Saved the economy after 9-11? You couldn’t prove that by what happened to my business and many businesses in the city I was in.

“—except save our economy after 9-11. He also saved our country from what would surely have been a disastrous alternative in…you know…you leftist’s all-star, John “Kiss-me” Kerry, had he been elected. ”

Well if that the way you seen it, I question your vision.

The American people ruined the economy by the way they behaved after 9-11, 43 just took advantage of it and encouraged it like a lynch mob in performance of their duty. He became a war president, serving his deepest ambitions and Chaney’s lust for power and wealth without boundaries.

America needed Superior leadership,genuine words of comfort and resolution but we got Bubba’s playhouse, unbridled vengeance and no such thing a too big of a gun or not enough money. At least in the beginning and then it didn’t really matter anymore as long as the money flowed and there was talk of victory. 43 had a grand time and then bored with it like everything else that he’s done.

And the $800 tuilet seat was MADE IN CHINA

So are quite a few US Flags and apparel for US military uniforms. Boy are we screwed.

What people don’t understand is that some items, such as this toilet seat, have to be made to gvt. specs. for a specific job at a lower number of units to be built. Often these items are for the inside of cargo aircraft of submarines that have very special requirements. As anyone who has ever done a gvt. job will testify that the hardest part is adhearing to the mountains of paperwork required. There is an incredible ammount of waste on non-specific items that could be bought in bulk at Cosco.

@gunner689 – that *is* true. The mil spec for chocolate chip cookies is over 60 pages long…no lie.

The costs may not be all that unreasonable…the specs are, and more importantly, the idiot bureaucrat who we are wasting our taxes by paying his or her unjustified salary. We really should start over with the federal government: get rid of all but the constitutionally authorized functional areas of the federal government, then privatize all but the management portions of those functional areas. A privatized military would be so much more efficient.

Government operations never come close to approaching the efficiencies of the private sector. A (successful) private company would never put up with a 60+ page spec for a cookie. That idiot engineer would’ve been fired for wasting weeks of her time on designing a cookie, and writing a spec full of gibberish…not to mention wasting a ream of paper. And if her manager had scheduled that much time for such a project, he’d have been fired, too.

(I love to stuff political incorrectness up the dips-who-made-it-up’s nether-places…you know, some of the leftist-types posting on this blog.)

Correction. I meant= 200 years ago we were warned that this could happen.

YEP, that’s the way we are. BOHICA

dear rambo… you really need to get over your jealousy problem. I have the blessing of being at one time rich and another time poor, but blessed be the Lord Who establishes Himself in my life through both circumstances. Stop envying the people who are blessed to have more than you and get off of your hypocracy trip of self pity and go get a job, work hard and you will begin to appreciate hard working, successful people. There are crooks in every level of society… get used to it.. and put them all in the same cell.. that’s where equalazation of the wealth begin… punish people for their crimes, not their blessings….

You got it 100% pure right, Jul. Not only can jealousy and hate corrode one (eg: “rambo”) like acid, it can turn one crazy, as evidenced by…well, their comments on blogs.

So true. Hate can prevent us from thinking rationally. Money may be the ‘root of all evil’ per my Bible, but I think Jealousy is right up there with it. I know jealousy seems to be the ‘root’ of most dysfunctional families.

Oh, I forgot. I did get free shots for 3 years. Of course I was wearing a US Army uniform at the time. I was serving for your freedom to spout a bunch of garbage. I think we’re generally on the same side, Ronbo, but you have a mighty peculiar way of stating things. I might have a beer in the same room with you but not at the same table.

I have 2 degrees, both magna cum laude….and still can’t understand most of what Ronbo says. Is he making sense or am I asleep at my keyboard?

A certificate of live birth is not the same as a birth certificate. Check it out!!

“A certificate of live birth is not the same as a birth certificate. Check it out!!”

I have been screaming this from one end of the internet to the other. He is an illegal alien. Anyone living in Hawaii for a period of 1 year can get a COLB (Certificate of Live Birth) saying they were born in the US when they actually weren’t. His sister, Maya, has one too and she was born in Indonesia. But for all intents and purposes, she was “born” in Hawaii.

Additionally, the POTUS has used several SS numbers. The one he is now using does not pass eVerify. Google it and see for yourselves. For some reason the media won’t touch it with a 10 ft pole.

Also, the mere fact that his father was NOT a citizen of the US makes him ineligible to be president of the United States. According to the Constitution, BOTH PARENTS MUST BE NATURAL BORN CITIZENS OF THE US. His daddy was NOT.

Obama is ineligible and all laws he has passed are ILLEGAL. This includes Obamacare.

BTW, how are you all liking the new debit card fees? You can directly than your prez for that.

OH! here’s more for you. In case you haven’t heard, Obama has sent troops to Uganda

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Obama-TroopsAfrica/2011/10/14/id/414515

How many wars does that put us in now? I’ve lost count.

Tell it like it is Moonbeam!

January 24, 2011 Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate!

