Karolyn, I know it is impossible for you…heaven knows DaveH has tried on several occasions, but pull the blinders off woman. The global protesters are one and the same as the protesters here in America fueled by the same “group think” that life “isn’t fair”, “Workers Unite” and other communist and socialist mind set with many uneducated, well-meaning, sympathizers like yourself thrown into the mix. One can only be thankful that it hasn’t escalated to violence here…yet. Do a little research and find out who is really “fueling the fire”! It isn’t Christians and freedom-loving capitalists!

I understand what you are saying Song, but I don’t think it will get Karolyn to change her mind. She is very stuck in her ways. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

As are you, Sanurai. Don’t you get it? What would this world be like if we all had the same viewpoint? In essence, everyone is right, given his perspective and what he knows. Of course, hopefully, people change as they continue to grow. Unfortunately, some people don’t grow and change.

I’ll agree with you that some people don’t change Karolyn. You talk about us all thinking the same way? That would be total population assimilation. I remember something like that coming from a show called Star Trek, The Next Generation. They had a group of people called the Borg and they were always saying,”Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. You wil become part of the collective.” You could hear everyone’s thoughts and knew what everyone was doing 24 hours a day. They also were required to think the same thoughts. Sounds almost Stalinistic or Hitlerish to me. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Song – If you weren’t so condescending, you might just gain a little more headway with your arguments. That approach alone predisposes one to want to argue. Much as you might look at me as “uneducated” or “stupid,” I am not. I just come from a different point of view, and I am allowed that and should not have to be subjected to someone lording it over me because I don’t think like they do. As I pointed out in my response to Samurai, what kind of world would we have if we all thought the same? Pretty boring, don’t you think? Well, it might be perfect, but who wants that? Rather than argue, we all would be better off finding common ground, which it appears not too many are willing to do.

This is what I’ve been trying to get across for the past few days here on PLD. This is not just about hippies, welfare recipients, unions, teachers, creeps and homeless people, etc. The diversity is what is so cool about it.

I went to a WS rally yesterday and the crowd was diversified. The guy next to me was anti-union yet was extremely unhappy with the Banksters. It takes all kinds.

The blame for much of what is going on in our economy certainly does need to be placed where it belongs – on those whose creed is MONEY and POWER.

Karolyn: I will have to agree with you.

karolyn and claire: there are always excuses for personal failures. Are there problems with corruption? Is life not fair? Yes, and yes from the beginning of time. What makes the difference? Personal attitude. Even in the German death camps, there were survivors…maybe you should read what it takes to survive something like the holocaust.

song– I know all about surviving. And I am fully aware of the holocaust. Perhaps you should read a book on manners and learn how to be cordial to people instead of coming across like a smart a—. If you are not happy with my posts, then don’t read them.

You got it Momma bear, ~ that’s the way most all women think and some men too except for the “emotion first” part.

Some men are less inclined to react to emotion. They seen it for what it is and refuse to allow the bias to affect a final decision on bias alone.

As we think,~ as we are. The body always follows the head.

The secret to life it’s self is learning to control your thoughts.

Claire: Unlike many of you, I have never stated to be anything other than what I am. I don’t get my “panties tied up in a knot” because of what a virtual stranger says on a blog and I make no apologies. If the shoe fits…Maybe if more people would take a stand and not back away from what they believe in for the sake of “feelings” this world could be a better place. Starting with parents! Where do you think these self-indulgent, inconsiderate, spoiled, victimized adults come from? I will tell you: From 30 years of psycho babble telling parents, teachers, etc., they need to be more concerned about “feelings” than actual parenting. Look at the adults they have raised!

