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9/11 Questions (Almost) Nobody's Asking

September 5, 2011 by  

9/11 Questions (Almost) Nobody's Asking

Sunday will mark the 10-year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. And although the official version of what happened that day has more holes than a Revolutionary soldier’s sock in Valley Forge, it is now accepted as fact and without question.

The reason for this goes back to what I wrote last week in Prima Facie. There is no inquiry by the American people. What their “leaders” feed them is automatically believed to be true.

Conventional wisdom has it that 19 hijackers of Middle Eastern origin — primarily Saudi Arabians — outwitted the vast United States intelligence network and the worldwide intelligence network for months while preparing to carry out the largest attack ever on American soil. The attack was planned from Afghanistan by a bunch of cave-dwellers and financed by the son of a Saudi billionaire who had an ax to grind with America for occupying Muslim holy ground.

The 19 hijackers conducted extensive training, including learning to fly — but not land — airplanes so they could pull off the attacks. The hijackers split into four teams and, armed only with box cutters, each overpowered the crew and a planeload of passengers and hijacked a plane. There weren’t 20 hijackers and four equal teams because one of the hijackers, Zacarias Moussaoui, was in jail in Minnesota on an immigration violation.

During the ordeal, passengers used cell phones and airplane seat-back phones to call loved ones to tell them of their plight.

After two of the planes struck the towers of the World Trade Center and erupted into huge fireballs, the passport of one of the accused hijackers was found, intact, lying on the sidewalk, virtually unsinged and undamaged but soaked in jet fuel. This “lead” put the FBI on the trail of the hijackers and their co-conspirators right away.

The fires resulting from the crash, fed by jet fuel, brought down the two towers within hours and even brought down an adjacent building that was undamaged by the planes and had sustained only minimal fire damage.

In a field over Shanksville, Pa., a group of passengers decided to overpower their hijackers and regain control of the plane. One of the passengers, Todd Beamer, uttered the now famous words, “Are you guys ready? Let’s roll,” according to a customer service representative Beamer had reached while using a credit card phone in the back of an airplane seat.

As the passengers wrestled with hijackers for control, the aircraft plunged into the ground in a field and disintegrated into millions of pieces, most of which were small enough to fit into a carry-on bag. The largest piece found at the site was a section of fuselage about the size of a car hood. A section of the engine was found more than a mile away, and debris from the crash was found as far as eight miles away, blown there by the prevailing 10-mph winds after being tossed into the air by the crash.

The fourth airliner crashed into the Pentagon’s wall, leaving an impact hole about 20 feet wide and only slightly higher. Again, only small fragments of the plane remained after the crash and ensuing fire.

Although the South Tower of the WTC was the second to be struck at 9:02 a.m., it fell first, pancaking down in its own footprint approximately 57 minutes after the plane flew into it between the 78th and 84th floors. About 29 minutes later the North Tower of the WTC collapsed. It came down at 10:28 a.m., one hour and 42 minutes after it was struck between the 94th and 98th floors. It also fell straight down into its own footprint.

The attacks killed 2,996 people: airline passengers, building occupants, rescue workers and the hijackers.

By 3:30 p.m. CIA Director George Tenet had fingered Osama bin Laden as the culprit (thanks to the miraculous find of the terrorist passport), telling President George W. Bush and his National Security team that a check of the passenger manifests had turned up the names of three known al-Qaida operatives.

At 5:20 p.m. WTC Building 7 collapsed. It had suffered only minimal fire damage, but the official word is that fire caused the building to come down.

Three days later, Bush was standing atop a pile of rubble at ground zero making a speech through a bullhorn. A rescue worker yelled out that he couldn’t hear Bush. Bush spontaneously replied, “I can hear you! I can hear you! The rest of the world hears you! And the people—and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon!”

On Oct. 7, less than a month after four hijacked airliners crashed into the WTC, the Pentagon and a field, the “War on Terror” began in Afghanistan with the purported goal of dismantling the al-Qaida terror network and finding and killing bin Laden.

On Oct. 26, 2001, Bush signed into law the Uniting (and) Strengthening America (by) Providing Appropriate Tools Required (to) Intercept (and) Obstruct Terrorist Act of 2001; aka the USA PATRIOT Act. The Act passed the house by 357-66 and the Senate by 98-1.

On Nov. 27, 2002, a commission called the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (9/11 Commission) was formed to “prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 attacks.” It was also charged with looking into preparedness and response to the attacks.

The commission issued its final report and closed on Aug. 21, 2004. In a nutshell, it blamed failures on the part of the CIA and the FBI and said had the agencies acted more wisely and more aggressively, the attacks could have been prevented.

Case closed for the media and the vast majority of the American public.

But there are questions, many questions. And fewer and fewer are they who are asking.

In the months leading up to 9/11, the United States’ vaunted intelligence agencies lost track of 19 foreigners, most of whom had overstayed their visas, and could not catch up to them even though some of them were living with FBI informants and others were enrolling in flight schools where they sought to learn to fly — but not land — airplanes. They were living the high life and not showing any evidence of trying to hide. In July 2001, according to an article in Germany’s daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies received warning signals through the Echelon spy network that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons against important symbols of American and Israeli culture. Yet we are told the attacks came as a complete surprise. How could this happen?

Recent papers released by WikiLeaks indicate that in the weeks before 9/11, American intelligence services were on the trail of another group of five men with terrorist ties who were staying in California. They slipped away in the days after 9/11. Were they a fifth team of hijackers who did not complete their mission for some reason? How were they able to escape the massive U.S. dragnet?

Two days before the 9/11 attacks, the “Lion of Panjshir,” Ahmad Shah Massoud Khayin, who was the leader of the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, was assassinated by two suicide bombers posing as journalists. In the early morning hours of Sept. 11, a van occupied by Middle Eastern men pulled up to The Colony Beach and Tennis Resort in Florida, where Bush was staying. They said they were there to interview the President, but didn’t have an appointment. They were turned away. Are these two incidents related?

Two hours before the planes slammed into the Twin Towers, two employees of the Israeli instant messaging service Odigo received messages warning of the coming attacks, according to the Israeli publication Haaretz. Who sent the messages and why? Who else was warned ahead of the attacks?

At 8:44 a.m., during a working breakfast on missile defense with Congressional leaders, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld predicted a terrorist attack would come, saying, “Let me tell you. I’ve been around the block a few times. There will be another event.” Did he know about the attack in advance?

How did that passport of Satam al-Suqami survive the crash? The plane was exploded into a giant fireball upon impact with WTC 1. Yet the passport exited his pocket or luggage and fell unharmed to the ground near the tower, where it was spotted by a passerby and turned over to police despite the bedlam going on all around? How is it that his was the only identification found out of all the passengers on the plane?

At 8:50 a.m., four minutes after the first plane struck, Tenet was made aware of the crash and realized it was no accident. Yet there is no indication he made an effort to stop Bush from making a scheduled appearance at Booker Elementary School in Florida, despite the danger he may have been facing were a highly coordinated attack being carried out. Before entering the classroom, Bush paused to speak with then National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice. Later, Bush said he learned of the first crash before entering the classroom when he saw the plane crash into the building on television. There was no video of the first crash until much later in the day, and the school principal said there was no television in the area that Bush could have seen anyway. Why this discrepancy? Was Bush lying?

According to media reports, a number of the passengers on the hijacked airliners supposedly used cellphones to call loved ones and authorities. But cellphone technology in 2001 didn’t allow the use of phones above 10,000 feet. How were the calls possible?

Witnesses reported seeing a white jet that looked like a fighter plane trailing United Airlines Flight 93, and a sonic boom was reported in the area over Pennsylvania. Was there a second plane? If so, where did it come from?

Some witnesses also reported seeing Flight 93 on fire before it crashed into the field. Why were these witnesses hushed up and why weren’t they allowed to testify for the 9/11 Commission? What was the plane they saw and did it shoot down Flight 93 upon orders from Vice President Dick Cheney?

If the plane flew into the ground intact, how did a large portion of the engine fall more than a mile away from the crash site? How did lighter debris wind up as far as eight miles away?

In the days following the attacks, at least 60 Israeli citizens were arrested and held secretly — some of them with ties to Israeli military and intelligence. Fox News’ Carl Cameron was the first mainstream reporter to break the news. It was weeks later before other mainstream news outlets picked up on it. His four-part series that provided evidence that the Israelis had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks has been scrubbed from Fox News’ website. Who were these Israelis, what did they know and what became of them? Why did Fox News scrub the stories?

The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) is tasked with protecting American airspace. Yet even though the Federal Aviation Administration notified NORAD of the hijacking of American Airlines Flight 11 at 8:38 a.m. and other flights in the minutes that followed, it wasn’t until long after the last plane hit the ground that NORAD planes showed up. Where were they and why did NORAD sit on news of the hijacked planes for several minutes (which NORAD admits to but won’t explain) before scrambling any fighters?

When the 9/11 Commission tried to get answers to these questions, NORAD stonewalled and its representatives lied. What were they covering up and why? Why do they continue to stonewall to this day?

Firefighters and reporters arriving on the scene of the WTC fires claim to have heard numerous explosions before the buildings collapsed. What caused the explosions? Were they deliberately set to bring down the twin towers?

How did fires cause two skyscrapers to fall? It’s the first time fire ever brought down a skyscraper, and it happened to three buildings in one day. Why did they pancake down as if in a controlled demolition? If fire weakened the support beams, as the official stories suggest, why didn’t the towers fall to one side or the other rather than pancake down as if in a controlled event? Many engineers and architects at AE911truth.org say it could not have happened as we’re told. Why are they being ignored? Better yet, if these architects and engineers are lying about their theories, ask yourself what they stand to gain from lying and what is their motive?

Traces of an explosive called thermite were found in the rubble of the WTC and melted steel was found beneath the columns. What is the source of the thermite and what caused the steel to liquefy? Burning jet fuel does not reach a temperature high enough to liquefy steel.

What caused WTC Building 7 to fall?

The maneuver required to fly an airliner at the trajectory of the one that hit the Pentagon would be difficult for an experienced pilot, and some of the air traffic controllers watching the flight believed it to be a military aircraft at the time. How did a terrorist with limited — and by all accounts very poor — flying ability pull off such a maneuver without crashing into the ground prior to reaching the Pentagon?

Why was the hole in the Pentagon wall too small to accommodate an airliner — both in width and height? Why were no identifiable parts of a Boeing 757 found at the crash site? Why was an engine turbofan from an A3 Skywarrior found at the crash scene? If Flight 77 did not crash into the Pentagon, what happened to it and its passengers and crew?

In the weeks and months after the attack, men alleged to have been the hijackers and supposed to have died in the attacks began turning up alive. At least seven of them have been seen since 9/11 and one was found to have died prior to 9/11 in an airplane crash. What is the explanation for this?

Why did Bush begin talking to cabinet members about attacking Iraq while the Afghanistan attack was being formulated?

If we attacked Afghanistan with the intention of defeating al-Qaida and killing Osama bin Laden, why are we still there? Al-Qaida is no longer in Afghanistan and bin Laden is reportedly dead.

Why did the Pentagon participate in a cover-up and attempt to mislead the 9/11 Commission?

Why do members of the 9/11 Commission believe there are still many unanswered questions regarding the events of that day? Why did Commission members say they believed the Commission was set up to fail? Why have there been no charges of obstruction filed against those who stonewalled and lied to the Commission?

Did someone or someones in government or within some shadowy quasi-governmental agency participate in or facilitate the attacks? Was it a coup against the Bush regime? Could that explain Bush’s seeming confusion and his trips crisscrossing the Southern portion of the U.S. before going back to Washington, D.C.? What other lies are we being told?

Why aren’t you asking some of these same questions?

(Other sources include: http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j030802.html, http://www.911timeline.net/, http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/booker_time.html, www.prisonplanet.com, 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made In USA.)

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan

    Ok, Bob. So who ordered it and who carried it out?

    • Erin

      Google “New World Order” and “Bilderberg group”

      • BrotherPatriot

        ^^ Bingo! ^^

        This will lead you directly into the Illuminati and their international platform that they infiltrated, the Masonic influence.

        This then will show how it all branches out into the variously named organizations and ties together into the same Agenda. This Agenda has purposedly taken over countries (including ours) news media, entertainment industry, governments both federal and state level, right down to the local town council meetings, teachers and virtually all aspects of our lives.

        Over the years they have then brain washed their own children, sent them off to the high end schools like Standford, Princeton, Yale (Skull & Bones) and once graduated…they slink off into positions of power throughout the world to further the Agenda. They now control or have great influence in virtually all facets of our lives.

        Read the book, “Brotherhood of Darkness” by Dr. Stanley Montieth if you want a clear idea of who, what, when, where, and why.

        Continue to not just research the truth but to let your family, friends & neighbors know the truth of what they have been getting away with for so very long. Only by living in the light of God can we break free from their yoke of bondage that they have enslaved us all with by their greatest tool at their disposal…money. It has been said by them that they care not who makes the laws if they control the money supply…and how so true that statement has been.

        God Bless.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Allan,

      Of course, I can’t say for sure. However, I would suggest the old axiom, “Just follow the money,” would serve you well. Ask yourself who benefitted from the attacks. Then look into the way the resulting war was conducted and the vast security apparatus that sprang up in the aftermath of the passage of the USA Patriot Act. Contractors and mercenaries were used to prosecute the war. Corporations like Blackwater (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jAqi52uxmDuXNiy0ow7iBt7kozTg?docId=CNG.3a332cc9163298e765315951dca6d16d.301) sprang up. The officers of these mercenary companies are all current or former CIA and they have profited greatly. There are people inside the Congress or administrations past who benefited from the government contracts involving the increased security at airports and train stations. Some of them I mentioned here: (http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/freedom-concerns/intelligence-ties-to-the-underwear-bomber/)

      The FBI and CIA have long employed patsies to do their bidding in order to achieve their goals. I suggest you study the “USS Maine”, the Gulf of Tonkin incident and the “USS Liberty” incident, just to name a few incidents of false flag events. For the shadow government agencies, people (even Americans) are expendable if they stand in the way of their goals. For them, the end (profits and power) always justifies the means.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • http://0 krupin

    Wow! ONe reason that I’m not asking any questions is because I had always trusted our leaders. Until maturity reminded me of their humanity and human failings. NOw, I do question things, however, as far as 9/11 goes, I can still see the towers burning and people jumping out of windows. I am still very traumatized enough to be in morning for this horrific event. Thank you for raising my awareness to these matters. How can we continue to trust anyone anymore, what has happened to our Great Country and those whom we could trust to lead us in the path of truth and justice????? How can we begin to regain what we have lost? Krupin

  • DeJay

    Those of you who believe 9/11 was a terrorist attack are fools with blinders on. Probably paid by the government to make their stupid uninformed statements. What wasn’t mentioned was that the cloud from the twin towers was concrete dust and could only happen from explosives.

    • Karolyn

      “Probably paid by the government to make their stupid uninformed statements. ”

      Now THAT is one stupid remark! Why can’t people just have their own opinions and disagree with you? Why does EVERYTHING have to be a conspiracy?

      And I’m not sure what to believe, so I fall right in the middle. I’ve heard good explanations on both sides of the fence. Wait til 45 caliber (who is an engineer & conservative) joins the discussion and talks about how the buildings COULD have collapsed exactly as we are told they did.

      • Mark Are

        So, why do you believe that 45 caliber is a conservative and engineer? Because he says so? I’m an engineer too. My credentials cover the wall of the room I am in. Richard Gage has my support. The Architects and REAL engineers for 9/11 Truth are my heroes. My 8 year engineering degree and 22 years of experience say this…EXPLOSIVES had to be used to allow buildings to fall at free fall speed. And just the PICTURES of the towers reveals they didn’t just “fall down”. SO THERE. PROVE ME WRONG 45 Caliber. Or is it 45 IQ?

      • tomcat

        do some research, the beams were only fire proofed up to about the 73rd. floor. the weight on the beams being bent from heat at the jet strike (above the 73rd floor) made them implode. for an engineer to not know, is just stupidity. you must run a train for a living.

      • Brian

        Things that are bent, don’t fall straight. The fall to the weak side.

      • Jay

        Careful now brian, to many facts may send tomcat running to his medicine cabinet!

      • JeffH

        Mark Are, I have no reason to disagree with your credentials but I disagree with your pointed attack at 45caliber. You just took the words of a very confused and naive liberal and went directly after 45caliber…not on his words, but on a liberal’s word…use your brain and some practical sense here. 45caliber is one of the good guys here and until you hear it from him, show a little restraint unless you prefer the taste of shoe leather.

  • Shaun Chittick

    I think you give the federal government WAY too much credit if you think it could have developed such an elaborate plan in secrecy, coordinated and executed all of the different moving parts, and kept all of this from leaking to the public for over a decade. I would also caution your prejudice toward these “cave dwellers”. They are using sophisticated cell phones, computers, thumb drives, e-mail and every other thing you can think of.

    I would keep Occam’s Razor in mind, and assume that the American giant was caught sleeping complacently on 9/11. There may well be cover ups regarding information sharing among our federal, state and local law enforcement, intelligence agencies and military organizations, but I think you ultimately have to accept the simplest explanation–terrorists have targeted the US for a long time now, and have developed a support network, conducted elaborate rehearsals and a series of unsuccessful attacks all leading up to 9/11. We (the US) certainly could have done things a lot better prior to the largest single attack on our nation since Pearl Harbor, and there is certainly room for improvement since then. I’m sure I’m not the only one who wasn’t imaginative enough to picture the use of our own airline industry as a weapon against us. Too often we overlook the simple in favor of the more interestingly complex.

    • Gary

      So far all these post’s have proved only one thing,….Islam,…the muslims,have infiltrated and taken over our government and country,….beware of Islam,…Islam must be wiped from the face of the map,….down with Islam!!!!!!

  • Jay

    In the 100-plus years of steel framed buildings, only 3 have collapsed due to fire. All 3 were leased by the same man, all 3 fell in exactly the same way, in the same day. All 3 buildings collapsed at free-fall speed. Just a coincidence? Firefighters, police officers, emergency personnel, reporters, and many other eyewitnesses all reported explosives going off inside the buildings. Yet none of this is mentioned in the mainstream media.

    Listen to the testimonies on part 3 of the 9/11 coincidence.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd8B-8Au-Wk&feature=related

    • Capitalist at Birth

      The sounds of explosions were reported widely. I am aware of those reports and it doesn’t surprise me that there would be explosions. All of this nonsense has been refuted in programs on National Geographic and the Science Channels. You need to stop watching Jesse Ventura.

      • bargain bob

        Who owns the media thats been feeding us all this crap? as with most criminal acts follow the money. National Geographic? LOL! Popular Mechanics article was written by Michael Chertoff’s cousin, 911 was brought to you by the same people that attacked the USS Liberty in 1967, 34 us sailors killed and 172 wounded.. The same people who own our congress and puppet in charge. the same that invented cummunism and have used it to commit mass murder and destroy nations..

      • Mark Are

        YES! FINALLY someone with a brain. Must live in the country and drink water that isn’t fluoridated. Where can we meet? Maybe we can start a two person country.

      • tomcat

        be careful bob, mark is gay an sounds like he is coming after you

      • Jay

        Interesting accusation tomcat. Are you trying to tell us something about yourself? Naughty, naughty! Btw, aids kill people.

      • mark

        Oh, an appeal to anti-semitism! The level of discourse on this website just keeps getting lower, nuttier, and more racist.

      • Jay

        And you just keep hanging around!

      • Jay

        Maybe you’re right CP, i’ll just stick to watching National Geographic, and the Science Channels. That should set me straight. I’m just wondering, wouldn’t a lobotomy be a quicker solution? Btw, where did you get yours done?

      • hicusdicus

        Jay, the only thing that would set you straight would be a coffee enema.

      • Jay

        Do you recommend that based on experience?

      • hicusdicus

        Jay, That is the wrong end for me.

  • Reponder

    When there is one flaw or misrepresentation, it makes me wonder how much more of these representations are false. I was actually on site at the Pentagon in the first week. I can assure you that there was a commercial jet that hit the Pentagon! I witnessed the parts being taken away with my own eyes, and I smelled the burnt bodies, the smell of jet fuel, and I watched as the FBI sorted through all of the debris. Piece by piece, they were tagging, picturing, and putting those pieces considered evidence into a trailer and putting those that were not important into huge dumpsters.

    In response to the Rumsfeld assertion, I provided a briefing in March of 2001 to members of congress for the Rural Caucus. While the vast majority of what I spoke of was the lack of funding for first responders and the effects, I did state “Ladies and Gentleman, it is not if we have a terrorist attack, but when we will have one. Fire departments do not have the funding or equipment to respond to these.” According to your reasoning, I may have been an insider, which I can assure you I was not!

    As far as President Bush not going to Washington, … let’s see, we suspect they are trying to collapse part of our infrastructure and to wreak physical and economic havoc, … do we want to take him to Washington so that he is an easier target?

    Also, as someone who saw the lack of information sharing, I can tell you that it was possible that these terrorists were lost or not spotted. In those days (and to a certain extent still today) the agency that made the most arrests (especially big arrests) had bragging rights and the ability to justify needing more funding for their agency. It was common practice not to share anything, especially not local police and competing (for the same type of money)agencies. Lack of collaboration equals holes in security, which is exactly what we got!

    It is reports and half-baked theories such as these that shake my belief in those that I felt were pretty much on target. Having been someone that has been there and done that, I can verify some of your assertions are idiotic and design to stir doubt rather than unite our country. What we need now is a united country, a country that believes in God and country, no matter which God you serve. We need to stop attacking and start working together with a single purpose, … taking our country back and enforcing the Constitution as our founding fathers expected them to be, not as liberal idiot judge sees it.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      I agree with you completely, Responder.

    • Al Sieber

      You’re full of it Reponder, the plane supposedly vaporized that hit the Pentagon, or was it a missile? our Govt. lies to us every day.

    • John Hendricks

      Apparently, there were a few pieces of debris on the Pentagon lawn. But there are many other questions as to the authenticity of that debris, including the question of why the lawn was untouched. What happened to the rest of the plane, including the black boxes? Why are we told that the jet fuel (kerosene) at the WTC burned so hot the steel building frames collapsed. Then at the Pentagon, the same thing caused minimal damage. I don’t know what happened, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable that we have an impartial investigation.

