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Shanghaied By Gore And The Greens

October 5, 2011 by  

Shanghaied By Gore And The Greens

Editor’s note: This is part 2 in a two-part series on the dangers of going green.

In 1992, Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping said: “The Middle East has oil. China has rare earths.”

American liberals are determined to sell out America — even it means a deal with the devil: China, a nation whose ambitions include world domination within the next 20 years.

The only thing standing in Beijing’s way is the United States, a quickly fading superpower that owes more than $1.4 trillion in Treasury debt.

America’s total servitude may soon stretch beyond money. If the Greens get their way, America will need China just to power itself up each day. That is because China has a near monopoly of rare earth elements, the essential ingredients that power renewable energy — something President Barack Obama and the Democrats in Congress insist on.

Last week, OilPrice.com told the dirty truth about clean energy: “It’s official — China’s de facto monopoly on current rare earths production is a threat to the global economy.”

Rare earth elements were the substance discussed at length during the Sept. 21 meetings by the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific.

New American Security analyst Christine Parthemore laid out what was said at the national security meeting: “Reliable access to critical minerals is a matter of both economic and geostrategic importance to the United States. … Today, no minerals are more troubling to U.S. security and foreign policy than rare earth elements. … Supplies are concentrated mostly in the hands of one supplier [China] with its own rising demand, and the United States today has no good options for recycling rare earth minerals or substituting more easily obtained minerals.”

What are rare earth elements? Noted energy analyst and writer Robert Bryce points out that lanthanides power most green technologies. Within them is a subset that is the cornerstone to clean energy: neodymium and praseodymium.

According to Bryce, these two materials, along with the other elements found in the lanthanides’ row of the periodic table, are essential commodities in nearly all of the technologies that are seen as solutions to our energy challenges, from wind turbines and hybrid cars to solar panels, computers and batteries.

Why are they so important? Lanthanides, which are also called “rare earths,” have special features at the quantum mechanics level. The configuration of their electrons allows them to have unique magnetic interactions with other elements. In other words, they have the elements to power the green industry.

There’s just one catch: The characteristics make lanthanides a key choke point in the development of the green economy.

Made In China

This has been one of the biggest lies that Al Gore, Barack Obama and other Greens have told the nation. According to these liars, if we simply use more hybrid cars, wind turbines, solar panels and other such inventions, we will no longer have to go begging sheiks and mullahs for Middle East oil.

Rather, we will have to beg somebody else: America’s rival for superpower status. You see, China controls almost all of the world’s lithium, the essential element in all high-capacity batteries.

Bryce writes: “In its headlong rush to go ‘green,’ the United States may simply be trading reliance on one type of import for reliance on another. Instead of requiring oil supplied by dozens of producers located in the Persian Gulf and elsewhere, it will need rare earth commodities produced by the Chinese as well as lithium mined by a handful of foreign countries.”

It was reported just last month that China now produces nearly 95 percent of the world’s rare earth materials. In today’s “Go Green” society, this gives the Chinese a future monopoly over America’s future energy dependence that the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries only could have dreamed about.

People like Gore are either willfully ignorant of this truth about China’s monopoly over Green components or they gleefully ignore it, so they can collect their own green.

In 2007, Gore won his Nobel Peace Prize and declared that the United States should commit to producing 100 percent of our electricity from renewable energy and truly clean carbon-free sources within 10 years. In a November 2008 opinion piece in The New York Times, Gore said the nation must replace “dangerous and expensive carbon-based fuels with 21st-century technologies that use fuel that is free forever: the sun, the wind and the natural heat of the earth.”

Earlier that year, Gore and the Alliance for Climate Protection launched a $300 million media campaign designed to stop global climate change. Their goals were backed by a number of Web sites, including Wecansolveit.org, Climateprotect.org and RepowerAmerica.org.

In less than a year, more than 2 million people had joined and had agreed to the statement, “I want to Repower America with 100 percent clean electricity within 10 years.”

Gore’s grassroots partners include the National Audubon Society, the Evangelical Environmental Network and many other groups. All Gore’s partners seem either very stupid or shortsighted.

It is true that most Americans have no idea why rare earth elements are important or why the Chinese monopoly on them is so dangerous.

The American Dream reported last month that China is enforcing strict new quotas on the export of all these essential metals. Why is that a problem? According to one Web site: “(It is because) these metals are essential in an increasing number of high technology products.”

We are just into our second decade of the 21st century, and China owns the minerals that make critical products, including:

  • Hybrid car batteries,
  • Supercomputers.
  • Flat-screen televisions.
  • Cellphones.
  • iPods.
  • Radar systems.
  • Missile-guidance systems.
  • Satellites.
  • Aircraft electronics.
  • Smart bombs.

We may not be able to alter the world’s geology. We may have to make deals with Beijing to import these goods that are essential to America’s future. But we don’t have to turn our back on the proven power of petroleum only to further enable our Communist competitors in China.

On the eve of 2012, America can count on two things:

  1. Petroleum remains the best source of energy in the world.
  2. Washington must not be allowed to mortgage America’s future on unproven clean energy, the key components of which belong to China.

The only other alternative is Green energy, a future in which America’s biggest enemy — communist China — dictates our future and our eventual servitude.

Joseph Stalin said: “When we hang the capitalists, they will sell us the rope.” It is an ideology that persists in China today.

Yours in good times and bad,

John Myers
Editor, Myers Energy & Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • slayerwulfe

    The basis of your article concerning rare earths is intelligent but not the personal points of view. Please try to understand how powerful Solar is that it’s the only source capable of powering this planet Sol vs petrol is the proverbial no contest. The view that China is more evil than Opec,Why!? Do you feel that China may start operating as a cartel or maybe it’s payback time for us, as no longer dominating and starting wars to take even more. It is scary to think someone else may become us and we will become them.

    • eddie47d

      That was Classic Slayerwulfe.

  • mrbill

    I write a blog for my local paper (http://blog.myplainview.com/billroth) I covered the “green” last Sat. and titled it Green Goo. Stop by.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    We have been sold out and are being used up.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Coal should be a bargaining chip for us but we have no one wise enough to use it. We have stripped our land of the minerals needed for good health and yet if we were smart enough we could harvest what we need from the sea. We have many in authority that have sold their soul for a mess of pottage and every federal agency must be put out to pasture or cleansed..

    • ADP

      You need to start with the DOE, a shovel ready shovel shoveler for crooks & swindlers in our Government.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    Gore and his crooks are the ones holding back job creation.

    • eddie47d

      I think it’s the Wall Street banksters and their corporate cronies that are holding back jobs in America.

  • spxz

    Australia will probably become the major supplier of Rare earth elements in the near future. Mines and refining have to be expanded, however, there is reason to believe they have incredible reserves (especially in the little developed interior).
    http://www.australianminesatlas.gov.au/aimr/index.jsp
    Would someone please hand Al Gore a cup of “Shut the F___ up” and send him off to play with his little boy and girlfriends, while leaving a Carbon Footprint larger than the state of Rhode Island.

  • Baba

    Gore and Unions kind of go hand in hand, don’t they? China has been using all of their U.S. Dollars to buy up Assets. They aren’t dumb. They know what is about to happen.

    • eddie47d

      Tell us which union wants jobs to go to China Baba? Do tell us when all this transfer of wealth and jobs went to China. Under who’s administration and who’s policies?

      • Dan az

        Eddie
        I see that your still pushing the two sided coin on everyone.You ask who’s policy’s lets start with bush pushed it then clinton signed it and the boy wonder is adding to it to finish us off.We know bush was a NWO plant along with his daddy and you blame them because you think that the left is doing a good job by allowing every thing that was put into place by this cabal and its not your fault that its still going on because why????Give it a rest and help stop this crap by showing everyone that its not a right left thing and take the first step in the right direction and start pushing the truth about RP.You know it as well as anyone here that this is about to come crashing down on us if we don’t do the right thing.Are you man enough to admit that there really is only one way to fix this problem or are you just going to sit there and complain about how bush or who ever did this and the unions really are good people and are only in it for the people.Come on eddie lets see what your made of.

      • JeffH

        Brother Dan, don’t confuse the man any further than he already is…”two sided coin”…confusion say… :)

      • ‘Dan az

        Brother Jeff
        I can’t help my self,Times running out and they all still want to play games.I don’t know with the mess that things are in now I wonder if we couldn’t just start over from scratch and hang them all.Then at least we can start fresh.

      • ‘Dan az

        Hey i heard that either north or south carolina found a train full of guillotines and they just past a law for the death penalty to include them.Why not round them up in DC and have a party. :)

      • JeffH

        eddie, what conclusion did I jump to? That you are confused enough without confusing you any further? That’s not jumping to conclusion…that’s called a conclusive fact!

      • Al Sieber

        Dan, time is run out, I with you on those issues.

      • eddie47d

        Did you pop your insanity pills today Jeff or will you be going cold turkey today in trying to rid yourself of all that venom?

