Whoa dude, what do you mean four and a half billion years old. The earth is only 6000 years old. You need to bone up on the bible and get your facts straight.

hicusdicus, take a hiatus…according to wiki, “Earth formed 4.54 billion years ago, and life appeared on its surface within one billion years”

wiki was there I assume . . . LOL

JeffH – Don’t you ever wonder how they get those numbers? 4.54 billion? Really?

Millions, billions, gazillions. Who cares. You just can’t establish something that far back. I think they make most of that stuff up.

@Kate8 – Unlike religion, right?

Kate8, it sure is…hey but global warming/climate change is the result of man…the Ice Age be damned.

You really want to get confused, take a look at this…Geologic and Biological Timeline of the Earth
http://www.scientificpsychic.com/etc/timeline/timeline.html

Jeff H.,

‘Wiki’ can be altered by ANYONE who has the desire and a computer to type on and click… [presto] info changed or added to.

That’s why they wouldn’t let my elementary kids use it for data collection nor as a reference on their reports.

I don’t buy the ‘pretender’ scientists ginormous billion of years… how the heck to they know? They have an ‘agenda’ and it isn’t TRUTH.

The Bible tells us how old the earth is… I’ll stick to TRUTH.

Yeah, and earth is still flat, and the sun still revolves around the earth.

Didn’t Isiah say the Earth was a Sphere about 6 thousand years ago . . . it was only the “Progressives” who believed it was FLAT!!!
Columbus was Jewish . . . he had read the book . . . so he sailed west with confidence.

Dale and TLM

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/flat/flateart.htm

@coal miner – …and you’re linking this why? You did understand my comment was sarcasm right?

Jeff, get your head out of your colon. I was being sarcastic. My wife is a palaeontologist.

..ad hominem attack…

Paleontologist? But can I assume that you’re not…am I correct?

Next time, put a “wink” on it. I took you literally, too.

TML says:
August 10, 2011 at 5:54 pm
@coal miner – …and you’re linking this why? You did understand my comment was sarcasm right?
TML,my statement was not aim at you.I was backing up you sense of humor and refuting Dale’s quote.

I dub thee…Moron

That was great TML..I hadn’t heard that…very funny…unfortunately hic – you are not.

Song, what do you mean I am not funny? Aren’t you the one who commented on Hicus being funny in the head?

discusdicus,
You are definitely weird, but I agree, you are not funny.

The late George Carlin said it masterfully, too, didn’t he? Awesome summary, and with humor!

IF they can be used to raise the taxes, ie, better control your actions, politicians will do just that, as Obama gets laws through to raise the cost of energy until he collars the money supply so we have to bow the head for the yoke! Controlling the climate can be a most powerful, and despicable, way to force people to do what a dictator wants.

http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/faculty/ritter/geog101/textbook/climate_systems/climate_change.html

Boy howdy karoln, did you ever say a mouth full. Just look at all the nonsense connected to religion and so called god.

And, pray tell, who do you think deposited your hiney on this planet? Oh, that’s right, some bunch of scientists, eh? Some smarty-pants guys in lab coats just down the hallway. Oh, it was your parents wasn’t it? And where did your parents arrive from? Those lab coat guys? Nah, didn’t think so. Trust me, we ain’t all that and we didn’t get here by our stupid selves. We are not the sharpest tack in the box on the intelligence tree of the Universe. But, I don’t suppose you have any inclination toward Divine Intervention, though, do you? I’ll err on the side of the Holy Trinity, you keep on cruising down that path of yours.

Didn’t Fat Al and his buddy from NASA Hansen tell us in the 90′s that the ocean would rise 30 FEET by TODAY??? Didn’t they say the Arctic would be open water??? They LIED!!! Al got Rich with his krazy movie . . . that a judge in Britain banned because it contained Zero Science. Al is a “Con Man” . . . just as he was back in the day when he was Stealing Oil Rights from the Indians.

No, the truth is in the facts, mathematically provable facts. We aren’t in a courtroom debating some perps actions in a dark alley, and basing the juries decision on evidence, we are basing the rhetoric of gorebull warming (I love that one) on scientific facts that are vast and impeccable. Ice core samples from polar studies show that about every 150,000 years the Earth cycles through very warm and very cool periods…the cooling periods lasting much longer–go look it up and debate the facts. We are at the end of a warming period. When will humans ever learn that we aren’t some miscreants deposited on the Earth from another planet to junk it up, but we are just as much a part of this earth as ants and cockroaches and bacteria. We just have opposing thumbs. We have no more control of the planetary thermostat as we do of painting the moon green, but you’ll believe a crack-pot politican with an audience of jackasses every time. Show me any crowd of humans who have ever stopped a tornado, ever caused the sun not to rise and set, ever stopped the flow of sand on a beach, ever fixed a drought or prevented a flood. The Earth’s climate is changing…it’s called weather.

