Shiftiness And Doublespeak

September 14, 2011 by Bob Livingston

Some random observations from Monday night’s Tea Party GOP debate in Tampa, Fla.:

Michele Bachmann said she would bring a copy of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution with her to the White House. Apparently, her version of the Constitution omits the 4^th Amendment. How else to explain her votes to renew the misnamed and unAmerican USA Patriot Act? Doublespeak!

Rick Perry fumbled on his response to Bachmann’s attacks on the Gardasil vaccine and crony capitalism. He is vulnerable there. He’s also vulnerable on his stance on illegal immigration. His views on those subjects are anathema to Tea Party voters. He said he was offended that Bachmann would suggest he could be bought for a $5,000 campaign contribution. Actually, it takes more. Like $30,000 in the case of Merck. Shiftiness!

Mitt Romney said Social Security isn’t a Ponzi scheme and that it’s wrong to scare seniors by using the word. Either Romney doesn’t understand how Social Security works (which I doubt), he doesn’t know what a Ponzi scheme is (which I doubt) or he’s lying because he fears facing the truth about Social Security, which is broke and is government-sponsored theft. Doublespeak!

Ron Paul drew boos when he told the truth: that al-Qaida said it attacked the United States because the U.S. had troops stationed in Saudi Arabia, which the Muslims consider holy ground. Tea Party people are still not ready to face the fact that U.S. militarism, bombing and nation-building is not winning friends in the Mideast.

Newt Gingrich would be polling higher if he weren’t Newt Gingrich. Shiftiness!

Herman Cain said he believed the Federal Reserve should be audited. That’s a complete flip-flop from his earlier position. Shiftiness!

Perry and Gingrich also say they want the Federal Reserve audited. It’s a political ploy for them. Shiftiness!

Jon Huntsman told an immigrant from Afghanistan that the U.S. needs to remove its troops from that country. He told the truth.

Rick Santorum called Perry’s executive order requiring girls be injected with Gardasil “big government run amok.” He should know it when he sees it. He continued to defend the Medicare prescription drug program he voted for under President George W. Bush, saying the waste needs to be cut. Doublespeak!

If Ron Paul is unelectable, why are so many of the candidates echoing his positions? Shiftiness and doublespeak on their part!

And here’s a little tidbit for those who continue to insist that Ron Paul is unelectable. In a CNN/ORC poll of likely voters conducted Sept. 9-11, Ron Paul placed third with 13 percent. That’s behind Perry’s 32 percent and Romney’s 21 percent, but Paul is up 7 percent since the last CNN/ORC poll conducted Aug. 24-25.

Clearly, Paul’s performance in the debates — even though he is receiving fewer questions than Perry and Romney — is behind this surge.

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Alex
I’m impressed!Excellent job!Even after all that we will still see that not to many get it!How sad is that?
Alex

First, I’m going to say that I agree with Vern. There are some of us who have been educated on many of our current issues for a long time. The trouble the US is in didn’t happen overnight. But the fact is, people are starting to smell the smoke, and they are starting to see the glow of the fire in the close distance. People are starting to educate themselves. Those who know better have been educating those who want to learn. The message is spreading that out of control spending is not something to merely gripe about. It’s a thing that will spell certain disaster for ourselves and our decendants. The message that we need to return to a constitutional government is resonating loudly with people who are starting to realize that oppression has started to show it’s ugly head.

And now that people are aware of these things, Ron Paul is finally getting a spotlight amongst the people. And as Vern said, the other candidates know that his message is the one that is on the lips and hearts of most concerned Americans. So it behooves them to take his platform.

Unfortunately, since most of them are frauds, they can only support the platform to a certain degree. They can’t commit to it fully. That’s why Bachman, for example, makes a big deal about repealing “Obama-Care” and “Dodd/Frank,” but makes no mention whatsoever about the Patriot Act she voted for, when it’s a blatant violation of the fourth, fifth, and tenth amendments.

Now, the idea that Ron Paul is unelectable is a laughable proposition. He’s only unelectable in the media. If anyone happened to be paying attention, half the time they panned to the off site locations for questions, there were Ron Paul signs everywhere. In case anyone happened to also be paying attention … there weren’t signs for anyone else (except one sign I saw for Herman Cain). The media may be trying to play down Ron Paul, but the people know who he is and what he stands for. The media may skew the polls to show him doing worse than he is, but the people cheer Ron Paul in the forums across the internet.

The things that truly seem to be a difficulty for him directly revolve around ignorant public perceptions. Some say that he’s for legalizing herione. But he’s not. He’s for giving us back our freedom to choose for ourselves, which we had until the The Hague Convention of 1912, which didn’t work to illegalize opiads because of addiction issues, but because of trade problems primarily between Britain and China, and this led to the Harrison Narcotic Act, which was a direct attempt to conform to the Hague Convention. In fact, records show that no real mention of the morality of narcotics came up. The Harrison Narcotic Act was a trade regulating piece of legislation. Through tricky wording in the Act, doctors were imprisoned for dispensing drugs to existing addicts, which led to doctors refusing to supply them. Within six months of the Act being implemented, an entire underworld of drug dealing emerged. Addicts who were formerly able to get their drugs legally, and who were noted to have been socially productive, were embroiled in crime and the less savory aspects of life. But the bottom line is, there were addicts before the narcotics laws, and there were addicts after the narcotics laws. The only difference is that the laws caused crime and infringed upon the liberty of individuals.
Ron Paul also supports getting out of foreign countries. This doesn’t sit well with a lot of people. But the fact is, we’re broke. We don’t have the finances to continue occupying countries for the sole purpose of imposing our will on them. For those who are concerned about Iran having nuclear weapons, let me point out one very painful truth. The United States is the only country in the history of the world who has ever used nuclear/atomic energy as a weapon against another country. The United States has invaded and oppressed more countries globally than any other country in the world. The United States has one of the highest records of using military force. And we presently have one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world. As much as I love my country, WE are the warmongers the world should fear and prohibit from having weapons of mass destruction. Iran has an immediate nuclear threat from Israel. They have every reason to want to be able to strike back. And so far as I know, Iran itself has never attacked the United States. Muslim extremists have, as they have also attacked many other countries, but the sovereign nation of Iran has never attacked us. We need to just leave them alone until the day comes that they show aggression towards us. It’s time to bring the troops home and stop the financial hemmorage.

