“Fossil fuels are being created every hour of every day somewhere under the earths surface” Who did you come up with this statement?

“Fossil fuels are being created every hour of every day somewhere under the earths surface” Who did you come up with this statement?

Put the bong down, open a book and due some research, this is not rocket science. Did you think that because we drill for oil, that earth stopped producing it. It’s just like the ocean waves or the tide’s, they never stop.

Sure more oil is made every day and when it rains that’s new water also

Jibbs has bought the farm. What he says is only partially true. I suppose when a gold mine is abandoned there is still gold in it. NOT. They usually have to look somewhere else and the same with oil.

SMSgt Z retired Nam 68 says:
October 12, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Sure more oil is made every day and when it rains that’s new water also

eddie47d says:
October 12, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Jibbs has bought the farm. What he says is only partially true. I suppose when a gold mine is abandoned there is still gold in it. NOT. They usually have to look somewhere else and the same with oil.

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Sorry, maybe it is rocket science for you two. And once again, no links. Keep up the good work boys!
Between the two of you, there’s almost half a guy.

No one is shutting off oil…. NO ONE!

…another brilliant comment…

com·pre·hend [ kòmprə hénd ]
1.understand: to grasp the meaning or nature of something
2.include something: to include something as a part of a larger whole

Playing stupid Jeff or does it come natural?

…another brilliant comeback…you’re amazingly brilliant you know!

The US developed the first Photo voltaic cell in 1954.The start of real research started in the 1980 when the funding of what was known at that as the Solar Energy Research Institute was at it’s heights level 124 million dollars.A year long study concluded that 28% of the countries energy needs could be attained by 2000.The study was killed by the administration in office at that time but not before it was published in the Congressional Record. The following years funding was cut the tax credit for solar energy were stopped.The US was the country to go to for alternative energy and we can again be there

There is a solar power plant in AZ. It feeds one of the reservations there. The customers pay about a hundred a month for the power.

BUT … without government subsaties, it would be shut down.

A normal electric plant, anywhere, produces power and sells it. The price they charge provides reinbursement for all new plants, pays for maintenance on the existing plants, and provides a profit to the investors. The solar power plant, according to one of the engineers who retired there, has massive amounts of maintenance costs. So much so that if the customers simply paid the maintenance costs, according to him, the cost to the customer would be over $15,000 a month for electical energy. So you and I pay for those maintenance costs with taxes to produce “cheap” energy.

Now tell me, would you be willing to pay that much for energy? I certainly can’t!

“The solar power plant, according to one of the engineers who retired there, has massive amounts of maintenance costs” What maintenance?The panels sit in the sun and have no moving parts that I know of.The USMC is using Solar in Afghanistan and they have no issues with maintenance

They don’t last very long either. And there are a LOT of them.

Great comment SGT. They are indeed ignorant about the Ogallala aquifer and could care less. Sadly this aquifer is being depleted and the farmers in Eastern Colorado now have to fight even harder for water. They(Keystone) think about what they will financially gain instead about how much will be lost in the process. It’s always that a little damage has been done so what is a little more in their quest for pipeline dreams. Think about the damage to the Yellowstone River this year and the Kalamazoo River and they think they have all the answers.

Karolyn.

I am a Christian.. Christianity is a “Belief” or “Faith” NOT a Religion. That is a fact that all Christians will tell you.

Religion is man made up rules and man made organizations that are formed around a Belief, or Faith. For example a misnomer is to say the Catholic Faith. The Faith of Catholics is Christianity. Christianity is not a faith of Catholicism, although it is the Faith OF Catholics who abide by the rules of the Catholic Church.

Most people who are not Christians think your way, I used to and I was raised Catholic. But I was not a Christian until I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Personal Savior. There is no reason to have a religion that tells me to do so; it is personal between Jesus and me.

Look into it, research it, go to a Pastor or a priest, or even a Rabbi and ask him or her to explain it to you.

Religion is not simple to define. Christianity is a religion, as is Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, Islam, Jainism, Judaism, etc. There is the dictionary definition of religion, one of which is “Recognition on the part of humans of some higherunseen power as having control of one’s destiny and as being entitled to obedience, reverence, and worship; the general mmental and moral attitude resulting from this belief, with reference to its effect upon the individual or the community; personal or general acceptance of this feeling as a standard of spiritual and practical life.” Another is “A system of thoughts, feelings, and actions that is shared by a group and that gives the members of that group an object of devotion; a code of behavior by which an individual may judge the personal and social consequences of his actions; and a frame of reference by which an individual mayrelate himself to the group and to the universe…..” I used to think that each denomination was a religion until I took a class in World Religions. Under Christianity are different churches/denominations that are all Christian.

My dear Karolyn nice try…

If you were a Christian you would understand what I am saying all Christians do. I don’t care what the dictionary says; the Bible is the authority not the Dictionary. Jesus rejected religion, and if you read it, you know rather than simply regurgitation what a secular Dictionary says written by Secular Generalists, to please a generalist population.

Patriot – All Christians believe in the Bible, do they not? Cetholics, Protestants, Methodists, Baptists, Presbyterians, etc. all believe they are Christian, no? This is the worldwide acceptance of the term Christian. I know what you’re getting at, but you try to tell a Presbyterian he’s not Christian, and I think you’ll get an argument. The two references I made are but a minute portion of any definitions of religion that have been formulated.

And, BTW, I WAS a Christian for a large portion of my life.

Karolyn–So what happened? What made you change your mind? Just curious.

List of Christian denominationsFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search
(November 2009)

List of Christian denominations (or Denominations self-identified as Christian) ordered by historical and doctrinal relationships. (See also: Christianity; Christian denominations; List of Christian denominations by number of members). Also, some groups included do not consider themselves a denomination (e.g., the Catholic Church considers itself the one true Church, and as pre-denominational). Regarding the use of the word “church,” the Catholic Church does not consider any groups or denominations to be true “churches” unless they have maintained apostolic succession and observe the seven sacraments (by this definition, the Eastern Orthodox churches are, for the most part, the only other Christian groupings considered by the Catholic Church to be true “churches”).[1]

Some groups are large (e.g. Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans or Baptists), while others are just a few small churches, and in most cases the relative size is not evident in this list. Also, modern movements such as Fundamentalist Christianity, Pietism, Evangelicalism, Pentecostalism and the Holiness movement sometimes cross denominational lines, or in some cases create new denominations out of two or more continuing groups, (as is the case for many United and uniting churches, for example). Such subtleties and complexities are not clearly depicted here. Additionally, some groups viewed by non-adherents as denominational actively resist being called a “denomination” and do not have any formal denominational structure, authority, or record-keeping beyond the local congregation; several groups within Restoration Movement fall into this category.

Note: This is not a complete list, but aims to provide a comprehensible overview of the diversity among denominations of Christianity. As there are reported to be approximately 38,000 Christian denominations,[2] many of which cannot be verified to be significant, only those denominations with Wikipedia articles will be listed in order to ensure that all entries on this list are notable and verifiable.
Note: Between denominations, theologians, and comparative religionists there are considerable disagreements about which groups can be properly called Christian, disagreements arising primarily from doctrinal differences between groups. For the purpose of simplicity, this list is intended to reflect the self-understanding of each denomination. Explanations of different opinions concerning their status as Christian denominations can be found at their respective articles.
Note: There is no official recognition in most parts of the world for religious bodies, and there is no official clearinghouse which could determine the status or respectability of religious bodies. Often there is considerable disagreement between various churches about whether other churches should be labeled with pejorative terms such as “cult”, or about whether this or that group enjoys some measure of respectability. Such considerations often vary from place to place, where one religious group may enjoy majority status in one region, but be widely regarded as a “dangerous cult” in another part of the world. Inclusion on this list does not indicate any judgment about the size, importance, or character of a group or its members.

Your idiot equation of X gallons gas = Y soldier lives, makes no sense whatsoever. As much as your liberal little brain would love to believe, we are not fighting for oil, we are fighting the terrorists on their home field so that they have limited capability to bring their terror to our soil! Do you think we would’ve found Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein without US military presence in the Mid-East? How many thousands of lives did that save by taking these and other leaders of terror and death. Get a clue!My son is fighting so that clueless fools like you can say moronic things like that! I suppose we detonated our own Trade Towers as well, huh?

If we wern’t so involved in the Middle East(meddling) then there may not have been a Bin Laden or the terrorist problem.

Right!

F86, it’s easy for you to call Myers a liar…but can you back it up with any real facts, not just ridicule and name callin? You’ve failed up to this point so I’d say it’s time to either “put up or shut up”! That’s if you want some credibility.

Just like 47d, F86 will never provide a link to his ill gotten information, when in fact we all know that both of them get their info. from the government talking heads and the msm.

BTW F86, so you know about oil business, eh. I think you know more about bullsh!t than oil.

I don’t “steal” other peoples information like Jeff does and claim it’s mine. Get out and read more Jibbs then you may be able to produce something from your own mind.That is called thinking and not depending on others to think for me. By the way Jibbs I haven’t watched MSN for about 10 months since you want to be so nosey.

ROFLMAO&PMP! Gettin’ a bit ensitive and touchy are we? LMAO!

Ignorance is a voluntary misfortune.
-Nicholas Ling

…and I thought your momma dropped you on your head.

I never mentioned MSN, I said MSM…put your glasses on and use the bottom lense.

And on the day of judgement I will stand in judgement against you, and you will be no more for eternity, what a great day that will be

up the hill
airborne

Who says you are going to heaven on judgement day? God may have other plans for you also. He may not like some of those slanderous remarks that you make about other people. So He will be the Judge of that.

…bet he doesn’t take to kindly to “pathalogical liars” like you either…

Only if it were true ..Only if it were true Jeff. Lying about others is your specialty so learn to live with it troll Meister!

eddie, I can see that you can’t handle the heat and have lowered yourself even farther down in the gutter.

The reason there’s so much ignorance is that those who have it are so eager to share it.
-Frank A. Clark

Then why are you sharing it with us all??

Your the majority liar today Jeff so are you speaking for yourself.

eddie…

Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.
Mark Twain

eddie, I’ve been exposing you as a liar, as well as others here have been doing the same, by listing your lies. So why don’t you present something that supports your calling me a liar…to say it just because you can is called “free speach” and in no way makes it fact…to prove it is something you’ve NEVER DONE!

Your pathetic Jeff and I doubt if anyone wants to listen to your antics. You printed nothing because it is just you calling me a liar or me calling you a liar. Be brave and print the WHOLE comments and then let others do the judging. You’re like a sneaky prosecutor who leaves out evidence and your attempt is really lame.

WHAT? ME worry!

C’mon eddie, admit it…if you had a leg to stand on you would…

Like my pappy always said…excuses are for losers! You and Obama are like two peas in a pod…excuses, excuse!

You know what they say about those who play dirty and you certainly need a bath. Make sure you run that rag through those ears too.

Which means it is absolute B.S.

Why are you on this site? Your comments are not supported by any factual information, therefore, they are not worth reading. They are only taking up space.

He is fulfilling his mandate. To stir up controversy and increase the comment volume.

There is no truth to what DOG said so that makes it a pile of BS. Now do you comprehend?

eddie, for you to ask that question as someone who suffers with a total lack of comprehension…

To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant.
A. B Alcott

Silly Jeff again…who else!

How many comments stated on this site on both sides of the fence are absolute FACT? Even much of the information that is cited is not necessarily provable. I know that often when I post a link, it is automatically discarded because it comes from a non-conservative or libertarian site. No one can prove what is in Obama’s or anyone else’s mind, but everybody thinks they know.

Sometimes you speak many words, sometimes few, yet you say nothing at all. Idiot……….TROLL ALERT!

Pipeline? Beautiful land? The Alaska pipeline/ animal hoax is well documented. The animals don’t care. As for the beautiful land….. Would you rather be a slave to muslim countries or an independent Amerian?

So Aix is now talking to animals and knows for a fact that they don’t care.MY God it just gets better!

Throwing stones again eddie?

Patriot II, you’re right…for a man(?) who speaks as if everything he says is a fact…he sure gets hypocritical doesn’t he?

To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant.
A. B Alcott

That does fit you to the T Jeff. Thanks for the quote.

Every part of a hemp plant is useable, but it would put cotton growers out of business. Hemp jeans last about three times as long as cotton jeans.

Jibbs, that only means I would be naked from the waist down after about 2 packs of zig-zags HAHAHAHAHA

up the hill
airborne

to theotherhalf:

Douglas is right, you must have your head buried in the sand and are drinking some Kool-Aid .. It is absolutley clear that this is what Obama is doing /….why else would he be doing the Assinine things he does?

