Cawmun:

I’ve watched the libs in battle. When I was in Vietnam we had a good sprinkling of libs in our unit due to the draft. When the shooting started, most would be hidden carefully behind trees, praying. They only became atheists when they got out. As someone once said, “There are no atheists in foxholes.” If they fired a shot at all it was by shoving their gun around the tree and blindly blazing away.

That’s why I’ve never been really conserned about them. Their real intention is not to fight us anyway. Instead they want to ORDER the military and the police to do it for them – and they actually expect them to obey.

Reminds me of Rosy O’Donnal. She is a raving anti-gun nut – but she goes everywhere with armed guards. What is the difference between carrying a gun and hiring a gun? The fact that they don’t have to actually pull the trigger while they are running away.

Well, if so, he’s in good company, lol:
http://www.youtube.com/user/mackenziefegan

Those “lousy” years included 4.6% unemployment, $1.85 gas, 56 CONTINUOUS months of positive GDP growth, etc.

It all started to turn to $h!+ when Nancy peLOUSY and Hairy Roid took over both chambers of congress and then put Chris d’Odd and Bonnie Frank in charge of banking.

And now after totally bankrupting the country by shoving Øbamacare down our throats and failed stimulus, Øbama wants to turn his re-election efforts over to organized crime chief Jimmy Hoffa and his hired thugs and goons.

RIGHT!

I know down here in the hills we would love to see some union dogs try to take our rights away. Watched both my parents jobs takin overseas or closed due to the unions. I think its time for a good cleansing. Locked and Loaded. Union Boys set an appointment.

As usual Eddie, you would be mis-informed. Keep your head in the sand. It’t not even worth trying to discuss facts or anything of merit with you.

“I hate to tell you James but few union members are forced to pay dues so that was a nice fairy tale.”

And just what unions would it be that let you join and remain a member without paying any dues?

Exactly, Buster! And there are some shops where people are required to pay dues even if they refuse to join the union. For example, in the school district where my wife teaches, from teachers who do not become members the NEA affiliate collects 80% of what their dues would be and calls it an “agency fee” (for negotiating the contract which sets the salaries and job rules for everybody in the district), and those persons don’t get any of the union’s services (grievances, etc.) by not joining.

eddie47d says:
September 7, 2011 at 9:43 am
I hear that the Tea Party is only 12% of the American people yet they have the Republican Party running scared. So who is doing the arm twisting to make them shake in their boots. Unions have nothing on the Tea Party tactics. I hate to tell you James but few union members are forced to pay dues so that was a nice fairy tale. Also there have been no violent acts by the panthers as you stated.There could have been but it never happened.That also was wishful thinking by the Right.

*********************************************************************

47d,
I’ve around unions my whole life and I never met a union member that didn’t pay due’s. You don’t pay due’s, you don’t work.
Who do you think your fooling?

Never had that problem while in the union for 40 years. It was an open shop and there were about 10 who didn’t belong to the union and gee no tires slashes. They didn’t have to pay dues but if they got into trouble the union had to represent them as according to company policy. They got the raises and benefits the union fought for and even got representation. ( In other words they knew it and took the union for a free ride)

Thanks to unions, a car worth about $10,000 costs $20,000.

Why is the bottom line always about money?

Alex – People have to be able to afford goods and products to live.

Have you figured out an alternative?

When are the corporate Elites going to realize that?The workers give and the corporates keep on taking.

coal miner, i think what your trying to say is, union worker’s are to dumb to work, if the conditions are to bad, refuse , you A$$ wholes need to take responsibility of your own life, or hire a babysitter, unions will go down and so will pigface with cigar and hat above !!

When are the corporates going to go down Don? When will they start working and stop stealing from our economy?

Oh!! My God!! Just who the he!! do you idiots think owns these corporations? You do? Union workers are paid employees, period! The people who own these corporations and businesses are the people who invest their hard earned money in them. Do you unionists ever think about that? I own stock in a couple of companies. That means that I own a partial share in those companies. I own them! I put my trust in the people who run those companies so that I can get the benefit of their hard work. You want to get all the benefits and perks that come with owning a business, then go start one. You will work your hiney off with 12 and 14 hour days, no holidays, no vacations, no perks until that business is solid and making a profit. Oh, and you hate corporations so much. Well, I have news for you! Stop buying food, cars, electronics, clothes and gas. How dare you purchase anything from these evil corporations, you hypocrites!

What is the salary of anyone who has influence in the political arena? That includes the Chamber of Commerce and corporate executives. Let’s expose them all and see who has the most power over whom. The do nothing Congress doesn’t seem to be doing their job for anyone and someone needs to kick them in the pants. I would’ve hoped that Hoffa could have been more civil yet we need someone to wake up the morbid and lackluster performance in Washington. A few of you say that Washington needs to be taken back by any means( refreshed with blood) so you should love the tough talking Hoffa. At least he is not spilling blood like you advocate.

Eddie you are truly shameful. What, are you really surprised at this latest hate mongering rhetoric of the left? LOL

Song; How about all the slander from Ann Coulter and the Right. Do you have a clue shameful one? Heck I can pull up a few shameful ones right here on this page and on each and everyday.

eddie eddie eddie, these are the union thuggs you are protecting, what a shame, atleast call them out and demand a retraction. God only knows this President and the unions are deviding this country even more then before. Now we have the CBC calling out blacks to attack all white’s and for what, because of the color of their skin, you need to open your eye’s and see that the demoncrats have you and the minority enslaved to them and government welfare programs.

You are an odd ball Brad. The CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Company) is calling on blacks to attack white. No matter what CBC you are referring to I think you are full of it.

