You are the odd one for unions have marched on Washington although not very often. The last one was in August and I do see your bias.You really need to connect Washington and Wall Street together and see how they both are damaging the republic.

Oh, yes, they have and on which side? Definitely there is a WS/government connection but which side took out Glass/Steagall? And the created the housing crisis?

Sorry, but I think the absence of these demonstrations in DC is a result of the corps being able to contribute funds, like the unions.

There you go again. Unions had nothing to do with the repeal of Glass-Steagall so you are paranoid and spreading fear. It was R-Phil Graham of Texas and the banking industry. No wonder you are lost on the OWS protests.

Actually Clinton demolished the GS which coincide with the wishes of bankers and ws, so who needs to re-establish this vital control? Another President, you must address the partnership between our Big Government Corporation and Bankers. As for Graham, that man is really the spawn of the devil..notice the government didn’t go after UBS? or that UBS suffered ZERO consequence of the manmade financial collaps in 2007?

COLLUSION..THE SAME THING IS HAPPENING TODAY

ACLU’s services can be used by any American of any political persuasion. It’s extremely hard for them to take many cases because of time and the lack of money yet they are very strong on the right of free speech and the right to assemble.That would go for Tea Party protests and OWS.

ummhmm tell that to a couple of locals that were refused support because it was not “newsworthy enough”. The ACLU takes advantage of suing cities and states into bankruptcy just as a threat.

I used to think they were a source too, probably were at the beginning, but if there is no money in it, they don’t do it. With obama giving them money, it stinks of you know what.

As I said they only have so many people working for them and they have to pick and choose cases they can win. No different than any law office unless it is pro bono and that costs someone too. ACLU funds come from private donors so how is Obama involved? Lots of private donors defending your rights.

Eddie, Eddie, they make there money off winning lawsuits–and publicity. Why else would they, with their great overload, defend and free a 15 yr old illegal caught with drugs, and give him amnesty if he testified against a cop for raising the kid’s arms too high? Would they take the case for a local or did the illegal make the headlines?

obama funds the ACLU and probably many administrations before did too. They are just like any other big organization–out of control.

Every law firm in America makes money off of lawsuits and many of them stink yet you are overly biased and one sided.

Oh, I definitely agree that we are into the same as Germany. The FEMA camps are well stocked. The police have nothing to do with it. It sits in the WH that is provoking this.

Want to know who will be in charge of putting you and me on the rail cars? Just look at the demonstrators.

“The police have nothing to do with it” Who do you think will load you into those boxcars? If you really believe in what you said. They will obey orders no matter who is in power a Republican policeman will beat you just as hard as a Democrat policeman.

Dear Eddie, look at what the WH is supporting and it ain’t the police.

I don’t worry too much about the police. I stay out of trouble and the few times I was blamed for something didn’t go anywhere.

I worry more about obama and killing off a puppet dictator knowing full well the Muslim Brotherhood would take control. THAT is what worries me.

obama keeps testing the waters for “brown shirts” and I don’t think the police are it. They may be the excuse but not the instigator.

You’re getting off subject so I guess I could bring Bush’s invasion of Iraq into the squabble.The killings and bombings there didn’t end with the demise of Saddam either. The Shiites and Sunni’s still can’t get along. Now I’m no fan of the Muslim Brotherhood yet they were 20% of the Egyptian population and they will have a voice whether we like it or not. We can attempt to make the world a better place but we can’t control it.

Bingo. If government bends to the wishes of wall street and grants them free reign to turn the stock market into a giant casino with our retirement accounts, then who is really in control of our government? Is our all powerful government just caving to the wishes of wall street like an all powerful owner coddles a pet cat? Or do wall street and the big banks have more power and influence than is openly admitted?

You are in charge of your retirment funds; simply take them out, take the 25% hit and keep the rest.

We haven’t had true capitalism exercised in this country since maybe the 1800s. What we have is a weird hybrid of big corporation only capitalism, facism, and socilaism all rolled into one. Don’t make me laugh and say we have true capitalism in this country when a mom and pop business has the book thrown at them but big corporations can just lobby for law exemptions that crush small business. As a point of fact, the Fed is a private entity issuing currency and crdit for the US government. If I decided to start up a small bank and a printing press to print out my own script that government could use a SWAT team would ensure I eat lots of dirt in less than 24 hours.

Yep, our state actually did this as was their right. The Feds stepped in and stopped it. Didn’t have anything to do with the Fed Reserve as they don’t have police powers.

Yes, Christy, it stated it very well. And we are well into our way of getting there.

We can’t even buy raw milk without someone complaining about it. I did like the wallpaper comparison, it is right on.

“Fascist Right Wing Germany”…

You do realize that all the stuff that Hitler pulled was under the flag of the NAZI Party, do you know what NAZI means?
National Socialist Party.
It was a form of Fascism that was very Totalitarian, same as Communism. Fascism and Communism are not opposite ends of the spectrum, but are bedfellows. They are both “Command and Control Totalitarian” systems.

Thank you for explaining that.

Sadly, many are not listening to comments (on other sites) of the survivors of WWII Germany.

We take for granted that these riots and/or demonstrations will only result in property damage or a few people dead. I was in Germany 14 years after the war and people were still living in bombed out buildings.

One spark, and obama is waiting for it, and we will be the ones bombed by our own people.

The Nazi’s were no Socialist(quite the opposite) but you did get the Totalitarian part right.

How is it that you can interpret NAZI as not being socialist? It is the extreme of socialism, not the opposite. It is the direction the current administration is taking this country. It is everyone “taken care of” by the big protector government. Read, study, learn.

Nazism is indeed an extreme but not one OWS is trying to take away anyone’s rights which some have implied. The rights are being taken away from the protesters. (except for anyone who is vandalizing)

“To conquer, first divide!”

And the “word destruction” continues…..when you don’t distinguish between what things actually mean, everything ceases to have meaning.

Capitalism, socialism and communism are ECONOMIC systems, whose primary distinction is defined by the ownership of the means of production.

These are independant from the political government structures under
whose authority these systems are operated.

Hitler’s rise to power, as well as his genocidal policies, were directly related to the fact that the majority of the leadership of the communist faction in Germany, was jewish. He also wrongly calculated that because his primary enemy and target was the soviet union, that after he had essentially subdued much of the european
continent, he would be able to force a peace and possibly enlist the British against what he viewed as a common enemy.

Unfortunately, the military blunder of failing to seal off Dunkirk, preventing the escape of British and French forces, ended any hope of this scenario becoming a reality. Further blunders, in North Africa
and in Operation Barbarossa, caused his plans to fail and brought his thousand year reich, to a rather quick demise, in what should have been a quick and decisive victory, had he concentrated on the correct strategic objectives. That he considered both communism and the soviet union as enenemies, is indisputable. Ironically, Germany was responsible for the Bolshevik success in 1917, having given Lenin
safe passage to Russia from Switzerland, which resulted in Russia’s exit from the war, and eventual victory for the Bolshevik faction in the civil war that followed. Both U.S. and British forces were actively engaged assisting the losing side, which may explain Hitler’s miscalculation.

The Soviet Constitution as written was essentially democratic, so the fact that the government’s authority was totalitarian or the economic
system was communism, are independant elements. Having elections signifies nothing, and it has been suggested that the actual actions of the U.S government, is facist, despite it’s Constitution and so called free market capitalist system.

Again I apologise for the interuption, feel free to carry on what you were doing…..and for Dave H.

