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The Happy Valley Football Altar

November 15, 2011 by  

The Happy Valley Football Altar

The Penn State scandal is so disturbing that it’s hard to even write about. When I first heard Joe Paterno had been fired, I thought perhaps it was an overreaction on the part of Penn State’s board of trustees. But as I read about some of the details of the case, I quickly realized I was wrong. As it turns out, Paterno is a split legal hair away from being guilty of covering up a heinous crime spree that staggers the moral imagination of the average American.

As we all know by now, in 2002, assistant football coach Mike McQueary, then a graduate assistant at Penn State, allegedly saw defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky sodomizing a 10-year-old boy in the locker-room shower. To McQueary’s credit, he immediately reported the incident to Coach Paterno.

However, one of the questions people are asking is: Should McQueary, who was then 28 years of age, have gone to the police instead of, or in addition to, telling Paterno? Probably. But I’m willing to stretch my moral slack cutter enough to believe that the youthful McQueary was probably panicked about witnessing such an unfathomable crime and rationalized that he had done his duty by reporting it to the head coach.

Paterno, in turn, reported the incident to Athletic Director Timothy Curley. The same question applies: Should Paterno have gone to the police instead of, or in addition to, telling Curley? Here I have a problem with cutting JoePa much slack.

At the time, Paterno was a 73-year-old prominent role model who had been the head of one of the most prestigious college football programs in the United States for nearly four decades. I’m at a loss to understand why he didn’t follow up, and follow up, and continue to follow up in an effort to find out what action was being taken against Sandusky. (According to the grand jury indictment of Sandusky, “it was within The Second Mile Program that Sandusky found his victims.” Sandusky founded the charity to help troubled youths.)

If Paterno did not follow up, he is an accomplice to the cover-up of a horrific crime. On the other hand, if he did follow up and was told that the university was not going to press charges against Sandusky, he had a moral obligation to take action on his own. And, again, if he did not take such action, he was guilty of repressing information about a serious crime.

Curley and Gary Schultz, Penn State’s senior vice president for finance and business, did not report the incident to the police, but did ban Sandusky from bringing children into the Penn State locker room. By definition, not notifying the authorities amounted to obstruction of justice, a felony that has put many a high-profile person behind bars.

The Penn State embarrassment brings back memories of another iconic football coach, Woody Hayes, who was fired from Ohio State University the morning after he shocked the sports world by punching a Clemson player during the 1978 Gator Bowl. What was different in the Hayes case, however, was that there was no crime charged and his inappropriate behavior was witnessed by a stadium full of fans and millions of television viewers.

The issue is much bigger than coaches like Paterno and Hayes, who believe that winning football games is the most important thing in life. The broader issue is the deification of college sports by millions of mindless fans, which sends a bad signal to students who are supposed to be focused on getting a good education.

A kid who gets straight A’s has to wonder why a guy who can run with a football is more deserving of a letter sweater than he is. I’m more impressed by a learning-challenged student who manages to rise above his learning deficits and graduate with a 3.0 GPA than a 7-footer who can dunk a basketball.

Personally, I don’t believe athletes should receive any kind of reward for their athletic accomplishments. But I do believe that students who excel at academics should be held up as role models by a university’s hierarchy. There’s nothing wrong with being a good athlete, but sports should be kept in proper perspective. Winning a football or basketball game is not a major accomplishment in the grand scheme of things.

I remember shaking my head in disgust when CBS News anchor Dan Rather opened one of his broadcasts in December 1999 by saying excitedly, “There’s joy once again at Columbine High School.” He then went on to tell how Columbine had won the Class 5A state football championship in Colorado.

The implication was that winning a football championship somehow made things right at Columbine. As usual, Rather got it completely wrong. The exaltation of jocks is a major part of the out-of-control bullying problem at schools like Columbine. The jubilation over the school’s football championship only perpetuated the “jocks rule” atmosphere that purportedly still prevails at that school.

I doubt it will ever happen, but I would like to see all sports scholarships eliminated and have the rosters of college athletic teams filled by grade-qualifying students. Sports played by real student athletes would bring in just as much money as the semiprofessional college teams we have today. If everyone is playing at a lower skill level, it looks pretty much the same as when super jocks are playing against each other on a higher level.

The Penn State tragedy and the broader issue of deifying college sports are really just symptoms of a much larger problem: We have discarded the certitudes and values that once made America the greatest country on Earth. Without certitudes and values, it’s easy for people to do unspeakable things such as looking the other way in order to protect a revered college football program. After all, the secular progressives have taught us that everything is relative.

May God be with those innocent kids who were sacrificed on the Happy Valley Football Altar. And may they all become wealthy as a result of the avalanche of lawsuits that is about to shake Penn State to its core.

Robert Ringer

Robert Ringer

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  • Dagger

    We have heard just the tip of the iceberg regarding this sickening story. This incident is just one of many across this nation that have been and are being covered-up. This is an example of a sick society amid a sick world that is racing towards a day of judgement that is coming soon.

  • dg

    Many good points made already but there is one facet of this that I don’t understand. Why did Paterno not BAN Sandusky from the football locker room and facilities for life (I assume that he could do that) & why didn’t Curley ban him from all athletic facilities. In fact, why didn’t Spanier ban him from the campus. They should have done all that AND reported him to the police. They should have confronted him too…. I lost all respect for Penn State as a result of this but am concerned that they are the norm, not the exception, in college athletics.

  • Bev

    I don’t know what the qualification licenses for teachers in PA say about reporting child abuse, but in California if you are a teacher you are obligated by law to inform the authorities if you suspect child abuse. To remind you of this duty it is printed on your license. Notice I use the word “suspect” child abuse. These people turned a blind eye to the ones who depend on them the most, and all for the glory of football. Rape is a horrible thing and even more horrific for boys. We have become a nation of amoral idiots.

    • Carol J, California

      And this law is used to excess. It means that if someone is mad at another they can go make such a report. It causes nothing but trouble for the innocent.

  • LYGHTITUP

    Somebody needs to be in prison.

  • dufus

    Has anyone been in active service to our country? You follow the
    chain of command. The lieutenant does not go over the head of his
    superiors to the general. People are being thrown under the bus
    before the FACTS are known. As Sgt. Friday would say the FACTS maam
    just the FACTS. The armchair lawyers will not settle this. We
    certainly want to protect the children, but let’s get the FACTS.
    Joe Pa and McQueary did what they were supposed to do. It is easy
    to criticize but without the FACTS it is meaningless.

