Common sense and a never..ever…give up ethic is all I’ve ever had.

It has served me well in the most extreme times…and the one coming has me thinking and planning relentlessly.

I am a hunter and have always purchased firearms for it. That has changed since barry was voted in by weak people that a spoke of in my post above. My recent purchases will signficantly supplement the 12 gauge.

“don’t go down without one hellava fight.”

We may be making use of that advice sooner than we thought. News says Fitch is going to down grade us to negative! And the powers that be want us to help bail out Greece ! Get your gun ready cause it is counting down !

gm…the plan is for the fed (US taxpayers) to bail out the EU…you just watch.

e47 there has been much more than mere talk about a NAU. It has been in the works for a very, very long time. There are many others that are also on the planning table – European Union, already exists and about to collapse, North American Union – U.S., Canada & Mexico, South American Union, African Union and Asian Union. Now then, who is behind all of this and what have they accomplished so far. Unfortunately much more than you realize. All in all it’s not good for anyone.

The EU is fkd…The euro is based on a multitude of countries (27 I believe). You have these countries all using the same money and they all have hugely different lifestyles, cultures and work ethic.

How can those that are productive (Germany) live together by the same monetary rules with those who are unproductive (Greece) Eventually one has to start paying for the other. (Sound familiar?) Look at how the piigs live then go from there…It never works.

NOW, the war drums are beating…why? Because the bankers need to divert your attention from the fact that the world is bankrupt.

For a stark, simple explanation/opinion of what has been going on and what is ahead check out http://www.bobchapman.blogspot.com

“Free your mind and your ass will follow.”

Eddie…the bottom line is this.

There is plenty of land and water to provide food to the planet even though there is excessive population by those who are irresponsible. If you saw how much food comes out of our modest little garden, it would blow your mind. We share

The problem is that the irresponsible people do nothing to contribute to ANYTHING GOOD. They don’t want to work, they don’t want to be productive, they don’t want to share…they just want. Whether it is doing something kind for another or how about growing food for themselves. They take all that they can get, as much as they can get with little or nothing done to help anyone or anything…worse yet they want and expect more.

Don’t give me the “they don’t have the same op crap.

Here’s the long and the short…look at how the earth works…the bounty only lasts for so long then only those who adapt to the changes will be the only ones to survive. it is just that simple.

eddie . . . you just gotta switch off that Al Bore channel you been watching . . . most of what you just said is HYPE!!!

Maybe you need to do a little more reading on the subject, Dale.

Everything is sold by hype today Dale. Your personal views, my views, it’s all hype.

Like Climate Change, ~ millions of dollars has been spent to debunk and defend it. The sad part is, it doesn’t change the realities but just the perception and any reaction.

Have never watched the Al Gore channel Dale if there is such.

The al bore channel exists it is called, I believe, “Current”.

Science News Blog Evidence Supports Ban On Growth Promotion Use of Antibiotics in Farming.
ScienceDaily (Nov. 15, 2011) — In a review study, researchers from Tufts University School of Medicine zero in on the controversial, non-therapeutic use of antibiotics in food animals and fish farming as a cause of antibiotic resistance. They report that the preponderance of evidence argues for stricter regulation of the practice. Stuart Levy, an expert in antibiotic resistance, notes that a guiding tenet of public health, the precautionary principle, requires that steps be taken to avoid harm.
Antibiotic resistance
“The United States lags behind its European counterparts in establishing a ban on the use of antibiotics for growth promotion. For years it was believed that giving low-dose antibiotics via feed to promote growth in cows, swine, chickens and the use of antibiotics in fish farming had no negative consequences. Today, there is overwhelming evidence that non-therapeutic use of antibiotics contributes to antibiotic resistance, even if we do not understand all the mechanisms in the genetic transmission chain,” says Levy, MD, professor of molecular biology and microbiology and director of the Center for Adaptation Genetics and Drug Resistance at Tufts University School of Medicine.

For the past 70 years, humans have relied on antibiotics to combat bacterial infections such as streptococcus, meningitis, tuberculosis and urinary tract infections. The misuse and overuse of antibiotics, however, has contributed to antibiotic resistance, making antibiotics less effective at saving lives. Levy and co-author Bonnie Marshall summarize and synthesize the findings of a large number of studies assessing the link between antibiotic resistance and the use of non-therapeutic antibiotics in livestock and fish farming. Highlights include the following.

