I am by no means a conspiracy theorist.
However I do think it is possible that pro-marxist forces are undermining the foundation of American values.
To what end?
Hard tellin’ not knowin’.
Why do I wonder why more people arent taking pot shots at the people in power?
Because it is the exact type of thing that would cause them to reconsider the bill of rights.
Make no mistake,manufacturing a problem so that they can draft legislation to deal with it is a very real and dangerous concept.

But folks taking pot shots at the Ivy League Academics Home for Disturbed Progressive Liberals,or what we used to call the White House,is nothing new.

The attitude by which people come to the conclusion that that is a wise step in dealing with the conditions present,isnt new either.
Again I wonder why this doesnt happen much more often in a country which has more firearms per individual,than any other country on the planet.
It must speak to our patience with our leadership.
I am as passionate about fixing the issues at hand(If only the true issues were spoken of more often),as the next guy.
But using firearms to shoot at another human being,other than in time of war,or in defense of ones own life,is wrong.
Shooting at buildings,is debatable.
But if I took pot shots at my neighbor,by firing upon his house,the police would come and arrest me.That is right by societies standards.
To say they are crazy for doing it is to coin a phrase which is often used to describe a careless act.
The world has enough careless acts going on in it without me adding to them,but that does not keep me from wondering why in our current state of malaise,why more careless acts of agression arent occuring.
It boggles my mind how comfortable people can be,playing with their toys and having their liberties legislated away without so much as a whimper.
There are too many laws,and too many lawyers in this nation.
Many of them bought and paid for at our tax expense.
There needs to be a moritorium on creating new laws until we ensure that the ones already on the books are worth their salt.
Send the legislators home and audit the book of laws.
-CC.

And he would have a real hard time running with a broken leg.

Think about it,
works for me!!!!! LOL!!

Lastmanstanding, Enough, I like you guys. You both have a really good handle on the situation. Hopefully, we can take them out with ballots before we have to start using bullets. Yet, as my title implies, I’m not opposed to doing whatever it takes to keep America and her people free. Anyone who is against a Republic, capitalism and freedom to pursue greatness is my enemy. Can’t put it any simpler that that. Don’t tread on me and don’t try to reduce my elbow room.

Well said firefight:!!! I really appreciate simplicity. I’ve known very few irresponsible gun owners. As a group I think we care more about conservation and the protection of public lands then the environmentalists. I doubt if most of the ( ENVIRONMENTALISTS ) have ever had a one on one association with the great outdoors. Public Parks don’t count……

John(Tuck),
I don’t know, eddie was telling me about this dangerous rabbit he faced down in the city park the other day…….

John is right on this Ronbo. These slimeballs never attack from the front. Their perception is simple. If hunters have no place to hunt, then they have no need for guns. THIS is exactly how it happened in most European countries. All you need to do is take a trip to Germany, or even England. Hunting in those countries is pretty much non-existent or for the elite only and the rules and requirements to be able to hunt are unbelievable. It was always about gun control or more aptly put, disarming the populace. Hunting in America has always been a way of life for over 80 million Americans and most of us look forward to getting out into the wilds each hunting season and harvesting the wild game that has been placed here by God for our sustenance. This is a GOD given right that no man should try to confiscate. Most of us know that many of the people now working in the U.S. Forestry Service and the Bureau of Land Management are anti-hunters and in some cases just plain anti everything which includes ATVing and even hiking in the forests. Teddy Roosevelt set up these lands many years ago as public lands for the purpose of preservation for all Americans to be able to enjoy. These are PUBLIC lands. What is it that these public servants don’t understand about “PUBLIC?” These lands are not theirs to take away from anyone. Anyhow, their excuse or reason is that they don’t want to “freak out” anyone who is out there hiking. I live in the mountains of Colorado and can tell you first hand that there is NO SUCH PROBLEM. There are places where we go to shoot our guns and there is never a conflict between the shooters, the hikers, the mountain bikers, the mushroom hunters, or anyone else up there in the millions of acres available to all of us to enjoy. This is entirely fabricated by government people to take yet something else away from us.