    • Mark Are

      So, Responder, which government agency do YOU work for? CIA? NSA? I am SURE you saw those airline parts being taken away. WHY? Because they were the newly designed invisible stealth 757 variety. The kind only responders on the scene can see with their emerald glasses. Not the kind we CAN’T SEE in ANY pictures of the pentagon. I am beginning to hate this country because of how many EFFING FOOLS make it up. Total retards. Government fed brain dead lemmings.

      • tomcat

        like i said before mark, move away. your the effing fool

    • ValDM

      Reponder,
      You state that “they” were gathering up plane parts; deciding what was evidence, which went into a trailer; then other pieces, having been decided they weren’t evidence, was thrown into a dumpster. HOGWASH. TSA (the investigators not the dimwit gropers) consider ALL plane parts involved in an accident evidence. Go peddle your “what you saw” to someone else. Some of us aren’t buying.

      • Brian

        While I agree with your assertion, the TSA did not exist on 9/11.

      • ValD

        Brian,
        With all due respect, TSA has been around for decades. The TSA I referred to (& made sure to draw the distinction between the investigators & the dimwit gropers) so we would not be having this discussion now, is that TSA was originally formed to investigate ALL aviation accidents/crashes/near misses. The TSA that you refer to is the supposed “airport security” arm that does not have anything to do with aviation incidents.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    If I read this correctly you are blaming the government and unknown others of power for complacency in the 9/11 alleged terrorist attacks.You mention the Israelis that were detained but what about the plane load of Saudis that were allowed to leave?Who was in power at the time on the attack? believe it was the Conservative Republicans.Who held still secret meetings with the top energy companies CEO at the start of the new administration’s term (Dick Chaney).If one goes by your well written and researched piece then one can only come to the conclusion that the wealthy powerful Conservative Republicans who support the dismantling of just about everything that protests the average American are the perpetrators and need to be brought to justice.Why do the Wealthy Conservative Republicans want to dismantle the common citizens protections I believe there motto is “Profits over Country “

    • Capitalist at Birth

      You are sadly mistaken in your allegations and speculations.

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        You are sadly mistaken in your allegations and speculations.All facts not allegations and speculations

      • hicusdicus

        Hogwash!!!!!!!!!!!

      • BrotherPatriot

        Sorry…but you & your posts are Hogwash, hic.

        To much evidence that’s being ignored or denied says otherwise.

        Ty, Bob L for giving us this forum to debate.

        God Bless all who reads this site…and please help those delusional ones who do not stand in the light.

        *giggle* Couldn’t help it…

      • hicusdicus

        BP, you should not smoke pot while your trying to post.

    • Jibbs

      Are you still smoking that Ty Stick?

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        As always you shut in’s have no defense for the facts so you attack. How Very Sad YOU Are.

      • Brian

        One can only come to your conclusion if one ignores that fact that there aren’t two parties, but one great big corrupt one with two wings designed to deceive the people into thinking there is actually a choice on election day.

      • Carlucci

        Jibbs – it’s Thai Stick. Sold all over Bangkok.

      • hicusdicus

        Cariucci, Thank you. I just booked a flight to Bangkok.

    • BH

      Most who read this blog typically vote Republican. But you will find few lovers of Bush, the Patriot Act, big banks, or large corporations that profit by political pull.

      The great evils that have taken our liberties exist in both parties. In one sense, the Republican leadership is the more evil, as they at least know and claim to believe in freedom, yet they subvert it. The Democratic leaders are at least acting consistently with their principles: socialism, destruction of western civilization, and totalitarian control of the masses.

      • Carlucci

        BH – I beg your pardon? I’ve never seen people on this blog talk about voting for Bush or any other “republican” (or RINO). Many people with a working brain on this blog are ultra conservative liberty lovers and/or Libertarians. I would appreciate it if you would stop making those “voted republican” assumptions, at least as far as I’m concerned.

    • JeffH

      SMSgt Z retired Nam 68, I only ask who these “conservative Republicans” are? I think you don’t know what you’re talking about with you skewed choice of words…”conservative Republicans”? Certainly not Bush or Cheney or even McCain and Karl Rove…give me the names of the conservatives in DC during 9/11…other than Ron Paul and maybe a few other exceptions, they’re all RINOS and big government people and most definately not conservatives.

      • Kate8

        JeffH – The only way these Progs can keep the animosity alive is to keep promoting the Right/Left paradigm. Without that, their entire premise starts to fall apart.

        We’ve all moved beyond that illusion and are beginning to see that what we have is a two-headed beast, and no matter which head you side with, it’s still the same animal, eats the same meals (us), and we all end up p**p in the end!

        This has them panicked. They are desperate to keep fanning the ideological and racial flames, because they need our division to complete their goals. They rely on deception.

        When enough people have the guts to wake up, maybe we just can refuse to play anymore. Then what will they do?

      • JeffH

        True, true, true. :)

        How’s the weather up your way…it was hot in Winters on Thurs/Fri…high 90′s.

      • Kate8

        Jeff – A bit warmer than it’s been, but not so bad. I don’t have AC, and I’ve been fine. Probably high 80s.

        This computer has gotten so slow and uncooperative I almost smacked it a minute ago. It’s becoming agonizing waiting for it to respond. I’ve done everything I know, and it’s no better. So if I quit posting, you’ll know why.

      • BrotherPatriot

        Heya JeffH & Kate8…always nice to read your guy’s posts!

        Kate8…I’m not sure what operating system you are using but if it’s Windows XP or earlier then you may just need to make sure you save all the important data that you want to keep to disks. Create a back up of all that you want to keep & then just wipe your computer & reinstall the operating system. Then reinstall all the programs & such that you want to have.

        I know this is a pain but it’s not that hard to do actually and it fixes ALOT of problems that computers seem to get after running for 2 years or so, especially the XP’s & older. If you don’t feel comfortable doing it yourself then talk to a techy friend & I’m sure he/she can do it for you in about 2-3 hours or so.

        This is just a recommendation but I find it has helped my older computers alot to do this every 1-2 years. I also know you do alot of research and sometimes the various sites have malware & such that just start making computers run botchy. They also can be hard to get rid of…even when your anti-virus protection says it has taken care of it.

        Just some advice from a friend & moderatly aware computer user.

        God Bless.

      • Kate8

        BroPat – Thanks. I have Vista. Sometimes it’s okay, but several times a day it gums up. Various programs may be running updates or something.

        Question: When you install new programs, such as renewing antivirus
        protection, can you delete the old one, or does each renewal add on to the old one?

        I’m no computer whiz. To me it’s like a car. When you turn it on it’s supposed to go.

        I’ve got to do something, or it’s going in the trash.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, I run Window Vista Home Premium and my laptop is over two years old. My security/anti-virus is Norton 360 which does a great job of protecting any intrusions and removing/blocking them. I usually renew it before it expires and that way I don’t have to do any re-install. I usually do a complete system scan once a week and get background scans a couple times a week. Works well for me.

        I also have Comcast internet which I bekieve is more efficient than dial-up but there are times when the system doesn’t respond well.

      • BrotherPatriot

        Hi, Kate8…nice to hear from ya & see your still posting.

        Unless you uninstall the old anti-virus, when you update them they just add on to what is there by updating the program. Sometimes there are conflictions even with the same program when this happens. If you install a different anti-virus program…before you do, it’s always a good procedure to uninstall the old one. Even then not all components of the old one are uninstalled & this also causes problems of course.

        Once again I’ll recommend you just save everything that you want to keep to disk & then make sure to use a seperate computer to scan that disk that has a good anti-virus program already on it for possible infections/virus on the saved information. Perhaps a friend can help you out with that part of it.

        Once you save all the data & programs you want to keep…then wipe your computer & reinstall the operating system. Once you get your back upped saved information independantly scanned to make sure it’s clean…then reinstall all the information that you saved.

        I recommend getting windows 7 operating system as it is what Vista always wanted to be. Vista comes with it’s own problems & the Windows 7 version is superior and fixes many of Vista’s problems…imo.

        I like to wipe mine at least every 2 years or so as I said. It sure fixes them right up & makes them run fast again.

        God Bless you and thank you for all your efforts on the site.

      • Jay

        Good advice BB. I’ve done that several times. Finally threw windows into a garbage bin and pick up a Mac. Its been two years now, not one problem! Also, haven’t spent one penny on spyware, virus protection, and spam protection. Btw, bill gates is a crook!!!

      • libertytrain

        Kate – with all the searching you do I think you probably have attracted some malware – what can you do – a girl needs to seek info – also, one thing to keep in mind if you don’t already is stop using Internet Explorer and try using another such as Firefox.

      • BrotherPatriot

        Yep, Kate8…Mac’s are a very, very good alternative to Windows. Also, Firefox is a great alternative for you browsing needs as well and I do recommend it.

        I also know that Bill Gates has attended the Bilderberg meetings, Jay. I no longer use google but instead use IXquick for my search engine, however I’m still using Windows 7, at the moment. I am interested in changing to Mac’s & Firefox as stated above…just haven’t made that leap yet.

        God Bless you guyz & it’s really nice to read your posts. Keep up the good work.

      • libertytrain

        there’s no big deal to switching to Firefox, just download, make it your primary browser and never open Explorer again…. I’ve used it for several years now…

      • Kate8

        Thanks for all the input, all of you. My poor old laptop is several years old, and I’ve already even replaced parts! Right now it’s perking pretty good so I can post without having to go do something else while it does its thing. Also, the fan has been acting up for a long time, too. LOL. It’s done pretty good for having so many miles on it.

        I don’t use google, either. I use startpage. They don’t store IP addresses.

  • http://Yahoo Bernard

    Where are the “Black Boxes”??????

  • Harry

    Its time to cut all purse strings to a military whose high ranking officials thought processes have been “what separates the men from boys is the size of their toys” attitudes. Yet with their usual boyish grins can tell us with a straight face they lost one point whatever trillion dollars the day before 911. The “plane?” conveniently struck the area of the pentagon which house their budget information. Apparently it has not been money well spent. Our intelligence agencies cost us billions and get caught sharing secrets and yet can’t catch a bunch of Arabs before doing harm? Hog wash. We have presidents, vice presidents and many in congress acting as celebrity kings and queens instead of servants of the people. We have 50 independent states, whose representatives and attorney generals, whom united together, should have squashed these acts of tyranny but instead boot lick Washington and New York aristocracy. We need to stop listening to these thieves who have no intention of stopping their heist of America and its freedom loving people. We have at least 250 million AMERICAN adults in this country who work hard every day to live a free life. That’s plenty to choose from. We don’t need to keep re-electing criminals who have no respect for us or our founding documents and founders wishes. Shame on these who try and pass themselves off as Americans and some as hero’s.

  • Observer 1

    Thanks for a great article Bob. I believed the offical story for about 4 years, even though I remember asking myself on 9-11, where are the plane parts when viewing the 93 and 77 crash sites news videos. I also thought the twin towers sure looked a lot like controled demolations when I watched them fall straight down.
    Eventually I started doing my own research. There are so many parts of the “offical story” that not only make no sense, but are really beyond belief.
    I think Fred Hampton got it right when he said..
    We get answers that don’t answer;
    Explanations that don’t explain;
    And conclusions that don’t conclude.

    • hicusdicus

      You did your own research! Where? On the internet. The worlds greatest venue for fabrication. I could believe in astrology before the internet or maybe even the bible.

      • Jay

        Closer to the truth hicusdicus, the internet is inundated with both truth and fiction. One must navigate accordingly!

  • JimRed

    I wrote a three paragraph response to the article. When I hit submit it gave a “service not available” message.

  • William Gilbert

    Questions remain:
    1- Why did temperature readings exceed 2500 degrees in the rubble and tons of molten steel pooled in the basement, when diesel fuel burns at 1200 degrees?
    2- Explanation of tower floor collapse, but, no explanation of reinforced elevator shaft collapse! The strongest part of the building.
    3- Why was debris pulverized as in an explosion, rather than crushed as in a collapse?
    4- No explanation of photo proof that elevator shafts collapsed first in one tower and building 7!

    • Jibbs

      William Gilbert says:
      September 5, 2011 at 7:49 am
      Questions remain:
      1- Why did temperature readings exceed 2500 degrees in the rubble and tons of molten steel pooled in the basement, when diesel fuel burns at 1200 degrees?
      2- Explanation of tower floor collapse, but, no explanation of reinforced elevator shaft collapse! The strongest part of the building.
      3- Why was debris pulverized as in an explosion, rather than crushed as in a collapse?
      4- No explanation of photo proof that elevator shafts collapsed first in one tower and building 7!

      **********************************************************************

      Airliners do not burn diesel fuel. Diamond Aircraft(small privare 4 seat) has the only diesel aircraft engine, and that testing started a few years ago. Airliners burn a form of kerosene, that burns around 700 to 900*F in the open.
      Diesel flashpoint is about 210*C. In order for a diesel to operate an engine, very high compression is needed. Diesel is a bad choice for airliners due to the very cold temp. they operate in, it can be -30F or lower, causing diesel to gel(form crystals)

      There were no diesel aircraft engines in 2001, unless they were experimental.

      • Jibbs

        err! should have said…small private 4 seat

      • Al Sieber

        A friend of mine is a aircraft mechanic and when he works on jets he drains out the fuel,they won’t let him reuse it and he gives some to me and I use it in my backhoe and diesel generator, no problem.

      • Jibbs

        Your right Al.
        But it’s not diesel fuel.

        Jet fuel is very similar to diesel fuel, and in some cases, may be burned in diesel engines. The possibility of environmental legislation banning the use of leaded avgas, and the lack of a replacement fuel with similar performance, has left aircraft designers and pilot’s organizations searching for alternative engines for use in small aircraft.[12] As a result, a few aircraft engine manufacturers, most notably Thielert, have begun offering diesel aircraft engines which run on jet fuel. This technology has potential to simplify airport logistics by reducing the number of fuel types required. Jet fuel is available in most places in the world, whereas avgas is only widely available in a few countries which have a large number of general aviation aircraft. A diesel engine may also potentially be more environmentally friendly and fuel-efficient than an avgas engine. However, very few diesel aircraft engines have been certified by aviation authorities, and widespread use of diesel aircraft engines is still years in the future.

        Jet fuel is often used in ground support vehicles at airports, instead of diesel. The United States military makes heavy use of JP-8, for instance. However, jet fuel tends to have poor lubricating ability in comparison to diesel, thereby increasing wear on fuel pumps and other related engine parts.[citation needed] Civilian vehicles tend to disallow its use, or require that an additive be mixed with the jet fuel to restore its lubricity. Since jet fuel is also significantly more expensive than diesel, some critics[who?] consider using jet fuel in ground vehicles as wasteful.

    • DaveR

      Re combustion temperature of jet fuel, I think you have misunderstood the ignition temperature of jet fuel (temperature at which jet fuel will start burning) as being the same as the temperature of the fire that results when that jet fuel burns. The consider the following information regarding adiabatic combustion at constant pressure, assuming that normal atmospheric pressure surrounded the jet fuel spilled upon the crash of the aircraft into one of the twin towers. According to the listing published in Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_flame_temperature, the combustion temperature (temperature of the flame) of kerosene which is close in composition to jet fuel burning in air is 3800 degrees F, more than enough to soften and even melt steel. Carbon steels used in construction would have a melting temperature in the range of 2600 – 2800 degrees F (See for example http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-temperature-metals-d_860.html for a table of the melting point of many metals). And the softening point of the steel at which beams made of it can no longer carry their design load is a much lower temperature.

      • Al Sieber

        DaveR, only if it burns that hot under controlled conditions, and when the the planes hit the buildings the fuel dis-aped and was no longer in a controlled condition. ever use a cutting torch? and try to cut a half inch piece of metal, that torch is about 6000 degrees and it’s hard to cut that metal fast.

  • GravityAlert

    I like all the questions & responses, but until, or unless, a legal investigation, to include indictment(s), that reach to the level of treason, is conducted, this entire episode will become an obscure & re-written part of history. If the evidence, which existed at the time, has been destroyed or tampered with, then those responsible, normally, would be given prison sentences.

    Inasmuch as there has been no formal inquiry, at least not that has been published, then all the questions & speculations are simply a form of mental gymnastics. I am happy to see that American citizens are able to manipulate their imaginations, but without any obvious consequence to the act(s) of terrorism, this Nation is completely unable to defend or control future terrorist activities, either from within or from abroad.

    Keep those cards & letters coming, internet entertainment is about all I can afford being that I am involuntarily retired & on unemployment, at least until I run out of benefits & park my tent on the lawn at the State’s Capital building, standing in food lines & collecting my food stamps for the 3 months I am allotted.

    “Fundamentally transforming the United State of America”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cqN4NIEtOY

    God Bless America

  • JimRed

    Wikileakers? You mean Wickiliars, don’t you?

    • Brian

      Yes, the people who expose the truth are the problem. Not the corrupt people who actually create the problems.

      • Carlucci

        You got it, Brian. Where did all of these clueless people come from? I don’t recognize many of them. I’m wondering if they are “plants”.

      • Cawmun Cents

        Carlucci,

        If it looks green,talks green,smells green….no need to taste it.
        Green is the new red.
        Both however smell like something traditionally brown,or at least a darker shade of green.

        When the folks at large are trained(some call it brainwashing,but since the evidence shows that you have to have a brain in order for it to be scrubbed….the jury is still out on that term as it applies to the posers in question)
        to take their fecal matter with some candy-coating,you can see that when it comes ala carte,they become more reluctant to chew on it.

        You may quote me on this since it is not part of traditional writing.

        -CC.

      • Cawmun Cents

        I was referring to the conspiracy folks who invent things on a continual basis.
        Necessity is the mother of invention.
        Begging the question…but why do some feel the necessity to invent a better truth?
        It is because the truth doesnt match the Hollywood version that they expect.So when they dont get the sensationalized version of the events that they so desire,they have to concoct tales of the unexpected in order to validate their feelings.
        Emotional content.
        Alas the bane of any truth but what the conspiracy brings.
        A fancier,more action packed picture of events.
        Fed by the masters of functional manipulation…..the bloggoshpere.
        There are too many unanswered questions.
        There are too many questions.
        Too many to get any sane answers for.Therefore there must be a conspiracy.It is the only possible answer.At least to the laymen who were never there.But for those who were the conspiracy dies in the fundamentalist desire to bring out the truth….or at least a kinder,gentler machine-gun hand.
        -CC.

      • Kate8

        I don’t know where they come from, either, but they sure have been here in force lately.

        And their visciousness seems to be ratcheting up.

      • Carlucci

        Hey Kate8 – ! Good to see your posts. How is everything going?

  • tamarque

    This article lays out the big bone outline of problems with the 911 Commission Report but leaves much else out. For example passenger rosters of at least 1 of the planes had no Mid-eastern names or faces on the list. Several of the alleged attackers have been found living in Mid-eastern countries today. Rescue workers have not recounted on their report of explosions at ground level. Foreign politicos have revealed an international effort to create 911. And most concerning, and least attended, is the fact of the Project For A New American Century which outlined the Bush/Cheney agenda. The report states the only thing needed was an event on the magnitude of Pearl Harbor to scare the public into submission. The fear tactic is as old as the hills, as they say, but it still works when you have a public so dumbed down and so bought off with trinkets and so controlled by personal debt that no meaningful thinking, or reaction can occur.

    For me, the answers have been received. I have no question about what the big issue of 911 was about. Some of the details may never be known, unless we have a few more Wikileakers. But it is a no brainer to me as to who was behind 911 and why. All we have to do is really look at what has happened to know what the plan was.

    • LIb JOhnson

      Your comment included this statement: “The report states the only thing needed was an event on the magnitude of Pearl Harbor to scare the public into submission.” submission to what?

      Just out here trying to learn about some things I have ignored in the past. Thanks.

      • Al Sieber

        Lib,submission to what you ask? look at all the rights we lost through the Patriot Act. goggle “Project For a New American Century” and you’ll find your Pearl Harbor like event.

      • Mike W

        Submission means (a) giving up more of your rights, have you taken a trip on an airline lately? (b) less & less privacy, in the name of national security, virtually every phone call & e-mail is intercepted by the government now. (c) transferring of national sovereignty to such international organiztions as the UN, NATO, IMF, etc., to fight terrorism & maintain economic order (sic). I could go on, but I hope you get an idea of what’s transpired since that tragic day!

      • wandamurline

        Prime example of submission….TSA at the airports….the criminals must be laughing their butts off as they have more rights than us…they can pick you from a line without probable cause, can search you and seize your baggage without a warrant, without mirandizing, without reason for your search and without your right to counsel. Now, you tell me what infringes the government is putting on you…
        and soon to be announced…they will have mobile units at ball games, etc. They already have mobile units that can scan your home rolling through neighborhoods….for pete’s sake wake up.

      • DeWitt Bunch

        Your history lesson… ( sorry but only by memory) December 5th 1941… Japanese emissaries arrive in Washington asking to speak to Congress to warn them about the plan to attack Pearl Harbor …. upon which they are put into a waiting room … and after several hours are told that they will have to come back on Monday….

      • James A

        Where did you get that interesting bit of fiction? The declaration of war by the Japanese was carefully timed to be just prior to the attack. However, the Japs were too slow in decoding the document and didn’t reach the Secretary of States office until after the attack had begun.

  • http://google Rick in Fla.

    I have ALWAYS thought that there was more to this than we, as AMERICAN Citizens will ever know! I was a High School boy when JFK was assassinated in Dallas & at the time, that was the biggest US Coverup since the “accidental death” of General George Patton, who would have come home a National Hero & been elected President over Eisenhower, who was set up by some very powerful men behind the scenes (Used to be a secret sect of 8 men, which could have included Pres. George Bush, before he became POTUS). Very interesting, too, the fact that the ONLY airplane flying the East Coast, was a Saudi Arabian airliner picking up many Arabs to go back to Saudi Arabia & was not ever encountered by our Defense! Very Interesting!!What is due next Sunday, on the 10th anniversary of 9/11???Thank You

    • http://yahoo LEWB

      I read these thoughts on 911 and now realize America has a colony of “NUTS” disguised as citizens running loose in our nation.