“Do not ask fro whom the bell tolls……..”

Looks like they are just priming us for the big takeover of our 2nd amendment rights !!

Yeah, obama keeps going to international treaties instead of the Constitution. Going to be a rough time if we can’t keep ourselves together.

Funny how we all come together in a real crisis and the government keeps trying to divide us.

Oh really Don but it looks like the police are doing it. In Atlanta GA someone was seen walking through the OWS carrying an AK-47 yesterday. The police swept in and closed the whole park down and forced protesters to go home. Was that a precaution or did the police go too far?

You know, Christy, I watched the riots of the 60′s. At that time, I thought people should just not go if they did not want to take the chance of being part of the mob. Just my side of it. I’m not going to go into a fight just because there is one and I certainly won’t go without the knowlege that I may be thought to be on the wrong side.

By all means, educate us all if you know so well. Because I can’t see anything positive whatsoever in this Occupy Wall Street movement. As far as I can tell, it’s sole purpose is to complain that some people make more money than they do. There are no stated goals to this protest that I’m aware of. They are interfering in the daily commerce of businesses that aren’t part of the 1%. They are destroying public property (such as the sod that cost $500,000.00 in tax dollars). And I’ve heard that in some instances, depending on the location, some of them are starting to behave unlawfully, such as defacating on police cars, etc.

While I’m 100% behind them exercising their right to peacably assemble and redress the government for grievances, they haven’t actually redressed the government for the grievances. And it seems that the solution they are wanting is relief from financial responsibility, and the right to plunder the wealthy.

So please, educate us. If there’s more to this nonsense than what I see, I’d like to know.

Well Tim, it’s oddd that hours after I posted my comments about obama to be blamed for creating the hate the rich mentality, members of the LIBERAL press were saying the same thing. Oh how that must hurt you. I will stand by my comments at any rate. Oh, and how many Tea Party gatherings have you seen go on for more than one day? Care to compare results to date? I doubt it.

“I work in human services and am in a position to help make a difference in this world.”

And yet. there you are “sitting on your butt at a keyboard expelling hot air through your fingertips”, and otherwise responding with clueless comments instead of thoughtful discourse on the issue of the article.

I have seen some OWS protesters interviewed who were intelligent and capable of articulating their grievances. I agree to many, if not most of their concerns.

My problem with these demonstrators is with the lack of respect they seem to have for the places where they are demonstrating. The trash and human waste needs to be cleaned up by those making the mess, not the government.

And you can’t tell me there aren’t a whole lot of folks using this as a mini “Burning Man” festival, looking to party on free drugs or get a piece of a$$.

My biggest concern (as the article states) is that the law enforcement’s handling of OWS may be a harbinger of actions to come.

So the police actions in WI==nothing being done–and millions in public property damage and CA Oakland is wrong in trying to protect the public.

I guess there isn’t any middle ground.

Please condone the actions of the crowd and give them the “right” to destroy or back public officials trying to protect property and the people living there.

You really need to read before responding, and quit attempting to read between the lines (you’re not very clairvoyant fella). I stated plainly that these folks didn’t seem to have respect for the property or the surrounding neighbors according to the reports I’ve seen. And it’s been reported that the locations for Tea Party rallies and that big rally Glenn Beck had last year were left cleaner than before the events.

I never stated or intimated that the police should do nothing. But responding to the peaceful albeit unsanitary occupation of a park with tear gas and water cannons may, just may be the beginning.

What if next week it’s rubber bullets? Lead bullets? And what if now some left-leaning law enforcement folks decide to do the same to Tea Party and other conservative gatherings?

Actually, I’m trying to make a difference by encouraging people to vote responsibly. We are at a point where the economy is make or break. If the wrong person gets elected, we’re all in trouble. So educating people who practice media politics, or who practice man-on-the-street economics, is vitally important.

And I can touch more minds on a single forum in fifteen minutes of typing than I can going door to door for a week.

So try to keep the criticism to a minimum.

Real conservatives hate big anything be it big wall street, big pharma, big oil, big banks, and big government.

Eddie, real conservatives hate the Patriot Act. Although, it was done by Bush, obama has far extended the scope of it.

In spite of the vile utterings of the extreme liberals in this country, the Tea Party isn’t out to eliminate opinions. I believe that all attempts to stifle opinions have come from the liberal side saying that “all conservatives should be tried in Nuremburg type trials”, and that any disagreement with obama is racist. You won’t find a true conservative that finds joy in this type of police action. The issue with the protesters in this instance is that they have had no reguard for the general public, they have no formal stated objective, they have not obtained the required permits.

What is their goal? What is it that they are trying to accomplish? These don’t seem to be a group of concerned citizens trying to address something wrong, they seem to be a gang of malcontents with no real purpose other than to disrupt the lives of people that live in the area that they are “occupying”.

There are several messages coming from OWS so you may feel there is not a coherent one. The main one is to reform Wall Street and to enact more accountability in how banks do business. Why were failing mortgages bundled to make it appear that they had value when they were doomed to failure. Why do Hedge Fund Managers trade after hours (which is illegal) and make so much money in ponzi schemes. Why is there so much insider trading (also illegal)that rigs the stock market. We have three separate cases going on right now in Denver (Peterson,Gupta and Brownstein). So it is not just New York City where the problem lies. Several CEOs were interviewed locally on the OWS protesters and none were against them although two of them were confused about their message. The others such as Pat Hamill of Oakwood Homes said “I love their passion and energy I also understand and empathize with their frustrations with what has gone on with our economy and political system”. Anita Fitzgerald of MegaStar Financial said “I believe the movement is justified. As a CEO we should be accountable for our actions and what the companies do”. She “doesn’t buy the line that bank failures and mortgage sector meltdowns sneaked up on unwitting executives”.She said a mouthful and she is not the only one who wants to tame the Wall Street beast.

BINGO! POLITICAL SYSTEM, Again, OWS is yelling at the wrong people, STOP BIG GOVERNMENT IN ITS TRACKS AND YOU’LL STOP CORPORATE GREED or at least give us some breathing room to revamp our political system ..BACK AS IT WAS MEANT TO BE. Learn how to upend this corrupt righty/lefty thing and put our real government back in. A Government For The People and By The People. At Present I have a sneaking suspicion that our existing government IS A CORPORATION..SO Go To The Source. Stop trampling on the rights of your brothers.

Understood. But we still have the right to peacably assemble to redress our government for grievances. We don’t need a permit to do that.

If the crowd grows violent without provocation, then by all means, control the riot. I’m even in favor of shooting the rioters if what they are doing is smashing the windows of the local furniture store. That’s not redressing the government. That’s looting. They cease to be protesters and become criminals instead who pose a threat to the community.

But until they become violent WITHOUT PROVOCATION, the police have no right shooting anyone with anything, to arrest anyone, or to interfere in any way. We have that first amendment right. Allow this injustice to stand, and it’s only a matter of time before people are arrested for saying unpopular things. History proves this to be true.

Alex, I understand what you are saying but these union backed demonstrations have always turned to trashing and violence as far back as I can remember.

People behave differently in an environment of a mob. Those that are intent on destruction join in and cause the actual peaceful ones to get the blame. It all goes out of control.

WS simply isn’t something we can’t control by way of our spending habits. Unions with amnesty from the law isn’t. Best to be careful on who is demonstrating and why. Why NY and northern CA? Why not DC?

