Interestingly, in every situation where ‘gay’ marriage has come under popular referendum it has been voted down with huge margins. The courts then over-rule the people and impose it upon the population anyway. In every state it exists, it has been imposed against majority rule. Think about it. Our open borders stand open in opposition to the majority. Was the ruling against school prayer the work of the majority? Ten commandments removal? ObamaCare? The list goes on and on. Yet, people just stand by and watch.

Monte
Would would you like for all to do?Blood in the streets march on Washington and hang them all?If you haven’t noticed thats exactly what they want!All it takes is one thing and marshal law trumps the constitution and bill of rights.All of us here are doing what we can to spread the word of what is going on.The awakening is happening finally and the only thing that we can do right now is keep spreading the truth and showing the facts.This election will show all that we the people do have a say and that’s what bothers them.They have done everything in their power to divide us and challenged us to start the riots.But we know what their next move is and if we can’t stop it at the polls then we also know that the war is on.So until then we just keep doing what we can and its showing in a big way.

Hear Hear..Dan Az!

You are correct. This is all part of the “bottom up-top down” progran adcocated by those who surround Obama. They are just waiting for anyu excuse for the “Christians” to do anything that they could, in their eyes, construe as being anti anything so they can impose martial law and revoke all of our constitutional rights especially those who are Christian. What is funny is that this administration turns a blind eye to all the union and other liberal/leftists/progressive groups that are disrupting peoples rights (legislative meetings, etc,).

afd – Turning a blind eye, my foot. They’re instigating them.

How many places in the US now insist that you cannot have ANY assembly UNLESS you pay for a permit? That is “required government permission that you must pay for”. Definately against the Constitution since they can turn down the permit for any gathering they don’t want to have done.

satan has been running this world since the fall of Adam and Eve.But that is about to change.However,things are going to get much worse before they get better.Get right with GOD now and stay true to the end and you will be fine.

We must study the same Bible!!

eddie 47d __ this isn’t right/left paradigm, were talking Constitutional Rights!__although this all been prophesied in the Bible,I don’t think God expects us to stand idly by and say!

Angel – I’m seeing that it’s eddie’s (and other libs, as well) job to keep the L/R paradigm going. It doesn’t matter what the issue, he makes it about the L/R.

The truth is, a real conservative is rare, and doesn’t last long in politics before coming around to the DC mindset. They are all Left-leaning now, regardless of their labels.

The war is now against Christians. This is not only about eliminating God from everything. It’s also part of the pitting of each man against the other, for any reason, and Christians make an easy target these days, since they are the only ones who still see perversity as…perversity.

Of course, we have vast numbers of churches now who are “coming around” to the idea of a “new world” (order). Even Christianity is selling its soul.

All things that can be shaken are being shaken. This is so the things that cannot be shaken will be left standing.

The shaking is just beginning…

kate8, trying again, sadly your right kate. I think it’s being done to incite civil unrest. What a better way to impose Martial Law, by Excuetive Order, which is the ONLY wanna be Legislation, this admin has done so far!

Sounds to me like this family willsoon own Capistrano .. With GOD in their corner who can defeat them .. everyone should be “Praying without ceasing on this one .. Christians can’t lose this battle ..
GOD Bless America Let Freedom Ring

Kate
You’ve got that right.What eddie forgot to mention is their religion,Would that be the catholic church pulling the strings?Say the vatican?Which has always tried to convert the christians or kill them!

Dan az_ so true, Religion & Politics are Dangerous entities!

DANAZ there are Christians who are catholic,mormon and all other religions that worship GOD. I am sure there are Christians in your church. This country is being taken over by the religion of satan,and all you can do is knock Catholics.Man, you got real class.

jon, the catholic church is waaaay more mixed up in this than most people realize. This isn’t about knocking anyones faith, we’ve ALL been duped!!!

ANGEL You are more right than you know about being duped.I have been doing some heavy reading of ancient writings.It is amazing but,no one wants to believe it. Puts a whole new light on things.

john__ most all the regulars on here know it too, thats why we keep spreading the word!___there is a lot to read out there___

I’ll share this link_-if ya want the best in original American History, David Barton is it! That man is a walking History book, have to listen when he talks though B/C he talks fast__ check out the link, you won’t be disappointed___

http://www.wallbuilders.com/

Sorry John
I guess I can’t find that link for ya but some one here will probably have it.If not then start researching the vatican history and see what they have been doing lately and who is truly pulling the strings in the NWO and the feds.I couldn’t believe it either until I started looking things up.If you get into the NWO elites you’ll find that they have plans for a one world religion.Guess what that is?Check out the Illuminati and free masons while your at it.It will blow your mind.Oh and as far as my church goes I don’t have one and never have.I too am still a christian even though I don’t believe in going to church.Wasn’t it christ that said your body is your church?Well Thats what I believe to.And I have looked at all of them even the ones that you probably wouldn’t,And I feel that I have a pretty good grasp on things and life in general.

Dan az – Here is an intersting site:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl0ItKI_UVk&feature=related

Dan az – And this one:

http://endtimesforecaster.blogspot.com/2011/05/planet-x-marks-spot-and-elenin-too.html

Once you grasp what the secret is, the key, it all falls into place.

OMG.

Dan az,
Remember, God said where two or more of you gather, I am there. If your body is your church, then how does that happen? I’m not mocking you, I’m serious.

Kate
Those where good ones!It looks to me like they have been planning their survival with our tax dollars for a few years now.I would not be surprised to see marshal law come to reality with in the next month or two.And that would be when they go underground.They will have their guards protecting their whole in the ground by way of either his civilian army or UN troops.They can hide but in reality they fug their own grave.I would rather watch the show then hide my head in the ground like little ants.They might survive but why to repopulate the earth with the same people that took us all here to this point.I feel sorry for them because they will be missing the only thing that will have brought the entire world together as one mind and soul united finally.

Did not Jesus The Christ, tell His followerers that they would be told what to say,, by Holy Spirit,when questioned by the riligious leaders of their time? Sme hold true today, for God is the same yesterday, today and forever! He never sleeps nor does He ever slumber!!

Kate
Excellent!!!I’m saving that site to check out the rest.
Joe
I’m not quite sure what your saying.But my wife of forty years makes two.She was a catholic sense childhood but now she’s like me,we believe in the energy that God is and we make our own destiny good or bad and we learn from it.Every day is something special and I’m just taking it all in.I’m not sure if deity fits but I have always loved science and have always questioned every faith that man has written for people that need control in there lives.With out that I feel that Kaos would prevail.So If someone needs it I say great for you but don’t force it on me.And I wont force what I believe on you.Really I think everyone should have faith be it energy or what ever.I sense things on planes that are hard to explain so I just don’t say anything.God to me is pure energy and all things are made of it.Even time its self.This is just a class room that we all are in to learn the truth.This is not the end just a beginning for all of us.Death dosen’t scare me,I have died before and not just once.So you see I can call myself a christen because I do believe in God,just in a different way than some.I can only hope now that the people here don’t take it in the wrong way.Because I’m happy and that’s what counts.

After looking up deity it is differently the wrong word but I think you get what I’m saying.There is a really good site that would explain it allot better if your up to it.Its long but well worth it.I have always seen things in this perspective sense a child and this site puts it into words that I can’t explain.I’m not a writer.And have always had a hard time explaining things.

See what I mean the word is difinitely

I guess it would help if I put the site up huh?
http://kacperpostawski.com/blog/2011/08/16/quickening/
Whats really embarrassing is this will be here all weekend.

Dan az,
If you truely believe it and believe in god almighty, then please, don’t be embarrassed!! I only asked as I didn’t understand what you were saying. there are others here, one in particular that have stated their beliefs and then later stated something exactly the opposite!! This does not, in any way reflect on you or your wife!! God Bless!

Dan – I have seen your video before. Why would you be embarrassed? It would seem that we are more alike than has been previously thought. I too believe in a “God” more like the concept you have indicated. I have been studying for years (not to the extent Kate has). We are all one! who cares what anyone else thinks. What resonates we one is what is right for that one. It’s what you feel in your heart is right that matters.