To Kate8:
No offense ma’am but will you knock it off with the paranoia, PLEASE
!?! You know, as stated in an earlier post on this subject, views such as this is why we conservatives will be trounced in 2012. If anybody is acting “Nazish” then that would belong to Tea Partiers.
They constantly verbally, sometimes physically, attack immigrants, gays, blacks, jews, along with women. As a responsible conservative, i’m going to have the integrity, and make my mission to end the Tea Party distortion of my party. The Tea Party is the equivalence of the
HIV virus to the conservative establishment. I apologize for making such an extreme statement yet the truth has to be revealed. Thanks!!

Tony – Excuse me, but you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. I will not be silenced by EITHER side just because you are uncomfortable with hearing certain things. If people had stood up and spoken out when Hitler was doing the same things, perhaps some 20million people would not have died.

YOU can call me paranoid. But really bad things are afoot by really bad people, and someone has to be willing to sound the alarm, even when they get accused by people like you.

And I am not the only one here who sees what’s happening.

BTW, check this out. Tell me if the Left isn’t WAYYYYYY of of line.

Rats.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/09/07/tea-party-zombies-must-die-video-game-shoot-kill-glenn-beck-other-conservatives/

Liar!

No one should make shoot to kill videos on anyone. Yet when Jeff H brought up a shoot to kill game against illegal immigrants(over a year ago) there were a few who thought it was a hoot.So there are sad desperate people on both sides of every issue Kate.

eddie47d,

You seem to be using the words “union” and “workers” interchangably. However, there are plenty of us who are workers that are non-union, but we are not ANTI-union. I grew up in a union household. My father was in a union; one that did a lot for him. I was also in a union for several years, and mine did absolutely nothing for me except take too much money from my paycheck, never come around or hold meetings, and save the job at my workplace of two individuals who stole from our company! The only time any union officials did come around was when we were deciding whether or not to vote out the union, and interestingly enough, the managers at the store repeatedly, within a 3 week time frame, had the windows in their cars smashed. Never happened before, and never happened again afterwards.
These are not “tactics” that occur at Tea Party events.

Nice hyperbole, but Unions got me nothing. In fact, I have a better compensation package from my non-union employer than any union member I know. And what the unions did nearly a century ago has long since been unneeded. Unions do nothing but make the rich union leaders richer at the expense of the “working people.”

Bravo!!!

HOW ABOUT THE UNION BOSES GO FIND A jOB, SO THEY CAN WORK, THEN THEY CAN TALK!

What a bunch of BS. Unions are needed more than ever now. Toyota is non-union, and look what they did to all of us. The icon of non-union shops really screwed everyone so that their executives could continue living “high hog”. My grandfather worked for Ford before the union. The original Henry Ford hired a union buster named Harry Bennett. No one really knows how many people he killed or maimed. You all ignore what the coal mining industry did to their workers so that the owners and executives could continue living on the “high hog”. If the unions are busted, LIKE THE REPUBLICANS WANT, then the CEOs will get $100 million a year and ALL of you RIGHT TO WORK STATERS will get a $1.50 an hour, with NO BENEFITS.

To Polski:
Right on my man!! I’m a conservative myself, yet these Tea Partiers don’t get the message. As a matter of fact the Tea Partiers will be the reason Obama gets re-elected in 2012. Thanks!!

Nobody knows how many people have been killed or maimed by Unionists, Polski. Largely because their Cronies in Government ignore their crimes.
Union Violence:
http://redstate.com/tags/tag/union-violence/

What have I been missing? I just don’t get why the TeaParty is being blamed for the lack of jobs.

Can someone explain this to me? Because it just seems to me that if we had less government intrusion and lower taxes, jobs would begin to come back.

Obama wants all jobs to be government jobs, exclusively. The unions are a strong-arm of government, whether they will admit it or not.

Polksi,
It’s 2011, please update yourself. I was in a union, they did nothing for the workers except collect due’s, due’s check off and look out for themselves. I’ll keep my non union job with better bennie’s and treatment and not have to pay for the job.

Well Kate 8 if the Tea Party is the ones attacking unions and want to destroy them or make them ineffective then the lowering of wages for working people can then be tied to them. As unions disappear so do good wages in those types of jobs and those attacking unions are making it easy for companies to get away with it.

Polski,
All the Unions do is make the Union leaders more money. You are serving a false god.

Few union leaders make buckets of money and most are paid pathetic wages so get off your high horse.

Polski, I also have been a union member and the unknown and misinformed always rant and rave in their efforts to degrade unions. In the past years of decreasing union membership and targeting states getting laws passed “right to work”, wages have decreased and income has stayed flat. All the good and wonderful things which was going to occur has failed. Tax cuts sure has not helped creating jobs but unemployment has stayed high so that does not work either. I look around to our young workers whom do not make enough money to provide for their families. Until Hoffa puts out maps with crosshairs I am not going to worry about his pep rally speech.

@ David H Your quote {DaveH says:
September 7, 2011 at 12:56 pm

Nobody knows how many people have been killed or maimed by Unionists, Polski. Largely because their Cronies in Government ignore their crimes.
Union Violence:
http://redstate.com/tags/tag/union-violence/}
No wonder why Verizon rates are high Union drives up the costs. and cry baby polski and big ed and other Libs will deny and make excuses for unions when the union scum try to commit murder, business owner John King was shot and almost killed for being non-union! And Libs flapping their yap that businesses move overseas to avoid Unions, They don’t want to pay these scums sky high wages & benefits, the unions protect lazy workers, it drives the cost of goods and services up! some things are true some business will move overseas for cheap labor it’s not unions or high taxes and over regulations that forces them out it’s just greed for cheap labor costing americans their jobs, These companies needs to be taxed heavily because of their greed. Yep I’ll buy foreign car that is non union made their quality is just as good as American counterpart and it’s cheaper than union made cars! I’ll buy American made cars when they get rid of the unions so US auto makers can compete with the foreign auto makers, When you buy over priced union made products, the $$ goes to the greedy goons plus you are helping the union slugs contributing money to the Democrap party, That’s why I will not buy union made products.

