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When Revolutions Roll Out Of Control

October 26, 2011 by  

When Revolutions Roll Out Of Control

This is the autumn of our discontent. I believe something sinister is coming down the pipe. Week after week of demonstrations around the world could be a harbinger of revolt and even mass violence.

I am in the second half-century of my life. All my life, I followed the news because I was at the side of my father, a writer and publisher whose job was to predict investment trends. Not once in all these decades have I seen such troubled times, and that includes my memories of the 1960s.

I suspect a spark has been struck and we are all headed down a very destructive path, one that will not only destroy wealth through economic deflation but something worse: a period of violence wrought by tough times and widespread anger.

It will be up to historians to decide if the genesis of economic and social implosion began with the crash of 2008, the discontent that followed in Europe, or recent events — the mass protests that have been visited on major centers from Wall Street to Warsaw, Poland.

What is certain is that Western democracies are reaping what they sowed, especially in the United States. What began as a small group of protesters in Manhattan’s financial district has grown steadily. It now encompasses student groups, labor unions and, in some cases, the dregs of society.

The protesters in the United States call themselves “the 99 percent.” They say they represent the vast numbers of Americans struggling to pay their bills, while the income gap between the rich and the middle class widens. Throughout the ages, we have seen how small protests can turn into whirlwinds of violence.

Henry Ford said, “History is bunk.” I am convinced that the good and evil that have been expressed throughout the ages reside in today’s world. The worst evils are committed by “the crowd.” It is “the crowd” that rolls forward like a hand grenade with its pin set to slip out any second. It is “the crowd” that created the bloody madness that was the French Revolution.

The similarities between those events that lead to The Terror in France and what is occurring in the citadels of today’s civilization should not be ignored. Key to anticipating the future is an understanding of the past.

Like the United States that fought both the Cold War and decade-long wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, 18th century France spent decades fighting wars it could not afford. This overextended King Louis XVI’s treasury. Rather than taxing the elite of French society in an attempt to make up the imbalance, the king taxed the commoners who faced higher inflation as well as greater demands from the crown. The Bourbon Dynasty, which had persisted for 500 years, was forced to make compromises to the French people in 1789 because masses of unemployed people drifted toward urban centers where they were stirred into a frenzy.

In 1781 Louis approved a new council. A year later, the monarchy was abolished. However, that did not save the king’s head or the head of his wife, Marie Antoinette.

France had all the ingredients for revolt that we see in the United States. It had a leader who was impotent, and an economic crisis that could not be corrected. Only the wealthy elite were protected from the ravages of rising taxes and higher inflation.

One final link: The Court of King Louis XVI was hamstrung when it came to the nation’s energy needs. Coal was in short supply in France and had to be imported at great expense from other countries, many of which were seeking France’s ruination. It sounds much like America’s reliance on Arab oil today.

Wars were crucial in the demise of Bourbon France. In his book, The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers, famous historian Paul Kennedy writes:

The cost of a sixteenth-century war could be measured in millions of pounds; by the late-seventeenth century, it had risen to tens of millions of pounds; and at the close of the Napoleonic War the outgoings of the major combatants occasionally reached a hundred million pounds a year.

Kennedy adds that, “the link between national bankruptcy and revolution was all too clear.”

No sooner had I read this than I watched Republican presidential candidate Representative Ron Paul, R-Texas, on CNN. According to Paul, military expenditures have cost the United States $4 trillion over the past decade.

The Second American Revolution

I do not believe that what is going on today around Wall Street is what Thomas Jefferson had in mind when he wrote in a letter to James Madison on Jan. 30, 1787, in reference to Shay’s Rebellion: “I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.”

I don’t think we are facing a little rebellion. All rebellions start small; but some, like the one France experienced and what we may have to endure, could be earth-shattering.

The reasons are simple: too much debt and too little economic growth. Consider the facts:

  • The U.S. unemployment rate stands above 9 percent. The true unemployment rate, which takes into account people who have given up looking for work, is close to 17 percent.
  • For the past decade, U.S. stock indexes have been flat.  Accounting for inflation, they have actually declined. Many Americans have lost a lifetime of savings.
  • The U.S. money supply has grown threefold in the past three years. If the investment banks ever stop collecting bonuses and lend this money, it will trigger double-digit inflation; an event which will make Americans even more angry.
  • Since the stock indexes peaked in 2007, real income for Americans has dropped 10 percent. Despite the addition of trillions of new dollars courtesy of the Federal Reserve, many Americans are undergoing the greatest loss of wealth since the Great Depression.

The U.S. and other Western democracies stand at a precipice. It is a situation that is sending citizens to the streets in protest. Economic collapses and protests can quickly spill over with violence.

In case you think I am exaggerating the danger, consider these recent words from columnist Frank Miele of Daily Inter Lake:

The Russian Revolution (which coincidentally was another October Revolution) started out with slogans and protests, too, just like “Occupy Wall Street.” Of course, life in 1917 Petrograd was a lot harder and a lot more desperate than it is today in Philadelphia or New York — but the ruffians on the streets don’t care about that because they don’t study history. If they did, they might be more apt to follow the Russian example and overthrow Obama’s czars who have imposed absurd and unwieldy regulations on banking and business instead of trying to destroy the capitalists who actually have the capacity to create wealth — and jobs.

Action to take: I usually sign off suggesting you buy precious metals or a resource stock that looks good. This week, I urge you to consider what you will do if you and your family are beset by an emergency. In that case, Krugerrand gold or American Silver Eagle coins will not be of much use. I suggest you store lots of fresh water, canned foods, guns and ammunition. I hope I am dead wrong, but these items may be critical. In 30 years, I have never written such extreme advice. However, we may be entering the most extreme period of our lifetimes.

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers
Editor, Myers’ Energy & Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • the survivor

    there’ll be no blood shed til the entitlements are cut and the governments know that, that’s why they’ll beg, borrow and take everything you have to keep the have nots happy. When the 47 million on food stampe get hungry, all bets are off, they may protest the first week when they can’t get their drugs,doritos,chips and soda, after that when they start getting hunger pains, I wouldn’t want to be in any city, not that I would want to be in one now.

    Fox says:

    When you run out of food, water, and ammo, what are ya gonna do then, give up?

    then you either become a taker like the people who took from you or you’ll be in one of the mass graves that someone may or not dig up in the next century.

    • Lastmanstanding

      Survivor you are right on. I have been making that same prediction for a long time. I don’t know why that it is hard for so many to understand…

      “give me liberty, or give me death.”

  • Dagger

    I have noticed that these so-called peaceful demonstrations are beginning to take a turn towards violence and attacks on police. Surely, they will grow more violent as time passes.

  • Malocchio

    Congressmen live in a glass house. They are unwilling to live as their “subjects” do i.e. recieve Social Security and Medicare. They create rules whereby full pension can be drawn (at the taxpayers expense) after a few years of service in Congress and want the age limit risen to 67 for the public to get Social Security? It sounds like they are SETTING THEMSELVES UP FOR A REVOLUTION . They consider themselves above the law. Mel Martinez has free Healthcare and Pension for life after 6 years of public service. Larry Craig, who solicited (while in office) men in a public restroom will STILL collect a pension and free healthcare.

  • Dagger

    I would like to know why these “experts” continue to recommend that we buy and hold precious metals(ie: gold Krugerrands or silver coins)? What good is gold or silver going to be if there is no food nor water to buy and you are dying from thirst and hunger? Besides that point considering that the fabric of society descends into anarchy and there are violent riots and people killing people for food and water, the rioters will just kill you and take your gold and silver. Most likely, there will not be any stores left that will not have been destroyed by the rioters and looters. Banks will not be open, money will be worthless and this includes gold and silver. I ask the question again; what the hell good is it to hoard gold and silver when you are dying of thirst and starvation and there is no place to spend your gold or silver?

    • JC

      This was part of the article above…

      Action to take: I usually sign off suggesting you buy precious metals or a resource stock that looks good. This week, I urge you to consider what you will do if you and your family are beset by an emergency. In that case, Krugerrand gold or American Silver Eagle coins will not be of much use. I suggest you store lots of fresh water, canned foods, guns and ammunition. I hope I am dead wrong, but these items may be critical. In 30 years, I have never written such extreme advice. However, we may be entering the most extreme period of our lifetimes.

      Yours in good times and bad,

      –John Myers
      Editor, Myers’ Energy & Gold Report

    • Lastmanstanding

      Dagger…if/when shtf and you live in a community that is away from the bigger cities, the govt will pretty much cease to exist…people will barter for things that they need…some have excesses of items and will trade them for pms because they know that they canuse them to get items from elsewhere…You must think outside the box!!!

      Look back in time 200 years for the answers. People lived without all this crap that we have today…WITH THE KEY WORD BEING “LIVED”

      If I lived in the city, I would be armed to the teeth and looking for an escape plan as the 2012 election may be the breaking point.

      For those of you who are squeemish about protecting yourself and your family…get over it! have your discussion with God now and continue to do so until there is no other choice as to whether you will live or die…

      God bless America…hopefully he will forgive us as we could have behaved much better.

    • S Barringer

      I fully agree. Also, in many cases, the people who buy the gold don’t have physical possession of it. If it’s in someone else’s vault 500 miles away, what good is it?
      Sunday, a friend of mine who is just beginning to wake up to the humongous mess we’re in, told me he wanted to buy some gold. I told him, unless you have (even then) physical possession, you don’t own anything. Your number one investment should be weapons; after that, goods that can be bartered since the money system (especially dollars) will not be recognized by anyone.

      • DaveH

        I like silver. Smaller values, easier to trade, and when things get really bad, you can use it to make bullets for the Werewolves.

    • ExCaliBagger

      We can melt them down an make bullets……

    • Alej

      Sounds like Dagger is irritated that he didn’t start “stacking” when the price of gold and silver was 1/3 or 1/4 of what it is now. Late for the party ?

      When you straggle by my front gate and want some food, you’d best have something to trade for it. You be de grasshopper, and we’s be de ants !!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The ants were not stockpiling gold and silver.What will you do when your own stock piles of food run out and other peoples’ as well? How much water do you plan to stock pile? What will you do when water runs out and there are water shortages or the rivers run dry and there is no rain?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

  • JC

    From Bill Bonner at the Daily Reckoning:

    We stick to our guns. Yes, dear readers, guns are what you are probably going to want. Right now, the revolutionaries are mostly peaceful. That’s how revolutions begin. The elites think they can manage the situation. They express their sympathies to the protestors. They promise reforms.

    “We are on their side,” says President Obama.

    New Yorkers are overwhelmingly behind them. And the press — which ignored them for weeks — suddenly finds nice things to say about their cause, when they can figure out what their cause is.

    Later on…when the protestors become more violent and more determined…and after the elites push back…then you’ll wish you had guns.

    The police will shoot the protestors. Then, the protestors will shoot the police. They’ll probably both be shooting at you. It will be a real revolution!

    And what’s behind it?

    Forty-six million people on food stamps.

    One hundred million who have not had a real raise in 40 years.

    Twenty-five million without real jobs. Twenty million who will never have real jobs.

    One out of five mortgaged homeowners who are underwater.

    But that’s just the beginning. Wait until the hoi polloi begin to realize how things work.

    We remember when the government was throwing money at “minority” contractors back in the ’70s and ’80s. Politicians and lobbyists hustled to find a ‘person of color’ who could be a front man. Savvy businessmen formed new enterprises in their wives’ names. How women got to be a minority we never did understand, but that is how it worked. Maybe it still does. If you were a ‘minority’ you could get special treatment… You could become a zombie.

    The next big feeding frenzy was the ‘War on Terror.’ Billions were being spent. Again, the insiders got on the phone and invented businesses to take the money — ‘security’ firms…logistics support…armor and equipment…food…training. Software was a favorite. You could spend billions developing software. Who knew if it worked or not? Arnaud de Borchgrave describes how the supply chain worked:

    Billions have vanished into the offshore accounts of American and foreign contractors. In Iraq, an estimated $6.6 billion are unaccounted for.

