AND karolyn, I’ll tell ya another reason for OWS encampment, especially in the cities,… what better way is there to aid in the collapse of an capitalist economic system than to, camp out among business’s and thwart more business because they don’t want to be around OWS, the business’s have already suffered from a down turned economy!!__It’s not rocket science!

K, should’ve read “because customers don’t want to be around OWS”!

You mean like you do? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

K__ oh beg to differ__ the Tea Party is still alive and well, they’re just overshadowed right now in the Lebby news because of the OWS-ers reports on, burning cars, shooting and raping women, and getting fleas and tuberculosis!

Karolyn,

The ‘Tea Party’ folks are at Home responsibly raising their children, Working for a living to provide for themselves and their family and donating when they can to the more unfortunate, going to church to pray for God’s divine will, and Paying Taxes to pay for the Entitlement crowd including OWS and the greedy govt officials who are lining their pockets while putting debt on America.

Well said Angel and Christin. If you see my name on this site, then you have a member of the Tea Party on site also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai,

samurai, Hear Hear!_

Thanks to the both of you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

As I sit here smiling and chuckling as I type!

Are you still trying to walk on water SC? Don’t get a chill when you sink!

Yes, it’s called the FEDERAL RESERVE. Ever read up on the Fed? Try it, you’ll enjoy.

I traced it all back to Meyer Rotschilds (nee Bauer) to a pawn shop on Juden Street in Frankfurt during the reign of Prince William of Hanau in the mid-late 1700′s.
Meyer Bauer stole a fortune from the Prince and absconded to London and changed his name…
Believe me, I know the whole story.

Actually he served with the 69th Rump Rangers, San Francisco Batallion. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

So weird that none of you ever have any cogent rejoinders to what I write.

If you are going to brag about your “cogent” points, please make them. At least you recognize that Ronald Reagan did our nation a disservice. Obama IS the black Reagan – enabling the rich to take from the poor.

Actually, it’s : Enabling the Government to take from EVERYBODY that is the real problem.

Because what you write so all over the board senseless it isn’t concievable to try and address it. Might as well try talking to a monkey.

NOT everybody– What is the ‘fair share’ the leeches are paying?

Sharon says:
November 12, 2011 at 10:22 am
NOT everybody– What is the ‘fair share’ the leeches are paying

The “leeches” don’t seem to be paying much. They’re all down at Wall Street, or sitting in Congress.

…or in fat Wall Street offices!

eddie47d says:
November 12, 2011 at 11:40 am

…or in fat Wall Street offices!

Right, sitting there with their bought and paid for Congressman…
Get the Government OUT of business and the Federal Reserve OUT of the money printing business…then maybe we’ll have a level playing field.

Since the majority of our corporations and some businesses are part and parcel of crony capitalism then you have one heck of an up hill battle. You have to be willing to take on your friends in high places(Wall Street) also in order to achieve that goal of yours.

My goal posts don’t include communism or crony capitalism.
They are part of the same disease.
I’m an American Constitutionalist…look it up.

No one will respond to you, other then you are fool. You apparently have not been taught the true history of our wars. You sound like a young snot nose kid.

JC, I think the resident Liberals on PLD needs a good healthy, STHU today!

Maybe, but some days they are pretty amusing, don’t ya think? lol

JC, Man they are out in force on this vid, Ben really must have p*ssed them off with it!!!! ;P

If they are angry, it is because they know we know them as nothing but trash. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

What you say is so true yet these young fools have not been taught anything near that truth. In reality they haven’t the slightest idea as to what prompted WWII as well as what the end results may have been if “Fat Man” and “Little Boy” had not been used. If only they could – by some remote chance – even comprehend how terrible invading Japan would’ve been over using two nukes. Again, you are right.

It would be better to get rid of all paid-political persons. Repubs and Dems BOTH depend on money from the wealthy – so they do what the wealthy want.

Democracy is paralyzed by money.

So, r, WHY do you have to be REMINDED that America is supposed to be a REPUBLIC – not a frickin’ democracy? You should go to the head of the line for Obummer’s half-assed healthcare. That first brain transplant you got didn’t work. Now you have something in common with one of your political ‘gods’ – Al “duh” Gore.
Give it a rest, comrade. Or, take more Prozac.

I thought SC bought out the nations Prozac supply? That ought to bring down the debt a bit.

sc, it appears you have picked up that parasitic cling-on again.

And ed-duh has bought up all the viagra, so what’s your point? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

rondo, no on is a terrorist here, with the exception of you, your kind aids and albeits them, example..Fast and Furious —anyone?!

Since you have never met one or dealt with one, I’ll let your stupidity slide this one time. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

You too! And get a book that does it in pre-1940′s terms, informtion and definitions. Rum Beaux.

“Dude” you keep telling everyone to study the ‘isms’ before writing about them…well, enlighten us because you haven’t defined them according to ronbo and we all await with bated breath to hear your pearls of wisdom. Come on, dude, give us the joke of the day, we can’t wait.

You forgot some others that are hurting our country:

secularism
atheism
progressiveism

These are just a few, but you get my drift. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Ronbooboo, LOL, you are almost as laughable as Erika. You obviously depend on Huffpost & MSNBC as your two most vital sources of information. LOL!!! If you are so well versed in the various “isms” that you listed would you please tell use something we don’t already know so we can get another good belly laugh. . LOL!!

Ye gods, r. You’re making me appreciate little e from Colorado. He RARELY makes sense, but he makes more sense than YOU, comrade. You should keep a diary, and find a way to have easy access to every dumbed-down, borderline remark you ever posted to this website. Do you go through life wearing a mask so no one will recognize you? Get help, sock puppet.

Thanks for the half hearted compliment SC but I seriously doubt if I’ll be hanging it on the wall or be using it as a reference. You are definitely one strange bird!

Last time I looked, Ronbo, we are still in that economic freefall…when did it stop????

rondo Oh yeah, the economy’s doing great!__ and all is well in the land of OZ!__Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain,… my God you Libs are wacked!!!

Are you smoking lib crack? Come up here to Elkhart, Indiana and say that nonsense. We’ve been at 10% – 11% unemployment and hasn’t changed one iota. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

The welfare class has zero power. Don’t lie and deceive. Communism?!? Dude, your education was poor – at best. Learn the difference between the “isms” before you misuse them. No one is talking about centralized production; just shows how uneducated you truly are.

Now go google “Obama, CIA and Business International Corporation”. It will show you how you are being misled about Obama; he is a member of the 1% and is working to turn Social Security over to the 1%. We agree that Obama must go. Obama is a trojan-horse republican. Just google and read.

r, you did it again! Do you get PAID to spout this pig sty crap? You expect us to believe that we should support that W H poser, and in the same breath you DARE to say that Obummer must “go.” That’s a new way to prove that you’re double-minded
shill. Someone needs to notify your parents that you escaped from the asylum.

The truth is important. No abount of insults and ignorance from you will change that. But, it does show how poorly you are educated. The more you post, the more people question your intelligence.

Obama is a trojan-horse Republican. Google “Obama, CIA and Business Intelligence Corporation”. He is working for the 1%. Look at what he has actually done (not “said”, words are cheap) – extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich, passed mandatory payments from all Americans to Health Insurance Companies, extended republican-started wars, exported torture to overseas countries, expanded drone killing, assassinated Americans without habeus corpus, stopped all investigation of: bankers, financial investors, etc…. He may talk socialism; but, Obama signs Republican legislation.

Ronbo, you wouldn’t know truth or logic if slapped you in the head.
You and your kind are all ideologically driven emotional wrecks who want to be taken care of by some Mommy figure.

Each week several posters say there is no difference between the Republicans and the Democrats. Even the founder of this site has said so so why would you continually dispute anyone who sees this light. Instead of remaining in one sided darkness you need to explore other possibilities in search for the truth.

Ranbo . . . 99% is laughable . . . maybe 9%, these folks are mostly the hand-out crowd. The more they talk the more they demonstrate they don’t have a clue . . . incidently, just like the clown in the WH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded

Strange how you misuse the internet…we already know odummer is a COMMUNIST and we already know the difference between communism and freedom. You have the right to say what you want because folks like by dad, brother, uncles, cousins put their lives on the line, but it’s a safe bet you haven’t. You also contradict yourself saying that your messiah is one of you, yet he must go–well, which is it? He’s out-lived your usefulness so now you want to dump him???? A republican trojan horse? Let’s see, I think that phrase came up a short time ago by one of those yellow journalists who was spouting off in favor or the liberals because they fear the next election may put someone else in the Oval Office. And by the way, Ronbo, the term trojan horse was used in a derogatory manner to describe your messiah; a little unkind of the liberal media wouldn’t you say.

Actually, the welfare class has a lot of power at the ballot box. Since libs, like Obama bin Laden, don’t believe in taking away there welfare checks and getting them to work, they’ll vote lib every time. Remember, voting is a powerful weapon. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Bless you. Can I get a Amen.

Amen!

Amen,Amen,Amen!!!!!

WELL SAID!!! MY question is, WHERE ARE THE WATER CANNONS? Why aren’t they arresting these people? The First Amendment CLEARLY STATES–Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the people PEACEABLY TO ASSEMBLE, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

These people are NOT ‘PEACEABLY’ assembling…they are destroying property, urinating in public, and OTHER things, there is rape, drug use, robbery, CHILD ENDANGERMENT for those ‘parents’ who allow their small, minor children to be there, they are vandalizing neighborhood businesses…WHERE ARE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS?!!! If THEY won’t do their jobs…SEND IN THE NATIONAL GUARDSMEN!!! I’m TELLING you, these OWS people are BULLIES…I’ve always been told, that when YOU stand up TO the bullies, they always back down, because THEY are a big chicken. Maybe WE THE PEOPLE should run them OUT of these cities, if the Mayors and law enforcement aren’t going to do their jobs…JUST SAYIN’.

No the bullies are on Wall Street but I don’t see YOU protesting their actions or lack of accountability on the financial downgrade of America. OWS is also protesting all corporations who have gotten a free ride off our easily manipulated system including GE.So don’t be so naive because the problems are multi faceted including Washington itself.

e, those OWSer retards don’t get it. IF they DID, they’d be camped out in front of the W H! FYI – since you CAN’T get it into that concrete head of yours, the head of GE IS IN BED WITH YOUR WHITE HOUSE ‘GOD.” HOW is it possible that GE can GET AWAY with paying ZERO TAXES?
e, you came to this website clueless, and you’re still CLUELESS. Don’t dare to preach or bitch and moan when you violate your own “standards,” bubba.
Losers back in the ’60s didn’t get it, and their mutated sons and daughters don’t get it NOW.
By the way, no more semi-compliments for you. You’re oxygen deprived, and you need to move to a lower altitude so your head can get some functional air, comrade. Oh, the look on your face when the mask comes off Obummer. You might consider wearing a diaper when it happens.