Song– I am what I am, and like you, I make no apologies for “being” what I am. I am not perfect by any means, and I certainly do not “know it all.” What I do know is that I stand by what I say and believe too. I was raised dirt poor and I mean poor. We lived on a tenant farm, my stepdad worked for a guy that farmed and raised horses for harness racing. We had two milk cows (Daisy & Bossy), two horses (Bill & Babe) to pull the plows and wagons. There were chickens galore, and we had pigs. During the summer there was a garden almost the size of a football field we had to take care of. The wild strawberries, gooseberries, persimmons contributed towards the food we ate. We ate from the land, literally-my Mother canned every item she could get her hands on and the jars were stored all over the 4-room house we lived in-under the beds. We did not have electricity nor running water. We had a pump and those dang buckets of water weighed as much as I did. We were up at 5:00 every morning to do the chores before school. I walked two miles each way to the country school. I also went to a country church, it was by the school. Back then we were on ADC-Aid for Dependent Children. Talk about being teased and tormented at school–everyone knew we were on ADC. I was a little thing–44 pounds in 5th grade, but I stood up for myself–I had to. I was a scrapper, I never started the fight, but I sure as heck did my best to finish it. Eventually the kids left me alone because they knew I would fight back. I never had toys like other kids-I and my sisters used our imagination and we had fun. I can remember several times being hungry. My Mother worked like a dog, doing the best she could with what she had. My Mother taught my sisters and I to be proud, to hold our heads up, keep ourselves clean, never lie or cheat, and if we worked hard enough, we could have a good life in the future. God knows I miss her, she passed away in 1991 and I think of her every day. Without her teachings I would be nothing. She instilled in me the importance of having a good life, the importance of making the right choices in life. I am now a “senior citizen” and I look back and wonder where all the years went. I find myself looking back and all the memories flood over me. I am proud of the way I was raised. It taught me to appreciate the things in life that count. The kids of today should be raised to “do without.” Perhaps it would make them appreciate what they do have. I don’t know, I just know that I am thankful I am not raising kids in today’s world. I could go on and on but I have rambled enough. I don’t want to bore you or anyone else. I will say that I am not complaining about my upbringing. I appreciate my life and all that God has given me.

Egads, I apologize–my post is too long. Sorry.

No apology necessary Claire and I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post and couldn’t agree with you more. I am deeply saddened that the work ethic and values that you write about have almost been completely abandoned and wiped out by what I call pop psychology or psycho babble of the past 30-40 years. The same psycho babble that said parents shouldn’t spank their children and school’s don’t have the right to discipline. Instead adults should seek to “understand” instead of discipline so that children’s “self-esteem” wouldn’t be damaged. The same psycho babble that said marking papers in “red” damages a child’s fragile “self-esteem”, the same psycho babble that says everyone should be treated the same, no trophy’s, don’t keep scores at games and decreed that games like tag are too violent…and above all make sure that no one’s feelings are ever hurt. What a shame.

Song: I remember one time I locked the teacher in the outhouse at school. Another kid unlocked the door and let her out. They ratted on me. Boy, did I get a paddling from the teacher, and rightly so. Mrs. Cowhick was her name and I grew to love her dearly.

Claire – Have you ever written about your early life? Sounds like it would make for some interesting reading.

Karolyn–Yes, I am working on a book. Even though I edit manuscripts for a living, it seems my own book is harder to deal with. And I don’t really know if there would be an audience for a book such as this. I am also working on another book–you guessed it–it is about dogs-my own dogs. I jot things down as they “pop” into my mind. I also love poetry.

Let me know when it hits the shelves Claire. I’ll definately buy one. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Claire,
Yes, let us know when it is ready! I’ll buy one for myself to read and I know a couple of kids in my neighborhood I would buy one for if I thought they would read it. Kids today have it all too easy. Sure, there are exceptions, but on average, they are spoiled rotton as far as having to earn their wants!!

I would think, and perhaps it’s just me, but if these folks are the folks interested in being green, perhaps even setting an example, they’d clean up their own mess instead of leaving it for others -

Which part of this do you not understand, these are Americans of all ages and creed protesting for a better life in very difficult times and all you can do is make fun of them. We should all be supporting them as they are putting themselves on the line for all of us. Oh! I forgot there is serious lack of empathy on this site!

By the way they cleaned up the place all night and it is now better than it was before this started. Of course you might not know that since the media coverage has been spotty and derogatory at best.

the point being apologist Eric Bischoff, the tea party rally’s left nothing to clean up…unlike these protestors, the tea party people took the initiative to make sure their rally’s were clean without having to be asked. There is a big difference in attitude and behavior but I am certainly not going to expect an indoctrinated sympathizer like yourself to make that distinction

You are one lofty person Song! How did you ever acquire such a high opinion of yourself?

bob wire–Unfortunately, there are various individuals that feel the need to “toot their own horn.” Is it because no one really listens to them?

