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Climate Activists Call Global Warming 'Ethical' Issue

December 2, 2011 by  

Climate Activists Call Global Warming 'Ethical' Issue

A coalition of civic leaders, elected officials, and labor, environmental and social activists launched a campaign earlier this week aimed at convincing politicians that they should curb greenhouse gas emissions for moral and ethical reasons.

The initiative, called the Climate Ethics Campaign, was launched to coincide with the first week of international climate talks now underway in Durban, South Africa.

“People from all walks of life across the U.S. are extremely concerned about global warming. But progress has stalled because our government keeps debating whether addressing the issue makes economic sense and whether the science is settled,” said Bob Doppelt, executive director of The Resource Innovation Group and coordinator of the Climate Ethics Campaign.

The campaign was launched at an event in Washington, D.C., featuring speakers including Representative Henry Waxman (D-Calif.); Senator Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.); Virginia State Senator Mary Margaret Whipple; Wood Turner, vice president for Sustainability Innovation at Stonyfield Farm; the Rev. Jim Ball, vice president of the Evangelical Environmental Network; Hilary O. Shelton, director of the NAACP Washington Bureau and senior vice president for Advocacy and Policy; Robert Pestronk, executive director of National Association of County and City Health Officials; and others.

More than 1,200 current and former elected officials as well as representatives from the business, labor, youth, conservation, academic, racial and social justice, physical and psychological health, development, and faith communities nationwide have pledged support to the campaign.

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Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • grandma bev

    Good luck with the “ethical” and “moral” pitch to elected oficials! IMO, it’s a waste of time. Congresspeople have recently been charged with using insider knowledge to make money in the stock market, which is illegal. We would be arrested if we did that! Martha Stewart went to prison for six months for doing the same thing. I believe they are starting hearings today. It should be interesting to see just who, and how many, are charged.

  • Jimbo

    IF we have man made global warming, (a BIG IF), it’s the activists, climatologists, environmentalists and politicians who caused it! Greenhouse emissions? THEY increased the greenhouse emissions drastically when they foisted “the ozone hole” on us. Remember the claims that New Zealand’s children were going to die from skin cancer because the “ozone hole” was allowing more UV radiation to reach the ground? They pushed for a worldwide ban on the most efficient auto air conditioning refrigerant (R-12). Across the country many shops purged the R-12 directly into the air before they substituted the more expensive, and less efficient R-134. The sudden release had no effect on the hole, and the less efficient R-134 causes ALL our cars to consume more gasoline to run our air conditioners. That increases the “carbon footprint.

    They also banned the efficient freon propellent in our aerosol cans with CO2. Now CO2 is being blamed for global warming. CO2 does not last as long as freon so every year millions of aerosol cans go to the dump, their contents un-exhausted.

    And what did scientists discover a few years later, buy examining ice cores from antarctica? The “ozone hole” is a natural occurence, happening every 50,000 years.

  • Navigator30

    The cost of electricity in Texas is set to rise because of the new EPA “cross-border” pollution rules that Obama has dictated. The lignite mining is being shut down and jobs lost. Plants are being “mothballed” so we are looking at more “brownouts” next summer. And Eddie47d doesn’t think that government actions impact the cost of electricity? Obama stalls the trans-canada pipeline headed for Texas so the oil goes to China instead who burns it with much lower pollution control standards. There are always “unintended consequences”to every government action plan. If we were not energy dependent on the middle east, do you think we would get involved in those squabbles? This planet is seriously overpopulated. We do need to clean up our act or mother nature and human nature will do it for us. However, I am seriously skeptical about man-caused global warming.

    • SMSgt Z (ret) Nam 68

      Navigator30
      You need a better compass try this link or don’t

      http://www.propublica.org/blog/item/whats-the-evidence-that-regulations-kill-jobs

    • Bill

      Sarge… for one who suggests sites for “education”, you should stay away from sites so easily found to to be ultra liberal biased propaganda sites. Let’s just say that information from your recommendations are less than neutral in their presentation. Fair and balanced is NOT their forte! If you expect your comments to have some credulity, provide some modicum of understanding of the opposing viewpoint, rather than obvious regurgitation of liberal talking points!
      _______________

      As an USAF Nam era veteran myself (no combat confrontation), you have my utmost respect, but I personally feel that the path our government is taking us down is creating a country that I certainly did not join the USAF to defend, protect, and fight for! I joined to defend and protect us from “enemies domestic and foreign”. We are currently losing our freedoms little by little, piece by piece, through domestic measures not foreign. Compare the freedoms enjoyed before and during the Viet Nam era and now. If you think we have the same or more freedom now, then we must be able to articulate why without name calling and vitriolic hyperbole. By not doing so, shows how much we have lost our vision of what America is all about. Peace be with you.

