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Welcome To The American Autumn

October 11, 2011 by  

Welcome To The American Autumn

The dreams-from-my-father moment appears to be nearing as riots, sit-ins and protests grow throughout the country. “Social-justice” miscreants — a whole new generation of hippies — have escaped their cages and are running wild in New York, Los Angeles, Denver, Chicago and other U.S. cities. And make no mistake about it: They’re looking for red meat.

This weird mixture of commies and cuckoos are ecstatic over what BHO’s policies have done to the U.S. economy in less than three years, and they must surely be drooling over the thought of five more years of economic destruction. They believe, or at least they believe they believe, in the greatest of all contradictions — that by destroying wealth, there will be more wealth to share with “the masses”… you know, like in Mao Zedong’s China, Vladimir Lenin’s and Joseph Stalin’s Soviet Union, and Fidel Castro’s Cuba.

As you would expect, high-profile radicals — led by the Radical-in-Chief in the White House — are now crawling out of the woodwork and cheerleading the rabble-rousers. Some examples:

  • Frances Fox Piven, of Cloward-Piven fame, has waited four decades for a far-left savior to finish the job of destroying the U.S. economy and getting a majority of Americans dependent on the government for survival. Piven and her late husband, Richard Cloward, wrote an infamous article in 1966 titled “The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty.” In it they advocated pushing more people into social-welfare programs, which they believed would collapse the system and force reforms that would lead to a guaranteed annual income. This ugly little slice of Marxist cunning is commonly referred to as the “Cloward–Piven strategy.” In an interview at one of the Occupy Wall Street protests in New York, Piven said, “I teach at the Graduate School of the City University of New York. I am here because I am so enthusiastic about the possibilities of this sit-in, over the marches that are occurring over postal-worker issues, the sister demonstrations that are starting in Chicago and Los Angeles, and maybe in Boston. I think we desperately need a popular uprising in the United States.” I agree. We do need a popular uprising in the United States, but the Tea Party is already addressing that need. Tea Partiers just have to become more aggressive in pushing back against big government.
  • Van Jones, the first known self-avowed communist appointed to a major position (Green Jobs Czar) by an American President, praised the Wall Street hippie occupiers as the start of an “American Autumn.” Jones has instituted something called the “American Dream Movement” that, as far as I can tell, seeks to destroy the American dream and replace it with an equality-of-results society. Jones says he wants to “build a progressive counterbalance to the tea party” and take back the American dream. Sounds a bit strange — take the American dream? I wonder how you do that. After all, the American dream is about freedom. Does Jones mean that he wants to take freedom away from those he deems to be too successful?
  • Even Rosanne Barr, a one-time comedienne who was not very funny even in her prime, recently came back from the dead to offer up this Mao-like solution to the grievances of the social-justice crowd: “I first would allow the guilty bankers to pay, you know, the ability to pay back anything over $100 million [of] personal wealth because I believe in a maximum wage of $100 million. And if they are unable to live on that amount… of that amount… then they should, you know, go to the reeducation camps. And if that doesn’t help, then being beheaded.”

Sounds like fun to me. Maybe the government will start subsidizing guillotine manufacturers and refer to them as creators of “red jobs.”

Of course, no one comes close to stirring up hatred like the great uniter in the Oval Office.  While the others vie for attention, Barack Obama just keeps cruising along at the front of the revolutionary pack with his redistribution-of-wealth rhetoric, sounding more and more like a hysterical kid whose angry roots are exploding into the open for all to see.

It goes without saying that none of this is new. Those of us who are halfway informed and clearheaded have seen and read about this down-with-the-rich gibberish many times before. It’s the same old tired mantra of the left, going all the way back to Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, and later Lenin and Leon Trotsky. Today, the anti-capitalists in Congress are preaching the mantra louder than ever.

These Constitutional usurpers carry the misleading banner of compassion, while chuckling at an opposition that doesn’t have strong enough convictions to challenge them. Clearly, they view these conviction-lacking capitalists as useful idiots who can be manipulated into helping them achieve their goals.

If I were asked to give one piece of advice to students majoring in political science, I would tell them to beware of the individual who preaches endlessly about compassion, “shared prosperity,” “collective salvation” and other such abstract tripe. Such preaching has led to the deaths of at least a couple of hundred million people over the past two centuries, and the atrocities continue to this day.

Henry Grady Weaver put it well in The Mainspring of Human Progress when he wrote:

Most of the major ills of the world have been caused by well-meaning people who ignored the principle of individual freedom, except as applied to themselves, and who were obsessed with fanatical zeal to improve the lot of mankind-in-the-mass through some pet formula of their own. …

The harm done by ordinary criminals, murderers, gangsters, and thieves is negligible in comparison with the agony inflicted upon human beings by the professional “do-gooders,” who attempt to set themselves up as gods on earth and who would ruthlessly force their views on all others — with the abiding assurance that the end justifies the means.

Nobel Prize novelist and poet Anatole France put it more simply when he said, “Those who have given themselves the most concern about the happiness of peoples have made their neighbors very miserable.”

But perhaps the best and simplest of all is to be found in the aphorism, “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.” Of course, this statement assumes that an individual has good intentions to begin with, but that’s another article for another time.

With that, let’s all sit back and enjoy Van Jones’ American Autumn — now in progress. I have to believe Maximilien Robespierre would have loved it.

Robert Ringer

Robert Ringer

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  • http://yahoo Skyraider6

    waqll st is not the problem washington is since 1992 wake up and think,think think put 2and2 together it all adds up

  • Old Henry

    I would add one more – “Do as I say, not as I do”.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    The new hippie generation is here the unwashed.

  • Lastmanstanding

    The future of America…there is only one way to fix this problem…it is coming whether we like it or not.

  • Bryan

    You totally misrepresent this movement as you would rather have this country owned by Wall Street than by the people. That’s not “personal liberty,” that’s liberty for Wall Street to do whatever they want to this country and it people.

    Calling a set of legal documents a person is the ultimate redefinition of personhood. You wonder why there is no respect for life in America.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Exactly Bryan!

    • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

      well said – perhaps you will find my own comments to your liking

    • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

      The “people” invested in our or the world economy are not really people. How do you wrestle with the logistics of that gambit of dubious merit.

    • 45caliber

      Suppose Wall Street did shut completely down. That would accomplish … exactly what?

      The multi-millionares would still make their deals behind closed doors as they do now. The only real affect would be to stop the small dealer from buying or selling. How does that make the country better?

      • Song

        Exactly 45, shutting down Wall Street will accomplish nothing and there is a lot of posters on this board that have absolutely have NO IDEA how Wall Street works and who are the major beneficiary’s. I wonder how many people in “Occupy” have a portfolio on Wall Street to supplement their retirement years? Naw, that would just be greedy, right? What a joke.

      • eddie47d

        So what if the protesters have money in the stock market. Are you against making Wall Street honest and responsible for the damages that they heaped upon this country.Most stock holders are not blind to the misdeeds of Hedge Fund Managers and other Investment companies on Wall Street.(Lehman Bros,etc) They want to invest in decent companies who play fair and square. How about you?

      • Song

        Again, my fence sitting friend a/k/a Eddie, confused as you are, fail to miss the point. The point being that many if not all of the Occupy protestors probably DO NOT have a portfolio on Wall Street..let alone have jobs! Again, they are “knocking” on the wrong door. They should all be at the WH. And again, you make the assumption that anyone who does not support these misguided, useful idiots in their “vacation” called protesting supports corruption. Continue with the “groupthink” ideology eddie, your assumptions are wrong but then you continue to turn a deaf ear. Sad for you.

      • eddie47d

        Song; You spend too much time contradicting what You say and playing word games. Nice spin

      • Song

        eddie: I know you fancy yourself as one who knows everything, but you my friend, have a serious problem with READING COMPREHENSION!

      • Vicki

        Eddie47D writes:
        “Most stock holders are not blind to the misdeeds of Hedge Fund Managers and other Investment companies on Wall Street.(Lehman Bros,etc) They want to invest in decent companies who play fair and square. ”

        And what (be precise) is stopping stockholders from investing in decent companies who play fare and square?

    • Tamie Baggett

      Well said Bryan. Several of these comments are made by projecting and assuming. People are interesting aren’t they?

    • DaveH

      No, Bryan, I think what Robert wants is voluntary transactions between people with the only involvement of Government being to litigate against fraud and to protect people from the force of others.

  • Al Sieber

    Is this history repeating it self, the new Bolshevist revolution? where the commies take over.

    • libertytrain

      well no one seems to remember how that one worked out….

      • Al Sieber

        I do liberty, millions of people were murdered, starved to death. farms, private property etc. were taken from the people and “uncle Joe Stalin” became dictator.

      • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

        capital is the means of production – communism is the monopolistic model that the ‘state’ [meaning the plutocracy] controls the capital. with a manipulated economy where honest competition is stifled – per Nathaniel Tucker – makes our system much more like communism than these NeoCons in their abject moral blindness would dare to admit.

      • Al Sieber

        I agree with that Mark. and Fascism is Govt. by regulation.

      • Vicki

        A thing to remember about Communism is in this sound bite

        “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”

        Humans have a VERY overblown sense of need.
        Air, Food, water protection from the weather. Thats it.

        Judging from the “successes” of communism I would say that the people in them were lucky to get even these simple needs met.

      • Song

        They just weren’t taken; they were beaten, forced out and murdered and it didn’t stop at wealthy farmers and landowners. The same happened under Mao in China. And what was the ultimate result? The wealth shifted into the hands of the few that stole it, took it over and they became the new elite while the middle class was entirely wiped out and now the “99%” remained in poverty, starving without any ownership whatsoever. Go “occupy”… useful idiots, all of them.

      • eddie47d

        Most people in China and Russia were serfs/peasants and worked long and grueling hours while the elite wined and dined in their conclaves. They also controlled who was in power and made sure those peasants stayed poor for the use of the elites. Revolution came because of the arrogance,corruption and greed of those elites. Yes there are similarities in today’s world and now we have super sized Elites controlling our lives. So maybe you are the one bringing the hammer down on the Middle Class by endorsing those elites. Whether in Washington or on Wall Street.

      • Song

        Eddie, please do some reading about the overthrow of governments before commenting…and from your post then, you are sanctioning murder because according to you, they (all of the elites) deserved it? My, how you paint with a broad brush!

      • DaveH

        Before you spout any more of your fabricated history, Eddie, read the book “How Capitalism saved America” and learn something:
        http://mises.org/store/How-Capitalism-Saved-America-P260.aspx

      • eddie47d

        You haven’t been around very long have you Song. You certainly haven’t heard all the talk about wiping out all the liberals and a few others that I won’t mention.No I don’t condone murder only explaining what happened.

    • Old Henry

      Al:

      The commies took over on 1/20/09.

  • Adam

    Surprise surprise? not so, if you see — and slowly understand — what happened at wall-street in the past few years, you should not be surprised about what is happening there today.

  • http://yahoo Skyraider6

    it’s pretty sad when our socalled leaders endorse this kind of behavior maybe it’s time for the m-60s a bunch of low lifes and lackies

    • Doc Sarvis

      When it is the Tea Party it’s okay, when it is anti-establishment/anti-Wall Street it is not. I see where you are coming from.

      • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

        That which concentrates the control of resources tends to corrupt – that which gives local control tends to mitigate corruption – are we on the same page here?

      • Dale on the left coast

        Doc . . . almost all Tea Partiers I have listened to can carry on an intelligent conversation . . . . contrast to the wall street clowns . . . most who don’t even know why they are there, some who claim they are bing paid and most who act like “Pigs” and litter the town. And you can’t see a difference . . . WOW!!!

        How did it get this bad? Where did the Derivitives of no value come from . . . was it the investment bankers or were they created by Fannie and Freddie with the blessing of Bawney Fwank and radical Dimmicraps . . .
        Never let liberals forget that the sub-prime mortgage disaster was Bill Clinton’s fault. In 1995 President Clinton’s changes to the Community Reinvestment Act enabled ACORN to run a politically correct extortion campaign against mortgage lenders, compelling them by force of law to make unsound (sub-prime) loans to poor minorities who never stood a hope of repaying them.

      • OB1

        How about the repeal of Glass-Steigal? Who’s responsible for that? And better yet, why????? Plus Clinton pushed George H.W. Bush’s NAFTA. Why is this not being discussed and addressed?

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Their mindset of getting more by destruction of property and freedom is totally insane and yet this is their MO. For the last three years I have had to watch it happen on a much smaller scale next door to us. It was all done in the name of doing good and in the process, many were hurt and almost destroyed. The property that once was used for true ministry is now just a striped out shamble. “If the salt has lost it’s savour it is good for nothing but to be cast down and trodden under the feet of men.”

    • 45caliber

      Henry: I think it goes back to the old Syndicate idea: “If you don’t pay me more to leave you alone I will destroy what you have.”

      • Song

        Just attend your local city council meetings. The public at large is ill informed and apathetic. And the “have nots” at every level are becoming more aggressive in their demands. Pretty soon if you own a home, you are going to be a target of their irrational, selfish, hatred. How dare you own a home while they have to rent? Or, you, as a homeowner should be paying more in property tax to support the programs that they all rely on. Believe me, this is coming to a town near you.

