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The Revenge Of The HillBillies?

September 20, 2011 by  

The Revenge Of The HillBillies?

Early in 2009, I started writing about the possibility of the HillBillies — the world’s first and only two-for-the-price-of-one political combo — challenging Barack Obama once it became obvious to a majority of the anesthetized public that the would-be emperor had no clothes.

Don’t get me wrong. BHO has accomplished almost everything I expected of him: universal healthcare; a trillion-dollar stimulus giveaway; debt-ceiling increases that have brought the United States ever-closer to default; business-crushing regulations intended to bring the private sector to its knees; encouraging union thugs to engage in violent uprisings from coast to coast; appointing far-left radicals to important positions in the White House; sending a thumbs up to the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and the PLO, while constantly chastising Israel. There’s no need to go on, as your own list is probably longer than mine.

But now Chairman Obama is in danger of stumbling before he can carry the ball across the left goal line and declare victory over America. Witness the humiliating Democratic defeats in Nevada and New York City’s District 9. The Solyndra scandal is threatening to spin out of control. Obama refuses to utter a word about Jimmy Hoffa’s introducing him at a union event in Detroit by saying, “Let’s take these (Tea Party) sons of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong.” The list goes on. The next thing you know, the world may even find out that Laura Ingraham was right about the White House garden being just another example of Obama razzle-dazzle.

As James Carville said in his recent warning to Democrats, “It’s time to panic.” And that, I think, is where Obama’s weakness lies. When panic sets in, he comes across as a frustrated, tantrum-throwing child; and each time he does, it awakens another batch of “independents” from their “yes we can” coma. To put it mildly, it’s childish to go on tour and shout “Pass this bill” to audiences of college kids, but when you yell it out more than 100 times in a week, it’s beyond childish; it’s pathetic.

Enter the HillBillies — and, yes, when you buy one, you do get the other one for free. It’s getting late in the campaign game and, granted, it’s a tough decision for them to make, but they have to do it relatively soon if they really want to have the opportunity to finish trashing the White House (i.e., when they move out for the second time).

If Hillary announces, it will be one of the biggest bombshells in modern political history. It will also tear the Democratic Party apart. Nevertheless, I believe she would beat the current White House Grand Mufti rather handily.

Why? Because there are enough rational Democrats out there who know that not only is their party going to lose the White House in 2012, they also are in danger of losing their own seats. That creates a strong motivation to distance themselves from Obama and fall in line behind savior Hillary.

Now for the bad news: If Hillary did secure the Democratic nomination, she would probably beat either Rick Perry or Mitt Romney in a landslide. Like Obama in his stealth 2008 campaign, she now has most of the public completely fooled. The majority of Americans no longer see her as a radical 60s hippie who came to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue focused on implementing her own version of universal healthcare but, rather, as a moderate, well-meaning liberal.

They forget that she’s the sweet little gal who once said, in a campaign speech, that she would take $5 billion from oil companies — that’s right, take it (as in, force) and use it for whatever. And if she can take money that belongs to oil companies, she certainly can take it from you.

The public has already forgotten her abstract progressive rants about “environmental rights,” “I can create shared prosperity,” and “It takes a village.” Hillary would still move to the left if she got into office, but slower and smarter than the current Emergency-in-Chief. She may not have gone to a church for 20 years where the pastor shouted such goodies as “G__ damn America” week in and week out, but she is a dyed-in-the-wool believer in the collective over the individual.

That said, I hasten to add that she is also something else: totally amoral. Hillary and hubby have clearly demonstrated that they will do anything, anytime, anywhere, to anybody if it’s in their best interest.

A lot has happened in the movie-like saga of the HillBillies over the past decade, not the least of which is the discovery of how nice the payoff can be when you succeed in the capitalist system — in fact, more than $100 million worth of nice.

On the road to weaving hippie values into government at the highest levels, the Clintons found that wealth and prestige are not all that hard to get used to. Hobnobbing with the rich and famous among Washington’s elite and on New York’s Upper East Side is something one learns to tolerate, even if he or she starts out as a genuine flower child.

What I’m saying here is that when push comes to shove, Hillary’s ego and materialistic instincts might just win out over her desire to be a model “new American progressive.” After all, that “shared prosperity” schmaltz is really just for the dolts who are looking for more government handouts. I’ve always believed that, behind the flowery phrases, Hillary actually harbors an enormous contempt for the lower echelons of society.

What I’m talking about here is a $3 million wedding for daughter Chelsea, $250,000 speaking fees as far as the eye can see and invitations to royal dinners as a normal way of life. Speaking of $250,000 speeches, you and I may have thought that we’d never live to see it, but the fact is that Hubby Bubby, the first of two world-class bull slingers from Hope, Ark., is now the face of the Democratic Party.

People have short memories. They’ve apparently convinced themselves that his cigar tricks in the Oval Office were nothing more than a collective aberration. Groper Bill is now a revered elderly statesman. Like it or not, he and Hillary have morphed into an elite establishment couple.

All this means that if Hillary does challenge Obama and ends up back in the White House, she might just drop the “taking from the oil companies” blather and posit herself as the great middle-of-the-road state capitalist. Sort of a female version of John McCain or Orrin Hatch.

Sure, the U.S. will still eventually go under, because neither the mathematical realities nor the entitlements that drive them can be overcome by anyone — especially a politician. But if businesses are fooled by Hillary into believing otherwise, the free market is so robust that entrepreneurial activity could postpone the inevitable for another couple of decades.

That’s important, because in a couple of decades the world will look much different than it does today. Depending on how things unfold with the Tea Party, we might even have a civil war that ends with the good guys winning. Or perhaps there will be some other solution — preferably one in which government is relegated to a minor role in society — that we can’t see from our present vantage point.

The Marxist crowd knew from the moment they gained control of both houses of Congress and the White House that they were unlikely to get another opportunity to finish the job if they didn’t move quickly. That’s why the left’s leading nut case, Paul Krugman, recently said, “I’m trying to make this progressive moment in American history a success.”

Ironically, it was none other than James Carville (the guy who now is warning the Dems that it’s time to panic) who predicted after the Democrats won it all in 2008 that the Democratic Party would rule for 40 years. For a long time, I thought he would have to eat his words, but if Hillary challenges Obama for the Democratic nomination, he might just turn out to be a prophet — albeit via a route he probably didn’t think possible.

Having said all this, for those of us who are still intent on resisting a left-wing police state in America, I think we would be wise to be careful what we wish for. Obama can be beaten, but probably not Hillary.

Robert Ringer

Robert Ringer

is a New York Times #1 bestselling author and host of the highly acclaimed Liberty Education Interview Series, which features interviews with top political, economic, and social leaders. He has appeared on Fox News, Fox Business, The Tonight Show, Today, The Dennis Miller Show, Good Morning America, The Lars Larson Show, ABC Nightline, and The Charlie Rose Show, and has been the subject of feature articles in such major publications as Time, People, The Wall Street Journal, Fortune, Barron's, and The New York Times. To sign up for his one-of-a-kind, pro-liberty e-letter, A Voice of Sanity, Click Here.

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  • Henry Ledbetter

    The Lord instructs us to pray for His Kingdom to come and His will be done on earth as it is in heaven. I much prefer His Kingdom rather than being a subject of Hillary in this one. Besides that, His kingdom will last 1,000 years on this earth and those of us who know Him as our savior, will rule and reign with Him. Choose this day whom you will serve and be subject to. I made my choice March 7, 1970; regardless of what happens, my eternity is sure and I fellowship each day with THE COMING KING.

    • Angel Wannabe

      “Hear, Hear”, Henry Ledbetter!

  • JoDe

    This is what I predict will happen. As the 2012 election approaches more and more countries will begin to default (or be on the verge). As the global economic implications of this start to set in, a leader will be chosen who, it appears can rise as “the phoenix emerging from the ashes” and Obama will be “the chosen one”. How could he turn down such an honor/privelege, and the ability to force his “leadership skills” on the entire world. So, of course, he will step aside to rise to this more important role for “the common good” of the entire world. Paving the way for Hillary to step in and assume the role she has envisioned for herself from the beginning. God help us all ! But I really believe that this is how it will come down.

  • joe

    You put up Romney and Perry like they would be much better than Clinton or Obama…or that they will surely win the nomination…besides Rasmussen, Gallup and television polls, they loose badly (except the most recent townhall Perry won) to Ron Paul, Michelle Bachmen and, even Sarah Palin. YOU say one politician can’t fix all of this, but you are again wrong, ONE politician wants to get governemnt out of people’s lives, and their campaign and polling is consistantly high (unlike Perry who will fizzle out the more he debates)…But you also have to realize this has been the plan B all along, Obuma and Clinton met at Bilderburg to tell them Obama would majorly make things worse by continuing Bush policy and adding his crappy health-care,and expected a backlash, hilary would marginilize the destruction, and just in case Romney would be projected by the media to make sure forced health insurance (and the coup de grace to medicine) would not faulter, along with more wars in the middle east to make sure they are a radicalized super-stae, like the Euro-union, the coming African union and the stalled-out American union(see SPP if you don’t believe me)…I really don’t appreciate your “resistance is futile” and stupid left/right finger pointing either, don’t forget who got this poo-ball rolling: ALL of the last presidents till maybe Ike or Jack. Big governement police staism is not limited to one side of the false paradigm. WELFARE-WARFARE CANDIDATES

  • Insurgent

    Black trash, white trash——————–all these nutcases are the same!!!

  • Joanne

    Excellent article. I sure hope no more hillbillies crawl out of the woodwork,but then there is never 100% of anything is there? I don’t think we have had an honest election count for many many years. Money talks, ignorance walks.

  • argoman

    I think Robert Ringer is very close to the truth, and possibly the Dem’s only chance. they would keep most of the minority votes and the left very happy. ‘Bamma knows he’s a one termer, so he’ll take his big severance pay check and drop out. i predicted a landslide victory for the republicans against ‘Bamma, but i’d be afraid, very afraid, if Billary runs.

    • theodorej

      Fear Not !!!! The genie is out of the bottle,unless the Dems can get this economy off its butt,it will be a slaughter in 2012… Hillary will only add to the conviction that libralism is on the run…It would behoove the American people to return to what made this country great… HARD WORK,INTEGRITY and RESPONSABILITY coupled with a sense of rightousness and gratitude toward the the HIGHER AUTHORITY that so blessed this nation…we know him as GOD…

      • Angel Wannabe

        theodorej, Agreed!

  • Robert A Hirschmann

    In 2009 I wrote a a blog that I thought was tongue in cheek humor. Little did I know that it would be seriously considered.

    HOW TO FIX THE ECONOMY

    Saturday, September 12, 2009, 6:26:45 AM
    This is easy. All you have to do is give the billionaires a few more gazillion dollars or so and tell them to spend it and that will stimulate the economy. Of course you will have to increase the taxes on the poor unwashed masses a few thousand percent to pay for it but you have to take the good with the bad. That way we can get rid of a whole class of people. We would only have the rich and the poor. No more middle class. Wouldn’t that be great? And when we help the poor to die out by taking away food stamps, social security, health care and welfare we will only have one class. Everybody would be rich! Now isn’t that the Utopia that everybody is shooting for? Of course it is!

    Now I want everybody to write a letter to their congressmen to draft up a bill and let’s get this plan moving. Come on, START WRITING!!! Of course there will be a few dissenters as there always is when somebody comes up with a good idea. Well, that’s the way it goes sometimes. You just can’t please everyone. Hey! I don’t see anyone writing out there. Come on, get off your duff an start scribbling. It would be unAmerican to not want to get this country running smoothly again. After all, isn’t that what we were put on this earth for? Our congress will listen to everybody that backs this movement because they are used to giving to the rich. They do it all the time.

    • theodorej

      ARE YOU SERIOUS ??? There is absolutely no benefit to empowering the poor or the idiots that think that any one who contributes nothing should have a say in the disbursment of the fruits of hardworking people… The problem is we cannot tell the diference between the poor and the lazy so we pay them all …along with the frauds and slicks that feed on our welfare system… Any one who espouses this kind of class warfare has an agenda that is not in keeping with the american way….. wallow in your freedom of expression but you are the problem not the solution…

      • Angel Wannabe

        theodorj, I couldn’t have said it better!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Angel Wannabe,
        come on!!! Let’s let them have a littlemore of our hard earned money!!! Then, after awhile, we can be in the same boat as them!! course, then there will be nobody to give to US!!!

      • Angel Wannabe

        joeH, I’ll let’em have a lIl’ more money, and then help them shove it where the sun doesn’t shine, the idiots! :)

      • mark

        We live under a government of the rich Wall Street pigs, by the rich Wall Street pigs, and for the rich Wall Street pigs. And now they even have millions of ordinary Americans to demonstrate in their behalf- the Tea Party! What a sweet set-up. No wonder they are all laughing themselves sick in their luxury homes and resorts. Now the suckers do their fighting for them!

      • theodorej

        Mark …..Wall street is us …. GREED,SELFISHNESS,GLUTONY,JEALOUSY and as you might or might not know there are three more dispicable attributes that make up the nature of what we have become as a nation… The TEA Party are group of folks that just starting to wake up and my prayer is it is not to late…

      • S.C. Murf

        You are one jealous puppy mark. Didn’t your welfare check make it on time this month?

        up the hill
        airborne

      • http://?? Joe H.

        S.C.Murf,
        Naw, he’s just mad he didn’t get a nice, big, fat, COLA!!! He thinks he deserves one more than those that worked all their life and are now on social security!!

      • Robert A Hirschmann

        No I wasn’t serious! It was written as a joke! If you will read it again you might understand that!

  • theodorej

    The nomination is Hillarys’ for the taking…. and here is why…She knows that BHO is a fraud and his credentials are seriously flawed and replete with inconsistancies…. Why would Hillary offer BHO the VP spot during a primary race that she was clearly losing unless she had some info that could blow him out of the water,namely his birth certificate…. What the Clintonisters didn’t expect was the insulence coupled with unmitigated gaul and arrogance that came with BHOs refusal and subsequent laughter in their faces…Revenge is best served cold and all those lefties on both sides of the aisle circled the wagons on this issue and with the help of the media smoothered it…BHO will do a Lyndon Johnson and refuse his parties nomination(and I might add not voluntarirly)

    • Randy Huffey

      You are a smart man or else you have been reading my postings!