      Allow me to tell these “NUTS” the REAL TRUTH about 911!

      The same murderers who conspired to kill president Lincoln were also envolved in the murder of J.F.K.!
      Many of the NINETEEN pilots who flew the 911 planes came from this same group. See, these murderers live in a secret time machine, they do not age as normal people , they reappear as needed to cause CHAOS in America!! It is my opinion that prez. Chaos Obama is part of this group too!
      Chaos hid in a cave in Kenya until George Bush called him to come forth and run for president. This explains why Prez.Chaos Obama’s social security card number classifies obama as being born in the state of Conn. While living in Conn. Chaos served as a Lawn Jockey for Joe Biden until he received his accent from Barney Franks!
      NOW YOU know the “REST of THE STORY” but there still remains many mysteries, one of which is how Michelle Obama ,who once played Fullback for the Green Bay Packers became to look like the “HUMP BACK of NOTRE DAME” , without a facemask! SOME blame G.W.Bush!!
      What say you?

  • David Innes

    Were the twin towers brought down by internal explosives? I’ve seen on TV many examples of old silos, factories, chimneys etc blasted to earth. It takes months of preparation–drilling holes by the hundreds, placing explosives, running wires etc. It’s inconceivable to think that could have occurred on 9/11. Hundreds of people would have to be part of such a conspiracy & people in the buildings would have noticed all this unusual activity & someone would have asked questions.I’m no engineer, but am reasonably sensible!

    • Jibbs

      No one would have to see anything, do you know how many mechanical floors are in a shyscraper? There are several layers of them, they contain anout 2 to 3 floors in each layer.

      Wake up and pay attention.

    • Mark Are

      And with what knowledgeable authority do you come to the conclusion that “hundreds” would have to be involved??

      • tomcat

        your right mark, would have taken thousands. both dems an reps. could never happen. your really off base here. maybe you should move away from here, go to a communist country, that is where you will fit in best.

      • Jay

        tomcat, wakey wakey, its time to wake up. We presently have a communist administration, so no one need to pack their bags! We are, in a Communist country!

      • hicusdicus

        Jay, it is not a communist country as long as us hillbilly’s and red necks have our guns.

      • Jay

        Hang on to them, you’ll need them!

      • hicusdicus

        Jay, If push comes to shove I will give you one of mine.

      • Jay

        That’s very generous of you hicusdicus. You know, its interesting, it seems in fox holes, people forget their differences. Some have been known to forget they’re atheists!

      • Ray

        Let’s hear some details of how you are so much more informed of the real truth of what happened on September 11, 2001 than anyone else – you keep throwing out insults and blanket comdemnations, but like any lib, no further proof or details are needed. . .or forthcoming -

      • James A

        If you want to know how the WTC collapsed, read my reply to Sandra. I am an Civil Engineer. You may wish to read the study done by the American Society of Civil Engineers. I would expect to see a lot more fire-proofing added to steel members in future high rise buildings.

      • hicusdicus

        James, I believe that James has a reading comprehension issue.

    • Carole H

      You need to read the history of what went on in the buildings before 9/11, and I do not think it would have to be a conspiracy of 100s of people. Plus the fact that people go home at night.

      There are documents cases that construction was going on in the buildings before 9/11. It would be relatively easy for everything to be put into place long before 9/11.

      Planes have flown into building before and the buildings did not come down. The Empire State building and it was built with old technology.

      The Sears Tower in Chicago.

      How can anyone watch 3 buildings come down in their own foot print at free fall speeds and not realize something just does not add up. Amazing.

  • http://www.USAQH.com Sandra

    I was living in the Boston area in 2001. On Sept 10, 2001, I flew out of Logan on a 6:30am (approx) flight to Colorado Springs. As we were waiting to take our postion on the runway to take-off, our pilot came on and said that there was an emergency on a flight that had just taken off and they were coming back to the airport for an emergency landing and that we would have to wait until they landed, before we could take-off.

    We had that nice ‘side-ways’ view of the runway as passengers… The plane landed and taxied to the end of the runway, and turned to the left AWAY from the terminals, to an unoccupied area. We watched as about 15 to 20 state police cruisers rushed to the plane. No fire trucks, no ambulances .. just police cruisers…

    We were then cleared for take-off and as we went ‘gear-up’ we passed by the plane on our left… it was surrounded by state policemen …

    Never heard a word about it on the news… never heard anyone speak of it .. what the heck happened that morning??? Strange coincidence? I think not …

    • hicusdicus

      Sandra, that is one of the reasons smoking pot is not allowed before take off.

  • Jerry

    I hate to tell you this, but this account is just plain wrong. I work in a ‘commuity’ that would know if 9/11 was a US govt conspiracy or not. This was definitely not the case. BTW, Thermite is essentially powdered iron oxide and aluminum, not some sort of exotic compound. The whole idea of powdered iron and aluminum or the traces of the two together at the WTC as some sort of sabotage device is ludicrous. There were hundreds of thousands of tons of steel (iron) and aluminum in those structures. You are going to find traces of iron and aluminum powder everywhere in the debris of those buildings no matter what. The temperatures of the burning jet fuel don’t need to melt steel. They just have to weaken it enough to eliminate its ability to hold the tens of thousands of tons of mass above it. The rest of the destruction would simply be handled by gravity. That is why the second tower hit was the first one to fall down. It was hit lower down, so the damaged support members had to carry much more weight. The point that the burning fuel had weakened the steel support members enough for structural failure was reached much sooner. I’m also an engineer by training. But the bottom line is that Al Qaeda is responsible for 9/11….period. But I blame the Clinton administration for enabling the attacks to happen as well.

    • http://www.USAQH.com Sandra

      Hey Jerry

      Tell me how in the world TWO buildings just collapse into themselves? I have watched many buildings implode and collapse onto themselves, but only when charged with many tons of explosives that are placed very carefully by experts from companies that specialize in that …

      Really??? A jet airplane can accomplish the same thing ???

      ciao

      • Al Sieber

        Jerry, it’s so fortunate for Governments that people don’t think.

      • duggy

        sandra and al are spot on ; the weak arguments that make claims and provied no real proof are what allow the perpetrators to get away with the “new pearl harbor”

      • Capitalist at Birth

        This has been explained on the National Geographic Channel, and the Science Channel. Refuting all of this speculative nonsense.

      • Al Sieber

        You mean like explained by Popular Mechanics, published by Hearst who were masters at “Yellow Journalism”.

      • TIME

        Hey Al,

        Great point! Saddly it will go right over that twinkies head we all know what fills twinkies now don’t we. Zit Cream.

      • hicusdicus

        Capitalist at Birth, Give it up, these people are all dyed in the wool conspiracy nut cases.

      • Al Sieber

        hicusdicus, define conspiracy theory, bet you can’t. you got your head up your a$$.

      • Jay

        And you’re here because?

      • Kate8

        hicus – If even two people plot something, that is a conspiracy. Every crime planned by more than one perp is a conspiracy.

        Groups of people always have and always will be plotting to control the tide of world events and mass thinking. Hence, we always have and always will have conspiracies.

        You’ve just bought into another conspiracy. That is, to discredit anyone who attempts to expose their conspiracies.

        People need to stop responding to the emotional charge that is given to buzz words in order to deflect you from discovering the truth.

      • hicusdicus

        Jay, I am because its fun to play with the retards. The best part is that it is so easy to make them cry.

      • Jay

        Well, at least you’re doing something constructive with your life. I suppose picking on retards, as you say, may not be as bad as torturing little animals! We’ll gladly take the punishment hicusdicus, if it means saving the life of a little, innocent, creature.

      • DeLummox

        The reason the twin towers collapsed the same way was physics. My father was friends with one of the founders of CDI Controlled Demolion Inc., that what brought buildings down, was gravity. They used explosives to weaken the supports, and gravity did the rest. My father was a firefighter in London England in WWII, and saw many buildings collapse from fires, He explained that as the tempurature gets hotter, it dries out the concrete, by evaporating the water out of it. The concrete turns to dust and the heated steel beams collapse as the steel is a reinforcement for the concrete which bears the load. The tempurature are not hot enought to melt steel, but hot enough to dehydrate concrete and soften the steel. Since the fires were limited to one floor, the supports on that floor were all weakened, causing the collapse of the buildings. This is inentical to how CDI demolishes buildings, and why the buildings collapsed gy themselves.

      • tomcat

        yes sandra, it can. the heat warped the beams above the 78th floor, that were not treated to prevent such failure. they bent an under the weight of the upper floors, an came straight down. there have been many documentaries on the collapse of WTC 1 an 2. the builder of the building tried extensively to contact Washington to tell them the buildings wound come down, but was unable to get through.

      • Jerry

        Sandra.
        Yes, those buildings could have easily imploded purely as a result of the impact of those airliners and the effects of the ensuing fires. They literally collapsed under their own weight. You had thirty to forty stories of massive building being held up by steel that was being heated to several hundred degree by burning jet fuel.You don’t have to melt steel to achieve the effect. You only have to soften it enough. Burning jet fuel can certainly do that.

      • James A

        The building held up rather well to the impact of the airliners, probably due to the fact that the main structural columns were on the perimeter of the building. You are correct, of course, that the fire was a different matter. The photos clearly show the buckling of the perimeter columns due to the softening caused by the fire. The heating and expansion of the horizontal beams likely pushed them outward beyond the limits of the floor supports, thus the “pancaking”. Those perimeter columns had to carry almost the entire weight of the floors above, especially critical in Building #2. Those planes had a substantial fuel load as they hadn’t been airborne that long. I suspect that the requirement for fire proofing thickness will be greatly expanded in future high rise buildings.

        Professional Civil Engineer

      • James A

        The main structural columns of the WTC were on the “exterior” part of the building, rather unconventional, but effective. When the horizontal beams were heated by the tremendous quantities of jet fuel, they expanded. The photographs just prior to “pancaking” show this very clearly. The floors were sitting on on “angle iron seats” connected to the exterior columns. When those supports expanded out from under the concrete floors, they pancaked onto the floors below. Those “seats” were not designed for impact loads and failed, collapsing onto the next floor and so on. The compression of air which escaped through the building skin gave the appearance of explosions often seen in controlled demolitions. It wasn’t that the beams were weakened so much as they expanded and removed the floor support which caused the pancaking. The American Society of Civil Engineers has done a detailed study of the collapse mechanism which you may wish to peruse.

        As to the lack of engine imprints at the Pennsylvania crash site, I can tell you as an aviator that when you exceed “red line speed” stuff starts coming off the airframe. The first things to go are normally the engine pods. That aircraft was close to red line speed in horizontal flight. When the hijacker pushed the nose down without retarding the throttles or deploying speed brakes, the aircraft got to red line speed very quickly. It is hardly surprising that parts of the aircraft would be found miles away.

        Clintons policy of not allowing government security agencies (FBI, CIA, DIA) to share information was a major factor in this disaster. I believe more than one FBI agent complained about middle eastern flight students who wanted to learn to fly, but not to land commercial aircraft. There is no question that the government responded badly to the incident due to confusion caused by the scheduled exercise.

      • BrotherPatriot

        What a rediculous post…I almost didn’t want to acknowledge or respond to it, James A. But I find myself completely agast at your seemingly eloquent description. Obviously you buy into & are trying to promote the MSM/Government’s false version. It is impossible, even with your description, to explain the virtual free fall speed that both buildings came down in that clearly shows they had very minimal resistance as they collapsed…the only way this is possible if the steel supports were severed. Much less come down into their own foot prints without toppling this way or that into other near by buildings! What about the steel beems shot out from the debrie as it came down?

        Check out what Firefighter John Schroeder has to say about it! But with that said…take the time to watch all the videos on the below site.
        http://www.christianforums.com/t7568052/

        Explain Building 7 now, James A…if you dare. What about the fact that the lower sections of the building was coming at the same speed at the top at free fall…???!!!??? Especially when it only had some light fires on a few levels & it never was hit by a plane?

        God Bless you and may you & all the rest like you one day see the light of truth.

      • James A

        Reread my post! The main structural columns on the WTC are on the “exterior” of the building. That contained the implosion. It acted like a giant elevator shaft. The floor seats were designed to hold the weight of the floor and its contents with a safety factor of two or three. They were NOT designed to withstand impact loading. After two or three floors failed, their combined weight, falling due to gravity (32 fps/sec), had no trouble failing the seats on the lower floors even though they had no fire damage. The combined weight of numerous floor slabs pulled the support columns to the center of the building. Thus it failed on its own footprint. I have not read the report on Bldg. 7 and have no opinion on its failure. I suspect, however, that the impact loading was transmitted to the rock foundation on which all NYC buildings are constructed and which would have been the equivalent of a magnitude 8 or 9 earthquake and therefore capable of failing a building which was apparently not touched by the aircraft.

      • Whisper

        The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) recently came out with a report on why World Trade Center 7 came down. It had nothing to do with sabotage and everything to do with fire. The report raises concerns that other large buildings might be more vulnerable to fire induced structural collapse than anyone ever imagined. Check it out James.

      • Jay

        Oh yes Whisper, a federally funded institution. For sure, no bias there! Nudge nudge, wink wink!

      • BrotherPatriot

        Nope…don’t buy it one bit, James A.

        The enormous steel beams below would have created resistance and caused the buildings debrie from above to be deflected off to the sides (if they hadn’t been cut due to the explosive charges set on them, that is).

        There is absolutely no way it would cause a catastrophic failure of this magnitude and a continuous pancake affect. There would have been a large portion of the buildings still standing after the collapse. Not the entire buildings falling mostly into their footprints as we saw happen.

        Also, when they began removing the debrie many of the steel beams were already convienyantly cut into sections that fit into the removal trucks.

        This was a planned, orchestrated event that screams FOUL. They killed our people, have been covering it all up but this is nothing new to them. They have murdered millions of people down through the years (WW1 & WW2 for example as they fund both sides of the wars) and one day they will pay for their crimes against humanity.

        Crimes against humanity. Crimes against humanity. Crimes against humanity.

        One day we will all properly mourn the lives that have been ended by this hidious thing we call, the New World Order. One day the truth of it all will come out into the light as the truth always does eventually.

        Keep waking up my brothers & sisters. Only by standing in the light of God’s truth can we ever be truely free. Pursue this truth no matter the ugliness that is brought to bear against you. For once you step away from this mundane, material world…the only thing that matters is how you served the positive power, the one true power…and that is God himself. Which ever name you call Him by, your energy will join Him at the end if you served the postive side loyally.

        God Bless.

      • hicusdicus

        James A, If you want to know the real truth of why this country is collapsing just read all the nut case posts on this forum.

      • Jay

        And to get a clear picture we would have to include you!

      • Kate8

        hicus – So, what you are saying, is that a sane person will simply accept, without question, the line of cr*p we are fed by those with an agenda, regardless of how implausible or suspicious things appear, and no matter how it works to their advantage.

        Conversely, those who find questions left unanswered, ignored or just plain spun, are nut cases.

        Wow. No wonder we are where we are. Baaaaaaaaahhhh.

      • hicusdicus

        Jay, absolutely!

      • BigBadJohn

        If you follow this explanation, the outer shell collapsed and brought the central columns with it.

        More likely, the outer shell would have peeled away like a banana skin and left AT LEAST some portion of the central support columns standing. But they actually collapsed at the same rate and same time as the outer shell.
        It just does not seem even remotely plausible that the weakened steal theory would have also brought the central columns down at the same time.

      • James A

        You don’t read very well do you. The WTC design was unique in that the structural columns were on the outside perimeter and spaced closely together. There were no significant central columns except for the elevator shafts. The floors acted as stiffeners and only had enough depth to carry their own weight plus live load (people, furniture, etc.)When the floor beams heated, expanded and pushed out the heat softened colums,the floor support was lost and they pancaked onto the floors below. The floor supports on the lower floors were not designed for impact loading so they failed as well. Look at the videos and photos that show the outside columns buckling.

    • Frances

      He was talking about the fact that molten steel was pouring off the building and was still there in the rubble for days after the attacks.

    • BH

      OK, fine, the two towers went down by gravity. Sudden collapse at the floor where the plane crashed caused the building above to fall into the building below.

      But what about the third building? There is a video on YouTube showing the collapse. Not a really tall building like the other two. Not hit by a plane. Fell straight down on its own footprint, just like a controlled demolition. Not like a building that burns and then when nearly burned up, starts to collapse.

      My point isn’t that what happened to the third building is proof positive of anything. Just that it deserved a more detailed investigation and report than we received.

      Seems clear that the third and fourth planes were shot down. Our leaders presume that we can’t take the truth.

      • wandamurline

        Our leaders never tell us the truth and that is the problem.

    • Mark Are

      Jerry is either a FOOL, a TROLL or both. Which is it Jerry? You can’t be that EFFING STUPID. Or could you?

      • Ray

        You must be the lib troll, with all the insults you throw out. Why can you not just argue your own logical points, let others respond to it, then sit back and watch the replies ??

        Also, Jerry is right. Uh – have you ever seen the many video clips of the 2 planes that were flown into the WTC buildings by muslim terrorists ? Kinda hard to disprove they were not brought down by the fires which weakened the steel supports.

        I would imagine that those who built the 2 buildings never thought to make them impact-proof by commercial jets containing thousands of gallons of jet fuel – -

      • Brian
      • Ray

        You should read the stories you are quoting -

        This is from the above link -

        “But this was of course a completely abnormal situation and one which would not have been envisaged by the people who built it. The strength of the towers was enormous but they would not have been designed for aircraft strikes.

        “There are buildings which are designed to withstand plane impacts but these are mainly for very sensitive buildings. The main impact on a building would be from the engines because they hold the mass of the plane, but there is also the fuel which would ignite.

        “Because the structure is steel and concrete, the main fire load is in the furniture and the carpets.The towers were designed to be so tall to maximise the available space in the plaza below. They were initially expected to be just 80-90 floors high but the extra height was incorporated to make them the world’s tallest buildings – a distinction they held until just 1974.

        Any other ideas ?

      • TIME

        Ray,

        Man you have your head in the bloody sand don’t you.

        You would be wise to explore what the towers were in fact designed to handle ~~ so two smaller jets with less that 1/2 of their feul loads would not have brought down even one of these units let alone all of them.

        But hey why let facts or the TRUTH get in the way of heads in the sand gang.

      • Ray

        Please put forth the ‘facts and truth’, as you say – so those of us you lump together as laboring under false ideas can be enlightened, since you must be assuming the mantle of the ultimate arbiter of ‘facts and truth’ -

    • hicusdicus

      Jerry, don’t tell these nut cases that sort of dribble. You will ruin their wet dream.

  • Charlotte

    http://usa-the-republic.com/revenue/Britian-Pontiff.html

    Go check this out. Yeah, we are slaves. I believe the 9/11 happened because it was a One World Order issue. Our government doesn’t care about our lives. I’m so disillusioned by the research I’ve been doing. Don’t even feel like voting next year — in this case does it matter who gets in?

    • http://mercendarian@yahoo.com Jack

      Always vote! Even if the Globalists control both parties (–some elements of both), a RINO republican President,(McCain, Romney,Cain, Gingritch)would still be slightly better than a Demon-cratic Globalist (O’Bama, Hillary). Here are a few answers: Bldg #7 came down to COVER the fact its vaults were robbed of gold bullion, the robbery being the REAL reason for 911. I don’t know whether it was Arabs/some organ of our govt./Globalists. An Arab firm was liscenced to work on the “elevators” until shortly before 911. Thermite means there DEFINITELY was a conspiracy to take-down the towers. Flight 93 was definitely a shoot-down, the white jet a CIA-F-16 whose first missles blew-off the engines. The pentagon hit was NOT a Jet, but a missle. A smaller jet could have been made to “act-like” a missle, and that would explain why its smaller jet engine was found, rather than commercial-jet type engines. Many experts state the Globalists will USE the Islamists to destroy religion in this country. IMO, one of the Islamic “terrorists” is the President! He and Hillary attended the Bilderberger meeting shortly before the 08 campaign, the ONLY TIME, before or since, the two have “slipped their reporter-teams”. At that meeting, he was TOLD to “crash the US Economy” and with his restrictions on mining & drilling, hundreds of thousands of Energy jobs have been prevented/held-up. We COULD be an OPEC-nation, but for O’Bama, and his Globalist-Communists at the EPA. Instead of being Trillions in debt, we could have PAID for every program O’Bama wanted! The USA has greater oil/coal/gas reserves than the entire middle east, but the “Eco-nazis” keep it all in the ground. Increased regulations, O’Bamacare, and the desire for increased corporate taxes, KEEP the economy repressed to the point of Depression. This conspiracy of the Globalists has the ideological “cover” of the fact that this is want the cheif Demon-cratic stratedgists WOULD normally say/do. Although murdering mis-anthropes, HITLER & Tojo got us out of the Depression, Not FDR.

      • wandamurline

        Get a copy of the communists manifesto of 1958 or the Weather Underground (Bill Ayers/Bernadette Dorn) from the 1970′s for your very own blueprint of how they intend to take over without firing a shot….remember the Russian President in the 70′s who stated that America would be taken without firing a shot….what better way than from the inside. We may still have a chance to stop them, but it will not happen if Obumer gets another four years….another four of him will completely dissimate this country.

      • Mark Are

        The communist manifesto 1958? Don’t you mean 1848?

      • mark

        It wasn’t the Russian president it was the Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev who said that early in the 1960s. But I wouldn’t cite him as a reference. He was overthrown by the Politiburo a few years later and the state he ruled the Soviet Union collapsed into the dustbin of history while the United States, despite a tough recession, is still standing.

      • Jay

        I don’t know mark, it sounds like you’re suggesting it was a conspiracy theory!

      • Adair

        If a missle hit the Pentagon, and the size of the hole certainly makes that a reasonable assumption, where are the passengers and the plane that was reported to have hit the Pentagon?

        If that plane were destroyed in order to make the story believable, where did it crash? Barbara, the wife of Ted Olson,the Solicitor General at the time, was on the plane that hit the Pentagon. But if it wasn’t a plane, and it was a missle, how did they conceal the plane?

        More questions, no answers.