      • s c

        Bill, you’re able to be polite. I’ve found that it’s easier to go back and forth being ‘polite’ and being honest. Some people don’t deserve ‘polite.’ When it’s obvious that they’re of the utopian persuasion, I go straight to honest.
        It creates a gulf, and I leave it to the wannabe utopian (or whatever their drug-of-choice is) to bridge that gap. I’m too old to waste time being “nice.”
        In Sarge’s case, I felt at least six months ago that he’s a closet utopian. It is beyond me how anyone who supposedly has a military background can find a reason to be a utopian. It’s not really a matter of being a ‘Republican’ or a ‘Democrat.’ On this website, it’s mostly utopians vs. conservatives. Whatever else ‘sarge’ is, he’s no conservative. Just wanted to let you know.

  • sickofit

    If these people really cared they would start a campaign to get people to stop buying goods from China and India, the two biggest polluters in the world. They would also pressure European countries to lower their emissions which have continued to rise since 1997. At least the US has steadily lowered their emissions.

    • eddie47d

      Who are “those people”? Everyone buys from China including yourself but that is a good idea. China is indeed the number one polluter and the USA gets the number two spot.

      • JC

        USA is the number two pulluter?
        Can you back that up with anything?
        I would have that spot would have gone to India or Pakistan, maybe Kazakstan…

      • eddie47d

        Everspecialblogspot.com and Ezine9.com: Has China 1 US 2 Russia 3 India 4 Answers.com: China,US,Mexico,Russia,India thenewecologist.com : Has Australia as the top polluter PER CAPITA

      • JC

        Fair enough, I’ll check it out.

      • JC

        Ok, I checked this out from a few sources. If the goal is to measure carbon emissions then your list is accurate. However I’m not entirely convinced green house gases are a bad thing. Without some level of green house gas, we freeze. And the only thing we’ve got that tries to indicate that green house gases are a bad thing are computer models which have no real basis and speculation that seems to be making a few select people very wealthy. So it’s still very questionable to me.
        I’m actually more concerned with direct pollution of the water supply and chemical / land based problems. Have you ever seen photographs of the oil fields of Kazakstan? Just unbelievable…hell on earth type stuff. THAT needs to be addressed.

  • DavidL

    Climate change is real, and we better deal with it. Stop the ignorant denials and the self-serving psychotic rants, and start asking how you can help. Your children and grandchildren will thank you for doing the right thing.

    • Jon

      When the Vikings settled on Greenland betweem 800 and 1200 AD, the global temperature was substantially warmer, and crops flourished. But around 1300-1700 the world experienced the mini-ice age which ended their occupation of that island. These contrasts have been closely associated with tectonic and volcanic activity, with carbon dioxide a “lagging” indicator, not a primary cause of the temperature changes. CO2 is released during a volcanic event along with hydrogen sulfide and many other gasses and materials, which reflect solar energy back into space causing a cooling trend on the planet. Current panic mongers are pressing theories that are in no way indicative of the complexity of the earth’s climate…The true miracle is that the Earth’s climate is as stable as it is. Current NASA studies indicate that the Earth is shedding off solar energy at a rate far greater than previously thought. We had better hope that there is some global warming. The prospects of feeding the world are far better than that of another mini or major ice age.

  • http://na Jim

    Gore, Waxmen, Boxer and the preverbial NAACP immediatly stops the conversation on this issue. And what the hell does Racial have to do with this. I wouldn’t call myself a tree hugger but cleaning up the air/water makes sence to me. But I go the other way as soon as I see those names.

  • Terry M. Campbell

    GLOBAL WARMING HOAX and CAP & TRADE SCAM

    “Global Warming” is a real misnomer. Plus, the earth has been cooling for the past twelve years, not warming. It should not even be referred to as climate change, but as weather cycles. The temperature of the earth’s atmosphere is gradually and continuously changing all the time, it is never stagnate and is a natural occurring weather phenomenon. That is why most of the intelligent people referred to the ever changing climate as weather cycles. Simple thermodynamics of the suns energy output, the earths distance from the sun and the earth’s direct or indirect exposure to the sun’s energy easily explains the temperature variances on the surface of our planet. There are cycles within cycles within cycles. Each longer cycle includes all the shorter cycles within it. All major temperature variances are caused by the following physical cycles, each cycle containing all of the previous cycles:

    1st cycle (24 hour or one day cycle – rotating): This first weather cycle is determined by the earth rotating on its’ axis, hence we have the temperature variance between cooler nights and warmer days (indirect verses direct exposure to the sun’s energy).

