So, DaveH,I suppose if it was your daughter, you would have asked the older man by a few years to have Sunday dinner with the family?

If the man was 19 and the girl was 17, the man would be guilty of a “sex offense”. Is that a good idea?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-07-24-teen-sex-offenders_N.htm
Bill, in the past it was common for 13 year olds to get married. Some time around the late 1800s most states set the age of consent at around 12 years old. Our so-called “permissive” society is actually much more suppressed than those of the past.
Consensual Sex is a perfectly natural thing which has been perverted by many religions to be a matter of Morality. Sex does definitely carry many risks, not the least of which is unwanted children. And that is how it should be treated. We should warn our children about the dangers and avoid making it a matter of stigma like so many parents do. The hangovers from such stigmatization are often manifested in a negative way in those children’s future relationships, often damaging them irreparably.
To answer your question about my daughter, I let her determine her own future with no judgement on my part about her personal choices. At age 16 she had come to me as damaged goods from a Domineering Mom and Step Dad. I established one simple rule — If she screwed up, she had to pay for her own mistakes. She made plenty, but unlike other kids she had nobody to rebel against, so she learned quickly from her mistakes. She now is about as well-adjusted a human being as I’ve ever known.

Daveh, Male 19 and Female 17 huh?___Good Lord I’ve been with my Old man since I was 15, he was 18!__ I’ll bet he didn’t know he was breaking the Law!!!!lol!

I had similar experience. I was 17 and she was 15.
Looking around the Internet, I ran across this list of consent ages by states:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America

I also ran across this attempt by some busybodies to get the Federal Government involved in yet-another Unconstitutional Law:
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/raising-age-of-consensual-sex-back-to-18-in-all-states.html

DaveH, What I can’t believe is the stupidity of some of these men and Women!_Screwing around on the Internet!__They get caught in these kind of stings All the Time!__Kids look, act, AND LIE about they’re age, all the time on the Internet today, If a man 45 is stupid enough to go after a teenager, without first checking into names, dates and backgrounds, he deserves everything he gets!__Same for a Woman!

Dave – Raising the age of consent won’t help. What helps is proper upbringing and sex education. This woman has a big job ahead of her, since much of the whole world uses 16 as the age of consent.

In Mexico, the age of consent is 12 years.

Jdubya, I look at it this way, apparently, this looks as if this was well known for a lonnng time, they’re all guilty as far as I’m concerned. Sadusky for doing the crime and the rest for not stepping up to the plate with what they knew!___BOTTOM LINE!__ TRUE, I think they threw JoePa & Spanier under the bus, so the media would focus on them and not the school. I also originally thought, when this was first this brought out as a way to get rid of JOePa. Why else would it have been brought out now?__ It will ALL come out in the trial,__ what we are discussing here is all thought and opinion and speculation!

I have since read the grand jury report. Correction to my comments above: the reference 1998 to 2000 should have been 2002. Joe Paterno’s involvement was in the 2002 incident. Sandusky was not his employee at the time. The 1998 incident was reported and investigated by police and resulted in strained relationship between Paterno and Sandusky according to Sandusky although Sandusky was allowed to retire with continued access to the facilities. The inappropriate behavior was reported to the other group Sandusky was still actively involved with (the second mile). Inexplicably, the 1998 allegations did not result in any charges or changes except that Sandusky was allowed to retire in 1999 and was enjoined from bringing children to the Penn State facilities. I don’t believe these corrections affect the validity of the points I made. The failure on the part of the University to realize the seriousness of the 2002 allegations and to then attempt to cover them up should result in the prosecution of only those involved. Except for the media’s character assassination of Paterno, it looks to me like justice is otherwise being served.

I do not now what the manual says at Penn State, but in every organization in which I have involved, the training is to pass along child abuse reports up the chain of command. There are several reasons for this, including getting the info to the right law enforcement agency, comprehensive evaluation of reports, and seeing patterns of false accusations. In my youth work, I have received over a half-dozen reports of sexual abuse, and all of them turned out to be false. (Better to get a false one than to let a true one go unreported, but remember the procedure should recognize the possibility of false reports.)
Most people seem to be unaware that the accused did not work for Paterno, so Paterno’s actions make even more sense. Yet, if the reports to Paterno and his superiors were as graphic as in the grand jury testimony, then somebody — especially Mike McQueary — should have followed up on why no action had been taken.

Ronbo: According to what I read in the CNN reporting on the grand jury testimony, Paterno did not witness the alleged crime, McQueary did. And what McQueary witnessed was some sounds that sounded like sexual activity and subsequently he saw Sandusky and the victim both naked in the shower room. He did not see an actual sex act. He called his father, not the police (a 28-year old didn’t call the police in a situation like this? Must have been his secular upbringing?) – but with his father went to see Paterno. Had McQueary called the police and demanded that Sandusky stay there with the boy, he might have had a chance to bring Sandusky to justice – but he left them after they saw him. The next day after receiving this report, Paterno called his superiors to initiate an investigation. Only by the wildest stretch could this be considered improper action on Paterno’s part in view of McQueary’s actions or lack thereof. McQueary had the opportunity, but did nothing other than report. So at that point it is up to the University. Apparently, they got the police involved, not only the campus police, but local police because there was a DA involved, who was later killed in an accident of some kind – Universities do not have DAs. So as far as anyone can tell, everything was handled ‘by-the-book’ (maybe the book needs to be changed). Anyway, the police did not find anything that they could prove – probably due to McQueary’s failure to call police. Paterno cannot be held to account for McQueary’s failure. Sandusky was forced to resign in 1999. There were two questionable things, the other groups that Sandusky participated in were not warned of his inappropriate behavior and he was allowed to continue to use the facilities of Penn State until Paterno apparently took away his keys in 2000. I see nothing in this testimony that suggests that Paterno failed to do what he should have. His statements about wishing he had done more are based on his hindsight. The University’s dismissal of him was wrong, but within their rights. I hope he sues them for defamation of character because I think he will win unless the jury pool is full of people like you who don’t pay attention to the facts. Now years later, the grand jury is provided with all of this material – why now? Why did it take so long? It seems rather obvious that Sandusky was being protected, but it is also rather clear that it was not Joe Paterno doing the protecting.