Dan – Watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_YOG3jMlV4&feature=youtu.be

Karolyn – Loved the video. There are many such messages now of this type. Check out anything with Gregg Braden (he was the first clip on the workings of the mind) or David Sereda, also. They are two of the finest and highest minds alive today.

What we have to be aware of is that, as with religious messages, the PTB have hijacked these things for their own purposes in order to lure us into the idea of world government as a move toward “oneness”. That is why it is so important to see the machinations of darkness, so that we aren’t lured into their deceit. When we see the “evil” in the world, we must recognize it as the manifestation of our own collective inner darkness, and own it. We have been living in a fragmented state as beings, and it is only by recognizing our polarity that we can return to simply BEING.

What we need to remember, also, is that the answer will not come from a human source. There will be no political solution. The world is in, as Scripture says, a time of “great perplexity”. The answer IS coming, however, from a Divine Source. Man’s manipulations will utterly and devastatingly fail, and we must not put our hope in them.

In all times of culmination, humanity “splits” into intensely polarized factions. It is part of the process (witness the life of a single cell) of expansion. Revelation refers to it as the “harvest”, the “separating of the wheat from the chaff”, the “sheep from the goats”. As shown in the video, there have been many civilizations which appear to have been suddenly wiped out by some cosmic event. This is the entire message of the Bible, and other cultural holy writings, as well.

I recall looking with amazement (while traveling) at huge mountains which look as though they were once lifted up and turned on their sides. Earth is about to be “turned under”, as a crop field. Washed clean. Everything that can be shaken will be shaken. Pummeled. This is a real, recurring cosmic event. These cycles are messages encoded in all scriptures.

The “intense white light” is another clue. The Hopi’s return of the “True White Brother”…

Time to get ready.

Kate – What is your take on the radio signals supposedly coming from Elenin? There is just too much going on for me to get any kind of clear picture – if it is possible to get a clear picture! So many different opinions and theories. I am ready for whatever happens and am not afraid.

Karolyn – I’ve heard some crazy things about Elenin. I don’t know what to make of it, either. Last I heard it was breaking up into 2 pieces (Two Witnesses?). So I looked to see what I could find, and it seems that there is yet another take on Elenin:

http://www.raptureintheairnow.com/rita-main-discussion-forum/the-two-witnesses-in-heaven-forming-a-giant-omega-symbol-awesome

In any case, Elenin seems to be a comet (or something) that is preceding Nibiru, which is the REAL object of concern.

Do you have a link for that? I heard something similar on Coast to Coast awhile back, but at the time I just shrugged it off.

I don’t know when, either, but I’m convinced it’s not too far off. I have some ideas, but then…In any case, I’m ready, too.

Karolyn – There is a ton of disinformation about this, so you have to sift through. I’ve read some books, as well, so I’m starting to get what I think is a pretty good picture of what’s happening.

Here is an example of how NASA attempts to hide this from us:

http://nibiruplanetx.blogspot.com/2011/02/nibiru-aka-tyche-brown-dwarf-is-headed.html

Kate – Here’s a link to one of the Elenin radio signal videos. There are a few – I also heard an interview on YouTube with someone who had other info about some odd forcefield around it. So much to digest. Mor info every day. It’s hard to sift through everything!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=jRYGwLBlpog

Karolyn – Too weird. Did you read the comments? One guy says he played with the signals and it says “One world Earth”. It’s just so hard to know what’s real and what isn’t in today’s world of technology and illusion.

Here is another radio interview with a guy who says that Elenin is an artificial intelligence. Meaning that it was placed up there. Who knows. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPvfGNfQR-o&feature=related

Some speculate that it was placed there when Nibiru last came through on a collision course with Earth by those who were here then. I sure don’t have any answers about that one. All I know is that what is happening fits ancient scriptures to a tee.

When Daniel received his visions, he asked God what they meant. He told Daniel that it was not for him to know, that man would not understand any of these things until right before the end comes. Now that we have been able to see it coming, it all begins to make sense.

I have been reading so fast that I haven’t written down the exact passages, but one in Isaiah describes it as looking like a Jasper, or sardine stone, surrounded by green…can’t remember exactly right now. Anyway, there is a photo of it, like infrared or something, where it looks red like jasper, surrounded by green…blew me away.

Here’s another good one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OD1FZ7293E&NR=1&feature=fvwp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6aZCca03wo&feature=related

Intriguing. Fascinating.

There is another one which shows Nibiru where it looks exactly like a giant eye in the sky. I’m thinking maybe that’s where the ancients got the “eye of Horus” symbol. I’ve posted it twice but I don’t think anyone bothered to look at it. It was amazing.

Karolyn
Really uplifting to say the least.I think the event that is going to take place is what is needed for all of humanity.This is very interesting times that we are in.So many things are happening and people are awaking to this fact.I watched three of those from the site you left and will watch more when I have more time.Thanks

Eddie47d,

Sorry to burst your bubble again but San Juan Capistrano has one Mayor, one pro tem Mayor and three city council members and 12 city council appointee’s. Here is their web site check it out http://www.sanjuancapistrano.org/index.aspx?page=60 , plus there is no political party identified for any member of the council to include Mayor. Nice try Eddie.

In California one may not run for city or county level office as a member of a given political party. All such offices are non-partisan. In reality, of course, the individuals running may be party members’ but that designation may not be shown on the ballot, and the vast majority of voters are ignorant of the candidates’ political party affiliation.

Hey white Tiger.Like the name.Can we start a group called the white tigers like the black panthers,or would we be called racist?I think I would take the chance.

Brad you can’t fight the “exagerations” of the liberals with facts . They will always believe the stories that they pull out of that dark spot that the sun doesn’t shine on . Facts only incite hoots , screams , and feces flinging .

No bubble burst here Brad Out of 178 city council member in Orange County only 19 are Democrats. I should have phrased the figures better. San Juan Capistrano is still a majority Republican city. I didn’t turn it into a political issue Angle Wannabe that was By George. So no exaggeration JD but nice try!

And again Eddie the article is discussing the City of San Juan Capistrano and it’s blatent disrespect of a citizens 1st amendment rights, it’s not about Orange County and the number of city counsil seats what party has or doesn’t have.

JD
Don’t pay much attention to edduh he hasn’t a clue to what orange county is.Nor how large an area that it covers.It’s sorta like saying sanfransisco is nothern calif. Nice try eddddddduuuuuh!

Don’t flatter yourself Dan with poppycock. Your analogy would be more in the liking to the right wing claiming the Northeast is a Liberal bastion. San Juan Capistrano is in a Conservative area with a Conservative city council. I meant nothing else.

From Eddie “There are 178 council members and only 19 are Democrats”. What are you talking about, Eddie? There are only 5 city council members in San Juan Capistrano.

Put on your reading glasses Dave H. ORANGE County has 178 city council members within that county. San Juan Capistrano is a city in that county. Hell Dave I thought you knew it all so 19 Democrats don’t have much say on those city councils. By George is the one who claimed it was the fault of the Liberals and I showed that it was a heavily Republican area. Don’t worry Dave you weren’t the only one to go straight for the snippy remarks.

john__ these Progressive suckers are just trying to push the envelope as far as they can, before someone snaps___then they’ll blame it all on Right Wing Extremists!_-That’s why we gotta hold firm!

If they studied the Bible (honestly) they
would not believe it. The most bloody
killing book that I have ever read.
and at best they will only follow about
fifty percent of it.

Then you haven’t honestly studied it if you think that. If you are interested, I recommend the Rainbow Study Bible, it gives an overview of each “book” of which most are actually letters, of the bible so you have an idea of who wrote it, when and what was going on at the time. Context is important. Knowing the difference between history and the lessons of Jesus’s teaching are two difference things.

Knowing the context and people involved allows you to study further and then come to educated conclusions.

different things… clearly not enough coffee yet this morning.

To those who criticize Christianity and the Bible, let’s quote Albert Einstein:
“Condemnation without *investigation, is the height of ignorance”
*to which I would add THOROUGH

If this is the worst book you ever read (and I doubt that you read it through) then you certainly don’t read very much do you. Try reading it with your eyes and mind open. You might learn something. And from the sound of it, you do need to learn something.