Your so cute SC when you are mad. Dang it, you are always mad !! I don’t control GE anymore than you do so stop with the phony bluster.It could also be said that Walmart has cheapened America (I don’t shop there). Not everyone thinks they are good and not everyone things they are bad. For now that is the way things are. We can challange companies to do right and it’s a slow up hill battle. Sometimes we win and sometimes we lose.

Sook Young went to Washington for a couple of days to protest the current administration and call for his impeachment, so does this count for your “protesting” remark? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

eddledy-addledy – Gee, remember what I wrote the other day about you coming down on the side of the “Occupiers”?
And you so glibly responded that I, ME, MIKE was the fugitive from a mental institution? Like you’d have nothing, never, ever-at-all to do with the sentiments of the OWS loonier-than-thou crowd, no crud.

HAVE YOU NO SHAME? (Did you clean your bedroom yet?)

Well said, fellow patriot! Let’s see how these lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxists respond to that one. Maybe the same classic lib strategies of name calling, using the race card, or changing the subject due to having no intelligence on the subject at hand. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

AND…they chose a DOG to be their leader. HMMMM!!! REALLY?!!! Shows you how stupid they REALLY are.

That dog just happens to be the most intelliget spokesperson they could find…..and he only had three demands:
1. Feed and water me
2. Pet me occasionally
3. Give me a place to relieve myself

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

So, Mark, you think it is perfectly alright for these “peaceful” members of OWS to rape, murder, and otherwise harm those who do not want to be involved but find they have to cut through the OWS filthy muck in order to get to work? And it’s perfectly alright for these mobsters to defecate in public on police cars or wherever they wish so they can spread more disease? And it’s perfectly alright for these mobsters to use filth laden language that is socially UNACCEPTABLE under any circumstance? My, what a kind citizen you are. Quite frankly, you are as psychologically unfit as they are.

You can’t judge the whole by the behavior of a few. Just like in Oakland where the true protesters came back the day after the riots and cleaned up grafitti and garbage. There will always be the few, possibly even people from the opposition, who will strive to disrupt. It would not be surprising if it was righties (paid Koch employees) who did the damage just to put the demonstrators in a bad light. Conservatives always say that when the shoe is on the other foot.

It only takes one bad apple to spoil the whole barrel Karolyn. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

P.S. Care to cite a source showing that the Kock Brothers are in anyway involved in this?

Thank you, Eddie, and I DO enjoy your many posts.

It is crazy all these libirals can talk about is the corp greed being so bad and they want a bigger pice of the pie. Do any of them have a retiment plan or 401? The biggest part of all big corp.s belongs to the small stock holders so if they make big pofits its not just the (fat cats) that benifit but every one that owns stock in the corp. If the governmnt would stop taking so much hese big “evil” corps could grow and when big “evil corps grow they have to hire more people and surprize there are more pies to go around. Government spending only drains the economey becase the government cannot creat wealth

Earth to Ranbo . . . what caused the Global Meltdown? Mortgages, worthless mortgages packaged in derivitives by Fannie/Freddia and fenced all over the world by Wall Street. So the OWS loons blame the Messenger (Wall Street) and give the Govt that conceived of the Mortgage Scam a pass??? This all started in the mid-nineties, when the Klinton Regeme adjusted the Comm Reinvestment Act or Mortgages for ALL . . . trillions in worthless mortgages created the housing bubble . . . it BURST and even you know the rest.
The is a GOVT CREATED DEPRESSION . . . and you can not Spend or Print you way out of it, FDR proved that in the 30′s.

Could not have said it better myself, Dale.

Didn’t Obama bin Laden already do that with our tax dollars? Neeeeed to get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Maureen, we can’t get out of this Depression if the public has no money to spend. The top 1% have amassed half of all the wealth in this nation and they aren’t spending it. As a result, our economy is failing. The politicians, by restricting spending are throwing us deeper into the Depression. No one ever reversed a Depression by cutting spending – as reduced spending is what threw us into the depression in the first place. No business EVER hired a person because spending was down. Only demand for products triggers companys to hire. Reduced spending = reduced demand = reduced hiring = extending the Depression. Use your noggin’ and stop parroting TV nitwits.

Ronbo, Why would the rich want others to be poor? If the rich hold on to the wealth and let no-one else have any, then eventually they will make no more money, because no-one will be able to buy their products. So what you said makes no sense. The rich want others to have more money too, so that others will spend money on their businesses and products.

The rich may not really want everybody to be poor, but what they do want is for everybody else to stay where they are, so they can remain firmly planted on their backs.

Nice rhetoric, lies, and innuendo there Karolyn. Do you know this for a fact or is this just your opinion? If the rich people own industries that manufacture products for the consumers to buy, why would they not want the people to have money? If they have no money, they can’t buy anything. If the people can’t buy anything, they make no money. If they make no money, then they will become poor and penniless also. Ergo, everyone would be poor and depending on the government for daily support. Wait a minute! That’s what the libs want! To become a socialist state. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai – I didn’t say they didn’t want anybody to have any money. I just said they want to keep us all in our place.

Oh, I don’t know Karolyn. I’m sure ther are wealthy individuals out there that donate money for training the masses for work skills aren’t there? Many of them also donate to charities that help pay hospital bills that the average person cannot afford to pay. If this is keeping us in our place, I would hate to see the other side. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

You are correct that a reduction in spending hampers recovery from a recession, but this applies to the people’s spending not the government’s. Increaing spending (another “Stimulus” plan) was the Obama Jobs and Tax Plan. This “plan” is nothing more than yet another strategy in the larger attempt to drag this country back to the glory days of the socialist Democratic Party – The Great Depression. The Obama tax plan is simply legislation to redistribute wealth and accumulate power in the central government – socialism. With the economy teetering on the brink of a double dip of the Great Recession this is not what the American people want to hear much less experience. We’ve been there, done that, got the t-shirt in the 1930’s. Blow the dust off this nonsense and the yellow stains and odor of the whiz history took on similar legislation in 1932 comes back with a vengeance. Henry Morgenthau Jr., FDR’s treasury secretary wrote in his diary that, “we have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work… We have never made good on our promises… I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started… and an enormous debt to boot!” The top income tax bracket zoomed from 24% in 1932 to 90% by the end of 1933. In short the New Deal was not simply a dismal failure, but exacerbated a bad economic down-turn into The Great Depression and prevented recovery until WWII. The WPA was rife with corruption and inefficiency, destroyed half as many jobs in the private sector as it created in the public sector, and simply destroyed many private sector employers. These are the models of the Obama tax and job plans! If you have no original worthwhile ideas of your own, at least copy ideas of those who were successful, like Ronald Reagan. His tax plan was to cut taxes, reduce the size and burden of government. It was so successful a jobs plan wasn’t needed. Starting WWIII is not an option I hope you will consider, though it shows more promise than the Obama plans.

Don’t worry about WWIII. Im sure they have a plan for that after all how else do they really make head way in the population reduction department?

Ronbo -
Your post is all Keynsian sludge – which, incidently, he mostly repudiated (resulting in his fall to disfavor on the left) when he was older and wiser. But, lefties in academe’ still teach it because they like to wallow in sludge and want you to like it, too…and feel intellectual.
The worst part is they never include the part about what happens to a dollar the government takes away for its great works. It works kinda like this (oversimplified): The government takes a dollar of somebody’s profit, or need in some cases – they don’t care. Anyway, they take the dollar and give back $.25 to the people who paid for their campaigns. Then they pass out $.40 to pay for entitlements and social programs which are mostly used on consumables with little payback. About $.20 goes to DoD and a nickel disappears somwhere in washington bars, alleys and pockets. Next they pass the left-overs through up to eight administraters which costs about $.01 per hand. That leaves about $.02 to return to the states for necessary programs.
Knowing nobody is going to like so little being spent on needful projects they borrow about $.15 in order to be able to argue about how to spend it and look busy – $.05 of this too disappears in Washington bars, alleys and pockets. (Lately, The Fed has taken to just printing money while charging the government for printing. But, no one knows how much).
So, there’s lots of money getting out to many different hands and ending up being spent – by somebody – somewhere. It isn’t a problem of money being in somebody’s hand in the “public shpere”. Is it???
Or, is it? Where’d it all go? Bush with TARP? Obama with all his spending should have resulted in a huge economic jump…it didn’t.
Why not? Bankers can’t have it all.
kWhy weren’t there records kept about where it went? Who’s accountable for it?
And YOU want more and BIGGER government? What a sucker.

Earth to Ronbo…Earth to Ronbo….
It’s time for your re-entry to earth. Please place your tray in the upright position, extinguish all “smoking” materials and pay close attention to your landing intructions provided in the link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY8LKII_MNA

We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem.
Douglas Adams

Ronbo, that’s the most intelligent argument I’ve seen in a long time, albeit not ENTIRELY correct.

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First and foremost, money isn’t wealth. Money is a medium of exchange, and hoarding it doesn’t make you wealthy.

If you take the idea of three men, each with a product to offer, one with an apple, one with an orange, and one with a lemon, then we have the means for trade. The apple man visits the orange man and offers to barter. The orange man is happy to give his orange, but he doesn’t really want an apple, so the apple man gives him a token that represents the value of one apple. The orange man then takes the token given to him and visits the man with the lemon, and he uses the token with the value of one apple to trade for the lemon. The lemon man, in turn, takes the token and trades it to the apple man for the original apple, or apple value, traded for the orange.

In the terms of a barter, money isn’t necessary. A negotiation could have been reached instead. The apple man could have said to the orange man, “well, if you would prefer a lemon, give me the orange now. I will trade my apple to the man with the lemon and return the lemon to you when I conclude that transaction.”
What the money does, in reality, is facilitate a barter that is complicated by distance, time, incompatibility of wants, etc. But it isn’t NECESSARY. It’s just a convenience. And if you take away all the lemons, oranges, and apples, the token wouldn’t be worth anything at all. If the apple and orange guy were unwilling to accept the token, then to the lemon guy, the token isn’t worth anything at all. If the guy who got the token finds a way to reproduce the token multiple times over, their cumulative worth can never exceed that of the products available.

The real wealth is the apple, the orange, and the lemon. Money is nothing. It just facilitates complicated barters.

This, of course, is a very finite example to explain the principle. However, the principle remains unchanged even when you add in inflation, larger quantities of money, hundreds of products, loans, interest, etc. It’s just more difficult to follow the path the money takes.

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Second, it is a fact that the Great Depression was put to an end by a federal budget cut of 60% and a tax cut of 30%.