    2nd cycle (365 ¼ day or one year cycle – orbital): This second cycle is determined by the earth’s rotation around the sun, which is manifested by the weather changes we refer to as the four seasons (summer, fall, winter and spring). This weather change occurs because of the earths tilt on its axis in reference to its position in its orbit around the sun. It is warmer in the northern hemisphere while it is cooler in the southern hemisphere and visa versa (axis tilt)

    3rd cycle (an 11 year with a sliding variable beginning cycle – sun spots): This cycle is another natural factor that has a large short term effect on our weather. It is the variance in the energy released by the sun. This variance in the energy from the sun, some people refer to this as sun spots or no sun spots, causes the temperature to rise or fall. The more sun spots the warmer the temperature and the fewer the sun spots the cooler the weather. Most of the sun spots are around the equator of our spinning sun that we are orbiting in the same direction. The current surface of the sun facing the earth has very few sun spots, therefore this is one of the reasons the temperature is cooling and has been for the past twelve years. Heavy sun spot activity is credited for slight global warming in the 1980’s, what there was of it. In the highly publicized global warming swindle, they never mention sun spots. Records of sun activity have been kept quite accurately for hundreds of years. It’s also amazing that the sun spot activity mirrors the short term (years to tens of years) temperature as it rises and falls. Could it be that that big fire ball in the sky actually has something to do with the temperature here on the earth?

    4th cycle (26,000 year cycle – axis wobble): The next predictable cycle is determined by the variance in the earth’s rotation on its axis (earth’s wobble on its axis). The current tilt on earth’s axis is causing the summers to be warmer and cooler in the winter in the northern hemisphere. This tilt is the reason for thirteen thousand (13,000) successive years of over all gradually warmer weather followed by thirteen thousand (13,000) successive years of gradually cooler weather in the northern hemisphere. This also causes north to get warmer as the south to get colder and visa versa depending on the tilt of the earth on its axis. The ice in Antarctica, a continent larger than North America, is getting thicker in many places. The summer ice in artic is decreasing. This is due to the current tilt in the earth’s axis, nothing to do with so called man made global warming. The North is currently getting warmer, because it is closer to the sun. The South is getting colder, sense it is pointing away from the sun.

    5th cycle (hundred thousand year cycle – expanding/contracting orbit): This cycle is the variation in earth’s orbit around the sun. This expansion/contraction is caused by the variances in the gravitational forces from the planets and other gravitational forces as we move through space. Currently the earths orbit around the sun is slowly lengthening. Therefore, the entire earth is gradually cooling, because it is moving farther from the sun. This is the longest period weather cycle. This variance has caused the many ice ages and the long time periods of extreme heat that formed most of our deserts over the last few hundreds of thousands of years. The longest time period, that we have data on, goes back a little less than six hundred thousand (>600,000) years. During this period of time there has been five (5) major ice ages, spaced a hundred thousand (100,000) years apart. Each ice age lasted only a few hundred years, almost eliminating all life on this planet. But, there were thousands of years of major warming periods between each, with no fossil fuels being used, when life flourished. The last major ice age ended ten thousand (10,000) years ago and there has been gradual warming ever sense, with minor fluctuations up and down.
    (excessive post cut down)

    • Dave

      I don’t see how drilling for oil in this country effects the price of gas. It won’t. It still will be a small part of total need. Lets hope we don’t promote Fracking as that is a huge polluting mess.
      I like the idea of drilling on land right now but it won’t change by much how much we pay.
      How about we try conserving more right away. That will have the impact of needing less gas/oil and concurrently lessen the pollution. the people as a whole should work towards alternative energy goals but changing habits and conserving is the quickest way we can alter the direction we are headed.

      • Huapakechi

        *”I don’t see how drilling for oil in this country effects the price of gas.”
        Have you ever done even a cursory study of economics? Done any retail sales? You display the same ignorance that is constantly turned out by today’s “publik skuuls”.
        *”Fracking as that is a huge polluting mess.”
        Proof? Show me a process short of a nuclear blast that can fracture a mile of rock. Well something other than the engineered and scripted demonstrations available on public media. Remember the ‘exploding gas tank” clips where they had to use a toy rocket motor to ignite the gas?
        *”How about we try conserving more right away.”
        Do you live in Northern Minnesota? I do. When were you forced to cancel medical treatment because you can’t afford gasoline for the round trip?