    • Erin

      Charlotte – you must keep the faith and know we CAN do something to stop this insanity of lies and deception which I, too, believe stems from the NWO agenda and systematically dispersed through controlled mainstream media. But PLEASE… it is so important that you vote! Google ‘Ron Paul’ and you will see his exemplary congressional voting record against ALL unconstitutional legislation, his strong message of freedom and his humble yet straightforward approach to the issues plaguing our country today (war, federal spending, etc). He is a champion of our Constitution and the ONLY candidate who will stop this increasingly intrusive Federal Government intervention in every aspect of our personal lives. He also believes that the government is full of tricks and deception and wants to put and end to that.

      Ron Paul 2012!

      • Mark Are

        Ron Paul may be one of the only “normal” people in politics. The rest are certified PSYCHOPATHS. They have no conscience and don’t care about YOU, your family, your dog, cat, or whatever. You are “their” property to dispose of as they wish. And as soon as folks wake up to “their” agenda, the sooner we as a PLANET can be free.

  • Kate kat

    PLEASE! This is a simple thing here. bush was not in office long enough to do anything bad! Second of all it was clintion that visited Bin lauden a few months before the attack. third of all we had almost no security back then also because of Clinton. The government DID NOT DO THIS ONE! I am sorry to break hearts of those that want it to be, but GET REAL! It was terrorist and that’s that! You can say what you want, but they are also trying to understand it 100%! I know I have talked with higher ups that were involved and they are not the kind that makes things up to protect the Government. they have told me to remain quite about the fact that it was NOT the government, but they should know me better than that lol. Any way they like the fact that people are not quick enough to say “No this was not the government.” It would actually be less damaging if it was the Government. That way they wouldn’t have to hide the fact that they didn’t do their job in protecting us. that liberals are a drain and a danger to American soil! This way you blame the government and Bang they are out of hot VERY hot water!

    • duggy

      kate i s typical of the “i said it so it must be true” type of brainwashed citizen; this type offers no facts, evidence or proof of their assertions or claims ! there are so many facts that dispute or disprove the official conspiracy theory that such claims should have long since faded away

      • Alcam

        You are spot on. It is the mindless who allow the spivs to rob the people, and if it is convenient, to kill a few so that the rest are frightened. The robber barons are hard at work (that is why they are entitled to such massive incomes) taking control of everything and everyone. The number of warnings before the event would have been sufficient for even an idiot to check things out and possibly prevent the whole thing. Unfortunately the habit of ignoring warnings is not a recent trend. I believe a decoded message from a German in Japan provided a 3 week warning about the attack on Pearl Harbour. The U.S.A of course ignored it – who would have the courage ( = stupidity) to attack US.

      • Vally Joe

        It has been well documented that the US Navy was tracking the Japanese Fleet across the Pacific and knew exactly when they would arrive at Pearl. The “sneak attack” was allowed to proceed because it was the means to get us into WW2, against the wishes of the American People.

        On 9/11, Dick Cheney was conducting a Drill at Norad. (I have never heard of a VP doing this before or since.) It is standard military procedure that any sign of enemy activity automatically requires that drills be cancelled. Why didn’t this happen on 9/11?

      • Buddy

        Yes, Alcam, you’re correct. There are many trails to disasters which all point to the people in charge of governments. Yes, the Pearl Harbor disaster was allowed to happen because FDR wanted the USA to get into the European war. Go figure – Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and the majority of the USA’s focus was on Europe.

        Then, ask why the USA was involved in WWI? Because the Lusitania was sunk – while being rerouted through German submarine waters. If one examines the histories of USA involvement in wars, the pattern of our welfare/warfare government easily emerges. We are easily led!!

      • mart

        Well you are partly right about that. Technically this was all engineered by Roosevelt administration. This has all been declassified. It never ceases to amaze me how many people don’t have a clue about what happened even since these docs have been aired on national TV.’
        They sent false communication (knowing the japs had broken the code) that they were attacking Japan. Japan had no choice but preemptively attack as they were already out of resources due to naval blockade. They sent their flagship on a one way mission (they didn’t even have the gas to come back).
        Roosevelt knew that Japan had taken the bait and yes Pearl Harbor was the sacrificial lamb as were the twin towers.
        I think even if they declassify what happened on 9/11 people will still won’t pay attention….

      • “O”no

        duggy,

        Such claims will NEVER die away. There will always be the cooqes in the closet making the extrodinary claims. Grabbing some “leaked” goverment document and streching it from more than what it was to make ridiculous claims. Case in point…JFK & MLK…& now 911. It will go on & on.

      • Carlucci

        Kate kat must have gone to school just to eat her lunch. It is obvious that she has never read any real history of false flag operations when regimes want to take over a nation, or cause a “war”. Kate kat and those of her ilk are a wicked government’s wet dream – i.e., a “useful idiot” who never questions anything. She reminds me of those despicible turncoat jews in Nazi Germany who helped put their own brethren on the trains to the death camps.

        Kate kat – have you put in an application at the TSA or the FEMA death camps? Sounds like you’d be in like flynn at either one.

    • Jibbs

      You should take a class or two on demolition. It’s not rocket science!

    • /www.personalliberty.com OldTimer

      I’m with you, Kate. Anyone can put any kind of a twist on any kind of a story, and people out there will gobble it down. Hey, look how many people believed that out current president would be a good leader. Hope the kool aid has worn off within this next year.

      • Erin

        Yes, I agree that anyone can put any spin on any story… whether it is maistream media OR alterative media. However the people who are “gobbling it down” are the ones who listen to Fox News, CNN, etc. and accept all their stories as truth without question – NOT the people who are questioning what they hear, and doing their own research – especially in this case which is peppered with publicly documented discrepancies.

      • mart

        Yes and that is why you look at the evidence and then make judgement who is putting a spin on stuff and who is not.

        It’s not rocket science.

        However, if you are lazy and just sit on your fat ass getting brainwashed by Fox and the rest that will not happen obviously.

    • wandamurline

      But his Daddie was….and his daddy did not like Hussein…he had a real grudge against the man over Hussein not cooperating with Bush during his tenure as president…and his daddie is a One World guy.

    • Mark Are

      Kate kat…I suspect you and MOST Americans suffer from the following disorder…

      Cognitive dissonance is a discomfort caused by holding conflicting ideas simultaneously. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance. They do this by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and actions.[2] Dissonance is also reduced by justifying, blaming, and denying. The phrase was coined by Leon Festinger in his 1956 book When Prophecy Fails, which chronicled the followers of a UFO cult as reality clashed with their fervent beliefs.[3][4] It is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology. A closely related term, cognitive disequilibrium, was coined by Jean Piaget to refer to the experience of a discrepancy between something new and something already known or believed.

      Experience can clash with expectations, as, for example, with buyer’s remorse following the purchase of an expensive item. In a state of dissonance, people may feel surprise,[2] dread, guilt, anger, or embarrassment. People are biased to think of their choices as correct, despite any contrary evidence. This bias gives dissonance theory its predictive power, shedding light on otherwise puzzling irrational and destructive behavior.

      “YOUR” government is full of angels and saints. Only OTHER peoples governments are full of Psychopaths. “OURS” is wonderful and sweet and would never hurt us. Only other people live in countries where “their” governments would hurt them. Take off your emerald glasses Kate. OZ IS DUNG BROWN not emerald green.

    • Grandma Sharon

      I know there is a lot of “underground” things going on within our government, but if began to doubt the reality of our government and its strength where will we be? I know 9-11 was horrible (Almost like watching old media streams from WW II) and I know it changed America as what we use to know – BUT if you deneigh the reality of our government … How can U be an American??? I know there are always things beyond the public eye. I know that by watching the TV story last weekend about 9-11 the American Government screwed up … but as my faith in Jesus Christ states there are only 2 men who have been willing to die for me – 1. JESUS CHRIST and 2. The American Troops. Get behind your troops and let them know they are not fighting in vain. Look around and let others know U are supporting our men in uniform. Lets learn from 9-11 and go forward. I know the lives lost were many, and for this I am sad. Lest we all forget back our men in uniform, and go forth asking the Lord, Jesus Christ for guidance in America. I know I pray Lord Bless America … but in the back of my mind I feel why should he? We are getting to be a totally )(()(*&& country. I ask that we look at the past as a lesson and go forth. I AM PATRIOTIC – My husband is a VN Vet. If we turn from America – then we need to move on and move out!! Love us or Leave us!! Amen. From this 68 year old wise grandmother.

    • Brian

      “I know I have talked with higher ups that were involved and they are not the kind that makes things up to protect the Government. they have told me to remain quite about the fact that it was NOT the government, but they should know me better than that lol.”

      A classic claim made by people who think they know everything but in fact, know absolutely nothing.

    • ifreemantoo

      Kate,

      So didn’t GWB get Henry Kissinger appointed as the first head of the 9/11 Commission? So when Kissinger quit because Bin Laden was his client well that’s just conspiracy talk and not fact. How big are your pom poms?

    • herman richardson

      They have you convinced, make sure you remember that when you get on the train so they can PROTECT you, that my friend is a fact that will come to pass, look how well they are protecting us now, yeah right.

    • Jay

      Kate Kat, are you familiar with the history of the Bush family? By your statement it appears you do not! If you were familiar with the history of the Bush family, you would not have made that statement!

  • oldbill

    The government simply responded poorly to the attack. Two of the planes should have been shot down instead of just one (the one over Pennsylvania left no engine imprints on the ground in the field. It was shot down). The second plane that hit the second Trade Center Tower could have been shot down. The planes that hit the first Trade Center and the Pentagon, likely could not have been shot down, considering the sorry state of US Defense readiness at the time. The only elected official that showed any leadership was Senator Biden when he came out of the bunker at the Capitol. Although I disagree with his politics, he has my respect. I am a Vietnam veteran.

    • JimRed

      The second plane was well on its way, while the first strike was still being evaluated as a possible accident. There would have been no time for a shootdown.

      • JeffH

        JimRed, there was more than enough time to shoot down the 2nd plane…roughly 1hr and 38 minutes between the two crashes! These passenger jets are tracked through the airspaces and there should have been alerts when they are out of their flight paths…there was an underlying reason why both planes were “allowed” to hit the Twin Towers as well as the third hitting the Pentagon.

      • Kate8

        JeffH – From what some military men reported, there was to be a “training exercise” that day, and they were told ahead of time to stand down.

        They stood and watched it happen, as they were under orders to do nothing.

      • http://www.headprimer.com WickedPickle

        And who ordered that instruction to take effect? No other than Chaney, hidden deep within his chamber of solice.

      • JimRed

        An hour and thirty eight minutes? I don’t know where you got your timeline. The two crashes were at 8:46:26 and at 9:02:54. Sixteen minutes and forty seconds. How long for someone in the national security apparatus to think “hey, suppose it was not an accident”, “who do I call”, “where do I find them”? The responsible party taking the call, “can this be an attack”, “how can I get confirmation”, “with whom do I have to clear my actions”? The next level of command, “what are our available resources and how quickly can we get them up”? Five to seven minutes before an order to respond is even given. They might have even gotten plane #2 if they had known exactly where to look. But I’ll bet that command was not yet fully convinced that it was an attack until the second plane made it crystal clear.

        Either you are misinformed, or are pushing an agenda.

      • JeffH

        JimRed, my bad…? Mis-informed I guess!

      • Reynold

        The Wikipedia article states that there were 17 minutes between the two airplane strikes.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center

      • vicki

        The first plane into a tower in modern history, combined with WHICH tower it was, combined with much intel that someone was planning some kind of attack is all the defense needed to initiate a callup and scramble of fighters to all sensitive targets in the eastern seaboard.

        If it later turned out to really be an accident then all those nice fighter pilots got a good exercise.

    • Greyhawk

      If we had a legitimate military presence in the USA today as we did in the past, an Air Force ADC (Air Defense Commnad) attack plane would have been launched immediately and these planes would have been shot down long before they hit the towers or the Pentagon. That used to be their mission, but this mission has either been eliminated or farmed out to Air National Guard or Air Force Reserve Units that do not keep aircraft on the ground running 24-7 with pilots on stand by alert as they did back in the days when we had a Real Military. Richard Nixon began the downsizing of the military and the closing of bases, and Ford followed suit, and Jimmy Carter continued the dismantling of our active forces, and our military has been going down hill ever since. That is why now we have so many national guardsmen fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq today who routinely have their orders extended, as volunteers are drying up and there are not enough live bodies willing to be sacrificed to the Military Industrial Complex.

      • “O”no

        Exactly right GreyHawk. The real conspiracy here is the “Gutting” of America from the superpower it once was. The United States saved the world and ended WWII. We did this because we were all united & had a purpose! Today the only purpose we have is to sit around and dream up conspiracy theories! WOW…to read the postings on this blog is very mind opening! To think of all the wasted time the individuals have wasted DREAMING up these elaborate schemes & plots is mind numbing! The real “Conspiracy” is the fact that the people who dream up these stories are going to get rich from idiots who will buy their books & DVD’s “explaining” the elaborate plots & “facts” behind the “Shadow Government” & how we are all “Slaves”. WAKE UP people…get off the couch & the computer…get a job & be productive in society. If you think AMERICA is so bad & corupt…MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY!!

      • mike

        It is suprising how blind people can be. All the evidence that shows that 9/11 was a inside job and you don’t see it??? WOW

      • JimRed

        Evidence? NO! Lies, half truths and speculation. Sells books, vids and DVDs, though.

      • BigBadJohn

        A 40-year-old Federal Aviation Administration rule that allowed commercial airline pilots to be armed was inexplicably rescinded two months before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, leading aviation security experts to lay at least some of the blame for the tragedy at the feet of airlines, none of which took advantage of the privilege while it was in effect.

        The FAA adopted the armed pilot rule shortly after the Cuban missile crisis of 1961 to help prevent hijackings of American airliners. It remained in effect for four decades.

        But in July 2001 – just two months prior to the Sept. 11 attacks – the rule was rescinded.

        Read more: Armed pilots banned2 months before 9-11 http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=13933#ixzz1XBjkthdf

      • JeffH

        Greyhawk…BINGO!

      • vicki

        Our air defense was gutted long before the ADC was weakend. The decision to deny law abiding citizens their CREATOR given right to keep and bear arms doomed those planes.

        This is what should have happened that day.
        http://www.scottbieser.com/sept11.html

    • Mark Are

      What a joke. The guv responded badly. I guess. Since they were BEHIND it along with Israel. Remember the dancing MOSSAAD AGENTS?

      • tomcat

        no way ddid the govt. know about this. It would be impossible to keep the dems and reps. all quiet about it. that would require them all working together an it would not happen.

      • “O”no

        Exactly right tomcat! The government can’t even agree about wiping their own a**es let alone putting a plot of this magnitude together & then keeping quit about it.

        OH wait a minute….I forgot…it wasn’t the “government” was it! It was the “SHADOW” government!!! You know..the real government behind the visible government.

        I’m not quit sure how many levels of “governments” we have behind the government we all see and know. But if it is even close to the one we know & see….here again….there is no way possible they could be behind this. I have to go through an act of congress just to talk to my congressman! I couldn’t imagine what I’d have to go through to speak to someone in the “Shadow” government. Can anyone provide me with the phone # or the website to get in touch with the Shadow Government?? I really have some questions to ask them?

      • TIME

        Tom.

        Perhaps you should read your post again, then think outside the box. I know that will strain your little gray matter pool but perhaps a rippel in there now and then will do you a lot of good.

        The truth is a Reb is no differant than Dem once they hit the DC beltway they become “ONE.”

        Now wake up and start learning and open your little mind to the vast world that is beyond that small box you live in.

      • JeffH

        Gee tomcat, why should an inside job be cleared through Congress? Think about it a moment…Congress only knows what they are told much like we only know what we are told…once again, prima facie.

        If you would even think that the CIA or any other agency, covert or not, is going to “broadcast” their operations to Congress then I have a bridge to nowhere you just might be interested in…cheap!

      • Jay

        Elementary my dear Watson, elementary! Is it just me Jeff, or have you noticed a rather sizeable swarming of nay-sayers descend on this site? They claim the conspiracy theories are all non-sense, yet they are willing to spend their time and energy refuting that which they consider is all non-sense! If i were them, i wouldn’t spend one second of my time. I wonder if they would invest as much time and energy refuting the claim, should someone here, claim to believe in Santa Claus? They’re so transparent!

      • JeffH

        Jay, without question! Expect the assault to get worse before it get better. I know you’re up for the fight as well as so many others. I have no problem standing “shoulder to shoulder” with all of you and plan to continue taking the fight to them under my terms, not theirs.
        Their terms of warfare are well publisized in Alinsky’s “Rules For Radicals”. To understand them is a key to defeating them.

      • BrotherPatriot

        Actually, Jay…It seems there are more & more people starting to speak up about the inconsistancies that the MSM/Gov has been feeding us.

        I think American’s are waking up overall to the crimes & frauds being perpetrated against We the People.

        Of course…My glass is half full…always and I have great hope that we are going to turn this all around.

        God Bless.

      • http://www.headprimer.com WickedPickle

        Ah! but this was for THEIR beneficial interests and not the people that they (so-calledly) represent.

    • mart

      You fall for that like all before you. Considering you are vietnam vet you must be at an age where you should be able to do your own thinking. Do your research first and then make conclusions.
      Cheney took over NORAD June 1 2011….strike you as a suspicions coincidence
      NORAD had about 3 drills running ON Sep 11, 2011 that effectively had most of their jets stationed in Canada and Iceland and only few jets left to protect US territory….strike you as suspicious?
      Do your research and don’t be lazy. Sick and tired of people like you.

      • TNJan

        Mart, did you mean to type “2001″ instead of 2011? I hope so, because Cheney was not in office in 2011 to take over ANYTHING, and Sept. 11, 2011, is NOT HERE YET!! Please correct your typo, gives more credence to what you write. No reflection on the intended content of your post!

      • JeffH

        According to General Eberhart, Commander of the North American Aerospace Defense Command and U.S. Northern Command after the first attack, “it took about 30 seconds” to make the adjustment to the real-world situation. Because of an increased number of staff, the exercise would prove to be an enabler of rapid military response for NORAD and its NEADS component, as senior officials who were manning NORAD command centers throughout the U.S. were available to make rapid decisions.

        The question remains unanswered as to why the second plane was allowed to hit the second tower and why was the third plane allowed to hit the pentagon?

      • JeffH

        Here is some interesting insight to the NORAD lack of response…

        IGNORAD – The Military Screw-up Nobody Talks About
        by Scott Shuger, January 16, 2002
        http://www.attackonamerica.net/ignorad.htm

  • Angel Wannabe

    I remember turning on the TV just as the the First of the Twin Towers was burning.__I was on the phone with my husband when the second plane struck, the second of the twin towers_-I remember shouting, my God New York IS under attack!
    ___First of all, were not ever going to know the complete story on 9/11. As far as the Guv goes, we’re told only what “they” want us to hear & believe. As the saying goes if there are lies, and they’re repeated often enough, they eventually become regarded as truth.__

    Now, I’m quite sure, as far as the cell phone ban on jet liners go, that was the last thing on passengers minds, when they called home after they’re plane was hi-jacked. My guess is, they knew they may never go home again, and wanted to say goodbye and at least alert someone of they’re plight. Again_ speculation, without survivor recount, and the black box.
    Even if there is black boxes to speak of, would the truth ever be told and not manipulated anyway?!

    As to what I think the the reason was that Bush wasn’t immediately sent back to Washington after the attacks, there was already thousands dead in the Twin Towers, no one knew at that point if there were more attacks coming, and they didn’t want the President dead too.__(I remember standing on my deck after the attacks looking at a distant power plant, and wondering if they’d target the nuke plants next?!

    As to still being in a war in Afghanistan while Bin Laden is reportedly dead “again”??, we’ll never be rid of them. If one enemy dies, another takes they’re place. They are like the Plague, they’re gonna infect each subsequent generation._ie,Generational wars.

    The Passport lying untouched on the ground amid the rubble of the Twin Towers? Divine intervention? or perfectly placed evidence as a diversion?__You be the judge!_-Questions remain and will remain__WE’LL NEVER KNOW THE WHOLE STORY, EVER.

    • Mark Are

      Two things…Google Architects for 9/11 Truth. And be sure to Google and read “Beware The Psychopaths my Son” by Clinton Callahan, “The Twilight of the Psychopaths by Dr Kevin Barrett. That will give you enough to chew on for 10 years.

      • Lost in Paradise

        That is if you are gullible enough to believe everything you read in a book, or see on television, like most people.

    • mart

      actually it is pretty easy to piece the story together if you do your research. they left more than enough trails of evidence to piece it together.
      as for your comment about the cell phone calls. it was not whether they wanted to call – of course they would want to. it is a question of whether they could in fact make the calls and those calls were impossible to make.

      • Angel Wannabe

        mart, I’ve done plenty of research on the topic_makes no difference how much you research it, NO ONE will ever know the whole truth. It’s all speculation. Most of us on this forum know the Power of the Federal Government and the agencies that work to protect them and they’re interests.

      • http://www.headprimer.com WickedPickle

        And THAT’S why even the bare-assed truth will be discounted as a conspiracy.

      • hicusdicus

        If the government openly admitted that they were behind 911 and set it up as a good excuse to kill Arabs. The conspiracy nuts would not believe them and say the Muslims did it.

      • Jay

        This is true hic, whatever the government tells you, believe the opposite!

      • hicusdicus

        Jay, if the government tells you something that is not a lie, it would not be the government it would be your mother.

      • Jay

        Well you know hicusdicus, as BB King use to say: My parents say they love me, but they could be jiving too…

      • Bob C.

        hicusdicus

        I believe what the law of physics tells me, and physics tells me a dead flame (not mixed with an artificial source of oxygen) can not reach temps. hot enough to melt steel
        there are thousands of engineers now that have openly challenged the findings of 9/11.
        who are you going to believe? a government that anyone with an IQ over a gold fish knows is corrupt as hell, and lies about everything, or private citizens with training in their prospective fields with nothing to gain. just follow the money, can you say ‘military industrial complex’

      • Angel Wannabe

        mart, “as for your comment about the cell phone calls. it was not whether they wanted to call – of course they would want to. it is a question of whether they could in fact make the calls and those calls were impossible to make.”

        go back a read what Bob Livingston wrote, he stated that, cell phones were “NOT ALLOWED” to be used higher than 10,000 feet. That being said, Cells phones that don’t worked because of being “Technically Impossible” AND those cell phones that work, but are “Not Allowed”__ are two entirely different scenarios?!?