Because DC isn’t listening so why not be voicing our concerns throughout the land where a truer America can be represented.

Man, what a messed up comment. If you were being overrun by thousands of pissed off rioters you would leave too. The police are a small minority trying to keep citizens safe. The police arrest members of our society who break our laws. I love the folks who post nasty stuff about the police but when they need help they are the first to call and cry for help.

LOL, I would not run to the police for help if someone breaks down my door because it is useless and only good for some after the fact justice. Instead, I am reaching for my trusty 9 mm to murder the stupid mother who breaks down my door. Hell if anything, I would ensure the intruder is dead (as dead people can’t testify against you in court), then injure myself with a knife from the kitchen if I wasn’t already injured, clean the knife hilt, then carefully place the hilt in the dead person’t hands, rehearse what I am going to say to the police, THEN AND ONLY THEN call the police and hope to God they don’t charge me with a crime when it was me who was the victim or my daughter who would have been raped, etc. The police these days are not your friends, but agents of big government and big business to suppress the little people. let me ask: do you think highly of the police when they imprison people for consuming RAW MILK across STATE LINES??? OH NO!!! NOT RAW MILK!!!!!!!!!!! ANYTHING BUT THAT PURELY SATANIC SUSBTANCE!!!

Sam I am, you just blew it. Because if that little scene you just wrote about took place in my town and I was a Police officer, I’d be arresting you on 1st Degree Murder and it probably would stick because you wrote about it in your blog. so, idiot, if you are going to do something don’t brag about it before hand.

Well Nam Vet, clearly you support the rapers and murderers over the folks defending themselves from not only the criminals but also the police who will charge you with a crime for defending yourself.

clark, Wall Street owns the government and both political parties. They buy and sell politicians at will. They call the shots not the Congress or the White House who are merely their servants. Protesting the Congress and the White House is like protesting against the butler of a rich man. It is the rich man who is the perpetrator not the guy he hires to open his front door, lay out his clothes, and make cocktails.

gosh, Mark, I thought it was the union head meeting and greeting with obama on a frequent basis. ACORN, SEIU, and other union groups supporting these demonstrators?

Get real, both groups are. The unions have the most to lose. BTW it was union thugs that went to jail for raiding pension funds. I’m all for the WS getting the same treatment but if you really want to make a difference, stop using the services of WS.

More cheap talk coming from Clark who loves using the Ayers card. How about Raymond Peake who killed a lawyer then went out and provided weapons to a right wing organization for the sole purpose in over throwing the US government. Is that your kind of guy? Would anyone in their right mind want to be connected to him? Maybe Laura Reese and Wm Holbert would be more to your taste. They were both neo-nazi’s with ties to other patriot movements. They sold right wing books in Asheville/Forest City, NC and still had time to kill 6 people.Ayers killed no one yet you trump him up like he is the worst of the worst. When he doesn’t even come close.

Cry me a freaking river. Chances our if you have a financial job in New york it is illegitamate.

Help me believe that even .1 % of that is true.

“Ruined business in New York?” Care to cite some backup on that assertion? On the surface, it surely is laughable, considering the size of NYC, or did you not know how big it is?

This whole thing is ridiculous, these protesters don’t even know what they’re protesting against, but just want to be there to say in the future that they were a part of it. They are espousing socialist and communist ideas, which they were either brainwashed to believe or indoctrinated to accept in the universities and colleges that have been infiltrated by and taken over by the real Socialists and Communists in this country. they will never be able to accept a job or hold down a job in our free enterprise system because they don’t believe in it, again the results of their education in those universities and colleges of socialism and communism. The Bankers on Wall Street have been doing nothing different than they have for the last 100 years or more, but they still have a job and are making a lot of money, unlike these over-educated clowns that are protesting against them, that if they could think for themselves and see the real reason they can’t find a job, would be protesting against Obama and the Democrats, who like Jimmy Carter, has hurt the country and it’s economy by the socialist and communist policies in all their agendas. A prime example of the real differnce of what is going wrong with our economy is what Ronald Reagan did when he got in office and inherited an even worse economy than Obama, and what Obama has been doing, which has been just the opposite of what Reagan did, and look who was successfull. This is what those over-educated clowns should be protesting about, it they really cared for what they say has been their demise in the financial aspect of their lives.

Ditto…and just WHO would hire any of these people? Unkempt, unshaven, and what appears to be years (not just 30 days) of self-neglect. I wouldn’t hire any of these individuals. Aside from their physical presentation, they are irrational. They do not seem to be aware that their comments don’t make sense.I don’t see any parents on TV stating proudly, “Yep, that’s MY kid protesting for the rights of Americans!”

Don’t you people get the picture..Obama started all of this,he has his Union thugs intertwined,just as they were in all foreign countries and started the “take down” I remember,Trumpkey(no doubt spelled wrong)made the statement”we are now WORLD WIDE! Obama is anxious to use the “internment”centers. he has,his people on the streets stiring up and trying to get more and more people involved and when the “riots” happen,he will call off the election for 2 more years and we have an Obama “take over” just listen to what those kids are saying!they don’t know why they are there,they have no intelligence other than to say what Obama has said…It is to bad the right can’t get in there and “educate” them on the “real America” and turn the tables on Obama. Since they don’t know our HISTORY and have been dumbed down for years,what do they really know except to follow the crowd. I would like to turn the tables on Obama.Maybe someone could invite them to spend the night in a big warehouse somewhere and show them some film or something on the real America…JUST A THOUGHT.