    To power anything at a remote outpost, a gallon of fuel has to be shipped into Karachi, Pakistan, and then driven 800 miles over 18 days to Afghanistan on roads that are sometimes little more than improved goat trails.

    There are frequent ambushes by Pakistani bandits or Taliban guerrillas who impose “tolls” — and occasionally blow up tankers so others get the message.

    Then, as “green” legislation became a fad, the insiders saw another opportunity. They called in brothers-in-law and old friends. Engineers were hired. Contracts were let. Companies were listed on the public markets. The Bay Citizen, from San Jose, CA, reports:

    Three weeks before Solyndra, the solar-panel manufacturer, based in Fremont, declared bankruptcy, the United States Department of Energy issued a $197 million loan guarantee to another Bay Area solar company…

    Like Solyndra, which failed despite a $535 million federal loan guarantee, SoloPower, based in San Jose, is a politically connected firm that produces thin film panels built with copper, indium, gallium and selenium (or CIGS) instead of silicon, the basis of most photovoltaic panels.

    Energy Department officials have cited a worldwide drop in silicon prices as a major factor in Solyndra’s demise. Some analysts are now looking at SoloPower and asking why the federal government — as it worked furiously to keep Solyndra from going bankrupt — made a major investment in a company that relied on a similar technology.

    In its six-year existence, SoloPower has experienced internal discord — it paid a $20 million buyout to its founders — and has yet to turn a profit.

    Pretty sweet, huh? You start a business. The feds get behind it. The business never makes a penny. But you leave with a cool $20 million.

    Good work if you can get it. And the people who can’t get it — the people without connections to the elite — are getting pretty upset about it.

    Regards,

    Bill Bonner
    for The Daily Reckoning

    • Lastmanstanding

      JC. Thanks for this post…many of us that have been researching and reading know that this is the truth.

      The problem is that many/most are oblivious.

    • DaveH

      He forgot to mention the Drug Wars.

      • JC

        Which one Dave? The one the Government is supposedly waging on drug cartels, or the one that Big Pharma is waging on us and our children with all the help they can get from DC?

      • Jay

        I don’t profess to speak for Dave, JC, but i would think he meant both!

    • John Myers

      Dear Bill,

      I am thrilled that you read my column. I so much enjoyed the opportunity I had writing for you and Agora. I have tried to cultivate the independent thinking that you and the terrific writers that work with you. I consider you, my late dad C.V., and Chip Wood, to be my mentors.

      Warmly,

      John

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    We dont owe those bastards.

  • http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

    I have had this gut feeling for a few years now that “something ain’t right and things are’nt how they should be”. but somehow, try as I may, I could,nt say for sure why I thought so. Now it is becoming a lot clearer as I realize that we have gone so far as to become stymied. With the if’s, maybe’s and possibilities preached daily by the media and economists, few of whom are in agreement, it is no wonder that not only myself but many others became bewildered.
    Well, I for one am no longer bewildered. I have come to realize that our leaders have made a mess of things and are blatantly incapable of doing anything about it. I do not have the answer but then, in my humble opinion, I sincerely do believe that no one has, everybody is just guessing and that we are in very serious trouble when it comes to money matters. Spiritually of course, the matter is quite the reverse. It does not matter that you have very little or very much, what matters is that you appreciate whatever you have, be grateful and try to extend some respect and decency to those with whom you come into contact as well as the environment and all the creatures that inhabit that environment. If you do not have such thoughts, beliefs and honest intentions in that direction, then it matters not how wealthy you may be – you will be spiritually destitute. Bet on it. Hopefully the Wall Street tycoons and the step sitters will find some common ground. I seriously doubt it and trust that there will be no violence as I await the unfolding of the rest of this play which promises extraordinary and unbelievable scenes with an awe inspiring climax which will leave most of us in shock and totally dumbstruck. See you through the window. Take care and good luck.

  • Fox

    Storing food, water, guns, and ammunition is never a bad idea. But how is your soul prepared?

    I’m a retired Marine, so I’d guess I have a fair chance of surviving, but I also fear Yahweh more than any man. I figured several years ago to make sure my soul was prepared, then the rest would take care of itself.

    I have heard it said, and I believe, “God does not call the equipped; He equips the called.”

    When you run out of food, water, and ammo, what are ya gonna do then, give up?

  • ABIGAIL

    If we can defeat this America hater and get someone in with guts, we can take back this country in a hurry. An election victory alone would help markedly. Just the knowledge that he’s gone should improve morale.
    We then need a President who will eliminate agencies, depts. and cabinet positions as well as czars. Let’s start there. I’m not necessarily an optimist but we can change things and save our country. Despite some similarities we are not 18th century France or 2oth century Russia. We are like no other country on earth. Remember both those nations had no experience with democracy they had always been ruled by autocrats. That’s not us. We need to be vigilant and support those who will take our country forward in the way the founding fathers hoped.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    John
    Again you are wrong I quote you bellow but if you go to the supplied link you will see that the US only imports 16% of our oil from the Persian gulf (Arab country’s)
    The unwashed mob at WAll Street and around the rest of the Country and world for that matter;want accountability in the banking system and the government.
    The banking system through it’s greed has shown that it needs to be regulated and watched very closely.
    Our Government is in shambles do to the fact the political party’s are more interested in there survival then the work of the people.The Revolution will be in the ballot box not in the street

    “One final link: The Court of King Louis XVI was hamstrung when it came to the nation’s energy needs. Coal was in short supply in France and had to be imported at great expense from other countries, many of which were seeking France’s ruination. It sounds much like America’s reliance on Arab oil today”

    http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/research/crude-oil/where-the-us-gets-its-oil-from/

    • Capitalist at Birth

      I was going to point that out to John as well. I believe that it is actually less than16% today. But, the percentage of oil Europe gets from the Arab and Persians is much greater, therefore still a threat to U.S. National Security.

    • DaveH

      The Liberals through their greed have shown that they need to be regulated and watched very closely.

      • eddie47d

        Your too funny Dave. You must have friends in high places to generalize like that. Who are you protecting? Those “honest” hedge Fund Managers. LOL

      • DaveH

        I was paraphrasing the sgt.
        There are immoral people in all walks of life, Eddie. Unions, for instance, are inherently immoral because they coercively extract money from the company owners. But that doesn’t mean ALL workers are bad.

      • eddie47d

        There again several commenter’s condemn all unions although few are corrupt. Yet it still gets played out as if they are. Dave is 100% against unions and brags about it often. Unions members are all thieves according to Dave but Hedge Fund managers aren’t when there is ample proof that there is.

  • Glenn Smith

    If we could get rid of the people problem in this nation….The leader problem would go away! Until we as a Nation return to GOD…Nothing we do is going to help! We need to change the way people think…one at a time! We have lost our moral compass and our family values…John3:16

    • DaveH

      We can start by getting our kids out of the Propaganda schools, and by pushing hard for Educational Freedom for our children.

  • S.C. Murf

    Good article John, everything is coming to a head and it will affect the U.S. bigtime. Got to remember the 7 P’s, prior proper planning prevents piss poor performance. Time to stock up on everything including Faith.

    up the hill
    airborne

    • John Myers

      Dear S.C. Murf,

      I liked what you had to say.

      To all you readers, I learn as much or more from your comments (good and bad), each week, than I probably provide.

      So I thank all of you who take time out of your busy day to read what I have to say and to Bob who gives me an opportunity to say it.

      Best,

      John Myers

  • Henry

    I think jealousy and envy are the driving forces in these protests. They are not addressing the real facts how the housing bubble was created. They just blame Wall Street. The housing bubble which in my opionion is the bubble of all times. It has stopped the mobility for everyone who owns a home. Every home owner has lost a great deal of the value before the bubble burst. There was this great buildup of housing. Just think of this. Normally, 64 percent of Americans owned homes. During the bubble, this increased to 72percent. This extra 8 percent increased demand and the price of homes to very high levels. Now, the prices are coming down as they must. I am being hurt. Everyone is being hurt, except in Washington DC, where all the money is from government. They are like untouched in that particular market.

    These loans were taken out in fradulent ways. People lied and no checks were made that made any difference in the making or not making of that loan. It wasn’t Wall Street. It wasn’t the bankers. It was some mortgage companies and the government along with Fannie Mae and Mac. Preceding government wanted everyone to have a home. Having government involvement was and is a disaster as is readily seen today.

    All those people who worked on those “new homes” are now out of work for the most part. Just think about those people who did the work. They were working in this bubble enviroment and now they will have to find another line of work.

    So, you Wall Street Protestors, go protest the White House and the senate and the house of representatives. This is where it all started from.

    • Ellen

      I agree on the housing issue. It was an idealistic policy to think that everyone should own a home regardless of their ability to pay for it. I think the reason our government pushed this is that construction was our biggest manufacturing industry since most manufacturing jobs went overseas. Pushing the housing market kept people employed in constuction, as well as in the mortgage industry. Unfortunately, the bad loans caught up to us and those industries collapsed. Anyone who owns a home (majority of Americans) was negatively impacted by the dropping home values. Many of us paid more for our homes than they are worth. As long as we don’t need to sell, that loss is only on paper. This is the same as our 401k plans. We need the economy to get rolling again so they will increase in value, but as long as Obama is president our economy will remain stalled.

      • Joyce from Loris

        Ellen, you said the key word here… LOANS! We have changed our nation to believe that they must be IN DEBT to own anything! I remember (yes, I am older) the days when you worked and SAVED YOUR MONEY to make major purchases such as a home, a car, a television. Now days, people go out to dinner and put the bill on a charge card! We paid cash for our house and farm, our cars, etc. If people would go back to those standards, you would see the cost of EVERYTHING come down. If you don’t have the money to make your purchase, DON’T BUY IT UNTIL YOU DO. Even our nation is drowning in debt because it can’t wait, all our government can think about is borrow, borrow, borrow!

      • DaveH

        The fly in the ointment, Joyce, is the Federal Reserve. Due to their inflationary policies, you might set money aside for a future purpose only to find out by then that the price has increased to such an extent that your savings are only a fraction of the new purchase price. We need to end the Federal Reserve and get back to sound money so people can once again save safely for the future.

      • erick

        Ellen, you need to look at the big picture. The collapse was planned by the international banksters long ago. A God fearing America as we knew it was always a threat to one world government. Google: Tri-lateral commission, Agenda 21, George Soros, and Georgia guide stones.

  • ALFRED E. NEUMAN

    UNTIL THE STABLE AMERICAN ELECTORATE DEMOCRAT, REPUBLICAN, INDEPENDENTS, AND OTHER AMERICA LOVING PEOPLE STAND UP AND RELEGATE THESE RABBLE-ROUSERS TO THE ASHCAN OF HISTORY, WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE WHAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING COMMUNIST THUGS CHIEF OF WHOM IS THE CRIMINAL IN THE WHITEHOUSE, ALONG WITH ALL OF HIS CHOSEN THUGS!
    NOT UNTIL THAT THUG IS REMOVED ALONG WITH HIS CHOSEN CRIMINAL THUGS WILL THIS COUNTRY EVER BE RETURNED TO WHAT IT ONCE WS.

  • http://PersonalLiberty Edward

    I am 67 going on 68 in Jan. My life is 3/4 over. I can not change the whole world or the USA. Our lives are all planned out. When I hear on the news some political leader in CT. wants to change holloween from the 31st. of October to the last Sat. in October, I am thinking what kind of drug is he on. Lets get people back to work. Krushchef of Russia once said, “we will take the USA over without firing a single shot. He was right. Today we are poisoned with socialism, communism and Fachist. I feel sorry for the future of the younger generation. Once we reach the point of no return, it will be too late to turn back. The end………….

    • Lance Somers

      Ed, you’re an optimist.

    • Ellen

      OMG! Halloween’s date is based on a religious holiday. Are our Congressmen really this uneducated?

      • DaveH

        It’s all about Power.
        Look at Daylight Savings for a good example.

  • Douglas MacIlroy

    Religion is like history class but without all the facts. We’ve got trouble enough without dragging gods into the equation. If I had a nickel for every time someone predicted what was ‘coming’ based on the collected writings of religious proponents with an agenda from thousands of years ago, i’d be able to buy more guns, ammunition, water and food.