Well said Song, fellow patriot! Libs just don’t understand any concepts of the actions or movements going on, but they just pick and choose what they want people to know. Comes from the Saul Alinsky books and they tend to sound more like Joseph Goebbels than like fellow human beings. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

P.S. Don’t mention anything about God, Jesus, or Christianity. Those really set BW off on tantrums.

In your opinion Eric Bischoff

Yea, kinda like yours Song.

These corruption concerns must be pinned down and identified. Which will be an easier task then rooting out the guilty. I don’t have a clue where to begin.

But putting pressure on people that do is a place to start.

bob,
you say English as national language isn’t important? how much money a year do you think the government, both local and federal, WASTE printing government papers, signs, instructions in four and five different languages?? This used to not be so. you learned english to become a citizen. When I was a kid of about fifteen, the Mexican lady, who came here LEGALLY, used to bring her daughter with her to fill out forms and get instructions. She also took night classes to learn English good enough to take the citizenship test. She proudly displayed her papers to show she persevered!!! She was DAM PROUD of her citizenship and showed it every day of the rest of her life!! Not important? BULL$HIT!!

Those items you have mentioned are important to the moral fabric of this nation. Classic lib strategy to take away anything moral and turn it into disfuntion. I’ll bet that any of the ones running for the GOP nomination would be better suited on economic issues than Obama bin Laden, who has done nothing for this country. Speaking of women’s issues, the Protect Life Act was just passed by the House and moves into the Senate. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

good to have you back Eric. Staying long?

“Corporations and the wealthy 1% ruling class and the banksters is who we need to take our country and our government back from.”

Right Eric! and few in the Tea Party will accept this fact and will rarely venture there. DavidH being among the few. Mr. Livington knows too but very rarely will it be offered up, not with such a target rich political landscape we have today.

Makes me ask , “Why” as if I don’t know.

It’s more fun to kick on things that can’t really kick back. Why take on the monster when there so many dog to kick around.

In that sense, This Wall Street sit-in protest is taking on the monster few attempt or dare to try.

bw, the day that utopians have the stones to take on GE, George Soros, the Fed and this administration’s galloping corruption is the day that people like you will have a dab of integrity. Until you do, all you’re doing is shedding a light on new parameters of hypocrisy.
Your mentality is so straight out of the book of Quisling, Neville Chamberlain and the Vichy French (with a touch of Das Kapital) that it’s hard for me to believe that anyone be so screwed-up and yet demand to be seen as ‘enlightened.’
It is no wonder that one of your many false gods just happens to be in the W H. Is clueless your middle name? Remember to pray to Alinsky before you go to bed tonight.

Don’t forget The Communist Manifesto, Animal Farm, 1984, and Mein Kampf. This should compleate the list. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Everyone should read Animal Farm. That revolution is fueled by many who perceive injustice and want to “right” what is wrong only to find themselves in a much worse situation then what they initially perceived.

Well said Song. I just don’t think the libs will get it though. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

MArk,

Well said.

Point taken in your last comment Christin yet when you use trash talk like idiots,vulgar and ignorant it tells alot about yourself and will always bring a rebuttal of equal passion but without the dizzy name calling.

edieeeeee,

Occupy Now Protests articles and video I have read and seen:
QUOTED

“Occupy devolves into debauchery, drugs and criminals: Occupy Wall Street protests have devolved into shameless display of moral depravity- with shocking or not interviews of protesters claiming to be getting high everyday and having sex ‘in a tarp’ and out in plain view. Zuccotti Park smells like an open sewer with people urinating and defecating in public.”

“Occupy Sacramento admitted to not even knowing why they are there. When asked to elaborate on why they are there organizers said they are still trying to figure that out.”

“Occupy Atlanta rejected civil rights icon, Democrat Congressman Jon Lewis. Instead of letting him speak, many of the protesters tried to block him until he finally ended up leaving.”

This new young group of Americans is MISGUIDED in their anger if only at Wall Street slighted the Share Holders with WH leader’s blessing (they should include BIG corrupt gov that doesn’t follow the Constitution), IGNORANT to the Constitution and our Freedoms, Liberties and rights Granted by God, BEHAVING with VULGARITIES by swearing, taking drugs, and having sex and urinating & defecating in public, NOT willing to listen to others who may be more mature and have more experience or guidance, and NOT KNOWING WHY they are there in some instances and CHANTING PIVENS words & others comments… thus the stupid sheeple comments.

I DID my homework before posting my views, eddieeeee, did you?
I doubt it.