      • Ted Crawford

        Dave, there are a couple of reasons it would. First, for now at least, we are the largest consumer, secondly we have hugh domestic sources, on shore, off shore and oil shale. If we could return to a common sense regulatory policy, we would be able to develope these!

      • eddie47d

        We have regulations in Colorado and lots of natural gas and some oil. I don’t buy the too much regulations arguments at least in our state. One thing for sure these wells are very expensive to drill for in equipment and the initial drilling cost. They also use more water than our state can afford to lose. 5-10 million gallons for just one well head(those that are fracked). That seems to be a bigger issue here.

    • SMSgt Z (ret) Nam 68

      Think I’ll believe National Geographic you just prove education does not equate to intelligence

      http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_041206_global_warming.html

      • Ted Crawford

        If you were truly in Nam, as I was, you might want to recall that we were fighting to prevent the establishment of a Government that looks very like the one you now seem to be supporting! Whats up with that??

      • SMSgt Z (ret) Nam 68

        Ted

        We were in Nam based on a failure to keep promises made during WW2 and lies.Two books to read about Nam are Why Viet Nam? by Archimedes L.A. Patti and A Bright Shining Lie by Neil Sheehan The lie was the Gulf of Tonkin and that if we did not stop the Communist in Nam they would take over all of Asia
        Believe our Government is still a Republic were Viet Nam is Communist
        Recommend you cut down on the sugar

      • http://naver samurai

        Vietnam was to stop the spread op communism into Southeast Asia. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Ted Crawford

      Thanks Terry! You sure did put to shame my earlier attempt to explain why this is not logical. I appreciate all the info!

  • Buck

    What would they know about ” ethics ” , they have already proven they have neither ethics nor integrity .

  • Tommy Phillips

    Is it ethical and moral to deprive the poor, the elderly, and the sick, among others, of adequate heat in the winter and adequate cooling in the summer? I live in an area that has been “economically challenged” for many years. Coal is the power source for our electricity. The power company has had to seek rate hikes several times to cover the increased costs imposed by federal laws and regulations concerning the use of coal. Many in this area cannot afford adequate heating and cooling because of the burdens imposed by the government. Is it ethical and moral to intentionally and willfully expose the weakest among us to a greater danger of illness and death in order to achieve a minuscule decrease in the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere?

    • eddie47d

      Yes we all have a right to survive and your point is well taken. No energy source should be shut off for anyone whether coal or even nuclear. It will still take years to develop new alternatives but changes are coming as they always do. Coal is extremely dangerous to a persons health (mercury) unless you want to die sooner with black lung or other respiratory diseases. Those regulations are in place to protect your health not diminish it. On top of that all energy sources are expensive and costly to extract or to build so the higher costs will always be with us.

    • Huapakechi

      Their regulations increase costs for all, therefore taxes must be increased to support an ever increasing population of those who are unemployed unable to pay their bills due to high energy prices and high taxes, thus they build a permanent constituency that can be forever dependent on government largess rather than being self-sufficient.

      • eddie47d

        The majority of energy companies are privately owned and operated so the majority of costs come from whatever they charge not the government. Sure they are required to put scrubbers on their stacks but are you willing to go back to the days of the brown cloud and lung damaging particles. All of life is a choice and I think we have a fairly good balance on pollution controls in the USA.

      • JC

        We have better technology than that now eddie and you know it.
        Are you actually trying to justify the economic rape of the private sector by painting unrealistic pictures of an era long gone?
        Or maybe you’re invested in the carbon credit scam?
        Al Gore sure as hell is…

      • eddie47d

        As I said I think “we NOW have a pretty good balance in pollution controls”. Nothing about going backwards there dude.

  • http://Boblivingston Lyle McDaniel

    I just stepped outside a moment ago and if there is any global warming going on im on the wrong globe.

    • USAF VET

      We had some beautiful “Global Warming” here today, it got up to about 73, but as soon as the sun went down the cooling set in again. Oh golly gee whiz, what are we going to do with all this climate change.

      • alexa

        I think climate change is the most wonderful experience God has given us. In spring, God, through climate change gives is new plant life. In the summer, God, through climate change gives us growth. In the fall, again, God, through climate change gives us a harvest season and a time to celebrate our bounties. And finally, God, through climate change, gave us winter, when the land has a time to rest and we celebrate a new birth.
        God bless climate change!
        You folks who do not understand how climate change works, perhaps take some time and understand the science. When the earth circles the sun, it does not follow an exact path. There just happens to be some variation in the path. Understand what happens when a meteor comes close to earth. Understand the alignment of the planets and the gravitational pull of each during such alignments. Understand the Mayan calendar and understand what is really happening. No the world is not coming to an end.
        Problem is that you can’t use the words “politicians” and “science” in the same sentence unless you use the words “don’t understand” between them.