    All Empires fall. I’ll bet none of you ever thought you be around to dodge the pieces. We keep printing money out of thin air then that’s what it will be worth. Time’s coming soon. Get ready.

    When the dust clears we can try it again.

    • Jeryl

      I agree with you concerning the printing of money. As regards religion: well, religion is largely negative. While the Bible uses the word several times, only once is it used in a positive light. Religion is simply the outer manifestation of an inward belief system. Belief in Christ and acceptance of Him as Lord and Savior is not religion, it’s a relationship with Almighty God. So, I agree with you reference to “religion.”

      • Douglas MacIlroy

        Dear Jeryl,

        A well written missive and one I happen to agree with. Religion is a cancer on humanity. Your personal relationship with whomever/whatever you chose to ‘worship’ is your business. That you see the difference between the two speaks well of you.

      • Jay

        Jeryl stated:Religion is simply the outer manifestation of an inward belief system. Belief in Christ and acceptance of Him as Lord and Savior is not religion, it’s a relationship with Almighty God.

        Finally, somebody who actually gets it, and has succinctly articulated it!

    • DaveH

      I disagree.
      While I do believe that Religion was invented as a means for the Controlling Leaders to rally the masses behind them, what would it be like if Religion wasn’t teaching people good moral codes? I sure haven’t seen much of that morality coming from the Liberals. It scares me to think what might happen if the anti-religious crowd gets their way and abolishes religion. Watch out what you wish for, because it might come true.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Religion will never be abolished by any people. People will create their own “gods” and will create religion to accomodate their “gods”.
        It comes down to following the GOD of the Bible or following the god that people make for themself.

  • Jeryl

    As for the protestors, the vast majority are simply dupes for the far left. That being said, this is indeed a dangerous time. At the risk of being called a religious kook, the biggest sign of the end times is widespread civil unrest, the rise of a world-class leader with “all of the answers,” and a one-world government (which is now clearly on the horizen). In addition, there will be a series of Middle East Conflicts, which Israel will win. All of this is now taking shape. It was a great article and readers would be well-advised to take your final bit of advice – get ready.

    • eddie47d

      The Bible may or may not have anything to do with it. Saying that the protesters are dupes for the far left is like saying the Tea Party protesters are dupes for the far right.You are labeling and dividing which won’t bring anyone together.

      • TheRealBob

        There can be no coming together with the scum of OWS. These parasites have nothing in common with producers.

      • erick

        Some may have legitimate grievances, but they are playing into the hand of BO’s puppeteers who want to collapse the system, (Cloward and Piven), and remake it under the “New World Order.”

      • eddie47d

        Oh Please,the NWO has been around long before Obama was born. You may want to go back about 100 years in America to dig up the real facts instead of using it as a boogie man tool. There are plenty on the right(and in the NWO) who use you for their convenience also.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      The same type of dupes were called useful idiots by Lenin, and I am quite sure they were viewed in a similar light by Hitler. Just like eddie 47, don’t ya think?

      • TheRealBob

        You are correct Capitalist, eddie is indeed a useful idiot; especially the idiot part.

      • eddie47d

        So you support the Hedge Fund Managers who only produce for themselves and you attack the unemployed as lazy idiots? You’ve been scammed by Wall Street and Washington but it’s okay if you and your cronies take us off the cliff. Now if you think name calling makes you wiser then think again.

      • DaveH

        What do Hedge Fund Managers do, Eddie?

      • JeffH

        LMAO…”produce for themselves”…?

        The only goal for a hedge fund is to “turn a substantial profit for the investors” and it is the full time job of the hedge fund manager to work hard to make that a reality.

        Hedge fund managers are professionals entrusted to make hedge fund investments grow. They research, select stocks and assets for the funds, crunch numbers, implement the hedge fund strategy and monitor the daily health of the investments. If the situation requires it, the hedge fund managers will partake in short-selling or leverage strategies to help buff up the value of the hedge fund.

        The efforts of a hedge fund manager is focused on overseeing the net asset value of a hedge fund. That value typically runs into the billions of dollars range and the total amount can become even more staggering when leverage is considered in the equation. Being a hedge fund manager can be quite lucrative for the employee as they get paid both a management fee (typically 2% of the fund’s net worth) and an incentive/performance fee (composed of 20% of the fund’s profit).

      • eddie47d

        Are you the great defender of those pirates or is that The Great Pretender? Hedge Fund manager for Galleon Funds was found guilty 2 weeks ago of 14 counts of security fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud. He made $2.4 million an hour and that still wasn’t enough for him. Insider trading is common with all Hedge fund Managers. So why can’t we put more of them in jail? Why do they have their own laws that don’t even reflect the laws of the land? Tax evasion is also a big one with Hedge Fund Managers even though they only pay 15% on money earned. The average salary of a manager is 1 billion per year yet they still break the laws. Other Hedge Fund Managers have been caught in ponzi schemes and they are a snap for them. They can create such a tangled web that no one can figure out their tricks and then it becomes extremely expense to prosecute. Megatar (sp?) CDO’s was one of the biggest scams and sniffed out by a news reporter. Not sure where that case is in the court system. Hedge Fund managers also do Late Trades “after the bell”. Wall Street is technically closed to all investors but they keep on trading. Can you say illegal? Many market announcements are made shortly after the Market is closed where managers get the next days news so they know where to start at the morning bell. Yet hedge Fund Managers take that news and place “bets” after hours and squeeze in trading even though it is illegal. Remember Enron, World Com and Arthur Anderson and their accounting irregularities. It was Hedge Fund Managers who stepped in and fudged their books. They also rig securities so they are designed to fail. Then they take the winnings before the failures thus leaving regular investors to take the “hit” or loss. In 2007 they actually did that to Goldman Sacs and the Hedge Fund Managers made a killing while Goldman Sacs lost $550 million. So even the big boys (companies) on Wall Street get burnt by these traitors. You still want to defend those thieving pirates Jeff? Our economy tanked because of their shenanigans so maybe you need to pick new friends on Wall Street. These are the boys Eliot Spitzer had in his sights but the Republicans derailed him over a damn prostitute. So the cases were left to go cold. Republicans and Hedge Fund Managers go hand in hand and can indeed be blamed for the sorry state of this nation.

      • DaveH

        Why so verbose, Eddie?
        You surely don’t expect anybody to take your word, do you, without any references? You can spin your tales all day long, but since you have no credibility, no sensible people on this board are going to pay any attention to what you say unless you link to an article by a respectable author.

      • JeffH

        eddie, one difference between you and I is that I don’t lump all “hedge managers” into the “thieves” category. Just s I don’t lump all of the “Wall Streeters” into the “thieves” category and I don’t lump all “corporations and CEO’s” into the thieves category and, unlike you, I can differentiate the two and, unlike you, I can understand the difference between capitalism and crony-capitalism.
        Unlike you, I also realize that not all hedge fund managers are thieves and anybody that makes investments with hedge funds should do their homework.

        We can find bad apples in every barrel if we look for them eddie, but that doesn’t make all the apples in the barrel bad…does it?

        Of course, if you re-read what I posted and then try your hardest to comprehend, then you would see that I was simply describing what a hedge fund manager’s role is…is that so difficult to understand?

      • eddie47d

        Still hiding from the truth Jeff? You and Dave constantly say that Liberals are Socialist/Communists/Marxists and attempt to back it up by saying 80 members of Congress are Communists. What pathetic swill and such a bogus lie. But you keep repeating it. Hedge Fund Managers will be around and playing their tricks whether it’s Capitalism or crony Capitalism. The fact that there have been so much devious behavior on Wall Street only proves that Capitalism can’t and won’t police itself as Dave constantly boasts about. We had a headline yesterday in the business section Top Executives to Face Criminal Charges. It was prominent businessman Rajat Gupta this time and those who worked for him. Last month it was Mr Brownstein and the month before it was Mr Peterson whom I brought up at that time. The news article went on to say “Most of the defendants charged with Insider Trading over the past two years have plied their trade exclusively on Wall Street” (Oct 26,2011 in Denver Post). You and Dave play loose and fast by saying someone lacks credibility and you bring it up often. That doesn’t make either of you credible especially when Inside Traders are everywhere and yes they are thieves.

      • Jay

        For the most part, hedge funds (unlike mutual funds) are unregulated because they cater to sophisticated investors. In the U.S., laws require that the majority of investors in the fund be accredited. That is, they must earn a minimum amount of money annually and have a net worth of more than $1 million, along with a significant amount of investment knowledge. You can think of hedge funds as mutual funds for the super rich. They are similar to mutual funds in that investments are pooled and professionally managed, but differ in that the fund has far more flexibility in its investment strategies.   

        It is important to note that hedging is actually the practice of attempting to reduce risk, but the goal of most hedge funds is to maximize return on investment. The name is mostly historical, as the first hedge funds tried to hedge against the downside risk of a bear market by shorting the market (mutual funds generally can’t enter into short positions as one of their primary goals). Nowadays, hedge funds use dozens of different strategies, so it isn’t accurate to say that hedge funds just “hedge risk”. In fact, because hedge fund managers make speculative investments, these funds can carry more risk than the overall market. -Definition provided by investopedia.

        Every agency of the federal government is controlled by corporate power. The U.S. is essentially a “plutocracy” (government by the wealthy), run by “speculators and crooks” on Wall Street. The evidence? The $700 billion financial-rescue package that Congress approved, which, rewards “deceivers” for the “looting and swindling.” There can be no doubt that Wall Street is responsible for the current financial crisis, and should be prosecuted.

        A transaction tax on the sale of financial derivatives — contracts whose values are linked to assets such as mortgages or stocks — to raise money to fund the rescue package, would have been a better solution than using taxpayer dollars.

        Our problem is that we have a two-party political system, which is upheld not by the Constitution but rather by “political bigotry,” corporate interests and the mainstream media.

      • Opal the Gem

        eddie says all hedge fund managers are crooks, thieves, and worse. I say eddie and all other union members are lazy bums who are only out to screw the company out of everything they can while doing as little productive work as possible.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        I have no cronies. I predicted in 1999 that there would be economic problems coming in about 5 to 8 years due to the revocation of the Glass-Steaqall Act and the ridiculous policies followed by the Clinton administration in regards to the CRA. I was correct in my predictions. I must deserve the Nobel Prize for Economics, don’t ya think. I bought my home in 1991 for 128K it was supposedly valued at $ 284k in 2006. I put a down payment of 20%, when 10% down was the minimum required at the time, because I did not feel comfortable with only 10% down. Today, If I chose to sell, which I will not, it would probably fetch $ 225k, only because of the fact that it is the best lot in our subdivision. I warned anyone who would listen, not to refinance and take their equity to 0, because the inflated values of homes was a bubble that someday would have to burst. It did. The derivatives market and default credit swaps were illegal until the revocation of the Glass-Steagll Act. Care to debate me on Economics?

      • eddie47d

        It was FDR who gave us Glass-Steagall and the Republicans and banks hated Roosevelt for it way back then. It was also the banks and Republicans in the 90′s who pressured to have it thrown out. Naturally with more false promises that banks would behave. The government giveth and the government taketh with the help of the banks of coarse.

      • DaveH

        According to this article, Eddie — “In the case of Roosevelt, he was greatly influenced, even controlled at times, by the Anglo-American establishment, which was composed of prominent businessmen and bankers who owned or represented large economic interests, both domestically and globally”:
        http://mises.org/daily/5580/Lincoln-and-Roosevelt-American-Caesars

        Let’s see, who should we believe, Eddie or Mr. Denson? Ummmmmmmm

      • eddie47d

        Hmmm! Who do we believe Dave or all the other Conservative commenter’s who bring FDR into the conversation. It’s going to be interesting to see how Dave takes them on. But will he?

