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White House Maintains (Falsely) That Unemployment Benefits Create Jobs

August 15, 2011 by  

White House Maintains (Falsely) That Unemployment Benefits Create Jobs

At a press briefing on Wednesday, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said that extending unemployment insurance would create jobs, by directly infusing money into the economy. He made this statement in response to a question from The Wall Street Journal’s Laura Meckler, who asked: “I understand why extending unemployment insurance provides relief to people who need it, but how does it create jobs?”

“I would expect a reporter from The Wall Street Journal would know this as part of the entrance exam just to get on the paper,” Carney responded. “It is one of the most direct ways to infuse money into the economy because people who are unemployed and obviously aren’t earning a paycheck are going to spend the money that they get. They’re not going to save it; they’re going to spend it… everyplace that that money is spent has added business. And that creates growth and income for businesses that then lead them to making decisions about job — more hiring.”

This is not the first time that the White House has argued that extending unemployment benefits will create jobs. In a speech on Aug. 5, President Barack Obama said: “When Congress gets back in September, I want to move quickly on things that will help the economy create jobs right now — extending the payroll tax credit to put $1,000 in the pocket of the average worker, extending unemployment insurance to help people get back on their feet, putting construction workers back to work rebuilding America.”

However, the CATO Institute, conservative think tank, tackled this issue in an essay posted online on Jan. 29, 2010, after several economic scholars had begun making new arguments for why extended unemployment benefits could create jobs.

The essay cites an Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) Employment Outlook report from 2007, which states: “It is well established that generous unemployment benefits can increase the duration of unemployment spells and the overall level of unemployment… This could have a negative impact on productivity through inefficient use of resources and depreciation of human capital during long spells of unemployment. In addition, by reducing the opportunity cost of unemployment, generous unemployment benefits may lead existing employees to reduce their work effort, thereby lowering productivity.”

The essay goes on to explain that “bribing people to stay on the dole for an extra 53-73 weeks leaves them with less money to spend, not more. It also looks bad on resumes, and may cause lasting damage to future job prospects.”

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  • john

    Is everyone in the White House smoking crack with Marion Barry? Their posistions and statements only make sense when viewed through the hockey stick curve of Marion’s glass pipe.

  • Raggs

    The “un-employed” sure have enough time on their hands to make millions of fatherless babies…. Just say’in…..

  • 45caliber

    The government insists that the payments encourage the people to spend and therefore put others to work.

    However, the payment they get is generally less than they made working. Therefore the people getting the money seldom can pay all their bills and still buy food and other necessities. (As someone out of work several times, I can attest to this.)

    So they do NOT have extra money that can be used to buy extra items to encourage hiring. At most they can barely pay enough to keep the present workers still working.

    So the argument is totally false.

    • bob wire

      the unemployed does not require encouragement to spend 45.

      It’s placed in their hand so that they can. Can feed themselves, can look for work. Can support the local grocery, Can pay local taxes.

      The “employed” are the ones that needs encouragement to spend today and many efforts have been underway and then undermined by the Grand Old Party at every turn in the road.

      We’re gonna die! ~ When Beck started selling his apocalyptic forecast and his investment companies, insurance companies, and expendable goods sponsors started dropping him like spent condom, you wonder why? Surly not, you are brighter then that.

      If anyone “did buy” Becks package, what’s the need of investing or simple spending more then what’s seen as necessary? If Glenn is only half correct, who want to be in a money crunch?

      As grim as it maybe, the world runs on “hope” of a future. Anything that debases this “hope” is self defeating and that explains the absence of hope and joy today that many feel.

      That the majority of our misery today has been self inflicted, hardly worth the mention.

      • 45caliber

        I’ve not spent any less than I did before – but I’ve not spent any more either. And no one else I work with has either. Spend more just to encourage the economy? Why? The government has spent more and it didn’t do any good, did it?

      • bob wire

        Then who is left to spend 45?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        bob wire,
        As far as Becks hawking gold, do you realize what a man who listened to him and invested 100,000 dollars in gold at the start would have NOW??? Let’s see, when Beck started to hawk gold it was worth about 500 an ounce and now it’s worth over 1700 an ounce!?!?!? Pretty sound advice, I’d say!! Over 300% profit? I’ll take that over GM any day!!!

      • bob wire

        good point and well taken, ~

        I can’t remember too many time in the past where high quality fire arms and gold was ever considered a bad investment.

        Can you?

        I’d personally stick with fire arms myself and especially this late in the game. You can only posses what you can protect.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        bob wire,
        I have both and am very able to protect both!!

      • Song

        Do you pay unemployment insurance Bob W?

      • bob wire

        My labor force is setup as subs, independent contractors and I take no withholding out of their cut. ~ I pay above market prices for labor. Tote and fetch 10. to 12., techs 20 with three hour minimum. I share the profits while I accept any and all losses. I front them if I find them worthy investment of a rolling inventory. ~ They don’t punch clocks or use other peoples trucks or tools. I am the license holder,insurance provider and hands on administrator.