45,

One can only understand the ‘Word of God’ in the Holy Bible with the help of the Holy Spirit… so in conclusion, Ray is not filled with the Spirit and Love of Jesus, the Christ, Son of the Lord God Almighty… thus his hate filled interpretation. But I believe you are right, he has probably not read and studied it all.

And by the way, Ray, ‘mankind’ is full of sin and if we were to write only the History of mankind throughout the ages… it, too, would be FULL of blood and killings… wars, battles, murders, rapes, Holocaust, shootings, rampages, bar fights, car accidents, Christian & Muslim & gang be-headings, backroom brawls, atomic bombs, bombings, 9/11… get the picture!

And the worst is yet to come… hold on to Jesus!

45caliber,
I put ray G. on the same level as a brainless troll!! you notice that after he was faced down, he didn’t return??

The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles.
Ayn Rand (1905 – 1982), Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, 1966

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

It’s apparent to me that you have not made an “honest” attempt at studying the most important book that mankind has ever received. This is not a book of killing, but if you truly understand its meaning you would know that it is a love story. It tells of a God that so loves you that he became a man and died for you. If you understood this book, you would know that it was given to us from a being that is outside of our ability to completely comprehend, outside of our space and time domain. This book will rescue you from a path that will send you to an eternity of suffering. You my friend need to take a closer look, and truly take an honest look for yourself, and don’t believe everything that this world tells you. Find out for yourself, its your eternity riding on the line.

To continue on the thoughts of “Bob from SoCal” The Bible is unique amongst all literature, because its the only book ever written that was not written by man, but by GOD himself. IITimothy 3-16: ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. I always find it interesting how easy and arrogent it is for some people to dismiss the only book ever written that has the ONLY solution to mans main delemma, which is his eternal soul. I can also know with certanty that if those who disput the writter as being GOD himself are calling GOD a lier. I feel VERY sorry for those when they stand before GOD at the judgement, will have their eyes opened for the first time, when it is revealed that the Bible is the owners manual for the human being and they could only go back to the time when they read this comment and could have chosen to receive the ONLY way to an eternal life with the Creator. John 3-16: For GOD so loved the world, that he gave his only Begotten SON, that who-so-ever believeth in me, should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Tim – What of the scribes who translated the original Greek? Translation of many Greek words is vry difficult. Meaning can be changed with vey little variation. What of the changes made by the Church? What of the pieces they left out (Gnostic Gospels) for fear the people could not be controlled should they heed them? How do you know how much was altered to suit the powers that be? There is a great deal no one knows and will never know about the Bible.

Karolyn, You have fallen into the Satanic trap of calling GOD a lier. Do you honestly believe that man is more powerful than GOD? Is GOD powerless to make sure that his Word would be preserved. I would encourage you to look sincerely at the history of the “King James Version of the Bible. It is the Bible interpretation that GOD preserved. Yes it is true that GOD has “allowed” man to create various versions of Scripture, and all of them are wrong in some ways, but PLEASE be careful, GOD is NOT subject to man, man is subject to GOD and will answer to him one day.

Perfectly said, Bob. Sorry about the comment about California but they sure seem to outnumber you there & the worst of the anti-Judeo/Christian seems to start there, especially the celebrities who have WAY TOO MUCH influence on our society today. May God Bless you for sticking with the Lord & defending him & his word. I let myself get too upset over today’s situation in this country. My minister calls me passionate, I fear at times it is just plain anger & I must fight it but at least I don’t fight it alone.

What in the world did Karolyn say that could be construed as calling GOD a liar? You need to reread her statement and then apologize.

Ray try reading the Koran.

Ray, you are correct about many killings due to religious beliefs. History shows most of the killings came from Christians more specifically Catholics, guided throughout history by the popes. You are wrong though about not being able to follow the bible. The House Of Yahweh teaches and follow all 613 Laws of Peace.

Ray, pardon me, but that is absurd. In the twentieth century, while we were beginning to tell ourselves that the Bible has no relevance in life, more people were slaughtered than in ever preceding century combined. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pol Pot. People often attribute Christianity and the Bible to wholesale slaughter but not one of these men was a Christian. An honest study of the Bible, even if it does not reveal God to you because you don’t want the revelation, will reveal to you one thing from which you cannot escape: Yourself.

Joe, Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin and many others were in fact catholic, so that makes them christian. All of these men were in fact of Hebrew descendants too. The christian religion came from the catholics under the council of Nicea 325 ace, under Constantine the emperor and pope. The catholics moved to Rome from israel, there they were known as pharasees. Read about Saul the disciple he was a pharasee and a Roman citizen who took orders to kill from the high priest, who were over the Roman soldiers. Get it! The truth at The House of Yahweh.

Joe, Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin and many others were in fact catholic, so that makes them christian. All of these men were in fact of Hebrew descendants too. The catholics moved to Rome from israel, there they were known as pharasees. Read about Saul the disciple he was a pharasee and a Roman citizen who took orders to kill from the high priest, who were over the Roman soldiers. Get it! The truth at The House of Yahweh.

Just because they called themselves Catholics, doesn’t make them true Christians.
Many of our mobsters of today think nothing of calling for someone’s murder, then going to “church” and donating money to supposedly cleanse their sins. They even delve into prostitution and drugs and call themselves Catholics/Christians.
It is odd how people will watch things in the movies or on TV that are really gory, but call the Bible a “bloody killing book”.

Ezek 12:2
Son of man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house.
KJV

You are so right, Jana. Not only Catholics, but many who identify themselves as Christians wouldn’t know the first thing about what Yeshua taught because it was never important to them. It’s like saying one is American. It doesn’t really mean anything other than what one was born into.

All of those mentioned were practitioners of the occult. If what is now being revealed is true, then occult has also infiltrated the Vatican. Being Christian is not about a label. It’s about a relationship. We may be able to fool some men, but we can never fool God.

Jana and Kate8,
You are right… Many call themselves ‘Christian’, but it is not about a ‘label’, but about a ‘Relationship’ an individual has with the Lord, and trusting in Jesus as your Lord and Savior, and submitting to the Will of God.

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” “Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evil doers?”
Matthew 7:21 and 23

“It is better to take refuge in the Lord, than to trust in man.”
Psalms 118:8 [This is the very Middle of the Bible]

There is POWER in a Relationship with the Lord God Almighty… that is what ‘they’ wish to destroy in the People.

Christin and Kate8,
Amen!

Read the bible Ray,it sounds like you haven’t read it yet, you try to
mix it up to your liking,try to read the last chapter “Revelations,”
we are close to the end times as we know it,the black horse is obummer
our first black president,it explains it in the last book (Revelations)
now we are even closer to the end they want to mix islam with the”Chris-
tians,so it will look like this: “Chrislam”this is bad for all who are
Christians,TBN has accepted it,watch the changing of America on a good
Christian channel,like Pastor Jack Van Impe,he tells the truth that’s
why he isn’t with the TBN channel anymore,watch Pastor Hagee,he explains where we are and what stage we are in,in real life,obummer wants to be the tyrant here in america,while his friends are helping to get rid of who they think are against islam (the muslim brotherhood)are taking out Syria,Lybia,Egypt and other arab countries,
like Saudi Arabia,they think are last to fall.

Ray: That’s not the point. Just as you have the freedom of speech to share your opinion, they have the right to assembly & right to worship. It is a sad day in the U.S.A. when we allow mosques to be built but a home Bible study! Pray, pray, pray!!!!!

correction: a home Bible study is fined & under scrutiny!

Hey Ray G. I guess, with your thinking the Bible is the most violent book ever written, that you haven’t happened to read the muslim koran, have you? Wow, the muslim’s koran calls for muslims today, yes today, to cut off non-muslims heads and all kinds of other despicable acts. And the concerning part is, today’s muslims are acting out according to the koran, their holy book. And they’re acting just like the founder of their muslim faith, muhammed, who was a filthy, murdering, pedophile who reveled in the blood of his thousands of victims. No, Ray, the Bible is NOT the most violent, blood soaked booked ever written. Not by a long shot. The muslim koran beats it hands down.

I would like to know just how the authorities found out there was a Bible Study going on in that house.
Is everyone in that town going to be scared out of their wits every time they have company? I think
San Juan Capistrano had better start concentrating what is going on and do something about it. What
about coffee clatches and sewing groups etc. What madness!