The use of non-therapeutic antibiotics is widespread

According to estimates, antibiotics are eight times more likely to be used for non-therapeutic purposes than for treating a sick animal.
Current practices set the stage for the rapid spread of antibiotic-resistant bacteria

The long-term administration of antibiotics in animal feed creates an optimal environment for antibiotic resistance genes to multiply. Essentially, treated animals become “factories” for the production and distribution of antibiotic-resistant bacteria such as Salmonella and Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA), a troubling infection that is resistant to common antibiotics.
Bacteria can transfer antibiotic resistance to other bacteria, and multiple different resistance genes can be linked together in this process. Thus, even if farmers turn to antibiotics that are not commonly used to treat people, these drugs — given over long periods of time — can also promote resistance.Several studies demonstrated that antibiotic-resistant bacteria can easily spread from animals to people in close contact with animals, such as veterinarians, slaughterhouse workers, farmers, and the families of farmers.
As much as 90 percent of antibiotics given to livestock are excreted into the environment. Resistance spreads directly by contact and indirectly through the food chain, water, air, and manured and sludge-fertilized soils.
The broad use of antibiotics in fish food in farm fishing, particularly overseas, leads to leaching where it can be washed to other sites, exposing wild fish to trace amounts of antibiotics.
The consequences of antibiotic resistance are great

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, antibiotic-resistant infections cause longer and more expensive hospital stays, and greater risk of death. Each year in the US antibiotic-resistant infections result in $20 billion in additional health care costs and $8 million in costs in additional hospital days. If antibiotics are ineffective, patients may end up paying more in search of alternative drugs, and enduring a wider range of side effects.
Bans on the use of non-therapeutic antibiotics are effective in diminishing antibiotic resistance

Bans in several European countries have led to decreases in antibiotic resistance. Bans in Denmark and Germany have not only decreased the presence of antibiotic-resistant bacteria in farm animals, they have decreased the presence of these bacteria in humans.
Alternative farming practices such as reducing animal crowding, improving hygiene, and improving use of vaccines have been shown to compensate for some of the growth benefits conferred by non-therapeutic antibiotics.
Levy and Marshall also highlight areas of study that may improve our understanding of the link between antibiotic use in animals and the spread of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. Modern genetic techniques are helping, they report, but there are still gaps in our understanding at each stage of the transmission chain.

“Aquaculture, or fish farming, has been relatively understudied, yet water is a prime medium for the spread of antibiotic-resistant bacteria,” says first author Bonnie Marshall, MA, MT (medical technology), senior research associate in the Levy laboratory at Tufts University School of Medicine.

“While the use of non-therapeutic antibiotics remains contentious, the evidence is strong enough to merit precaution. Antibiotics save lives. When infections become resistant to primary antibiotics, and alternative antibiotics must be used, health care costs increase. As more infections become more resistant to more antibiotics, we run the risk of losing more of our arsenal of antibiotics, resulting in needless deaths. It’s important to consider what we stand to gain versus what we stand to lose,” concludes Levy.

The Food & Drug Administration (FDA) has already taken some steps toward stricter regulation of non-therapeutic antibiotic use, acknowledging that the practice is in conflict with protecting the public health and proposing measures to limit the use of these drugs in animals. Levy and his colleagues in the field of infectious disease have called for antibiotics to be classified by the FDA as “societal drugs,” establishing specific regulations to protect the efficacy of the drugs.

Levy is president of the international Alliance for the Prudent Use of Antibiotics, and is a fellow of the American College of Physicians, the Infectious Disease Society of America, the American Academy of Microbiology and the Association for the Advancement of Science. He has published more than 300 papers, edited four books and two special journal editions devoted to antibiotic use and resistance, and is author of The Antibiotic Paradox: How Miracle Drugs Are Destroying the Miracle. He is also co-founder and chief scientific officer of Paratek Pharmaceuticals, Inc. Dr. Levy received the 2011 Hamao Umezawa Memorial Award from the International Society of Chemotherapy, given in recognition of his lifetime contributions in the field of antibiotic resistance.

Bonnie Marshall was supported in part by The Pew Charitable Trusts. Stuart Levy is a consultant to the Pew Charitable Trusts.

Very good post, not sure what it has to do with Karolyns comment tho.

My wife is in the pharmaceutical industry and her biggest fear is a world wide pandemic caused by bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics. There already are a bunch of bacterial infections that untreatable because they have become resistant to antibiotics.

Agra Business may be the cause of major outbreak that could cause millions of deaths.

Maybe they could just invent a “bug” that just attacks lieberals . . . that would reduce the population by 20%, most of them sitting with their hands out, would save Billions . . . lol

That’s because of all the people who run to the doctor for the first sign of anything and want to leave with a prescription.

BigBadJohn,

It has got every thing to do with it.Read my link.