DOES THE TERM OWG (ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT) SINK IN?

Yeah it’s what George Bush (41) was accused of – by RWR.

F86, if you are commenting back to me, I agree with you on Bush, alot of Conservatives who are Partiots do as well.

Most willing to entertain any absurd thought could be come a Tea Party trade mark if you continue with such nonsense.

Aix, good point.

Someone corrected me yesterday on that word, so I am passing it on.

it is “Martial” Law

PII

Absolutly…but I’d add Mr. POTUS first!

I see that your posted name is F86…you do realize the F86 has long been outdated.

…I’ll add that you’re a little behind in your Marxist/Alinsky studies…most of us are familiar with rule# 6 and your over-use of it…

5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.”

OOPS, my bad…rule# 5…

The answer is the Constitution, and States rights OVER Federalism.

CP, please try to think a little below the surface.

They gave us the “Railroads”
They developed the Oil fields
They gave employment to the coal miners

Sure they made alot of money doing it. There is nothing wrong with that.

Yes, I am jealous of them that they made so much
Yes, I am mad at them becuase of the way they exploited the Poor workers.

BUT……the damned FACT here is, they ARE doers!! Why dont you get that?

I’ll say it again.. Capitalism builds things! Is that simple enough for you?

Or are you saying that it doesn’t? and if so how is living in that Fantasy world helping you?

iPhone: Who’s the real manufacturer? (It isn’t Apple)
By Texyt Staff – Fri, 06/29/2007 – 11:45. AsiaOpinionTechnology
Who makes the iPhone? If you answered ‘Apple’, you’re wrong. The iPhone is a global effort. Tens of thousands of people at more than 30 companies on 3 continents work together to make Apple’s first phone possible.

Apple, of course, designs the product, and also created the single most important ‘component’ – the software that gives the iPhone its unique personality.

But, while Apple gets the credit, behind the scenes there are a host of other players, each of which has to build and deliver complex parts on schedule to make the iPhone possible.

Some of them are well known names, like US-based Intel, which supplies the NOR flash chips which hold the iPhone’s updatable system software; and Korea’s Samsung, which makes the video processor IC. Two famous names from consumer electronics, Japan’s Sharp and Sanyo Epson, are among the suppliers of the phone’s bright 3.5-inch display.

Unknown suppliers
Then there are the unknowns, each of which plays a small but vital role. Ever heard of Balda AG? Chinese factories owned by this German firm make the touch sensitive modules which are fixed onto the iPhone’s LCD to make its innovative multi-touch control possible. It’s also Balda’s technology which allowed Apple to switch to a tough scratch-resistant glass screen, to avoid the complaints over scratching that tainted the iPod Nano launch.

Another low profile firm, the UK’s Cambridge Silicon Radio (CSR), is the creator of the iPhone’s Bluetooth module, in a deal that reportedly earns the integrated circuit design house $1.20 for each iPhone made.

You might have heard of the companies behind a few of the other iPhone chips – if you’ve ever wrestled with network driver installation on a PC. Marvell designs the WiFi chip, for example. Broadcom, best known for its networking chips, is the company behind the specialized interface chip that interprets the movement of your fingers on the multitouch screen.

While these chips are designed in Europe or the US, most of them aren’t made there. Instead they are rolling off production lines in Asia, from companies like Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co (TSMC), undoubtedly the world’s biggest unknown chip maker, or its slightly smaller rival, United Microelectronic Corp (UMC) – both companies are based in Taiwan.

The distinctive aluminum and stainless steel iPhone case is also made by a Taiwanese firm, Catcher Technology, according to analysts in Taiwan.

Final assembly mystery

No matter where the iPhone’s myriad components are made, they all end up in one place: the factories of a lead contractor whose identity is now something of a mystery. Apple’s iPod manufacturing partner, Taiwan’s Foxconn, was long rumored to be the company that assembled the hundreds of components into a sleek iPhone. However, Foxconn’s CEO recently surprised investors by telling them that these reports were incorrect, according to Reuters. Another likely Taiwanese candidate, Quanta, is rumored to be working on the iPhone, but only on the next generation, so-called ‘iPhone 2.0′.

Analysts in Foxconn’s home base of Taipei however, still confidently list Foxconn International Holdings as the iPhone’s assembler, despite the company CEO’s apparent denial. Whoever the assembler is, it is there that the chips are planted onto printed circuit boards supplied by Taiwan’s Unimicron Technology Corp. Then all the components are fitted into the metal and plastic case to make a completed iPhone, ready for shipment to the US.

A second 3G iPhone?
During recent months, sources at a few of the component manufacturers named in this article have told regional media that Apple appears to be working on two different iPhone designs. The key feature attributed to ‘iPhone 2.0′ is 3G, as well as the GSM standard supported by the original iPhone. At least one of the smaller components suppliers has reportedly already delivered parts for this forthcoming product.

iPhone Primary Contractors – a partial list Software and design Apple USA
Assembly Foxconn?, Quanta, Unknown Taiwan
TFT-LCD Screen Sanyo Epson, Sharp, TMD Japan
Video processor chip Samsung Korea
Touch screen overlay Balda Germany
Bluetooth chip Cambridge Silicon Radio UK
Chip manufacture TSMC, UMC Taiwan
Baseband IC Infineon Technology Germany
WIFI Chip Marvell USA
Touch screen control chip Broadcom USA
CMOS chip Micron USA
NOR Flash ICs Intel, SST USA
Display Driver chip National Semi, Novatek US, TW
Case, Mechanical parts Catcher, Foxconn Tech Taiwan
Camera lens Largan Precision Taiwan
Camera module Altus-Tech, Primax, Lite On Taiwan
Battery Charger Delta Electronics Taiwan
Timing Crystal TXC Taiwan
Passive components Cyntec Taiwan
Connector and cables Cheng Uei, Entery Taiwan

Note: This article is based on information supplied by KGI Securities, CLSA Asia-Pacific, published media reports, and other sources in Asia.

Update June 30: Some of the first iPhones sold have been dismantled, and more information about components is emerging. For example, iFixit identifies Samsung as the manufacturer of the main NAND flash chips, and SkyWorks as the designer of the mobile radio amplifier. Think Secret has also carried out an iPhone teardown – in the linked photo the large chip at the bottom of the shot is the Samsung flash chip.

There are only a handful of coputer made in the USA, but with parts from all over the world.
So my point is eddie, they created most of the jobs overseas.
http://www.computersmadeinusa.com/

Holy smoke Jibbs! You’re gonna give yerself Carpal Tunnel!

iPhone: Who’s the real manufacturer? (It isn’t Apple)
By Texyt Staff – Fri, 06/29/2007 – 11:45. AsiaOpinionTechnology
Who makes the iPhone? If you answered ‘Apple’, you’re wrong. The iPhone is a global effort. Tens of thousands of people at more than 30 companies on 3 continents work together to make Apple’s first phone possible.

Apple, of course, designs the product, and also created the single most important ‘component’ – the software that gives the iPhone its unique personality.

But, while Apple gets the credit, behind the scenes there are a host of other players, each of which has to build and deliver complex parts on schedule to make the iPhone possible.

Some of them are well known names, like US-based Intel, which supplies the NOR flash chips which hold the iPhone’s updatable system software; and Korea’s Samsung, which makes the video processor IC. Two famous names from consumer electronics, Japan’s Sharp and Sanyo Epson, are among the suppliers of the phone’s bright 3.5-inch display.

Unknown suppliers
Then there are the unknowns, each of which plays a small but vital role. Ever heard of Balda AG? Chinese factories owned by this German firm make the touch sensitive modules which are fixed onto the iPhone’s LCD to make its innovative multi-touch control possible. It’s also Balda’s technology which allowed Apple to switch to a tough scratch-resistant glass screen, to avoid the complaints over scratching that tainted the iPod Nano launch.

Another low profile firm, the UK’s Cambridge Silicon Radio (CSR), is the creator of the iPhone’s Bluetooth module, in a deal that reportedly earns the integrated circuit design house $1.20 for each iPhone made.

You might have heard of the companies behind a few of the other iPhone chips – if you’ve ever wrestled with network driver installation on a PC. Marvell designs the WiFi chip, for example. Broadcom, best known for its networking chips, is the company behind the specialized interface chip that interprets the movement of your fingers on the multitouch screen.

While these chips are designed in Europe or the US, most of them aren’t made there. Instead they are rolling off production lines in Asia, from companies like Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co (TSMC), undoubtedly the world’s biggest unknown chip maker, or its slightly smaller rival, United Microelectronic Corp (UMC) – both companies are based in Taiwan.

The distinctive aluminum and stainless steel iPhone case is also made by a Taiwanese firm, Catcher Technology, according to analysts in Taiwan.

Final assembly mystery

No matter where the iPhone’s myriad components are made, they all end up in one place: the factories of a lead contractor whose identity is now something of a mystery. Apple’s iPod manufacturing partner, Taiwan’s Foxconn, was long rumored to be the company that assembled the hundreds of components into a sleek iPhone. However, Foxconn’s CEO recently surprised investors by telling them that these reports were incorrect, according to Reuters. Another likely Taiwanese candidate, Quanta, is rumored to be working on the iPhone, but only on the next generation, so-called ‘iPhone 2.0′.

Analysts in Foxconn’s home base of Taipei however, still confidently list Foxconn International Holdings as the iPhone’s assembler, despite the company CEO’s apparent denial. Whoever the assembler is, it is there that the chips are planted onto printed circuit boards supplied by Taiwan’s Unimicron Technology Corp. Then all the components are fitted into the metal and plastic case to make a completed iPhone, ready for shipment to the US.

A second 3G iPhone?
During recent months, sources at a few of the component manufacturers named in this article have told regional media that Apple appears to be working on two different iPhone designs. The key feature attributed to ‘iPhone 2.0′ is 3G, as well as the GSM standard supported by the original iPhone. At least one of the smaller components suppliers has reportedly already delivered parts for this forthcoming product.

iPhone Primary Contractors – a partial list Software and design Apple USA
Assembly Foxconn?, Quanta, Unknown Taiwan
TFT-LCD Screen Sanyo Epson, Sharp, TMD Japan
Video processor chip Samsung Korea
Touch screen overlay Balda Germany
Bluetooth chip Cambridge Silicon Radio UK
Chip manufacture TSMC, UMC Taiwan
Baseband IC Infineon Technology Germany
WIFI Chip Marvell USA
Touch screen control chip Broadcom USA
CMOS chip Micron USA
NOR Flash ICs Intel, SST USA
Display Driver chip National Semi, Novatek US, TW
Case, Mechanical parts Catcher, Foxconn Tech Taiwan
Camera lens Largan Precision Taiwan
Camera module Altus-Tech, Primax, Lite On Taiwan
Battery Charger Delta Electronics Taiwan
Timing Crystal TXC Taiwan
Passive components Cyntec Taiwan
Connector and cables Cheng Uei, Entery Taiwan

Note: This article is based on information supplied by KGI Securities, CLSA Asia-Pacific, published media reports, and other sources in Asia.

Update June 30: Some of the first iPhones sold have been dismantled, and more information about components is emerging. For example, iFixit identifies Samsung as the manufacturer of the main NAND flash chips, and SkyWorks as the designer of the mobile radio amplifier. Think Secret has also carried out an iPhone teardown – in the linked photo the large chip at the bottom of the shot is the Samsung flash chip.

There are only a handful of computer made in the USA, but with parts from all over the world.
So my point is eddie, they created most of the jobs overseas.
http://www.computersmadeinusa.com/

You remind me of a monkey in a cage throwing poop, screaming stupidly and laughing at your own antics.

Not really a pretty picture.

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

and also re-nurturing themselves with it.

When the demo-rats controlled all three branches of government couldn’t pass a budget, and now the parasites(non-working where’e my free handouts) protesting wallstreet want to end capitalism. Your just another troll hanging out with the working class.

The only fact about you F86 is the fact that you need to make that popping sound. Obama is a muslim, from his own mouth he states he is a muslim, how much more fact do you need? It will be quite a while yet before we can get off oil, so the most logical path to take would be to drill and keep working at renuables. Our Govt. is evil and corrupt and anyone who says otherwise likes it that way and is evil and corrupt also, Doc Sarvis, fast eddie, big K etc., etc.. People satan was given dominion over this earth and anyone that has half a brain can see which way this evilness is leading us, and obama is the leader

up the hill
airborne

Hey Freedom Fighter it looks like Murf is the one slinging the poop.None of us have said that government isn’t corrupt just that Wall Street and Corporations can be even more corrupt and evil. Your too busy hiding behind one equation and totally ignoring the other.Keep encouraging solid decent Corporations and good government but don’t be so blinded as you claim the other side is.