      • eddie47d

        Those who rent live in a building or house where the owner pays property taxes so in essence everyone pays property taxes through the rent they pay.

      • Song

        In theory, that would be true, eddie, but “theory” rarely pans out in real life, especially when you have tenants who just decide they don’t need to pay rent or shouldn’t have to pay rent anymore, but then I digress. Do you own your home? Have you ever tried to rent out a home? Have you ever tried to start up your own business? Your ignorance knows no bounds, just like many of the so called “Occupy” protestors. And if you do own your own home, are you ready to to see your property taxes skyrocket to continue to support social programs? I could recite example after example to point out just how ignorant you are, but sadly I just don’t have the time!

      • eddie47d

        I wasn’t wrong and I would say you were so who is ignorant. Nice cheap shot Song.

      • Song

        then why can’t you answer simple questions eddie like do you own your own home and will you be willing to pay higher proprety taxes to support more social programs and have you ever tried to rent a home or start a business? (I hear crickets!)

      • Thinking About

        Song, I have rental property and those homes has higher taxes than my personal home thanks to homestead exemption. Guess what, rents covers payments, taxes and insurance plus profit for myself. I have also started businesses but don’t sit myself so high as not to realize lots of folks are hurting. Have you tried to live on a minimal wage income. It isn’t much and one surely cannot support a family with it. Besides I currently entertain myself with a minimal wage job and work with many where this is their only means of support. In talking to my co-workers they are glad to have the job and many have worked higher wage jobs before. Everyone without work are not lazy the jobs are not available. If jobs became available the economy would improve, more money to spend and support the businesses.

      • Song

        You make my point EXACTLY Thinking About don’t be so naive to think that the finger won’t turn and point right at you next. As a landowner, you are the enemy. Don’t get it? You will….it was the topic of our last city council meeting and believe me, people with the “renter’s mentality” “I can only work for minimum wage” mentality do not like people that own things. But a question: If your rentals are making a profit like you say, why aren’t you as a “wealthy landowner” subsidizing the rent for those poor renter’s of yours that could certainly use some of your profit??? Think there is a big difference between yourself and the hatred being directed toward Wall Street right now? Think again.

      • Song

        BTW Thinking About & Eddieee: I started working when minimum wage was $2.45 an hour. I worked my way through college on minimum wage and later in life when my husband’s business began to cave, I took any job I could to make ends meet from waitressing tables, to call centers to roofing jobs, and when that wasn’t working, I worked even harder to further my education so that I didn’t have to rely on the government or anyone else to provide for myself and my family and now I earn much, much more than minimum wage and I earned every cent of it. I have enormous respect for people that take the “bull by the horns” and get things done, but I have very little for the whiners, complainers and self-proclaimed victims in this country.

  • Jeryl

    Over two years ago I told friends that immediately before and/or during the 2012 election that Obama operatives would begin to foment civil unrest and violence. The purpose, I believe, is to give him the chance to declare martial law and suspend elections if it looks like he is going to lose the election. So far, sad to say, it looks as if I’ve been right.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      I tried to tell people in May of 2008, that this is exactly what would happen. They told me I was crazy. We shall see who is crazy, or should I say lazy and ignorant.

    • 45caliber

      I agree. I’ve been saying the same thing. They NEED a reason to declare martial law if that is necessary for them to remain in power. There was too much emphasis then (and now) by the Demos that they didn’t need to worry about the GOP or the people themselves as they would always forever more remain in power.

      • eddie47d

        Take your blinders off Caliber we almost had martial law under Nixon and G Bush so get off this Democrat kick of yours. The Wall Street protesters and the Tea Party protesters both had and still have valid reasons to be taking on the Elites. Neither group should have their 1st Amendment rights taken away and it’s time to stop listening to those who would do so.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Put down the Crack pipe eddie . . . . the wall st. protestors, most who cannot make a rational sentence, are free riding radicals, supported by SEIU, Tides and MoveOn . . . same groups that funded the LOOSER in the WH . . . .
        How did it get this bad? Where did the Derivitives of no value come from . . . was it the investment bankers or were they created by Fannie and Freddie with the blessing of Bawney Fwank and radical Dimmicraps . . .
        Never let liberals forget that the sub-prime mortgage disaster was Bill Clinton’s fault. In 1995 President Clinton’s changes to the Community Reinvestment Act enabled ACORN to run a politically correct extortion campaign against mortgage lenders, compelling them by force of law to make unsound (sub-prime) loans to poor minorities who never stood a hope of repaying them.

      • eddie47d

        Cry me a river Dale.This issue is as much about rights as who did what.I do appreciate your history lesson though.

      • vicki
      • JeffH

        Oh Vicki, stop already…we all know the pictures are photoshopped…an “eddie” moment…

      • Thinking About

        You must be watching re-runs from the tea party “rallies”. For those who speak of wealth redistribution needs to look closely to executitives running from board meeting to board meeting voting themselves big raises and declaring “it’s not my fault the board voted my raise”. If the amount of money is available to pay their outrageous salaries then distribute those wages throughout the workers. This is wealth redistribution to the top.

      • Vicki

        Thinking about doesn’t and says:
        “If the amount of money is available to pay their outrageous salaries then distribute those wages throughout the workers. ”

        Who are you to say the salaries are outrageous. Oh right. A liberal.

        Thinking about: “This is wealth redistribution to the top.”

        It can’t be wealth to the top cause the top is the shareholder. The board are people that the shareholders voted (using that thing called democracy) to represent their interests.

  • Doc Sarvis

    While there may be a diversity of “causes” in these protests the dominant one I have heard on a variety of news casts is the unhealthy influence of big money in our government/elections. And the political tone has NOT been pro-President Obama, it has been anti-establishment.

    • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

      I hope I am understanding this correctly, A place without wealthy people is a third world country?

      • Vagabond

        slayerwolf how many poor people have given you a JOB?

      • 45caliber

        slayerwulfe:

        Almost right. A place without a middle class is a third world country. That is where most of the wealth lies in the US – and the rich knows it. But ALL revolt comes from the middle class – and the rich knows that too. So the idea is to eliminate the middle class. Then the poor can’t revolt due to a lack of money and the rich can do what they wish. It is the middle class that we need to preserve – and the DEMOS want to destroy it by taxing us to death. We don’t stand up for the real rich … such as Oblama, Bush, and friends … so much as we try to stand up for ourselves. But when the DEMOS start talking about the rich being bad, those on welfare consider EVERYONE who has more than they do rich – including all middle class. And the DEMOS know that too…

      • eddie47d

        No one is out to “destroy the rich” as so many of you imply. The American people just want them to be more accountable. If they create a mess and ruin our economy then they should be obligated to play it back. To give more to make up for the damage they heaped upon our system. Instead they have been taking more while leaving a trail of tears. I know that “your side” wants welfare recipients to be more accountable so we should also demand the same from the skunks in control of our economy.

      • Song

        Nobody disagrees with that eddie….why do you always assume that they do?

      • eddie47d

        Listen to what “your side” says each and every day on this site and there will always be someone who will say that “our side” (whoever that is) wants to take everything away from the rich. “We are always stealing from the rich”

      • vicki

        Eddie47D. The “skunks” in control of our economy is the government. No one else has the power to force us to buy or sell things.

        Thus Reagan is proven right again. Government is not the solution. It IS the problem.

      • Vicki

        Eddie47d says:
        ‘If they (the rich) create a mess and ruin our economy then they should be obligated to play it back. ”

        Can we do that please. Here is a list. As a plus most of them are rich.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQUO9TiYvk

      • Vicki

        Oh I should also mention that most/all of them are democrats.

  • Karolyn

    Is Ringer so devoid of facts that he has to quote Roseanne Barr? WTF?

    • 45caliber

      You mean Roseanne is not one of your favorite people? My, my. Maybe there is hope for you yet.

      • OB1

        Have a great day! You critique Ringer when I have sent you many links to actual news and reporting? What are you really afraid of Karolyn, the truth? Scary, ain’t it…..

      • Karolyn

        Uh, no. I’m not scared.

  • TonyD

    Do not berate these protesters as “60′s leftovers”
    I find it interesting that the ongoing worship of the Robber Barons “Wallstreet” continues..business as usual despite their almost ruining the economy. If you protest their actions you are a “hippy” or worse. This sort of attitute shows clearly that in biblical terms, clearly that in this “Temple”, the “Pharisees” have indeed won.

    • Dale on the left coast

      Tony . . . the 60′s Radicals are now Czars in the WH . . .
      How did it get this bad? Where did the Derivitives of no value come from . . . was it the investment bankers or were they created by Fannie and Freddie with the blessing of Bawney Fwank and radical Dimmicraps . . .
      Never let liberals forget that the sub-prime mortgage disaster was Bill Clinton’s fault. In 1995 President Clinton’s changes to the Community Reinvestment Act enabled ACORN to run a politically correct extortion campaign against mortgage lenders, compelling them by force of law to make unsound (sub-prime) loans to poor minorities who never stood a hope of repaying them.

  • Winston

    President Obama is hoping riots across America will energize his re-election.

    • Vicki Bryson

      Winston, if this happens, the conservative better get out of bed and tell the American people that this is being brought to you by Obie 1 and the democrats, including unions thugs and black panthers. Maybe that will wake them up.

    • 45caliber

      Winston:

      I personally think that riots are a bad way to go. There are too many of us who not only would object but also have the means to do so. But the DEMOs don’t care as they know it will be the stupid fools who make up the riots and the ones who will get hurt doing it. That will give them the reason to declare martial law – to “protect” these fools that are causing the problems in the first place.

      • eddie47d

        Sinister politicians from both parties have slept with Wall Street so it should be a common goal to take them on and expose this connection. Only blaming the Democrats shows me that you don’t want to see what else is behind the curtain. These Wall Street protesters are taking on many issues and they are not all in favor of Obama. So take a closer look.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Wall Street is not the problem . . . Obumbler and his band of Loons are the problem . . . the marxist in the WH needs to go and take his dopy professors with him!!!

      • eddie47d

        Still got your blinders on Dale?

      • vicki

        Eddie47d. Probably not. Dale has demonstrated that he has seen thru the veil that would have us believe that some evil Wall Street has waved a non existent magic wand and made Congress and the President do whatever they want. When the reality is that Congress and the President have all the force they need to control most any of Wall Street. That the Government currently uses guns (regulation) and money (bail out for cronies) to do this is no real surprise.

  • Terry

    Its part of the socialist new world order Pure and simple!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!!

    • Old Henry

      At the risk of sounding 60s-ish, Right On Terry.

  • Warrior

    It amazes me how the democreeps, with their class warfare, can turn the clock back 40 years.

    • Karolyn

      Ah, if only the clock could be turned back 40 years. The 70s were great!

      • Marcus

        This explains her comments.

      • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

        understood!

      • Song

        I try really hard not to engage with Karolyn, I really do. But Karolyn you just ask for the responses you get. Now you bring up the wonderful 70′s where you have already discussed on more than one occasion of being doped up and drugged up for what was it, 25 years of your life?

      • Old Henry

        Song:

        I am beginning to wonder if eddie pays her to be here so we leave him alone…

      • Karolyn

        No, Song, that is absolutely not true. Do you have something against recovering addicts and alcoholics? I have been sober for 30 years and was a user for 10. I am certainly not ashamed of that. My life made me who I am today, and I am happy with myself. I feel sorry for those of you who were in your 20s in the 70s and didn’t have a good time. Lest I be misjudged :-) I worked through the 70s. Don’t you ever get tired of being up on that high horse?

      • eddie47d

        You can be funny Old Henry. By the way there are protesters in Washington DC.

      • OB1

        Karolyn, now is the time you need to identify who your “higher power” is.
        It is not the broomstick nor the door knob, nor the lamp, Back in the day, Bill W and Dr. Bob both professed Jesus Christ as God. That was later removed so more people could become sober. My question is to what? They were both gone by then. 12 step came out of the Oxford group. Incredible people; a small group that changed dependency FOREVER! They knew Fraud and the rest of the ilk were speculators and flawed. If you don’t like the heat on here, get out of the kitchen; there’s a grease fire burning.

      • Karolyn

        Old Henry – I know who/what my Higher Power is and am very comfortable with my beliefs. Who said it was too hot? I just sometimes resent all the personal attacks that have no place in civil discourse.

      • libertytrain

        not for those in Vietnam during the first 5 years; and then finishing with Jimmy Carter and his fiasco as president. no, I don’t recall them as you do.

      • 45caliber

        I fully agree.

      • Dntmkmecmoverther

        Heh,heh…if you turned that clock back, we would know better than to let people like you out alone…and perhaps we would not be burdened with such lousy leadership today.

      • Old Henry

        Dntmkmecmoverther:

        If we could turn it back to avoid lousy “leaders” I would go back about 50.5 years…

      • Old Henry

        Waht Karolyn?!

        The cars were junk – and ugly (post ’72), the hair styles were riduculous as were the clothes and to top it all off there was disco. Plus we had that idiot Carter. However, that gave us Reagan, so maybe Little Barry will give us Ron Paul.

      • DaveH

        One can only hope, Henry. But Ron Paul is going to be hammered on by every parasite in the country. His skin is pretty thick though, so maybe he is up to the task.

