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The Supercommittee Farce

November 22, 2011 by  

The Supercommittee Farce

The past couple of months, I’ve taken to biting my nails again, something I haven’t done since I was a teenager. In fact, the media have me on the verge of a nervous breakdown with their coverage of the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction (aka the supercommittee).

I can’t tell you how stressed I’ve been thinking about the gut-wrenching task these hardworking, upstanding men and women have been facing. The thought of them having to find a way to cut spending by $1.2 trillion by Nov. 23 or face automatic, across-the-board spending cuts has caused my anxiety level to go through the roof.

I’ve tried to console myself by recalling that John Maynard Keynes assured us that, in the long run, we’re all dead anyway. But I still find myself hyperventilating, breaking out in cold sweats and having to fight off deficit headaches.

Buddha, who was a cut above Keynes when it came to wisdom, said that all unhappiness is caused by attachment. Reflecting on his words, I’ve come to the conclusion that this is the essence of my problem. I simply became too attached to the supercommittee crisis, and the thought that those admirable public servants might fail has been more than I can bear.

Now that judgment day is upon us, the anticipation has become so nerve-racking that I find myself… hmm… well, to tell you the truth, I find myself yawning a lot. Sort of like watching an old movie that I’ve seen many times before — a movie that I didn’t much care for the first time I saw it.

OK, enough. Let’s get real here. Only the play-along-to-get-along media could hype a business-as-usual non-event like the supercommittee’s thumb-sucking task into sounding like the Cuban missile crisis — or at least the lead-up to the Super Bowl.

Does anyone really take this stuff seriously? Sadly, yes. In fact, I have it on good authority that millions of political junkies can get aroused over the most mundane news coming out of the Capitol Building or the White House. And according to the ads I’ve seen on TV, all of them would be wise to consult their doctors.

Sorry, but the truth is that the media’s hand-wringing over the supercommittee’s deficit-reduction work is nothing more than a monumental farce. By getting the public to focus on the choice of cutting $1.2 trillion from the budget over 10 years or triggering automatic spending cuts of $1.2 trillion, Congress is once again able to distract from what really needs to be done

And by “really needs to be done,” I mean cutting a minimum of $1.5 trillion from the budget next year. Why $1.5 trillion? Because that’s what it would take to balance the current budget, which is already 10 times greater than it should be.

It’s all part of the same old Washington game, and the rules of the game are very simple: Democrats never agree to any serious spending cuts, and Republicans always give in (while pretending to be victorious, of course).

In other words, from the Democrats’ point of view, it’s: “Heads, I win; tails, you lose.” And from the Republicans’ point of view, it’s: “Just let us continue to eat in the Congressional dining room, work out in the Congressional gym and have access to insider stock-trading information, and we’ll go along with just about anything you ask of us.”

It never really mattered whether the so-called “spending cuts” came from the supercommittee or as a result of “automatic, across-the-board spending cuts.” Either way, the budget, the deficit and the national debt were guaranteed to continue to rise — and at an accelerating rate, at that.

What does this mean in terms of next November’s elections? Well, if the Republicans run a progressive candidate like Mitt Romney, once again allowing themselves to be intimidated by the Democrats’ constant admonishments that “voters want Democrats and Republicans to come together,” then they will have learned nothing from their Mush McCain mistake in 2008.

It’s scary to think about, but even Ann Coulter has fallen into the ageless trap of believing that conservatives should once again set aside their principles and nominate a candidate who can win. Not only is such a position unprincipled, it also yields either a losing Presidential race or a Republican President who does nothing more than carry the water bucket for Democrats. (Think George W. Bush.)

Perhaps the biggest tip-off that Romney has Democrats licking their chops at the thought of his winning the Republican nomination is that their liberal media cheerleaders keep insisting he is the candidate Democrats fear most. That’s a dead giveaway for just how badly they want him to be the Republican nominee. Trust me, the thought of running nonstop ads that feature Barack Obama thanking Romney for creating the model for Obamacare has them both salivating and cackling.

Of course, if voters bypass Romney and flee into the arms of Newt Gingrich, Democrats would also have a ball with some of Gingrich’s more infamous positions — supporting the Troubled Asset Relief Program, global-warming couch sessions with Nancy Pelosi, favoring an individual mandate for healthcare, and, worst of all, referring to Paul Ryan’s serious budget-cutting plan as “extreme right-wing social engineering.”

The important question of the day is not whether the supercommittee will “compromise” and work out a spending-cut plan or take the easy way out and allow automatic spending cuts to be triggered. Either way, you can be sure there will be no significant cutbacks in government spending.

A far more important question is: Will conservatives be smart enough and tough enough to understand that promising to cut the size and scope of government and put an end to the criminality in Washington is what got them elected to Congress in 2010?

Or will they misread the political climate once again and run scared — right into the arms of their socialist pals across the aisle — and hand the only Marxist President in American history a default victory that will give him the time he needs to finish the job of destroying what is left of the U.S. economy?

Robert Ringer

Robert Ringer

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  • Jon

    Why is anyone surprised at the results of the StuporCommittee? I did notice, though, that they woke up enough on Sunday to make the media talk-show circuit. All Americans need to fess up to the known fact that people always get the government they deserve. Everyone will need to share in the pain of straightening things out and stop expecting someone else to pay for our lunch. Then we could all benefit, as well. Yes, Congress is pretty worthless, but they only reflect the views and attitudes of the idiots who sent them there.

  • Mirage

    I don’t care how many awards Ringer has won – judging by this article, he’s an incitant, throwing around words like “Marxist” when describing our president. Clearly that is NOT the case. Phrases/adjectives suggesting a blend of capitalism/socialism respectively, would be a more accurate description of President Obama, as would the words “partially-bought” (by big business interests like ALL politicians). Leave the overly emotional language and inaccurate “baggage” words like “Marxist”, back at the playground where they belong.
    In using such inaccurate political hyperbole, Ringer proves himself to be a unprofessional hack, and below, any semblence of objectivity. Simply state the facts and let readers think/judge for themselves.
    Oh well, perhaps Ringer is from a small Southern town, or some corn-fed society devoid of color, and he’s never risen above his beginnings, nor questioned anything he was taught … just follow the sheeple: Next.

    • Cawmun Cents

      The term”Marxist”gets used for a reason.Because,when you look at the preponderence of academia in the world today,there is plenty of”marxism”going around.
      Someone who goes to a university and learns higher education(especially in Ivy League schools),is going to be instructed by”marxists”.
      Have you ever heard of a magazine called Radiical Teacher?
      Well if you havent then I suggest that you look up the on-line version and read a bit.
      Have you ever read the communist manifesto?

      If you have then you woould know what I know.
      That you cant hide behind rhetorical media coverage,and backwater journalism forever.
      One day the disenfranchised learned what has been taking place deep in the bowels of our nation,and as a consequence,understands exactly the nature of the hidden dynamo which is killing us from within.
      It is not a figment of our imaginations as you would have us believe.
      It is a secular humanist approach,to becoming a tumorous growth by which our nation has become rife with the disease of”marxism”.
      A fact which you may patently deny,but becomes self evident when you educate yourself by looking at what is and what appears to be.
      Radicals have taken over every institution of our nation while we enjoyed the slumber of comfort and good living.
      Now that some are waking up and shouting the reality of todays situation,you want to try to put them back to sleep by singing lullabies of peace and Kum Bayah.
      Sorry,but it wont fly here.
      Some of us here know the very nature of who you are and what you are pushing.
      We dont know from guessing or from read the revisionary history we have been being fooled by for decades.
      We know because we have something that you lack.
      And you cannot know what we know because your dark heart will not permit you to learn it.