I believe the knee jerk action has got the best of most of you. ~ I wasn’t advocating anything! I posted what was proposed, so Jump back Jack, your are a little quick on the trigger Hip Shot.

But since you open the doors, ~ It’s true that advanced design has been on the self of Eastern Europe for some time, ~ while your numbers are embellish somewhat to support your fever. American markets quite simple wasn’t ready for them, not with cheap fuel available. ~ I’ve been in the energy management field at various stages and levels for over 40 years, both on land and sea. The States has been behind a good 20 years I will admit. ~ If you stop to consider the US helped both Japan and Europe retool after world war II while not bothering to itself only then might your numbers be correct. ~ But as far as product goes 10 to 20 at best today and the gap is now closing.

Few American were willing to buy it! and the only reason that they did was because of Federal mandates and incentives.

So I think you are little wet with you suggestion of federal interference impeding advanced markets.

In as far as tax and spend, ~ you can expect being taxed regardless, and money is truly worthless unless you threaten to spent it or commit it.

Unless some major tax reform is right around the corner( and I don’t see any coming) we are not going to be taxed any less REGARDLESS what might happen.

So I don’t expect Government to Tax and Save. The only question you should be asking yourself is what will they spend it on. For a good 8 years money was poorly spent and today we are left spending more by virtue of military commitment and propping up failing “systems” brought on by failed spending practices.

Now if you wish to discuss Tax reform, that a different ball game and another level of discussion.

I personally don’t believe under the current system everyone’s is toting an equatable load and the volume or the bulk of the load is shouldered by people making under 100,000 dollars per year. I believe every working person in America should be able to feel like that they too contributed to their nations general fund and are vested American and take some comfort and pride in being a part of the American experience.

bob,
First & foremost, my name isn’t Hip Shot. I don’t know exactly to whom you were addressing your largely confusing tirade, but I didn’t quote any figures. I was merely responding to your attempt to prop up the O’boy’s “jobs plan” by stating what was supposedly in the bill. I asked you to look very carefully at your OWN post about all the SPENDING. And what did you do? well, you did what anyone would do when caught in an illogical thought & corrected with logic…..attack the messenger. Except you didn’t quite succeed. You responded with an even more confusing tirade. Did you actually have a point in all this?

My apologies Sir, I was confronting an attack from all sides.

So do any of you expect returns without investment?

We are waiting for people to invest and if they don’t what do you do?

You create a climate that makes investment a good idea. If Big Business fails to lead the way, who is left?

There should be other things worthy of investment beside “WAR”. America need to get beyond this sense of need of war to power their factories.

This dominant mindset is making the 21 century more complicated then it needs to be.

Money come from demand. ~ Where do you think it comes from?

You take away demand, what are you left with? Paper or plastic? ~ or gold. Yummy!

Well Brad, I enjoy your argument and apericate the shell game nature of the problem it presents if projected over many years time not to consider attempting to undo something that has been in effect a few years has proved to be most difficult.

But I guess you know you a suggesting that if people could keep more of their earning as a bad thing?

Bob wire,

It’s pretty bad when Ohmama has to use the lame duck congress (Nov 10-Jan 11) to pass a bill which includes those FICA tax cuts. Sure everyone likes a little extra money in their pockets but not at the expence of SS and Medicare receipts, so who’s playing the shell game, Ohmama and company. Answer this why was the cut for one year only? I have a pretty good idea, to use the tax as a way tell the voters republicans want to raise everyones tax’s but in reality we would be reinstalling a tax to keep SS and Medicare funded. Lets wait a second, won’t the bush era tax cuts expire in Dec 2012, is Ohmama going to run a campaign to keep those cuts or will he try to allow them to expire. Headlines across the nation, “President Ohmama allows largest tax increase in national history” this from a president who wants to tax and spend us to death.

Bob wire,

Just think about this, reduced SS payments due to reduced FICA payments, so who’s playing games now, friend.

I choose to look for viable solutions – NOT bury my head in the sand.

Doc, what you have bought hook line and sinker is the left’s total destruction of the oil and natural gas industry. To retrofit my home with solar panels and electric power converter to include all the battery’s, then there’s the installation, with all said it comes out around 25-35K. Battery’s tend to wearout within three to five year’s so you have that replacement cost looming, storm damage, cells going bad, damage to electrical wiring caused by animals or fluctuations in power. Right now we don’t live in a perfect world as the left would have you believe, we live in a world were oil is the best option for today, no one says renewable energy is bad but right now renewable energy costs us more to produce. I do believe in time technology will catch up and replace oil, today renewable energy is costly were the vast majority can’t afford it. Prime example is ethanol, it’s heavily government subsidised cost more to produce and when added to gasoline produces less bang for the buck.

Brad, what you are missing is that 99.99% of the people are completely enslaved to the “system” = electricity, heat, gasoline, FOOD, etc. What happens if a natural disaster or terrorist attacks kill the “grid systems”? THINK about it.

Brad:

Good post. However, I have found that ethanol gasoline gives me the same MPG as non-ethanol gasoline. I figure the milage on every tank out to the third digit and the ethanol does not vary from the non-ethanol.

What I do find that destroys my MPG is the re-foumulated gas that crops up every Fall due to liberal meddeling and forcing this on the public. My MPG drops 20%, usually beginning in October and running into about March.

Evern using my Obama Energy Plan – aka tire gauge – and pumping in another 2 -4 Lbs. does not help and it causes my tires to wear improperly. That makes it necessary to buy new tires sooner than need be. And….. what is used to make tires? You guessed it! Petroleum!

Alx:

That is why there are so many “preppers” today that the libs on this site castagate and make fun of.

Do you read the Monday articles by Peggy Layton and others on this site?

Aix Sponsa,

I have to agree with you, today our society is ever so dependent on electricity, food, gas and all the creature comforts. When hurricane Irene came ashore a few short months ago, my region was hit hard, I lost power for three days, other weren’t as lucky, it took a week or longer for them. What did save my grocery bill a back up generator a friend let me barrow and having a propane stove for cooking to include a propane hotwater heater.

Old Henry,

I hear ya, I drive an eight year old SUV with a 4.6 liter V-8 in town with an ethanol blend E85 I get around 15 to 15.5 MPG with strait gas it goes up to 16 to 17 MPG. You are definetly right about blended gas in the fall and winter my gas milage goes down to 14 MPG and I do the samething you do, winterize and keep my tires at 35 PSI and don’t idle the engine too long, especially on cold mornings when it’s 10 degrees, all your doing is idling your gas away.

“I have found that ethanol gasoline gives me the same MPG as non-ethanol gasoline.”

I have not done a comparison myself but from talking to others it seems to depend on the vehicle. Some (especially newer) vehicles get the same milage on either and some vehicles do not get as good a milage on ethanol gas.

IT,

As a part time mechanic older vehicles that weren’t designed with a flexfuel engine tend to get worse gas milage with E85 then strait gas. That also includes the fuel system, lines, filters and fuel injectors, ethanol has been found to cause older systems to deteriorate. What is evan worse, all the older collector cars, if an owner replaces the entire fuel system so their fuel system doesn’t degrade then he/she can’t sell the car as original.

Alx:

I have been trying for several years now to ween myself off of FOOD. So far without success.

Doc
never forget that you must keep the horse alive and healthy until the race is run.A simple statement think about it !!

As long as oil is bought and sold using the dollar as currency you will be in bed with the arab countries. period. Doesn’t matter who is president.
So your Muslim article is stupid.

Then you need to get off your duff and tell your representatives we need to become energy independent. Building the said pipeline will generate thousands of new jobs and when we start drilling for our own oil it will create evan more new jobs. When and if that may happen this country will become so flush with money we won’t know what to spend it on.

AMEN, good comment. At the same time we individuals must make steps to “live without the support grid” of electricity, gasoline, gas heat, and FOOD. Does anyone realize that the total USA food reserve is 3 weeks???? Think a massive snow storm is bad news? A couple years ago I spent 19 days without electricity, 12 days with no running water, a week with no cell system, 2 weeks with no landline, several days of no transportation, and the stores were almost empty anyway….. but I had heat that did not require electricity to operate, and plenty of food and stored water. THINK ABOUT IT.

Brad:

“this country will become so flush with money we won’t know what to spend it on.”

Fear not, the liberals will find SOMETHING.

Alx:

And then you moved out of Detroit!

Old Henry,

They will start another social program to know where, trains no one and gives free money to bums and vagrants.

Doc is correct again. Alternatives are still in their infancy just like oil was 100 years ago. Even electricity was once in it’s infancy and now everyone has it.Alternatives will grow and become a valuable energy asset to our growing demands so I’m not sure why the author insists on only playing up one side.That makes me suspicious of his motives and one track mind. He says we have to frack for more gas when that is already being done across this country. West Texas is pumping from new wells and the same here in Colorado so the author is extremely biased in his opinion. There are hundreds of wells on the North Shore of Alaska and more are in the works. (I’m personally against these new wells for environmental reasons)but none the less they are there. As Doc says there are few places where oil will be easy to get to and there is not as much sweet oil left. What we do have (like the tar sands) is more expensive to get to and more costly to process. If and when the Keystone XL pipeline is built many square miles of farmland will be eaten up and some homeowners back yards.Numerous chemicals also have to be used within the pipeline because tar sands are too heavy to move on there own. So if we are looking for cheap oil that won’t happen and prices could increase.

” Alternatives are still in their infancy just like oil was 100 years ago.”

Exactly. Since they are in their infancy we CANNOT rely on them for a significant portion of our energy needs. Hopefully continued researdh will provide the efficiencies needed to make alternative energy sources viable but we are far from that point.

You should be more honest with yourself as to how much we are actually proping up the oil industry with all sorts of subsidies in order to keep us addicted to crude (including the cost of wars in both financial terms and human lives). By the way, solar and wind are just two of many alternatives (established and emerging).

I have read the first of his two books and have a full appreciation of his Christian life.

I guess you missed the part where he said if it came down to war, he would side with the muslums

Apparently not since he has expanded the wars against the Muslims and authorized taking out terrorists.

eddie47d says, “Apparently not since he has expanded the wars against the Muslims and authorized taking out terrorists.”

Yeah, right…he expanded the war for more crony war profiteers and has supported the Muslim Brotherhood in the downfall of Egypt, Lybia, Syria and in the USA. Quite an expansion of war against the Muslims…NOT!

Obama’s uncritical stance toward Islamic organizations included American groups with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, despite the Brotherhood’s stated goal of “eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within.”

It was Obama who chose the head of a Muslim Brotherhood-linked group, Ingrid Mattson, who was then president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), to give an Islamic prayer at the National Cathedral on Obama’s Inauguration Day – despite the fact that the previous summer, federal prosecutors rejected a request from ISNA to remove its unindicted co-conspirator status.

Even worse, in April 2009, Obama appointed Arif Alikhan​, the deputy mayor of Los Angeles, as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development at the Department of Homeland Security. Just two weeks before he received this appointment, Alikhan (who once called the jihad terror group Hizballah a “liberation movement”) participated in a fundraiser for the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC). Like ISNA, MPAC has links to the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Muslim Brotherhood​ is a pro-Sharia group; and Obama’s chief adviser on Islamic affairs, Dalia Mogahed​, is a pro-Sharia Muslim.

In light of all this, it is no accident that Obama specifically invited representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood to attend his notorious speech to the Islamic world in Cairo in June 2009. Nor should it come as any surprise that he is taking a sanguine view of the Muslim Brotherhood’s taking part in a new Egyptian government.

After all, Brotherhood operatives are in the American government and working closely with it, thanks to Barack Obama​. Why shouldn’t the same situation prevail in Tunisia, Lebanon, Egypt, Yemen…?

The riots in the Middle East have been manifested by the Muslim Brotherhood.
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/02/03/barack-obama-and-the-muslim-brotherhood/

You’re too funny Jeff. What utter nonsense from your catalog of fabrications. Obama never supported the Muslim Brotherhood they just happened to be there in those countries. During our revolution there were many opposing forces who were for and against us. Various other countries like the French and several Indian tribes took sides but the Revolution still went on.Your exaggerations only exceed your ignorant ploys.

eddie…

The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don’t know anything about.
Wayne Dyer

Jeff peddles lies and then becomes deceitful about it. Is that a double lie?

eddie…LMAO again, wah, wah, wah…prove me wrong instead of some silly meaningless drivel…that’s what other do to you, prove you wrong.