        This is One of the few advantages of a small sole-proprietorship. But my ass-ests is always in harms way and I can’t contract for government (which suits me fine) I want no part of government work ~ as Bob so eloquently explained the reasons why many post back after 41 years of it.

        I sell results and I expect results in quick time. That’s not the governments way.

        I ask only three things, they do their best every minute, put safety first and never tell me no.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        bob,
        I worked for a plumber for a couple of years about 20 years ago. Back then I was just a plumbers helper with some experience in plumbing. I got 10 dollars an hour then, TWENTY YEARS AGO!!!

      • bob wire

        Well, no ~ I’m not setting the woods on fire and sure not bragging. Joe.

        Plumbers have always made good money Joe. That’s a secret that few know until you need one that’s licensed, insured and responds to a summons.

        $hit don’t run up hill, paydays is Friday, the boss is an a$$hole and don’t bite your nails, is the common understanding of a plumber and they like for you to keep that understanding as it serves them. They will laugh with you and claim to be into “processed foods” business.

        The labor rates have been slow to rise here in Texas, ~ as you know people have been come here by the droves for 20 plus years looking for work, this coupled with an endless supply of cheap Mexican labor has kept labor lower then it should be. ~ Supply and demand forces at work.

        You were making fair money at 10.00, 20 years ago if you were in Texas. ~ starting out you’d maybe get 12 to 14 today for the same work. Not much of a change hmm?

        If I paid tote and fetch 10 with travel and noon meals while most expect to pay 8.00 no meals, no water and find your own way home at days end. ~ I’d say I offer a better deal and expect better performance and I usually get it.

        Granted $10.00 sucks! I will pay $12. if they show me something and even $14.00 if they are really good.

        as far at Tech, we are not union, and not government ~ I pay $20.00 ~ That all the market will bear. We need to be paying $26.00 but it simply more then the market will bear Joe.

        I pay this out of $65.00 per man hour Tech time. I don’t believe I need to itemize my other expenses to make some point. It is what it is.

        The service profession is no place to get rich, if that your aim. The gain are small and easy to loose.

        We did get some relief a few years ago when the state started getting out of their Austin offices and enforcing these laws all licensed contractor must conform too. ~ They were using sting operations and busting 20 to 30 contractors a day. ~ Within 6 months I started feeling the difference, ~ I could actually get my price and make a little profit for a change.

        It made a huge difference over time but a damn shame I spent 20 years fighting something I had little control of as government waged it’s selective war on working professionals like myself.

        I’ve fell in and out of love with this profession 5 times that I can recall and now I’m too old to change and wouldn’t if I could.

        The point to all of this ? ~ My story is everybody story and nothing really news worthy. Work is subjecting yourself to inconvenience on a regular bases and accepting it as a good thing.

  • Dale on the left coast

    In Denmark . . . . unemployment benefits used to be for 5 years. It was found the most folks found work in the LAST 6 MONTHS . . . just before their generous benefits ran out. They have now reduced these generous benefits . . . and the folks still find work in the last 6 months . . . interesting!!!
    Extended Unemployment Benefits . . . created extended unemployement!!!

  • 45caliber

    OF COURSE, this increases employment – at the unemployment center!

  • Raggs

    Ok so how the hell does this idiot expect jobs to be created by paying people to stay home?

  • Kilgore Trout

    The concert of “Voodoo Economics” is as much BS today as it was when Reagan initiated it 30 years ago. Equating Capitalism with Free Market economics is absurd. Capitalism will destroy the free market as is so well demonstrated in the United States. Small businesses are swallowed up and any innovation they possessed are destroyed. If consumers have no disposable income you will have no demand for goods and services and the spiral will begin. You can point fingers at the political parties, but, neither of them care as they are being driven by the giant multi-national corporations who merely shift their output to another region and continue to make their profit. They need to be reigned in before they consume all of us.

  • Michael J.

    In one breath they preach about sustainability, and in the next they make claims that unemployment checks will somehow boost the economy. You don’t have to be a physicist to figure out that the flaws in what they are suggesting is a bit like trying to inflate a balloon with the air from another inflated balloon.

    Just another in a long line of Liberal buffoonery. For example, remember when Kim Basinger announced that the answer to Dear over population was contraceptives? Imagine running down a buck in order to persuade him to wear a condom every time he gets in a rut.

    What’s really scary is that these loony tunes are running things!

  • SalerPaul

    What “They” never tell us: “The REST of the story”:
    The money that PAYS those unemployment checks has to COME from somewhere – and of course, most of it has to come from EMPLOYERS!
    So then, at BEST, IF the whole process of taking from Peter to pay Paul to shop with Peter is 100% efficient, you would have a scenario of zero-net-gain. Of course, we know that efficiency does not exist, and so the ONLY result can be a NET LOSS to employers.
    THAT does not create any new jobs…

    • 45caliber

      The main reason that this is not 100% efficient is because the government workers need to be paid from this money too.