    • Angel Wannabe

      dufus_ B*ll Sh*t!, McQueary should’ve knocked Sandusky on his azz, and taken care of that boy!

    • steve in AZ

      Sorry, dufus. Can’t agree. A chain of command is necessary in the military, as orders must be followed. But even in the military, there are circumstances where superior officers are relieved of duty by their subordinates.

      Moreover, our military exists to protect the citizenry of our country, and their property. As citizens of America we are expected to be worthy of that military protection by being responsible, i.e., concerned with right and wrong. Even another ten year old boy would have known that what he had seen was wrong – and important – and that he must keep telling his story until he found someone to listen and take action.

      To liken a political machine at an institution of supposedly higher learning to that of a military chain of command serves only to disparage the chain of command in a miltary environment, while giving a free pass to the citizenry, and yes, unfortunately, even the political machine that the military is entrusted with protecting.

      • Lisa

        “Chain of command is necessary in the military”???? Only if it is a moral command. This was the answer given by Hitler’s officers. “I was only following orders” !!! What the….. You mean, you didn’t know that you were murdering 6 million jews and that they did not matter. Not buying it. Don’t need that sort of command to follow. I wont do it. Not for you, or anybody. DO WHAT’S RIGHT, COME WHAT MAY… EVEN IF YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE DOING IT. Right and Just.

  • James Yearsley

    Mr. Ringer mentions that the true issue is the deification of football (sports). Not nearly accurate enough Mr. Ringer. the problem is the deification of anything (and now-a-days everything) OTHER than our sovereign God.

    Furthermore, you said you were willing to extend your “moral slack cutter” because of his youth. Really? According to all the reports I read, Mr. McQueary was 28 years old and a graduate assistant. 28! And he did not recognize the sodomy rape of a 10 year old boy for the evil it was? He made no attempt to intervene, to protect the child, to stop this offense. Really?

    Where were you when you were 28? Were you an adult man? I would have called the police – right after I made absolutely certain that this pederast, this personification of evil, was physically incapable of harming the boy any further.

    • marcia greene

      Male or female; 18 or 28; chain of command; no – not this time; the act should have been interrupted immediately and the child protected. Don’t you suppose this child knew an adult had seen what was going on?

  • Prairiewolf

    I was sickened by the interview with Sandusky last night. He may as well have said he was guilty. When questioned in detail about the shower incident with the 10 yr old, he said the “slapping sounds” that McQueary had heard, Sandusky replied that the child was naked, taking a shower with him, and the child was sliding across the shower floor and playing, and they were snapping wet towels at each other. REALLY?! what man takes a shower with anybody elses let alone his own child, at 10 yrs old? and what man plays with a naked boy snapping towels, etc in a shower? When he was asked point blank if he was a pedophile, he stuttered, stammered, and finally said he just loves children. Pretty incriminating. I totally agree with Angel’s post, why would McQueary pass by that shower without knocking this man out? He is the most guilty of all. He obviously thought about his job and personal protection first. The most horrible thing of all, is these children were “troubled youths” to begin with. Much of the child abuse in this country goes on, because people don’t want to get involved.

  • AfricanQueen

    Did they not all have kids or grandkids? Did they not feel a sickening to their stomachs and know that this was wrong? I do know this. I have seen cover up and rumors in my own family from generations past. It was something about our previous generations of adults that found discussing this kind of thing inappropriate although they knew it was wrong. So many kids were abused in the past even many by their own relatives and it was the “big family secret” which is why we have the problems that we have today.

  • RG

    I agree with you about Paterno, but think McQueary is just as culpable. He was plenty old to know better. But I’m guessing you’ve never been an athlete, and I disagree on your disrespect of athletics. There are extremely valuable life skills learned through athletics including teamwork, goal setting, conflict resolution; not to mention diet, exercise physiology and a respect for one’s body. Academics and athletics are all part of human achievement, and achievement is what should be esteemed. There are plenty of kids who cheat on tests, so over zealous braniacs aren’t any more immune from moral compromise than jocks. That’s part of what is so disheartening about the Penn State matter for sports fans. PSU had a reputation for winning with honor. But I find your use of this situation to promote class warfare (academics versus jocks)to be disappointing. Paterno, McQueary and the other grown men who should have protected an innocent child are the ones at fault, not athletics. It’s about PERSONAL INDIVIDUAL responsibility. I see no value in demeaning kids who work hard to excel in athletics as though their endeavor is somehow less respectable than an engineering student. The PSU incident is ugly beyond comprehension, and the INDIVIDUALS responsible need to be held accountable, and that is something we can and should come together on. Don’t use it as an opportunity to divide.

    • 45caliber

      RG:

      There is NOTHING good that can be learned in athletics that cannot be learned elsewhere just as easily. The whole goals of athletics are money and glory. Primarily for the coaches. If you don’t win games, you are fired. (This is one of the few professions where you EXPECT to end your job by being fired!) Win and you get big pay raises.

      The local school has 13 football coaches – and it is a Class C school – which means it is small. All get better pay than the best teacher of science or math. They are officially hired to teach something else but they will ALWAYS be hired before a non-coach at a higher pay. Is this right? I don’t think so.

  • Richard Thomson

    Does anyone else see our culture’s double standard? There is a righteous indignation (and rightly so) that JoePa and others are complicit in a coverup involving sex with minors. However, Planned Unparenthood fails to report statutory rape virtually on a daily basis so that they can cooperate in killing an innocent child for profit. This sets for the girls up for repeat offenses besides destroying a life. Which is the greater crime? Where is the moral outrage?

  • Joe

    This case goes alot higher than just Sandusky. What happen to the DA and was Sandusky involved in his possible murder. Why did the DA not pursue the case in 1998. I have read that a child sex ring may be involved that may account for the easy way Sandusky was able to move around the campus even after they knew he was trouble. Why also was such an easy bail set, if the charges are true you put a monster out on the street. I think there is alot more to this whole case, I can only hope someone has the courage to follow through and find out. As for JoPa he is Penn State and now needs to spend some time in the State Penn as he dismissed the actions of Sandusky thus allowing more victums to be abused.

    • Lastmanstanding

      There is actually a prison just north of Beaver Stadium…I hope they all end up there. Just another group above the law.