      Your own humanity becomes self evident,as do the lies by which your agenda can be brought to light by knowing real history and its actual relative circumstance.
      Which is that though you choose to back the losing team,and seek to cauuse us to doubt ours,you are effectively bashing your head against a steel girder,and expecting it to bend.
      We have a solid foundation that we build our houses upon.
      Not the false ones like pretending to extend help to our fellow man by our mouths,but not doing a darn thing through our actions.
      Not causing the weak minded to believe in a lie so that we can subjugate him and everyone else.
      Not using the ends against the middle.
      Not using education as a pollitical toll.
      Not using labor as a political tool.
      Not using the very environment that we live in as a political tool.

      That is not the aim of the public at large,but of the extreme political beliefs of”marxists”.
      Those who dominate the Democratic Party.

      So when we say the word”marxist”,it is because we know the ties to secular humanity of that particular entity.
      We know how strong they are by observation.
      We know how they are used to blind people to the truth on a regular basis.
      Dont ask us to leave that word out of the conversation until you are willing to leave its tactics out of the political intent of this nation.
      Dont accuse us of crying when we are shouting.
      Dont accuse us of denying the people of changes in structure which this nation cannot survive.
      Rather understand that we dont want any”maixism”.
      It hasnt worked anywhere that it has been applied.
      It wont work here either.
      Face the fact.
      ‘Marxism”is dead,and has been since infancy.

      -CC.

      • 45caliber

        Carl Marx hated Communism. He stated that any reference to him was simply a move by them to hide what they really were after – world domination by a small few.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        45caliber says:
        November 22, 2011 at 11:59 am
        Carl Marx hated Communism. He stated that any reference to him was simply a move by them to hide what they really were after – world domination by a small few.You are right.If he was alive today,he would be anti communist.He hated all governments.He even praise capitalism.

        Marxist Communism has been the one of the most influential ideological … Americans do have many misconceptions about Communism however, which have … in the 20th century by their anti-Communist policies, and because communism was a … Then Karl Marx came along in the mid 1800s and Marx denounced the …
        http://rationalrevolution.net/war/communism_and_marxism.htm

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Here is one:Christian Communism(non Marxian)

        Wikipedia:
        Christian communism This section does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this section by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (September 2011)

        Christian communism is a form of religious communism centred on Christianity. It is a theological and political theory based upon the view that the teachings of Jesus Christ urge Christians to support communism as the ideal social system. Christian communists trace the origins of their practice to teachings in the New Testament, such as this one from Acts of the Apostles at chapter 2 and verses 42, 44, and 45:

        42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and in fellowship … 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things in common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. (King James Version)

        Christian communism can be seen as a radical form of Christian socialism. Also, because many Christian communists have formed independent stateless communes in the past, there is also a link between Christian communism and Christian anarchism. Christian communists may not agree with various parts of Marxism, but they share some of the political goals of Marxists, for example replacing capitalism with socialism, which should in turn be followed by communism at a later point in the future. However, Christian communists sometimes disagree with Marxists (and particularly with Leninists) on the way a socialist or communist society should be organized.

      • James

        1911man, It’s based upon the notion that Jesus loves every damn thing. They carry their Bible around for show, not insight. When a woman of Canaan asked Jesus to heal her daughter, He ignored her. When she repeated her supplication, He said: “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” When she worshipped Him, He said: “It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and cast it to dogs” (Mt. 15:22-28). Needless to say, no church ever quotes that!

      • Mirage

        Sorry you’re so threatened you felt the need to write a manifesto.
        Any way, guess what … if it weren’t for universities/higher education throughout the ages, and the contributions to society that their most brilliant minds were able to achieve, you’d be paintin’ animal figures on the inside of some cave somewhere, vs. typing out dribble via computer for all to either embrace, or rightfully, laugh at.

    • Jibbs

      How would you like my small southern town boot up your big city a$$, perhaps you would like to visit my small southern town and repeat you words in the middle of town for all to hear.
      No one here voted for the NIC.

      • Mirage

        In your terms, so you can grasp the image: A big Montanan boot beats a small southern town boot any day. Now run along and eat your crackers.

    • ohoh

      Your comments about Ringer reveal more about your ignorance of the issue rather than Ringer’s. Ringer just presumed a baseline intelligence and knowledge which you possibly lack, for it is you who need to do some reacing.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      I think you have failed to see the truth. Obama is either a Marxist or a Totalitarian Socialist, or a Nazzi. Like it or not, those are the facts Mam.

    • JeffH

      Mirage, there is no longer any question about O’man’s Marxist background…it’s simply a fact!

      Background information

      “Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.” –Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist Saul Alinsky

      Obama helped fund ‘Alinsky Academy’: “The Woods Fund, a nonprofit on which Obama served as paid director from 1999 to December 2002, provided startup funding and later capital to the Midwest Academy…. Obama sat on the Woods Fund board alongside William Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground domestic terrorist organization…. ‘Midwest describes itself as ‘one of the nation’s oldest and best-known schools for community organizations, citizen organizations and individuals committed to progressive social change.’… Midwest teaches Alinsky tactics of community organizing.”

      Obama and the Cult of Alinsky: “True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within. Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties…. Many leftists view Hillary as a sell-out because she claims to hold moderate views on some issues. However, Hillary is simply following Alinsky’s counsel to do and say whatever it takes to gain power.

      “Obama is also an Alinskyite…. Obama spent years teaching workshops on the Alinsky method. In 1985 he began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago, working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project…. Camouflage is key to Alinsky-style organizing. While trying to build coalitions of black churches in Chicago, Obama caught flak for not attending church himself. He became an instant churchgoer.”

    • http://personalliberyt.com 1911man

      and you talk about using inaccurate hyperbole, spouting gradeschool crap inuendoes like that?

      • http://personalliberyt.com 1911man

        this was for mirage.

  • http://Boblivingston Lyle McDaniel

    fire them all, start over

  • 4-just_us

    Why is our congress and President so corrupt,above the law, and only interested in their bank account? Because nobody there is held acountable? How did it get this way? It’s no use to keep changing people, we need to figure a way to change the system and I don’t see anybody trying to do that except Ron Paul. Our two party system,lobyiest system, corporat money system,monatary system and accountability system need to change first.

  • DanB

    I was sick with my choices in 2008. An ignorant voter in many respects buying the line that I had to vote for either McCain or Obama. This time, while I hope that the Tea Party wins their battle against the republican establishment in the primaries, even if they only squeak in one of the candidates, this year I will be voting my conscience even if I have to write in my choice. I would prefer to not do a write in. If I am presented with the choice of progressive versus progressive lite again, I am going to do what is right and vote but vote for neither of the above. How I wish the debate was from two constitutional conservatives instead of what we had in 2008. It would be much better to choose the best between something say like Mike Lee and Ron Paul (I know Mike Lee is not running for president but I wanted to paint a picture of someone we might agree with is a constitutional conservative). I was hoping we would see some of this with the republican primaries but too many of them have gotten into the political machine, which makes me sick, and the moderators of the debates seem to want to avoid illustrating that constitutional conservatives are making a showing in this primary. As if they are intentionally seeking to hide a rising opposition to progressivism. Which is probably why you have seen so little air time for your much vaunted Ron Paul, or why I am disgusted that the others I was hoping to hear debate have been steered by their campaigns and the debate moderators into very disturbing collapses. And so far I have only heard one candidate even say something that I thought was key to being a true constitutional conservative in the Presidency, and it wasn’t Ron Paul. It was one of those things that I felt was more important than getting 99% correct on what was constitutional or not, for if the person we elect sacrifices the constitutional limit of the President in order to preserve the constitution, then we’ve lost the constitution anyways. Of course, none of the candidates have declared that they would do what I dream a constitutional conservative would do, and that is abolish executive orders. And I mean ALL!! Making only one “executive order” specifically to end all past and present executive orders. It would be a mess I realize because you would have to sort out a ton from the past, but that would be my dream to have a constitutional conservative who would return the presidency to its very limited powers and authority. I don’t expect it to all happen in one presidency, but I would love a grand start to the process. I don’t see that happening in any of these candidates. I didn’t expect it either. With the progressive machine in place, even a constitutional conservative would be sorely tempted to hold on to the most powerful weapon in the presidents arsenal. And I would expect that most of us who would favor a constitutional conservative would cry out in pain and agony if they truly did declare that they would break the power of executive order. I still wish for it though.

    • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

      And who is the one candidate that you heard say something constitutional?

    • Jibbs

      Who do you have in mind??

  • Tom

    I want a job (Rep & Dem) that I do not have to do anything or take any responsibilities but get paid for the rest of my life.

    We need to vote in all independents and do away with the same old same old BS in Washington.

    Were was Obama in these meetings to give guidance!

    Vote Ron Paul…….

  • Warrior

    If it wasn’t for Grover NORQUIST, this would have been a huge success! Frickin “progressives” are hilarious, however, they all must go.

  • Alex

    Nine years of Bush Tax Cuts did NOTHING for everyday American families. Where are all the promised jobs?

    Even such a dimwitted electorate as ours, which has called over and over, ACROSS party lines, to tax the rich fairly, are beginning to place the blame where it belongs—our hyper-Capitalist system that destroys families while rewarding greed..

    The only thing that trickles down is urine—you Reich Wingers bottle it and call it ‘Tea”.

    • Jeep

      Alex, it is interesting how marxist individuals such as yourself are very good at blaming everyone but the socialist programs that have brought America to the brink of economic collapse. I know, you have all the stock Alinsky responses, are invested in your rhetoric and unyielding in your anti-American beliefs. But, the blame for your failure to thrive in our society rests on your shoulders alone. If you did not benefit from the “Bush tax cuts” then that is YOUR problem. Stop blaming everyone else for your failure to thrive. American patriots no longer have the time or the inclination to put up with the marxist drivel spewing forth from your addled brain housing group. Again, you are the failure, not the system.

      • Alex

        What on Earth gives you the idea that I fail to thrive? Because I am a dedicated Leftist, but not so much so that I ever heard of Saul Alinsky before stumbling onto PLD?

        You do not make much sense, Jeep, especially with the {M}arxist stuff. You should read some books, take your lips away from the Faux Noose gaspipe and get some air. You have no real sense of the term ‘Marxist’, it’s just a word you pretend to understand, but by applying it to a mainstream Capitalist like President Barack Hussein Obama betrays your ignorance.

        Curious: Are you one of those neo-conartists who cheered and sent other peoples’ children to die in Iraq? For Capital? If so, do you intend to apologize to any of the families whose kids you killed?

        As great a disappointment as President Obama has turned out to be, he will still be reelected because
        a) the Tegaggers have NOBODY to beat him, and
        b) the GOP lock-step policy of pushing this wretched country to the brink of ruin in hopes of holding Obama to one term has blown up in your bloated faces—look at the backlash already in Wisconsin and Ohio. Putting the hurt on American families for potential political gain never works, losers. HAA!!!

      • Jibbs

        You bring new meaning to the words, stupid and dumb.

      • Lost in Paradise

        Congratulations Alex you are an excellent liberal,socialist,expletive. In addition, you are dumb as a post.

    • alexa

      Creating jobs does little in the long run. However, if one creates products and services people want, then the jobs follow. Taking the path of ‘creating jobs’ produces a Greece. You just cannot have a third of the people working for government and another third on welfare and expect an economy to grow.

      • PATRIOT 101

        Alexa,
        You are right! I want the freedom to have a job, not have a job “created” for me! There is no unemployment in a Dictatorship. Slackers are forced into labor. Worthless eaters are exterminated.
        Those that beg government to “make them a job” are begging for a totalitarian regime.

      • http://personalliberyt.com 1911man

        agreed and well said.

  • http://na. Robert Bradfield

    Hi, it is that South African again.

    Looking at budget cuts and how to do them reminds me of what we did while I was a cost accountant at one of the Anglo-American goldmines where I worked. We gave each department head the all the budgets for each of the departments. They were required to come up with a lower budget for the mine as a whole. Each one could then adjust their own and each other department’s budget. After all this we as the cost accountants took their suggestions implemented their suggestions and then required everyone to use that budget to ensure the profitability of the mine but also requiring that they stick to their production plans and productivity objectives.

    No discussions were allowed during this process and no one was allowed to adjust their budgets during that year. The consequences were that we had one of the most productive and profitable years one that mine. I would suggest that this is exactly what should be done to your “super budget committee”, no discussions with anyone, no access by anyone, and implementing the biggest suggested cuts put forward by each of the members -then that will not only achieve the objective of cutting the budget by $1,2 trillion over 10 years, but will achieve that in one year. The next time around one would use twelve new people to investigate the budget and i promise you that within five years your budget will be not only balanced but really cut to the bone to ensure productive government spending on those programs that contributes most to the wellbeing of America. I call this “management by minimization” instead of “management by excess”.

    Be kind to everyone and my best wishes to all.

  • PATRIOT 101

    You are all missing the BIG reason the Super Committee failed. They were ordered to fail. They (Democrats) were locked into $1 Trillion in Tax increases. Not a chance in H*** that the Repubs would go along with that.
    The media chimes and reports polls telling us how “worthless” and “unpopular” Congress is. The real motivation here is to make Congress even less desirable (if that is possible). Obama says he will act in the face of a “Do Nothing Congress”. Except people don’t realize he means that he will say he MUST go around the Do-Nothing congress on his way to total dictatorship. Watch for even more and blatant power grabs by the White House and this emerging dictator. The media will “Hail” Obama as smart and compassionate all along the way and urge “enforcement” of Presidential EO’s.
    Welcome to the new Police State of Amerika. Buy more bullets.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Sounds familiar, like 1930′s Germany comes to mind. I have been buying firearms and ammunition since November 2008, for the first time in my life, by the way.

  • bob wire

    “It’s scary to think about, but even Ann Coulter has fallen into the ageless trap of believing that conservatives should once again set aside their principles and nominate a candidate who can win. Not only is such a position unprincipled, it also yields either a losing Presidential race or a Republican President who does nothing more than carry the water bucket for Democrats. (Think George W. Bush.)”

    WHAT!!!! ????????

    well, yes a candidate that could actually win would be nice.

    but W carrying water for the DNC? ~ you want to blame that 8 years turkey on us do you?

    I can’t blame you for trying!

    • Jeep

      no bob, we will not “blame” you for GW…just the 5 trillion in deficit spending, unemployment above 9% (still!), dismal growth rate of 2%, obamacare, “shovel ready” jobs under more stimulous…you know, the stuff that your hero IS responsible for.

      • bob wire

        Well, I knew you was going to blame me for something!

        and your numbers are off, a little high Jeep, not mention much of this spending would not have been necessary if 43′s administration has actually ran the nation in hands on fashion. He left town and things a big mess.

        Ya! ya! I’m going to Crawford and chop cedar, you can figure it out!

      • clarence swinney

        TRY 8 OF BUSHELOON WITH 6 OF TOTAL CONSERVATIVE CONTROL
        WORST IN HISTORY
        CHECK THIS FACT CHECK
        Clinton to Bush to Obama
        Who Dug the Deep Hole? Who Fumbled the ball?
        Numbers rounded

        Clinton left Bush an 1800B Budget
        Bush Left Obama a 3500 Budget

        Clinton left Bush a 240B Surplus as far as the eye can see
        Bush left Obama a 1400B Deficit as far as the eye can see

        Clinton left Bush 5,700B of Debt
        Bush left Obama 11,800B of Debt

        Clinton left Bush a 237,000 net new jobs created per month
        Bush left Obama a 31,000 lowest number since Hoover.