Same your verbal slams for yourself.

Christin – If you search YouTube, you will find videos of tea party demonstrations in which some weird characters are interviewed. One lady is wearing a long black cape and hood and acting really weird. You can find pictures of overflowing garbage cans and other strange things. Maybe there are no videos of people having sex or other debauchery,” but there are some weird things. There have also been videos of racists and gunslingers. Now, would you have all tea partiers judged by the actions of those people? I maintain that not all the OWS demonstrators are the same as well.

The fright wingers pay folks to go out and film these events and then on U-Tube they go. It’s like the Obama videos where they say he says something but then the video is cropped to have a different meaning. We live in an evil manipulative world.

I wonder how many of them are paid union folk of the SEIU. We both know they love to pound people in opposition to the president. I wonder if Jimmy Hoffa has a stake in this too. He’s already threatened peoples life and limb for going against unions and the POTUS. Neeeeed to look at both sides before making a rebuttle to someone ed-duh. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Thank you Mark!

I like this one the best!

“6) Both the Hegelian “left” and the Hegelian “right” have tried to hijack the popular discontent- and that “success” needs to be countered with education about manipulation tactics – they do not work on those that can see that LIES ONLY HAVE POWER WHEN PEOPLE BELIEVE THEM”

They do believe these lies! Like Mark Twain said,” A lie can travel around the world before the truth has time to put on it’s shoes”

If memory serves, they already failed and “we” American tax payers bailed them out. But if you want to smooch on their backside some more I can send one over, just send me an address and pucker up.

Bob w. karolyn..eddiieeeee….lesson for the day: There is bad and there is good and people do make better choices then other people. when people make bad choices they suffer consequences. It is not about people being “better” than other people, it is all about the choices they make.

Did any of you bother to read the white board in the article? That would be one example of making really good choices to overcome really big challenges. Not everyone does that by virtue of human nature.

As a studier of human nature it is a well known fact that most people will take the path of “least resistance” and that would be their own choice.

Considering the thought process of you three and the difficulty or reading comprehension demonstrated over and over again by at least 2 of you; I am sure that this comment will just sail right over your “everyone is the same” mentality which simply is not true.

That we have the same potential..absolutely…but that in no way makes everyone the “same”.

Well, thank you Song but I didn’t need that. My response was to Christin posting and was in pure ‘sport’ as to how he/she offered it. “Me good, you bad!

And it seems that you are attempting to do very much the same thing with a twist “You good, me better”

Suggesting your own level of thought and acumen might exceeding others and coming short of apologizing for it hoping to maybe easy the stinging of the inflammatory nature of it.

Myself?, I’m doing well thank you, but what is it about you that validates your notions of elevated thought that enables you to feel comfortable in speaking in such a condescending manner?

Don’t do that anymore and just maybe we can communicate.

I don’t think much of your thought process either Song so I guess that puts us on the SAME level or don’t you have a clue how abrasive you are? Your a hoot Song and I am very close to being debt free so pointing out that cute little white sign is just another arrogant poke from you Sooooong!

to eddieee: what does your having to be debt free after what, 60 years? have to do with the comment on the white board? And, I don’t care if I am abrasive. I never claimed not to be After all, the truth hurts

Because you said we should refer to that white board and it mentions debt. Miss persnickety,

And NO, Song, I didn’t read the white board. ~ One person’s hand written sign is not very representative of a 1000 people or 500 people Song.

That is just a snapshot, you can use a snapshot in time and draw any conclusion that you wish and why I didn’t bother reading it.

I take it that you did! I always the enjoy the snapshot of a huge fat lady hold up a sign that read “Don’t starve us” at a protest many years ago. You can make what you wish from a single picture.

We are attempting to discuss the beginning of a political movement as each persons own bias allows while looking for a label.

You have yours, others will have theirs.

thank you eddieee and bw for validating my claim. Your responses are exactly the ones I expected. You along with so many others have bought into the pop psychology psycho babble of the past 30-40 years that people are not responsible for their choices and look where it has gotten us! Now there’s the laugh! You can’t even respond honestly to the point made by the young person on the white board. Sad, SAD, Sad…

I’m glad we could help you feel better Song. ~ and no! I’m not responding to one persons sad story but I will respond to a collect of say ~ 40 million sad stories.