      • Old Henry

        Well DaveH, I’m puttin’ my money on Ron Paul, literally.

        Bought a passle (some Jed Clampet lingo there) of tee shirts and a cap yesterday. As my dentist tells me, put your money where your mouth is.

      • DaveH

        Yay!

      • Dale on the left coast

        So right . . . I fondly remember lining up for gasoline, the wage and price controlls, the American citizens held hostage in Iran for over a year . . . and the fekless Peanut Farmer attempting to appease all.

      • libertytrain

        For Karolyn those were the good old days. I can’t imagine why….

  • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

    Yes beware the humanitarian especially if there poor and want to help with someone else’s wealth, or destroy it out of jealousy.

  • Bill

    These people are stupid, non thinking morons who don’t , won’t, or can’t get real jobs, so they want what we all have. It would simply be pathetic if it wasn’t for the backing of the Democrat party leaders and the Rabble rouser-in-chief Obama. Coupled with the prompting of every radical left wing organization in the country and we have a very troubling movement going on.

    Perhaps the most troubling statement I’ve heard yet was the one by Obama when he said this would be the real force behind the election of 2012. I wouldn’t put it past him for a second to exploit this into a suspension of elections to remain in power.

    God help us if he does.

    • Vicki Bryson

      Bill, you are straight on. I am truly scared that this is what he will do. I believe it has been his plan from the beginning and this kind of movement is the way to do it. However, I do have one ray of hope. There are many more in this country that have hunting licenses. I believe it will start another and maybe the last American Revolution.

      • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

        I hope you are not promoting this think what you are saying the same thing as the occupation outside law. It sounds like a licence to kill (remember we are all being monitored)Some believe we don’t have to be licensed they are called terrorist and I hope we don’t need to start the Alice’s Restaurant Movement here because we can’t just get anything we want.

      • 45caliber

        I agree. I believe that the DEMOs WANT us to march on Washington with our guns. They expect to be able to use our own military to shoot or capture all those who disagree with them, eliminating all who might argue against them. And if the military refuses to do their bidding … well, they still control the nukes. And they can blame the use of them on the marchers. This would give them the reason to become the new Stalin of the new USSA.

      • Old Henry

        45:

        I have read posts here saying that there are NATO troops within our borders – don’t know if it’s true. If true, they could use them. Or, they could bring in Mex troops and Canadian toops as Shrub signed a treaty with them in 2005 via EO.

        Just a thought.

        Say, I saw on the W/C that parts of TX were getting rain last week. Were you one of the lucky ones?

      • 45caliber

        Old Henry:

        Yes, I got rain, thank God! Five inches! It almost doubled the rainfall I’ve had all year – and we normally have about 4 feet of rainfall by this time of year. And there wasn’t a single puddle in my yard. The ground felt damp but wasn’t even muddy. None of the ditches have water either. It either soaked in or ran into the cracks in the ground. I had cracks in my yard about 5 inches wide. They are still there but a lot smaller. I hope we get more this weekend. We are hoping that the rain will help stop the fires. Some idiots just love to play with fire! I’m sure the animals are also gratefull. I keep water out for them and have all sorts coming in to drink.

      • Revere

        No, it wouldn’t be a revolution but rather a civil war.
        Are you really that stupid to want a fratricide like the first one.(600,000 dead). Meanwhile the fatcats would supply both sides & reap the benefits(War Profiteers).All the while they would laugh at your ignorance.

    • Vagabond

      if he does there is a remedy for any would be DICTATOR,

      • eddie47d

        So Vickie and Vagabond don’t think unemployed people have a right to protest when there are not very many jobs out there? They don’t think the decline of the Middle Class is a concern and the loss of jobs is not something to protest about. They don’t think the corporate crooks should be taken to task. They look at the Wall Street banksters as pure and honest and have done no harm to the USA.They don’t see how fed up people are and don’t feel they have a right to express their disillusionment with the American Dream. If you voice your opinion and are fearful of the future you say they must be communists not Americans.You say their grievances are are not real and only a plot as if unemployment and Wall Street pirates aren’t a reality. They see corrupted politicians just like you but they also seem to see the connection between Washington and Wall Street a little clearer than you do. Yet you turn against them. Yes the unemployed have time on their hands and can protest longer than those in the Tea Party but their complaints are just as real and need to be heard.

      • Old Henry

        eddie, they are protesting in the wrong place. They should be circling 1600 (they could pee thru the fence) and Capital Hill.

        THAT is where the problems were created, and are being perpetuated.

        Maybe Little Barry could use yet another peice from FDR’s playbook and campaign on “A joint in every pot!” (Is that redundant?)

      • Dale on the left coast

        How did it get this bad? Where did the Derivitives of no value come from . . . was it the investment bankers or were they created by Fannie and Freddie with the blessing of Bawney Fwank and radical Dimmicraps . . .
        Never let liberals forget that the sub-prime mortgage disaster was Bill Clinton’s fault. In 1995 President Clinton’s changes to the Community Reinvestment Act enabled ACORN to run a politically correct extortion campaign against mortgage lenders, compelling them by force of law to make unsound (sub-prime) loans to poor minorities who never stood a hope of repaying them.

      • Vicki

        This is how it got this bad
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQUO9TiYvk

    • Old Henry

      No Bill, I would say Allah help him if he does…

      However, you ae dead on with your assessment. Remember the NC Gov. floating that idea last month?

    • Karolyn

      These people are absolutely not all supporting Obama, quite the contrary.
      http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/10-2

  • Karolyn

    Why this insistence on portraying these people as “hippies” and ““Social-justice” miscreants?” They sure look and sound like ordinary Americans to me. The variety of ages, races and social standings that I have seen make for a real cross-section of people. Are conservatives jealous that they can’t match it? Were the Tea Party protests just a flash-in the-pan? All the high-minded discourse, rehashing of history and references to leftist ideologies doesn’t solve anything and neither does perpetuation of differences of opinion by bloggers. Instead, why doesn’t somebody pick out anything the “sides” have in common and work at developing ways to achieve common goals? And don’t tell me there is nothing to work with. Gee, what would happen to people like Ringer if we all respected each other’s views and didn’t feel the need to put others down? Wow! What a concept! Working together! Putting aside differences! Many would not know what to do with themselves if they didn’t have an opposition to occupy their time.

    • http://libertyalert Frank J.

      have you seen them urinating and defecating and having sex .All of this right out in the open! well i did KAROLYN .Nothing like having your 3 and 6 year old grandchildren watching a 25 year old urinating in public while smoking a joint. And you call this NORMAL PEOPLE!.I said it once and i’ll say it again KAROLYN YOU ARE BRAIN DEAD AND AN IDIOT JERK!!!.

      • CP

        Frank, it sounds like you saw what you went looking to see, not all that was there to be seen. In fact, you saw something so odd that this is the only place it has been reported, and Fox News would have jumped on that.

      • Vagabond

        cp Fox showed a SLIMEBALL taking a crap alongside a police car. I guess you think I was looking for that? if I could have walked up while he was doing it I would have drop kicked his damned ass up between his shoulder blades,

      • 45caliber

        I agree with you. Taking a crap in public like that is a GOOD thing? Someone’s head is on wrong. It needs to be unscrewed and the put back on correctly – if his neck isn’t cross threaded.

      • Old Henry

        I don’t know about cross-threaded 45, but it might be a left-hand thread…

      • 45caliber

        Old Henry:

        I hadn’t thought of that. That could well be the reason – particularly when you have to screw to the RIGHT to tighten that.

      • texastwin827

        CP, Fox did…last night. While I didn’t hear any remarks about sex, they DID remark about the protestors both urinating and pooping and leaving tons of litter behind.

        Stay up to date, if you’re going to be critical of other’s comments (just short of calling them a liar really does nothing for your credibility)

      • david h

        How righteous! What obsession you have with excrement!Why were you there watching in the first place…a little “peeping” eh? There is an old phrase people use to dismiss pure folly: “Get a life for yourself”. Peeing and defecating have nothing to do with the issues…unless someone is literally brain-dead!However…I do feel your pain at having witnessed such a horror show. How traumatic this experience must have been for you (and God knows why you had your kids there) I hope you have a safe recovery and continue to lead an “excrement” free life.

      • Old Henry

        Actually david I believe Frank said he had his grandkids with him.

        Since that pot-head was peeing in front of small children I can’t help but wonder if he might be a TSA employee…

      • JeffH

        :) :)

      • OB1

        You are the wind beneath my wings. Keep it up, Old Henry!

        Dc just issued a 4 month permit for these people:

        http://www.righttoworkcommittee.org/fuva_videohn.aspx?pid=vhn2

      • Old Henry

        Now Frank, remember we have been admonished by Little Barry / Harrison J. Bonnel to use civil discourse.

        However, if you want to Take the sons of bitches out and send them straight to hell, that will be acceptable….

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        no, that’s Normal behavior to Karolyn.

    • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

      There is a side to this you may have missed masses of people but variable yet they all have one thing in common they are unhappy with their lives. Do you believe this gives them the right to make others miserable by getting in the way. How is it possible to reason with persons so self centered that they care only about themselves and in the same breath saying they are doing it for us when in reality they are doing it to us.

      • Karolyn

        Why do you see them as not being happy with their lives? They are unhappy with the US, not necessarily their lives. Do you have some inside information? Know someone? Been there?

      • Vagabond

        karolyn why dont you take a break and rest your brain? it must be very tired. I wish you wouldn’t tell people you are from N.C.

      • eddie47d

        Why don’t you give your assumptions a rest Vagabond? Can you think beyond the Ifs and snippy remarks?

      • DaveH

        Karolyn is taking a break, Vagabond. As usual, she’s doing it on our taxpayer-funded job.

      • Old Henry

        My goodness DaveH. You seem to be a little grabby today. LOL!

      • 45caliber

        Karolyn:

        If you are happy with your life, then you are happy with the government in power and with your country. If you are not happy, then you want to change things so you will be happy. If you aren’t very smart, you will blame the problem on someone else or something else.

        There is NO difference between being unhappy with their lives and being unhappy with the country. They are unhappy with their lives because the advertisements tell them they should be unhappy unless they have all the material goods they want to make them happy. And the DEMOs tell them that if they don’t have everything they want that it is the fault of someone else who is working hard to get what HE wants – so they should take it away from him.

      • Old Henry

        “If you aren’t very smart, you will blame the problem on someone else or something else.”

        Hmmmm 45, who does that bring to mind???

      • Old Henry

        slayerwulfe:

        Here is a thought. Maybe they are getting ready to enter the Democrap primary for POTUS as this sort of stuff seems to be a requirement for them.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      If this is what you define as ordinary, I must be extra ordinary. I have nothing in common with these miscreants. Obviously, you feel that you do. Why don’t you go with them? You should leave this site and get on a bus and join them.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      So, Karoly, what do you find so redeeming about these current protestors?
      The open in your face smutty remarks?
      The public sex parties?
      The free condom booths?
      The gross amount of litter?
      The public urination and defecation?
      The hostile denial of the rule of law?
      The fact that at least half are ‘paid’ to be there?

      The Tea Party folks did NONE of that.

      I do hope you can tell the difference in a group who goes about the goal of change within the bounds of good citizenship and taste vs the group which thinks anarchy and stupidity is the way to go.

      • Karolyn

        So far I have seen no one post any links to verify those allegations. Please scross down to my later posts. If you want to see more tea party bloopers, please just go to YouTube and search tea party protesters.

      • Wlmitch1

        THEBLAZE

        ‘INCREASINGLY DEBAUCHED’: ARE SEX, DRUGS & POOR SANITATION ECLIPSING OCCUPY WALL STREET?

        Posted on October 10, 2011 at 7:20am by Billy Hallowell

        The situation down at Occupy Wall Street continues to deteriorate, as sanitary conditions teamed with the personal actions of the protesters appear to be eclipsing the political gathering’s original push for a more “equitable” society…

        Read more at:

        http://www.theblaze.com/stories/increasingly-debauched-are-sex-drugs-poor-sanitation-eclipsing-occupy-wall-street/

    • 45caliber

      Karolyn:

      Do “ordinary Americans” take a crap in public for someone else to clean up? Do they take drugs?

      I don’t think so.

      • Karolyn

        45 – Firstly, proof please! Secondly, search tea party demonstrations on YouTube. I am sure that a great many tea partiers would not want to be associated with all tea partiers. If these allegations are true, I don’t care who they are, if you get a large group of people together, there are bound to be those who will do off-the-wall things.

      • 45caliber

        Karolyn:

        Proof of what? That they take craps in public and use dope there? Watch some of the television news channels or go down to visit such a site. Fox News showed one character taking a dump next to a police car.

      • eddie47d

        That may have been sending the police a message that they can sniff out. Kinda like the middle finger! Some of those officers don’t deserve the respect either.