        Clinton left Bush 17 Million Manufacturing Jobs
        Bush left Obama 11 Million Manufacturing Jobs

        Clinton left Bush a 10,800 Dow
        Bush left Obama an 8028 Dow

        Clinton left Bush Peace on Earth Good Will From Most Men
        Bush left Obama Hell on Earth Two disastrous wars. Enmity of 1500 Million Muslims

        Clinton left Bush a President most highly rated of any peacetime President in Asia, Africa, Europe.
        Bush left Obama the most hated President in history
        Bush left Obama an Housing Tsunami and Financial Volcano
        Bush left Obama, in 2008, an 8500B Bail out commitment Yes! 8500 not just 700
        Bush left Obama his Takeover of Fannie/Freddie, AIG, and first bailout of Chrysler
        Bush increased maximum loan by Fannie/Freddie from $300,000 to $729,000
        Bush increased FDIC maximum deposit coverage from $100,000 to $250,000
         clarence swinney–political historian–lifeaholics of america burlington nc
        author-Lifeaholic–Life story of Workaholic failure to Lifeaholic success
        Best seller list in haw river nc population 200 and growing
        comments welcome at cswinney2@triad.rr.com facts -numbers not opinion

      • Lost in Paradise

        Clarence your brain is stuck on Bush. Hit yourself in the head with a pick-axe, and maybe it will relieve the pressure.

      • Seek Wisdom

        The main thing livingston wants ‘liberty’ from is a progressive,21st century. The republicans have blocked any kind of healthcare reform for decades. They seem to worship the ‘I’ve got mine-the heck with you’ mentality.They want the government to provide police protection, a healthy infrastructure,no education,but don’t want to have to pay for it-let the lower-income folks pay for it.
        To use an expression I once heard,”Freedom isn’t free”.
        Your numbers don’t lie,Mr Swinney.

      • ohoh

        But his depiction of Bush’s terms as “conservative control” is a lie. Bush was no conservative. He was Obama progressive light at best.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Then you should make a hasty exit, stage left.

    • PATRIOT 101

      Ann Coulter is just part of the Fox News wing of the military industrial complex. Chris Christie EXPOSED her when he endorsed Romney. Remember Ann Coulter fawned over Chris Christie as the new “Savior”. She is not all that conservative if she was for Chris Christie who couldn’t wait to endorse Socialist Romney!

  • http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

    Well now,let me get this straight – Obama keeps blaming everyone else for the mess and continues to say that the Republicans keep blocking his attempts to rectify the situation. That is his own admission of incompetence. He was not employed to tell us why he cannot do the job, he was employed to do it and if he can’t control his staff, then he better leave so that we can find someone (with a spine) who can.

  • http://personallibertydigest CaptRichG

    Nothing more has to be said Mr. Ringer said it all – eloquently I might add

  • Thomas B

    The vine of progressive programs which has its’ tentacles so wrapped around Americans’ wallets needs to be aggressively pruned. The churches will take care of the needy, which was what they did before the progressives( they’re actually regressives) started getting into the nurturing business to fool us into a gradual state of communistic powerlessness. The creatures of the left, who are from the parallel universe where everything is the reverse of what it should be must finally be sent back into the closet for the good of the many. A balanced budget will be impossible and a vital society will be impossible so long as the creepos who are separated from God, are allowed to have considerable power. if the country survives and elects a Rebublican, we can pressure the new administration, via the Tea Party, to cut, cut, cut. Perhaps a chain saw for some of the big vines. This will be an act of compassion for the vast majority of Americans. The social programs mostly produce troubled individuals who should have had love in a two parent household that has faith in God. If we cannot bring America back to faith in God, we will not be in America. We need to fight for our foundational principals I believe. Otherwise the liberals will keep pulling everything downward, and we will stay broke.

  • BobDin

    I knew the Super Committee was a joke from the start. Half of the committee was hell bent on raising taxes and resistant to making the needed spending cuts. These 6 were ultra liberal with no intentions of doing any real spending cuts. The other half were of the exact opposite. I knew this combination was doomed to fail

    • Ted Crawford

      That was clear from the start.We need only remember that their (Leader?) Nancy Pelosi warned them from the beginning not to make any consessions on entitlement spending! If they woun’t do that there was no point in even beginning! That is except for the one their got, Obamas ability to continue his disingeniouse arguement that the Republicans woun’t compromise!

      • Seek Wisdom

        …and the republicans went in refusing to compromise on taxes. So either the low-income and the retired folks are sacrificed, or tax cuts are sacrificed. As for me,I will follow the Lord’s words.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Does your Lord emphasize the Ten Commandments? If he does, do you remember the 8th and 10th? If you are not aware, they are: Thou Shalt Not Steal; Thou Shalt Not Covet.

      • Seek Wisdom

        My Lord is THE Lord. I am happy to see you know the Commandments. We should live by them.

      • Iva Raggon

        The ultra rich covet more than anyone else or they wouldn’t be ultra rich.

        There is a small group of elite CEOs who all sit on each others’ corporations compensation committees/ Of course they vote for massive compensation because they know that their turn is coming up and they will get theirs.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    When the drill instructors at Parris Island wanted to really get our attention, they would refer to some as GUTLESS WONDERS. It was amazing the difference that could be made in eleven weeks.

  • Thom

    This morning I was forced to reflect on the “super committees” inability to reach an agreement and found that I was not at all surprised, as a matter of fact, I had predicted this outcome when they were formed and had a historical basis to make the prediction.
    The democrats had 2 years where they had a supermajority in both houses of congress. Did they manage to pass a budget in either of those 2 years? Nope. Obama hasn’t gotten himself involved in the actual business of governing the country since he has been President. He left the actual mechanics in the hands of Reid and Pelosi, but He hasn’t actually been a “hands on” we have a problem and we need to solve it guy. He’s good at making speeches to tell others how to solve THEIR deficit reduction problems in Europe, but he isn’t the President of Europe.
    As to the Super committee, you take 6 hard left democrats and 6 moderate to right wing republicans and tell them that if they fail, the thing that the lefties want most MAJOR cuts in defense will happen, do they lose if nothing happens? Nope. There will also be smaller cuts in Medicare and Medicade, but those are mandated by Obamacare anyway, so the lefties win under any scenario.
    Senator Mikulski was VERY clear in her address to the left wingers that she would not accept ANY cut in entitlements; that the whole thing would have to be funded with tax increases. So, the republicans put forward two proposals, one had no tax increases, and it was shot down, the other had some significant tax hikes, but also called for entitlement cuts. Both were shot down by the democrats on the panel.
    So my question is when the compromise is put forth and is rejected, why are the republicans held responsible. When are the democrats going to forward ANY budget proposal? They haven’t in the last 3 years and I don’t think they will start now. They just want to blame someone. Why do I feel like I am reading another chapter of Atlas Shrugged?
    Who IS John Galt?

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Thom… Good post. We need term limits for Congress. I think this mess wouldn’t be as bad as it is if we had term limits. It would end that good ole boy mentality that is so prevalent!

      • Seek Wisdom

        As far as I know,we have always had term limits.It is called ‘elections’. The only thing specific mandated term limits do is deprive Americans from electing the candidate of their collective choice. That sounds un-American.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        You better continue on your quest to ‘seek wisdom’.

      • Seek Wisdom

        Seeking wisdom is a lifelong pursuit that has,so far,resulted in my previous post…you are welcome.

