TROLL ALERT!!!! Go back to the huffNpuff TROLL ALERT!!!!

Stop spewing bs!

I’m neither a liberal nor conservative; I’m an independent and not beholden to anyone.

I don’t condone Clinton for the deregulation at all; in fact he’s the democrat who really let that Wall Street fox, Robert Rubin, to undo that important financial law. This is an example that certain democrats adopting the destructive GOP policies.

look….Obama will be judged on the next election! You sounded as though wholeheartedly supported Obama, shame on you! If anything he’s been following the last Bush Jr.’s policies. The point is what have stated is correct pertaining to the republicans who sponsored this bill. You seem a little light in the head; read my statement one or more times, it might just enlighten you.

Since most of you live and breath Fox News and been convinced to see the current administration in the most unflattering light while Fox News owner and Chief Cook and Bottle Washer is currently facing charges of the most unflattering of crimes, almost Goolish in nature, the exploitation of 9-11 victims, violation of privacy,traffic in extorted information. Your opinions, I happy to say are your own. After some 10 years of trafficking in misinformation, gains of truth in bucket of manure. I feel you are about to miss a few meals.

I don’t watch Fox news, and I don’t just believe what people said automatically. Obama had great opportunities to do the right things from the get-go, if he just followed his campaign promises. There should have been investigations on the Bush Jr. Admin(War Crimanality and many others) and Wall Street/Finacial sector, but he did nothing of the sort; plus he truly continued many of the Bush Jr’s policies(continuing wars and bailing out and covering up of the criminal Wall Street banksters and their associates). This is certainly my opinion based on the facts/reasons mentioned. Actually, I thought Obama would bring really change and clean things up after all those clueless, sordid, and criminal 8 years of Bush Jr and his gang — But it did not turn out to be! And now I tend to think Obama is a weak knuclehead!

Run your self if you don’t like the other guy. GOOOH is the way for us to organize and take the house back. That would be most of the politicians replaced in one visit to the voting booth. Get real People in the offices all at once and the B.S. in this country will stop.

That’s because you don’t have it right either. The biggest expenditure the feds make is in wages for 2.1 million fed “workers”. You don’t seem to mention, or probably ever considered, that the alphabet soup agencies need to GO. You sound like a young child that wants to throw grandma under the bus, even after she paid MORE in to SS than she will EVER receive. One thing you do have right, though, is that military spending is too much. We need to shut down ALL foreign bases, stop ALL wars & bring our troops home to guard our borders. And if you were 1/2 as smart as you think you are you would start doing a bit of research about ‘real’ gov’t. spending, instead of repeating what your handlers are whispering in your ear.

That is a fact. Beside salaries, there is also the dollar figure of each federal department to add in as well. I suppose he doesn’t look up publicly disclosed actual numbers on the internet. Let’s add to that figure federal pension and insurance costs. While were doing this, you might like to look at these same figures for your own state and local governments as well. Perhaps we could look at the numbers of what the multitude a government empsed regulations have been put upon individuals and businesses, including small and large corporations, and we might have a better idea of where to cut, reduce, cap or completely eliminate waste. Social security was paid for by the individuals who put it in with no choice in the matter. Not paying it would be embezzlement. Reducing excess and unnecessary waste is our responsibility. All of us are going to have to get more involved in the local level. And PLEASE check your assemblyman’s voting record before you vote! And as a side note, the MSM does NOT cover all the news; sometimes they keep running “distractions” to keep you from finding out on your own what the heck is going on! Look at the Casey Anthony trial! They are all guilty of this! Frightened horrified people feels helpless and are easier to control, i.e., the throwing grandma in a wheelchair of a cliff by the demos! There’s money for Social Security and Disability payments for months to come if the governments defaults. If you haven’t figured it out yet, they lie. The tea Party Movement was essential started by Ron Paul. He has the most consistent voting record in congress. Google it! My prediction is that more democrats, independents, and Republicans will continue to support the Tea Party. More big businesses are getting involved as well because we all see a threat to the Constitution and our American way of life. Look for yourself and see how many democrats are opposed to raising the debt ceiling. Even they see the writing on the wall and know they run the risk of not being re-elected. You will see more democrats and republicans register as Independents. Tell your friends to re-register too! Blow all their minds guessing what ideology you adhere to. Then hold both parties representatives to the fire! That way, you can have your God given rights, plus those guaranteed to you by the Declaration of Independance, the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution of the United
States of America. This will work because if you live in area that for generations has been controlled by non-constutional Democrats or Republicans who have stayed in power for too long by back room deals and doing big business favors for lobyists, you can really complain, tell others and expose them because they won’t know what “Party” you vote for or are registered to! Support local grass root efforts to expose them! Same for any local, state or federal corruption. Look at the pressure the Tea Party new house members have put on politics as usual in just 7 months! The old guard in the GOP are scared to death. Business as usual is over and both Republicans and Democrats KNOW this. That is why Obama and his administration are doing unconstitutional and illegal things; they’re scared. That is why old guard Republicans are having to modify and comply with the new members of Tea Party supported House and Senate members. Even Sarah Palin supported a Democratic candidate and so did Tea Party support groups. Hold both parties’ feet to the fire. Check their voting record. Register as an Independent until you run for an office. Work inside both parties until WE represent the People! Of course, both parties will become very different from what they are today, but would that be a positive or a negative for this great country?!

Al it will all stop when people’s back bone is meeting their belly button and they can no longer watch their sports & porno for lack of money to buy them.

Right dog, couldn’t have said it better. or when there’s no food.

Hey! What about us retired folks living (?) on social insecurity? We paid our taxes all our lives and now that we are eking out a living on social insecurity we don’t make enough to pay taxes. Are we to be banned from voting now?