I have since read the grand jury report. Correction to my comments above: both references to 2000 should have been 2002. Joe Paterno’s involvement was in the 2002 incident. Sandusky was not his employee at the time. The 1998 incident was reported and investigated by police and resulted in strained relationship between Paterno and Sandusky according to Sandusky although Sandusky was allowed to retire with continued access to the facilities. The inappropriate behavior was reported to the other group Sandusky was still actively involved with (the second mile). Inexplicably, the 1998 allegations did not result in any charges or changes except that Sandusky was allowed to retire in 1999 and was enjoined from bringing children to the Penn State facilities. I don’t believe these corrections affect the validity of the points I made.

Very Good Points!

If you knew of someone molesting children and received such a memo, would you do nothing? I would do whatever was necessary to protect the children and deal with the consequences later.

Oh poor, poor Joe. He knew of an ongoing crime against children and he did what? He allowed it to continue. Poor Joe thought kids deserved to be sexually molested and raped? Sick Joe and sick people who don’t hold citizens responsible.

Your comments are totally unfounded. There is absolutely no evidence that Joe Paterno knew of any ongoing beghavior by Sandusky. The District Attorney said that Joe was not a focus of their investigation. The only knowledge that Paterno so far as been linked to was report by now assistant coach whose testimony is in question. he now claims that he reported the incident to police and stopped Sandusky from continuing to rape the boy. Yet all police agencies have said they hve nothing on file regarding a report of the incident. Please stick to the facts and not gulit by assumption.

There is a desert at an ice cream shop next to campus that serves a “Sandusy” which is two scoops of ice cream under a cone. Seems it was public knowledge.

Yep Gerd, Rush Limbaugh stated that, and a transcript of what he said is on his site!

wandamurline…. Joe might have done what was required of him, but it still appears that office politics was in play here. The athletic department appears to have a good ole boy network. What Paterno failed to ‘get’ is those in power are more accountable. Turning a blind eye and not going that extra mile to make sure that the issue was taken care of was his downfall. Maybe if it was one of his grandchildren he would have been more likely to pursue an end to this horrible mess. He made the decision not to ripple the waters, and has paid a huge price for it.

You said it correctly, Robin

Doc Sarvis, Gays Rights, may not have anything directly to do with paedophiles, but the exceptance of Gay Rights, and the legality of same sex love, opens the door to further perversions, where will it end??…What next the legality of Beastiality???

The rights to have sex – both homosexual AND heterosexual are between consenting adults. Perversion and predation for BOTH homosexul AND heterosexual sex acts are when it is imposed on unwilling/underage beings. Pretty simple really.

How come, Doc, you recognize the rights of consenting adults to sex, yet care nothing about whether or not those same adults have the right to choose Healthcare Insurance, or many other personal choices that Liberals advocate forcing upon people?

Daveh, Great question!!!!

Nobody is stopping you from getting health insurance!

doc ,when two males have sex it’s called sodomy and sodomy is illeagle in this country

Alex, you are dating yourself. Sodomy used to be illegal in many states years ago, and sodomy has many variations so be careful if your state still has laws against sodomy.

This was a homosexual act by someone that just lowered the age of consent to justify his actions. He never attacked any females, just the males.

Come on Doc, the libtard organization, the Aemrican Psychiatric Association that has told us for a decade now that homosexuals are normal is now telling us pedophiles are getting a bad rap and sex with children is not always harmful to the child. Look it up. Libs continue to dumb deviancy down. Animals next, incest after that.

You are attempting to impose your personal, subjective standards on the rest of us. And you contradict God in the process. Some of us suspect that He is a good deal smarter than all of us put together.
Why don’t you?

To Doc:
Right on!! This isn’t about sexual preference but about deviant behavior where an adult force himself on a minor, especially, an elementary school kid. Sick!! Thanks again for your assessment.

Doc.. You are smarter than that! The question is not the ABILITY to purchase, but the REQUIREMENT to purchase! You just dodged the issue by proposing a red herring.

DS, its not simple for the child victims who are suppose to be able to trust an adult, just sayin….

Are you really that Ignorant, Doc? Nobody is stopping me from buying Health Insurance, but they certainly are trying to Force me to buy it. That’s the choice I’m talking about.

Doc. that is not what GOD’S WORD says. You may not believe in GOD’S WORD but that does not make it any less true. If you have never read it, you would gain a lot, by getting one and reading it. You will be surprised at what you find there.

Well Doc, God Almighty created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

Homosexual sex is deviancy and an abomination to God. Any society that condones such deviancy will be destroyed by God.

Look around Doc. God is getting warmed up right here in our country. He is attempting to get our attention just as He attempted to get the attention of the Israelites. He seems to be having the same success now as then.

Perhaps we should amend the lsit to underage, unwilling, or incompetent, either temporarily or permanently. Consult Jimmy Stewart’s admirable line in ‘High Society,’ “But, you were rather the worse for wear from wine …. and there are rules abouthsuch things”

Old Henrey, God created us all.

It is time people stop Judgement no , I do not support the lifestyle
but what proof that this individual is an Homosexual.
Deviants come in all sexual orientation.
The individual who witnessed the incident and fail to report it to the police is just as culpable. I would not call telling security or telling the coach responsible. Just blaming Jo is ridiculous
I am sure other faculty members were aware

” just as culpable ” Distinctions must be made. Surely

not just as culpable?

I am not codoning the behaviour but to blame homosexuals
is a very narrow vies as a lot of these people are not homosexuals
this behaviour is not new it is just being brought out into the light
a lot of sexual molestation being brought to light occured years ago.
People chose not to speak of it why do you think chilren were sent away. a girl got pregnant she was sent to the convent molestation has nothing to do with sexuality it has to do with Power and deviant behaviour. Why not do something in out community Just writing and judging serves no purpose/

Valerie,

I’m interrested in your suggestions as to what to do about these people! I hope you have something substantive in mind ! Something that really works. It seems to me we already have such things in place when the pedophile is convicted, what is missing in this whole thing is the lack of reporting by people like you and me so these people can be brought to trial and delt with. That is the thing in this case that failed was not reporting it to the police and actually stopping the action at that moment ! I have no doubt he was guilty because he was witnessed in the act! How much more weight that would have carried if reported in the moment of the act ! Too many wishy washy people that don’t want to get involved so they tell someone else and leave it up to them. They think they can justify their own behavior that way ! Not good enough. The break down in this whole thing was not reporting it immediately to the police !

DITTO! DITTO! DITTO! AND DITTO!