Clerk Tim Adams signs affidavit declaring long-form, hospital-generated document absent.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401

Birth “certificate”? His father was listed as coming from a country that didn’t exist, and big0 was born in a hospital that didn’t exist. So how is that legal? His parents did not meet the criteria required in the Constitutional law for his parentage and residential requirements. Also why does he have a Connecticut SS numaber…? Shall I go on?

Correct! And for the last three years, our judicial system has ignored the numerous requests to address the “issue”, and of course, the alphabet media won’t touch it with a ten-foot pole!

Neeeeed to get off of the kool aid. If this is true, then why is he paying millions of dollars to keep his past hidden from the people? Why have experts at the FBI and CIA confirmed that his birth certificate is a fake? Are these people lying? Another sheeple. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

They both must be American citizens. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

You are misinformed, Mike. Read the Constitution and see what it says about requirements for the office of POTUS. Obama is illegal. That’s it, that’s all.

He is an anti-American fraud.

you idiots have been watching to much FOX NEWS!!!!!

ME, you are so full of crap it is coming out of your ears. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

uh ronbo, uh we uh pay uh TAXES.A bunch of them. To be able to walk on the sidewalks. and drive on the roads and all them other things.

Your right… I have paid my own way and love it. What the government sjpplies should be limited to defending our freedom and the police and those in charge of taking care and defending our liberties. Public schools were in the beginning parochial school and meant for those who had needs and could not afford their own schooling. It was taking care of those less fortunate by the private industry. That’s where all monehy comes from… whoops.. sorry… today we pring paper money without a labor in exchange. So much for trying to reach pinheads.

You already posted this garbage once and each point was hammered down. Taxes pay for schools and other services. Most of us pay taxes, even all your targets’ parents when they were younguns. Let it go already. You sound like a broken record, assuming you’re old enough to understand that expression.

Ronbo most likely doesn’t pay any taxes cause his career is being a permant welfare recipatant.

First, stop repeating yourself. It makes you sound moronic. Second, everything you said was nonsense. Taxes pay for our education and many other things. Do you pay taxes or are you one of the many that receive unconstitutional welfare payments? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

“Do you pay taxes or are you one of the many that receive unconstitutional welfare payments?”

The second option obviously.

Hahaha…..All states should take a look at what Missouri did. They made a law that states that if u want ur welfare check, u have to pass a drug-test. Found it amazing that 70% of recipents did not pick up their check…and in turn, cancelled their eliblity for welfare. 70%…I think it is awesome. Their poor, innocent children weren’t seeing the money cuz of their parents drug habits.
FYI…Congress is a part-time job. A congressmen only works maybe 3 days a wk average. That’s y I love Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan. It will prevent congress from raising their pay, and there is no way to sneak in a “revenue increase”…a fancy way of tax increase.
And y not drug-test with background checks for ALL politicians….y not, when we apply for jobs….we have to pass a background check and drug-test. We pay those creepy politicians an overwhelming amt of money to screw us….and what they r doing, they have got to b on drugs. God bless everyone..and let’s not fight with each other. Let’s go after the real problem….our hired thugs in the White House.

True. Missiouri has had a lot of ‘firsts’. But it will never happen in any Democratic strong hold since thes are the kinds of people who vote for them. As for Bush haters,I’ve never met one who wasn’t a Democrat.

Both of you, well said! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Both Bushe’s were part of this progressivly taking over America for the one worlder’s,This coming election is the most “important” one ever, it will mean if we rise or fall…The ONLY thing that will save us is the “next” president a man who will follow our CONSTITUTION or do away with it..If you people think about it..that is the only thing that is “saving” us right now It is so engrained in the hearts of “most”American’s they so far haven’t been able to change it only indirectly,like the talk of Rubio being vice-president..I am sure he would make a good one,however his parents are from Cuba.

The first time I ever heard the words “New World Order” was when George H.W. Bush was President.

Stick around , it gets crazier then that around here.

It’s a witch hunt by degrees and seems to go all the way back to 1913 ~ so far.

That “W” enjoyed a majority Senate and Congress for several years is never mentioned however. To recent I suppose.

They are mad at just about everybody at this point, which they have in common with the 99ers. They are a part of the 99′ers , they just don’t know it yet.

One World Order been around many years ago. Back in the 1950s & 1060 is when I heard of it. Where have you been. This has been IN THE MAKING FOR DECADES. THEY JUST NEEDED SOME ONE THEY COULD USE AS A PUPET IN OBAMA. GUESS WHO ARE PULLING THE PUPET STRINGS???////// BILLIONIARS OF THE WORLD. OBAMA WAS JUST THE RIGHT PATSY & DUMB TO BE USED. THEY PROBABLY TOLD HIM THAT YOU DO WHAT WE SAY & YOU CAN SPAND ALL THE MONEY FROM THE TAX PAYERS DURING YOUR PRESIDENTCY & YOU WON’T HAVE TO WORRY THE REST OF YOU LIFE. WE WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU. THAT IS HOW IT WORKS. COMMUNISM. MAO DID IT THE SAME WAY TILL HE MADE IT TO THE TOP & PERSICUTED THE RACE. (CHINESE) HAVE FAMILY THAT LIVED THROUGH IT & STILL THERE. BETTER NOW, MORE FREEDOM. BUT RULED TO THE CORE. PEOPLE THANK GOD THAT YOU LIVE IN AMERICA & HOPE THAT IT STAYS FREE. YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT LIVING UNDER COMMUNISUM IS LIKE. BAD REALLY BAD CAN’T IMMAGINE WHATS IT LIKE TILL YOU LISTEN TO SOME ONE WHO LIVED THROUGH IT. WAKE UP AMERICA GET RID OF THOSE JOKERS THAT ARE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY YOUR GOD GIVEN RIGHTS.

