Care to cite a source on that? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

You’ve never heard of the Whiffenpoofs, have you samurai?

Check ‘em out at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Whiffenpoofs_of_1912_with_Louie_Linder_and_the_Mohicans.jpg

Rob

No, I haven’t heard of them. Thanks for the info. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

45 – No, the reason kids are sexually active earlier nowadays is because they grow up earlier. Girls mature earlier than when I was a girl. It is a societal problem, not a school problem. When you have mothers dressing up six-year-olds like little hookers, what can you expect?

45 says: “They teach them sex ‘education’ and get them interested in trying it. ”

I hear some girl named Mary was knocked up by some older guy called god when she was 12 or 13. Today that would be statuitory rape in most states.

Rob

First, you can’t prove how old she was. Second, God didn’t just knock her up. You mean like you did your soon to be ex-wife and destroy the life inside of her? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai says: “God didn’t just knock her up.”

Well, how did he get her preggers?

Rob

Aren’t we speculating on that statement, hmmm? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Are you without sin 45? The Lord was no lover of guns

Really? I’m afraid that you have absolutely no evidence that the Lord was not a lover of guns.

Incidently, Christ Jesus, God Jehova, and the Holy Spirit are the same being – the Holy Trinity. Basically these are God Above Us, God With US, and God Within Us. You cannot accept one with accepting all three. Please continue to study.

Polytheism to go with thecanabalism… Interesting.

Rob

Oh, and I’m the first to admit that I do sin, regardless of what I’d like. But I am repentant when I find myself doing it and ask Christ/God to forgive me – and then I try harder to not do that sin again. So far I’m successful on some but not on others.

All people sin. Not all people deliberately sin by choice, knowing it is a sin. There is a difference.

Hate is a sin. Christ said ‘Do not call anyone renegade”. My Catholic high school taught me we should substitute “queer” for renegade. And on guns – “beat your swords (guns did not exist then) into plowshares”. BTW I accept the Trinity. I use the term the Lord as not all of those who belive in God accept Christ and the Holy Spirit.

James:

Again, I do not hate anyone. Dislike, maybe. But not hate. Every few people actually hate anything. You should research not only what love is but also what hate is. People who hate, destroy what they hate. If we ‘hated’ homosexuals, all of them who are identified would be dead.

James:

Again, read your Bible and study. Swords at the time of Jesus was the finest assault weapons you could find. They had no use except killing other people. They were useless for hunting, useless as a tool for any purpose, and heavy. Cloaks, on the other hand, were very important. They were used for warmth, as blankets when you were away from home, as protection from the weather, and generally were a way to identify your tribe and your social position in the world. EVERYONE HAD ONE. Yet Jesus told his Apostles to get a sword if they had to sell their cloaks to do it when he sent them out when he was facing his death. He knew they would need those for personal protection. So he would be against swords? He would be against guns? I doubt it!

Le that be the case for Christian religions. But render to Caesar what is his when it comes to Civil Marriage.

Should read “Let that be the case for Christian marriage”

Civil marriage is a farce. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Outstanding comment.

Montana:

I agree. Hate is simply too strong a word. Disgust, dislike – those are better words. Hate causes you to want to obliterate the cause of that hatred. If people truly hated gays, there would be NO gays out of the closet. A good example of this? Any Muslim country.

So do you admire Muslim countries for this 45. Some people who post here do and want America to emulate Muslim nations. Thank God we live in the diverse and great USA.

James:

No, I don’t admire Muslim countries in anything, much less that. I simply pointed out that gays in some areas of the world cannot speak out – just as Christians can’t in some areas of the world. At least not without getting killed. So far I’ve seen NOTHING in ANY Muslim nation that interests me at all in what I’d like to see done there or anywhere else.

I was simply trying to point out that the majority of people in the US does NOT hate homosexuals as they like to insist. If the people did, they would be killed the moment they admitted they were gay – or even was suspected of being gay.

Why do you call on the name of God, when you yourself is not a child of God? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

From Montana: “Those that follow scripture KNOWS gay behavior is wrong and deviant”

So is eating a cheeseburger. Why aren’t you picketing McDonald’s?

Rob

SSDD eh Rob? No intelligent response possible from you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Nope samurai. It’s from your brutal christian bible babble. Remember, It’s in the verse Deuteronomy 14:21.

Speaking of kids…

So, why aren’t they protesting McDonald’s for serving up cheeseburgers and corrupting kids?

Aren’t ALL the bible prohibitions important, or just the ones you can use to brutalize others with?

Rob

Since the Old Testiment also deals with the Jewish diet, that is why it mentions things you are talking about. Not about killing people if you do, but if you eat many of these things, you may die earlier from bad health. Neeeeed to do more than scratch the surface. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I wonder how many authors of those 30,000 books are gay?

I have absolutely no idea. I don’t go back and study info on the authors and seldom buy a book because of the author. I’m certain some are but have no idea which ones they might be.

True. I don’t necessarily buy a book because of the author. My point in that question was to show that we can’t isolate ourselves from people who are born gay. I have had gay teachers, gay clergy members, gay bosses (I also recently had a Mormom boss). Being gay is no big deal. A gay kiss in a school play should be no big deal.

Stop lying about being born gay. I sware you lie like a rug. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

We think the same about you, Rob. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

So have prostitutes, thieves, murderers, child pornographers, adulterers, cheats and liars….but I still don’t want to live next to them.

Ignorant homophobes have been around forever as well.

That is correct – but I’d still rather live next door to one of those that the other list.

Define homophobe James.

Typical lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxist response. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

AMEN TO THAT BROTHER : )

She wasn’t born that way, though. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Must have been how Dick and his wive brought her up.

BTW, were you born a hateful religious bigot?

Rob

Since I haven’t mention anything about other religions, your point falls flat on its face. No one is born gay and that’s a fact. I sure they didn’t raise her that way and you know it. She probably became that way by going to one of the many left wing progressive indoctrination camps across America, called universities. Neeeeed to quit lying about things Rob. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Hi samurai,

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Cheney

Well, let’s look at the education of Mary… “Cheney attended McLean High School in McLean, Virginia, graduating in the class of 1987. Following that, she attended Colorado College, her mother’s alma mater, in Colorado Springs, Colorado, and graduated in 1991. She earned a graduate business degree from the University of Denver in 2002.”

That doesn’t sound particularly “liberal” to me.

BTW, did you know she is an unwed mother? TWICE. Here’s what she said about the first one on January 31, 2007, in a forum by Glamour Magazine at Barnard College of Columbia University. Mary Cheney stated that: “This is a baby… This is a blessing from God. It is not a political statement. It is not a prop to be used in a debate by people on either side of an issue. It is my child.”

Think your brutal christian god is the same one Mary is talking about?

Rob

The point was about her daughter being born gay and nothing about her mother, moron. Stay on subject. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Yes, they did – to have kids. Check out the Spartans sometimes and how they treated those who were straight. And guess what – they aren’t around any more either.

Herman Gerhing was a gay also, so what’s your point? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Yes, they built the first Christian empire in the world, the Byzantine Empire, ruled under Constantine. That one lasted for 1000-1100 years, so what is your point? None, perhaps. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

My point is that the christians didn’t do such a good job of managing during the dark ages.

Rob

Why do you have to insist that they are ignorant. Just because it makes them feel uncomfortable does not make them ignorant, bigoted or any other term you may want to attach to it.

I call them ignorant because they cannot deal with reality. Reality is that gay people exist. Get over it. Live your life without hatred for those who are different than you are.

Then treat those people with respect whose views are different than yours. It works both ways.

Mon: Correct. James insists we should treat him with respect – and then calls those who won’t by some name which definately doesn’t show his respect for those who disagree with him.

45 – When some people are crude and rude, that is what it begets. It is hard to remain adult and composed when faced with the opposite.

Then why don’t you move somewhere that will accept you? I hear Iran or Saudi Arabia might take you in. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

James: Are you CERTAIN that no one forced the students to watch it? In mamy cases, that isn’t possible any more. Check out the system in California for instance.

Plays are extra-curricular activities. My high school (a Catholic high school)put on at least 3 plays a year on weekends. I saw some. Others I did not see. I went to see a niece perform in her high school’s musical last Spring. I believe there was kissing and talk of heterosexual activity in the play. No one walked out.