      • eddie47d

        I didn’t say anything about Bush in my comment yet Dan and Jeff jumped to there famous conclusions. I was referring to Nixon and the continued policies since then.

      • ‘Dan az

        Eddie
        I was referring to all your post here not just that one.And I did expect a reply on what I said.So I take it you have to think about it or you just don’t have a set.I’m not just picking on you but all of the libs here.All of you need to get your heads on straight before the election or you will become the first to go.

        Hey Al
        couldn’t agree more.

      • ‘Dan az

        Look were all human and make mistakes but it takes an honest person to realize that.We all have read and heard that the only person that is for the protection of this once great country that all looked up to is Ron Paul.Admit it.You know what has to be done and arguing back and forth of which Rhino is going to take it over the edge is not going to change a thing.With whats going on in the world today I don’t think anyone is good enough but the closest thing that we have in front of us is only one person that believes that we have lost our way and is willing to help change it so our grandchildren will have a life that befits them.Greedy politicians can only do one thing and that’s steal everything that we have accomplished in this life span.Are we really going to let them do it.Let the man do whats right for all of us not for the blood suckers that will leave after they have gotten everything that they wanted.What I call a wasted vote is anyone that just votes D or R rather than the man him self.Think about it and quit being stuck in a rut.We wont survive this time around.

      • eddie47d

        I think I have spoken up plenty on this topic. Too much of it is spent battling name calling from Dave H.and a a couple of others. Yes there is a serious problem out there created by Liberals and Conservatives alike. Sometimes I find it hard to defend either side and just stick to my own opinion. I do not condone the other topic that gave Hank Williams Jr a green light to compare Obama to Hitler yet the hollowing mob was there doing just that. There are extremes on the left but I can’t and won’t show favor to Conservatives who are filled with evil thoughts.I also don’t think some Conservatives have a positive vision on “saving” America especially on energy resources. Good night and see you tomorrow.

  • ADP

    Thor chum you are so wrong, it is not even worth a responce to your pea brained statement.
    But I will and be glad to expose your lack of knowledge about solar.
    Happy to be of help.

    • eddie47d

      Great catch Alex. Not sure when they will snap out of their stupor and realize China owns them but then they sit back and allow hundreds of companies to flee to China. They complain about China but turn around and help our companies establish themselves in foreign countries. What a hoot! Our solar industry was top notch but they allowed China to move in under their noses which brought the US solar industry down. I think that is called malaise.

      • speedle

        I’m curious Eddie. Based upon your posts, you seem to be a kind of flat earth nineteenth century eco isolationist. Does that pretty well sum up your position (along with an acute paranoia of anyone who is wealthy).

      • eddie47d

        Depending on coal and oil as the only resources we can use would put you in the 19th century without any hope of moving forward. Yes I do have an acute paranoia of the wealthy who steal,manipulate for profits,destroy economies and cause the American worker to lose jobs. I do love a healthy environment and want companies to be good stewards of our country. Maybe when they can show respect the wealthy will get respect. American citizens shouldn’t just sit back and be their pawns when they screw up.

      • Dale on the left coast

        eddie . . . what do you suggest we replace coal and oil with TOMORROW???
        Name me one country with over 300 million enhabitants that is CLEANER than the USA???
        And . . . what makes you think Fat Al . . . who was Less Educated than Bush . . . would have an answer for anything . . . except maybe what to have for lunch!!!

      • speedle

        Eddie says, (referring to the wealthy) “When they screw up”

        Tell me Eddie, other than the Wall Street/Democrat administration Crony Capitalism complex, what “wealthy” people have “screwed up” so that they should be deserving of your envy (or wrath or whatever)? Do they screw up when they start businesses, hire people and add to the economy? Or perhaps you think they screw up when after they have taken the risks, worked hard and reward themselves by buying a lot of expensive “things” (which also create even more jobs). So tell me Eddie, do you really want to punish and slander everyone who makes a certain level of income because of what the Crony Capitalists have foisted on us?

      • eddie47d

        I have never said that coal and oil is going to be replaced tomorrow. You must not be paying attention to what I said today and what I have said over the months. I have always emphasised that coal and oil will be with us for a very long time yet it would be for the betterment of the country if we start changing over to alternatives.

      • eddie47d

        Who are these wonderful corporations Speedle ( I know they are out there) but the bad ones seem to be winning and we are losing.

    • Dan az

      ADP
      Yes he did make a mistake in that if every inch of this nation was covered in panels that it would supply enough energy.It would not even cover half the energy.But I would like to ask you and others if you live what you believe in.The fact is I do and know exactly what it takes to create energy and also know what its limitations are,Do You?
      You spew this BS from the left utopian dream world but don’t live it do you.Why Not?The truth is you don’t believe what your saying anymore than Gore does.He is just in it for the money.He is a blood sucking parasite and your know better by believing the lies and calling them truth.You are a waste of skin.

      • ADP

        Ole Dan in AZ get the sand out of your big dirty ears bozo.
        I have a 6.9 solar system and I put my money up cash by the way.
        Stupid twit.

      • Dale on the left coast

        EDP . . . soooo, would your “System” run a Ford Plant? Not friggin likely . . . you could not even power my auto repair shop . . . especially during the night or on a rainey day.
        Al is a moron . . . a very rich moron!!!

      • eddie47d

        Dale had a mean sandwich for lunch and he’s making sure we all know it. Even when someone is doing something right you got to knock it.

      • djdrew103

        The fact is, the FACT IS! THE FACT IS!!!

        That if we R&D’d more alternative sources for energy, if we strongly promoted those resources and put them into action, we WOULD USE LESS COAL and other contaminants!!! There are plenty of unused wasted lands, deserts and open areas where these solar grids can be used, where weather is not a factor, and that effort to develop and put alternative power into use is not there, mainly because those demigods I mentioned are empowering you, the foolish people, the moronic influence of an ignorant and uneducated mass energy harnessed in the winds of the voice of the American people, are so willingly swayed to spread their hype. Be proud, be very proud at just how much you’re influencing the futures of your children.

        WE would have less emissions, and we would be doing ourselves allot more of a service instead of a disservice. Following up and supporting Repug hype is merely allowing the demigods to play in their sand box with our futures.

        Sure, there is a lot of hype in Gore’s BS, and it is a pity he has to resort to such overplaying tunes. Yet, who would listen anyways to a tuned down version of the truth of the matter? You out there in dummy land wouldn’t. You’d rather dance around with your cohorts and drink the swill and pretend like you are actually doing something for the common good and growth and wealth of the nation. Most comments I see here are based very little in “broad spectrum” facts. The US is second only to China in these rich deposits, we just don’t produce them due to trade arrangements and the lack of a competitive market.

        Fools claiming we’re just fine for a couple of hundred years on our present petroleum sources and need to drill more and more and more, offer it like that is some form of a positive point, when really it is the challenging point. We have spills now, more and more and more and shucks, we need less and less and less regulation don’t we. Have you ever listened to your verminous chatter?

        Heck, your asses won’t be around in a hundred years, so what and who gives an F right? You don’t give a sheet about great-grandchildren and what we leave them for a land to inherit, like you have any right? Who needs to worry about those worthless rug rats anyways, let them fend for themselves when they grow older!

        You ought to have “shamed” branded across your foreheads for one an all to see when they entomb you for descendants to be able to pass by and point and say, “It was people like that….”

        They say we are not wise enough to rule ourselves with less government and people are the living proof of that. You criticize and spread your opinions of discontent like a virus and foolishly feel that its some form of self-politicizing power to be proud of.

        By not realizing and supporting the simple facts of the nature of these problems, by criticizing all the time and spreading your own version of verbal diarrhea, you merely fuel the fires of those who are more interested in their own personal political engines than they are about how much the poor dogs are gonna howl in the cold of winter nights.

        They damn sure aren’t worried about energy 200 years from now, they aren’t even worried about it now, even if gas was $18 a gallon as in other places in the world. Its you the people that fuel their tanks anyways.

        So listen close to their rhetoric, listen real close, learn how to recite. Strengthen yourselves, especially the skinned leathery area about your shoulders, so the puppet strings don’t pull out prematurely.

  • Alex

    So what if, and I do not know that this is true, China has a near monopoly a rare earth? If Mali had a monopoly on, say, vitamin C, I guess they would be very wealthy, right?
    This stupid country has ignored green energy for decades and so we are behind the Chinese. Oh well. Capitalism.
    We cannot cry that we allowed China to take the lead on this—like on so many other issues (slavery, environmentalism, health care, etc) we allowed the love of money to override the good of all.
    Reich Wingers exhibit their naivete by questioning the profit motive behind Al Gore in particular and the environmental movement in general yet never question the profit motive for the Koch brothers, James Inhofe, or the energy industry. Silly Fright Wing sheeple. Baaa baaa baa

  • home boy

    to bad people will do nothing until they have nothing left. buy the way these people do work for the devil ,you just have not come to that realization yet because you have no faith that satan exists.