MOST of these “useful idiot” kids have NO IDEA what they are doing. They are unemployed and want to remain on the government “rolls” so that they don’t have to work, (they have been taught that they are “entitled” and that the tax payers – i.e. working people/government – should “take care of their every need” like Mommy and Daddy, (check out the “parens patria” doctrine if you doubt this). Protesting right now IS their “job.” If you want to know just HOW MUCH they DON’T know what they are doing, here’s an example. A news guy was out there asking one of the protesters something about Nancy Pelosi. This kid’s answer was, “Who?” Acorn, SEIU, and/or other far Left organizations, by whatever name they are calling themselves these days, are organizing and putting these kids up to this. Do you really believe that today’s government educated kids even have the mental capacity to organize something like these protests on their own? No, they don’t. But certain college “professors” who are the SAME, EXACT PEOPLE who organized the protests in the 60′s DO, and THEY are the ones behind these protests-NOT these dumbed down kids. These kids are just “useful idiots.” They are walking government-educated robot zombies. They are just “pointed” in the direction they are told to go, programmed, (i.e. given instructions), and without batting an eyelash, they just follow THEIR “leaders” like wind up toys do what they do, after they have been “wound up.” They have no common sense or ability to think for themselves whatsoever, because it has been stripped from them through government brainwashing, (I mean “education”). They are like the walking dead, whose brains have been turned off, (usually by some “medication for hyper activity,” i.e. they drug them), except when a government “trigger” turns them on to do its bidding. For those of us who are old enough to remember when things were at least semi-”normal,” and can still think for ourselves, (which the government hates with a passion, because they prefer to think FOR US), don’t you feel blessed NOT to have been born in a time where, when kids go to “school” they have to worry about things like a “prison environment,” getting shot, being indoctrinated, being MANDITORILY vaccinated with God knows what kind of concoction, being taught how to have sex in Kindergarden, being taught that we all came from monkeys, AS IF that is a fact and not a theory, living in a government where they are trying to legalize adult/child sex, being offered drugs at school, and the list goes on and on? As for the “coming from monkeys” theory, they must destroy the concept of God, at least the REAL GOD, (the other “gods” don’t really seem to bother them too much), before they can pretend to BE gods, thus they must “de-Christianize” the people as well. How did we get here? By a very slow, methodical plan, which was started years ago. All of this one world government crap was tried before during the era of Woodrow Wilson and FDR, but back then people had not yet been sufficiently morally debased, de-Christianized, and brainwashed yet, so it couldn’t work then. People were still at least PARTIALLY awake. Well people, look around, because today most people under the age of about 35 HAVE been sufficiently morally debased, de-Christianized, and brainwashed, and they are just following their “instructions/programming” that they have been brainwashed with in “school” like good little government slaves, who are just so proud to be working for their Masters. Most of them HAVE NO CLUE what real FREEDOM is. They have NO CLUE that we are SUPPOSED TO BE a REPUBLIC, where the INDIVIDUAL is king, and NOT a DEMOCRACY where the rules are made for the “Collective” majority. Don’t you just want to shake these kids and say “WAKE UP?” But MOST of them CAN’T wake up, because they have been “Cult-ized” in school. Yes, if you go to public school today, it’s like going into a cult where both teachers and students are being brainwashed, and if you come up with the “wrong” answers, like say, capitalism and/or freedom-type answers, then you must be “re-educated” until you “get it” and realize that you, as an individual, are not important – YOU are a worthless nothing, only good for working to pay off the government debt, (i.e. PEONAGE), and ONLY the “collective,” (one of those vague, “useful terms” to make you feel “selfish” if you actually want to own something for yourself or keep what you earn), is important. They used to call this Communism, but I’m sure they have “renamed” it by now. I feel SO SORRY for our kids today. They have also made sure that the parents of today’s kids are SO BUSY and SO DISTRACTED just trying to figure out how to make ends meet, OR, due to their OWN selfishness, that they have little time left to UNDO the BS their kids are being taught in “school,” or they don’t even KNOW what their kids are actually being taught in school. Are we really going to have to say good bye to our beloved America that we once knew and trade it in on a one world Communist Dictatorship? Unfortunately, and SO sadly, it sure looks that way. King George would be just SO PROUD of Obama and company for taking us back to where the tyrannical king had us before we fought him and told him to get lost and to get out of our lives. But the “Beast” has become SO BIG that, like the Bible says, “Who can make war with the beast?” Only One, I’m afraid, but He’s coming like a knight in shining armor, so just hold on a little while longer. He’ll be here soon to take HIS OWN out of this Hell hole we call earth, which the governments of MAN, because of their lusts for power and greed for money, which, of course, the love of which is the root of ALL EVIL, have destroyed. Then, the Bible says, the OPPRESSORS SHALL BECOME THE OPPRESSED. In other words, what goes around will eventually come around, or, as Judge Napolitano so often likes to say, “stated differently,” they will reap what they have sown, as everyone will.

Just because you are not paying attention, or possibly disagree with their stance, doesn’t mean they lack convictions. The Occupy Wall Street movement is against Wall Street…duh! How clear can they make it for you! Specifically, they oppose the parasitic financial system that in the last 100 years has enslaved the world, including you.

For a supposedly media savvy group of people, what most of you do here is repeat mindlessly the talking points of the mainstream media…a la ‘the Occupy movement doesn’t have a clear agenda‘. Well, wait until they spoon-feed you their agenda, like they do on TEEVEE. It might be a long wait!

I believe one of their problems is that those that they are putting below the mud sills,are making money, by working for it. They scream “socialist with money they did not earn.” Try giving them some money, see if they will turn it down. Offer them a job, maybe one which required a little labor, and see if they want it. No!With their total lack of common sense they think they are ready to run/rule the world. HEAVEN FORBID.

Please check out the info (The Greatest Government Cover-up Ever) found within this page. Then come back and say these young people don’t have reason to fight the system. Just like the hippies of the 1960′s, or were you not there? There “is” propaganda from the local government claiming there is a health hazard, and we need to get these people out of there. Right! Don’t believe everything you hear on the 6 O’Clock News.

The 60′s saw the young people protesting a corrupt government that was lying to the people about Vietnam, politics, an archaic (illegal) voting system etc. Don’t underestimate the youth. They can read faster, keyboard faster, and shut down any web system faster than any old fart. It just might be that old farts “are” the problem. They have become complacent, like sheep, like fat sheep. It takes a young minded person to want to make changes and take steps to make it happen. Sheep will just follow their leader to the next watering hole.

The 25yr.-30yr. somethings have the means (technology)to unify and the solidarity to take this to the next level. Because their demands are so broad that nothing short of a total revamping would suffice, I know they will not succeed. Just like the protesters of the 60′s couldn’t bring the house down. But they can now hack just about any computer system. Just ask Sony (Playstation) Corp. what happens when you piss off video gamers who know the technologies needed to crash a major company.

I’ll be surprised if this small revolt isn’t the tip of the iceberg. People will be increasingly irritated with unemployment, a stagnant economy, double digit inflation. All caused from decades of High Level cheating and stealing.

The Government is far more ready for this than most people realize. Internment centers are everywhere. New weaponry is at the ready, and unfortunately for many, the revolt will be deadly but short lived. We have BlackWater security teams ready to fire upon American citizens. And NOT with rubber bullets. Military Pain Ray guns able to cook you from 5/8ths of a mile away or more.

As the economy continues the downward spiral, many people will still lose their homes, become homeless, become sick, die. What then? Be a sheep?

Besides the hippies, drug addicts, communist, union thugs, socialist, and of course bankers down on Wall Street, now the Muslims are joining in!
God would be just if he sank N.Y. city right now!
We can only pray.

Businesses ruined? Yeah, I heard an interview with the owner of a Panera Bread restaurant right by the protest. The protestors have run off her regular customers. They have trashed her bathrooms, they come in and use her tables and chairs, charge their comptuers, etc… but don’t purchase anything then get angry when asked to leave.

She said that some of the other businesses just shut down because the hassle was to much.

Oh yeah, Kirk, you missed one what about those idiots who are walking around naked. No wonder some of those business are closing their doors who’d want to see some fat dork (male or female) walking around showing all in front of their kids? Oh, yeah, what about those wacky chants they keep sprouting (ala 60s only with their words changed): “Hell no, we won’t go!’ or even “Make love, not war!”?

Then look at the damage that those idiot are doing: Human feces, used hypodermic needles, all kinds of trash and more thrown all around, it going to cost hundreds of dollars to clean up?

Oh, give her a break, would you. We all use hyperbole at times. Your reaction shows that you just can’t accept the truth about permissible protesting , that it should not allow a protester infringing on the rights of others. Unfortunately, Socialista and Liberals have always ignored this throughout history which has led to the injury and death of millions, not to mention the loss of freedom.

You’re like the neighborhood pussy. Some guys decide to confront the neighborhood bully, and there are always one or two people like always saying, please stop, because you’ll make him more mad! I always slap those kids as a warm up exercise before heading for the bully.

Consider slapped!

We’d slap you but $#!t splatters.-CC.

The evidence is clear if you go to the area where the protesters have been. In NY, businesses around the park are closing their doors. Some will re-open after the protesters leave, some have already opened elsewhere, some will never re-open. The protesters were going into these businesses and stealing, ruining the bathrooms (to the point where the bathroom doors were NAILED shut because merely locking the doors did not work!), the stench is unbelievable and why would anyone go into a shop or restaurant close to these protesters when they can go a few blocks over and purchase the same things without interference, name calling or the stench?