  • Ellen

    This all happened in a small town where people knew to shut their mouths or lose their jobs (maybe even their lives). For those who spoke out but didn’t follow through, maybe they felt they did their part. Paterno didn’t see it himself, he heard it from a student. He was probably in a difficult situation: believe a student or believe a man he knew well who ran a program for youths. The university should’ve done more. They could’ve interviewed all kids in the program to ask if there had been inappropriate actions by adults. In 20/20 hindsight, it’s easy to see McQuery told the truth and this was a pattern. At the time, it was just one allegation. This is like the Catholic Church problem that was also covered up for years. The fallout back then would’ve been much less than now. A revered coach has lost our respect. Penn State’s reputation is damaged. State College is at risk of losing its biggest ‘industry.’

  • http://brucefeher.typepad.com Bruce Feher

    One is a child for a very short time and that time should be happy. Having older men and/or women abusing you is dead wrong! If the crew at Penn State had ANYTHING to do with these crimes they should pay full price regardless of their status!

  • http://Que Phil Schwarz

    McQueary missed the boat. He was 28 yrs old & should have immediately stopped the incident to protect the child. He should have then immediately called the policy. The problem originated with him. The cover up should start with him. The football coach just went up the line with an incident he did not view & was getting the info. 2nd hand. Start with the problem & bear down. I bet McQueary didn’t even call the police to follow up, which he should have. Also, did he follow up “hard” with higher ups at the university? Don’t shoot the guys in the line who just handed the problem up the ladder, which they should do since they didn’t witness the event. The coach shouldn’t be involved & wouldn’t know if the President &/or Board of the Univ. spoke to McQueary about the incident. If this still continued & more children were harmed, shame on McQueary. If you see something wrong, take personal responsibility yourself.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Mcqueary apparently called his father after the incident, the father alledgedly is/was a good friend to Sandusky. McQueary apparently told the whole story (that Sandusky did sodomize this child) to the higher ups, and only reported it as horseplay to Peterno!__SODOMY VS HORSEPLAY ARE TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS!

  • former walmart person

    Folks, people in power are EVIL. Get it through your skulls. E V I L. Our government and major corporation CEOs, and other would be elitists such as these Penn State perverts, are pure evil. They are more wiked and evil than anyone in the tea party ever knew.

    As proof, our skies are being chemtrailed like crazy. Soon we may all be dead. Killing us in plain sight. Gotta love these bastards.

  • http://a-albionic.com Lloyd Miller

    But why was protecting Sandusky so important?

    Why was everyone so tolerant of him? Generally homosexuals have a hard time in the “sports” culture? Penn State didn’t need Sandusky!

    • 45caliber

      It was important to protect him because the football team was WINNING!

  • Torbin

    Mr. Livingston: You miss an important point in stating that the 28 year old was probably panicked… to what? excuse pulling a man smaller than him off of a 10 year old boy he was witnessing such an unfathomable crime. CAll the policc. Hold the man down. Take the boy to a safe place – to the police. The man was a working on or had a masters degree for goodness sake. He knew better. If there is such a crime, both McQueary and Paterno are accessories after the fact.

  • L Grapentine

    It seems to me you are using an after-the-fact finding that wrongdoing took place to justify a lynching of a certain select member of the group who had knowledge of the rumor (and it was a rumor to them) of misconduct by Sandusky. Joe Paterno saw nothing and knew nothing, and had, therefore, nothing but a rumor to report. He passed that rumor along to his superiors for good reason; theirs was the responsibility to do the investigation, to pass the information along to the police if their investigation bore fruit, and to protect the university from bad publicity, which was sure to occur in either case. Once he passed the rumor along to the athletic director, his job was done.

    Notice NO ONE ELSE IN THE INFORMATION CHAIN BETWEEN MCQUEARY AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN FIRED, at least as far as I have heard. Everyone above Paterno was senior to him in responsibility, but they are not targeted by the press. Some of those senior to him participated in the investigation, and knew the results, but they are not being punished, though their responsibility is clearly greater than his, using the moral code you seek to justify.

    Further, and more troubling, is the application of press standards of culpability to ANYONE who MIGHT have knowledge of criminal activity. Such an effort results in, AT BEST, a rush to premature judgment, a public crucifixion of a person whose situation is unknown, and whose reasons for silence EVEN IF HE HAS ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE may be sufficient to justify his action, if they are known. This is very like another press practice; that of applying accepted morality rules of today to the world of centuries ago, and badmouthing those who lived in that era for practices completely acceptable then, but considered wrong now. These are moral traps, used without thought by persons who seek to justify their own morality, which profits from the headlines such morality and such traps make possible. In point of fact, the general moral code five hundred or a thousand years ago was far above that of today, though the times were much more difficult, and the knowledge level far lower. Members of the press would do far better by asking what journalists THEN would consider appropriate than to pursue one another in the public lynching of citizens using the press code of today.

    • MRobs

      All the double speak in the world does not excuse the fact that Paterno was well aware that Sandusky was a pedophile. I am from PA and have lots of friends at Penn State and there is a lot more dirty laundry going to be coming out. They are all guilty and should all do some prison time. Explain to me how a grown man of 28 sees a child being raped and does nothing but “report” it – disgusting – all of them!

    • Ashley

      L-it’s not a rumor….McQueary said he SAW Sandusky sodomizing the boy…How is that a rumor…

      • 45caliber

        It is people like L who are alibiing those who commit the crimes. That is the only reason they can get by – and they know it. A criminal is a person who committed a crime – not a person CONVICTED of a crime – but you will see them insisting otherwise. If this ever comes to trial, I will expect the defense lawyer to try to insist that the 10 year old boy seduced the coach.

      • JDubya

        We now have heard that he in fact did not witness the act but heard noises that sounded like it (it only takes a fertile mind) – if so, he should have called 911 immediately and shouted in the hallway or something to let them know he was there witnessing it. Running to Paterno with it later is not acceptable – I think Paterno was set up IMHO. Don’t forget that what you are hearing is coming from reporters who took it in part from Grand Jury testimony. Something smells to high heaven here and it is not Paterno. If the perpetrator did what he says he did, he is guilty of bad judgment, not necessarily a pedophile.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Ashley, Up date___Mcqueary Originally saw aledgedly said he saw Sandusky as sodomizing a ten year old.__ per Fox News as to what McQueary saw__Changing his story, He now says “I did the right thing, I made sure it stopped!”"Grand Jury report suggests he did not stop the act!

    • Vigilant

      L Grapentine:

      “Joe Paterno saw nothing and knew nothing, and had, therefore, nothing but a rumor to report.”

      A “rumor?” No, it’s called “an eyewitness account” and it’s acceptable as testimony in a court of law.

      “Further, and more troubling, is the application of press standards of culpability to ANYONE who MIGHT have knowledge of criminal activity.”