  • MrB

    NOTE TO JOHN MYERS,
    Next time DO SOME RESEARCH before saying “the sky is falling”.

    • Dale on the left coast

      I didn’t read anywhere that the sky is falling . . . .
      BUT . . . I do know that the Chinese have been cornering the “Rare Earth” Minerals for well over a DECADE NOW. Of course you and Obambie will be always the last to know.
      China has bought up resource companies and minieral rights from Canada to Africa . . . while the White House has just been buying Foor Stamps for the masses.

      • eddie47d

        That means you were well aware of it during the Bush years yet he got reelected. Yet you slam only Obama when it takes Congress or private companies to go after those rare metals. The Republicans haven’t allowed Obama to do anything on almost every issue.Not only do we waste our energy on wars around the world we have to deal with constant political wars right here. Hardly a good combination in getting things done.

      • Dale on the left coast

        eddie . . . the govt doesn’t open mines . . . private industry does. But . . . when you have the enviro-whacks/czars and the marxist/illegal/clueless pres in the WH attempting to stamp out “Free Enterprise” everywhere in the country, you get the exact results we are seeing every day now.
        I know its a Shock to you . . . but govts don’t create jobs . . . they can only create an environment where the industrious can prosper. This present regeme attempts to Regulate, Tax, Re-regulate everything that moves . . . I hear QE3 is on the drawing board . . . another disaster about to take place.
        Didn’t Bush have less than 5% unemployment for 7 years???

      • eddie47d

        Dale is continuing these squabbles about government vs private investments when private companies aren’t doing a thing but causing us to lose more revenue while making buckets of money. Nothing changes except the level of thunder.

  • Adam

    Actually the USA — used to have rear earth-metal mines and production. It was closed not to long time ego, since the Chinese import WAS CHEAPER – a “good business decisions”[=short sited greed] pays off –as you could see…

  • Thor

    The duplicity of politics (just a nice way of saying ‘the stupidity of politics’)never ceases to amaze in its ability to produce fools. Simple mathematics and some knowledge of atmospheric demands (along with some common rational ability) prove the point:

    Present technology in solar energy (as one example of alternative power)is based on the ‘photovoltaic’ cell. The best photovoltaic cell available today, if it were large enough to cover every square inch of the US land mass, would produce enough electricity to meet the demands of the US…in 1975.

    Meantime, it would cast a permanent shadow large enough to cool a portion of the earth’s surface capable of changing the entire atmospheric dynamic of the planet by lowering the ambient temperature of the atmosphere.

    Speculation has it that a drop in temperature of only a few degrees could being the polar ice cap as far south as Washington, D. C.

    Maybe it’s not such a bad idea after all.

    • ADP

      You are one dumb cluck

      • Dale on the left coast

        ADP – He makes a lot more sense than Fat Al and the Enviro-loons.

  • MrB

    This is all BS… The highest annual production of Lithium is Chile with 7400 tons. Chile has had the largest deposit of Lithium until larger deposits of Lithium were discovered in Argentina and Bolivia. Australia is also a major supplier. So much for China’s strangle hold on the world……..

    • eddie47d

      The author didn’t lie about China having the most rare earths but did fail to mention that other countries also have them. I’m sure that was deliberate since he is an oil man defending his turf.He also has been against alternatives to get us off of foreign oil because that is not where he and his buddies make their living. It’s easier to attack his nemesis Al Gore so the profits keep flowing his way.

      • Dale on the left coast

        eddie . . . logic would dictate that if China controlled only MOST of the REM’s . . . that which is not included are ELSEWHERE . . . are you still with me???
        Foreign oil . . . The USA has enough oil on its coasts in on the continent to keep us going for over 100 years, enough Natural Gas for over 200 years and enough Coal forever maybe.
        Someday an alternative to these valuable resources will be discovered . . . it will not be Solar Panels or Windmills.

      • eddie47d

        I know how much energy we have but as the population grows those sources could dry up in a few generations from now. Maybe we have too many people entrenched in the oil business via the stock market and they don’t want to take a chance on changing.They don’t want their stocks going down so they attack alternatives.We could have prepared for the future 50 years ago but apparently you chose not to so we just continue this insane argument.

      • OB1

        The population of US citizens is actually shrinking as it is in Russia. The immigrants and illegals are actually increasing live births from both reproduction statistics as well as immigration.

      • Palin12

        ed-duh!
        Blah blah blah….global warming….blah blah blah….Al Bore says blah blah blah….yadda yadda yadda!

      • eddie47d

        Palin2 conquered another comment with her genius and an attempt at thought process.

      • Palin16

        edduh are you stalking me? It seems like you spend all day here!

      • djdrew103

        Enough oil for 100 or 200 years, along with natural gas adnunlimted coal…well, that’s good …we’re safe now. We got Nuclear energy for when that runs out, I am sure we will be flying aorund in Jetson cars powered by nuclear motors, but shucks, we’ll have to go back to using coal fired steam engines for the rest maybe, natural gas for heating and cooking works now, but there are plenty of places that don’t have natural gas, so they’re shick out of luck. 200 years huh? We’ll be alright by then, but god! Don’t let us start looking for alternative fuels now! Let’s wait till its too late okay, we can’t jump too fast or mercy, we might end up being prepared beforehand!

  • s c

    #^&*+ China. Let Gore marry himself. Then he can divide his activities between groping trees and ^&#$*^& himself. Are we supposed to think that we don’t have enough world-class scientists and REAL leaders to learn how to compensate and find other ways to tell China to ram its collective ego wherever it’s convenient?
    It’s clear that our “leaders” have sold themselves, or America would still be a #1, prime nation. It’s time to clean house, America. We have far too many first-rate minds to surrender to those who hate America.
    First, let us admit that those minds are not in Washington. Now, let us show the world again what we’re made of, and Gore and his braindead lemmings can move to China. Flush the toilets. Start all over again.

    • Jeep

      It’s even worse than that sc. Afghanistan has some of the richest deposits of rare earth metals in the world. Some estimates put these deposits at the top of the list. Immediately after we chased out the Taliban, China was lobbying for mineral rights to mine. GW put them off and said no. Chinese companies have were allowed to begin mining by this administration (protected by us, of course.) So, in effect, we are providing free protection to the Chinese to mine in Afghanistan so they can sell us minerals at a cheap rate.

      • eddie47d

        Hey how else are we going to support these wars. We’ve been hiring mercenaries for several years now and they are indeed picking our pockets.Whether Blackwater or China they know we are easy picking.

  • ADP

    Myers has ignored most facts in this article and down right lied about others.

    CNG is the best way to go, most Solar went to china for cheaper mfg rates.
    No biggie to fire it up again here in the states, unlike other heavy mfg.

  • Palin12

    Does anyone listen to Al Gore, the Bozo from the Ozone, anymore? Nice job Al, flying all over the world in your corporate jet leaving a huge carbon footprint. How’s the new mansion in Malibu? Tired of your 20-bedroom home in Nashville with a monthly electric bill of $2,500…mostly derived from fossil fuels.

    • eddie47d

      As if you really care about who lives in a mansion or who owns a corporate jet.If you’re really concerned you’d go after all of those abusers not just the select few you deem worthy of bashing. Most millionaires are arrogant trolls who thumb their noses at the rest of us so look around they are everywhere.Power corrupts absolutely once you’ve reached that pinnacle in America.

      • Dale on the left coast

        eddie . . . Al Bore is an uneducated loon . . . a British Judge ruled that there was NO SCience in his lame movie and could not be shown to school children. Another Judge ruled that a British Enviro-whack was “Religeous” for his “Belief” in the Unprovable.
        Fat Al made a lot of money . . . cap and trade has funelled Billions into bankers coffers in Europe . . . then they planted a tree in Africa . . . just pickin your pocket eddie!!!

      • eddie47d

        Al Gore is hardly uneducated but I do agree that An Inconvenient Truth should not be shown in schools(as with most movies).There was allot of truth in the movie but also allot of hype.I’ve never been a fan of anybody making allot of money off of anything no matter what business they are in but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be listened to. I think Al Gore is on the right track although not infallible to making errors in judgements. (I don’t like cap and trade and think it can be manipulated by big companies)

      • Palin12

        Some of the footage in “An Inconvenient Truth” was taken from the science fiction film “the Day After Tomorrow”.

      • Ronbo

        Dude, you appear to be a bigger nitwit than Gore. Or do you consider FOX Mews an “education”?

      • Opal the Gem

        eddie the whole point is Al Bore is practicing “do as I say not as I do”. When he starts flying commercial, moves into a very energy effecent house, and starts driving small energy effecient vehicles then he MIGHT be believable. He has reportedly even purchased a beach front home in an area he swears will be flooded by the “rising oceans” in the next few years.