Life is not fair, we all know that. We are all born naked and then put on the cloths. Some of us has elected to put on the cloths of a thief and cheat. It is those people was are attempting to reach.

If you are not doing any lying, cheating and stealing you should be safe Song.

Song,
Well said, well said!!!!

Yes, song, I did read the white board. Unfortunately, things are not the same as they were when I was young or even when I was middle-aged. The opportunities are not out there even for those willing to look. It used to be much easier to find a job or even start a business. I have always been a self-starter and have always had a job and did something else on the side like selling on ebay or at flea markets or freelance writing, creating saleable items, etc. This is a different world. The competition is so stiff that the things that used to make me money are no longer viable. 13 years ago i could sell $1500 on ebay every month with antiques and collectibles. These days forget it! Everyone does not have the same capabilities and abilities; and in these depressed times, those wthout the necessary attributes to make it in some way are stuck in a rut. It’s easy for somebody with brains and ambition, raised in a certain way to look at someone who is the opposite and say “Look what I did! You should be able to do it too.” but that is not reality.

When my business folded after 6 years and I went looking for a job, I was amazed at hard it was after only 6 years; and that was before the recession. Here where I live in SC, our local newspapers rarely have any jobs in the classifieds; and it’s been that way for over 3 years. Even when there were jobs, they were few and limited to a select few (mostly male). I feel very fortunate to be me and to have been able to keep my head at the water line for 4 years because I got a few breaks; and I am ever so grateful to be getting a check every two weeks for the past year. I didn’t want to take my SS early, but I had absolutely no choice; it was that or sink.

Did you look at the link to the charts posted earlier in the day and see where the US stands in income inequality equality in the world? We are 2 steps away from South Africa! Iran has less income inequality than the US!! You make it sound so easy. You holier-than-thou people just don’t get it.

No karolyn, I never said it was “easy”. It’s not supposed to be “easy.” If life was “easy” then we wouldn’t learn anything. We wouldn’t grow and we would never achieve our potential. However, society has been conditioned since the 60′s that it should be “easy”. What a lie.

karolyn,
did you move to your area by choice? If you chose to move to an area with no possible employment, then why is our responsibility to support YOU?? In the cleveland area today the News herald had some 15 social service jobs in it and the Plain Dealer had some 25 in it. You CHOOSE to live the life you are living.

We are all wrong about something – the worst error is to blame the other side when both sides are doing the same fraud

Mark Dabne—Finally, good choice of words. Thank you for your common sense.

Wrong eddieeeeee,

This is about Constitutional Conservatives (Tea Party) versus Hard Left liberals (Occupy Wall St)

I do believe Wall Street has done wrong to the American people with this government’s blessing… your WH leader sided with Wall Street OVER Main Street in 2009 REMEMBER which builds Small businesses and Provides jobs. Large conglomerate Corporations run by the Ruling Elite and BAILED OUT by BIG Gov are NOT good for any American. (GM, Freddie Mac, Fanny ae, Mc Cain – Budweiser, John Kerry – Heinz, Nancy Pelosi – brand ? name wine and husband’s tuna…)

The Tea Party Conservatives were polite, clean, and orderly and they came for a day to protest dressing in red, white and blue and then went home to their jobs and their lives… on the other hand, the Occupy Wall Street group is tearing up the privately owned park and WON’T get out or go home so they can clean up the mess they are making.

Can you not see Right from Wrong???

No, Christin, he can’t. He, like so many others are too concerned about “feelings” without recognizing the destructive consequences of the pop psychology and psycho babble produced by well meaning idiots over the past 30 years which has led to an increase in everything from suicide to drug abuse, dysfunctional families, divorce, broken families and adults that never learned boundaries, morals or the importance of taking responsibility for your own life.

This is about Constitutional Conservatives (Tea Party) versus Hard Left liberals (Occupy Wall St)”

Well, you are 50% right! maybe

for one things, there no versus except in your mind. And yes, that is the Tea Parties stated position, to be constitutional conservatives, especially where in come to someones else rights.

They want smaller government until it come to things they care about and then they want intrusive big government.

bw,
name some examples!! Like the TEA party left DC SPOTLESS, while the prog party left DC looking like a PIG PEN!!!! FACTS buddy!!