  • Bill

    this whole argument by the administration and parotted by carney shows how stupid they think we Americans are. Of course the sad thing is that there are many Americans who will repeat this drivel as “gospel”, becasue they don’t know any better.

    Carney must have no self respect to parot this nonsense before fellow reporters. They all know the truth, even if they won’t point that out to Carney.

    • Mike in MI

      Bill -
      It’s just another way Obama’s laughing at us. He sends his “CARNEY” out to tell us what the “Oblama-lama-ding-dong Sideshow” is going to offer us next to make our economy and manner of living deathly sick. You know I think if you sincerely wanted the best for your people and those who honored you with putting you in office you’d quit if you amde so many mistakes it became obvious you were hurting people.
      However, if your goal was to make people hurt as much as possible and ruin everything it took nearly 250 years to establish, and you knew how to do it and were doing it successfully – - – YOU WOULDN’T QUIT!!!
      You’d forge right ahead and double/triple down in your efforts. You’d smile and keep telling the same lies everybody keeps believing, no matter how foolish you make them or how stupid some of the folks realize you are. What Difference? – - You’ve got all the power. So make those buggers suck butt.

  • Michael

    More Welfare; there will be a time when all of this welfare will be unsustainable, all check’s from the Government will stop, Look around the World, almost every Country is Rioting – middle east – china – Europe, and if you look closely – they all resemble what is going on here in the USA 1776

    • Mike in MI

      Michael -
      It won’t be too long til everyone gets a reason to either riot or run and hide to guard their little stash of stuff. Then at the right moment it will be revealed how true the statement is, “The Devil’s in the details.” His buddy Obam is tieing up the details and loose ends right at this ver-ery moment…settin’ the stagelights.

  • bob wire

    I thought the same thing about 43′s administration’s little war that 11 years latter we still fight.

    He got us in so deep it’s hard to let go.

    • Mike in MI

      B.W. -
      He neve said it was going to be quick or cheap.
      We were doing all right til the Democrats took over in 2006 (only 4 years into it) and started dictating the rules of engagement to our disadvantage (and enrichment of their friends in the munitions and health/rehabilitation care and supplies industries). Don’t mean to pop yer bubble-butt, but O’bammy ain’t did nuttin’ to make her ennybedder. And his friends at Olin-Matheson, Colt, Sikorsky, General Dynamics and all the others on his overseas supply chain love seeing us go down. Puts a lot of “skins” on their backs…in perpetuity, cause we’ll never get out of debt.
      Like oOle Tennessee Ernie used to sing:
      “I owe-oh-oh-woe-o-o my so-o-o-ul…to the company’s whore.

      • bob wire

        “only 4 years into it” ????? only?

        If I recall, The Iraqi’s were gonna throw flower, soldiers were to dodge rose thorns! ~ so no ~ It was said to be quick and easy. Your memory fails you.

        But you are right, it became a war profiteering grab fest under 43′s administration. Those with the lest sin cast the first stone ~and I have no hesitation to do so.

        Blame the 43rd Congress, fine with me ~ there’s too much truth in you words to discount it. But they couldn’t stop the nonsense without being seen as not supporting the troops at that point. I consider them “willful hostages” The whole bunch were spineless, right and left alike with the exception of very few.

      • bob wire

        oops, 111th congress ~ I think? sorry.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        bob wire,
        i suppose Libya is FREE???? No profiteering there, right??? And congress didn’t even get to voice an opine on it!! If he retains his seat, watch out for Pakistan!!!!

      • bob wire

        I don’t know much about that Joe, I really can’t offer good comment yet. It’s a diverse conflict and everything I fear is not on the table to know or see.

        The alleged fear of massive civilian death was opening play for the US. ~ Was it contrived? Maybe? most likely.

        I figure it’s probably big business, markets and odd man out in play. It’s most likely a crafted power play with several players involved and having something to gain with a shift of power and new regime. “K” was a loner and see as having a weak position, much wealth and host of enemies like Saddam.

        If a nation such as the US invest so heavily in military ~ 10, 20 to one compared to other nations, it’s a shame to not find a place to use it.

        That we have allowed ourselves to grow to this is perhaps the greater shame of all as I ask myself where will it end?

        We are going to rot from the inside out if we don’t get our spending priorities in order.

  • http://moniquer7 Merlin

    What kind of moronic logic is that?

    • Mike in MI

      Merl – Never been to a carnival and heard the “carnie” outside the sideshow or other place where they had the freakish, queer, monstrous and grotesque things of the world laid out on display? The “carnie” gets sounding like an auctioneer trying to convince you you should turn over your buck and go in to see their “goodies”. Well, the “Oblama-lama-ding-dong Sideshow” is run a little different because they don’t want you to know what they’re doing behind the curtain. So they send out J.Carney to give us a hollow picture of who they are and what they do, give us something worthless for sitting in the carnival mud and swallowwing their lies. You wait and see though, they have in mind after the show to round us up and put us on display.
      Socialist monsters always do that as paybacks to the real people. Isn’t retribution a wonderful thing – you know don’t you?