They do as long as they adhere to the rules …. you cannot occupy a business and keep them from their daily activities, you cannot occupy and take over a park and sleep and put up tents there…that is called vagrancy and loitering…protesting is allowed, but to take over and shut down business and stomp on other people’s rights is not lawful and they should be disassembled. When the tea parties protested, they adhered to the rules and did not trash up everything, break windows, throw things as police or any of the other outrageous acts that these people have done. That is a big difference between “peaceful” demonstrations and “violent” demonstrations.

It’s called ‘right to free assembly’ protected by the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution. And you’ve been listening to too much propaganda FOX news if you think the Occupy movement is violent or dirty or a bunch of unkempt hippies or anti-Semites and Nazis. This is pure pro-ultra rich propaganda trying to protect their 1% from equal taxation and losing their special privileges.
Don’t listen to it! Why don’t you go to your city’s local Occupy place and judge for yourself. See the middle class nurse who is losing her pension while billion dollar corporations don’t pay any income tax. See the Veteran who will be taking a 20% cut in military retirements. Maybe you’ll be inclined to join this 99% group and protest with them to stand for the same equal treatment as someone who makes 2 million dollars a year gets. They don’t hate the rich; they just want an end to corruption and unfairness.

Fella, I have gone to some of those so-called rallies: granted some are peaceful and orderly, but a majority I’ve seen are straight out of the 60′s Anti-war protest (People (both men and women) pissing wherever they want, blocking access to places of business, harassing people that are trying to enter those business, smoking dope (wacky weed and other junk) and just lately throwing garbage on an uniformed military person. Does this sound like peaceful assembly to you?

“This is pure pro-ultra rich propaganda trying to protect their 1% from equal taxation and losing their special privileges.”

Ok, so what you are telling us is that since you pay(say) 28% and they pay 39% in taxes…is that YOU need to pay more taxes (39%)in order to make taxing, “equal taxation”?

“See the middle class nurse who is losing her pension while billion dollar corporations don’t pay any income tax. See the Veteran who will be taking a 20% cut in military retirements.”

Exactly who is allowing this to happen?….Oh yeah…the government…not the rich greedy wall street bankers and such…it’s the government stupid! They allow the tax loopholes….they allow the corruption…after all…doesn’t the government write all of the laws, rules and regulations? So, if these people aren’t paying their taxes because of loopholes…who made the loopholes? Who made up the rules to play by?…Pull collective heads from collective rectums and at least protest the right people…for the right reasons…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY8LKII_MNA

Donot turn wall street to Arab or Italy style violence. The protesters will make the matter worst by putting hindrances in day to day business in wall street. I am with NYPD trying to keep law & order, clearing the roads and street. That is Americanism, freedom to business as usual.

Average Joe: No, the way it is… 99% of Americans pay a RATE of 29%tax to 35% and the the 1% , like hedge fund managers, pay between 0% and 17% of their income in taxes. It’s the RATE that is unfair.
And yes the government has been complicit in letting Wall St and corporations get away with much corruption and loopholes. That’s why there should be oversight and enforced financial regulation and laws passed to keep them on a level playing field and to protect consumers.

Liztalk,
Again…it’s the government. The rules (laws) are written by the government…the laws are (supposed to be) enforced by the govrnment.
If there are loopholes in the taxcode that are being exploited, the government created those loopholes. If the laws are not being enforced (and there are plenty on the books)…then the government isn’t enforcing them. Protesting the rich…is the wrong people to be protesting….they simply do what the government allows them to do….nothing more…nothing less… Now, repeat after me, “it’s the government…..they aren’t complicit…they are the cause of the problem”.

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This is true. I have heard of small Mom & Pop businesses (cafes, various kinds of small shops, Starbuck’s etc that have suffered financially because customers go elsewhere because of the crowds of OWS protesters.

Go the hell home your message was heard and is stupid. You are not going to get a free ride and you do not deserve one. Get a job and pay taxes like the rest of us.

Go home to what? No job? No future? Over 10 million homes have been processed through foreclosure to date. Another 9 million are on the chopping block. Unemployment is at least 20%. Construction is down 75%.

Big businesses like A.I.G. and CitiBank each got hundreds of millions of bail-out monies. Guess where that money came from. Your taxes and your children’s taxes and possibly your grandchild’s. It’s been estimated that the amount of money needed right now to pay off the U.S. debt equal $250,000.00 per American.

Anyone who is not angry with the current political mafioso, the big narco banks, and all the hedge fund playboys, needs to have their head examined.

The 1960′s were a rough time. People protested about race prejudices, the Vietnam War, and all the crooked politicians and their big business benefactors. They plan in ways to steal the wealth of this and other nations. Shame on anyone who supports the kind of bully tactics used by those in power. And who was it that took note of what was going on? Not the middle aged fat guys. Not Grams and Gramps. It was the youth of this nation. They knew information that was not being haled on the 6 O’Clock News. They knew soldiers coming back from Nam with what really happened there. It will always be the youth that are “in the know”. Somewhere along the way, most of the people who lived in the 60′s have gotten fat, lazy, and satisfied to sit in front of the TV and let the “talking heads” feed them their news in 3 minute bites between toilet paper commercials.

Power Corrupts, and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely! And lazy is just plain lazy! Get up and do something, or just sit there…it’s your choice.

Alice;

Do you even realize that your words and the words of others like you, are merely echoes of those who looked unfavorably upon protests in the ’60s that played so much a very important part on shaping our nation? Any force of protest that makes any difference in our world has its downsides, even if peaceable. Be assured that comfortable citizens sat complacently in their abodes, criticizing the people who took action and protested the war in Vietnam, and the abuses of civil rights.

In that era, there were direct opposites of legal protest, from the peaceful organized Freedom Marches, to the non-peaceful riots stemming from police abuse and oppression.

Even then, public officials sought to find any “legal” means to stem the power created by the people to change our nation, often resorting to “illegal” means. It’s all in the history books, even the people without a brain complaining about those that took the courage to complain. From the hippies and flower children with their peace signs, pissing in the street gutters and imposing on local businesses, to the blacks filling the streets and chanting their gospel inspired slogans, the “community” did nothing but grumble and simultaneously judge the participants.

There’s no doubt in the public’s mind what the Occupy Wall Street Protesters are upset about, even if they haven’t produced a generalized “list of demands”. Fools abound who claim that the protests are nothing but a bunch of long hair, unemployed bums. Yet even despite republican involvement to sway the media hype in giving the OWS protesters that image, news media has also shown that most of the masses are regular hard working people who have taken time out of their normal lives to give their own support in person, who make up an integral part of the organized protests.

Although I am dead set against the protesters causing damage to innocent citizens and their property, I am MORE opposed to hypocritical fools giving the OWS protesters the false and propagandized image the Republican Party wishes to paint them with, other than what they truly represent; the voice of every American that is upset and fed up with the complacency of the government and the DOJ that looks the other way every time someone rich or influential commits a crime or unethically abuses the rights of others.

The LAW was written for poor and rich alike, and although the wealthy have a more lenient system due to their affordability for representation, that power of LAW and the words it carries should not have two faces in our courts. The real citizens of America (not merely the “sit at home and smile” fools) are out there making an honest representation of most all in America who are fed up with Wall Street manipulation of our economy and the financial abuses and crimes they have perpetrated.