Plays are SUPPOSED to be extra-curicular – but many aren’t. When I was in school many, many years ago, everyone was marched in to watch the first performance of a play and no one was exempt. I suspect many schools still do the same thing.

The truth is, it wasn’t that small of a group that walked out.

What was the number that walked out and how many students attended?

Why don’t you post it and stop trying to have Crystal do your homework for you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Hi Crystal,

Looks to me like it was an organized and NOT a spontanious event that some football players walked out. Considering that part of the purpose of the show was to reverse the roles of the typical high school ladder it doesn’t surprise me that those “tough” football players just couldn’t take it when the roles are reversed. But then, most bullies are cowards.

From WTIC CBS radio in Hartford, http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2011/10/17/connecticut-musical-stirs-controversy-after-2-men-kiss-during-performance/: ““There was a public walkout by a bunch of students (when the kiss happened) … mostly male,” Johnson said. “It was visually evident (due to the jerseys the team was wearing) that a lot of football players got up and walked out. It was almost a symbolic kind of thing.”

BTW, the show was billed as a “musical fairy tale”.

Rob

It doesn’t matter if they were athletes or not. They walked out because it offended them. If you go to a movies and you don’t like it, you leave. If you are watching a TV show and don’t like it, you change the channel. The same is being displayed by the students that walked out. Just because someone doesn;t like something perverse, does not make them a bully. Like you try to do on this site. Neeeeed to get a life and quickly make that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

from samurai: “They walked out because it offended them.”

Actually the more I learn the more it looks organized. IMO The big tough football team could easily have been led by some right wing nut because the objective of the play was to turn things upside down.

Rob

No way to prove that Rob. What I’ve posted is true, so buzz off. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

James in NY, your ignorance is showing. It is YOUR KIND that is destroying our country. I don’t hate these people, but they are not living according to the laws of my God, so I can not accept their life styles, but they are trying to FORCE me to accept it. I say NO. You accept it if you want, that’s your business. But I shall NOT leave my country, as my country was founded on Christian beliefs, and I will defend those beliefs and my country. You move.

You are the ignorant one darling. We must all live according to the “laws of your god”. Who is your god – Allah? You think no differently than those who fly airplanes into buildings to kill those who don’t follow the laws of their god. You would really be much happier in the likes of Saudi Arabia. I think they may even have public whippings of gays there. You would love it. But don’t pervert my country with your ignorance and hate. Don’t pervert my religion (I am a Catholic) with your talk of an evil and hateful God and call yourself a Christian. Lose your hate and lose your anger girl. Smile, God loves you.

Again, you are so pitiful. And a perfect example of what is wrong with this country. I have never seen such hatred in a person as you. Consider yourself prayed for and, from now on, ignored. God bless you.

You lie James! God may love you, but due to your moronic lifestyle will cast you into the eternal lake of fire. How can you say that you are a Catholic and be proud of being part of a queer lifestyle? Then you must know many places in the Bible where it says your kind of lifestyle is wrong in the eyes of God. How pathetic you really are. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai says: “Then you must know many places in the Bible where it says your kind of lifestyle is wrong in the eyes of God. ”

How’s ’bout considering picketing Burger King? After all cheeseburgers are also an abomination.

Mixed fibers… Not according to that there brutal christian god.

Why don’t you bring ALL of your bible with you samurai?

Rob

I also know the part in Romans 1 starting with verse 24 that says to encourage someone to sin or support their decision to sin is just as guilty in the eyes of God as the person actually sinning. Neeeeed to get over the overuse and refuted arguements. They do nothing for your credibility. Ooops! I forgot that you have no credibility. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

P.S. If you would think about it, these things are symbolisms and possess a different meaning then what you have given them.

What I find VERY irritating is the extreme vocal minority can force their own belief system on the majority as somehow “normal”. Gay/Lesbian community comprises about 2% of the population in America. Now contrast this to the percentage of Americans that identify with religion of some sort- 84%.

Those that continue to try and make homosexuality “normal” are in for a tough road- the overwhelming majority will not tolerate it and WILL push back. I believe that I can speak for most, that what you do IN YOUR HOUSE is just fine- but do not push you agenda on the rest of us. Names like “Homophobe”, “Gay-Bashing” or any of the like will not work, because they are simply not true. Again- your house? fine! outside? not so much…

Montana – You say 84% of the nation associates with one religion or another. But not all people who associate with a religion are hateful to those born gay. Many Christians, Jews and Buddhist accept that the Lord has made people gay and that as such gay people are entitled to happiness like everyone else. Judge not less you be judged. I will deal with the Lord on Judgement day and not with the likes of you.

James:

The Lord does not make gay people. Sorry. It is a decision by the person. The Lord’s work is perfect. And He will not make a person who contains a flaw. Flaws are taught to the person by the world and accepted by the person. To the Lord, homosexual sex is a sin. Therefore the Lord will NOT make a gay person. This is only an excuse to justify sinful behavior taught to you by others who know the truth.

James,
I’ll believe people are born gay when scientists isolate a gay gene. Since both of a gay person’s parents are straight who do they inherit their gay gene from?

Palin – The theory I have heard is that (Of course you know that we all start out as female, right?)it is caused by the mother’s not having enough testosterone for the male child, so he has more female in him; while a female with too much testosterone is a lesbian. Very simple and very logical.

45 – If the Lord’s work is perfect, why do we have children born with mental defects, down syndrome, cerebral palsy, etc.

James, there is no gay gene so stop lying. Karolyn, what you have heard is maybe a theory and should not be taken seriously. Science cannot prove anything outside the physical realm of things. Behavior is learned and not inherited.

From samurai: “Behavior is learned and not inherited.”

I feel very sad about the hate you may be teaching your kids.

You know… Like that brutal christian “god hates fags.”

Rob

Once again with the lies there Rob? The only one here trying to be brutal is you, in which you are failing miserably. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai says: “The only one here trying to be brutal is you,”

Is that what you consider honesty to be?

Oh well… Again I’ll address that brutal christian god you are so paroud to follow. Many consider him to be fiction but I’ll highlight some of the stories.

Remember how he killed everyone except Noah and his family?

He tortured his own kid.

He smashed a couple of cities. I’m still wondering what “Gamority” is.

Put a guy into a position where he had to decide about killing his own kid.

Yup, sure looks like a brutal god to me.

Want more examples?

Rob

Still nothing but lies, rhetoric, and innuendo, eh Rob? He saved Noah and his family, because they were children of God and not of satan. He also destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for their sexually perverse lifestyles of queers, bis, and people having beastial relationships. Orgies were also common there. Jesus died on the cross for all the sins of the world. No other reason. God tested Abrahams faith with Issac and found to be hard core in his faith, but you forgot that God had him spare his son by providing him with a ram. Neeeeed to get off of the lies about scripture. Since you were once a protestant (Posted August 22, 2010), you should know that those who knew God and Jesus, but have fallen away, receive the greater damnation in the afterlife. Neeeeed to quit lying about everything, accomplace to murder. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

James it’s your kind that in the end well be put in zoos for our amusement .

WRONG!!! Joyce is voicing what the majority think. You on the other hand can’t seem to comprehend how the majority of people in this country think. Just because Obama is a pervert and legislates all perversions, doesn’t mean the people accept it.

True that! True that! That’s why he’ll lose next year! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Actually, I don’t care if you are gay or straight, white, black or purple. Just behave like a citizen instead of claiming people owe you something for the choices or lifestyles you decide to lead.

If you will note… I did not say anything to object to the play only that schools need to focus on teaching and that special (for lack of a better term) groups consistently try to force their views on everyone else. I don’t go around forcing homosexuals et al to view my sexual lifestyle and I expect them to do the same for me. What you decide to do in the bedroom is between you, your partner and God.

Sure… go ahead and put on the play. Really, who cares? I reserve the right to not see or pay for it nor to have my kid be forced to see it.

Schools should not promote alternative sexual lifestyles. It is a place to learn how to function in society. Things like reading, writing and mathematics are important. So is how to balance a checkbook and how to budget resources, but, we are too concerned with sexual lifestyles to really teach what matters. Forget true critical thinking, that isn’t taught in our modern schools.