      • Greg T

        Presidential term limits works well…

      • JC

        SW, its a good theory, and it’s supposed to work…
        but I think most of us can see by now that it doesn’t work.
        I think term limits are a good start on the road back to being a Republic.
        We need to end the Fed and abolish the IRS.
        both of which are a disease on our nation and both of which do very well having life long Senators and Congressmen in their pockets.

      • PATRIOT 101

        Term Limits won’t work! We need an informed electorate! There are good people in congress that have been there a long time; there are worthless communists that are there too.
        Sadly if people don’t wake up and pay attention our nation is a goner.
        Another thing I think won’t work is a balanced budget amendment! Spending can’t be cut, so taxes would have to be raised to comply with a balanced budget amendment! There would be property confiscations to balance the budget, as no amount of increased taxes would cover our deficit spending!

      • http://personalliberyt.com 1911man

        I am very much inclined to agree with you on these points, I’ve heard these arguments before and with the calibre of reps, we have don’t find it hard to beleive.

    • clarence swinney

      SUPERMAJORITY????
      HOW DID THEY GET 120 BILS TRASH BASKETED

  • MarieSmedberg

    Ya hadda know the moment they came up with the name “Super Committee” that NOTHING would come of it. How stupid does the Congress & President think we are?

    • martin

      I think they know how stupid the American people. They got voted into office by stupid people.

      • Aix Sponsa

        and its gonna happen again, hide and watch.

  • http://Personalliberty Tony

    To Everyone here:
    This shows both parties and goverment stinks. Have them replaced.
    Thanks and happy Thanksgiving!!

    • Aix Sponsa

      “We should never underestimate the ignorance of the American voter”. Bob Livingston

  • http://google Jo Tracy

    WAY TOO KIND!!!!!!!

  • Angel Wannabe

    This “Super Committee” is another Dog and Pony Show, alot of wind, and the blame game!__Just for the record, I’m glad Washington doesn’t sell tickets for these shows they put on, they suck, and we can’t afford them!

    • Aix Sponsa

      DC is all a shell game. Keeping the publiks attention off the real issues so that they can manipulate the system and stay “employed”. Think about it.

  • Dntmkmecmoverther

    This consistent ‘compromise by losing’ strategy is just plain insubordinate to the American people. 12 were assigned to do the work of the 435…does that make ANY sense to ANYONE?

    I say FIRE THE WHOLE LOT and let’s put new faces and minds in the congress with an ultimatum: get us back to Constitutional reality and cut the ‘crap’ from all the budgets. You have 1 year to accomplish this. If they can’t, fire them and pay them only the minimum wage; no benefits, no retirement (just like us)

    This is the only way to see our government actually transform; or reform, to what it once was. What it is now is not government but stupidity on steroids; and irresponsibility on parade.

    • Lost in Paradise

      Ok, you get started tomorrow. You have six months to get done or you are fired!

  • http://personalliberyt.com 1911man

    I beleive the super-committe was established to do 2 things, move the decisions away from congress so they didn’t have to do their jobs and fsil from the beginning. I am so tired of the repbs. bowing down to the dems and doing nothing. when will someone show some backbone and get serious about some real cuts that will actually do something to reduce the spending and set us on a path to recovery?We need to cut spending now in a drastic way, not a 5 or 10 year plan that just drags this problem out and acomplishes nothing.I want a congress that is working to move this country ahead in a positive way, vote all incombants out and lets start over with new representation, it couldn’t be any worse than what we have now.

    • standfortheworker

      We MUST CUT SPENDING – ACROSS THE BOARD. NO EXCEPTIONS.
      Start with a 5 PERCENT CUT IN EVERY GOVERNMENTAL BUDGET and tell the affected programs, committees, beauracracies, ETC. – “Make do, and this is only for STARTS! NEXT YEAR YOU ARE GOING TO BE CUT ANOTHER 5 PERCENT!!”.

      CUT USELESS WASTES OF MONEY TO “AMTRAK, The Dept of (un)Education, (or rather The Dept. of Liberal Idoctrination).

      Trim down the very inefficient Post Office some more.

      Cut the EPA’s budget in half, because they have gone way beyond the bounds of reason. (Ex: Volunteer firefighters got surrounded by and were killed in recent wildfires because EPA REGULATIONS prevented helicopters from saving the volunteers. They were instructed to go much further to get their “drop water” because if they took it from the local stream they would endanger a FISH.) OVER regulation of Industry and commercial endeavors have stifled job production – and the economy.

      Bring in the flat tax – 8 or 10 percent across the board – AND NO MORE ! EVERYONE PAYS. Everyone has SKIN IN THE GAME !!!!
      By doing this you can ELIMINATE THE CONVOLUTED IRS AND IT’S TAX CODE.
      YOU NO LONGER NEED CPA’s AND TAX EXPERTS AND LAWYERS – JUST TO PAY YOUR TAXES !!

      The individual citizens have to make do with what they have – It’s time for Government TO LIVE WITHIN IT’S MEANS.

      WELFARE gets BIG CUTS. ONLY those who can show they are incapable of working and contributing to society are eligible for help. If you are not eligible – you will have a relatively SHORT TIME – perhaps 18 months to get a job. After that – NO MORE LAZY ASS FREE RIDES. EVERYONE HAS GOD-GIVEN GIFTS AND TALENTS – SO GUESS WHAT ?? YOU’RE GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT YOURS ARE !!! Novel idea huh ??

      Folks if we don’t buckle down and do something DRASTIC and SOON – THERE LITERALLY WILL NOT BE A SYSTEM OF WELFARE or ANYTHING ELSE. It is all in the process of IMPLODING. THE SOCIETY AS WE KNOW IT WILL NO LONGER EXIST. We are heading for a DEEP DEPRESSION.

      Brain-washed liberals who want to increase taxes and continue to increase government programs haven’t a clue !
      The whole thing is falling down around them and all they can do is cry for more of the same. REDISTRIBUTIONISM EVENTUALLY LOSES – BECAUSE ONCE YOU’VE RUN THE WORKING CLASS (AND THE JOBS) OUT OF THE COUNTRY – YOU WILL FIND THERE IS NOTHING ELSE TO TAKE – BUT YOU WILL STILL HAVE MILLIONS WHO ARE READY TO BURN THE CITIES TO THE GROUND IF THEY DON’T GET THEIR GOVERNMENT CHECK.

      What was that saying about giving a man a fish or a fishing pole ??

      • Old Henry

        5%?? Surely you jest! A minimum of 25% is barely a good start.

  • LYGHTITUP

    Well said sc but, you were too kind.

  • s c

    This committee, like most committees, is faced with two options. They can 1) keep playing games and refuse to own up to their roles in this mess (it’s the ECONOMY, stupid) and 2) use the Constitution and what little common sense they ever had to find and use real ANSWERS.
    Everything else is fluff and posturing. The American people should feel more than insulted, as our political wizards are still looking for ways to weasel out of THEIR responsibility in bringing America almost to its knees via an utter LACK of leadership in Washington.
    And the icing on the cake, the scum at the top of the septic tank, the nose-plugging stench brought by ‘God’s’ gift to politics [what's-his-name in the White House], and we have an absolute recipe for disaster. Say what you will about The Anointed Curse, he can shift the blame to any point on the compass according to an old, proven formula perfected by FDR (‘we must find the culprit at any cost, but it can’t be ME because I’m perfect’).
    Some draftees from a coffee shop and several grade school kids can come up with better answers than the so-called Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction.
    Kindly forget the finger pointing. We can do this the easier way or we can rely on bluffs borrowed from race card specialists and a truly warped version of ‘good intentions are better than results.’ To hell with bruised egos and your addiction to undeserved power, DO THE JOB and restore SANITY to Washington WHILE IT CAN BE DONE.
    DO YOUR JOB, you ‘elite,’ hand-picked, mental giants who couldn’t buy common sense at a dime store buffoons. What is it that you LOSERS get paid for back there? Tap some REAL experts from out here in the REAL world. We can still add two and two, and that’s what it takes to do YOUR job – LOSERS.