At least this so called motley crew has the courage and fortitude to do something about it. Their fortitude and will shall be tested and exemplified in the coming months of winter. But those of you out there, who wish to blow the masses off as a mere sore spot, may have to eat your words as the hardened and committed within the protests refuse to relent. They have become a solid voice, and you who think that political facades will prevail, will realize just how much this “people power” has set its formidable roots when the polls open next year.

Don’t worry, for although we don’t know names or faces of those who wish to be cry babies concerning the protests, they will represent the cowardly complainers who criticized the courageous and committed. We, who could not join but consented and supported those who could, shall still laugh at those who truly represent the sorry, worthless lot that represent the stupid spreaders of lies, and the deserving enslaved puppets of the system. When those votes are cast in 2012, all those who wished to make their claims now will see that the willpower and voice of these protesters is still strong. These who show false concern against the movement are now merely feeling the “threat” of that reality and are making their weak little complaints in contradiction to the cause out of fear that the stronger voice of the realistically charged freedom protesters will have their say. So enjoy your day for now while you have it. We all know who has made their own cause in favor of Wall Street, and who is in the public’s mind and eye as the party that represents Wall Street’s benefactors.

“Many of these protesters” were being paid $500 – $600 a week to be there. These weren’t all indigent, unemployed protestors, but people hired to be there. If their grievance is with their government, they should be occupying Washington D.C. not Wall Street, or city parks. Yes, we all have a right to protest a government gone bad, but that does not grant them the right to destroy public and private property, litter, use drugs and have sex in public. There are laws that govern this country and as long as these laws are obeyed, you have the right to assemble.

If these people were protesting the economy and lack of jobs, they need to present their case to obama and congress and push them to take action to allow capitalism to work as it has in the last 200 years and made this country the world leader that it is. Get government out of the way and let the United States be number 1 in the world again.

A lot of the protestors are the Nazis, the communist party, the black panthers and a lot of these people actually have a job…some don’t want one, they just want their fair share of our wealth that we have worked for, some are paid union members, and a few are actually without jobs and they are being demonized by the other radicals, and that is a shame because some have solid bitches….however, we still need people to stay within the law and chaos is not needed in a “peaceful” protest. Besides, they are in the wrong place…they need to move to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Don’t forget Acorn. They’re now involved. These folks certainly have the right to protest, but their desire to eliminate Capitalism? Sounds like they want something for nothing …

BINGO

There are no nazi’s being endorsed by the OWS protesters Wanda. That crap came from the mouths of right wingers. I have seen almost no blacks at these protests so that also blows your bringing up the black panthers.Who is feeding you your propaganda. Expose the man behind the curtain pulling your strings.

eddie she never said the OWS agreed or disagreed with the American Nazi party being a part of the protest she said the Nazis were there joining the protest. As far as blacks at the protest, every news report I have seen have shown crowds that are overwhelmingly young and a mixture of white, black, hispanic, and oriental.

I remember that when the Tea Party rallies were on, they were called racist because not many minorites were seen, can we now say the OWS crowd is racist?

” can we now say the OWS crowd is racist?”

According to eddie they are.

Opal is putting something in her mouth that is nor appropriate! Not that… but a lie.

The population of the protesters depends on the location of the protest. And while the OWS crowd has a mish mash of demands and appear unorganized, there are now groups, such as the Black Panthers, the Communist Party of America (which has endorsed Obama BTW), several large Unions, and the Socialist Party of Americ (also endorsed Obama) have decided to join the protesters. Interviews with the protesters show that many have quit their jobs or dropped out of college in order to participate. You could not get a more worthless group of people than this together if you tried…oh wait…they ARE trying, even paying people, to participate!

Sam you are protesting and don’tknow what you are protesting,it isn’t for being out of work,because “Move On’ has paid you to protest, for Obama,you don’t know anything about American History or how great the USA is,the one’s that should be protesting are the VETERANS who gave thier lives and limbs, for you to make a Jackass out of your selves. Go drink your kool-aid and crawl under your rock.

Give me a @#$#@$#@$ break. Our Veterens from Iraq and Afghanistan didn’t die for our freedoms. They died to murder brown people because it serves the mega corp and mega gove’s agenda of world domination. 911 was an inside job. BUILDING 7 BUILDING 7!!!!!!!! LOOK UP WHAT HAPPENED TO BUILDING 7 IF YOU STILL STUBORNLY BELIEVE THAT OUR GOVERNMENT IS INCAPABLE OF SUCH EVIL BY STAGING A TERRORIST ATTACK ON 911 TO FURTHER ITS AGENDA. Not one damn thing from the Iraq and Afghan wars has made our nation safer. Our nation is drowning in debt and now we have a gestapo police state that is trained on the American people and not on muslims.

If our war against terrorism is legit, then why are our southern borders wide open? We lock down the airports with TSA tyranny, so why not lock down the damn borders with TSA style tyrranny?

Also, ask any frontline warrior to see if what he has done in Iraq and Afghanistan has really made us safer. I can see why so many soliders kill themselves every year. I probably would want to kill myself also if I shed brown middle east blood so fat cats can ultimately get richer in the military industrial complex what Dwight D. E. warned us about.

IF YOU SUPPORT THE IRAQ AND AFGHAN WARS THEN YOU MUST SUPPORT CHINA INVADING OUR COUNTRY TO SUBDUE SOME GROUP OF PEOPLE. WHAT GIVES US THE RIGHT TO POLICE THE WORLD BUT NO ONE ELSE???????????????

Lets reverse 911 for a minute. Lets say that on Sep 11, 2001, a group of red necks from Texas called “AL-Hicks” (in place of alqueida) decide to bomb Tinnamin square (can’t spell this site of tyranny and bloodshed and won’t bother to spell correctly) in China. China in retaliation invades the US in TEXAS with the puported goal of locating and subduing the Al-Hicks. Meanwhile, Chinese troups run checkpoints, confiscate our firearms, bomb us and accidently kill some of US citizens, etc., while in search of a few AL-hicks hiding in the deserts of Texas.

WOULD WE BE OK WITH THIS????????????????????

Dip, those Brave Men and Women didn’t die in vain as you want to believe, they died defending others and that includes people like you who love to dish others and want nothing more than what the government want to give you. As to those innocent Iraqi or Afgans some of those so-called innocent were trying to kill us and their buddies took off and took their weapons with them so they could be used again or they were killed by one of their own people. So, Fella, why don’t you grow a pair and go find out for yourself what is happening over there. Oh, yeah, as to those military people who are killing themselves because they can’t stand the pressure of their actions. Well, for your information they are doing it because of idiots like you who say you support them and then turn around and call them names. Try for once in your miserable life to welcome them home and try to understand what we have gone through.

Wow, I keep reading your posts and you keep digging yourself deeper and deeper into the ignorance hole! You have proven beyond any doubt that you are uninformed, uneducated and have very poor thought processes! But then this administration needs people like you in order to accomplish their sick goals…so keep up the good work!

SAM I AM, Good for you. I’m so tired of the B.S. from john Doe American who doesn’t know s#!t from shinola. How anyone can live blindfolded to the truth is just sad. Unfortunately, 90% of the 99% are brain dead. “Power to the People” IS and oxymoron.

If all the hot air being spewed by the Sheeple could be captured, we’d have enough energy to shut off the oil.