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Third, it is not the hoarding of money that is causing our recession. We do not have a depression as of yet. In a depression, the price of everything falls. Prices, in other words, are “depressed.” Businesses make less on what they sell, are forced to lay people off, and eventually close their doors when their revenue can’t meet their obligations. Depressions result from easy credit and suppressed interest rates. The bubble caused by these factors inflates everything beyond their reasonable scope, and when the bubble bursts, things like the depression are the result as prices, wages, etc. try to correct themselves.

Our Great Depression was the result of loose monetary policy, much like the housing bubble in our own day. People were investing in the stock market. Loans were easy, so they used borrowed funds. They traded on margin, meaning that they didn’t buy stocks 100%, but put down a minimum amount, or percentage, of the stock’s value at the time they purchased it. This is the margin.
When the Federal Reserve, for reasons that vary by opinion, raised interest rates, borrowing stopped. There was a dip in the market. The dip triggered a panic and the dip got worse. It stabilized for about a month or so while those heavily invested tried to straighten out the mess. Then the margin requirements were raised. Between the loss in value and the increased margin requirements, many investors were forced to sell their holdings in order to cover loses. The liquidation made the dip worse. Then the panic set in fully, there was a mass sell off as people tried to preserve SOMETHING in the midst of the downswing.

The result of it all was the crash of ’29.

With people in a situation where they had less money available, and with industry outshadowing agriculture (making money necessary to acquire products and services since they had only labor to trade, and not products), people saved what they could. They bought the best deals they could find. Businesses couldn’t sell their wares. Prices started to drop. People still weren’t spending, because they didn’t have much to spend in the first place. Prices dropped some more. Businesses couldn’t make payroll because they weren’t bringing in the revenue, so people lost their jobs. The spending, as a result, dropped still more. Prices were lowered again. Businesses started going out of business. And so on the story goes.

So a depression isn’t caused by the investors hoarding their money or by a lack of government spending. Depressions are caused by a lack of consumer captial, caused by the low and middle class being robbed of the value and remuneration of their earnings through inflation, government intervention, and bad monetary policies.

That’s why they keep up with the stimulus packages and quantitative easing. They are trying to keep the money machine alive. They are trying to put money into the hands of the people, since it would seem that a lack of consumer spending is the problem. But all it’s doing is causing sticky wages and sticky prices, and it’s doing it at the expense of the tax payers who have to fund these programs in the first place. Therefore, it is doing the exact opposite of what is needed. To fix this recession, it is unfortunately necessary that we first have a depression in order to allow the market to naturally correct the inflation and bring products, services, and capital back into near equilibrium.

The average citizen needs more of his real earnings in his pocket to spend in his local economy at a fair, free, and market determined price. Instead, the government is printing money, which makes what little he has worth less. This translates into fewer products purchased at higher prices and more saving “for a rainy day,” since we can’t be careless with what little we have, and we know it will only go so far. The government is also trying like crazy to raise taxes to cover all the new programs, which is just a transfer of funds from one man to another. These taxes likewise reduce his earnings, resulting in lesser spending.

In short, they are doing exactly what they did in the 30s and 40s, and it isn’t going to work now any more than it did then.

So don’t blame the 1/10th of the 1% of the 1%. The problem is that we aren’t getting fair compensation for our labor relative to the cost of goods in the market place, which are inflated because of government monetary policy and interference. Our spending has been restricted by our own selves because we all see how dear things are beginning to cost, and because none of us is sure what’s coming next.

Similarly, don’t blame the proposed measures by some members of congress to restrict government spending. Governments don’t have money. They only have what they borrow, or what they take from us. And their spending just exacerbates the problem.

This topic is very complicated. Your answer isn’t far off, but there’s much more to it than what you’ve said. And government spending has nothing to do with the solution.

Ronbo,
Rethink your ideas please. You can’t spend your way into prosparity the same way you can’t borrow your way out of debt. Obama is doing his best to borrow us into a hole we can never get out of. Having owned a business before I can tell you this, if you don’t make a profit, you cannot expand your business, which inturn creats jobs, which in turn brings in more money so you can expand your business so you can hire more employees. You must be able to sell your product or service, to make a profit, to expand to hire more and it just goes on from there. If in the meantime you make enough to put some money in the bank to save for what you want so be it. The business owner does not have to share everything he makes with all of his employees. He pays them for their work but when it comes to the business, it is the business owner that takes all the chances and all the risks, so if he gets rich over the years why should you or anyone else condem him? You go out and start a business and you take al the chances and you get rich over time and I will guarentee that you will see things differently. If you can’t find a job right now perhapes it is time for you to look to a different venue and get some training in something else, instead of blaming everything on the rich. Our situation in this country is a lot more complexed than that !

Great answer, but I’m affraid he lacks the capacity to understand. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

NeoCons are GREAT at talking the talk – on & on – when they had the trifecta they did exactly NOTHING – allowed war crimes and false pretexts for militancy to go unchecked

“Let no one deceive you with MT words for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those that are disobedient” Eph 5:6

have you even studied the bible? i guess not!

And?

Mark Dabney…. and what has your Liberal Pack of lying Wolves done to benefit the US, thus far while they had control___particularly?__Besides the further destruction of the US__I gotta lol on that one!!!

Actually, it says: “Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.” Hasn’t the lib, gay loving, baby killing marxists and Obama bin Laden been talking to us with vain words? Couldn’t this country be getting punished by God due to the ways our country has been backsliding? Couldn’t Obama bin Laden be a curse on our country from God to get us to wake up and get back to the Christian values and founding we were based on? Couldn’t this also be a wake up call for us to get back to God and accept Jesus as our personal savior? Neeeeed to get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

So true samurai, for years we’ve told God to get out of our schools, our public buildings, and out lives, maybe this time he listened….and you can see by the state of our affairs, JUST HOW WELL MAN RUNS THINGS, RIGHT INTO THE GROUND!!!!__I for one would welcome GOD back with open arms, we need HIM now more than ever!

Very true! Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

You are right on samurai ! I agree !

Thank you Granny Mae. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I think, therefore I vote Republican, even though I support a family on less than $22,000 a year, Hardly rich. Matter of fact, I have alot of Republican friends, none of whom are rich. Just smart.

JJR,
As you well know you are not alone. I am far from rich but we get by.

JJR & Granny Mae,

I don’t know ANY rich Republicans. Some of my relatives were “comfortable” because of their education & decent choices they made but most struggled like I do. I get sick of hearing about the rich Republicans in Congress when there are more wealthy Dumbocraps! Also, Republicans are more charitable than the Dumbocraps.

Tinwarble (who used to post on this site but got tired of beating dead “donkeys”) & I have NEVER made TOGETHER as much as the average income for ONE PERSON & we work 12-20 hours per day at least 6 days per week. That’s because in my business, there is only so much we can do in one day & we are paid a specific amount per order regardless of how long it takes to complete & we have a 24-48 hour deadline to do our work for several large companies. Since our business depends on the real estate market, it has always been like a roller coaster…feast or famine & our field is so competitive that we can’t raise our fees. If we do, our customers will just find another sucker who’s trying to survive!

EVERYTHING except our fees is increasing. Everything we buy, all of our office supplies, business services & expenses, land line for our fax, our food, gas, utilities etc. has doubled since O’Dumbo took office; so we’re spending twice as much on less income because our business has decreased. Some of our customers have closed & some idiots have outsourced their business to India & Pakistan! Don’t even get me started on that can of worms…thank you, Bank of America! So JJR, we’re right there with you!

God Bless You & God Bless This Country!

be more specific on the word fool,fleas or tea’s

Dems, we know your thoughts time after time. It’s a broken record, like a gnat in your ear or a biting flea. Of all places, you’re trying to disturb good people in a Conservative site. Just like fleas, to jump into a place where they are not welcome and start biting, just like all the Communis-Pinko-Islamo-Fascist B.S. GO PUT YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND ELSEWHERE.

Alex it is YOU who drink the kool-aid. We need jobs. Who hires because of reduced spending? No one. Reducing government spending throws us deeper into this Depression. History and knowledge are important.

The Republicans ARE actively stalling the economy. Who is it that opposed the bill providing tax breaks for hiring veterans? A: the Republicans in the House. That is heartless. Those veterans risked their lives and health for our nation; they deserve jobs, not political stunts.

r [aka 'Einstein'], I’d LOVE to get you on a lie detector for 5 minutes. I’d have you pissing all over yourself and puking in less than 3 of those 5 minutes, bubba.
The ONE way you have really characterized yourself on this website so far is your utter LACK of HISTORY and KNOWLEDGE. If ANYONE on this website specializes in squawking like a retarded parrot, IT”S YOU! If you’ve ever had an independent, researched opinion in your utopian life, you never brought it with you to this website, comrade. Whiz off, schmuck. Did you ever get your sorry arse out of the 8th grade?

I’d love to see you try to operate a lie detector. You can’t even get your tinker toys to connect!

And do lie detectors cause people to cry? You need to think more and spew less.

All SC does is Slash and Burn without binging anything to the table.It must make her feel good to wear that Mickey Mouse paid troll pin everyday.She thinks it gives her leadership quality and a Captain of her own army. Too bad she never brings up any facts or figures to back up her slop from the animal farm as she comes to work here everyday. She’s always claiming that her opinion walks on water and that she is the second coming. We hate to break her delusional button for I wouldn’t want her to sink and drown on her ego. Sometimes we just have to put up with her wanting this continuous 15 minutes of fame!

First, Ronbo I suggest you take some of you own advice, butthead. Second, sheesh ed-duh, who are you to claim someone posts no facts or sources when you, yourself, fail to do the same thing? Aren’t we being hypocritical? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Ronbo, I’m just a poor old Grandma but I understand what is meant by decreased spending. That would be decreased GOVERNMENT spending. We have far too many agencies creating far too many restrictions on people who make jobs! Do you know a little girl had to give up her lemonaide stand because she didn’t have a permit? Do you know people can’t sell vegetables from their garden unless they pay the government for inspection and permits? I could go on and on. Freedom used to mean that I was free to buy lemonaide from the neighbor kid and vegetables from my neighbor—I choose to take the chance that they might poison me or whatever. Half of the departments in D.C. could disappear and look out—-PEOPLE could invest their money, create jobs and pay people to work.

Elizabeth,
You are so right. We have restricted and limited licensed ourselves right out of business ! And still you will hear someone always say, they ought to make a law against that !!! You have hit the nail right on the head ! from one grandma to another !

Ronbo says:
November 12, 2011 at 8:32 am
Alex it is YOU who drink the kool-aid. We need jobs. Who hires because of reduced spending? No one. Reducing government spending throws us deeper into this Depression. History and knowledge are important.