Stan Smith,
You are so very right.
These people that love the unions but hate the corporations needs to get off their high horse eddie.
Without most of these corporations the people who supposedly are working for them wouldn’t have a job or a salary, but oh how these union lovers hate corporations. They probably hate them because the Corps wants them to work and the unions get them out of so much work.
My experience with union members are they are a mouthy bunch of lazy people, and from the ones I see on this site, its just drives this point in further.

Polski
The unions were created by communist, and now we have a communist president that supports everything anti-American.
Unions should never have been allowed in the states, because of the extreme corruption in their creation.
the BS that it saved America from child labor and horrifying working conditions is just that, BS.
There has always been terrible owners of business, but those do not last long. As a business owner, I am only as good as the people I employ, and treat them with the respect that I would expect.
This is the fact of good business.
On the union dole, the real workers are discouraged to do thier job, so the lazy, useless thugs can get away with the union rule, of doing as little as possible, and making the most for it!
This is not the American way, this is what has destroyed America.
Unions, welfare, social services and everything else that was created by the communist that now rule America.
It doesnt work, just like you.
If you want communism, go live in Russia, China, Venezuela, cuba or any other third world country.
We the people are getting tired of your ideals, and if you want a fight, you came to the wrong country.
I look forward to the day the commies that now control the media, ghettos and white house come looking for a battle, because they will not expect what right stand for!
God Bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

The corporations have had low taxes and deregulation for 30 years now, and the only new jobs are in China, Brazil, even Canada. All from US companies that send entire plants and all their jobs to these other countries. The only good jobs left are in unionized industries such as mining, railroads and water transport, government and American auto companies, and they are disappearing as fast as the companies can move them. If the GOP and their masters get their way, workers in the US will be paid like Chinese and CEO’s will be megamillionaires, and those that want America to be a third-world country will finally have what they want. Be careful what you pray for, you may get it

Jana and Void are saying you have a place in life and if you don’t like it too darn bad. Corporate executives can rip this nation off with unbelievable scams yet a person who is getting shafted by that corporation needs to roll over and accept the power they possess (because “they provide jobs”). No one needs to accept second place if a company doesn’t pay well or the conditions are lousy.That is why unions came about to give respect to the workers. When unions were formed those conditions were miserable to frightening so thank you unions for giving the little guy a voice.There are still companies in America that needs unions. Now there are those who want to shut down that voice while the overpaid executives make off with those millions.Corporations are only as good as their workers and it’s too bad we still have a few who haven’t received that message.

No, Eddie, it is people like yourself, who have voted for Big Government and the protection of their special interests, who have doomed people to a “place in life”. The burdensome rules that have been imposed on the marketplace have stifled many entrepreneurs from attempting to get ahead in life.
If you don’t like their pay and the working conditions, Eddie, then seek employment elsewhere or pool your monies with your like-minded Unionists and start your own companies. Show them how it’s done. Put your money where your mouth is.

Stan and Jana, when you count all you believe have been killed by union members and then start counting all employees that have been maimed and killed by corporations and poor work place safety and see which number is larger. You have a pipeline full of untruths and misconceptions who want you to believe their story and too many falls for the lies told.

We union people did pool our resources Dave and we stood up to management and asked for good wages and benefits. It turned out to be a great place to work. Without the union our lives might have been much different. I have no regrets for helping to make our jobs better for all who worked there even for the management. It was a win win situation.

@Thinking About says:
September 7, 2011 at 7:09 pm

{Stan and Jana, when you count all you believe have been killed by union members and then start counting all employees that have been maimed and killed by corporations and poor work place safety and see which number is larger. You have a pipeline full of untruths and misconceptions who want you to believe their story and too many falls for the lies told.}
You can live in a fantasy land all you want! The unions did good we got labor and safety laws wages laws ect. that was in the past! You can make excuses and make up lies two cover up the crooked unions! The unions out lived their usefulness, Now they are more corrupt than ever as the Govt we know today! Even if the unions never existed we would still get labor and safety laws when working people march and protest in DC. The unions don’t give a squat to the working people all they want is money and power. and Libtards believe Repubes will get rid of the safety and labor laws It will never happen people in this country will say NO WAY! Unions needs to be neutered their greed and corruption needs to be stopped! Workers in the unions have no say how their dues are spent! If I was forced to join the union because I have no choice I need the money to support my family! I be Pissed my dues going to support the Democrap party and Union fat cats getting rich off our backs and recruiting Illegals to screw the American workers! So continue living in fantasy land! The truths hurts all Libs can’t stand it!

You only wish it was hyperbole. My CEO gets a lot better package than I or any of the other union members can get. He gets $19 million a year. He makes more in 1 year than any of us union folks get in our entire career. I’m sure that it never occurred to you anti-union folk that the one making decisions about what the company is doing is the corporate CEO, not anyone in the union……NAH, THAT’S TOO MUCH COMMON SENSE FOR YOU ANTI-UNION FOLK.

P, how does it feel to have a ‘union boss’ who’s doing his best to act like a corporate CEO? He’s happy to let you and your friends have what amounts to peanuts, and he gets to see his bank account grow every year. I thought you and your union bunkies hated that behavior.
Let’s see. It’s WRONG when a corporation CEO does it, but it’s RIGHT when a union boss does it. Hmmmm. What is the word that describes that behavior? And you, in your wisdom, are willing to look the other way while you’re bending over and pleasing that union boss.
Oh, now I remember. It’s called hypocrisy. Look it up, bubba. By the way, your union boss doesn’t have to worry about retirement. He’s already there. How’s your retirement scheme working out for you? You’ve been had, chum.