When you take the time to really weigh the other candidates, what you’ll find, again, is that most of them are frauds. Bachman claims to stand behind the constitution. Yet, she voted for the Patriot Act. She also stands behind the movement to outlaw gay marriage. While marriage itself is an institution of religion (even Satanists get married in a religious ceremony) and out of the scope of the government’s authority, civil unions are not. It is the duty of the federal government to secure the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and to tell people of an alternate lifestyle that they can’t have a civil union is unconstitutional.

Herman Cain, who seems fixated on reforming the tax code, doesn’t seem to recognize that his 999 plan will be a burden on the people. The idea of a 9% income tax is fine, if unconstitutional. The idea of a 9% federal sales tax is fine too. But the problem comes in when you add the 9% income tax and 9% federal sales tax to the 12% state income tax, the federal medicare tax, the social security tax, 6-9% state sales tax (depending on your state), state property tax, gas tax, luxury tax, and everything else imposed by the respective states. Unless his 999 plan prohibts the states from charging taxes, it just won’t work. It’ll just add additional burdens.

Romney voted for the assault weapons ban. That, to me, is offensive. FBI statistics have shown that assault weapons are not tool typically used in crime. As some articles I’ve read have pointed out, this is just a stepping stone to outlawing guns altogether. If they tried to do it in one motion, there would be resistance. But to outlaw things that have been made to appear awful in the public perception helps to desensitize the public to the bans. We’re like frogs in a pot of water. Romney also implemented mandatory health care in MA. It’s unconstitutional. There’s just no two ways about it.

Perry had egg on his face half the night at the debate. He is giving tax money to illegal aliens for college and other services. He is suspicious of a pay to play morality, giving contracts to contributors. He is guilty of mandating innoculations by executive order. He is for the continued aggression in the middle east (which means leaving troops there and continuing the spending of money we don’t have). As Ron Paul pointed out, Perry’s method of administration has caused taxes to go up almost double in Texas. Perry is a waffler. First he’s against Social Security, then he’s for preserving it. The fact is, he says what needs to be said to get the attention from the voting public, but what he does demonstrates him to be a fraud.

Santorum, while a strong and outgoing candidate, supports continued war. We can’t afford it, and the people of the United States want the troops to come home. Yet, Santorum is so strongly of this particular opinion that it won’t matter what the people want, or whether we can afford it. He’s going to continue it regardless. That’s not what we need in a president.

Newt … he’s a smart guy. He says a lot of good things. But his history shows that he has behaved like a chameleon over the years, doing what he pleases when he can get away with it, and pretending to alternate dispositions when he can’t. In short, he has no real conviction. However smart he is, he’s a fake.

Huntsman appears to me to be a strong candidate. I don’t really have a big problem with him. However, I do think his thought to run a fence along the border (which many of the other candidates agree with) is a little unrealistic, and doesn’t really address the problem. The problem is the incentive. If there’s no reason for people to come here illegally, they’ll stop coming. It’s as simple as that. To contrary, Huntsman issued driving cards to illegals, which legitimized them. And I find it more than a little ironic that in the course of actually identifying illegal immigrants, they license them instead of deporting them. We might as well shut down the INS if we aren’t going to deport the ones we find. Instead, we spend our resources deporting doctors and engineers when their visas expire, who came into our country legally and are productive. But the welfare Mexicans and Cubans are given driver’s licenses, free health care, college tuition, etc.

It’s all just a bunch of crap. Ron Paul is the only real candidate, and people need to realize that. Stop harping on things that are genuinely inconsequential. He wants to fix the problems in this country.

Ron Paul 2012!

JeffH

Alex, great post! I was once a huge Bachmann fan, along with Ron Paul but my enthusiasm for Bachmann has waned considerably. Newt is probably the savviest politically and I’m really impressed that he would like to keep all the candidates focused on routing Obama out of the WH rather than beating up on each other. I do believe he is a valuable asset to this process. He seems willing to stay in the race and cares less about becoming the GOP candidate. He’s become somewhat of a referee, if you will, and is willing to rebut the MSM and the moderators.

Ron Paul 2012!
Winnie

Alex, I agree with you. United States is broke and yet it continues to act like money grows on trees. Bring all the military people home and close all the 900 bases. United States has for so long bullied the other countries of the world. The time came on 9/11 when the people should have realized that the Middle East People, except Isrealites, do not want the Americans on their land. US would fight at the first sign of another country putting their military base in any of the states.

Alex

I agree. When UN troops end up stationed on US soil, in my mind it’s time for target practice.