Really? I used to work part time in the sex offenders program at Steilacoom, WA. ALL were gay and all abused children at one time or another and believe it to be fairly normal behavior. I don’t believe in the time I worked there one single sex offender was ever cured…..

meteorlady,
You are so right. In all the research I have done I have come to the same conclusion. These people are never cured ! There are always signs but people never accept them as truth. They don’t want to see the truth for whatever reason. This is rampent in our society and in my opinion-is due to the constant insistance of devient homosexual behavior ! It starts there as coming out of the closet and paves the way for every other kind of vile behavior there is! If you accept it in one instance you will eventually accept it in another. It is time to clean this mess up ! Call it what it is. Disgusting devient behavior in all forms ! The only one that can change it is the person themselves and they have to want to which they don’t ! So the next best thing is to lock them up !

When you here about pedophiles it is usually homosexuals molesting boys. 69% of homosexuals say they were introduced to the lifestyle by a older person. All I have to say is that it wasn’t your fault when you were raped as a child so stop the cycle and get help. The reason most homos get so irate when you question there ways is because they are hiding great hurt from their childhood. They are hurt little boys that have to justify their life by making it ok in their mind so that it doesn’t tear them up. It does though through drug abuse and abusive behavior because they know they are wrong.

You are talking to a wall and expecting it to answer back.
This guy is thick as a brick and doesnt care for your opining.

I think they should fire everyone in the Universities and start over with folks with a little less sentiment for Marxism,dont you?
Freakin’clean house.
There are those out there who think keeping people stupid is the equivalent of higher education.
They currently run our Universities and Public Education.
Revisionists have stolen our youths imaginations and replaced them with tales of utter blind indecency.

All in the name of Progression.
It should be called,Revisionist Regression.
We have been hijacked,and skyjacked, and circle jerked into accepting ways of thinking which are patently designed to make us falter in the worldly system which is being foisted upon us.
How to make a once proud superpower look inept?
Let communists and radicals run your academia.
Yes folks…it happened when you let them convince you that Joe McCarthy was crazy.
Now you have this mess you cannot rid yourself of without enormous bloodshed and another civil war.

Your streets are stained with urine and fecal matter from trash that comes from political dissidence of foreign origins.
And right here at home you have a gubment which wants to enslave you all into a new system straight from the place you left to come here from,Europe,so you can be just like them.
Who’d have thunk it?
That you’d be trying to go back to that same old place you left all those centuries ago?
Monumental stupidity is at your doorstep,and you are letting them invade your house.
Wake up and smell the fava beans and Chianti,before its too late America.
-CC.

Praise God for all your wise words, my friend ! You have hit the nail on the head but saddly there won’t be many out there taking heed ! We are crying in the wind ! God Bless you Cawmun Cents.

Right on! And sexual molestation IS all about sex- period. That is why the sexual modality for the molestation is chosen- because it is sexually stimulating for the perpetrator. My experience is limited to nine years of leading therapy groups for convicted sex criminals in a bib city setting.Sexual stimulation is almost always the bottomline motivation; though other perceived benefits may also factor in.
And, it really doesn’t matter WHY the act was committed. There are two questions: How do we fix what has been broken? And, How do we prevent recidivism?
The answers are many and varied, and mostly wrong.

First, the victim will never be completely healed. Second, in the OT, God had sex offenders executed. The necessary result was zero recidivism. In the NT offenders are to be converted; or punished according to a just State. Throughout our 57 states(I got that from the Highest Authority) we have no consistent methodology for processing homosexual behavior- except, increasingly, and wrongly, to tolerate, condone, even practice such.

HaNasi – Girls are molested at three times the rate that boys are. Most molestations occur at the hands of the child’s father, stepfather, or other family relative. Sexuality has nothing to do with it.

Not exactly. 90% of the children molested by priests of the Catholic church were boys.

Not true. It has been found that about 80% of convicted paedophiles are homosexual, so in general it comes from a homosexual way of thinking. AND this man only attacked male children. That appears to be to me a ‘homosexual paedophile’.
It doesn’t matter how much the media try to persuade the general public that homosexuality is ‘normal’ it is not and no one can make us believe anything different. Just wait and watch how quickly the society will slide down into a ‘hole’ of perversion after calling homosexuality ‘normal’.

Amen Lisa !

Ronbo, did you read: *”meteorlady says:
November 18, 2011 at 2:56 pm”?
I’ve heard similar reports, but publicizing these things is not Politically Correct – so these facts rarely reach you through the main stream media.
Have you heard of the infamous ice-cream dessert at a local Penn State restaurant, called the Sandusky? According to Mark Belling (Talk Show), this dessert was on the restaurant menu for years (just removed recently for some reason). It consisted of two scoops of ice cream with a cone sticking up next to them, made to resemble male genitalia. So, evidently the whole community knew this Sandusky guy was some kind of sexual deviant.
Now we find out that Sandusky was gay, but we don’t find this bit of info anywhere in the main stream media!
Here’s my guess on the sequence of events at Penn State: The Sandusky incident is reported to Joe P.. He’s heard variations of Sandusky exploits for years. Joe P., along with the whole organization has been desensitized to Sandusky’s sexual dealings. On top of this it’s common knowledge that Sandusky is homosexual, that makes him a “protected class”, and it’s not Politically Correct to say anything against any of his exploits. After the rest of the world hears about Sandusky sodomizing a boy – the excrement hits the fan. I’m thinking at that point an honorable man steps forward and says “the buck stops here” fire me.
The gay lobby has been slowly creeping and pushing its life style into the American main stream for the last 40 or 50 years. We are now accepting gays in every walk of life. We are living in modern Sodom and Gomorrah!
I reluctantly go along with firing Joe P.. I would also fire the whole Penn State faculty, maybe the local authorities too. It appears they all knew what kind of deviant sexual behavior was going on, but never looked into it. It just wasn’t P.C..

Steve

* meteorlady says: November 18, 2011 at 2:56 pm: Really? I used to work part time in the sex offenders program at Steilacoom, WA. ALL were gay and all abused children at one time or another and believe it to be fairly normal behavior. I don’t believe in the time I worked there one single sex offender was ever cured…..

I think you have pretty much figured it out ! That is why I said earlier that in time the older people would one day make this a part of their conversation as to remember when, and yeah everyone kew he was a sickO and so on. People knew and have known for a very long time, they have just tollerated Sandusky and allowed this pervert to destroy the lives of many young boys ! It is sickening, and they are all responsible !