Good point seenenuff! Who are the worship police?

Only in California does this type of lunacy occur. Ever wonder why California is one of the few states with a tv commercial begging tourists to “come see kalifornia”?

How True How True…

Bob ” Calls It Like He Sees It ”

WoundedKnee… as in the massacre at Wounded Knee between the Lakota Sioux Native Americans in South Dakota and the Seventh Cavalry? Are you a descendant?

Christin, The Lakota Sioux were originally from Galalee Israel they came to what is now America becasue of religious persecution from the catholic church. The catholics have changed their name throughout history to confuse people. They were the Pharasiees in your bible. They are still at the heart of most of the persecution and wars today. The catholic church also changed the name of the creator and the messiah. You can find this in history under the council of Nicea 325 ACE, under the leadership of the emperor and pope Constantine. You get the name Jesus Christ from two gods, Zues and Kristna-Jesus Christ. The true name is Yahshua which is derived from Yahweh, the name of the creator. For the complete truth go to houseofyahweh.org. Peace

C Colin,

Thanks for that bit of info… will look on your listed site.

‘The Vatican’, I have learned, is used as the ‘Spiritual Machine’ for TPTB and it is not the Holy God they love.

C Colin,

Pharisees, huh?
It would appear to me that the ‘Pharisees’ (aka Catholics as you say) who thought they were above the Law (oh, gosh where have we heard this before) and even God Himself as they threw Jesus under the bus and tried time after time to ‘trick’ him (not understanding that HE IS GOD) and eventually conned Judas and his unbelieving heart to betray him and they stirred-up (sound like SEIU and unions) the public (Hebrews) to kill the ‘king of the Jews’… Jesus, in stead of Barabas, on the cross.

Yes, this kind of makes sense if the Pharisees of the Bible are TPTB today.

Well, if they could have Jesus killed what makes any of us think they would care anything about us.

Correct me If I’m wrong, but what this little town is doing is Breaking the Law (the Constitution),and it should be dealt with in that way.

Technically you are correct. However you must understand how our current government works (and it isn’t how we were taught). I am attaching a couple of video’s to help clarify the issue as well as a Link to teamlaw.org (go to the section [on the right hand side of the page] called “Historical Outline”).

(Part one)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USRtGgVNzYE

(Part two)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ_f7LHibNs&feature=related

http://teamlaw.org/

Knowledge is power.

The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.
John F. Kennedy

* s\Sorry, I meant to say Left side of page…fingers moving faster than brain this morning…COFFEE!….lol

Joe, How sad that no one whats to understand this, I have pointed this out now how many times and zip, nadda, nothing.

We don’t have a two party system its a “ONE” party system, why is that so hard for people to understand. We don’t have a Government we have a “Corporation.” How simple can it be?

As noted if the people of the United States want change or their Freedom’s they had better get off their fat lazy ass’s and get busy wakeing people up to everything this person has stated.
As what he has stated and I have been saying is the “ROOT” of the problem.

Plus when the south walked away they commited whats called a Con Con thus the Constitution was made Null & VOID.
Anyway Joe, Great post, have a super weekend.

Average Joe:

You did not do that. Your KEYBOARD did it.

Technically speaking, you are correct….but not without assistance from my hands and brain….lol

Bruce,

Unfortunately, too many people don’t understand the concept and as such…it eludes them. Some people “get it” and some don’t…some may eventually get it and unfortunately…the majority will never understand it. Then of course there are the ones that are so frightened that they won’t even look at it.

Historical Outline

1st: Martial Law is declared by President Lincoln on April 24th, 1863, with General Orders No. 100; under martial law authority, Congress and President Lincoln institute continuous martial law by ordering the states (people) either conscribe troops and or provide money in support of the North or be recognized as enemies of the nation; this martial law Act of Congress is still in effect today. This martial law authority gives the President (with or without Congress) the dictatorial authority to do anything that can be done by government in accord with the Constitution of the United States of America. This conscription act remains in effect to this very day and is the foundation of Presidential Executive Orders authority; it was magnified in 1917 with The Trading with the Enemy Act (Public Law 65-91, 65th Congress, Session I, Chapters 105, 106, October 6, 1917). and again in 1933 with the Emergency War Powers Act, which is ratified and enhanced almost every year to this date by Congress. Today these Acts address the people of the United States themselves as their enemy.

2nd: The District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 created a “municipal corporation” to govern the District of Columbia. Considering the fact that the municipal government itself was incorporated in 1808, an “Organic Act” (first Act) using the term “municipal corporation” in 1871 can only mean a private corporation owned by the municipality. Hereinafter we will call that private corporation, “Corp. U.S.” By consistent usage, Corp. U.S. trademarked the name, “United States Government” referring to themselves. The District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 places Congress in control (like a corporate board) and gives the purpose of the act to form a governing body over the municipality; this allowed Congress to direct the business needs of the government under the existent martial law and provided them with corporate abilities they would not otherwise have. This was done under the constitutional authority for Congress to pass any law within the ten mile square of the District of Columbia. Follow this link to see the effect of the District of Columbia Act of 1871.

3rd: In said Act, Corp. U.S. adopted their own constitution (United States Constitution), which was identical to the national Constitution (Constitution of the United States of America) except that it was missing the national constitution’s 13th Amendment and the national constitution’s 14th, 15th and 16th amendments are respectively numbered 13th, 14th and 15th amendments in the Corp. U.S. Constitution. At this point take special notice and remember this Corp. U.S. method of adopting their own Constitution, they will add to it in the same manner in 1913.

4th: Corp. U.S. began to generate debts via bonds etc., which came due in 1912, but they could not pay their debts so the 7 families that bought up the bonds demanded payment and Corp. U.S. could not pay. Said families settled the debt for the payments of all of Corp. U.S.’ assets and for all of the assets of the Treasury of the United States of America.

5th: As 1913 began, Corp. U.S. had no funds to carry out the necessary business needs of the government so they went to said families and asked if they could borrow some money. The families said no (Corp. U.S. had already demonstrated that they would not repay their debts in full). The families had foreseen this situation and had the year before finalized the creation of a private corporation of the name “Federal Reserve Bank”. Corp. U.S. formed a relationship with the Federal Reserve Bank whereby they could transact their business via note rather than with money. Notice that this relationship was one made between two private corporations and did not involve government; that is where most people error in understanding the Federal Reserve Bank system—again it has no government relation at all. The private contracts that set the whole system up even recognize that if anything therein proposed is found illegal or impossible to perform it is excluded from the agreements and the remaining elements remain in full force and effect.

6th: Almost simultaneously with the last fact (also in 1913), Corp. U.S. adopts (as if ratified) their own 16th amendment. Tax protesters challenge the IRS tax collection system based on this fact, however when we remember that Corp. U.S. originally created their constitution by simply drafting it and adopting it; there is no difference between that adoption and this—such is the nature of corporate enactments—when the corporate board (Congress) tells the secretary to enter the amendment as ratified (even thought the States had not ratified it) the Se3cretary was instructed that the Representatives word alone was sufficient for ratification. You must also note, this amendment has nothing to do with our nation, with our people or with our national Constitution, which already had its own 16th amendment. The Supreme Court (in BRUSHABER v. UNION PACIFIC R. CO., 240 U.S. 1 (1916)) ruled the 16th amendment did nothing that was not already done other than to make plain and clear the right of the United States (Corp. U.S.) to tax corporations and government employees. We agree, considering that they were created under the authority of Corp. U.S.

7th: Next (also 1913) Corp. U.S., through Congress, adopts (as if ratified) its 17th amendment. This amendment is not only not ratified, it is not constitutional; the nation’s Constitution forbids Congress from even discussing the matter of where Senators are elected, which is the subject matter of this amendment; therefore they cannot pass such and Act and then of their own volition, order it entered as ratified. According to the United States Supreme Court, for Congress to propose such an amendment they would first have to pass an amendment that gave them the authority to discuss the matter.

8th: Accordingly, in 1914, the Freshman class and all Senators that successfully ran for reelection in 1913 by popular vote were seated in Corp. U.S. Senate capacity only; their respective seats from their States remained vacant because neither the State Senates nor the State Governors appointed new Senators to replace them as is still required by the national Constitution for placement of a national Senator.