You have the same opportunity as anyone else here to refute what anyone says. OOPS! Forgot, you’re just a liberal with no facts and no proof to back-up up what is said…other than your usual childish, nonsensical blather.

I do prove you wrong and you respond with childish nonsense. Polly Want A Cracker or some other ridiculous BS. You hide you dishonesty with more frivolous spiced up crap.

Another example of an eddie lie…

eddie says
October 12, 2011 at 6:40 pm
I do prove you wrong and you respond with childish nonsense. Polly Want A Cracker or some other ridiculous BS. You hide you dishonesty with more frivolous spiced up crap.

LIAR!

Doc:

How about all this “green” energy, which requires rare earth metals, putting us at the mercy of Communst China who controls about 90% of them? Did you miss that article last week?

“By the way, solar and wind are just two of many alternatives (established and emerging).”

Name several of these additional alternatives and tell us how much promise each has.

For those who do purchase solar they usually come out ahead and some do go off the grid. Solar is a viable system for homes and businesses and the more people that convert the more heating oil will be available for other homeowners or businesses. We will always be dependant on oil(even from the Arab world) so every resource and means should be encouraged.

eddie, read my post above, please provide a link to your claim. Between the cost to install solar or wind and the maint., it would take 20 to 40 years to recover your costs.

And the death of American soldiers is worth just how many gallons of gas?

Doc, that is a myopic view. Certainly I despise the fact that our soldiers die for a seemingly useless situation. Most people cannot understand that the reason the USA fights in the middle east is to give HOPE to many muslim countries to become a democracy and remain friendly to the USA. When the muslims do finally unite against the infidel (WW3 has begun), they will control 70% of the world’s oil production and have us on our knees begging. You think that we might be sitting hungry in dark and cold houses then? Driving an hour to work? If there is any work. People should interpret their bibles from the muslim/infidel standpoint. THAT IS the real WW3.

Doc and eddie, you “Ladies” will stop at nothing to win, even make ridiculously stupid comments.

Did you GIRLS ever do a little research and figure how we are going to convert EVERYTHING WE USE on a daily basis to solar or wind power?
Lets get real here!!!__Even if in time you do manage to convert it, your swapping one energy for another. If ya go mainly all electric, the electric bills will be more outlandish than they all ready are now!__WIND POWER??_ Peta and the EPA are b*tech in’ up a storm because of the amount of bird kills,from Jetliners and oil spills.
In California, The Enviro Whack jobs choose to save a stupid endangered fish, over water for a farmers crops which is for human consumption!__
There is already countless of number of bird kills from the wind turbines already being used, but ya never hear a d*nm thing about that, do you?
There is nothing wrong with clean air and not slopping up our waterways. But when you Enviro wackers get involved, ya want to change EVERYTHING IN A FRICKIN INSTANT. Face it girls, Fossil Fuels are going to be around a while and there is nothing your gonna do to stop it.
Washington needs to stop the crazy politics and allow drilling here in the states. Further more they need to lighten up this regulation and tax to get this economy rolling again. The “STIMULOUS” BILL DIDN’T stimulate anything but everyone’s anger!

We have no business bombing other countrys in the first place. Just think how much oil, money and lives that would save. But from what you are posting, it sounds like you are in favor of the United States invading oil rich countrys and making war on them with oil being the only reason.

And if you think that invading these countrys is in some way protecting the US, you are 100% wrong.
How would you feel in these countrys invaded the US because they wanted our oil or if they had a kill list? I think you would be pi$$ed off and angry too.

Solar Power Installation Breakdown
Posted: 2009-10-03
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There is a great deal of misinformation circulating about the cost of installing a solar power system, specifically a roof-mounted photovoltaic (PV) one. The fact is, $25,000-$60,000 to buy a solid, sensible PV system for your family’s home is a lot of money, so it is quite reasonable for prospective buyers to want to know where the money gets spent, and how.

It is important to remember that you are essentially pre-paying your electric power for the next 25 or so years. Your investment up front will be repaid to you in dependable solar energy as long as you have an honest, knowledgeable solar installer do the work for you). For this article, we will discuss the installation of a 3kW system, which is the average size for a family of three or four in a 2,500 sq. ft. house.

An Overview
Here’s a full breakdown of component prices, let’s look at the overall picture seeing how big each “slice” of component or labor is compared to the whole. With many years of experience and information coming in from all over the world, solar-related non-profits and trade associations have come up with some pretty accurate numbers about residential installations:

Complete systems installed: $8-$10/watt
1 kW System: $11-12,000
2 kW System: $16-20,000
3 kW System: $24-30,000 (present example)
4 kW System: $31-35,000
Components:
Solar modules: $4-7/watt, approximately 60% of total cost
Mounts, racks, wiring, etc.: $0.75-1.50/watt, 15% of total cost
Inverter: $0.50-1/watt, 10% of total cost
Installation: $1-3/watt, 15% of total cost
The Heart of the System – Solar Panels
The PV panels themselves are more efficient than five years ago, and will be more efficient five years hence. Still, you want to build today, or quite soon, so you would be looking at the present range of PV panel prices, which is from $4 to $7 per watt. A Kyocera or other major name panel rated at 224W is selling in mid-2009 for approximately $1100, or $5 per watt. For an example 3kW system, you’re looking at 14 of these, or $15,400.

The solar panels make up some 60% of the total cost, because the cells themselves are made primarily of pure silicon (which is expensive) and take a good deal of time to make. This is the area in which advancing technology will have the greatest impact in the mid- and long-term, and since it is the biggest cost component, total system prices will come down as solar panel prices do.

The Mounts and the Inverter
Depending on your roof’s pitch, constructions, materials and condition, mounting hardware can be a straightforward and reasonable expense. If you have to use angle mounts on the roof or ground, or even pole-mounted arrays, additional expenses may be incurred. Overall, roughly $2,000-$5,000 (depending on complexity, and system size) can be spent getting your PV panels positioned to capture the energy your home needs.

Your inverter, which can cost anywhere from $1900 to $3500 for the home we’re discussing, comes to about 10% of the total cost. You want a unit that will last as the life of your system.

Labor Costs
Even though labor is a healthy 15% of the total cost, you should not count on doing the work yourself. This is not a weekend warrior kind of project, but a painstaking project requiring several different kinds of expertise. Construction, masonry, electrical work and miscellaneous other tasks will challenge even the most experienced home handyman. For this kind of installation—the source of your family’s energy for the next three decades—you want the best help you can get.

This help can come in the form of between three and six workers, but for our example home of 2,500 sq. ft., five workers could get the job done in a matter of two or three days (16-24 hours). Carpenters, system installers and an electrician would work in concert to prepare the roof, install the mounts, set up the panels, complete the wiring and flight-test the system.

However you calculate it, a solar power system is a win-win-win situation. You win, the installer wins—and so does the planet, thanks to your decision to “go solar.”

For more information visit Lazar’s Solar Guide which offers a detailed and broad overview of Solar Power technology.BTW, this cost sheet is from 2009, and doe’s not incliude a battery bank to store power for cloudy day’s or maint.

Deep cell batterys would cost over $100.00 each and you would need atleast 6 to 8 of them. These would have to be replaced about every 5 years. Don’t forget if you take out a loan to install this system, you will have interest cost to add in to the total cost.

SO Doc and eddie, are you going to install this system, after all you said it’s viable?

BTW___ DOC and EDDIE__in pertaining to Solar_ I neglected to ask how that “SOLYNDRA” Solar Company is working out for ya? __Your Messiah did what you guys wanted and screwed it up anyway!!!__539 Million dollars and THEY WENT BANKRUPT anyway!!!???__and you’ve the nerve to b*tch at Conservatives for not siding with the Enviro wackos!!!!__

That’s just laughable!!!!

The problem Angel is that you lied coming straight out of the gate. You are very loose with the facts for I have repeatedly said over the many months that we will be dependent on oil for a very long time. I have never said otherwise and you must have been sleeping on those several days that I have said that. Now is that clear or do I have to repeat it again and again in case you are not paying attention? So maybe you are the one making “stupid and ridiculous comments”. You must have missed the day I brought up flight patterns of birds and the areas where wind turbines can be built to avoid killing them. I love birds but it is like every American city with tall glass buildings where millions of birds crash to their deaths every year. Until next time I guess we’ll just keep playing the sarcasm game.

eddie:

Just curious, how many solar panels did you have to install to power your home? Were you able to get off the grid?

Don’t have any in this community(neighborhood association) but I did have 4 panels back in the 80-90′s but not enough to get off of the grid. My good friend Dale had total solar installed earlier this year and so far it is working great and is off the grid but he still has a full winter coming up.

Old Henry,
I was wondering the same thing.

eddie47d says:
October 12, 2011 at 11:25 am
Don’t have any in this community(neighborhood association) but I did have 4 panels back in the 80-90′s but not enough to get off of the grid. My good friend Dale had total solar installed earlier this year and so far it is working great and is off the grid but he still has a full winter coming up.

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Eddie, how many sq.ft. is his house? What is his power consumption(kilowatts per month)? How much did that set up cost and did he have to get a loan to purchase it? Doe’s his system have a reserve series of batterys for cloudy days or ice/snow covered panels? It’s new now, but wait til the maint. starts to kick in.

Drilling for oil is expensive too but that doesn’t mean it can’t be done.

eddie:

Your Home Owners Association is An Ti Grrreen?! In CO? Denver / Ft. Collins area?! Say it ain’t so eddie!

I know how those things are as I have a sister in the Denver Metro area and there is one of those Nazi operations in her neighborhood. Hell, they check the color of their houses, roofs. look for cracks in the sidewalks / driveways. I just laugh, shake my head and tell her it’s a good thing I don’t live there…. I keep my place pretty well mancured and kept up, but NO ONE is going to dictate that crap to me.

Having done the research, and checked with the experts from most of the international energy commissions, it is true that the oil in the Gulf of Mexico will eventually be used up. The worst real case scenario, meaning the time frame, and we increase the usage by one million barrels per month, That oil will be gone in about 475 years. That only takes into account the oil that has been discovered to date, in the Gulf of Mexico. It does not take into account what is in any part of the rest of the world. So with that time frame, we have time to figure out other sources of energy.

John, and 475 years leaves plenty of time to develop viable, affordable alternative energy sources…if the government would allow the free market the leeway to do so…until that happens, the crony-partnership of government/green wackos will continue funneling our tax dollars and borrowed fiat money on the likes of Al Gore and crony-partners like Solyndra and GE.

Jeff’s negativity only exceeds his closed mind.

eddie…

It is better to confess ignorance than provide it.
Homer Hickam

You just proved it again about yourself and no embarrassment.What a dead soul!

In 475 years Little Barry will be 3/4 thru his 119th term in office, including this one. And his boss George will be 556 years old.

eddie, rather than just saying stupid things, why don’t you just point out what was negative and closed minded about my comment?

To accuse another of having weak kidneys, lungs, or heart, is not a crime; on the contrary, saying he has a weak brain is a crime. To be considered stupid and to be told so is more painful than being called gluttonous, mendacious, violent, lascivious, lazy, cowardly: every weakness, every vice, has found its defenders, its rhetoric, its ennoblement and exaltation, but stupidity hasn’t.

-Primo Levi

I have many times Jeff and you have become a waste of time.

eddie, YOU ARE A LIAR and you know it!

Jibbs:

I think Doc may be in the dark with or without wind.

Here’s a thought. If solar is so expensive why not have the government equip all of us with solar? That way it won’t cost us anything… Or better yet why don’t all the rich fat cat liberals pony up their cash and fix us all up with solar? Just think of the jobs they could create. Oops, I forgot, their money is their money and our money is their money.

Old Henry
eddie said his friend Dale is off the grid with solar. WOW!! his friend must be rich…..I wonder if eddie forced him to share his wealth since he was able to get off the grid and now has even more money per month to “share” with the rest of the country.

Jibbs:

LOL! However, since birds of a feather flock together I would guess eddie’s friend is also a liberal and we all know that liberal’s money is their money – as is everyone else’s money. So, no I think his buddy Dale will let eddie fend for himself.

I did have a flash, however. since the “Association” bans solar panels how ’bout eddie run an extension cord?

So Liberals who want to conserve are communists but Conservative who conserve are “obviously” more pious. LOL

eddie. Let me throw Stones here (for all of the rest of you that is what eddie calls me offereing my opinion)

“IB” is my new acronym for “I Believe”)

I was raised on farm, I was a Conservationist starting in 1968 when I did a water resources project and visited a Hydroelectric Dam with my 4-H club.