“True critical thinking” -sounds to me like being open minded to the fact that some people have different skin color, use a different hand or have a different sexual orientation. This was an after school play. It did not take away from reading, writing and arithmetic which by the way I think are very important

Sorry James, but it isn’t just the school that’s the problem here. The real problem are you and you ilk always waving your queer lifestyle in our faces. Keep it out of the schools and keep it in the closet where it belongs. No exceptions. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai says: “The real problem are you and you ilk always waving your queer lifestyle in our faces. Keep it out of the schools and keep it in the closet where it belongs.”

I feel the same way about your brutal religion. The real problem are you and your ilk always waving your bruttal lifestyle in our faces. Keep it out of the schools and keep it in the closet where it belongs. If you try to shove it down my kid’s throat I’ll consider it to be a religious rape.

Rob

Nice twist of words Rob, but to no avail. In my school, we still have Bibles in our library and Bible Study groups after school. I even work in a public school. It’s called freedom of religion and freedom of speech, like it? Gays should keep their immoral lifestyle in the closet, where it belongs. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Morduin00:

I agree with you. Further, I object to any group who insists my kids MUST see what they want to show them. And I object to any group who insists on teaching children sex in ANY form. It goes beyond sex. I object to teachers teaching environmental religion, alternate lifestyles of ANY type, or any other brainwashing activities. They are there to teach the basics of English, math, sciences, history, etc. ONLY.

Environmentalism is science. I don’t mean to change the topis and I am no raging environmentalist. I don’t care for Al Gore and I have mixed views on global warming. But I would no look to silence science. I believe in evolution. History is open to interpretation.

James:

Environmentalism is officially a science and to a great extent is. BUT … there are certainly people who also accept it as a religion. Unfortunately, they are also generally the most vocal since they want to convert everyone else to their religion.

2 males kissing each other is immoral, unnatural, and should not be presented to the minds of our children. Enough said. You and your ilk neeeeed to take a powder and get lost. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

California forcing students to learn gay history, watch gay plays, and learn about same sex ways would be the same thing, yes? Can’t have it both ways, murderer. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Another lie from samurai who called me “murderer.”

I have killed no one illegally.

And to be clear I have NEVER performed an abortion. Another FACT is that I have decided for no one that they should or should not have an abortion.

More lies from samurai.

Isn’t that a sin, or does your brutal god allow you to be a false witness?

Rob

Since you have posted about convincing your ex-wife (not the wife now) to have an abortion, you are an accomplace to murder. I remember because you made a big deal of her being single, no kids, and had 3 dogs. Neeeeed to quit lying. As far as you talking about lying, you are very hypoctitical on this aren’t you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Simply put Doc if you are queer, you are not good with God! I do not think even if you support their agenda are you good with God. Did you understand why God destroyed everyone at an earlier time in our history? Same as today.

The Lord has made me gay and every day more people are born gay. The Lord is not a hate monger. Find a different god to worship if you cannot accept that.

James, really? God made you that way?
Try this: God made me a thief and gossip and racist. Wanna come over for dinner?

We get to decide how we will behave; so don’t lay that on God. That’s a wimp’s excuse. A real man says, I am responsible for my actions and a real man acknowledges that God has a law, which is imprinted on our hearts. That law shows us as we are; but God has a way of redemption for those who hear his law, hear the Gospel and respond in repentance.

I pray you try that someday before He returns.

I want inform you that God does not create anyone gay. This is an aquired skill. It does not come from birth. God has made from the beginning man and woman to be together. In His word He has stated clearly in book of Romans 1:18-32 read as follows: 18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator–who is forever praised. Amen.26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. This is what God said in His word about it. You have a problem then take up with God and not man He will be final judge and no law on Earth will make to Heaven for those who stand before the Great White Throne who are all unbeliever without Christ in life and Savour.

James: Riiiigggghhhhttt.

That is only a convenient excuse – like “the dog ate my homework.” And it is just as believeable.

For many long years now, I have abhorred the use of the word GAY when used to describe homo-sexuality…GAY is another word for happiness, not perversion.
I have all of the Christian beliefs, except the right to bring it into every conversation as the ultimate answer.
Also need to say, won’t ever attend a house of worship as any meditation, I can do any time I wish and at my choosing..Most Churches I have observed are merely tax-free businesses anyway and filled with hypocrites.
I could obviously write a whole bunch more on both subjects…but it would mean nothing to the general readers here , and my views are paramount to me personally.

Even if you accept that people are born homosexual they still have to make a consicious choice to be an active homosexual.

There is no gay gen, moron! Why do you bring up that old refuted arguement? God also does not create people to be gay. Why would he, when doing such actions are punisjable with hellfire and brimstone? Neeeeed to kick your boyfriend out of the house and go back to church. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Hey samurai, you are correct they haven’t found a single gene that is responsible for someone being gay. However they have found several genes that can contribute to a predisposition to be gay just as some folks have a combination of genes that makes them more likley to be an alcoholic.

Check out: http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20050128/is-there-gay-gene

Ignorance can be cured.

Rob

“There is no gay gene”

American Psychological Association Handbook
2008

You’re wrong again Rob. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Please, Doc, no cliche’s…”so into you”??? I mean , like, cool man, like, yeah, I’m really “into” ya.

As for not chastising those with opinions other than your own? How about calling someone “narrow minded” or perhaps “homophobe”?

I do pray that you are “right with God”. I believe that as this world falls into more and more moral decay that it will hasten his return.

“Narrow minded” and “homophobic”, I thought that is what they were going for.

Moronic response with no intelligence in it whatsoever. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Doc, you indeed may be around for a long time and I hope you are but, to say you are in good with god is not to say that he is in good with you. Yes, homosexuality exists but, that doesn’t make it right or truly natural. Homosexuality is anti-species.

Hey chris, you say: ” Homosexuality is anti-species.”

So is war. So is poverty. So is a lack of universal health care.

Are you working to end any of those, or are you simply using your bible babble to be a bigot?

Rob

Non of those things are anti-species Rob. Anti-species is when someone lives an unnatural lifestyle and cannot reproduce. Neeeeed to get a lief. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai says: ” Anti-species is when someone lives an unnatural lifestyle and cannot reproduce.”

Like a priest who sticks to his vows. NO reproduction. How unnatural. But christian.

Rob

Pedophiles are saying the same thing.

I also don’t think he would approve of your supporting of their unnatural lifestyle. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

From samurai: “I also don’t think he would approve of your supporting of their unnatural lifestyle. ”

Well… Particularly early christianity was an unnatural lifestyle. Further, all those food things are unnatural. I like lobster. I like cheeseburgers.

How is it you and your brutal god (I really think you are making him up because I haven’t met anyone who has met him.) get to decide what’s natural and what isn’t? How’s ’bout letting gays decide what’s natural. After all even in nature there are same sex couples.

Rob

Old arhuements that have already been refuted many times on this site and acedemia. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Karolyn, Malachi 1:1-3 reads: “The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi. I have loved you,saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob’s brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.” In the New Testament, Romans 9:13 reads: “As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.”

Wrong Doc. Many basic educational tools are being eliminated to make room for social issues.

Liberal indoctrination and the dumbing down of America. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

sc: I agree. And people wonder why it is that home schooled kids do much better in college than those who come from public schools. I’m sure it has nothing to do with the fact that home schooled kids actually are taught the basics instead of all this other stuff. Right?

45caliber, home-schooled kids EXCEL because they learn AT HOME. When kids have a caring adult (or two – whatever the situation is, especially at home) kids can blossom and leave public school kids behind in the dust. It takes MONEY out of the education equation, and it also makes Uncle Scam look like the psychotic kid-hater that he is.
Get kids OUT of public schools. Parents, if you love your kids and you want them to make use of their potential, get them OUT of public schools. Parents, if you don’t care about your kids, if you love Uncle Scam more than you love your kids, leave them in public schools.
45caliber, being in a public school these days is like being a victim of a planned brain removal. NO ONE who cares about kids will let them stay in a Stalinesque, public school.

Oh, I fully agree with you!

Just like complaining about kids becoming “fat asses” while constantly reducing the amount of physical activity permitted at school especially elementary school.