    • OB1

      This one’s for you, Karolyn. How do you sleep at night?

      http://biggovernment.com/mikeflynn/2011/10/09/occupyatlanta-protesters-object-to-speech-from-rep-john-lewis/#more-346944

      DaveH, Old Henry, JeffH, please make my posts viral. This is sick sh**&%. This is another one of who is behind this:

      http://biggovernment.com/lstranahan/2011/10/10/meet-the-anarchist-leaders-behind-the-leaderless-occupy-movement-part-one-lisa-fithian/

      • JeffH

        OB1…hmmmmm, more Marxist community organizing…can you say the Joyce Foundation, Developing Communities Project, the Woods Fund and Obama all in one breath…déjà vu all over again…

      • OB1

        Hell ya Dave! Keepn it up. I am already being censored.

      • JeffH

        OB1, excellant, both of the links say volumes about this OWS movement…the community organizers have the sheeple headed to the trough.

      • Karolyn

        Chalk up one for your side. Now scroll down to see one of Tea Partiers heckling a Parkinson’s victim sitting on the ground. Or go to YouTube and find the one of them heckling a woman in a wheelchair because she is going to lose her house because of her medication costs.

      • DaveH

        Can’t you provide us a link, Karolyn? I’m feeling a little Liberal today.

      • OB1

        Good for you!
        Go!

      • Karolyn

        Dave – I did say “scroll down” for a link. Is that too hard? All you have to do is search YouTube for Tea Party Demonstrations and you can find some really funny stuff with some really ignorant people behind it.

  • Mick

    What I find most offensive is stupid people on either side of their perceived fences. I stopped reading after the first sentence because I would have puked. You probably perceive yourself to be anti socialist and yet you freely use the most pure form of socialism, the Internet, to peddle your stupidity. You probably supported George bush as he created the largest socialist government in the western world (marx’s first tenet of socialism was to nationalize the banks). He almost single handedly brought the US to complete bankruptcy and now you are deriding people who lost their livelihoods because of his coke ridden actions. I suspect the rationale behind the protests is that there is no voting choice. You vote left you get wall street. You vote right you get wall street but also people that think intelligent design is science. You have about as much integrity as the idiots on the left who believe that global warming is science.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Stupid? That is exactly what your diatribe is. Of course, it depends on what your definition of is is.

    • Jerry

      Keep Drinking The Kool Aid Mick, I Hope There’s Enough To Go Around !! November 2012 Can’t Come Soon Enough, Then You’ll Hear The Real Voice Of The American People

      • eddie47d

        Yes Jerry you are falling for the left/right bickering and doing it in spades.That is drinking the kool aid.

      • Old Henry

        So eddie, you agree as Reagan that there is no righ or left, only up or down?

      • JeffH

        Old Henry, you know by now that eddie will say whatever fits his fancy…it doesn’t have to be true either…a voice of contradictions and confusion…

      • Old Henry

        Soooo Jeff, eddie does not live in the state of CO, he lives in the state of confusion?

      • eddie47d

        Only in Jeff’s mind!

      • JeffH

        Old Henry…exactly 24/7/365!

      • eddie47d

        Still taking Prozac Jeff for your obvious mental confusion?

      • Old Henry

        Jerry:

        The Chi Ka Go ganster organizer sees the wrtting on the wall. That is the main purpose of his ginning up of the protests. If he can get enough “civil disruption” taking place he will decare Martial Law and put an end to the 2012 election.

        Remember, the NC Gov. already flew that trial balloon.

      • texastwin827

        And that will get him real protestors. While marshal law depends heavily on military forces, the Prez might be surprised at the number of our current military who do NOT like what he is doing to their country…and their oath is to the US Constitution, not the person that fills the “president suit”.

      • Old Henry

        texastwinn:

        I pray you are correct (* was gonna say right, but I already know that).

        However, as I mentioned here earlier today I have seen it mentioned that Little Harrison J. Bonnell has NATO troops within our borders, but do not know if it is true. If true he could use them, or the Mexes or Canadians per GW Shrub.

      • Mick

        So let me get this straight. 1) I’m somehow more stupid than either of you and 2) I’m drinking from some sort of political kook aid, even though I’m the only one here with an original thought. Reread your replies and if you don’t like socialism don’t use the Internet to reply. And don’t look up the list of the most successful economies in thebworld because you’ll find they’re socialist too. And btw I’m not a socialist.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      The banks were in essence nationalized in 1934 under your hero Roosevelt. Do your homework before posting such stupid comments.

      • Mick

        What a stupid comment.

    • Dale on the left coast

      A little history Mik . . .
      Never let liberals forget that the sub-prime mortgage disaster was Bill Clinton’s fault. In 1995 President Clinton’s changes to the Community Reinvestment Act enabled ACORN to run a politically correct extortion campaign against mortgage lenders, compelling them by force of law to make unsound (sub-prime) loans to poor minorities who never stood a hope of repaying them.

      • bob wire

        Made lenders lend money? ~ Boy he must have been smart then. No wonder they cam him Slick Willy

  • Monte

    Good commentary on our present state of total confusion. Many have written on the roots of the dream world that leftists use to replace the world of reality and serves as their replacement for religion. I highly recommend the writings of Eric Vogelin for anyone interested in understanding this mental disease. You will view things from an entirely different perspective.

  • Bill Lee

    As soon as someone institutionalizes charity if turns rotten. God loves a cheerful giver. In otherwords, give as a response of gratitude not guilt. People pretending to be Robin Hood usually end up being the Sheriff of Nottingham pretty quickly.

  • Chuck Case

    I predict ugliness and violence as the eventual product of this “group”. Makes me very nervous because this is a mindless, incoherent mob.
    I believe the conservative voices need to challenge Obama and the dems about this, e.g. confront them directly regarding thier support and empathy or give them a chance to disavow. In short, when this ‘movement’ eventually evolves into violence, they will be associated with the movement. Thus, conservatives can openly say: “Is THIS the government you want”? If you vote for Obama and the Dems, , you are voting for anarchy!

    • Bill Lee

      You are right. I hope Cain will be the forerunner calling Obama on this crap come Tuesday’s debate. I hope we get some decent facilitators this time.

    • Karolyn

      Am I seeing something different than you when I see coverage of the protesters? I don’t think so. All you see is a proportion of young people, and it turns you off. Well, this is happening all over the world, never mind the US. Here near me, in Charlotte, the protested over the weekend and into Monday – smaller groups and mostly middle class working people from what could be seen. You are only seeing what you want to see. Have you not seen the diverse signs addressing a myriad of problems? Have you not heard the interviews of ordinary fathers and mothers? They are better people than me and you.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        How are they better than me? You are obviously a dupe, or a comrade in arms. In which case you do not belong on this site.

      • Karolyn

        They are standing up for what they believe in, not just sitting at a keyboard bitching about it!

      • Old Henry

        Karolyn:

        What, exactly do they believe in? Taking what is not theirs? Redistribution? That is simply Communism.

        Or, are they CIA dupes? Remember, the CIA stirred up the mess in the ME and Africa with their plants.

        I have been giving a lot of thought to Little Barry and an beginning to believe he was supprted by the CIA from a very young age and groomed to be where he is doing what he is doing – working at a furious pace to destroy the U.S.

      • eddie47d

        What I’ve seen is Americans speaking out and voicing their opinions on a variety of issues. The only violence and anger seems to be coming from the police or folks here assuming there will be violence. Seems like too many of you want to silence others and endorse a police state where other opinions are silenced.Some here are showing their true colors when it comes to the First Amendment and the right to assemble.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Old Herny, What K believes in, appears to change on a Whim!

      • DaveH

        Karolyn,
        Aren’t you supposed to be busy earning your taxpayer-funded salary?

      • Old Henry

        eddie:

        Ya spose it’s time to take the sons of bitches out and send them straight to hell? Now…. let me see…. what group espouses that philosophy? And which of their “leaders” tacitly endorsed said phylosophy?

      • OB1

        Paid troll.

      • eddie47d

        Old Henry are you quoting the right wingers on this site for I have heard that numerous times right here.Raggs comes to mind on that.

      • Jeryl

        I live in Charlotte and didn’t even notice them. Probably some of the same sad, anti-American, Communist wantabees that are at the other places.

      • Jeryl

        By the way, Fox News interviewed one of the leaders in Boston, who quite plainly said that they believe in “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” That’s right out of Karl Marx. Hmmm, wonder what their basic philosophy is?

      • Old Henry

        Jeryl:

        I’m guessing Little Barry will be recruting him to work in the WH very soon.

      • independent thinker

        There was a protestor in I believe San Francisco that, when asked why she was there, said because it is a protest. She had no clue what the protest was about nor did she care.

      • CP

        Karolyn, they do not WANT to see anything that might disagree with their pre-formed ideas of who and what is protesting. It would hurt their sensibilities to admit there might be someone other than the “pot smoking hippies” they so badly want this movement to be.

      • Bear

        Very good Karolyn. So, did you also notice the buses that brought them into your town to do the protests? This is what community organizers do. Want to have a really good protest? Recruit them from different cities and bus them to locations where prearranged medias like ABC, NBC and CBS are waiting to put it all over TV and in the papers. Most all of this is preplanned and the best part, all of the protesters get paid so now they have a job. Go to one of those big protest rallies and start talking to the protesters. Get friendly with them and then ask them where they’re from. Good luck in finding any locals.

      • eddie47d

        They are all locals here in Denver and Fort Collins so you do see what you want to see right Bear.Besides since it has become a National issue Americans should be able to voice there opinion where ever they want. No different than the Tea Party protesters who headed to Washington from various states. Do you also have a problem with that? Considering how tight money is I doubt if few will be venturing out of their own communities. People from every state go to work in NYC so you would indeed find protesters from many states.

      • Dntmkmecmoverther

        Don’t you find it the least bit odd that the leader of the SEIU choreographed this charade of protests? I went and visited with some of these miscontents and 7 out of 10 could not iterate why they were there nor what their goal was. 4 of them admitted to being paid to be there.

        As for there non violence I can not agree based on the evidence I witnessed: Liter by the ton; foul language is the prevailing context of conversation; 40 of these malcontents insisted on staying past curfew (which they knew of ahead of time because of posted signs and verbal warnings) and were arrested. I was threatened twice with bodily harm; I told the guy to bring it on but he refused (good thing for both of us).

        These people who are participating in these so called ‘occupy’ rallies are just being useful idiots. They are a FAR cry from what I witnessed with the Tea Party folks who never littered, never swore, and never got arrested. That’s a stark difference.

      • Old Henry

        Bear:

        I heard on the radio this morning that many of the protesters are being paid $250 – $650 per week.

      • eddie47d

        By whom? What talk show host made that claim? ?

      • JeffH

        New York’s Working Families Party has an ad on craigslist promising a salary of $350 – $650 per week for those who meet the group’s requirements.

        FIGHT TO HOLD WALLSTREET ACCOUNTABLE NOW! MAKE A DIFFERNENCE GET PAID!
        • Compensation: $350-$650 A Week Depending On Responsibility & Length Of Time On Staff
        http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/gov/2618821815.html

        I love their disclaimer though:

        *Attention Right Wing conspiracy theorists* This is an ad for our regular field representative position. We support the protesters but we don’t have the money to pay them!

        I guess only a good qualified Marxist community organizer can get the job…

      • Old Henry

        eddie:

        Limbaugh. Documented always right 99.6% of the time.

      • Old Henry

        Jeff:

        Maybe it should say Get Paid & Laid!

      • OB1
  • JeffH

    What’s wrong with this picture? That’s right, MARXISM and COMMUISM!

    The Tea Party protests, you remember the ones where the protesters were peacefull and cleaned up their garbage when they were all done, have been called every dirty name in the book including Nazi’s, racists, ignorant, un-American terrorists, gun totin’ rednecks, teabaggers and lied about by the leftist MSM and now the PTB are praising the “Occupy Wall Street” protests.

    Hello! The community organizers are hard at work, problem here is that the protester aren’t quite sure exactly what they’re protesting except that it involve the rich, wall street, corporations or any other successfull entity they envy. They’re calling for a revolution! The 70′s all over again. Drugssex and rock-n-roll!

    “…as Frances Fox Piven and Cloward taught us, poor people movements are successful when they create conditions of un-governability and then you win vicotries”

    I wonder who’s promoted this idea and who’s really behind it. Wait, I know… It’s SEIU ex-boss Steven Lerner and his stragey to disrupt Wall Street, and cause economic Chaos in the banking system, starting with JP Morgan Chase Banks. Take money from the rich, give it to the poor, at all cost. This is an American plotting against other Americans. Perhaps Obama could authorise another drone attack on these American plotters.

    The Left’s Economic Terrorism Playbook: The Chase Campaign by a Coalition of Unions, Community Groups, Lawmakers and Students to Take Down US Capitalism and Redistribute Wealth & Power.
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/revealed-the-lefts-economic-terrorism-playbook-the-chase-campaign-for-a-coalition-of-unions-community-groups-lawmakers-and-students-to-take-down-us-capitalism-and-redistribute-wealth-power/

    • Jeryl

      And isn’t it interesting that they want to redistribute the wealth and power to themselves. They’re worse than the bankers they claim are doing the damage. I will add this, however, that there are a lot of greedy fat cat bankers, but the answer is not the one being offered by the Lefties. Have you ever considered that what is going on now is actually pressure from the bottom (Lefties, communists, etc.) and from the top (wealthy, power-hungry fat cats).

      • Old Henry

        Jeryl:

        They are simply LAZY PARSITES.