If your CEO gets a better package, Polski, it is because the company owners, who invested their money and put in the long hours and sacrifice to make it successful, voluntarily pay that CEO his better package. Contrast that to the force and coercion of Unionists who will picket to drive away customers and replacement workers who would be glad to have the jobs that greedy Unionists turn their noses up at. I’m not even counting the property damage and muggings that we all know go on at the hands of Pushy Controlling Unionists. That’s the thanks that company owners get for giving the low-lifes a chance to make a living.

SC needs to name one CEO of a union company where the union boss makes anywhere near what that CEO makes. I would bet it would be much less than 1/16th of what that companies honcho makes.

Dave H needs to get over that pity party for them CEOs he likes to gloat about. The greedy and pushy are in their ranks and it’s been smelling for a long time. This nation has been sucker punched by corporate America for too dang long but what the heck. They have their lawyers to cover up their bulling.

You, Eddie, need to get over your thieving coercive ways.

Perhaps your conception of compension executatives is a little off. Lots of executives are on different boards and they go to the board meetings and vote raises, etc for their cronies in return for having been voted for outrageous salaries, etc for themselves. Then it is the excuse “the board voted for my increase”. It is a thin line and easy money.

Here’s a little “common sense” in kind.

So someone wants to gripe that the CEO gets paid big bucks, that the CEO makes the decisions….

First, I will acknowledge that not all CEOs are worth the money they make. In a free market (if the government would stop rewarding bad CEOs), those bad CEOs can tank a business or end up unemployed themselves (if the board of directors figures out it is in the best interest of the company).

So we’ll start with that. If a bad CEO can tank an entire company into the dustbin of history, wouldn’t you choose to pay good money for the best CEO you can afford? Oh, wait. I think you would choose the cheapest CEO you can get and roll the dice? Based on your complaint about the big bucks they make. You know very well that if your CEO is making bad decisions that everyone down the chain can start to pick up on that and it can effect the morale of the entire company. While a good CEO makes a real positive impact. Take my current employer, just before I was hired on they went through bankruptcy and “lost” a CEO that was overspending the company funds. Now they have a new CEO making gobs of money, but the company is also making a profit now and turning around ahead of schedule. The staff might complain about the big money the CEO makes, but almost all of them would choose this CEO over the past one. Sure, there are a lot of complaints about perks that the prior CEO passed out that are gone. As I mentioned, however, the past CEO spent the company into bankruptcy. A big morale boost with the newer CEO when he can declare that we are actually making a profit within a year of bankruptcy.

Second, and this one involves math, which I trust you can do math since you clearly can figure out that a CEO makes more money than the average worker…. Company A pays the COO big bucks (do I have to explain what the COO is?). Now the COO and CEO of Company A teamed up and bought majority shares in the company because they had a plan to expand the company but the shareholders were afraid to take the risk. Now that these two had a majority stock in the company, they had the majority vote on the board (CEOs don’t always act in a power vacuum). Well, it so happens that not only does Company A now implement the plans of the CEO and COO, the expansion is extremely successful implementing their proven strategy in new markets. Now big enough to sell on the stock market, the CEO and COO decide to sell the company to a trusted investor (translation: they made sure the company buying them out would actually do right by the business). The purchasing company offered the COO a wildly nice package to stay on with the company. The purchasing company deduced that the key to the companies success thus far and great growth was the CEO-COO duo. Deciding that it was in the best interest of his personal health, the COO decided it was time to retire from that line of work. Was the COO being overpaid? Now I haven’t given you a single figure to work with here. So why would I claim that you would need some math? Well, here’s your math. To do the one job of the COO who retired they ended up hiring three executives. Now there’s your math. Think hard upon it. Was it cheaper for them to pay big bucks for one COO? Or is it cheaper and more efficient for them to pay good money to three executives? We like to think we are as bright as the CEOs, or as knowledgeable, but only a few of us seem to realize that if the CEO is really worth their salt then they are worth the big bucks too.

I happened to be the son of that COO in my story here, which is why I knew this story. He never did disclose to me how much he made. All I ever knew for certain that he spent as much on groceries to feed his family of eight children as some families earned (we ate a lot–I should know I was the biggest eater of the lot and somehow I was still skin and bones as a teenager–too bad that didn’t last as I became fat as an adult and had to learn some portion control). He worked his way up from banker to running a small business for his father. After he proved himself with the small business, then his father trusted him to become vice-president and COO of the family big business. When my father was a banker, he saw first-hand the impact a bad manager could have. That bank lost a lot of good talent, including my father, when a manager stole credit for all the work of others. Sure that manager worked up through the ranks fast looking great and all, but when the real talent was abandoning ship, it wasn’t long before the bank was in trouble. They then identified the rising star as their real problem, got rid of him, and righted their business. However, as you should be able to tell in this story, the good talent had already moved on, and some like my dad found opportunities to make better money and show off the skills and talents they had. Do I have the skills and talents to repeat a path similar to my father and grandfather? Don’t know. But I do know from their examples that some of these executives that we complain about making big bucks are really worth every penny they are paid and perhaps some more than that. Good CEOs and COOs do get noticed, and other companies do offer good money to encourage them to work their magic for them instead. My father may have retired from the family business after working with the CEO to expand it significantly, but even as he knew that employees complained about his wages, he did tell me that at any given moment he usually had at least one or more offers to do the same or better for another business.