9th: In 1916, President Wilson is reelected by the Electoral College but their election is required to be confirmed by the constitutionally set Senate; where the new Corp. U.S. only Senators were allowed to participate in the Electoral College vote confirmation the only authority that could possibly have been used for electoral confirmation was corporate only. Therefore, President Wilson was not confirmed into office for his second term as President of the United States of America and was only seated in the Corp. U.S. Presidential capacity. Therefore the original jurisdiction government’s seats were vacated because the people didn’t seat any original jurisdiction government officers. It is important to note here that President Wilson retained his capacity as Commander in Chief of the military. Many people wonder about this fact imagining that such a capacity is bound to the President of the nation; however, When John Adams was President he assigned George Washington to the capacity of Commander in Chief of the military in preparation for an impending war with France. During this period, Mr. Adams became quite concerned because Mr. Washington became quite ill and passed on his acting military authority through his lead General Mr. Hamilton and Mr. Adams was concerned that if war did break out Mr. Hamilton would use that authority to create a military dictatorship of the nation. Mr. Adams averted the war through diplomacy and the title of Commander in Chief was returned to him.
(See: John Adams, by David McCullough, this book covers Mr. Adams concerns over this matter quite well. Mr. Adams was a fascinating man.)

10th: In 1917, Corp. U.S. enters W.W. I and passes their Trading with the Enemies Act.

11th: In 1933, Corp. U.S. is bankrupt, they force a banking holiday to exchange money backed Federal Reserve Notes with “legal tender” Federal Reserve Notes the Trading with the Enemies Act is adjusted to recognize the people of the United States as enemies of Corp. U.S.

12th: Some time after 1935, you ask Social Security Administration for a relationship with their program. With the express purpose of generating Beneficiary funds to United States General Trust Fund (GTF) the Social Security Administration creates an entity with a name (that sounds like your name but is spelled with all capital letters) and an account number (Social Security number). They give you the Social Security card and let you know that the card does not belong to you but you are to hold it for them until they want it back. If you are willing to accept that responsibility over the card you activate the card by signing it, which gives you the ability to act as the fiduciary for the cards actual owner Corp. U.S. and you can use the card’s name and number to thus transact business relations for the card’s actual owner. You are also to note that though the card verifies its agency (you as the single person with authority to control the entity so created) it is not for use as identification. On review: notice the Social Security Administration was the creator of the entity, they offered you the opportunity to serve its Trustee capacity (by lending it actual consciousness and physical capacity), they gave you something (the card) that does not belong to you to hold in trust and they reserved the actual owner of the thing (Corp. U.S.) as the beneficiary of the entity—by definition, this only describes the creation and existence of a Trust. More importantly: the name they gave this Trust is not your name, the number they gave the Trust is not your number and your lending actual consciousness and physical capacity to this Trust’s Trustee capacity does not limit you or your capacity to separately act in your natural sovereign capacity in any way—what you do, when you do it and how you do it is still totally up to you.

13th: In 1944, under the Bretton Woods Agreement, Corp. U.S. is quit claimed to the International Monetary Fund, and becomes a foreign controlled private corporation.

14th: In 1962, considering the states were forced to carry out their business dealings in terms of Federal Reserve Notes (foreign notes), which is forbidden in the national and State constitutions, out of the necessity the states began protecting themselves from the people by forming corporations like Corp. U.S. Accordingly, those newly formed corporate state administrations began adopting Corp. U.S. suggested uniform codes and licensing structures that allowed better and more powerful control over the people, which thing the original jurisdiction governments of this nation had no capacity to do. Our Constitutions secure that the governments do not govern the people rather they govern themselves in accord with the limits of Law. The people govern themselves. Such is the foundational nature of our Constitutional Republic.

15th: By 1971, every State government in the union of States had formed such private corporations (Corp. State), in accord with the IMF admonition, and the people ceased to seat original jurisdiction government officials in their State government seats.

Now, having stated these historical facts, we ask you not to believe us, but rather prove these facts for yourself. We then ask you to contact us and share your discovery with us.

When you find there is no error in this historical outline, then remember these simple facts and let no one dissuade you from the truth.

The Bottom Line: when you speak about these private foreign corporations remember that is what they are and stop calling them government.

Further, it is very important that we cease to attempt to fix them. It is far more important that we learn how to reseat our original jurisdiction government and spread the word about the truth. By reseating our State and national governments in their original jurisdiction nature, we gain the capacity to hold these private foreign corporations accountable. They owe us a lot of money, in fact they owe us more money than there is available in the world. In fact it is impossible for them to pay and that gives us the leverage we need to take back our nation and put things right. The process is a simple one. The difficulty is in getting our people to wake up to the truth. That’s why we ask you to prove the truth for yourself and contact us with your discovery.

That means that you must stop acting and communicating like you are anything other than the sovereign that God created you to be. And, stop referring to Corp. U.S. or the STATE OF ‘X’ as anything other than the private foreign corporations that they are. And, finally, stop listening to the Bigfoot Patriot Mythology that is espoused by those that only give these facts lip service.

It’s time to wake up and follow the truth, time to repent and become a moral and honorable society instead of lauding our Piety while we stand guilty of:
a) not knowing the truth;
b) not living the truth;
c) believing God will save us even though we have the tools to know the truth the ability to use the tools but we refuse to live by the truth and use the tools we have to save ourselves and thereby become free.

The biggest problem with that they get all excited about uniting against the tyranny of Corp. U.S. is that they are blind to the truth having no remedy so they bail out of “the system” hell bent for a rebellion even the scripture says cannot be won with conventional weapons of war. Would that we could instead follow the admonition of the King of Kings and unite with truth to legally, lawfully and peacefully reseat our original jurisdiction government thereby taking back the control our nation in accord with law.

Yes they are breaking the law.

What right does a city official have to tell you what you and your neighbors can do you your own homes? What you want to read is up to you! They are in their own homes. It is private property. This is not an issue of so-called “Separation of church and state”.

Would the city officials dare fine them for this “crime” of practicing their free exercise of religion,see the 1st Amendment to the Constitution a.k.a. the Bill of Rights, if they were Moslem?!

This is an unjust law! Created to harass and discriminate against Bible beliving people. It is in essence a hate crime and should be exposed and dealt with by challenging its Constitutionality.

You are not wrong sir. The tyrants in Capistrano need to be exposed for what they are. All Christians and patriots in this country need to stand up against this abuse, before there are no rights left to take.

The “No Bible Study Laws” is just that, a law albeit a local law. I’m an atheist but I do believe this is an unconstitutional law. Just as I believe that Obamacare is also unconstitutional law. However, who believes that it is OK to ignore a law that you think is unconstitutional? By the way, that is what the Obama Administration is doing. The law should be challenged in court. That is the way the law says that it is supposed to work.

Anyone think differently?

DonnieB: Agree with you to a point because we are to obey the laws of our country, the Bible says. However, God’s law is over ANY other law & must be obeyed first. We are to gather together, worship him & spread the Gospel. If we let those kind of laws stop us, God’s word would never be spread around the world in countries where it is unlawful. Many people are dying because they are embracing God’s word & becoming a Christian in spite of their countries laws & the threat of death to them from even their own families or the threat to their families. God says, “Where 2 or more are together in his name, he will be there.”

DonnieB:

As I understand it they are challenging the law in court.

And they should indeed continue meeting to obey God’s Law which trumps man’s law anytime.

It is NO ONES business – not man, not some dirt-bag politician – what they do on their own property or in their own home as long as it does not interfer with a neighbor’s use of their property.

Constitution PatriotII??

We essentially no longer have a Constitution.

You have that right “Patriot 11″,let’s nip it in the butt before it gets
any bigger,like we should do with obummer,they are building mosques up
here in “Alaska” also,not only in New York where the twin towers used to be,it’s people like kissinger that are turning America on it’s head,his
time has passed,he is still trying control things.
He’s done for he has one foot in the grave,he’s part of the group that
wants only 500some thousand to be alive it’s a more manageable number for them the socialist party, Reid,Pelosi,schummer of new york,the clintons,etc., do you get it yet?