KDavenport

I am tired of them all, and you scare me Bob. Ron Paul may have been telling the truth on what the Muslims are saying about why 9/11 was carried out, but we can’t listen to what they are saying, we have to pay attention to what they are doing. They are following the outline in the Quran. That is to rid the world of all Infidels. That is us in case you’re not sure. Do you know that all over the world, the Muslim leaders were saying that the Jews and our government are the ones that planned and carried out the terrorist attacks on 9/11?? They are saying that 3000 Jews did not show up for work at the trade center because they knew of the plot?? This lie is being told all over the world including the US and the Muslims are buying it. Muslims hate us because their holy book tells them they must, and they are using all kinds of propaganda including lies to get what they want and what their religion teaches. It teaches that eventually the 12th Imam will come back but before that can happen; the world has to be taken over by the Muslim faith and ethnic cleansing needs to take place. I am terrified of Ron Paul and his assertion that we should just leave the Middle East and let Iran have their bomb, and out the other side of his mouth, he says we should back Israel. We can’t do both. We need to back Israel at all costs. Don’t think so? Read the Old Testament. As Americans, I believe we still like to look for the good in people because as a whole, there are more good people in the US. We WANT to believe in what people say. Guess what? You CAN’T believe a Muslim when they say they are not violent, because you have to hear what they are saying through their leaders and what their holy book says. It says that lying to Infidels is OK if it is to rid the world of them. Guess who the Infidels are? Every one of us who is not Muslim. The bottom line is “YOU CAN”T FIGHT CRAZY” and that is what the Muslim religion is. I continue to be amazed at how the left is so OK with all of the Muslim churches, rituals and laws, which teaches nothing but hatred, violation and intolerance, but they are not OK with Christians, when our faith through Jesus Christ teaches morality, love, serving and tolerance. Just doesn’t make logical sense to me.

Karolyn

Get your head out of the same book it’s been stuck in. NOT ALL MUSLIMS WANT TO KILL THE INFIDEL!! Do some research; lisen to some American and other Muslims; read information that is out there. They do not all adhere to the same teachings the extremists do. There is a huge Muslim population born here who want to be Americans in every sense of the word; and there is a growing group of young Muslims in the mideast and elsewhere who want to move into the 21st century as moderates. Your kind of rhetoric only creates more terrorists. Think of the 10 year old Muslim-American boy who gets called a terrorist by his classmates. Don’t you think his chances of growing up to be one are greater?

“JAVOPE”

Ron Paul is the only one that is the same as he was yesterday, today, and will be tomorrow. CONSTITUTION! CONSTITUTION! CONSTITUTION!
Buck

I was pre-occupied toward the end of the debate and missed the most important part . I heard but didn’t see who said he would bring his Harley motorcycle to the white house . someone please comment and tell me , as this is obviously a man who understands TRUE freedom . Thank You
KP

Paul makes a lot of sense re war policy, but his willingness to let uninsured people go without treatment is barbaric. Get the churches to help?…is he kidding!

mrcave

I’m pretty sure that hospitals cannot deny critical care to anybody. In my own life, they have been willing to accept payments over time, and will work with people to reduce charges from normal rates, to discounted rates.

Sure, you don’t get off the hook for your bill, but then there’s that darn “taking personal responsibility” thing again. Then too, there really are charitable organizations, churches, and such that do offer help to the truly in need.

Did Ron Paul say to deny treatment? No.

KP

Hospitals so far do not refuse to care, but someone pays for that care. A few days inthe hospital today can cost seventy,eighty,thousand dollars or more. Churches and chartable organizations are going to cover costs like that? Maybe the hospitals should just go down the basement and print the money. So Insurance or not is another “you pay me now or you pay me later.”

Shyguy2011

Bob – your article and critique of the ‘debate’ about Ron Paul and his foreign policy stance/views has a lot of merit. Unfortunately, during all of the debates I have watched over the years that Ron Paul has been a part of, he spends too much time blathering and debating the moderators rather than taking the time to explain in some detail what he believes we should be doing. He is a poor communicator, period.

Vern Holford

Concidering the time he has, he does a great job. You need to check out his web site. He’s not surging in the polls because he is a poor communicator. His apponents are parroting him because he is resonating and they know he is the one they have to beat.

Winnie

When 9/11 happened, I thought that the leaders of the United States would gather all Americans and concentrade attack on those who took almost 3,000 Americans lives on that date. This being, bringing back all military troops from all bases and use the true might against which I would have assumed to be Saude Arabia and Afganistan. Instead the two idiots in power went after Afganistan and Irag. Those two, Bush and Cheney, must have rejoiced for the change to go after Irag because they would have gone after Saddem no matter what at sometime within their four-year reign. Now the USA will never..
….never be what it could have been because of the the two idiots and their cohorsts.
Aranna

Everyone keeps saying Ron Paul is unelectable, Why is that??
did he not buy enough people? I know the Government hates honesty, but
to me that’s all the more reason the American people should vote Dr.Paul in…I don’t get it…

Stunned at sunset

Forgive me, Aranna: I should have mentioned that I support Dr. Paul and have sent him a donation. I don’t like to think of him as a “Republican” because he hasn’t been bought hook, line, and sinker like the rest of them have and he refuses to cave into “special interests” which is all the more reason to vote for him! And, use the write-in ballot if he doesn’t appear on the voting machines when the time comes. He has to be elected by popular demand!

Stunned at sunset

What can I say, Bob. You’ve said it all. The ruling elite is offering a choice between Democrat-sponsored puppets and Republican-sponsored puppets and they seemed to have infected the attitudes of the Tea Party too! People have to recognize 1984-Orwellian-doublespeak when they hear it. A law that does away with Constitutional Rights and puts us all under Admiralty Law and Commercial Code is NOT something we can call a “Patriot Act.” If the American people really want that law to continue they should give a name that fits like “The Police State Enfranchisement and Enslavement Act.” But, we wouldn’t want people to understand things as they ARE. They need only to understand things as the SHOULD BE.
kammel7

R_O_N_N_Y thank you for bringing your experience to the conversation. My only contention with your comment is that Dr. Paul has been talking straight for decades, it’s just that nobody has listened (& after the last debate, I’m afraid they’re still not listening). But, I’m trying to remain optimistic! Can you imagine anyone even considering auditing the Fed (other than Dr. Paul) just a few short years ago?