  • http://www.trurodentalcare.com Martin Edwards

    Glad to see the first three posters on here have ‘sussed’ out the ethical climate activists.
    Those who believe in anthropogenic causes of global warming need to check out Lord Christopher Monckton de-bunking Al Gore and the new taxation industry springing up around ‘climate activists’.
    Centuries ago King Canute ordered the tide to stop coming in to show his sycophantic followers exactly how powerful he was.
    Maybe the climate activists should all start trying to order the sun around instead of trying to make the rest of us to go back to the
    Stone Age and pay for the privilege?

  • JC

    It’s all part of the movement to rid the Earth of all those pesky human beings running around on it and annoying the Elites by using “their” resources. And because many of those pesky individuals are much easier to train than the average dog, they actually have groups out there beating their propogandist drum for them.
    Perpetual wars, GMO Food, Chemicals, Pharmaceuticals,and now the Green Commies…I guess they feel it’s “ethical” to be trying to kill us. They don’t get that though because all they are, as Lenin would say, are Useful Idiots.

    • eddie47d

      Your way off base in that rant JC. The Elites are those in power whether whether Capitalists leaders,Capitalist Corporations or even Communist governments. They control the people,they control the GMO’s,they own and control Big Pharma and they control the wars. I known alot of environmentalists (as you say greenies) and they are ordinary citizens and I never hear communism brought up. They never defend GMOs or Superfund sites that dot our landscapes. So to say they fawn all over the elites is absurd. We’ll leave that to the crony capitalists and their band of merry raiders. Environmentalists/Conservationists are sincere in taking care of the earth,farmland rivers,open spaces,the rainforests that give us life. Even mountain ranges that give us those dwindling water sources. Their motto for the most part is to use what you need but leave something for those who follow.

      • Ted Crawford

        They seem far more interested in their multi-billion dollar grants than anything else

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      • JC

        In what way am I off base eddie? All I’ve done is paint a picture of some of the ways we as free people are being attacked by the Globalists. One of those ways is by using well meaning people to further a communist agenda. I’ll say it again….the greenies are “useful idiots”.

  • northbrook

    They need to convince me that global warming is actually occurring first before I would support some individuals whose motives I do not know. There are as many scientists supporting that this is a natural cycle in global weather and since the outing of the original Gore group who first spun this tail for personal gain I have a hard time putting any credance in the issue. Prove your point before you hide behind morals and ethics.

  • Randy131

    This is an attempt by those trying to do good, actually doing harm, and I don’t mean to the economy, but to the actual environment. Meteorological Scientist went to Greenland and the Antartic to do ice borings in glaciers, which like rings in a tree, glaciers have compacted levels of snow which determine years, to determine the make-up of the atmosphere during the last two ‘Great Ice Ages’. There findings showed that the carbon based gasses in the atmosphere during the time of the last two ‘Great Ice Ages’ were ten times more than that of today. Since the theory of ‘Global Warming’ was postulated ten years ago, and in the last ten years the amount of carbon based gasses in our atmosphere has doubled, then during the last two ‘Great Ice Ages’ the carbon based gasses were twenty times more than when the ‘Global Warming’ theory was postulated, proving there is something amiss in that theory. Carbon based gasses in our atmosphere do not harm animals, but is a natural airbourne fertilizer for plants, which I personally have noticed that all plant life today is greener than ten years ago, and crop yields, when properly watered, have almost doubled per acre. Those carbon based gasses in our atmosphere are actually a natural benefit and blessing for the growth of plants and do no harm to animals, and apparently do not effect the earth’s temperature, since Meteorological Scientist, who keep a record of the yearly average temperature of the earth, have published each year since before the postulation of the ‘Global Warming’ theory, that the earth’s average yearly temperature has declined, each and every year for the last ten years, by a small fraction of a degree, and has never risen. Thats why these yokels now no longer call it ‘Global Warming’, but now call it ‘Climate Change’, which the earth’s climate changes in cycles, and always has, ergo the ‘Ice Ages’, and humans have never had any thing to do with it. These are facts which can be checked out, but one would wonder why these yokels are pushing this ‘Climate Change’, and one only has to see how they profit by it to understand their motives.