Amen Brother. It’s obvious the apple didn’t fall far from the tree with Hoffa Jr. The rhetoric and he even looks a lot like his dad, even smokes cigars, probably Cuban. I wondered how long it was going to be before he and the bats and axe handles came to the front. I was a union member with Boeing, not by choice, and the only thing I got from 3 strikes was an increase in union dues, 3 cents of every nickle I got in raises went to the union. And then they have the gall to file suit against Boeing for taking over a defunct plant in the Carolina’s and keeping people working because it happens in a right to work state. I haven’t seen any complaints because GE and Ford, along with others, moved plants out of the country. Boeing paid the best wages and benefits of any company in the industry before the unions came in. I believe the unions have long since outlived their usefulness in any industry in the US.

Searcher,
Amen and amen!

I doubt if Boeing paid the best wages before the union came in. Unions aren’t needed where the wages are good and the safety issues are are taken care of. 3 cents out of every nickle?! Now I know you are pulling our legs.

Good post Searcher and spot on! I guess that since Boeing’s South Carolina plant will be union free, there will be no strikes or other tricks to slow down production. One company that unions really want is Wal-Mart, but it is union free till this day. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

LOL, it’s way too funny how the communist mind thinks. How a worker deserves the same pay as the owner of the company. How demented these morons really are. Now I fully understand why Obama is president. Why Al Sharpton has his own show on msnbc. Why we have a national holiday for one of the most corrupt communist in America (MLK). Why the communist Black caucus in Washington get elected year after year. Why the blacks on death row get another chance to beat the system. Why corrupt politicians of the “African” persuasion can get away with knocking the Tea Party, but if one Tea Party member says a single negative word about them, the “racist” label flies. Why it’s ok for black caucus members in congress to fly to Cuba, have a lunch with a similar communist and come back stating how wonderful Fidel is, yet slander and spew lies about the “White Tea Party” and suffer no consequence. Why blacks can stand at voting booths with clubs and knives, and be protected by our government. Why Hollywood has turned black. Why 70% of black children are born out of wedlock. Why 70% of America’s prison population is black. Why blacks are converting to Islam by the tens of thousands every year.
Because the same communist that have created the eddies, polskis and every other clueless moron in America have also created a gang of American Haters of such strength that I really don’t know if the damage can be undone. These thugs are all products of the union label, the communist label.
Any intelligent Black, White, Spanish or whatever knows how great America was, and how pitiful America is.
This is not a black problem though, it’s all of our problem. We have wasted way too many trillions trying to make up for a problem of the past. Slavery is over. Communist use this BS to keep us divided. The ignorant and haters of America love it.
Those who want to save America need to organize. Boycott, Boycott, Boycott! Boycott any company that supports these anti-American communist. Boycott GE, boycott hollywood, unions, media, NY times, banks, magazines, the white house, everything that is communist, stop supporting.
God Bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

Unions didn’t get anyone anything that they could really use. The day of the Unions is over. People with kids need more flexibility in their schedule (I sure do), because that 40 hour straight work week doesn’t always work for people who have to pick their kids up from school. The 1800s was a really good time for unions, but if I’m on a job and I think that I should go on ahead a do a job that isn’t mine to do in order to finish what I need to get done, I don’t want some union idiot telling me I can’t do it. Keep your benefits, I’ve learned to get the benefits on my own.

Yeah. They still had 5 year olds as chimney sweeps getting burned to death or maimed. That’s all the good stuff that you had before unions. I wish that all of you anti-union people could get on a science fiction type of TIME MACHINE, and be transported to a time before unions were formed so you could be in NON-UNION HEAVEN.

Polski,
where are the vast lines of people eagerly pushing and shoving to get into unions?

You area communist propaganda pusher. Period.

Polski,
Child labor is a typical Union Propaganda technique. The truth is that children aren’t likely to be unionized, so the Unionists wanted their competition out of the workplace.
Here is some reality for those who want the blinders off about Unions:
http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=511

Even a moron knows that in order to clean the chimney, the fire has to be out.
We had a forman that said, if we wanted to work four 10 hr. day’s, we could have a 3 day weekend. But the union sad if we did that they had to pay us two hours of time and a half each day. Well, we had to go back to the 5 day work week.
I’ll never join a union again, never ever.

Then Jibbs you should have stuck to your guns and kept pushing the issue.I’m assuming that no one would have been working on that fifth day for that would have brought up the overtime issue not a 4 day work week.

Eddie47 – The number of days worked vs. the 40 hours has nothing to do with it. It’s the fact that he would have worked 10 hours in one day vs. 8, thus time and a half for the 2 hours over the usual 8 hour shift. And yes, everyone had a specific job, I don’t know about every industry but at Boeing when I worked there, if you did someone else’s job, regardless of reason or how menial you got a reprimand from the shop steward if someone turned you in. Second offense got you a fine from the union, third offense got your union membership revoked. The union couldn’t fire you, but revocation of membership, meant the company had to because it was a union shop. God bless free enterprise and the right to work.

Searcher,
I was on loan to Boeing for about 3 weeks. They were using very inefficient techniques and when I dared to show them a more productive way, the Unionists came unglued. The supervisors wanted me to stay after my 3 weeks were up, but I told them it was too hard on my health to work in such an environment.

The Right to Work is a conservative scam to get anyone to work for less and to accept crappy conditions without complaining.

DaveH,
Most union workers are lazy and worthless.The I will only do one job mentality. The ONLY ones singing their praises are the other lazy workers.

Jana needs to thank the unions for those paid vacations she gets. Few were given out before unions were formed.

Here, so that Eddied won’t have to exert himself, I will re-post the link that tells the true story about the evolution of benefits, not the Union Propaganda story:
http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=511

Is that the business side of what they didn’t do but always think they were generous when they weren’t. Until the unions stepped in and put pressure on these businesses to do much better.