Bob – you have it right. Your typical ‘Bush hater’ is so focused on the past, he’s oblivious to the present….the 5 scandals OB is involved in, the new illegal war in Africa (His 5th) his trips with 400 ‘friends’ to Spain, Africa, etc, his Cap & Trade regulations which will send even more companies to China, his refusal to enforce the borders & his suits against any states which do,the 15 or more ‘birth certificates’ which have popped up, all of which I understand appear doctored, out of numerical order or contain numerous SS#’s,(even tho his grandmother says he was born in Kenya!)the total sealing of all educational records, and course his Obamacare(passed by 219 Democrats in the middle of the night on a holiday weekend & supported 100% by AARP) which will destroy the best health care in the world, could include 25 million illegals given amnesty & will cost 75 million Americans their company medical insurance. I wonder if they know that thanks to Obamacare, you can’t sell your house (or buy one)until the EPA deems it ‘Green enough’ which could cost you a fortune. I suggest all ‘Bush haters’ move from the past to the present & wake up.

I got you ! Don’t look at that, look at this!

I’d rather look at and remember it all if you don’t mind.

However, I’m not so sure about your “scandals”, they are a little on the weak side as far as “scandals” go. I know opposition does what it can to make and market scandals with a lot of peoples help.

I say, it’s never a bad idea to look back and mark your path along the way, remember how you got there and who you rode with.

Conservative today , don’t want to talk about track record. It’s easy enough to understand why. But~ I for one, have no intentions of ever letting you forget.

But I do agree with you, unless it serves a purpose there is little need to bring it forward. You job is to not allow me to think that you forgotten and I won’t have to remind you all the time.

ANOTHER SCANDAL, G E MOVING TO CHINA. INVESTING 2 BILLION IN CHINA. WILL BE TRAINNING 65 ENGINEERS & CREATING 6 RESEARCH CENTERS. GE THAT MADE $ 5.1 BILLION IN THE US LAST YR. PD NO TAXES, THE SAME CO THAT EMPLOYS MORE PEOPLE OVER SEA THEN IN US. OBAMA APPOINTED GE CHAIRMAN JEFF IMMELT TO LEAD THE COMMISSION ON THE JOB CREATION. (JOB CZAR) IMMELT IS SUPPOSED TO CREAT JOBS HERE IN US. PRESIDENT FOR GOT TO TELL HIM WHICH COUNTRY HE WAS TO CRESTE THOSE JOBS. IT SHOWS LAD OF LEADERSHIP OF OBAMA. I DON’T KNOW WHAT DOES.
SHOWS WHERE HIS THINKING IS. ALL CO GET OUT OF US SO IT FAIL & PEOPLE JOBLESS & EASIER TO CONTROL UNDER THE GOVERNMENT CONTROL.
YOU GOT TO KNOW HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED. THEY NEED TO TAKE DOWN THE US TO CONTROL IT. WAKE UP AMERICAN CITIZENS. WE WILL ALL BE UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE GOVERNMENT IS WE DON’T GET THESE PEOPLE (JERKS) OUT ON THEIR A…….. OUR FREEDOM IS AT STAKE

Obama has rolled upmore debt in 3.5 years than GWB did in eight years

hmm? off the books or on the books? It seems Georgie like to keep war cost off the ledger and in a set of books all it’s own. He left office with a lot of things undone, lawn needed mowing, trash hauled off and a big stack of bills unpaid.

But if you say that often enough ~ somebody “will” believe you!

“A lie can go around the world three times before the truth has time to get on it’s shoes.” M.Twain

Obama has spent more in his first term, so far, that all previous presidents combined…must be nice to have the Fed bankrolling every idiotic idea he has…but it does help with his over all mission to destroy America…

See what I mean? ~ You really believe that! While “O” has spent a lot of loot, I see no reason to embellish the amount. It undermines your argument.

If 43 had made it a third term he’d had to let go of some cash too or suffer great humiliation from failed economic polices.

By Oct of 2008 the wheels were coming off his little wagon as he had to bail out Wall Street, marked the first of many other bail outs to come to avoid institution failures and business interest that were considered simply ‘Too Big to Fail’.

We were on the rocks when “O” came aboard and took command. Funny how you want to forget that.

I find it odd that people want some results yet don’t expect to grease the wheels to make it happen.

