I has nothing to do with foreign policy. What Muslim country have we occupied prior to 911? Muslims hate us because it is their religion and nothing else.

      • Dan

        I forgot to all all “non-Muslim” in the first sentence.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Dan,

        You write: “What Muslim country have we occupied prior to 911?” Is that a serious question?

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Dan

        Yes it is. I can’t think of any.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Dan,

        Here are a few for you: Lebanon, troops removed after bombing of Marine Barracks. Saudi Arabia: Most troops withdrawn in 2003. Kuwait, Kosovo, Bahrain and Qatar. And these are the ones that are officially acknowledged.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Joe H.

        Bob Livingston,
        I would think Dan owes you a vote of “THANKS”!!

      • Bob in Boston

        That’s such crap – have you actually been to the middle east? The whole “they hate us because of our freedom” is laughable.

      • Dan

        Who said anything about them hating us for our “freedom”? Is there anything in my statement that says that? They hate us because we are infidels and no other reason. I was in Desert Storm and I was in Iran before the fall of the Shah. When I was in Iran we had just given them several warships and even their sailors who wanted our training displayed outright hate and contempt for us. They treated us as lessor beings. I’m also tired of the crap about Muslims for the most part are peace loving and not radical.

      • DaveH

        Dan says “They treated us as lessor beings”.
        And how are you treating them, Dan?

      • Dan

        DaveH: are you implying that I treated them bad? If you are your an absolute idiot. When training their sailors I treated them with respect and worked my ass off to teach them what they needed to know. I treated them as adults and fellow sailors.

      • DaveH

        It sure sounds to me, Dan, that you think of them as inferior. If you don’t, why do you advocate our military presence in their countries?

      • DaveH

        By the way, Dan, I’m an absolute Idiot? Do you truly expect me to believe that you treat them respectfully when you can’t even refrain from disrespecting me?

      • sean e.stanton

        Sorry to read Dan,that your views are so tunneled.
        The United States has been poking around with our military for far too long.We have indiscriminately bombed other countries killing millions.There is a statistic but then again,WE THE PEOPLE are NOT kept informed as to all of our military actions!
        It is naive to think that Islamic countries are out to get us because of our way of life.
        It is and has been the use of our military that provokes a negative response from Islam.
        There is a political agenda pertaining to Southwest Asia,DIRTY POLITICS,and there lies the problem!!!

      • Dan

        In a tunnel? Those who believe Muslim people hate us simply because of our foreign policy has the tunnel vision. Muslims hate us because we are non-Muslim. We are Muslims so in tight with Communists countries like China and Russia? And if you don’t believe Russia is returning to communism then I give up. Why did Muslims back Hitler during WWII? I suggest it may be that Communism has no room for Christianity.

      • sean e.stanton

        Dan my friend,
        your research method’s are extremely flawed!

      • Millicent

        I realize if I am lucky I might end up in an old age home. (certainly not if Obama the commie has anything to say about it) However, I haven’t reached that point yet. Certainly nutjob Ron Paul has and beyond it seems

      • Joe H.

        Millie,
        go back to daily kos and tell them that you came, you tried, it didn’t work, and you want your check!!!

      • Lost in Paradise

        I also have noticed this in Paul, but we must give him a chance. He will learn very quickly about Islam, and more than likely change is mind as most others have already.

      • Millicent

        He is so full of himself and his Libertarian ideas that he will never face facts. Thank God he is 76 and will be in a home for senile old fools soon

      • JeffH

        Millicent, what goes around, comes around…if you’re not old now, you may be old someday too…if you manage to live that long. The Lord works in mysterious ways.

      • libertytrain

        If millicent is here to share meaningful dialog she has failed miserably

      • Joe H.

        libertytrain,
        on the contrary! She has tried very hard to do EXACTLY what her handlers have instructed her to do!! That she does not have the intellectual fortitude to succeed doens’t enter the picture!!!

      • libertytrain

        perhaps newts wife or wife in waiting -

      • DaveH

        Millicent says “He is so full of himself and his Libertarian ideas that he will never face facts”.
        What are those facts, Millicent? Please enlighten us, so that we may learn from your wisdom.
        Then Millicent destroys any shred of decency she might have otherwise claimed with this statement — “Thank God he is 76 and will be in a home for senile old fools soon”.
        I have long believed that those who don’t follow their own moral codes (that behavior which they expect from others) are their own worst enemies in the long run. Deep down we all know when we aren’t being consistent with what we expect from others. We can’t hide from that inconsistency and it takes a toll on our happiness sooner or later. Change your ways, Millicent, or you will pay a heavy price.

      • TML

        “Muslims have hated and fought all Muslim countries since the beginning of time. It has nothing to do with foreign policy.”

        Since the beginning of time, heh? Your own ignorance is rather amusing. FYI, it wasn’t until the Crusades (intervention) that Muslims united into coherent nations of Islam. It has everything to do with foreign policy, even today.

        “What Muslim country have we occupied prior to 911?”

        Aside from occupaions that Bob pointed out… were we not bombing Iraq for 10 years prior to 9/11? Hmmm, I think so.

        “Muslims hate us because it is their religion and nothing else.”

        A lot of them do indeed look down upon the infidel (non-muslim), and may treat them as lesser beings, but that isn’t hate. They hate us when we intervene in their own affairs, bomb their countries, and kill their leaders… that is why they hate us.

      • Mark in LA

        Well TML not quite true. The battle of Tours in 732 preceeds the Crusades by 300 years and was the first time the Arabic empire and Islam was stopped as it attempted to spread to Europe. The Crusades were initiated due to on-an-off attempts by various potentates to control the region around the Holy land and not let Christian pilgrims in any more.

      • JeffH

        Mark in LA :)

    • Mark in LA

      Dan, what would you do or how would you feel if China put a military base in Washington DC for “your” protection. Would you want to shoot one of the Chinese soldiers? Would you want to plant a bomb? Would you thank them with flowers?