      • theodorej

        Randy if we are on the same page it is only because we have been imparted with the same word of knowledge…. I have not had the opportunity to read any of your posts in the past …. but Iam sure I will find them interesting all though somewhat redundant..

  • Klaus

    Hillary would be worse than Obama, because she is a Marxist, and is one hell of a lot smarter than Obama. What a sad situation we are looking at.

    • Joanne

      Bill, Hillary, Bush & Obama all take orders from the same group, the One World Order. You people have the internet..check them out no excuse for voting blind these days. If you insist on voting blind check out your future home, view the FEMA Camps.

    • JeffH

      Klaus, in case your’re not aware…Obama is as much or more of a Marxist than Hillary is. But you’re right, Hillary is a Marxist too, a much more saavy Marxist than the community organizer in chief could ever be.

  • mark

    Another ludicrous article about something that will NEVER happen. Why do people waste their time with this?

    • ValDM

      If it’s such a waste of time, why are you here? Getting paid for making ridiculous comments?

      • FreedomFighter

        I think he is a Soros paid Lucy Tare also.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

    • Dan az

      Mark
      I can see why your so scared,it would not only split the vote but it would insure the RP would win by a land slide!!!!To bad troll have a nice day! :)

      • mark

        More likely Ron Paul will run as an independent on the Libertarian ticket, split the vote by pulling 10% away from Perry or Romney and ensure a close win by Obama. This would be a tragedy and is much more likely to happen than Hilary challenging Obama in the democratic primaries. That is a complete right-wing pipe dream

      • DaveH

        What is it about Libertarians that scares you, Mark?
        It couldn’t be that we don’t want to be the World’s Policemen or build Empires?
        It couldn’t be that we would allow you to poison yourself as you please?
        It couldn’t be that we would allow you to gamble your fortune away or sleep with prostitutes?
        Just what is it that you don’t like about Libertarians? Oh yeah, we wouldn’t allow you to ride on the unwilling shoulders of others after you foolishly squandered your life away. That’s a big problem isn’t it, for you wanna-be slaveholders?

    • CJ

      “Another ludicrous article about something that will NEVER happen. Why do people waste their time with this?” Hmmmm, well, life is full of examples of, “it will NEVER happen,” actually happening and ignoring a possibility doesn’t serve any purpose, but bringing matters to light can be beneficial. Ergo, many people who currently see Hillary as the lesser of two evils might reconsider after reading articles like this one, and that could have a huge impact on the future of our nation. In light of this possibility, this matter is certainly well-worth discussing. Hillary and her ilk want government to dictate the needs of the individual. They want to take us back to what is tantamount to a feudalistic society – one in which the ordinary person has very few rights. This is the very thing that our founders tried to put an end to when they declared our independence from the English monarchy and established the Constitution. What rational American would want to live under such as system if they really understood what they’d be giving up?! Only the very rich, very lazy, very corrupt, or very ignorant could stomach a lifestyle so unjust and demeaning. The only thing ludicrous to me is that someone would state that something can NEVER happen and that discussing a possibility is a waste of time. Perhaps you’ll understand when they take away your freedom of speech. Oh wait, that could never happen…

  • SarahP-2012

    Best Idea I’ve Heard Yet:
    Sarah Palin updating her political affiliation to democxxx, and running in the 2012 primary.
    it would DEFINATELY keep the press busy (ALL OF IT)…

  • nw

    Trailer trash! Let’s not forget Vince Foster and the over 30 people on their hit list who’ve committed suicide by homicide.

    • mark

      Right 30 dead under Clinton versus the 200,000 human beings Bush and Cheney killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      • Bob G

        And the proud people with blue thumbs? Jesus died for your sins and the American military dies for the freedom and happiness of suppressed people. We didn’t steal their oil and we don’t run their country. Dictators and despots do that. Get you head on straight.

      • mark

        Jesus didn’t die for my sins. He was killed by the military. The Roman military. And like militaries everywhere all they do is kill, while talking about freedom and how they are helping everyone. But what they really do in the vast majority of cases, is kill other human beings.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Mark, you are a wolf carrying on that there are Sheepdogs(US Military)around.

      • DaveH

        And if we let the Liberal Socialists take our country any further to the left it will be repeated in our own country. As have gone the Socialist purges throughout history.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Yes Mark, He did die for your sins. And the military didnt kill him, you and I did with our sins. You can blame the Romans, and you can blame the Jewish leaders, and you can blame Judas Iscariot, or whomever you want. When the facts are, man disobeyed God, ate from the tree of life, the one thing we were told not to do, and sin entered the world. And when sin entered, death entered. Jesus defeated death and offers us life by believing in Him. And yes, I know this for a fact, because I took that step of faith, and something happened mark. I remember often reading and hearing about having eyes but not seeing, and having ears but not hearing, and about having your eyes and ears opened. When I took that step, and told Him I needed Him in my life, I found out what that meant, as my eyes and ears were opened, and now I see things much, much clearer and hear things I didnt before. Its all anew is all I can say. Yet, I still remain a lowly sinner, and always will be my friend, as long as I wear this flesh on my bones here on the earth. But there is more, so much more. And dont be so quick to demonize the military. Without them, you might very well be at the end of whip from some Arab right now, or be on a chopping block with a sword coming down on your neck. It is this very military you demonize that is saving you from this, and God willing, they will always be there for us. Just food for thought.

      • denniso

        How did Jesus die for your sins,when you weren’t even close to being born? Looks like you’re a little mixed up on how time and events flow. If I’m not mistaken,Jesus may have lived 2000 yrs ago and you were born maybe 70 yrs ago…do you need help w/ the math?

      • Angel Wannabe

        I have to hand it to you mark, you sheep followed the Alinsky smear tactics to a “T”! When Soro’s started his quest to smear Bush, just to make a virtual unknown Senator, (who’s only experience was a Community organizer, a Columbia University Marxist Graduate and a Senator for 151 days), look like he was a proverbial God, Congrats, you get a Gold Star on the chalk board today! :)

      • Dan az

        Angel
        I think it would be great that she ran against him,talk about splitting the votes.The poor sheep will never make up their minds which marxist they would prefer to have as a dictator.The one that has no clue or the one that was giving the orders to bubba to kill 80 men women and children of a church in waco,with illegal poison gas and burning the bodies to hide what they had done.Yes I can see why they would have a hard time making up their minds.Either way I see Ron Paul as a third party coming out on top.Go billary!!!

      • Angel Wannabe

        Dan Az, I thought that perhaps a third party may be in order for the future, but its too late to get it organized enough to be a part of 2012 election.
        Both sides left and right are so badly skewed, ya can’t tell them apart.Quite Frankly I beleive, If Soros buys the Bamster another term, we are a goner!

      • Dan az

        Angel
        He will pull out so she would take his votes and backers.He knows that he has lost any hope that the people haven’t figured out that when his cuts start showing up and they will all be in bread lines along with the middle class,He needs to leave quickly.And billarys health plan being obumers will put her on the chopping block instead of him.Sense it was her’s to begin with.The third party being RP as a republican that could run as a libertarian if need be makes sense,because no matter what the GOP will never consider him even if he won by a land slide.Its just not gunna happen!Perks are perks and they are not going to give them up.Either way I always felt that billary would run at the last moment and that would split the vote not only with the blacks but the illegals would also vote for her because of NAFTA being their pet project that set the stage for all of them in the first place.I feel now that RP will win because of this strategy.And you can see it right here with the libs and progs today!

      • JeffH

        Brother Dan, I’m not so sure Soros is behind Barry anymore…he’s never been afraid to hedge his bets. Afterall, he did dump Hillary for Barry once he realized Hillary couldn’t win the nomination. Besides, he’s still got the Dems and all of his organizations to carry on his agenda…Barry is just the figurehead…as they all have been.

        Don’t look for Hillary to openly seek the nomination, she’s too smart for that. The Dems will have to beg her to oppose Obama and then she would accept, but she’s not going to crawl…that would have a negative effect. :)

      • Dan az

        Brother Jeff
        I don’t know when I look at the picture of both them at the top it says to me that bubba is suggesting getting kinky in the old room in the White House and the look on her face says it all! ;) :)

      • JeffH

        Brother Dan, Hillary is so much more manly than Bill…maybe Bill’s into some man love now!

      • Dan az

        :)
        I guess the cigar trick works both ways! :)

      • No hope for America

        Maybe George Sorros should be taken out of the equasion. It could be the first action in the revolution that would be the only thing that would bring America back

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So it was all right for the 30 to die by Clinton’s decree.

      • S.C. Murf

        Bushes was war and Clinton’s was cover-up

        up the hill
        airborne

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Dude, are you serious? Do you know how many people Clinton killed in Sarajevo, innocent people, when he went about lobbing bombs aimlessly in there, aiding in their ethnic cleansing? Get real. His and Hillarys murder list is higher than 30. Come on man, you know better than that.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    To me the clintons are white trash not an elite couple and a couple of crooks.

  • Janice Fortin

    The Hill and the Bill, together Hillbillies – very cute but not very accurate. When you think of 2 for the price of one……whoa….that is one heavy price to pay! No bargain. Hillcare and NAFTA BILL – neither were for Americans. uh uh and just remember who was the official of the USA who broadcasted in a foreign country that her president was bringing AZ to COURT…..this before AMERICA was informed. So we don’t need hillcare of the NAFTbill …..and that doesn’t even touch the blatant immoral scandals president bill shrugged off as one of his benefits. NO CLINTONS IN OUR WHITE HOUSE.
    It was rumored hill was retiring due to ill health. Or was it just panic that wikkileake would leak something very unAmerican old hill said? Notice: she flew over there in sheer panic. something to hide from us citizens? Bill not for USA UH UH. Never been. Ck out his role in the housing flop. The American Dream – pul-lease. We Americans have worked mighty hard to realize even a portion of it and we’re not spreading the wealth to those who won’t fight for their own country.THE GUMBALL PRESENTATION would stop immigration in its tracks by all who see that wonderful demonstration. Revenge? First the revenge of the blacks, then the hillbillies? COME. FOLLOW ME. AMERICA DESERVES A LEADER WITHOUT “REVENGE”. bOTH OF THOSE PARTIES GOT MORE FROM AMERICA THAN IT EVER EVER EVER GAVE! OUT THE DOOR.
    2012: APPRECIATE AMERICA YEAR

  • Angel Wannabe

    Not a fan of either of the Clintons!__

    I’m under the impression that “middle-of-road” or “Centrists” were the ones to watch carefully. They claim being a moderate, but swiftly move left when the election is over and are far more dangerous hiding behind the name, than the openly leftists._
    I complained the other day about campaigning on special interest groups. With that said, and at the risk of sounding hypocritcal, I believe if Hillary ran she’d garner the sympathy female vote, simply because she seems to have over come, Billy Boys cigar scandel with Lewinski while in the White House. She’d run on strength and the ability to overcome.
    I agree with Gayle above, that she is definately in lock step with Obama and will finish the destruction of the US that Obama started.

    • JeffH

      :) They’re just wolves in sheeps clothing right now…waiting for the right moment to strike.

    • S.C. Murf

      The Clinton’s are immoral murders, bottom line. We don’t need more of the same bull$hit we’ve been handed for years

      up the hill
      airborne

  • Samantha

    It is very doubtful that Hillary will run against Obama. She has said many times that she has no interest in running, and I take her at her word. However, I wish she would. I am terribly disappointed in Obama. I expected strong leadership qualities from him, and instead we got a weak President who does not have the qualities to fight the Republicans. Bush destroyed our country and now Obama has weakened it even more. Sadly he inherited massive problems incurred by the Bush Administration, but also sadly, he lacked the leadership qualities to put the economy back on the right track. Unless we get very strong democratic candidate to run against Obama, there is no way I would vote for a Republican. They are the most destructive bunch of idiots and they would destroy the middle class even more than they have already been destroyed. I am vothing every Republican out of office with my vote in 2012, I hope Hillary runs, but if not, I would still vote for Obama.

    • Bob G

      Lordy, Lordy. You people just can’t shake that “It’s Bush’s fault syndrome.”

      • Al Sieber

        Yeah, they have to blame it on someone.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Al Sieber,
        She thinks her vote is pretty powerful, too!!! She’s going to vote all of the repubs out of office with HER vote??? Dam man we need her on our side!! with her on our side, Ron Paul would be a shoo-in!!!

      • denniso

        Samantha…I agree w/ much of what you wrote,but we sane people need to cut Obama a little slack. I am disappointed in many things he’s done or not done,but nevertheless he looks like a genius statesman compared to Bush,who will go down in history as one of the worst presidents ever. Obama inherited the worst recession ever that could have been a terrible depression,and has a republican opposition that literally only cares about regaining power,and has put that single goal ahead of the welfare of the entire country…except for the interests of big biz and the oil/gas/military industries. Obama has been the subject of the most outrageous lies and smear campaigns maybe ever in our history,and that does have an effect in the real world of politics and what he can do. Probably the most important thing Obama has done was to appoint 2 smart and progressive women to the Supreme Court,and we still need him there for the next 4 yrs in case there are more appointments to be made.
        He also did save the country and the world from a total economic meltdown and depression that would have made this difficult time look like a picnic. He’s done several other things as well,though on a smaller level. The Repub campaign of lies and smears began before he even took office,and his support began crumbling early,partly because of it. W/o full support to hold off the stupid strategy of the rightwingers,he becomes weaker and then can do less…not to mention that the Repubs have made it clear they will do nothing to help the country if there’s a chance it could help Obama. He came into the worst political and economic situation ever in our history,w/ a party determined to destroy him even at the cost of the country,and still he’s had some accomplishments. The repubs stick w/ their leaders through thick and thin,remember the crimes of Nixon,Reagan,Bush,yet we sane people can be too demanding of our better leaders and pull support,opening up the possiblity of getting people like Bush or Pery or Palin in office. Please reconsider your disappointment in Obama and try to see the good he’s done. I know you’ll

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Its cause he started that illegal war in Iraq that all the democrats voted for, and then he took all their oil.