    • Patrick Fahey

      After reading each and every comment above, one thing is clear: not one sentence was devoted to analyzing anything. The above writers would make better use of their time by reading some history–the history of The New Deal, the history of the political debates in the later 1920′s and 1930′s. Some of you would be embarrassed at the shallowness of your debate, vilifying in precisely the same manner that GOP conservatives, Big Oil and Banking “experts” did in the 1930′s. None of your “ideas” are new. One thing we can ALL agree upon: the nature of Washington as a mega-buck financed machine that needs an overhaul systematically is true. Analytically, publically financed elections would serve ALL of us. We share the view that Obama has not been a strong president. Had he listened to the Progressive Caucus and pushed for a single payer health care system and gotten us out of laissez-faire market-driven health care, we would all have benefited. Their is NO solution to electing a Republican, nor following the laissez-faire philosophy of a non-regulated private sector. Banks and Big Oil have proved that they cannot be trusted by the 99% of us. It’s just the nature of the beast to be greedy when nobody’s keeping a regulatory eye out on behalf of the little people like us–which includes each and every citizen above. THAT was the purpose of Glass-Steagal, FHA, child labor laws and the Clean Water Act. Why are more writer on this blog not calling for a return to Glass-Steagal, a law designed to protect us from Wall Street? Because most of the writers on the right don’t know what Glass-Steagal is, nor are most Americans schooled in the history that brought this law about–whether left, right or moderate. Sadly, it was Bill Clinton falling to the pressure of self-serving lobbyist Newt Gingrich to repeal this law which resulted in the economic collapse of 2009. These are the facts on the ground, and no mindless, historyless meandering can change the facts. I hope the writers on this blog will spend less time slavically agreeing with each other and do more homework. Thank you for your time.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Patrick Fahey

        Thank you,Well said.

      • clarence swinney

        Clinton to Bush to Obama
        Who Dug the Deep Hole? Who Fumbled the ball?
        Numbers rounded

        Clinton left Bush an 1800B Budget
        Bush Left Obama a 3500 Budget

        Clinton left Bush a 240B Surplus as far as the eye can see
        Bush left Obama a 1400B Deficit as far as the eye can see

        Clinton left Bush 5,700B of Debt
        Bush left Obama 11,800B of Debt

        Clinton left Bush a 237,000 net new jobs created per month
        Bush left Obama a 31,000 lowest number since Hoover.

        Clinton left Bush 17 Million Manufacturing Jobs
        Bush left Obama 11 Million Manufacturing Jobs

        Clinton left Bush a 10,800 Dow
        Bush left Obama an 8028 Dow

        Clinton left Bush Peace on Earth Good Will From Most Men
        Bush left Obama Hell on Earth Two disastrous wars. Enmity of 1500 Million Muslims

        Clinton left Bush a President most highly rated of any peacetime President in Asia, Africa, Europe.
        Bush left Obama the most hated President in history
        Bush left Obama an Housing Tsunami and Financial Volcano
        Bush left Obama, in 2008, an 8500B Bail out commitment Yes! 8500 not just 700
        Bush left Obama his Takeover of Fannie/Freddie, AIG, and first bailout of Chrysler
        Bush increased maximum loan by Fannie/Freddie from $300,000 to $729,000
        Bush increased FDIC maximum deposit coverage from $100,000 to $250,000
         clarence swinney–political historian–lifeaholics of america burlington nc
        author-Lifeaholic–Life story of Workaholic failure to Lifeaholic success
        Best seller list in haw river nc population 200 and growing
        comments welcome at cswinney2@triad.rr.com facts -numbers not opinion

      • alex

        the only way clinton left a surplus was to disarm the us,then pissed off the muslims so they attacked us as soon as the new president was elected, it took bush six years to get the stock market to 14000 and in two years polosi and reid droped it to 7000

      • Seek Wisdom

        alex: post facts,not anti-american dribble.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        You are distorting the truth. Are you a Totalitarian Socialist? Clinton never once balanced the budget. Congress came close. As far as Bush goes, he is a Rockefeller Republican (RINO.) Only slightly less dangerous than Gore or Mr. Heinz. McCain is also a RINO, only slightly less dangerous than Obama.

      • 45caliber

        Seek Wisdom:

        alex did leave facts – better ones that sweeney copied from his liberal friends.

      • JeffH

        Just a reminder and a fact…Clinton never balanced the budget!

        The government can have a surplus even if it has trillions in debt, but it cannot have a surplus if that debt increased every year. This article is about surplus/deficit, not the debt. However, it analyzes the debt to prove there wasn’t a surplus under Clinton.
        http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

      • JeffH

        For those that want a more detailed explanation of why a claimed $236 billion surplus resulted in the national debt increasing by $18 billion, please read this follow-up article.
        http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/30

      • joe1cr

        Facts are facts, but left out what Obama is leaving the American tax payer with his incompetent leadership since Jan 20,2009 .

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Jeffh,

        Clinton’ssurplus? What was Reagan’s excuse?

        Jul 2, 2010 … Ronald Reagan and who was conservative enough to be elected to … billion over five years — the largest corporate tax increase in history. … As governor, Reagan was the biggest California spender of the last half century. …
        http://www.pensitoreview.com/2010/07/02/reagan-raised-taxes-7-times/

      • JeffH

        …coal…and what’s your point?

      • JC

        INTERESTING OBSERVATION

        1. The sport of choice for the urban poor is BASKETBALL.
        2. The sport of choice for maintenance level employees is BOWLING.
        3. The sport of choice for front-line workers is FOOTBALL.
        4. The sport of choice for supervisors is BASEBALL.
        5. The sport of choice for middle management is TENNIS. And
        6. The sport of choice for corporate executives and officers is GOLF.

        THE AMAZING CONCLUSION:

        The higher you go in the corporate structure, the smaller your
        balls become.

        There must be a lot of people in DC playing MARBLES!

      • Aix Sponsa

        David Walker former head of the GAO said that the Clinton Administration was a financial hoax. Watch his videos on you-tube.

      • Joe H.

        JC,
        Nah, In DC, the favorite sport is shooting b-bs with a slingshot!!!

      • barb

        Bush ended his administration with a total of 30 predatory drone strikes during the 8 years he was in the White House. Obama has increased the number of predatory drone strikes to over 700 in the 3 years of his administration. With the increase of predatory drones comes the increase of civilian deaths…over 3,000 civilian deaths alone in Pakistan. During the Bush administration predatory drones were used in Afghanistan and Iraq. During the present Obama administration, drones are used in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somali.

      • alex

        what i truly hope is that democraps are just being sly, not stupid like they sound

      • jyrine

        You left out EVIL.

      • AnneOnymous

        Their only stupid as they sound because Republicant’s keep putting words in their mouths and:

        “It’s all part of the same old Washington game, and the rules of the game are very simple: Democrats never agree to any serious spending cuts, and Republicans always give in (while pretending to be victorious, of course).”

        Republicants give in because there’s such things as riders that are secretly applied to those compromises making the over-all progress useless with breaks for the elite thus the entire bill must be scraped giving the impression that the demos are truly stupid.

      • Thinking About

        The reveal of Glass-Stegall lead by economist Phil Gramm was the opening of a waterfall we could not afford. He said many times if we would just deregulate them everything will be just fine. Wrong, it has broke everything. A fine example of an industry doing self regulation, they won’t do it. Make government smaller, industries without rules runs amok. For all the Constitution believers who wants the Constitution followed except for the parts they want to do away with, can’t have it your way when convient, it has to be all the time.