Why do they have a problem with this? If they can let the queers do things in their houses, then why can’t they let people gather to study the Bible? Studying and following the Bible helps get you into heaven, but the queers only get to feel the flames. This is a black eye on this nation to support a perverted lifestyle, but try to destroy our Christian founding and beliefs. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

Ooorraahhhhh Samuri.

samurai, “Hear, Hear!”

Maybe they are Moslems who created that ordinance. Many Moslems certainly dont believe in freedom of religion execept their own. At any rate they dont get it. This is America.

Gloria,

Maybe the City leaders are Godless Progressives (aka Communists, Socialists, Fascist, Marxist, or Islam) and they wish weaken us by getting rid of our freedom to worship of the True Living Lord that gives us power and life… so that the people will forget and not get saved (born again and have life eternal) and will be open to worship their fake messiah… and go to Hell with satan.

Great response and I cannot agree more. It seems many in this country forget what our country is supposed to stand for, and I might add that the Government plays a role in some of the misunderstandings. Our country is still Christian, but if you are not that is ok, just don’t infringe upon Christian beliefs and right to assembly and worship in any way they choose, whether home or at the lake. It is absolutely none of local or national Govts business.

The US is a majority Christian nation but not a Christian Nation. If you would prefer to argue with Thomas Jefferson on that point, you would look foolish.

I would hope that the Constitution would be followed in this case and these people be left alone. Even if I disagree with their message.

I have no reason to look foolish as you may say, I excluded one word by mistake, majority, so sue me

Oakley Mann,
Even so, Thomas Jefferson signed many of his documents “In the year of our Lord Christ”.

If he said that today, he would be tarred and feathered.

One example: . . . signed by Thomas Jefferson on September 24, 1807. This document is permission for a ship called the Herschel to proceed on its journey to the port of London. The interesting characteristic of this document is the use of the phrase “in the year of our Lord Christ.” Many official documents say “in the year of our Lord,” but we have found very few that include the word “Christ.” However, this is the explicitly Christian language that President Thomas Jefferson chose to use in official public presidential documents.

And NO, I am not Catholic, I am a Born again Christian.

This went to the wrong spot. It should go above.

Jana – It was a geneally accepted term to use. Even though Jefferson was not a believer in all that the Bible says, he would still use that term, as did everyone else.

Karolyn,
Many official documents say “in the year of our Lord,” but we have found very few that include the word “Christ.” However, this is the explicitly Christian language that President Thomas Jefferson chose to use in official public presidential documents.

Excellent point by point rebuttal to Mr. Wright’s nearly incoherent “reasoning” that is obviously based in liberal left wing foolishness. Thanks Charlie.

I’m with you here! I’m a vet who GLADLY served America for the privilege of bringing up my family here but somehow in the People’s Republic Of California they’ve forgotten our Constitution. It’s simple; if you don’t like it, don’t participate but if they’re not clogging the streets with traffic or going door to door (like Girl Scouts..do they bother THEIR meetings too?) then leave them alone. I’m not a Christian but come to Arizona and try that and you’re in for a fight! I hope these folks bring the “Gimme” Civil Rights case against this podunk bunch of self-important buffoons and the municipality they represent.

RE: Charlie Tall

You are quoting the U.S. Constitution, which is Federal. This city ordinance isn’t a federal zoning code, it’s a county/city ordinance under the jurisdiction of the State of California–state, not federal.

So, how about finding the city ordinance and quoting that? I’m certain you will find that it has nothing to do with religious gatherings. Rather, with the number of people meeting on a frequently scheduled basis in a high-density residential area. The permit that they needed to obtain–again has nothing to do with religion–gives the city an opportunity to determine whether such regularly scheduled bi-weekly meetings of 50 people could cause traffic congestion, fire hazards, problems for emergency vehicle access, etc. The one-time fee would have paid for the inspector’s time. And if this couple has been as thoughtful of their neighbors as they say, causing none of the above problems, the permit would have been issued. End of story–no fines. No lawsuits. No problem.

http://tinyurl.com/3dmgtpf

P.S.

Amendment 10 – Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

In other words, as mentioned above, the county/city ordinance is, according to Amendment 10 of the Constitution, under the jurisdiction State of California.

Hey Charlie,remind me to not get on your bad side.

Charlie Tall You sure know what you are talking about!! Wonder if Bill understands it?

White Tiger, I heard on the news that they were having meetings twice a week with over 50 people each time. The news also said that the city said if they continue to have these bible studies, they need to pay for an environmental, traffic, and parking studies. If they are having over 50 people attending, parking and traffic do need to be addressed, overwise, who cares what they do.

You are correct in that the city SHOULD lose if this goes to court but don’t forget this is in southern CA, a bastion of left wing politically correct idiocy and too many decisions coming from their courts reflect that attitude toward our Constitution.

Lynn:

It is easier to stop Bible study groups – they don’t shoot back!

Another point to consider is that the Bible Study group is not giving large kick backs to the police and politicians to let them run their illegal businesses. If the Christians were giving kick backs to the city council there probably would not be any problem with the gatherings.

afd….,
Exactly WHAT is ILLEGAL about it?? If, In fact, they did not go after each and every weekly football party, card game, barb-b-que, what have you, it IS unconstitutional as the law MUST be afforded EQUALLY!!

Joe H. I was not referring to the gathering as being illegal. I was referring to the drug dealers, meth labs, illegal gambling, prostitution, etc. that give big bribes to the police and politicians to ensure they are not harassed or busted. This is a prime example of our corrupt political system at work.

DonS Well said!!!

It is ashame that you chose a fundemental truth of GOD’s word, to prove an otherwise valid point. Yes, true, Born Again Chistians have fallen into the Satanic trap of accepting materialism and therefor have lost the desire to defend America’s ideals and take a stand. But the Rapture explained in the Bible WILL take place BEFORE the Great Tribulation, for one major truth. Who is the Prince of this world?, Satan. What is the only representation of GOD in this world, runned by Satan: the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit lives where? In the hearts of those that have received him. The Bible is very clear that the Holy Spirit must be removed in order for the Anti-Christ to deceive the world. There can not be any influence of good on this earth, otherwise, there would be those that would not be so willing to believe in the deception. It also will reveal the utter depravity of man, that hates the GOD of the Bible, and THINKS that he is finally free of religion. GOD is also very clear in Scripture that the Born Again Christian will not suffer the consequences of the tribulation. Read and believe!!!!!

Tim – I agree. There are many allusions in both the OT and NT to the effect that the Faithful will not endure the Great Tribulation, that God’s People are “not appointed to wrath”. It clearly states that the Terrible Day of the Lord is to be poured out on those who rebel against God, and that it is a Day of Salvation and Redemption for His people.

It also states that we should “pray that we and our families be found worthy to escape the wrath to come”. Why would God say this unless He has provided escape?

I could list passage after passage which makes this point clear. If one doesn’t see this, he is not reading very closely.

My friend, please read the 24 chapter of Matthew 29th & 30th verses.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30th verse:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
I really wish you were correct but we have to take what the bible says and it very clearly says immediately after the tribulation. There is a difference in the tribulation and the wrath of God. We sure
don’t want to be here when that takes place.

I just can’t wait to be here a couple of years from now to hear you still saying the same old thing. It’s coming! “The end is near!” Will you be the least bit embarrassed when it doesn’t happen?

Karolyn, Again your unbelief in GOD’s word reveals its TRUTH. PLEASE read II Peter 3:3&4 Knowing this first, that scoffers will come in the last days walking according to their own lusts, saying, Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation. Continuing in verse 9: For the LORD is not slack concerning HIS promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us [you], not willing that any [you] should perish but that all [you] should come to repentance. For the day of the LORD will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away. Karolyn, Please continue to read: Matthew 24 verses 3-14, Matthew 24 verses 29-31, Mark 13 verses 3-13, Mark 13 verses 24-27, Luke 21 verses 7-19, and Luke 21 verses 25-28, these verses spoken by JESUS himself that describes the condition of this world at the time of his second coming. The world condition today is fast becoming the truth of these verses, more so than at any time in human history. You know something else that really proves the validity of the Bible? What is the only religon today that is being persecuted. Christianity. You know what makes TRUE christianity the only true religon, ALL religons are based on works. What can I do, or what do I have to do, to get to heaven? The “loving” GOD would not send me, a nice person that lived his life the best I could, to HELL. WRONG!!!! TRUE Biblical Christianity is the only faith that says that it is what GOD did for us [you] that allows us access to heaven. Unless you can live a perfect sinless life, which no one is capable of doing, then only the ONE who did live the perfect life has the power to forgive us [you] of your sin, JESUS CHRIST the GOD/man. I pray that you might find the way to the truth so that you can enjoy the fact that no matter how bad the situation in this world becomes, that there is no fear to those who have trusted in JESUS CHRIST for their salvation.