      • Thinking About

        While we are in the blame game let us blame the democrats for the Iraq war (even though Republicians was in control of Congress) this was a war of choice made by Bush. Congress as a whole has to accept responsibility perhaps responding in a high emotional time and believing the lies being presented. Maybe we can also blame decisions on Republicians nominating GWB and for those who voted for him. We are in deep need of working together to and making this nation great again and the direction currently being taken by Obama administration and Congress is destruction. The path being promoted in post is not the right direction and will not happen.

      • http://deleted Claire

        Hil;lary voted for the Iraqi war and Obama voted against it. What a web they weave. What a web the Dems and the Repubs have spun.

    • S.C. Murf

      Hey Sam first off I think you made a wrong turn this morning, secondly its time to make that popping sound

      up the hill
      airborne

      • Al Sieber

        Right on Murf!!

      • Old Henry

        Al, when I read your post I felt like I had a speech impedemant.

      • Old Henry

        S.C. Murf:

        LOL!

    • don the canuck

      Amazing how in the U.S., everything is about splitting the people into two parties. All I evber see is Reps bithcing at Dems, and Dems bitching at Reps, while in Washington, both parties are talking about how well their golf game went. Does anyone really think these guys do not talk to each other while they find new ways to bilk the American public out of their money? At what point does the American populace wakre up and start thinking about changing the “5 monkeys” (look it up) once and for all?

      Stop fighting each other and start realizing that both parties are wrong. Think about it………these are your best and brightest and they cannot even balance a budget? You allow them to take away your rights and liberties and you all spend your time fighting each other instead of fighting them?

      I guess the real problem is indeed not the politicians,but more so the people. No one to blame but yourselves. you have a document that was specifically written to protect you from these guys, and here you are voting for people who stomp all over that document and then tell you that it is for your own good.

      Talk about gullible………..wow. I ceertainly hope that my American friends wake up soon and take their country back, but that will never happen until they realize that they have to stick together instead of fighting each other. America was not built on handouts, or social programs. It was built on blood sweat and tears. Everyone got lazy all of a sudden? Well, if this continues, y’all better start learning Mandarin, cause you are going to need it. The Chinese are doing the blood sweat and tears now. Too bad. Two dogs fighting, and a third runs away with the bone. Not a good feeling when you see your neighbours to the South in this predicament. Not a good feeling at all.

      • Ormore

        don, I am an American, and you couldn’t have said it better. Divide and conquer has worked since the beginning of time to take over countries. I think both parties are right or their both wrong, but if they were to work together, they would probably find out that they have more in common than they think which is supposed to be for the good of the American people. But, from what I’m seeing, in congress and by what’s written above, maybe they aren’t even in congress for the good of the American people. Ya THINK? DUH! I, for one, would love to see the American people, as one, kick this entire govt out of Wash D.C. and never allow any of them to run for a public office again, anywhere, any time, any place.

    • Old Henry

      If she doesn’t run Samantha the Dykes on Bikes are gonna riot and tazer us all with their vibrators…

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Hey Samantha, how did Bush destroy our country. Seems he took us out of a major recession, had the economy running good, until his last year when everyone know Obummer was coming in. Under him jobs were at an alltime high, unemployment was at an all time low, and the stock market was at an all time high. He left office with a 4.6 percent unemployment rate, and Obama has spiked that to a reported 10 percent, yet we all know its more closer to 12 to 15 percent. Obama has illegally started a third war, while losing his direction in the other two, has lost millions of jobs, and has spent us into oblivion, with nothing to show for it but more debt. And yet, you can spin this into blaming it on Bush???? Simply amazing Samantha. How do you sleep at night? Doesnt the lying bother you at all? Wow!

      • denniso

        We had a minor recession in Bush’s first yr,not a major one. Bush didn’t have the brains to look into the CIA report handed off to Condi Rice from the Clinton administration,’bin Ladden plans to strike inide the U.S.’

        Bush doubled our debt by starting two wars that he didn’t finish,giving millionaires a tax break,and pushing through the Medicare drug plan unpaid for. Bush was a virtual idiot and did nothing right. People and the press gave him several yrs of a pass because of 9/11,when they should have hounded him out of office.

  • Sabulaman

    Clinton’s, Bush’s, 40 and 50 year congressman, it’s like kings and queens of the past. Let’s rid ourselves of this chrony insestual royalty. We need new blood.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    There is no way in hell the democrats will make Obama step aside to run Hillary, because if they do this, they will lose the black vote, and they wont do anything to damage their masquerade of being the black mans friend, allthough they have never done anything for the black population. In fact, it seems they are the very guys that want to keep giving them these little hand outs to keep them down and “in their place” as they call it. They are the black populations worse enemy, but they for some reason have not realized this yet. But I would guarantee you, that if Obama had white skin, they would most likely already have announced he isnt seeking re-election. But they will not do anything to damage their “high” standing with the black voting base out there. And Obama is to arrogant and prideful to even think about stepping aside. I just dont see it happening. And also I might add, I believe America knows who Hillary Clinton is by now and the more and more that is getting exposed about the damning things Bill did to this country, would keep Americans from ever electing her as president. Maybe I just have more faith in the American public, as I think Obama has opened up eyes and revealed the democratic left for who they really are, and America doesnt like it one bit.

    • Captain Mike

      What Demos will not risk is loosing the White House. If it looks bad, OHB can “take the high road” and decline to run – why should he risk it? He can play the victim, then high-tail it to the leftist elite with his pension, expenses, Secret Service, etc for life. SPeaking fees and book deals out the wazoo. Leading the Progressive Left World Governmen(UN). OH, and what about his campaign warchest? He can’t spend it personally, but he can dole out millions every year for the rest of his life to leftist politicians buying him influence beyond comare. And the giant sucking sound will be the CLintons getting drawn into the vacuum. Who else could get organized quickly enough? It’s a real nightmare. If OHB gets beaten in an open election, it will be ugly. The left has learned well. They will take their winnings from this wrecking ball and opt for gradualism, not confrontation. We will all be assimilated – resistance is futile.

    • Randy Huffey

      WRONG Beberoni!
      The democrats will gladly throw (about 1/2) of the black vote “under the buss” in exchange for the independent vote they would gain! At least 1/2 the blacks will still vote democratic with the Soros/democratic machine hauling them to the polls!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You think if they run Hillary they will get the Independant vote? I dont really think so. I do think the independant vote that goes to the Libertarians will take away from the Republican vote, maybe giving the democrats a win, but I dont think the independant vote will go to any democrat. People have seen what they are about, as Obama has exposed them. I really dont think people like what they see in them, and they connect Hillary to him.

      • Randy Huffey

        Independents like Hillary, she just polled as the “most respected” politician in america getting about a 65% approval rating. Scary?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Yes sir, that is one of the scariest things Ive ever heard. Hillary Clinton respected? How does that happen?

    • WaChar

      O’ will develop an “illness” and “have to step down for medical purposes”. Believe it.
      O’ will continue on his progressive ‘Destroy America’ agenda and so when Billery steps into office, ALL she will have to do is NOT revoke any of the Great O’s work.
      This is the perfect solution to the replacement of O’ and will destroy America just as fast as if he was still in office.
      Watch the next 11 months at what O’ does with Executive orders and having his czars continue in destructive policies.
      America either wins in 2012 or we fade into the death of such as Rome, Greece, etc. Rome’s catch words at the end was “Food and Circus”…does anyone else see any current similarities?
      ( say…foodstamps and “Reality TV”?)

      • hawkeye

        The elite and NWO people believe that the calendar and time ends on December 21, 2012 so they are trying to implement all their Agendas such as Agenda 21, and more before then. Also, they are trying to move as fast as they can to kill us off with all these swell sounding puffy words they use such as “sustainable”, etc. Here is a nice entry to check—->http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases Do Not Go Along With What They Are Doing,As Things Only Work Upon Agreement….There Are Way More Of Us Than There Are Of “Them”! We The People Against The NWO Elite Will Persist, And We Will Succeed!

      • Old Henry

        hawkeye:

        denniso says the NWO does not exist and ifn he says so, it is so.

        All is well. Breath deep. Sleep tight.

    • Vagabond

      Beberoni I too used to gave more faith in the Americanpeople. and I still do. the problem is.we have far too many none Americans voting now. wittness the last election,

    • Old Henry

      Beberoni:

      Here is a thought. It appears that the Solyndra “issue” is going to blow up in Little Barry’s lap. Could that be the dems way out? He may still insist on running, but when, ah, “the lay of the land” is ‘splained to him and then he wets the Telepromter and then steps aside.

      Whatcha think?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I think Barry is so arrogant, that if his party asked him to step aside, he would go on TV and tell it to American to exhonerate him and play the victim. After all, that is part of being a democrat, making yourself a victim. This is what they teach their followers, that your a victim. This is what I think could possible happen.

    • DaveH

      Good post, Beberoni. I agree. I think it’s going to be a long time before the people can trust the Dems again, and certainly the idea of them trusting Hillary (given her history) isn’t likely.

    • steve in AZ

      beberoni, seems like you forgot slick willie WAS our first black president? ;)

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Thats how trashy he is, that he thinks because he likes the saxaphone that he is black. What a leper.

  • Shan

    The so called “HillBillies” were not the first “two for the price of one political combo.” Ma and Pa Ferguson were the first. When James Ferguson was impeached as the governor of Texas in 1917 and declared ineligible to run for office in Texas again, his wife, Miriam A. “Ma” Ferguson ran under the ticket of “two governors for the price of one” quite openly. She was the first female governor of Texas.

    • jbird

      Same thing with George and Lurleen Wallace in Alabama in the 60s.

    • Old Henry

      Good history lesson Shan. Thank you.

  • Wolff Bachner

    let us not forget while Israel is being shredded this week at the UN thanks to Obama, Hillary will be meeting with the OIC (Organization of Islamic cooperation) to try to find a way to push their “don’t criticize Islam” law through the UN despite the first amendment in the USA. She is ever the absolute trator and shill for Islam.

    • mark

      Don’t give one more red cent of American taxpayer money to Israel the most prosperous country in the Middle East.

      • Deep Sea

        Mark: And not one red cent to any other country in the world, either. End ALL foreign aid, end these interventionist foreign wars, bring ALL our sons and daughters home, and close ALL our imperial overseas military bases. Put our soldiers on OUR border to defend America from invasion.
        There’s bridges and roads in this country that need repair, why are we sending soldiers to blow up, then rebuild bridges in Iraq? Why are we still footing the bill for the defence of Europe and Japan? And while I’m on a rant, let’s terminate our membership in the UN and kick everyone of them out, quit NATO, and End The Federal Reserve Bankster scam while we’re at it. Way to go Mark, I knew you libs would come around some day!! Ron Paul 2012!

      • Al Sieber

        Deep Sea, I’ll second that.

      • AnhydrousBob

        Yay, Mark, I second Deep Sea

      • Old Henry

        Hey folks. It’s mark (small m) Mark (bigM)is on our side.

      • Buddy

        Hear, hear!

      • Vagabond

        Deep Sea. finaly. someone came up with a damned good post. I agree with you 150%,

      • Old Henry

        Yep Deep SEa, borrow BILLIONS from communists to give it away so our grandkids can bbe taxed into oblivion to pay it back.

        You are sooo CORRECT!

        Sent the UN to Peking.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        OH,
        And let THEM pay 60% Of their yearly operating costs!!!

      • JeffH

        Hear Hear!

      • http://Personalliberty Tony

        To Deep Sea:
        Right on bro!! Excellent post, we as a nation need to work on our infrastructure. Not only our roads plus bridges also our mass transportation. If the Chinese can have high speed rail in their
        countryside and light rail even in their small towns then we as a nation can do the same. So, again, great post.
        Next to the person who says that the U.S. is going against Isreal need to brush up on reading. The U.S. is one of very few nations that
        are taking Isreal’s side when coming to authorizing a Palestianian state. Get the facts straight.
        Finally, when coming to Hitlery Sillary Thunder thighs as president,
        forget about it. If you’ll think it’s bad under Obama, if she got in
        power you would see anything yet. For example, in her regime, websites
        such as this one would be outlawed. Therefore, be grateful with what we have right now. Thanks!!

      • DaveH

        Deep Sea,
        “why are we sending soldiers to blow up, then rebuild bridges in Iraq?”

        Because that’s the only thing that Government does well — destroying wealth.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Mark.. You are so wrong. We need to stand firm with Israel. We will need Israel to defend us, not the other way around. We are allies and we should remain allies.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Robin, Hear Hear!__ If Israel Falls, America falls!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Amen brother. Those of us who know Him, know this to be true. Genesis 12:3

      • mark

        Israel is the WORST ally America has ever had. They have turned the whole Arab World against us with their constant land stealing at the point of a gun and their illegal occupation of other people’s homes. I am deeply ashamed as an American that my country supports Israel. One of the main reasons we are paying $3.60 a gallon for gasoline is Israel. Our mindless 100% support for them led to OPEC and Arab oil blackmail we face everyday.

      • SunnieD

        … and what planet did you fall from?? Obviously, your view of current events (never mind history! is more than a little skewed! It’s been the Middle East that has been on the attack – and has been for centuries! Wake up and/or pull your head out so that you can see the facts as they stand!

      • FreedomFighter

        Islam converts or kills, it is the religion of hate. They enslave and mutilate there women, they are constantly killing christians and others that dont convert.

        You cant read a current paper or news outlet that does not have story of some Islamic bombing, killing or maiming someone.

        They dont even like dogs, mankinds best friend, they are a disease.

        “A rising leader in the radical Islamic movement in Egypt that has become a major political player since the demise of Hosni Mubarak’s regime says Christian churches may need to be blown up and Christians exterminated to allow the advance of Islamic law, or Shariah.”

        Read more: ‘Exterminate Christians, close pyramids, Sphinx’

        http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=339305#ixzz1YVKPVcKf

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Angel Wannabe

        Freedom Fighter, Well Said!