Yes, it is weather. Period. End of discussion. Man cannot affect the weather. We can pollute the earth, water and skies, but we cannot change the seasons, change the temperature or the amount of precipitation the Earth receives. One of the hottest decades ocurred between 1880 and 1890, well before the Industrial Revolution began, thus warming the planet as Gore and the other mythical hockeystick graphic chart makers claim. Why ANYONE continues to believe a word that comes out of his fat face, is beyond me! But as P.T. Barnum said, “There is a sucker born every minute!”

Stickwoman Red,
You rock.

No truth is truth – like gravity kills. Truth is NOT in the eye of the beholder. That is opinion.

And we all know about opinions – they are like a**holes – everyone has them. Some are just more pronounced than others.

Karolyn – Those who are refuting global warming aren’t doing it to make billions. Maybe trillions. They’re doing it because it’s a huge lie being put forth for purposes of controlling every move we make, every breath we take.

Always follow the money (and the power).

The debate really is not “Does global warming exist,” but it is “Does MAN-MADE Global Warming Exist.” The question is do governments have the right to take its citizen’s money to “fight” a problem that wasn’t caused by them? If it turns out the man’s impact is 2% and nature is 98%, we don’t have the technical means to mitigate CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere to any meaningful extent. On the other hand, the scheme is an effective way to transfer vast amounts of wealth through CO2 taxes and regulations.

It has been pointed out many times that CO2 is a far less effective greenhouse gas than methane or water vapor. So perhaps we should consider taxing cows (they emit methane) and clouds

By the way, there is no Earth atmosphere “thousands of miles higher.” I don’t know from where you get your information, but it has flaws.

good points tweezel as for eddie, the more I read his posts, the more I am convinced he just makes things up as he goes.

tweezel says “The debate really is not “Does global warming exist,” but it is “Does MAN-MADE Global Warming Exist.” ”

Thank you for that ovelooked and honest statement of fact.

Not being a member of the “scientific community” I will go out on a limb(all be it a very stable limb) and say that “global warming(climate change) has been a part of the world since it’s ceation.
I don’t believe the sharpest minds in history can debunk that statement…does that make me a genius for stating the obvious? No!

A little common sense goes a long way…Al Gore should try it sometime.

Tweezel,Song, and JeffH,

Hurrayyyyyy for common sense.
There are always the fear mongers out there who aren’t happy unless they promote more fear. Hmmm another word is terrorize people.

Yep, the leftists in our midst are terrorists.

Jana – And they accuse US of fear mongering.

Everything they do is about fear. We’re either running out, using up, melting, freezing, killing off, over-populating, polluting, or otherwise irreparably damaging the Earth.

They just don’t believe anything is renewing, regenerating, self-limiting or durable. They think forcing austerity on us the way to save the world. And they try to destroy man’s incentive to innovate. In fact, they seek to destoy man altogether, while attempting to appear altruistic.

In other words, they have no faith outside of themselves and their small thinking.

Talk about the sky is falling.

tweezel: You are correct in saying that our atmosphere is not thousands of miles up and I should have said hundreds. More accurately 300-372 miles in depth.

Edie . . . all you talking points are “Patent NONSENSE” . . .all have been Debunked by Real Scientists in the last few years.
Kilimanjaro has been loosing ice for 100 years . . . directly related to the Deforestation in the area. Arctic Ice just had a record season . . . largest number of icebergs ever seen off the Labrador coast this spring, one bigger than Manhattan.
Oceans are Not Rising, Ocean salinity . . .NONSENSE!!!
Anthropogenic Gorebull Warming . . . is a MYTH!!! . . .
The Reality is . . . the world has been Much Colder than today . . . and Much Warmer than today . . . so what’s the big deal???

you get more icebergs when ice is soft, breaking, melting, not when it’s cold. I wonder how you’ll feel when the average sea level rises by 2 meters?

You believe that the Earth’s atmosphere is “thousands” of miles deep?
eddie-u-cate yourself:
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jetstream/atmos/layers.htm
Thermosphere
Above the mesosphere the thermosphere extends up to near 375 miles (600 km) above the earth. This layer is known as the upper atmosphere.