  • FreedomFighter

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/16/business/global/china-consolidates-control-of-rare-earth-industry.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

    China is not the friend to the USA. US Food production will get us metals.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

    Is that what is commonly referred to as “Gotcha?”. Lithium and other rare earths are commonly found in Siberia and in the sea. Difficult to mine though, so more expensive than China’s. So if we don’t have hybrid cars, flat screen tv’s and lithium batteries, will we survive? Betcha we can.

  • judyr

    they have found an area in cali that might produce these minerals for us. lets just hope pelosi is not on an animal saving binge again.

    • Al Sieber

      judyr, one of the worlds largest deposits of rare earths is in Mountain Pass Calif. on I-15 s.w. of Las Vegas, NV. if they didn’t sell out to China.

      • eddie47d

        These newer rare earths may be more precious than gold.It’s also odd that when we recycle the modern products that use rare earths they are sent to China or India to to torn apart. They get us coming and going instead of recycling them ourselves.

      • DaveH

        Pool your ill-gotten gains with other like-minded Liberals and start your own recycling company, Eddie.

        Show us how it’s done instead of giving us your useless lip-service.

      • Ronbo

        Dave H, do you even know what a liberal is? Or are you just repeating FOX Mews without passing the “attack” past your noggin?

  • Steven Grumman

    gore is absolutely correct!

    • AlleninReality

      He should be! He and slick willie sold all our secrets and resources to China a long time ago. Now our aviation industry and military industrial complex depends on China to keep national defense afloat.

      • eddie47d

        Since it was the Republicans who continually pushed for free trade without understanding the consequences you got what you asked for.

      • Rusticus

        I think the Republicans DID understand the consequences of “free trade agreements”. Instead of calling them “free trade agreements,” they should be called “Corporate Criminal Conspiracies.” The Republicans’s goal is to create an aristocracy (actually a plutocracy) of the wealthy.

        I think they are delighted that “free trade agreements” have resulted in the transfer of wealth to the banksters and corporations and away from 98% of the American people.

      • Cawmun Cents

        Of course.Only Republicans want to assume control of everything.-CC.

      • eddie47d

        If the shoe fits wear it whether Republican or Democrat.

      • OB1

        Which president pushed to pass NAFTA? Both the Rep and the Dems supported it. Now, it’s your turn to figure out who the enimy of the US is, fool.

      • Ronbo

        That’s a new accusation. I guess your big brain just invented it.

        Next time look to the Koch Brothers. There is actual proof that they have been making illegal sales.

    • Patriot II

      Why do you say that, do you not watch Fox news, or listen to Truth Radio, where have you been? there is so much evidience (Not on main stream media though) that Gore is a bonifide Whacko. Here is an exercise for you, lean backward and walla!,, Your head Pops up out of the sand!!

  • wandamurline

    Gore is determined to get cap and trade on the books so he and his buddies can open their energy credit store…you see, manufacturers who do not meet their requirements on emissions, could purchase “credits” from Gore…they would not have to change their emissions, just purchase “credits”….when the tea party stopped cap and trade, Gore lost potentially billions of dollars in this scheme….so he is moving to another. Since he has lost his credibility in the US even though the progressive liberal news medias continue to help him, he has continued this insanity in other countries. It is all about money and power for himself and to hell with everyone else.

  • Presp

    There is nothing rare about “rare earths”. The only reason your hated China has a monopoly on them is because they sold them cheaper than anybody else. Most of the worlds production (like in the US) simply shut down because your “investment buyers” only buy the cheapest they can to make the most profit. After all, your “golden God” needs maximum profit at virtually any cost to society.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Good insight, thanks.

    • Tazio2013

      Sapere Aude Presp,

      WOW: An understanding of REEs based on knowledge, reality and objectivity; kudos to you!. Most of the PLD “first responders” appear to be racists, white wing wackos and fundamentalist evangelical christian extremists (acronym?) REEs are, in fact, not so rare but are relatively costly to refine into pure elements; especially costly if the country doing the refining is sensitive to the environment, which China is not, therefore, they can sell at well below fair market value. Within a few years the US could be a net exporter of REEs due to an innovative, environmentally friendly refining technology.

      Semper fi!

    • BigBadJohn
    • M Munday

      well said, but hey look at the bright side-very little of all things listed above are actually “made in the USA”. Its our pushers-oops sorry I meant “suppliers” that are going to have the problem. No wait thats China tooooo…..ah well, lets see, Japan-no they now glow in the dark. Europe? LOL! maybe not. Middle East, Africa, South America. No other help in site. Ever get the feeling you have painted yourself into the corner that has the hornets nest in it? And you say who puts a hornets nest in their house? exactly! apparently we do.

    • Al Sieber

      Good post Presp, you hit the nail on the head.

    • TimAZ

      China has control of most of the rare minerals on earth, because they have been buying the rights to the rare mineral deposits through out the world since Mao-Bama was elected, and began to demonstrate his abilities to financially collapse America’s economy to realize the dreams of his father.

      • eddie47d

        China is also in the Middle East and Africa. Are they starting wars and killing people there? Right now they are negotiating good deals all over the world even with Cuba. That is where they are getting ahead of us and winning these countries over. We keep thinking we can win by clobbering a nation with missles but that only stalls out diplomacy and commerce. Nations at war such as Iraq and Afghanistan seldom produce anything and have to take years to catch up after the war is over. China just waltzes into an African nation builds them a railroad or a dam and has a friend for life. We tried that in the 50′s and did very well with companies like Sears and those countries loved us. Then we had to go into the arms trade(along with Russia) and war is what we left behind but made few friends(trading partners).

      • JC

        “That is where they are getting ahead of us and winning these countries over.”

        Yep! With capitalism…maybe we should give it a try! ;)

      • eddie47d

        With a majority crony capitalism. I highly doubt it.

      • Opal the Gem

        eddie the only thing you know about captitalism is “business bad union good”.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You really think China is sweet and innocent and isnt involved in arming countries, and threatening others with force? They just do it behind the curtains, whereas everything we do is in the press for the whole world to see. If their press printed what our press prints, they would all be put to death. Dont think of them as so innocent. They arent.

    • Ronbo

      So true. It’s the wealthy corporate class who are moving money (and jobs) overseas.

  • Insurgent

    Yes America, please use the solar panels manufactured by the now 535 million dollar defunct “Solandra” that Buckwheat used as one of America’s fine stimulus examples. Al Gore and Buckwheat and Company have one thing in common: They are a phoney JOKE!!!

    Washington, DC is America’s cesspool for liars, whores, and thieves !!!

    • Vagabond

      Insurgent you are 150% correct,

    • Patriot II

      To Insurgent: What interview was it yesterday or the day before when Obama sluffed it off, by claiming it was just an honest mistake and business as usual.

    • theotherrhalf

      Your an ass

      • Handyman

        commit all your money to al gore and obozo and the earth will not be warming!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Its not warming anymore remember? Its climate change now. And by the way, when it was cooler in the spring and its cooler now, where is Al Gore and the climate change/global warming cries? Hmmm. Oh yeah, thats right, they all got caught lying about their information they conjured up.

    • Ronbo

      That 535 is what percent of the Bush bank bailout? Which bank has been investigated? Now you want to attack because a drop in the bucket? Priorities guys. Lets go after the theives who are taking the bulk – not the crumbs.

      • JC

        It’s a matter of principle…either it’s wrong or it isn’t…go after them all!

  • DaveH

    John says “People like Gore are either willfully ignorant of this truth about China’s monopoly over Green components or they gleefully ignore it, so they can collect their own green”.
    Could it be that Gore and his cohorts envy the absolute power of the Chinese Leaders? Could it be that their goals are more sinister than just collecting more green?

    • Patriot II

      DaveH

      Yes, of course, anyone with the slightest intelligence you say so.

    • CJ

      Do you think this is why Apple Computer has him (Gore) as the highest compensated exec. on their board?

      • eddie47d

        The Right’s new web site is “wecan’tsolveit.org” or “destroythe climate.org”. Maybe just more to the point for them would be the slogan . “No We Can’t”! This problem has been around for 50 years and you still think that kicking the can down the road in new energy sources and technology is the way to be independent. Every new product has fits and starts and seldom does a product go straight to the market.It took years to perfect the phone and the numerous problems will be had with new energy sources.The same when oil was first used. If we a a problem with rare earth minerals then our brilliant scientists and inventors better get cracking in finding substitutes.Al Gore may be a bloated millionaire but he has always been on the right track in moving this country forward. You’re all obsessed with going back to the future and keeping us dependent on oil and coal. Now don’t get your britches in a bind there will be plenty of oil and coal for you to play with for many years to come. Actually Meyers article was an urgent one and worthy of being aware of. It doesn’t mean we stop looking ahead and feel our future is doomed in the realm of computers,TVs and other technology. All the oil,coal and gas in the world can’t help with the rare earth problem.That always seems to be where these conversations end up.

      • Rusticus

        Well said, Eddie. Concise, accurate and right on point!!