History and Knowlege? You mean like the way the Soviet Union and it’s Government driven command economy collapsed? Obviously you don’t get that Government spending is the source of our problems…not the cure.
Government doesn’t have anything to spend that it didn’t STEAL in the first place. Here again we have an ideologically driven…moron.

Right, JC -
Russia and its Eastern Bloc empire imploded even though we were pouring $Millions and Millions (back when a million was worth a $BILLION) into the whole blood sucking enterprise. One of the most powerful things President Reagan did was just turn off our charity spigot. Then the socialist system swallowed its own tongue and choked on itself – just like Obama is choking this economy.
Of course, isn’t it interesting how quickly their system came to life when the freeloading, fleabagging Communist utopian paradise ate itself up from within. But, Rambeaux never was allowed to learn any of that in the intellectual desert where he was taught.

Mike these guys are driven by emotion and an ideology that they are just plain too stupid to accurately explain and have no concept of the consequences of their own stupidity. A pathetic and sad group of morons really.

Hey JC -
Thanks for the toot back. I’ve been thinkng about your response here. You talked about hem not being able to explain their ideology very well.
I have finally come to the conclusion that it is impossible to explain or elucidate a lie. You can use facts to refer to what you’e talking about and they seem to bolster one’s position, often. But, in fact most of their liberal “thinking” is like Eric Holder’s answers to Congress’ hearings last week re “Fast and Furious”.
There was a central lie which he attempted to cover over with half truths and some facts.
Ronbo is like that and other libs on this site. Their central thesis is a lie. But they construct a scaffold of facts and a facade of hopes, illegitimate social paradigms and assumptions around it thinking to conceal what’s at the heart. Principles, hard living-lessons and the wisdom of the ages they’ll have no truck with.
Well, I guess one can get away with that in academe’, working for government or doing anything where real accountability, meeting goals, resourcefulness and experimental successes are not tracked.

Have a good week.

That’s a pretty good analogy Mike.
Be Well

Ronbo…..may I recommend Economics in One Lesson to correct some of your big government thinking?

hey iam a vet and i agree we owe them something.but you cant give what you dont got REAL MONEY.get a life

“Those veterans risked their lives and health for our nation; they deserve jobs, not political stunts”. That, my dear, is why we want better than the temporary do-Nothing-except-rhetoric stuntS.

Rondo you twit, “Republicans aren’t actively stalling anything” you simple Liberal B*stards still have the main control and in like history before are making matters worse..Socialism doesn’t work!!!!!__Like everyone says on here__time to make that popping sound!___POP!!!

Well said, fellow patriot! I’m glad someone else here thinks their heads are firmly planted up their backsides. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I agree, there is stalling and it is all for political gain. How much does anyone want to bet–if a Republican is elected POTUS–see how fast the tables will turn and they will pass almost the same identical legislation on jobs that is trying to get accomplished now. I am fed up with the entire lot of these miserable self-gratifying monsters that are in office. It is a disgusting situation.

Tom said “We are dealing with the most corrupt regime in the history of this country,” Uh, read a little history, dude. It’s always been corrupt in some way.

Sheesh Karolyn. Why don’t you show us where Washington, Adams, Jefferson, etc were all corrupt? Care to cite a source on this or are we just talking out our arse again, hmmm? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I believe that is why he said MOST corrupt.

Karolyn,

Anytime you get politicians out of Chicago, you got corruption! It’s been that way for years and doesn’t look like it will change anytime soon. Can you say mofia ! I laugh because the majority of the country knows this, but some just close their eyes !

Alex! You are partially correct about the Republicans letting things go too far. Do you recall when President took office, he has a super-majority in both the house and the senate. During those TWO YEARS
his administration and the democratically controlled congress and Senate did nothing to fulfill his campaign promises. So far, gays in the military and a small token scale-down in Iraq. That, along with a recklessly laid out universal health care plan really sucks for a record of a president who claims to care for the country. Your defense of this Illegally elected tyrant did nothing to improve conditions that the Zionists continue to do to kill our sovereignty and our liberty. Money Bomb time! If you want to improve conditions in this country, get behind the money bomb! ‘Nuff said!

Have y’all ever noticed that conservatives try to discuss issues and liberals simply resort to name-calling?

SC proves you wrong every day! LOL

Really?Only the Democrats name call?I’ve seen no discussions here, only name calling and arguing….These people are saying horrible things to each other for NO reason, its a difference in Opinion but for some unless it’s theirs they become very hateful…Not very Christian-like if you ask me…..

It is true that both sides are name calling, but it is the conservatives and Tea Party that want us to get back to our Christian founding. The libs want us to be something like from The Communist Manifesto or Mein Kampf. Remember also, “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

We were not founded on Christianity Samauri…If we were there would be no Amendment that said freedom of Religion..And just so I have this straight, since the “Libs” don’t think like the Conservatives or the Tea Party it’s ok that they’re saying these horrible things?Religion has NO business in Government.PERIOD.END OF STORY.

Wrong answer Ashley. This country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, Biblical law taken directly from the Old and New Testiments, our laws based on the 10 Commandments (If you don’t know that one, then you know nothing about our founding.), and a deep, rich belief in nature and nature’s God.

“It is impossible to rightly govern without God and the Bible.”

George Washington.

“In the presence of the most Holy undivided Trinity…”

Treaty of Paris 1783

There are so many others, but so little time to tell a disbeliever or false believer, so look at these site and have your mind awakened:

http://www.americasfoundingfathers.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/a-christian-nation/
http://www.wallbuilders.com

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

You can also look at:

http://www.keepgodinamerica.com

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Ashley are you going to answer me? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802
Although Jefferson believed in a Creator,his concept was more of the God of Deism,Nature’s God.He rejected the superstitions and mysticisms of Christianity and even edited the Gospels leaving only what he believed was the correct moral philosphy of Jesus.Christians see God on things as if this was some proof of their Christianity but its not.They seem to completely forget that God can have many definitions ranging from nature to supernatural.As a matter of fact the quote on his memorial in DC that has God in it is actually aimed at attacking the tyranny of the Christian Clergy of Philadelphia.

BTW I don’t know why you keep quoting me the same thing…I haven’t judged anyone….If you’ve read the few comments I’ve posted I haven’t judged, name called, brought anyone down nothing….I’ve just stated my observations….which in my opinion, is how you should behave as an adult.

Ashly_ and you liberals come here and start with the Wah, Wah, Wahs about name calling, more Political Correct BS___your only trying to hijack the true nature of the debate with it, and we regulars here don’t buy it!!!! If you don’t like name calling or can’t handle heated PASSIONATE debating, then feel free NOT to participate in a Conservative Blog, if your have Liberal tendancies, WHAT YOU SEE, IS WHAT YOU GET!!!

You guys arent being passionate your being rude!Everyone, including the Liberals on the blog are doing exactly what you’re not supposed to do according to the blog rules stated above in regards to commenting…I’m assuming the filtering doesn’t work…..And you can’t tell me to get off a blog, I, unlike most read and gather information from BOTH sides so I’m fully prepared for any voting, discussions, etc….I have no interest in following only the party people perceive me to be in.You know nothing about me and cannot assume im a liberal b/c i don’t think its morally right to behave as some of you are.I would never attack someone for what they believe in, i haven’t done it here, or anywhere for that matter.I would never say my way of thinking is correct and thats that….That’d make me a Bigot…And unfortunately, there’s alot of that going on in here…

And as far as whining about name calling, my original comment was in regards to a lady that posted something about having a discussion and all the liberals do is name call…And all i said was in a nutshell that’s a bunch of BS b/c I’ve read every comment on here and everyone’s doing it….

Ashley, Darlin, A Revolution created this fine Republic of ours, blood was shed by our Ancestors & Patriots to have it, Ben Franklin said, “Its a Republic if you can keep it”__I would expect that a Revolution was a hell-of-a-lot worse, than a little bit of name calling on a blog, in a free speech society!_ We are trying to keep our Republic and debating helps!_ Because, You can bet your azz that ALOT of our leaders in DC, have staff that comb these blogs, both right and left, getting a feel of the American people’s sentiments about where the country is headed.__and your worried about a little name calling, puh-leese…..just sayin…Have good night!

Ashley, you are still wrong! Show me anywhere in the Constitution that says separation of church and state. It isn’t there. Bzzzzz you lose on that one. Second, don’t forget this one:

“In the presence of the most Holy, undivided Trinity…”

Treaty of Paris 1783

This shows that our country believes in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Or how about this one:

“The United States in Congress assembled…recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States…a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools.”

United States Congress 1782

Or how about this one:

“The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.”

John Adams

Or how about this last one:

“Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of The Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian…This is a Christian nation.”

U.S. Supreme Court decision of the Church of the Holy Trinity vs. United States, 1892.

How about on the Washington Monument?

“Holiness to the Lord.”
Exodus 28:26, 30:30, Isaiah 23:18, Zachariah 14:20

“Search the Scriptures.”
John 5:39

“The memory of the just is blessed.”
Proverbs 10:7

“May Heaven to this Union continue its beneficence.”

“In God We Trust.”

“Praise be to God.” (Engraved on the monument’s capstone in Latin as “Laus Deo.”)

All of these are on the Washington Monument. I guess your arguement falls flat on its face. You say freedom of religion. What they wanted was a nation that you can freely worship God in any way the people saw fit. Neeeeed to get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

In God We Trust wasn’t put on anything until 1954…In the Constitution it says:Amendment 1 – Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Are you saying that the above amendment is not saying there should be no seperation?
When the Constitution was submitted to the American public, “many pious people” complained that the document had slighted God, for it contained “no recognition of his mercies to us . . . or even of his existence.” The Constitution was reticent about religion for two reasons: first, many delegates were committed federalists, who believed that the power to legislate on religion, if it existed at all, lay within the domain of the state, not the national, governments; second, the delegates believed that it would be a tactical mistake to introduce such a politically controversial issue as religion into the Constitution. The only “religious clause” in the document–the proscription of religious tests as qualifications for federal office in Article Six–was intended to defuse controversy by disarming potential critics who might claim religious discrimination in eligibility for public office.
“As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?”
– John Adams, letter to FA Van der Kamp, December 27, 1816

Ashley your words”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ”

Do you actually understand what that phrase means?__What it means that America doesn’t SUPPORT OR have a STATE CHURCH SUCH AS ENGLAND DOES. That’s what wrong with this Country today, perception!!! and the ability to read and to interpet the Constitution properly.