      • Dan

        What you say makes no sense to me. If China put a base in DC to protect us it means we either invited them to do so, or they defeated us in a war. If we invited them to then I don’t see that as justification for terrorism and killing innocent civilians.

      • sean e.stanton

        Dan,
        The statement from Mark in LA makes a great deal of sense!
        It’s hypothetical,and a very good point/question,so just play along!!??!!
        That is exactly what our Government has been doing for many many years.
        AND…never say never…what if the rest of the world got together and decided that The United States could no longer be trusted.What if they ALL joined forces and conquered us with the intent to put in to power a NEW GOVERNMENT…sound familiar??

      • Mark in LA

        You mean the same way the Iraqi’s invited us to build a massive base in Baghdad or the Serbians invited us to build in Kosovo – with bribes and threats to politicians, knowing full well that a referendum to the people on the issue would fail with a 95% no vote and 5% abstaining.

      • Vigilant

        “…the Serbians invited us to build in Kosovo – with bribes and threats to politicians, knowing full well that a referendum to the people on the issue would fail with a 95% no vote and 5% abstaining.”

        You’ve lost me there. The Kosovars, not the Serbians, invited the presence of US troops. Kosovo is 95+% ethnic Albanian (Muslim) and the Serbs are Christian.

        Serbian intervention in the province was initiated because the Kosovars were systematically killing off all Serbian administraive officials in Kosovo. The civil war that ensued was just that, within the confines of a sovereign nation. Neither the US nor NATO had any business invading the nation.

        Kosovo today remains a place where smuggling of weapons and funds to terrorists continues with impunity.

      • Mark in LA

        Yes, I stand corrected. I think it was Bosnia where we built a base for us as payment for killing Serbs who’s partisans were on our side in WWII.

      • JeffH

        Dan, you’ve much to learn!

      • Joe H.

        Dan,
        No that would mean that our government invited them in, NOT US!!! With all the money we owe them, I don’t call that so far fetched!!

      • jbrimmage@hotmail.com

        Oh they arn’t going to build that base in D.C. but they are building a small city about 40 miles south of Boise, Idaho…about 7miles square in size…..right NOW.

      • Bob in Boston

        Or it means your government was forced to play nice (or paid to), regardless of what the citizens thought.

      • Dan

        You didn’t answer the justification for terrorist attacks against innocent civilians?

      • sean e.stanton

        Dan,
        Our military actions are seen by Islam as terror attacks.
        The United States military has destroyed far too many innocent lives…when we do it we call it COLLATERAL DAMAGE,when they do it WE call it TERRORISM…I fail to see the difference.

    • Bob in Boston

      The CIA, the 9/11 commission, and foreign policy experts like Pape all have incontrovertible evidence that our isolationist foreign policy contributed to the attacks on 9/11, but you’re believing the politicians who get kickbacks from defense contractors?
      How does that make any sense at all?
      It’s the current foreign policy that’s “isolationist”. Think about it – we bomb civilians in another country, and then help them rebuild it and give them a ton of money. Do you really think any of those countries would stand with us if there was a war in the middle east? Of course not, heck Afghanistan already said if we attacked Pakistan they’d fight with Pakistan and declare war on us.
      I can’t believe there are still people in this country who fall for the “weapons of mass destruction” line – didn’t we learn our lesson with Iraq?!?

    • DaveH

      So telling the truth is a problem for you, Dan?
      We have been meddling in other countries affairs for over a hundred years. And we have killed far more muslims than muslims have killed Americans. You think that endears their citizens to us?
      Read this:
      http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php

      • DaveH

        Another possibility for 911 is our own Government. False Flag events have certainly been the case for almost every other conflict we’ve been involved with. Why should the Afghanistan War be any different?
        Read this:
        http://911review.com/articles/anon/false_flag_perations.html

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        If you have a lot of spare time (900+ pages) read this:
        http://mises.org/books/pearl_harbor_greaves.pdf

      • Dan

        No, I’m a damn liar. Or do you wish to restate the comment about the truth being a problem for me? On what side of WWII was Muslim countries? They backed Hitler and why is that?

      • DaveH

        I was talking about Ron Paul’s telling of the truth.

      • sean e.stanton

        Outstanding DaveH.
        I have a younger friend,29 years old,that is a MAINSTREAM MEDIA victim.
        He will not even consider that,there is more to life behind the BUZZ of mainstream media.
        He saw something on FOX NEWS,therefor it MUST be true.
        He even believes that we should take military action against Iran over this false flag assassination plot…He actually believes that Iranian SPY’S contracted Mexican drug cartel hit men to take out the Saudi ambassador and bomb the Israeli embassy…WTF

    • Patriot Diva

      Dan, that’s what many of the headlines are saying, but I decided to read the entire articles about this, and the press is misleading the public. Dr. Paul said that the U.S.may have unknowingly angered some people in the middle east. Many muslims were angered that the American military was on Saudi Arabian soil during the first gulf war. He wasn’t blaming America as having purposefully caused 911, only that some countries view our America’s actions as inconsiderate. Regarding his foreign policy stance, I think he just doesn’t think the U.S. can go around dictating to other countries how things are going to be without angering someone. He believes that we should get our fiscal house in order before anything else. Regarding the Israeli/Iranian situation, he knows Israel can and will defend herself if an American president doesn’t interfere with that (like Obama). Israel is very well armed and Dr. Paul would not try to stop Israel from taking out Iran if Iran attacks them. Just my thoughts for whatever its worth.

      • Dan

        He was asked a direct question on one of the Sunday talk shows – do you believe it was America’s fault that 911 occurred? He stated – no, it was not America’s fault but it was our policies that caused 911.

      • sean e.stanton

        The term “AMERICA” in that interview was misleading Dan…
        AMERICA meaning WE THE PEOPLE,are not responsible for 9/11,BUT,AMERICA as a political entity IS responsible

      • JeffH

        :)

      • Joe H.

        sean e. stanton,
        Such a nice little twist of words!! but OH SO TRUE!!!!!

      • Millicent

        Do you honestly think they would just stop with Israel?