There is a passage in the Bible that says the sins of the father are passed on to the third and fourth generation. Most people don’t take the time to figure out what is being told to them. When you have a sin such as this it effects the person to the point that even down to the third and forth generation it’s effects are still being passed on. This mess has to be purged from the very person involved and weas people must never impose these actions on another human being because it destroyes not build up! When you effect a child it is embedded in their very being and because it is abnormal they can’t deal with what it does and how it effects their body and their mind. They then must find a way to deal with this the rest of their lives. The brain of a child is constantly forming and learning quite like a computer, but unlike a computer you can’t use a delete button and what went in will crop back up at the least oportune times and can very well become permanent. How helpless the child was and felt at the time this was happenig to them is what will dictate as to how they can handle it in the adult life ! Think about it, to the third and forth generation !

The words ‘almost always’ are a … terminological inexactitude

What is perhaps true is that the offenders are almost always

men, but even that is an exagerration

Of course he wishes he had done more. Did he know what else to do? This was 1998. The scandal did not yet rock the Catholic Church, which, by the way, knew about pedophiles in their midst for at least 15 years prior. People did not know what else to do. A head coach was paid to coach football. He is not the AD, and he doesn’t control everything that goes on in an athletic program.
It’s 2011, and I have learned to spot possible child sexual abuse; I teach those skills to others. But I guarantee it was an eye-opener for me. One day, people will rethink what happened to JoePa. I consider this his purgatory on earth, and a way to develop humility.

Regina,

Sorry but the head coach is paid to know everything going on in his dept. at all times, and it seems he did but didn’t do much of anything about it ! Pedophiles are found everywhere, and unfortunately they are rampent in our school and college systems, even though we would like to not think about that and we are now realizing that they are not just men but also women. Either way the innocent childhood of our children is being stolen from them. They are unprotected and we are to blame for not being tuff enough on those who take their innocence from them and destroy the mental well being of the children we so love and entrust to others. I don’t know about you but as for me if it was one of my children the men involved would be wishing they had never been born. I’m all for putting them in stocks in public and let the world mock them and ridicule them, and that would only be the beginning !

Regina,

Sorry but the head coach is paid to know everything going on in his dept. at all times, and it seems he did but didn’t do much of anything about it ! Pedophiles are found everywhere, and unfortunately they are rampent in our school and college systems, even though we would like to not think about that and we are now realizing that they are not just men but also women. Either way the innocent childhood of our children is being stolen from them. They are unprotected and we are to blame for not being tuff enough on those who take their innocence from them and destroy the mental well being of the children we so love and entrust to others. I don’t know about you but as for me if it was one of my children the men involved would be wishing they had never been born.

Regina, I do not agree with what is being said and judgement. JoePa did not witness the act. JoePa was told by a single individual what took place without the benefit of a second eye witness. JoePA did report the Heresay to a superior in the college. This is why JoePa is NOT charged with any crime. JoePa’s supperior should have taken the next step to take the information up top at the Penn State wherein the university police would start an investigation and so on. If JoePa went directly to the state police and the accusations were unfounded JoePa would have been in a world of trouble, slander and defamation of character. That is a problem with Heresay from a single witness. The Bible states that it takes two or more witness’. Our Laws state that one is innocent until proven guilty. In my opinion JoePa should not have been fired as I believe he did meet the letter of the law in reporting it to his superior.

It is such a shame that responsible people will not follow through when these thing are reported. There is no legitimate excuse for it. The child should have been questioned, the abuser should have questioned and they may have been but it should not have stopped there. The man should have been watched and noticed if there were improper action or words or even looks going on. Every little thing should have been investigated. Nothing should have been unnoticed. The quality of children’s lives are at stake.

I think it is a mistake to assume Joe didn’t know the whole story. His admission that he should have done more scares me.
This inplies he le let some things go by the way without considering the evil of what had happen. I caan’t imagine anyone knowin or even suspecting that this type of act going on and not doing as much as he could to stop it, and to make those responcible pay.
the good that might come from this is anyone else that is out there that knows of somone in their organization who is involved in such horrible acts might think twice before ignoring it. I am sorry for you Joe but this is like you called the wrong play and now you have to pay for your decision. We deserve people that can make better decisions when they are in high places where abuse can take place.

Sorry to dissagree but there were two witness’s There was the guy that took it to Joe and then there was the victim ! Only problem , the victim didn’t get a chance to make his claim because Joe and the guy doing the reporting took it to the wrong athorities ! Joe had to trust the claims of the witness or he would have never passed the complaint on to anyone. The child in question was in a place he should have never been in the first place, but got there only through the creep sodomizing him. A man that to the public eye was a wonderful caring person, only looking out for the welfare of the children ! Right ! People we constantly focus our attention in the wrong areas and on the wrong things all the time ! Joe focused on his team and winning games ! Everything else around him was left to the judgment of his co-workers and assistances. The focus was so intent on winning that it dismissed as secondary the welfare of a child that should never have been where he was in the first place. BIG RED FLAG people ! Then upon hearing of the activity and behavior of the adult involved, he was made to question and then push the responsibility off on someone else ! Good case of NOT MY JOB MAN ! As for people being afraid they will be sued for false witness ! BUNK ! Not in casses like this. A witness made an honest report and it is not held to redress unless it was malicious and that would be hard to prove. Beside’s if the police had been involved they would have discovered this complaint had been made before and again no-one acted on it ! Now there are how many more complaints comming to light? These kinds of people are surrounded with all kinds of signs that no-one takes serious ! Wake up people and start looking for the signs ! Unfortunately they are all around you, you just choose not to see them. Once it hits home you will see it everywhaere ! The one thing these people can’t stand is to be watched. What they do they must do in private where there are no seeing eyes ! Start being the eyes that see all the time. Watch for out of the ordinary behavior. Not only in the person in question but also in the children he surrounds himself with. There are signs, look for them and hold all these people to a higher standard always ! No excuses !

The witness and the child involved said he did ! Who do you trust ?

None of them. That’s why we need thorough jury trials before convicting somebody.
I was listening to a radio talk show once and the host had asked people to call in about their molestation experiences. The host was expecting a lot of calls from victims, but instead he got lots of calls from the accused. Several of the callers related their suffering (lost jobs, humiliation, etc.) as a result of being falsely accused of molestation. Most of them were eventually exonerated by children (almost always their own) who ultimately (after the damage was done) admitted that they were mad at the accused for one reason or the other and launched the accusation thinking it would be a way to get revenge. Of course, children have no clue whatsoever of the damage they do to the accused adult.
And the authorities, as many of us already know, are eager to prosecute such cases, and sometimes stoop to pretty low levels to achieve their goals.
Here is a story about a famous California case which should give the readers a clue as to the dangers involved with overly zealous prosecutors:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial

Note that I say none of the above in an attempt to exonerate those who are actually guilty.