Mark,
I can tell you have either never been to a TEA party meeting or you have been deaf while there. The TEA party has said all along that the GOP AND the libs both have screwed the public for years. I hav ebeen to five meetings now and have heard it all five times as I LISTEN!!! Now is the time to listen with your ears and not your mouth!!! The first meeting I went to was the first time I heard ANY group tell me to look at a persons voting RECORD and not what they promise. you ever heard your progs tell you that??

eddie… It is so rare when I agree with you! I just had to let you know!

eddie,
Are you living in your retirement on a company sponsored retirement plan?? Well if you truly feel that way about wall street, then DON’T ACCEPT ANOTHER CHECK!!!! BIGOT!!

Amen! She’s just another abrasie big-mouth making bundles of money by bad-mouthing those with views opposite to hers.

Karolyn… Your statement could refer to a lot of people, and Michael Moore, Rosie O’Donnell, Sean Penn are the first ones to come to mind…

And? We weren’t talking about them.

Robin is so one sided she is lopsided.

You have no room to talk that way ed-duh. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Robin from Arcadia, In,
karolyn and eddie only want to talk about the people THEY want to trash, get with the program!! and eddie says YOU are so one sided you’re lopsided!!! I think when he said that, he was looking in a mirror!!!

Anne Coulter is harmless, she is just a very good heckler ! Hopefully she will change her views on the benefits of radiation !

Anyhow, the political operatives are to smart – they already neutralized Ron Paul with all this fuss over Romney, Perry and Cain.. The Repubs and Democrats work together to maintain their political hegemony ….

What can a person do ? You step in front of a juggernaut (demopublicans) and you end up road kill. I feel bad for Ron Paul …

So if your young – go out and demonstrate, occupy the Fed Reserve buildings , (if you can) and yell End the Fed ! SOunds like alot of fun …

And this coming from someone who does personal attacks, posts no facts, nor do you post sources. Neeeeed to look in the mirror more often ed-duh. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

In caps no less! It interesting how people view the world and how they see ‘themselves’ in relation to this world. This individual sees himself in the center somewhere and pure as fresh fallen snow.

While his posting tells us that he is anything but as he speaks of things that he knows little of.

Patriot – I do like your rational approach. It’s nice to see another poster here who is not a name-caller and holier-than-thou. I do have to say that since becoming a regular on this site over a year ago, I have changed some of my opinions due to the posts of those who do think before they rant and provide real information in a coherent manner.

karolyn,
Not attacking you, but would you please state some of those ideas you have changed your mind on??

CP,
Let’s look at both groups as a WHOLE. At the prog rally in DC, the area was so littered it took a week to clean it up. At the TEA party rally in DC the place was cleaner when they left than it was when they came. Both FACTS. Every where the OWS has been has been litterally TRASHED! The reason they wanted to close them down last week is so they can clean up the FILTH they have deposited in the area. Now YOU tell me which would be more welcome in your yard???

DanB, your statement: ["Government bailed out Wall Street.Government mandated or “encouraged” some of the risks that led to the problem".]

I agree, Now let’s Dissect that and drill into to expose specifically who, and what Political Philosophy was responsible. Not all in Government were responsible. NOW it’s tiem to Point Fingers at “Them”
in Government that pushed this.

Too many people are looking for the government to bail them out. If there are two million people out of work looking for the government to supply jobs, let them remember that Adolf Hitler had the same problem and he found jobs for them all..and needed a thousand more to sew uniforms.
Be very careful what you wish for. The government is the problem, not the answer.

The older Wall Street protesters are angry about the volatility of the stock market and how their retirement have been devastated.The golden years won’t be so golden. The unemployed are angry about jobs and the inaction from Washington and the private sector.Congress and the private job creators are no where to be found. The college youth are angry about the rising costs of education which makes it harder to stay in college. When they get out they are so in debt they have to keep living with their parents for years beyond anything normal.The Tea Party folks were and are angry about tax burdens and a heavy handed government. Then we have the continual Middle East wars which seem to go no where. That makes for a volatile mix and an angry society whether left,right or in the middle. Its like a civil war without the shooting.

While I feel bad for those who are losing their retirements, unfortunately some of us who actually read books by those who understood money and markets, well, we knew this was going to happen. And we watched the politicians, the media, and the American people sell the idea that this would never happen. Should I feel sad that reality caught up with them? No, I don’t. Do I think I should care for them? Yes, as much as I can. Not as much as the government can. There is a difference. Now my means are very meager, and because of government regulations I cannot legally offer the only thing I have to offer (which is to share the roof over my head and a chair at our table). And if I had the means, I would have to comply with awful government regs on what aid I can and cannot offer to those in need….