Robert A Hirschmann

It’s a real shame that the common folks vote for the ‘pretty people’ rather then the ones that will be best for us. The two leading RINOS are just that, Republicans In Name Only. I’ve been a republican all my life but since the Tea Party started I am now a proud Tea Party member. My choice is Ron Paul because he is the only candidate that will turn this country around. Everyone knows that Obama is leading us towards destruction but just voting republican will not be the answer. We need a republican that will make a difference. We need a leader that will follow the Constitution (as in ‘I swear to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States’) as pledged when taking office. As I see it Ron Paul is that leader. If he is not nominated as the republican candidate I can assure you that there will be ‘business as usual’ in Washington in 2012.

Danny

AMEN
http://PersonalLibertyDigest R_O_N_N_Y

Congrats to Dr. Paul for FINALLY talking straight about US overseas adventures. Americans as a whole are loath to accept that just maybe, just maybe, their own actions cause negative reactions. Having worked for various government agencies for over 29 years, most of which were with the Department of Defense, I echo Dr. Paul’s distinction–there is a difference between National Defense and the Department of Defense. DoD has become a big business for senior officers to build careers and for contractors to make big bucks. Who pays the price–beyond the obvious taxpayers–the fine men and women who give up more than anyone realizes to serve their country. Bring the troops home—from all 900+ overseas bases and let us begin to focus on the problems in this country.

JeffH

2 thumbs up!

http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

Seems that the USA has got lots of problems to solve and with this lot of “candidates” together with Obama and his cohorts, the voters must be getting very anxious about the elections in 2012. So much confusion and so little genuine talent to choose from! Is that what is known as Hobsons choice? What happens when you know that your chosen leaders are both corrupt and incompetent? Is despair the correct word? Desperate times ahead, so buckle up and prepare for what is to come. If nothing surprises you, just hang in there, since you are shortly to be very surprised, shocked and stunned. The worst part is that you will not be able to do anything about it. By placing your faith in any of these candidates, you are about to find out that at the end of the day no one can be trusted anymore and that your desire for “hope and change” is a pipe dream, because folks who are charged with the mandate to govern still do not know the difference between need and want. Most of these “chosen ones” consider need and want to be the same which is why the world is so confused now. What does one do when there are no candidates worth voting for? Forget Democrat and forget Republican, go for the Independent, that could be the best option.
4-just_us

Ron Paul is my only hope to get America back on track.
D.D. Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex, but
America didn’t listen. Our leaders think that we Americans have
a right police the world, invade any country, bomb any country at
any time we want. Were the 600 pound gorilla drunk on power and
control. We have no humbleness as Bush and Cheney have proven.
I have no doubt why some people want to get back at the USA.
http://yahoo skyraider 6

vote for canidates on their record not a smile look at what it got us last time a complete fool
Free Mind

With the exception of Ron Paul, they are all business as usual.

Understand something: The ‘Republicrats’ are a One Party system with One Agenda.

Ron Paul is a prophet and the only real statesman of the bunch. Therefore he won’t be heeded and if a miracle occurs and he somehow wins, he will be martyed.

Resist Authority, fight back.

Al Sieber

I’ll second that!!
Pat

I agree….I have finally figured out that republicans and democrats HAVE THE SAME AGENDA…the only difference being is that the democrats are on ‘fast forward’……..

van

If Paul loses the election, we wil have another globalist in the White House.

Randy Huffey

Van,
Ron Paul will WIN the general election easier than any other candidate. He brings many anti-war democrats, young people and libertarians to the Republican Party. Among independents, he polls higher than any of the other candidates. If the republicans loose the general election it will be BECAUSE they choose another pro-war GLOBALIST ESTABISHMENT candidate ignoring the new potential additions to the Republican Party.

Gene

Ron Paul is neither left or right he is off the planet.

Alex

I’d rather say that he is out of this world. lol
Dan az

So you two guys don’t believe in the constitution huh?Why are you even here?Oh that’s right all the freebee’s that you wont work for and by keeping your alah in charge you can count on another 4 yrs of the same thing.Sorry but if you don’t get your heads out of your azz’s soon you will be working for free as a slave that you are.If you haven’t figured it out yet we are not going to make it another four years and neither are you.

JeffH

Brother Dan, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink, but dangle a carrot under his nose and he will eat, even if he is not hungry.
Dan az

Brother that fits perfectly obummer just keeps dangling that free carrot and they cant see anything but that damn carrot.
JeffH

You’re looking rathe “Husky” today! Do you speak “Malamute” too?
Dan az

Just looooooone Wolf
Dan az

Hey is that Al Gore or is it you?If it is I wouldn’t walk around like that without a face mask!
Dan az

Well?
JeffH

It was Al “Gorged”…but it was so ugly I couldn’t stand it myself. Still shiverin’!
Dan az

Fewwww you had me worried there for a moment!That one was as bad as the pelousy look that you took for awhile,scary chit man

http://yahoo skyraider 6

ok now can this be the beginning of the end for the phoney in the wh let him take holder reid and pelosi with him
Pat

EXCELLENT…..have been a registered republican all my voting life and have voted for whoever the stinkin republicans have put out there for us…(and holding my nose doing it)…..I think this time I’m voting Ron Paul….