      • BigBadJohn

        regardless… I traveled for living in the years leading up to and after 9/11.

        Even though it was a mandatory policy to turn off your cell phones, on more than one occasion, I left mine on and watched as we climbed out. Generally I would lose a signal at about 5-6000 feet. By 10000 feet there definitely was no signal.
        Someone else mentioned satellite phones, but that is NOT what people carry with them.

        So how high was that flight in PA?
        If there is a coverup story on that flight it was because it was shot down.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Angel Wannabe,

        I said the technology did not allow the use of cellphones.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

  • Vicki

    Let me see. We have to ask the king for permission to take our private property from our house to that of a friend. Or even to the store and back.

    We have to ask the king for permission to add to our castles.

    We have to ask the king for permission (and he routinely denies it) to grow a simple herb. Or even to possess it or use it.

    The King demands and gets between 35 and 60% of the money paid to us for our hard labor.

    And S C wonders if we are slaves?

    1 tyrant 3000 miles away or 3000 tyrants 1 mile away. Just what is the difference?

    • Bruce

      Vicki, What a great post, thank you you have made my day.

    • Greyhawk

      Great post Vicki. And, this article is an example of just how corrupt our government truly is. I said a long time ago the the assassination and coverup of the JFK assassination marked the End of the Innocence for the USA and that JFK was our last Legitimate President. Every POTUS since JFK, beginning with LBJ, has been a Puppet of the Shadow Government which is still in power and is behind every other big lie that We, the People are told, in order to Justify any and all Actions by this government, including Making Wars on Whoever They Choose to Tell Us are our enemies. It was Communism and Vietnam for LBJ who perpetrated a war that enriched the Military Industrial Complex but destroyed millions of lives in South East Asia, and over 58 thousand young and innocent American Soldiers, not to mention the millions who still suffer mentally or physically from this war For Profit perpetrated by LBJ. And, every single war since then has been Staged and the Big Lies have just become bigger each time our government decides to do the bidding of the International Industrial-Military Complex that keeps it’s Cash in the International Banks that manipulate the monies of the world. And, our current government is but an arm of this One World Government Regime made up of Scoundrels in the Shadow Government that work for the International Businessmen and Corporations that make their money from Wars and Death. The Big Lie that Oswald, a lone assassin, assassinated JFK was the beginning of The Big Lies that have followed. Oswald was set up as a patsy and the Warren Commission got together and concocted a sloppy coverup that was a Big Lie and it was sold to the public as Fact. LBJ used the Gulf of Tonkin incident Which Never Happened, as the Big Lie to Kickoff the Vietnam War and the commitment of millions of young draftees to be used as cannon fodder as LBJ and his cronies made billions during the perpetration of this Needless and Criminal War. The 9-11 attacks are just the latest in the Big Lie Series that goes on until this day in order to Wage Wars that are very profitable for Defense Contractors and International Bankers and Businessmen, but are very seriously deadly to those they wage war upon. What will be the next BIG Lie that this Regime tells. And, this Regime is made up of our Elected Government Officials who pose as enemies, but in actuality are all One Party that Represents the International Interests of Big Banks and Big Corporations and especially Big Military Industrial Complex Corporations which President Eisenhower warned us about before leaving office in 1961. JFK was about to put a Nail in the Coffin of the Military Industrial Complex and was going to pull the Plug on Vietnam, and when he made that declaration, he signed his own Death Warrant as the Military Industrial Complex ordered his Execution, and they framed Lee Harvey Oswald to take the Fall. That was the First Big Lie that has lead up to the latest Big Lies which is how this government has operated every day since November 22, 1963, the day that the USA died and a Puppet Regime took over. It was a coup de etat and to date, nobody has been willing to say this out loud, but, in fact that is what occurred on November 22, 1963. Our government was overthrown and it has been run by a shadow government ever since, and the Insiders in DC know this, and that is why I have ZERO Respect or Confidence in the Federal Government and the Stooges we have in the United States Congress, regardless of party affilliation. In the end, they are all Big Liars who continue to Perpetrate the Illusion that our Votes actually count for anything at all. They do not. Locally, your vote may count in electing a local politician, but behind the scenes, even the local politicians get their dictates from the Feds, and the Feds are Fascists.

      • Mike, in Dallas, TX

        instead of sitting on your butts and complaining why don’t you get up and do something constructive and make a change. FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE, if you take action . . . vote in the people that will make the difference. I have, Obama the looooooser will be gone and a conservative will take his place. Then watch the jobs come back, taxes go down, National Security go up!!! quit whining, get that lard butt off the couch and do something!!!!!

      • Mark Are

        YOU have GOT to be DREAMING! Someone pinch Mike…

      • tomcat

        lots of people are “dreaming” as you put it. well, dreams are what reality is made of….

      • Ray

        What is YOUR solution for getting rid of someone like o-bum-uh bin lyin ? Let the ‘other people’ take care of it ?? If that is your idea of citizen involvement, YOU are dreaming . .

        This is the big problem – we have become complacent and trust our institutions to do the ‘right things’ . .look what our ‘leaders’ have done just in the past 3 years – -

      • Buddy

        Vote in the people who will make the difference?

        We have been voting for two centuries and here we are!

        We are controlled by a small clique of people who buy us with our own tax monies. We, collectively, are easily led and our collective time preferences are so high that we have eschewed saving because of hollow promises that the “government” will make everything all right.

        And the government convinces us of our need for it. The 9/11 tragedy is just a step in “proving” to us that the nanny state is vital to our survival. Another step may be another war – like Iran shouldn’t have the Bomb (although Israel, Pakistan and India have the Bomb). You may not recognize it, but we are in the society which “1984″ portrayed.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Mike in Dallas, you’d better get on the band wagon bud, its way to late to vote the good ones in there, because there isn’t many “Good Ones” left. When they are voted in, the career politicians tell the Newbies, just how its gonna be, and its Washington Politics as usual. Isn’t it obvious?__We have elections but not ever changes?!

      • ifreemantoo

        Angel, I’m only concerned about two things. 1) Auditing the Fed 2) Ron Paul as the next President. In general I don’t care much for voting, but in reality it is one of the few rights the mischief makers allow us. The other right allowed is politics.

        The last “partial” Federal Reserve audit showed some interesting things, like 16 trillion dollars going to foreign corps and foreign banks. The Ron Paul inspiration to Audit the Federal Reserve is causing the politics to go the right way. Every bit of mischief we are taxed and indebted too is funded by the Federal Reserve in one way or another.

        “If the love of money is the root of all evil” then follow the money makers and completely expose their mischief and let them eat the debt and mischief they created as pay back. Believe if you cut the root of the evil (and that is the manufacturing of money and where it goes to) you will make Obama or GWB insignificant puppets.

        You must expose the mischief by Auditing the Federal Reserve; PERIOD. You must elect the only man who in the end will have less and limited power, because he believes the Constitution only allows limited power to servants of free people.

      • Donald

        What’s conservatives got to do with it? Bush was and is a conservative and 9/11 happened on his watch

      • JeffH

        Donald, did you read Bob’s earlier article “Prima Facie”(a fact presumed to be true unless it is disproved)?

        Bush was never a conservative!

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan

        I hear Bush is responsible for sunspots too.

      • hicusdicus

        This just came in, Bush causes erectile dysfunction. Get your DVD now. Free packet of Viagra included with each order.

      • Jay

        Thanks for the tip hicusdicus!

      • Freedom For All

        hicusdicus
        Bush IS erectile disfunction and it spread to his brain at an early age

      • Old Henry

        Donald:

        Bush is NOT a conservative. He, like Perry, is smoke and mirrors.

      • hicusdicus

        Any bush and Viagra go together.

      • John

        All the people elected in opposition to Obama have done Absolutely Nothing for jobs or anything else. They seem to be only concerned with abortion, gay marriage or cutting inconsequential, meaningless programs.
        The only man who really speks up is Sen. Bernie Sanders in the Senate.

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan

        Yeah, Obama is way to the right as far as Bernie Sanders, the Commie from Vermont, is concerned. That’s spelled Vermont I believe, where child rape is the fault of society rather than the rapist. Hope Sanders launches a 3rd party bid for the Presidency to help whoever the conservative candidate is.

      • jim

        Your solution to all the problems is to VOTE!?!?!?!?!?! We have been doing that for years and have not yet learned the secret for VOTING to make a difference!

        Every year, when this voting machine starts up, we get all these promises from the Candidates which none of them seem to ever keep once they get into office. That’s one problem! Another one is Main Stream Media telling us that “….if you vote for that Independent Candidate, (not wanting the better of two evils) you’re throwing your vote away because he’s so close to being a Republican that only Republicans would vote for him. This will insure a Democrat will win because the Republican vote will be split!”

        This is a logical conclusion….but is it true? It may be that telling people this will stop just enough people to make the Independent Candidate look as if they can’t even muster up 10% of the votes. And, thus, they appear to be on to something. But it can also be seen in another light…..the media is trying to direct the thoughts of America by placing into our minds certain words and images.

        People, people, people…..do your own investigation and vote for the one you want. Stop listening to those fat heads with the big mouths because thy only want their will to be imposed upon us all! There is where the real difference can be attained…..by all of America voting with their heart and mind without the influence of the Main Stream Media!!!

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan

        A lot of people felt they voted with heart and mind in 2008! Remember the scenes around Obama’s victory? One man’s illusion is another man’s dream.

        Good luck getting MSM out of the picture. Political ads represent a large piece of MSM revenue, even if MSM was impartial!

      • iowaheretic

        I really like Bob Livingston articles. I think he’s one of the brightest writers out there. But, I just can’t believe he has such a following of inbred racists morons (right wing christians)! Everything that was talked about in this article was caused by and done under CONSERVATIVES in the government. Obama had NOTHING to do with it! Granted, he’s absolutely no better than Bush, but what makes you think the next conservative elected will be ANY different? A bunch of conservative’s were elected last November. Has anything changed? Libertarians and or Ron Paul will be the ONLY ones that will change for the better towards the people.

      • Old Henry

        Well iowaheretic, as stated above Bush was not and is not a conservative. The Repubs might have controlled the Congress, but it was not controlled by conservatives.

        Being a Republican does not automatically equate to being a conservative.

      • Bob C.

        uh, we had 8 long years of bush… a republican, and nothing was better under him, 9/11 was under his watch, and the wars started under his watch.
        Bush put a stain on the republican party that last to this day!

        Ron Paul is the ONLY honest man in Washington, so please, don’t just say “vote in a republican” 9/11 could have just as easily been pulled off under those liars Romney or Perry.
        both are socialists RINO’s working for the NWO, just as bush Sr., and bush jr did.

        ***RON PAUL 2012***

      • http://kschu2@juno.com K Schu

        Under Ron Paul, we would be attacked much more then we were on 911. He does not believe in keeping America safe from terrorists. Wake up people!!

      • bluejacket

        Bush was no conservative, let alone a Republican, he was a shill for the NWO.

      • vicki

        K Schu says:
        “Under Ron Paul, we would be attacked much more then we were on 911. He does not believe in keeping America safe from terrorists. Wake up people!!”

        Under Ron Paul we won’t need him to protect us from terrorists. He believes in the Constitution AS written. Terrorists will find no cowards here but they will find a rifle behind every blade of grass.

      • Christin

        Vicki,

        Love it !

        Ron Paul 2012… and clean the House and the Senate for new blood (except the Tea Party who are now serving)

      • Old Henry

        What the hell are you talking about K Schu?

        Ron Paul believes that is the ONLY thing our military is to be used for. He does not believe we should be policing the world and sticking our nose into every other country’s business.

      • Old Henry

        Mike:

        Tjat will only happen if we elect Ron Paul. The others are simply stooges.

      • wandamurline

        I was in the 9th grade the day JFK was assignated, and I told my mother that LBJ was behind it….I have always believed that the FBI and LBJ killed JFK and his brother Bobbie. I will always believe that as LBJ was a corrupt man…he was the one that decided that American could no longer bomb North Vietnam…that’s right, we could not go into North Vietnam and take out the enemy. And you are correct, with the exception of Reagan, we have not had an American president since…they are all corrupt and the one we have now is not only corrupt, he is ineligible to be holding the office….which someday will be proven.

      • Angel Wannabe

        wandamurline, Absolutely agree!_after JFK’s death, his brother Bobby vowed to continue his brothers policies.

      • JeffH

        wandamurline, I too was in my 9th grade spanish class at that time but I sure had no clue that our government was capable of such dirty deeds…my how that has changed over the years.

        911 Commission or the Warren Commission or any other government commission all equal poor math, reasoning and have more holes in them than a block of swiss cheese.

      • armyvet

        Not only was LBJ responsible for all that, he also was the one who transferred the SS money to the general fund in order that it could be spent by our greedy government, replaced by worthless IOUs that were never repaid! Why is SS broke? Not because of us Seniors who put the money in, but those idiots who stole it! Evict not only the WH Squatter but all the congress who spend our hardearned money in worthless projects to get re-elected.

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan

        He may also have helped Kennedy defeat Nixon in an very close election, due to voter fraud in several states including Texas.

      • http://none Jonathan Erskine

        The answer is simple: Whoever these people are They want all the money. The average debt for an American citizen now is over 100% of their yearly earnings. Most of this debt has accrued interest,so we are essentially all working for Wall St.There is the myth of rising unemployment, but the reality is the % of working age Americans is much higher than the 1950-1960 era. The percentage has gradually increased since then, in fact we have one of the highest percentages of working class in the world. Iceland has the highest. We also have a higher percentage of debt/capita. I would suspect Iceland is higher.The “united We Stand” hysteria following 9/11 was just a ruse to divide the country. We have been involved in a social civil war since then with increased partisanship. With the conservatives and liberals , basically just calling each other names and the partisan back and forth shift in Congress so essentially nothing can get done by the two parties of NO.

      • mike

        Aman, You hit the nail on the head. what they did on 9/11 was a crime on
        the American people, they created 9/11 so they could implement new laws to take away more of our freedoms. If we the American people don’t stand up against these tyrents we will become slaves.

      • Bud Tugly

        In the Southeast Asian conflict I was involved with the gathering of information. Many of the reports I brought back were ignored or superseded by communiques from Washington, thousands of miles away. These communiques included instructions for actions determined by “experts” who were not there and based on false assumptions. reports that did not conform to these assumptions were dismissed. Result: many dead on both sides, lots of destruction, lots of dead friends, lots of blood on hands that can never feel clean again, and now we can go back as tourists or buy stuff made there.

        Why didn’t we just skip the war and go as tourists in the first place?

      • Tom Anderson

        Dear Greyhawk,

        I have never heard my exact sentiments expressed so eloquently!

        I agree 100% with your perspective.

        It took nearly 50 years for the CIA to admit that LHO was a CIA “agent”. Just weeks ago we learn that Jackie O. felt that LBJ was complicit in JFK’s murder. How long will it take for us to learn the truth that 9/11 was a Mossad operation?

        What you did NOT bring up is that Obama, Obama’s Mother and Obama’s maternal grandmother had long-term and well know CIA ties – were they actual CIA agents?

        The last “company” that Obama worked for (BIA) was a CIA front company. Obama, as a young man, was invited to partridge hunt in Pakistan by the head of the Pakistani Military – when was the last time that that Pakistani General invited YOU to go partridge hunting in Pakistan?

        Obama’s father flew from Kenya to Honolulu on a CIA flight – CIA paid expenses – what does THAT tell you? Obama is a lving incarnation of our CIA. It paid for his Daddy, his foster-Daddy and him Mommy (she worked for USAID – a CIA front too).

        Why didn’t you bring this up?

        Of course, 9/11 was in inside job!!! The CIA would have bungled it for sure so most elements must have been handled by the Mossad – that explains the “dancing Israelis” in New Jersey and the early calls to the Jews in the towers. Would Israelis murder Americans? Of course! they murdered all of our sailors on the USS Liberty – ANYTHING to save and protect Israel.

        My prediction – Israel has marine mines of forged or authentic Iranian manufacture. Israel will set one of those mines under one of our big naval ships (possibly in the Persian Gulf) and blow it to kingdom-come. It will be a great coup for Israel – the USA will declare war on Iran and our soldiers will fight and die for Israel’s war. Them Israelis are super sharp! And all americans will rally to the cause – such FOOLS!

    • Lost in Paradise

      I own realestate, but why do I feel like it is not really mine? I have limited rights as a owner, and since 91, even less property rights. If I was injured or something that caused me to not work for 3years, they would take my property for back taxes! Its paid for, but I really don’t own it? What the fK! lIke our constitution really means diddly anymore.

      • jaro

        If anyone believes they own real estate property, just stop paying property taxes to see who really owns it.

      • Betty Sexton

        Amen to that. We do not own anything. Just loose your job and not be able to pay your creditors nor be able to file bankruptcy because you do not have the money, they take all your possessions, even your house because you can not pay your taxes. Amen, our constitution has gone down the drain in the sewer. We only pretend so we do not go nuts. Let me get some more money and I will head to the hills. There is no security anymore in this country. READ THE BIBLE. It tells you about the coming end to this system of things.

      • Kate8

        Paying you property taxes isn’t even a guarantee anymore. People are now being vacated because of trumped-up “code violations”. Sometimes they are told that they must comply with, say, $100,000 in upgrades, knowing full well that they cannot.

        Can you say Agenda 21?

        They are already conning people into submitting to “home inspections”.

        We must get over thinking that we must comply with every new infringement on us by this beast of a government. Are we really such a bunch of sniveling lilly-livers?

      • armyvet

        Obamacare also contains specific rules concerning selling your home! It will require another 3.8% sales tax to pay for this horrific boondoggle!

      • hicusdicus

        The bible will tell you about any thing you want to know and even things you don’t want to know.

      • Angel Wannabe

        jaro, your right, we just rent our own property. Cuz the masta’s let us.

      • hicusdicus

        No taxes no military but plenty of mosques.

      • http://msn KEn

        I was doing some reaading on the mormon religion and their prophet, Joseph Smith back it the 1840′s prophetsied, “That America will be destroyed from “WITHIN” and the constitution “will hang by a thread”. and at this time all this is becoming true.

      • Greg T

        Ben Franklin didn’t think that it would last.

        Most founding fathers knew it would not last without Christians.

    • http://www.nashvilledesignhousepainters.com Rick

      Yes, Vicki your are right. 1st two planks of the comunist manifesto we have in the “Land Of The Free” are the income tax and a Central Bank (Fed reserve) check out http://www.incometaxtruth.com

    • http://www.headprimer.com WickedPickle

      Amd don’t forget forbidding cigarette smoking (that the g’ment freely gave to every veteran of ww11) in a state that turns right around and legalizes an act that up until the change of the millinum was illegal. So the feds say, “go head ny,ny destroy the smoking heathens but remember any one who still finds a way to purchase the cigs, a portion goes to us”. (wait until the next freedom affects you personally but wait! by then it’ll be too late to protest).

    • Old Henry

      I echo the sentiments Vicki. Great post.

      Do you really thin you own your house / property? Try not paying the taxes to the king.

      • hicusdicus

        I think property taxes are a small pittance to pay for property ownership rights.

      • bigdogbill119

        HICUSDICUS…WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? OPEN YOU FING EYES!!!

      • hicusdicus

        Whats wrong with me? There is nothing in this life worth having that is free. Never has been never will be. Where do you think you are, in heaven.

      • Vicki

        hicusdicus says:
        “I think property taxes are a small pittance to pay for property ownership rights.”

        Ummmm.. Property taxes are only a small pittance for someone who has enough income that their tax is a small pittance. This condition is not true for most people.

        If you have to pay the king for a right to own something then you do not own it. And you are NOT paying for a right you are paying for a privilege. A privilege can be revoked at any time.

        1 tyrant 3000 miles away or 3000 tyrants one mile away. Is there a difference?

  • s c

    After reading your article, Bob, I have but two questions. 1) are we living in a utopia? If we are, this sucks.
    2) are we slaves? I’m not wearing chains, but I do have the strangest feeling that this is what the newest form of slavery is (when you don’t wear chains, but the net effect is a strong sense that you’re going to be a slave for the rest of your life). Either way, I don’t like it. Both options truly suck.

    • susie

      You asked questions that I have been wanting to ask and receive a truthful answer to for years. Slavery, my brother this is Modern Day Slavery (modern)we all are bounded. Can’t you see it, I do. Can’t you feel, I most definately do. What we need right now is to come together as PEOPLE, because “THE PEOPLE” are not doing anything good for us, in my opinion.

      • Gary Davis

        “How did that passport of Satam al-Suqami survive the crash? The plane was exploded into a giant fireball upon impact with WTC 1. Yet the passport exited his pocket or luggage and fell unharmed to the ground near the tower, where it was spotted by a passerby and turned over to police despite the bedlam going on all around? How is it that his was the only identification found out of all the passengers on the plane?”

        From account of sinking of HMS Hood by the Bismarck in 1941:

        Ted Briggs, on the compass platform near the bridge, recalls a huge sheet of flame followed by Hood listing rapidly. When the list reached 30 degrees Briggs realised that “she was not coming back”.[3] Briggs states that no order was given to abandon ship and that he found himself in the water about 50 yards (46 m) from Hood as her B-Turret went under after he made it only half way down the ladder leading to the bridge. He also could remember how the compass master had stood on the platform “tall and fearless” as the water pulled him down. Briggs himself attempted to swim away from the vessel but was pulled under by her as she started toward the ocean bottom. Briggs remembers struggling, giving up hope, and then miraculously being propelled to the surface. This was probably the result of air escaping from the ship, possibly the bridge windows collapsing and releasing trapped air. After spending three hours in the water and near dead from hypothermia, he was rescued by HMS Electra. ~ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Briggs).