  • Mike in MI

    I think “Carney” is really an apt name for anybody standing out in the lights hawking the “Oblama-lama-ding-dong Sideshow”: “Step right up ladies and gentlemen. We’ll give you money that’s worth about one bit and all you have to do is have a seat in the dirt while we project a hollowgram of everything we’ve got and what we’re doing inside and tell you what it means while we do. I’m tellin’ ya’, you ain’t never seen anything like this in the USS of Amerika…er guess it’s still the US of A…anyways, you ain’t never seen anything so terrble and feersome in yore la-a-iph. An’ we put on a show just fer yer ennertainmint…and you better luv it or maah naime aian’t Carney.

    • TIME

      Mike, BRAVO Great Post!

  • Tridntru

    Why didn’t someone think of this before. Layoff everyone extend the unemployment checks for a millenium and through some magic this downturn will end within 30 days.

    • 45caliber

      Because most of them aren’t stupid enough to believe what they tell you. They just believe you will believe it.

  • eddie47d

    Small business’s don’t benefit much from unemployment but large corporations are always trying to find ways to get rid of workers and a bad economy does just that. They can streamline thier companies and have less workers to pay.That way they don’t have to feel guilty about laying them off. A lousy economy can make them money with that reduced work force and the statistics have proven that. Corporate profits up 3-7%,CEO pay way is up so let’s look at that silver lining and to heck with those unemployed “slobs”. Our infrastructure is suffering and the chickens will come home to roost on that issue but what the heck. I do worry that that unemployed will loose their incentive to work for a living and end up transferring over to welfare. Then the Democrats and Republicans will have an even greater mess on their hands.

    • Jay

      And considering the bleak picture you painted, you would think the “brown bomber”, obama, would get off his lazy azz, put down his putter, and do what he’s supposed to do, get the economy mooooving! But he won’t, because he’s a crook, a treasonous snake, and a liar. He has all but shut down industry, and dumb-azz liberals wonder why things are getting worse. And to top it all off, we have to listen to a moron like you blather on about the rich. ITS THE INDUSTRY STUPID, NOT THE RICH. ITS OBAMA, NUMB-NUTS, NOT THE RICH!

      • eddie47d

        I try to avoid the name calling but the Jay’s keep pushing for it.You may have lots of money you are fearful of loosing. Since you are so adamant to defend those who are “rich” as if they all earned it. I hate too burst your bubble but they didn’t. The “rich” have rigged the system to pad their wallets and if you can’t fathom that then you must be part and parcel of their schemes. You’re like a drunk who hides a bottle in every corner of the house and lies about his drinking.

      • Gib74

        Actually, a lot of the rich do earn it.

        I’ve spent a decade saving my money. I worked temp jobs when my full-time work wasn’t there. I avoided spending everything at the strip-clubs, on video games, or expensive cars.

        Now I’m getting ready to open my first business, my baby-clothes store. It’s been and will continue to be a lot of work. Having to get the legal paperwork finished, hiring employees, finding the right location, finding the manufacturers, lots of phone calls all hours of the day and night.

        I’ve saved a lot when I was in the Army, but I have messed up my body for life. I’ve got frostbite on my legs from standing guard on my comm shelters in the wintertime and my knee is shot. I still wake up in the night screaming in pain if I hit it the wrong way.

        So for someone who probably has never worked much or toward a goal their entire life I have to tell you how bloody wrong you are. I have earned EVERY little bit that I have managed to put away and not waste on foolish things. Too many of you liberals only live for the present, with no thought for the future but want to blame others for making something of their lives.

        Any rate, rant from a soon to be small business owner and hopefully (with a LOT more work) rich guy is over.

        You can unpause your Play station and Nintendo and go back to hating the rich for working to improve themselves while you keep trying to save the princess. Night night. = ]

      • Jana

        Gib74,
        Thank you for your service and your sacrifice. I hope your business thrives.

      • JeffH

        Easy-E says “I try to avoid the name calling” That’s the second BOLD FACED LIE you got caught in today.

        “I try to avoid the name calling”…you much prefer to initiate.
        “I try to avoid the name calling”, yeah, right…liar! ROFLMAO!

      • bob wire

        “He has all but shut down industry, and dumb-azz liberals wonder why things are getting worse.”

        No Jay, it is “they” that has shut things down in their reaction to him.

        What did he do? ~ just make something up, it really doesn’t matter, they feel justified as a shut down serves their best interest.

        After 30 years of easy money ~ the wealthy see little incentive to work anymore. Much like you or I would be if the tables were turned. That’s the fruits of overpaying employees or bestowing lavish gifts on a new bride. What’s your follow up? They are not interested.

        “Don’t bother me with small change if you can’t offer me huge returns I’ll sit pat on my dragon horde until you see things clearer and you will because I can shut you down.”

        and that’s where we are at with big business.

        I don’t really care as long as it’s not me that has to kiss their a$$. You do it! and start the machine, I’ll make it worth your wild. Find a white man that at least doesn’t appear to be some meat puppet for big business and I’ll vote for him or her. You win!