SJvet

It’s unfortunate that so many people are going to help keep Obama in the WH by voting for Ron Paul. The problem with Republicans/conservatives is that they never seem to learn, even after shooing in clinton and obama.

Pat

Read Bob’s reply above…..

Also…I think Mickey Mouse could beat obama right now…so lame excuse…
Randy Huffey

SJvet,
You couldn’t be more wrong! We are selecting a republican nominee, this isn’t the general election. Ron Paul attracts many votes from young people, libertarians and anti-war democrats. If he doesn’t win the republican nomination, we will not have these huge new groups voting republican in the general election. If ever there was a chance to elect a constitutional conservative to the presidency, it is now as Obama’s popularity is low and going down. If Ron Paul is not the nominee, we will loose these new additions to the republican party.
If Ron Paul is not the nominee, it therefore could be said it was the ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS that threw the election to the democrats by running a RHINO! Ron Paul is running (for now) as a republican. His support is solid and every vote that switches from an ESTABLISHMENT GLOBALIST republican to him is solid because they have done the research to see that his policies are based on the constitution, not on “I have the better idea”!
Capitalist at Birth

He will not be the nominee. End of discussion.
Dan az

Capitalist
If it were up to just you I would just turn off this computer and give up like you.Your logic is flawed and your attitude is not anything to write home about.I’m glad to see that so many people are waking up to the fact that its people like you that put us here in the first place.
Robert A Hirschmann

Why in the world do you think Obama will beat Ron Paul? If enough patriots vote in Ron Paul instead of the other RINOs that are in the lead, he could win in a heartbeat. I just wish the Tea Party would give him the support that he needs and stop catering to Perry and Romney.
TML

“people are going to help keep Obama in the WH by voting for Ron Paul.”

Non Sequitur
Karolyn

It’s unfortunate so many Americans don’t have the cujones to do the right thing!
Dan az

Karolyn
The odds are against them and they know it.If I were a betting man I would say that Ron Paul will take the seat this time because every person with a IQ over 3 would have figured out by now that we are all doomed if he dosen’t get it.
Bob in Boston

SJ Vet – Ron Paul stacks up best against Obama in most polls, you just don’t get to see that because the media doesn’t want you to. Doctor Paul has an ability to bring in independents, young people, and disenfranchised Democrats (blue Republicans) that no other candidate can touch. A vote for someone like Romney or Perry is a vote for Obama, because nobody wants more of the same!
KP

Blame the media. I am so tired of that BS. If you really know that, prove it with veriafiable FACTS~

Capitalist at Birth

Bob, Your ardent support for Ron Paul will lead me to stop reading your posts. Many of us agree with Ron Paul on the Federal Reserve and sound monetary policies. Most of the people in America do not agree with his ideas on Foreign Policy. It is okay for Iran to have nukes? Are you serious? I would make Ron Paul Secretary of the Treasury, and keep him away from State and Defense. I left the Libertarian Party in 1986 because of their stance on open borders. I voted for Roger McBride in 1984.

http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

Dear Capitalist at Birth,

That is certainly a choice you have. You ask, is it ok for Iran to have nukes? I would rather they did not. However, it is perfectly rational on their part to desire them. After all, their enemies around them have them. Iran has no air force or navy with which to deliver nuclear weapons to our shores. But we are a broke nation; broke because we have our military spread out around the globe meddling in the affairs of other nations.

Ask yourself this question. If Russia decided it wanted to put a stop to the violence in Mexico and sent in an Army to defeat the drug cartels and set up a puppet government that behaved in a way that Russia approved, would that sit well with you? If “insurgents” from neighboring border states began to fight with Russia to try and throw them out Mexico and Russia began targeting those insurgents in the U.S. states, would that be acceptable to you?

I trust you say it would not. What then gives the United States the right to invade or bomb another country just because we disagree with their leadership or the fact that they have people living there who hate the US? Is it just because we can?

Have you even read Ron Paul’s stance on foreign policy, or are you relying on what you’ve read in the mainstream media.

Here is Ron Paul’s foreign policy philosophy from his web site:
* Avoid long and expensive land wars that bankrupt our country by using constitutional means to capture or kill terrorist leaders who helped attack the U.S. and continue to plot further attacks.

* Guarantee our intelligence community’s efforts are directed toward legitimate threats and not spying on innocent Americans through unconstitutional power grabs like the Patriot Act.

* End the nation-building that is draining troop morale, increasing our debt, and sacrificing lives with no end in sight.

* Follow the Constitution by asking Congress to declare war before one is waged.

* Only send our military into conflict with a clear mission and all the tools they need to complete the job – and then bring them home.

* Ensure our veterans receive the care, benefits, and honors they have earned when they return.

* Revitalize the military for the 21st century by eliminating waste in a trillion-dollar military budget.

* Prevent the TSA from forcing Americans to either be groped or ogled just to travel on an airplane and ultimately abolish the unconstitutional agency.

* Stop taking money from the middle class and the poor to give to rich dictators through foreign aid.

Please explain which of those policies you disagree with and why.