      • Voice Of Reason

        Only a certifiable loon would make the statements contained in your post. The left would remake the US into a Stalinist communist state if they could, and that would be anything but moving us forward, it would move us back to the 1930′s. Zerobama has tried his best to do this through his communist “czars”.

        The Right is right. The Greenies can’t solve anything, they just unwittingly funnel taxpayer money through slapdash, uneconomic “green” companies to Democrat campaigns, and that must be stopped.

      • eddie47d

        Voice of Doom! Rattle away with your typical nonsense of the Right. Plenty of money from the energy companies go into the hands of their favorite candidates so try being a little more honest.

      • JC

        American liberals are determined to sell out America, even it means a deal with the devil: China. If the Greens get their way, America will need China just to power itself up each day. That is because China has a near monopoly of rare earth elements, the essential ingredients that power renewable energy.

        Great! let’s put our future, our lives, and our children’s lives in the hands of people who are potential enemies and who value life…not at all. Certainly not “our” lives.

        Screw the Liberal idiots. We need more responsible stewardship…not commie cowards with wishy washy ideas.

      • eddie47d

        Apparently JC thinks we should abandon technology to spite China.Then he blames it all on Liberals. Are you for real JC? We have things they want and they have things we want. It’s called commerce so use it or lose it.

      • Opal the Gem

        eddie we have NOTHING China wants except items to make a pattern from so they can sell us a cheap immitation of it and the land mass known as USA. That is ALL they want from us.

      • Yapes41

        I’m convinced that anyone who thinks ALGore is on the right path, isn’t.

      • eddie47d

        As you can see above no mention of global warming in my comment yet Dave below went on a tirade about it. So who is to be believed Yapes. Maybe you need to choose a better side or stay neutral.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Al Gore is so irrelavent. He is out there grasping straws looking for his next wind to ride in on. He should have been a salesman.

      • DaveH

        How can anybody, Eddie, be so ignorant and so condescending at the same time? Only the most colossal fools can think mankind can alter the weather. And only the most colossal fools are still running with that Homogenic Global Warming hoax.
        Anybody who wants to wake up to the reality of the thieving leftist political football of “global warming” can watch this free video:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov0WwtPcALE

      • denniso

        Ignorant and condescending at the same time? Could that be you,DaveH??

        It’s the height of ignorance and stupidity for uneducated and ill informed people to blindly question what thousands of scientists all around the world support,that global warming is very real and that man plays a major or total role in it.

      • Iva Raggon

        The Earth is not flat, nor is it the center of the universe. The the tooth fairy is not real, nor is the Easter Bunny. Earth’s climate change IS real. 99% of reputable scientists agree, satellite photos of melting glaciers ad ice caps prove it

        The cause is open to debate, but only the type of person who wanted to burn Galileo at the stake for proving that earth orbited around the sun would not recognize that human activity is at least a factor in climate change.

        Despite your loathing for the messenger, Al Gore, the message has some truth worth considering.

      • Dale on the left coast

        denniso . . . the “Thousand Scientists” . . . was another Fat Al LIE!!!
        The reality is . . . the Globe has warmed about 1 degree in the last 100 years . . . at the present time the Globe is COOLING!!! So Alarmism is nonsense . . . the other reality staring us in the face today . . . is the FACT that there is NOTHING to replace oil, gas and coal TOMORROW . . .

      • eddie47d

        Let’s put it this way Dale there are far more scientists saying there is global warming vs those who say there isn’t. Yes both side have thousands to attest to there point of view. That makes for a healthy change of ideas with so many involved.

      • http://Evangelinestraub@gmail.com Truther

        Wouldn’t it be best if people stop running into their political cubby holes? Wouldn’t it be best if we always consider what is best for our country and stop the name calling! And by the way, scientists and academics can no longer always be trusted , because people have their agenda. How do I know this? I was one of them except that I love this country( though a naturalized citizen ) and will fight to keep the liberties and the prosperity it provides. i am grateful.

        Indeed we want to keep our planet clean, and , let we can find a better and ECONOMICAL way to produce energy. There is always more than one way to reach a goal. To be able to think straight, we have to keep cal m, stop being so angry. as for Al Gore, it is hard to believe a man means well when he stands to make millions! Does that sound reasonable, which ever side you’re on?

      • DaveH

        Did any of you Liberal Ignoramuses bother to watch the movie?

        1000s of scientists, my fanny. Most of the drivers for the Homogenic Global Warming scam are politicians. They are making fools out of those of you who aren’t part of the rip-off.
        Read here for more:
        http://climatedepot.com/

      • DaveH

        As usual, Eddie just fabricates his facts. First of all, we’re not talking about Global Warming, we’re talking about Global Warming caused by Man. The Earth is always heating and cooling. The sun is the driver of that heating and lack of it the driver of the cooling.
        These scientists say you’re full of it, Eddie:
        http://climatedepot.com/a/3606/Team-of-Scientists-Open-Letter-To-US-Senators-Claim-of-consensus-is-fake

      • DaveH

        And here are 31,000 scientists that agree (Eddie is full of it):
        http://www.oism.org/pproject/

      • Iva Raggon

        DaveH-

        You are a sad case of willful ignorance.

        You have the GAUL to call someone else an ignoramus?

        When seeking an ignorant, intractable, intolerant dullard you need go no further than the nearest mirror.

      • DaveH

        Only if you’re standing in front of me.

      • DaveH

        By the way, Iva, you ignoramus, the word is GALL.

      • eddie47d

        Bring on the name calling Dave H it’s what you have been good at. I know about the 31,000 scientists but you left out the thousands more on the other side.

      • Iva Raggon

        DaveH

        (offensive comment removed)

      • JC

        eddie47d says:
        October 5, 2011 at 2:08 pm
        Let’s put it this way Dale there are far more scientists saying there is global warming vs those who say there isn’t. Yes both side have thousands to attest to there point of view. That makes for a healthy change of ideas with so many involved.

        Cite your source. That’s Bull.

      • denniso

        I don’t think the 31,000 number is real,but even if it is,I do know that most of the deniers are not climate scientists…some are geologists,biologists,meterologists. The overwhelming majority of actual climate scientists,who are trained in it and work only on climate science, agree that man is creating the imbalance in the atmospheric greenhouse gases that is causing warming and climate change. Again,how do these lay people who have no education in the field,and in some cases little education at all,think they have the ability to disagree w/ what most scientists support? It’s laughable!

        It reminds me of all the rightwingers disagreeing w/ the vast majority of GLOBAL economists who said we had to stimulate the economy to escape the recession. People w/ little or no knowledge about economics thinking they know better!!

      • alanjo55

        Don’t worry folks, volcanoes have a reverse effect on CO2 when they release sulfur dioxide gas. There have been a number of volcanoes erupting around the world recently. Hawaii has a volcano erupting daily and releasing sulfur dioxide gas. The amount of sulfur dioxide gas which has been released the last yr by volcanoes is probably good for 1000 yrs of man made CO2.
        __________________________________________

        The greatest volcanic impact upon the earth’s short term weather patterns is caused by sulfur dioxide gas. In the cold lower atmosphere, it is converted to sulfuric acid by the sun’s rays reacting with stratospheric water vapor to form sulfuric acid aerosol layers. The aerosol remains in suspension long after solid ash particles have fallen to earth and forms a layer of sulfuric acid droplets between 15 to 25 kilometers up. Fine ash particles from an eruption column fall out too quickly to significantly cool the atmosphere over an extended period of time, no matter how large the eruption.

        Sulfur aerosols last many years, and several historic eruptions show a good correlation of sulfur dioxide layers in the atmosphere with a decrease in average temperature decrease of subsequent years. The close correlation was first established after the 1963 eruption of Agung volcano in Indonesia when it was found that sulfur dioxide reached the stratosphere and stayed as a sulfuric acid aerosol.

        Without replenishment, the sulfuric acid aerosol layer around the earth is gradually depleted, but it is renewed by each eruption rich in sulfur dioxide. This was confirmed by data collected after the eruptions of El Chichon, Mexico (1982) and Pinatubo, Philippines (1991), both of which were high-sulfur compound carriers like Agung, Indonesia. http://volcanology.geol.ucsb.edu/gas.htm
        _________________________________________

        Volcanic Gases and Climate Change Overview
        Volcanoes can impact climate change. During major explosive eruptions huge amounts of volcanic gas, aerosol droplets, and ash are injected into the stratosphere. Injected ash falls rapidly from the stratosphere — most of it is removed within several days to weeks — and has little impact on climate change. But volcanic gases like sulfur dioxide can cause global cooling, while volcanic carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, has the potential to promote global warming.

        Eruption of Mount Pinatubo on June 15, 2001.