I would have enjoyed seeing “O” allowing the states to deal with their own short fall in their own way myself. But “O” would not escaped harsh criticism even if he had.

People in the states would have complained, “Why isn’t the Fed helping us?” “That do nothing Obama don’t care about us!” Only a fool would vote for this nut! He don’t know nothing about business or the economy. (while in September of 2008 Mc Cain was telling the nation that the US economy was “fundamentally” sound.) Like he knew something!

Then we have the likes of Governor Dick Perry, claiming to refuse Federal Bail-out money one minute and then crying to the CDC for help the next day. I don’t think Dick Perry knows $hit from $hoe Polish myself. He’s a mouth at the end of a long gut.

“Oct of 2008 the wheels were coming off his little wagon……”

Under obama not only did the wheels finish falling off they rolled down the mountain and left us sitting dead in the road in a useless wagon.

Such a long and uninformed rant, not even worthy of a response. Much be seeing Obama bin Laden in a Chicago club. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

“not even worthy of a response.”

Right! you have none because the effort is to large to consider for such a lazy mind. You would have to invent something!

And right again! the wheels did almost come off. But if they had, we would be all talking about something very different today.

I’m not convinced that we should have stopped all these “failures” myself. But the effects would have been world wide and long lasting for some. This unknown seem too much to contemplate for leadership the world over.

The first bail-out under 43 was a mistake in my opinion much like his wars, completely unnecessary. ~ But once committed with such large funding and resources, the investment is made, America was committed to protect this investment made by Bush or fold and take the loss.

If 44 had folded and took the loss, refusing anymore bail-outs, Americans would have never forgiven him and always second guessed his leadership and what might have been, ‘if only’.

If he had brought all our troops home without concerns for honorable disengagement, commitments,broken promises and final conclusion, he’d been disgraced, tared and feathered and ran out of town. The military and hawks would had hated him more then they already do.

“O” went into office holding a very bad hand and I’m amazed he’s made it this far without a major setback or blunder of the highest order.

Like him, don’t like him that’s all up to you, I don’t see that your opinion matter anymore then I did when 43 got us rolling in a very wrong direction and create this debacle. If I remember correctly I was called unAmerican, unChristian, a coward and a pu$$y for opposing the wars,the Home Land Security Act and the Presidents gallant views on how to administer to the people business.

It’s history now, but we are still reeling from the effect of bad judgment of a failed administration. I didn’t like him at all and it doesn’t concern me that you don’t like Obama. But what does concern me is the dead lock political forces are in today.

If Obama can’t get the job done and get us moving off center, I will be looking for someone that can.

So you might say that you win but you’d be wise to offer me an option.

“The first bail-out under 43 was a mistake in my opinion much like his wars, completely unnecessary.”

You place all the blame on Bush but the fact is the bailouts never would have happened without major support from democrats including obama for the democrats had total control of the house and senate at the time.

Bush, baaaaa! Cheney, baaaaa! The rich, baaaaa! Chaaaaange! My, my, my, I swear you sheeple never change being lead by the nose. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

P.S. Good post Denise. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot!

“You place all the blame on Bush but the fact is the bailouts never would have happened without major support from democrats”

No need to embellish, I do not place all the blame on “W” or any one person. I never have, you confuse me with another. There is many that do.

It was his whole administration and their ‘enforcers’ and spineless congresspersons on both side of the isle. “W” was poorly served by a council of boot lickers and yes men. You had to wear a brown spot on your nose to work for Chaney and Bush or you just didn’t fit in. And many didn’t.

It is what it is.

He did. He even threw up on the table. Bush held hands with the saudis. Wasn’t that appropriate?

If you don’t like living in a society (and paying the price for it) move back to the South where they have the highest levels of religious faith (along with the highest STD rate, highest unwed pregnancy, highest school drop out and highest level of welfare).

Don’t forget…. they also have the highest number of blacks and Mexicans.

We also own the most firearms and ammo. C’mon down boys. Set a spell.

We also have more Injun, meaner vegetation, and prettier women of all colors too!

What the F*** is that supposed to mean? “…they have the highest number of blacks and mexicans”. Sounds like something an ignorant and backward hillbilly would say.

What’s the matter moonbeam…demographics bother you?

Ronbo, in this age of Political Correctness, it is perfectly acceptable to malign the “south”, and to accuse all southern people of the list of things in your rant. Of course, the fact that the South is about half Black, and that it is the Black portion of the population that has the 70% illegimate birth rate, the huge criminal/imprisonment rate, the single-mom rate, the school drop-out rate, the welfare rate, and all the other negatives is never reported in the statistics. THAT would be racist! But those Southern people who are hard-working law-abiding citizens are the real victims of Political Correctness and of a culture in the last stages of corruption. Get your facts straight before you yell so accusingly.

Thank You Choate !! I am a southern family but was born a Yankee. I am getting so tired of these rants against people who are “thinking” people for themselves and not bought off by these radicals who seem to be just talking thru their hats.
You, Choate, have put down in words what we have been thinking and just couldnt bring ourselves to get on these “rants” with these radical thinking people.
Thanks for the good post you made here.