        At least three airmen survived free falls of around 20,000 ft (6,000 m) without a parachute in the Second World War; Lt. I.M. Chisov was a Russian bomber pilot, Sgt. Alan Magee was an American gunner on a B-17, and Sgt. Nicholas Alkemade was a British gunner on a Lancaster bomber. It is estimated that a person free falling in the “box” position reaches a terminal velocity of around 120 mph (200 km/h) after a fall of just 1,000 ft (300 m), so the additional 19,000 ft (5,700 m) doesn’t make these falls that much more dangerous, apart from the lack of oxygen at high altitude. All three men lost consciousness during their falls, and two of them landed on terrain covered in deep snow, which was probably a significant factor in the survivability of the falls.

        Vesna Vuloviæ, a flight attendant from Yugoslavia, survived a fall from 10,160 m (33,330 ft) when the DC-9 airplane she was traveling in blew up over Srbská Kamenice, Czechoslovakia, on January 26, 1972. She remained strapped into her flight attendant’s seat in the tail section of the plane, which remained attached to the washrooms. The assembly struck the snow-covered flank of a mountain. A terrorist bomb was thought to be the cause. Vuloviæ broke both legs and was temporarily paralyzed from the waist down. No other passengers survived.

        As can be seen from the above, many things happen that cannot be expected, yet fall within the realm of “explicable”. And if a man can be saved from being dragged down hundreds of feet to his death underwater by a pocket of air being released by shattering windows, or if an air hostess can plummet 33,000 feet and survive, why should it be regarded as “impossible” that a passport survived, after having been thrown clear?

        As for debris being found up to eight miles away from Flight 93, it is surely worth remembering that hijackers put the aircraft into several steep climbs and dives in order to try and prevent the passengers taking over the cockpit, before – as the Flight Deck Recorder reveals – the hijackers decided to smash into the ground rather than lose control.
        As the plane crashed upside down at about 550 MPH and in a 40 degree dive, there is every chance that one or more panels may have become loosened, one being sucked into an engine, causing an explosion and/or causing the engine to shear off. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93 for more details.

        As for “firemen hearing explosions”; there are ample cases where unexpectedly loud noises – such as would be the case as floors above or below the firemen suddenly collapsing, leading to intolerable strain on the girders and causing a House of Cards collapse – being misconstrued, even by professionals. Personally, I was on a ship’s bridge when the lookout, a man of thirteen years’ experience, exclaimed he could see a UFO, in broad daylight. Several pairs of binoculars trained on to the object, and the object was estimated by another trained observer (between three and five years’ experience) to be approximately fifty feet across and about ten nautical miles away, flying at about two hundred fifty knots and performing sudden changes of direction. The object then turned toward the ship and resolved into – a sea bird, which had never been more than a mile away, that had reflected the bright afternoon sun off its underside and flanks!
        There are also cases from WWII Britain (Wales), where veterans of the Western Front Battles of the Great War told people there was a Naval Gunfire barrage taking place off he coast, and hundreds of people had climbed the mountain, only to discover that the “gunfire” was actually the fins of the barrage balloons flapping in the heavy wind, and hitting – and being amplified by – the main body of the barrage balloon!

        I could probably go through and find answers from the net for each and every point raised here; but as I am preaching to bunch of people who would probably rather believe that Dubya (and before him Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Bush Sr) orchestrated the attacks, it seems pointless.
        Strangely enough, these people seem less agitated by the fact that Obama has stated he no longer needs Congress to back him declaring War, as the UN has given him approval; strange too that he pushes through Laws that Congress and the Representatives reject, by making them Executive Orders, in contravention of US Law. Get agitated about those things, people!

      • Clay

        Thank You Gary, I must commend you for your comments. I have spent the last 2 9/11 anniverseries shredding conspiracy theories. Several things to add: the AA 11 terrorists were either in, or in the vicinity of the cockpit, the fuel is in the center of the aircraft. AA11 hit the N tower at approx 460 mph, peircing the tower and expelling plane parts and other debris out of the opposite side of the tower before the fireball ignited. Jet fuel is difficult to ignite and undoubtably some of the fuel was expelled before igniting. The official version of why WTC 7 collapsed is that it was damaged by the collapse of WTC 1 & that flaming debris from WTC 1 struck WTC 7 causing fires to start while similtaneously the fire suppression system was compromised by damage. WTC 7 did not collapse until 5:20 pm. Finally, any conspiracy theory that you can come up with would have to involve hundreds if not thousands of people from across the spectrum of governmental agencies: local, state and federal. Except for hollywood garbage where anything is possible there is absolutely no possibility that all of these people would remain silent. As a veteran I say to any of you who state or imply that the U.S. military was involved; F*ck You A**hole!!! come say that to my face!!! obviously you know nothing about the U.S. military. The oath of enlistment states: I [state your name] do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the U.S. against all enemies, foreign and domestic. That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same… While there are certainly personnel in the military who do not fully understand the oath the majority do, especially the senior NCO’s like myself who volunteered to serve because we love our country and the constitution is the heart and soul of our country. I deeply distrust the government with solid, logical reasons for that distrust. However, there is not a single conspiracy theory that I have seen that is even remotely plausible [except in h-wood and tv garbage]. If you think rank and file military would conspire to murder americans you are a MORON!!! There is no possibilty that an A-3 flew into the Pentagon in broad daylight. I lived in Arlington,VA for 10 yrs before joining the military,[i'm not a mil brat]it is loaded with military personnel from across the spectrum, many of whom would have noticed an A-3 bomber flying at low altitude. You conspiracy theorists are going to have to work much, much harder on your hollwood induced fantasies to convince me to that 9/11 was an inside job.

      • Clay

        Sorry, I was distracted at the end and got sloppy. I’m certain that intelligent people can understand what I meant.

      • Clay

        P.P.S., Look closely at the picture of WTC 1 collapsing that accompanies this article. I have watched several dozen controlled demolitions, several of them live. This clearly is not a controlled demolition. Immediately before the collapse Frank DeMartini, the port authority contruction chief who was murdered when WTC 1 collapsed, reported hearing the beams in the central core creaking and stated that he thought it was going to collapse. It is interesting that conspiracy theorists like to quote Mr. DeMartini stating that the WTTs were designed to survive a plane crash, but you never hear them speak about him stating that the building was going to collapse. Of course he would have said that the buildings could survive a plane crash, only a complete dunce [which he by all accounts was most certainly not] would publicly state that the towers might be vulnerable to a plain crash. Also, just watched 9/11 science and conspiracy on natgeo. According to this show I probably underestimated how many people an inside job would have required. Several people on this show beleive it would have taken thousands of people.

      • Tom Anderson

        Dear Clay,

        Is the US Military a threat to the USA and complicit in the murder of its citizens? I don’t know – I don’t have any first hand knowledge of that.

        But I DO KNOW of Operation Northwoods – The VERY HIGHEST COMMAND LEVELS of the US Military were complicit in planning and authorizing the murder of US Citizens! It is all well documented – the plan has been declassified. Go READ IT! I repeat GO READ IT!

        It is rumored that JFK fired Joint Chief of Staff, General Lemnitzer, over proposing that plan. JFK said he would split the CIA into a thousand pieces, instead his brain was a thousand specks on the trunk of his Lincoln – best murder LBJ ever was involved in.

        Got a bone to pick with me? Then ignore me, but go read the presidential farewell addresses of our MOST ILLUSTRIOUS Generals and Presidents – Eisenhower and General Washington. Both warned in their farewell speeches of the horrendous threat that our OWN MILITARY posed to the USA and our constitutional republic.

        When our beloved nation finally falls completely it will NOT be to a bunch of rag heads or commies. Our own US Military will be the instrument of the downfall of our nation – Ike and Washington BOTH saw it exactly that way.

        The MILITARY takeover nearly was accomplished during the FDR administration – it was ONLY because of General Smedley Butler’s patriotism that the plot was foiled – otherwise we would be living today under a military dictatorship with US soldiers rounding up us Ron Paul supporters.

        I am a TRUE BELIEVER in the 2nd amendment, except, perhaps we should NOT trust our own military with weapons – only lowly citizens should be allowed to pack! Let our soldiers carry swords – that would help prevent the massively increasing suicide rates in our military.

        I always want US citizens BETTER ARMED than the US Military!

        Those were US Army tanks which killed those kids and citizens in Waco!!!

        As I recall, it was General Butler ( two time medal of honor ) who said that the US Military was a “racket”.

      • Clay

        Tom, your selective knowledge of history is almost is almost as bad as your reading comprehension skills. Where to start?
        I do not need to read about Northwoods or Ike or the great George Washington. I knew about them before 9/11
        Operation Northwoods was never likely to be executed. One of the specific reasons why is because the senior officers did not believe that RANK AND FILE [O-4 to E-1 [my def]] military members would follow orders that resulted in the murder of U.S. citizens. There is a tape recording from the Kennedy white house of senior admin officials discussing this very point.
        Secondly, Ike was warning us about these same educated criminal idiots who brought us Northwoods, Bay of Pigs, Tonkin Gulf, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, etc… Lead by the overeducated criminal moron R. Mcnamara [one should always be wary of so-called brilliant people, they have a long history of flawed logic and reasoning, eg,. our current professor in chief.] These same criminal actions resulted in profound fundamental changes to our military structure, the results of which make it extremely unlikey for these criminal actions to be repeated.
        Most of the founding fathers warned of the dangers of maintaining standing armies. They did so because of the lessons learned from europe up to that point and had sound, logical reasons for these warnings which I acknowledge and accept.
        Every single service member today [and pre 9-11] receives mandatory yearly briefings on the law of warfare. This briefing states clearly and unequivically that it is ILLEGAL TO FOLLOW AN ILLEGAL ORDER, that if you do so you are conducting an illegal criminal act and that you WILL be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Furthermore if you conduct actions that an ordinary person would reasonably perceive to be a criminal act then you will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I have personally seen this carried out. The military does not play games; they will crucify rank and file members even for perceived crimes, eg,.SEALs prosecutted for alledgedly punching captured al-quaeda member. Inexplicably, Generals and Admirals seem to be exempted from prosecution for anything but the most egregious of crimes.
        FDR was a criminal fascist himself. He violated the constition more times than any president in U.S. history. The likelihood of the U.S. military or veterans conducting a coup are extremely slim. We are the only major nation in the world that has never had a military coup.
        I believe that Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc… are criminal travesties of
        justice. The military vehicles at Waco were obtained under false pretenses [drug raid] Except for the TNG helicopters the vehicles were operated by feds not the military. They were combat engineer vehicles and armored personell carriers, not tanks.
        Lastly, I swore an oath to the constitution of the United States of America. Like the majority of service members that I know, That oath stays with me to the grave. If you read the oath you will notice that it states all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC & that I will bear TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME. We are sworn to die protecting our constitution in it’s entirety against ANYONE who threatens it for any reason and expected to know the constitution itself, so as not to follow someone’s flawed interpretation or intentional distortion of it.

        AVERAGE JOE PATRIOT, unfortunately your comments are not specific enough or well thought out enough to be worthy of reply.

        Once again: ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE IN THE HOLLYWOOD GARBAGE FANTASY WORLD. If you can produce one logical, well reasoned theory about 9/11 that exists within the realm of possibility, I’m all ears until then don’t waste my time

      • Tom Anderson

        Dear Clay,

        Your comments make it clear that you are an intelligent and educated fellow. But your illogical statements about military disobeying the constitution shows that your close association with the military has blinded you to what is clear to everyone else.

        1) Soldiers told NOT to obey an illegal order? Give me a break! Clearest and most recent example are the THOUSANDS of US military who have participated in and executed an illegal and unconstitutional war in assisting NATO in the toppling of Ghaddafi. If you think a SINGLE one of those military law breakers is going to face a court martial then you need to be smoking some better stuff. Has even ONE of those military men disobeyed the order to execute that unconstitutional war? Please name ONE! NO! They ALL obey an illegal and unconstitutional order from the POTUS.

        2) Pat Tillman? I don’t know the full story. But two things are VERY clear. His uniform and personal effects (evidence in a potential homocide) were burned against all military regulations and protocol. The officer who burned the uniform was never even reprimanded, let alone, punished.

        3) More on Tillman – Gen. McKrystal lied in face-to-face with Pat’s mother. The General KNEW he had not died as the military was then portraying it. Did the General get punished? NO! He got promoted! Pat’s mother, to this day, says that they have gotten ONLY LIES from the military about their son/hero.

        4) A more personal example is a distant naval officer family member of mine who was shot in the back on a ship by a deranged sailor with a 12 gauge shotgun. No court martial ever was called for that murder. The military has showered the family with “gifts” to make up for the “unfortunate accident”.

        NO! The ONE thing that you can count on with the US Military is that THEY WILL FOLLOW ORDERS. They will NOT wait for some legal advice about whether a particular order is lawful or constitutional. How can YOU believe otherwise?

        Obviously, you consider yourself a much smarter military man than Ike. HE gave STERN warning about the threat from our own military but you think that we should pooh-pooh his uninformed and antiquated ideas?

        So, let me ask you – when our empire does eventually fall, WHICH group will be responsible for enforcing the “new” order. Will it be the Taliban, the Mexicans, the Commies? Ike and I know that it will be the good old US Military obeying orders from their commander.

        Posse Comitatus is dead – it certainly died at WACO and the path is fully open for a military takeover the the USA. Laugh at this?

        Both Japan and Germany were Democratic Republics just like us before the takeover by organizations of their military – THAT is exactly the same way we will fall – and the US military will be the enforcers for the New World Order – COUNT ON IT!

        Our GREATEST potential enemy is the US Military! Just a single low-level atomic bomb detonated in the USA and we will feel the full wrath and boot of the US Military – Ron Paul supporters will all be “relocated” to “secure camps” – The military will confiscate all of our fire arms.

        Are you an “Oath Keeper”? I respect and honor them, but all the rest of the military I distrust and fear.

      • http://kibitzer-truthseeker.blogspot.com Stan

        Clay on Sept 11 at 6:11 says:

        “If you can produce one logical, well reasoned theory about 9/11 that exists within the realm of possibility, I’m all ears until then don’t waste my time.”

        Wouldn’t it make more sense to look at the facts of a matter first, and then entertain theories about it?

        Some facts about 9/11:

        * Some of the firefighters are on video describing how they heard explosions coming from (at least) one of the towers like a vertical series of planted charges – “Bam bam bam bam” (gesturing downwards) – and then the tower came down. Another of them described seeing and hearing charges going off around one of the buildings like firecrackers – or like timed demolition charges.

        * Traces of thermite/thermate have been found in the debris.

        * Over 1500 architects and engineers (at AE911truth.com) have gone on record as declaring that those buildings – including WTC7 – couldn’t have come down the way the official story has them coming down. And indeed, NIST simply chose not to try to explain the ‘collapse’ of WTC7.

        I could go on, but my point is that there is a ton of evidence that 9/11 was not the event that the public has been led to believe that it was.

        I have my opinions about all this. But that is all that they are; and I won’t waste your time by stating them. In the meantime, I would encourage you to look at that whole thing – that whole thing – out of a less biased eye. And accept that maybe, just maybe, a truly independent investigation of ALL the facts about 9/11 would not be a waste of your time.

      • Clay

        Thank you Stan! In googling ae9/11, which I haven’t seen in a long time, I found ae9/11truthdebunked. Wow, what a tome of information!
        I have spent at least 100 hrs analyzing 9/11. In particular I have watched 102 minutes that Changed America about 20 times. Most of my analyses is based on watching and analyzing video footage and listening to 911 phonecall recordings etc… On previous 9/11 aniversaries I had looked at most of the conspiracy sites and videos. From a scientific standpoint, there isn’t a single one of them that I cannot readily debunk. My father is a mechanical engineer/architect. His primary field is designing and constructing power plants. My maternal Grandfather who was my real father figure, taught high school science and history. In the army among many other things, I was selected to go to the Special Forces Operations and Intelligence course in Fort Bragg. Among many other things, this course trains SF soldiers to collect and analyze intelligence, so that when we are forward deployed we have our own internal intelligence gathering capability. I am highly qualified to analyze 9/11. I think about what I say and I mean what I say. Speaking of which I must apologize for the aggressive nature of some of my previous posts. On my 9/12 post I had drunk some beer and whiskey with a fellow vet and watched 102 mins that changed America and I was emotional and pissed off. I have worked with Delta, Seals, Rangers, SAS, FSK, Royal Marine Commandos, Paratroopers from across the globe and just about everybody in between. Despite the way we are dishonestly and completely innacurately portrayed in almost all tv and hollywood nonsensical, insulting, degrading garbage fantasy BS: in reality we are highly intelligent, compassionate and principled human beings. Movies like to degrade and insult us by portraying us as unemotional machines. At times it is necessary for us to be that way, but underneath we are still the same as who we allways were. I am a quadruple volunteer. I didn’t volunteer to go thru all of that crap, just to be the minion of an egocentric psychopath [which is what anyone who could conceive of an operation like 9/11 would necessarily be,] nor did anybody else who I served with. I have quite a few friends who are fireman [I would love to be one now but my body is too beat up] they are just like us. So, when people accuse us, AND THAT IS WHAT 9/11 TRUTHERS ARE DOING!, of murdering our fellow citizens, I take that very personally.
        Best Wishes Clay

      • http://kibitzer-truthseeker.blogspot.com Stan

        Dear Clay,

        I hear, and understand, your anger, and resentment. I also get the degree of cognitive dissonance you are under even to entertain the very idea that the official conspiracy theory about 9/11 is not the correct, or at least not the total, one. But please know that I, for one, and all the people I know of interested in this matter and of a similar persuasion about it – that We the People have not been told the whole truth about it – do not blame the military for 9/11. This appalling event has all the earmarks of coming from higher up the ‘chain of command’ – in or out of the official chain – than that.

        In any event: I hope I join you in continuing to look into this extremely important matter, and subjecting the evidence to a cool, clear, rational eye.

        We may, in the end, have to agree to disagree, in interpreting all the evidence. But that possible disagreement in no way diminishes my appreciation for, and respect for, your service and sense of dedication to this country.

      • Average Joe Patriot

        Good outline, Bob, even though you can’t cover the half of it here.

        And nice diversion from the topic Gary and Clay. See if we can get everybody arguing about where Obama was born.

        But the fact is that three unexplained, first-time-ever in history collapses of steel buildings, one huge plane that supposedly disappeared into a small hole in the side of the Pentagon, and massive evidence of clumsy cover-up, all occurred in a very short span of time. All of these point to an agenda, not some accidental fluke. Sure people have survived falling from airplanes, but I fail to see what in the world that has to do with 9/11; it’s just another diversion, another way of saying go on home folks, nothing to see here.

        One of the first things the police do in a major crime investigation is ask themselves: cui bono? Who benefits? (And of course, who had means and opportunity?) Several members of our government and military agencies surely had all three in massive quantity (means, motive, and opportunity). As for the terrorists, to pull off something like this they had box cutters, a “hatred of our freedoms” (not to mention a perverse desire to get Middle Eastern countries carpet bombed and shelled with DU), and of course phenomenal luck. So much luck, in fact, they’d have been better off heading for Las Vegas; they could have BOUGHT the WTC towers with their winnings.

        What Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove, Chertoff, the Military Industrial-Chemical Complex and the rest of these criminals got out 9/11? The Patriot Act, vastly tighter control and restriction of citizens’ rights, staggering quantities of our resources diverted to senseless overseas wars, including no-bid contracts handed to the likes of Halliburton. In short, a blueprint for a “New American Century,” and vast amounts of money and power.

        How many high level insider conspirators would it take? Probably frightenly few, given power has already been centralized in so few hands, and “Need to Know” compartmentalization has been the rule in our nation since Pearl Harbor. Does anyone seriously imagine (having seen what happened to FBI whistleblowers re: “botched” surveillance on terrorist suspects) that a slew of compartmentalized order-followers are going to get together and piece all this together and take it to the Lamestream media?

        Even wilder, that one of the highest-up insiders is going to stand up before the cameras and confess to participating in the mass murder of Americans? How long do you imagine he’d survive if he or she actually went crazy enough to start naming names?

        Like many, I’ve been studying 9/11 material for a decade. (Seriously, if something has “9/11″ in the headline, I at least scan it to see if I’ve already heard it, however wacked. The wackiest so far seem to be based on the official version.) I’m also a big movie fan. I say, in response to being accused of being gulled by Hollywood into believing in some inner-circle conspiracy, that given all the indisputable facts cited by Bob Livingston in this piece (and many, many more facts some here selectively don’t address), the official story of 9/11 will never make it to the silver screen in any seriously big way. No producer would waste money, time, or his/her reputation on anything so ridiculous as 19 Muslims defeating NORAD, the CIA, the FBI, the Pentagon, the FAA, Condi Rice and Dick Cheney with box-cutters. Not unless it was a slapstick comedy on the order of “Airplane!”

        The majority of people I know and communicate with regularly with despise our current government, because it is trampling our Constitution. Most of these people are also sick of the lies they are being spoon-fed in the MSM. I’m sure this can also be said of most of the readers here.

        Why then, do so many people believe so passionately in this pack of self-contradicting 9/11 absurdities, told by our obviously broken self-serving politicians and appointees to the lapdog press for whom we lost nearly all respect back when they first sold out to control freaks like Rupert Murdoch and the other news minions of power greedy international mega-corporations?

        Why is that?

      • Sandy

        The intricacies involved in a purported plot to destroy thousands of lives would entail the involvement of hundreds of personnel and thousands of manhours. It is beyond conceivability to believe that such an extensive operation could have been planned for years without a single leak…

      • Average Joe Patriot

        Sandy: Then you know little about how things work around here.

        Did you ever work for a major corporation and even get the slightest sense that you knew how the upper echelon was thinking, what their plans were, that you were anything more than an obedient order-taking cog, that you knew anything more than you were supposed to know at your pay grade?

        Don’t kid yourself, child. You could easily have gotten up on a Monday and handled papers which would have brought down Enron, and never had a clue.

        Within recent history, a large number of major organizations have collapsed, taking all their dutiful employess down with them. These poor souls were none the wiser till their life savings were gone. And they helped the bastards do it by simply doing their jobs as taught and told to them.

        What do you imagine goes on in government and the military? Some sort of “flat organization” in which everyone’s ideas are heard?

        An extremely small number of people in a hierarchical organization such as our government and military could easily have orchestrated 9/11. A vanishingly small group needed to know. And the closer you get to the top, the more 9/11 evidence vanishes.