OldNYFirefighter,
Perhaps a few of us could get out there and DRIVE those bears, cougars. and wolves in their direction………

I really doubt Obama is that stupid. Although we may be ballisticly under armed, we make up for it in numbers & tenacity. Japan knew better than to attack the US Mainland & we are the largest Armed Force in the World. I am sure Obama would have second thoughts about attacking US Citizens. It would be a no win situation for him or his Administration.
I also don’t think Congress would allow it to happen either.

You make some good points, you paranoid deranged lunatic. Get up everymorning and kiss your gun and tell her how much you love her. I love you, I love you, I love you, you beautiful gun you! You’re the only thing that makes life worth living. Mmmmmm good!

mark, you do the same thing with obama’s picture every morning, so you are really not in a position to judge! Oh obama, I love you, I love you, I love you, you beautiful president you! You’re the only thing that makes life worth living. Mmmmmm good!

Jay,
Correction, that’s a picture of abummers backside!!! mark kisses that EVERY day!!!

I stand corrected Joe! LOL

Hey Jay,You are a funny man.Thanks for making my day.

gunsrule–I like your moniker–I have a tee-shirt that says: “Dogs Rule”

The UN Small Arms ban Treaty is not just handguns, it is all semi-autoloading guns, shotguns & “might” allow a single shot .22 long rifle. This is to ban all challenges to the NWO they are planning. All part of Agenda 21 to make the whole world under control of one Government. They can’t do that if we still have our weapons, so it includes every weapon that would allow us to protect ourselves from Foreign Troops or National Officers of NWO. It can’t go into effect until it is ratified by the US Senate. Even on the Democrat side, there is opposition for a yes vote to make it enforceable. Obama may try to do it by Executive Order, but every Pro-Gun Organization will strongly fight that from happening. I expect Obama to try anyway. Keep an eye open for his sneak attack. If Holder is ousted, he probably won’t try to do it, as his protector won’t be there. Rebecca Peters, a Soros Comrade is oushing the UN to do this. She is the Puke that killed guns in Australia, UK & other countries.

Maybe Rebecka need’s a vacation, to hoffa country

Average,
give the lady a cigar or what ever else she wants!!!!!

This isn’t gonna work because there’s millions of acres of public land and people freak out if they see you packing, well it’s their right also.

I drive through Federal lands several times a week with my “LEGAL PERMITTED FIREARM”, so this new rule will make me a “CRIMINAL” for driving to church, going to the doctor or a myriad of “LEGAL” activities. Will state carry permits overide this Federal law? I don’t think so, without a Supreme Court Ruling.

It said nothing about carrying only hunting and target shooting.

This is just the first step, that’s next.

How terrible that we have to wear seat belts. They might even make us put our headlights on at night. You’re to paranoid for this conversation jimster.

…eddie, nor did it say anything about seatbelts or headlights…such a childish HYPOCRIT!

Some things go over peoples head. Apparently everything goes over Jeff’s head. It was a comparison Jeff so stop peeing your pants for heaven’s sake.

“The reasoning man who scorns the prejudices of simpletons necessarily becomes the enemy of simpletons; he must expect as much, and laugh at the inevitable.”
Marquis De Sade

Then why is Jeff always so prejudice and full of folly?

Don’t worry, eddie, Like I told your special buddy mark, the gubmint will protect you frum tda bad men wif the scarey guns!!!!NOT!!!

Sorry Wandamurline, we no longer have a constitution and we are no longer a republic. WE are done, if we do not stand up and fight with our guns like patriots.

Lost…I can assure you that the day is coming…when the “last stand” will be reality…it will be the ONLY chance to remain free.

I don’t think enough Americans are awake to do it peacefully.

Diane Feinstien is one of the worst hipocrites in D.C. She has pushed gun control and gun removal for years, yet she has a conceal/carry permit, and totes a gun almost everywhere she goes. These are the double standard people we need to get out of government.

USAF VET,
and just like the insider trading exemption, they will be exempt from all gun laws because they KNOW the people will be PISSED!!!

And you see the out come of that….they used it to get the “National Carry Concealed Regestery” pasted. Bad for all gun owners.