Overpopulation problems – Offering two compelling books that describe a future earth … human who was supported by the natural food supply … Can society expect overpopulation problems? … treatment-resistant diseases rank high among nature’s … the only alternative, forced control of the world’s human population, is not …
http://www.booksaboutthefuture.com/overpopulation-problems.htm – Cached

“……….the controversial, non-therapeutic use of antibiotics in food animals and fish farming as a cause of antibiotic resistance.”

Very old news this information has been around since at least the 80′s. Unfortunately only the few have expressed any concern while those in the government regulatory agencies turn a blind eye and approve the practices.

Karolyn,

Here is another point of view,take your pick.This is one of the two schools of thought.Over population,or under population?The jury is still out.
If you familiarize yourself with the myths surrounding “overpopulation,” you’ll be in a better position to defend yourself and your family against these idealogical …
http://www.juntosociety.com/guest/sperlazzo/bs_opm1010903.html
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History shows how mankind deals with over population, they start a war and kill off the people who have something that they want.
The more people there are and the harder it gets to feed them, the more wars we will see.
Sounds like a description of the end times to me…..

Not to dissagree with your point but the “experts” have been saying we are at or just under the population limit since the mid 1700s or early 1800s and we havent reached that point yet.

So You are thinking that it’s all liberals are you?

I guess you think that = only conservatives pay taxes as well?

I believe the problem is a little more complex then you seem to believe.

But I will agree with you that it’s a “failing” of the church.

or did you say that? ~ You should have.

I see Dale is sitting on his hands (must be typing with his tongue)and only being a smartazz. Instead of having some foresight on this growing crises he chooses to plead ignorance. Corporate farms are packing more and more animals into tighter areas for more profits. Then they pump antibiotics and other chemicals in them to fatten them up faster. A recipe for disaster is looming and those chemicals are affecting human growth also. If there is so much available land as some on the right contend then why aren’t there more free range and healthier animals. If there is so much land then why does land cost so much? Why is so much farmland lost to bigger cities. Why are orchards lost to amusement parks and sub-divisions?Good farmland is harder to come by even in America and it’s not a problem that can be swept under the rug.

There is validity to all what is discussed in this blog, whether we are pro or against this so vital important topic. We are not only seeking or talking about existence and survival. Case in point is how to create a long-term manageable and sustainable situation.

The US and also the EEC countries are governed by drunk with power politicians, who are woefully out of touch with reality always and endlessly focussing and discussing the rationale behind “the problem” and not on the solution. Government interference stymies every effort we are trying to come to terms with to create a better tomorrow for mankind.

A good start would be for “we the people” to send a powerful and effective message to our “elite” politicians ( and the European nations could follow suit) to stop each and every form of subsidizing the agriculture industry. It is maddening and at the same time a crime to know that this industry sector is subsidized with tax payers money at a rate of an estimated 60%. Water will eventually (and this over time) finds its own level where farming, horticulture & produce production centers will be evenly spread throughout the country which in term will benefit regional farmers and growers.

Just stand still for am moment, and how crazy it is that a large percentage of the nation’s produce production has to come from Southern California’s desert where additional tax money (in the form of subsidies) has to be allocated for massive water irrigation programs, which already have depleted our aquifers at intolerable levels. It does not end there knowing that these fit-for-market food products need to be shipped and transported long-distance by refrigerated surface mode to the East-Coast and Mid-Western states.

We can continue the never ending process of finger-pointing until we see blue in the face, but let me finish by saying that there is and never will be a plausible rationale unless we throw politics on the way side. There is no lack of options. For those with a curious mind and interested in exploring this further, I respectfully suggest anybody to do research and google for example “permaculture”.

Read this

Sep 1, 2009 … There are many political styles in the eugenics movement. … As we can already see from the above, the eugenics movement is a very complex …
http://eyesoffaith.info/%3Fq%3Dcontent/history-and-philosophy-eugenics-and-way-out

Nov 4, 2006 … People often do not understand there is a different between positive eugenics and negitive eugenics. An example of negitive eugenics is …
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3Deugenics

Sorry I had two broken links:

As President Nixon acknowledged in the following speech, there is no man who has been more identified with population control and eugenics than John D. …
http://www.heartswithsoul.com/eugenics.htm

Get a grip granny. Nations that have exploding populations have or had large families. The USA experienced that for a couple of centuries. That starting changing in the early 60′s and we don’t have as big of problem as let’s say the Congo or Angola. We became smarter so those earlier families caused our population expansion. So were they irresponsible because they had sex all the time and produced so many? Time to work together and yes indeed be more responsible.