    • Jon

      When the Vikings settled on Greenland betweem 800 and 1200 AD, the global temperature was substantially warmer, and crops flourished. But around 1300-1700 the world experienced the mini-ice age which ended their occupation of that island. These contrasts have been closely associated with tectonic and volcanic activity, with carbon dioxide a “lagging” indicator, not a primary cause of the temperature changes. CO2 is released during a volcanic event along with hydrogen sulfide and many other gasses and materials, which reflect solar energy back into space causing a cooling trend on the planet. Current panic mongers are pressing theories that are in no way indicative of the complexity of the earth’s climate…The true miracle is that the Earth’s climate is as stable as it is. Current NASA studies indicate that the Earth is shedding off solar energy at a rate far greater than previously thought. We had better hope that there is some global warming. The prospects of feeding the world are far better than that of another mini or major ice age.

  • http://AOL Puggs

    These groups are stooping as low as people can get, to get in control of everything,continuing to brain wash the people !, the same ones that believed in hope & change, See what your getting folks !
    These socialists,liberalists,communists, enviromentalists are all blood brothers, and there goal is the same, no matter how they do it.
    Your freedoms are being taken away! Satan is the author, and these people are his tools to do so!

    • eddie47d

      So you think it is worth destroying the earth just to prove that climate change isn’t real. That a blind sided gamble to take and we aren’t only talking about glaciers melting. Which there is an abundance of proof that glacier melting did and is happening. Apparently you need to get out in the world and see the visible destruction that is going on that is man made. As the population grows the damages will grow at an even greater speed. The demand for Palm Tree Oil is now ruining whole islands and countrysides in Indonesia and Sumatra. Jungles are cleared and wildlife is disappearing. Orangutans have fewer places to live and the Sumatran Tiger is almost extinct.(only 400 in wild). The Brazilian Rain forests although immense is being eaten up. Sadly it’s the Chinese government that is buying up the land to feed their masses. The same problems exist in Africa and their governments are even more unstable. They all ruin their environments for 30 silver shillings and keep the money for themselves while their citizens lavish in poverty. That comes down to greed vs humanity so to say that people count is a hoax by the ruling elite. They got theirs and they will suck the oxygen out of the environment and to heck with the ruin they leave behind. Pollution,mercury poisoning,chemicals dumped in drinking water,forests slashed around the world,increased flooding,loss of ozone all have an impact on climate changing. Some is seen and some is unseen and some changes are small so we ignore the impact they will have on future generations. We humans do have to survive and grow but at what cost? I also believe that God gave us the knowledge to use what the earth has to offer. Yet when is enough is enough and when do we spend as much time and energy defending God’s creation instead of taking and not giving back.

      • Patriot1776

        It is amazing how much energy a liberal will expend to prevent the success of capitalism and protect their dear “Mother Earth” while at the same time condoning the murder of unborn children for convenience sake.

      • Ted Crawford

        Very true Patriot, but you darn well better not touch that Eagles egg, or they’ll throw you in prison, you evil vile creature!

      • eddie47d

        So Patriot does that mean that the success of Capitalism depends on how much of the environment they can harm? Are you telling me they can’t be good stewards in their business without having to do damage? Think Superfund sites and oil spills for starters. Since the anti-environmentalists (is that you?)are trying hard to abolish environmental laws.

      • Patriot1776

        No, the success of capitalism depends on government getting out of the way of job creation. This nation went from primitive forest to the most powerful industrial nation in the world in less than 200 years because capitalism works. Men were free to dream of what might be and make it happen. Now government is so entangled in preventing freedom and taxing progress that they are actually trying to control dust in rural areas. The waste of tax dollars that is called the EPA that far and away exceeds the rights and responsibilities of government is crushing our economy.

      • Ted Crawford

        Eddie, I think that the jury might still be out on Global Warming. I’m not a scientist but, based on what I’ve read on the subject, it seems that we should be either in or near a cooling period caused by decreased sun spot activity!
        As for “Man Made” Global Warming, it seems very clear that, that is “political” not Scientific! This globe has expierenced 5 major extinction events. The latest was about 10,000 years ago. None of those were “man made”
        Humankind has endured many, many climate change events! The Anasazi flourish and later dissappear as a result of climate change events. Various Mezo-American cultures, Teotihuacan, Monte Alban, ETC., rise, flourish and dissappear as a result of climate change events. NOT A ONE of these “man caused” Now this one, out of all the rest, must be “man caused”?
        I can remember many of these same groups, during the ’70′s, with the same degree of certainty warning of the comming Ice Age if we didn’t take, interestingly enough, the very same actions! Sorry big Al, I’m not buying!!