Tim Orner –Well said but I really doubt that Karolyn understands any of it–Keep spreading the word Tim!!

Karolyn,

You keep ‘waiting’ and laughing while you can, but in a few years we won’t be here for you to see… as we, ‘The Believers’ in Jesus Christ, will be Raptured and in Paradise in Heaven with our Lord while you are Left Behind in this miserable Freedomless World where evil reigns. All God’s people and all God’s love, power and presence will be gone. The world will be left in devastation ruled by the false-prophet,the anti-Christ and the Beast(satan) who will rule the unGodly.

Good luck with that.

The more people satan can keep from hearing the TRUTH about the saving Grace of Jesus Christ in The Word in the Bible and keep from praying to the Lord God Almighty… the better for him (satan) as he can take more to eternal damnation with him… and it won’t be pretty. Certainly not peaceful and filled with love as God has removed all that He IS from Hell.

God is LIFE, LOVE, HOPE, TRUTH, and The WAY… and he gives us Free Will… and so much more.

We all have a right to our choice of religion. I chose to believe in Mother Earth. You chose to believe in God, and read the bible. I say good for you for believing in your faith, and I respect you for it. I do not knock, insult or bad mouth your faith, so I ask that you please do the same, and do not knock, insult or bad mouth my faith. Again I ask, please respect me for believing in my faith like I respect you for believing in yours.

Christin – It seems to me I have heard from more Biblically knoledgeable people than me that there is nothing in the Bible about a Rapture.

Karolyn, I Thessalonians 4 – 13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so GOD will bring with Him, those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of GOD. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up [raptured] together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Yes the Bible does teach the rapture of the church of Born Again Christians. But, you must be born again to inherit the kingdom of GOD. Being religeous, being a good person, attending church, will not get you into heaven. Trusting in Jesus Christ ALONE, for his death on the cross, his ressurection from the dead conquering sin, death, and hell, is the only way to see eternal life. Put your trust in the one that made you and loves you enough so that death does not have to be feared.

Tim – I respect your beliefs, but I’ve been there…done that. Too many holes in the story for me. I have found more love and truth in believing in a Universal Intelligence that encompasses all. No such thing as hell and satan. Life on earth is the closest we get to a hell. Death is just a wink of an eye; and we’re free to exist in total peace in the universe or come back if we wish.

karolyn,
do all here a favor and go preach your hindi/bhudist crap somewhere else!! That dog don’t hunt!!

tsk, tsk, Joe, such intolerance.

karolyn, I respect your belief as well. I guess I just don’t understand the “to many holes”. This life is so simple its scary. GOD never wanted it any other way. Life according to GOD: 1: GOD makes man. 2: Man is given a choice to exersize his free will, by either obeying GOD, or disobeying HIM. 3. Man choses to disobey GOD and suffers the consequences, which is physical and spiritual death. 4: GOD provides a sacrifice, himself, to restore the broken relationship that GOD wants to have with man, and provides a life free from death. 5: Man once again has the opportunity to exersize his free will, by either accepting the sacrifice, and gaining eternal life, or reject the gift of life and suffer the original punishment, death appart fom the GOD that loves you. I’m sorry but I don’t see any holes in this narrative. I don’t know how GOD could have made mans restoration to him any simpler. I would encourage you to consider reading the gospel of John in a King James version of the Bible. It will in a loving way introduce you to the GOD that not only made you, but also loves you enough to die for you, so that you can spend eternity with him.

but, Tim, why an all-loving, all-encompassing, all-knowing God want to subject his beings to anything other than love? Those who do not follow the Truth of love are not happy, though they might look that way. They suffer in hell every day for their actions. why would a God subject his people to tests? For an all-powerful being, why would that be necessary? What of all the religions that do not believe in the bible. They are to suffer because they were born into cultures not exposed to the bible? I have heard that the rapture won’t occur until every person on earth has been exposed to the Bible. Well, that certainly hasn’t happened yet and I don’t think it ever will happen. There are still undiscovered Indians living in the Amazon! There are too many questions. I could go on for a while here, but I do have other things to do.

Karolyn, The miss understanding that you have of GOD, is that he never intended for man to fall into sin. Mans free will to “choose” wrong or right , and the decision made by man to chose wrong has placed him in the delemma he had been in since the beginning of time. Your real question is: Why would a loving GOD allow all of the suffering? He only allows it because man chose to rebel against GOD. That is why, immediately after Adam and Eve sinned, GOD sacrificed an animal and took its skin and covered them. This is a picture of the fact that there can be no forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood, that covers the sin. GOD also immediately promised that he himself would one day come to this earth, being fully GOD and fully man, for the sole purpose of laying down his own life, taking and committing all of the sin of the world, past, present, and future, so that man could be restored back to himself. I frankly don’t know of a greater love then this. I understand that evil is SO dificult to comprehend, but it was our choice, not GOD’s Also understand, and I realize that even the idea of there being a hell is so difficult, that yes there is a hell, and sadly many people are going there, but uunderstand that GOD DID NOT create hell for humans. It was created long before man sinned for the devil and his demons. Hell only became a reality for us when we chose to rebel. Maybe another question to contimplate: So why doesn’t GOD just forgive everyone and have all humans go to heaven? He HAS!!!! But again, understand that GOD is not going to violate mans free will to choose. Because the sacrifice for sin has been made by Jesus Christ laying down his life, we are now left with the choice of accepting or rejecting the “FREE” gift of salvation. This is why I said in a previous comment, that true Biblical Christianity is the only true religon. Because eternal life is NOT determined by what I do, [good works] but has been determined by what Jesus has already done. You know why Catholosizm does not want you read your Bible? Because you would or might, learn that there is so much deception built into the catholic faith about mediation, pergatory, [nowhere to be found even in the catholic Bible], or the personal relationship that you need to have with Jesus, not the priest. It is not at all surprising to me that you lost faith. Your conscience which GOD gave to you, was telling you that something just isn’t right. PLEASE, PLEASE, get a King James version of the Holy Bible, and read the Gospel of John, the 4th book in the new testament. You will be introduced to the GOD that hates the suffering that man puts himself through, and therefore provided the solution so that one day, maybe very soon, you can live an eternity with GOD where there will be no more sin, and the utopia all of us desire will be a reality for eternity. GOD bless you Karolyn, I pray that the Holy Spirit will open your spiritual eyes and you can then accept and receive LIFE!!!!!!

karolyn,
you make a very common mistake. you blame god for all mans sin. you sound just like the man who said “God why during all my trials and hard times were there only one set of foot prints?” god answered him,” My son, that was when I CARRIED you!” Man has the choice to live a riteous life or a sinful life, HE makes the choice, not God! God gives them the choice!!!! All he has to do is trust in the Lord God!!

Steve, This is about meeting codes,Really?.. that’s what the heads want you to believe!__Every time they do something like this more and more of Freedoms are chipped away!…If not now ..when?

Come on, Angel. Why make this about religion? If these people are using their home as a church, then they have to abide by the rules. Of course, this is a perfect scenario for all of the Christian martyrs to beat their breasts about. I seriously doubt that if they were having a couple of friends over once a week for Bible study nobody would give a crap!

What people choose to do in the privacy of their own home as long as it does not involve criminal activity is nobodies business. These people were not causing a noise problem, a traffic problem, or destroying any property. Therefore they have a right under The Constitution of the United States to gather as many times as they want at their house to conduct Bible Study, Church, or any other activity they choose and the city/county/state/FED has no right or authority to stop them. They could hold a bible study (or any other legal activity) every two hours of the day every day and as long as they did not cause a noise or traffic problem it is their right to do so or are you one of the people who do not believe in our freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution.