You can not legislate morality.. Period!!

All laws “legislate morality”; that precisely what a law does. What you want to say is,”People cannot be forced to behave properly”, or some such.
True. But they can be made to wish they had. Thats how God handles it. Perhaps we should follow His example?
No one despises homosexual conduct more than I. But most americans have been conditioned to tolerate it; even condone it. And thats crazy. If it is criminal to molest a boy 17 years,11 months and 29 days old, how does it become acceptable to molest him 1 day later?
The act itself is either good or bad.The Bible tells us that the Act, inside marriage is good and the Act, outside marriage, is bad.

But we are smarter than God, so we changed the rules. And look what happened. Ain’t we, Oprah, Shirley, et al, really great?!

You know what? We have all kinds of laws civil and religious but that doesn’t stop any of the abuse ! My guess is when it was reported in the begining the powers that be didn’t want the scandle so it was brushed aside. The major thought here was not for the children where it should have been it was self centered ! Seems that all the acolades for the school and her God like coaches were just to important to set aside to protect innocent children ! To know what was going on and still interact with a pedophile, on a daily basis is not only disgusting it is unthinkable ! Coach Joe Pa must be the most self centered person in the world to recieve gladly all the praises and accolades over the years and knowing in the back of his mind that there was a dirty little secret going on , and one that he could have stopped and didn’t. How can you claim to care about kids and their future all the while you are allowing the destruction of the life and future of other children just by turning your head ? That man does not get a free pass nor does anyone in authority in that college that had knowledge of this practice ! Is the life of one child count for more than another just because they play on the team of the mighty Joe Pa? I think not. How many of us out here would justify the actions of these men if it were one of our children involved? I have 5 sons and at one time while they were growing up there was a man moved into our neighborhood that seemed to have an unusual interrest in little boys and girls. It was brought to my attention that an advancemet had been made to one of my boys, and the war was on, and it was a war I was not going to loose ! I reported it to the police but they could not do anything untill there had been a physical advance made, so I decided the best way to handel this was for the police to inform the man that he was to have no contact with any of the children in the neighborhood, and then I went door to door and informed all the neighbors,what had gone on and that he was tohave no contact with any of the children in the neighborhood and he was also informed that every neighbor would be watching every move he made and one step that even looked out of line he would pay the price. Things went along just fine for a couple weeks and then one day they moved ! I guess they couldn’t take the heat ! Problem was now he was in another unsuspecting neighborhood where he wasn’t known; but as life will have it when you really do take the welfare of the children to heart, I found out by accident where they were and again notified all their neighbors again ! The final straw happened when my friend decided to take in foster children and asked me to go with her to a meeting one evening. She didn’t want to go alone at night! I went and guess who was there? Yep ! They guy and his wife. They were wanting to take in foster children ! They saw me there and got real nervous ! I took the two people in charge aside and told them the story and the people involved and they agreed to handle it ! I never said anything openly at the meeting but this guy was so nervous that he openly made a fool of himself and gave rise to his true self. They were denied a license to care for foster children. Now had the coach made the right decission at the very begining he would have drawn more praise and accolades to himself and also saved many children from the humiliation and brutilization from a bully that has now effected them into their adult lives. No I don’t think any of these people involved get a free pass, especially the college itself. We send our kids to little league football and baseball, and soccer etc. to help develope their carecter and their sence of sportsmanship, and some sick”O” is tearing them down and intimidating them to not tell anyone what is going on. When discovered by another adult they get protected and the childs welfare is shoved aside so the school or the team or the coach doesn’t get marred by the publicity. I say wipe out all traces of this pedophile and the coach and the rest of those who knew about it so there is no chance of this being swept under the rug again and the false accolades for some man or coach doesn’t cover over all the sick crap that happened durring this time. For this coach to be smothered in accolades while all the time he did nothing to help these innocent children is simply sickening ! Don’t give me this stuff about being inocent until proven guilty. Are you going to add insult to injury by not believing the innocent children and call them liars over all the accusations from multiple sources ? Not me. This guy is guilty until he proves to me he is not. Especially after knowing that all these people knew about him in the first place. Is there some sick sense of funny , remember when talk, that this guy is going to be brought up in conversation years down the road and someone will say to someone else,”ya, you know that sick bastard was a pedophile for years. Everyone knew he liked little boys but no-one ever did anything about it ! What great conversation that would be ! Not one single one of them get’s a free pass for any reason ! If we don’t start holding these people to a higher standard, that are entrusted with the lives and well being of our children we ourselves will be delt with one day. It is time to insist on higher moral values from everyone, from the White House to the Out House ! That encludes women too. They don’t get a free pass either ! They also show no morals or self respect in public or in schools dealing with our children. It’s long passed time to lay down the law ! Better still just enforce the laws that do already exist !

grannie mae: what in the world is an advancement? You don’t describe what it was that your neighbor saw, so how do you know this guy was bad? Seems like a little more info is needed as to the type of activity the man was portrayed as engaging in before you would make such an accusation. Is it possible that his wife was after him to adopt a child and he just didn’t know if he could deal with someone else’s child and tried to find out? Do you understand how easy it is to sully someone’s reputation due to one innocent act and a little gossip? I understand your desire to protect the children, but the info you gave does not seem to warrant the action you took – so I assume what he did was very much out of line.

grannie mae: one more thing. You have very few of the facts right. Paterno was not the supervisor of Sandusky in 2002 when the apparent rape occurred. The witness to the rape or molestation, McQueary, had no business taking the report to Paterno except that his father knew Paterno. When Paterno arranged a meeting with his supervisor, Curley, the second day after the attack and one day after he was notified of it, it was already too late to stop the attack (McQueary might have been able to, but chose not to do so). There had been one previous report of impropriety with a young boy by Sandusky in 1998 although he had apparently been doing so for several years before that using his foster home as part of “The Second Mile”. None of this was known to Paterno, did you know about it? All of the testimony that Paterno could give was that of McQueary. He got Curley and McQueary together to start the inquiry. Curley and Schultz decided that there was nothing to it after talking with McQueary later without Paterno’s presence. Paterno was not a party to the actions of the University that covered this crime up. The previous reported incident was in 1998. It was brought apparently by the parent of one of the kids who said he had been showering with Sandusky. The police and child protective services decided that all they needed was Sandusky’s promise to not do it again. The University told Sandusky to not bring children to their facilities anymore. Paterno apparently gave Sandusky a bunch of grief (according to Sandusky) because he negotiated and took a retirement package in 1999. The net is that the grand jury testimony clearly indicates no failure on the part of Paterno, but the University board, to their discredit, dumped him anyway. His good name was taken from him by a bunch of wet-behind-the-ears so-called reporters that were unable to get the story right out of the grand jury report – probably intentionally. McQueary messed up in not trying to stop the attack when he saw it, Curley and Schultz messed up when they refused to go after Sandusky who was being protected by someone and the University top gun Spanier screwed up when he listened to these guys – perhaps he was the one who was protecting Sandusky – whatever the case, Paterno was apparently not the one at fault here and was maliciously maligned for his efforts.