        I read an on-line article yesterday where an individual (can’t remember his name) stated most of the protesters are trusfunders and son’t need to be there.

      • Song

        I just listened to one such young man on our local radio station this morning. He was full of righteous idealism about better education for the poor, disenfranchised youth in the inner cities, or the downtrodden family living solely off of welfare. These people just haven’t been given a “fair” chance, he stated over and over again. They are stuck in a “cycle of poverty” which they simply can’t escape. The government, he continued has to do more! Help them more! Teachers need to do more! I tell you, I wanted to come through the radio to listen to this young man of 18 regurgitate the propaganda that has been spoon fed to our young people for the past 30 years. IT IS DISGUSTING! What we are seeing is a contest of ideologies and it is very simple. Who is responsible for their lives? Many on the “right” will say it is the individual. Many on the “left” will say it is anyone except for the individual because the individual is a “victim” of whatever they want to use for an excuse that day. Our country was not founded on the “people are victims” mentality.

      • Old Henry

        Song:

        Sounds like the “guvment” plantation to me.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Hear, hear Jeffh, I love it when Beck exposes the suckers for who they really are!___There is ALOT of people becoming increasingly confused by the OWS. Make no mistake folks they are NOTHING good!__The marchers are either vague about protest demands or are saying what folks want to hear, to attract additional supporters!__KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!

      • JeffH

        Angel, it was Beck 6 months ago that was making this prediction of unrest in the streets…

      • Angel Wannabe

        JeffH, Beck predicted alot he never gets credit for!__I watch him every night 5-7 without fail!

    • Angel Wannabe
      • eddie47d

        You bet and the protesters are telling Wall Street stop Treading on Me!You want to wreck our economy we will take you to task. Don’t Tread On Me! The Patriots took action against the British and their unfair practices and sent them packing. The American people need the courage to take on these new exploiters of our economic system (Wall Street and crony capitalists). Tell them to change their ways for they don’t own us. America isn’t a one sided deal where we do all the work and they reap all the rewards. Enough is Enough!

      • Dntmkmecmoverther

        The ‘new exploiters’ is the current administration: to the tune of 1.5 trillion in ONE year! No business or industry can top that level of economic fraud…and they paid off those financial institutions who support the democrats. You are barking up the wrong tree pal; go look at your buddy Obummer and his failed economic plans…there you will find the cause and remedy of our current cesspool situation.

      • eddie47d

        Obama as President like any President is part of the problem but he certainly didn’t cause the chaos. The blame needs to be laid straight at the feet of Congress and their Wall Street pals.

      • DaveH
      • Marty S.

        Hey Ed what if all these protesters went and bought the stock of the companies in competition with the ones they are mad at and drove them out of business with this kind of warfare? If they cant beat them why not buy some stock in them?

    • mark

      Actually numerous Tea Party protestors, not the majority of them, did hold up racist signs and Obama-as-Hitler signs and carried guns outside town hold meetings to intimidate their opponents.

      • JeffH

        Uh mark, mark, mark…those sign were being carried by leftist infiltators put there by the SEIU and crash the teaparty.org’s Jason Levin…problem is, it didn’t work..they just weren’t bright enough even with the MSM behind them.

        Jason Levin, creator of http://www.crashtheteaparty.org, said Monday the group has 65 leaders in major cities across the country who are trying to recruit members to infiltrate tea party events for April 15—tax filing day, when tea party groups across the country are planning to gather and protest high taxes.

        Levin says they want to exaggerate the group’s least appealing qualities, further distance the tea party from mainstream America and damage the public’s opinion of them.

        The site manifesto says they want to dismantle the Tea Party by nonviolent means. “We have already sat quietly in their meetings, and observed their rallies,” the site said.

        Another tea party organizer said the attempt to destroy the movement was evidence its message is resonating.

        “We’ve been ignored, we’ve been ridiculed. Well, now they’re coming after us,” said Judy Pepenella, a co-coordinator for the New York State Tea Party. “Gandhi’s quote is one we understand: ‘First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.’”

      • Song

        I love the claims from people like Mark and/or Tony or maybe they are one and the same without any factual evidence to back up their fallacious claims…EVER! They are so willing to be “lead by the nose” Sad for them!

      • Dale on the left coast

        Liar, liar pants on fire Mark . . .
        You are a lefties loon . . . like the protesters on Wall Street, void of any FACTS, 90% of the problems in America today . . . were caused by the GOVERNMENT ! ! !

      • mark

        Lots of our problems are caused by the government. But many more are caused by corporations and by the boom-and-bust cycle of capitalism. In its entire existence capitalism has always operated as a boom-and-bust system with sharp downturns, recessions, and on occasions, depressions. This is built into the capitalist system as anyone with even a sixth-grade knowledge of economics knows. Capitalism cannot exist without recessions. There has never been a recession-proof capitalist system in all of human history. It is in the nature of the beast. But this last one was created by criminal corporate speculation, negligence, and greed. You keep criticizing the government but Corporate America OWNS the government! That is why the goon cops are attacking the demonstrators. Corporate America buys the legislators and calls the tune. They bribe legislators to get rid of banking and mortgage regulations and then criticize the law makers for accepting their bribes and carrying out their instructions! And the Tea Party agrees with them! In fact the Koch Brothers and Dick Armey’s Freedomworks Lobby have virtually co-opted the Tea Party movement. Corporate American now owns the Tea Party too! That is why you will not hear one of them criticize Wall Street and the banks. They are the Tea Party’s new masters. The once feisty Tea Party have been reduced to corporate bootlickers like Congress, and the libertarians.

      • DaveH

        Mark,
        You’re an ignoramus. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. The major booms and busts have all been a result of Government meddling in the economy. For instance, the Federal Reserve was created to level out the business cycle, but just 16 years later we had the Great Depression which lasted 10 years. Did your fellow Liberals learn from this? No, they want more.
        Study some of the links I’ve posted and learn something (that is if you want to learn).
        Better yet, pick up a copy of “How Capitalism Saved America” by Thomas DiLorenzo, and quit being an ignoramus.

      • independent thinker

        Even if we accept your boom and bust theory as fact it is better than the constant bust of a communiast or pure socialist system.

  • s c

    Roseanne Barr almost rates a free pass – compared to scum like Cloward and Piven and everybody’s favorite communist, Van Jones. It’s not every ex-con who can claim to have been a czar for Opraiseme.
    Cloward and Piven are prime examples of ‘people’ who have happily disconnected from the human race, and yet claim to give a damn (as long as it’s revolution and destruction, that is). They are gleefully beyond sick.
    Roseanne I can tolerate. As for the others, put them in uniforms, and let them try to get through one day in combat conditions. Better yet, drop them into North Korea via parachute, and let them try to convince the North Koreans that ‘it isn’t what it looks like. We’re friends.’ That’s true social justice, folks.

    • ralph herman

      With forward thinking like the author had it prevailed in our fore fathers we would be singing “Gpd Save the Queen.”We are being destroyed by robber barons and getting less and less for what we have and pay more for what they have.Long live labor unions and decent over wrong thinking greedy pigs.

      • Bill

        where did you come from? The wall street protests?
        Go get a job!!

      • Karolyn

        Why the assumption that anyone who opposes your views is not working?

      • Marcus

        Time for the water cannon to clean up!

      • Old Henry

        Karolyn:

        He is a union guy. They do not really work even when they do have a yob…

      • eddie47d

        The Tea Partiers(Bless them) said we should take back America and you all cheered because you knew something was wrong. The Wall Street protesters say we should take back America because they also have seen America declining. Yet you all are now trying to close your minds and acting like nothing is wrong. If both sides see big problems then there has to be a common thread in shaping a more honest government. If crony capitalism is the evil that has to be changed then start working together and drive home that same point.

      • denniso

        The rightwingers who love the gunslinging tea party now decry the ‘Occupy’ movement for trying to tell the country that the wall street fatcats and super wealthy who screwed up the economy are now skating free of any responsibility for our mess…millions of workers w/o jobs while CEO’s still collect their multi million $ salaries. The wealthy paying their lowest tax rates in 60 yrs while our debt ballons because of the recession.

        Commies and cuckoos? That’s a total joke! When you rightwingers disapprove of anything you are reduced to spewing out, ‘Commies’,'Marxists’,and now the worst word yet,’Hippies’!!!

        Interesting that one contrast w/ the tea party is the focus on wall street and corporate greed and corruption,which the tea people ignored entirely…only because the tea party is backed and funded by corporate fatcats who orchestrated the rage toward gov’t instead.

      • Caroline

        This is to everyone here who can’t see the difference between the “Tea Partiers” protests and those occuring now on Wall Street, etc. The difference is that the Tea Partiers are protesting the government and the Wall Streeters are protesting those who actually create the jobs! Wall Street as a whole is not the problem. It was the government who bailed out the banks and corporations only to have them go bankrupt and/or give themselves raises. The government (i.e. President and Congress) GAVE OUR MONEY AWAY!!! All this “too big to fail” crap needs to go. Capitalism is based on the idea that you work hard and you grow your business and make a profit. There is nothing wrong with businesses making a profit honestly. The problem is when politicians reward failure with bailouts. And finally to all those union people, without corporations, there would be NO union jobs (and no jobs at all)! Then where would the government get their tax money from for all those “entitlements” you think you are entitled to!

      • Vicki

        Denniso writes:
        “The wealthy paying their lowest tax rates in 60 yrs while our debt ballons because of the recession.”

        Our debt ballons because OBAMA and a Democrat Congress chose to spend trillions more money then they had from taxing even the rich.

        ================================
        ccording to the Office of Management and Budget, the debt held by the public will grow by $3.3 trillion. In 20 months, Mr. Obama will add as much debt as Mr. Bush ran up in eight years.

        Mr. Obama’s spending plan approved by Congress last February calls for doubling the national debt in five years and nearly tripling it in 10
        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704320104575015072822042394.html
        =================================================

        You may not agree with my sources but unlike Denniso and most liberals I have some.

      • Vicki

        Now for a moment let us look at taxing the rich even more than the paltry amount they pay to cover all that spending.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ

      • skip

        Only a mere 25 million unemployed or underemployed, I’m sure all because none of them want to work -especially those scum-bag teachers, firemen, policemen, and their common travellers who earn minimum wage planting and picking sweet potatoes, working Macdonalds, GodFather Pizza, and the like. Please tell me why Leonard Blankfein of Goldman Sachs needs 2 billion, not a cent of it earned by doing anything but picking the money out of the basket as it passes by, declares all of his income capital gains, and thus avoids even paying Social Security or Medicare taxes. WHen the 400 richest Americans control 90% of the wealth, we are in sad, sad shape. The Tea Partiers, other than those bought lock, stock, and barrel by the Koch Brothers, stand to lose absolutely everything. Sure,they can go back to subsistence farming of 1855 much like SUdan and Niger today, but that is how they ought to expect to live. When 8% of the nations Interstate trucking is quagmired on the Boehner/McConnell bridge over the Ohio and those wizards can’t figure out it is a good thing for traffic to flow and commerce to proceed, let them be the first to go back to back-breaking tobacco farming.

        More power to those exercising their first amendment rights – none of our founding fathers could have imagined the kleptocracy this nation has become. WIth no middle class – and don’t fool yourselves, Tea Partiers, absent the Koch Brothers paying your bus trips, you are middle class – this nation will not survive.

      • eddie47d

        Caroline and Vickie; Wall street seldom creates jobs anymore than Washington creates jobs. They are both important yet equally broken. The wealthy in Washington and on Wall Street don’t deserve your pity yet you seem to be giving it to them. I think they have both done enough damages to our economy so pick your poison. We may have to live with them but we certainly don’t have to accept the shenanigans from either entity.

      • denniso

        Caroline…you say that w/o corporations there would be no jobs. Really? So before modern industrial societies came along there were no jobs? For all the thousands of yrs before corporations came along there were no people building houses,sellig goods,making products that people needed to exist? You’ve got it precisely backwards,w/o workers there would be no corporations or billionaire CEO’s. Show me a single CEO who has ever produced a product on his own. Doesn’t happen,does it? Corporations have taken over much of the work and production,but where would they be w/ no workers?

      • denniso

        Rightwingers,oh rightwingers!!! Where are you? Can any of you defend corporations and the wealthy as the only and most important ‘job creators’,as compared to the real job creators? The people who buy products,consummers,and the workers who actually make everthing that is bought and sold are the real job creators. Like I said,show me one product that was ever made by the CEO or the board of a corporation. Show me a CEO who has ever driven a truck full of goods to market. Can Bill Gates or Steve Jobs physically build anything? Can GM,Ford or Toyota even exist w/o the workers?

        If we returned to the old days before corporations,we would still have working people making things that others would buy and use. If everything goes to hell in the future,how well do you thing a CEO will function if his money is worthless? Do you thing a carpenter or firewood cutter would be better off? Every man/woman who can work w/ their hands and can make/repair things will survive much better than a Bill Gates,because CEO’s can’t do much of anything except make money.

      • vicki

        Denniso writes:
        “Can Bill Gates or Steve Jobs physically build anything?”

        Why yes they can. They don’t need to however. Lots of people offer to do it for them in exchange for money.