Pressure, Eddie? I think you meant Coercion. So let’s look at the situation:
1) Man (or men) get together, risk their money, work long hours to create a viable company to sell product to voluntary purchasers. In the process they provide jobs to others who won’t do the sacrifice necessary to do the same.
2) Men get together to form a coercive gang to bite the hand that feeds them, as well as the consumers, replacement workers, and taxpayers.

Which kind of people are principled and which are crooks? Duh.

You are so brainwahed I don’t know where to begin. I did work my job on Labor day. I didn’t get the day off with pay.
Nobody is lazier or expects more for less than Union people and of course government workers.

What products are you talking about? Everything I see is manufactured off shore because Unions have made it too expensive in the US.

I worked a unioin job once for 2 wks. I had nothing to do one afternoon so I cleaned the bathroom. I got in trouble because it was someone elses job description (obviously that union someone wasn’t doing his job). I quit and went into the free enterprise system where I could be rewarded for my productivity (that is another word for an honest day’s work)

Let’s face it; union workers are only one step above welfare losers

So you’ve worked for 2 weeks? Big deal, I’ve worked for 55 years. My grandfather, father and uncle worked for 45 years. You don’t know diddly.

Polski says:
September 7, 2011 at 10:52 am
So you’ve worked for 2 weeks? Big deal, I’ve worked for 55 years. My grandfather, father and uncle worked for 45 years. You don’t know diddly.

**********************************************************************

You had to work for 55 years? WOW, I guess those union wages and pension are not with sh!t, if you have to work til you die.
LOL, HEHEHE, ROLMFAO…..plus you had to pay the thugs just to have that job, ahhhh hahahaha, WTF WOW they sure duped you!wooohooo!!lol

Not everyone has/had a cushy job like you Jibbs and you are one of those that claim that union members are making much more than non-union jobs and have it so much better. Maybe that isn’t so true with that lame attack against Polski.

eddie47d says:
September 7, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Not everyone has/had a cushy job like you Jibbs and you are one of those that claim that union members are making much more than non-union jobs and have it so much better. Maybe that isn’t so true with that lame attack against Polski.

*********************************************************************

47d,
I never had a cushy job as you claim. I’ve always “worked” for my money. Please share where I made the claim about who makes more money.
I’ve been a carpenter over 30 years, and over those same years I drove a Semi when the trades lay-off. Hmmm, I don’t consider those cushy jobs. I have had my fair share of cuts, scrapes, jabs, sliced, pinched, smashed ect, ect. to my toes and fingers and never missed a day of work, never filed an injury claim and called in sick maybe a handful of times……handful means 5 or 6! I have /do freeze in the winter and broil in the summer, and show up everyday.

I have been smart enough to spend my money like a wise owl. We own our house outside of Chicago free and clear, never missed a payment(it’s rented now to my nephew), We own our house in Missouri free and clear, no payments. My truck is a ’97 F350 diesel that I use for work, my ’05 G6 is paid for free and clear. Hell, my puter is from 2004.
Did I mention that my wife worked just as much as I did…about 60 hrs. a wk. running two mill cabinet companys and her own consulting bus.
It’s not how much money you make, it’s what you do with your money!
Now, those investments are paying off and we can relax alittle and work for fun/extra income.

We plant a garden every year, save out money, do canning, dehydrating. We also compair prices on everything we buy to get the best price, never had to have all the new bling or latest electronic toys. I coulden’t tell you how many months upon months that I worked 7 days a week, so we could scrap and save every dime we could. And yes, we have many nice things, and are prepaired for what ever happens. We did all this so we wouldn’t have to work til we die.
We did all this for us and our three daughters.

I now work with a friend installing fences and overhead doors and cutting roads/driveways on private property here in Missouri.

BTW, I forgot about all the side jobs I did back in Il. when things were slow in winter time const.
I’ve been working since I was 14 and am now 48. Tell me, what you did to improve life for you and your family?

Now don’t blame me because I was smart, and some work til they die, and don’t blow smoke up my azz about how great unions are. I’ve been there and I know whats up. And please stop yourself from being a defender of unions…. and no more half triths about “not all union members pay dues and the low wages down south….it’s easy to get payed what your worth. Education equals more money, not the feds setting minimum wage laws.

That’s great Jibbs but some of you love raining on somebodies elses parade because they aren’t up to your standards. Unions leveled the playing field for allot of workers in companies that weren’t responsive to the work they were doing. This is 2011 and most companies don’t need unions but that doesn’t take away their(unions) accomplishments. Sure there are lazy union members as there are crappy bosses. We didn’t improve the work place by sitting on our butts and every single American has benefited by the efforts of unions. If unions get out of hand they do need to be told so and the same with corporations that have taken advantage of our generous free enterprise system.

eddie47d says:
September 7, 2011 at 9:00 pm
That’s great Jibbs but some of you love raining on somebodies elses parade because they aren’t up to your standards. Unions leveled the playing field for allot of workers in companies that weren’t responsive to the work they were doing. This is 2011 and most companies don’t need unions but that doesn’t take away their(unions) accomplishments. Sure there are lazy union members as there are crappy bosses. We didn’t improve the work place by sitting on our butts and every single American has benefited by the efforts of unions. If unions get out of hand they do need to be told so and the same with corporations that have taken advantage of our generous free enterprise system.

*******************************************************************
Eddie,
once again you didn’t provide answers to my questions about the words you put in my mouth. Just like dem or repub, when asked about what they claim, they change the subject…why?
I noticed that Rick Perry did the same thing on the GOP debate when asked about(supposed)global warming.