We find time and again anecdotal evidence (personal stories for eddie47d) of more people that because of their indoctrination in our government education system or by the news media and Holly-weird to be deathly afraid of guns and gun owners (the gunfights in the old West mantra).
OldNYFirefighter you did this woman a favor and probably converted her to our side. She may even become a gun owner at some point
I also believe that we are one crime away from converting a liberal anti-gun person to a gun owner.

sidewinderaz,
Unfortunatly, there are already some of the anti gunners that are carriers and have permits!! Or they have armed guards around them!!They just don’t want YOU to have one!!!

Hey Dan! Even paranoids have enemies.
I damn near shot a man in upstate NY during big game season.
He was bent over in a berry patch, wearing a raccoon coat. I was tightening down on the trigger and he stood up. I put the round past his nose and he heard the supersonic crack before he heard my rifle shot. I used every obscenity I knew and alot I didn’t know until that day. I was wearing day-glo orange and he was wearing a fur coat.

Soo you shoot at anything with Fur?

If it’s bear hunting season, and you are of the approximate right size and shape and wearing brown fur, crouching in a berry patch, I guess you have to take your karmic chances. Obviously the wearer of the coat had no problem with animals being killed for their skins.

Me, I side with those who think that berries should be preserved. (Along with our country’s founding principles.)

Do PETA people count? Just askin! Some of these clowns get shot every year, as they wear Camo clothing, thinking they won’t be seen, which is true. That is how they get shot, as they are not visible behind a deer when a hunter sights in on the deer. Camo makes sense during Bow Season, not during Rifle or Shotgun Deer Season. That said, I never heard anyone say PETA People were Brilliant or had Common Sense. PETA People wear “BRIGHT ORANGE” preferably Fluorescent Orange & your head will stay on your shoulders where it belongs.

IT IS INDIVIDUALS LIKE THE ONE YOU MET IN THE BUSH THAT GIVE EVERYTHING IN OUR SOCIETY THE SHIVERS & USUALLY ARE SHORT OF BRAINS. THE FEWER OF THESE AROUND THE BETTER THE WORLD WOULD BE BUT THEN WE WOULD NOT HAVE MUCH TO WRITE ABOUT. I JUSTG HOPE THE IDIOT LEARNED SOMETIHNG AND PAST ATTENTION THO THE NOTICES OF HUNTING SEASONS AND BECOME MORE CONCERNED ABOUT SAFE PRACTICES FROM LESSIONS LEARNED IN HUNTING AND IN ALL OTHER AREAS OF SAFETY SUCH AS NOT USING EXTENSION CORDS TO ELECTICAL EQUIPMENT ETC……

So we ban hunting in order to protect stupid? Any idiot going out berry picking during hunting season dressed like a bear deservs to be shot. It’s called evolution, the dimwits don’t survive to produce more dimwits and the population becomes stronger.
PS: I’m not seriously proposing open season on dimwits, Just sayin take some responsibility for your actions, don’t blame someone else for your stupidity.

Man, I’ve heard that story repeated more often than I care to count. Here’s another one: My Brother and I went Deer hunting several years ago and as we started setting up camp we heard loud voice coming from a camp across the small valley we were at and when we looked we saw a bunch of idiots walking around among the trees wearing green and brown clothing, talk about stupid, wow. My Brother and I were wearing our hunting clothes (Dayglo jackets and shirts (Bright yellow for me and Orange for my Brother).

Those type are the ones that cause some people to get shot by accident and when they do all you hear is How some hunter didn’t pay attention to his surroundings and how our weapons must be taken away. Oh, yeah, the hunter usually ends up in jail.

Desert_fox1015,
Well there is the occaisonal idiot that gets out hunting and DRINKS till his common sense goes out the window!!! I was headed to my spot one day to hunt a buck I had seen possibly ten times the month before. As luck would have it, even though I had bright orange coveralls on, A branch about five foot above my head got shot off. I hollered at the guy and he said sorry. I worked my way around to him and there was a pint bottle on the ground in front of him, empty of course. I grabbed his rifle from his hands and told him if he wanted his rifle back he could go down th the wardens office and pick it up!! I should have seen how far I could shove it up or down him and pulled the trigger!! THESE are also the types of idiots that are trying, without knowing, to lose our rights to carry and hunt!!