        This dirty sock fight has got to have an end.

      • Gib74

        bob, see above reply to ed. ; ]

      • bob wire

        Well the best of luck with your dream Gib ~ and the legs. ~

        hard work does not get the honor or attention it use to or should Gib.

        Work smart ~ and maybe consider the rules are in place for you too lose. Some you can ignore and some you can’t.

  • bob wire

    I don’t know if it actually “creates job” or not but for every dollars spend into unemployment there is a dollar and 60 cents is spend into the private sector makes sense as these people are living on the crest of the wave and cannot afford to “hold” earnings as it’s taking everything that they can beg, borrow or steal to address day to day living.

    This is by no means a desirable state of affairs but postponing very bad times and hard choices with some hopes of buying time for the economy and supply & demand forces to come into play.

    That it’s seen in the best interest for certain political affiliations that the economy stay “flat” in the run up to 2012 elections with hopes the American people vote their pocket book in a protest vote rather then some “ideological vote” is most understandable while disheartening most likely, will work.

    It stands to reason this attack on the unemployed would only advance “this goal”. Make the price for voting democrat just to heavy to bear and cloud people memories of the recent past with overriding current events.

    The big business with the help of the GOP has cut the American peoples water off and saying to them , “Who’s your Daddy?”

    They have gotten “too big to fail” and tied a noose around our necks.

    Solution? Mine would be, ~ allow market forced to prevail and allow them to fall on their ass~ests, accepting what don’t kill us makes us only stronger.

    Without question, it would be a dark day.

    • Matt Newell

      Your comment “or every dollars spend into unemployment there is a dollar and 60 cents is spend into the private sector” does not make any sense. It sounds like the same statement “the Chosen One” or one of his minions said a while back. It is the ripple down theory as designed by a tax and spend mentality. It generally won’t ripple past the first business transaction but that crowd thinks it will go on and on (they seem to have forgotten that the profit is normally less than 10% and the business would have to have double the orders to even justify spending more). And don’t forget that more profit means higher taxes so the one who gets the most bang for the buck is the Government.

      • bob wire

        Hmm? ~ I understand your quandary Matt ~ allow me to attempt to make sense of it and where the 60 cents comes from.

        Without the federal dollar investment ~ the people’s movement and activities would be greatly restricted more the they already are. Now you could think of that as maybe a good thing and perhaps in some cases it is. But for that many people to quit consuming, quit moving about hunting for this 60 cents, we’d flat line, have nothing. It’s cash flow Matt.

        I started a business in 1968 Matt on a $1,300.00 loan. I lived and worked for 5 years Matt before I made my first dollar. 5 years later I had $1301.00 dollars. But I did sustain my family, buying what was necessary and paid taxes, city, country, state and federal.

        So how did this happen? ~ The dynamics of currency, market forces and being very thrifty.

        I could not have paid all of these taxes without the initial $1,300.00

        The pump must have a prime if you expect water. It takes a little water to start the flow but once the flow is interrupted it’s very difficult to get started again and so too it is with the economy.

        If the money ever stops transferring ~ completely ~ today would seem a banquet.

      • Jana

        Still sounds like a lot of double speak to me.

      • TIME

        Bob,
        Allow me to state the TRUTH on this issue.

        Tax payers ~ pay taxs to the FEDERAL Government ~ who in turn give the money back to the states.
        ***But with “LOTS of STRINGS attached.”***

        So in fact the US TAX payers are getting screwed in the back side by the “CRIMINALS in the Federal Government.”

        I hope that clears this up for you.

        Oh and by the way as we as a nation are getting LOANS on all that money JFTR {that also means Interest % on top of the principal,} thats the same money the Feds are giving out now BTW is from Foreign banks.
        Now tell me what makes any sense about this absurd behavior?

        By the way being “Unemployed is not a JOB.”
        What the bloody hell are you smoking?

        Do your clients pay you with bottle caps or do you take IOU’S for payments on your work product?
        Did you not say you were a Plumer? I know the fellow we hired to fix our issues was very quick to hand us a bill for $1500.00 BTW ~ he wanted CASH only as in no IOU’S and no Bottle caps.

      • Jana

        TIME,
        According to bob wire he is a professional listener.
        I quote**************
        bob wire says:

        August 12, 2011 at 2:10 am

        Actually, I am a professional listener and make a fair living at it without the need of begging someone for a job or some “entitlement”.
        ***********************
        So I am sure he will comprehend what you say since he is such a professional.

      • bob wire

        Well Time, I never said it was a job, I never said this process was a good thing, I never said that it was a bad thing.

        I explained the 60 cents, where it is created and how “many” perceive it and how important they think it to be.

        and my attempt to shine light into dark places should not warrant attack from you.

        I’ve never been involved with unemployment on any level with one exception. I married a nice women that quit her job after the wedding which was to be the first of many surprises that continued for 11 years.