        Denniso: “Can GM,Ford or Toyota even exist w/o the workers?”
        Why yes they can. Robots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spRyegwBhKg

      • denniso

        Bill Gates can’t build anything at all…people like him have ideas or a ‘vision’,and can write software,but they need actual skilled people to do the real ‘work’. Despite the advance of automation in car plants and other manufacturing they still need people. Why has much of our manufacturing gone to third world countries? Because of the cheap HUMAN labor costs there… anyone who thinks a bit and is not blinded by ideology knows that workers and consummers are the real job creators…corporations provide the venue for production and marketing,but the workers come first in the process.

      • Vicki

        Denniso writes:
        “anyone who thinks a bit and is not blinded by ideology knows that workers and consummers are the real job creators…corporations provide the venue for production and marketing,but the workers come first in the process.”

        So let us test this theory. Workers and Consumers are the job creators. If this is so then why do we need government to create jobs? Obviously the liberal claim that we spend tax money to create jobs is, as conservatives have always known, a lie.

        Now another test of Denniso’s theory. There are lots of workers. There are lots of consumers. So why then are so many jobs missing?

        Another test. Bill Gates wants to start a new business selling cars. Bill knows nothing about cars but he knows that there are people out there who do. Bill decides he needs 10,000 people to help him. Bill takes out an ad in the newspaper saying he has 10,000 jobs for skilled people.

        According to Denniso’s logic Bill the worker/consumer created jobs.
        So which really came first The skilled workers or the jobs? Or was it just one person with, according to Denniso, no skills.

        Or just maybe Denniso’s theory is in error. (Or poorly stated)

      • denniso

        In case you hadn’t noticed Vickie,we’re in a recession and could have been in a depression. A recession sucks money from almost everybody,except the wealthy,so the consummers are worried and holding on to their money. If consummers weren’t so nervous about their money,job and future,we would see the economy improve. Sure,in an industrial economy the wealthy have the capital to start businesses,but if they were’nt around we would have small biz people filling the needs of consummers. In an industrial society we need both capital and labor,but what good would capital be if there were no workers to build the products?

      • vicki

        denniso says:
        “A recession sucks money from almost everybody,except the wealthy,so the consummers are worried and holding on to their money.”

        A recession does no such thing. Consumers are waiting for prices to go down on stuff they want. ALL consumers, be they business or individual.

        Denniso: “If consummers weren’t so nervous about their money,job and future,we would see the economy improve.”

        So tell gov to quit messing with taxes so consumers (including businesses) can have a stable environment to make investment decisions.

        Denniso: “Sure,in an industrial economy the wealthy have the capital to start businesses,but if they were’nt around we would have small biz people filling the needs of consummers.”

        Small businesses have ALWAYS filled the needs of THEIR consumers. They could do so again if government over regulation (which big businesses can afford) would please go away.

        Denniso: “In an industrial society we need both capital and labor,but what good would capital be if there were no workers to build the products?”

        As I have shown you previously workers are NOT needed to build products hence your argument is flawed. In case you missed or ignored it here is another link to an automated assembly line proving that humans are not needed to build products.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYRmlljrT7A

      • vicki

        And in case the link to the automated build is not enough to convince you that humans are not needed to build products try this. You can even buy this for your very own home.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7XKrNJlgJg

      • Old Henry

        Bill:

        LOL! And speaking of the protests, yesterday I read an on-line article about the degredation taking place in NYC. Basically Sex, Drugs and Rock ‘n Roll. They have baskets of free condums in the Main Areea as I think they called it. No one can state their real purpose other than, yep, Sex, Drugs and Rock ‘n Roll. It sounded like a re-make of the maggot invested scum protesters of the 60s.

      • denniso

        That’s a rather mindless comment.Maybe you could pay attention a bit more?

      • DaveH

        That’s a rather ironic comment coming from the king of mindless comments — Denniso.

      • Opal the Gem

        maybe you should get out more dennis the menace I read an article that said much the same thing.

      • bluefish46

        I would like to see “Old Henry” carry a satchel and do my union job for a day(letter carrier). He probably wouldn’t last an hour. But more to the point, both sides here are too simplistic. Some of the protesters (both now and in the 60′s) are right. Some of the Wall Street companies took money from their clients and then turned around and took money from the government(too big to fail?). The war in Vietnam was wrong(because the political leaders and the military fought it wrong-we won militarily, remember?). We need to get rid of the congress critters that are more focused on enriching themselves (Pelosi,Obama et al) than taking care of business(you know, not bankrupting the coutry).

      • Karolyn

        Old – Do you believe everything you read online? How about a link? Also, these protesters are a wide and veried cross-section of Americans protesting a lot more than Wall Street. I suggest you look a little closer. There may be the types of people you look down your nose at, but there are also people like your own neighbors.

      • Vicki

        Bluefish46 writes:
        “Some of the Wall Street companies took money from their clients and then turned around and took money from the government(too big to fail?). ”

        Unlike Obamacare NONE of the wall street companies took money at gunpoint.
        They accepted money freely offered to them by their clients and by government.

        The real problem is that government took our money at gunpoint and then gave it to SOME cronies in WallStreet. Hence you see that Reagan was correct. Government is not the solution.

      • Old Henry

        Karolyn:

        It was either World Net Daily, Newsmax, Vision to America, Patriot Update, Conservative Bytes, News With Views, Town Hall

      • Old Henry

        Karolyn:

        Whoops. Try this one. I had to dig around in the Delete folder and then hit Submit too soon.

        http://patriotupdate.com/13147/sex-drugs-poor-sanitation-eclipsing-occupy-wall-street

      • Old Henry

        What does that satchel weigh bluefish46?

        That is part of the problem. People try to make our problems complex. They are not. Too much “guvment”. Period. Eliminate ALL un-Constitutional goverment and the country will thrive, the budget will not only be balanced, but surplussed and the debt will be paid off. Oh, and there will be NO IRS as it is one of the illegal agencies.

      • skip

        Absolute nonsense – what kool aid are you drinking?

      • bob wire

        “Unlike Obamacare NONE of the wall street companies took money at gunpoint.”

        Right! They used extortion instead

      • olinda moore

        for me old the left is doing is destroing more America,the big companies are looking at what happens now in USA they probably pack and go to China less tax for them to pay and more prosperity, i said to all of them is time to thing and go do all this left tea party in from of the White House let the president see what his done to our people; not in Wall Street,thing the hat is not only for the hesd is for think and do……………….

      • vicki

        bob wire says:
        “Right! They used extortion instead.”

        Of course I am right. Government uses criminal force. Companies use ingenuity or compelling argument.
        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/extorting?show=0&t=1318455895

        Government ignores free will
        Companies appeal to free will.

        Government is anti-choice.
        Companies are pro choice.

      • http://MSN.com Mary T

        Occupy Wall Street seeks to demonize big banks, large corporations and capitalism. Its goal is to overturn America’s economic structure. The protesters are calling for wealth redistribution, fees on bank profits and massive tax increases on the rich.

        Many are demanding a socialist revolution — the confiscation of private property and nationalization of the economy. They are the heirs of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels and Vladimir Lenin. Their aim is to impose the hammer and sickle upon America.

        Mr. Obama has said he “sympathizes” with the protesters — especially their anger at Wall Street and “fat-cat” bankers. For years, he has demonized billionaires and millionaires, jet owners and corporate America. His divisive, irresponsible rhetoric has laid the groundwork for Occupy Wall Street.

        Who are the people supporting the Wall Street protesters? Occupy Wall Street — a movement composed of communists, anarchists, socialists and anti-globalization student radicals — is spreading.
        Protests have swelled in cities including New York, Washington, Los Angeles, Chicago, Denver and Philadelphia. The protesters are gaining influence and numbers. A ragtag group of hippie students has turned into a potent political force.

      • Chris Schilke

        Mary T,
        The sad thing is that people can’t see how Obama is becoming one of the fat cats himself. If he’s not yet he will when he gets out of office. The attainment of power seems to be the goal of most politicians. I’d like to believe that there are at least a few honest ones out there.

      • Karolyn

        The protests have also caught on in other countries.

      • libertytrain

        Karolyn – I didn’t see anyone gathered in protest and crapping in the streets in Germany a week or so ago while I was there, but I didn’t go to Paris – they appear
        inclined to litter the streets with their bodily excrement. That I have witnessed without any protests going on. Just everyday life for them.

      • http://apfn.org Anthony Clifton

        Dingbats watching Talmudvision doesn’t change True. One simply must have true Information to reach true conclusions. Funny how that works. – http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm – Communism comes from Talmudic Judaism. Freemasonry comes from Talmudic Judaism. Zionazism comes from Talmudic Judaism. So-called “Jews” are not Israelites. The Federal Reserve “NOTES” are not “dollars”. Stupid will never change true….Ring…Ring, telephone rings…somebody says ”Whatcha doin”?

      • Louis P

        Socialist revolution? Confiscation of private property? I worked too damned hard for what little I Have but, if you want to see a revolution, just try taking my property and I will give anyone a personal introduction to what a revolution is. They will meet face to face with the business end of a .357.

        Then we’ll see how much they really want a revolution.

      • Randy131

        Obama’s class warfare rhetoric has ignited the occupying rioters on the American streets, which is growing ever larger each day, and providing Obama with what he wants, an excuse to declare Marshall Law and cancel all elections until he deems order to be restored, continueing his Presidency for as long as he wants. Think that is a reach and impossible, just wait till the first of the year of 2012, and the polls become even worse for Obama, and he realizes he has no chance to be re-elected. The Anti-Christ is given political power for the first 3 1/2 years durring the Tribulation, then through tyranny takes it the next 3 1/2 years, until he can be thrown out of power, could this be the set up that cancels elections 3 1/2 years into Obama’s first term? Makes one think of the possibilities, doesn’t it, for will the Biblical Prophecies ever come true, and in what ways?

      • Chris Schilke

        You know Randy131, you could be exactly right. It will take a crisis to usher in the NWO. This could be the trigger to do it. However, I believe Obama is just a stooge, a front for the real power players. They might just use him to throw the wrench into the works. Time to get on our knees and pray then get up and do something about it. Although I’m not sure exactly what to do other than to pray for peace so that the crisis is stalled. I’m not sure I’m ready yet.

      • Glenn Leahey

        MAYBE, just maybe, try to TALK with some of these protesters if they’re in your area. OR maybe check a newsource like NPR radio which has posted interviews with some of them. While they seem (and some of them certainly are) like a group of un-showered, smelly anarchists, some of them have legitimate gripes…people who have “retired” and (after the fact) have lost some/all of their pensions because of financial malfeasance…people who can’t retire because their home values have plummeted over 50%–60%….ALL THE WHILE the rich in this country (and in the world) are getting richer. Some Ron Paul supporters are now part of the protests as well! The tax code is now over 1400 lbs. and poor and working people didn’t make it that heavy. Screw the K street lobbyists…let’s END CRONY CAPITALISM! (and vote out their supporters in Washington, DC…BOTH parties! (follow the money…)

      • Old Henry

        Yes Chris, pray and lay in the weeds with dry powder. Don’t act too hastily. Wait and watch. Don’t let them force our hand and give them the reason. However, if necessary that is where the dry powder comes into play.

      • Erik

        Yes, bible fairy tales are very scary…….to the ignorant, unwashed masses. Maybe we should fear Darth Vader. He’s very scary. wooo……..

      • Houizi

        … and take a bath while you’re at it!

      • http://www.roman-empire-america-now.com/Roman-Empire-blog.html Douglas C. Smyth

        Idiot! That’s part of the problem: no jobs. And Obama has nothing to do with this movement; if he’d put through a stimulus that built jobs instead of Wall Street bonuses, there wouldn’t be any need for this movement. As for redistribution, it’s been happening in reverse since Ron Reagan, which is why there is greater inequality in the US than in any other developed nation (and a good many underdeveloped ones, too). We need progressive taxes so that the people who benefit the most from an orderly nation and an educated and skilled one, also pay the most.

      • Void1972

        I agree with protesting against the corrupt bankers and government that have destroyed America and Europe, but these freaks that have gathered in our cities are mostly communist and the end result of “problem, reaction, solution.
        The “problem” was created by the democrats in giving away houses that the minorities could never afford.
        The ‘reaction” was bankers making trillions off of securities based on those mortgages that were never meant to be sold.
        The “solution” is what is happening now, the end of the free market and freedom.
        This has been extremely well thought out and the result will be revolution in America.
        I have to give the communist much due credit, but in the end you will lose.
        God bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

      • Capitalist at Birth

        When you come to steal my stuff, as I am a greedy pig, be prepared for the fight of your live. I have five firearms and thousands of rounds of ammunition. LOL Get a life you obviously are a commie pinko fag.

      • CP

        Hello,Uncle Joe, McCarthy, that is, not Stalin. He could see a communist behind every bush and inside every shadow.

      • Old Henry

        CP, Joe had pretty good eyesight!

      • Redd Frogg

        Wake up fool! They aren’t in the bushes and the shadows. They are in the government, the schools, the unions and in almost all media. Now they have no doubt co-opted (hijacked) the Occupy protesters. They are marching upon the homes of the so called rich. However, none of these rich are Democrats or Social*ists. How about marching upon the homes of George Soros, Michael Moore and Nancy Pelosi for examples. Oh no! Can’t do that! They are examples of those who have hijacked them, their cause and installed (brainwashed) the stand into their heads that they are now taking. The protesters have become the useful idiots the Social*ists are so fond of killing after all is said and done. Don’t believe me? Go look it up in history. Useful idiots are always killed in the end.