Democracy???? How is that when a major stance at all the OWS mobs is the overthrow of Democracy and Captialism? Over 30% espouse violence as the way to force the issue? And the Tea Party are the zealots and radicals?

How about the opposition? Moles get paid too. How else to ignite an otherwise friendly protest by inducing aggression into the collective mobs minds and as we all know, people are idiots and followers of idiots and there’s no line drawn in the ground to distinguish who’s an idiot and who’s a perpetrator.

Tim,

You better do a little more homework; these are protesters predominantly paid by you, the taxpayer. The sponsering organization? It used to be called ACORN. These are likely 80-95% leftist thugs who want to bring down what’s left of the free market.

The people who really are excercising democracy are in the Tea Party. they are far more respectively of private property. They don’t throw things at police or crap on squad cars.

You need to do a little more reading!

Speaking of doing more reading…When exactly was the last attack on unarmed TEA party protesters?
This is the dawning if the American spring!

The “Tea Party” doesn’t do anything to provoke an attack as these idiot have done!!! You need to read, and does the M.D. stand for mentally deficient????

Protesters are Nazi’s? How lame! 95% are leftist thugs? More trash talk from the ignorant. 30% espouse violence? The violence is coming from the police and the mouths of the commenter’s here. You want anyone to believe that you would protect free speech and assembly? Fat chance of that with all this swill.

Well said, Tim. I am
Reading these replys and can see the brainwashing…
While the rich rob them blind they defend the policies to the death.

Tim and M.D. are obviously uneducated about fixing problems. You guys think protesting large homeowners would fix high tax rates, too. The OWS mobs are doing nothing for the cause they claim to be, if they even know what they’re protesting. They are a distraction from getting things done. Rights are NOT absolute. If you’re not part of the solution you ARE the problem. All you prove is the percentage of gullable people is very high.

The protesters are useful idiots, nothing more. They are being used as the means to an end…and it all falls right on Obama’s door steps. This is his civilian army…and the Unions, Black Panthers, Socialists and Communist Parties of America are now being sent in as reinforcements. Most of the women have left the groups as it is too dangerous for them to be there…soon we will see the beginnings of their true purpose…riots and civil unrest, resulting in martial law and no elections. North Carolina Governor Beverly Perdue was not kidding when she said she wanted the coming elections put on hold!

M.D. does that stand for Me Dumb?

M D
Dumbass! The ‘rich’ are the GOLDEN GOOSE!!! THEY create jobs, THEY spend money, THEY hire people. Go ahead, kill the GOLDEN GOOSE, then tell me where you are going to get the money to support those lazy brainwashed socialists! We are headed for a 3rd world country, which is what Obummer was put in place to do. The ‘rich’ will just leave. Mark my words. It’s idiots like you that are destroying the country.

Just because the ‘rich’ may provide some jobs does not make it right for the rich to only pay 15% tax while the middle class pay 29% – 35% tax.
And some ‘rich’ banks are sitting on billions of dollars and refuse to provide mortgage relief to help people avoid foreclosure or buy homes – and ‘rich’ corporations making billions of profits refuse to hire any Americans.
If these rich people are the job-makers, then how come there are so many unemployed??? WHERE are the jobs they are supposedly providing? The top 1% (the ultra-rich) increased their income almost 275% (according to the CBO (Congressional Budget Office)since 1979. I think they are spending their money on luxuries and creating themselves more wealth rather than creating any jobs.

Liztalk: It would take 10 ‘average’ people paying 29 to 35% to equal what one millionaire or billionaire pays in one year. The percentage may be lower, but the top 10% still 70% of taxes paid in America. So, SHUT UP your ignorant mouth!

You admit that the rate the rich pay is lower. That’s not fair, no matter the total money collected from the rich. It’s the unfair comparable RATE that matters. Why should I pay 30% tax while Warren Buffett pays only 17.5% ???

And it’s not very nice to say “shut your ignorant mouth.” And it doesn’t encourage free expression or speech.

How sad. You can’t create a job for yourself and you have to allow others to piss on you in order to give you a job! I created my own job and employ myself and 20+ in the U.S. and abroad. I came to this country penniless as an immigrant 25 years ago. Your problem is, you have come to expect from others for your existence and continue to allow them to fix the system against the 99% so that the latter fall dependent on the former for their mere existence. I thought it was you supposed ‘conservatives’ who said pull yourself by your bootstraps! You continue to sit on your lazy, much less not support any struggle against tyranny, you will find yourself with no bootstraps.

The 1% don’t create jobs. They aggregate money, often using loopholes in the law and straight out thievery. In fact, they benefit from joblessness and bankruptcy. Why do you think they have been getting richer as the rest of the country is sinking.

Thank you Serawit;

Even as coming to this country as you did, and not only making a life for yourself but for others also, you have not failed to see the truth to the subject.

What is sickening is to watch, listen and read what fools will say to merely follow their own versions of political party hype, just to support their own “educated” ideas and politicos under a facade of tarnished truths.

I see the blindness on both sides. One group crying foul when corporations are unfairly taxed, and the other when common people are unfairly taxed.

One side claims that if corporations weren’t so highly taxed, they would move their businesses back into the US. Yet I say, how can you prove that, when corporate America is going to do what is best for them, not the common people. I say that if you make the tax system so lucratively functional for the corporations and wealthy to be attracted under your claims of more job creativity, that the only people who will prosper will be those very corporations and wealthy parties. You use examples of other countries with very low tax systems on corporate powers, but fail to define fully what condition the people themselves are in within those countries, whether there are jobs or not. Its what those jobs provide for the people that matter, and how much of a burden paying the actual taxes the country runs on is to the common people. If you haven’t noticed, America is not suppose to be for creating corporate power, its suppose to be a place where people kind find a livelihood based in freedom and fairness.

The other side says that the common people need to see fairness in the taxation system.

Both sides say that the tax code now, is impudent and solves no problems other than allowing the government to hide what it collects and how it spends it.

I say both sides are too blind to find a resolve to the problems at all, and would probably prove themselves as futile and incompetent as Congress has shown itself to be in the last decade and especially the last 3 years or so.

Let’s take for example, the stupid example given by supporters who stand against higher corporate taxes, or what I would prefer, alternative corporate taxes. They quote Ireland and a prime piece of corporate fertilizer (creating jobs and a sound economy).

I say it has merely moved the tax burden from the corporate owners to the people themselves.

Ireland’s unemployment rate went from around 4.5% in 2005 to 7.5% in 2007 to its now current rate of 14.5%.

You can’t increase taxes on a people that are crippled by the financial losses. Corporations in Ireland have recovered, and expected to do better as those profits increase.

In Ireland the tax rates for an individual in 2011 are 20% to 41%.

Tax base (EUR) Tax (%)
0 – 32,800 20%
32,801 41%

over 41% on base exceeding 32,800

The rate of tax payable on capital gains in 2011 is 25% for individuals

There are progresive rates of tax for certain income earners.

In Ireland the standard corporate tax rate in 2011 is currently fixed at 12.5%. For trading income.

Corporate tax of 25% is imposed on passive income.

Ireland Value Added Tax

In most cases, from 1.1.2010 the standard VAT in Ireland is 21%.

There is a reduced rate of 13.5%.

VAT is charged on assets and services in Ireland as well as on imports into Ireland.
The minimum turnover for registering with the VAT authorities is EUR 37,500 (for services) and EUR 75,000 (for goods).
VAT returns are made once every two months. In certain cases, it is possible to make a return once a year.