        The most significant climate impacts from volcanic injections into the stratosphere come from the conversion of sulfur dioxide to sulfuric acid, which condenses rapidly in the stratosphere to form fine sulfate aerosols. The aerosols increase the reflection of radiation from the Sun back into space, cooling the Earth’s lower atmosphere or troposphere. Several eruptions during the past century have caused a decline in the average temperature at the Earth’s surface of up to half a degree (Fahrenheit scale) for periods of one to three years. The climactic eruption of Mount Pinatubo on June 15, 1991, was one of the largest eruptions of the twentieth century and injected a 20-million ton (metric scale) sulfur dioxide cloud into the stratosphere at an altitude of more than 20 miles. The Pinatubo cloud was the largest sulfur dioxide cloud ever observed in the stratosphere since the beginning of such observations by satellites in 1978. It caused what is believed to be the largest aerosol disturbance of the stratosphere in the twentieth century, though probably smaller than the disturbances from eruptions of Krakatau in 1883 and Tambora in 1815. Consequently, it was a standout in its climate impact and cooled the Earth’s surface for three years following the eruption, by as much as 1.3 degrees at the height of the impact. Sulfur dioxide from the large 1783-1784 Laki fissure eruption in Iceland caused regional cooling of Europe and North America by similar amounts for similar periods of time.

        For more information about sulfur in the atmosphere, please see Volcanic Sulfur Aerosols Affect Climate and the Earth’s Ozone Layer.

        While sulfur dioxide released in contemporary volcanic eruptions has occasionally caused detectable global cooling of the lower atmosphere, the carbon dioxide released in contemporary volcanic eruptions has never caused detectable global warming of the atmosphere. This is probably because the amounts of carbon dioxide released in contemporary volcanism have not been of sufficient magnitude to produce detectable global warming. For example, all studies to date of global volcanic carbon dioxide emissions indicate that present-day subaerial and submarine volcanoes release less than a percent of the carbon dioxide released currently by human activities. While it has been proposed that intense volcanic release of carbon dioxide in the deep geologic past did cause global warming, and possibly some mass extinctions, this is a topic of scientific debate at present.
        http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/climate.php

        Larger forces than man made are at work. Read this paper for the truth in ecological understandings. http://creationconcepts.org/resources/ECOLOGY.pdf

      • herman hootenholler

        eddie, you come across as very sensible and insightful. you’re worth replying to. as i was reading this article about rare earths; i came to, also, think that we could develop substitutes for these rare earths(i wasn’t aware of the “rare earths”issue)e,g, synthetics, etc.

      • JeffH

        ROFPMP!

      • wolfie

        Let me guess you do not believe in science, the earth is flat, you never went to college or if you did you dropped out because you did not apply yourself (do homework) I suppose you approve of polluting the air and water. Maybe you never heard of cancer. But knowing about cancer would involve believing in science

      • http://gmail.com David J. Sanchez

        eddie47 when will you realize that Al Gore is solely in this for his own gain as he flies about the globe and travels by limousine to promote his green agenda. He makes a very debatable case about man made pollution contributing to climate change, and yet he is one of the greatest contributors to it. Sure we should develop new technology for energy, but NOT at the taxpayer’s expense. It should be developed at a pace that makes it affordable but not taking from the citizens pockets through loans from the U.S. government—-Think Solyndra. Plus since when can we lubricate motors and other equipment without petroleum products? And since nearly all the plastics we use are manufactured from petroleum what then ? If everyone drove electric automobiles there wouldn’t even be nearly enough energy to power all these vehicles, unless an additional hundreds of power plants were built. Let us develop our own sources of power independent of China, and until that time utilize the abundant oil and natural gas that our own continent provides.

      • Winston Smith

        Yes, it is true that our oil reserves are not infinite and that we’d all be better off working towards alternative energy sources as our LONG TERM future! But, remember, a free, prosperous, productive, creative America went from “glorified skyrockets” to a man on the Moon in TEN years! So, if we stop throwing BILLIONS down the ‘rabbit hole’ of some miniscule “Green” company and quit obstructing the way to local oil we can regain those lost attributes and do more, similar, miracles! Yes, oil can be seen as a “crutch”. But we can go through the door of “Oil independence” faster on “crutches” than crawling on our belly in the approaching “Socialist Paradise”!

      • denniso

        Everyone who really looks into the numbers knows that we can’t drill our way to energy independence,unless we filled most of our country and coasts w/ drilling rigs and pump jacks…even then,if we don’t nationalize our entire oil industry and force it to sell only to us,the oil goes to the world market and to whomever will pay the best price for it.

        No rightwingers or oil pushers in general ever mention one aspect of the problem. We represent 5% of the world population and use 25% of the energy…something a little wrong there? Why are some people opposed to us becoming more efficient and less wasteful in the pursuit of being less dependent on foreign oil? Is it their personal investment in oil co stocks?

      • alex

        Currently, engines designed and manufactured for the European market are built in Tennessee. They are super efficient, super clean and illegal to be sold in the USA.
        What is wrong with this picture?

    • Ed Scott

      It is amazing how “so-called” smart people will interpret Thomas Jefferson’s philosophy regarding Separation of Church and State, incorrectly, and totally ignore his position regarding a person or country being able to sustain itself.

      When you walk into Monticello, Jefferson’s plantation, the first thing you will see is why the home was built the way it was, self sustaining. Jefferson believed you would lose your freedom, if you lost the ability to provide for yourself. I believe this country is going to learn that lesson the hard way and either China or Russia will become our benefactor.

      • slayerwulfe

        A very interesting comment and one I can relate to especially since there has never been separation of church and state. (see: voting)
        While FDR’s intentions may have been good it was, the road to hell for us in that everyone expects government to help them now with ever little problem they face.

      • denniso

        If you guys don’t think we should have separation of church and state,then you must be in favor of allowing Islamic law into our gov’t,whether at the local,state or national level. Most Muslim countries do exactly that,incorporate their religion into their gov’t. Is that what we should do? We would have to be open to accepting any or all religious strictures into any or all gov’t institutions. I know,those who want to abolish the separation clause from the constitution imagine that it only means allowing our majority religion into our gov’t functions…but unless you also write a new clause into the constitution to say specifically that only Christianity will be allowed into our governance and schools,it would be open to all religions,Islam included.

        I also realize that there are people who can’t seem to understand the separtion clause,but that should mean they work harder at that and not try to change the constitution they claim to love,and open the door of civic affairs to any kook religion that has enough support somewhere in the country. Talk about a Pandoras Box!

      • Opal the Gem

        Show me where in the constitution it says we must have absolute seperation of church and state.

      • denniso

        ‘Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion’.

        The first ammendment…

        That means,simply,that since what Congress does is make law,there can be no connection between religion and gov’t. Religion can exist anywhere it wants,just not w/ any funding or support from the gov’t. Religious events or symbols on gov’t(public) land is support by the gov’t. You people who can’t seem to understand the first ammendment need to study it a bit more and figure it out. You let your religious bias blind you to the obvious.

        Why would you want to open the door to Sharia law,or Muslim/Mormon/Hindu practices in public schools/buildings/events?

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      USMC Goes Green ?

      Corps going green to save lives on battlefield
      By Julie Watson – The Associated Press
      Posted : Monday Mar 21, 2011 16:35:07 EDT

      • DaveH

        You want to save lives? It’s simple. Get our military out of other countries’ business.

      • Iva Raggon

        Here is a topic which we agree upon.

    • Roy Major

      From my perspective it appears that dirty energy has absolute power in this country to kill any efforts to save lives thru the transition
      to clean energy production and consumption. where are the prolifers?
      We don’t have to prove human caused climate change to have a motive for the transition to clean energy. We only have to see the human caused “red smog alerts”. This affects the born and the unborn.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Roy . . . name just 1 Country with 300 million plus inhabitants that is CLEANER??? Anthropogenic Gorebull Warming has NEVER been proven by Science . . . CO2 is a benign, odorless, colorless gas, it is NOT CARBON . . . it is Plant Food period!!!

      • eddie47d

        Too much of it is falling into the oceans which accelerates the bleaching(killing) of coral and plankton which important fish feed on.That part of global warming and CO2 has been proven around the world. No true scientist is going to deny something that is visible for them to see.

      • DaveH

        Eddie,
        You’re fabricating facts, once again. It must be nice to have no integrity and be able, with a straight face, to just make up whatever facts you want to support your positions.
        Can you ever just supply some references to your supposed facts?
        You surely know by now that you have no credibility on this board.

      • eddie47d

        By denouncing others the way you do you have even less credibility and a very closed mind on some subjects.

      • djdrew103

        Eddie, you have to ignore these people that are “stuck on stupid” who attack you. They demand references for facts, but fail to say they haven’t, won’t and never will accepts facts.

        They would rather tout their opposition banners and wave their protest flags, and pretend they are doing the world a favor, as they hand down a future to their descendants (if we are burdened by the outlook of their ability to propagate) based on lies, foolish gullibility and idiotic stubbornness to merely argue points back and forth.

        There’s no doubt and no question that we are experiencing global warming and a lessening ability to balance the gases we live under, and pollute. They will say prove it, while being blind and ignorant of news reports of dwindling rain forests, over production of lumber for trees and the death of even large forests as warmer winters allow pests harmful to tree populations survive winter and feast on the forests, killing off thousands of acres more and more each year.