Karolyn, I guess I’ve made this about religion because it just so happens to be what the article is about___

Dear Karolyn,

I must say, bless your heart. You are as a blade of grass, buffeted by the wind. Your tune changes as the day goes on. Have you no foundation?

Best wishes,
Bob

karolyn___ ya better get with it girl these people were reading the bible__THE BIBLE, are ya gettin this?___Then on the other HAND, where’s the authorities when peoplelike the man in this video, are calling for an up rise and creating a crisis like the link below…WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY, WHO PAID THEM OFF TO TURN AWAY?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/we-are-heroes-who-need-to-create-a-crisis-seiu-stephen-lerner-at-progressive-summit-tells-unions-community-organizers-and-students-they-need-to-escalate-protests-break-laws-occupy-abandon-houses/

Some reason:
http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/21/san-juan-capistrano-fines-fami

From the article — “The city attorney says the meetings have attracted “up to 50 people.” He claims the meetings are held Sunday mornings and Thursday afternoons, which would mean gross revenue of $1,000 a week for a city …”
It always comes back to money, doesn’t it? The Government Gang is hungry. If we don’t feed them, they get mad.

If they having a Tupperware party or Avon in their house, would you want to fine them for using their home for commercial transactions.After all it is a home,not a store and they have no license for commercial activity.

DaveH, 50/100 people, would they crash it if it was a simple cook out someone had everyweek or family gatherings?___ my Dad had very LARGE FAMILY 7 brothers and sisters, and 8 step brothers and sisters_____

stating the obvious it’s always about money, but they lie and say its too protect us!__One they get you
to “buy” the license, and two they get to tell you whether or not your “PERMITTED” to DO it!

Bob L. – I guess you don’t get my point. When I initially read the article, I assumed it was a couple of people getting together for a simple Bible study. However, the more I read, the more I could see where large groups of people meeting at someone’s house on Sunday mornings could be construed as a church and so would be subject to any rules the town might have concerning such gatherings. I am not a Christian; however, I do support peoples’ rights to pray, have no problem with the 10 commandments, etc. I am certainly not anti-Christian (though many are anti my beliefs!) The point is that the city, whether fair or right or wrong, may have a leg to stand on. the law is the law. I am not saying I agree with it.

John – If someone had a tupperware party at their house every week with 50 people in attendance, that would certainly be classified as a business; and if it were in a residential area with no business variance, they would be subject to the law of that town. This is way old news. Where I live, they are somewhat lenient; however, more populated areas are more heavily regulated.

karolyn,
As i stated above, if the city hasn’t gone after every WEEKLY football party, card game, WHAT HAVE YOU, then The city is acting illegally as the law MUST BE APPLIED EQUALLY!!!

Please see my comments above to Charlie Tall:
September 23, 2011 at 1:37 pm

You can choose to be paranoid about freedoms being chipped away, if you wish… that’s your prerogative. We live in a society of a few hundred million people, under the Rule of Law, to assure a fair, orderly, or systematic set of rules that applies to everyone. We have laws, ordinances and codes to ensure the safety, freedoms, and rights for all citizens, “to promote the general welfare”, not just for those who want to do it their way. If you disagree with a law, our system of law provides methods for (you) to challenge that law and potentially change it. And that’s how We The People work towards forming “a more perfect union” (for all citizens).

The couple at the center of this issue could have saved themselves legal costs and a lot of hassle just by having a clue about their city’s requirements. Is it so onerous to make sure those 50 people meeting twice per week don’t interfere with anyone else’s needs, for example, like too many parked cars blocking emergency vehicle access to the neighbor down the street who just had a heart attack? Do you think your rights are chipped a because you are required to stop at a red light? Because you are required to get a marriage license? And so on…. ?

You’re absolutely right Steve. But if it were Muslims, I kinda think everybody would be applauding the law.

Karolyn – Now, I must admit that I am not comfortable with Muslims gathering to study their religion in my town, but then, I’m not comfortable with Muslims being in America, either.

I don’t know of any Christian Bible studies where they advocate overthrowing our nation and instituting a rigid theocracy where you convert or lose your head. I don’t know of any Christians who would gather to plan setting off a nuke in a city, or just bombing a shopping mall (or church).

Yet, this is something that could likely be going on in every mosque, never mind home studies. Muslims are a threat. Christians are not.

Even given this fact, Muslims’ right to gather and “study their religion” is protected, whether I am comfortable with it or not.

Kate – Surely you are aware that most ordinary, everyday, American Muslims are not followers of the extremists. Maybe they don’t follow the Koran to the letter, but they still consider themselves Muslims. they feel that the basic teaching of the Koran is to be of help to others. They don’t beat their wives. They have jobs and live within the law. They love their families and want the best for them. they love this country, especially those born here. Why does everyone look at the bad ones and not the good? The good outweigh the bad.

Karolyn,
Many are good, but many are bad too. How can we tell the differnce when we know that they practice taquiyah law which is to tell the infidel what they want to hear and then turn on them at the right time?

Jana – Exactly. If these are the things which Islam teaches as doctrine, then all who profess this religion must be held suspect.

We must remember, as you said, that Muslims are obliged to deceive and cheat the infidel. It is even considered a sign of cleverness. This religion is based on things that our Scriptures tell us are wrong and immoral. In fact, we are instructed to treat others exactly as we would have them treat us.

Is this really the mindset we want living among us? Not me. If this is what Islam teaches and stands for, then it can only be evil, and nothing that comes of evil bears anything but rotten fruit.

Steve Heitmann,
If street parking is permitted, then how are they breaking the law there? Street parking is on a first come, first served basis!

Yes, I agree with you Steve Heitmann. You can always have too much of a good thing. Doing things in very carefully measured moderation and just plain good old fashioned common sense along with making sure to consider the thoughts and the needs and the Constitutional Rights of your neighbors to be able to Live in peace and quiet are all things that all people must consider and think about including any people who wish to worship any religion in their own peaceful way. Allowing 50 people to meet at one single home twice a week does “appear” to be bordering on pushing things to an extreme level instead of doing things in moderation like perhaps allowing 25 people to meet at a single home on one day a week or on one evening a week. Common sense and considering the neigbors’ right to be able to Live in peace and quiet must also be considered. But to be officially and legally accused of being a criminal because you have 10 or 15 people meeting at the same home on two separate days or on two separate evenings every week can also be considered very extreme and abusive and probably an infringement and a violation of the homeowner’s Constitutional Rights who has invited the 10 or 15 people to meet at that homeowner’s house. Well, common sense should always prevail, however, sometimes common sense is just ignored on too many different occasions.

It seems to me that there are a couple issues with even citing the number of people drawn to the meetings as reason to shut them down. (That is assuming that CBS is accurately reporting that the meetings draw as many as 50 people, and I’d barely trust CBS to accurately report the current weather.)

One, there is the matter that, if the article is accurate in its presentation, if the ‘regular gatherings’ had been for purposes of tupperware, pampered chef, tastefully simple, football games, cookouts, card parties, etc, they would have been totally fine, even if they did regularly draw 50 or 100 participants. Once the ordinance crossed to specifically slapped limits only on religious meetings and left all other gatherings unhindered, they violated several Constitutional restrictions on government. (This is true even though the first amendment only specifies limits upon Federal government.)

Two, there is the question of the neighbors. If the article’s reporting is accurate, then none of this couple’s neighbors have any problems with these gatherings, nor have the gatherings caused any issues with the local traffic/parking environment. Restricting such gatherings makes sense IF it is causing serious neighborhood problems or road and traffic issues. (There are places that certainly could not handle the increase from 20 or 30 or 50 people on a regular bases, but in that case, no kind of regular gatherings should be allowed no matter the purpose. One must, of course, make exception for the occasional gathering, like an Open House, birthday party, etc.) The neighbors have no problems with this couple holding regular Bible studies, so one must wonder about the local government’s prohibiting them, even if such a prohibition WERE legal, which it isn’t.

Also, they live in a semi rural area aand have a little over an acre of land. so obviously since as they said traffic is not an issue, and the cars are parking on private property, what is the problem here?