      • eddie47d

        I’m aware of some of earth’s history yet some of these newer chemicals are effecting us in different ways. When there were extreme volcanoes blowing their tops the earth went into darkness and some plants and animals died. So using large amounts of coal lets say can effect the climate not much different than what happened eons ago.It’s just a much slower change and something we can control. Now what do you have against eagles or isn’t anything sacred. Considering how many animals are on the brink of extinction (the eagle once was also)I think we can make attempts to save as many as possible.I believe my grand kids would appreciate that.

      • USAF VET

        Comon now Eddie, you’re confusing pollution with the Global Warming scam. I agree that polution is a big problem, but when the Liberals take it to extremes and start trying to regulate, and tax us in the name of Global Warming, that is taking it too far. The Polar ice isn’t disappearing, the Polar Bears are increasing in numbers instead of decreasing. What you said about the tigers is true that there are only about 400 left, but that has nothing to do with the climate. It was due to poacher killing them off, mostly Chinese poachers because they seem to think they can make aphrodesiacs out of tiger parts. Check out the reason the rainforests have been being chopped down before you say they are disapearing because of “Global Warming”. They are being chopped down and they are burning the trees to make Pig Iron among other things. The reason some of the polar ice has been melting lately is because of the salt content. The more salt the quicker it melts, the less salt the slower it melts. It has nothing to do with 1/10th of one degree increase in our overall temperature.

      • alex

        eddy i think god cheated you on the knowledge bit

      • eddie47d

        At least I don’t come up empty handed like you just did with that comment.

      • USAF VET

        Can’t prove that by me. When The Lord said brains you thought he said trains and you missed yours.

      • JC

        eddie47d says:

        December 2, 2011 at 8:11 am

        So you think it is worth destroying the earth just to prove that climate change isn’t real. That a blind sided gamble to take and we aren’t only talking about glaciers melting. Which there is an abundance of proof that glacier melting did and is happening.

        Ok…so now what? The glaciers are receding somewhat…again. Like they;ve done time and time over for God knows how many millenia?
        Oddly this activity seem to correspond to increased solar flare activity which oddly, even the greenies can’t control and the government can not legislate against. It’s a scam through and through.
        But shut down the factories, stop production, put people out of work, lets move back to being cave dwellers…

        I don’t think so.

  • s c

    It’s very interesting how a bunch of pimps can look at a contrived situation and dare to call it ‘ethical’ or ‘moral.’ Waxman and Boxer should have been the hint that a new stench was in the making.
    I don’t recognize Rev. Ball’s name, but when you are in the presence of Waxman and Boxer [and the cause is global warming via ethics and morality] it
    reeks of a willing connection with the prince of darkness (no, not Al “duh” Gore). Gore is the prince of MONEY and DUH.
    Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I can pick my nose and call it ethical. I can scratch my posterior and call it moral. However, when people assume the tree-hugging position and circle trees in various places around the globe, no good will come of it.
    Class, can anyone guess how people got all the way to SOUTH AFRICA? Did they get there by UFOs? Did they take a train? Did they walk there? No, boys and girls, they got there by ship (not likely) or they got there BY JET.
    HOW can THAT be ETHICAL OR MORAL? Take it away, ET. Take all of them. And keep them away from Earth!

    • Warrior

      ooh, all these people with big titles. I say they should all be sent to china to help solve their terrible pollution problems. I’m sure the titles would really impress the chinese gubmit officials.

      • Dave

        China is actually progressively working at straightening things out with the growth they have had to contend with. They will be ahead of the mess in a decade and be at the forefront of environmental situations before the US ever will.
        What do you care you’ll be dead when the next generation will be hacking away tryoing to contend with things.

      • Huapakechi

        If the surviving population is capable of cleaning up the pollution already destroying their health and sustenance.

      • eddie47d

        The way we treat the environment is an ethical issue. Most people don’t trash their homes so why should the air we breath and the water we drink be compromised/trashed?

      • USAF VET

        Well, even though it won’t do any good, it looks like I’m going to have to write to Boxer again and tell her just how much of an idiot she is showing that she is.

      • eddie47d

        So wanting a cleaner and healthier environment makes a person an idiot? Visibly seeing the changes that are occurring makes a person an idiot? I think not! Not all changes in the weather or in the environment will have the same effect in each country. When put together there is some serious damages being done. We have regulations in America which helps hold the line on environmental harm. It all depends in what kind of country you want and how we are effected by other nations who aren’t so responsible towards their environment. Because China and the USA are the biggest polluters they share the burden of being more active in what gets put in the air and oceans,etc.