      • Old Henry

        Which parts, Thinking About, do the Constitutionalists want to do away with?

        I have not seen nor heard of any.

      • JeffH

        OH, he wasn’t thinking about that! :)

      • Thinking about

        Perhaps you have not heard about wanting to exclude, remove or ignore the 1st, 15th and 16th Amendments but the rumblings are there. If these amendments are watered down you can expect more of the same with all the others. We don’t get to pick and choose.

      • JeffH

        Oh yeah, I’ve heard those rumbling too…but that’s all they are, rumblings…right? Our government violates the constitution every day in one form or another.

        As for the 16th Amendement…The Founders who designed our Constitution sought to balance the power of the federal government against the states in order to keep both in check. It is time to repeal the 16th Amendment, the constitutional provision that authorizes the federal income tax. As its critics predicted when the amendment was passed in 1913, the income tax has become “a terror and torment to the honest citizen.” It is absurdly complicated, inefficient and intrusive. Overzealous bureaucrats and politicians frequently abuse it.

        The income tax has another major fault too. It undermines the Constitution’s arrangements for limiting government. The Internal Revenue Service simply has no proper place in our constitutional system.

        Although the first income tax in 1913 was very limited–it applied to just 2% of the labor force, and its highest rate was 7%–it prepared the way for the federal government’s almost unlimited access to revenue. It thus provided an almost unlimited ability to fund programs that are properly state matters–crime fighting, education, welfare–and to pressure the states into conforming to a national standard in matters that should reflect regional differentiation, like speed limits and drinking ages.
        http://newteaparty.org/repeal_the_sixteenth_amendme.htm

      • Vicki

        Old Henry writes to Thinking About:
        “Which parts (of the Constitution) do the Constitutionalists want to do away with?

        I have not seen nor heard of any.”

        From Constitutionalists you won’t. Thinking About, being liberal, was just projecting typical liberal desire to ignore the Constitution.
        http://thetruthwins.com/archives/category/corruption

      • JeffH

        Vicki :)

      • karel Eekels

        Right on Thinking About.

      • Old Henry

        Patrick:

        Glass-Steagal has been discussed here in the past.

        When I was in school in the 50s / 60s FDR was held up as some sort of god that saved our country. Fortuntely I had parents and grandparents who taught me otherwise. FDR was basically evil and a communist. Ah, but I repeat myself.

      • Brian

        Right on OH!

      • Aix Sponsa

        AMEN and AMEN

      • http://charter howe

        Patrick, you would make a better argument for why we need an overhaul in the Congress and the Whitehouse because these political imposters who are supposed to be representing WE THE PEOPLE are not doing their job. Screw history, lets deal with the now situation and that is we are at or on the threshold of bankruptcy and every time you turn around someone in Washington wants to create a new spending bill or argue about tax on the rich and the oil companies. Does anyone give a crap about doing what it takes to allow America to survive and not the party. The democrats do not want to cut spending and the Republicans do not want to vote for taxes on anyone during a recession so why is anyone surprised that the super committee would not be able to get past the ideology. While lots of taxes on everybody would bring more revenue it would not even come close to fixing the debt/deficit. On the other hand cutting entitlements which is where the only significant debt recuction can be made has the democrats fleeing from the scene of the truth. Obama is the biggest problem of all, because we have a crisis that cannot be solved without his leadership. Obama would rather denigrate, cast ugly dispersions and create devisiveness rather than sit down with the House and Senate and stump for reasonable compromise. Obama’s idea of compromise is it is going to be my way or the highway and if you don’t do as I say, I will bad mouth you to the world and further more don’t annoy me while I’m enjoying my daily pick-up basketball game except when I have a reservation on the golf course. Harry Reid in the Senate is Obama’s home boy and servant of the political realm so while Reid has been holding 22 house passed bills for job creation on his desk waiting for Obama to signal when to allow them on the floor so Obama can finish his campaign tour of North Carolina and three other states so he can blast the republicans for doing nothing to help the job situation and even threatening to take executive action to circumvent Congress. Is this president trying to win a nobel peace prize for being a deceiver-in-chief or does he want to stay an ordinary liar-in-chief with a backup plan to disguise his socialistic agenda. I keep hearingg talk about tax reform that would be good for the economy because it would not raise tax on anyone just to glean revenue. It would create a fairer system of taxation and close most loop holes so that more revenue can get to the U.S. Tresuary. There are hundreds of useless programs in the public and private sector that do nothing to promote the free market system and also cutting defense more than 10% would be disasterous considering all the threats we are faced with from third world countries. Mr. Chris Van Hollen and Patty Murray are two absolute socialist democratic ideologues and they would not cut spending even if it meant the demise of our great nation, so the Democrats put people on the supercommittee who were known to fail the objective. The Republicans came into the meeting with only tax reform on the table and it was known beforehand that raising taxes would only be done with huge legitimate cuts or the deal was off the table. The result was doomed from the outset, so I blame Harry Reid and Obama for this dilemma.

      • http://detlef55@qwestoffice.net Detlef Naase

        Great post, I had to dig out my old Rise and Fall of the 3rd Reich one line struck me recalling the history of the Weimar republic. Your line that Obama would “TAKE EXECUTIVE ACTION TO CIRCUMVENT CONGRESS” You nailed it.
        Read this on Pg. 151 of R & F, “No wonder that when Bruening took over as Chancellor on March 28,1930 it had become impossible to achieve a majority in the Reichstag for any policy-of the Left, the Center or the Right- and that merely to carry on the business of government and DO SOMETHING about the economic paralysis he had to resort to Article 48 of the constitution, which permitted him in an emergency, if the President approved, to govern by decree”. We know where that ended up. I think he read the book, it is amazing how he stands aside provides no leadership than points his finger at the do nothing Congress. Yes he will take “EXECUTIVE ACTION” the equivalant to article 48, Crises after Crises will grow and so will his authoratarian power.

      • Aix Sponsa

        does anybody actually read all this schtuff?

      • PATRIOT 101

        Yes, I read a lot of this schtuff!

        I posted here (somewhere) that Obama will ratchet up his governance by decree (EO’s) going around Congress and the media will hail his “bold leadership” all the way to total dictatorship!
        Not much can stop him (I fear at this point). We’ll see if there is an election, we may avoid the worst case scenario.

      • http://personalliberyt.com 1911man

        not only do I read this stuff I bounce back and forth to read other articals on this sight, and come back for days to answer posts to things i’ve said.

      • karel Eekels

        I believe that it would not hurt for our “elite” members of Congress to take an honest and painful look at the past to learn more about the Austrian school of economics.

        Monetary policy vs. Fiscal policy & The creation of an artificial economy.

        These closet Keynesians were raised (as is the case with the current WH occupant) were raised on the mother’s milk of socialism that believe in monetary policy over which the Federal Reserve rules. (Fiscal policy is a domain of the US Congress).

        The Federal Reserve has lost its independence and is now tied to the political powers that today is doing the dirty work for the sitting president to get him re-elected by stimulating the economy by holding on to a generous welfare system, extending unemployment compensation, food stamps, free education and insurances, etc. They are oblivious to deficit spending and are debasing our currency. This alone allowed the United States of America to become the biggest counterfeit machine in the world. Bringing freshly printed (phantom) money into circulation and buying insurance against deflation to prevent a recession to continue is suicidal Maynard Keynes. Your great admirer/supporter Paul Krugman believes that your approach will contribute to a temporary political solution, but is far from a responsible fiscal one which explains why the long-term budget outlook remains very somber and definitely does not solve the problem we so badly need to come to terms with today.