        Hype and lies have hurt both sides of the argument, in not sinking tax payers dollars into foolishly wasteful and fraudulent means, or on the other hand simply promoting the global warming problem with so much hype and lies that no one wants to listen. The facts remain we have a problem and both sides have harmed our ability to resist corporations and countries that ignore the issues in the name of greed.

        There are countries that are leaving the US far behind in research and development just because the fools on both sides of the arguments have no desire to be honest about the situation and that’s a fact.

        Anyone that isn’t a moron can look up on the internet now and see the dwindling glaciers and forests, and only blind moronic behavior to merely resist opposition parties will say it isn’t so. Many falsely claim it is merely the natural order of things, as if there is no need to try and control our pollution and emissions. Its those idiots alone who form the largest most guilty party of handing our children a wasted world, and adding to the efforts by powers and corporations to leech and suck the planet dry in the name of their profits.

        These same dead brained opinions will ignore the fact that the US doesn’t even rank a low percentage score for holding oil reserves in the, but swallow oil company claims that we have enough oil for centuries in order to get permits opened up to drill more and deeper, as if that’s a cure to our energy problems.

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        “Comparison to oil reserves throughout the world”

        Based on data at the end of 2009 the highest proved oil reserves including non-conventional oil deposits are in Saudi Arabia (18 per cent of global reserves), Canada (12 %, mostly oil sands), Venezuela (12 %, mostly tar sands), Iran (9 %), Iraq (8 %), Kuwait (7 %), UAE (7 %) and Russia (5 %).

        The United States doesn’t even rate within this field, much to the chagrin of claims by supposedly expert opinions that say that our demand for oil can be solved by merely drilling for more oil, opening licensing restrictions and producing more petroleum locally in the US.

        Supplies prove that this would only be a momentary fix for answers creating the false conception of independence from foreign oil. It would not suffice to cure our long-term need for foreign dependancies but rather would deplete our own limited reserves and resources making the US far more dependant on foreign oil and hold far less bargaining power. thsi woudl of course result in outlandishly far higher prices at the pump as in other countries where gasoline is $18 per gallon, as news of the increased US depletion of resources spread.

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        Fact is, just as these claims in the article suck up the over-hype that we would be dependent on China for these precious metals, they ignore the fact that we are dependent even now for those same metals for a multitude of products that are economically sound and they elude from mentioning that theses metals are abundant throughout the world, merely not produced by other countries since the market isn’t demanding enough to be competitive with China and their poverty level work force of a billion people. If the demand increases, more countries will enter the market even as they are now.

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        “China’s near-monopoly position in world rare earth production.”

        REE reserves and the reserve base are more dispersed throughout the world. China holds 50% of the world’s reserves (55 million metric tons out of 110 million metric tons) and the United States holds about 13% according to the most recent USGS estimate. South Africa and Canada (included in the “Other” category) have significant REE potential, according to the USGS. REE reserves are also found in Australia, Brazil, India, Russia, South Africa, Malaysia, and Malawi.

        Rare earth element reserves and resources are found in Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Missouri, Utah, and Wyoming. HREEs dominate in the Quebec-Labrador (Strange Lake) and Northwest Territories (Thor Lake) areas of Canada. There are high-grade deposits in Bayan Obo, Inner Mongolia, China (where much of the world’s REE production is taking place) and lower-grade deposits in South China provinces providing a major source of the heavy rare earth elements. Areas considered to be attractive for REE development include Strange Lake and Thor Lake in Canada; Karonga, Burundi; and Wigu Hill in Southern Tanzania.

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        Fact is, the batteries for non-gasoline vehicles are 80-90% recyclable, and countries overseas are even now instituting retailer/dealer programs to lease those batteries to the end user to insure that they get recycled appropriately.

        Fact is, if we listen to these “traitors to our descendants”, we will never be on the road to alternative fuels and less dependent on foreign oil.

        Fact is, if most of these dissenters were guaranteed that they would be held accountable to our future offspring and have to face their criticisms of how we failed them when we could have made a difference when change needed to be made, they would cower in their cowardly corners, but with the prospect of free speech with no responsibility for their words or actions, they can falsely claim facades of bravado as they ignorantly shout out their non-fact-based arguments.

        Fact is, we are a nation of weak and worthless people who ignore our wasteful habits and use blind criticisms to prompt false claims and weaker goals. That is what our youth have for a promise of their future, an impudent ancestry.

      • eddie47d

        Thanks Drew. Dave attacks me no matter what is said. It’s either his facts or no facts.

      • JC

        Oh come on eddie, 90% of what you put up here is pure propogandist conjecture…that “you” see as gospel. You deserve to be attacked on a regular basis…you’re a “communist idiot”.
        Have a good one Kamrade. :)

      • eddie47d

        JC is kind as per usual just like a few other trolls

      • Opal the Gem

        eddie you have yet to provide any facts. If you had any FACTS you would have references, sources, and/or links so others could check them for themselves. Since you can NEVER provide any sources for your “facts” it is logical to draw the conclusion your “facts” are made up.

      • denniso

        Good post,djdrew103…

        And isn’t it interesting to see DaveH repeat the same tired phrases.
        Anytime he doesn’t agree w/ someone he spouts the exact smae thing,’surely you know that you have no credibility on this board’. He can’t seem to come up w/ anything more original,and certainly can’t respond w/ a rational thought. DaveH,I think you need a break. You’ve been here too long.

      • DaveH

        We don’t have to prove anything, Roy, just vote with your own dollars in the marketplace. If you think alternative energy is the way to go, then buy it. It’s as simple as that. But don’t try to force the rest of us to do things your way.

      • Void1972

        djdrew states;

        “Fact is, if we listen to these “traitors to our descendants”, we will never be on the road to alternative fuels and less dependent on foreign oil.
        Fact is, if most of these dissenters were guaranteed that they would be held accountable to our future offspring and have to face their criticisms of how we failed them when we could have made a difference when change needed to be made, they would cower in their cowardly corners, but with the prospect of free speech with no responsibility for their words or actions, they can falsely claim facades of bravado as they ignorantly shout out their non-fact-based arguments.
        Fact is, we are a nation of weak and worthless people who ignore our wasteful habits and use blind criticisms to prompt false claims and weaker goals. That is what our youth have for a promise of their future, an impudent ancestry.”

        dj, I couldn’t agree more! “traitors to our descendants” are what the liberal is all about! You have sold out the last stand for freedom, spent our children’s, childrens future for a communist one world government.

        You state “Fact is, if most of these dissenters were guaranteed that they would be held accountable to our future offspring and have to face their criticisms of how we failed them when we could have made a difference when change needed to be made, they would cower in their cowardly corners, but with the prospect of free speech with no responsibility for their words or actions, they can falsely claim facades of bravado as they ignorantly shout out their non-fact-based arguments.

        dj, please explain to me how accountable the black community really is? How accountable are you to your future “offspring” when 70% of you are born out of wedlock and our prisons are currently filled with 70% of your offspring?
        Talk about “no responsibility for their words or actions”, Holy Cow! You and yours are the most hypocritical of every culture in the world!
        I agree that many American do “cower in their cowardly corner”, but most of them are liberals and the rest are rinos that love political correctness!

        And you do have the insight to state “Fact is, we are a nation of weak and worthless people who ignore our wasteful habits and use blind criticisms to prompt false claims and weaker goals. That is what our youth have for a promise of their future, an impudent ancestry.”

        Very truthful statement, but mainly aimed at your community. This is how your upbringing has effected your perception. Your understanding of America is extremely different from those who have worked and fought and contributed to the greatness of America.
        Yours is an, what can my country do for me attitude and what can I take from those who contribute, because I’m ENTITLED!
        Yes dj, you are weak and worthless and because of you and all that think like you; “That is what our youth have for a promise of their future, an impudent ancestry.”
        Very well stated dj!
        We finally agree!
        God Bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

    • Jackie Fontes

      Is China our enemy? Is China involving us in wars all over Africa and the Middle East in our quest for oil? China is a competitor, as is OPEC. Only we can make China our enemy. Fossil fuels are destroying the planet, this is undebateable. If China has the materials we need, we have to have something that China needs; if not, we lose the competition. Right now that’s a huge consumer base, but that won’t last forever (We are annihilating the manufacturing sector; the result will be a reduced consumer class – this is already happening). We have to be more inventive, more original in our thinking. It’s silly to cling to fossil fuels as an answer, as this attitude will make us more obsolete.

      • moonbeam

        “If China has the materials we need, we have to have something that China needs;”

        Almost everything in our homes is made in China. We borrow 40 cents from China for every dollar we spend. China has us by the short hairs and all they need is to get a wild one up their wazoo and tell us to take a hike.