There is also some truth to lack of parental involvement and kids playing computer games and texting etc. instead of studying or getting exercise.

Not to mention how the schools got rid of recess. When my son attended public school (he’s been out for years and is in private school) they told the boys to act like girls at recess. My son came home angry because they wouldn’t let the boys run, kick balls, or play the way boys like to.

I think that is done for insurance purposes. In our sue-happy society parents will sue if Bobby hurts himself during recess.

James, every instance of reducing recess time I have heard about is to allow more time for “social studies”.

“Not to mention how the schools got rid of recess.”

That was my point crystal. Guess I wasn’t specific enough to make myself clear.

Aw! Poor thing!

Insurance reasons are an old arguement that has been refuted many times. It is because of they want students to conform to a certain way of doing things. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Agreed. But consider the parks near you. Would you want to send your kids there to play without adult supervision? If your yard isn’t fences, would you even want your kids to play in your yard without supervision? There are too many people out there willing to hurt those kids. And when, as an adult, you have work at home and work at work that you have to do, you generally don’t have time to provide that supervision. So what else is left? Keep them in the house.

And I agree about the lack of play at school. Little Jonny or Susie might get hurt by falling down! And some parent might decide to sue since everyone knows the school is made of money. So they can’t allow the kids to run and play.

From 45: “But consider the parks near you. Would you want to send your kids there to play without adult supervision?”

And I wouldn’t want to send my kid anywhere near a catholic church. So many raped there. I hear if a nun wants to have sex she has to dress like an alter boy.

Rob

Ignorant remark and not worthy of a response Rob. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

For you ROADKILL.

What part of worshiping a brutal invisible god, giving money to his minions, and harming others with your hate don’t you understand?

Clue: When you push another down you aren’t lifting yourself.

Rob

You are way off with your comment about God. He is not brutal, but loving and forgiving. It’s unfortunate for you queers who are mentally messed up,That you cannot follow his message and have a better life. You should be very afraid of a god that in reality does exist and will take care of degenerates like you in the end. The majority of us do not like you shoving your queer agenda down our throats. Do you not dislike smelling like poop everyday? LOL I go with RoadKill’s question for you. What do you not understand about it ain’t right. Hell,even the animal kingdom gets it!!!! A dog will kill another dog for even thinking of it. Further more I truly believe that if you queers continue to push your agenda on the rest of us, that queer bashing will pale in comparison to what is coming for all of you.

God determines who he likes and dislikes LOST so you seem to hiding behind His robe and using it as an excuse to further your dislike for someone elses way of life. God may be loving but you seem to be making a threat against those you disagree with by saying “queer bashing will pale in comparison to what is coming for you”.

eddie:

You are right in a way. God does decide what is a sin and holds the sinner responsible for the act. Frankly, I really feel sorry for the people like Rob who refuses to accept Jesus as his savior and repend of his sins. The poor guy is going to find out who actually is the Ruler of All when he dies. Jesus is to be the judge. While Jesus does love the sinner, he hates the sin – and we shall be punished for the sins UNLESS we accept Jesus as our Savior and repudiate the sins. Some, like Rob, are going to be in trouble unless they do realize where they are going wrong.

Hey Eddie, God has already said that Homosexuality is a sin. If you can read, check the bible and you will see that it says God hates the sin but loves the sinner. It’s a fact that homosexuality is a mental condition. It’s also a fact that God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

You are part right ed-duh, but remember that homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of God. The person no, but their actions are punishable by hellfire and brimstone. If you also read Romans 1 starting at verse 24, you will also see that anyone who encourages someone to sin (Being pro gay, pro-choice, etc.) and tells them it is OK, or your right, is just as guilty as the person committing the sin. Neeeeed to wake up and smell the coffee ed-duh. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

From Lost: “You are way off with your comment about God. He is not brutal, but loving and forgiving.”

Really…

He killed everyone on Earth except Noah and his family.

He killed all the folks in two cities except Lot and his kids. Lot was a piece of work screwing his daughters. Why did he get saved?

Crusades. Inquisitions. Witch trials…

Brutal god.

Rob

USAF says: “God has already said that Homosexuality is a sin.”

So? I don’t follow your brutal god or his tortured kid Jesus. Are they really the “same” or are christians polytheistic as well as being canabals with that transsubstancian thing?

Why should I follow such a brutal creepy god?

Rob

Rob shut your face. If all you are going to do is tell lies and spew hate, then just go away. No one wants you here. Noah was spared because he and his family were children of God. Lot did not knock up his daughters, moron. His daughters got him drunk and took advantage of him when he was knocked out. Witch Trials? Don’t go down that road. The kids that started that crap was out of jealousy and hate and were not Christians. Not everyone that went to the Crusades were Christians, moron. I’d rather be a Christian and beieving in God and Jesus, then to be someone like you on the way to hades. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

P.S. How does it feel knowing that you helped to torture and murder your own child?

With no respect for our Founding Fathers samurai seems to think “We the PEOPLE” isn’t part of our foundation document, The Constitution.

And thus he puts his brutal god above all Americans whether or not samurai’s brutal god is believed in.

How unAmerican.

Rob

How can you Rob say “WE THE PEOPLE”, when you don’t represent anything but your own arrogance and hate? This don’t sound like “WE THE PEOPLE” to me. You represent nothing but yourself. Not the people. I guess you don’t like this nation being founded a Christian nation and on Christian principles. They are never going away, but we hope you do. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Robert, What part of your hate of Christianity are you uncomfortable with. Your non-belief in God was not shared by the founding fathers contrary to the numerous so-called scholars who say different. The only diest ot the Constitutional Convention was Ben Franklin, there were 4 Ministers, and 12 Members of various Protestant faiths as well as 20 Catholics and 3 Jews who were part of that Convention. James Madisons original proposed Amendments to the Constitution of June 8 1789 stated: “The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any NATIONAL RELIGION BE ESTABLISH, no shall the full and equal rights of conscience by in any manner, or on any pretext [be] infringed.” The exact wording of this Proposed Amendment was approved by the First Session of the First House of Representatives in 1789 when it was sent to the Senate. It was the Senate who changed the wording to make it shorter and fit a more conscise form as we know it today. It would behove you and others to truely learn what the true intent of the founding fathers was in the writing of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Like wise I do not agree with those who disparge the likes, and dislikes of others, in that as Citizens of this Great Nation the have every right to have. However, I do believe that education regarding the true intent of the founding fathers should be improved.

Charles says: ” I do believe that education regarding the true intent of the founding fathers should be improved.”

Really? Can you cite any quotes from your christian bible in our Constitution?

The “true” intent was for freedom for individuals. Somehow with prohibitions on guns, drugs, sex and a bunch of other stuff that intent has been thwarted.

Rob

Rob

Ok moron, how about Creator, in the year of our Lord, blessings of liberty, God given rights (First 10 Amendments to the Constitution), and so on. Sheesh, would you get over the nonsense as we were founded a Christian nation. Nothing but a troll or a dingleberry. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

That was for Robert. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I promised myself I wouldn’t spend time commenting on these posts but I’ve got to do it. Anybody who thinks homosexuality is good and proper behavior and who credits our Creator with perpetrating evil on his own creation has it all wrong. The evils this world suffers under are a result of man choosing to do the wrong thing and not the result of a creator turned evil. There have to be rules for conduct and there are consequences to be paid when those rules are ignored or broken. The problem stems from people who want to engage in everything that comes to mind, like homosexual behavior, regardless of the consequences then they want to blame everybody and everything else for what happens next as a result. Homosexuality is anti-species period and the people who promote it to our children will be held accountable for it.

You are correct. And the Christians who run the schools will find that their acceptance of it will be a problem later when they face Judgement.

The purpose of this elevation of the gay lifestyle is not progress…it’s not at all what anyone thinks.

It’s catastrophic how we’ve been so blindly and unsuspectingly led down this road. We’ve been, and are being, socially engineered for a larger purpose, and it’s not for our betterment.

This plan was laid out during the 50s and 60s, and all has gone shockingly according to the plan. Unless we KNOW what’s behind all of this engineering, we will continue to march down the chute.

All of you liberals have made excellent pawns. But it’s a grave mistake to think the PTB love you. All they have for you is contempt.
But then, it is they who created you, and it was so easy.

http://www.rense.com/general94/nwoplans.htm

Kate – This has nothing to do with the PTB. It has to do with people being accepted for who and what they are.