Ireland Transactions that are Exempt from VAT
The following products and services are exempt from VAT:
Export.
Health and medical services.
Children’s clothing.
Insurance and banking services.
Food.
Agricultural fertilizers.

Ireland Inheritance tax/gift tax

Tax is payable on an inheritance in Ireland, and on gifts.

The tax is known as CAT (Capital Acquisition Tax).

When either the donor of the gift/the testator or the recipient of the gift/the heir is an Irish resident, the tax is also applicable to overseas assets.

The tax is payable at 25%, over and above the amount of the exemption.

The amount of the exemption varies between EUR 16,592 and EUR 331,839.

Class of Relief (Deductions) Amount – EUR
Basic credit 1,650
Exemption for a married couple 3,300
Exemption limits for a senior citizen 18,000
Single parent 1,650
Rent on a residential apartment 3,200
Medical insurance at source
Payment to an approved pension scheme Subject to ceiling
Mortgage interest 20%-25% For first time buyers

Referenced from http://www.worldwide-tax.com/ireland

Ireland now has the highest level of household debt relative to disposable income in the developed world at 190%.

The economic climate has led to resumed emigration.

National Recovery Plan 2011-2014

In November 2010 the Irish Government published the National Recovery plan, which aims to restore order to the public finances and to bring its deficit in line with the EU target of 3% of economic output by 2015.[58] It involves a budget adjustment of €15 billion (€10 billion in public expenditure cuts and €5billion in taxes) over a four-year period. This will be front loaded in 2011 where measures totaling €6 billion are planned. VAT is to increase to 23% by 2014 and property tax and domestic water charges are to be introduced.

Personally, if you are a common citizen in Ireland, you might be better off to move to England now.

Yep it sure looks like democracy to me. Sorry but I live in the United States and this is a Republic. All you have to do to remember that is to put your hand over your heart (right hand not left like the obamas) and repeat the Pledge of Allegiance. You know the part that says “and to the Republic for which it stands”?

tee……hee….heee. The REAL protestors? What or Whom are they protesting? And when do you stop and go get a f***** job? Huh? I am 72 yrs old and work 12 hours a day while these yahoos stretch out in a bunk ——in MY County park that I pay taxes on. They don’t. Come on younguns, get the f***up and go to work. You are not the center of the world and never will be. Yo Momma didn’t raise you right.

Tim,

You dare to call these people heros? What have they done to help mankind? They are at best self-centered “protesting” the capitalist system that has made the United States the most powerful country in the world in the mere 235+/- years it has existed.

The heros are the men and women who have offered their lives to defend the likes of these people to protest in the park.

As Cain would say, you’re talking apples and oranges.
I’ve been to many Tea Parties, local and in DC, and we were courteous, respectful of property rights, and clean. As opposed to these Fleabaggers, who turn their campsites into open sewers, disturb neighbors at all hours, disregard the rights of others to freely move about their business, and spew anti-semetic rhetoric and encourage violence. When they learn to behave in a civilized manner, they’ll be treated as civilized people. Until then, the police should babysit them and discipline them as their parents never have.

If that were true, I’d agree but it’s propaganda – the truth is they have been clean and respectful but have gotten a rash more pushback. Only after being repeatedly assaulted was there any hint of pushback.
Finding reasons for some people to all some exercise free speech and not others should scare everyone.

I guess you have missed the many videos depicting how false your statements are. Again does M.D. stand for Me Dumb?

If you want to exercise a right, put your time to good use. The only right the OWS’ers are exercising well is the right to be stupid. That’s the right prefered by people who don’t connect their actions with the claimed intention. It’s a liberal’s frequent choice.

I believe CJ says there should be less socialism in government yet it seems to be growing. So how is that working out for Conservatives who’s actions don’t jive with their intentions? You wish and hope just like the “stupid” people. You love using stupid name callings to get your stupid opinions across so how does that feel,stupid?

I doubt that there are any Conservatives or Republicans involved in these illegal acts. If you can prove otherwise, please do so. Conservatives and Republicans are too busy working and making their way through life to be bothered with such nonsense.

Exactly. I saw some guy complain, with a Fine Arts degree, he couldn’t find a job. I bet if he had a degree in math or science, he’d have employers lined up to offer him a job.

That is your problem Capitalist you really don’t have a clue who is down there but make assumptions from your easy chair. Yes there are conservatives there and I have talked to them and yes they were unemployed.

Let them protest.It may keep them from going out and committing heinous acts of crime.If someone needs to vent,let them vent.Dont assume that just because you dont see eye to eye with them,that it doesnt mean they dont have legitimate complaints.
We are here stuck in this mess because we stood by and watched the elite take all the power for themselves.
We opened the door for them,because we felt comfortable,sitting there at home playing with our toys.
Now that they’ve taken advantage o0f us,we’re getting mad?
What did we expect them to do?
Its not like you were upset when everything was going well for you and they were taking advantage of you then too.But you werent complaining because you had your toys to go and buy and your big domicile to go and stash them in.
The line of credit only went so far and now you are pissed off because you cant keep up with the Jones’s anymore?
Someone set a trap for you and you what….stumbled into it?
No!
You willingly put your head in the noose because somebody said you would be safe doing it.
You call them greedy but you enjoyed living the high life while it lasted didnt you?
So now its wall streets fault?
You had better go back and check out your bank statements.
You played along with the game and bought the lie until it didnt work to your advantage any longer.Now you are pissed off because your Daddy took the T-bird away.
You cant ignore the rules and then complain about the game.

Let them protest in futility.Their whole existence is about futility.
They will work their whole lives and be as dead as Ghaddafy,when they are done.They wont even thank their Creator,and will have stored up the nothing that they receive.
At least they will turn back to stardust right?
They had the monumental task of saving a nation.
but instead,they worried about themselves.
This aint the first rodeo,folks.
History has been here before.
Did we learn from it?
Heck,most of us ignore it becuse it gets in the way of our ignorance.
You cant pay good money to be that kind of stupid.
And yet,you managed to do it quite well.Here’s to you America,land of the slaves and home of the weak!
Cheers…….
-CC.

So, I am supposed to believe that Wall Street Financiers and Corporations will stand up and NOT lobby the GOVERNMENT for CONGRESSIONAL FAVORS and Regulation to their advantage? And with all the protesting which is your right under the Constitution of this REPUBLIC, the culprits, Wall Street and INTERNATIONAL CORPORATIONS will just throw in the towel out of pity for the social injustices they have done to you? Of course you should stand up and LOUDLY PROCLAIM REDRESS OF PERCEIVED INJUSTICES, But WHO exactly do you think is in control? WHO/THE PRESIDENT/CONGRESS? is going to do anything about the injustices if you don’t TELL THEM? And NO under no circumstance are the police allowed to use force during these demonstrations unless force is being applied to them. Breaking the law and being discourteous to your fellow citizens will not accomplish anything except ill will from them. You’re tromping upon something that belongs to all the the “public” many of them in your same boat. Protest yes, it is a must, but sing it to the correct audience. Corporations can’t CHANGE TAX LAW nor Can Any of the Wall Street Businesses. YOUR BELOVED GOVERNMENT DOES ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS FOR 20 YEARS NOW, SUCKING THE FRUITS OF ALL OF OUR LABOR to giveaway or spend on meaningless war machines and themselves.