IB, We “Conservationists” know how to use our Natural Resources with Common sense and respect for the Land. IB, radicalism like envirnmentalists do not and they are Hypocrits.

IB, Most radical environmentalists are born in cities, and never really go out and experience Agriculture (IB I may be wrong)

IB Many raised in Cities agree with me and IB they buy in to Conservation of Natural Resources like I do.

IB there is a HUGE Difference between Common Sense Conservation and Ignorant Stupid Environmentalist Hype and conjecture. (Big stone here, yup yup 10-4 good buddy!)

Yes, IB most envronmentalist are absolutley my enemy in this and IB most of them are Liberals, and IB another word for Liberal is Socialist and IB another way to desribe a Socialist is a Communist!

AMEN Brother, IB!

I would say that Patriot is the full blown hypocrite and a very nasty pious one.

And I would say eddie blows hot air out both ends usualy at the same time.

Stonethrower…. is that your injun name?

“Stupid Environmentalist Hype” And as we all know that hype has very, very little to do with conservation and EVERY thing to do with control and wealth confiscation.

Stop buying the dope Opal

eddie:

Heh, heh. Sometimes your convoluted thinking just….

I may be old Chris, but not old enogh to remember whale oil. LOL!

If the government would get out of our lives I am sure entreprenours would come up with vialbe alternates. And as they did improvements would be made, efficiency would go up, costs would come down.

I do not believe Little Barrys’ green fetish is about saving the planet. I think it is about bringing down our country.

Everyone is wrong once in a while and your thinking is wrong about Obama trying to deliberately bring America down. We have lost our edge in the world but to lay it all on him doesn’t cut it.

Why should it surprise me that a guy who constantly puts words in other peoples’ mouths would claim that he knows what Obama is Thinking?

Yet Dave thinks he knows what everyone is thinking LOL

eddie__ I beg to differ, Bam Bam is SO trying to bring America down! He’s becoming more like a dictator everyday. His legislative means is by executive order. Bam Bam suggested to by pass congress & piece meal his Jobs/stimulus plan on those perticulars, that are more Bi partisan agreeable. No doubt to be riddled with triggers on issues they can’t/won’t openly debate on.

“Yet Dave thinks he knows what everyone is thinking LOL”.
You just proved my point, Eddie. You make stuff up out of whole cloth and then wonder why we think you’re a useless Troll.

Here’s another:
http://www.freetheworld.com/2011/reports/world/EFW2011_complete.pdf

Socialism has shown itself to be a failure throughout history, and still self-imagined “forward thinkers” like Doc think that this time their Hopes and Dreams will overcome Reality. Dream on, Doc.

theotherhalf,

Answer this one simple question; during the Bush administration the unemployment rate was around 4.6%, what was the cause?

Today we are sitting at 9.1% unemployment, our dollar dropping in value, oil sitting around $83.00 a barrel, gas at $3.35 a gallon, all increased since Ohmama’s election, just a few thoughts.

WRONG sir. Maybe 9% are drawing checks. At least 20% are out of work. Locally it is 35%.
Gas should be $1.50. My mandatory gasoline expense is $400 month, so in my business I must make $800 gross just to cover gas.
I would like to know whose pocket the other $2 per gallon is going into. Surely not the hated, criticized, and retired Bush.

and ‘theotherhalf’ wants you and I to believe that was George Bush’s fault too, JeffH.

Please let’s forget what George did or didn’t do! Obama has been in office for three years, which was enough time to correct the mistakes of our previous President. But instead what has happened, imployment is at an all time low, and our debts are in the trillions. When the ceiling was raised on our spending, that gave this regime the opportunity to continue spending!! As to vacations, it seems that Obama is never in D.C., but in the air flying to other states campaigning for the next election, spending the tax payers money. Enough already!! Lets bring our country back to where it was years ago, so that our children and grandchildren can enjoy living “in the land of the free and the home of the brave”.

Presidents and governments don’t directly create jobs, unless you consider government jobs which only use up wealth and not create it, businesses do. Sure a president may increase or decrease taxes which influences if jobs are made but that doesn’t create the desire in a person to build a business. People build businesses when they find that there is a way to do it which usually means that government has to get out of the way. Has anybody out there ever checked into what it takes to make a certified government approved business? It’s intimidating to say the least.

Bush had eight years, barry will only have four, unless he is jailed first.

The new world order is not a muslim system of government, it is a world order a world which will be united under an agreement bwtween world leaders (The United Nations) you need to read that which you have quoted, you got it all wrong. It all started back in the 50′s they already had a plan, do some research has nothing to do with muslims, they are just part of the equation, and do leave the Bible out of equation, God speaks the truth of the events to come,but not how you tell it.

theotherhalf,
Your reply to David makes sense HOW????

I have been in the oil business sense 1981. I engineer oil refineries. I began my career at Fluor designing the cooling towers. The US does not have nearly as much oil as the pundents & GOP candidates claim. This is a fact. The estimated total world oil reserves are expected to top out they’re max output in 25 to 30 years. After that they will begin to decline exponentially.

To address your comment about proper precautions. Spills do and will happen. Equipment fails. Humans make mistakes.

Additionally. Much of the oil we do have as well as the oil sands in Canada are very high in sulfer. This can’t be removed and so fuel created from it can’t be burned in the US, so it will be shipped to countries like China. If you care to see what burning high sulfer fuel will do, look at Mexico city & Bajing. If you live in a city you will find the air almost impossible to breath. The Keystone XL oil pipeline will not help America or our fuel prices. It will create only about 2,000 temp jobs. After that, unless you own a lot of oil stock, it will do nothing for Americans.

Reading these other postings makes me sad that so many of you speak about beliefs rather than facts. I’m talking to you “Birthers & Islama-phobs”

And for all you who religious people who believe the in the Federalist Papers… I suggest you read “If you can” the Jefferson Bible. It’s available online.

Bzzzzz wrong again doc! Obama bin Laden is a muslim and admitted it at a nationaly televised speech. Why do you and your ilk say he is a Christian? Neeeeed to get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Doc is correct again. Although Obama has a Muslim history he is now a Christian. He represents all Americans which means his duty is to support all religious faiths in America. We know that Samauri wears his religion on his sleeve and that is okay by me but then again you are not the President. As you notice most Mid-East countries also wear their religion on their sleeves and in everything they do. They live, breath, speak and are governed by religion. It also traps each and every one of their citizens. Where free speech and voting is looked down upon. Where there is no free flowing of ideas to inspire future generations. It’s fairly clear that religion should be kept out of the hands of government for theocracies poison advancements and keep citizens chained to the past. Religion is the main reason why Saudi Arabia and most Mid-East countries live in the 13th Century. Individual beliefs are beautiful and helpful to millions but not when government dictates your every move. Also it was American Standard about 100 years ago that built the Saudi oil empire. So the Saudis achieved nothing on there own.

e, why don’t you go ahead and admit the truth. It’s common knowledge that you and your ‘peers’ are beyond slavish in your devotion to the One. We know that he can do no wrong in your eyes. This ‘devotion’ is not new in history. it’s been recognized for a long time. Go ahead and look at your ‘leader’ in that special way that only true slaves can do it.
Germans have a very special word that describes slavish worship. Why you’re bashful about it is beyond me. That word, in case you haven’t figured it out yet, is fuhrer.
Now, don’t you feel better? Be advised that it’s a good idea for you to keep your uniforms in the closet, though. If you attract too much attention too soon, your ‘plans’ will meet overwhelming stiff resistance.
By the way, if you’re trying to become ‘popular’ on this website, whizzing up a tall tree wil be easier. Polish those boots, and smile for the cameras. Avoid the rush, and get your tattoos now, e.

Obama has clearly stated on video he is a muslim and that he will side with muslims. Even his wife confirmed it on video. Look it up and watch the videos.

eddie,

Christianity is a Belief, not a Religion. Make no mistake about it, a true Christian believes John 3:16, 17 and 18.

Which pretty many states that you will die in Hell and not go to Heaven unless you believe in Christ’s sacrifice and accept his death as atonement to God his Father for your sins.

That’s it, that’s all there is to being a Christian. The “works” that Christians do after they have done that, comes from the Love from God that flows through them in order to help others.

Religion can be (but does not have to be) a way of Organizing and being a “useful conduit” for God’s love to flow out to others.

SC has never been devoted to the truth so you my dear are the slave to contrived baloney each and everyday. Your morning Bzzzzz isn’t very impressive and you always leave out any facts. Hello do you have ANY knowledge upstairs or is it back in the barn with the mule? Since the fuhrer had extreme right wing goals it could be that you are hiding behind the nazi cloth and need to come out of the closet, err barn. I don’t search out popularity like you do SC as you try and be the first out of the gate, err barn each and every day. You you lack evidence of intelligence but then again you must have left it back in the barn. Bring your shovel!

eddie47d says:
October 12, 2011 at 10:21 am
SC has never been devoted to the truth so you my dear are the slave to contrived baloney each and everyday. Your morning Bzzzzz isn’t very impressive and you always leave out any facts. Hello do you have ANY knowledge upstairs or is it back in the barn with the mule? Since the fuhrer had extreme right wing goals it could be that you are hiding behind the nazi cloth and need to come out of the closet, err barn. I don’t search out popularity like you do SC as you try and be the first out of the gate, err barn each and every day. You you lack evidence of intelligence but then again you must have left it back in the barn. Bring your shovel!

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Eddie, you have never provided one link to the truth, never ever. But you sure tell some whoppers and always try to put words in peoples mouths. Like I said the other day you never tell the truth, you only repeat the lies the MSM or the government tells you.

Identifying a Pathological Liar

Pathological liars – or “mythomaniacs” – may be suffering from histrionic personality disorder or narcissistic personality disorder. The following comments basically reflect a pathological liar who has the characteristics of histrionic personality disorder.

Some characteristics

1. Exaggerates things that are ridiculous.

2. One-upping. Whatever you do, this person can do it better. You will never top them in their own mind, because they have a concerted need to be better than everyone else. This also applies to being right. If you try to confront an individual like this, no matter how lovingly and well-intentioned you might be – this will probably not be effective. It’s threatening their fantasy of themselves, so they would rather argue with you and bring out the sharp knives than admit that there’s anything wrong with them.

3. They “construct” a reality around themselves. They don’t value the truth, especially if they don’t see it as hurting anyone. If you call them on a lie and they are backed into a corner, they will act very defensively and say ugly things (most likely but depends on personality), but they may eventually start to act like, “Well, what’s the difference? You’re making a big deal out of nothing!” (again, to refocus the conversation to your wrongdoing instead of theirs).

4. Because these people don’t value honesty, a lot of times they will not value loyalty. So watch what you tell them. They will not only tell others, but they will embellish to make you look worse. Their loyalty is fleeting, and because they are insecure people, they will find solace in confiding to whomever is in their favor at the moment.

5. They may be somewhat of a hypochondriac. This can come in especially useful when caught in a lie, for example, they can claim that they have been sick, or that there’s some mysteriously “illness” that has them all stressed out. It’s another excuse tool for their behavior.

6. Obviously, they will contradict what they say. This will become very clear over time. They usually aren’t smart enough to keep track of so many lies (who would be?).

Another WikiAnswers contributor adds:

They lie about even the smallest things. For example, saying “I brushed my teeth today,” when they didn’t.
They add exaggerations to every sentence.
They change their story all the time.
They act very defensively when you question their statements.
They believe what they say is true, when everyone else knows it isn’t.

An alternate ‘checklist’:
Lies when it is very easy to tell the truth.
Lies to get sympathy, to look better, to save their butt, etc.
Fools people at first but once they get to know him, no one believes anything they ever say.
May have a personality disorder.
Extremely manipulative.
Has been caught in lies repeatedly.
Never fesses up to the lies.
Is a legend in their own mind.

More opinions and input from WikiAnswers contributors:

I have found a few differences in pathological liar and a “slime ball” liar. Pathological liars cannot tell that they are lying; they actually believe the lie as soon as it comes out of their mouth. They lie about unimportant things that don’t really matter to anyone. This can be caused by mental defect but isn’t always. Slime-ball liars lie about things that make them look better or embellish to get attention. They also lie to keep their butts out of trouble and to get what they want.

Here are things to ask yourself: How could this many things happen to one person? Would believe these stories if someone else told you? Think back to the beginning: you had red flags and alarms going off in you head. Learn to trust your instincts.