Karolyn – You couldn’t be more wrong about that.

If you had read my link, it would all come together for you. But you, like most, prefer to remain in ignorance so you can revel in your social causes and feel oh-so-self-righteous about it.

Sorry, but I’m losing all patience with people who refuse to look at the truth. There is a plan afoot. In fact, it’s pretty much in place. This has been allowed to be because of people like you, and soon you will regret your refusal to see. It may be too late to stop it.

The moral corruption of our nation, the sexualizing of our children, the championing of sexual deviance…it all serves a bigger purpose. By not paying attention and learning what that purpose is, you are facilitating the demise of our nation.

Oh really, Karolyn? Can’t we accept them without them forcing their immoral agenda on us and always bringing it up in our faces? Of course, their ways wil never be accepted in this Christian nation. Don’t forget Karolyn, if anyone encourages someone to sin, then that person is as guilty of that sin as the person actually doing it. Read Romans 1 starting with verse 24. You may have your little lib mind awakened. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

From Kate: “The moral corruption of our nation, the sexualizing of our children,…”

Yup, all those priests who screwed so many kids, both boys and girls. Why would your god permit such a brutal thing? Oh, that’s right brutal christians prey.

Rob

Gays prey on children more Rob. Get off of the kool aid. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai claims: “Gays prey on children more Rob.”

ROFL… Care to show us a reference on that samurai? Again, I think you are lying.

BTW, I didn’t know that catholic priests who preyed on children were gay.

Oh, and here is a reference you can start with. Again you are proven wrong samurai. From – http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html: “Other researchers have taken different approaches, but have similarly failed to find a connection between homosexuality and child molestation. Dr. Carole Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children’s hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% in which an adult molester could be identified – only 2 of the 269 cases (Jenny et al., 1994).”

In that same article you can see the American Family Association completely debunked. It begins: “Some conservative groups have argued that scientific research strongly supports their claims that homosexuality and pedophilia are linked. The Family Research Council has produced what is perhaps the most extensive attempt to document this claim. It is an article by Timothy J. Dailey titled Homosexuality and Child Abuse. ”

So, even organizationally the right wing is prone to lie.

Rob

Robert,

I’ll go with the Creator. He created sex. His model is man and woman – heterosexual.

I don’t give money away indiscriminately anymore, thanks you very much !

If there actually was a person named Jesus he most likely was a homosexual and came from a homosexual family whose parents claimed not to have engaged in any hetersexual sex.

Lance appears to be a Heterophobe . . . probably can’t do much “recruiting” here Lance . . .

Lance – I realize that you are just trying to be provocative and inflammatory but, aside from that, what you said could not be possible, even if one were to take your statement seriously.

In the first place, God condemns homosexuality as an abomination. A sin. Sin is anything that goes against natural law.

Since Yeshua came from a lineage blessed and chosen by God, and was, Himself, without sin, your assertion has no meaning except to blapheme.

I see another foolish troll named Lance decided to show up. How much are you getting paid for posting such a diaper load of crap? There was and still is one called Jesus. If you don’t know that, then I suggest you get back to church and learn. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

From Kate: “God condemns homosexuality as an abomination. A sin. Sin is anything that goes against natural law.”

So? How was that last cheeseburger you ate? Creamed chipped beef? Killed any kids for mouthing off lately?

Lts of things are “sins” but most aren’t paid attention to. Your focus on gays is a hateful thing. Isn’t hate a sin? It should be.

Rob

Same old atheist rhetoric Rob. If it was wrong before, it’s wrong now. Why do you post such crap? Hate is not a sin, but what you do with that hate could be. If a muslim kills a Jew or Christian, due to hate from the Quaran, yes it is a sin. Killing is a sin. Someone steals, assults, rapes, etc., these are all sins. Being gay is also a sin. Speaking of hate, since you have so much of it, couldn’t be a sin in your case also? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Hey Robert,

Don’t get mad at Roadkill ! He’s just stateing facts !
You need to talk to God about it. You need Faith ! You need to read and believe the Bible !!

What’s in it for you ? Eternal life !!!

From simian: “You need to talk to God about it. ”

I don’t talk to invisible things that can’t be heard.

I guess you accept the voices in your head as real. I don’t unless I’m wearing headsets and I’m on a shoot.

Rob

Anyone ever notice whenever there’s an article about homosexuals Robert Smith shows up? Sorta like that Leno fellow in California who ONLY introduces gay-related legislation, as if nothing else matters. He’s the guy who wants textbooks that teach impressionable young children to brainwash them into adopting the homosexual lifestyle, which Gov.Moonbeam signed. I hope these textbooks include Jeffery Dahmer as one of their positive roll models.

Yes I know. He’s kind of like a dingleberry isn’t he? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Better be careful when you are calling Allah a brutal invisible (small g) god… there are a lot of it’s followers who may well take umbrage
when you disparage their very sick and insane belief system.

I frankly do not give a darn what adults do in the privacy of their
homes, but just in case you haven’t a clue, school is NOT a place
for social engineering.. it’s a place to learn things which will
allow the students to be taught things like English, Math, History
and the other skills necessary to make it in the world, and not
be out in the streets screaming for other people to pay for them.

THE SHADOW PROVES THE SUNSHINE……it’s funny how people always blame God when bad things happen. You seem to be forgetting that there is an evil one who comes to steal, kill, destroy, and decieve( that’s the fallen one satan in case you didn’t know). Those who have the spirit of God have no hate. God is Holy and righteous, and there is a special place in hell for homosexuals. They can choose……God loves them, but not what they do, and for that if there is no turning from those ways, then they will be judged. As will those who condone their actions. Society has lost it’s values of right and wrong. Jesus shows us what is right. WITHOUT GOD WE HAVE NO MORAL COMPASS!! IF YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE THING CALLED EVIL….THEN YOU CANNOT DENY, YOU CANNOT DENY, THAT THERE IS A GOOD THING ALSO,A LIGHT IN THE WORLD, THAT LIGHT IS GOD WHOM WE KNOW THE NATURE OF THROUGH HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. Bless you sir.

This coming from a “man” who calls a baby an acorn (Probably the group he supports.) and is an accomplace to murdering and torturing his own unborn child by abortion? The you also said you made E-6 in the navy in only 4 years time? That is impossible. Just ask my father and he’ll tell you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

There goes samurai lying again: “This coming from a “man” who calls a baby an acorn”

Never said that and I’ve corrected you several times before. Quit lying.

Never aborted anyone either. Quit lying about that.

Rob

Another lie from samurai: ” The you also said you made E-6 in the navy in only 4 years…”

Isn’t lying a sin? Your brutal christian god is gonna send you to that there christian hell for that whopper.

Rob

Bzzzzz, can’t lie your way out of this one. You have posted that you did 4 years with the navy, said you were an E6, said you were aboard the USS Intrepid, said you went in in 1946 then you said during Vietnam. You even posted that you supported you soon to be ex wife’s decision to abort the child she was going to have. If you look at the last thread about abortion (Last week or this week), you’ll see that other patriots backed up what I have said. I guess that it is hard to do anything when someone is keeping track of your lies. You never served and are nothing but an accomplace to torture and murder. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

No actual quotes from Samurai and I wasn’t born in 1946.

No comments EVER about any soon-to-be-xwife.

Post it or remain as the so obvious liar you are. It’s that simple.

Rob

First, learn to read. Second, I said you posted entering the navy in 1946, not that you were born then. Third, you have posted that you were divorced before and she was pregnant by you. You convinced her to go through with an abortion. Shows how inhumane you really are. Neeeeed to read and understand what is being said before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Another outright lie from samurai: “You convinced her to go through with an abortion. ”

No proof again. Sheesh samurai it would be so easy to go into the archives here, but there’s nothing to find that will support you lies.

My guess is that your brutal god doesn’t consider lying by his minions in his name to be a sin.