      • Joe H.

        millie,
        nope before too long, they will be on your door step!! Better stock up on machine guns and morters, and don’t even forget the fighter planes. hope your checkbook is real FAT!!! Sheesh!! Wake the heck up from your daymare!!!

    • Angel Wannabe

      Dan, if you think our Government has been any better, than the next one, you’d better think again….just sayin

    • Lost in Paradise

      What is it that you do not understand? Ron Paul says that our corrupt government has ticked off the middle east. Is that not true??? It is also true that those barbarians will not leave us alone, and Paul also knows this. He is by no means a fool.We the people, are the real fools for tolerating this abuse of our constitution, and bill of rights for so many years, Not Ron Paul, who has been trying to do something about it.

  • eddie47d

    When it comes to common sense on the military front and defense of America Ron Paul is the man. He will keep us safe and well defended and according to the Constitution. He understands that every country has a right to defend it’s borders against outside aggression even countries we don’t agree with.He would reign in the Military Industrial Complex and keep them from influencing Washington and profiting from war.

    • APN

      now eddieISM…..You don’t think that any of us at this point would believe that you are a RON PAUL supporter, do you?

      Nice try Bro! Get us all on the RON PAUL Wagon so AMABO can WAX him in the debates and WIN the election by a 60/40 landslide!

      Again, nice try Bro!

  • smitty

    Ron Paul can never, unfortunately, be elected. He is too honest, too pragmatic, too patriotic for the mass of American sheeple used to government handouts. I am not a Libertarian, but Ron Paul causes all other candidates to pale with insignificance. If “isolationist” means that one considers bringing order to one’s own house higher priority than concern for other houses, call me isolationist.

    • Troy Crowe

      I totally agree that we need our own house in order, but I do not agree with the ostrich mantality.

      • Brian

        That Isn’t the mentality. There is a huge difference between isolationism and non-interventionism.

      • Cliffystones

        Brian,

        Correct sir. I have great respect for Dr. Paul and his positions. Where he fails, IMO, is in his ability to articulate those positions to the larger populace. Sure, I get it, you get it, Bob Livingston gets it, etc. But the simple fact is that we don’t constitute a winning majority. He’s got to improve his communications drastically to get his message across to all of those “sheeple” out there, who (unfortunately) vote too.

        He stands in a debate on national television and makes a statement to the effect of “it’s none of our business if Iran gets nukes”. Then in another statement he equates Iran having nukes with the former Soviet Union having them.
        Now I (and others who will surely comment) realize that he’s speaking to the Constitution and the principles of the founding fathers. But the average soccer mom or Joe six-pack sees this, combined with the creative editing of the alphabet soup networks, and says “this guy sounds crazy!”

        To reiterate, Ron Paul’s positions themselves are great, but his communication of those policies needs a lot of work. Or I suppose you could say “simplification” in order to get across to all of the Constitutionally-illiterate Americans with voting rights. And regardless of our opinions of those voters, many of them will be needed for a Ron Paul win

      • DaveH

        What is it you want, Cliffystones? Are you advocating for Ron Paul to dumb down his message so ignorant people can embrace it? If people like Ron Paul dumb down their messages, how do you expect ignorant people to become knowledgeable people?
        I think Ron is doing exactly the right thing — waking up those who have a brain but have been stupefied for decades by the propaganda schools and the MSM.

      • Rcaston

        Until our illustrious education system teaches people the difference between non-interventionism and isolationism we will have a hard time getting Paul’s foreign policy position across. I am amazed at the sheer lack of understanding people here and elsewhere have regarding what it means to be an isolationist, which is what Paul is always accused of, versus a non-interventionist which is what he really is. He, nor our founding fathers, has ever proposed that we take an isolationist position in the world. That basically means that we “isolate” ourselves from the rest of the world and wish to have nothing to do with it. Being non-interventionist means we mind our own business and leave people alone to run their own countries the way they see fit. The founders simply said as long as you don’t bother us you need not worry about us bothering you. We wish to enter into no “entangling alliances”. But we would be happy to trade with you even if we don’t agree with you or even like you. But if you attack us in any way we will absolutely destroy you with overwhelming force and no rules of engagement. Just total destruction. We would not have to do this but once and the world would get the message would they not? So believed our founders. Does this sound like anything America does today? Of course not. We are in EVERYBODY’S business. We act as if the world belongs to us and we get to tell everyone else how they must live. Is it any wonder that we are so disliked today? Ron Paul understands this dangerous position America takes today and wants no part of it. So remember, for the hard headed out there, it is non-interventionist, NOT isolationist. Class dismissed.

      • Geno Zomparelli

        Cliffy,

        I respect your concerns about Ron Paul. I thought that way once too. But then I realized that we should not make it about Ron Paul. He alone is not going to make a difference. IT IS UP TO EACH ONE OF US. We have to carry his message and help others understand what this is about. We are the ones. We have to be the change we want to see in this country. We have to explain Ron Paul’s message to everyone we know. When people wake up the meaning of his message will make sense. The truth is obvious when we remove the blinders from the sheeple.

      • Cliffystones

        “Are you advocating for Ron Paul to dumb down his message so ignorant people can embrace it?”

        No, just develop a watered-down version for the less-informed. Ya’ know “Dick and Jane, see Liberal run…., see lazy control freak”, etc.

        “If people like Ron Paul dumb down their messages, how do you expect ignorant people to become knowledgeable people?”

        I have no expectations that they ever will. I’m really on your side here. But the fact is that people with the political savvy of a Golden Retriever still have the right to vote. And I would so love it if Ron Paul actually won. But this means that Ron and folks like us need to do the job of undoing years and years of damage done by the Liberals and the public schools, whether we would like to or not. Either that or prevent the same idiots that elected Obama from voting in the next election.