      • BSG

        Does this mean that South Africa is going to get an unseasonable snowstorm while the meetings are in session? That’s what normally happens.

    • wandamurline

      When people realized that they were being dooped by Al Gore who was in place to make literally billions of dollars off the global warming crap, the numnuts try to make it a moral and ethical issue, even though their scientists were manipulating data…in plain words they were lying and making up data. Our earth changes from periods of cold to warm and has for centuries.

      • eddie47d

        I don’t care for Gore’s extravagant lifestyle and he has become just another capitalist feeding off of the populace. I’m not saying his message is wrong because some of it is very correct but he has somewhat slid over to the dark side of greed. When it comes to that data the problem (wrong number entered) has been corrected (the same year) and scientists now confirm that the information is now right.

      • Patriot1776

        Al Gore is just another hypocritical liberal making big money by going around preaching against big money. Using fear and panic, twisting facts and data to reach false conclusions at best. God is in control of the climate. To think that mere mortal man can have any attempt at control is asinine. Yes, we need to be good steward of the resources He gave us, but He gave us the resources and the knowledge to use them as well.

        Climate Change is a liberal’s tool to try and take away the God given rights that we have.

      • Huapakechi

        he has become just another capitalist feeding off of the populace. …………… and scientists now confirm that the information is now right.

        Capitalism has given us the cleanest industrial society on the planet. If the ‘science’ is so clear and correct, why are the data and methodology used to arrive at these conclusions hidden and secured from the people who were forced to pay for it? Why are the Freedom of Information requests being fought so aggressively?

      • eddie47d

        That information should have been out before November of this year at least that is what I heard in the spring.

      • Bill

        Eddie47 …If the data/algorithm is clean and has been used and “proven” 1) The algorithm should be available at a moment’s notice, and 2) The data should be available at a moment’s notice. What rational reason could counter this, assuming the proven validity of the algorithm and the data can be proven as accurate?

      • alexa

        Capitalism in China is a key factor to her being able to clean up their country. The pollution in the USA is nothing compared to current China. Stalin era trucks on their highways create extensive pollution. Be in a Shanghai tunnel with them once and you will understand.
        So unless you have been to China to see it first hand, your not knowing what you are talking about.
        I am all for clean are but I do not support “chicken little” situations either.

      • USAF VET

        Eddie, you’ve just proven that you know nothing about the Global Warming scam, nor a single thing about Albert Gore Jr. He’s not a scientist, and he knows nothing about atmospheric science. He is just an ignorant blowhard who was picked by “Slick Willy” Clinton to be his yes man. Albert Gore Jr has never had an original thought in his life other than how to scam the American Public out of money. You need to open your eyes, do some actual research and find out that “Global Warming” is a farce.

      • eddie47d

        It’s a farce because you have been told a thousand times it is a farce. The Koch Brothers have spent over 23 million(two years ago)proclaiming a hoax. They were only defending their own financial bottom line and Al Gore could have been doing the same. That doesn’t make global warming right or wrong (hoax)only that too many people in high places are stacking the deck in their favor. This is far from a closed issue so maybe you need to take a closer look.

      • s c

        USAF Vet, consider e’s predicament. Gore is probably trying to compensate for his daddy being a KKK member. That pre-dates the Big Tent era. ‘Daddy’ was also extremely anti-civil rights, too.
        Daddy sent Big Al to various schools to get him ‘educated.’ What America got was nothing less than a second-generation loser who has an obsessive thirst for easy money (and an inability to recognize a bust of Jefferson at Monticello). Enter ‘global warming’ and Big Al’s chance to become America’s global warming high priest.
        Big Al will, of course, never fill Daddy’s shoes.
        Leave it to yahoos like e to look up to Big Al as though he’s the next thing to a political and environmental ‘Savior.’ Some people are SO easy to fool and use like a sock puppet.
        So, do you think e ever tried to make up for his public school education? If he did, he hides it well. Very, very well.

      • libertytrain

        somewhat? The wall street protesters should be at his house.

      • Dave

        Which paid off scientists are you talking about. Pro or con they have all their agenda. But there is more going on since we continue de-regulate the industry and they increase their polluting ways. Why not stop what is spewing out of the factories and vehicles if it will make our life better in the end.

      • Ted Crawford

        The spewing we need be most concerned with stopping is that which is spewing out of Washington in general and the White House specifically!

      • eddie47d

        Have another cup of mercury and two aspirins Ted and go to bed. Then wake up when you realize that everything is not so black and white on the environmental issue.

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