It is very hard to tell when one is a pathological liar. Some people just are liars and lie to lie because they can and they don’t care about getting caught and aware that you know they have lied. These people care not about lying, it’s no big deal. It’s like “ok, so what? I lied”. The pathological liar on the other hand, IS aware that they are lying BUT will go to extremes to make you believe that they are truthful. They appear to believe their own lies BUT in truth, they know their lies are just that, lies.

But because their efforts are constantly backing up their lies, it appears to us that they actually believe their lies, when we eventually do find out about them and then we tend to feel sorry for these people. Then they have an excuse, “I am sick, I don’t know why I lie, I believed what I was saying etc.” The only truth was the fact that they don’t know why they lie. Other than that it’s crap. It is true that most of them have an extremely low sense of self worth and are continuously trying to make themselves feel better about THEMSELVES and this is one reason they lie.

It is about them but the lies are not always set up with the purpose to hurt some one else; it’s that these people feel so low about themselves they need to create ANYTHING different from the ugly reality they feel about themselves so they lie about even the most tiniest little thing. The people closest to them get sucked into these lies which sometimes start as something very trivial and then turn into something that can turn everyone involved worlds upside down and inside out.

Unmasking the pathological liar is an easier task when the pathological liar is no more than a casual acquaintence to the “un-masker.” Close relationships provide camouflage for the pathological liar, and intimacy provides a heavily-fortressed breeding ground.
Other indicators: 1) Rage attacks after they realize you’re questioning their lies. 2) Distraction techniques, e.g. hanging up the phone when you catch them in lie, playing word games, or even just running out of the room. After using the distraction technique, or rage attack, or sometimes both, they will pretend that nothing ever happened. They re-write history, so it never did happen in their minds. Normal people do it too, but these people take it to the extreme.

From “Go Ask Alice”: Lies are unplanned and impulsive. Behavior is repeated over a long period of time. Lies don’t seem to exist for any external reason. Behavior may not always be a conscious act. Lies are admitted, changed, and/or adapted if a false story is challenged.
From Andrea Broadbent “The Truth about Truman”: To begin, the definition of pathological actually means abnormal or grossly atypical. Therefore, a pathological liar prevaricates more frequently than the average person or tells more abnormal lies. In most cases, pathological liars tell lies that are “unplanned and impulsive” (Hausman). These lies are usually very emotional stories that tend to serve no purpose except to impress people (Ford 133). As of now, psychiatrists are unsure whether or not pathological liars are fully capable of realizing if and when they are lying, so detecting whether or not a person is a pathological liar is a very difficult task (Hausman).
By looking at the list of conditions commonly connected with people considered to be pathological liars, psychiatrists are better able to determine whether or not a person might actually have the disorder. Some main qualities linked with pathological liars include dysfunctional family origin, family lying patterns, anomalies of sexual life, frequent substance abuse, and a great capacity for language.
From Raymond Lloyd Richmond, Ph.D. “Psychological Honesty”: Even a pathological liar carries deep in his heart a desire for goodness and honesty and yet, because of painful emotional wounds, believes that the world never has, and never will, recognize his pain. And so, to hide that pain from himself, he uses all the lies he can concoct to hurl at the world as he runs in fear from his own goodness.

For me, the first indication has been that I hear them tell different things to different people and they can’t all be right, because they directly contradict each other! And I am able to prove it. If you can prove over and over again that things someone is telling you are outright false, then you have a pathological liar on your hands.

With the Internet, it is now easier than ever to “fact-check” even the most mundane things. I think pathological liars often lose track of the lies they tell different people and it will eventually catch up with them.

Deed Wong the Church that Obama Wentto was No Chiristion Church thay Prached a Nong bibacle way of Liveing .He wint there Becase the Aleet Black’s went thare .

Eddie, eddie, eddie

When are we going to learn that when you are talking to zealots that call you a zealot, that they will never listen. We were on that broken record of Prez Obama’s birth certificate for far too long, and now because of the same relations with Suadi Oil that other great presidents dealt with in the same fashion, as if their Repugs won’t do business with them come their dreamed for election in 2012, all the sudden he’s a member, faithful supporter of Islam.

As AJ says:

If I remember correctly the Bush family was deeply indebted to this group (Saudis). He’s right, but repug supporters don’t want to talk about their jokester example of a prez that got us all into this mess in the first place, or the fact that Repugs were the main cause and effect for removing regulatory control on the banks in the first place. They will condemn and heckle Prez Obama for doing the same things the repug lords and masters have done and ignore when repugs are offered deals on the table that they vied for in the first place, but refuse now to merely keep our country held hostage with no concern for its health or growth.

It merely shows how desperate they are to grasp any twig to keep from drowning. In early campaign battles where their shysters are drowning as fast as they surface, they have to belittle and condemn since they have nothing but empty dreams and nightmares to hang their faith on.

I saw their desperate ad the other day proclaiming military support for good ol’ (and I mean ancient) Ron Paul, vying almost unanimous support from military personnel. In fact, his ratings dumped and splatted with military personnel as the news spread about the idiotic claims of the administration being guilty of assassinating a US citizen in Yemen. They couldn’t believe their ears! What a dumb ass for grasping that to heckle Obama about without thinking of the repercussions of the loss in military votes for spreading hyped BS in support of a known enemy of the US! Just shows-to-go-you how much they are all ate up with themselves, and so totally in the dark.

You can’t speak reason to thick-headed mentalities when they are fueled with nothing more than mere hype, pipe dreams and dimwitted policies.

One after another their candidates are falling over as the race intensifies, Bachmman, Palin and Perry…the history books will probably show this race as the one that went down in the books with the most “failed” candidates running for office in the Repug party, that never made it to the finals. It seems that every week they are pulling a new one out of their pockets to try to find some form of a worthy persona to present to the American public that either hasn’t opened their mouth at the wrong time, or merely run off with the emotionally imbalanced and misfit mentalities of a menopausal “mad cow diseased” female.

They ought to just ask Ronald McDonald to run as their candidate and that way we can throw some similar dissenting propaganda at them about worm burgers and the likes to copy-cat their Birth’r and Muslim hype.

And to robert shrugged. says:
October 12, 2011 at 10:53 am

“the cops are trained to be like puppy dogs. they do what they are told regardless of the laws and the constitution. when will you wake up and understand that we are being turned into a mindless mass of humanity that like cows follow the leaders to slaughter.”

You might want to take a look at the following site:

http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/2009/03/oath-keepers-declaration-of-orders-we.html

Hey eddie, in reply to your question:

["What kind of Christian are you that is constantly throwing stones if someone disagrees with you"]……..Are you saying that it OK for you and everyone else who is NOT a Christian to throw stones? Can you quote me the scripture that says that a Christain is not supposed to throw stones? There are some versus that speak about it but i beleive you are taking it out of context. I can explain it to you IN Context if you want.

Is it possible that I am not “throwing stones”: as you say, but presenting a different point of view?

If Opinions are stones then Yes I guess I am throwing them (to use your viewpoint).

Also you said: ["our like the fools who run around and say the Catholics ,Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons aren’t Christian."]

1. Catholics are Christians, but you don’t have to be a Catholic to be a Christian.

2. I’m not sure what a Johovah’s witness is.

3. To the best of my knowledge, Mormans beleive in the diety of Joseph Smith, they use the “Book of Morman” not the Bible. They do not beleive in accepting Jesus’ Sacrifice and death as atonement for their sins so they will be saved. They do, however believe Jesus was a Profit, they just don-t beleive he is their Savior. (that is what a Christians beleive)

you are kinda right but mostly ill-informed.

Later on you say, ["You bickerer into insanity with”your religion is better than my religion diatribe”. If Christ is your guide then you will move mountains to make America a better country and include everyone instead of trying to keep certain ones out of the American experience"] …. Christ will move Mountains, Wait for it!

And finally you say: “you seem to be the one pitting one segment against another”

If you want to see it that way, feel free to do so.

The difference Jibbs is that I present facts each and everyday and SC never provides any. So get off your high horse and quit lying. Now if you don’t like my facts then disagree with them but don’t call me a liar until you do so. You are one sad lonely puppy in making up stories.

Patriot; Let those without sin cast the first stone.In reference to the stoning of a prostitute. I wasn’t ill informed but you love those terms in describing others. Yes indeed a Conservative commentor last week said that the Catholics are not Christians. The Jehovah Witnesses know more about the Bible than most who proclaim Christianity. They and the Mormons do go out into the communities and spread the Word of the Lord so they are doing exactly what the Bible tell them to. How many Christians can honestly say that.Most like myself go to church and then go home without proclaiming the word of God. That’s is probably fine but God wants more from us.There is also no perfect religion only a perfect God.

Patriot – Christianity is a religion.

Only GOD can judge a person’s heart as to their belief, BUT we can judge the ‘fruit of the heart’. Mr. O’ has in the past laughed at the sermon on the mount Jesus gave, saying that it would be a joke to use Christ’s teaching. He has refused to participate in Christian Prayer breakfasts, all the while sponsoring Ramadan(sp) meals with Islamists.
Mr. O’ has not come out against the Christian persecution in Pakistan, Iran Egypt…etc. Recently 100 Christians were murdered by Muslims SIMPLY because they were trying to protect their churches, which are being burned down by the peace loving Muslims.
Mr. O’s record on PROTECTING CHRISTIAN’S rights to even exist, in Islamic countries is ATROCIOUS! You will try to defend him as a Christian, but it does not sell. His lack of protest about Christian Persecution worldwide is obvious.
It seems the only religion he caters to is Islam. A PRESIDENT IS SUPPOSED TO CARE FOR ALL of the citizens of the United States.

Eddie47d, my man, all that fuzz whether our present Chief Commander is a Muslim or a Christian or whatever occupies the minds of so many. What bothers me most is that “we the people” are treated like subjects. In the United States of America, “We the people” are the supreme sovereign, and absolutely where every single public servant (and this includes the sitting president) is but our servant. “We the people” lead, government follows, and only to serve as, protect and serve “we the people” well and this with utmost honesty, dedication, selflessness, dedication, creativity, commitment, initiative, efficiency and effectiveness.

Let us call a spade a spade, the current occupant residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in the nations capital is a dangerous and inept ideologue with a political agenda supported by the “elite” media, and progressive academia. Ideology makes people dumb and stupid. Employing ideology as the basis for policy is a recipe for disaster as squandering tax payers money to advance the green movement by pouring monies into solar panel manufacturing companies that do not even deserve the daylight for their existence from day-one. Surviving in a complex, uncertain environment requires flexibility, pragmatism, perhaps above- all self awareness which is non existent by our current government leadership. So far the progressive liberals do not have an argument to defend the president’s record, so they continue to resort to pulling out the old tired card of racism, class welfare and religion every time with nothing to show for in the past 3 years of Obama rule. The Obama economic policy is one big demolition derby that blocks domestic industry’s ability to expand offshore drilling, even when ordered to do so by the courts. Wallstreet is hamstrung by regulations and our government does not stop pampering companies exporting technology to the Chinese and pay the OPEC cartel members one billion dollars a day to meet our domestic energy needs, yes and these recipient countries are our enemies at best which makes the situation even worse.

“his duty is to support all religious faiths in America.”

I’m not so sure I agree that is the way it should be… I do not think that anyone in government should support, nor supress, any religon. As it is similarly stated in the first amendment of the constitution.

WaChar; Christians and Muslims are killed everyday around the world.People are persecuted in Myanmar and we don’t do anything either. The unfortunately reality is that we can’t chase after every crises and be involved with everyone who cries out. Obama or any other President wouldn’t be able to interfere in saving the world.We have stretched ourselves pretty thin as it is. The best thing to do is give to organizations that specialize in helping persecuted groups. There are Christian groups that do that and also Amnesty international.

Karel; Wall Street is hamstrung by regulations? Just the opposite for it was the lack of regulations that opened the doors for them and ruined the economy.

AIX Sponsa, could you please provide a link or website where you say Obama and his wife admit he’s a Muslum in a video?

Karolyn-Christianity is a relationship. Catholics are not Christians, and neither are Mormons and Jehovahs as is evidenced by their Christoligy/Trinity. Although Catholics believe in Christ, they hold the pope to a higher esteem, and claim he is infallible. Non-sense! Jesus claims, and rightly so, that He is the way, the truth, and the life, and that no man comes to the Father except through Him. The Catholics believe that one enters heaven through the Catholic church, and if necessary they can plead their case to Mary. They also rely on purgatory as a second chance, a safety net, which is contrary to the scripture. They also believe in salvation by works, and faith as secondary, in fact, they are never quite sure, even at the end of their life, if they are truly saved. The Roman Catholic Church is an abomination.