As the population grows and more folks live in the cities and suburbs there is a greater need to get away and many head to the National Parks and public lands. Hiking,sightseeing,mountain biking and other outdoor adventures don’t always mix with guns.Just last week a hunter mistook a moose for an elk so sometimes hunters do shoot first and ask questions later. I doubt if this is an attack on gun rights but public safety for all who enjoy the outdoors. I’d hate to see hunters not be able to enjoy their sport but things do change. Fifty years ago there was plenty of space for hunters without running into others and now it’s not as easy. One hundred years ago everyone traveled by train now it’s by car or plane.Years ago I use to get riled when they would build an apartment on a large vacant piece of land. That is where I’d run the dogs so change can be irksome.

Where have you been Eddie??? Have you not been paying attention? This is not about safety, it is about one more nail in 2nd ammendment coffin. WE have very little freedom left, and within 2 years it will mostly all be gone.

It sure is about safety but you always bring out your trump card and kill any debate with it.

eddie, why don’t you try saying something, anything, with even the least bit of thought behind it rather than your continual mindless childish thoughts. Such a hypocrit!

…and eddie, if you had read the article, you’d have seen this: “It’s not so much a safety issue. It’s a social conflict issue,” said Frank Jenks, a natural resource specialist with the Bureau.

Do you even have any idea of what “social conflict” means or better yet, the theory of “social conflict”?

Social conflict theory is a Marxist-based social theory which argues that individuals and groups (social classes) within society have differing amounts of material and non-material resources (the wealthy vs. the poor) and that the more powerful groups use their power in order to exploit groups with less power.

You see, these people who complained and are “freaked out” over the shooting and hunting on the public lands want to change what has been a long standing tradition and a part of America’s outdoor heritage in this country to suit their own needs. There are plenty of outdoor areas where guns and shooting and hunting are not allowed and that is where these complainers should be, not disrupting the lives of those they don’t agree with.

Yes, the second amendment is almost gone. We have Geo Soros’s companies buying up all the gun and ammo companies. I guess he wants to take over the U.S.A. like he helped Hitler take over Germany.

Keep spinning your web of deceit Jeff. Sam can say anything he wants to on safety but that doesn’t make it true. Your always so busy playing bad cop or is that negative cop that you can’t see beyond your nose.

eddie, with you it’s the same thing over and over and over…child!

Change will never happen when people lack the ability and courage to see themselves for who they are.”
Bryant H. McGill

Then you better get an oil CHANGE on that mind of your. The wheels need a little bit of greasing. Maybe then the real Jeff will pop out.

eddie you always support any law or rule that makes gun control more restrictive ans oppose any law or ruling that relaxes gun control.

what else is up since they are making it harder and harder to hunt?? Deer/ auto accidents!!! the herds are getting larger per acre than they were in the times of the founding of this nation!! There is disease, starvation, and still births among the herds in ALL states!! Would you rather have the deer starve or suffer waisting disease than hunt them?? Here’s hoping YOU meet a deer head on, alone, of course!!!
Oh, and BTW I don’t hope for any REAL hurt for you!!!

What part of New York City or Rhode Island do you live in !?

The trouble with eddie is no matter what the subject is, he goes off the deep end and make it about what he thinks it should be and then gets upset when anyone corrects him because he is wrong or has stated improper facts.

Most of these places are not like your city park eddie47d. You can walk around & not see another soul from sunrise to sunset. 99.9% of hunters or target shooters are not going to be on a bike path or a hiking trail. They (target shooters) are going to be shooting into a solid backstop of some kind. A sand bank makes a good backstop, not a bike trail, road or hiking trail. The situation you are talking about will probably never take place. Your City Park is far more dangerous from resident criminals than National Parks or Government lands. If you go to a National Park & start shooting in the parking lot, I guarantee you a Ranger will have your butt in their car & in hand cuffs before you get to the target you shot at. Most of these Government Lands are hundreds of thousands of acres & there could be one hundred thousand people there & never bump into each other. Your chances of being harmed by wildlife are probably a thousand times more likely to happen. This is another Smoke & Mirrors fallacy, nothing more. Our Southern Border is a different matter. If you plan to bike or hike there, you better have an effective weapon or you will become another victim of the Mexican Drug Cartels.