      • Mountain Saint

        Israel is the only friend that we have in the Middle East. It’s your Arab president in the White House who has been turning secular governments in Africa and Middle East into Jidahists determined to annihilate the Jewish people. God won’t tolerate it and He is already sending trouble our way, thanks to Obama (Genesis 12:3)

      • Vagabond

        mark you should put down the KOOL AID,

      • Old Henry

        Now FreedonFighter, Ragheads have a good sie. They do like women and thin every man should own at least 4 or 5.

        As Foxworthy says, If you have more wives than teeth, you might be a Muslim. If you wipe your butt with your hand and think bacon is impure, you might be a Muslim.

      • JeffH

        mark, did you conveniently forget that the Holy Land of Jerusalem, which, prior to its “conquest by Islam” in the 7th century, was an integral part of Christendom for nearly 400 years. The Muslim/Islam jihad slaughtered the jJews and stole the land, not the way you believe through your revisionist history.

        Turned the Arab world against the US? Muslims/Islam are the most violent war mongers in history. They hate anyone that is not of thier religion and are required to kill the non-believers.

        Famous Muslim scholar Ibn Khaldun, who is revered in the West for his “progressive” insights, also puts to rest the notion that jihad is “defensive” warfare:

        In the Muslim community, the holy war [jihad] is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force…The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defense… They are merely required to establish their religion among their own people. That is why the Israeilites after Moses and Joshua remained unconcerned with royal authority [e.g. a "caliphate"]. Their only concern was to establish their religion [not spread it to the nations]… But Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations (The Muqudimmah, vol. 1 pg. 473).
        http://www.meforum.org/2105/judeo-christian-violence-vs-islamic-violence

      • Kinetic1

        How many of you who are criticizing mark’s views can name any reason to support Israel that isn’t based in religion? Christian faith is not a basis for American foreign policy. Most of our nation’s laws that mirror the Ten Commandments are based on rules of common good held long before Christianity made it’s way to Europe. There are a myriad of reasons to support laws against murder, theft and assault, none of which depend on the Bible for justification, but every time a Christian denounces criticism of Israel as tempting the wrath of God they put into question the basis for our nation’s support of the Jewish state. Given the cost of this support, both in dollars and jobs, and the effects of our support, (remember, it was Nixon’s decision to send arms to Israel that started the oil embargo that would later haunt Carter’s Presidency) what good reasons do you have other than your religious convictions?

      • DaveH

        Some history on the middle east:
        http://www.fff.org/comment/com0501i.asp

        We need to butt out of other countries’ politics and mind our own while we still can.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        They have turned the Arab nation against us? Are you totally nuts or what? Israel is the country of God’s chosen people. Though they are mostly secular there, and dont believe in Jesus Christ, this is pretty much while they are still persecuted to this day. All though the Bible mark, you will see where God’s people rallied to Him, then they became disobediant and were handed over to an enemy. Then a leader would rise, and they would return to God, as he always saves a remnant of them to carry on. To this day, they are disobediant to Him, seeking to ignore Christ, and trying to do the man thing, praying their way into heaven, doing this and doing that, and its all worthless. There is nothing we can do to inherit eternal life in Heaven. It was all done for us, when Jesus Christ spread his arms and said “I love you this much”, and took the nails for us. All we have to do is ask Him into our lives, and that is the only way. We cant do the work to get there, He did it for us. Now the United States is the biggest Christian nation in the world, but our numbers are falling more and more, as people are becoming more reliant on themselves and wasting their lives chasing after money, making it their God. The more we move away from God, the more His hand will be removed from us. And the day we remove our blessings from Israel, God’s blessing will be removed from us, and we will be done. Of course, you can think of yourself as wise and above all this, but like all of us, one day you will get to bow down in front of Him and tell Him what you think as you give an account of yourself to Him. Good luck telling Him your way is better. Yeah, good luck with that, ok.

      • denniso

        The Jews are ‘God’s chosen people’ yet they don’t believe in the ‘son of God’?? Does your god have problems communicating with his ‘chosen people’?

      • Vagabond

        So very true Robin. Israel is the only true allie we have in the mideast,

      • denniso

        Israel has only existed for about 65 yrs,in the middle of the Arab countries…why didn’t we ‘fall’ before they were given land that belonged to someone else?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The minute we turn our back and remove our hand from Israel, we are done pal. Its pretty simple. We walk away, and we toast. I suggest we dont try God on this one. Think what you will, but I guarantee you, your arms arent long enough to box with God.

    • Old Henry

      And Wolff, the Jews will vote for either Hilly or Barry in droves come 2012.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        OH,
        That is changing!! There was a report tonight that said the Jewish vote is abandoning Nobummer in droves due to his treatment of Israel!!

      • Old Henry

        Well JoeH, I hope that is true because they were complicit in helping to elect a Little Hitler in 2008.

  • Stunned at sunset

    I hope people remember that she brow-beat her husband into hiring Janet Reno for Attorney General. A lot of people got killed after that.

    • mark

      Yes but nothing compared to the hundreds of thousands Bush and Cheney slaughtered in Iraq.

      • AnhydrousBob

        Yeah, and nothing compared to the near million slaughtered by Bush & Bush & Clinton & Obama in Somalia, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Egypt.

      • ValDM

        And the beat goes on, mark. How many are STILL dying there & other places thanks to the O’boy’s policies????

      • Kinetic1

        ValDM,
        I’ll give you Libya, but how do you just pick up and leave Afghanistan and Iraq? Bush got us in deep on two fronts, toppled governments and tried to replace them with friendly puppets. So far it hasn’t worked very well. So what was Obama to do? Should he have pulled our troops out on day one with full knowledge that the terrorists would step in and take over? Iraq was more stable and controllable under Sadam than it would ever be if Al Qaeda stepped in, but Bush just had to get the man who threatened his daddy.

        It’s easy to play arm chair quarterback, but the President has to consider our nation’s responsibility for the past administration’s mistakes when making these tough decisions. I want us out ASAP, but I understand the desire to try and stabilize things before we pull out. Still, I’m afraid that it will end badly no matter how long we wait, but then I don’t have all the information that our government has. Our military leaders want Obama to take it slower, the people want him to move faster. I just wish someone would have controlled Bush’s desire to be a “war President”.

      • DaveH

        “how do you just pick up and leave Afghanistan and Iraq?”.

        The same way, Kinetic, that they just picked up and got into Afghanistan and Iraq. Just do it.
        How do you justify continuing an immoral war? Throwing good lives after lost lives just doesn’t cut it.

      • Kinetic1

        Dave,
        The problem is that we jumped into a country that had a system of government in place and we broke it. I agree that they are both immoral wars and neither our soldiers nor their civilians should be lost to satisfy some politician’s desire, but now we bear responsibility for all the chaos we have brought them. I don’t know that we can do anything to fix what we broke and maybe we’ve tried long enough. All I know is that the decision to start these two wars has made a mess of things both here at home and abroad.

      • Old Henry

        Kinetic1:

        As I recall Little Barry campaigned on getting out of there by the end of 2009.

      • Kinetic1

        OH,
        And that is one of several areas where President Obama has disappointed me. I don’t know where you guys got the idea that I support every decision Obama has made, but I don’t. I just don’t believe that McCain/Palin would have been a better answer.

      • Dan az

        kenitic
        Things are about to come crashing down on all of them and I feel that the only one can fill the slot is RP because we will just continue this downward trend if we don’t stop bickering about who might be ok.Its just not good enough this time.Whether you think he is good enough or not he still stands by the constitution and has not deviated once.Is this not the best choice?

      • Old Henry

        mark:

        How about the millions FDR murdered in Europe? How about the millions JBJ murdered in Nam? How about the many thousnds that died due to dick-for-brains inaction? How about the thousands that have been killed by BHO in Libiya, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan? (Remember those two wars he pledged to extricate us from by the end of 2009?)

      • Kinetic1

        Old Henry,
        So you would have had FDR stand back and let Hitler run roughshod over Europe? Were we supposed to ignore the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor? Bush responded to a terrorist attack by first attacking the country that we thought was the base for the terrorists, then turned his attention from his stated goal and waged war on a nation that had nothing to do with those terrorists. How can you, in all good conscience equate the two?

      • DaveH

        Kinetic,
        Were you aware that we were allied with Japan in WWI?
        Were you aware that 80% of the population didn’t want to become involved with WWII? Were you aware that FDR lied to the public for at least a year before the Pearl Harbor attack about his real intentions to get involved in Europe?
        Read this Free online book, and learn the truth:
        http://mises.org/books/pearl_harbor_greaves.pdf

      • DaveH

        Were you aware that virtually every war we’ve become involved with has been the result of a “false flag” event?
        http://911review.com/articles/anon/false_flag_perations.html

      • Kinetic1

        DaveH,
        Yes, I was aware of the issues you mentioned. But allied or not, Japan struck Pearl Harbor. Do you think that everything would have been ok if FDR had listened to the majority and let Germany take over Europe? Maybe Russia would have stopped them, or maybe Hitler’s army would have grown strong enough to bring the war to our shores.

        The idea that FDR and his administration would allow the attack on Pearl is hard to take, even if it was to convince American’s to support the war, but at least it was a genuine enemy and a genuine threat. As you have alluded to in your second post, 9/11 brought us neither and should be investigated. Given the latest evidence it doesn’t sound like it would paint a pretty picture.

      • Amy

        So we should have left Germany take over Europe and Japan take over the USA?

      • DaveH

        We know that Hitler was evil. But we also know that Stalin was evil. We sided with Stalin and even allowed Russia to occupy many of the misfortunate victim countries of Hitler’s aggression. Similar to what’s occurring right now in Libya.
        What a deal. We fight to supposedly save Europe and then turn many of the European countries over to the wolves.
        We sided with a Communist country, and against a country (Japan) whose main concern was to stop the Communists. Kind of a crazy mixed-up mess like wars usually are.
        80% of the citizens in 1940 were against US involvement in that war.
        Read the book I linked to above. Shed the blinders, Amy. Don’t let the propagandizers get away with what they did to you. Learn some truth.

      • Old Henry

        And DaveH, FDR referred to Stalin as “Uncle Joe”. Like he was some benevolent old man.

        Come to think of it that is probably how FDR viewed the mass-murdering Stalin whol made Hitler look like a Boy Scout.

      • Old Henry

        Kinetic1:

        I don’t think I said anything about the Japs. They attacked us – with FDR’s help – and we, to use some liberal phrasology, took the sons of bitches out.

        However, Germany / Itally did nothing to us. Why was it our business? FDR had to come up with a way to end the Depression after all his failed first 2-1/2terms and he saw a way to do that by creating his meat-grinder and sacrificing thousands upon thousands of young men and women.

      • JeffH

        .mark, mark, mark..boring…yawns! Polly want a cracker? bbbaaarrraaakkk!

      • DaveH

        So, let me get this straight, Mark. You’re okay with 27 children as well as many more adults being murdered because Bush murdered people with his involvements in the Middle East?
        http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa395.pdf

        So, I guess, with Mark, murder is no longer immoral because other people have done it in the past?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Hundreds of thousands? Really. Wow.

      • DaveH
      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Like this very report says, the Iraqi deaths are unknown just what is being told by reporters. If they are anything like our reports, where 5000 people show up for a speech and they say there were 200,000 people there, I see the numbers being quite askew. Also, they are, and have been, and will after we leave, been killing each other by the thousands because of the sikh, shite, bathe muslim thing, where they kill over different variances in their belief system. And did you notice that one column said over a million, yet others said 150,000. It could actually be 50,000. Or it could be 100,000. But for the poster to have said the “hundreds of thousands” Bush and Cheney slaughter, is quite a lie. And when they raise their arms against you and declare death to you, what do you propose, stick your head in the sand and act like it didnt happen? We either stop them now, or at least let them know we are capable of stopping them, or 9-11 will become a weekly thing in this country. And I dont think anyone except the muslim terrorists wants that. You cannot pacify and appease them Dave, sorry, you just cant. They have said, in many many ways, and in many forms, that they will kill us and that they will not stop trying to kill us until they are dead or we are dead. Now give Dave, I dont like war, I detest it. But I moreso detest terrorists running around free and blowing up innocent victims here on our soil. If it means going over there to get them to stop it, then so be it. But if you sit on your ands and do nothing, as evidence heavily by the Clinton admin who did nothing again and again and again, look what happens – 9-11. We empower them by doing nothing, and by Clinton turning his head and sticking it in the sand over and over, these guys became emboldened and thought we would just keep taking it so they stepped it up and blew up the damn World Trade Centers. I dont know about you Dave, but I for one along with millions of others, havent forgotten and I still feel the pain of it. It is the low point of this country to me, and I fully hold Bill Clinton and his administation the cause of it, for doing nothing during all their previous bombings. Bush wasnt perfect, heck man, he is a politician,but I applaud him being a man and standing up and taking the fight to them. Problem is, his time came and went, and the guys runnin it now dont have the same goals of stopping the enemy, they have the goal of how can we cut and run and not look bad, but make the other party look bad. Unfortunately, that is what is has come down do. We have lost our way in this war now, and I agree with you now that it is time to get out. But it was well worth going in, and if you dont agree, then thats ok, your entitled to your opinion, as I am mine, and like men we will have to agree to disagree. Im not going the way of denniso and assaulting you and calling names, as Im not ignorant and stupid like that. I find you a highly intelligent, well thought out guy, and if we dont agree, so what, life goes on. But we can have intelligent conversations without bashing each other, and I think that is where wisdom comes from, sharing different ideas, without insisting your right and the other guy is wrong. Just my opinions, for right or wrong.

      • Jay

        60% of U.S. Military Deaths in Afghanistan Have Occurred Since Obama Was Inaugurated in 2009
        By Edwin Mora
        April 4, 2011
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        U.S. soldiers on patrol in the volatile Arghandab Valley, Kandahar, Afghanistan, on Monday, July 26, 2010. (AP Photo/Rodrigo Abd)

        (CNSNews.com) – At least 858 U.S. soldiers have died in the Afghanistan war since President Barack Obama took office in January 2009. That equals 60 percent of the 1,427 American soldiers killed so far in the 10-year war in that country.