      “Press standards?” No, it’s called “legal standards.” Anyone with knowledge of a heinous crime has the responsibiilty to come forward. The legal process of investigation, outside of self-incrimination, requires divulgence of these facts, and yes, even rumors and innuendo if they are applicable to the case. Failure to do so is either obstruction of justice, perjury or accessory.

      “This is very like another press practice; that of applying accepted morality rules of today to the world of centuries ago, and badmouthing those who lived in that era for practices completely acceptable then, but considered wrong now.”

      You’re way out in left field on that one. Are you trying to say that such behavior was acceptable a mere decade ago?

      Need to change your screen name to “Hear-No-See-No-Speak-No-Evil.”

      • 45caliber

        Vigilant:

        Too many of the libs now insist that eye-witness accounts should no longer be allowed in court because the witness might have seen the wrong thing due to some angle or shadows or something. As a result these are “rumors” only and should be disallowed. That is their argument about the guy recently executed in Atlanta. He didn’t admit his guilt and – despite 34 eye witnesses, some of which knew him personally – they say he should have been released because “they had no hard evidence”.

  • ted leithart

    Since you brought up the Woody incident, let’s look at the rest of the story:

    Yes, Woody lost his cool. He did so in practice several times, wailing on fully uniformed players. Obviously, not much hard done to the players considering they were in pads, etc.

    But does anyone ever talk about Woody calling Charlie Baumann? They became friends over the years.

    And whenever another Woody book or bauble head is marketed, who gets one of the first ones? Charlie Baumann. I understand from Charlie that his friends buy Charlie everything Woody imaginable.

    In lieu of the revelations of the dirty laundry being aired centering around the football program at Penn State, the antics and problems of my alma mater, Ohio State, seem tame by comparison.

    But, then, Columbus-town is rather tame outside of football season.

    Regards…

    • marcia greene

      Linking Woody Hayes and Joe Paterno in any context is outrageous

  • Ben Walker

    Righteous Indignation is a very natural reaction to atrocities, and what happened to the children abused in the Penn State case certainly qualifies as an atrocity! I only pray that one day the world will react with the same righteous indignation to the deaths of millions of children through abortion! I guess the deaths of aborted children would generate more indignation if they had been given names and had been held in their Mother’s arms for a little while! I wonder why abortion doctors aren’t charged with murder and prosecuted. Why aren’t hospital administrators fired for allowing children to be killed in hospitals under their supervision? I know abortion is legal, but, would sexual abuse of children be any less egregious if it were deemed legal by the government? Just a little food for thought!

    • Angel Wannabe

      Ben__ I do react with the same shock &despair about abortion, I was suppose to have been an abortion but lived!!!!__Just because you don’t hear everyones disdain doesn’t mean its not occuring!

  • Bill Scantlen

    The problem that I see with this whole sordid episode that with Kevin Jennings the czar supreme wants homsexuality taught in out public school systems.
    As for the football frenzy in schools across the nation, it will never stop. THe money coming into universities and colleges is tremendous. Imagine a football coach with a salary of say 3 million and a professor that may or may not want to teach academics receiving a paltry sum of 75,000 dollars.

    • Karolyn

      Pedophilia and homosexuality do not necessarily go hand in hand.

      • Lisa

        Not totally, but 80% of the time they do. Those were the last statistics on paedophilia. 80% of them were homosexual. One corruption always has more corruptions that follow. And perhaps after we allow homosexuals to call themselves on par and equal to heterasexual marriages, paedophilia will be the next approval on the list as we all slide down this slippery slope in to a moral wasteland. First they will lower the age of consent and all hell will break loose from there. Not good. Not good at all. This will make everyone suspicious. Our kids will have to be raised under lock and key. Just recently in England a judge released a paedophile saying that she did not condemn his attrations to children! Go figure.

      • Karolyn

        Can you cite those stats?

      • Lisa

        I cannot Karolyn as it was 3 years ago that I read about it in a report on homosexuals. I do not say it lightly. It was a report from the police department of all those who had been charged in the last decade. If I recall the source I shall post it.

      • Lisa

        But tell me Karolyn….even without cited statistics…. What sort of man would want to have sex with a small male child? A homosexual paedophile. Homosexual males have sex this way as there is no other way for them other than backsides, the waste zone. And of course we all know, that they are ONLY attracted to MALES.

      • Will Larimer

        Karolyn,
        I believe pedophilia, (male)homosexuality and sado-masochism are very closely related. Some personal experience and much observation tell me so. There are mountains of empirical evidence and when the “homo-fad” dies down in another 15 years, there will very likely be numerous scientific studies finding that to be the case. (Oh my, can that Really be true?) If we are a country that is obsessed with “the children” the only possible reason for ignoring kids safety in this area is the fear/dread of seeming to be a “hater”. It’s a bunch of b.s. all the way around but I really hope we all live to see the day when banning homo scout leaders and sports coaches is realized to be the decent thing to do again.

      • Karolyn

        You “believe”. Your credentials are? And your research is cited where? Too many people “believe” and have nothing to back up those beliefs. You are way off base. And the homosexual “fad” is not and will not go away. Do you think homosexuals will suddenly disappear? Why do you make a distinction between male and female homosexuals? There are female homosexual pedophiles too. Pedophiles are in their own class, whether straight or gay.

      • Mike in MI

        Karolyn – you are a sad case. Of course they don’t go hand in hand, but they DO go penis in something else – whether it’s in an adult’s or a little boy’s.
        But in every case, it always involves a big devil spirit. And it can’t be cured. You can’t rehabilitate devils and you can’t kill them. You can only kill the shell (the person) they have taken over. God commanded to destroy anyone who gave themselves over to this so the society would stay wholesome and not be defiled. The homo’s brain has to some extent rotted in their skulls and they have no conscience (that part of the brain is either gone or its leads to the forebrain are diseased).
        They were to get a trial, witnesses and a fair hearing. If guilty they were to be killed – no tears, no recriminations and no sorrow.
        It is telling that God demanded that the Hebrew’s, those who wanted to worship Him, never get involved in the homo trip. He told them if they did he would not hear them – pay no respects, no attention. But the gods of all the neighboring people of Canaan required their worshippers to do this stuff.
        So, what’s all his crapola about there only being one Big God over all mankind. God is Father and all men are brothers??? Not according to the BIBLE.

      • Karolyn

        Simple! The Bible is obviusly wrong! And you can’t prove otherwise unless you were there.