      • Vicki

        CP writes:
        Hello,Uncle Joe, McCarthy, that is, not Stalin. He could see a communist behind every bush and inside every shadow.”

        And history has demonstrated that he was correct. There were. Now they are out in the open and all over Hollywood, the streets and in powerful government positions.

      • eric

        This guy conveniently forgets that while Hitler killed over 200,000 American soldiers, Stalin killed none and in fact probably saved that many by destroying Hitler’s armies in the Eastern front.

      • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

        Actually, Stalin received a gift from his fellow collectivist FDR – after the Russians ‘liberated’ a number of German POW camps there were many US troops that should have been repatriated – instead Stalin was allowed to keep them – this is the real reason Patton wanted to take on Russia – and that was one reason why he was murdered as well as to keep him from talking about how the war was prolonged for the sake of the war industry

      • johnk

        if you remember, it was either that or Hitler would’ve wiped the memory of Lenin and Stalin off the face of the earth.

      • Old Henry

        Yes johnk, Hitler got very over-extended. Sound familiar?

        If Hitler had gone after Stalin / Russia first, taken them out and then began with the rest of Europe he might have been able to pull it off.

      • Thomas B

        You hit the nail on the head! It’s commie pinko fag. Those are the enemy! They are the sneaky behind the scenes freaky occult weirdos who also, unbeknownst to many, are into practicing witchcraft too. They are very secretive about this aspect of themselves! They practice black magic in which they can actually kill people, and this I know because I know some of them and what they’ve done. The witches and wizards are always gay. They are less than human once they progress to the occult stage of their de-evolvement. They should not be allowed rights. If we survive obamma, it should and will be open season on these parasites. They don’t plan on us surviving though, and they have their plans all made for a sweeping crushing victory over America. That’s why the head of the snake must be cut off right away.

      • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

        You are a damned fool for thinking that this popular discontent model could be so simplistically pigeon holed – there is a divergence of views in this – some mind you SOME of this movement could be aptly fitted into what you are saying – but your model is simplistic and thus dismisses many like me that simply want honest competition – honest wages and an accountable lawful government unlike the system we have now regardless of which marionette the plutocracy has in the oval office

      • Karolyn

        ooooeeeeooooo! I’m shakin’ in muh boots! Yours is the kind of mentality we want running this country? Give me a break!

      • Chris

        I bet you live in a cave and carry a club. Yoy sound like a neanderthal.

      • Vicki

        Thomas B writes:
        “They should not be allowed rights.”

        Don’t you just hate having to give people you don’t like what you demand for yourself?

        Any power you give government to take away rights of those you do not like can and WILL be used against you when they get control of government.

      • skip

        You guys are caught up in the Commie hysteria – they went out decades ago. What you had better catch up with that we have become a nation of dumbed-down, uneducated, hyper-greedy wastrels. It is the opposite of communism that is wrecking us – control in the hands of the super rich, the rest of us destined to be their slaves one way or another. The one remaining so-called communist nation is China, and they are out-educating, out producing, out thinking is at every step. We decided the solar energy, for example, would threaten our oil-producing buddies, so they picked it up and will bury us even worse when the real energy crunches come. Why can’t we at least produce the stuff, even if you don’t want it used here. Why our our huge corporations sitting on trillions of money in the bank and not patriotic enough to invest it here in what was the good old USA? We could build one hell of a lot of excellent and efficient infrastructure that they could partner in. And were you aware that in 1936, about 90% of this nation, particularly the farms, had no electricity, private enterprise wasn’t up to the task, that good old commie pinko pig FDR stepped up to the plate and got it done with all those worthless scumbags who didn’t want to work and wanted to live forever on the dole putting their shoulders to the wheel. Same with the Hoover Dam, TVA, etc. – all plots of the commies to take us over. If so, bring on the commies – if that is what they can do, I’d take them over Wall Street and the Koch Brothers any day.

      • Old Henry

        Yeah Vicki, when they came after the jews I did nothing for I was not a Jew. When they came after the blacks I did nothing for I was not a black. When they came after the Christiians I did nothing for I was not a Christian. And then they came after me….

      • http://www.roman-empire-america-now.com/Roman-Empire-blog.html Douglas C. Smyth

        Wow! Witches, wizards and commies! What have you been smoking? Oh, and try spelling for a change.

      • vicki

        Skip writes:
        “And were you aware that in 1936, about 90% of this nation, particularly the farms, had no electricity, private enterprise wasn’t up to the task, that good old commie pinko pig FDR stepped up to the plate and got it done”

        Yes that pig pulled out his government force and took money at gunpoint (just try to not pay taxes) from private enterprise for his pet cause. If he were just a citizen he would have been thrown in jail as a common thief.

      • CP

        Hey Ralph, it is nice to hear someone other than a McCarthy sound-alike on here. Too many of the posts I see on here want nothing to do with the unions, as they do cost the manufacturer more money. Even worse, they protect the worker from arbitrary firing or reduction in pay. I will agree that some of them, the leadership, anyway, have gone a bit past what they were originally organized to do, but life with them is still a LOT better than it would be without them.

      • Old Henry

        A bit past what they were originally organized to do CP?

        Now, that is the understatement of the year, if not the century.

        Where do unions get off telling ANYONE how much they have to pay someone? If you do not like your job / pay / conditions go start your own business and compete against them. Take their workers / labor force away by paying the higher wages, etc.

      • Vicki

        But Old Henry that is not the socially responsible way to redistribute wealth. The ONE TRUE WAY is to form a union and shut down the plant so no one gets wealth. Then beg the government to protect you from those mean capitalists. Maybe forcing them to pay you even if you don’t bother to produce anymore cause the union will protect you from being fired.

      • eddie47d

        I bet there is not a family in America who hasn’t benefited directly or indirectly from unions. The time off and many other benefits that corporations give and even small businesses can be linked to what unions fought for.

      • Vicki

        Eddie47d writes:
        “I bet there is not a family in America who hasn’t benefited directly or indirectly from unions.”

        I can play that game too.

        I bet there is not a family in America who hasn’t been harmed directly or indirectly from the irresponsible actions of unions.

        Now here is the difference. I provide a cite for my bet. Where’s yours?
        http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/LaborUnions.html

      • Marty S.

        You brought up a point about unions in the mfg setting which is reasonable to an extent and based on history it makes sense to keep companies from abusing their employees keeping wages competitive etc. However, we never should have allowed the creation of government service employee unionization which encourages and emboldens these bodies to turn on the taxpayer and hold them hostage.

        These “occupy” demonstrations are the beginning of the next level of abuses being perpetrated against a free America stemming from the government unions and thugocracy. These demonstrations are nothing more than a veil or front. It is all so sickening to observe. God save the USA while this whole disgusting scenario plays out. This will period we are enduring will go down in history as the true dark age of our great country. “Hope and change” ie the FUNDAMENTAL transformation the Marxist-in-Chief promised in exchange for his election in 08′ is now beginning to take its final shape. Stay tuned for more smoke and mirrors by this administration and more trembling by those elected to congress too chicken to stand up for what is right and demand Obama’s resignation.

      • Jeryl

        Ralphie, methinks you are a marxist. Yes, there is human greed and it stinks, but the answer those radicals offer is way off base.

      • Vicki

        They are demonstrating the epitome of human greed. They are demanding that they get something for nothing.

      • eddie47d

        They are demanding that Wall Street plays fair and stop buying off our political and economic system.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “They are demanding that Wall Street plays fair and stop buying off our political and economic system.”

        Actually they are not demanding anything. Their website even explicitly says so.

        “…. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.”
        http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

      • wandamurline

        This whole thing is a distraction set out by the unions, the communists, the Demorats and BHO. This is to distract us from what is going on in Washington, i.e. Fast and Furious and Solydra. They want you to take your eye off the ball. These new hippies (at least the hippies of the 60′s had one thing on their mind besides LSD, and that was to stop the Viet Name war so the cowards in college were not drafted into the war and sent overseas)do not have a common cause…they just want the working class to take care of them….I call them leaches, not hippies. I am sure that there are some in the mob with justifiable grievances, but most are just your usual dumbed down college students that have paid for a pedigree education and got took. You can bet with the unions involved in this, it will turn ugly before long….just wait for it. The news organizations are spurring it along to try to take away from the tea parties….nice try, we continue to work to rid ourselves of ridiculous treacherous socalled representation….can’t wait until 2012.

      • eddie47d

        So people who protested the Vietnam war were cowards but the dozens of folks on this site who clamor for troop withdrawal and an end to the Iraq War are what now??Wandamurline extremism’s and name calling are solving nothing and is only allowing the Elites to keep these wars in perpetuity. What are you doing to end these wars and corral the abuses at Wall Street and Washington?

      • Old Henry

        In answer to your last sentence eddie – Vote Ron Paul.

        It is that simple.

        Rather than Ron Paul / Gary Johnson, how ’bout Rond Paul / DaveH?

      • JeffH

        Old Henry, either one would work for me…

      • DaveH

        Lol. Thanks Henry, but they don’t make a bullet-proof vest thick enough for me.

      • jyrine

        Yes eddie47d, they were and still are cowards and trators.

      • Old Henry

        Wanda, very good post. And we SHOULD NOT have to wait until 2012, but the “stoneless” leadership (for lack of a better term) in the House just cannot bring itself to do what needs to be done.

      • LAN

        OK, so whatever Obama wants is what needs to be done? Have some more Kool-Aid dude. All these diversions do not change the fact that spending is out of control, the climate is not good for small business, and Obama rewards his friends and punishes his enemies.

      • Glenn Leahey

        FYI: Ron Paul supporters are now part of the Occupy Wall Street protests in MANY cities. Why? The tax code is BLOATED now…1400+ pages and poor and working people didn’t make it that way. Maybe. just maybe if the “SPECIAL INTERESTS”, THEIR “k” STREET LOBBYISTS are “excised” from federal legislation…MAYBE then…STATUTORY taxes, you know the tax monies that EVERYONE ELSE has to pay can be reduced/ flattened. Many of these “Obama generation” protestors are as pissed off at him as there are at the RINO’s.

      • Old Henry

        Glenn:

        As I stated in a post, they are protesting in the WRONG place(s).

        They should be protesting outside 1600 and surrounding Capital Hill.

        THAT is where ALL the problems originate(d). These dirt-bag politicians create all the problems and then campaign on how to fix them.

      • eddie47d

        There have been hundreds of protests in Washington over the years and little changes. Now it’s time to take on Wall Street. You can’t slay the dragon when it has two heads and they are equally to blame.

      • Bob

        Labor unions are the greedy pigs. Son, you need to get a real education, not some Marxist propaganda fed into your spoon fed mouth.

      • texastwin827

        Actually, Bob I grew up in a union family and am old enough to remember the unions of those years compared to the unions of today. You are sadly mistaken if you think they are the same.

        Today’s unions are no different than our two political parties…they are bought & paid for and greed by their “executives” for both power & money are no different than Wall St or big Corporation’s. They stay in power by forcing the employer’s to accept paying for benefits that are bankrupting the govt & companies that use union labor. The union members believe they benefit from the unions, so they keep those same “executives” in power (just as the American voter keeps voting in the same corrupt politicians, into office).

        The Union Leaders NOR either of the two political parties, really care about what is happening to the American public…if you think so, then let me find a bridge to sell you, that is in a desert.

      • Dntmkmecmoverther

        Well, dopus maximus, how many employees are employed by poor people? Answer: NONE.
        Greedy pigs my rear end! You paint with a brush so wide it’s unbelievable. You don’t understand capitalism and hard work; as the two go hand in hand. It’s not ‘greedy’ to expect to make a profit in order to pay for those employees either; in fact it’s the reason there are ‘any’ employees! What part of economics don’t you understand?

      • skip

        The part I don’t understand is how Goldman Sachs secretaries pay more taxes than their CEO bosses? Explain please. I don’t mInd Gates or Jobs or Bloomberg, but I do mind the WALL STREET THIEVES.

      • Old Henry

        Skippy, who writes the tax code?

      • Brian

        Ralph, the problem isn’t Wall Street. The problem is the politicians you keep re-electing to Congress that make fascism legal.

      • DaveH

        What is decent, Ralph, about forcing your way on other people?

    • marcel duranleau

      America wake up from Alice Wonderland freaks,bastards,evils. They want this kind of Gov’t
      let them move to North Korea. Let me tell them those bastards,traitors they are better straight
      themselves before we are not afraid of those commies and we will fight those commies with so much
      force with the Help of Our True God. They will never have a chance. Go ahead commies try to impose on us.
      Be not afraid of those faces. Fear God only.

      • Karolyn

        Thanks for the laugh! :-)

      • TheRealBob

        This occupy wall street crowd is spending much of their time fornicating and drugging. Sounds like your kind of people karolyn. You scumocrats can be real proud of this bunch.