Check out this website on statistics:
http://www.vdare.com/articles/mapping-the-unmentionable-race-and-crime

So true, and you’ll never see this mentioned in the government controlled politically correct media in most of the USA.

The south also has the highest rates of domestic violence, assault and rape.

Karolyn it’s so terrible here in the South you ought to move yourself back to jersey…. You’d feel much safer back on your own turf.

Yes, it does, thanks largely to the black population.

We do live a little harder and faster here in the south, even still it’s not fast enough for some.

Live hard , die young and leave a pretty corpse. When you can’t eat a good steak, drink old whiskey, smoke fine cigars and love on a loving woman what else do you want to do? Write a book? maybe but what else? Keep a record of your bowel movements? Lay Ambush for the postman? Watch reruns of “Walton’s Mountain” or Andy Griffin and Aunt B?

Before my grandfather died, he make each grandson an Ox yoke. Small ones for very tiny oxen. ~ No ! They was a symbol of marriage, to be yoked to another and pull the load.

My family were oxen people, people of the dirt. They came to Texas by way of Illinois as fast as an oxen walks, burying the dead along the way.

Hotter climates makes people move faster and be smallest.

Well, I know the “South” has the best food I have ever eaten. Plus the fact the “Southerners” are some of the nicest people I have met in the U.S. I do not live in the South, but I have plenty of friends and a few relatives that do. I met many many nice people when I traveled South to show my dogs. The Southerners would congratulate me when my dogs won. In the Northern states, they get madder than heck. I will tell you this–the Southern friends that I acquired through showing my dogs would give me the shirt off their backs if I ever needed help in any way, and I would do the same for them.

liberty – What’s so terrible about South Carolina is what the “good ole boys” form of government has done to keep it in the dark ages. All those stats I posted are due to lack of education. My friend just moved back to Georgia from here, and her kids are struggling to keep. I can’t afford to move back to Jersey, so I’ll settle for northern NC maybe next year.

lots of folks you won’t like in Northern North Carolina either…. poor thing… and bring money unless you’re really going rural. SC is far less expensive – which I gather is why you moved there — more bang for the buck. Too bad you have to put up with all that there ignorance. Don’t have any of that up in Jersey….

liberty – Did you not notice I pointed the finger at the government? Isn’t that what we complain about here? I have had no problems with the people here and love the friendliness and have met some wonderful people. It’s the republican government I have a problem with, and not just them but also some of the local governments and the “old money” in the rural counties that want to keep the common man down not wanting any businesses to move in that will pay more than what they are used to. It is a well known fact. Another problem is the apathy and lack of motivation by the people. My friend pays $10 per hour for housecleaning and yardwork. That is unheard of here, but she still had a hard time getting anyone willing to work. Yes, it does come down to ignorance.

ignorance is not just located in SC, your story is heard many places, and yet there are people who would do the work… they just hadn’t met up with the job. I know plenty that wouldn’t be caught dead cleaning and many that can’t imagine not being willing to clean someone’s home… Chicago Politics, SC Politics, what’s the difference -

My Sweetheart is from Arkansas, she has been a corporate office manager and they have asked her to come back, but she would rather clean houses. She’s by no means slow or simple minded just because she now prefers low tech work.

She is tiny, 5,4 and wears a size #1 and goes like a house a fire. This brings in more money in less time then any job she could work for. There is no government involvement.

She has time to take on more work if she wishes and enjoys quality personal time. Like myself, she runs her own railroad and keeps a honed professional edge.

There is nothing dishonorable about honest work regardless what it is. There are many nitch markets in the service industry for people that are willing to work and can work without supervision. Don’t work hard, work smart and sale yourself. Know your profession extremely well.

Find a need and fill it. Do it better then your competition and give your customers more then what they thought they bought. Raise the value of your work and sale high. Never be afraid to lose a customer over price. If you do, you didn’t need them to start with.

Many people today simply can’t afford what they want, learn to recognize them quickly and how to deal with them in a professional manner.

Never expect to fly with turkeys and soar with the eagles. If you work with turkeys you become a turkey too. When you work for yourself, you can pick and choose what you do and who you are doing it for.

Bob – nicely said.

Yes…why not relocate to New Jersey….really safe here…especially Montclair, Newark,Paterson, Camden, Passaic, Jersey City, etc. Welcome home!

So true. Bush had one legitimate war, aproved of by congress & countless alies….OB is now in his 5th illegal war with no approval from anyone. Also, when Bush left, the unemployment rate was 5.6%, it is now well over 9.1% except among black youths where it is 22%. When Bush left the debt was about 1 trillion, it is now 18 trillion.Can’t blame Bush for that. But all of these Bush haters are democrats which to quote Mike Savage, have a ‘mental disorder’.

Hmmm. You’ve “never been given anything”? So I guess you didn’t attend a public school. Obviously, you didn’t get scholarships or grants. Haven’t walked on a public sidewalk. No streets, roads or highways, either. You are obviously healthy – no disease immunizations for scarlet fever or polio or the thousands of childhood immunizations. I guess you don’t use the police, or emergency services or even the fire department.