Rob

Rob, you whole moronic life and beliefs are nothing but lies. Just go away! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Wow, more cognition issue here, homorob. People having queer parades are “pushed down”? People going to work in school in drag are “pushed down”? People who use the courts to silence others opposed to their pathological and perverse lifestyle choice are “pushed down”? People who can freely recruit from among children, so that they may later sodomize them and have the support of the wholly corrupt (Hole-y corrupt?) school system, against the wishes of the majority, and the parents are “pushed down”? It is no wonder to me that you think that the lifestlye responsible for more terminal diseases than any other, is OK. It is also no suprise to me that you’d think taking a mustard stir stick out of another guys backside and popping it into you mouth is OK, even if your butt-buddy is diseased. You have no concept of rational thinking, reality nor survival skills. TGFA Thank God For AIDS. It’ll clean up the gene pool. Now get back to the school and see how many litle boys you can recruit to kill with you lifestyle choice. Ta-ta!

Another good post, but why don’t you answer the person Rob? Affraid to come into the light? For nothing can be hidden in the light. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

From right: “TGFA Thank God For AIDS. It’ll clean up the gene pool.”

How christian of you right.

Rob

That is a rather narrow view of two consenting adults who love and care for each other. Your description also occurs with some hetrosexual men and certain acts they have with some heterosexual women.
I also hesitate to take advice from someone who goes by “Roadkill”.

You are right. Wrong is wrong no matter who engages in the activity: heterosexual or homosexual. Two consenting males or females can express love for each other but to express it sexually is wrong. To say that love and sex is the same thing is wrong. Remember, two or more men having sex together can not produce children and neither can two or more women having sex together produce children. Homosexuality is anti-species and so is anyone who promotes homosexuality as viable alternative lifestyle.

Considering that the world is becoming over populated Chris that should be a non-issue.Considering that homosexuals and heterosexuals both want to adopt shows that they do want the human species to continue. Taking care of those on earth is a positive goal but those having large families are doing more harm than good. There was a women living in Uganda I read about in the paper who’s mother had 25 children.She also has 17 children and living in absolute poverty and can’t even send her kids to school. At the end of the interview she said she wanted more children. That is a much bigger problem than some homosexual not having any children. The species will always continue.

So couples who choose not to have children or people who choose not to mate are anti-species to you?

“Considering that the world is becoming over populated……”

The world has been becoming overpopulated for over 100 years and it hasn’t made it yet so your premis is a moot point.

Old arguement Doc that has been refuted many times on this site. Ed-duh if the world is becoming overpopulated to you, just talk to your buddies in the illuminati. They want to bring the earth’s population down to 500 million. Neeeeed for the both of you to stop drinking the kool aid. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

From Chris: “Remember, two or more men having sex together can not produce children and neither can two or more women having sex together produce children.”

So you don’t want to see any post-menopausal women married either…

What if a guy gets wounded in war and can’t have kids? Gonna deny him marriage too?

And priests must be the ultimate perversion. They can but decide NOT to have children.

Rob

Same old nonsense from the moronic one, Rob. That’s not what he is implying and you know it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Doc:

You can love others without having sex with them. Love of others is fine and good but homosexual sex is considered a crime by GOD, not by others. And you aren’t going to change God’s mind by argument or anything else. As a Christian you are supposed to condemn the sin which is exactly what we are doing. We are not condemning the sinner as such. Or at least most of us aren’t. I love children but I have absolutely no interest in having sex with all of them because I love them.

“homosexual sex is considered a crime by GOD, not by others”

“But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you.” – Leviticus 11:10

Considering you do not have the same conviction of an equal crime being committed at Red Lobster on a daily basis, I certainly assume you and others who have issues with homosexuality, only seek to use the bible to support your own prejudice. Keep picking and choosing hypocrite.

Absolutely no matter how the homo try to put a ribbon around it to make it look pretty it is in really a crime against God and Nature no doubt about it. The penalty for a crime of that nature will end up in death eventually either by aids, lack of procreation, and many other reasons. The worst part is not the only the scientific reasons why this lifestyle is bad for the immune system but the spiritual death that can result. To continue in this and die then face the Creator would be a horrible thing. God said do not fear the first death but to fear the 2nd death it is eternal damnation. This is not hate speech but a fact from God almighty in the Bible.

I do wonder why society in these later days is so hell bent on destruction? But I guess these things must come to pass before the judgement.

TML:

I am against ANY sin. It is the acceptance of sin or the deliberate act of sin that is wrong. I feel sorry for you.

@45

Why feel sorry for me? Because I am tolerant of other people’s “sin”? It isn’t my job to condemn people for their sexual preferences, anymore than it is to condemn them for what they eat.

Perhaps Christians should follow more in the footsteps of Jesus and not judge others.

TML,

The Council of Jerusalem forbids fornication among the Gentile believers – but the Gentile believers can eat “unclean” food…..

It’s recorded in the Book of Acts in the Bible…..

So if you want to go to Red Lobster that’s OK ! But if you DON’T want to go to RED LObster, that’s OK too ….That part of the Moses law pertained to the Jews –

But Fornication (that includes Homosexuality) is still a sin ….this commandment is universal and pertains to all people and nations ….

The Apostle Paul elaborates more on the causes of Homosexuality .. in the Book of Romans chapter 1. This is exactly what is happening in our society. It’s what happened in Sodom and Gomorrah. Read it and get some education …..you examine it ! I’m not saying anymore !

You shouldn’t be so lazy in studying ….

TLM.

“It contained all kinds of four footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, ‘Get up Peter, Kill and Eat.’ “Surley not, Lord!’ Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.” Then the voice spoke to him a second time. “Do Not call anything impure that God has made clean.’” Acts 10:12-15

So, you are Just as guilty of picking and choosing TML. God told Peter all food was ok for him to eat now. Paul also expressed similar thoughts.

Pete & Dennis

I could give hundreds of other examples of things people try to apologize away, but this isn’t a place for a formal religious debate… to which, I’ve had many, and I am well studied.

The point is, you have a pre-existing homophobia and seek to use the bible to justify your prejudice, rather than having a strong opinion against homosexuality because the bible says so.

You ignore the real values taught by the bible by judging others, as if you have no sin of your own.

TML:

You are TOLERANT of other peoples’ sins? Then why are you so against those who are not tolerant of those you are? You should be tolerant of everyone.

However, I have no problem with MOST gay people. They are gay on their own time at home. They don’t talk about it at work and I don’t talk about being straight at work. We talk about work.

It is the ones who insist that I MUST listen to them and I MUST agree that what they do is okay that I have problems with. I particularly have problems with them when they insist that I must change my religion for them. I don’t change my religion; God does. And until God Himself comes to me and tells me that He no longer considers gay sex a sin, I will continue to worship as God wishes me to do it. Sorry. If you don’t like it, too bad.

“The point is, you have a pre-existing homophobia…’

Wrong again. I do not have an irrational unreasonable fear of homosexuals (actualy homophobic means an irrational fear of mankind not homosexuals) I just do not approve of the practice of homosexuality.

@45

“Then why are you so against those who are not tolerant of those you are? You should be tolerant of everyone.”

I am tolerant of your prejudice… I’m not homosexual so it doesn’t bother me one way or the other, but I will be the devils advocate when people like you start preaching hell fire against those who, in your opinion, commit sin against God as if they have none themselves. The self-righteousness is a bit irritating.

It’s interesting to me that anytime this subject comes up, every evangelic on this site comes out of the woodwork to preach their hypocrisy and eternal damnation, while holding their “God hates fags” signs.

I do agree with you, however, that those who want to cram it in your face and expect you to accept it, or display it merely for the sake of displaying, are more than irritating. I just didn’t see this school play as such, since the primary theme had to do with various forms of discrimination. While you shouldn’t be forced to accept something as morally correct, we shouldn’t allow discrimination by mistreating those who are different, or engage in lifestyles we don’t necessarily agree with. I believe the school play had a good message in this instance.

Wrong answer TML. It is a sin in the eyes of God and not to be acceptable to we Christians. We are to be unwavering in our beliefs of the scriptures and all the teachings of Jesus. In my opinion, if a queer came up to Jesus and told him he’s a good Christian, but I’ll bet that Jesus would tell him, politely, that he cannot be considered a child of God till he gave up his sinful life. One of those sins is homosexuality. I guarantee that this might be something he would say. If you accept or encourage someone to sin, then you are guilty of the same sin also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

45 says: “I am against ANY sin. It is the acceptance of sin or the deliberate act of sin that is wrong.”