The gases of the thermosphere are increasingly thinner than in the mesosphere. As such, incoming high energy ultraviolet and x-ray radiation from the sun, absorbed by the molecules in this layer, causes a large temperature increase.

Because of this absorption, the temperature increases with height and can reach as high as 3,600°F (2,000°C) near the top of this layer; however, despite the high temperature, this layer of the atmosphere would still feel very cold to our skin because of the extremely thin air. The total amount of energy from the very few molecules in this layer is not enough to heat our skin.

Facts, and not your rhetoric, prove what is real vs. propaganda.

Did man cause the huge trees to grow in Greenland 5000 years ago? That are melting out now? Or grapes to grow abundantly in Iceland in the times of the Vikings? Did man cause the Maunder minimum and the little ice age in the 1700′s? If man causes climate change, he works it both ways, it would appear.

And from the ice records, has been doing so for millions of years, in a regular cycle, which just happens to coincide with an earthly orbital cycle.

Now, if you check, you will find that man-made dust cools the atmosphere, just like dust from huge volcanic explosions does, and did twice in the 1800′s. Now Al Gore comes along and wants all dust cleaned up, and the rate of warming is rising fast as dust is removed from the atmosphere. Seems not to be working like he wanted???

The global warming has gone faster and faster as man has removed the dust from the atmosphere and let the sun’s heat down to the surface! Al Gore’s cleanup is counterproductive, it appears.

Lots more where Al Gore deliberately faked things to get his empire and riches going, no matter how much it hurt mankind in general.

Dan az,

“Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the general, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in CAVES and among the ROCKS of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the ROCKS, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”

Revelation 6 : 15-17

Here The Bible tells us that all the evil rulers and enslaved people and free people who HAVE NOT BELIEVED that Jesus Christ is Lord… will hide in CAVES in the mountains among the ROCKS [after the seven year Tribulation] to get away from the wrath (of God and) Jesus who is the Lamb and who sits on the throne. The lost people want the ROCKS to fall on them and hide them…ouch… as they are scared to death at this prophecy time where the Lord will take His wrath or punishment out on them for their disbelief, disobedience, defiance, arrogance, and harm they have done to His children… the Believers, and all His Creation.

Looks like in the end your ‘chicken little’ will be doing just that… looking for a cave to hide in.

Christin,
But he still has such loyal followers why should he stop. Look at eddie and Roy major. Wow such supposedly smart people being led around by their noses. Some people are so gullible.

Jana, I’ll give eddie some credit for his passion towards the environment and I’m very sure he does as much as he can for it, but unfortunately he’s been tricked into the “man made” idea and hoax to the point of extremism..that’s, to me, is over the line and a pill that’s hard to swallow. Some are just more easily duped than others in that regard.

Was that a backhanded compliment Jeff? Naw it must have been a illusion. How many times have you been duped by Wall Street ,banksters or other shady operators? Some of you are very gullible on financial issues because the same things happen over and over. You have your opinions and I have mine so we can each call the other down if that pleases you.

Acttually the early Romans invented the interstate highway system and some of their roads are still around. The Germans refined it into the Autobahn, which Eisenhower saw and admired in WWII as it allowed faster travel for both sides than any other means. That was what inspired him to jumpstart the interstate highway system.

When the conservatives start conserving and realizing that they have about six other reasons to transition to clean and safe energy, our country will make some progress with a new clean economy.

Both of you, Edie and Roy, are so bull of BS that it is no wonder you blindly follow the likes of Al Gore. The old mantra that conservatives don’t value clean air and clean water et al., is old, tired, worn out and completely untrue. Neither of you even address the hypocrisy known as Al Gore. Conservatives, unlike yourselves, don’t need government to tell them what is best for them, we happen to be well-educated and in many cases outdoorsmen that have been practicing conversation long before it ever became the “green” thing to do.

Song,
You said it so very correctly.
We didn’t need someone to tell us to conserve. We have been practicing this pretty much all of our lives. Even to the point in the kitchen we have been washing aluminum foil and reusing it, washing out plastic freezer bags and reusing them etc.
Right now in this triple digit heat we are experiencing here in Texas we have our ac set on 82 and use a fan in the room where we are.

Even when they told us to water in the early morning as watering during the night would cause mold on the grass, I still watered at night as I saw no mold, and felt this was wiser. Now it is mandatory.

Liberals always seem to hold themselves in such high esteem, and feel they are so much smarter and wiser than anyone else. Watch how they vote, it shows they are definitely not smarter.

Sure Roy M,
And they even have little children on the radio telling adults how to conserve. Laughable. Talk about the blind leading the stupid.