        Not only are we dependent on the ME for oil, we depend on China not to sanction us for being a world bully. However, I’ve heard it said that China needs us just as much as we need them. Strange symbiotic relationship and quite freaky.

    • professor

      The fact is that people like Gore will not be effected by any of this nonsense! His life style won’t change…he will always have more than enough of everything he wants or needs. This is only a way for him to increase his personal wealth and sell his own country (that has been very good to his family) down the river! That makes him a despicable, greedy person that should be “shunned” by all…

      We need to quit involving China in everything this country does! China is our enemy, and they can’t believe we are so gullible (stupid) and naive. Get as far away from China as possible and stop importing the toxic trash they manufacture…especially for us! Stop borrowing money from them! This country, once again, needs to start producing the things we need. Our government wants to make us dependent on other countries for everything…food, energy, medicine.They will destroy our defense and take away our firearms. If they accomplish this, we will be slaves, without having a way to feed ourselves. We will be thrown back to live and die,as “primitives,” if we are accorded even that much humanity.

      Tell them to “eat” that debt. If they want they can try to come get it. (They will anyway, it is just a matter of when.) China spends the majority of their GNP on their military…..One of these days they are going to use that military might and unlimited manpower.

      • eddie47d

        Great reply Jackie Fontes. Now Professor? Think again who is selling this country down the river and increasing their wealth. Look no further than Wall Street and the Corporate Elites. Do you shun the Koch Brothers who have indictments against them and who have also polluted America for profit. Is that who you have in your corner? Is it fine for them to increase their wealth or do you believe in selective capitalism. If China is our enemy why have we been trading with them since the Nixon era? You say to “tell them to eat our debt” so is that a new way of doing business as a capitalist.Doing that would really make us irrelevant in the world and at a much faster pace. Now remember they are only beating us at our own game so we have to come up with a better product and not allow the patten to leave our shores.

      • DaveH

        You’re polluting the board right now with your BS, Eddie.
        “Koch Brothers who have indictments against them”?
        Care to back that up, Eddie? The regulars know you as a slanderous liar, so it would be best for you to supply evidence for your fabricated facts.
        http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/278968/ibloombergi-hit-piece-koch-brothers-daniel-foster
        The Koch Brothers have long had free-market, limited government political beliefs. I guess Eddie prefers the Crony Capitalists who work symbiotically with Politicians to feather each other’s nests.

      • eddie47d

        The only liar I see right now Dave H is you and your famous name calling. Look up Bloomberg News you hateful troll of denying others their opinions and facts. In May 2008 a subsidiary of Koch Industries (Koch-Glitsch)paid bribes to win contracts. They are also involved in improper payments to win business in Africa,India and the Middle East. They are now involved in selling millions of dollars of equipment to Iran which has been banned. They did this through foreign subsidiaries thus thwarting the ban. Nice guys right.. They have also rigged prices with competitors,lied to regulators and run afoul several times to environmental laws.(that has made 5 criminal convictions since 1999). Hardly poster boys for trust and honesty. So please stop your arrogant trashing of others it makes you look foolish.

      • JeffH

        Of course eddie wouldn’t post the whole story would he…

        Melissa Cohlmia, Koch’s director of corporate communications, said in an e-mailed statement that the company has developed a good relationship with environmental regulators and now complies with all rules. Cohlmia says the company has learned lessons from past mistakes, including the improper payment scheme that Koch outlined in its letter filed in French court.

        ‘Steps to Correct’

        “We are proud to be a major American employer and manufacturing company with about 50,000 U.S. employees,” she wrote. “Given the regulatory complexity of our business, we will, like any business, have issues that arise. When we fall short of our goals, we take steps to correct and address the issues in order to ensure compliance.”

        Cohlmia says Koch fired the employees and sales agents involved in the illicit payments and strengthened internal controls.

        Regarding sales to Iran, she wrote, “During the relevant time frame covered in your article, U.S. law allowed foreign subsidiaries of U.S. multinational companies to engage in trade involving countries subject to U.S. trade sanctions, including Iran, under certain conditions.”

        Koch has since stopped all of its units from trading with Iran, she says.

        The company tells all of its employees around the world that its top two values, which it calls Guiding Principles, are integrity and compliance. Koch Industries and its subsidiaries have won 436 awards for safety, environmental excellence, community and customer service and innovation since January 2009, Cohlmia says.

        The U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration has recognized several of the company’s units for their commitment to the workplace, the company says. Koch Industries has also supported charitable causes in Wichita and beyond, including the Kansas Special Olympics and Big Brothers Big Sisters. The company has also helped enlistees in the U.S. Army Reserve.

        Koch Industries has donated millions of dollars to the Nature Conservancy, the Red Cross, the Salvation Army and victims of the March 11 earthquake and tsunami in Japan.

      • eddie47d

        Why would I Jeff when Dave demanded proof that Koch did anything wrong. Which I did so lay off your typical spin of what was asked. . Even your pal Adolph bounced children on his knee to show how decent he was or was that for publicity. The Koch’s do put up a good front when needed.

      • djdrew103

        Dave H.

        I have serious doubts now as to your mental capability to hold any form of realistic view or input.

        “The Koch Brothers have long had free-market, limited government political beliefs”

        Boy oh boy, is that ever slinging the crapola freely? That’s a pretty verse to re-describe:

        “The Koch brothers have long sought for a control free path to using their financial powers as billionaires, unrestricted by laws or policy, to control and manipulate present governmental functions to protect the people from corporate greed and malice.”

        I bet they are interested in limited governmental involvment for sure, they prove it here:

        Koch Brothers Flout Law Getting Richer With Secret Iran Sale

        http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-02/koch-brothers-flout-law-getting-richer-with-secret-iran-sales.html

        Anyone so utterly blind enough to ignore the current media reports concerning the Koch Brothers, and claim in argument that others are wrong on their viewpoint of the same, has serious mental issues son.

        Do you think that making such claims somehow magically goes unnoticed? And you think Eddie spreads propaganda? God, such blatant ignorance of facts and you think you are touting some form of accurate argument?

        You would have heckled Jesus son! Just for the fun of standing in the crowd and jeering his sermons for the sake of self importance and attention! Your personal attacks on others and wildly extravagant claims that are totally chaotic and false, do nothing but boost their (your self proclaimed opponents) validity, even if there was a possibly in viewer’s opinions that they were wrong.

        China right now has shown us their might as they sought to control Japan’s imports of those spouted precious metals, and Japan has always had to worry about such imports to bolster their manufacturing and trade production. Japan simply is finding other sources, and everyone else will too, in order to proceed with seeking alternative energy and “green” transportation. Its actually a bad business decision on China’s part, as it bolsters the production in other countries and the US holds the only other viable fields of resources in those metals compared to other countries who hold third place if they pooled ALL their resources. That would merely make more jobs here, and increase and strengthen our competitive field in those metals. We all know what happens in competitive markets, prices drop.

        So jump on your infamous bandwagon son, these claims and wars on others merely increase the validity of their arguments. Belittling their views doesn’t hamper their effort to expose the truth.

        We need those alternative resources, and no one ever claimed they would replace our present use of coal and oil, merely make us less dependent on them is all, and that is the overall goal. Pure and simple.

      • djdrew103

        dave H. and Jeff H…

        hmmmm…

        seems like maybe the Koch brothers got on here and created some cartoon characters to allow them to voice their counter measures…smiling.

        I doubt if the Koch brothers would publicly respond to the accusations by saying “So What?”

        I am sure they spends millions out of their billions to present a facade of good will towards their public image.

        Of course they will claim that it was their employees faults, and fire people as scapegoats, and claim they never knew what was going on. What makes you guys look foolish is the end results when released of just what the Koch brothers will be found guilty of. Oh I am sure the investigative committee will go round and round with them just like they did with S&P and Goldman Sachs, but in the long run, they will probably pay their fines and go on with their evil ways all in the name of profits.

        Of course no one brought the Koch Brother’s publicity stunt to the surface, there was no need too, it is too openly viewed as hype, not as actual solid evidence of their innocence. Their actual involvement, and personal responsibility will be proven in the courts.

        But if you think we are to believe that they conducted business with Iran as a company and had no knowledge of it, then you are about as ignorant as they are for believing that we would swallow it.

    • Ronbo

      Gore barely made a peep when the Republicans on the Supereme Court stole the election for Bush. I don’t think that is a power-hungry monster. Someone needs a dose of reality and quit sniffing buttholes.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Stole the election? Your still there? Really? Ever heard of the Electorate vote, you know, the one they use in every election? You have no idea of the damage we dodged had Al Gore gotten elected. And we are lucky for that.

    • Ronbo

      There are no quotatuibs from Al Gore in this piece. Only accusations that Gore did this, said that or meant that. It’s all just an opinion piece attacking Gore. No facts, no truth.

    • ‘Dan az

      Well John I couldn’t agree more.They just figured out how they are going to pay down the debt.Check this out.
      http://www.newswithviews.com/brownfield/brownfield59.htm

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