And just for the record there is NO LAW SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IN THE CONSTITUTION

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=100766#Church and State

Good post and good site, Angel. I look at that site very often. Ashley, it may not have been added to our paper money till 1954, but it was put on our coins during the Civil War. They took so many requests for it in 1861 that by 1864 “In God We Trust” was seen on many of our coins. Here is the site to look for it:

http://www.americasfoundingfathers.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/a-christian-nation

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

WHO is crashing the economy so that he can “fundamentally transform America?” There is some new kind of mental illness that causes some kind of delusional thinking among progressives!!! Good Grief!

you are correct aunt jane…………and this is the kind of scum this *%^$^%% so and so in our oval office is behind!!!nothing but drug induced, rapist mindless pithetic devious cretins.

Christians are as horrible as the next…..
They’re nothing special just buy being Christian.
Christians, like every other group, are made up of saints and sinners, wonderful doctors and deplorable murderers, bankers, drug addicts, pedophiles, and nurses. Well, if you count catholics in with Christians the pedophile count goes up, huh?
God holds no special place for Christians, but loves truly anyone of any faith or of no faith at all.

so called christians have blown off they’re own feet,but a true follower and deciple of JESUS CHRIST does not act the way so-called christians do.as for God just loves everybody no matter what faith,if i remember my bible CHRIST hung on that cross so filthy people like me and you could be saved from a fiery eternal damnation.but it seems by your own words thats the place you will reside in.oh by the way all the pedophiles,murderers.rapists,lying presidents will be sent there.you will not be alone.repent Jesus is coming back and YOU will bow before him!!

Alex – You’re right!
God does love every one, no matter what faith or what they believe and live. You can look around you and see how well everybody believing and doing whatever they want works out. It is predictable that sooner or later man’s selfish nature and most of them doing ??.. whatever..??? would get pretty ugly – especially with a few billion all vying for the same things. Unless they do things His way it is impossible for it to not become a mess.
So, He gave us a set of instructions which says, “Here, if you want to do things right and workably with my help do these things.” Most people say, “No way. Those stupid rules don’t fit my style; I don’t see why I should be subject to what you – or anybody else – wants. So, shove it. You have no right to boss me or judge me… even if you are God.”
So, God figured, “OK. I’ll just keep records. When it all gets to world-wide chaos and they’re going to ruin MY world I’ll just hold court on everybody who has ever lived. Those who have proved they want to do it MY Way I’ll let stay around forever. Those who don’t… well, I gave ‘em a chance. They don’t want to do things the way it has to be for everything to go well for everybody. So, they’re outa’ here. Either they believe MY Word by doing it to the level My son did or at LEAST believe I raised him from the dead and let him be their supervisor/boss. If not, forget them.”
He loves them enough to give them a chance – even though they maybe don’t deserve it. But, this mess can’t continue forever.

Mike in MI.

Amen !

alex, as is the norm, Real Christians are getting the blame for every dirty deed that is done by people who call themselves Christian, those who really do not know what it take to make Christian. People who believe that CHRIST was a real person calls themselves Christian. But maybe you did not know that Satan could call himself Christian, too if that was the only requirement. Satan knows very well who CHRIST IS. Therefore we may relate Christians who are doing evil things with Satan, not CHRIST. True Christians will never deliberately do anything to dishonor JESUS CHRIST, such as in lying, stealing, harming anybody else in any way, we would never do anything to harm our country. We believe in first of all, proclaiming JESUS CHRIST AS THE SON OF GOD AND STRIVE TO LIVE AS WE KNOW HE WOULD HAVE US TO LIVE.

He does love them and Jesus loves them, but a non-Christian wil be told we love you, but then you will be thrown into the firey furnace. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

The Republicans don’t have much of a reputation anymore to gloat about. With a sickening low approval rating in Congress (yes lower than Democrats). Are you sure you want to use “any means” to further erode the mess you got us into? How about a novel idea of doing what is right to get America back on it’s feet instead of this continuous dog and pony show? If you can’t take responsibility for your share of the problems how can the public differentiate between the Republican Party and the Democrat Party?

eddie47d – “…how can they differentiate between…”
For the most part they can’t differentiate. Most of the Repubs and Dems went to the same brain rotting university systems as the members of the other party. So, one skull is all stuffed with the same sort of sludge as the other. They live in an environment advertizing hundreds of sludge signals per hour which few of them ever recieved any sort of countervailing, interlocking, coherent standards to countermand.
Ergo, their minds are constantly filled with the sort of low ideals and philosophies which are ultimately represented by the demands and behaviors evident in the “Occupy …” low-lifes.
If you agree with those demands, etc. there isn’t much separating you from the “Occupiers” and all they reveal about what the left looks like in its “human” products.
Obama’s present haunts would be the same, except servants sanitize what he defiles.

You’re all too negative to deserve Ronald Reagan’s shining city on the hill. Remember that Communism hasn’t been accepted in America for several generations. Only a few even toy with the idea and they are difficult to find. We have some on this site who make a false attempt to accuse 80 members of Congress of being Red. That in its self makes those folks who say so delusional and desperate in a search for enemies. So why do some of you keep pulling that unproven slander out of your bag of tricks? You all sound like a bunch of old John Birchers looking for a second coming of fear mongering.Communism was indeed a serious issue back in the 50′s and now it is barely on life support. Instead of fixing what is wrong with Capitalism and making it stronger(your doing a lousy job of it). You parade the commie card around like it has relevancy and somehow that will fix our present problems. You use this duck and cover routine because if you really had solutions they would be at the forefront. You wouldn’t be using all these false flag attacks(excuses)if that wasn’t true.

You’re not a very good propogandist eddie…back to Alinsky school for you.

At least I exposed your “duck and cover” routine and you play it well on occasion along with a few others. Bring forth your positive ideas or the commie name calling will get you no where and you will come across as the kooks.

More Alinsky crap and still not very good at it.

I forgot you are the one and only.

Child

Oh you mean like you libtars calling someone a racist because they didn’t vote for Obama bin Laden? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

You forgot to tell her to be careful about what she writes in those letters because the censors will read them first. Thanks for youyr servicer in “Nam” I was there too. ’70-71, 72-73 1st ID then 4th ID.

Oops got typing to fast should have been “your” and “service.”

Your being a vet does not justify telling people to leave THEIR country just because they don’t agree with YOU!

and your rolling over Karolyn, and assuming the the submissive position while choosing to look through the world in rose colored glasses, don’t make you any more American either!

Karolyn’s convoy just took a direct hit. She has smoke coming out her backside. Ha, ha, ha, ha! Good job, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Jeffh and Samurai___ROFLMAO!!!!

Sorry about my unprofessional language, but I had to say it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I fail to see where the Conservative press is doing much good either Cheryl. They only say what Republicans want to hear and leave out the whole truth. That also have a dizzy array of spin masters telling you what is right (at least accordingly to them).

Hey eddie and everyone else, news flash, the main stream media lies to everybody, you included. Almost all politicians are professional deceivers, they have violated their Constitutional oath and deserve to die a traitors death, they are unworthy of the urine expended if they were on fire, that goes double for the Kenyan pretender in chief!!!

The problem is government in general, not this side or that side but the whole rotten decaying thing. Untill everyone gets over this party driven, conservative or progessive, Dem or Repub, commie traitor BS, my side is better lunacy, there will never be an end, you are all puppets and are being played for a fool and by allowing yourself to be labeled, even clinging to and identifying with said label, you are participating in your own foolishness and ignorance therby assisting in the destruction of this once great nation.

As for the political crowd, there are only two sides to that coin, either you are an inside the beltway, District of Criminals traitor or you are a Constitution respecting true American. There is no longer room for in between party driven BS. It’s all or nothin, life or death for the USA.

Lee – Hit IT fast. Hit IT quick! Left in the solar plexus! Then, right hook to the ear. PHHLUMPHTH_ _ _ _

Goodadvice,Duffy!

Hooooorrrrraaaaahhhhh! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

He is also a liar, marxist, muslim, bilderberg, and is so far up Soros’ backside that for him to lead and be rational is a vertual impossibility. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Very true… I remember growing up in the 70s. Where is direction? Where is punishment that would have brought these brain dead people up better. You see, they had no direction. They were never punished, only told it was okay.
Myself??? I am blessed to have parents that beleived in moral direction and punishment for not following the right path. I received many a paddling when growing up, but I deserved it every time. I am a better person for it now.
Some moral direction and punishment is on its way for the fleakeepers.

Care to cite a source showing many of them are veterans or are we to take your word for it? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I jut posted 2 samurai. Scroll up.

Yes you have. I’ll lokk at them and get back with you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Yes, old hippies from the 60s and 70s.

MilitaryPatriot -
Obama’s bringing worse of everything – try biting cockroaches.

Hell, he’s a blood sucker himself.

MP, thanks for the great job you do, Defender.

Yes, Obama bin Laden is the biggest blood sucking leach in the world. Many of the progressives, to count Michelle, are a close second. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I think soap and water in the mouths of some of the “fleabaggers” would be a good thing too.

Time to call out the National Guard and tear gas these vermin. I’ve been to two Tea Party gatherings, and none of the killings, rapes, heroin dealings, and destruction of property like the occupiers have committed took place. And yet, Pigosi calls these slime true American heroes.

Right on! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

If you have ever been through downtown Atlanta on the interstate, you probably seen many of the fleabaggers with their tents and sleeping bags, living under the bridges. They have just moved into downtown for the chance of getting some food and money from Soros.

Jukebox: In all fairness, not all are those nasty OWS fleabaggers, some are homeless and you can’t blame them for their plight. Unfortunately, because of those selfish fleas, many of the homeless will go without food because the fleas will overwhelm the charitable soup lines. I’d rather take care of the homeless than any flea and I’m sure you would too.

Will you just listen to yourself? Is all this hatred coming from just listening to people like Ben Crystal? Why not try having a little more balance in your reading?

Recently in NYC the elitest OWS trust fund babys and other assorted whiners instructed their pro-
fessional chefs set up in a special tent to stop sharing food with the homeless. They are allowed to make weak hot cerial and give them that. Meanwhile Soros’s SS troops dine on organic veggies and free chicken.
Sounds like everybody except the poor folk are Napoleons straight out of Orwell’s Animal farm.