      • TML

        The truth doesn’t need to be wrapped in a big red bow for the average person to understand it. When he says “it’s none of our business”, is pretty straight and to the point and everyone gets it.
        It’s fear that causes people to not agree with him, and/or say he is crazy for such things… and fear alone takes away their reason.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1207123702 marty

        I would like to say that I believe he gets his message across just fine. The real problem is that the powers that be in this country, the Zionist media, are doing their very best to keep his message from getting through. While they do that, they are also in the process of trying to marginalize him by putting the whacko label on him. I have no doubt that the Zionists in the US and the government of Israel (not Jews) would like nothing better than to exact revenge for WWII by starting WWIII. They refuse to be deterred although they must be. I myself am a Jew and I can see this very clearly. The problem in America is that money is more valuable than life itself and when the Zionists own the media, the banks and everything else in between, it makes it rather difficult for the truth of Dr. Paul’s message to ring true. Unfortunately only 15% of the American population get their news from the internet, while 45% get it from TV. It’s a tough uphill climb. The best that we can hope for is that this grassroots campaign not only gets their message out over the internet, but on the street as well where people talk face to face with each other. One other method would be for people to donate as much as they can to his campaign, so that he can buy advertising on TV as well. The other day, his campaign put out the Gingrich hypocrite video, and although it went viral on the internet, it was barely a bleep on the TV news. The Jewish Republican debate which is upcoming has also refused to allow Dr. Paul to participate because of his “whacko” views. They should be marginalized and boycotted, so get the word out to people you know to write whatever station the debate will appear on, and give them a piece of your mind. Tell them that you will discontinue to watch their station or purchase their advertisers products. The best way to marginalize them is to get out on the internet the following day and announce that Paul won the debate handily (even though he didn’t even participate).

      • Jimbo

        What IS the difference between Iran having nukes and the Soviets (or Red Chinese) having nukes? The Soviet leaders said, “We will bury you!” I can’t recall the Iranians threatening us with annihilation.

      • Joe H

        clifftstones,
        I think Dr. Paul gets his message across just fine, WHEN HE IS ALLOWED TO!!! He doesn’t need to change his delivery, he just needs court ordered EQUALITY! The law states that if candidate A gets 20 minutes of time on the media, then candidate B has to be allowed equal time!! This is the reason the bar owner on Walker, Texas ranger had to leave the show during the run up to the elections in his town. He was running for office and people were raising hell about the prime time exposure he was getting without his opponent getting the same! WELL HOW ABOUT EQUAL TIME FOR RON PAUL?!?!?!?

      • Leslie Short

        Joe H.,

        You only get “equal time” if you bow down to the PTB. Ron Paul DOES NOT and WILL NOT do that. That’s why I’m voting for Ron Paul.

      • daniel

        i have always been and always will be in Ron Paul’s corner ,but tonight’s debate was a total failure for our side.this by far was his worst night yet. if he don’t start explaining his position a little better we will lose,and thats the last thing we want. he needs to just calm down and explain his position like he’s talking to a bunch of first graders because most americans have been dumbed down for so long that you have to explain for example what the constitution is all about, of course most of us here already know what it is but alot of americans dont..

      • Ann

        I can’t tell you how many times I have come away from watching a debate or interview thinking that Ron has finally gone too far, been too honest, or too intellectual and the gains he has made will be lost;only to find out he has actually risen in the polls that matter. The ones that include independents and disaffected democrats (who have already changed registration) are the ones that actually predict a win or loss. Come November, anyone can vote for either candidate and if we manage our convention right, Ron could be on that ballot.
        In short, stay the course and have faith. Dr. Paul has great wisdom and I think someone greater than all of us must be on his side.

      • Erik

        You are 100% right sir! Whats gonna happen is Ron Paul will end up running on a seperate ticket.He will secure a good part of the votes thus putting obuma back in office for another 4 years! End of game! End of america!

      • Larry Maynard

        So why would you think we have the right to dictate our ideologies on other governments and societies. You probably want to tell me how I should live my life too. We can’t even take care of our problems and I’m not so sure the majority of americans want to police the world. If we were a good example we wouldn’t have to force our views on others. Not to mention that our leaders are stripping us of our rights and liberties as fast as they can. Less government, no neocons and no socialists. Give our country back to the people and take it away from the slime bag politicians.

      • APN

        T Cliffystones says:

        Right on target!!!! Ron Paul is a good man with good ideas but a poor communicator, at best! Simply put, he is not electable, nor is he presidential, and that is hard for many folks to swallow. When the libertarian party presents someone that is, then I’m all ears. Until then, well, I hate it for you, because it ain’t going to happen.

      • APN

        ….and one other thing Daniel….I am a conservative with a libertarian slant, and what you just said is very condescending and will not help the libertarian cause….. What we need is a long range plan to restore constitutional government, by HEAVY THINKERS who understand how to go about implementing REAL CONSTITUTIONAL change.

        Ron Paul is great about pointing out what the constitution says about x, y and z, and I agree with him, however, I’ve yet to hear any substantive comments from him about how to go about implementing that change without throwing the country into total anarchy.

        Simply put, a simplistic view of where we are and how to go about getting it fixed. We all understand at this point why we are where we are, I’m just waiting on the right leader to spell out that long range approach to repairing the damage created by 100+ years of “Progressive Stupidity”. It will not be an easy task!

      • Dorian Douglas

        I agree Tony Crowe.

        First, the choice given that “some people would rather focus on foreign policy rather than get our financial house in order” is a Faustian bargain. WHY NOT BOTH??? It also overlooks the comments from Dr Paul that he’s OK with Iran having nuclear bombs (made several times).

        Second, the history narrative is correct. But it is also mostly (not totally) irrelevant. Different times, different places, but mostly overlooks one of the prime responsibilities of our government: defense of our country TODAY. And preventative medicine is often just as important in nat’l defense as it is in health. (Would we have been better off helping Europe to take on Hitler in 1939, as opposed to waiting until 12/7/41?)

        Yes we can argue that our leaders in Washington haven’t always done well in that regard, and I would stand with all who read this on some (not all) of those instances. But that doesn’t mean we should give it up. It means we need to be more diligent in picking our leaders.

        Dr Paul for Treasury Secretary! I can support that.