        (Where did the melted girders go before forensics had a chance to thoroughy examine them? They were denied access. Really? Why?)

        Sorry, they were sold to China already. WHAT?!!!

        The biggest crime, not only in the history of our nation, but of the world. Sorry evidence missing, already dispose of. WHAT?!!!!!

        If that were the only evidence which has gone missing, you might excuse it (although this would be very hard to to). Where are the audio tapes of the air traffic controllers? Oops, we destroyed them. WHAT?

        The BBC announcer standing in front of the WTC 7 tower, announcing it had collapsed (no, it hadn’t, it’s right behind her). It collapsed less than half an hour later. The BBC says those tapes are lost. WHAT????

        The Pentagon attack tapes: all confiscated from independent gas stations, and never released tapes from the Pentagon itself. Let’s see them? Sorry, national security.
        WHAT????????????

        And so on, over and over and over. Like a kid with crumbs on his face and hands jambed in his pockets, crunching away, denying any cookie theft.

        Stop it people. Denial can only go so far. We’d all like to believe that human beings cannot drown their children or serial rape and brutally slaughter innocent nurses for fun, we’d especially like to think our politically appointed representatives could not be involved in such behavior as 9/11 (with help, with outside help, and with compartmentalization, of course).

        But, do read some history. Especially of rulers and their behavior. False flag operations. That sort of thing. America is well beyond Beaver and Ozzie and Harriet, kids. Has been for a long time.

      • Gary Davis

        “Diversion”? What “Diversion”? I gave examples of unlikely events that showed that a Passport could realistically survive intact, after being thrown clear on the one hand, and how even experienced observers can misinterpret things on the other.
        BUT I MUST CONFESS!
        I now realise I was wrong, and 9/11 was a Conspiracy: but you “Truthers” are wrong, too the REAL culprits? BLAME THE AMISH!!!!!
        They fooled us all with their “unaggressive” lifestyle, but now the very fact that they are unsuspected is the very reason they were able to cause it. Look a the facts:

        1) They have no mobile telephones; the perfect cover, as they cannnot be tract by phone masts, and have MASTERED THE ART OF ILLICIT COMMUNICATIONS!

        2) They hate the lifestyle of the West, with its promiscuity, murders, drug abuse, and sexualising of children (actually I hate these things too; but I’m not the attacker: that’s THE AMISH!)

        3) They refer to those ruling the US as “The English”: AN IRRRATIONAL HATRED OF ENGLAND THAT LED TO THE ATTACKS IN LONDON ON 7/7/05!

        4) Very cleverly, THEY ARE NOT PART OF THE MASONS, LET ALONE THE iLLUMINATI! Their nefarious iniquity knows no bounds!
        I wonder how long before someone thinks I’m serious, here.

      • Average Joe Patriot

        Hey, Gary? Get your mom to put your engine back on the track for you. After that, it’s your nap time. Then maybe you can go out and play with the big kids.

      • Clay

        Tom, almost forget. I agree with your sentiments regarding the 2nd amendment. However, your comments regarding the military are misplaced. The Posse Commitatus Act [1878] specifically prohibits the use of U.S. military forces within the U.S. unless authorized by the constitution or by an act of congress. If you disarm the military, we will no longer have a country. I do however, firmly believe that the federal gov’t is out of control and that only very small, specific elements of the U.S. Marshall service, the F.B.I. and the Secret Service should be armed and only under the specific authorization of congress and that the authorization should be reviewed and voted on every single year. Finally, we need to fully restore congressional authorization for the use of military force. Many of the wars our country has fought in were unquestionably unconstitutional.

      • Tom Anderson

        Dear Clay,

        If I understood your prior email you DID say that some US Military vehicles and chopper pilots participated at WACO?

        Then, PLEASE, TELL ME WHICH MILITARY OFFICERS AND MEN WERE PUNISHED FOR THAT VIOLATION OF POSSE COMMITATUS. Are you saying that it was just a big misunderstanding? Oh, forgive me!

        You may sense that I have a bone to pick with the US Military – you are correct. And you can probably predict that it goes back to Nam. I will never forgive the US Military for leaving their S. Nam comrades to the fate of the invading commies! When the US Military pulled out they left their Nam friends to a fate worse than death (and death too). What kind of yellow cowards would leave a friend and fellow warrior to that fate? Those US military fled Nam with their tail between their legs and left their Nam friends to face torture, rape and death. Is there any honor in the US Military after such a disgraceful and shameful defeat? Don’t those US Military men ever fret about their Nam friends and Nam families and what they had to endure when the Commies were able to “have their way with them”?

        Lastly, I worked at Travis AFB as a civilian contractor for TWA during Nam. We would fly the US corpses back from Nam (in the metal containers) and the military ORDERED the planes to only be unloaded at night ( to avoid publicity for LBJ – no photos). Those dead men COOKED in those planes which sat on the extremely hot tarmac all day waiting to be unloaded after dark. All of us mechanics at TWA couldn’t believe that their so-called military “brothers” would allow such desecration to those broiled bodies. But NOT A PEEP of protest from any of those so-called surviving “warrior brothers” – I tell that history to anyone who is willing to listen. Honor in the US Military – BALONEY! They leave their buddies’ bodies to broil and their Nam friends to be massacred.

        Certainly, when the POTUS orders it, the US Military will turn their guns on us. That was Ike’s and Washington’s worry and it is mine.

      • Clay

        Tom, once again [this time i'll get it straight] your reading comprehension skills are almost as bad as your selective knowledge of history. Please don’t waste anymore of my time. There are far more important issues facing our nation,than 9/11 conspiracy crap. I have no more time to waste with people who prefer to waste their time with heresay and garbage. Go watch a few more garbage hollywood movies, they suit your fantasies far better than reality ever will. Patrick Tillman is my brother!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree. There are reason for everything. And this ID thing is pretty easy, and Im not no engineer. In the front of the plane, there are no explosives or fuel or anything, When they hit the side, almost all windows, with the weight of the plane, you can bet they were 3/4 through it when the fuel laden part of the plane hit and blew up. You can only imagine the force of the fireball blowing forward, but I am surprise that more body parts werent found blown far away. But I would fully understand ID cards, wallets, watches, and other things being blown so fast that the fire couldnt ignite them or touch them. This doesnt bother me at all. What most bothers me, is watching the muslims dancing in the streets for joy, not only in foreign countries, but those that live here also. That is the part that bothers me the most.

      • http://www.ae911truth.org/ Jacques Cuse

        So, now you’ve found an answer to the surviving passport and that’s it? Official government explanations accepted?

        Well, please also explain the surviving highjackers who’ve been found and interviewed by the BBC (at least 8 of them). And then WTC building number 7, which was not hit by airplanes, suddenly collapsing symmetrically, demolition style, in its own footprint?

        Please also explain why so many bodies were missing from the rubble but that thousands of microscopically small bone fragments have been found on the roofs of surrounding buildings. Yeah, right, that was because of intense airpressure caused by the pancacking floors…. (yawn).

        Dear Americans, please educate yourselves. If you don’t know where to begin, have a try here:

        http://www.ae911truth.org/

    • wandamurline

      I came to the realization of what Bob is talking about, about two years ago. Until that time, I had never questioned the attack, but then I got the DVD “The Power of the Purse” which is one that talks how the Federal Reserve and even before that, the BIG banks, have caused economic crises since 1807. Toward the end, it began to talk about 9/11, and they actually had a reporter reporting that the third building had just crashed to the ground….the problem was that the building was STILL standing while she was reporting this. This whole think is beginning to smell lika a skunk. I had been asking my husband….how can two buildings built to withstand high winds collaspe to the ground like that when they have been hit very high up? Being retired AF, he stated that jet fuel gets very hot in a fire, but hey, the buildings looked like they went down from a commercial collaspe you see everyday on television when they are taking a building down to clean up and rebuild. My other question is why there was no plane wreckage in Pennsylvania. When a plane goes down, there is a lot of wreckage left…ie wings, fusaloge, some cabins…there is left over wreckage. We now have, since 9/11, the Patriot Act which allows the government to circumvent your freedoms under the Constitution….this is something that we need to get rid of and all the people who were in office during 9/11…Demorats and RINOS alike. We must retake our country.

      • Lost in Paradise

        Most plane crashes happen during landing, and some after liftoff. THat is a whole lot different than an airliner headed at the earth at 500 mile an hour. In world warII many planes that were shot down, plunged into the earth at very high speed, and some are being found to this day, as the ground squeezes them upward. Most passenger jets cruise a 450-500 per hour, and if sent into a dive would easily pass that speed, and maybe start to break up on the way down.

      • ifreemantoo

        To accept you opinion requires that so much other information and questions be disregarded. The first thing you’d have to believe is our government does not commit crime.

        Let’s see. Judge Andrew Napolitano wrote in his book “Constitutional Chaos” in the introduction titled “Breaking the Law” pg. ix:
        “Because it breaks the law, the government is not your friend…after witnessing first-hand how the criminal justice system works to subvert and shred the Constitution. You think you have rights that are guaranteed? Well think again.
        Because the government breaks the law and denies it, the government is not your friend.”
        And pg. 181. “The government is simply stretching and twisting federal law and the Constitution in whatever way it sees fit for whatever contemporary need it may have.”

        Contents of Part 1: “Rights and Liberties
        1. Breaking the law to enforce it
        2. Attacking the Innocent
        3. Creating Crime
        4. Grabbing Guns, Endangering Citizens
        5. Filching Property
        6. Gagging Free Speech
        7. Bribing Witnesses, Buying Convictions
        8. Assaulting the People
        Part 3 The Hard Test: The War on Terror”
        10 The Justices Department Terror Tactics

        You really have to be somewhat of a sheeple or cheer leader that would let some of the obvious escape as it seems to escape so many people. When we can’t accept the obvious then we rely on “so-called” expert textperts to help us believe the lie. Finally we can dismiss it all as “conspiracy theory” (CT).

        Well here is another fact that can’t be dismissed as CT. Henry Kissinger was appointed the first head of the 9/11 Commission but resigned almost the next day. It seems “The Jersey Girls” (wives of husbands murdered during 9/11) asked Kissinger “if he had any clients named Bin Laden?”

        Well this information can be seen in the documentary 9/11 Press For Truth and may be obtained at http://www.911pressfortruth.com. I don’t remember anything about falling buildings or planes in this documentary. There is however a ton of news related events and documents before, during and after 9/11 that can’t be argued “conspiracy theory” expect by the most brain dead.

        BTW the 911 Commission was the inspiration of the “Jersey Girls” and took GWB about a year to finally give in. So GWG gets Kissinger appointed, but that back fired. However, GWG and the mischief makers only answered 25% of the questions put to it. So many in the commission resigned. Some upon existing called it a “cover up”. Also noting they’d been lied to as well.

        Lost in Paradise you assumed so much in your post. I’ll assume that’s what you want to believe. It’s not worth arguing. While you feel comfortable with your beliefs, how do you think the Jersey Girls and so many others that lost loves feel about a less than credible investigation? Don’t they deserve at least all their questions answered?

      • Kate8

        It’s been reported time and again that Bin Ladin was a CIA operative, going by the code-name Tim something-or-other, and had received extensive training from the CIA (As far as I know, this has never been denied.)

        It was also the CIA who paid for and set up the training camps for terrorists in various places in the middle east, because the plan has always been to incite WWIII.

        How far we’ve come from those days of rallying behind GWB in righteous indignation against those who supposedly attacked us. Ah…the togetherness, the heightened sense of impending threat and the drumbeat to avenge our nation, and them came “shock and awe” (this was actually as spin on the word symbol “shekinah”).

        How many of us were glued in front of our TVs, witnessing the daily spectacle of the mighty Giant incensed.

        Thank God we’re coming to our senses. We must resolve never to fall for another false flag, nor to look to our “leaders” for guidance and protection. Because you can be sure they are going to try it again.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, it was Osama bin Laden, A.K.A. CIA Asset “Tim Osman”
        http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/binladen_cia.html

      • JimRed

        Kate 8 said “It’s been reported time and again that Bin Ladin was a CIA operative, going by the code-name Tim something-or-other, and had received extensive training from the CIA (As far as I know, this has never been denied.)

        It was also the CIA who paid for and set up the training camps for terrorists in various places in the middle east, because the plan has always been to incite WWIII.”

        It’s been reported…yeah, right; by whack jobs with one agenda or another. Who would bother to deny something so ridiculous? And to incite WWIII? Kill hundreds of millions people, possibly including your own family and friends, to what end? Siezing power is much more fun when there’s someone left to hold the power over!

      • Old Henry

        JimRed:

        Do you work for one of the alphabet agencies?

        WWIII would greatly enrich the miltary – industrial complex. More cronie capitalism. And the principles and their families would be safely tucked away somewhere.

      • James A

        Maybe start to break up? It is almost a certainty once “red line speed” has been exceeded. Engine pods would likely be the first things to go. As you point out, that plane was likely close to red line in level flight. Pointed downward, it would take no time at all to exceed that critical speed where things start coming off the airframe.

      • Average Joe Patriot

        Thanks, Lost. I guess that explains everything else you haven’t addressed. Like everything else Bob mentioned, and a hundred other unanswered anomalies, like the stock shorts on the airline companies involved shooting to insane levels days before it happened, and no further investigation reports from the FTC. They backed off.

        Why, pray tell?

        Everything I hear from the anti-conspiracy naysayers seems to attack one tentacle: pancake theory, how the passport could have been the only one to land two blocks away, how airport screening couldn’t have dealt with everyone, NORAD Airforce training routine on that particular day, Bush was confused at the school about the TV, Rumsfeld didn’t really mean “shot down,” Condi wasn’t informed about commandeered commercial airplane attacks, Cheney wasn’t in a bunker, etc. It’s all crap and you, secretly, know it.

        Fundamentally, people don’t want to believe it because they are too frightened to believe it. That something of this overt magnitude could happen at the hands of our own. It did. Get used to it. They had a lot of help. But it obviously did. Our government was complicit.

        Adjust yourself to the obvious reality. There’s undoubtedly more to come.

        The counter-believers have slowed them down, not stopped them.

      • Betty Sexton

        YOU ARE SO RIGHT ABOUT THE 9-11 ATTACKS AND SLAVERY. WE HAVE BEEN HOODWINKED BY OUR OWN GOVERNMENT. THEY HAVE US SO BUSY TRYING TO BE GOOD PARENTS SO OUR CHILDREN ARE NOT TAKEN AWAY, BOTH PARENTS WORKING SO WE CAN PAY ALL THESE TAXES, ETC., WE HAVE ALLOWED OUR REPRESENTATIVES TO TAKE OVER OUR LIVES. NOW THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT DIGITAL ANGEL AGAIN SO WE CAN BE MARKED. WE ARE NOTHING MORE THAN SALVES WITHOUT CHAINS. WE PAY FOR THEIR WAGES, INSURANCES, RETIREMENT, EXPENSES AND THEY PAY US BACK BY ALLOWING US TO EXIST. OBAMA, OUR MUSLIM PRESIDENT, ILLEGAL, HAD MORE THAN 1 SOCIAL SECURITY CARD, WANTS TO BE A DICTATOR. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PEOPLE WHO VERIFIED THAT HE WAS LEGAL TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT, BE STRIPPED OF ALL THEIR POSSESSIONS AND PUT IN PRISON. THANK YOU BOB LIVINGSTON FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE LIMELIGHT. WE ARE NOT KOOKS.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Kate8,

        And at the same time, without even blinking — “Let us not forget, he was created by the USA,” or “It’s well known that Bin Laden was an Israeli Mossad agent.”

        http://www.jewishpost.com/news/Osama-Bin-Laden-is-Dead-and-Alive.html

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Kate8
        I may had too many links on the previous post,so I erase them and reposted the same material without the links.

        You are right,he was the creation of the Reagan and Bush administration.He was known as the Reagan’s Frankenstein monster.
        Was Osama Bin Laden a CIA operative code named, “Tim Osman”?
        Osama Bin Laden was a contract operative of the CIA and was recruited long before 9/11.

        Osama Bin Laden traveled to the United States and toured military bases and the White House. He used a CIA code-name, “Tim Osman”, and was looking for help against the Soviets.

        Osama Bin Laden was officially recruited into the CIA in 1979. His activities were backed by the CIA, which, like him, had an account at BCCI Bank.

        Bin Laden’s group of Afghans received backing from the CIA.

        Bin Laden’s CIA ties became well-known in April 1998, when MSNBC exposed his connections to the Agency.

        The Papist-controlled US Government has claimed that it broke it’s ties with Bin Laden long before 9/11. However, an FBI insider said that Bin Laden was employed by the CIA until the very day of 9/11.

        There is some evidence to support her story. In July 2001 (Two months before 9/11), French media reported that a local CIA chief met with Osama Bin Laden at an American hospital in Dubai.

        There is absolutely no doubt that Osama Bin Laden and his associates are CIA. Thus, they are subservient to the Papist Crime Network. The CIA is a front operation for the Jesuits/Vatican. Kate,very good post.

      • mark

        The Papist Crime Network?! The Papist-controlled U.S. government?!! So its all the Pope and those dirty Jesuits’ fault! This is rich when Reagan and Bush were themselves evangelical Chrisians who gave increasing power and influence to the Protestant Christian Right during their terms. The U.S. has only had one, count’em, one Catholic as president, JFK, in its entire 235 year history. Wow, the return of anti-Catholic bigotry! I thought that died out after the Second World War. Well, everything old is new again on this site. What next – the Freemason conspiracy, the Templars, the Rothchilds, the Illuminati?! Or as I like to call the people who fall for all this crap, the Illuminuti!

      • Jay

        Communism and the Catholic Church

        Much has been written regarding Communist methods of infiltration. The standard method was to “bore from within” which involved Communists disguising themselves as loyalists to an organization they sought to undermine. Once gaining entry, they would gradually and subtly change the values and principles of the targeted organization. The process of “change” can take a generation. Communists have exhibited unlimited patience and supreme confidence in the ultimate attainment of their goals. Examples in America include substantial inroads by Communists into organized labor, academia, the legal profession, race relations, cultural institutions, and the government itself.

        When planning to infiltrate, the Communists probe for an institutional weakness to exploit and, in the case of the Catholic Church, perhaps they perceived the weakness to reside in the all-male celibate priesthood.

        Did Communists send their followers, particularly homosexuals, sexual deviants, and enablers, into seminaries to become priests in order to foster a homosexual culture within the church? Homosexuals, practicing their predilections in an overwhelmingly conservative Catholic community, while given protection by well placed minded superiors, could certainly contribute to the undermining of faith in Catholicism and could unquestionably shake the credibility and moral standing of the church itself down to its very foundations. Undermining Catholic authority has been a clear and often stated goal of the Communist left. Speculation regarding how the Communists attempted to implement their program is reasonable and necessary in order to better understand the present situation.

        Two former Communists, Bella Dodd and Manning Johnson, spoke on Communist infiltration of the Catholic Church. Dodd, an important Communist party lawyer, teacher and activist, converted to Catholicism in April 1952 under the tutelage of Bishop Fulton J. Sheen. Stating that the Communist infiltration was so extensive that in the future “you will not recognize the Catholic Church,” Dodd also asserted that:

        “In the 1930′s, we put eleven hundred men into the priesthood in order to destroy the Church from within.”

        “Right now they are in the highest places, and they are working to bring about change in order that the Catholic Church will no longer be effective against Communism.”

        Manning Johnson, a former Communist Party official and author of “Color, Communism and Common Sense” testified in 1953 to the House un-American Activities Committee regarding the infiltration of the Catholic Church:

        “Once the tactic of infiltration of religious organizations was set by the Kremlin … the Communists discovered that the destruction of religion could proceed much faster through infiltration of the (Catholic) Church by Communists operating within the Church itself.

        The Communist leadership in the United States realized that the infiltration tactic in this country would have to adapt itself to American conditions (Europe also had its cells) and the religious make-up peculiar to this country. In the earliest stages it was determined that with only small forces available to them, it would be necessary to concentrate Communist agents in the seminaries.

        The practical conclusion drawn by the Red leaders was that these institutions would make it possible for a small Communist minority to influence the ideology of future clergymen in the paths conducive to Communist purposes This policy of infiltrating seminaries was successful beyond even our communist expectations.”

      • mark

        This is all just a bunch of twisted lies and distortions lifted word- for-word from a thoroughly discredited, anti-Catholic website that never provides any citations because it makes up its hateful material as it goes along. All it proves it that bigots thrive in a free society. But they are also, a distinct minority, thank goodness. And all that Illuminuti, Freemason, Templar nonsense is just such old, recycled nonsense peddled every few years to a new generations of small-minded dupes. Next you’ll be quoting from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Good grief!

      • bob wire

        it’s part of the human makeup, ~ anger ! anger presents us many manifestations, hate is but one. This is an angry site is true. But they will not enjoy hearing such “news”. For that too, will make them angry.

        There is only 5 things that makes people angry or was it just 4? ~ My memory fades. ~ I suppose I could get mad about that but I “choose” not to.

      • Jay

        Protocol No. 2 of the Elders of Zion

        1. It is indispensable for our purpose that wars, so far as possible, should not result in territorial gains: war will thus be brought on to the economic ground, where the nations will not fail to perceive in the assistance we give the strength of our predominance, and this state of things will put both sides at the mercy of our international AGENTUR; which possesses millions of eyes ever on the watch and unhampered by any limitations whatsoever. Our international rights will then wipe out national rights, in the proper sense of right, and will rule the nations precisely as the civil law of States rules the relations of their subjects among themselves.

        2. The administrators, whom we shall choose from among the public, with strict regard to their capacities for servile obedience, will not be persons trained in the arts of government, and will therefore easily become pawns in our game in the hands of men of learning and genius who will be their advisers, specialists bred and reared from early childhood to rule the affairs of the whole world. As is well known to you, these specialists of ours have been drawing to fit them for rule the information they need from our political plans from the lessons of history, from observations made of the events of every moment as it passes. The GOYIM are not guided by practical use of unprejudiced historical observation, but by theoretical routine without any critical regard for consequent results. We need not, therefore, take any account of them – let them amuse themselves until the hour strikes, or live on hopes of new forms of enterprising pastime, or on the memories of all they have enjoyed. For them let that play the principal part which we have persuaded them to accept as the dictates of science (theory). It is with this object in view that we are constantly, by means of our press, arousing a blind confidence in these theories. The intellectuals of the GOYIM will puff themselves up with their knowledge and without any logical verification of them will put into effect all the information available from science, which our AGENTUR specialists have cunningly pieced together for the purpose of educating their minds in the direction we want.