        In March 2011, there were 26 U.S. military deaths in Afghanistan, including 4 non-combat related fatalities. That brought the total combat and non-combat deaths for 2011 (January, February, and March) to 70. Those fatalities include 57 combat-related deaths and 13 non-combat deaths.

        Of the 858 U.S. deaths since Obama’s inauguration, 791 have been combat-related. This means that for the 1,241 combat-related deaths that occurred since the Afghanistan war began in October 2001, about 64 percent happened in the two years since Obama took office.

        Last year was the deadliest for U.S. forces in Afghanistan, with 497 combat and non-combat fatalities. Improvised explosive devices (IEDs), or homemade bombs, continue to be the number one killer of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan.

        The Afghan provinces of Helmand and Kandahar, which border Pakistan and have been the central focus of U.S. military operations in recent years, continue to be the deadliest regions for American soldiers.

      • Dan az

        Jay
        Good job but I was hoping you would have also put in when the UN took charge and made us liable to the world court and set the ground rules on how we fought back.The time line would probably coincide with when Obumer chaired the UN illegally according to our constitution.I know I ask for allot but hey who better to ask?

    • Old Henry

      Stunned at Sunset:

      If we have “Return of the Whte Trash” many more will be killed. What we saw before was a warm-up, or a practice run.

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    What are the chances that Barry decides not to run, just to enable Hillary to run? It probably will depend on the payoff… Soros will take care of his boy, no doubt. Hillary will be another puppet.

    • Randy Huffey

      Robin,
      I think you have it right! Obama has been campaigning for 6 months. Any money (probably $3-$5 hundred million already donated to his campaign) he will walk off with and keep! Payoff enough? Maybe. Like you said SOROS is the “boss” of both Hillary and Obama so he will make the call. There won’t be any messy, expensive “challenge” from Hillary either. Obama will stay letting the republicans spend a bunch of money to defeat him, then announce he isn’t running. Soros will wait until as late as he can to bring out Hillary to minimize the time republicans have to expose Hillary as a Marxist/Communist and Soros puppet!

      • Old Henry

        Randy:

        Good post, but Little Barry has been campaigning for four years and counting.

    • Lawrence

      When Soros is done with Barry, he will probably just kick him to the curb as he will no longer be useful.

    • Old Henry

      Robin:

      Being the narcissist to the core that he is the only way Little Barry will not run is if he is “made to understand” the, ah, peril he would face.

      That is when he wets the Teleprompter.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I think he is too prideful and arrogant to read the writing on the wall. If he ever walked away, they would have to be giving him one hell of a lot of money. One hell of a lot of money.

  • Gayle

    I have never been a fan of the clinton’s. I’ve been reading a lot of negative about hillary and people will remember her share in the middle east messes, I hope. But she has been wise to stay out of sight lately. She is in lock-step with obama.

    • Charles bond

      You are right and Hillery said out of her own moth thae,she is a progressive. How much differance in a socialist and a progressive ?

      • denniso

        Oh no!!!! Hillary actually called herself a ‘PROGRESSIVE’!!!! I would bet that if you waterboarded her she would admit to being a ‘LIBERAL as well!!

        Can you people really be as ignorant than you appear to be? Do you want to live in a country where you are only allowed to have approved political views? You don’t even know what these labels mean and yet you are willing to villify Americans who hold views different from you. You don’t even know what ‘Socialism’ is and you are terrified of the term like it’s the pretend Devil. You want to demonize any political view that you don’t understand because you are blindly following idiots like Limbaugh and Savage who are scaring you w/ words. I doubt that you are as ignorant and fearful as these sorts of comments make you sound,because most humans have the ability to think more than you appear to be doing.

      • FreedomFighter

        You and I are told increasingly that we have to choose between a left or right, but I would like to suggest that there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down–up to a man’s age-old dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order–or down to the ant heap totalitarianism, and regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.–Ronald Reagan

        A progressive is a socialist Communist hell bent on totlitarianism…it should be feared in America.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Vagabond

        there you go again denniso, you just wont leave us alne,

      • hawkeye

        To Denniso….are you a member of the al-CIA-da that other “scary” word that this government uses to pass all these takeover-your-humanrights laws? I guess you get paid a good salary to come on here and “poison” the people with your oh it’s harmless talk. Nobody is listening to you. You lose.

      • Kate8

        denniso – No one has a corner on ignorance (it’s part of the current human condition due to the mind-control matrix), but you surely stand out.
        ————

        Communism: A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make PROGRESS toward a “higher” social order…

        The real classlessness of citizens in a communist regime is found not in their having similar economic situations, but in their having minds that have been created by the state, and where those minds are all virtually identical…a human or mental classlessness–a classlessness of the human spirit–where the spontaneity and diversity of humans is stripped, and the people all become very similar to one another, in their desires, dreams, thoughts, language, preferences, apearance, education…

        American corporatist (communistic) classnesses involves the idea that Americans are taught, and urged to believe that, “we’re all just equal”: the black, the white, ther rich, the poor, the Arab and the Jew, we’re all just equal people–so long as we all think alike, and think permissible thoughts… CORPORATISM, Jeffrey Grupp.
        ___________________________________

        Except for the ruling elite, of course. They are godlike, and not subject to our “equality”.

        You know, like Hill and Bill, and Barack and Michelle. And Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid…(I name those on the Left because they stand out in my mind. There are many on the Right, as well.)

      • DaveH

        Denniso,
        You should teach a course on How to Influence People to Think Opposite of You.
        Why do you think your adolescent manipulative tactics would work on any reasonable adults? You need to go hang out with the middle-schoolers, they would idolize you.

      • JeffH

        …so true, so true…

      • Old Henry

        DaveH::

        Wouldn’t we then have to get the overloaded DCFS involved?

      • denniso

        Where are the ‘reasonable’ people???

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        They are right here in front of you denniso, but like a typical liberal, you are blind and deaf to the truth. The reasonable are DaveH, JoeH, Beberoni, Kate8, Angel Wannabe, and a few others, sorry if I missed you. Wake up denniso, put your agenda away and start paying attention man. Its getting serious.

      • Dan az

        Oh please old wise one tell us what we should think!I keep this picture as a screen saver just of you seeking your just knowledge and wishing for you to appear and speak to us daily.Thank you for your enlightenment oh great thinker.Dennso your my masta!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Dan az,
        My vision isn’t what it used to be, but if that is what i think it is, I have to ask where you got the picture of denniso looking for eyes!!!

      • Dan az

        Brother Jeff
        Mine either!I wish the boxes were a little bigger,but yes that is dennso just before you here that popping sound. :)

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        denniso, do yourself a favor, and all of us, and read the book “Hell to pay”. Then tell me how you can stand up for Hillary and Billy Clinton.

      • Jay

        Liberals believe that men–left to their own devices–are not to be trusted. They also believe in the goodness of government; a government composed of men. This paradox may help explain why many liberals are angry much of the time.”
        –RE Bierce

      • Old Henry

        Charles:

        Liberal, Socialist, Progrssive.

        There are several ways to spell Communist.

      • JeffH

        OH, I prefer to lump them all together…Marxist/socialist/communist/progressive…liberals are like a box of chocolates…you never know what yer gonna get…

      • Kate8

        JeffH – Except that they are all full of fruits and nuts…

      • JeffH

        Kate8… :) yepper!

      • Dan az

        :)

      • Old Henry

        JeffH:

        LOL! Dats a good one! I was just trying to keep it simple enough so they could understand it…

      • denniso

        you guys were funny I might actually laugh w/ you. Are you trying to sound as juvenile as possible? It’s working!

      • denniso

        IF you guys were funny…

      • JeffH

        Nope! We’re just having a good chuckle at your expense denisso.

      • Dan az

        :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

      • denniso

        Well, isn’t that cute!! Are you guys actually little girls?

      • Jay

        What’s the matter denniso, are you jealous? Can’t find, and can’t make any friends of your own? You lonely, sad, little man!

      • denniso

        Do you really have to be so juvenile?

  • FreedomFighter

    “Having said all this, for those of us who are still intent on resisting a left-wing police state in America, I think we would be wise to be careful what we wish for. Obama can be beaten, but probably not Hillary.”

    I agree, they will pull Hillary out at the last moment. I disagree about her probably not being beaten. It would take allot of money though, so get ready to dig deep and give or start to practice saying “Comrades”.

    Keep your powder dry comrades, we going to need it.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • wandamurline

      The only problem with Clinton running is that the Democratic party has their “black” poster boy…they have called everyone who disagrees with him a racist. Now if they run Clinton, how is she going to debate him? She will be seen as a racist…this will destroy the party, and the elists of the Democrat party will not do that…they cannot affort to have anyone run against him. They are in a real pickle. But, as Glenn Beck told us last summer….he predicted Clinton, even though she is as much a NWO and a tyrant as Obama, America would see her as their saviuor from Obumer. The only good news is that there is a time when she has to put in or shut up and I believe it comes either in October or November…we are in September…I say a prayer everyday as she would be the final nail in America’s coffin and we have enough stupid people in this country that would actually vote for her. God Bless America…get on your knees and pray for our country.

    • Al Sieber

      I agree, but why do we keep putting up with all this crap? these people should be tried for treason…..

      • denniso

        Childish,simplistic,ignorant!! Are you tough guys going to call for Bush,Cheny and Rummy to be tried for treason for the lies leading up to the Iraq invasion? No, I didn’t think so!

      • FreedomFighter

        Bush was NWO, Clinton also, Obummer is the end game puppet.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • denniso

        How can you stay so stuck on a passe term like NWO??? There is no such thing! Bush 1 first coined the term and all he meant was a more peaceful,cooperative world w/ countries working together for the good of all. Not very scary,and not much to show for it anyway.

        You need to get out of the house,away from the rightwing sites that are polluting what’s left of your mind,and do something helpful and productive in your community…NWO???? Give me a break!

      • DaveH

        Do you really think your adolescent rants influence anybody, Denniso? My bet is that your ignorant rants have the opposite effect on most readers.

      • Old Henry

        Well denniso, the tern NWO has been around long before old man Bush used it. And I still can’t believe they let him do that.

        Now when that loud popping sound occurs straighten up very slowly so as not to damage your back. Remember it has been in that position for a long time.

      • Old Henry

        Hey DaveH, wasn’t it denniso that went on a tyraid all day last Friday, and into Saturday, about how “we” are always calling people names?

      • JeffH

        Old Henry, denisso has been going on with his/her tyraids for a few years now…with denisso, nothing ever changes. Without a doubt one of the most hatefull, vial and miserable individuals I’ve never had the dis-pleasure of knowing. Lifes a “biatch”!

      • Old Henry

        JeffH:

        If nothing else, he is consistent…

      • JeffH

        OH, correctomundo…same-o, ssme-o.

      • Jay

        1993 – June 22.  In case there is any doubt about whether President Clinton(CFR) supports world government, on this date he signs a letter to the World Federalist Association congratulating Strobe Talbott(CFR) on receiving (june 24) the WFA’s first “Norman Cousins Global Governance Award.”  The WFA is a leading force for world federal government.  Clinton’s letter states:  “Norman Cousins worked for world peace and world government…Strobe Talbott’s lifetime achievements as a voice for global harmony have earned him this recognition….He will be a worthy recipient of the Norman Cousins Global Governance Award.  Best wishes….for future success.”

        “We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans…” 
Bill Clinton (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A)
        * * *

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JeffH,
        That’s same-o, same-o dennis-o!!! You can almost predict his posts!!!

      • DaveH

        We know, Denniso, anything that doesn’t come from your infantile brain is “childish, simplistic, and ignorant”. Tell us something new, Ignoramus.

      • Old Henry

        Well DaveH, in my childish opinion a lot of our problems are simplistic. It’s the liberals who continually try to make them complicated to the point that no one can make heads or tails out of them.

        They try to get everybody to the point that we are in the old addage of “When you’re up to your ass in alligators, it’s hard to remember your objectve was to drain the swamp.”

      • Amy

        Is that your integrity shining through Dave?

        in·teg·ri·ty   /ɪnˈtɛgrɪti/ Show Spelled[in-teg-ri-tee] Show IPA
        noun
        1. adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty.

        Oh sorry, you are honestly a bafoon

      • DaveH

        I was quoting from Denniso’s comment, Amy. Why didn’t you attack Denniso? Duh, let me guess, would it have anything to do with Zealotry?

      • Dan az

        Oh look its amy the clone to denny!Now there goes the neighbor hood!

      • Old Henry

        Dan az:

        Maybe they’re paternal twins.

      • Vagabond

        denniso why dont you do us all a favor and keep your mindless thoughts and ramblings to your self and let us enjoy the rest of the views and thoughts of intelligent people???

      • JeffH

        V, wishfull thinking…it ain’t gonna happen! It is what it is! :)

      • Old Henry

        Now Vagabond, you’re soundidng like hodges up above..

        Remember, Civil Discourseis the catch phrase. Unless you’re a Democrap…

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        No, I think they should be awarded medals for standing up to those who kept punching us in the nose time and time again, something Bill Clinton was to coward to do. And thats a fact, jack.

      • Al Sieber

        denniso, anyone that violates the Constitution should be tried for treason. what are you nuts? or just dumb?

      • denniso

        Maybe you could explain how Bush/Cheny/Rumsfeldt ‘validated’ the constitution by invading Iraq and slaughtering more than 100,000 civilians? Was it how they manipulated the intelligence and coerced the CIA to support their foregone conclusion that Saddam had WMD? Or was it the waterboarding that everyone in the world calls torture? Maybe it was the outing of a CIA agent for political payback?

        I’ll await your answer…

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The democrats all voted to invade Iraq dummy denniso. Get a life.

      • denniso

        Who’s the dummy? Cheny and company coerced the CIA into manipulating intel…got the press onboard w/ visions of atomic bombs that didn’t exist.Weapons inspectors combed Iraq for any sign of WMD and found none. When most of Congress,not all of the Dems,voted to authorize the use of force it was done under a cloud of fearmongering and lies…hardly a credible vote. Bush/Cheny/Rumsfeldt all should be in jail for treason and war crimes.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You might want to revisit that WMD statement. I recall when Slick Willy was in office, the UN inspectors went through there, and had pages of WMD’s inventoried, and old Saddam was supposed to show proof he got rid of them. Well, we all know he got rid of them, but to where? Iran? Syria? Turkey? They are somewhere, because they were inventoried way before the war started. And Bush got the same intel the democrats got, who were crying from the mountain top that Saddam was dangerous and had WMD’s and had to be stopped, and I watched them on live TV saying this, BEFORE BUSH WAS EVEN A CANDIDATE for President. Cheney didnt manipulate squat. Your lefties have manipulated your mind, and you cant see straight denniso. Get real.