You would follow someone who doesn’t practice what he preaches. What about using your brain and good common sense. In other words, think.

Jana – Asking a liberal to think is practically blasphemy to them.

When their “leaders” speak, they parrot. That’s all they need to know. Makes them feel safe, I guess.

They are taught not to question Leftist dogma. Thinking only gets them ostracized, and they so need to feel that they belong.

Jana; Is your water board Liberal or are you just using that as an excuse to bash Liberals for your water problems. I will give you credit for washing that aluminum foil and reusing it. When I recycle I try and use as little water as possible to clean food cans.

Oh Kate; Why are you so wrong on some issues. You are not the only one with “all the answers”. Just ask Jeff H who thinks he does or …myself. LOL

Good for you Song I’m sure you are a great defender of the outdoors as far as your personal enjoyment goes. The Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act have been repeating “watered” down by Conservatives or at least by those who vote for those Conservatives. It’s great to love nature and fresh air but if you allow certain people in Congress to do otherwise would be counterproductive to your very beliefs.

R, to paraphrase one of your like-minded bunkies who repeats himself often on this website, ‘take your meds.’ So, is your favorite drug Thorazine or Prozac? Now, pull up your mental pants, exit the website and get yourself some friends who have at least ONE foot in the real world.

eddie says: “Are you aware that the Koch brothers spent millions in trying to debunk Global Warming and payed scientists and pundits bundles of money to write articles against Climate Change.”

eddie, you’re so sly…”debunk Global Warmig”? Try to be a little more honest here, it’s called “debunking MAN MADE Global Warming”…you green tooths can be so deceptive.

Of course, thousands in the scientific community have debunked the ideas of man made global warming without any Koch money, but alas, Al, eddie, Barack and Van Jones are all of the same mold who support and are supported by a common thread…unions and in particular, the AFL-CIO/SEIU who are investing heavily into the rescue of America with a radical progressive plan green plan and their perverse version of the “American Dream.” They’re calling for “21st century energy jobs” and multibillion dollar “investments” in America’s infrastructure…wasn’t there a near trillion dollar stimulus package that was supposed to address these ideas?

And remember this, while Van Jones and his union pals talk a lofty game about protecting American workers and creating American green jobs, they march in lockstep with the open-borders lobby and promoters of another blanket illegal alien amnesty.

As for the green jobs racket, gobs of Obama money has already been spent on them — and unemployment has continued to hover near double digits. Obam’a and Van Jones’ pipe dream jobs would be better dubbed “brown jobs” to reflect the color of the sewer down which untold millions have been flushed in the name of environmental stimulus salvation. There’s also a distinctly blue tint to these supposedly eco-friendly green jobs. Blue, that is, for partisan Democratic agendas and allies. Federal green jobs funds have subsidized, among others, the SEIU’s nationalized health care activists in Maryland, the UAW Labor Employment and Training Corporation, the Blue Green Alliance (a union conglomerate), the 1199 SEIU Family of Funds and a United Steelworkers front group, the Institute for Career Development.

This is the same old call for continued wealth redistribution from taxpayers to Democratic special interests from a failed prophet of green jobs boondogglery. Sound familiar? Van Jones may have left Washington, but his spirit, alas, is alive and well in his mentor’s nightmare policies.
http://www.gopusa.com/

eddie . . . nobody held you down an forced you to smoke!!! It was a LEGAL Substance then as it is TODAY!!!
But . . . loons like fat Al . . . want you to all pay “Penance” to his Carbon Exchange Enterprise . . . no choice here!!! And to think this krazy ass came within a few votes of being President.
If you ever find the “Missing” Science to prove Gorebull Warming . . . . please post . . . have been asking for over 10 years!!!

Gotta hand it to eddie. He’s ALWAYS wrong. I didn’t know that was statistically possible.

Hey Eddie, read it and weep. The numbers don’t lie
“The Petition Project”
http://www.petitionproject.org/

Earth to Roy . . . the air is much cleaner TODAY . . . than it was 50 years ago . . . go back to clutching your curly mercury-filled light bulbs!!!

Especially from the mandated new florescent lamps, that if broken mean a multi-thousand dollar cleanup from the Hazmat people.

The deaths and illnesses in less developed countries from broken and disposed of circular florescents is mounting fast, but supressed by the major news services!

430,000 born and unborn? And how many “unborn” die from abortion, one of el gordo gore’s favorite things to promote? Here are your number: WORLDWIDE

Number of abortions per year: Approximately 42 Million
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 115,000

Where abortions occur:
83% of all abortions are obtained in developing countries and 17% occur in developed countries.