        Fiscal responsible policies on the other hand have no tolerance for an enormous expansive project of government which transferred trillions of dollars from the productive sector to the non-productive and so enables the creation of a huge class of dependency in the US.

        The majority of “We the People” demand from the US Congress to put the fiscal house in order, and should not require another Super Committee.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        You are sadly mistaken. Clinton submitted the idea to Congress which, mistakenly revoked the Glass-Steagal Act. I for one have been writing and talking about this being the main cause of our economic problems today since 1999. You evidently never read my posts here. As far as celebrating FDR, I can not disagree more.

      • Thinking about

        Check your history on this one and see what bill repealed the Glass-Stegall bill, you will find Gramm’s name on the bill. Clinton did not introduce bills, he signed or vetoed bills.

      • Brad

        Thinking about,

        Quoting from Huffpo “Only eight senators would vote against the measure — lionized by its proponents, including senior staff in the Clinton administration and many now staffing President Obama, as the most important breakthrough in the worlds of finance and politics in decades”. Here is the link http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/11/glass-steagall-act-the-se_n_201557.html Clinton sided with the new law that repealed Glass-Steagall my next question would be why didn’t he (Clinton) veto the bill?

      • Thinking about

        Now this is going to be an easy one to answer, Clinton did not introduce the bill, Phil Gramm stated several times if they would just deregulate the banks and finanicals everything would be alright. Just goes to prove industries fail to regulate themselves and left without controls run amok. Now as to why Clinton did not veto the bill, you said there was only 8 votes against it and that adds up to more than the 2/3 majority required to override a veto.

      • karel Eekels

        And not to forget to mention Robert Rubin, Secretary of the Treasury, under BJ’ presidency (also a Goldman Sachs pupil), who played a major role here and yes, who also happened to be in the board of Enron!It does not get better!!

      • BH

        I agree with you about Glass-Steagal. It is reasonable to have that kind of high-level restrictions.

        History shows that FDR did NOT lead us out of the depression. His efforts to help actually prolonged the agony. It is the same thing we are doing now — saving bankrupt institutions from going out of business. The GOP arguments against the obviously unconstitutional federal programs of FDR were proven valid.

        “We share the view that Obama has not been a strong president. Had he listened to the Progressive Caucus and pushed for a single payer health care system and gotten us out of laissez-faire market-driven health care, we would all have benefited.”

        We haven’t had a free market in health care for decades. Increasing percentages of the people are under Medicare and Medicaid, and federal and state requirements that insurance must cover this or that (for example, mental health and pregnancy) and cannot cover the other thing has made it less and less free market. Note that the government health care programs increase in cost at greater rates than the private ones. Benefited? In countries with single-payer health care, medical care is, of necessity, rationed. Many die waiting for care.

        The FHA, and the various follow-on organizations and programs to encourage home ownership, have brought us the current housing crisis. The government creates a bubble. Of necessity, all bubbles burst.

        Child labor laws prevent kids from learning about work. That, and the minimum wage. Such restrictions belong on a state level, so that the impacts of different approaches becomes apparent and states will slowly move toward what actually works.

        The Clean Water Act? The problem with water in this country is that it is owned by everyone, and thus no one (an example of “Tragedy of the Commons”). Since the government effectively owns rivers, it is reasonable for it to enforce standards. But more effective than allowing a bureaucracy to decide when to enforce what standards is to allow those downstream to take civil action against those up stream. Fortunately, this was also implemented, and thus America’s waters have improved vastly.

        I agree that Newt Gingrich is simply a power hungry politician.

        I agree that banks cannot be trusted. But a banking system that is empowered to create currency as desired it not a part of capitalism; free market principles lead to hard money, not fiat currency. A banking system with fiat currency is a progressive/liberal policy, not a conservative one. It is actually one of the planks of the Communist Manifesto.

      • patrick H.T. paine

        ” To conquer, first DIVIDE! ”

        Another day in BABEL, distracting from the REALITY. This was left yesterday for Mr. Livingston, but Mr. Ringer is free to respond….

        “In the period between 1982 and 2002, US steel production grew from
        75 million tons to 102 million tons, while the number of steel workers
        declined from 289,000 to 74,000.

        In 2010. manufacturing workers in the united states were producing
        38 percent more output per hour than in 2000. While output has remained fairly stable, employment has declined by more than 32%.”

        These FACTS would seem to suggest that the actual PROBLEM has not been determined…….but maybe you can help clear this up for the rest of us?

        The mantra we are hearing from the “conventional wisdom” crowd is
        “growth”…..but the numbers above are not unique and pretty much apply across the board on anything that can be remotely considered as
        productive. If the survivors of the lastest bubble have learned ANYTHING, it is that they are on their own. The cycle of debt fueling
        mindless consumption is OVER, and it’s not coming back anytime soon.

        The reason for this is that the “bubble” hasn’t really deflated and will not be, until the “imaginary wealth” created by it, is returned from whence it came. Unfortunately, for the housing market, this not only includes the first time “homebuyers” that got sucked into this,
        but all other’s who used the opportunity of rising equity VALUE as a
        “credit card”, and are now faced with paying a mortgage, if they are fortunate enough to be able to, for something that will never be worth
        anything near what the payout is. Much of the rest of these TOXIC ASSETS have been sequestered by the GSE’s and the FED, but the foreclosure process will eventually force this re-evaluation to take place, despite the attempts to delay or disguise this REALITY.

        The effects of this imaginary wealth creation is not restricted to the housing markets, but everything else as well, so the equity markets will also have to give back these gains…..

        Even after this takes place, the problem of growth is still present
        both in the form of the first two examples with which this piece began, and another aspect of our economy whose REALITY is going to
        become more obvious as we proceed. What constitutes actual PRODUCTIVITY that is beneficial to our country?

        On the surface, certain sectors appear both prosperous and promising.

        Government looks to be a growth industry, clearly nice work if you can get it, unfortunately there is no productivity involved and since
        they are largely incompetant and clearly overpaid, what is now considered essential will change. Clearly useless is the Military
        Industrial Complex, which no longer has a legitimate function…we have no enemies, we are not going to be invaded, and if recent history has taught us anything, occupation is expensive and doomed to failure. As for threats by rising economies, like India or China,
        this is illusionary…..at best, this burst of productivity has benefited at best one third of their respective populations, which means that they have and will have serious internal problems as far as the eye can see. As for the middle east, that is a basket case which is self resolving and irrelevant. Israel can fend for itself
        quite nicely, and Islam needs to undergo it’s own reformation…which
        our presence and policy is PREVENTING.

        The health care industry, which includes everything involved with it,
        including big pharma, insurance companies and hospitals doctors and
        nurses, etc. looks poised for a surge……and is another illusion.
        This “industry” is now and has been for some time the leading cause of
        death in the united States. Cutbacks for those who depend on government access as well as the economic reality will deflate this sector….and people will seek alternatives, as many are already.
        Eventually the TRUTH that the basis for western medicine, Germ Theory
        is no longer valid ( if it ever was ) will take hold.

        Then we have “education”…….whose value in the united States is as
        imaginary as the recent wealth creation…….it’s structure reflects
        the mirror image of the hierarchical economy is was designed to serve
        and since it is this economy which is on the verge of collapse, the system of education supporting it, will follow in turn.

        If you think unemployment is a problem NOW, wait until people start
        evaluating those who still have jobs based on “positive or beneficial contribution” to society in general…….

        “Do not ask for whom the bell tolls……….”

    • Old Henry

      “[what's-his-name in the White House]”

      Yes s c, what IS his name? Millions of us would like to know at least that much about that floating scum…

    • Aix Sponsa

      We should never underestimate the ignorance of the American voter. Bob Livingston

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