Best wishes,
Bob

PS: On securing our borders:
* Make securing our borders the top national security priority.

http://none bob jones

Great points Bob, Ron Paul is the only candidate that stands out with his consistent, constitutional plans and ideas. Most of the other candidates are just the same old crap that most of us have grown so tired of and so disgusted with because of their lack of honesty and integrity and complete disregard for our Constitution. Just like since 2008 with Sarah Palin, the corrupt lamestream media tells us who scares them the most with their drive-by attacks and quite often in the case of Ron Paul, with their attempts to ignore and marginalize Mr Paul. It is obviously very tough for most of the media and most congresspersons to support a man who has displayed nothing but honesty, integrity and unyielding support for our Constitution throughout his life, when they have absolutely nothing in their own lives to compare it to.
Dan az

Thanks Bob
If the media would give him time and stop twisting his words then there wouldn’t be so many people saying the same things that republican at birth thinks.We need to demand more time and have people asking the tough questions to quit cutting him off and rolling their eyes when he tries to explain his stance on issues.This is a problem with only getting half the message.Keep up the good work!
Capitalist at Birth

Nobody has to twist his words. Most people interpret many of his statements as loonacy.
JeffH

Most? Only those that rely on what they here through the MSM.
http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

Dear Capitalist at Birth,

I ask again, which of the above positions do you disagree with?

Best wishes,
Bob
Capitalist at Birth

The second in command of AlQuida had set up training camps in Iraq in 1998, and was in Iraq receiving medical care there from injuries suffered in Afghanistan after we attacked.
Capitalist at Birth

What would Ron Paul have done after the September 11, 2001 attacks? Nothing? Could we have done something else? I would have prefered that we bombed Iraq into the stone age without ground troups. This group of Islamic Facsists is hell bent on killing all Christians and Jews. What would Ron Paul do about that? He said he would trade with Iran. That does not make alot of sense to me. Evidently it does to you. I am sorry for you.
Dan az

CB
Let me think here hmmm The biggest share of our oil comes from where?oh thats right Iran and you think bombing them is a good thing.If Ron paul had been in office on 9/11 there would still be buildings standing!I’m sure you don’t get it but hey its your opinion right?
Sam I am

Do you have any idea how many people die from heart attacks, stroke, and car accidents every year? I mean if the ultimate goal our nation is to protect AMERICAN human life which is the supposed goal of our war on terror, then what are we doing to address the leading cuases of death in this country? Why aren’t we drawling up plans to bomb auto makers and DMVs who allow crappy drivers to drive in this country with depleted uranium rounds? For that matter, why haven’t we forceably gotten rid of MacDonalds and other fast food chains and instead ensure you can only get salads lest more of us die from cancer and heart attacks decades and decades from now? Funny, you don’t seem too concerned about real causes of death in this country, but you are ready to nuke the middle east to avenge 3000 from 911 (that many probably die in car accidents in this country every few days)
Karolyn

I wish all of our armed forces would refuse to fight in other countries! I watched “We Were Soldiers” the other night and cried at all the soldiers who died and were disabled in Viet Nam for NOTHING; and we keep on getting them killed for NOTHING. Just to show we are the big baddie on the block? Going into Afghanistan and Iraq after 9/11 was futile. There will always be terrorists no matter how many we kill or how many of our own are killed.
Dan az

Karolyn
Good movie!Thats the point we are there to make them think democracy is a good thing!Even when were not one either!We go to every country in the world telling them that they need to be like us or die!Now the UN is calling the shots and letting our boys and girls play by there rules of engagement and letting us sit like ducks in a pond.If someone attacks us then we go to exterminate them then leave but thats just not going to happen when we have a prez that takes orders from the UN.We not only give our blood but pay them for the privilege to control the world with our taxes.5 wars now and more in site so when dose it all end?
metalflyer11

The problem for some people not understanding or accepting Ron Paul’s foreign policy is because they very strongly believe the story we have been fed day in and day out since 9/11 that islam wants to destroy America at all cost. To me the war on terror as portrayed by our Gov. through the media is an absolute FRAUD. The establishment needed a new enemy since the Soviet Union was out of the picture. They are leading us to a war that has no end and allways make us think about our SECURITY. Well, if you want great security because the boogie man is constantly in the watch to get us and destroy us then we need to surrender our liberties. But then who watches the watchers. This is why Ben Franklyn made his famous remark: “Those who surrender liberty for security will get neither” To me the terrorists are the people in power who benefit from these wars. Those are the ones to question? Otherwise we are going in the same path as Nazi Germany took with Hitler’s propaganda of the enemy. For them it was the Jews, for us are the Muslims.
Collegeboy

Bob (Livingston) your analysis of Ron Paul’s position makes me think of what he has said – and not how he has said it!
I agree with most of his positions – I still have a little problem with the extent (or, perhaps, the degree) of his ‘isolationist’ statements – but, I guess my main problem is getting past his delivery of his message.
One cannot fault his consistency of message (he has been consistent for years); nor, the insight he brings to domestic and economic policy issues; I have no problem with his blunt, ‘say-it-like-it-is’ style.
However, I still find myself extremely turned off by his strident, nearly fanatical, expression of those principles.
I believe one can have ultra conservative, or even libertarian, ideas and goals; but I also believe that such an “extremist” delivery overshadows the message. One can take an extreme position (relative to the “norm”), but how that position is presented/described can greatly influence how it is perceived.
It is that ‘extremist’, nearly ‘fanatical’ delivery that Dr.Paul uses that scares off so many who would otherwise be inclined to listen to his message.
I don’t question where his heart is – and we know where he stands (exactly as he states it) – but, is he going to be effective in getting those ideas implemented? Are there others who are not quite as ‘four-square’ with what we want done; but who will be better at getting their ideas put into action?
Therein lies the dilema of this Republican primary season.
Dan az

Collegeboy
If nobody is listening or not getting the picture what else is it going to take but get a little louder each time?Hey we saw what a smooth talker got us and all he did is read what he was suppose to.I would bet that if Paul got in there would not be a monitor in the room.When I’m not being heard I ask them to stick a finger in their ear so not to let it fall out when I speak.I guess we cant do that but it would be nice if he had an hour to just speak his mind with out a clock ticking down on his every word.Then maybe he could expand on his Ideas and everyone wouldn’t get the wrong picture.For me its easy I believe in freedom and liberty and truth that evades most politicians and know matter what his policies are what we need now.