Seems like we have so many opinions on the rights of protesters and who is protesting or what they are protesting and whether they have a right to protest I would like to say one thing. If each state and city would set a time length as to how long a group could demonstrate or protest and guidelines as to whether there could be camping out and who is going to be responsible for the cost of cleaning up that mess. There should be permits issued for protests and demonstrations with clear instructions as to what is permitted and what is not. For instance you cannot camp out over night, you cannot destroy public or private property etc. Who ever is responsible for the permit is responsible for the damages and clean up costs ! When you allow people to camp out where there is no sanitary facilities and in a weather climate condusive to desease you are asking for trouble. Then again if you are trying to overthrow a country you will allow all of this to happen and in fact encourage it to happen so as to bring unrest and instability to the country . The more desease there is the more people that stand to die from desease and the fewer people those causing the unrest will have to deal with opposition ! Sounds sick, and it is ! But that is the way people think that want to over throw countries ! First you convince people that they are discriminated against, whether it be in wage earnings, education, home ownership or what ever. You have to convince them that they have a right to anything better than they already have or they have a right to something they don’t have even if they don’t want it. Then you create unrest for government, because after all it is government’s fault. Then you encourage anyone and everyone to protest in their favorite way, voice and actions, destruction and violence ! Anything to get arrested and make a sceen , then one day when it is all over with and it will be over with one day, you can use the resulting trouble, which by that time should and must be a major confrontation of and by the people on the street; who are despencible, so all can be seen on the news as see we told you so. All the time those who are actually responcible for everything are still hiding in the shadows. They will never get their hands visably dirty, and the rest of us sit back and wonder what the heck just happened ! It is time to clean up all the protesters and clean the cities up and fumigate everything.

Never work Grannie your ideas make too much sense.

Well said Granny Mae and welcome back. I haven’t seen you for awhile. It’s always good to have a person whose posts make perfect sense. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Yeah, the 60s and 70s, best time of my life!

Really? We thought the hippies were a filthy odd lot. Spouse used to say–”and to think, these will someday join the establishment and ruin our government.” Well—they did and they have.

CJM you hit the nail right square on the head. That’s what’s so disturbing about this fiasco of “useful idiots”.

Well Sirian you got one point right about Karolyn, idiot, but not useful. Next thing you know, she’ll get up behind her podium and start Christian and God bashing for this problem. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai – Just like you to jump in a lie. I never bash God, and I just call it like I see it about the ungodly ways of many Christians. I also just voice my spiritual views but do not bash Christianity. Just listen to yourself. I know you have never heard me call anyone a name. That is something I do not stoop to.

Well Karolyn I guees in all fairness you might want to balance out your comment by telling us what you know about all the good things that are done by Christian church organizations. You might start with bake sales to benefit the poor, or bottle drives to buy uniforms for scout troops , or passing the plate to help provide people in third word countries with potable water and medicines, or emergency relief for people caught in disasters…but you being an observer of Christian related activities can, I’m sure come up with many many more examples.

JC – Of course churches do good work. What does that have to do with anything I’ve said?

Karolyn, our 60′s girl… YOU LIE.

I have been a victim of YOUR rude name calling AND You have bashed Christianity PLENTY of times.

You’re right Karolyn, re-reading it my comment doesn’t connect with anything you’ve said here. I have seen you go after the Christian community a time or two for their apparent deviations from their own faith. That just makes them human like everybody else.

You don’t lie Karolyn? Ha, ha, ha, ha! That was funny. You mean the part about you saying that the Bible is just a bunch of myths and not true? That’s a big lie right there. Though I do agree with you about some “Christians”, but we know they are CINOs and nor real Christians. Neeeeed to get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

“It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.”

George Washington

Christin – I have NEVER called anyone a name on this site. Well, maybe once or twice I might have called someone a jerk because the said something offensive. As far as Christian bashing – nope! I may argue points but do not bash Christians. I only speak of their hypocrisy. I was one for a long time and do undeerstand. Most of the people I come into contact with on a daily basis are Christians – I live in the Bible Belt; and MOST of them are pretty good people. I just do not agree with the standard translation and interpretation of the Bible, especially some people’s interpretations, like woman should be subservient to man – That results in crimes against women in the long run.

That’s the wife being submissive to her husband, so how does thia affect the crime rate? People who commit such crimes are not Christian, but anarchists. Neeeeed to get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai – Did I not say certain interpretations of the Bible? It leads to the woman being subjugated and some men feeling that women are less than, leading to brutal treatment of women. And don’t bring the Muslims into this because we’re not talking about them. I am speaking of the general climate for women, which comes into being directly from the Bible, from it being a patriarchical society. Also from God being generally recognized as a man.

Need to get off of the kool aid Karolyn. If you also looked at the KJV, you would also see that not only does it say what I’ve posted, but also says that the man should love his wife and cherish her. I assume you have no problem with that? Put down the feminazi banner and learn what it really says before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai – When you talk about crimes against women, this is my territory; it’s what I do for a living. The reason we live in a “rape culture” is because of the subjugation of women and it being a patriarchical society, starting with God, who is generally recognized as being a man. That is the starting point! In societies who have an “earth mother” god, women are more respected. I am not a feminazi but someone looking for answers and trying to help those less fortunate than me.

That’s kind of hard to believe, since women have equal protection under the law and the same rights as written in the Constitution. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

P.S. Rapists and other dregs of society are anarchists and only care about themselves and no one else. Get off the women’s lib platform.

“I had hoped that liberal and enlightened thought would have reconciled the Christians so that thier religious fights wouldn’t endanger the peace of society.” George Washington
PS; George Washington, our first president, was a self proclaimed Deist, NOT a christian.

You lie IH. First, care to cite a source to back up that lie? Second, if he was a diest, why would he say these:

“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.”

“It’s impossible to rightly govern without God and the Bible.”

It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and to humbly implore His protection and favor.”

“True religion affords to government it’s surest support.”

Also, why would he say in a prayer,

“Oh, eternernal and everlasting God, direct my thoughts, words, and work. Wash away my sind in the immaculate blood of the Lamb and purge my heart by Thy Holy Spirit. Daily, frame me more and more in the likeness of Thy son, Jesus Christ, that living in Thy fear, and dying in Thy favor, I may in Thy appointed time botain the resurrection of the justified unto eternal life. Bless, O Lord, the whole race of mankind and let the world be filled with the knowledge of Thee and Thy son, Jesus Christ.”

If he were a deist, he would not believe in the Holy Spirit nor Jesus as his son. He was an Episcipalian (sp) and not a deist. Another lie from some loser atheist (KANG). FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Karolyn,… 60s & 70s, best time of your life?? no wonder your earlier post complained about others posting their thoughts regarding flea baggers. What about all the disease, hurt, sorrow that came from those times? Now we have rapes, theft,molestings, spread of disease both by multi-legged, as well as two legged bearers. Oh heavens yes truly a glorious time both then and now. GET REAL GIRL! These are serious, horrific times.

The times are whatever you focus on and see them to be. During the 60s and 70s, when I was in my teens and 20s, I was the most free ever in my whole life. We used to say “free, white and 21.” We enjoyed our lives and stood up for what we believed in. It was a time of getting “real,” honesty, and introspection. I can’t say that I would want to be 20 today. I am glad I was born when I was.

Yeah, 1967, the summer of love. I was in Vietnam. Great memories. I still have nightmares.

Roger that Tim. But Karolyn was “not looking” at that so it did not impact her psychy. Therefore it has no validity in her world. Long story short? Bad people do BAD things. As Scripture puts it…” By their fruits you shall know them…”. If you’re ignoring what’s going on in the world what does it say about the fruit you produce? Who does more for the abused…. the one who helps victims get over it? Or the ones who put their own lives on the line to STOP it? Someone is sadly lacking in perspective, courage, and common sense. I go.

Very true Ed, very true. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Me too. Acquired mine at Leatherneck Square in a line Company @ Con Thien and Khe Sahn, while the commie agent WJ Clinton was organizing riots in foreign lands commiting High Treason.

You are right, Mike in MI.

The Occupy ‘fleabaggers’ need a change of heart… washed by the blood of Jesus. Getting saved would make productive citizens out of the bunch, instead of the lawless (anarchist), useless (to constitutional America), sick, filth that they have become.

Top Down… Bottom Up… Inside Out… isn’t it great…

Yes, fairy tale messiahs are very important. Try praying to Batman or Darth Vader and see if the results aren’t the same.
Silly children.

What proof and evidence can you provide that shows atheism to be accurate and correct? We were founded a Christian nation, so get over the lies, rhetoric, and innuendo. You are 100% correct Christin, no matter what these children of satan tell you. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai – What proof or evidence can you supply that proves that the Bible is accurate? Were you there? You go by faith. Well, I am not an atheist; however, my beliefs about God and spirituality are by faith also.

If you are not an atheist Karolyn, you sure like to stick up for them. Remember this also:

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion (Christianity) and morality are indispensible.”

George Washington, Thanksgiving Proclamation 1789

Since Obama bin Laden, the OWS, and lib traitora and cowards don’t have these essencial elements, they will never lead this nation to prosperity. Only God and Jesus can do that. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Eric, If religions are all fairy tales then why are you liberals not bashing Islam and trashing the Koran? No balls? What will you do when confronted by a Christian soldier that has a “human” failing of not turning the other cheek?

Errorik, I think your mistaken. You can talk smack about Christianity but I would rather believe and live my life as if Christ is my Savior rather than not and find out on the other side what a grave bad call I made while living my human life. Listen to that little voice deep within your heart and may you find God’s blessing there.

Erik, your statement reminds me of when the communists were very active in Central American and supported by Cuba they had everyone in the early elementary grades take part in an experiment. They closed their eyes and prayed to God for candy. They were then told to open their eyes and they discovered there was no candy. Then they were told to close their eyes again and pray for candy but this time to pray to the glorious leader (whoever it was I have long forgotten). They again opened their eyes and found nothing. “This is because prayer doesn’t work” they were told and “You have to work to get anything you want in life” the communists told the children but because you did what we asked you to do in our little experiment our leader has generously allowed us to give each of you a little bag of candy to help you remember this lesson.

Of course this “experiment” was from the pit of hell designed to crush the spirit of those whose faith was slight or non-existent. God most assuredly does answer pray but one has to believe in Him first and know Him and love Him and seek to do His will where possible. He doesn’t listen to unrepentant sinners (all are sinners and anyone who says he does not sin is a liar!). But Christians know if they slip up they can turn to God and ask for grace and forgiveness and He will forgive them. God always forgives sin to a truly repentant soul who wants to be forgiven but there is much to learn that you have no inkling about.

I know God answers prayer and one of the biggest he answered for me was in 1993 when the IOC was deciding on whether the Olympics for Y2K should be in Australia or China. I was bothered about this and began to pray. I did not feel that China deserved this honor so soon after killing 3,500 of their own citizens, mostly students, who were protesting for freedom (they claim it was only 350 but Soviet records indicate it was closer to ten times that many). I am of course, talking about the Tian’anmen Square Massacre of 1989. I did not know what was best but I felt that China was not ready for such a privilege. Consequently each day for some time I prayed to Our Heavenly Father, asking in Jesus name, that He work out what was truly best in that situation. I cannot even tell you why it bothered me so much but what bothers God often bothers those who love Him too. I prayed for several weeks and then forgot about it. Several months passed and then it was announced that Australia had been selected for the Y2K Olympics. I was very pleased at that decision although I had not prayed for it specifically, only that God would work His will on the situation. Suddenly in my spirit I heard the Lord say, “Your prayers did that!” I was amazed! My prayers alone? How, I wondered. Surely there must have been someone else on the whole planet that was praying about this. It was then that it was announced that the committee was evenly split between China and Australia and just one member of the IOC had trouble making up his mind (I knew nothing about this at the time I prayed). Finally he decided and it was for Australia. Apparently I WAS the only one praying about this.