      • Lisa

        The Bible is correct. We do not need to ‘prove’ it as you say. We do not need to defend God, He can do that for Himself. It does not matter that ‘we’ were not ‘there’ because God transcends time. The instructions were given for ALL generations to follow.
        All has been well up until ‘this’ generation who has, in my opinion, lost touch with reality. Up until ‘this’ decade, way back through history, christian, jew, believer, non-believer, religion, no religion etc has always believed and known that homosexuality IS WRONG. Now, it does not matter how well YOU wish to ‘verbally engineer’ it, it will never be accepted by the majority of the population. Like I said earlier, morals have fallen down a very slippery slope, things will get worse, not better. We will raise our children under ‘lock and key’.

  • kwullen

    Our universities are graduating football players who can’t read, write or speak the English language and can’t balance a checkbook.
    Football needs a Minor League, like baseball, and universities need to go back to the education business.

    • http://radiodynamo.com/ Haggard

      I think they need to get rid of sport academia all together. I think it teaches the wrong things to everyone involved. As mentioned above they should be bringing attention to those who are excelling in the brain department to the best they can.

      Sports is nothing more than the Roman Gladiators where we celebrate the losing/sacrificing of one team or individual to another. The whole of this society is sick and doesn’t even know it.

      These sports have become one of our many gods to keep us preoccupied from things of importance and we are being blindsided by it.

      I hope they burn the whole of the football god at Pen State and all those who sacrificed the well being of those boys for the sake of a buck and tradition.

      • Harriett Sharp

        You are right about too much emphasis being put on sports. I heard one football jock addressing the administration of his college as ‘youse guys’ and declaring that a good education was more important than football.

        A football hero from my own high school went to a local university on a football scholarship. After graduating at the end of 4 years, he discovered he couldn’t get a job because he had no marketable skills. So went back to school to learn accounting. So what good did that football scholarship do him? Nothing. It only earned revenue for the University sports program.

    • steve

      Right on!

    • Mike in MI

      Yea! HOORAY!! Whooppee! I can blow out my lantern and stop looking. I FINALLY FOUND ONE: A SMART, REASONABLE, sensible, THINKING PERSON with a huge amount of guts to tell the world how screwed up it is.
      I got my neck injured in high school football practice and started to develop a laundry-list of health problems as long as your arm. I was “treated” medically and told it would heal and wouldn’t have much effect on me after healing a few months. Well, I had one thing after another start going wrong, from head to foot, which all were sort of sub-clinical but very irritating and troublesome intermittently. One symptom was chest pain and heart palpitations at night – which scared the hell out of me.
      Well I finally (twenty-one years later) got treated chiropractically. Wow!!! After about 45 days of care to the football-injury-neck (only neck) I took mental stock of what had changed. About 70% of the laundry-list was gone (GONE) and all of it had become much better.
      I know now that no medical expert would have found the simple answer to all those problems and would have treated them individually – with very little success because the cause of the trouble would be left unchanged. But, boy, would medicine have made a mint on me.
      There is every reason to think mine is not an isolated case…especially now with medically taught “trainers” employed by most high schools and colleges funneling the kids to medical care(lessness.)

  • skippy

    My heart certainly goes out to those boys and their families. I cannot imagine the hell they have been through. I am not sure there is even adequate punishment for such abuse by a person who portrayed themself as wanting to help troubled youth. Just disgusting. And I have to agree, the whole damn football program is to blame. You just don’t drop the ball on something like this. Hat’s off to McQueary!! Way to go!!

    • steve

      “Hat’s off to McQueary?” Are you serious? I think he is an abject coward for not helping the kid. I guess he didn’t want to risk his job. Loser.

      My hat is off to Mr. Ringer. I’m sure he has pissed off many jock worshipping readers. Good for you, Mr. Ringer. Keep it coming!

      • Mike in MI

        Steve -
        Mc Queery is pretty much like everybody else in this sick and confused system: confused and “sick-in-the-head” over what to do about what’s right and what’s wrong. So which is it?
        Love is good. Therefore sex is good because it makes you feel loving. Right?
        But, pedophile coaches doing this is not good and people get all upset and angry. It’ll be VERY HARD to prove.
        And priests doing the same thing to acolytes and choir boys is worth judicial action and huge judgments against the church. But, the priests get off with a hand slap and go work in some other capacity.

        However, on the other hand we’re teaching ten year olds in school about these kind of relations and that it’s just as good as anyting else out there…and it must be good because people want to do it. And…it makes you feel “loving”. So, try it you’ll like it. There’s a real high disease rate in the receptive partners…but, so what, it’s avant garde and daring and you can consider yourself “modern” and rebellious.
        The Bible says people who do this have “reprobate minds” – but what does that matter in today’s world? We’ve evolved beyond that…haven’t we? Maybe we have. But has God?

        Of course it’s a fact that McQueerie was an intern in Paterno’s coaching program at the time. But that wouldn’t have anything to do with his decision not to bother one of the coaches protecting a little boy. NAW!!!

      • steve

        Amen, brother.

  • Angel Wannabe

    I’m so thoroughly disturbed & disgusted by this I could just puke!!!_There’s a lot of questions we want answered here in Pa, but what I really want to know is when McQueary saw Sandusky raping that child, why in the hell didn’t he step in, and beat the living shyte out of him within and inch of his life!_I’m telling ya had it been me, there would’ve been NO WAY that SOB would’ve gotten out of that shower without being wheeled out on a litter!_and he’s denying the charges, he said, on the phone in and TV interview__He’s innocent of those charges????
    __The missing DA,who authorities say, A’hem, his disappearance is not involved in this??!! Never found the body, declared dead last year I believe, found his car, and later his computer, with a missing hard drive at the bottom of the Susquehanna….

    I was abused, not sexually, but abuse is abuse__but this is heinous!!!!__Abuse It does one of two things, abuse makes you extremely timid fearful, or controlling and aggressive__lets just say, it DID NOT MAKE ME TIMID!__I’d like to tell each on of those kids who were victims,” Support them get them help_It’s not your fault, and you’ll be ok!”
    I’m and on ropes about JoePa, WHY, WHY wasn’t more done?._His testimony can’t be used in court , because, its regarded as “Hear-Say”__They threw Spanier and JoePa under the bus!__This just makes me sick!__ FIRE THEM ALL AND START THE HEALING!

    • wandamurline

      I have to admit I am with you on this one…being a mother and grandmother, I would have done something right then and there to stop this man….like call the police and hit him over the head to knock him out until they arrived and gotten help for the boy. I simply cannot believe that people will not help when there is a crime being committed….since I am 64, I guess I was raised in a different era where honesty, pride, responsibility and God were taught. I had a terrible drug problem….my parents drug me to church, drug me to family gatherings, drug me to neighbor’s house for gatherings, etc. What a shame that we have lost all of the moral aptitudes that were taught to my generation.