TML

“It is okay for Iran to have nukes? Are you serious?”

What you aren’t getting… is that this isn’t for you/us to decide. You can not in one hand say you are for freedom and liberty, while in the other act as a despot against other countries, and not be a blantant hypocrite. Think about it.

BigBadJohn

sorry not going to look it up right now, however, I read a very good argument that once a country become nuclear capable they actually become more stable and less likely to pull the trigger on some radical cause. Because they know that once they have nukes, all the other countries that have nukes, now have that new country included in their attack plans.

Most countries are just looking for credibility and recognition from the world community by pursuing nukes. Iran would never nuke Israel, because they know that Iran would become a glass parking lot.

Vern Holford

So Capitalist at Birth, when did you become a Socialist? Our current foriegn policy is a socialist/interventionist attitude. The money spent on the stupid empire and the wars is killing us.

eddie47d

Now Vern that would make Presidents Johnson,Nixon,Reagan,H. Bush,Clinton,G.Bush and Obama all Socialists using your criteria.
AJ

Eddie they all are Socialists. NWO Socialists. They were all just a bunch of hand puppets.
bob wire

So? ~ just which president does butter your bread pray tell?

They are just “presidents” not rulers! We don’t have KINGS.
Capitalist at Birth

I will not dignify your question with an answer. I am not a non-interventionist. What are you going to do when Ron Paul does not get the Republican nomination? Waste your vote on a write in or vote for the Libertarian candidate? Whic, will only guarantee the re-election of Obama.
Capitalist at Birth

Which
Dan az

ya gotta pay to play!
TML

“Which, will only guarantee the re-election of Obama.”

So are you saying that if it was Ron Paul running against Obama, that you would choose Obama?

Non Sequitur, your reasoning does not follow the premise.
TML

“I am not a non-interventionist.”

And actually he/she said you were interventionalist.
Ron Paul is non-interventionalist.

dan

….speaking of Obama’s Zombies and public-school brainwashed
village idiots for Algore ….I’m still hoping for a little change.
Czars rule over peasants ….here in this Republic,We the People rule over our designated servants.Elections aren’t talent shows or popularity contests…and I don’t give a rip about the opinions of the moderators “hosting” these dog and pony “debates” . I’ll be voting on the record/past performance (ie character) of these potential servants.
Thom Peschke

Ron Paul’s domestic policies are great, but his view of foreign affairs are what is wrong with him. Israel is our ally and Iran wants to kill all the Jews and Christians. So, you may NEED to step in if inaction will result in an impact on American security or lives.
Secondly, people are allowed to shift their views as they learn. 50 years ago, I was a bleeding heart liberal, but the military forced me to see the world for what it is and now, if I was a duck, I would have two right wings! You going to convict me because I learned from the errors of my ways?

Danny

I to disagree with some of Ron Paul’s foreign policy, but RIGHT NOW we need someone to get America back on track. Foreign policy is very important, but when you are going in the toilet, your first reaction is to try to get out of the toilet, and then worry about who was flushing it.

eddie47d

Ron Paul is very pro defense in protecting America. He also sees the folly of posting troops in foreign lands which breeds resentment and escalated wars.
JeffH

Well said and I agree…
http://www,pappymart.com John Hanna

Yeah but Paul said it wrong.
Sure, Bin Laden might not have slaughtered civilians at that particular moment without the excuse of the bases but his ilk will be slaughtering you sooner or later for some other reason even if it isn’t as glaring as bases permitted by his government on ‘holy ground’.
Paul made it sound like it was our fault and Bin was justified in his actions. Any religious fundamentalist that uses the murder stick will be offended at nothing less that complete submission and even then will trim out those that aren’t completely submissive properly.
That’s a big point. Close the base is one thing, appease the likes of Bin Laden is another.
AJ

Ya and lot’s of money for the Military Industrial Complex.

Commonsense

I agree with everything Ron Paul says, including that we need to get out of other countrys’ business and stick to our own knitting. As for Israel, I believe in helping them when they want it. Anybody out there that thinks Isreal is some old dog without any teeth is a fool! Right now we are getting in their way! They are willing to take care of alot of these terrorists if we just let them do it their way. But NO! Got that damn UN BS in the way. People better wake up, stop babysitting 3rd world countries and take care of our selves. Strengthen yourself, watch your neighbors, keep your surveillance sharp, and if some dump in Africa wants to take over another dump, let them. Not our problem! If they come over here wanting to play rough, wipe them from existance and then shake your finger at the world and say quietly-LEAVE US ALONE! And you’d be surprised how fast the others will listen.

ekim

I would have to say that is commonsense !

Cheeky Monkey

The solution to the problem is to elect BOTH the pres. and vice-pres separately. One for domestic policies and one for foreign. During the Eisenhower years Ike handled the domestic policy and Nixon dealt with the foreign policy. Regardless of what Tricky Dick did later in his career, he actually did a pretty good job under Eisenhower. So if we were to pair Ron Paul with someone with a strong diplomatic background – and only Huntsman of the current candidates has that kind of experience – then add a strong Sec. of State – with the intelligence of Kissinger – then we would have a reasonable expectation of a govt. that could handle any situation that may come up. Unfortunately I really don’t see this happening at this point in the debate.

s c

CM, how can you have any use for Kissinger? That’s like saying you’re a hardcore RINO. Kissinger didn’t do Nixon any good, and if he was in and out of the W H at the moment, he wouldn’t be doing anything good for America.
Either you said Kissinger and meant to say someone else, or you have a blind side in your memory that needs to be patched. Guy, it’s people like Kissinger who has made America more like a Third World country since the ’70s. Intelligence, yes. Kissinger, NEVER.