  • Joyce from Loris

    John, I agree with you. I have, as many others have, stock piles of food, water, guns and ammo and silver. Everyday, we learn something new about living off the land, and being totally independent, so when the proverbial poo poo hits the fan, our family will still be able to maintain. The thing is this…. I am mad. I am angry that my grandchildren will never know the life, the freedoms, that I have had. They will never know how exciting life was, you get up everyday and go about building the American dream. Our government has destroyed the American dream for Americans, instead handing our dreams over to those who come here from other countries. People should really investigate what our government does with our tax dollars when it comes to foreigners. 90% of the hotels in America are owned by someone from India, who get thousands of tax payer’s dollars to invest plus 7 years of TAX FREE operation. After 7 years, they just “sell” the property to a relative, and guess what? THEY get tax payer’s dollars to invest, 7 years tax free, etc. etc. and etc. We give several thousands of tax payer’s dollar to foreigners in the form of college grants! And let’s not forget that Obama’s own aunt has been in this country for over 20 years ILLEGALLY, yet has never worked a day here, gets free housing, checks, food, medical… all TAX PAYER’S MONEY. All these people, both legal and illegal, sitting around on their butts waiting on a hand out from the working class and complaining about us wanting them to take a drug test. Yes, our nation is mad, but the TAX PAYERS are absolutely OUTRAGED. Our dreams have been destroyed. We played the game that we were told we were suppose to play. Work hard, invest your money, own a house, have a little family, go to church, play little league ball…. now, our savings are wiped out, the values of our property are almost gone, there are no jobs for our children, and nothing looks bright on the horizon.

    • Lastmanstanding

      Joyce…and we could go on for days!!!God bless you.

      Nature will soon take over and people will behave like humans or animals…it will then be sorted out.

      • Joyce from Loris

        You’re right, however, the horror of this story is this…. those who choose to be human will have to destroy those who choose to be animals. I am going to be human, but I surely hate the idea that I would have to destroy someone who has chosen to be an animal and come to take what is mine…. I don’t want to do it, I WILL do it, make no mistake about that, but I don’t WANT to, I don’t want to have to live like that. I just want my life back, my world, my AMERICA, my country. I am afraid that is all gone forever, and I just hate it.

      • Lastmanstanding

        Joyce when the smoke clears we will be left standing…

        I have 2 grand boys and another grandchild on the way…I have had my discussion with God and will do whatever it takes to get them to the other side. I will be as brutal as I have to be to get them there…whether I like it or not…he will decide if that is right or wrong.

        “give me liberty…or give me death”

      • Candace
    • eddie47d

      We all see the same problems and are awake. The Tea Party brought up many of the issues and the OWS are bringing up the rest.It’s time to join together on the common issues and demand change .

      • Capitalist at Birth

        What change is that? The Tea Party has nothing in common with the OWS. You are duped by the MSM into believing such nonsense.

      • eddie47d

        An honest Wall Street will do for starters. Many here were against Wall Street bailouts and crony capitalism or didn’t you notice. Get corporations and lobbyists out of bed in Washington too for another starter.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        May be the only intelligent thing you have ever written.

    • jacb

      except for the emminent return of King Jesus….

  • Allen

    What gets me is that these groups continue to idolize people like Michael Moore and Alec Baldwin, multi-millionaires. Also, these people scream for taking the “rich” and celebrate when someone like Justin Bieber spends millions of dollars on gifts to his girlfriend. And, finally, I do not hear this bunch, or Obama, or any democrat screaming about the “greed” of the NBA basketball players.

    I do not get it.

    • Joyce from Loris

      I know what you mean! These ball players (all of them) make millions a year, but what is even more amazing to me is this… have you seen the stadiums at these games? They are FULL! And these tickets are NOT cheap. I thought we were a broke nation. Guess everyone is not broke. I guess everyone is not struggling with this economy. Maybe someone has been pulling our legs on this. Or maybe there are idiots in this world who are going to go to the ball game, even at the risk of having their lights turned off. There are idiots who are going to pay $100 a month on cable TV so they can watch all the games, never saving a dime for their kids college, and then one day, they stand up and yell “Someone needs to help my kid go to college!” They were too busy watching the game to worry about their own child’s future.

      • Lastmanstanding

        Joyce…just more proof that the masses are still asleep.

        In my everyday life it amazes me how many people in my community are ignorant to what is going on…it is not as bad where i live compared to other areas. 50/50 here. I make a mental note of who I can/can’t trust…as to be determined at a later date…

      • erick

        There is a segment of the population that lives for entertainment. They are oblivious to the deterioration of our Republic, our culture, our Constitution.They will have a rude awakening.

    • Robert Smith

      Allen says: “What gets me is that these groups continue to idolize people like Michael Moore and Alec Baldwin, multi-millionaires.”

      The poitn is Moore and Baldwin PRODUCED a product for which people traded money for it. You may not like their product but just the same they made something and sold it. They earned their money honestly.

      On the other hand the banksters sold paper back and forth ripping people off all the while generating “wealth” for themselves. ie. they are the looters as described by Ayn Rand, and the money-changers Jesus got upset with.

      Be honest… Who do you thin is a true American? Someone who honestly produces a product (even though you don’t agree with it) or a looting money-changer?

      Now do you see the difference?

      Rob

      • DaveH

        Robert,
        Did any banks force you to do business with them?
        You call the Lies that Michael Moore produces “earning his money honestly”?
        The Looters that Ayn Rand described were the Crony Capitalists not the Market Capitalists. And Crony Capitalists are ineffective without the Force of Big Government behind them.
        Robert says “Now do you see the difference?”. No, Robert, I don’t see the difference between one set of Forcers (the set you rail against) or the other set of Forcers (those you support).
        Your morality is inconsistent.

    • bp

      Allen; that’s because you are grounded & have a firm grip on reality. These liberals live in la-la land; it’s all rhetoric.

  • Lance Somers

    I think you may be right, John. However stocking up your estates with water, food, and amunition will be as effective as Ms. Antoinette’s offer of cake to her 99%ers. Good luck with that.

    • RivahMitch

      So you’ve got a better idea?

    • Freedomlover

      Not withstanding the fact that Marie Antoinette never made such a ridiculous statement, stockpiling food, water, guns, and bullion along with at least enough cash for six months bills is just what the doctor ordered. It may not in the end save you, but it will keep you out of harms way and the vermin at bay for a little while if not through the crisis. It worked for the smart people in Argentina that prepared for their collapse in 2001 that went widely unreported here and in Europe because the Bankers of the U.S. and Europe caused it in complicity with the crooked politicians of Argentina. Gee, sounds very familiar.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        I have been stocking up on canned food, distilled water, ammunition, fire arms, silver coins, and books since May of 2008. I don’t have six months worth yet, but I will by the end of the year. I have recommended this too one an all since May of 2008. People still think I am crazy. It is better to be prepared than doubtful.

      • Chas

        My dad always told me “It’s better to have something and not need it, than to need something and not have it.”

      • bp

        See foodinsurance.com!

    • http://BorderMarines.org USMC0351Grunt

      Lance,

      Your comment leasds me to believe that you will end up being one of the vermin that threatens our society when the collpase ocurs.

      You need to step back, away from your computer. Un-plug all of your communication equipment, remove all batteries and we will send a technician by to collect those items.

      We guarantee you the right to free speech, not the right to spew ignorance and stupidity. You therefore lose your ability to communicate with logical human-beins.

      • DaveH

        Yikes! And who determines who those are, Grunt?

    • Rod Roberts

      So, do you have a better idea? I’m stockpiling freeze dried foods, containers for water storage, & ammunition for my several guns. I’m going to protect my family and what I own from the mobs. And their will be mobs, especially in the large cities, they’re already forming the core with #OWS. But we’re not looking for the government to cover our costs. Obummer wants to disarm us by doing away with the 2nd amendment and the UN arms treaty. Then it’s an easy take over of the American way of life. There will be no means of defense. Ever think of why the Japanese didn’t want to attack the US during WW II? An armed populace was one of the best reasons.

      • DaveH

        The Japanese didn’t want to attack us. They knew there was a very good chance that the results wouldn’t be good for them. But sneaky Roosevelt and his gang pushed them into a desperate corner:
        http://mises.org/books/pearl_harbor_greaves.pdf

  • home boy

    you are right john. something is coming down the pipe line . but it’s not what you think. the bible talks about a great tribulation and it is so bad that if god did not step in ,man would destroy the world. matt 24;21,22

  • Insurgent

    The reason Buckwheat and Company want to take our guns is to allow the Marxist regime to capture America with the least amount of resistance. This puppet controlled Soros owned slave from Kenya is on course to bring America to its knees and eventually to third world status.
    The price America will pay for putting a LFN in the White House is yet to come and interestingly enough, there are a bunch of mental midgets still running around the country that think this lying b@$t@rd is doing a great job.

    Washington DC is America’s cesspool for liars, whores, and thieves.

    • Vagabond

      Insurgent. I couldn’t have said it better, you are so right. and I too wonder how many of those slimeballs left their jobs to participate. how many of them are on wellfare? we know a helluva lot of them are students who dont wanr=t to repay their student loans. they are all looking for something for nothing and the community organisor is incouraging them,

      • Franko

        You forgot to mention – how many of these protestors “called in sick” so they could spend time with those protesting…

  • s c

    Does anyone have an accurate idea of how many protestors have walked away from their jobs to demonstrate? I’d like to think that teachers, cops, firefighters and union types (especially public sector) have enough common sense to refuse to take part in the so-called demonstrations.
    As long as the #1 cheerleader for the demonstrators is in the White House, growing violence shouldn’t come as any surprise. Obummer said several years ago that he doesn’t keep an eye on Wall Street. Now, I’ll bet that has changed. Maybe he should act on his “principles,” and join the demonstrations. It would give him a chance to get back ‘into the streets.’
    As for student groups and unions, John, this is a fairly accurate way to define the dregs of society. Many students don’t know what they want or how to get it. Unions know what they want and Obummer goes out of his way to give it to them. Is this not co-dependent behavior on steroids?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      O and all politicians watch Wall Street. Don’t let any tell you otherwise.

      • Lastmanstanding

        NB of course they do! It is a huge source of campaign and other? contributions,insider trading info, etc….barry got $17 mil from WS…hell, chucky shead schumer got nearly $8 mil…infact a recent report on Fox news had most of the leading benefactor of WS were democrats! go figure.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        The Democrat Party is the party of big business and big labor. It is and always has been. Everyone should know that by now. The average contribution to the Democrat Party is twice that of the average contribution to the Republican Party. The Republican Party is the party of small business and individualists.

      • http://BorderMarines.org USMC0351Grunt

        Quit drinking that kool-aid and don’t give up your day job…. If you have one.

      • BigBadJohn

        try reading some headlines….

        Wall Street-Related Political Contributions Shift Toward Republicans

        Romney Beating Obama in a Fight for Wall St. Cash

        Obama’s former campaign funders on Wall Street turn against him

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “Obama’s former campaign funders on Wall Street turn against him.”

        Ah hah, to turn against him they had to first be his supporters.

      • DaveH

        Capitalist,
        You need to read Thomas DiLorenzo’s books,
        and also “The Big Ripoff: How Big Business and Big Government Steal Your Money”:
        http://www.amazon.com/Big-Ripoff-Business-Government-Steal/dp/0471789070

        It’s both the Republicans and the Democrats. In fact, the Republican Party at it’s very roots began the same Mercantilist Policies that the Patriots fought a revolution to rid us of.
        We need to get Government out of the Marketplace.

      • bp

        Capitalist: Can we dare to hope it’s the end of the Dem Party?

      • bob wire

        and then you’d be left to ‘yourselves’, most worthy punishment I would think. A most fitting end.

        and then when things went to hell in a hand basket and the USA resembles more like Old Mexico then Mexico itself, whom would you blame? Those mean ol nasty Cartels! How dare them! work outside government! beyond the eyes of the watchful

      • theotherrhalf

        I will also say as DaveH that you should read “The Big Ripoff” This is why the republican/democrat argument exists, to keep your eyes off of the truth.

        http://www.amazon.com/Big-Ripoff-Business-Government-Steal/dp/0471789070

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The reality is that big businesses and corporations,etc.,have used the government to regulate their competitors out of existance.What remains is what we see. Those selfsame corporations and businesses,etc.,will use capitalistic methods to continue enriching themselves since they have us consumers and consumers across the globe.
        The confusion is why the CEOs and management of the corporations,etc., are Democrats or Socialists. But then we have to think that they got to the top of the heap,they have to maintain their positions and they will make sure that no others attain the same.