      • Geno Zomparelli

        @Dorian Douglas:

        You are falling for the Red Herrings presented by the mainstream media. You have to understand the agenda behind all the wars. If you want to get a good idea of what is really going on i suggest you read “The Creature From Jekyll Island” and “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.” Then you realize that our government is not so benevolent when it comes to defending our borders and ensuring security for Americans. Our government has successfully implemented the Hegelian Dialectic to control the masses and have its way with the world. The government creates the problem (terrorism) to create a reaction (fear) and then propose a solution (war). Until we see the corrupt influences behind American foreign policy we will continue to be trapped in this false dialectic.

      • Annette

        Exactly we are less secure by thinking our Government has our security in mind, wake up Dorian you are not seeing the full picture. Ron Paul is the only hope for us to have any form of Liberty and freedom,then it is up to us to get rid of the virus that has taken over our Government his election does not end the fight.

      • Joe H

        Ron Paul with a number of true conservatives in congress to increase their influence! I’m not talking RINOs, either. I’m talking true constitutional conservatives!!

      • APN

        WOW Dorian….Dr. Paul…treasury Secretary????….. I’ll buy that for a dollar!………Bea-uti-mus!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • PATRIOT 101

      Smitty,
      The global financial meltdown being perpetrated by international bankers in coordinated cahoots with (supposedly) our FEDERAL RESERVE BANK are in the process of completely destroying our dollar. The Federal Reserve Bank is the greatest threat to Americans right now, a much greater threat than Iran.
      Our dollar is being devalued/diluted now by printing dollars for Europe! It is total BS that they tell us this is not going to “hurt” our dollar. That is completely false and the dollar will collapse shortly. Mayhem will ensue.

      • dano

        Ditto

      • JC

        Exactly right.

      • JeffH

        Hear Hear! I believe what the Feds and the central banks are proposing to do is a sign of open desperation…they need to insure the IMF and the EU are totally beholding to them and this move could further expand the inflation problems we’re facing here in the US.

        This move is supposed to ease the Euro financial market conditions, but it does nothing to address the underlying problems creating those conditions. So this is no substitute for the difficult decisions that Europe must make to overcome its troubles.

      • APN

        Patriot….YEP!!! Exactly!!! The ensuing pain from our “Progressive Stupidity” will be WIDE, LONG and CONTINUOUS! The DOW will be at or below 3,000 before end of summer 2012, latest, and the unemployment rate will be 20-25%, at best.

    • Millicent

      I can’t wait for that old coot idiot Ron Paul to fade away into the sunset. His views are as bad as the Kenyan’s on the international front. Either one of this idiots will get us into WWIII. Ron Paul is dangerous.

      • Realist

        Dr Paul is Dangerous. He poses a clear and present danger to all globalists, NEOCONS, RINOs, Zionists and the ignorant. Which category do you fit in?

      • Brian

        Hear, hear!

      • Millicent

        I fall into the category of someone who understand what Islam is all about. Ron Paul is an Antisemitic pork receiving dangerous idealogue. He is as dangerous as Obama, the Commie. If you think it’s okay for Iran to have nukes, you are out of your libertarian mind. The goal of Islam is world domination. They have VOWED TO DESTROY ISRAEL, CHRISTIANS AND WESTERNERS. What part of that don’t you believe? They are waiting for their Mahdi and the fake Jesus to return to help them in their “holy war”. Anyone who will not submit to Sharia Law will be beheaded their favorite form of murder. Ignoring them is the stupidest thing anyone can do.

      • Geno Zomparelli

        Milli:

        Islam can dominate the world without using guns or violence. In fact they already won the fight for world dominance. How? Look at the birth rate statistics for White Caucasians and compare with birth rates for Islamic nations. White Caucasians have a 0.57 birth rate. Islamic nations have a 2.3 birth rate. Now you can choose genocide or you can choose love. AS for me, I prefer love.

      • Average Joe

        Millicent,

        I belive you fall into the catagory of…Fell into a ditch and injured your brain.

      • Joe H

        Average Joe,
        That’s impossible. I believe one has to have said equipment to INJURE it!!!

      • Average Joe

        Joe H,
        Now that’s funny! Thnx for the LOL!

      • JC

        So Ron Paul wanting to put a stop to illegal immigration and reinstate a policy that might stop the wholesale importation of the entire Middle East is a problem for you?

        Wake up Millicent…you’re not thinking clearly.

      • Helen2

        Millicent – read your Bible again. When the Muslim Mahdi appears, so does Jesus appear on the Mount of Olives! I’d like to see the Muslims intimidate Christ as the mount splits in two halves when His feet land on it. In addition, he’s coming back with His church to take care of the unbelievers and put this world to rights. I don’t care if Iran has Nukes either. They won’t have any effect on Jesus or the saints coming with him. I’m actually looking forward to that time. So give poor
        Ron Paul a break, he’s only stating that because he believes Jesus is coming back too. He’s not worried and why should we be if we believe in Jesus and His Father who are going to fix things once and for all.

      • DaveH

        Let me get this straight, Millicent. Do you believe that you can go on your neighbor’s property, discipline his kids, push him around, and dictate his choices without a resulting fight?

      • Dan

        If you believe that does it justify terrorism and killing of innocents?

      • DaveH

        Of course not, Dan. That comes under self-defense. But preemptive strikes make us the Aggressors.

      • DaveH

        And as I pointed out in another comment, Dan, the US has killed far more Muslims than Muslims have killed Americans.
        I don’t like pushy controlling Muslims anymore than I like pushy controlling Americans.

      • Joe H

        DaveH.
        While i agree 100% with your post, I do believe that we have to start lowering the quota for immigrating Muslims!! We have far too many in some areas like Dearborn michigan and they are taking over the areas they settle into. not a biggot, just not a fan of sharia law!!

      • DaveH

        Joe,
        I think that is symptomatic of our crumbling Freedom. The Muslims wouldn’t have been able to take over Dearborn as they do without Government ignoring their trespasses on peoples’ Freedom.