As for the Mormons and Jehovahs there is one principle of doctrine that the two have in common which disqualifies them from their claim that they are Christians. They both believe that the Trinity is actually comprised of the 3 separate, transcended beings, which is false. The scripture clearly states the God is one! When Jesus said the”I and Father are one”, he was not implying by that, a corporative relationship, which would necessitate two persons, rather, He was stating that He is God! They as well believe, “works to salvation”, rather then solely on faith in Christ, and here, they find common ground with the Catholic Church. You can look like one, talk like one, and even walk like one, this does not guarantee you are one. A Christian that is, and Christianity, is NOT a religion, it is a RELATIONSHIP!

Eddie, I have been reading this blog and it appears to be your own personal place to try to indoctrinate us with your gibberish…There are opinions, other than your own. Please don’t “hog the blog.” You must not have a job/life. since you are able to spend all your time, on the Internet, defaming Americans, and our Christian beliefs. I am a Christian and I don’t like you telling me what I believe and how I should act…..NOT your job!!

Doc, as he calls himself, is totally wrong, as well!

I have never heard an American Christian say: “The most beautiful sound I have ever heard is the muslim (slim ball) call to prayer!”

Nor have I heard an American Christian make the statement: “When times are troubled, I will stand with my muslim brothers.”

Nor have I ever seen an American Christian bow at the waist to the king of Saudi Arabia.”

Nor have I ever heard of an American Christian getting the Fulbright Scholarship for foreign (muslim) students.

There are pages of examples of obama’s muslim faith, but who cares to read them, over and over! This has been discussed ad nauseum. Munchy moochelle even said that obama is a muslim. He has said that he is a muslim. You are calling them both liars! I believe they know what obama believes…better than you!

There is no doubt in the minds of the majority of Americans that obama is not Christian! So, you and doc are wasting your efforts, by praising the “Christian obama.” There isn’t one…period! He is no more a Christian than he is an American!

We have a foreign, arab muslim, Marxist that claimed to be “black” so that he could get elected. This foreign arab hates our country and. as all good muslims, it is his obligation to wage war on America, which he gleefully does. The muslim usurper has lost the support of his base, many liberals and many in the democrat party.. He is becoming, “a useless tool,” and you are supporting a “loser,” no matter what you call him!

So then he’s not a student of Rev. Wright? I swear people like you are a waste of oxygen. Has anyone seen him turn towards Mecca and bounce his forehead on the floor? Muslims have to do that 5 times a day. Has anyone seen him fast for 12 hours at a time? Muslims have to do that for over a month every year. Now go get your thorzine shot.

Why do you think Rev Right is a Christian? Is he really?
How do we know that for sure, just because he says he is and he has a church? From what I have seen, if he is a Christian, he has some works that I, as a Christian, totally disagree with. From what I have seen so far, he is causing civil disorder, pitting one sector of Humans against another (promoting Victimization and Racism) Christ does not want that. That is not Christ’s ways. I also believe Jessy Jackson is a Racist and may not be a real Christian as well. from my perspective these men are “Posers”

F86, have you seen him in his bedroom? Do you watch him while he’s taking a shower, just beucase he doensa’t make it public to us doesnt mean he isn’t doing it. If he is deceiving us why would not keep that a secret?

What kind of Christian are you that is constantly throwing stones if someone disagrees with you. Your like the fools who run around and say the Catholics ,Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons aren’t Christian. You bickerer into insanity with”your religion is better than my religion diatribe”. If Christ is your guide then you will move mountains to make America a better country and include everyone instead of trying to keep certain ones out of the American experience.So you seem to be the one pitting one segment against another.

Obama says to Muslims he is a Muslim and quotes the Quran and around Christians he says he is a christian. How do we know which one is correct as he can’t be both. Allah is not the same as the God of Israel according to Muslim clerics, therefore, which God/god does he worship. For the Christian we have the warning of ravenous wolves in sheeps clothing (Matt 7:15) and by their fruits you shall know them (vs 20).

What fruit do we see from Obama? Narcissist (self-serving), pro gay marriage and refuses to uphold the rule of law (DOMA – Defense of Marriage act) which is contrary to God’s laws for marriage, pro abortion (killing of life given from God at conception), not a church attender (unless it is Pastor Wright style of socialism/wealth redistribution) and no restraint on ACLU (infact he hires them along with other radicals on his staff) against Christians. On and on it goes and only interest in Christianity is for votes so he can stay in office and finish off the Constitution and way of American life and prosperity.

Like Charley Rich said, and no one knows what goe’s on behind closed doors!

Poorman; There is a distinction between knowing something and being something. Obama is knowledgeable about the Muslim religion and also the Christian religion. I’ve been to Mexico several times and know abot the different places but that doesn’t make me a Mexican. So chill out.

You are sooo right. This seems to be a site for bigotry and ignorance.

He was born in a Christian setting, not under Muslim rule, so is NOT a Muslim by birth, and he IS a practicing Christian. NO Muslim would be caught dead attending any Christian church under any circumstances, while Mr. Obama has attended several, and held membership in at least one.

Obama is a Communist, which in itself is Godless. He does appear to lean over backwards for Islam. He claims to be Christian, but as they say: actions speak louder than words, and I can’t remember him doing anything that would say he is Christian. One thing you need to remember in this debate. Both Communism and Islam have as one of their central tenents, that Lying for the cause is not a sin. Obama is the master of the lie, so the world may never know what his inner thoughts are. He is driven by the training he has received by Communists, from birth to the present.

surely you know by now, that that man will do anything for a vote to get re-elected, deceit, lying, whatever it takes……haven’t heard anything more about his beer-making in the WH either….

So sad for you.

I certainly would not call the church he attended a Christian church.

And as EdinNola stated, he is a consumate liar.

CP, No One is a born into Christianity.

Christians beleive you are born a sinner.

Then Patriot it is high time you took the Conservative liars and sinners to task and expose them as you try and expose Liberals. An innuendo about Obama or anyone is a lie unless proven so that makes everyone on this site a liar. SC makes assumptions and lies everyday so will you berate her or accept her slander? Is she a true Christian or is she working for the devil?

eddie says, “An innuendo about Obama or anyone is a lie unless proven so that makes everyone on this site a liar. SC makes assumptions and lies everyday…”

This comment coming from someone that believes “opinions can be facts” and is proven a liar each and every day he posts his comments.

eddie lost the vote of confidence on this board by an overwhelming 20 – 0…that was Twenty no confidence votes to ZERO…nuff said…
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eddie47d says:
August 21, 2011 at 11:30 am
An opinion can be a fact or just an opinion on a subject. What should we call your “opinions” Song? Maybe you are too “opinionated” to answer that.

Eddie says: September 29, 2011 at 3:20 pm
You never prove me a liar even though you keep insisting it’s true.

August 21, 2011 at 1:49 pm
You said this, Eddie, you lying slanderer — “We do see Jeff and Dave H. making personal threats (mostly mocking) against those they disagree with. That is everyday right Dave?”.
Here is the link to the comment where Eddie said that:
http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/government/downgrading-obama/#comment-524269

…another lie…
September 30, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Since Dave and the Conservative want to take away the minimum wage,workers benefits and other compensations I wonder how he expects these workers to save anything if they are not doing it now.

August 21, 2011 at 11:49 am
WE(Eddie believes he speaks for everyone else) means everyone on this site Jeff or do you live in a bubble? Am I a liar? Apparently you think so and shout it from the roof top. If someone says something you don’t like doesn’t make that person a liar. If you can’t come up with a comment that proves me wrong then there is no lie. The lie would only be in your hurt feelings when you can’t prove me wrong.You slash and burn with slander(calling me a liar) instead of presenting the “correct answer” or don’t you have any correct answers from your own thoughts.

August 21, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Can you substantiate my apparent lies Jeff? WE are all waiting with baiting breath to see what you can come up with next. Your wild accusations are like a cannon ball rolling down a hill looking for a place to land. You are either obsessed or mentally unstable.

August 21, 2011 at 11:39 am
Dave H can be a liar and a slanderer.As a matter of fact Jeff can also be a liar and a slanderer. You keep on doing it so I will assume the rest of us will have to put up with your occasional “fib”. I love when Dave says he didn’t say something when the words are right there in print. I may be misinterpreted in what I say but I won’t say that it wasn’t my words like Dave does.

August 19, 2011 at 7:27 pm
If someone is not a Libertarian (according to Jeff and maybe Jana)they have to be a communist. There is certainly nothing wrong with being a Libertarian except for the arrogance that flows from some of it’s members mouths.
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As Jibbs stated, eddie is a “pathalogical liar” and completely delusional as his mindless comments prove.

…add this to eddies “LIE” list…the man(?)is just a pathalogical liar!

eddie47d says:
October 12, 2011 at 12:41 pm

The difference Jibbs is that I present facts each and everyday and SC never provides any. So get off your high horse and quit lying. Now if you don’t like my facts then disagree with them but don’t call me a liar until you do so. You are one sad lonely puppy in making up stories.

I’m not sure who Jeff is desperately trying to impress but the gig is up for him. I’ll stand by each and everything I say Jeff and you are proving me right. I encourage all to read Jeff’s silly thread without projecting the facts behind those comments. He won’t because it exposes him and not me. Isn’t this about the 7th time you’ve printed up the SAME baloney but never come forth with any lies that I have made. Go crawl back into your small mind where you can indeed live with your corrupted lies.

CP pull your head out of your A$$ please. Right now in Egypt they are killing muslim Christians, your lie’s are only getting worse.

up the hill
airborne

eddie…

The greatest barrier to someone achieving their potential is their denial of it.
Simon Travaglia

Murf: There is no such thing as a Muslim Christian. You may have meant Arab Christian but just to prove a point about Jeff. He will pick out some nonsense about me and ride it like a horny dog but he missed your glaring error. That is why it is easy to tell that he is biased and full of it . If I had said Muslim Christian he’d write about it for weeks and claim I don’t know history. (which he has done).

eddie says Wah, Wh, Wah! Mother…make him stop!

Thanks for responding Jeff which only points out that you are the fabricator of facts. You know Never Happened!

You are correct, Obama is a Muslim. Don’t pay attention to what he says, look at his deeds (anti-Christian-pro-Muslim). Even his book says he will side with the Muslims every time.

Skynight,
And, no one ever said he was a good Muslim. He may be practising Taqqiyah, the art of lying to the infidel to make them believe WHATEVER he wants them to believe.

Jana, BINGO

Samurai–ancient name; old ideas.

For God and countrie’s sake, Samari, you need to finish the third grade before you try to push your thoughts on us as if they were facts. Are you the product of a southern education (long on preaching and screw the learnin’?

You claim he is a Muslim but decry the fact that he spent 20 years in a Christian church led by Jeremiah Wright. Make up your mind.

Samurai, since when have you ever-brought facts to the table. And what and who gives you or any other the right to say who is and who is not Christian. If being a Christian means being like you and some others with your antichrist, and Hitler monikers for the president I pass on the opportunity. Yea I watch you go to church on Sunday only to forget all you learned on Monday. The only proof you have ever had is some other Reich wing nuts so called proof.

Samurai, when will bring facts to the conversation?????

Sarvis never lets the truth stand in his way.

And Doc, your blind as a bat !

HE IS SUCH A ‘GOOD CHRISTIAN’ THAT HE cancelled the NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER but, went to a Muslim Breakfast Conference/
He will try any white person but MAJOR HASAN WHO KILLED 13? soldiers?
What happened to him? Anything?
His ‘Christianity’ so-called sponsored by a so-called pastor who preached violence? Did Christ ever preach violence even against those who crucified HIM?
Doc, better have a rethink.

Violence is preached each and everyday right here by Christians so what is the difference?

Let me help you here because you have been denied information by watching Fixed News. Maj. Hassan is being tried at Fort Hood. If he had canceled the NDOP does that mean he is not a Christian? See what I mean. An article about oil and because of the Obama Islamic catch phrase it turns to questions about his religion.

Doc, why do you say he is a Christain? Because he said he was? I am one and he does’t act like one. Do you really beleive he trusts his life to Christ and that he beleives Christ is ONLY way to get to Heaven? That Christ IS the truth and the way and the Life and no man comes to the Father except through Christ?

He acts like a Muslim, he favors them-everyone knows that! How can you not see that?

Have you ever heard him speak of the “Holy Karan ” and the endearing inflection he uses when speaking about it?

you are just silly!

I would like to see someone toss a ham onto the hood of his taxpayer-funded limo as it passed by.

That would put him on foot until the new limo arrived.

Or, how about this? We could have a protest around The Peo;le’s House and everyone toss bacon over the fence onto the lawn!