      • Angel Wannabe

        WANDA I’M 55 and I’m telling ya, there would’ve been no way Sandusky would’ve gotten out of that shower standing up, no way!

      • Angel Wannabe

        and wanda for the record,… that drug problem you had?__Is the kind of drug problem this world needs more ! :)

      • Lastmanstanding

        Girls, we are 50 and are with you. i grew up in pa and went to PSU.

        I live out west and 10 years ago couldn’t believe that paterno was still alive let alone still head coach. (as I don’t follow sports anymore for obvious reasons.)

        i hope they all rot in prison and are fully consumed mentally for what they have allowed to happen.

      • http://WeThePeople Jean

        If they go to prison – it will not be to rot – it seems the normal? prisoner has plans for each and every child molester

      • Angel Wannabe

        Jean_ Your Right!, I’ve heard rumors of that before!

      • Zermoid

        Any one of you Brain Deads realize that NONE OF THESE CHARGES HAVE YET BEEN PROVEN?!?!?!

        If and when they are PROVEN is when it’s OK to berate and fire people, not before. What happened to INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY???

      • Greg T

        …in a court of law.

        The college has another obligation to the students. I wish more people in authority knew that things like this would get them fired. Finally, the people at the top take the hit instead of the usual fall guys at the bottom.

      • Old Henry

        We’ll give em a fair trial and then hang em.

      • American Gram

        Fired? That should be the least of their worried. Fire at the end of life is what they should worry about.

      • Angel Wannabe

        zermoid, excuse me__it’s called outrage, tough if ya don’t like it!!!!

      • Old Henry

        Actually Angel I would call it reality. That sub-himan was caught IN THE ACT with a ten your old child.

      • steve

        Obviously there was enough “proof” for Penn to take action limiting Sandusky’s access to children. I haven’t read that Sandusky put up a fight against the allegations that resulted in Penn’s decision. What do you make of that?
        I agree with your comment about innocent until proven guilty, but Sandusky admitted to some pretty disgusting activity–fondling kid’s legs, getting naked with them in the shower, etc. His own admissions to such activity are all I need to believe the rest of it. I certainly hope you don’t think such actions are okay!

      • JeffH

        Zermoid, that’s right…innocent until proven guily.

        In Sandusky’s own words: “I say that I am innocent of those charges … I have horsed around with kids. I have showered with them after workouts. I have hugged them and I have touched their legs without intent of sexual contact. I enjoy being around children. I enjoy their enthusiasm. I just have a good time with them. I shouldn’t have showered with those kids.”

        The guy has a long uphill battle to prove himself innocent…being indicted on 40 counts of child sexual abuse, it doesn’t look too promising for Sandusky.

        “Paterno has come under harsh criticism — including from within the community known as Happy Valley — for not taking more action in 2002 after then-graduate assistant and current assistant coach Mike McQueary came to him and reported seeing Sandusky in the Penn State showers with a young boy. Paterno notified the athletic director, Tim Curley, and a vice president, Gary Schultz.”

        The bottom line is that Paterno deserved to be fired for not following up on the reported Sandusky child abuse after it was reported to the Penn State administrators. A moral man wouldn’t have allowed this scandal to continue under his nose. Despite the police investigation going nowhere, Sandusky should have been released from Penn State by Paterno. There can be no excuses.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Well Said Jeffh!!!!

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Zermoid… If it was one of your kids would you sit tight until the charges are proven?

      • marcia greene

        Yes, innocent until proven guilty – but there must have been some very damming evidence presented for these individuals to be fired. They will have their day in court

      • Old Henry

        Yeah Wanda, hit him over the head again and again. Gotta make sure he is fully “unconcious”. Just tell the cops he kept slipping on the we floor and falling down…

        Remember the democraps mantra: Take the sons of b*tches out and send them straight to hell. (This message approved by Little Barry)

    • Ashley

      Can you believe Angel, i totally agree!LOL I guess in recent statements/interviews he’s saying he’s not a pedophile, but he shouldn’t have showered with boys….LOL what?I saw that this morning!Im a mother of 2 boys and it just makes me almost anxious to think stuff like this happens…it can make me cry on the spot if i start letting my wonder what these boys must’ve been going through!

      • Angel Wannabe

        Ashley, People Turning they’re heads from things they don’t wanna see!—Its all over!__My husband witnessed a car accident involving a pedestrian, which who was hit and flung up over the car hood and landed on the highway, my husband was the only one who got out of the car, to try to help this boy__everyone drove by and just stared!
        __people make me sick!

      • Ashley

        Yes they make me sick as well!That’s wonderful of your husband to offer whatever help he could.Even if was just a hand to hold and words of encouragement…im sure it made a huge difference for the boy!

      • Donald

        That’s the full story of the good Samaritan. Nothing has changed through the centuries.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Donald, TY!__My husband was and is always like that, that’s partly why I love him!

    • Old Henry

      Angel:

      To use the democraps phrasology: It’s time to take the sons of b*tches out and send them straight to hell.

      • Angel Wannabe

        OMG_ Old Henry, this Penn State thing just set me oFF!!!!__I was abused(not sexually) but as a kid being abused, your out of control of it__Hense your either overly agressive or overly timid, I’m not the latter!!! :) Mine abuse stopped when I started to punch back at nine!!!
        As my Mother use to say you can pick your friends but not family!

        But Sexual abuse is the worst kind of abuse there is, hoffic and heinous and if this is all true, I say givem a fair trial then hangem!!!

      • Old Henry

        Bravo Angel!

  • FreedomFighter

    Its all about the money, cover it up or we lose MILLIONS, so it is.

    This is in my opinion a slice of what society has been moved to by the progressive movement, no God, no morals and all that comes with it. Just look at OWS, dirty, nasty, violent leftest, socialist, communists, wanting freebies. Not that we dont have some greedy sickos running Wall Street, stealing us blind, just put them in jail.

    Its all by design, its all for a purpose — rob you of your freedom and liberty and bring on the New World Order.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi9

    • Karolyn

      God or no God, nothing new under the sun.

      • FreedomFighter

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i2eljy9MSU&feature=uploademail

        Check this out K

        We are in a spritual war.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Lastmanstanding

        FF…spirtual and let’s add moral.

        Bottom line. half our country is void of any productive, considerate lifestyle…infact lets go a step further and say half the world.