    • Old Henry

      FreedomFighter:

      As bob stated, if Hilly jumps in it will rip the democrap party apart and racism will be trumpeted. So, I still think that in order to preserve unity they will dump Idiot Joe and given the Clinton’s proclivity for leaving dead bodies in their wake
      they insert Hilly.

      Then, some morning very early in 2013 Little Barry will simply not wake up – terminal nightmare. Or, there will be some sort of an “accident”.

      That way they keep things unified during the campaign, avoid the raism issue and get the White Trash back in charge. They view it as a win-win situation.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      I agree with you. The Dems will bring back the Clintons.
      Their shenanigans will be glossed over, but also could be passed as the new normal.

      • DaveH

        Nadzieja,
        I think Hillary has too much baggage waiting to be dredged up. I doubt that she would be taken seriously by anybody but the Democratic zealots who will vote for anybody with the Demo label.

      • Kate8

        DaveH – Haven’t you noticed? Liberals don’t care about baggage. In fact, it seems that they find it endearing.

        We thought the Clintons were sleazy. Just look at all Obama’s gotten away with…and it makes absolutely no difference to the libs. It seems that the more reprobate they are, the more they love them. Now ol’ slick willy is some kind of hero to the Left. I’d say that it’s largely BECAUSE of his lack of moral character, not in spite of it.

        What’s really weird is how Bill and Hill think they somehow are entitled to own the US. Perhaps they’ve received promises from the PTB…Maybe Hill was told to wait 4 more years until after America had a taste of Odumbo…

        The bottom line for the Left is…”just promise me the money”…(not “show me”, because they’ll never see it).

        All I know is the whole thing makes me cringe.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, that’s for sure. Hill-Bill have been keeping a pretty low profile…outta sight, outta mind…but as you recall, Bill has been quite the elder statesman at times, with or without Obama’s approval…calculated positioning I say.

        Everyone must remember that Hillar and Obama were both students of the school of the Alinsky Marxists. Hill wrote her college thesis about Saul Alinsky.
        http://www.hillaryclintonquarterly.com/hillaryclintonsthesis.htm
        Hillary, Obama and the Cult of Alinsky: “True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within. Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties.

        Many leftists view Hillary as a sell-out because she claims to hold moderate views on some issues. However, Hillary is simply following Alinsky’s counsel to do and say whatever it takes to gain power.

      • DaveH

        Those are the “Democratic zealots” that I spoke of, Kate.

      • Dan az

        Kate..Dave..Jeff
        listen to this it sounds like all this NWO crap maybe collapsing around them.
        http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases

      • JeffH

        Brother Dan, I picked up on it from your post to Jay…read some of it and added bookmarked the link so I can go back and get into it.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Dave H, the Dems will downplay the Clinton baggage. The true believers who vote Democrat also have very short memories.

      • Old Henry

        DaveH:

        Maybe so, but who is going to drag it up? The MSM?

      • DaveH

        We will, Henry.

  • Roy West

    Robert,
    Please do not refer to these people as Hillbillies. I am a proud product of the mountains of Virginia. I am a hard working, tax paying patriotic American who cares deeply about this country. In future articles, please refer to the Clintons as what they are, “White Trash”. Do not insult the Hillbillies of the country like this.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I agree sir. I have been to the south in Tennessee and North Carolina many times, always staying in the mountains, and the so called hill billies are the nicest, kindest, most sharing and friendly outgoing people I have ever been around in my whole life. In fact, when I retire, I am planning on moving down there to live with them. They are real Americans. Bill and Hillary are America’s worst nightmare, white trash with money. That is exactly what they are. Simply put, do you know of any other people that left the White House and tried to steal the furniture? Come on now. The proof is in the pudding. They are white trash.

      • Peace Warrior

        They are only nice and kind if you look, talk and act like them; otherwise, do not expect genuinely nice treatment. Been there many times. The Midwest is a totally different story, and the kindness is certainly genuine!

      • Charles bond

        You need to move back to the middleast where you come from.

      • Peace Warrior

        Exactly man. I am glad I do not live there. Been there and done that!

      • denniso

        The rightwing claims to not like ‘elitists’,yet they support fatcats in industry who are nothing but elite. The Clintons worked their way up to the top and people like Ringer call them hill billies …such hypocritical nonsense!!

      • Dan az

        Dennso
        Why is it you always pick the losing team?
        Just a few people Clinton didn’t have to Pardon:

        James McDougal – Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner: died of an apparent heart attack,
        while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.

        Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern: was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee
        Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

        Vince Foster – Former white House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s
        Rose Law firm: Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

        Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman: Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death, Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

        C. Victor Raiser II & Montgomery Raiser – Major players in the Clinton fund raising
        organization: died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

        Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director: found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “Dear friend and trusted advisor.”

        Ed Willey – Clinton fund raiser: found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

        Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock: Gunned down in his
        car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died, the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

        James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of
        people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and
        Arkansas.

        James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

        Kathy Ferguson, ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson: found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a codefendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit.Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness
        for Paula Jones.

        Bill Shelton – Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of [above] Kathy Ferguson: Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound, also ruled a
        suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

        Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton’s friend Dan Lassater: died by jumping out a window of a
        tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

        Florence Martin – Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA: was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.

        Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney
        General: Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Suzanne pregnant at
        the time of her death.

        Paula Grober – Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9,
        1992: She died in a car accident.

        Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority: He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

        Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980
        “October Surprise” : was found dead on a toilet June 22,1993 in his Washington, DC apartment. He had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

        Jon Parnell Walker – Whitewater investigator for Resolution TrustCorp: Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the
        Morgan Guarantee scandal.

        Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer: Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

        Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance; he died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

        Dr. Stanley Heard – Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee:
        died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on
        Clinton’s advisory council, personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

        Barry Seal – Drug running pilot out of Mena, Arkansas: His death was no accident.

        Johnny Lawhorn Jr. – Mechanic: found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car
        left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

        Stanley Huggins – Investigated Madison Guarantee: His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.

        Hershell Friday – Attorney and Clinton fund raiser: died March 1, 1994 when his plane
        exploded.

        Kevin Ives & Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case: Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena, Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks.Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

        THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

        Keith Coney – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.

        Keith McMaskle – Died – stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

        Gregory Collins – Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

        Jeff Rhodes – He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

        James Milan – Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to “natural
        causes”.

        Jordan Kettleson – Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June, 1990.

        Richard Winters – A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a setup robbery July, 1989.

        THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:

        Major William S. Barkley, Jr.
        Captain Scott J. Reynolds
        Sgt. Brian Hanley
        Sgt. Tim Sabel
        Major General William Robertson
        Col. William Densberger
        Col. Robert Kelly
        Spec. Gary Rhodes
        Steve Willis
        Robert Williams
        Conway LeBleu
        Todd McKeehan
        This is quite a list ! Pass it on to let people know.

      • denniso

        God above!! Why would I look any further at your bogus and ridiculous list than the name of Ron Brown? He died in a plane crash,and you believe that his body was found w/ a bullet hole in his head? What a freaking joke! You really believe this crap you post? You are seriously in trouble if the answer is yes.

      • denniso

        Where is your basic judgement?? If the Clintons had the kind of power and ability to escape justice,why the hell didn’t the kill off Lewinsky and avoid all that trouble? Why not kill off Ken Star? How about some of the Repub leadership that brought the impeachment on Bill? You really need to do some independent thinking and quit following this crap on your rightwing hack sites. You are out to lunch and over the edge,both at the same time. Maybe you are already locked up?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Im sorry but we have to agree to disagree on this one. I come from the northern part of Indiana. I have no accent. Ive lived in the city all my life. Those folks down there have been nothing but hospitable to me, and Ive been down there over 15 times now, all over Appalachia, including some deep back woods folks. It seems folks from the North think of them as dumb because they talk different. It couldnt be further from the truth. And Ive been to New York and Ive lived in California, and those are the coldest, most unfriendly people Ive ever met in my life. Yet when Im down south, I have never once had an unkind word spoken to me, nor have I ever received an unkind look, and having lived in the city all my life, Ive grown to be pretty street smart, and you can tell what a lot of people are thinking by the way they look at you. Isnt Chicago and Detroit in the Midwest? Indianapolis, Cleveland, Columbus? Yeah, Ive been to all of those, and let me tell you, I didnt find folks as a whole to be of the out going and friendly variety there. But I sure did all over the south. So like I said, we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Im not stating my opinion when I say southern folks are friendly, Im relating to true life experiences that Ive lived through. And thats a fact.

      • denniso

        Hillbillies?? White trash??? Bill is a Rhodes scholar,can any of you or Robert Ringer say that? Hillary is a Wellesley College graduate w/ a law degree from Yale University along w/ many ‘first’ accomplishments. Any of the haters above who graduated from Yale? Any of you been a Secretary of State?

        Ringer’s article is so full of lies and misleading statements as to make it essentially worthless and pointless to read,and I don’t usually say that about his articles in total. Jealous? Envious? Full of hate for a former president and first lady? Obviously!

        Do you people and Ringer forget about your beloved Reagan and his wife Nancy? It’s becoming more clear w/ time that she was very involved and controlling in his presidency..so, two for the price of one?

      • hipshotpercusion

        Actually, Hitlery came from Park Ridge, IL, which is a suburb of Chicago.

      • Old Henry

        hipshot:

        Say howdy to Rick O’Shay and Mort Gage fer me.

        And it’s Chi Ka Go.

      • ItsJo

        Your post is correct. Also, Hillary worked for Saul Alinsky who wanted to hire her(he was her mentor, which was the subject of her own
        thesis) but she instead joined the team that was “out to lynch Nixon”.
        The two Clintons are “Power/Money Mongers” who ALSO sold out America in their lust for cash/power. His corruption with his minions goes without saying. When in power, the Clinton’s treated terrorism as a “police matter” when the WTC was bombed the lst time, and bin Laden himself declared “America is a paper tiger”. He/terrorists were emboldened by the Clinton’s weakness, and their making America vulnerable, and thus, we had been attacked under them many times, and the terrorists went for the ‘bigger/better bang on 9/11′. Hillary is ANOTHER “Rules For Radicals” person, although she tries to hide it, she is just the SAME as Obama. The Clinton’s have tried to ‘rewrite their history(even had Sandy Berger steal papers that were incriminating from our Nat’l Archives, that indicated their subjecting
        America to being attacked by Terrorists again. These two ONLY worry about emassing their “personal fortunes”, and to hell with our Republic. She is “OBAMA IN A PANTSUIT”

      • Old Henry

        Rhodes scholar? He never finished. It’s more like a Roads scholar.

        You can put a dress on a pig, and it’s still a pig.

        Remember how they abosolutely trashed the People’s House? They stole property from the People’s House on teir way out. They trashed computers. They left empty pizza boxes laying all around. The walls had to be repainted. The carpets had to be replaced.

        The are indeed White Trash scum.

        Once again, you put a dress, or suit, on a pig and it’s still a pig.

      • Kate8

        Old H – Yep. Cecil Rhodes was someone much admired by Bill. In fact, I read that he was a mentor.

        Rhodes was not a good man. He was just another wealthy financier, an empire-building, diamond dealing colonialist elite who was much hated in Africa, even though he got a country named after him.

        I don’t consider this fact to be a point of admiration. It is simply another glimpse into the workings of Clinton’s mind.

      • Dan az

        Kate
        You gotta listen to this!!!It was posted by hawkeye and this is what we have been hoping for.
        http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Thank you for the truth Old Henry, something denniso will not accept or ever understand. He stands behind lepers like the Clintons and believes the baloney they spread and do. You are correct, they are white trash with money.

      • denniso

        What baloney exactly are the Clintons spreading? Could you give some specific examples?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Well for one just to start denniso, just simply google “Contentions – Hillary Clinton’s Falsehoods.” There are many, many more, but start there, since you wanted something “specific” I believe.

      • denniso

        And you expect me to trust all things that come up on the internet? Don’t you know that you can find anything attacking/smearing any Dem or liberal,or even a few Repubs? Why would you trust a site that pretends to have ‘facts’ about someone you hate? Isn’t there a bit of a problem with the truth on sites that make that their business? You know that you can also find sites that contend God is real?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I want you all to see what kind of people we are dealing with when trying to have an intelligent discussion with a liberal. Now denniso here, asks for specific topics. So then I provide them, factual evidence that he cannot or anyone cannot refute, because it is public knowledge out there for all to see. But he rejects it, then even goes one step further and chooses to attack God, who wasnt even a topic in this conversation. But he couldnt stay focused on his one attack, he needed to add another, to draw away from the fact that he, or she, was caught with their pants down and their foot in their mouth. Now as to your second ignorant rant denniso, about there being no God, I do want you to know, and unfortunately enough for you, one day you will meet Him, and you will bow down before Him, and you will give an account of yourself to Him. At that point, feel totally free to tell Him he isnt real. Any dummy can open his eyes and look around and see the sky and the stars and the planets and the oceans, and the millions of birds and animals, and dont forget the human beings, and yet science continues to grasp at straws trying to figure out how we got here, when its simple, God created us like He said. And yes, I do know this for certain, as His Holy Spirit lives within me pal. And you cannot possible comprehend this on a human level, because it is not a human thing. Its a God thing. When you invite Him in your life, He will definitely let you know that yes, He is real, and yes, He does exist, and yes, He is alive and well and will make an appearance here again. And you my friend, you will get to meet Him, face to face. I truly hope by then you change your human tune and human outlook, because in that day, it will not fare well for you if you are the same as you are today. No, I would not want to be you on that day, unless, like I said, you change. But that my friend, is a call you and only you can make. Think about it.