You had a wonderland childhood. Floating around and healthy – living off your parents for free. Ooops – did you take out a loan as an infant and make payments to your parents?

Not so independent, are you?

This is actually meant for Sean Murrey in ILLnoiis. The anti-social gentleman who has leached off his parents and uses public services right and left. But, HE has never been given anything.

As did his parents, he paid for all you are harping on by being a productive member of society and paying his taxes. And what broken household did you crawl out of you worthless piece of c***. Get off this site you do not belong here. In fact, you don’t belong in the USA.

OK, I apologize Ronbo. Please be more specific in your postings, you definitely gave the wrong perception of yourself.

That’s a parents duty to raise their children in order to make them responsible adults. If they don’t want the responsibility of child rearing, don’t have children. You obviously like to go to the extreme, so try this on for size. My first job came at the age of twelve, a paper route and mowing neighbors yards,edging,hedge trimming etc.. I’ve paid for every hour of college credits that I took by myself through working for it. As far as my health goes I’ve been blessed, I don’t get sick, no diseases. I take care of myself so as there is no need for any type of police or any other emergency services. Plan ahead, just like the boy scouts or the U. S. Armed Forces be prepared for the worst, but pray for the best. THINK ABOUT IT.

“…….so as there is no need for any type of police or any other emergency services.”

And if you did need them as a working American you have paid for them thru your taxes.

I receive those benefits, but they aren’t given. I pay sales tax, state and federal income tax, capital gains tax, surtaxes on my utilities, and property tax.

That stuff wasn’t free.

Idiot!

Idiot, As several people have commented before me the things that people take for granted like Education (Grade school (k-12), Streets, Police, Hospitals, etc. are not free they are paid through our taxes. As to College, I paid mine through work and through my GI Bill (for which I earned by serving this Great Country).

The government doesn’t belong in education. Education should be required but privatized. The Libs are creating zombie followers by teaching that liberalism is good and any other way is evil or stupid, thus producing spoon fed MORONS that cannot think on their own. Why on earth should it cost $15000.00 per student per year???? I graduated in a class of 900 with 3 other classes in the same High School meaning 3600 students X $15,000 = $54,000,000 THATS $54 MILLION for 1 stinking school. Give me my voucher for 1/2 per student and I will send my 2 girls to private school, with higher standards, no police required, for $7000 for both. I would give the school an eatra $3000 to help the teachers and still pocket $4000 leaving the Govrnment $15,000 richer! Pay teachers a resonable salary, BUST THE DAM–d Unions, and give the teachers a REASONABLE retirement comparable to private sector jobs

My comment was for Ronbo.

“GIVEN”? Are you kidding? The people you slam for “taking” those things paid taxes upon taxes to pay for them. The Big Brother Nanny State didn’t just conjure them up out of thin air.

Get your Leftist BS straight before you slam someone else. No wonder the Leftist Democrat Party uses a Jackass as a symbol.

You pinned the tail on that donkey. Kudos

No, I was not “given sidewalks to walk on or Schools to learn at” my parents and other hard working American PAID for all of that by keeping a job and paying taxes unlike the 47% freeloading bums that I work to support because they are too stupid and lazy to pay their own way.

You probably are to stupid to realize that people who work paid for the schools and everything else that the government doles out after they take off what they think they can graft and give away to third world countries who have never given any thing except problems.
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Ridiculous. Not was was said.

Ronbo, a lot of the the things you bring up in your rebuttal, are funded by the taxes we pay,so your argument loses steam once you realize that!

“Hmmm. You’ve “never been given anything”? So I guess you didn’t attend a public school. Obviously, you didn’t get scholarships or grants. Haven’t walked on a public sidewalk. No streets, roads or highways, either.”

Paid for 10 times over by rapacious wasteful taxation…or are you one of those fools who thinks the government actually “gives us things”? Guess what “Ronbo”…the government never gave anyone anything it didn’t steal from someone else.

Surfer would fall into the category of “stolen from”…that’s what happens when you are one of the, 6 in 10 productive people of the nation…you get robbed.

You’re WRONG JC!.. The G’ment DOES give things away for free.. For instance in the 1970′s they gave everybody (rich and poor alike) free inoculations for the dreaded swine flu.. Then within the year AIDS came out.. Further, now their mandating another inoculation to our helpless daughters (without OUR permission) Bottom line.. sterilize the female and control the population, don’t fret over the more dangerous side effects of these inoculations, call it, “crowd control”.. So my dear JC, don’t think the g’ment never gave us anything for free.. Just look at the big pharma.. The FDA overlooked the dangers these criminals pump down our gullets on a daily basis (even going so far as to warn us of even more serious side-effects and potential diseases if we take them (talk about a butt-covered disclaimer).. I’m not saying America is doing this to us, I’m saying unscrupulous criminals are and they own the rights (took ‘um right out of the constitution and rewarded the idiots we pay through taxes who created those ‘gray’ areas) BAH!!

kantstanja says:
“You’re WRONG JC!.. The G’ment DOES give things away for free.. ”

Actually JC is not wrong. Since everyone working in government gets paid that money comes from somebody. That sombody includes taxpayers.