        No work ethic, no responsibilty, no personal drive to succeed, no faith, no morals…no chance.

        To much collective bs. Everyone needs to be responsible and able to care for themselves before they can come together and share the earth.

      • CJM

        Lastmanstanding: I would say that LESS then half of the American citizens fit your notion of unethical, amoral, lazy individuals. It is usually that minute minority that gets the grease in the wheel…and the majority gets the blame. If a crime has been committed and someone knows about it, nothing can be done about it until that witness comes forward (or the crime is discovered in some other way)–in the Penn State case, nothing happened because the crimes went unreported.

      • 12AngryMen

        Wake Up Call, Everyone:

        I wonder out of all of the people outraged and disgusted by this, how many are consumers of pornography?

        ANYONE who has paid money for pornography or prostitution has supported this by feeding the world of sexual exploitation. How about all of those great athletes that accepted sexual favors for recruitment? What about all the college kids that participated in date rape?

        Talk about “looking the other way”- we as a society do it EVERY DAY.

        If anyone here wants to make a difference- forget about high-profile cases. Get YOURSELF right, then your family, and keep the smut as far from all of you as possible. Don’t let it in your homes or phones or computers, OR YOUR THOUGHTS.

        The cure for all of this craziness is till the same as it has always been: “Let virtue garnish thy thoughts unceasingly.”

      • Barbc

        12angrymen – You are right! Unfortunately most do not think that Playboy, hustler, etc. as porn. Watching the marginal shows that constantly debase the human spirit adds to the problem. To many movies and TV shows encourage foul language, immorality, cheating, unmarried sex is just another days activity.
        It has been happening for so long we don’t see ‘it’ any more. Little by little we lost our high standard of morality.

      • madog2

        This has been a problem since forever and it will always be. It is a damn shame that when you try to start a conversation with someone you hear “Hay man How Bout those cowboys or Did you see such and such movie”? The majority of the world livs and breaths sports. We have a so called president that doesn’t think twice about flying across the country to watch a sports event.

      • http://www.customdesignjewelryonline.com Hendrik

        To which I would add…and NO accountability

      • Old Henry

        Thank you for the link FreedomFighter. YOu are absolutetly on the mark, we are in a spiritual war – of enormous proportions. When we walk outside you can almost feel the evil swirling in the air of this country. Now we have one in our WH.

      • Old Henry
      • Old Henry

        One thing about that sub-human being out on bail – it makes it easier to get to him and serve justice for those boys.

      • 45caliber

        But if someone did that, it would cut his lawyer’s income big time! That would be terrible, wouldn’t it? That’s why they are so in favor of gun control (for everyone else). They don’t want to risk the lives of their clients.

        Incidently, is the college paying his lawyer fees now?

      • Mike in MI

        Right on the spot, FF -
        One of these days I hope some researcher with some credentials in neurophysiology or neuroendocrine studies would take the time to study the hormones and chemicals that are in semen and figure out what damage could be expected to occur in little kids who get molested by these damnable pedophiles. I know there is some real powerful stuff in there and it does real nasty things to an adult over a period of time. But in a child who is just developing physically and mentally the effects would be magnified and could be very different on growth and development.
        This would be what the Bible calls “astorgos (a Greek word)” meaning – someone who mistreats, abuses, damages its young. The term is one of some twenty evil things listed as evils to be found particularly in homos.
        God says that those who do such things are “worthy of death”. So, God thinks they should die. But, our wonderful system of IN- justice treats them as though they are salvageable.
        God says “Kill them”. Bleeding hearts say, “No, they should live.”
        So…Who’s trying to play God?

      • Mike in MI

        Need to make an addition to “real nasty stuff in there (in semen)…does nasty things to an adult…(add) MALE.” It isn’t harmful to a woman. The girls’ reproductive systems are perfectly suited for it to result in a baby.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Karolyn…. What you say may be true enough, but I am sure those boys who grew up to be men know they were violated, which is not NORMAL. You display an attitude in your posts anytime someone mentions God. If all were living according to God’s law and will, none of this stuff would happen. But there is sin in this world and these things do happen. My daughter was sexually violated by an older cousin. If I ever see him again, it will take every ounce of self control I have to keep from killing him. And, as a Christian, I know this is a normal reaction, but I know that God would not want me to feel this way or act upon my feelings. What Sandusky did to these boys is just disgusting. He is a maggot. He should be locked away forever away from all he could hurt.

      • Old Henry

        Robin:

        If you ever see your cousin again, put a millstone around his neck and throw him into a lake or river. God will approve and has advoked it.

      • Bruce D.

        I found Karolyn’s post bothersome also. This is something everyone one should be outraged about. While it is nothing new for Karolyn it is extremely difficult for me to understand how a heinous act like that can be overlooked by anyone other than an extremely lowlife individual.

      • Karolyn

        my point, Robin, is that there really is nothing new going on. It is not because of our society these days. These crimes have always existed. My spiritual beliefs are just that – mine; and as such, I like to share them and try to challenge people to think outside the box.

        I attended a training today regarding sex in our society. The reason we live in a “rape culture” is because sex is so taboo in this country. Compared with other countries, where they give out condoms in school, speak frankly with kids about sex, have nude beaches, and even legal prostitution, this country is a veritable den of iniquity. We have more unwanted pregnancies, more abortions, more teenage pregnancies, more rapes, etc. that Britain, France and Netherlands combined (by a large margin, too). None of this has to do with pedaphilia about which I know nothing. We have a separate center with specialists who deal with the kids.

      • KHM

        @Karolyn,
        Rape or pedophilia isn’t about sex, it is about POWER. Those who commit either’sex offense’ are usually either victims of abuse themselves or cannot have a normal sexual relationship with someone who is their peer. They have to prey on someone who is weaker.
        Yes this type of crime has existed for thousands of years, but that doesn’t make it any better. In fact it says that we as so-called civilized people have not evolved that far. Yet there are some, such as former “Safe Schools” czar Kevin Jennings and others in NAMBLA, who would have us believe that man-boy relationships are Okay and about love. NOT!

      • Karolyn

        KJM – I beg to differ. Pedophiles are sexually attracted to children, whether men or women, and believe in their own minds that they are bringing pleasure to the child. Rape IS an act of power and control and not sexually motivated. Of course, there is child tape, but it doesn’t necessarily have to be a pedophile who carries it out because, as we’ve said, rape is about power. Pedophiles love children.

      • C Colin

        Karolyn, pedophiles can’t love children, that is impossible. Do you know what love means? That is part of the problem in our society. Pedophiles are confused people. It is a sickness, yet they are still responsible for their wrong choice and harm that they cause.