      • denniso

        Beb…I didn’t attack your god or say she didn’t exist…I simply said that there are sites online that claim to know absolutely that she is real. Now,how would anyone actually know that,or prove it? As you god-fearing people often say it’s a matter of ‘faith’,and beyond human comprehension,so how can that be proven as a fact? Only because you ‘feel’ it? Come on now,many people ‘feel’ lots of crazy things,so does that mean everything felt by people is then inherently true? There are millions of kooks who ‘feel’ very strongly that they have been kidnapped by aliens and had sexual experiments done on them…do those feelings mean it’s true? You and others who have a need to believe in mysterious,unseen/unproven things like gods,alien abductions,reincarnation,virgin births,resurrections,aliens making crop circles,jet contrails designed to kill us,Armageddon,NWO,Obama’s a dictator/fascist/marxist,ghosts and still more childish malarkey, seem to have trouble accepting the reality that we actually live with and that science works everyday to understand and unravel.

        If your ‘God’ created us w/ the mental capacity and curosity to do what no other creature can,why would She then try to shroud herself in mystery and make Herself incomprehensible to us? If we are not supposed to use the very logic and brain power given to us by your god, to be able to comprehend and know as a fact this god,then can’t you believers see there is a total breakdown in any sort of logic and rational thinking?

        You provided no specifics about all the bad/illegal/criminal things that you say Hillary has done…You might as well have said you just know that she is bad and has comitted crimes w/o saying anything more…just your word for it. Everyone knows that using the internet for any politically charged research is full of dubious results. Anyone,and many thousands have done it,can set up a site smearing people they hate. You can’t know the truth or falsity of an issue just because it’s on the web. You hate the Clintons and Obama and all liberals so you reinforce your hatred by reading or listening to the untruthsspouted by other haters of them. That’s hardly any way to come to the truth of an issue,and is something like your blind faith in a hidden god/spirits/devil,who only exist in your imagination and reinforced by others just like you…that doesn’t make it true.

      • vicki

        Denniso writes:
        “You know that you can also find sites that contend God is real?”

        Do you have evidence that God is NOT real? Please share.

      • Buddy

        Rhodes scholar? Yale Law Degree? No question but that Hill and Bill are intelligent and clever.

        The question is not intelligence but morality, ethics and subjectivity.

      • ItsJo

        Exactly right Buddy in your post. To know what the REAL Hillary is all about suggest people read the late Barbara Olsen’s book-
        “HELL TO PAY”. Ms.Olsen was killed in the 9/11 Pentagon crash, and her book came out that week, where she exposed Hillary’s past’/present
        agenda. Hillary is ALL about Power/Money-and she wanted to control the internet as she said years ago. She, like Obama, is a ‘student of
        Radical-Saul Alinsky, and they use his teachings like their bibles.
        btw: Barbara Olsen was an attorney and her husband Ted Olsen was with the Justice Dept. Barbara was in charge of the investigation of Hillary in the “Whitewater” case, etal.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Buddy,
        Careful there, you’ll break denny’s heart, disparaging his heroes like that!!! Both klintoons are meglomaniacs and God help ANYONE who gets between them and their prize!!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Trash of any variety is still trash. You can perfume it all you want, the stink is still there.
        Nancy Reagan was not wanting to be President and pushing Reagan out of the way. A wife does give advice to her husband and they do discuss the day to day happenings.
        You, apparently, do not appear to have been married or are married.
        The Clintons had/have a role reversal relationship. She is the chief and he is a subordinate.

      • DaveH

        Denniso,
        As usual you’re spouting nonsense. If degrees translated into economic good sense, then we wouldn’t be in the trouble we’re in right now. No amount of education can prepare anybody to know what is best for everybody else. People have disparate wants and needs. No Politicians are capable of satisfying those individual needs. That must be done by the individuals themselves.
        For those of you who want to see the “Rhode’s Scholar” in action, read this article just out on Yahoo Finance today (unbelievable BS from the King of BS):
        http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/president-bill-clinton-yes-american-dream-under-assault-231659873.html

      • DaveH

        For example, Bill says “Previously, corporations were “more or less” equally responsible to shareholders, employees, customers and the communities where they operated. “Now, shareholders are up here and everybody else is way down there.”

        That is exactly opposite of the truth (surprise, surprise). Prior to the Progressive movement to give rights to “stakeholders” (i.e. employees, customers, and the community) the shareholders, those who actually invested their money to create and maintain the company, were unchallenged in their ownership rights. As it should be. The rest were beneficiaries of the resulting products of those companies. And they should have been grateful for that. Instead Progressives, in their greed, looked a gift-horse in the mouth and clamored for much more. In the process, as usually happens when Greedy people are given full rein, they have diminished the productivity and output of those companies. So we all suffer.

      • hawkeye

        You have become one of the label freaks of America. Why haven’t you realized that all these “ivy-league” schools are utilized (and financed by) for the rich elite to perpetuate their takeover of the free people (God’s real people) by the elite. Their Agenda is to kill 85% of the population on the planet and take it over for themselves. Oh you are so for them…do you think you will be spared? They send their kids to them and train them the way they want them to go. They are brainwashed that they are so superior to all the inferior Americans here in America. They also own the Federal Reserve, and have all the money they need to make sure all their “groupies” are bought and paid for. Do you know that God, (Jesus) supplied everything for all people and that you don’t need money to survive? That all the FREE technology is already out there and is just being suppressed to keep the evil in power? Have a good day.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        These so called rich boy Ivy league schools, are the liberal think tanks that spawn anti American Americans. It seems their whole agenda is to make everyone evil except themselves, when in truth, they are the evil ones with all their Anti-God rhetoric. They think of themselves as wise, but they are the reason for the dumbing down of America. And one day they will be exposed, by a much higher authority.

      • Dennis48e

        “Ringer’s article is so full of lies and misleading statements as to make it essentially worthless and pointless to read,”

        And that would be how? Provide some proof of the lies in the article dennis the menace.

        “Bill is a Rhodes scholar,can any of you or Robert Ringer say that? Hillary is a Wellesley College graduate w/ a law degree from Yale University along w/ many ‘first’ accomplishments.”

        Just because they have fancy degrees from fancy colleges doesn’t prevent them from being white trash.

      • Void1972

        Dennis,
        hillary, bill, obama, soros and thousands of other “highly educated” satanist now control the world. The problem isn’t their education, the problem is their hatred for America and everything under God.
        The battle we face is really about good and evil, and it’s in your face every day. Just turn on your flat screen, and every bit of information your brain receives is negative or bizarre. Constant negative waves normalizes the negative, or evil in this case.
        Every reality show is corrupt. Most media is corrupt. 99% of hollywood is corrupt. al sharpton even has his own freak show on msnbc. how sick, demented and corrupt has America become?
        Up until 1978, if you looked up homosexuality in the dictionary, it was considered a mental illness, now it’s the right way to be.
        Good is bad and bad is good.
        The battle is now for the soul of the last hope for humanity. America is that last hope, and if we let these satanist, and they are just that, win, well, you know from the bible what happens in the end. I personally am not ready for the end game, not because of myself, but for my children. I want them to live a better life then i had, and right now it doesn’t look good.
        Please try to educate people about the evil that is in power. Everyday it is in your face. If you can’t see it, then you are part of it.
        Millions of Americans that have fallen for the evil, and have sold their souls for a free government handout, will come together next fall and defend satan.
        They will riot and murder in his name. The obamanation will not give up without creating as much racial horror as inhumanly possible.
        This is the way 2012 will end.
        Keep your faith in our one and true God.
        Keep your family and friends close and try to open their eyes by truth, fact and logic.
        Distance yourself from the evil ones.
        Buy as much protection as you can afford.
        Store food and water.
        Get ready for the battle of your life!
        One of the “evil ones” little jimmy hoffa, leaked obamas plan out early by stating “lets take these sons of bitches out”.
        The least we can do is let them die trying!
        God Bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        To tell the truth Dennis, of all the hundreds of people I know, some of them with the most prestigious college degree’s, are the dumbest ones I know. Sure, they make good money, but they trash their marriages and most relationships they have, they dump their friends to the curb in the chase for the almight dollar, then they get rich, and yet they arent filled, they want more, and I have seen money become their god, and it has totally changed their person and basically ruined their lives. And when you trash and dump everything that was good in your life, for the pursuit of another dollar, that a stupid, stupid thing to do. And one day though, they will all realize, as they are old and dying, that all that money isnt going to save them, and they cant take it with them and it will all be left here from someone else to have, and for some, sadly, it isnt until that point that they get the picture, that their pursuit of money was a wasted life time, as it accomplished nothing. A mans true wealth is measured by what he gives away, not by what he accumulates. Maybe, just maybe if our so called system of higher learning ever came to understand that, then maybe the world would be a much better place to live in. Im sure of that.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Like I said, white trash WITH MONEY. Duh. Do you pay attention at all. I dont care what kind of education some rich daddies money bought you, you steal the furniture from the White House, and kill everyone that crosses you, your white trash pal. Its pretty cut and dried. You cheat on your wife constantly, your white trash. You sell your countries technology to China, your white trash. You sell your voter base’s jobs to Mexico, your white trash. And if your a woman, and your husband is cheating on you with anything that walks and breathes, and you stay with him because his name and position bring you power and fame, yeah, again, your white trash. Thats prostitution in the purest form pal. She has prostituted herself for money and fame. Like I said, white trash.

      • Karolyn

        Beberoni – Neither one of them had rich daddies. Clinton’s left his mother; and Hillary’s was a working stiff. They worked their way up the ladder. Isn’t that something you guys usually admire? Hillary started out in college as a Republican too. Also, her staying with Bill had to do with love and the fact that no matter what he did, he came home to her. For many women, that’s what counts; and it’s not for us to judge how anyone else handles their own relationship. Everybody just loves to stand in judgment of people they don’t like, when, in fact, we really don’t know anything about the inner workings of anyone else’s mind.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        karolyn,
        Yeah, and she took the chance of him bringing something home she didn’t want……AIDS!!!now is this the kind of smarts you want in the White House, AGAIN??? If so, they are exactly what you DESERVE!!!

      • denniso

        Karolyn…good points. It’s funny that I have never heard any of these blowhard and judgemental rightwingers attack or demean any of the large number of Republicans who have been caught cheating on their wives.

      • libertytrain

        denniso, if you haven’t seen that then you have missed an awful lot of posts – at least during the last couple of years I ‘ve been here. Sewer scum is alive and thriving n each political party.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Hugh Rodham, Hillary’s dad was a very successful textile man in Chicago, and he had wealth. And believe it or not, he was a Republican who thought Bill would see the light and leave the darkside, but instead he drug his daughter into the dark side with him. Bill Clinton was born not to rich folks, but was funded by the Rockefellers once he became rotten.

      • denniso

        Libertytrain…I don’t read every post,it’s bad enough to read the thousands I have read over two yrs or so. If anyone on the right ever castigated one of the many republicans for adultery on this site,I never saw it and if it happened it couldn’t have happened much or I would have seen it. The right still howls over Clinton-Lewinsky,yet rarely or never mentions their own ‘evil doers’.

      • libertytrain

        well dearie pie, I don’t know why you torture yourself by reading – however, despite all those thousands you have read, you apparently missed hundreds of posts castigating the republican and democrats – — I don’t recall much publicity or I will say I have no information on Libertarian politician adulterers – I’m sure you do though.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I didnt castigate Bill for adultery, your changing around what I said just like a good little democrat. I was attacking Hillary for putting up with it just so she could stay in the powerful position of being first lady, and that is a form of prostitution, whoring yourself out for money. Thats all it is. And of course Bill kept coming home you dummy. Almost every lying cheating adulterous man always comes home to the wifey, until they get caught, then some leave, or are asked to leave. I do not and will not support adultery from anyone, regardless of being a democrat or a Republican. Its wrong, wrong wrong. And yes, I believe in forgiveness and second chances for everyone. But it seems old Slick Willy burnt up chances 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and who knows how many more. There comes a time when an intelligent person says, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. A wise person learns from their mistakes. A fool repeats them. Bill is a fool, and Hillary is a fool for supporting him while he was murdering their marriage. I have no respect for her what so ever, and I know many women that feel the same way. She makes women all over look dumb, and she prostituted herself for the money and prestige. Thats all there is to it. You can change the colors and try to rewrite things, but what is, is what is, and sooner or later youve got to accept it.

      • vicki

        Denniso writes:
        “I don’t read every post,it’s bad enough to read the thousands I have read over two yrs or so.”

        Then why are you still here?

      • Jay

        denniso: Hillbillies?? White trash??? Bill is a Rhodes scholar,can any of you or Robert Ringer say that? Hillary is a Wellesley College graduate w/ a law degree from Yale University along w/ many ‘first’ accomplishments. Any of the haters above who graduated from Yale? Any of you been a Secretary of State?

        Hey denniso, you forgot to ask one question. Any of you ever had the people that worked for you assassinated, like bill clinton did? Clinton’s may be high on education, but they scrape the bottom of the barrel when it comes to ethics!!! Ha!

      • Dan az
      • Jay

        Dan, i’m downloading it as we speak. Will transfer it to my mp3, and listen to it on my way to work tomorrow. Appears to be very interesting. Thanks Dan!!!

      • JeffH

        Brother Dan…WOW! Very interesting. I added the link to my favs and read quite a bit…WOW! Some real food for thought…to sort out.

        Great! :)

      • denniso

        Jay…what a lie you still want to spread…Foster was not murdered,but comitted suicide because of the extreme pressure he was under at the time,mostly due to people like you and your sick rightwing extremist leaders. You people set up something like his suicide and then try to pin the blame on Clinton…what a freaking joke! I guess you think that even though Clinton couldn’t hide his affair he was able to control the Foster investigation and force the DA to rule it a suicide instead of a Clinton orchestrated murder? Again, what a fresking joke! Do you have any ability to reason at all anymore or have you sold your entire mind to the rightwing lie machine?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And all those other people committed suicide too, that had damning information on the Clintons, and were found with their hands tied and bullets in the back of their head, and it was ruled suicide. Ron Brown was set to testify in court, and his perfectly good plane just decided to fall out of the sky. Stick your head in the sand, but it sure is mysterious how almost everyone who might have had something damning to say, were killed one after another. Ever read up on the Mena Arkansas drug thing? Its mind boggling how all the witnesses and people who saw things, all ended up dead, even some of the lawyers and policemen that were around these people, they might have know something and they were terminated also. You can trust the Clintons, but I assure you, anyone that knows them doesnt, so why should I?