      • bob wire

        dave says;” And as I pointed out in another comment, Dan, the US has killed far more Muslims than Muslims have killed Americans.”

        I’ve heard it said that Muslims kill Muslims more then anyone else. Now , if that is true. it’s tells us a few things.

        1. this 2 to 1 born ratio of Muslims over Americans is misleading.

        2. Muslims culture has an inherent predisposition to Murder, Rape and Kill.

        3. The culture is primitive and less civilized then European and Western Cultures

        4. The sanctity of life is held in lesser regard and superseded by religious belief that is not user friendly while reflect rigid ancient “tribal laws & customs” that are lacking in addressing many of today’s social issues and the demands of 21st century life.

        5. Practicing Muslim men on the average are sexual repressed deviants that hold women is low regard while lust for them so that they feel it an affront to God and sinful, then defer their own “guilt” to women. “The old Eve,the snake and forbidden fruit thing” played over and over again. ~ “SHE made me do it” defense to inappropriate acts of “free will”

      • Casey

        Sounds like what is happening to parents these days, doesn’t it?

      • Ted Crawford

        If he, or his children are bandying a weapon and thretening to use it on me or my friends, I wouldn’t be worring about a fight I’de take action, it wouldn’t matter if the weapon was functional or not. The only way for me to find out is for him to use it. that i’de try to stop!

      • Rick

        I can’t speak for Millicent, but will say this. If I have a neighbor who is plotting to do great harm or even death to my OTHER neighbor, and I have the ability to stop them, I will do so. Ron Paul stated very clearly that it was none of our business if Iran nukes Israel. WHAT?! I am sorry, but in my mind, that position is indefensible and morally bankrupt. I completely agree that our broken economy is job number one, but also believe that it can be fixed along with helping to defend our friends in the rest of the world.

      • Millicent

        Thank you for another rational viewpoint backing up what I have said. It would not matter to thos lunatics over there if we left them alone. They will NEVER LEAVE US ALONE.

      • Joe H

        Rick,
        first, that is your business as it is within the neighborhood you live in. Now answer this. If you knew the info you tout,but your neighbor was every bit able to take care of the other neighbor, and then some, why interfere more than to warn him?? Israel has already said it will not stand for Iran getting nukes even to a unilateral attack. Israel has also said they DON’T WANT the US to help militarily. they can take care of Iran all by their lonesome and have done so before!!!

      • DaveH

        What is rational, Millicent, about you fabricating reality?
        The United States has been in Islam’s face far more than Islam has been in the United States’ face. The US has landed squarely in the camp of the Aggressors. There isn’t a conflict that we don’t get involved with unless the Russians or the Chinese are involved (they fight back). The US has its nosy nose in practically every other country’s business.
        When are you going to face the fact, Millicent, that the US is the Aggressor?

      • DaveH

        Rick,
        Israel’s disagreements with Iran or others truly is none of our business. If you want to make it yours, then do so, send all the contributions you want, but don’t send MY money.
        But having said that, I doubt that Ron Paul would say such a thing. Do you have any proof?

      • JC

        Rick says:
        December 2, 2011 at 2:29 pm
        I can’t speak for Millicent, but will say this. If I have a neighbor who is plotting to do great harm or even death to my OTHER neighbor, and I have the ability to stop them, I will do so. Ron Paul stated very clearly that it was none of our business if Iran nukes Israel.

        Where and when did he say “exactly that”?

      • APN

        DaveH….only if your neighbor doesn’t have a NUKE but SEEKS one and has stated on the WORLD stage that when he gets one, then he has full intentions of blowing your arse up, family included!

        In fact, try this one here at home and see what happens to you. KNOCK< KNOCK< You open the door….. and say…..Yes, what can I do for you? Mr. DaveH, did you threaten to blow up your neighbor and his family because his religious beliefs are different than yours? Well, yea, I guess so, Mr. Federal Government. In fact, I'm trying to get my hands on a small thermo-nuclear warhead to take out the whole evil lot of them! Result….. Handcuffs, Jail and Trial……or…if you resist, BAAM!!!!! Now, I think the INSANE one in IRAQ is resisting not having a Nuke to kill us, correct?

        What is it you people don't understand about this INSANE idiot in Iran who seeks a nuclear weapon to destroy the major and minor Satan? i.e.; USA and Israel

        We aren't playing horseshoes here and a SMALL one megaton nuke will forever change this nation…..in a BIG drastic way….and you want like it.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Millicent, the only ones that are going to get us involved in WWIII is the Bank Cabal, better get back to reading!

      • Geno Zomparelli

        It is because of people like Millicent that makes me wonder how much time we have left until the America that our founding fathers gave us ceases to exist. When that happens I wonder how smug and righteous Millicent will be then?

      • Angel Wannabe

        G. Zomparelli, Sooo much info on the net, all one has to do is read it, there is no reason NOT to know what’s going on today!
        __I Came on here 2009, all I knew that there was something terribly wrong in America and I was P*ssed off about it!__Knowledge has grown and continues to grow!

      • Joe H

        Angel Wannabe,
        Same here 10-2009. I think you would say I’ve changed a lot in my thinking thanks to a few people here and Bob L.. They have made me research a lot of things. at times it seems like my head will explode at what I learn!!

      • JeffH

        Amen, amen! I’ve learned more in the 2+ years here than in my previous 60 years elsewhere. Learn something every day thanks to all you good folks.

      • Larry Maynard

        Your the idiot wake up fool!