The problem I have with all the anger is that everyone so angry about their lost retirements are probably going to sacrifice the freedoms of the nation they claim to love all because they need to satisfy their sense of justice. Those kids on Wall Street protesting will probably sacrifice the freedoms of the economic system they protest against, because they believe it will give them the privileges they believe they deserve.

The only party of angry individuals that I see right now who actually make an effort to preserve freedoms despite their anger is the Tea Party, Libertarians, and Constitutional Conservatives. I choose to throw in with these groups of angry citizens. Only in the freedoms under a limited government is there hope to provide for the elderly, the sick, the afflicted,… and even those deluded protesters on Wall Street (after they learn some hard lessons in “The School of Life”). I look at the others, ponder the costs of what they seek, and realize that not only will they not likely get what they seek ultimately but the cost will be terrible and the resulting tyranny will be inescapable.

Dan Why are these college kids so upset and worked up? Because they made bad choices and they don’t want to pay the price for them.”

They haven’t even had time to make any bad choices yet! Why not they are upset because they have nowhere to go with their education?

Have they lived long enough to make stupid choices? YES!!! I was old enough to make some really dumb choices when I was about ten, and again when I was sixteen. I even flunked out of college for failure to do my homework, excusing myself on being “burned out”. I even made some stupid financial choices using credit cards, but I never took out any student loans so it was never over ~3k.

I learned from my mistakes. I paid off my debts. I worked at a gas station. I learned what a difference debt-free can make. I made less than the accountant, but at one point I did not “need” nearly three months of paychecks which absolutely boggled their mind–they insisted I deposit the checks so they could balance their books. I did not choose automatic deposit at that time and it was a liberating feeling to know that I did not need the money on those checks in my wallet. Then someone convinced me again that I ought to “restore” my credit rating by getting a loan (for something that I had the cash for). How quickly I went back to living from paycheck-to-paycheck. So, I made not only the mistake once, but twice before thirty, believing the mainstream philosophy on money and debt. By the time I met my wife and got married, I was resolved to live debt-free. We paid off a lot of her debt at marriage and worked hard to pay her car off early. Losing my job and being unemployed for a year set us back hard, and we even ended up falling back on bankruptcy. It hurt. But I am employed now, and have been for three years in IT. We only have my wife’s student loans and a medical bill yet to pay off now. And, we are sending me to classes WITHOUT incurring any new debt–cash, paid in full.

So are they old enough to have made mistakes? Yes. Are they old enough to learn from them? Yes. Do they choose to learn from them? No. Do we tell them that they ought to wake up and get a life? Apparently not.

Not all lessons in life have a classroom with four walls, a roof, a teacher, and a desk.

thank you DanB. great post

DanB,

Well said… thank you for your comments.

Great post. Hope to see more of them. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

DanB,
Just having credit is not the root to all evil that you make it out to be. I have bought cars on payments, bought a house on a loan, have three credit cards and am not in debt one iota! My house is paid off, cars are free n clear, and I pay my credit cards off, in full, every month. The enemy you speak of is unmanageable credit, buying more than you can afford. I don’t live paycheck to paycheck and never have. I even manage to save a few bucks each and every month. I only depend on two people, my wife of 35 years and MYSELF!!

Too bad the government and US citizens (on average) don’t understand the difference between credit and debt. By the way, there are too very good credit ratings depending on your point of view.

My wife has better a credit rating then I do. She also has no income except what my job brings into the house.

Dan – “Why are these college kids so upset and worked up? Because they made bad choices and they don’t want to pay the price for them.”

They haven’t even had time to make any bad choices yet! Why not They are upset because they have nowhere to go with their education”?

I know what happened to these kids! This Gov.stole the HISTORY from them they have no HEROS! we all need heros when we grow up and if we don’t find it in those who lived and died for this once great nation, we will find them,if not our fathers,but outsiders.They don’t know anything about Davy Crocket,or Daniel Boone,or some of the other men who died starting this country..It would make a great Comic book,of truths,all kids love comic books…lets look for the REAL HEROS,not protesting in parks,but joining the YOUNG REPUBLICANS & those trying to save America.

Why did you just repeat yourself? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

P.S. Another good post DanB.