Now I know it’s not a big deal and there are far more important things in the world than the Olympics but I was fascinated that a relatively insignificant person like myself could bring about something like this with my prayers.(In God’s eyes none of us are insignificant). I have on other occasions prayed prayers that God answered and they have always been amazing but as a non-believer you simply could not believe the things I could tell you I have experienced because you have not experienced them. You will have, however, a treat in store someday if you ever discover that God is real and the power of prayer. Our life here on earth is an insignificant span of time regardless of how many years it lasts and there is (apparently) much that we can only learn here. I hope you don’t squander your life like so many seeking useless toys that are so transitory. God loves you as much as He loves anyone but pride and arrogance build a wall that even He has a hard time bridging. Still, if you ever decide to seek out the answer to the questions, “Does God exist? Does He love me? How can I be assured of salvation? What does He want from me? What can He do for me? What can I do for Him?” you will discover that which will make all the difference in your life and your future. There is no friend you can have greater than God. I’m still discovering that but I’m so glad I’m on the path I know is best for me. May God bless you and all who read this.

No reply from Erik? Just as I thought, a troll. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

God does need to be allowed back into these United States of America. The devil is alive and well …. and we the people have allowed him to indoctrinate our youth. This is our problem. We have to pray them home.

Erik,…There will be a time when you too will believe. I pray it wont be too late for you!

Mayor – YOU CANNOT TAKE GOD OUT OF A COUNTRY! God or universal intelligence just IS! Just because the schools don’t teach the Bible, and other symbols and words have been removed doesn’t mean that God is not here! I’ve said this before: You cannot remove faith from a person. If you feel children are not as good because God is not referenced in schools, you are wrong. That responsibility is one the parents. I don’t care what is on TV, on the internet, taught in schools, etc. the parents are ultimately responsible for how their children turn out.

Sorry Karolyn, but if a nation’s people do not worship God, then he is not there. Like it says in the Bible, “If two or more gather together in my name, I’m there also.” Ergo, if no one worships, prays, reads the Bible, or believes in God, then his presence isn’t there either. He is not in the people. I think that is what mayor was trying to say. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

“Verily, thus saith the Lord: It shall come to pass that every soul who forsaketh his sins and cometh unto me, and calleth on my name, and obeyeth my voice, and keepeth my commandments, shall see my face and know that I am;”

D&C 91:1.

Erik, you are the one that believe in Fairy Tales.

Christin, you are so right, if all the fleabaggers? were to get washed in the blood of JESUS CHRIST, that would end their lack of power to make sensible, good health, and Christian decisions.

I HAVE A DREAM: that everybody WHO wants to blame Christians with all the evil that is going on today, would read the Bible, discover what it is that makes a person, a Christian before they blame every vile deed on Christian. To call yourself a Christian does not make you a Christian anymore that calling yourself a tree makes you a tree. There are good sound GOD made rules that one has to live by to become a Christian. A true Christian DOES NOT BREAK GOD’S COMMANDMENTS. If you do not have a clue what these commandments are, you can find them in Exodus and Leviticus in the BIBLE. Read Matt 22:35-40, also

I respectfully disagree with you Evermyrtle. Not one amongst us is perfect, no not one. No matter how hard we try we all fail. If not for the blood of Jesus Christ we’d all be doomed to a pit of fire in hell. There but for the grace of God goeth I.
Judge not lest ye be judged….
We take God’s Grace…One Day at a Time and strive to do better. IMHO

Mayor_Bodacious_999

You are so right! We live under Grace! If we were living under the Law, we’d all be in serious trouble. If we could live a perfect life, there would’ve been no reason for Christ to die on the cross for our sins.

So you are ASSUMING none of them are Christians? I find that a little hard to believe, considering the cross-section of people who are involved, including veterans, who I thought all conservatives love without reservation. I guess I was wrong. You guys always throw everybody into one heap and cast your aspersions upon them all.

Including Veterans Karolyn????C’mon most Vets aren’t down with the OWS mindset, I’d wager a bet they’re OWS hippies, borrowing Vet fatigues/gear to give the impression they’re vets, do you always perceive every thing you see as truth?

Which ones are veterans and Christians, Karolyn? They are the ones protesting in Washington and San Diego for his impeachment. Neeeeed to get your facts straight before you post. No Christian in their right mind would support Obama bin Laden in the White House. The man even tried to impose a tax on Christmas Trees. Sheesh! What will the idiot do next? Ooops! I better not ask that question, due to possibly not liking the response from him. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Angel – Not too up on the news are you? I guess you hadn’t heard about the 2 vets who have been injured by police either.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/02/veterans-to-march-with-occupy-wall-street-protesters/

samurai – Nobody said ANY of the protestors are supporting Obama! Where have you been?
http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/11/11/352299/veterans-occupy-wall-street/

and Karolyn, two Vets does not the entire Military make, C’mon!

Re: Samurai, Maybe you’ve had different experiences but I’ve been around for quite a while and to tell you the truth I don’t see Christains as being any better or any worse than the average person in general.

Also, Obama does not have the power to tax anything.

There is a constant barrage of misinformation on this site. If you take the time to read this page from FactCheck .org (or go to the fact check site of your choice) you’ll find the truth about a lot of the things you may have heard or believe.

http://www.factcheck.org/hot-topics/

Fact check and snopes, are both Liberal skewed and like polls, are easily manipulated by either side to control the debate__ not worth the time!__:)

Re: Angelwannabe, Facts are facts. It may appear to you that they are “liberal skewed” because so much of what the right wing believes is not true. If you have evidence that the fact check sites are “easily manipulated”, I would appreciate you sending a link or whatever evidence you have.

I agree with you that the polls can be easily manipulated. You might have seen the HBO documentary about how easy it is to hack into the voting computers. The thing is though, the manufacurers of those machines are Republicans. Exit polls have always been, and still are in other countries, quite accurate until we started using computer voting and the inconsistanties have always favored the Republicans.

If you believe that you can’t trust the fact check sites, then where do you go to check your facts?

Sorry about the typo = “inconsistancies”.

Oh, come on, Angel! Don’t be ridiculous! I never said the military was involved in OWS. The obvious point I am TRYING to make is that there are people who even you would respect who are participating. Two vets have been injuured, one pretty badly, that’s all I said!

First, I know about the protests in Washington, due to my wife Sook Young attending them for a couple of days. You also say the Christians are no better than anyone else? I guess you are not a Christian are you? Second Karolyn, thanks for the cites. I’ll look at them and give you a response. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

P.S. Watch out Angel. The left wing extremists are out in force today.

Karolyn, Christians feel that we are not in any way perfect or superior to anyone else… We only state that we are forgiven of our sins by our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.

Karolyn,…I can love you and all those out there, but I do not love their activities.

They aren’t interested…the only thing they want is whatever YOU have worked hard to EARN (an alien word to them. Remember Krebbs’ aversion to work in the Dobie Gillis sitcom?). They want it all, but not the dignity of working for it.

Well said. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

So cliche! The same mantra over and over whithout really having any facts.

That may be true for some individuals but not for the huge majority of people. People need to be able to tell the difference between opinion and fact. I keep hearing that from the extreme right like yourself, but there is no evidence to back up the claim that Obama is taking away money from anybody to give to “people who don’t want to work for a living but want what you earned”. If you believe that please provide the evidence other than the fact the you have to pay your taxes. If you’re talking about wefare, don’t forget to include corporate welfare.

I’m not known for speaking without the facts. Here is the fact that Obama wants to spread the wealth around …

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZcEHLr4gBg

That, my friends, is taking from one to give to another.

Re: Alex Frazier, You have misinterpreted what he said and you haven’t shown any evidence of where that is actually happening today.

What he was talking about is that since 1980 the economy has doubled in size, but adjusting for inflation, most people’s wages have barely increased dispite the fact that Americans are working harder, longer and more efficiently than ever before. Where did that money go? Almost all the gains have gone to the super rich. The top 1% used to take home about 10% of total income. Now, it takes home more than 20% and the super rich now have about 40% of the nations wealth. All that money at the top has given the super rich lots of political power, especially power to lower their tax rates. Most of their income is capital gains, subject to only a 15% tax. According to the IRS the richest 400 Americans pay only 17%. This means huge budget deficits. Tax revenues are down to less than 15% of the total economy, the lowest in 60 years. So, public services are being cut at all levels of government. Our kids are being crowded into classrooms with more and more other children. Roads, bridges, levies, health care, safety nets are all being sacrificed. Instead of joining together for better wages and jobs, many people are so scared that they’re competing with other working people for the scraps that are left behind. So, we get union verses non-union, public employee verses private, native born verses immigrants. The vast middle class, unable to borrow as before no longer has the purchasing power needed to get the economy growing again, which means continued high unemployment and an anemic recovery. The only way we can have a strong economy is with a strong middle class.

Karolyn and talkingabout are full of crap. Who do you think set up the unconstitutional welfare programs that use tax dollars to support these people? It sure wasn’t the conservatives or GOP, now was it? If they can’t go by our founding principles of self reliance, personal responsibility, and the vigilance to ensure that government remains our servants and not our masters, then they are nor good Americans. If they need help, they can get help from charities, churches, and their family. My mother-in-law in Korea has no job and they have no social security for her there, so Sook Young and I send her some money every month, give some to my mother every month, and give money to various charities to help the downtrodden. We even give clothes to our church to give to the poor, work at our local Faith Mission on Saturdays feeding the poor, and many other things. All these things are from the heart and not the government. This is the ways that God and Jesus told us to do, not having those that have money be forced to pay for them with tax dollars. You 2 neeeeed to get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Re: Sumuria, I try to treat everybody I talk to with respect. Name calling does not make you sound intelligent.

I am not a fan of welfare and will not advocate for it. I do feel sorry for those who’ve tried to do everything right but still find themselves being needy and I am pissed about those who abuse and game the system. I pay taxes too.

Who set up the “unconstitutional welfare programs” that use tax dollars to support the corporations? Do you support corporate welfare? You must be aware of the big corporations that make billions of dollars and yet pay no taxes and some even get refunds while paying nothing. If welfare is unconstitutional, as you say, why hasn’t that been brought before the Supreme Court? For most of the Bush II years the Repubs were in complete control of all three branches of government. Why didn’t they outlaw things like welfare or abortion then? But, you’re changing the subject. Welfare was around long before Obama came to the presidency so that can’t be his doing.