    • http://none bob jones

      Ron Paul most certainly can be elected, why do we think we have to go along with the candidates the corrupt media picks for us, do you really think any of the lame stream/main stream media have the best interests of Americans in mind while they push their latest RINO flavor of the month at us? Mr Paul has finished in the top 3 in virtually all caucuses and polls, but the manipulation by the media has kept that from the public, if he wins a poll, they simply disregard their own poll, if he finishes 2nd, well they just report on who finished 1st and 3rd, and on and on. Ron Paul has more than enough support right now to win, and it is growing,don’t count on the media to give you the facts, that won’t happen. Isn’t it funny how each front running media favorite that has been pushed on us, have crumpled under any real exposure, Romney [ flip flops, his own Obamacare model], Perry [ forced Gardisil vaccinations, open borders, investing in porno shops] Cain [Fed Reserve connections, multiple affairs, lies } Gingrich [climate change cap and taxer, many anti 2nd amendment votes, personal baggage, lobbyist, flip flopper]. None of these phonies will be acceptable to conservatives, but a man like Paul who has voted Constitutionally 100% of the time and does not waiver on his pro-American, pro-life, pro business and unchanging principles of honesty and integrity, should appeal to anyone who is tired of the overwhelming corruption and disregard for the law and the Constitution. For those who are not sold on Mr Paul’s foreign policy, maybe, just maybe, overthrowing the governments of dozens of Middle Eastern, Central American, South American and African counties, with the resulting murders of millons of innocent men, women and children, should no longer be a policy we support. However if murder, genocide and torture is something people feel we need to continue supporting, then by all means continue with the status quo.

      • Mark in LA

        If murder and overthrowing government is what these people think we need, maybe we should enshrine it with a Constitutional amendment. That way we tell the whole world what we are about. Rome never pussy-footed around what it stood for.

      • FreeHumanity

        AMEN to that Bob. AMEN.

      • Betty Jo

        Very good article. I agree with it completely and without reservation.
        George Washington said not to interfere with other countries business!
        We got along fine before we started doing it. what have we gained.
        Only the big bankers and the military-industrial complex has gained and the bildeberbergers! Read APF

      • jbrimmage@hotmail.com

        since so many people are stating to “become” CONcernd with the polytickcal land scape. There needs to be a wake up call of who’s who and or what backing or the intents that the candiate have in their pockets…or who’s pocket they are in..! Like the Rhodes Scholars,…who are they, what do they advocate from their education. Then you have the think tank nerds,….who’s really the money boss’s of them way back in the dark shadows. We have had our edumakation sistem infilltrated sew badlee that we need to gut the
        Dpartmint of edumakation totetally.

    • Bob in Boston

      Saying Ron Paul can’t be elected is ridiculous. He’s currently 1st in Iowa and 2nd in New Hampshire. He’s already past the tipping point – the last thing we need is people saying he “doesn’t have a chance” when he’s already shown that he’s front-runner and definitely top 3 and on the rise!

      • APN

        Newt Gingrich is polling 1st in Iowa and 2nd place in NH. Not sure where you get your facts but that isn’t the data I’m getting.

        Where are you getting this poll data?

    • Mary

      I sadly agree. Dan is right RP will be assasinated. The media ignore RP and the republican make fun of him. I think they are jealous of how brilliant he is. I don’t subestimate the stupidity of the people that’s why we are in this mess. The republicans have no candidate. The only one is Ron Paul.

      • Brian

        Yep…

      • Larry Maynard

        Ron Paul is the only real candidate that has solutions that will fix the problems. He would also abolish the Patriot Act which is truly un-American. Anyone that voted for the Patriot Act should be tried for treason! Give our rights back!

      • Millicent

        Who would waste a bullet on this moronic imbecile Antisemitic old fool?

      • JeffH

        troll

      • Karolyn

        Jeff – You have more liberals on yoru side for Paul than republicans like Millicent! We do agree on something!

      • Millicent

        Hardly, just realistic. Ron Paul is a non entity

      • Joe H.

        and you millie are a non-intellect!! to put in terms you can understand, you are without a working BRAIN!!!

      • Average Joe

        “Ron Paul is a non entity.”

        If that’ the case (which it isn’t”), then why has Ron Paul got your panties in such a wad? Every single post you’ve made…is about Ron Paul…and how much YOU hate him…well good for you….you have just showed us how you are the perfect poster child…for what’s wrong in the Republican party….Idiots…like you…..
        You have nothing of value to add to this disscussion and your attitude alone is enough to make us want to vote for Ron Paul even more so than we already do….just to piss you off…… Yes, we get it…you are voting for Newt the slippery salamander…Ok, so we now know that Newtie will get one vote…go Newt!…Not!
        You are a liberal (your mindset and attitude give you away)…pretending (and not very well I might add) to be a conservative…..What you truly are…is a LOSER…of the highest caliber.

        Ron Paul/Andrew Napolitano 2012!!!

        The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.
        John F. Kennedy

      • Millicent

        To call me a liberal makes you out to be a very angry person because I call Ron Paul out for the fool he is. I get these updates in may email and there is a lot I agree with in them Ron Paul is not one of them. Unfortunately, I have read more posts about how wonderful Ron Paul is and how none of you Ron Paul supporters will bother to vote if he doesn’t get the nomination,which thank God he won’t. I have a right to righteous indignation and to tell you what I think. I want Obama out and I want someone with solutions, not the head in the sand postulation of Ron Paul. Do I agree with everything the other candidates put forth, absolutely not. But I cannot abide a fool who says it’s ok for Iran to have nukes and so what, everyone else does. That is just plain stupidity IMO. If you want to talk about sticking our noses where they don’t belong, Obama the Muslim has done plenty of that. He is busy toppling regimes (which btw, I don’t approve of) to replace them with his buddies the Muslim Brotherhood, thus making the world a more dangerous place.

      • Average Joe

        Millicent,
        (or is that Militant?)

        The only one who seems to be angry here…is you. You’ve shown it in evey single post you’ve made today…every single one. We get it…you don’t like Ron Paul…whoopie, we’re happy for you. Now, since you have made it obvious how you feel, you feel the need to keep saying the same thing over and over…you are sounding like a broken record…because you ARE a broken record. If you want to sway someone to “your side”, you might try bring some facts to support your views (so far you haven’t brought anything other than hate filled rhetoric). If you have nothing of value to add…bow out politely and leave the other posters alone, you are simply being annoying…and that isn’t going to get you anywhere with the rest of us. So, add to the conversation with something other than your foul mouth…or just fade away. You like Newt?…talk about Newt…talk til you go blue in the face….but stop the broken record….(not that I think you are bright enough to know when you are losing the battle of wits….as you came here…unarmed). You don’t need to show us your backside by replying in a negative way…to anyone and everyone who mentions Ron Pauls name. You are only showing us what an ICEHOLE you truly are!