        DESTRUCTIVE EDUCATION

        3. Do not suppose for a moment that these statements are empty words: think carefully of the successes we arranged for Darwinism, Marxism, Nietzsche-ism. To us Jews, at any rate, it should be plain to see what a disintegrating importance these directives have had upon the minds of the GOYIM.

        4. It is indispensable for us to take account of the thoughts, characters, tendencies of the nations in order to avoid making slips in the political and in the direction of administrative affairs. The triumph of our system of which the component parts of the machinery may be variously disposed according to the temperament of the peoples met on our way, will fail of success if the practical application of it be not based upon a summing up of the lessons of the past in the light of the present.

        5. In the hands of the States of to-day there is a great force that creates the movement of thought in the people, and that is the Press. The part played by the Press is to keep pointing our requirements supposed to be indispensable, to give voice to the complaints of the people, to express and to create discontent. It is in the Press that the triumph of freedom of speech finds its incarnation. But the GOYIM States have not known how to make use of this force; and it has fallen into our hands. Through the Press we have gained the power to influence while remaining ourselves in the shade; thanks to the Press we have got the GOLD in our hands, notwithstanding that we have had to gather it out of the oceans of blood and tears. But it has paid us, though we have sacrificed many of our people. Each victim on our side is worth in the sight of God a thousand GOYIM.

        http://www.aztlan.net/protocols.htm#protocol1

      • mark

        This was a Czarist forgery. The Czarist secret police created this nonsense out of whole cloth in the late 19th century to appeal to anti-Semites and demonize the Jewish population of Russia that they viewed as heretical and a threat to the regime. This was especially cogent since Jews did not subscribe to Orthodox Christianity, the official state religion. It has been resurrected and regurgitated by numerous anti-semitic hate groups from the Nazis to the Klan, to the Aryan Nation, Volksfront, the Skinheads, and now by you. You are in very appropriate company.

      • Jay

        Wow, a Czarist forgery, secret police, a secret anti-semite group demonizing the jewish population. mark, you sound like a conspiracy kook!

      • Antonio

        Hey Jay how are you my friend? Well i sent you an e-mail and i haven’t heard from you??? I just sent another one a few minutes ago to inform you of something please check mail and reply me later

      • mark

        Jay’s busy working with the Czarist police. But he will get back to you.

      • mark

        Don’t worry: he’s got your crayons.

      • hicusdicus

        I am sure they both share each others dingle berry pie.

      • Scared To Death

        You were told to go sleep it off, Mark.

      • Jay

        Hey Antonio, i’ve responded to your e:mail. Look forward to chatting with you. Presently, as you can see, i’m enjoying myself leading a fool around by the nose. Hope you’re enjoying the show!

      • Antonio

        jaja yes i have seen that. that dumb kid mark is like a dog with a funnel around its neck just following you around jaja good job :)

      • Antonio

        for anybody who is interested just spell illuminati backwards and put .com after it and see what page you get :)
        esta buenisimo!!

      • JeffH

        Antonio, very surprising what website comes up…NSA/CSS
        http://www.nsa.gov/

      • Antonio

        Yes sir, JeffH. It is really a strange one. I not really sure what made me type in itanimulli.com jeje guess i was bored… but when that page came up i was like :O

      • Antonio

        wow kido you have a lot to learn and i don’t even know where to start at in fact i don’t think you even have the ability to even learn and thats is sad :( Well anyways i just wanted to tell you one thing. The klan, Aryan, Skinhead, WhiteSupreme stuff your spouting off about were created and started and run and financed and supported and guarded and protected BY – the democratic party- and since thats who you support i assume you are now feeling like an idiot :) keep smiling and researching you may find the truth one day kido good luck

      • hicusdicus

        Mark,Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Jay will believe any thing if it fits his bias. What is really sad is that he has a lot of people following close up his behind.

      • hicusdicus

        Jay you should get a Pulitzer prize For the largest amount of BS packed into one comment.

      • Jay

        Wow hicusdicus, you actually read it? HA HA HA!!!

      • hicusdicus

        I am confused enough with out read reading other peoples confusing fantasies.

      • Jay

        Doesn’t take much to confuse you, does it hic? If you weren’t so cute, you’d be irritating! LOL…

      • bob wire

        yep! the I-lum nutti. ` Look out! there’s hidden nine. Hidden in plain sight!

        oh there is something to it alright ~ but so is there to the stone figures on Canary island. ~ It’s class structured, the workers bees ate all the supporting help and became disillusioned with the boss so the ate him too! or so some say. ~ I don’t know I wasn’t there.

        There is only so many people and so many trees that you can kill without it affecting you is a detrimental way regardless of your position in the food chain.

        Like an very old Japanese gentleman said to me one time, “without a bottom there can be no top”

        Before man ever reaches the stars and takes his place among brothers, much will be lost and much will be gained.

        Nice read Mr. Livingston, I have no answers but I agree that we need more smart question to ever locate them.

      • Jay

        That is correct coal, unfortunately!

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Betty Sexton,

        When are you people going to give it a rest?He was legally elected president.He was born in Hawaii.

      • armyvet

        Coal miner, if so why doesn’t he prove it with a bona-fide long form birth certificate, not a fraudulent computer manufactured one using Adobe, which of neither existed at the time of his supposed birth? Why is he so secretive (transparencey?)about his college records, his ellegal trips to Pakistan, in which time Americans were denied Passports? Why does he have a fraudulent SS# issued to a dead man from Connecticut? He will not answer any of these. It would be so easy to put everything to rest!!!!

      • chuck

        Legally elected or not, Obama is a TRAITOR! and should be in prison.

      • Kate8

        coal – You libs have the most amazing ability to close your eyes and ears to anything you don’t want to know, regardless of how much proof is available.

        Here you go to so much effort to discover the “truth” behind religion via the study of creation myths (albeit drawing very one-sided conclusions based on the rantings of a single author), yet you clutch on to the biggest myth of all (and the most provable. At least, for what he is not): the load of bull that is Barry Hussein’s origins and history.

        Your mind is geared to accept the input from the Masters of the Matrix, and reject all else, no matter what your senses might perceive. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain…

      • Old Henry

        Coal Miner:

        It does not matter where he was born. He is not a Natural Born Citizen due to the fact that his daddy was NOT an American citizen, he was a Kenyan / Indonesian. It is also questionable whether his mommy was a U.S. citizen due to her not living in the country, but the main fly in the ointment is his father.

      • http://patriotupdate Joy

        doesn’t matter where he was hatched…his father was a british citizen, not a US citizen. his white mother was “married” to him, when in fact he had a real wife & kids in Kenya, so they were never legally married. both parents have to be citizens of this country before a person is eligible to be a president. since his sperm-donor father wasn’t, he’s not eligible. makes a nice smokescreen, doesn’t it…keep the birth certificate in one hand, as a tease, & then distract us from what the other hand is doing…….working real well !!!!! and we the sheeple (some of us, not me) buy it all.

      • JC

        Right Coal Miner…he was born in Hawaii. And his official birth cerificate says his “father” was born in Kenya. Thing is, when the imposters father was born, Kenya didn’t exist as a nation at all.
        It was British East Africa at the time.
        Too bad Obama’s yuppie forgers are products of the American education system and they missed that little tid bit.
        It’s all Bull S**t

      • JC

        And Joy, let’s not forget that the imposter’s mother was too young under American law to confer citizenship on her sprogue at any rate.

      • margey

        jc, if i were you, i wouldn’t make too many nasty remarks about people being too stupid to know kenya wasn’t a country when obama was born, making the birthplace of his father ostensibly false. the birth certificate says kenya, east africa. kenya was a territory in east africa, and referred to as kenya, east africa much as any of our states is referred to as, i.e., florida, usa. don’t any of you people use your effing brains to track this crap down?? you’d rather just believe hate filled garbage you’re fed, because YOU are hate filled ignoramuses. there’s this site called “google” that has all kind of info on it, in case you didn’t know. use it.

      • margey

        there is no age requirement for a mother to confer us citizenship on her child. obama’s mother was 18 in any case. you people are unbelievable.

      • JC

        What was the country called at the time of the imposter’s birth margey? not “known as” what was it actually called?
        And I don’t hate the white Liberal in the White house…I despise him.

      • JC

        Should read “fathers birth”.

      • ALL AMERICAN

        What person legally born in the UNITED STATES of AMERICA would purposely subvert the CONSTITUTION?
        WHO COULD DO SUCH A THING TO SOMETHING GOOD AND HONEST, other than a Usurper?

      • margey

        jc, it was called east africa, like it says on the birth certificate.
        GOOGLE IT. the territory of kenya was also specified. is this clear enough for you now? i doubt it.

      • http://www.reasonandjest.com/blog Scott Lazarowitz

        The Patriot Act and all the other post-9/11 due process-destroying intrusions and the wars, including Libya, were all planned well before 9/11:

        http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/06/911-didnt-change-anything.html

        http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/08/libyan-war-gaddafi-falls-but-why-did-we.html

      • Ralph

        The US news people are fond of repeating how 9/11 has changed America forever … but what they fail to explain is that the destruction of the Bill of Rights by passage of the US Patriot Act has changed America, not 9/11.

      • http://yahoo skyraider 6

        the change was started in 1992 ralph

      • Greg T

        H W Bush was a globalist, reference his “thousand points of light” speech.

        Reagan did not like H W Bush. H W Bush removed almost all Reagan officials as if he were taking over from a Democrat. Dick Chaney replaced Frank Carlucci as Secretary of Defense after not getting Tower confirmed by the Senate.

      • Carlucci

        I started asking many of these same questions the day 9-11 happened, because the whole thing looked totally orchestrated. I had read about Northwoods, the burning of the Reichstag, and other orchestrated events like that. I had also seen two movies a few years before that made me disbelieve everything that comes out of the district of corruption. The two movies are “Cover Up in Oklahoma” and “Waco: The Rules of Engagement”.

        After Bob Livingston posted his newsletter from last week about “Prima Facia” (which literally means “on its face”), a dear friend coincidentally sent me this from the Idaho Observer. I’m posting the link again just in case anyone might have missed it. I’m in the 6th veil – which one are you?

        http://atrueott.wordpress.com/2010/12/28/understanding-the-nine-veils/

        Happy Labor Day, everyone. I’ve gone back to work full time and really miss this blog and everyone on it -!

      • JeffH

        Carlucci, congratulations on the full time status and always good to hear from you…Happy Vetrans Day to you!

      • Jay

        What’s interesting Jeff, is that the same nay-sayers on this issue today, have in the past demonized and accused bush and his administration, of orchestrating the means by which to invade Iraq, and that through 9/11. Yet at present, claim the opposite! Seems they are quick to forget their past statements! What is one to make of this?

      • JeffH

        Jay, isn’t that what hypocrites do? Go figure! As we continue to share info and educate ourselves and sometimes re-adjust some of our thinking…the Marxist/communist/socialist/progressive refuse to budge, singing the same old tunes, ridicule and social engineering.
        Somethingdefinitelyy stinks in Denmark!

        Keep up the good fight fellow patriot…FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Old Henry

        Bravo Carlucci! Are the one job that was created last month?

        Which veil am I? Hell, i’m still tryin ta get my head outta my….

      • Carlucci

        Old Henry – :)

      • Kate8

        Carlucci – I’m not sure that the veils are successive. More than likely they overlap.

        I have long had a passion for understanding numbers, fractals, and the mathematical workings of the universe, although I’m far from really understanding them. Meanwhile, I’ve simulaneously lingered through some of the others.

        I loved this article. It really helps to give perspective.

        Congrats on your job, but I will miss your insightful postings every day.

      • Al Sieber

        I’m there too, #6.

      • http://balbayexp.us Peter Carminati

        Some Arabs were used for the cover story

        The demolition that sophisticated destruction plans were made by secretly assigned Navy Seals who planted the explosives to cause the towers to collapse

        The Pentagon scene was a cruise missile, not an airplane, backed by a large fuel tank inside the thick walls of the Pentagon

        The Pennsylvania site was the result of a bomb dropped by a USAF fighter bomber. The so-called aircraft was later found at O’Hare IAP by a mechanic on his regular rounds. That aircraft required some minimal maintenance.

        President Bush was in the mid-West somewhere entertaining some grade-school kids, all the while pretending that nothing unusual was happening anywhere.

        The American Architects Assoc. has all the engineering facts on record so that the actual blame can be laid on those responsible for this faked terrorist act brought on by those who Have to Have War somewhere to make drug-maker profits. All wars are a profit-driven racket.

      • JimRed

        US Navy SEALs, complicit in the murder of thousands of their countrymen? Following illegal orders? Some Clinton lovers will go to any extent to absolve him from the blame he so richly deserves. Clinton is the one who gutted the military and allowed a “wall” to be built between CIA, FBI and military intelligence.

        To tell that kind of lie about our elite troops says a lot about the source, none of it good.

      • Old Henry

        Ah Peter, would you care to let Todd Beemers widow know where he, and the rest of the passengers, are right now? Did they beam them up?

        Where are the passengers of the Pentagon flight?

        I am not saying 9/11 was not an “inside job”, but you have created more questions than answers.

      • BrotherPatriot

        Peter…Ummm…No to the Navy SEAL’s being the bomb planters in the two towers.

        As a former member I can tell you this lies outside our specialty. It takes at least weeks if not a month or two to set the explosives necessary to do what we saw done to the 2 towers.

        I honestly do believe it was explosives that brought them down…as the 9/11 A&E commission believes also…but it took the knowledge & expertise of a professional demolotion team who has years of actual practice bringing down buildings (or at least their input) to pull off the actual job.

        God Bless.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        BrotherPatriot,
        not one to stick up for the Government, but consider this. Steel melts at 1517 degrees and the people that say that JP4 jet fuel doesn’t burn at that high a temp are right. 747 type aircraft are constructed from a magalum alloy which burns at 2500 to 4000 degrees, well high enough to melt steel. The wheels are pure magnesium, 4000 degrees and there are other magnesium parts on said aircraft. so it is quite possible for a 747 type aircraft to take the towers down.

      • BrotherPatriot

        Joe H…the buildings were designed to take several hits from airliners when they built them. They took this information in and made it part of their calculations when they designed them.

        The support beams were ENORMOUS. It takes a cutting torch awhile under concentrated use to cut through them.

        I’m sorry but your explaination plus the others posting on this site does not stand up to what the 9/11 A&E commission has been revealing.

        God Bless and please keep researching.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        BroterPatriot,
        not from research but a year of college metalurgy and seven years of mechanics and A&P repairs on aircraft! I don’t care how thick those beams were, heat them to 3500 degrees, they will melt! Carbon will migrate in the steel and make it very weak and then when it gets to temp, it will MELT!!

      • ALL AMERICAN

        Peter, hou are a bad man for even saying something like that about a SEAL Team.

      • Carl J.

        I just knew someone was going to blame 100 percent of the 9/11 attacks on liberal Democrats and Rhinos. Of course, we all know that Republicans sit on the right hand of God and are totally incapable of making any mistakes or commiting the least bit wrong doing. See….. I drink the same Kool-Aid that Glenn Beck drinks too!

      • Old Henry

        Wanda:

        Michelle Bachmann voted to RENEW the un-Partiot Act a few months ago. And she is SUPPOSEDLY a TEA Party supporter / candidate.

      • http://hammerhead.myefoods.com The Other White Meat

        Here’s my OWN question, mayhaps as an AF vet you can help me. A piece of an antiquated A3 Skywarrior was found. Now, how is it that someone perspicuous enough to identify THAT was allowed in an investigative realm? Would this not have fueled the conspiracy fire, or was this an oversight of the planners?

      • Vicki

        wandamurline writes:
        “…the buildings looked like they went down from a commercial collaspe you see everyday on television when they are taking a building down to clean up and rebuild.”

        They do NOt look like a commercial controlled demolition collapse. Commercial demolition cuts thru key supports at EVERY FLOOR causing the entire building to collapse at the same time.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U4erFzhC-U

      • Vicki

        Here are some more examples. Note where the demolition charges are set.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEuc3NYHX9M&feature=related

        Note the failures too.

      • BigBadJohn

        Agree it does not look like a commercial implosion, they would have had to wire every single floor.

        However, even Al Quada knew in 1993 that all they had to do was to take out one of the central support columns and the building would collapse. The truck bomb they used was parked in the basement next to one of those columns.

        IF all four of those columns were blown at the same time the whole building would come straight down and drag the outside metal frame work with it. Look closely at the fall and this becomes a real possibility. A number of witnesses reported hearing explosions in the basement.

    • http://www.mallpros.com/store/GrandpaHarold Grandpa Harold Mawyer

      The American public has always been duped by its governmental officials, for selfish reasons, mostly greed. Did not a chap named P.T. Barnum( of circus, carnival fame) declare ” in America, there is a sucker born every minute! One can sell the American people anything!’ Me Pa said that you should trust an Arab, while Me Ma always said that we should NEVER believe anything we hear, and very little that we SEE!! Course they were just poor country folks, with limited educations, but had a heap of “horse sense” which is much lacking among our “fearless leaders”, who would, and are rapidly doing so, curtail our God given freedoms, to cause us to be more subservient to Big Government. While you can still enjoy your freedoms, America, WAKE UP from your doldrums!!

      • http://www.mallpros.com/store/GrandpaHarold Grandpa Harold Mawyer

        OOPS!! That last should read, NEVER TRUST an ARAB!!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        I was gonna say!

      • BigBadJohn

        “Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
        Hermann Goering

        “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

        Joseph Goebbels quot

    • Old Henry

      Since my post is down past 400 I will put this near the top.

      I bought a DVD on eBay that has a presentation by a structural engineer who states that the only way the towers could have fallen / pancaked into their own footprint was pre-planted explosives. It is very well presented and still available. Item number 250561142084 title: 911 BLUEPRINT FOR TRUTH Dvd Loose Change Nwo 9/11 Truth. $1.95 plust $2.95 shipping. I recommend it for truth seekers.

      • hicusdicus

        Modern day snake oil salesmen and you bought right into it. Did you get a DVD proving we never landed on the moon? I think there is a DVD out there that proves the earth is flat.

    • chuck nichols

      NOT A REPLY! Answers for the author. Until this article I was rather happy with these newsletters. Now not so much. It is OK to ask all the questions you want so long as you do not imply. First it would have been easier to address your questions if they were numbered and did not rely on REPORTEDLY unverified issues. It can not be know how many if any folks were warned due to the fact our agiencies did not work well together. How are they working now? As for the rag tag band that pulled this off. Have there ever been any other gag tag bands in history that were successfull? Pappy Boyington? They say they fear the lone wolf. We know why. If you sail across the ocean or fly a bomber you might be seen.Couldnt help but notice you did not include the names of the engineers that claim the buildings could not have fell the way it was stated. Then the hole in the pentagon. The size of the hole? Really? Then how those terrorists escaped a worldwide manhunt for them. UH. They walked across the southern border! You did hear about the koran found on our side did you not? As an author you write very well. Before venturing into critical thinking. Please consult some real experts.Our country is in enough trouble without unplausible ideas.

      • hicusdicus

        Chuck Nichlos, What are you doing on this forum? You are not a nut case.

    • Paul Gardner

      Wow!

      As a leftie I’m used to having this discussion/debate. It’s framed as “was 9/11 an inside job?”

      I didn’t know righties questioned the official story!

      • Greg T

        Haven’t you heard of the John Birch Society JBS??

      • Paul Gardner

        Of course, but I have not heard their take on 9/11.

        Do you know what it is?

      • Charla

        JBS sells the movie “9/11 Press for Truth.”

        Info from the movie website: http://www.911pressfortruth.com/#
        “The movie was hailed by critics and enthusiastically embraced by a groundswell of concerned people worldwide who felt that the 9/11 Commission and the western news media had failed to account for many important issues. For these thousands, Press For Truth was the rational, skeptical, mainstream motion picture examination of the events of September 11th they had been eagerly awaiting.”

        If JBS does not support a position, they don’t sell products about it.

    • Baf

      Bob, Here’s some facts that you may not be aware of. #1, There is no such thing as a WHITE attack plane or white fighter jet. #2, Satellite phones work at any elevation and back in 2001, a lot of business people had these type of phones. It was an expensive system, but you could climb to the top of Everest and make a call. #3, Norad does NOT have ANY planes…. none, zippo, zilch! They are a military installation in Colorado Springs which is built into Cheyenne Mountain. They track everything in the atmosphere or sky. They know where every aircraft is at all times. They notify the other military installations if there is a problem. #4, Norad does not have any representatives. They have Generals who report to the proper channels and they DO NOT testify to any hearing. I know of what I speak. I like your articles, but this one is a bit exaggerated.

      • hicusdicus

        This article is total fabricated BS.

      • Old Henry

        hicusdicus:

        What part of the guvernment do you work for? One of the alphabet agencies?

      • hicusdicus

        Henry you sound just like the kind of person I could sell a bridge to. How many bridges have bought? Can you afford one more? Send for your DVD it comes with a sample pact of Viagra and a video of what to do with the results.

    • Charla

      Are we slaves?
      “Gold is the money of kings;
      silver is the money of gentlemen;
      barter is the money of peasants;
      but debt is the money of slaves.”
      …….Norm Franz, in Money and Wealth in the New Millennium, 2001

      “None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”
      …….Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

    • Jane

      Here’s my comment,,,,, An organization that pretends to be “American, Patriotic, and non partisan, ask me if I belong to the Republican or “Democrat” Party. Hey, Picninc Crashers thata never got over Easter Morning 1939 and has wanted their Lincoln Memorial Steps back,,,, your ignorance is showing. Read your history,,,, It’s the DEMOCRATIC PARTY,,,,,then look in the mirror and you will understand why granpop still calls it the Democrat Party. Go away,,, and let me know a single poster that ever served their country when asked.

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