    • lkar

      Good point sc. I think when the sh!t hits the fan, the civil unrest will divide out the cities from the rural areas. The riots will demolish cities and freeze up commerce. That means people will be hungry. The rural Americans will fend for themselves. So I guess the Democratic line of clinging to our Bibles and guns will play out in our favor! Let’s see them city wonks come and take my garden food, chickens, and solar powered well water! My second amendment right says they won’t get it easy. And if the Bible is true (which I think it is), they can have it when I am gone!

      • Al Sieber

        Ikar. I’m with you on that, I live in a rural area also. this looks like Red October 1917 ( Russia) rather than the French Revolution.

      • http://msn.com Mary Fields

        They don’t know what they want. They want to take money from rich that cause devastation to our society. They don’t understand that socialism will not make them free and have a good life. See, Russia n and China they don’t have welfare and they don’t care about people. In socialism, Government elites will be rich and better life when other people will be poor and straggling with problems. Why many people want to come to U.S. because they wanted freedom and reach many opportunities. By the way, U.S is not having freedom like before because Governments are controlling the American society.

      • eddie47d

        Ikar; SC is fooling you again. That would be like saying why didn’t G Bush go out and join the Tea Party demonstrators or why didn’t John Boehner rally with them. SC is only poking nonsense without having a lick of sense. People of all persuasions have joined the OWS protests and their grievances are mostly legitimate. Some of the college students do want their loans paid off which won’t fly. They say it should be done because Wall Street was bailed out so someone should bail them out. So true in thinking that… but in reality no one should be bailed out. The banks became wealthier and the students will just have to suck it up.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1207123702 marty

      I think referring to students, unions et el.. as the dregs of society is both wrong and contemptuous. The Soldiers and militia were referred in the same manner by King George and Cromwell during the Revolutionary War. It basically says that you are better than they are because they are “the dregs”. If the word contempt is properly defined as “making less of others or the world around you as a means of making more of yourself, than you are the perfect example of that definition. The people marching on Wall st. are organized and no more ragtag than the soldiers who fought the Revolutionary War. They are not the reason the world is going to hell. The banksters, as well as the big multinational corporations in collusion with big government have created a society of nepotism and greed. These people are sick of it and I, for one, support them wholeheartedly. It’s a good thing.

      • DAO

        No one ever said that this country owes anyone anything…but that we have the freedom to be the best that we can be and that every American has that right. Why don’t these people go to Washington and protest where the real problem lies…our out of control government!

      • db

        The only people the government owes anything to are the people you have, are, and will serve in the Armed Forces. These Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen/Airwomen are the reason why we as a people of the United States have the privilege to voice our discontent of the government and the “Elite” they choose to serve.

        Remember that the next time you say the country doesn’t owe anyone anything.

        db, Staff Sergeant, US Army (Ret)

      • DaveH

        I beg to differ. Look to Switzerland for evidence.
        Our military escapades are endangering not preserving our Freedom.
        It is all about Empire building and supporting the Military-Industrial Complex at the expense of the masses.

      • DaveH

        We are being enslaved by both the Welfare Statists and the Military Statists.

      • Alex

        I agree with you. This economy has beeen abused by wealthy and powerful people to their own end for quite some time and it’s, finally, coming to a head. The collective interests of the country and it’s people have been ignored and will not be addressed until the people stand up.

      • waveform144s16

        True the Banksters are the cause and not the protesters. Also true that the protesters are organized. The are organized by the banksters.
        Their objective is and has always been one world rule.Their means have always been deception. Problem, Reaction, Solution…its ok to wake up to the truth.

      • eddie47d

        You are correct Marty and Wall Street is a big part of the problem. There have been and will be more demonstrations in Washington for those who are wanting that. The big issue is that Wall Street has gamed the system so that is the main focus at this time.

      • DaveH

        Wall Street would have no power without the Coercive Force of Big Government. Put the blame where it belongs.

      • eddie47d

        I see only a little truth to that comment. If government disappeared Wall Street could be far worse and we may be more indebted to them with phony marketing policies. There are well respected companies who are attached to Wall Street so don’t take that as a blanket statement that every thing they touch is evil . The same with Washington. There are some darn good Congress persons who happen to be Conservative or Liberal. Yet we have a tendency to lump them all together.

      • DaveH

        There’s more than a little truth, Eddie.
        The only role Government should play in the Marketplace is to adjudicate against Force or Fraud. Other than that, if you don’t like what they sell, don’t buy it. Even a lazy Union guy can muster up that much effort. Especially nowadays when people can easily research any product on the Internet before they buy it. There are no excuses for meddling Government regulations.

      • eddie47d

        Dave=Naive!

      • Jay

        Eddie and Dave, i think you both make excellent points on which, it appears to me, you both could, and should agree on. Clearly, you both agree that there should be some level of government involvement. Where you both seem to part ways is in the level, or degree, of government involvement. Perhaps the reason you two do not realize, or cannot agree on this, has more to do with personal animosity towards each other, rather then disagreement on the political principal mentioned above! Clearly, what you two seem disagree on is, what the level of government intervention/involvement in our everyday affairs, should be allowed. If, as Dave mentioned, we only need government involved for the purpose to deflect fraud/corruption, the problem resurfaces, how much government, and to what level of involvement? And clearly, it seems, to me at least, that Eddie is proposing, and echoing, the same sentiments!

      • Capitalist at Birth

        So, you are one of the 32% of the people that supports these useful idiots?

      • eddie47d

        No I’m part of the 99% and you are part of the 1%.

      • DaveH

        Eddie, you are insulting the 99%.

      • eddie47d

        The Townhall cartoon today says Washington is the 1% so I will take your comment as a compliment.

      • erick

        He said ” labor unions, student groups, and in SOME cases the dregs of society.” You only need to see some of the video to know this is an apt description of SOME of the mob.

    • death to non believers

      i have a very good idea of the number of jobs these “occupy ******” slime people have walked away from, to protest. the answer is 0 (ZERO). they are all on some form of govt dole, from a wealthy family, or directly have cash from a soros backed group. they do not produce anything but violence. they are communist/socialist/elitist scum. the police should have arrested all of them, and sentence them, to whatever the max term is, and jail them. they are not above the law !!! this will not be a repeat of the 60′s violence.

      • eddie47d

        Not much of what you said is true. Their are plenty of older folks at OWS who lost their life saving and plenty more of those who are unemployed. The problems are real so get off the sofa and join them.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        You should join them. Then, we would not have to endure your stupidity.

      • eddie47d

        More Capitalist name calling. What else would I have expected.

      • DaveH

        Eddie, you would definitely bring down the average IQ of the OWS crowd if you joined them.

      • eddie47d

        There are some smart young ones down at the OWS protests and a few smart azzes right here.

      • bp

        No, ALL of it is true!

      • Karolyn

        And you know this how? You’ve been there and questioned the people involved? Many people have night jobs, and the protesters are still there overnight for those with day jobs. Also, maybe they’re taking vacation time. You don’t know anything!

    • Ellen

      An effective leader would attempt to inspire the college grads by telling them this is temporary and things will improve. They should take any job for now and, when the economy improves, get a job in their field later. I graduated college in 1983 during Carter’s administrations and the unemployment rate was higher than it is now. I took a job and waited for better time. As we know, better times came along with Reagan. I also came out with student loans that took 10 years to pay. Honestly, I resent Obama suggesting their student loans be paid for by taxpayers. If Obama is going to play this game, I would like a refund of my student loans, a refund of the loss from selling my house in 1995 during CT’s terrible financial time, a refund of the loss I’m sitting on in my current house, and a refund of all the tuition I’ve been paying for my kids who are currently in college. That seems fair to me.

      • Karolyn

        Have you looked for a job lately? Unless you live in one of the few places that are doing well, THERE ARE NO JOBS! And, yes, college grads are taking WalMart and MacDonald’s jobs, but there are only so many jobs.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You can’t get it through your skull that no business owner owes you a job.
        Businesses are started and after they are established and survive can they think of hiring workers. Their first priority is taking care of themselves and their families.

      • Lastmanstanding

        karolyn will never get it as long as her Americorps check clears.

    • Candace

      Obama’s only real experience is being a community agitator often for ACORN. Is it any surprise how incompetent and ideology driven AND failing to “reach across the aisle” as he professed in his campaign?
      He is only comfortable being before the masses vilifying any opposition and pitching social stimulus spending to line more of his cronies pockets. It’s disgusting.
      THE GREATEST THREAT TO THE DEMOCRATS IS AN EDUCATED ELECTORATE.

      • eddie47d

        You mean those educated college students at OWS who are wise to what Wall Street has done to this country. They have also wakened up.

      • DaveH

        The Greatest Threat to both the Republicans and the Democrats would be an educated populace.

      • DaveH

        That is why the establishment Republicans are trying so hard to silence Ron Paul’s message.
        For those who want to help Ron spread the message against the objections of the PTBs:
        http://www.ronpaul2012.com/

    • http://al@bellaproducts.com al metcalf

      The very people who are being demonstrated against, are the same who are giving untold millions of dollars to Obama for his present run for another term. It is just like the last election. Obama was supported by Wall Street, the Unions and the Banks, and who got bailed out? Need I say more. This is all a facade for the public spectacle and the fawning press.
      Wake up!

  • ron

    Young Americans with a grievance. You got to love it.

    • Robert Smith

      From the article: “It is “the crowd” that rolls forward like a hand grenade with its pin set to slip out any second. It is “the crowd” that created the bloody madness that was the French Revolution.”

      What was the French Revolution? Answer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution

      “French society underwent an epic transformation as feudal, aristocratic and religious privileges evaporated under a sustained assault from radical left-wing political groups, masses on the streets, and peasants in the countryside. Old ideas about tradition and hierarchy – of monarchy, aristocracy and religious authority – were abruptly overthrown by new Enlightenment principles of equality, citizenship and inalienable rights.”

      How can that be bad?

      Rob

      • Vexed Vet

        It can be bad because as with any mob rule revolution labled ‘democracy’ it ended with even children being beheaded!
        Even the French collective mob finally had became sikened with blood.

        The American Revolution was conducted by a people that were GOD fearing and wanted freedom for the individual from government ensavement. One revolution was for the individual one was for mob rule.

        We are now being ruled by tyrants again. Crazy King George would salivate at the power our centeral government now has.
        Question is will this ‘people’s’ uprising end with US throwing the ruling class out or mass beheadings. Is our country moving back to freedom for the individual or ‘democratic’ mob rule/

      • DaveH

        Although I would enjoy throwing Robert’s people out on their ears, we should take pause before we advocate such things. The conditions aren’t the same as they were in the Eighteenth century. People have been heavily and effectively Propagandized to the point where few people these days understand what Freedom is all about. Most likely a Government overthrow would not result in a good outcome under these conditions.
        Read this and think:
        http://mises.org/daily/5363

      • http://BorderMarines.org USMC0351Grunt

        Rob, if you have to ask, you expose yourself to your ignorance. Do your research into the WHYs that you question.

      • Tim Kerr

        Robert… Is that why they called the French Revolution “The Reign of Terror”? Your comment “How can that be bad?” shows a lack of knowledge of the history behind the French Revolution. Maybe you should look into it a bit more?

      • Robert Smith

        And you would have left ruling to the aristrocrats?

        The PEOPLE took over.

        My guess is you don’t really consider yourself one of the people.

        Rob

      • Jay

        Originally, in the eighteenth century, the goal of the Illuminati had been to separate religion from the state, to replace it with a rule of their own.

        Through the widespread propaganda of the eighteenth century, they discredited Christianity as conflicting with the findings of science, and defined the Christian Church as an organization rife with corruption and greed. While it is certainly true that the Church was fraught with abuse, the citizens of the West were told to throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater, for it was not its moral teachings, or the common worshipper, that were inherently corrupt, but the upper echelons of its politically minded hierarchy.

        Paradoxically, the secularism of the Illuminati is based not on atheism, but on ancient occult teachings.