© Copyright 1996-2008, The Alan Guttmacher Institute. (www.agi-usa.org)

UNITED STATES

Number of abortions per year: 1.37 Million (1996)
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 3,700

Who’s having abortions (age)?
52% of women obtaining abortions in the U.S. are younger than 25: Women aged 20-24 obtain 32% of all abortions; Teenagers obtain 20% and girls under 15 account for 1.2%.

…so if you’re going to tout something dangerous to the born & unborn, start there. And there’s a reason for burning (misnamed) “fossil” fuels. Have a nice day, Mr. Delusional.

Did you notice this last winter where it was cold, no Gore Where it was hot, Gore! coincidence? I wonder.

Yeah we had a snowstorm in New Orleans 2009.

Christin – You got that right.

Isn’t it amazing that there are actually people who still listen to him?

Talk about hypocrits. These goons are always lecturing us to sacrifice and downsize, while they just get fatter.

That sounds just like Obama and the Democrat Congress today.

Hey, Dan az!

What I want to know is what possessed Al to buy that mansion in Malibu if CA is going in the drink soon.

This guy is a joke. For all the railing of the Left, I shudder to think what would have happened if he became pres. They sure can pick ‘em, can’t they?

He always reminded me of Baby Huey.

Baby Huey… My brother said the same thing about Gore over the weekend…that’s funny, true but funny!

Hey 45,

It seems that Al will have to share some of his new found wealth with Mr. Strong the guy who started this whole thing, you all know the guy who lives in China now after his UN problems, oh what was that problem again, oh yea, taking moneys that weren’t his.

But as you noted old Al’s getting ready, I hear he is looking into a nice little farm with a small 38,000 sqft main house and a 8500 sqft guest house, this place is also complete with servant quarters a well appointed 300 sqft room for 30 Illegals to live in.

But I don’t want anyone to miss one of his great speaches about Global warming, so get your tickets now for just $200.00 per ticket! And the best part is he will fly in on his jet to save our planet! Thank Al for being Al.

Global Warming, Climate Change, what ever you call it, it has got to be the greatest Ponzi scheme/scam ever perpetrated not only on the American public, but the whole world. Albert Gore Jr is one of the biggest frauds ever tured loose by the Liberal Lying Media.

USAF – True, but he’s really just another mouthpiece for the NWO elite. Kind of like Odumbo. They think people love them, so they prop them up in front of a prompter and watch the simpletons swoon.

Al learned well from his daddy about how to launder money from his supporters. Armand Hammer of Occidental Petroleum would convince the old man to have a cattle sale at Gore Farms, where wealthy contributers would pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a thousand dollar cow. That way, it was all legal income.

I knew this Dofus was trouble when I first met him, but I didn’t know he would rise to such level of stupidity. When I encountered him in Nashville, many years ago it was on the night of his fathers defeat. That was the night Bill Brock beat Albert Gore for the Senate seat in Tn. Albert Gore Jr showed up in the wrong place and he was 3 sheets in the wind and reeked of pot smoke. I never realized that this primadonna would one day cost me money due to his ignorance. He has never had an original thought in his life, he got into politics because he wasn’t qualified to do anything else. He failed law school, theology school, journalism school. What was left but to follow his daddy’s coattails and go into politics since the only thing he could do was talk. Why do you think Slick Willy chose him as his running mate, because he was so intelligent? No, all Slick Willy wanted was an ignorant “Yes” man who wouldn’t challenge him on anything he did, and that’s what he got. Albert Gore Jr (he’s not Al Gore, that was his daddy)cries when he doesn’t get his way. A good example is his tirade in Vail Colorado. I can just hear his irritating voice echoing down the Rockies as he screams B U L L S * * *!!!!!

When I used to call on customers in Carthage, I could not find too many people who had any kind of deep admiration for the Gore family. I was also told by a former Democrat Governor of TN that you could not trust Jr. or believe anything he said, and that was over 25 years ago.

I LOVE your comment.
You spoke the truth about this looser who ironically became the vp of this country. I remember his debates with Ross Perot, I felt punching his stupid face, what an arrogant ignorant.
Everything what Ross Perot warned us then, became reality these days.
No wonder this country went down with presidents and vp’s we had in the last 20 years or so.

What a clown.

Hey folks, remember Bill Cosby’s friend Fat Albert. Well, he’s back but he’s not as funny, even kinda scarey knowing someone like that is loose in our country.

Poor Al, he now is in love!

Yeah, with himself.