You may THINK it is free because you did not exchange something for the item the government handed over to you but it is most certainly NOT free.

Philosophically speaking you did hand over something. More of your essential liberties.

As a former law enforcement officer your comment about things being free was asinine.We all pay taxes so we all pay for the so-called free education and public servants.Some of us pay more than others depending on where you live.Nothing is free.

Someone once said the only free thing in life is that little piece of cheese in the mousetrap…….SNAP!!!!!…..gotcha! To all who post here beware the invasion of the zombies coming to a town near you.

FYI it’s the parents obligation to take care of their children of course the unproducers of this country thinks that’s the government job with our TAXES. Nothing is free we the producers are been taxes to our eyes balls. My school taxes going up every year. My neighbors has been paying school taxes for 15 years and never had children. The corruptin is so big in the country that make me sick.

i guess you really took to your public education, you’re still as ignorant as the day you were born public schools are not given to us we pay taxes to pay for them

I think you are a little confused Ronbo. Basic infrastructure is bought and paid for from our taxes. They aren’t given to us. Things we can provide for ourselves we prefer to do. Such as housing, healthcare, transportation, childcar, and most things that do not fall into the catagory of basic infrastructure.
Along with freedom comes responibility. When you conceive a child you have obligated yourself to give this carrier of your genes the best likelyhood of a happy successful life as he is obligated to the next generation. This is no gift that you are given. It is an obligation being carried out by the parents.

Stan writes:
“Things we can provide for ourselves we prefer to do.” Since we can provide for ourselves education (And the smart parents do), I would say that your assertion is a little too narrow.

Ooops – did you take out a loan as an infant and make payments to your parents?

Not so independent, are you?

In answer to your first question, I apparently DID take out a loan because I repaid them in their older years, AS WELL AS my grandparents that I was fortunate to have known. I helped take care of them, as it should be. And, to answer your second question, I am independent as far as my freedoms being intact. However, I depend of people and things every minute of every hour of every day. I also depend on my God in Heaven to listen to my prayers, not necessarily answer all of them.

You could also easily argue that all producers in this society have been saddled with a huge loan from birth to the government payable in taxes to pay for all the zombie programs and freebies and the subsequent infrastructure created by this insanity. I literally want puke when I see these ungrateful mobs protesting us producers. The era of dependency is coming to a close; they sense this and are in a great amount of fear about it. They have to know this madness is unsustainable and will soon collapse under its own weight yet they demand and insist Wall Street is to blame and the nanny state must do something about it. They are in for a rude awakening.

The things you listed in regards to what the lady said about never getting anything for free are ludicris. All the things you mentioned are paid for by our taxes. The lady worked as did her parents before her and they all paid taxes. Every one of the things you listed are paid for with tax. Since she and her family worked and paid taxes for who knows how many years, none of hose items were free to her. She worked to pay for them. Assuming that you have a job and pay your taxes, those things are not free to you or any other tax paying citizen. I don’t understand why you would even write what you did. It was outrageious and pety. It served no purpose especially since you were wrong.

I love your reply Ronbo.. You forgot to add, If they live long enough to become Social Security age. I just know that the holy rollers/holier than thou is not going to except that hand-out GOVERNMENT CHECK!!

Hi June….God always tells us, my husband and I, that “I, God, am in control of all things in the matters of man”. Just keep looking up and keep trusting in God. He, God, will always protect His children…..He promised us and God is not able to break His promises….for God is love! May God continue to bless u and I’ll see u in heaven….

Ur sister in Christ, Kerrie Luden-Ziegelhoefer

Amen Kerrie, God is in charge and thank for sharing that comment.

Please remember that those 70 communist members of Congress were voted in by other communist. We have to get rid to them first! They just keep voting them back into office, time and time again. The members of Congress are doing what their constituents want them to do. Take MY money and GIVE it to them!

I’d like to connect with you, I believe we share the same idea’s and the same direction we as freedom loving American (real) should take.

Why should the average tax paying American have to work for the first 6 months just to pay for welfare programs and handouts to foreign nationals, never authorized by our Constitution? You’re not entitled to anything you don’t eran. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

I read what you say here and can only shake my head. Do an hour’s worth of research on your own. Do it for your country. Do it for yourself. You’re being played.

http://www.mainstreet.com/article/moneyinvesting/taxes/where-does-your-tax-money-really-go

“Just more than 26% of your federal tax money is allocated for national defense, including military salaries and equipment costs, making it the single biggest slice of the pie”.

“To use real numbers, a married couple earning $80,000 with two children, for example, would pay roughly $3,863 in federal income taxes, $1,015 of which would go toward national defense funds, while $938 would go toward health programs and $846 would be allocated for job and family security programs.