        To the upper levels of the Illuminati, it was Lucifer who “liberated” man, showing him the truth that there is no truth. Rather, all morality is mere convention, invented by the dull masses. To them, there is only Will, and therefore, man triumphs by overcoming all apprehension, otherwise regarded as morality, that prevents him from achieving what he desires. Or, the “ends justify the means”.

        The program of the Illuminati, beginning in the eighteenth century, has been to disparage all religion as superstition, and the enemy of “Liberty”, that is, the freedom to do whatever they will.

        To inculcate the veneration of such a principle in the minds of the gullible masses of the West, history has been rewritten to present modern secular states as the culmination of centuries of progress towards “Liberty”, which is upheld as the fundamental characteristic defining the Western superiority over the East, where “despotism” supposedly perpetually reigns.

        Throughout “Western” history, we are taught, from Greece, to the Roman Empire, the Renaissance, and finally the Enlightenment, European thinkers have been progressively distancing themselves from “superstition”, or religion. The culmination of this supposed progress were the French and American Revolutions, and their implementation of secular rule, seen as the triumph of “Liberty”.

        In reality, these revolutions were coup d’etats effected through the machinations of the Illuminati. And, the first priority of the Illuminati, following the revolutions, as propounded by its prominent members, like the Marquis de Condorcet in France, Johann Fichte in Germany, and Thomas Jefferson in America, was the establishment of compulsory education.

        The first to articulate the need to interpret history as the progress of “Liberty” was Georg Hegel, German professor and member of the Illuminati. Based on Kabbalah, Hegel proposed that history was the unfolding of an idea, as God coming to know himself. To Hegel, it is man who becomes God, as Western civilization overcomes superstition, by progressively advancing towards the implementation of “Liberty.”

        However, it was not until World War I that Hegel’s mythology of Western civilization was fully established.

        America, to justify its entry into the War, presented itself and the Allied Powers as, not disparate nation-states, but members of a single “Western” civilization, and capitalized on the notion of “Liberty” and “Freedom”, to cloak its imperial strategies in high ideals.

        Known as General Education, or the Western Civ. Course, the Hegelian interpretation of history was then imposed on the American university system. The mission was accomplished through the influence of two Illuminati front organizations, boards of trustees acting as benefactors of the educational system, the General Board of Education (GEB) chartered by the John D. Rockefeller, and the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching (CFAT).

        As revealed by William H. McIlhany, in The Tax-Exempt Foundations, from minutes of their meetings, these foundations asked themselves the following: “is there any means known to man more effective than war, assuming you wish to alter the life of an entire people?” They could not find one, and so helped to precipitate WWI. Following the Great War, however, recognizing the need to maintain the control of the “diplomatic machinery” of the United States they had achieved, the foundations determined that “they must control education”.

        Together, as William McIlhany described, the Rockefeller and Carnegie foundations “decided the key to it is the teaching of American history and they must change that. So they then approached the most prominent of what we might call American historians at that time with the idea of getting them to alter the manner in which they presented the subject.”

        Through their influence, the entire American educational system was coordinated to serve a centralized command. Control of this system would be two-pronged, dividing study into pure and social sciences. The pure or applied sciences were to serve the emerging Military-Industrial-Complex, while the social sciences, like psychology, sociology, and anthropology, were designed to study the behaviour of human beings, towards achieving means of controlling or modifying that behaviour.

        Lastly, the remaining fields, like history of political science, were to inculcate a proper “interpretation” of history. Because, according to the boards’ directives, “history, properly studied or taught, is constantly reminding the individual of the larger life of the community… This common life and the ideals which guide it have been built up through the sacrifice of individuals in the past, and it is only by such sacrifices in the present that this generation can do its part in the continuing life of the local community, the State, and the Nation.”

        In Universities and the Capitalist State, Clyde Barrow commented that: The full-scale rewriting of history under state supervision not only facilitated a short-term justification of American participation in the war, but also helped to institutionalize a much broader and more permanent ideological conception of the United States in the social sciences and humanities.

        The first recommendations to educators, during WWI, were careful to warn them that using outright lies or false information was a “mistaken view of patriotic duty”, that was likely to be counterproductive in the long run. These recommendations went on to provide detailed suggestions on what to teach, and how to teach history “properly”. They urged teachers to stress the difference between Germany on the one hand, and France, Britain, and the United Sates on the other, as a conflict originating in the struggle between despotism and democracy. This was a continuation of the same revolutionary struggle for Liberty, which America had initiated in the American Revolution. If it had been America’s destiny to perfect democracy, it was now America’s responsibility to defend democracy wherever it was threatened and bring it to the rest of the world.

        This myth of America’s role in the preservation of “democracy” and its struggle against “depostism”, is again being resorted to, towards the build up to World War III, or the so-called War on Terror. Ultimately, according to Francis Fukuyama, in deliberate reference to Hegel, we are at the “End of History”. That is, we have achieved the pinnacle of human intellectual progress. We cannot advance further, and Western style “liberal democracy” is the final product. However, one bastion of medievalism is preventing our final step forward: “militant” Islam.

        Therefore, according to Samuel Huntington, as first published in Foreign Affairs of the Council on Foreign Relations, a front group of the secretive and elusive Illuminati, the West is headed for an inevitable confrontation with Islam, or a Clash of Civilizations.

        Author-David Livingston

      • http://usa OLGA VILLARREAL

        JAY THANK-YOU FOR YOU POST; IT’S SO INFORMATIVE; EVEN THOUGH I’M 68YR OLD; I SAW THE TRUTH IN YOUR POST; WE HAVE BEEN IN PERPETUAL WAR SINCE WW11; I JUST CAME TO THAT REALIZATION A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO; I QUESS I’M VERY SLOW; I HAVE 8TH GRADE ED. SO, I LIKE PEOPLE TODAY WAS TOO BUSY LIVING MY LIFE AND WORKING; IN THE MEANTIME THE PEOPLE I TRUSTED TO TAKE CARE AND RUN THIS NATION; HAVE NOT BUILT IT UP BUT DESTROYED IT; IT’S BEYOND COMPREHENSION; SO WELL EDUCATED,GOOD FAMILIES; SO I THOUGHT.IT’S INSANE; NOTHING THEY DID AND ARE DOING MAKES ANY SENSE; I JUST THINK THEY’RE MAD; MUST BE THE ATMOSPHERE IN DC.THANK YOU OLGA VILLARREAL,TX

      • Jay

        It’s never too late Olga! Better late then never!

      • Kate8

        Excellent post, Jay.

        We are at a sad place in history these days.

      • Robert Pittman

        The impetus of the French Revolution was “aristocratic privilege”, not all of those other situations described in the article.

      • dixiesuzan

        Aristocratic privilege is partly true. However France was deep in debt from Louis XIV and Louis XV. The government was spending far more than it took in. Louis XVI got a honest man, Turgot as a minister. Turgot’s reforms might have saved France, but no one wanted to give anything up. Turgot gets dumped, while Louis XVI says, “There is no one but I and Turgot that loves France.” He was pretty much right. The expenditures are incredible. Louis XVI pointed at his brother and said, “Yet here is a young gentleman, who demands one hundred and fifty horses, for a journey from Paris to Brest.” The government would not cut back. And so came Neckar who proposed many reforms similar to Turgot. He did a few but the clamour arose and he gets dismissed. Neckar was never paid anything for his efforts. Next comes Calonne who says what everybody wants to hear. Spend all you want, and he borrows on the credit of France to fund it. He never considered how the loans were to be repaid. Calonne is the wild spendthrift who refuses nothing. Such a system of extravagance could not long last, Calonne is forced to propose the reforms of Turgot and Neckar. Calonne is forced to resign. Next comes archbishop Lomenie who makeshift patchworks for 18 months. He is forced to resign and recalled is Neckar. Stock funds went up 30%. So deranged was French finances there was only 11,000 pounds in the French treasury. France is spending 12,000,000 pounds per year. And so the admission of defeat and the start of party politics and national destruction began.

      • JUKEBOX

        I have personally been to Watts after the riots there, and the riots in Memphis and Nashville after MLK’s assassination. What is left are ghettos that are worse than they were before. The dumb masses are too stupid to realize that they only destroyed their own neighborhoods, and made their plight worse.

      • eddie47d

        That is what happens when people are taken advantage of or ignored and yes it will happen again somewhere. During our Revolution houses were burned and buildings destroyed because the masses were fed up with British tyranny. They suffered for many years before and after the Revolution but that is the price you pay if you feel strong enough about change and want to right wrongs. Now if Wall Street and Washington can smell the fires burning in the peoples hearts maybe we can have a velvet revolution and avoid any malice.Is Washington and Wall Street listening?

      • DaveH

        You think we should follow France’s example, Robert?
        http://heritage.org/index/Country/France

        How long do you think they can continue to spend 18% more than they receive in tax revenues? As I’ve always taught my kids — if you can’t live within your means now, how are you possibly going to be able to live decently later when on top of your regular expenses you also have to repay your debt?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The OWS crowd is more like malcontents with a whine.

  • DaveH
    • Thor

      On this…we agree. Thanks.

    • eddie47d

      Will you believe it now Dave that Americans have lost 10% of their incomes. Since the author has stated it(without references). While the income of the 1% has gone up over 7%.

      • EdinNola

        Do you understand the concept of Apples and Oranges? The 10% loss referred to above was Americans in general, overall, etc., including that famous 1%. Your reference to gains for the 1% is in context, nonsense. Also, there MIGHT be a comparison to the Russian Revolution in order IF: the Russian Czar was a Community Organizer, and it was he who called out the “protesters”, but it was not.

      • adam mickiewich

        dear Mr.Nola, I paid $3.00 for a Lb of bread in January , now I have to pay $3.52, and I could write you a long list, how much dd I loose from my standard of living?

      • 45caliber

        And whose fault is it? The Wall Street brokers who buy and sell stock? The multi-millionares who own some of that stock, the middle class who owns most of that stock, or the politicians in Washington who make all the regulations that run up the costs of making bread?

      • JeffH

        adam, I was paying $1.79 last year for a loaf of “whole grain” bread. Now I’m paying $1.49 – $1.99 because I’ve changed my shopping habits accordingly. Oh, bread prices have skyrocketed alright($3.89 – $4.29) at the standard everyday markets like Safeway, Lucky’s, SaveMart etc., so I shop at places like Smart & Final, Winco, Grocery Outlet and Food4Less where I have learned which grocery items I use are best priced.

      • Old Henry

        adam:

        If you can afford a POUND of bread you are rich and you should be paying more for your fair share.

        I have to buy bread at the day-old store.

      • Old Henry

        JeffH:

        Before long you will be shopping at the soup kitchen…

      • Old Henry

        I wonder if there are any drain pipes near the WH.

      • bob wire

        I’d stay clear of drain pipes Henry, your egress is somewhat limited.

      • DaveH

        The problem is, Eddie, not that you might get it right once in a while, but that you throw out so many Fabricated Facts that you no longer have any credibility. You know, like the guy who cried Wolf?
        Here is some reality about the real 1%:
        http://mises.org/daily/5776/The-State-Is-the-1-Percent

      • tough beast

        Mr. Rockwell claims that the 99% are whiners because of public education, but he, along with you Dave don’t quite understand that it is the income disparity that is making them protest. And it is this disparity that continues unabated, with a revolution looming, as John Myers speaks about. There is intellectual and innovative wealth in the 1% Mr. Rockwell talks about, but these protests aren’t about this wealth. The continuing proliferation of wealth accumulation of the top 450 individuals and/or families has over the last decade widened the gap between the haves and the have nots, and if you get that, you will understand the reason for the unrest.

      • Kate8

        tough beast – While most of the protesters are sincere about what they are doing, this whole movement was set up by the elite to steer us right down the road they desire. Do you not find it at all questionable that we were told for the past couple of years that riots and protests were coming to America, and here they are, exactly on schedule?

        http://dprogram.net/2011/10/25/robin-hood-tax-occupy-movement-now-marching-straight-into-the-globalist-trap/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wordpress%2FBcwy+%28Deprogram%29&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail

        “There is nothing more manipulable than genuineness that is not streetwise”.