It appears that either you are rich or they’ve got you advocating for them against yourself. The game is rigged and the middle class is losing. Class warfare has been going on for decades but it’s only called class wawfare when the middle class tries to defend itself. The middle class IS America and when that’s gone we will be a like a third world country – all rich and poor. Then we will surely be ripe for your socialist/communist fears.

What makes you think that when the Repubs get rid of unions and government workers that anything will improve for you or me. It’s more likely that they will start making the argument that you are making too much money and they can get stuff done in poorer countries much cheaper. Do you think they will have any loyalty to you?

Thinkinabout, sorry to bust your bubble, but Sook Young and I are a middle class family. We are rich in other areas than money. We are rich in friends, family, experiences, but not in money. Though both of us work, with 4 kids it is almost impossible to keep savings in the bank. Next, I do not advocate for the rich or corporate welfare. You are right that these things have been going on for longer than Obama bin Laden has been in office. It basically started under FDR, but it has outlived its usefulness and is, along with other social programs, is the bulk of our budget. Get rid of it and then we’ll have the money to pay towards our ever rising debt and be able to strengthen this country’s military, fight the problem of illegals, and many other things. Next, corporate welfare is not a good thing either, but I’ll bet that Obama bin Laden gave out more money on bailouts and loans than any other president in history. Next, my wife and I want this country to get back to the ways we were founded and to go by the Constitution, get rid of progressiveism, get rid of secular humanism, etc. I hope this answers your questions. As far as my tone, I tend to answer things straightly, directly, and bluntly so no one will not misunderstand where I stand on an issue. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

@talkinbout …

I didn’t misinterpret what he said. Actually, you misinterpreted who I was answering. That’s my fault for not clarifying myself. The post was to you.

CJM said “the only thing they want is whatever YOU have worked hard to EARN.”

That is precisely the sentiment in the Occupy Wall Street movement. They are protesting for an equilibrium. They think the top earners of our country should pay more.

But pay more to what, exactly?

Well … there are some who think that they should get a free pass on the student loans they volutarily took out for their education. There are some who think that the wealth should be redistributed, which means taking it from one to give it to another (unless you have another definition for word “redistribute”).

So it’s not inaccurate to say that they want what others have worked to earn. Nor is it inaccurate to say that “they want it all, but not the dignity of working for it.”

In which case, I am in agreement with CJM.

However, I do not agree with you that “there is no evidence to back up the claim that Obama is taking away money from anybody to give to ‘people who don’t want to work for a living but want what you earned,’” when such people do, in fact, want what they have not earned.

And to be clear, CJM didn’t say they didn’t want to work, but that they wanted what belongs to others without working for it.

That being said, the video clip I posted showing Obama endorsing the socialist agenda of wealth redistribution is absolutely evidence that Obama intended to take away money from some to give to others. And he did just that as soon as he got in office.

I’ll address the body of your response in another post.

The way I see it is: None of the politicians want to work together to accomplish one damn thing. For the 100th time, I will post that all they are thinking about is 2012. All of them. Stall tactics? Yes. They aren’t thinking about the problems of America or they would get off their dead a##es, stop thinking politics and work together to create jobs. They disgust me.

Yes indeed, same as Karolyn wanted as she revolted in the 60s & 70s,
trouble is, she’s still revolting. Still wants it all, for free!

I will not berate Karolyn or anyone else on this site. This is what freedom of speech is all about, whether what anyone posts is right (no pun) or wrong. We all have the option of speaking our minds and what we believe. I don’t always agree with everyone nor do they always agree with me. But I sure as hell won’t call them names just because they don’t agree with me. It is not always “my way or the highway.” People have been taught well, especially the name-calling-I hear it on the radio, thanks to the radio talk show hosts who think they are so almighty wonderful, when in reality they are nothing more than hatemongers, and because of the hate they spread, they are laughing all the way to the bank. I used to listen to them but no more. I have no room in my life for radicals. This is exactly why America is divided. This is exactly why there will be no end to the mess America is in. Constant turmoil and the lack of any common sense/rationality/fairness is the name of the game.

@talkinbout …

1. First of all, the 1% are the bankers. Don’t let media propaganda interfere with your intellect.

2. Are the top earners now responsible for employers who refuse to pay higher wages?

3. What business is it of yours or mine where the profits from business go? Or to whom they go? Did you earn it?

4. The stupidity of the public at large is what gives the super rich political power, not their money. Your own argument is a product of their influence. Fighting for equilibrium and the redistribution of wealth is a socialist maxim.

5. No one has more political power than a unified people at the polls. That’s a fact.

6. Lower tax rates on top earners results in the expansion of business and the creation of jobs.

7. Budget deficits are not caused by the wealthy being robbed of a mere 17% in taxes. They are caused by the government spending money they don’t have on programs that they can’t afford. That’s what a deficit is. It’s the balance between revenue and expenditures. Whatever is spent that is not covered by collected revenue is a deficit.

8. Our deficit can be as readily fixed by cutting the spending as it can be by stealing from the wealthy.

9. I don’t personally care if government services are being cut. The government was never tasked with the obligation to provide for our every want.

10. I don’t want the government handling our children’s education.

11. Roads, bridges, levies, and other infrastructure wouldn’t be in disrepair if the government weren’t spending all their revenue fighting wars, paying the indolent to put 24″ rims on their gas-guzzlers, giving free handouts to people won’t work, and paying to keep up mothers with six kids.

12. It’s not the government’s job to provide safety nets through compulsory taxation. That is the duty of charity.

13. Unions have their uses. But unions also foster violence and force people to pay for the privilege of earning a wage. You won’t find any sympathy for unions here.

14. Competition in jobs is a good thing. Wages, just like prices, are too high. Perhaps if they ALL came down a bit, we might be in better shape.

15. Immigrants who come here illegally shouldn’t be working at all. Government jobs pay too much. Unions suck.

16. The middle class doesn’t need to borrow. Borrowing is wicked. They’d be better off if they saved and spent rather than borrowing. It’s the very mentality that people NEED to borrow that has led people like Ben Bernanke to make such ridiculous statements as the notion that our homes are our savings. And the country takes it literally as the middle class spends the equity in their homes to buy groceries.

17. If you want to fix the money and spending problem in the middle class, the government needs to stop spending money they don’t have. That money has to come from somewhere. And it presently comes mostly from the middle class.

Claire, the reason they can’t get anything done is that they suffer from a difference in methodology. The Republicans firmly believe that higher taxes and further deficit spending will not work, and that it will have a negative impact. Democrats believe that deficit spending is the solution to our problem, and that austerity is foolish.

It’s no different than arguing about which way the light switch has to be flipped to turn on the light. One side says that you have to flip it up to the “on” position while the other says you have to flip it down to the position we can’t read, but that’ll we’ll just have to try to find out.

This is not a stall tactic. They are in full blown disagreement about the method by which our recovery is to be affected, and they both believe that the other’s point of view is dead wrong.

Therefore, coming to a decision is virtually impossible. They are completely deadlocked, and no compromise is possible when you completely, totally and utterly disagree.

This is not at all a new concern: “I am afraid that the schools will prove the very gates of hell, unless they diligently labor in explaining the Holy Scriptures and engraving them in the heart of youth.” Martin Luther, 1483-1546

How long has it been since the public schools treated the Bible as anything but “outdated” or only “great literature with some historical significance”? In their efforts to expel Christianity under the guise of “separation of church and state, the public schools have become indoctrination centers for the godless religion of secular humanism (worship of Man), earth worship, or New Age pantheism and its various offshoots.

The safest way to educate your children is to homeschool or send them to your church school. If you do the latter, you still have the responsibility to monitor their progress and compare what they are learning with the Scriptures.

I keep a bible on hand in case I need something to blow my nose with, or wipe my backside.

Ever hear of osmosis, Erik? Better watch out—some of those scriptures just may rub off on you; then you’ll be out of excuses and lame-brained posts like you write on this site.

Erik, u are so wrong about the bible, thank GOD christians are beautiful wonderful people who pray for us all or GOD would have already destroyed AMERICA. Call cnn at 404_827_2600 and raise heck with them about their liberal radical bias, at least leave a comment raiseing hell before they destroy another convervative, tell them we’re gonna call their advertisers, I call CNN EVERYDAY IN ATLANTA AT 404-827-2600 raiseing hell, thank u GOD BLESS U ALL , P.S. ERIK GET A LIFE U FLEABAG, please support HERMAN CAIN

Careful there Eric, John Lennon Mocked God_ and was shot six times, if you don’t believe in God, I’d suggest then you just STHU!_ instead of throwing around your ignorance, nobody cares what you think!

Eric: You must be a Mao worshiper, as this practice of using the Bible for Toilet paper is practiced all over Communist China, especialy in their Re-education Center’s! If Obama is successful at Communising our Country maybe he can give you a job, helping us Pitifull Christians, with your Profound bit’s of Secular Humanistic Logic, that is just before Our King Returns in Judgement and Glory and Seperates you from the Living, and allows you and your new found friends to be Eternally Seperate, with Satan and His Demons, in Hell!
REPENT ERIC! Quit Wiping your Brain, with what You should be Reading!!
May GOD Bless You with Eternal Truth before Your Dead and it’s TOO LATE!!!!!

Ok God. I guess you read his post…ERIK’s, that is. Show him that our five limitted, little senses don’t really register everything that happens in this world. Let him taste both sides of the “outside the senses” world around us.
In the name of Jesus Christ.

Erik if you’re so overly intelligent – questionable in reality – why not pick up a copy of “The Naked Communist” by Skousen and read it. It may very well give you a good reflection of your lack of understanding and easily you are being used. Once used, your expendable. Uh oh, sorry, that may be a bit beyond your ability to comprehend.

You are a waste of skin E. How can you say such drivil, when that is the book used for the founding of this great country? People like you are what is wrong with this country today. Why don’t you sit down, cross your legs, hold your breath, and fart? It’ll be a mind clearing experience for you. I’m glad there is God, Jesus, and Heaven. They are what is needed to help this country get back to the ways it was founded, a Christian nation. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Erik says:
November 12, 2011 at 2:42 pm
I keep a bible on hand in case I need something to blow my nose with, or wipe my backside.

What a completely scumbag thing to say.
Typical “Classy Liberal”.
And they want us to see things their way?
Ok I can see things their way…through the crosshairs.

Well said JC. I’ve got him in my sites at 3750 meters with my TOW missile. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Erik,…What a comical post. We all know that with your attitude you don’t blow your nose, or clean your butt. You’re such a mental midget, your nurse has to do it for you.

Ha, ha, ha, ha! Very funny Bruno. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!