What, exactly, does homosexuality have to do with this? This isn’t about sexual orientation–homo or hetero; this is about RAPE! Period! And rape is most definately NOT about SEX–it’s about POWER and forcing your will on someone weaker than you. And it doesn’t matter is if some old perv like Jerry Sandusy sodomizing a te-year-old boy in the shower at Penn St. University or some skinny seak con getting gang-rapred in a shower at a state penitentiary–it’s RAPE! It’s the strong preying on the weak simply because THEY CAN–and sex and whether you’re gay or straight doesn’t have a damn thing to do with it.

Is rape the charge? ~ I have not read the whole thread yet, working my way down.

My question is; what is young boys of 10 doing in a college locker room?

and to answer yours question Chip,”Should Joe Paterno Have Been Fired?”

I just don’t know, what is his guilt?

If Joe knew that he had a sexual predator on his staff, did he do all that he could do to correct an obvious problem? I’d have to say “No!” But Until these questions are answered, I feel compelled to withhold judgment, while bearing in mind I don’t carry a huge burden and the responsibility of running an institution. It’s my guess is there more to this and will unfold later that will support Joe’s firing .

JDubya,
As for the incident that I went after, I did not lay out all the little details for everyone on here to read because they are sick enough to live through once without having to try to explain them over again. It happened to my child and another neighborhood child. I told that the interrest this man had was unusual not in the norm ! Flag number one ! Flag number two, Neighbor children being over heard telling each other about several incidences they witnessed and ran from, neighbor woman coming to my house to tell me what her little girl told her happened and then my confronting my son as to what happened to him and he telling me ! I will not go into details but I will tell you this, the only reason the police could not arrest this guy was because he had not nad the opportunity to penatrate my son, because my son got away from him and ran ! Now when I was confronted with all this information coming from several sources at each telling the same story, I took action and I will again if I ever had too. This guy was not looking for adoption at that foster child meeting. This guy was nuts ! He already had a child that died at his own hands, but was attributed to an accident ! His own words to another neighbor that worked with him at the time was he threw his 22 month old little boy into a swimming pool to teach him how to swim but instead he drowned !!! No this guy was sick ! He use to stand in the middle of the street and yell over to my house that I had no right to keep the children from him ! Like H–l you say ! His wife was also mentally off and would say she trusted him with all little children when she was away working! I won’t go into details as to why or how we knew she was retarded but trust me she was. Oh and one more thing; for the information of any of you out here that have small children and you take them to baby sitters and at first the child was fine going to the sitter, but then all of a sudden that child cries everytime you pull into the driveway or when you go to leave or put them down ! You get another babysitter ! This is from experience ! Something is not right and the only way your child has to get you to take notice is to pitch a fit or cry or even to spit ! Do not make the mistake in thinking the child is just wanting to be with mommy or daddy and doesn’t want them to go ! That is not the case, take notice of the behavior and switch sitters immediately ! I trust the actions of a child over the protests of any adult, anytime. Been there done that , and will never do that again.!!!
My next door neighbor was taking her little girl to this same guy after he had moved, and that is how I found out where he had moved too. At first the little girl was fine and then she began to cry every time mommy pulled into the driveway of their house. Then she didn’t want to go in and then she screamed and clung to mommy and didn’t want her to leave her. This is the sign of a child in stress. Mommy didn’t want to believe me at first when I told her what was going on and just dismissed the behavior to the little girl being spoiled; then one day while changing her diaper she noticed some blood and redness in the diaper area ! I will leave the rest to your imagination ! You don’t ever dismiss your little ones behavior on anything. The next time you see them they could be in a body bag ! And since you seem to know so much about this deal with the coach and all, suppose you tell me why the college would jump to fireing him immediately when he is their ICON ! They would protect him at all costs if they could. He did not do enough in this case and he even said so himself. No-oe involved in this whole situation did enough nor did they do the right thing ! The police should have been called immediately. If what was wittnessed was enough to raise concern at the time it should have been reported to the police that night ! My concern is not with the adults in this case. It is with the innocent children. If you think a full grown man fooling around in the shower with a 10 or 11 year old child is appropriate behavior then you need an attitude adjustment ! It is not propre behavior at anytime by anyone ! Sorry but none of them gets a free pass in my book now or ever. These people are entrusted with the lives and welfare of our children and must be held to a higher standard ! Put yourself in the place of the child involved and then tell me how you would feel !

HE SHOULD have knpwen
Someting was wrong wrong.

Tiger, First of all I am not homosexual or a pedophile. What Sandusky did was not homosexual. He is a Pedophile which means he engages in sex with children which is as despicable as a human being can get. Pedophiles are heterosexual and have normal sex with the opposite sex.

The only laws we need are laid out in the Five Books of Moses by Gad Almighty in His Holy Bible.

What about the Koran, the Book of Mormon, the teachings of Buddha, Confucius, etc. Why do you think you have a lock on religion…idiot?

If you want the complete TRUTH THE COMPLETE UNADULTERATED TRUTH, you can find it in GOD’S WORD, THE BIBLE. You will find all of GOD’S laws,you will find vast amounts of history, you will find all you need to know about your health, it tell of the greatest love that has ever existed, how to live forever,etc, etc. If you haven’t tried it, buy one and read it, you won’t be disappointed if you are looking for the truth.

Thank you Evermyrtle. I’m glad I read your post before replying to Rick.

The bible is a work of fiction that is responsible for countless millions of deaths in Europe during the past 1,700 years. The book should be banned and burned. Christians don’t really understand that the book promotes EVIL on a grand scale. They simply don’t have the smarts to comprehend the book, as most of them are of very low I.Q.

Well it’s not all fiction Erik but the rest of your posting is pretty accurate.

The witch doctor got a hold of it and found it useful for compliance and cash.