Aside from these programs, consumers have significantly smaller percentages of their money directed toward other programs like education (4.8%), veterans’ benefits (4.1%) and NASA ventures (1.2%). An even smaller fraction (0.4%) of our funds is directed toward the government’s response to natural disasters. So again, in real numbers, that means the family above contributes $46 to space programs and just $15 to make sure the government has the funds to rescue them if their town is ravaged by a major storm.”

Foreign aid is less than 1%. The wars are making you poor. It wasn’t the government that crashed the economy. It wasn’t the government that outsourced your job overseas.

If upper-middle and middle-class families had maintained their 1980 share of American productivity, they would make an average of $12,500 more per year. The size of our economy has quintupled since 1980. We all contributed to that success. But our contributions have earned us very little. Almost all the gains went to the richest 1%. This upward redistribution of wealth means a trillion extra dollars every year for the richest 1%. The poor didn’t take your money. The rich did.

And just to add to that a little…
Our “money” is devalued daily by the Federal Reserve, which is not Federal and has no Reserves. And thoseCorporations that moved overseas did so because of the hostile tax regime that collects for…
yep! you guessed it…the Federal Reserve. They own our government. they’ve got us coming and going and they are the ones who have to Go!

“It wasn’t the government that crashed the economy.”

Ah, but it was. The feds crashed the economy by insisting banks make what amounted to un collectable loans. When those loans were defaulted and became uncollectable that is what started the economic troubles.

I appreciate you breaking down where the money does, but the facts remain that up to 50% of our budget is spent on unconstitutional programs. That was the point I was trying to make. Ergo, since the rich are not participating on these programs, they are not taking my money. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Buster the Anatolian–Do you have an Anatolian?

harry, figures dont lie but liars often figure as you have proven

Claire, I wondered how long it would take for someone to recognize that. I have a dog that my daughter, a vet, gave me. She said he was one but did not have papers or anything. She works with a humane group that does mobile spay and neuter clinics along with other things. She got him at one of the clinics.

Buster the Anatolian: I applaud any person that takes in dogs and cares for them. I did that in the 90s but now have too many of my own to care for. I have seen Anatolians at the dogs shows. They appear to be very nice dogs. It is great your daughter is a vet. You must be very proud of her. My vets are good, and the vets at the Univ. of Illinois are awesome. I oftentimes think that should I become ill, I will go to the small animal clinic at the U of I. LOL!! I have German Shorthaired Pointers.

Claire, All of my dogs and cats are rescue animals of one kind or another. The cats are strays I have taken in and had spayed or neutered. One dog (golden retriever-pyranese mix) showed up at the house having apparently either fallen or been thrown from a vehicle. We got her doctored up and were not about to give her up after spending all that money on her. Then there is her companion the anatolian and we have a small dog. Best guess says he is what I call a doodle (Doxi-poodle mix) My daughter also got him for us from a shelter that was sponsoring one of her clinics.

Absolutely right. We sure could use another Reagan right now. Reading some of his speeches is uplifting.

I’ll agree to the great things you listed that RR did and thier benefits and to the reality that he was the finest most inspirational speakers this country ever heard (at least in my lifetime). He had very deep and accurate knowledge of scripture and inspired me with a book he wrote. He also took my taxes and gave them to my employer to build another factory in a third world country to benefit the investing class. Every sleazy politician we’ve put in the whitehouse since sleazy ron reagan has done the same. Now we are a country of people who have no producers left to support them. From least to greatest the three sectors that can add to productivity are growing and processing food, harvesting and processing natural resources, and engineering and manufacturing commercial goods (not military as that is tax supported). All other sectors are parasitic ECONOMICALLY, most are necessary and many are not but produce large increases in efficiency. We need to keep these sectors around but they can’t and will never be able to bring home the bacon. If you remember the same days I do when growing up (50′, 60′s) you know that every mine, mill and factory had whole towns that sprung up around them to provide (parasitic but necessary) services to the producers and in those towns, everyone was well aware that their livelihood was derived from and dependant on those producers. We have allowed the dirty demonicrat poli’s to attack the resource sector for forty years and the sleazy republicans to attack the manufacturing sector for over 30. All we have left now is a farm sector which is largely filled with illegal mexican help to drive prices and ultimately wages down (if a head of lettuce costs 3 bucks a head to put in the store using American farm help, the unmanipulated value of a head of lettuce is 3 bucks.) We need to maintain a vigilant eye on our legislative and exectutive branches to ensure that this doesn’t happen again but first we need two new politcal parties (it wouldn’t matter if it were the tea party and the pot party as long as both respect the constitution and the American people) because the two we have are both working for someone who would like to see the total failure of this great land in order to further thier not so secret anymore, “secret plan” of one world government. If we could institute import tarriffs soon enough to make the interest payment on the national debt, cut gov’t spending to one half or less and let free enterprise do what it does best, and that is make money, we might be able to stymie the plans of the globalists and save our most blessed of countries. Import tarriffs will start a trade war, yes and I think we could still win and I’m deeply convinced that it is time to fight.

And Bless you too.

I hope you realize that you are lying your socks off. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!