You hit the nail on the head!
I wish it was Hoffas head…

My first reply was to Free mind, not the commie polsky..

Well said, Free Mind!

Private citizens working in the Free-Market and business Entrepreneurs MAKE America… and we prosper, Government Employees and Unions workers DEMAND America cater to them… then it’s bye-bye American made goods … and we collapse.

Christin,
Right on.

You all need to read a little history of America,What made this country great indeed was the American worker ; working for American Corporations like the steel industry the auto industry the Coal industry etc,etc.The thing about most of those American Corporations they believed that the peasants (Blue Collar Workers) deserved as close to nothing as humanly possible.Just enough so they could continue in work but no more then that.By the end of the 1800 the peasants had enough of company homes, stores,towns,etc,etc.Why this sudden turn on the master,education the peasant could read and write and realized they were not being treated fairly.Meeting did not go well between the Master and the Peasant for the Master felt that giving more to the peasant WOULD CUT INTO PROFITS so the master did a lot of evil things to the peasant.The peasant did not cave in and that’s why we as American workers were doing so good for so long.
Remember the Corporate motto “Profit over People”

SMSgt Z retired Nam 68,
please share with us what union you were in, or do you only repeat what you hear, see, or read. You and most people that stick up for them, have most likley never belonged to one. For those of us that have, it is first hand knowledge. What do you bring to the table?

We blue collar workers are a dying breed Sgt and the unions who gave them and us a leg up are dying too. The Tea Party is already dancing on the graves of those who fought to get the “peasant” out of the working class and give all of America a decent standard of living. Those who denounce the benefits that every American gained from unions deserves the 3rd world status they are taking us down too.

Free Mind – I know what you mean.

When I was just starting out in life, I had a clerical job with a rather small plumbing and electrical company. The warehouse workers were all union.

One day during lunch, I dropped my (then very expensive) hard contact lens down the restroom sink. I went to the guys and asked if they’d take apart the drain for me so I could retrieve it.

Well, they were willing, but the union forbade them from doing ANYTHING until after the lunch hour.

Of course, by that time it was long gone, and I had to fork over another couple hundred bucks for a new one, which was about 2 weeks wages in those days.

Was this the mentality that has eliminated the humanity concept when it comes to business? Wait. It’s now everywhere.

Possibly you treated the warehouse workers like dirt most of the time so why would they do you a favor ?

SMS – Why would you say something like that?

I was 18 years old. I have never treated anyone like dirt. The men in the warehouse would great guys…in those days they were the same as the rest of us. We were all friends. Illegals hadn’t invaded us and taken all those jobs yet.

That you would make such an assumption of someone you know nothing about confirms my notions of who YOU are. Just another liberal troll.

Kate8,
I am sure there were a lot of others that had similarly bad experiencs with union people. Unions take and initiative that a person might have and quash it. How sad.
Why are we NOT SURPRISED that SMSgt Z retired Nam 68is a union man. His values like some others on this blog are so distorted.
These people make unions their religion.

…and Ms Jana sarcastic makes corporate greed her God!

eddie,
When you have something substantial to say, and quit acting like a 10 year old girl, I will respond to you. I will not let you drag me down to your level with your snarky remarks.

…and the Sgt shouldn’t have to put up with your snarky remarks. See you tomorrow.

Hey Rob… you might want to give the entire quote by Hoffa … you dropped the part about how union members should go to the polling place and vote the “SOBs out” … but then Jimmy didn’t use the verbage of Dick Cheney when he told Pat Leahey to “shut the F— up!” on the floor of the Senate ..

Polski, Are you Polish? If so, let me enlighten you on something. Yes, the unions worked to bring you better working conditions, better hours, more pay, paid vacations, good health care and more but at what expense? All of these benefits you got ended up costing someone something. Guess who! It ended costing the consumer. That’s you and dme and everyone else who buys anything from bubblegum to tubless tires. The benefits you receive cost money and that means that the products you manufacture or the services you provide have to charge more to pay for your benefits. So, my friend, everyone in the United States of America had to chip in to pay for the demands that your union demanded for you and your co-workers. Now, today, these demands have driven the prices of U.S.A. products so high that consumers can no longer affore them and thus manufacturers have decided to move their plants to other countries where there are NO unions and they can produce their products at a more competitive rate and guess what that means? It means lost jobs for Americans. THAT’S WHAT YOUR UNIONS HAVE DONE FOR YOU AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO OUR NATION. Union demands have crippled the United States ability to compete in the world marketplace. That’s what you people need to see and understand. I doubt, however, that will happen as long as you have your union bosses telling you how great they are and much you need them.

That pile of pension money and union dues is pretty tempting to the union leadership and the fear of losing it is a real threat to thier ego’s. The poor working stiff is caught in the middle, do they just work for the greedy CEO or souless corporations, or do they hand some of their hard earned money to a union and get screwed over by them? Its a tough choice but the numbers of today suggest that most workers trust their employers more than the union bosses.

Dear Bear! You explaned the thing to the commie Polski as plain as possible. Hope he will understand, on the other hand….?

Thanks Greg
What I really love is the tenure bit. You know, that time in the life of a union worker where he is fully vested and can’t be fired? That’s what is really cool. Now we have a bunch of “sit on their hands” guys and gals who are virtually non-productive and you can’t get rid of them and create jobs for people who want to work. Just some more crap from those good ole unions. I’m sick and tired of hearing union people talk about their unions like they mean something. These people are so brainwashed and crap fed that they will never get it. Tell them to try and stand up to one of their union bosses sometime and watch what happens to them. Union leaders don’t like anyone to correct them or even tell them they are wrong. There have been people who have mysteriously disappeared after such encounters with union gangsters.