      • Vagabond

        just like the sorry son of a bitche’s protesting the vietnam war running around spitting on servicemen. thank God none of them spit on me because I wouldn’ be here today and neither would they,

      • eddie47d

        That is mostly a myth about protesters spitting on returning soldiers. Making this issue about sex drugs and rock and roll is also cheap and pathetic. I see some of you are starting the lies early so they will become reality. You know demonize the situation so the facts never get out. The housing collaspe,the misuse of Corporate money,corrupted politicians,Hedge Fund managers betting against America and still paying only 15% in taxes,keeping unemployment high,CEO golden parachutes and bonuses. Sure,play the game of smoke and mirrors while the real issues get shoved back in the corner and out of sight. There is not a one of you who cares about these urgent problems because you bring up some strange things like condoms and other non-existence issues which have nothing to do with what is going on.

      • texastwin827

        Eddie47…a myth?

        While he is deceased now, I would have dared you to say that to my husband…A Vietnam combat vet (door gunner on a gunship) who came home, through CA, and WAS spat at. Fortunately, for the “spitter” he didn’t hit him, because most likely he would have deeply regretted hitting his “target”, if he had.

      • Karolyn

        Jealous, Bob? You just can’t wait to use your favorite derogatory language can you? Boy, I am so glad I’m not a miserable old man like you! Is it even possible for you to carry on a civilized conversation with someone who disagrees with you?

      • eddie47d

        Yes Texas we have all heard those stories because they have been hyped up. I have also talked to veterans and when asked why they keep saying that they say because “that is what I heard”. It’s one of those urban legends that should been dumped in the trash long ago.

      • skip

        Bob – you are really out of touch with reality – for your own sake and those around you, please check into a mental health clinic and get this stuff sorted out. The sort of drivel that emanates from your mouth and brain is not God talking to you, believe me – please get some help somewhere. You must have the money to pay for your health care, the way you present yourself, so use some if to get some help.

      • independant thinker

        eddie, eddie, eddie, I clearly remember the news programs of that time showing returning solders being cursed and spit at by the crowds. I also talked to veterans who told of those actions not second hand or third hand but from their personal experience.

      • jyrine

        This is for eddie47d. You stepped in this time. You say it’s a myth about Vietnam vets being spat on by protestors. I knew there was a reason why I hate you so much eddie47d. I am one of your “myths”. When I got home to Longmont Colorado in 1970, myself and two other Marines that joined with me were invited to a party at the university in Boulder. Our high-n-tight hair cuts gave us away and when we entered the dorm room on the CU campus we were SPIT ON and CALLED BABY KILLERS. Myth eddie47d? That statement shows you to be not only ignorant, but callouse. May you rot in h@)).

    • Bryan

      You totally misrepresent this movement as you would rather have this country owned by Wall Street than by the people. That’s not “personal liberty,” that’s liberty for Wall Street to do whatever they want to this country and it people.

      Calling a set of legal documents a person is the ultimate redefinition of personhood. You wonder why there is no respect for life in America. You can call Google a person and a human being a
      “fetus” or a “blob of tissue.”

      • http://MSN.com Mike T

        Leftist radicals, such as Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky, have endorsed the anti-capitalist movement. Both men have glorified authoritarian communist regimes — Fidel Castro’s Cuba, Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela and the old Soviet Union. Their hatred for America has found expression in the rabble on the streets of New York and Washington. Actress Roseanne Barr even has called for the return of the “guillotine.” She wants bankers to be sent to “re-education camps,” and if they still refuse to hand over their profits, they should be beheaded, she says. This is the language of revolutionary terror and Marxist violence.
        The White House connection is even deeper. The protest’s main players all have ties to the Obama administration. Its primary organizer is former Obama “green-jobs czar” Van Jones. Mr. Jones is a self-avowed communist and follower of Saul Alinsky, the radical community organizer who also was Mr. Obama’s intellectual mentor. Mr. Jones said October is the month of the long-awaited “progressive offensive” — the watershed moment when students, labor unions, socialists and civil rights activists coalesce into an anti-Tea Party to blunt Middle America’s growing opposition to Mr. Obama.

      • DaveH

        We could cure those problems, Bryan, by first ending the charade that Corporations pay taxes, and then getting the Government out of the business of picking and choosing the winners and losers (Crony Capitalism).
        Corporations don’t pay taxes, people do. When faced with taxes, the owners of the businesses have few choices. They can raise their product prices (if they can), they can lower their workers’ pay (again, if they can), they can encourage their workers to produce more, they can move to a more hospitable environment overseas, or they can watch themselves lose money on their investment and give up the business. The Politicians are happy. The rest of us suffer. The corporate tax is just a sham way for Big Government to collect more from we the people.
        When consumers pick the winners or losers by dint of our purchases, we get the most out of our system. When Politicians pick the winners and the losers, the consumers lose (higher product prices), the taxpayers lose (subsidies, tariffs, etc.), and the workers lose (fewer jobs, lower pay, etc.).
        The Politicians are the problem. And they will continue to be until the ignorant masses educate themselves to reality instead of being led around by the nose by the propagandists.

      • DaveH

        For anybody who really cares enough to start learning about Free Markets and Capitalism (not Crony Capitalism):
        http://mises.org/store/How-Capitalism-Saved-America-P260.aspx

    • Vagabond

      better yet S C line them up at a wall and get them out of our world. thats just what SCUMBAGS like them deserve,

      • Bryan

        WTF, are you saying they should be shot? Murdering American citizens because of their political views that this country should not be for sale to Wall Street?

      • libertytrain

        Roseanna Barr is suggesting people be beheaded – is that ok?

      • Dntmkmecmoverther

        …as long as she goes first. Then we will see how we want to proceed.

      • Karolyn

        ANYBODY who supports killing or maiming fellow Americans because of a difference in ideologies is an enemy of this country.

      • DaveH

        As are those, Karolyn, who advocate taking other peoples’ legally earned money and other property. And those who advocate forcing their choices on other people.

      • Old Henry

        Bryan:

        That precedent was recently established by Little Harrison J. Bonnell…

      • Isaac Davis

        Bingo!

      • Linda

        Bryon, isn’t that just what the commie-in-chief Obananna just did with the drones? But I agree with vagabond,the 60′s hippies were just chicken-sh–s afraid to do or die for their country! I spent my year over there like so many other REAL Americans.

      • bob wire

        No they were not chickensh–s, they were young people felling to find good sense in all the killing while envoys at the Paris Peace talks argued for months about the shape of the table.

      • Tinman

        bryan, these are Un-Americans so executing them is okay.

      • Karolyn

        Wow! You’re a REAL AMERICAN!

      • Brian

        Unlike the protesters who want to destroy America. Their stated demands prove this.

      • Karolyn

        Have you heard them MAKE any demands Brian? If so, please enlighten us.

      • Vicki

        That is one of the amusing problems of this “protest” They don’t seem to know why they are.

    • Old Henry

      s c:

      Speaking of social justice.

      I came up with a good tee shirt over the week end while on a walk.

      The caption would read SICAUAK HYSTUCE,
      There would be a picture of a gallows with Little Barry standing on it with a noose around his neck and a dark spot in his crotch as he waits for the trap door to spring.

      Now, that’s social justice!

      • eddie47d

        You Vagabonds have just proven that Conservatism is a sickness of immense proportions.Bryan hit the nail on the head especially since you have all cast the first stones.

      • Dntmkmecmoverther

        You either need medication or you overdid yours. Conservatism is what founded this great nation you moron. Get a history lesson and then post some sensible input.

      • mark

        Actually Slaveholders founded this nation. And their great tradition continues. You can lick the boots of the Wall Street Corporate State as all good conservatives must. But I never will.

      • Glenn Leahey

        “Conservatives” did not found this country…SOME, like John Adams, were more religion-based conservatives, but others like Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were basically “free thinking liberals’ who were part of the European based “Enlightenment”…you know…the one that conservative reactionaries in this country have railed against for 30-40 years….the SECULAR HUMANISTS! It was BECAUSE of these “liberals” that there is (at least part of the Constitution…on paper…things like “separation of church from state”…and the “separation of powers”. I hope that the TEA PARTY starts taking some whacks at the 1400 lb. tax code this coming term…only then can STATUTORY taxes be reduces and TAXES FOR EVERYONE can be “flattened”. Screw the K street lobbyists///let’s end CRONY CAPITALISM! As long as they obey local laws, I support the Occupy Wall Street protestors around the country.

      • Vicki

        mark says:
        mark says:
        “Actually Slaveholders founded this nation. And their great tradition continues.”

        In that time, owning slaves was much like owning cars today, such a claim to try to embarrass the founders is rather silly.

        You are correct about the tradition continuing however. The State enslaves millions with income taxes and tries to blame Wall Street for our troubles. As Reagan said. Government is the problem.

      • Old Henry

        Dntmkmecmoverther:

        I like your monider. It puts me in mind of Bill Cosby and makes me smile when I read it.

      • Old Henry

        Glenn:

        According to Janet Nazitano they wold all be terrorists and Little Barry would drone them.

      • eddie47d

        Cute Vickie Cars =Slaves? LOL A slave in every garage? I think you need to look a little deeper next time.

      • DaveH

        What Vicky said, Eddie, makes much more sense than your usual dribble.
        Slaveholders in our early history rationalized their enslavements just like Liberals today rationalize taking other peoples’ money and basically making slaves of them. Neither group was/is doing the right thing.

      • eddie47d

        Yes Mass-er Dave!

      • DaveH

        If I was your master, Eddie, I’d whip you every day.

      • Karolyn

        Ooh! Dave’s getting kinky!

      • Buster the Anatolian

        Pay no attention to eddie he is so dense he could not recognize an analogy if it bit him on the butt. If fact someone (Opal the Gem I believe) described eddie perfectly yesterday.

        “Pay no attention to eddie, he’s drunk all the time. drunk on liberal wine, bunches of it, and it’s ruined his mind.”

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Cute Vickie Cars =Slaves?”

        Cars ~= slaves. I would have preferred to use cows ~= slaves or donkeys ~= slaves or even horses ~= slaves but so many liberals have no idea what those are that I thought I would stick to a fimiliar technology that has replaced them instead.

        I even thought of the Cotton Gin but I suspect liberals have no clue how that little bit of tech made cotton picking slaves redundant.

        I wonder what tech we can replace liberals with. Oh mainstream sitcoms on our IPhone/IPad.

    • ML

      I love the idea of dropping them by parachute into North Korea.

      Previously, my favorite was shipping them to one of the uninhabited Aleutian Islands along with all the death row inmates in the country. I would have told them that the last one standing could return home (to face trial for capital murder), and left them with only one knife between them.

      Either approach should produce favorable results.

      • DaveH

        It would have to be during the day so they could see where they’re going. North Korea at night (thanks to the kind of thinking that our Liberals try to push here):
        http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/dprk-dark.htm

      • mark

        A moving call for mass incarceration without trial. And so typical of this fascist site which would have cheered on the Japanese-American internment of WWII. All protest against the Monster Corporate State must be crushed. All must kneel and lick the boot of Wall Street. If you don’t, you’re not an American.

      • Song

        WRONG as usual mark. You are so blinded by your biased hatred that you have a hard time…I understand.

      • Karolyn

        Song – mark is biased by his hatred? Take a look a many of your fellow conservatives’ postings. You are only seeing what you want to see.

      • DaveH

        Karolyn,
        There are few “conservatives” on this site. A true Conservative advocates Freedom and Limited Government. Few of the people posting here fit that bill.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Get back to the park Mark . . . your friends are missin you!!

      • mark

        But they’re not bootlickers like you. They are not on their kneees like you licking Wall Street’s boot and the boots of the New York City Police.

      • DaveH

        I rarely see you post any kind of constructive comment, Mark. So, here’s your chance. What would you like to see this country do?

    • Isaac Davis

      For all the nay-sayers that think the TEA side of the argument is something radical and obtuse compared to the occupying campers with no focused attention except that the banks are the criminals–completely forgetting (conveniently?) that the banks are only allowed to operate under the rules that congress set forth for lending/investing. There is a video on the web of a guy named Mark Dice who wades into a crowd of occupiers and starts asking pointed questions about why people think that they are entitled to “free” money and benevolence from a gov’t who is the pinnacle of irresponsible and out of control. He is eventually asked to leave by the police, and he was threatened by members of the occupying crowd for simply voicing his views! The occupiers are happy as long as you agree with their close-minded perception that the problem is that they are getting free educations, their debt cleared, and that the banks are the root of the evil. The occupiers truly have no concept of reality and completely exonerate the gov’t for having any involvement in their supposed plight.

      Every problem we face as a Republic today is directly linked to some gov’t moron(s) causing the problem that they later turn around and attempt to convince the lemmings that they will fix by voting for them or allowing them to take more of the lemmings money to resolve the very issue that they created! Few, if any, problems ever created by gov’t/politicians have ever been fixed or resolved, but continue to fester for decades, requiring ever greater taxes to fix–yet, the scheme is to never fix it!

      I watched a video of some idiot yesterday saying that America was a “secular democracy”! When idiots like this believe this kind of dog-squeeze, you have the proof that the lessons of our American History and Heritage have been lost on at least one entire generation. That generation will, someday, be the generation who is gov’t.

      Few societies have ever existed beyond 200 years. Tick Tock.

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