My bet would be that he would still be sitting in his limo and having a ham sandwich.

Old Henry says:
October 12, 2011 at 9:57 am
I would like to see someone toss a ham onto the hood of his taxpayer-funded limo as it passed by.

That would put him on foot until the new limo arrived.

Or, how about this? We could have a protest around The Peo;le’s House and everyone toss bacon over the fence onto the lawn!
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ROLMMFAO!!!! I think bacon would stick to the limo better than ham.

Did you ever wonder how many racks of ribs he could forge thru with a few beers?

Due to the cost of living—make that an opened can of SPAM.

Jibbs:

That is an interesting thought. I have heard that there is A LOT of drinking that goes on now int The People’s House.

I’m guessin’ Moochelle would smach “upside” the head with an empty wine bottle.

Comments here about Muslim this, Christian that sound like those idiots out there that preach love and compassion, but show neither when it comes to other religions or other forms of Christianity. You will find more hypocrites in a bunch of Jesus freaks that you will find in a Jewish, Buddhist or Muslim gathering, I am sure of that! I am agnostic, but believe me when I say that your blabber about all this Muslim dung just makes you look the intellectual level you truly are, not what you “believe” yourself to be in, and you can have “faith” in that! Anyone standing on the outside watching the attacks on others based solely on stupid idiotic claims and rhetoric can tell that if what you present and represent to be a mentality that is to fix the US, we are certainly doomed before we start.

In just generalized quick review of most comments on here, your base for an argument is so totally weak and lame, you have done nothing other than proven that mental masturbation serves none other than the one doing the jerking.

Now! All of you go stand in the corner! dj has spoken!

Thanks “Old Henry”

Such is the base of my comment, and merely proves the point.

Brother Patriot II, he’s not silly, he’s dangerous.

up the hill
airborne

I know a lot of Christians. Most of them act nothing like Christ.

Brian- I agree with you. Some “Christians” raise heck all week and go to church on Sunday, thinking they will be “saved.”

A quick comment Brian, Christians can never attain the level of perfection as Jesus has, and always had, we can only try to achieve some form of morality,and what Jesus expects of us in our relationship with Him, some Christians fall due to temptations which we all have but some of us are stronger in our faith and dedication to our Lord Jesus. But we are human just like you, but we were changed, some of us were stone drug attics, shooting up herion, cocaine, popping pills, somking dope, robbing people, prostitution, killings, homosexuality, lying, steeling, having sex out of wedlock, Yeah all these things and more. Jesus cleaned us up, but satan knows of those areas that we were weak in, so he tempts us in these areas, this is why we must read Gods word ( our Bible ) and to also stay in prayer asking the Holy Spirit to strenghten us so as not to fall to the temptations that satan will try to make us fall under. Some take their relationship serious, some don’t, but the don’ts God the Holy Spirit will always try to get them back on track, Jesus only wishes good for His Children, God the Father wishes the same for all of us, that means you to. Try Him on for size one day, you’ll never forget that day, but your friends will remember and they will do as so many are doing right now, this is to be expected. Take care and I hope the best for you., God Bless.

If you guys are a representation of Christianity I’ll pass. And I also do not eat pork, and I am not Muslim. You can check my fake birth records and my fake DD-214 if you want. Christians my foot. You guys would deny Jesus himself if you found out he had a Muslim friend. The only thing most of you need Jesus for is to validate you hate.

Ron,

You have no idea what it is to be Christian! We are not stupid, nor are we “simple,” as you obviously believe!

Christians are charged with, thwarting “Evil!” There is “Evil” in Washington and it has permeated our country. Those that believe in Christianity, will not be silenced by your kind. Christians don’t spend all their time on their knees, kowtowing to their enemies. If that were so, we would not be a great Nation of huge accomplishments!
Those that follow good, are prosperous, innovative, and seek the better side of life. They are dedicated to the family and God’s word.
When we allowed “Evil” in our midst, and ignored it, our country was taken from us.

“Christian soldiers” will rise against the Evil ones, and in the end, Evil will be defeated. Good has always prevailed, but not without great sacrifice. Don’t count us out as simpletons that will quietly accept enslavement! God helps those that help themselves.

Patriot should I believe you are a Christian because you say you are. You do not act like a Christian. You are not tolerant of others; you help spread rumors and untruths. Make me a believer in the fact that you are what you say you are.

Professor, here is what I do know about Christianity. It has been pimped by people like you to trap, enslave and bring war on mankind for centuries. There is nothing wrong with religion, it is the way some practice it that concerns me. It is no secret that most on this page use religion to hate and spread lies. It matters not that you do not agree with a mans politics because that is Americans being American. So, Professor it is not that I know nothing about Christianity, I choose not to hate while cloaked in Christianity as you do. you are no better than the fools who strap bombs to themselves and use religion to justify it. ides , is there a law saying a person of muslim faith can not hold office???????

Greetings Ron, you have not met the person that you was adressing, yet you say that the person is not a Christian, I heard the same claims coming out of so many mouths, the media does a great job of manipulation,it is called propaganda a means to steer peoples mind to their wishes, lets call it brain washing,this is their profession, and they do it well. Evil does exists, it is not a figment of our imagination, wouldn’t you say: putting a baby in a microwave and turning it on isn’t Evil, yet it happened, The drowning of little helpless children in a bath tub wouldn’t you say that this is Evil? Beating up an old lady after he knocked her down on the floor, and already had her bag in his hand, but commenced to beat her isn’t this Evil, killing a whole family while they slept isn’t this Evil,Is steeling an Evil act? Their doing it in congress, they don’t want the federal reserve to be audited, why! because it is missing so much of OUR money, your money and many others. Why is it that people today don’t think like the people of yesterday, don’t you think that Evil is at play, sure it is, just look around, it’s all over us, hate alone is Evil, If you read the Bible you’ll find mention of these times where the majority will go against all Christians, this is happening all around the world, why because Gods Word says that this will happen just before He returns, If you read the book of Revelation you’ll find what we are seeing before our eyes, the increase in the magnitude of earthquakes,weather changes, oh and they will get bigger and stronger keep your eyes open you will see this with your own eyes,crime, maybe some people should take a trip to Brooklyn New York, L A, or Detroit, you know, big cities where crime is in your face, I’m from one of those cities, hang with me and you’ll have a change of heart, you’ll see Evil up front and personal, then you’ll know that anything is possible, and that satan IS IN CONTROL and that this statement is a matter of fact. And you’ll know that Evil resides in the world, as well as Washington D.C. Lots of people who made the wrong choice are now seeing the outcome of their choice, they now are saying man I fell for this guys claims, my Sister was one of them, she regrets it now as many are also, the News paper here for the first time spoke ill of our leader, front page, yet they were an advent supporters for this guy, everyone is waking up to the reality of the condition of our country, it has fallen so low, we are where we never been, spend, spend, start a war with libya without congresses approval, saying that he should be a dictator, it came out on video, bet you haven’t seen it, sooo some of us are keeping an eye on thingss and we are not all Christians, we are people who are not falling for the koolaide. And do watch out for the media, they have been bought off, do some research you’ll find this to be so. All is controlled, it’s not only the Christians who see this, it is that our country was built on Christianity and they need to rid of it so as to proceed with their plans for us all. Do as my Sister, and many other have, open up your eyes and stay focused. Take Care.

I’m sorry. But, you’re not livin’ in the real world, if you think B.Obama is a “christian.” If he is one, where’s the evidence. All I’VE SEEN is he says one thing and does another…. does the sky have to fall on you to get it? He (and congress), have spent more $$TRILLIONS of America’s wealth – “SPREADING THE WEALTH AROUND…” is what he TOLD “Joe the plummer”. You don’t remember that? OMG!

Only the most blindered of Liberal Zealots could believe that Obama is really a Christian. What is he going to say? He certainly isn’t going to tell the truth or he would be thrown out of office in a heartbeat.
I have only watched a few of his speeches, but still in just those few he lies and equivocates constantly. How can anybody who isn’t hypnotized believe a word that man says?
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=66909

Even the very Liberal Bill Maher doesn’t buy that Obama is Christian:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/guess-which-major-tv-host-thinks-obama-is-not-really-a-christian/

Why would admitting he’s Muslim get him thrown out of office? Are you familiar with the Constitution? It prohibits religious tests for public office.

The Constitution does that? Mind showing me where, Brian?

Doc . . . heard it with my own ears . . . he said “my muzzslime faith” . . . you only say that if you are one . . . no one says that BY MISTAKE!!! Not only is the “0″ an incompetent clown . . . he believes the Greene Nonsense . . . that the world can run on windmills and solar panels . . .

Doc Sarvis where do you get your definition of a christian from. Christians do not support the ungodly beliefs and policies that obama’s regeme thrives on. Don’t tag the word christian on people who bow and pray with muslims to alah. Jesus said that to contribute the works of satan to him was blasphemy. We should recognise evil as evil and not call it good. Homosexuality is evil, murdering babies is evil, culturing welfare is evil,and sir dening the deity of Jesus Christ,Is the ultimate evil. Just because other presidents have committed evil does’nt make it acceptable.

A Christian doesn’t invest in the killing of Gods children, nor does he condone the unity of same sex marriage,etc.

No he is not Doc. He said it out of his own mouth. He told our enemies we are not a Christian nation, and he told George Stephanapoulas, to the point that something was against his muslim religion, and had to be corrected. You see Doc, Im a Christian, and I could in no way, shape, or form, have that statement slip out of my mouth, because it isnt in me. I could not have “my muslim faith” come out of me like that, because it is contained no where in my being. For him to say that, it is, as they say, what it is, which is, his muslim faith.

true, but no other president has bowed so deeply to a saudi king.

That will be far better than being a sandpit with NO oil, and having to knock your head on the ground five times a day or be killed for failing to follow Islam properly.

Lee, I look at it a little differently. Oil is the key to bringing back our booming economy, and millions of American jobs! It is exactly what this country needs! Because it would make this country prosperous,and independent, it is opposed by the foreigner in the White House. His goal is to bring our country to her knees, instead.

Becoming an oil producing Nation, not only gets us off the Middle Eastern “tit,” but it would keep all those Billions of dollars in “our economy!” Instead of that money being used by the muslims to build more mosques and palaces, it would be used to provide Americans a better life. We could prosper by becoming an “exporter of oil,” instead of a country dependent on her enemies.

Independence is crucial. The world is unstable and we are vulnerable.
Security is gained only through strength. America must remain independent, providing our own food, medicine, weapons and energy. The government has stripped us of our prosperity, and security, by sending manufacturing jobs out of country, to improve the economy of foreign countries.
We must, once again, become a “producing Nation,” manufacturing goods and creating innovative products. We will not survive being a nation of consumers, printing and spending worthless money, because we have little that brings income into this country.

Very well said little grass-hopper, that money is also used in funding terrorism, along with the purchase of weapons, etc. The so called educated ones in Washington just don’t seem to get it, or do they.

You got that right. We have enough oil and enough need for this oil, to drill baby drill and employ thousands upon thousands of people in this country. We have the technology to do this safely and cleanly on shore, and dont have to do what the green enviro’s say, and go out into 5000 feet of water and do it unsafely. That is insane. In fact, we had a pro hockey player here in town, that quit and went to Alaska to work on the pipeline there, as it paid more than playing hockey. There is no reason to continue this madness of the greatest transfer of wealth in the world to the Arab nation, which, by the way, would like nothing more than to exterminate us. One can pretend this isnt the case, but it truly is. We have the oil here, to end our stupid dependance on them, and to put America back to work. When will we get a group of leaders, that actually have the care of this country in mind, to make this happen, and just say no to the liberal left, and really put America first? Its high time for it to happen.

Everyone can bring the focus on Bush, butttt look who is taking us to a place that we once was, we are moving backwards (focus) do some real research, you might be surprized. And what is this all for, this may also surprize you, there are bigger things going on here, and soon enough everyones concepts will be changed such as what was promised to us all ( change) we are looking at change right now,I know that everyone isn’t blind, I’m sure you agree, if not than deception is working well on our fellow Americans, it is called propaganda an art used to steer ones mind in compliance with their objectives. They’re doing a great job, as one can see. Events arise day by day, and some people are focused on these rapid changes now, the end result is a big surprize for those who lifted their heads and finally took a look, but guess what theirs a sign post ahead their next stop is the twilight zone, can you dig it.

Dear missy marcotte,

You write: “Funny this website says it doesnt promote racism,yet your comment of calling the president a muslim,wipped right by!” When did muslim (sic) become a race?

Best wishes,
Bob