You’re right we can’t legislate morality, that’s why we have laws to protect youth from this sort of thing, until they’re old enought to make their own desions. Because of a corrupt government and education system we have been programed to accept this type of behavior. Maybe this is why Coach JoPa did nothing. Well liberial news media, government and eductaion, take a good look, are you proud of yourselves?

How have the media, the government, or the education system condoned pedophilia? There are laws that punish child molesters and children are taught in elementary school to avoid strangers and to not be afraid to tell their parents or teachers if someone is hurting them. I don’t see the media glorifying either Sandusky or Paterno either.

Unfortunately, an unknown but sizeable percentage of adult child abusers are music, sports, coaches and teachers. Closet pedophiles (heterosexual child abuse) and pederasts (man-boy sexual abusers) are documented as strategizing to teach and counsel children about sexual issues such as sexual diversity, sexual orientation, “hate” crimes, and sexual (not racial) tolerance.

The pedophile and pederast literatures clearly document the strategies used to for sexual predators to become involved with child victims. The pederast magazine, Palavar recommends pedophiles enter teaching and youth counseling, etc., to obtain children.

[T]o spend all your time with children you must have a legitimate reason for doing so; as a teacher… as a social worker… as a play or youth leader… child care, youth work, teaching…charity and voluntary… there is the Free School movement; children’s rights’ and various alternative life-style projects…We believe that a paedophile relationship is no less legitimate and no more potentially harmful to a child than a normal parental relationship.

Adults assaulted in childhood by educators also document the frequency of this “academic” abuse environment.

SESAME, (Survivors of Educator Sexual Abuse & Misconduct Emerge) is an activist group of largely adult whilstleblowers who have survived sexual assault by those in the educational field. SESAME: “A Voice for the Prevention of Sexual Exploitation, Abuse, and Harassment of Students by Teachers and Other School Staff,” focuses attention on sexual predators among a toxic subset of the teaching population. On the evidence, On the evidence, pedophiles and pederasts, independently and organizationally, seek out jobs and volunteer where they can have criminal access to children.

SESAME reports that the Journal of Education Research (1991) finds in its “Survey of high school graduates …13.5% of those surveyed said they had engaged in sexual intercourse with a teacher.”

In yet another survey reported by SESAME, “The best estimate is that 15% of students will be sexually abused by a member of the school staff during their school career.” “Criminal convictions of Ontario teachers in 1996-97 involves enough victims to fill an entire classroom.” And, “Many abusers are in positions of power or trust in relation to their victims which makes it easier to overcome a child’s resistance.”

With today’s opportunities to bring sex into the classroom, legislators, parents and educators are obliged to question what percentage of those adults “helping” children on sexuality issues are likely pedophiles, pederasts or their naive supporters. We now know Kinsey, for example, “was deeply influenced by five paedophile headmasters who were quite clear they had very warm relationships with young adolescent boys of twelve or thirteen” in one New England area.

AB 1785 CHILLS CHILDREN’S REPORTS OF EDUCATOR ABUSE

Not only does AB 1785 clearly allow heterosexual and bi/homosexual pedophiles, pederasts and hebephiles to be identified as a protected class “orientation” and hostile children and parents as “bigots,” the bill additionally discourages children from reporting sexual abuse by a heterosexual or bi/homosexual teacher, administrator, school employee or even a fellow student.

When children learn all sexual “orientations” are equal and that those practicing sadism, masochism, obscene phone callers and the like are a normal variant of sexual life, the child’s ability to withstand seduction or violation is severely compromised. In such a sexually permissive atmosphere, children are more easily manipulated into viewing themselves as at fault, as having seduced the offender, as having engaged in consensual relations, or as having been an inhibited prude, overvaluing the offense and overstating the injury‹even where a violent rape‹or gang rape–has taken place.

http://www.drjudithreisman.com/hatecrimes.html

My old drill sergeant told us, ‘People, we can’t make you do anything, but we can make you wish that you had.

The one kernel of truth in that tired old chestnut that you can’t legislate morality is that it is not possible to, and, in justice, one should not attempt to, enforce moral opinions or beliefs by law.

But what better basis for criminal law, or civil law, than what is right or wrong, that is, morality. Is there any other basis possible, except for arbitrary ideas which wil lfavor corrupt law makers?

Do you mean even when it is a criminal act? If this were the standard of this Great Country, there is every reason to abandon it. Because it has simply become a lawless Country!

Speaking of Morality, here is an excellent article to consider:
http://mises.org/daily/5672/The-Sinful-State

This is an especially interesting passage:
“Some years ago, a federal bureaucrat sent us the following article, to which he refused to attach his name. It noted:
“What draws people to government work? What keeps them there for a lifetime? It’s simple: overcompensation, huge benefits, and great working conditions. It’s attractive to sign up and nearly impossible to leave…. What would I lose if I left the government? The short work week would be out the window…. Right now, I can spend 8.7 percent of my work time on vacation. That’s six weeks per year in perpetuity…. I could also forget about the unofficial “bennies”: for example, I take an hour-long jog every day, followed by a shower and a leisurely lunch. It keeps me in tip-top condition for my vacations. And shopping excursions during work are always possible. What about stress? If relaxation lengthened life, bureaucrats would live to be 150 years old.”"

Your statement is not only irrelevant but false. Why do you think we have penal laws against murder, manslaughter, theft, rape, perjury, failure to stop and render aid, child abuse, failure to report child abuse, reckless and drunken driving, etc.?
Pennsylvania’s child abuse reporting law has more holes than a Swiss cheese and is itself a crime and a scandal. If a few more of our politicians were fit to be trusted alone with their own or anyone else’s child, it would be tighter and stronger already before this tragic scandal.

Come on, Doc. You live in a dream world.
First the people who are expected to report must fear repercussions enough to compel them to do that which they are otherwise reluctant to do. Secondly, if they don’t report as compelled by law, they must be prosecuted by somebody willing to deal with it. What do you think are the chances that a jury will even convict an observer of a crime in a society where the actual perpetrators of the crime are generally coddled?
Such a law (and I do think they exist in many if not most states already) is basically unenforceable except in cases where you have become an enemy of the state for one reason or another.
I’ll give you a personal example. My first wife lied blatantly and repeatedly during our divorce. I told my lawyer that I had written proof of such lies. She told me that the chances of getting a prosecutor to busy himself/herself with such minutia would be almost non-existent. I asked her how could we expect courts to be Just when people were allowed to get away with lies? She looked at me with a very serious face and said “David, the courts aren’t Just”.

Ah, I see now. You have A Lot of baggage.

It’s called experience, Doc. Something you Liberals ignore.

So that’s how you phrase it, interesting.