      • denniso

        ‘And all those other people who had their hands tied and shot in the back of the head’??? And what other people are those?

        You’ve lost your freaking mind,Beb…

      • Pat

        no comment on this except..hahahaha

      • Old Henry

        Cooome and listen to my story bout a reprobate named Slick Willy, married to a fellow commie, her friends just cll her Hilly…

        And then one day he wos lookin for some blooow, and in thru the door came yet another hoooo.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Old Henry, LMAO!!!

      • Old Henry

        Glad I brightened yer day Angel Wannabe.

        Second verse, same as the first…

        The Hot Springs Hill Billies. Tax-payer funded swimming pools. Commie movie stars…

      • JeffH

        OH, you just made my day…I’ll be comin’ back to this comment for more laughs! :)

      • independant thinker

        Good one Old Henry. Now if you could work in something about them being pathalogical liers you could have a gold record on your hands.

      • ItsJo

        The Clinton’s “Holly-woodheads, that they used to Raise Lots of Cash”,
        were used, abused, and then thrown under the bus when the Clinton’s finished with them. Just look up what producer, David Geffen said of them-”The Clinton’s are great liars, and they do it with SUCH ease”
        I am paraphrasing here, but that’s the idea. Even Geffen KNEW they were pathalogical liars, who would do ANYTHING FOR CASH. They used that library in AK, to ‘launder cash through’, and didn’t even declare
        their so-called charity organizations’ cash, until it had to be probed
        into. These two “Hillbillies For Cash”, Know ONLY ONE THING-”Power CREATES MONEY”

      • Old Henry

        independant thinker:

        That’s a tuf one. I’be been a workin on it fer an hour and I’ve got Word Docs all over the floor….

        Maybe tonight with some Miller Lite and a scratch pad…

        Now i gotta go do some trim mowin and enjoy the last of summer.

        Ifn I “get er done” I will post it – probably in a couple of days.

        Stay tuned. Same Bat Channel…

      • Old Henry

        ItsJo:

        And powder creates high velocity projectiles…

      • jhhodges

        I would say this to you henry. what comes out of your mouth sounds like hen droppings….you know…old fashioned chicken s**t. Either one of them has more class in their little toe than you have in your entire being.

      • Old Henry

        jhhodges:

        Aw, you hurt my feelings. Now go wax your BMW.

      • Old Henry

        HodgePodge:

        By the way, it did not come out of my mouth. It came out of my keyboard. You gotta watch those things constantly.

      • JeffH

        Old Henry, I don’t think jhhodges appreciates your humor… :)

        Oh well, better to be pi$$ed off than pi$$ed on I guess.

      • Jay

        jhhodes, the clinton’s are stone cold killers! Just ask anybody that’s ever worked for them. Oh wait, you can’t, they’re all dead!!! You’re such a boob!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        hodges,
        Better yet, go polish your brown nose and get over it, they AREN’T GONNA TAKE YOU WITH THEM!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Grabbed another cigar he did, real cool. Next thing you know Willy’s on the college route, giving speeches for a million and thats what he’s about. Yeah, its kind of like that.

      • Al Sieber

        Henry, “I know Slick Willie” he lives 2 miles from me, he’s my closes neighbor thank God.

      • Vagabond

        AMEN TO THAT Beberoni,

      • http://fernhart.com Marianne

        Dear Bebroni,

        Please! Stop worrying about semantics and focus on the only Constitutionalist, honest, consistent, PRO-AMERICAN candidate! He is not even mentioned on the many informative and interesting posts here –only 2– even the Huffington Post says “RON PAUL IS THE ONLY LOGICAL CHOICE”. They probably think that he can’t beat Obama BUT the Californa Republican Party ran a poll that showed Ron the winner over Perry and Romney –GET THIS– COMBINED!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Semantics? Me? Really? Where did you make that connection? And Ron Paul blew it last election when he was invited to the debate, and whinned like a little girl the whole time. You cant be a whiny little piss and be the president. Sorry, it doesnt work. Now Rand Paul, he handles himself much better, but when Ron Paul came across as a whiny victim, I knew he wasnt the guy. And appeasement wont work, and Ron has made it clear he is a pacifist appeaser. Sorry, but its true. I love the platform and the things the libertarian party holds as important to them, but youve got to be a strong leader, and sorry, he just isnt. I wish he was, but its not there. Im sure he is a good man, but I dont see the leadership skills in him. Of course, I dont see them in Obama either, but a bunch of people were fooled and thought they did, and now look whats happened to us. Not good.

      • steve in AZ

        “You cant be a whiny little piss and be the president.” Ex-squeeze me?

        Assphyncter sez what?

        Looks to me like bruv-vah O be doin’ a pretty good job of it.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Steve in AZ,
        you must mean he’s doing a great job of being a pi$$ a$$ whiner as he sure isn’t even a fair pi$$ a$$ president!!

      • Dan az

        Steve az
        Take the time to listen to this!And BTW where in AZ?There is quite allot of us here!

      • Dan az
      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        To Steve in AZ, as much as I dislike Obama, I dont find him to be a whiner or a little piss at all. I find him to be quite the opposite, an arrogant lying S.O.B. that stands right up and proudly tells his lies in all our faces, not a whiny little sniffling like Ron Paul comes across as. I have no doubt Ron Paul would do a much, much better job than Obama, but I also know our enemies would be laughing at him as much as they do Obama, when they see how weak he would be on national defense. He wants to cut the military, and we all see what happened when one, William Jefferson Clinton cut the military and intelligence in half. Hello 9-11. That is what happens when you dont pay attention and keep your military and intelligence strong.

      • denniso

        Our ‘defense’ budget is obscene…Clinton responded to the end of the threat from the Soviet Union by slightly reducing military spending. He didn’t gut the military at all. We still had all of our intell agencies keeping track of terrorists and other threats…

        Remember the packet of info left for Condoleeza Rice upon her arrival as head of the national security agency? ‘Bin Ladden determined to stike w/in the U.S. She ignored it,and the rest is history,but you can’t blame 9/11 on Clinton or on military cuts…that’s bogus.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        denniso,
        you are out of your mind! There were units that, after slick willie got done, couldn’t even meet there TO&E specs. They were lacking repai parts for aircraft, trucks and even tanks!! Slick Willie not only gutted the service, I still say he was responsible for a few of the US deaths at the earlier days of the war!! Then when he left, he tried to steal the White House silverware!! What a low brow A$$!!!

      • denniso

        Our military is at least twice as large as it needs to be. If you can’t see that then you’re more than blind…If Bush went to war w/ an unprepared army then you should blame him,and that was 3 yrs after Clinton was gone anyway. You righties are so thick headed and overtly warmongers,it’s pathetic. Spend all the money you can on military and ignore every other dire need in the country…stupid.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Get a clue denniso. He ravaged the intelligence agencies we had, thinking it not neccessary, and he plundered our military and sold our technology to China [insult removed]. That is how all the muslim terrorists roamed around the country undetected for over 5 years while they were setting up 9-11. And seriously Pal, think about what your saying. Clinton was offered Bin Laden on more than one occasion, and didnt take him. You want to point fingers and place blame, look no further than Slick Willy, the same [offensive word removed] that cause the banks to collapse with his American Dream of everyone owning a house, and backing loans to people who didnt have a prayer of paying them back, and placing a loser like Barney Frank in charge of being the watchdog over it. Real nice move. Always easier to screw something up, walk away, and blame the guy who is around when your tom foolery catches up. The guy was a worthless moral-less leper who screwed things up so bad, and we are still paying for his worthlessness.

      • denniso

        Clinton brought peace to the Balkans w/ losing a single U.S. soldier.

        Clinton left Bush a surplus and Bush promptly gave it away to the wealthy.

        Clinton reformed welfare and under Bush we increased poverty in the country while the rich became much richer.

        You and your kind are blinded by hatred and a hypocritical ideology.

      • denniso

        w/o losing a single U.S. soldier…

      • ChaCha

        And your type … they are plenty dumb too, you know!

    • Vagabond

      Roy I am a product of Noeth Carolina and have considered myself a Hill Bill even back when we were looked on as missfits by somany who thought they were so smart, and I do not even like bill and hill being called Hill Billy.

      • Old Henry

        Well folks, who would ya want coverin’ yer back? A “Hill Billie” or the Clintons????

        Pretty simple choice…

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Ill tell you what, if Obama and the democrats get their way eventually about trying to take everyones guns, I wouldnt want to be the government agents that walk into the Appalachians and start telling folks to give their guns up. They wont make it to the front of the driveway. Hillbillies got my back, and Ive got theirs.

    • Stephan F.

      Mr. West:

      I’m afraid I clearly disagree with the points you make here.

      Mr. Ringer’s use of the term “Hillbillies” is his acronymic method to refer to that disgraceful couple we’ve grown so fond of. (Hill = Hillary, Bill = Bill Clinton). To me, he uses this term in a tongue-in-cheek manner that only Robert can. Anyone who is as familiar with his writing style as I am, clearly knows this is just his use of clever verbiage. Mr. Ringer is a gentleman’s gentleman and in no way would use a disparaging term in an inappropriate manner.

      Secondly, I must say your whole post smacks of “political correctness”, the very term invented by those two immoral degenerates, that I, frankly, am sick of hearing about. Although, I’m sure, you’re well intended; you didn’t quite give your piece the attention it clearly needs.

      • Old Henry

        Thank you Mrs. Ringer.

      • John

        What ever happened to the term “REDNECK” and why has no one used it? You have been doing a huge disservice to true hill people who have always been able to care for themselves and look out for their neighbors.

      • independant thinker

        perhaps because Foxworthy made the term REDNECK respectable.

      • Old Henry

        independant thinker:

        LOL! Eeeee Haaaa!

      • JeffH

        Stephan F., thanks for pointing out the Hill-Bill reference. It was pretty easy to see what Ringer meant.

    • hawkeye

      The name I’ve heard “them” called is Hillbillary. I enjoyed the article and it stimulates a lot of thought. Which Hillary clone is going to be running? The ugly one with the mole on her face, or the papery skinned one with the Stepfordwives eyes? You can see the pictures on here—>http://alcuinbramerton.blogspot.com/2008/01/bilocation-of-hillary-clone-clinton.html Now I’m sure everyone knows that William Jefferson Rockefeller Clinton is the bastard son of one of the Rockefellers, right? They think they will finish wrapping up Agenda 21 for the elite, right? Clinton and Bush Sr. were busy taking up money for all the victims of Haiti, right? Telethons, etc. So REALLY they were putting the proceeds into their own pockets, YES, they are thieves and Liars!! Haiti, earthquake was a “created” earthquake from a nuclear bomb under the ocean. People, don’t be deceived by these Clones!!!

      • Ted

        Hawkeye: Please seek Emergency Mental Health Services STAT!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Right! And Bush invaded Iraq to take their oil. Remember all the oil he took? Oh wait, thats right, that didnt happen. Oh yeah, and Bush and Cheney blew up the World Trade Centers and the muslim terrorists are completely innocent and being framed for it. Right. And Ted Kennedy never took a drink. Someone call the medics, I think he’s gonna crash.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Beberoni,
        Well, Ted never took a drink that wasn’t followed by another? He never saw a drink he didn’t like? He quit drinking at a young age…After they invented the funnel? got smart and invested in the liquer companies so he could support HIMSELF???

    • hawkeye

      Yeah, they are white trash. They could also be clones http://alcuinbramerton.blogspot.com/2008/01/bilocation-of-hillary-clone-clinton.html You tell me if this is so. Oh well….Clone for President…this is America…land of the white trash corrupt politics and political agendas….Hillbillary and William Jefferson Rockefeller Clinton.

      • Dan az

        hawkeye
        Some sites take it to the extreme and you have to recognize them for what they are.But they do carry good facts among the BS like these.
        Richard Holbrooke and Hillary Clinton’s screaming match then went physical. Hillary began to physically attack Holbrooke. Holbrooke defended himself and during the altercation forced Hillary to the ground causing her right elbow to fracture. After her fight with Holbrooke, Clinton was treated at The George Washington University Hospital before going home. She later underwent surgery to repair the damage on Friday 19th June 2009. This photograph here, taken on Monday 22nd June 2009, shows Clinton’s injured right arm. It is said that much of the exchange between Hillary and Holbrooke was recorded by State Department security cameras. Inside the Beltway, Richard Holbrooke suddenly became the most popular person in town.

        Another celebrated Hillary Clinton tantrum occurred back in the 1990s during Bill Clinton’s presidency. Investigating unusual noises at the White House one evening, a Federal Secret Service agent discovered the First Lady in a well-lubricated lesbian sexual encounter with the regular White House prostitute known as Susan. Clinton responded by attacking the agent with a heavy glass ash tray. In fairness, it should be remarked that Susan was never exclusively lesbian in the services she provided for the US governing class. Current CIA Chief Leon Panetta and ABC talk show host George Stephanopoulos both caught genital herpes from Susan at White House socials.
        But the rest is takes it a little over the top don’t you think?

    • AJ

      White Trash at best with a lot of dead bodies turning up around them as they rose to power!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        A lot of dead bodies. And isnt it amazing how many of them had bullet holes in the back of their head, and it was ruled as a suicide. Amazing.

    • Tom

      Agree 100%. They are just trash from Arkansas.

    • David M

      I agree not hillbillies how about thieves, does anyone remember that when the Clintons left office, all of paintings and other artifacts that Hillary tried to steal? She was ordered to return them. Can never forget the Clinton staff all tried to steal bath robes towels you name it off the USS Washington, whjen the Admiral caught them, they all thought they were gifts. Could Hillary win? Never, besides she needs to check in to Betty Ford for her heavy drinking problems.

    • LadyGreenEyes

      Amen to that! They are NOT anything close to “hillbillies”! Too much of those real American bloodlines in my veins to approve of this poor choice of nicknames for that pair!

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