        If you doubt that this is part of the globalist plan, do a search on “Hegelian Dialectic”.

        We were told by PTB that it would be we, ourselves, who beg for them to implement their hideous plan. We have too many people today who have been indoctrinated into this type of thinking.

      • wrsrvn67

        So what you are saying is that the top 1% is the cause of all this because they were smart? The cause of this lies in the govt. you bonehead

      • Teresa

        The politicians in Washington are very rich. Mrs. Pelosi is so rich and owns just as much as those on Wall Street. Most in Washington have spent all the money and much of it goes out of this country, and to the United Nations. Why? Wall street may be part of the problem but so was Barney Frank, and all the rest spending and spending. Look at the past several years of wasting money, saying they were creating jobs. Also, why are we sending money to other countries to build expensive cars no one can afford? Something stinks. There are many rich kids on OWS, they have trust funds one such is Hall I forgot his name. His parents and grandparents are filthy rich he is a trust fund baby. Look at the Mother who left her kids and went to OWS…. now people are having things stolen and are being raped. This is a Soros funded revolt. People are being paid to protest. Its a big sham.

      • 45caliber

        Teresa:

        Just for your info: Nancy Pelousy is worth an estimated $35+ million dollars. I would believe that would mean that she is one of the rich that these people want to tax – but I would bet she doesnt’ have to pay it. After all, she got an exemption for her grape vineyards so she could get all the water she wanted while at the same time she had the rest of the farmers restricted on what water they could use for their crops.

      • Void1972

        beast
        As in the Bolshevik and French revolutions, that was supported by the same “banking families” that are supporting the “dirt baggers”. Both were an experiment in creating discourse in the population and both succeeded in bringing down governments, as the flea bagger party will try to do.
        These bankers that have raped our financials are the communist that are creating the one world government system, where they will have full control over every nation. They already have full control over our government.
        I agree that our government and heads of many financial companies needs to be held accountable for the corruption they allowed in the banking industry, but this movement is all about bringing down capitalism and America.
        When our congress allows immoral, anti-Americans like Barney Frank and Dodd to extort money from banks to support these illegal mortgages and securities, and then place the same two crooks in charge of “fixing” the problem, it shows that we are not governed by men, but by corporations.
        The time has come to fight for our republic and constitution!

        “When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the
        Political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the
        earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle
        them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes
        which impel them to the separation.‖
        ―We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by
        their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
        Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their
        just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government
        becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to
        institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in
        such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.” – From the U.S.
        Declaration of Independence
        May God bless and save the United States of America!!!!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You and other Liberals/Leftists/Socialists or whatever you call yourself today whine because you are told to whine. Boy, do you whine.
        You have no sense of basic economics and you have no sense or knowledge as to what it takes to produce that loaf of bread or to ship it to the grocery store.

      • Old Henry

        The politicians (career Criminals) have created all the problems and now they run around claiming (campaigning) how they can fix the problems.

        It puts me in mind of the days back in the 50s & 60s when we traveled on the ond U.S routes and you would pull into a gas station – usually in an isolated spot – for a fill-up, the attendent would see your out-of-state plates as he approached. He would begin pumpingthe regular or ethyl and open the hood to check the oil. While under there he would misteriously find a “cut” in your fan belt, a small “crack” in a hose, etc. and tell you he could fix it for “x amount” of dollars. YOur car then went into one of the bays and you sat in the office or went next door for lunch. When you came back you paid your bill and went on your way without knowing exactly what took place.

      • DaveH

        What income disparity, Tough Beast? Our citizens on average make 4 times what they do in Cuba.
        If you don’t like your pay, start your own companies like the people who you want to demand higher pay from did. Put your own money at risk and all the other efforts that go into starting a company, including jumping through all the hoops that have been set up by Big Government thanks to people like yourself.
        Don’t tell me I don’t understand. I have studied Economic matters for decades. I understand very well. It is you Liberals, who are dead-set on creating the same stifling Governments that have driven many other countries’ economies into the abyss, who don’t understand.
        And Lew Rockwell could run circles around your economic ignorance.

      • deport all muslims

        Of the 100 richest people in America,………………………… 60 of them are dEMOCRATS.

        BY THE WAY,… these ows’s were started by a woman and the unions, that is the facts!

      • DaveH

        Due to your lack of knowledge, Eddie, you can’t distinguish between the Crony Capitalists who wrongly use Government to gain advantage, and the rest of the Capitalists who are a great benefit to society.
        I strongly suggest that you take some of that time you spend pestering the good people on this board to instead read the book “How Capitalism Saved America” by Thomas DiLorenzo, so you can shed that ignorance of reality.

      • eddie47d

        Why should anyone take DiLorenzo’s word as the gospel. He is a Lincoln hater and an occasional bigot. He may bring up important facts(even on Lincoln) but it is from his perspective and many disagree with him. Using DiLorenzo as a source doesn’t give you clear shot at credibility either if that is the war you want with me. When it comes to crony capitalism it is becoming harder to distinguish between it and what you say is “real” capitalism. They are both in the markets together and little changes. So to insist my facts are fabricated and I am ignorant only plays to the crowd. They may eat it up but there is always another side to the story.

      • JeffH

        Actually eddie, it’s really not that difficult to distinguish the “cronies” from the free market capitalists. There is enough imfo on the internet, with a little research, to gather that information.

        Just as the US has the world’s most advanced economy, military, and technology, we also have its most advanced oligarchy.
        http://economy.nationaljournal.com/2009/04/crony-capitalism-in-america.php?rss=1
        In a primitive political system, power is transmitted through violence, or the threat of violence: military coups, private militias, and so on. In a less primitive system more typical of emerging markets, power is transmitted via money: bribes, kickbacks, and offshore bank accounts. Although lobbying and campaign contributions certainly play major roles in the American political system, old-fashioned corruption—envelopes stuffed with $100 bills—is probably a sideshow today, Jack Abramoff notwithstanding.

        One channel of influence was, of course, the flow of individuals between Wall Street and Washington. Robert Rubin, once the co-chairman of Goldman Sachs, served in Washington as Treasury secretary under Clinton, and later became chairman of Citigroup’s executive committee. Henry Paulson, CEO of Goldman Sachs during the long boom, became Treasury secretary under George W.Bush. John Snow, Paulson’s predecessor, left to become chairman of Cerberus Capital Management, a large private-equity firm that also counts Dan Quayle among its executives. Alan Greenspan, after leaving the Federal Reserve, became a consultant to Pimco, perhaps the biggest player in international bond markets.

        These personal connections were multiplied many times over at the lower levels of the past three presidential administrations, strengthening the ties between Washington and Wall Street. It has become something of a tradition for Goldman Sachs employees to go into public service after they leave the firm. The flow of Goldman alumni—including Jon Corzine, now the governor of New Jersey, along with Rubin and Paulson—not only placed people with Wall Street’s worldview in the halls of power; it also helped create an image of Goldman (inside the Beltway, at least) as an institution that was itself almost a form of public service.

        The Way Out – Looking just at the financial crisis (and leaving aside some problems of the larger economy), we face at least two major, interrelated problems. The first is a desperately ill banking sector that threatens to choke off any incipient recovery that the fiscal stimulus might generate. The second is a political balance of power that gives the financial sector a veto over public policy, even as that sector loses popular support.

        Big banks, it seems, have only gained political strength since the crisis began. And this is not surprising. With the financial system so fragile, the damage that a major bank failure could cause—Lehman was small relative to Citigroup or Bank of America—is much greater than it would be during ordinary times. The banks have been exploiting this fear as they wring favorable deals out of Washington. Bank of America obtained its second bailout package (in January) after warning the government that it might not be able to go through with the acquisition of Merrill Lynch, a prospect that Treasury did not want to consider.

        In some ways, of course, the government has already taken control of the banking system. It has essentially guaranteed the liabilities of the biggest banks, and it is their only plausible source of capital today.

        “The purpose of this financial crisis is to take down the U.S. dollar as the stable datum of planetary finance and, in the midst of the resulting confusion, put in its place a Global Monetary Authority [GMA - run directly by international bankers freed of any government control] -a planetary financial control organization”- Bruce Wiseman

        Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws – Mayer Amschel Rothschild

        Until the bond is broken between the crony-capitalists and the government and the Federal Reserve is abolished, don’t look for any viable change to our, or the worlds, economic future.

        Start be ending the Federal Reserve and the central banking syestem.
        Regarding the power of central banks, if you will take a piece of paper money out of your wallet — any denomination — you will see these words, “Federal Reserve Note — This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private.” Ask yourself why the paper money does not state that it is a note from the Treasury of the United States? If the Federal Reserve is not the Treasury, what is it? The Federal Reserve is a “central bank.”

        “We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to office”
        - Aesop

      • DaveH

        Yet we have to listen to your uneducated dribble daily, Eddie. DiLorenzo has copious references in his books to back up everything he says. You know, Eddie, references, those things you never provide with your Fabricated Facts.
        Read the book, or are you just afraid you’ll learn what an ignoramus you are if you do?

      • JeffH

        DaveH, I can only imagine that eddie has probably never read any writings by DiLorenzo, just as I have never read DiLorenzo, yet he’s already made up his mind that DiLorenzo “…is a Lincoln hater and an occasional bigot”. To even make a comment to that effect shows that lack of credibility you mentioned…oh well, shouldn’t be surprised, it is eddie afterall.

      • Old Henry

        Jeff, My mind’s made up. Don’t cnfuse me with the facts.

      • eddie47d

        Good grief Jeff I looked that up months ago when Dave first brought it up. So maybe Dave ought to look at your fabricatd facts about me. You really shouldn’t try so hard to be wrong or obnoxious.

      • JeffH

        eddie says “I looked that up months ago”…that now makes you qualified to call Di Lorenzo wrong or an “occasional bigot”?
        FYI – If one is a bigot, one cannot be an occasional bigot. Either you are or you are not!

        Aside from “looking that up”, have you bothered to read any of the books by Di Lorenzonzo? Big Difference!

      • eddie47d

        More silliness from Jeff. Many folks hide their bigotry. You should know… like being two faced. They say they respect everyone but then mocks certain people when the situation suits them.At work they might be the best of buds with someone then at a bar they “tell it like it is” when he is not around. I guess I’ll have to spell it out for you.OCCASSIONALLY!

      • Alex

        Jeesh, DaveH, always with the Faux Noose squawking points!

        ‘crony capitalism’
        ‘New Black Panther Party’
        ‘deficit ceiling’
        ‘boots on the ground’

      • JeffH

        Jeesh Alex, always with your Marxist inspired talking points! Jeesh!

      • DaveH

        As usual, a Liberal put words in my mouth.
        Show me where, Alex, I have said any of these things:
        ‘New Black Panther Party’
        ‘deficit ceiling’
        ‘boots on the ground’

        Does the truth burn your tongues or something? I mean maybe I could understand your lack of veracity if I knew it caused you severe physical pain.

      • Phil

        You might think about the rich getting richer because of government regulations that allow it. If Warren Buffet’s secretary paid more tax than he did it’s because of the tax loop holes the government created. That’s why rich people want to pay a little more so they won’t have to pay as much. Remember the president, congress and senators all all millionairs are close to it. Obama has to raise their taxes (which they will get it all back) before he can raise our taxes (which we won’t get back). A flat tax will close the loop holes of the rich and help us.

    • http://BorderMarines.org USMC0351Grunt

      Saying Ron Paul is our savior is not far from those that are still drinking the kool-aid and kissing the ass of Obama.

      • Bob in Boston

        Wrong – in order for us to fix things, we need:
        1) someone who knows how they are broken (because he predicted it)
        2) someone who is willing to propose drastic measures to correct things now (aka doing what’s right) rather than worry about the political perception of his views
        3) someone who is honest and trustworthy to clearly communicate the implications of our actions (or inaction)

        Ron Paul is the only person who satisfies all three points.

      • Donald Parks

        I came up with the idea of the “koran Puffie” after Pastor Terry Jones’s burn a Koran day on 9-11-2010.

        According to the FBI I field tested a small quantity of “koran Puffies”.