Leave it to a Liberal to attempt to turn my story into a personal attack.

If your name calling is pointed at me I fail to see how I attacked you.

You “see” what? Hmmmmm, we all have baggage.

I can’t believe you would try to deny the personal attack, Doc. But then, I can’t believe a lot of things Liberals say and do.

You can make the accusation but it looks like you can’t back it up.

What are you, Doc, 12? You replied to the proof. You have reached new lows in this thread.

Nice try but I did not attack you in any way.

Seek Help, Doc.

DaveH,

I know exactly where you are coming from. My son had a very similar experience. Like I said, we all have to dig deep for those morals and make use of them especially when we see something wrong. We have to get involved when we see things going wrong and make sure that people that do wrong pay the consequences ! By the way Doc, everyone I know comes with baggage. If you live long enough you pick up baggage, HUH ?

But Granny Mae, That is not how we do it in this country, in these days. We just want to pull the covers up over our eyes and deny that anything worthy of notice is going on. Dear Granny, we ain’t gonna stick our necks out, let somebody else do it. We will get just as much good out of it whether we do or somebody else does it.”We ain’t gonna say a word!No Mam!!”

Evermyrtle,

I’m afraid you have sized the situation perfectly. No-one wants to get involved ! Anyway not until it comes home to roost in our own lives ! What a shame !

She sounds extremely interesting, is she seeing anyone I’m 24 I don’t care how old she is.

But school employees, are already mandatory reporters of child abuse in most states, and probably Pennsylvania.
New laws will either just harass innocent people or create more bureaucracy within the government/schools.

Yes, we have to report abuse to the administration, we don’t go directly the the police unless we witness the abuse. What didn’t Joe do right? He felt bad, he could have done more, yeah I said that after my daughter died, “I could have done more!” Hindsight – 20/20!

vieteravet,

Those are some of the most forlorn words in the world ! I could have done more ! So very sorry for your loss ! May God bring you peace !

There already are laws that abuse must be reported. But people do what they want to do.

Should JoePa have been fired? ABSO FREAKING LUTELY. The guy, Mcreery (or whatever his sad name is), who witnessed a particular incident where Sandusky was sodomizing a 10 year old boy should be drawn and quartered.

This poor scared little boy was being tortured, probably praying that someone would come and help and Mcreery did nothing to stop it immediately? Sandusky should have been found lying in the shower with his head (both of them) busted wide open, all his teeth spread around on the shower floor, penis removed and flushed down the sewer.

THEN call the police and the boys parents. What really makes me sick is that all these guys posted bond and were back out on the street.

How in Heaven’s name does a pedophile get bond? I don’t get that part.

I read that Paterno got himself a lawyer. He needs one. He and others failed to report sexual abuse to the proper authorities as mandated by law. This makes them all equally responsible as Sandusky as far as I’m concerned.

Franco Harris put his foot in it by coming out and supporting Paterno. He is now being asked to step down from some organization he is the head of. I met Franco when I was about 12 years old. The guy is as big and tall as an oak tree.

Oh the lawsuits coming ’round the mountain here they come, here they come.

AMEN !

Fired and jailed with a $50,000,000 bond. In other words, keep him the slammer where he will not harm another child.

moonbeam, good post, I agree.

Doc Sarvis – “The laws tht come from this…”
What a crock…of, of …of… sarvis. Sarvis to your fellowman, sarvis to your community, sarvis to your country, how about some table sarvis. Hell if this sort of blasphemy is taking place at Poon ‘Tate just imagine the locker rooms at NeutereD umb. The conscience desert there must be dry enough to kill cockroaches.

We have the NEA and the Department of Education to thank.

HOW does the NEA and/or the Dept. of Education factor into this?

Doc, the problem with this country is there are too many laws now. some even contradict each other. instead of rewriting a law to strengthen it, congress [both in WA DC and each state] write amendments to them which do nothing to close any loopholes.

i’m sickened by what happened at Penn State, but i’m also very concerned by the penchant the media has these days to try everyone in the media before they see the inside of a courtroom. i think they’ve taken the ‘the public has a right to know’ thing way beyond ethical values, as this case proves. JoePa was fired as much to save the college president’s butt as to make the college look as if they’re taking control of this matter…when all the time the powers-that-be knew what was going on and did nothing. but if JoePa was so revered, why didn’t any of the kids speak to him about what was going on? maybe they did, i guess we’ll find out.

so who’s really guilty here? the shame of it is that the kids will be victimized twice now. my heart breaks for them.

I SURE hope you are not advocating sweeping all this under the rug.

As for the media, the public is eating all this up. They can’t seem to get enough. The media/advertisers win in this situation.

O’Henry – PU is good, but I think POON ‘Tate is appropriate too.

LOL! Dats a goodn Mike!

YOU BETCHA PATERNO SHOULD BE FIRED!!! AND THE FELLOW WHO WITNESSED THE RAPE OF THE BOY IS A COWARD AND MORALLY BANKRUPT..HE SHOULD HAVE STEPPED IN AND STOPPED IT AND BEAT THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF THAT PERVERT..SO MUCH FOR FOOTBALL “HEROS”.

Not only should he had been fired, but we need to FIRE EVERYBODY IN WASHINGTON! “WE THE PEOPLE” MUST GET CONTROL OF OUR COUNTRY BACK!
We need businessmen (large & small), farmers, Hard Workers That DO NOT TAKE 1/2 OF THE YEAR OFF & Others that believe that this ONCE GREAT NATION WAS FOUNDED AS “ONE NATION UNDER GOD”
THIS IS OUR ONLY HOPE OF CHANGING ANYTHING ABOUT THIS COUNTRY!
CZARS, LOBIEST, INSIDER TRAIDING BY CONGERSSMEN & WOMAN.
WHAT HAVE WE BECOME?
I NEVER DREAMED OUT ONCE GREAT NATION COULD MORPH ITSELF INTO WHAT IT HAS!

“let’s fire Barack Obama since he is President of the United States. I’ll go for that one too.”

We’re working on that one Dave. Little Barry is one of “them”, but that’s another topic the MSM w’n't go near.

He molested 10 year olds, not college students. How would it be more appropriate if he was forcing himself on college students?

The victims of abuse in this situation, according to reports, were children being helped by a charity called,
Second MIle. They were not college students. The main story in the news concerns a ten-year-old boy.

None of the victims of Sandusky were college students.

People like him prey on those who are vulnerable. You

should consider checking your assumptions before deciding that

someone else is so clearly wrong.