        My personal belief is that far to many people expect a job to be provided by the wealthy making them a little more then a house negro. There is a place for a house negro I suppose, they serve a purpose. But in times like we are experiencing today it takes initiative and assertiveness if you expect to overcome the obstacles of the day.

        This pretending to pay someone that pretends to work is not something I’m willing to accept for myself on either end. But it’s good that everyone is not like myself. I depend on what others don’t know or can’t or refuse to do.

      • bob wire

        Thank you Jana, ~ It’s far more becoming that you toot my horn then I.

        If I wasn’t a good listener, just how long do you think I might last in the private sector, carving out a comfortable living in the service and reclaim industry? Just how far can one go without the ability to listen to someone express their needs and concerns and pay you a professional fee to address them? So yes. I’m a good listener, I have to be.

        It is not I that claims unemployment is some kind of substitute for a job. I never offered that, so where Time got that, only he can say.

        Listening is more then simply hearing and does take years for some people to develop (if they ever do). Most all people are transmitters but not all can receive. Their head is too full.

        I work with full heads everyday ~ it’s hard to get anything “in” ~ leaving you to repeat and repeat and if that fails, offer them drama!

      • Gib74

        bob, Jana did not give you a complement.

        It’s sarcasm.

        And you tout yourself as a ~listener~?

      • bob wire

        Don’t permit my unpretentious manner to fool you Hip Shot.

        Jana is an easy read. The dig was at her expense and went clear over your head simpleton.

      • Jana

        bob wire,
        I can’t add anything to that! You shot yourself with your own big mouth!

  • http://Verizon Bud G.

    Right, and the tooth fairy really does put that money under your pillow.

    David: The only mistake Bush made was allowing the Democratic controlled Congress to convince him the spending was necessary. You are just like all the people blaming the Tea Party for the downgrade of our AAA rating when the S&P and Wall Street have both said the failure by Congress to reduce spending was the reason and in fact told you the Tea Party was correct. The point is, Congress doesn’t want to reduce the entitlements and several unneeded agencies in our government. It doesn’t take a genius to know if it isn’t done, there will be no money to pay for them and a bankrupt country where the cost of living will spiral out of control.

    This administration is loaded with academics who have no clue how to run this country economically or with sound polices foreign or domestic. That is fact and if you don’t believe it, check their background.

    • Brad

      I read this post from Conservative Byte yesterday and it fits your final comment to a tee, enjoy.

      AUDREY says:
      August 14, 2011 at 2:42 pm
      I FOUND THIS ONLINE

      AN IMPORTANT READING …..DOES IT MATTER NOW??? … IT BETTER………….

      WHEN Obama wrote a book and said he was mentored as a youth by Frank (Frank Marshall Davis) an avowed Communist, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN it was discovered that his grandparents were strong socialists who sent Obama’s mother to a socialist school where she was introduced to Frank Marshall Davis. He was later introduced to young Barrack Hussein Obama. People said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN people found out that Barrack Hussein Obama was enrolled as a Muslim child in school and his father and stepfather were both Muslims, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he wrote in another book he authored “I will stand with them (Muslims) should the political winds shift in an ugly direction” people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he admittedly, in his book, said he chose Marxist friends and professors in college– people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he traveled to Pakistan after college on an unknown national passport, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he sought the endorsement of the Marxist Party in 1996 as he ran for the Illinois Senate, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he sat in a Chicago Church for twenty years and listened to a preacher spew hatred for America and preach black liberation theology, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN an independent Washington organization, that tracks Senate voting records, gave him the distinctive title as the “most liberal senator,” people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN the Palestinians in Gaza set up a fund raising telethon to raise money for his election campaign, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN his voting record supported gun control, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he refused to disclose who donated money to his election campaign, as other candidates had done, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he received endorsements from people like Louis Farrakhan and Mummar Kadaffi and Hugo Chavez, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN it was pointed out that he was a total newcomer and had absolutely no experience at anything except community organizing, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he chose friends and acquaintances such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who were revolutionary radicals, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN his voting record in the Illinois senate and in the U.S. Senate came into question, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he refused to wear a flag lapel pin, and did so only after a public outcry, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN people started treating him as a Messiah and children in schools were taught to sing his praises, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he stood with his hands over his groin area for the playing of the National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he surrounded himself in the White house with advisors who were pro-gun control, pro- abortion, pro-homosexual marriage and wanting to curtail freedom of speech to silence the opposition people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he aired his views on abortion, homosexuality and a host of other issues, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he said he favors sex education in Kindergarten, including homosexual indoctrination, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN his personal background was either scrubbed or hidden and nothing could be found about him, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN the place of his birth was called into question, and he refused to produce a birth certificate, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he had an association in Chicago with Tony Rezco–a man of questionable character and who is now in prison and had helped Obama to a sweet deal on the purchase of his home– people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN it became known that George Soros, a multi-billionaire Marxist, spent a ton of money to get him elected, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he started appointing White House Czars that were radicals, revolutionaries, and even avowed Marxist/Communist, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he stood before the Nation and told us that his intentions were to “fundamentally transform this Nation” into something else, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN it became known that he had trained ACORN workers in Chicago and served as an attorney for ACORN, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he appointed cabinet members and several advisors who were tax cheats and socialists, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he appointed a Science Czar, John Holdren, who believes in forced abortions, mass sterilizations and seizing babies from teen mothers, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he appointed Cass Sunstein as Regulatory Czar who believes in “Explicit Consent,” harvesting human organs without family consent, and allowing animals to be represented in court, while banning all hunting, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he appointed Kevin Jennings, a homosexual, and organizer of a group called gay, lesbian, straight, education network as Safe School Czar and it became known that he had a history of bad advice to teenagers, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he appointed Mark Lloyd, as Diversity Czar, who believes in curtailing free speech; taking from one and giving to another to spread the wealth; who supports Hugo Chavez, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN Valerie Jarrett was selected as Obama’s Senior White House Advisor and she is an avowed Socialist, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN Anita Dunn, White House Communications Director said Mao Tse Tung washer favorite philosopher– and the person she turned to most for inspiration, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he appointed Carol Browner as Global Warming Czar, and her being a well known socialist working on Cap and Trade as the nations largest tax, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he appointed Van Jones, an ex-con and avowed Communist as Green Energy Czar, who since had to resign when this was made known, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN Tom Daschle, Obama’s pick for health and human services secretary could not be confirmed, because he was a tax cheat, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN as President of the United States , he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia , people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he traveled around the world criticizing America and never once talking of her greatness, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN his actions concerning the Middle-East seemed to support the Palestinians over Israel , our long time ally, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he took American tax dollars to resettle thousands of Palestinians from Gaza to the United States , people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he upset the Europeans by removing plans for a missile defense system against the Russians, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he played politics in Afghanistan by not sending troops early-on when the Field Commanders said they were necessary to win, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he started spending us into a debt that was so big we could not pay it off, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he took a huge spending bill under the guise of stimulus and used it to pay off organizations, unions, and individuals that got him elected, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he took over insurance companies, car companies, banks, etc., people said it didn’t matter