DeJay

Israel is not our ally. Israel controls our government.

Nadzieja Batki

Prove it.
Verus Langham

DeJay, I do not know why anybody of any degree of intelligence would even deign to qualify your comment with a reply…. myself – having felt the urgent need to laugh out loud when I read it, after it failed to digest I had to attack it by saying that the author of those words of pure insanity should never speak when in the presence of truthful men and women because the backlash would be complete and simultaneous. You have made of yourself a laughingstock.

s c

On the whole, I’d say that the above list proves that if you hang around America’s wackos long enough, their brain-stunting thinking will rub off and it will be hard to tell the difference between one group of candidates and the other.
It also needs to be said that if America’s wackos hang around conservatives long enough (500 to a thousand years), maybe some results can be expected. Sadly, when someone is brainwashed at an early age (and fed a steady stream of political sewage), common sense can be lost forever. Speaking of Obummer’s czars . . .

BigBadJohn

It is not just hanging around with wacko’s – it is the whole system.

In order to get votes candidates have to play the pulse of the voting public and promise them what they want even if it is not what the big campaign contributors want.

Once elected, they have keep the campaign money rolling in so they betray the voters trust and do what big business wants them to do.
The big flip flop that has cost American jobs and it’s competitive future. This goes for BOTH parties not just D or R.

EyesWideOpen

What we need to find out about anyone up for election is what organizations they are affiliated with. Free Masonry is the common denominator in the groups that are pushing the One World Agenda: The Illuminati (yes, it still exists), Masons, Shriners, Rotary Club International, Trilateral Commission, United Nations, Council of Foreign Affairs, Bilderberger Institute, Labor Unions, Vatican, and the National Conferences of many Protestant religions! To see a list of the people that belong to these groups just enter “the worlds’ richest people” into your search bar on the internet. These people know that in order to get the citizens of the countries of the world to accept this One World System that they must first crush the economies of each country so that we will accept this system rather than starve to death. But know that anyone that is not part of their group will become enslaved! Just look at what is happening today, open your eyes and see the truth!
john

Eyes Wide Open. the truth and words of wisdom.people,you better take heed.
Thinking About

Eyes you sound like you have a severe case of cant help its and don’t want to. You blame everyone else and don’t contribute anything.
Verus Langham

For EyesWideOpen: What!! You’ve run out of thoughts so now you are into cut and paste…. I read this exact same comment you posted on another article on this site and I must say… I’m appalled that somebody who seems to think to say so much cannot offer new fodder when shifting to another venue of thought.
Ron Paul’s affiliation with/or not the Free Masons has nothing at all about what he presents for we the people to consider, knowing full-well that everything he utters is heard and doggedly pursued by the de-railers, the nitpicks, the cynics, et al. I presume he is a man of conscience because he seems to be one committed to factual matter that he has researched or perhaps personal oversight on – or both, and deigns (in the sense of the word 1)to think it appropriate to one’s dignity/ and not in the sense 2)to condescend or stoop to give or offer) it in our interest to know these things he puts forth. George Washington’s membership in the Free Mason lodge is well-documented and the symbols of that body of persons are used throughout official documents and papers from the beginnings of our Constitutional Republic. The upside of masonry is that they contribute much more than many others in their charitable and social outsourcing of their wisdoms, their expertise, their works. I am no mason, to be certain, but of them I have from long years of observation found them to be the most delightful and intelligent of people – certainly not the threat you seem erroneously committed to making them out to be. Ron Paul is, by all evidences a viable candidate… one has only to hear those last words in this article: ” * If Ron Paul is unelectable, why are so many of the candidates echoing his positions? And here’s a little tidbit for those who continue to insist that Ron Paul is unelectable. In a CNN/ORC poll of likely voters conducted Sept. 9-11, Ron Paul placed third with 13 percent. That’s behind Perry’s 32 percent and Romney’s 21 percent, but Paul is up 7 percent since the last CNN/ORC poll conducted Aug. 24-25.
Clearly, Paul’s performance in the debates — even though he is receiving fewer questions than Perry and Romney — is behind this surge.”
We need to stick to the subject matter, don’t you think?

CJ

I’ll keep saying, you can’t fix a broken system with only faulty parts to choose from. Unless we get a choice of someone who is really intent on FIXING it the right way, our elections will be little more than eliminating the worst of the bad options we have to choose from. As long as people vote strictly on self interest and not the greater good, nothing will change.

eddie47d

Excellent CJ.

Verus Langham

Yet another Darwinian evolutionary construct if ever I heard one. It hasn’t taken the Democratic Party nearly that long to evolve into a socialist’s dream and a patriot’s nightmare… wherein all sense of civility and statesmanship have lost their meaning and the rule of the day is that if a Republican conservative Tea-Party(er) Christian voices it it must be one of “America’s wackos.” Those of you who believe that our “brain-stunting thinking will rub off and it will be hard to tell the difference between one group of candidates and the other” may just be onto something… something wholesome and worthwhile should overturn even the worst case scenario (and it won’t take “500 to a thousand years” to accomplish) wherein all commonsense and straight-thinking men of conscience cannot negotiate their ways through plain-spoken and truthful commentary without using denigrating tactics and rely instead upon flash-mob mentality. What next… attack and destroy all who oppose our personal views?

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