You should be all over samurai for his lies.

Rob

Here goes Rob again saying that I’m lying, but he never posts any sources or facts to prove me a liar. He doesn’t even say where I have lied. Neeeeed to look in the mirror and do an extensive self evaluation. Maybe you can have a doctor fill out a psychological evaluation on you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Again….can we just keep it CLEAN?!!!!!!!

If it bothers you and Karolyn so much, then just don’t read his posts. Let’s show some maturity here, OK? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Your pseudonym fits you!

ROADKILL puts out: “WHAT PART OF POOP ON A DICK ISN’T RIGHT…”

What part of worshiping a dead guy on a stick…

I think I’ll look for a little electric chair replica I can put on a chain around my neck. Wearing an execution device seems to be in fashion.

Rob

You could always use it on yourself and put yourself out of our misery. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

How christian of you samurai.

Rob

We do not need to look very hard, when two men want to F776 each other. We do have enough brains to figure out that is really not correct, but is really a mental disease. Me and a whole lot of others, are about to take you invisible rights away from you very soon. Please enjoy poop on a stick while you still have a stick to put it on. Creeps!

Pretty high on the homophobic meter.

Maybe the hatemonger has not yet had his coffee or his meds. The play showed a kiss – not a sex act. Get over it people. Gay people exist. What the headline implies is that if a handful of students walked out – a strong majority dealt with the play. Those handful of kids are probably the children of Personal Liberty readers.

Since they were showing two more shows it must have resonated to the majority who paid to see it. What is frightening is not the fact that there are homosexuals but how societies throughout history have done to eliminate them. I think those types of “humans” have a “Jewish” problem. In other words they think if they can eliminate people they hate life will be so much better for them.

James:

Sin of all types exists. Murderers kill people every day. You should find out just what acts happen in Somalia by the LRA sometime. Gay sex is simply another sin. And all sin is considered wrong by God. Your arguement can be used for any sin: “People are murdered every day so you shouldn’t get upset at those who do it.”

Silly arguement, isn’t it?

Doc, you wouldn’t know “homophobia if it jumped up and bit you.

James, the whole play was built around homosexuality being correct and hetrosexuality being wrong.

eddie, I believe the school said the next two productions would be put on no matter if people dissapproved of the theme.

TML:
Jesus doesn’t judge? Where on Earth did you get that idea? He IS the Judge! He most certainly does judge!

Jesus will accept anyone who turns to Him and accepts Him. But accepting Jesus also changes you to the point where you do NOT want to continue doing any sins that are wrong! And Jesus did NOT say the Old Testament is no longer valid! Jesus dies for our sins and can forgive sins IF the person comes to him with a contrite heart.

All of us sin, unfortunately, but those who truly follow him are upset when they accidently sin and immediately seek forgiveness. If they harm others they attempt to atone for it. Not because Jesus demands it but because they know that he would wish it.

But deliberately committing a sin is wrong – and not something that Jesus will willingly forgive as long as you feel that you can continue to do it. That is your choice. And if you do it, then you are turning away from Jesus and his forgiveness. If you were a true scholar of the Bible as you are trying to pretend to be, you would know this as well as what Dennis pointed out to you.

Doc, why don’t you and Robert take you ignorant observations and get lost. You obviously know nothing about the subject at hand. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

45 says: “Sin of all types exists…”

YES! In my humble opinion you should divert some of those brutal christians who are on their way to picket womens health clinics to McDonald’s. Ronald McDonald (not Reagan) is corrupting the children of America by selling cheesburgers.

Deuteronomy 14-16: Don’t Forget

Rob

A place that performs abortions are now called “women’s health clinics?” How can this be when abortion is not women’s healthcare, just population controll, eugenics, and muredr by a woman who is too immature to take responsibility for what she has done. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Put them in camps until we set up the means of disposal

It is a jewish problem the jews are pushing this homo sexual rights thing . The southern poverty law center and other jewish groups push this sort of thing .

jimmy – It is not a Jewish problem. It is a Zionist issue.

Scripture says, “Woe unto the wicked who call themselves Jews but are not”.

Zionist “Jews” are a creation of Rothschild and include most royalty and world elite. Their true origins are the Edomites…Islamic tribes…and except for despicable beings like George Soros, who turned against his own people out of greed, none of them have a drop of Jewish blood.

Robert why to you play the victim? It wont work. It is you people who are pushing this agenda upon us all and our children. This should not be. You people are the ones who are going viral and trying to indoctrinate the world in this very negative, self destructive condition. We want to protect ourselves and our kids from this. You and others do not have the right to promotes a negative sinful destructive lifestyle upon us all. What gives you that right? The homosexual lifestyle has never in the history of mankind ever been normal. Whenever certain places tried they they were destroyed like Sodom and Gomorah. Why do you think it is different today. There are people trying to resurrect Communism too and they think it is good but it has never worked either and never will.

I always say I’m not so much homophobic as homo bored. I am so secure in my own sexual orientation which is quite heterosexual that the fact that others have differing orientations bothers me not the least. It simply means that there are more women to go around between the rest of us straight guys. My attitude is-Do your thing but be cool with it. Keep it quiet and don’t insist that we HAVE to accept your neurotic hysterical psychological paradigm. Back in the closet, boys. My experience with gays us that a gay dude can be three times b**chier and hysterical than any woman ever thought of being.

I always say I’m not so much homophobic as homobored. I am so secure in my own sexual orientation which is quite heterosexual that the fact that others have differing orientations bothers me not in the least. I look at it simply as that means that there are more women to go around between the rest of us straight guys. My attitude is-Do your thing but be cool with it,don’t push it on the rest of us and insist we accept it. Back in the closet, boys

From Jack: “The homosexual lifestyle has never in the history of mankind ever been normal.”

World wide worshiping a dead guy on a stick is still the minority and thus not “normal” either.

But, I do see a lot of hateful christians around here pushing THEIR agenda.

Rob

Minority? Rob, there are more than 2 billion Christians world wide. His name is Jesus not dead guy on a stick. Talking about pushing beliefs on people, you definately have no room to talk, murderer. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Hate is not a family virtue? That’s true and I cannot deny that, but neither is immoral sexual behavior. I’ve never known any parent to permit immoral, unethical, or illegal actions and beliefs to be OK in their households. That must be why your parents kicked you out of the house, right? There is no greater hate than you have for pregnant women, their unborn children, and all that is decent and moral. You are nothing but hate and know nothing of the freedom that you preach about. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Hi samurai,

They don’t get much further right than Dick Chaney and I doubt you would call him un-christian. He has come around. He didn’t toss his gay daughter out but learned from her and he now approves of same sex merriage.

Check it out in his own words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5jefmsqBG8&feature=player_embedded#!

Rob

Actually, he doesn’t approve of same sex marriage. Of course he didn’t throw his daughter out. She made a mistake, but you don’t necessarily throw out your kids for making mistakes. Yours didn’t throw you out, now did they? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

For the truth about Dick says view: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5jefmsqBG8&feature=player_embedded#!

In his own words, not samurai’s.

Rob

rmg,
In case you haven’t noticed, our entire society is being inundated with sexual overtones to EVERYTHING. We’re being slowly led down a path that teaches ANYTHING sexual is just A-OK. How I would like to tell advertisers that “feminine hygiene” products being discussed in my living room (via TV) is just flat-out WRONG. How I long to tell Hollyweird that sex & foul language does NOT make a good movie. I can say much more on this topic……..but my overall question is this: if parents don’t have any participation in the decisions of what play shall be produced (& the content) WHY are the teachers still in positions of authority? Seems to me to be a firing offense. After all, “offense” is THEIR operating word for shutting the rest of us up.

Incidentally, the rainbow has & always will be God’s promise to never destroy the earth by flood again.

Val says: “Incidentally, the rainbow has & always will be God’s promise to never destroy the earth by flood again.”

Don’t you think it’s a brutal god that kills everyone with a flood? The animals too! What did they do wrong?

Actually it isn’t. It’s simple physics showing us the spectrum of our sunlight.

Rob

Actually 2 of every animal survived and the believers in God survived. Knock off the nonsense, murderer. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

mg says: “For the record, I believe in universal don’t ask don’t tell.”