      • Joe H.

        Average Joe,
        Watch for newtie the salamander to drop out by spring, and watch for Cain to drop out in the next month!! Remember who told you. As far as millie’s statement that Paul supporters will not vote if he is not the candidate? I hope she doesn’t bet the kids college education on it, cause the poor kid will be just as uneducated as she! I will vote, I will write R. Paul in on my ballot!!

      • bob wire

        Millicent says;

        “I want Obama out and I want someone with solutions, not the head in the sand postulation of Ron Paul. ” & “Ron Paul is a nonentity ”

        Well Sir; I enjoy seeing people willing to make clear and concise statement.

        Cain; is only GOP window dress to amuse and entice the black vote. A nonstarter, non-contender and a embarrassment, intended to pull obama votes that has failed miserably.

        Huntman, is slow getting off the ground and there no ground swell of backing or support.

        Newt; is the brain trust and as genuinely sincere as a green turd in a pickle factory.

        Rommey; few like while he carry’s himself well and has got the loot to go the distance. If he ever get on message and strikes a nerve, a maybe.

        Bachman; will never make the finals but still building equity for later trading for political status, the only hopeful in a win/win position.

        Dick Perry; too closely identified with “W”, has shown us time and again he does not possess the mind for the job, and ? ~I forgot the other thing!

        Ron Paul; the old man in the room with simple, doable plans to address issues at their root source and does not sugar coat it. Enjoys strong backing by military leadership that’s very purpose has been abused for years. He scares the be-geebees out of the fearful and well positioned entrench political power without speaking a word about cleaning house or going rogue.

        It going to take one of these candidates listed above to take it from Obama. The GOP still can not run on their track record or achievements, so someone better come up with some ideas and Paul and Newt are the only ones serving up solutions that make any sense unless 999 from a Pizza man with a long line of offended and jaded ladies and Black Walnut trip your trigger.

      • Lost in Paradise

        You are way off with that liberal and ignorant comment. All of the other candidates want to do away with the constitution, and enslave all of us. They also want to continue to spend money they do not have. IF islam becomes a problem Paul will definitly deal with them.If not then we need to replace him also. We need to get this government back into the hands of the people.Paul is the only peaceful approach. The next and most effective, will be full blown revolution like we have been seeing in the middle east.

      • APN

        mary…. not that I disagree with you but you need to teach Dr. Paul how to communicate….If not, then regardless of your perception of we American’s IQ, 80 or 180, he is not electable with his current NON-message.

        We all get the fact that our government is out of control and has raped our constitution, so the MILLION $$$ question is, how does Mr. Paul suggest that we fix it without throwing the country into anarchy? Can he lead, and if so, how does he go about doing that with such poor communication skills? I mean I like the guy, and his message, he just can’t communicate well enough to keep my attention over 2-3 minutes!

        I worked for some of the best leaders in this county over my professional career and they all had one thing in common….Great communication skills with the ability to see their stated goals and objectives were met or exceeded….period.

        How does RON PAUL suggest that we restore Constitutional Government, specifically? When HE can answer that question, then I will consider voting for him. Otherwise, I see no difference in him and all the other “Candidates”. i.e.; Just words, nothing more, nothing less.

    • Borsia

      Dr. Paul; sounds like an isolationist on the surface but the reality is that it is our bad foreign policy that created much of the current day mess and he is the only one saying that it is time to stop.
      Looking at the ME you can’t just look back to the days of Bush and the Iraqi war, or even to Bush Sr. and Desert Storm. You have to look all the way back to the 40s when the British were pushed out and the Americans stepped in. We helped put the Shah in when his father died and we supported him and kept hi in power while we took their oil without giving anything back. The Shah was just as brutal and corrupt as Saddam Hussein. He treated the people like slaves and took all of the countries wealth right up until 1979 when he was overthrown.
      The US then backed Iraq in their war with Iran and empowered Saddam. It is no wonder that when he invaded Kuwait he thought we would look the other way.
      The US has supported Israel no matter how wrong they were and vetoed every international sanction, even those supported by all of our other allies.
      The same sort of history runs everywhere the US has gone.
      Now the US is failing under the weight of that same mentality and dreams of world domination.
      Paul is the ONLY one who sees all of this and offers a way out.
      It is going to happen when the US collapses and we will be in a much worse position then.

  • s c

    Bob, in American politics, doing the wrong thing at the wrong time for the wrong reason is ‘normal’ (and protected and held up as the ideal status quo in Washington). Rational, in the functional sense, means the exact opposite of ‘normal.’
    Unfortunately, America is so close to fading away that ‘normal’ and rational will be defined and re-defined often, and I suspect that the final decision makers will be the current herd of elected suspects in Washington.
    Up the rebels, and a pox or two of every possible description on those who think they are ‘elite.’

  • Jon

    Simple and to the point. Spot on great article.

    • LexRex

      Amen! As usual Bob is “Spot on!”

    • http://LibertyAlert Bud

      If you recall Barry Goldwater brought the message of conservatism and Ronald Regan benefited by his message. Ron Paul brings the message of less government and someone will benefit and institute his teachings. Give Ron Paul the credit of presenting a strong message that will hopefully be carried out by someone who has voter appeal.

      • Ann

        Ron has plenty of appeal with the voters. Despite a stubborn and concentrated pattern of denial and obfuscation by the media, he polls with the best chance against Obama of all the Republicans. It is not the voters, it is the media with whom he doesn’t have appeal. If they would report evenly, he would be winning with a landslide at this point.

      • ‘jake

        By his own admission he does not expect to be elected (age 76), but as noted, his ideas and positions will be adopted by another Conservative, (add your own requirements), Fiscal Responsible Republican. THEN, “We The People” may have someone to support.

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