      WHEN he took away student loans from the banks and put it through the government, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he designed plans to take over the health care system and put it under government control, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he claimed he was a Christian during the election and tapes were later made public that showed Obama speaking to a Muslim group and ‘stating’ that he was raised a Muslim; was educated as a Muslim; and that he is still a Muslim– people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he set into motion a plan to take over the control of all energy in the United States through Cap and Trade, people said it didn’t matter.

      WHEN he finally completed his transformation of America into a Socialist State , people finally woke up— but it was too late.

      Add these up one by one and you get a phenomenal score that points to the fact that Barrack Hussein Obama is determined to turn America into a Marxist-Socialist society.

      All of the items in the preceding paragraphs have been put into place.

      All can be documented very easily. Before you disavow this do an internet search.

      The last paragraph alone is not yet cast in stone. You and I will write that paragraph. Will it read as above or will it be a more happy ending for most of America? ]

      If you are an Obama Supporter don’t be angry with me because I think Barrack Hussein Obama is a socialist. Far too many facts support he is indeed a Socialist.

      If you seek the truth you will be richer for it.

      Don’t just belittle the opposition. Search for the truth. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Constitutionalists, Libertarians all need to pull together or watch the demise of a free democratic society.

      Pray for Americans to seek the truth and take action for it will keep us FREE.

      Our biggest enemy is not China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran our biggest enemy is a contingent of politicians in Washington DC.

      The government will not help, so we need to do it ourselves.

      Question….will you delete this, or pass it on to others who don’t know about Obama’s actions and plans for the USA, so that they may know how to vote in November, 2012 and the ensuing years?

      It’s your decision.

      I believe it does matter. How about you?

      • Tammy Wolff

        Well Said Brad! It DOES matter to ME! I copied and pasted and sent to all my friends and the few family members that actually voted for “The Chosen One”. I think THEIR eyes are finally open now with seeing the “Change” that never happened. God Bless America’s Future.

      • Jana

        Tammy, So did I.
        That was a very good article and puts it in a very good prospective of why it should matter to us.

      • TIME

        Brad,

        Dude thats a Great post, I thank you very much for posting it, we do it in drips and drabs daily, but when its combined in one smooth post even a dead man can’t argue with the facts.

      • Simian Pete

        BRAD !,

        He(Obama) is the chosen one ! He will bring balance between the light and dark sides of the FORCE !!!!

        Oh, wait, I’m sorry I’ve been watching to much of Star Wars !!

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Ignorance is bliss, evidently. They know exactly what they are doing. This is all a smoke screen to hide the fact that they are intentionally destroying what little capitalism we have left.

    • Lee Baldwin

      this is simply another vain attempt at garnering votes, Capitalist at Birth. Why do you think the Obama wants to give amnesty to 17 million illegal aliens? >he believes he will get their votes is why<

  • david

    Well I think Bush said to spend, spend and spend some. That was his solution and look how great we are doing now. So whats wrong with this philosophy? Hmmmmmm

    • Jana

      david,
      And Obama’s idea is to take from you and give to me. That applies to all of the people but him, because he likes to spend our money too.