Quite frankly I think all religion should be treated like a penus. I certainly don’t want you to show it to me and if you try to shove it down my kid’s throat there’s a high possibility of serious trouble.

Rob

I think the same should be said about the gay agenda, don’t you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Rmg, There is some sense to that. Leviticus 20:13 reads: “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” It logically follows that if this were done secretly, there would be no crime to prosecute. It states elsewhere “by the mouth of two or three witnesses shall a thing be established.” Thus if only one man witnessed a homosexual act in progress (such as was the case in Lawrence v. Texas) there could be no prosecution.

Glad to see you again, fellow patriot! Of course he is wrong, just not man enough to admit his mistakes and that he is lying. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I agree 100%!!

The article said some of the kids walked out and that “it was kind of a symbolic thing”. Bull, they walked out in total disgust when they saw the man/man kissing exibition. Don’t even begin to tell me is was just symbolic.

I saw the original article. It looks to me like it was organized by some right wing nut who wanted to USE the football players.

Rob

I made a point of discussing such things in the presence of my children when they were at a young age. My wife and I would discuss this at the supper table in most cases.

Luckily, when they got older, they were aware of not only what I considered right and wrong but WHY I considered things to be right or wrong. And they all decided that I was correct. They sometimes annoyed other students with their comments but they are confirmed conservatives from birth regardless of what their teachers tried to teach them in high school and college.

Good job 45 Calibur. I’ve rased my children about the same way since they were old enough to understand such things. They believe that such things and lifestyles are wrong. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Sadly you are right. A couple I know have three daughters. Mom can’t cook so the father and daughters do it, taking turns. One daughter (16) was complaining to her friends that her father was making her cook that night. A teacher heard part of it and decided the daughter was being mistreated by Dad. She called CPS. CPS showed up at the school and took the daughter. The school was forbidden from telling the parents who were terrified that their daughter had been kidnapped for three days. It was six months before the family could convince the CPS that the daughter was not being beaten or sexually mistreated (CPS’s first guess).

It’s a frackin’ play for goodness sake! People have to see things in real life that they may not like. I’m sure you would rather see them watching a play or movie about war; and it’s OK for them to play vile, violent and immoral video games too, right?

Wrong answer Karolyn. Remember, it is like you said, what kids see they tend to act out. Since this is true, ergo if they watch this “play”, then wouldn’t they also try acting this out also? Neeeeed to get your head out of the sand and take this for what it really is, an immoral push of immoral beliefs onto our children. This is part of their agenda to be accepted, but their queer lifestyle will never be accepted in this Christian nation. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai reminds us: ” Remember, it is like you said, what kids see they tend to act out.”

So, you are good with all the violence and crap in movies and video games?

How christian of you samurai. How’s that canabalism and those crusades going?

Rob

Wrong answer Rob! Actually, the only video or computer games we have here are educational and/or learning games. You know Jeapordy, Wheel of Fortune, and other mind stimulationg games. We also have a lot of family board games. I’ll bet we still have a monopoly game, do you? Movies? The movies they bring out these days are so bloody that we don’t go to watch them. The bloodiest movie, if you call it that, would be Patton. The moronic rants against God and Christians needs to stop as it only hurts your credibility. I guess this is what you get for answers for someone who hates Christians that don’t agree with him and an accomplace to his own child’s torture and murder. BTW, the last thread that I posted this fact, other patriots backed me up. I suggest you take a look. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai suggests: “I suggest you take a look.”

A look where? Those who will back you up if you tell them the earth is flat? ROFL…

Cite something specific or admit your lies.

Rob

I all you are going to do is call someone a liar, then stay off of the site. You bring nothing to any debate on this site except hate, lies, rhetoric, and innuendo. Look at the last thread about abortion. Libertytrain remembers you saying these things also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Again no facts or citations, just claims. Intellectually bankrupt.

Rob

Another lie from samurai. Notice that there no quotes, just a claim that his buddies will back him up.

samurai’s next step will be to insist / prove that I didn’t post anything that agrees with his lies.

samurai, it’s up to you to prove your claims. You can’t. You are lying.

Rob

There are so many lies you have posted on this site that it would take time to post them all. Some of us have a job you know, but I’ll remember the challenge that you have laid at my feet and post them all next time. This is a promise! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai says: “but I’ll remember the challenge that you have laid at my feet and post them all next time.”

ROFL… I’m not holding my breath. If you had anything it would already be posted. It’s clear you’ve lied and have nothing to back it up.

Isn’t lying a sin or has your god given hiss approval because you’ve already asked for forgiveness or bought a dispensation like some christians can buy a divorce even though the rules don’t allow it.

Rob

Just go away and stay away! Some of us don’t have the time you do to sit at the computer for hours on end. Believe me, I have evidence. Bob Livingston keeps good records of postings and what others have posted. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai claims: “Believe me, I have evidence.”

Really. I’m sure you are lying. Post your evidence or show your bankrupcy to the world.

Rob

Well said Carole. Well said and keep the good posts of yours coming. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Carole says: ” The state must give back attitudes about sex to the parents.”

And by your brutal christian god you’re gonna teach those kids to hate no matter what the schools teach.

You must be christian like samurai is.

BTW, I don’t consider hate to be a family value.

Rob

Bzzzzz wrong answer. It is the responsibility of the parents, not the schools, to teach kids about the birds and the bees. The government has no business sticking its nose into education. You say hate is not a family virtue? That’s kind of hypocritical coming from a person who only posts hate, lies, rhetoric, and innuendo. Neeeeed to look in the mirror more often. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

From samurai: “The government has no business sticking its nose into education.Z”

It sure does. I’d like to see ALL kids educated with facts, not garbage like abstinance. We all know how that worked out for Brystol.

Rob

Thank you for showing just how moronic you really are. How is abstinance garbage? I guess you believe in teenagers having sex and getting pregnant. This would keep you “buddies” at unplanned parenthood employed for awhile, now won’t it. No caring for our fellow man I see. Waste of skin. Brystol made a choice. She was not raped or forced to do anything, but made a choice. Though she made the choice, she decided not to have an abortion and is taking care of her child as an adult must do and not worry about their own lifestyle first. My hat is off to Brystol and the caring of her child, but not the decision to have sex and get pregnant. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai says about Brystol: “She was not raped or forced to do anything, but made a choice. ”

Yes, she certainly did and it WASN’T that there christian abstinance you seem to think everyone should obey. If Sarah can’t even convince her own kid why should MY kid listen to her or you?

There are so many better ways than abstinance. Abstinance is one path among many, including safer sex, self sex, and all sorts of things between. BTW, did you know that all you can get from phone sex is hearing aids?

Rob

Wrong answer! Though there are other ways of doing things, abstinance is still the only true way of safe sex. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

samurai claims: ” abstinance is still the only true way of safe sex.”

In an absolute religious world that you are are apparently a part of (sort of like an American taliban) you might(?) be correct.

But in reality Bryston Palun showed us abstinance doesn’t work.

Rob

And Robert, you don’t see any “hate” for the traditional values that most Americans carry in the focing of this on kids? And you don’t see any “hate” in forcing the military folks to bunk with guys who are there for one purpose, to stick it up the straight guys a$$. And you don’t find any hate in the homos telling pastors in several countries and now the US “shut up about God and do what the queers want you to”? Dude, you have some cognition issues. I’ll bet you’d hand your own little boy over to be sodomized just to appear PC. You should have you kids removed and be sterilized so that you can’t have any more. You’re not coherent enough to be a parent or supervise children.

From always right: “I’ll bet you’d hand your own little boy over to be sodomized just to appear PC.”

Didn’t Lott offer his daughters to the mob?

Seems to me that would be the brutal christian way, but NO I won’t hand over any of my kids for any reason.

Please quit lying about what I would and wouldn’t do.

Rob

BTW, that’s ““Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof,” (Gen. 19:8).

Yup, and he’s the one your brutal christian god wanted to save.

Rob

Wrong answer Rob! Lot did that to keep the people of the city away from the 2 angels that were at his house. The men wanted them and not his daughters. Shows how unnatural a lifestyle homos are. Good post Always Right. Except that posting something to Rob is a waste of times, as he never learns anything. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!