      • CJM

        As usual, K, no empathy, let alone sympathy, for the victims. To you, the perpetrator’s act is ‘business as usual.’ Somehow, I doubt you would display such an attitude if one of the victims had been YOUR child….more than likely, you would be the first to demand the perpetrator be buried under the jail and to heck with a trial.

      • Karolyn

        What attitude? Do I have to gnash my teeth and beat my breast like everybody else to show how sympathetic or empathetic I am? I’ll have you know, empathy is one of my strong points.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Karolyn, don’t you work in or around sex crime prevention and Therapy?

      • Karolyn

        Yes, I do, Angel. My response was addressing the fact that these types of crimes have been in this country forever and are nothing new. I was responding to a specific post. We discussed child molestation at our training today, and the main topic of concern was how little is reported. In our county, there were only two reported cases last year; and everyone finds that hard to believe. As a result, it is felt that everyone just turns a blind eye because it is usually a relative. We did recently have a teacher arrested for having sex with a 14 year old boy, though. I think it’s the first ever. Of course, I feel for the kids, but I do not feel the need to curse somebody out because of it. Of course, Sandusky has yet to be judged.

    • Judy

      Report it “H***”, why didn’t he step in & stop it right there?? I am a woman with disabilities but I would have attacked the sucker right there on the spot if I came upon such a deplorable act. What has happened to people, especially men?? My husband would be in jail if he caught him, he would have killed him.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Hear Hear Judy!!!!

      • Carol

        I agree with you Judy, I would have jumped on his back and started clawing at his eyes and if I had a chance I would have kicked him the the gonada, he is a filthy pig. All child molesters should be put behind bars and if ever turned loose, a big M tatooed on their forhead so everyone would know what they are. You can’t fix them, once a pedifile, always a pedifile.

      • home boy

        latest reports say he did step in and stopped the actions.

      • Old Henry

        Carol:

        All child molesters should be EXECUTED post haste. We need an Express Lane to the gallows. They are convicted on Monday, they are executed on Tuesday. The victim(s) or their parents get the option of tripping the trap door.

      • 45caliber

        Old Henry:

        Personally, I’d like to see it done the same day.

        LOL … some years ago the state executioner retired. The anti-death penalty people were all excited – it would eliminate the death penalty since no one else would want the job!

        I know a lot of people volunteered to do it for free. Me included.

      • Methusala

        While this individual languishes in jail, he WILL succum to many attacks because he IS a child molester! Prisoners have their own code-of-justice and one thing in particular they despise is child molestation! I’ll give him less than a year before they bury him!
        P.S. In order for him to survive, he will have to be under watchful eyes as in a suicide-watch with a mandantory one man cell and guards at all times. Whatcha bet this doesn’t happen!

      • marcia greene

        Let him reap what he has sown

      • Old Henry

        And do not forget his bosses. They must be “punished” as well.

      • moonbeam

        that’s the same thing i said, Judy. If I EVAH come up on something like that, i’m the one going to jail. I was asked why and I said “Because i would have killed him.” and from what I heard today, they tell me it was mostly African American boys he was molesting.

        These kids would be about 20 years old now?

    • Rod Roberts

      $$ The Big Bucks $$

      You are O so right, millions of dollars for the big successful football/basketball programs, players, and personnel. Forty years ago when I was at Syracuse Un. our head football coach (and he was head coach for many years) made $1 less than the chancellor of the university, had a large home provided, butler, cook, housekeeper, and a radio/tv show which paid him big bucks.
      In Washington, not reporting SUSPECTED CHILD ABUSE is a felony and will be punished by jail and/or fines. Teachers and coaches are on the line for this type of abuse – just observing bruises is a hint. All must be reported to principal, counselors and police. But college and pro sports are such big $$ affairs there’s always big hush money and kill the whistleblower syndromes. Most people would not believe the money that is budgeted each year for their local high school sports programs. I know when I was on our budgeting committee I was astonished by how much it cost to run and compete: Equipment purchase and repair, helmet inspections/replacement, transportation, salaries, ticket sales, officials, lighting, custodial overtime, uniforms, cleaning, and a host of other costs. The bigger the school district, the higher these costs go and you don’t just have a varsity team you have JV and C-squads. Money runs the sports business!

    • Old Henry

      comment removed for explitives

      • Old Henry

        Mr. Livingston:

        Please accept my apologies.
        This is a pretty hot issue. Thank you for not de-activating my “key” to the front door.

    • Ranger 1

      Freedom Fighter is abso-friggin-lutely correct! It IS all about the money in the case of PSU’s scandal . Cover it up or we’ll lose millions! Of course, the firing of Coach Joe P. was ALSO all about the money. Please don’t think for an instant that a Board of Directors might make a decision based upon what’s MORALLY right . . . . . . when was the last time you saw any major BOD do THAT?? Unfortunately, FF then loses all semblance of logic when he says, “This is in my opinion a slice of what society has been moved to by the progressive movement, no God, no morals and all that comes with it. Just look at OWS, dirty, nasty, violent leftest, socialist, communists, wanting freebies.” Really, FF? Last time I looked, the OWS movement, with which anywhere from 66% to 80+% of the public agrees (depending upon whose polls you read, from FOX Noise to AlterNet) is made up primarily of progressives, who pretty much hate or distrust BOTH major political parties. This OWS movement is a testament to the FACT that our current society is held hostage by the Uber-rich, who simply have been allowed by the Republi-CON party to control most of the wealth and ALL of the political power. Maybe we’re overdue for starting a THIRD party. Perhaps they should call it the MAJORITY party, because I’m certain the vast majority of the population of this country would prefer it over the 2 corrupt gangs we have at present!

    • theotherrhalf

      Why are you blaming this on progressives?

      The real fact is you have dirt bags everywhere.

      BTW my father was a marine, and was one of the most abusive men I’ve ever known. Hidden to most, but he beat the crap out of my brothers on a regular basis, nearly killed my mother a few times.
      And he was a conservative, “moral” upstanding in the community, church goin individual. So Mr. FF take off your blinders and realize that you make way too many assumptions about liberals, ows, and everyone else you mentioned.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “12AngryMen,”

      THIS ALLEGED STORY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PORNOGRAPHY. THIS ALLEGED INCIDENT WITH, Jerry Sandusky, TOOK PLACE IN A PUBLIC SETTING; ADULT ENTERTAINMENT IS UTILIZED IN A PRIVATE SETTING.

      CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

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