You make your own point Eddie, Stop building into and onto public open land. Stop forcing the wildlife to move into the populated areas. Are you aware how much money hunters pump into the system that keeps public lands open and cared for? How much extra, beyond existing taxes, do you pay the local, state and federal government to access open public land to walk your dog or ride your bike or have a picnic? Most open public lands are free to access so all you bring and leave is dog crap and garbage. Lets see how you feel when a wild pig runs over your dog, or a child gets hurt by a wild animal that wouldnt be in that area if there were hunters controling their populations. Are there irresponsibly pet owners, campers, recreational vehicle operators, hikers, backers, of course there are. When you get rid of all them come talk to me about limiting hunter access to open public land.

The 9th amendment covers all freedoms not specifically written in the constitution so yes, you do have the freedom to hunt and target practice on “public lands”. We are the “public” and it technically belongs to us, the people.

The states need to create laws to protect the shooter and the person living on public lands. Give us our America back!!!

It seems to me they are trying to liberate all the other countries while taking away our liberties.

So you know for a fact that any hiker,tourist or mountain biker using this land is a communist? I think LOST only want free reign in shooting anyone who doesn’t fit her agenda.It’s not all about you LOST.

Eddie, I think the point he is making is that they are legislating more freedom’s away and using their “reasons” as justification which is another step towards tyranny/communism regardless of whether the hiker is a communist or not. Those “reasons” still don’t justify the stripping of those freedoms.

Not every American is a terrorist but the govt. has their “reasons” on why they need to have the authority to snoop on everyone.

RWS, look up and down at eddie’s comments…for the most part they don’t make much sense and he loves, like so many liberals like to do, to put words in others mouths. He can’t even understand himself so how could he be expected to understand anyone else. A total lack of comprehension.

That’s because you have a lack of comprehension Jeff or else you would get a clue. They use to have shoot outs in Western towns also but that doesn’t mean they should have continued. Things change and for the safety of those towns they put an end to it. I can’t imagine the sheriff of any town today standing in the middle of the road having a shoot out with a perp. Comprehend?

“Stupid is forever, ignorance can be fixed.”
Don Wood

Jeff’s mind is so closed you’d need a can opener to pry it open and he has the audacity to call anyone else stupid.

“Jeff’s mind is so closed you’d need a can opener to pry it open…”

One would need a plasma cutter and pry bar to open your closed mind eddie.

dennis48e,
first you would need a few sticks of TNT to blast eddies head out of his wazoo!!!

This comment pretty much defines eddie’s abilities to understand anything…”So you know for a fact that any hiker,tourist or mountain biker using this land is a communist? I think LOST only want free reign in shooting anyone who doesn’t fit her agenda.It’s not all about you LOST.”

Lost mentioned nothing about the “hiker,tourist or mountain biker” being communists but eddie sure decided that was what Lost meant…liberals love to put words in others mouths, all the while inserting their own feet in their own mouths.

eddie…FYI…it’s the mindset of the progressive communist thinkers and their need to control every facet of someone elses life because it doesn’t coincide with theirs that Lost was talking about…but that’s just a little to complicated for you to understand.

“Life moves pretty fast. If you don’t stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.”

Then you better come to a complete stand still and smell the roses or is that gunpowder. What part of population growth didn’t you understand Joe(Jeff) Friday? There is more demand on these open spaces so there is less for everyone. Got it? I know you like to buddy up with extremists like LOST …opps I forgot you are one of them!

eddie, you’re always such a simpleton!

Still looking for a can opener Jeff? You’ve heard the old saying about “prying minds want to know”. Well how about prying open your mind!

Jeff, eddie has been watching too many movies. there weren’t 1/10th that many shootouts in the old western towns. They usually setteled things with their fists. Of course in case of rustling or horse stealing they held a necktie party. Guns were carried mostly for protection out on the range from wild animals, or hunting. About 1% of them were really what they call gun slicks. I guess eddie thinks the movies are showing real history.

Eddie47d, Eddie47d, I don’t think he’s saying that. What he’s saying is that certain elements within our society would love nothing better than total control over everyone’s life. What I’m saying is having someone telling you where you can live, who you must marry, how many kids you can have, what type of job you are suited for, telling you what kind of education or lack of you must have and most of all keep you from going to the hills for a few days of relaxation. In other words, Eddie47d, own you. I call that Slavery.