I meant Rayma. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Rayma,
The kids in the inner-city need to change what it takes to be a hero. Instead of looking at the gangsta rappers, sport figures, crooked politicians, they need to look around. Look at the fathers and mothers that have worked their fingers to the bone and stuck by their family instead of running away, no matter how hard it gets. the fathers that stood up and said those are my kids and I’m gonna make sure they are taken care of. There are their TRUE heroes!! There are the people that they should admire!!

Karolyn! There is no such thing as income equality! Life is NOT fair and not everyone deserves a trophy!

Income equality? She must be refering to socialism and communism where everyone makes that same amount of money “0″. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

So you obviously don’t even know what I am talking about. It’s income INEQUALITY, meaning the gap between the rich and the poor.

I know EXACTLY what you are talking about Karolyn. Tell me, would you rather be a poor person living in the slums of India or a poor person living in America? All I can say, is that so much of the ignorance I see is because people are not well-traveled, well-read or well-educated. Again, there is no income equality and the poor are much better off here in America then virtually anyplace else in the world. In fact, they are much better off than most of the middle class in other parts of the world.

And I should add: I didn’t have to work today so I took some time to take a close look at the link you provided and am certain of one thing: You did not put ANY critical thought into the “facts” as presented. What a load of absolute drivel! If I had more time I could refute every single one of the slides presented. Here are some key phrases that illustrate the author’s extreme bias:

“if it were easy to work your way into the top 1%” Implying that it should be easy to achieve success….Excuse me? When, since the beginning of time has obtaining enormous success and wealth been “easy”? The American Dream has been achieved by people like entrepreneur Henry Ford who worked tirelessly to achieve that dream. IT WAS NOT EASY!

The author brings up debts and that the 1% don’t have any. Well, duh, really? And whose choice is it to become saddled with debt might I ask??? The entire slant of the author’s slides is that the “99%” are essentially victims to the 1%. B**Sh**t. Tell that to Gates, tell that to deceased Steve Jobs. None of them were born with a “silver spoon” in their mouths and I could site hundreds of examples of people that came from poor beginnings to grow empires through dedication, hard work and SACRIFICE. And people like you, have the audacity to suggest that you are anyone else is entitled to their earnings because there is greed and corruption in this world. SHAME ON YOU.

I understand what you are saying Karolyn, but there will never be income equality in this country. Why should a person, who has worked hard all their life and has become successful, have to give up most of their money for someone who doesn’t want to work at all? The very idea is absurd and shows no intelligence whatsoever. Have many of the poor in this country graduate high school. Many of these people don’t graduate high school and the end result is a job being paid minimum wage or no job at all. You’re not entitled to anything you don’t earn. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

No, you don’t get it Samurai. It is the widening gap between the haves and have-nots that is the point. It’s just the old rich get richer, while the poor get poorer scenario. “When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will know peace” Jimi Hendrix

Wrong answer Karolyn. I do understand what you are saying, but you attacked me instead of trying to understand my response to you. Classic lib strategy. You don’t understand something so you go into attack mode. I don’t disagree the gap between rich and poor is getting wider, but if the poor would graduate from school, go to college, and actually work (Not receiving unconstitutional handouts) the gap would begin to narrow. Not by leaps and bounds, but it would take time. These are things the libs don’t want the poor to have. Since this being true, the gap will continues to widen without end. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Samurai – I wish you would point out to me where I attacked you?

karolyn,
Every day of my working life I have gotten up at 5:30 am, made sure my family is ready for the day, gone to work, whether at home or away, worked my assets off, the last twenty years, I have gone back home, made supper, chased after my kids, cleaned, and yes washed windows. I have always done what I had to to ensure my family survives. I have seen people with four and five children go on food stamps and welfare, not work a lick, drink or do drugs all day, and wouldn’t take a job if their life depended on it. Now please explain to me why these “people” should get the same pay, goods and comforts that my work has provided me?? There will always be an un-equality, a wide gap between the haves and have-nots. This is EXACTLY as it should be in this country. This is a republic of free people, free to succeed, free to FAIL as they wish and I wouldn’t have any other way. If the “have-nots” don’t want to try to succeed, then they can depend on the benevolence of others or go the way of the wind, it is THEIR choice.

No, way to many people are just wastes of air.

Even they serve a purpose…to be a waste of space….lol