      • Jay

        Ten years from now, numbskull dave will still be blaming Bush.

      • Lee Baldwin

        come on, Jay! ~You know all of the Ofraud’s problemos were caused by George W. Bush!!! You know this because the Obama has told us over and over and over again that it is not his fault!

        So, we ALL know what to do come November 2012. ~crybabies out, workers in. PERIOD.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Lee,
        We know this because it’s ALL the azz has told us!!!

      • Jay

        If only the socialist gnats knew the efficacy, and benefits of an honest days work, they would be waking up every morning with bells on!

      • Iva Raggon

        try reading this enlightening article by respected investor, Warren Buffett:

        http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html?_r=3&smid=tw-nytimesbusiness&seid=auto

      • clipper1

        A rich old man looking for attention. He knows he’ll get it from a communist because he is saying what the communist wants to hear. Never mind the a large portion of his fortune was created because of Capital Gains tax rates. Whjile I was trying to keep some of what I made (and was being taxed at the 44% rate) he paid a maximum tax rate of 15-20% depending on the year. He now has over 50 billion capital sheltered from ordinary taxation (with rates as high as 39%) and knows he can go around spewing stupidity and gile and it won’t affect him one bit! If you want fair taxes, create a maximum tax rate of 15% for all taxes property, income, “fees”, and all other theft by ALL GOVERNMENT IN THE U.S. AND everyone with income over 30k/year pays the same rate. Get some level heads into congress and within 18 mos. the GDP will be advancing at the rate of 6%+ every quarter.

  • skippy

    I guess Carney figures if you don’t have a job you don’t have to pay rent/mortgage, utilities, food costs…you know, just the ‘normal’ everyday stuff. And that if you get an unemployment check you are just going on one big ass ‘free’ shopping spree!!! :) Yep, that’ll work…idiot!!!! Does he NOT know that every dime of that check is taxed?? Ya think they will put a little away to pay that tax??

  • Warrior

    How about instead of laying out easter eggs on the white house lawn, just lay out stacks of 100′s. Better yet, how about more lottery winners or even better than that, how about expanding the congress by about a million new seats. D-bags come up with the best ideas for prosperity, don’t they?

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Warrior,
      Yeah THEIR posterity!!!

  • http://AOL BOB Robbins

    U are right, Carney has never impressed me as being a good spokesman for anyone but a community organizer.

  • Mickey

    What is wrong with democrat mentality that unemployment checks create job growth? I can’t believe they are that stupid. It is obviously a ploy to the uneducated in order to help get re-elected.

    • Jana

      Mickey,
      That’s it! This IS their mentality. They aren’t even smart enough to see the fallacy of this statement.

      • Lee Baldwin

        Jana, the Obama is trying to get 13% of OUR COUNTRY’S votors to vote for him! plain and simple. No different than trying to legalize 17 million illegal aliens just to get their votes. There IS transparency in our White House! We must keep our eyes wide open on this guy Obama.

      • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

        Agreed, tho they seem to be convinced that increasing unemployment increases votes they will get too. And lead to personal enrichment for them! They are thinking first for themselves, and then whom they can use. And the good of America last, if at all.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Lewis,
        They don’t give a dam about the good of the people as a whole!!! Never have, never will!!!

  • s c

    I heard Carney’s words on the radio, and I have to conclude that he is a mental prion. His treatment of Laura Meckler is typical of this administration’s woman-abusing, paranoid arrogance. Meckler should have told you to kiss her patoot, and that no one in this W H is good enough to talk to any woman in such a manner.
    Without a doubt, feminists will line up to shelter Carney, and hypocrisy will again remain in full bloom. Media whores, do you have any spine left?
    Carney, get help. You are a disgrace to America, and no respectable news agency would have anything to do with you (not unlike the previous horse’s ass).

    • Jerry

      Prion, a word I had to look up and glad I did. It fits not only Carney but the entire extreme left give me insolence of the present regime and those that support it.
      They do not understand that a job, no matter how meager or low wage it may be is better than being seduced by overprotective and overindulgent manners.
      I am old enough to remember Roosevelt’s Public Works projects and some of the people who were part of it. The pay was much less than Obama’s “Stay Home” Unemployment Project. As a child of 9 years I delivered milk to several homes in my community. The milk was in glass bottles and 12 or 15 bottles were a heavy load, heavy but deliver it I did and was proud to do so. My route was at night when it was cold and the milk would not spoil; the route carried me past a public works cement project (sidewalks) that required watching over by a guard. I always stopped to warm my hands at his fire and to talk a little about whatever. I cannot remember this man complaining about conditions or pay. He was proud to do his part and take his pay. As I left the fire I always gave a bottle of milk with him for his family. The cap was slightly askew and therefore not sellable on instructions from the dairyman.

    • David M

      Obama 2012. Dope and Welfare!

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