        Since then, I have had my house raided by the USPS, FBI, and several other agencies (October 6, 2010). Had my computers and other materials taken. Have been in several jails, spent 4 months getting psyco testing at the FMC in Butner, NC (I passed OK), have had my Social Security suspended (my families major financial support -I will by 73 years old on Nov. 9, 2011, and am now facing felony charges in Federal Court -case 10-CR-412-VEH-JEO-2. If convicted, I will probably spend the rest of my life in prison and my totally disabled wife of 34 years will probably also die because she will no longer have my Social Security.

      • Old Henry

        Mr. Parks:

        I guess I missed it, but what is a “koran Puffie”?

        I have never heard of the USPS raiding someone’s home. What grounds did they and the FBI have for such Nazi-like activity?

        What charges are they bringing in court? 73? Sounds like age discrimination to me.

      • Candace

        You are so right! It’s the “messiah” syndrome that Ann Coulter talks about of the far left. That same mentality and tactics are the Ron Paul group. In June the Republican Leadership Conference (in New Orleans) had bus loads arrive. Rumor was that some were paid to be there and they disrupted when Cain spoke and booed when Cain said “we support Israel.” People were really mad at the Paul bunch after that.

      • DaveH

        Don’t know, and don’t care, about how overly zealous some of his young followers might be. But can anybody blame them? Thanks to my generation and those earlier the young people are inheriting a country where the American Dream is no longer attainable by anybody who wants to put in the hard work to get there. The Dream has been replaced by the Empire Builders and their Crony Capitalists who are taking advantage of their Competitors, the taxpayers, and the consumers, for their own gains.
        Our military forces are mostly well-meaning, but they are just cannon fodder for the ambitions of the Politicians and their politically-connected Cronies. The truth is that they are not securing our “Freedom” by Intervening in other countries’ politics around the world. Instead they are increasing the number of our enemies who someday will overrun us when we have finally stretched ourselves too thin to provide a decent defense. It has happened to every great empire and it will happen to ours unless we get our heads out and start understanding what it would be like if we were on the outside looking in.
        How many of the gung-ho militarists would be happy, for instance, if Mexican Soldiers were patrolling our streets? How many of them would be happy if somebody helped to assassinate our President, like he has helped to assassinate Ghadafi? Oh, but he was a Bad Guy. Sure. Many here believe that same thing about Obama. It’s time for all good people to get their heads out and realize that the Leaders are using our Propagandized Ignorance to take advantage of us.
        Ron Paul is one of the Few who is aware of that reality.

      • Kate8

        DaveH – While everything you said is true, don’t you ever question why the NWO does not fear Ron Paul?

        Is it simply because the whole system, including the media, is rigged, and they don’t worry about him getting into office…or could it be that they are using him to draw out the opposition? After all, they’ve already labeled Ron Paul supporters as “homeland terrorists”.

        I would say both. And whether he is aware of this or not doesn’t really matter, because the result will be the same. (He is a smart man, and he sees what he is up against, so to assume that he is not aware would seem preposterous.)

        One man cannot solve the problems we face. Oh, I suppose he could make changes by doing what Obama does…simply implement his plans by Executive Order when he doesn’t have the support of the other branches. But does anyone think he’d ever get that far?

        While I really like Ron Paul, to see him as our savior is just not realistic. He is, after all, only a man…It would take a real David and Goliath scenario to make this happen.

      • DaveH

        Kate,
        Sure they trained him and had him vote against Unconstitutional Bills for 30 years just so he could endure severe personal attacks in his old age and fool us.
        And he preaches Freedom and Constitutional compliance to everybody he knows because his handlers like a challenge to overcome.
        Your’s must be a scary world indeed with all those conspiracies all around you.

      • Old Henry

        Kate:

        I think Ron Paul may pull off the “Sneaky Pete”. Hd continues to plug along building support even as he is ihgnored by the press. He is building grass-root support. It’s kind of like everyone (the MSM) watching the right hand (Perry, Romney, Cain) and not paying any attention to what the left hand is doing.

        Just look Kate, how Dr. Paul has changed the dialog. Almost to a person they are parroting him (and hoping we don’t notice).

        As DaveH succinctly reminded us several months ago, “we must keep our eye on the ball”.

      • Kate8

        DaveH – Once again you have twisted my words.

        I have made every attempt to be cordial to you, and to let you know that we are not on opposing sides. But you seem to be determined to keep the slights rolling.

        So be it.

      • DaveH

        Kate,
        You said “don’t you ever question why the NWO does not fear Ron Paul?”
        Given your background of embracing conspiracy theories, I thought you were implying that Ron was one of them. By the way, Big Government types do fear Ron. Why do you think they work so hard to contain his message?
        And remember I put a question mark after Savior. It was a remark that sorta was flip, and sorta was not. At least at present, he is the only one that comes even close among the Republicans to knowing what it takes to lead us out of the wilderness. Your frets about conspiracies would be moot points if we defanged the only entity in our society that is accepted by most (not me) to have the green flag for violent force. If you don’t want to work towards that goal of actually solving the Problem which is Big Government, then you’re just blowing smoke.

      • Dennis48e

        Dave if you had bothered to actualy read her post you would not have questioned her approval of Ron Paul. Instead you chose to get your panties in a knot (as you do every so often) after reading the first few lines instead of reading and considering what she actualy said..

      • Jay

        Funny Kate, about a week ago i was thinking along similar lines concerning RP. Of course, i declined to mention it, for obvious reasons. Kudos to you Kate, for being so courageous! Although i agree with your analysis, given the fact that this is a high stakes game, and as you said, rigged, i fear a second scenario with respect to RP. As Dave did make a reasonable rebuttal to your concerns, in that, suggesting that RP is knowingly playing into the conspiracy to deceive is not only intellectually absurd, but an insult to RP’s integrity, is a moot point, since it is impossible to prove. However, knowing what we know, concerning the history of our politics, and the collusion, or agreement between government and big money entities, your discernment, is not so far-fetched! But, laying all that aside, if that is even possible, let’s consider that, at least from RP’s position, that RP is operating with integrity, and, is not in any way involved, or playing part in the deception, as you suggested, and, should he be successful, how long do you suppose before RP is eliminated, one way or another? Do we not have a history of eliminating President’s, or anyone else, should they be so bold, and determined to reverse the status quo? As you said, and i agree, the system is rigged, and the stakes are very high. Add to that, a system controlled by very powerful, greedy, power-obsessed, and extremely wealthy few, whom by the way, are extremely desperate to maintain their position as lords over us all, it then seems reasonable to assume, they will say and do anything, including eliminating opposition, in any manner possible, to maintain their coveted positions. Desperate people will engage in desperate behaviour, and this principle applies to both sides of the fence. It applies to the sheep/governed, and to the psychopathic shepherds! But, having said all that, i do support, in principal, Ron Paul!

      • Kate8

        Jay – I did not imply that RP is part of the deception. I said that whether he is or is being used by the PTB doesn’t really matter insofar as the result is the same. He is drawing out the opposition to the NWO, for better or worse.

        I am a Ron Paul supporter and have been for a long time. I just can step back and see that big picture and, unlike DaveH, do understand that conspiracy is afoot, whether he wants to believe it or not.

        DaveH only looks at what he wants to see, like probably most people. I have always been one to question things that don’t make sense, and have peered into places most are afraid to go. Just because some of us are more comfortable living in denial does not make things untrue.

        I know that you are more aware than most, so you know what I am talking about. And I don’t mean to fault DaveH for his views. He just hasn’t looked far enough, because those places are not for the faint of heart.

        God bless you and everyone who sees that things are not necessarily as they seem. And I readily admit that we have no idea how much is established fact and how much is psy-ops…it is common to spread fear and dread, and the idea that those being targeted have already lost…After all, we live in a manufactured reality, and are left to try to make sense out of the senseless.

      • http://personalliberty tina

        USMC-SEE STANDUPAMERICAUS.ORG MAJOR GENERAL PAUL VALLELY’S “NATIONAL CALL TO ACTION” VETERAN DEFENDERS,MARCH ON D.C. 11-11-11. PLEASE READ,ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

      • DaveH

        If you do some studying, Grunt, and learn some real Economics and History instead of getting your political ideas from the boob tube, you will realize that Ron Paul’s agenda would really save this country. A good first step would be to read this book:
        http://mises.org/store/How-Capitalism-Saved-America-P260.aspx

        Of course, I was being flip when I called him our “Savior”, but he definitely is the only other Republican Candidate who can head us back in the correct direction. Gary Johnson would do a good job also, but the MSM has effectively shut him down for now.

      • wandamurline

        I believe in what Paul says, only problem with Ron Paul is that he cannot beat Obama. You have to understand that we are not just fighting to rid ouselves of Obama, we are going to have to fight the alphabet news medias who are going to crucify Paul…probably more so than they did Sarah Palin in 2008…because Paul has been in politics a lot longer than Palin and has more material from which to choose. We have got to have a candidate that can beat Obama in this upcoming election, less America is lost forever.

      • Captain Mike

        You may be right that he can’t beat Obama. But why elect another Lite Democrat like Romney? We may be too far along to be saved, but at least the danger can now be seen. If the majority wakes up in time, someone like Paul WILL be electable.

      • Kate8

        wandamurline – Don’t your realize yet that anyone who has the attention of the media is none other than the pick of the same elites who back Obama?

        It take huge funding to be at the election forefront. This means money from the NWO elite, like George Soros (yes, they fund both sides). Whoever gets the most media exposure is going to further the plans of the NWO, and will be NO DIFFERENT THAN OBAMA. So, to take an “anyone but Obama” approach is futile.

        As long as we continue to allow the media to determine the outcomes of our elections, we will continue to get more of the same, only worse.

        Actually, I have doubts that we’ll ever see another election. With the expansion of the TSA to our public buildings and highways, and the coming “emergency test system” (trial?) coming on 11/9 (just backward from 9/11), I would not be at all surprised to see the open implementation of martial law at that time.

        That’s just a few days from now, folks. I hope you are ready.

        http://dprogram.net/2011/10/25/police-state-10-25-11/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wordpress%2FBcwy+%28Deprogram%29&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail

      • bp

        wandamurline: Same tired old line “he can’t beat BHO”; says who? The independents will decide the next election & Ron Paul is an independent. What we DO NOT want is another RINO like Romney, a media favorite! Hint:whomever the MSM “favors” should not be our choice!

      • DaveH

        Here we go with that same old mantra, wandamurline. Of course he can beat Obama. If he can’t nobody can because he offers Freedom for everybody, not just for the Controlling Right Wingers or the Controlling Left Wingers. He would attract Freedom Lovers from both parties.
        Don’t you know that the “can’t beat Obama scam” is promoted by those who want people to give up and vote for the same old Establishment Republicans?
        Here’s proof that he can beat Obama:
        http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/51165/

      • DaveH

        You can swallow the spoon-fed Propaganda, Wandamurline, or you can think for yourself:
        http://www.dailypaul.com/170208/the-blue-republicans-for-ron-paul-are-up-and-running

      • DaveH

        Here’s more proof:
        http://www.topix.com/issue/fox/gop-debate-aug11

        Notice the color of California? Is California a bastion of Republicans? Not the last I heard.

      • DaveH

        And even if he couldn’t beat Obama, are you going to sacrifice your Principles and vote for the lesser of two evils knowing full-well that the result will always be more evil?

      • Alex

        You grunt so loud, Grunt—but you nothing of which you grunt…

    • http://al@bellaproducts.com al metcalf

      The real truth is just as scarey as the article.
      If we take back the control of the gov’t in 2012 from the Progressives and start dismantelling this mess. We can count on riots in the streets and maybe civil war. This will be led by Obama and his thugs who are unhappy that the gravey train is derailled.
      If Obamaa remains in office and continues his Socialist policies, there will be riots in the streets and maybe civil war. This time the riots will be from his disenchanted followers who will be joined by many other citizens who see their freedoms being trampled by this tyrant.
      Either way, stock up on ammunition, because we are going to need it.

      • Old Henry

        Actually al, I think the riots will begin on 11/07/12, but in any case you are correct, when the gravy train jumps the track the riots will begin.

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