What is really happening Bear is that these American companies who didn’t want to pay a decent wage and wanted more profits for themselves,not the workers, can now exploit other workers in these foreign lands. I doubt if they are treating these new workers any better than the previous American workers. I bet they are treating them much worse and getting away with it.

Eddie,
Work standards in other countries are not the same as america for sure. The price of any single item is not the same either. In those countries where American corporations have fled, prices for the same product you and I buy here in the U.S.A. is much lower. In some cases, less than half the price. Still it is cheaper for the corporations to make the procucts in another country and import it to us where we still pay a higher price for it. The corporations have merely cut out the unions and those dollars that the unions would be getting. Eddie, the unions greed is the root of the problem. Why else would they take a bunch of workers, put them on a strike or walk out for a pay raise that amounts to nothing more than a few dollars a month? The worker stays on strike for a month or two and will never recouperate the money he lost by being off work during the strike but the union bosses will have a pay raise to them in the package because they always get a percentage. It’s like the lawyers. Tey really don’t care who wins. They’re still going to get paid.

No, what it does is take money away from the CEO and the other executives. You probably are too young to remember Studebaker. They took all the pension trust fund money in about 1945 and used it for the company and the executives. That’s why they passed laws protecting pensions. So now the companies don’t have pensions at all, so the CEO and the executives get all the money. You’ve probably heard of Social Security. The reason there is a problem is because the politicians took the money collected for social security and put it in the General Fund, instead of leaving it in trust so it would work like an insurance. Well, company CEOs and executives do the same thing with the cash flow of the companies. Except instead of going into a general fund, it goes into the CEO’s pocket.

Maybe you’ve heard this joke. So the company’s vice president is saying to the CEO, your idea to make everyone a part time worker so we don’t have to pay benefits will really make US a lot of money. The CEO says to the vice president…..US?

I know, I know, that’s too complicated for you…..LOL……

Look, the companies charge whatever they can for their products, and the difference between what it really costs them to produce that product and the price they get for it is their profit…agreed? I guess you wouldn’t mind working all day for about 2.50 like a Chinese semi-skilled worker gets for a ten hour day? Oh yes, you forgot that some companies are now outsourcing the jobs from China to Vietnam, the people’s paradise where they get 13 cents an hour for a 12 hour day, 7 days a week. If you think these Corps are going to tell the truth about how very productive a Union shop is, or even how much each widget costs, I’d like to sell you a Led Zeppelin and watch it fly away! And some say the Union workers are stupid brutes? Think about that every time you fly on a Boeing jet, they are Union, except for the parts made in China now. On second thought, maybe you should drive, a Ford. Union and NO Government Bailout!

Unions got me no benefits, Polski. They increased their wages and lessened their productivity at the expense of the company they worked for, at the expense of potential replacement workers, at the expense of the consumers of that company’s higher-priced products, and at the expense of the taxpayers who had to foot the bill for the Government’s protection of the Unionists’ special interests.
Unions have done nothing but cost our economy Trillions of dollars.

Polski, I have a job that takes me to various factories where cars and heavy equipment are manufactured. The union “workers” I meet there are neither educated nor dedicated to quality. They drag out the production as long as possible, they sabotage the assembly line wherever they can, they complain if I do any work, even though I was called in to fix equipment they know nothing about. I know that you and other union apologists are going to sneer about what I have said, but years of personal experience have given me a close-up view of what goes on in union shops.

You must be talking about South Carolina, a right to work state.

UNIONS ARE COMMUNIST PURE AND SIMPLE!! You get your yearly pay raises and healthcare and pensions at the expense of taxpayers. I haven’t met but a few worth the money their paid. I’ve been a union member, and a steward. Unions look out for the lazy, worthless people who call on the stewards at the drop of the hat when they’re caught sleeping on the job, or late more than on time, or when they can’t be found to do their job. Unions ski, ARE the Problem. Unions are bankrupting America. Unions had their place nearly a century ago but now you all can go. Keep a job on your own merit, see if that’ll work for ya. Wisconsin has learned and got rid of you bastards now look how well the state is doing!! RIGHT ON GOV. WALKER!!

templer; Take your Fascist talk to the dump where it belongs.Pure and simple.

Ed Your Libtard quote {templer; Take your Fascist talk to the dump where it belongs.Pure and simple.}
Why don’t you take your union Fascist talk elsewhere, All you do is squawking like a parrot! The truth hurts Libtards like you can’t take it! Why should people pay to keep their jobs?? It’s a Union mafia legal way to extort money from workers!

Oh Boo Hoo Stan!

Oh poor little eddie union scum! I know scums like you are jumping for joy When your union thugs shot John King! Better get a life and wipe your ass with reality! Libtards like you blah! blah! making excuses!

Do youvremember a company named Enron? In case you forgot the executive managed to ruin it, lies and schemes and telling their employees to continue to invest in Enron knowing they had put this company in ruins. The 401k turned out to be worthless and to go through the bankruptcy the ececutivaties stayed on with big salaries until there was not any money left. This is just one example of executatives stealing from a company and I would classify them as less than worthless. Don’t pin all problems on union workers.

Evidently, you did not work in the auto industry, where my non union technicians had to spend hours trying to ferret out some sabotage problem perpertrated on a new car by some “SKILLED” union employee. I have personally heard a “SKILLED UNION WORKER” from a steel plant brag about how he slept seven hours during his eight hour shift. As for Jimmy Hoffa Jr., he could suffer the same fate that his virtuous father did in the past. I thought he was talking about taking out Obama when I first heard his vitriolic speech.

You remind me of a person I used to know that said, “I have to admit, you’re wrong”. SHEESH!!!!

You must get that a lot, Polski.