We could grandfather in the old farts (of which I am one).

If you are getting social insecurity, I’m betting you were probably gainfully employed, yes? You would be at the front of the line to vote. (I say “probably” because Dimmer-craps want to give social security to illegals who never paid into the system.)

Isn’t the concept of patronage just great. The dems have taken it to such extraordinary levels.

Social security was optional at its inception. What happened between then and now? So I look at this bill with disgust. Anyone with half a brain would realize two things. One, it is already possible to give your money to government so this is unnecessary. Two, anything voluntary now can be made mandatory in the near future.

This is how the income tax withholding got started back in the thirties or forties when FDR was prez. That was only supposed to be temporary to help finance WWII. Well, we all know what “temporary” means to the feds.

If this new nonsense is really “voluntary” (and I have my doubts), why not just do something simple that makes common sense, like put a website up and Fedzilla can ask for donations from dummies who are stupid enough to donate.

What I can’t understand is how to pay a “debt” off with phantom fiat currency that has little to no value. Wasn’t there an article by Bob Livingston on this site a few months ago that talked about phantom debt that can never be repaid with fiat currency?

Well said. How’s the Berkey? We just odered a potable water storage tank(just in case) should have it next week.

Jibbs – The Berkey is great! So glad I got it.

What else are you ordering, and where can I get one?

DanB and Mr. Black, there is nothting more permanent and everlasting than a ‘temporary gov’t program’….enjoy.

Well Regulated in CA
JC

Beberoni READ the dammed IRS manual It says it is volentary as well IS IT?

Ya, you can volunteer to pay taxes or volunteer to go to jail. Those are your only options. I watched a video With Reed telling the reporter that they are voluntary. I guess that was how voluntary the draft was during Vietnam.

“To conquer, first divide!”

It is really sad that the TRUTH needs to be repeated again and again.

Filing a w-4 with your employer is VOLUNTARY and always has been and
continues to BE. ( continued ignorance by employers and employees is
no excuse. )

26 USC 3402 is the statute regarding with holding, and it is long,
intimidating and essentially total B.S., since what is REQUIRED
by LAW, is contained in the “implimenting regulation”.

That is 26 CFR 31.3402 (p) which is titled Voluntary Withholding Agreements and begins: An employer and employee may enter into an agreement to withhold.

Mandatory language would use the word “shall”, although even THIS is
subject to question because of a Supreme Court Decision which I will
paraphrase……when the word shall is used and the implications are
that a question of constitutionality exists: shall means MAY! I kid you not. ( ignorance of

the LAW is no excuse and can be PAINFUL for those who fail to act.) I personally find it completely amazing that
for all the pundits, tea partier’s and pretender’s to “constitutional
understanding” including the Rand boys….haven’t mentioned this.

This regulation can be found at the Cornell Law Library website by going to 26 USC 3402 and clicking on the reg link on the left. It is
four paragraphs long ( half page ).

Print it out, compose a letter to your employer “cancelling” your
Voluntary With Holding Agreement ( covered in the reg’s last paragraph) and submit it to your employer.

In this same letter, explain to your employer that in order for them to act in a manner required by the LAW, they will need to contact the
SSA directly, which is located at the Philadelphia Branch of the IRS,
where they will receive proper instructions on how to proceed and that
they may continue to with hold, until they receive an answer, although the effective date of the cancellation is still in force.
These instructions will come in writing…….directly from the SSA.

All monies withheld from the effective date of cancellation will be
returned to you, and no futher deductions will be taken from your pay
unless you are part of a pension or health plan.

Any W-2 you receive will only include your wages covered by the agreement….and in any

subsequent years, you will not receive a W-2 earnings statement, nor will you receive any tax forms from any
government entity….because the taxing entities, IRS, State/local
no longer have “jurisdiction” over you.

BTW SS benefits are based on your 40 highest quarters and if you have already met this criteria, you will be able to file for benefits at
the age appropriate time.

Applied knowledge is POWER. Act or don’t, continue to suffer or fight back……..all the self indulgent whining here can not compare with actually winning. Good luck.

“Do not ask for whom the bell tolls………”

You do realize that a large part of what these crooks take out of your pay and my paycheck everyweek pays for Social Security, Medicare, Defense, military paychecks, Homeland Security, Education, Veterans Benefits and Pensions, Transportation Infrastructure, Crime Prevention, the War on Drugs, police and fire, etc., etc. Not all of this is bad and much of it is very necessary. I am glad my government spends money in these areas.

…….Your all di**s………….

Sell the stupid fu**ing country to the Chinese who are much more deserving of it, and let THEM come in and govern us and make us all their slaves………..that’s the only solution………..

And they shouldn’t be involved in about 70% of these endeavors. Just national defense and infastructure. Everything else should be left for the private sector! They can’t do anything efficiently, and just gives them more money to steal

mark says:
July 14, 2011 at 9:45 am
You do realize that a large part of what these crooks take out of your pay and my paycheck everyweek pays for Social Security, Medicare, Defense, military paychecks, Homeland Security, Education, Veterans Benefits and Pensions, Transportation Infrastructure, Crime Prevention, the War on Drugs, police and fire, etc., etc. Not all of this is bad and much of it is very necessary. I am glad my government spends money in these areas
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Mark,
I see what education has done for you.
I don’t need them to provide SS, Homeland security, war on drugs, crime prevention, police.
Most Americans could invest their own money far better for the laters years on their own. For what the police do, most communitys would fare much better on their own. Homeland security just plain sucks as doe’s the TSA. As for the war on drugs, what a fuc*ing joke!

You can be president of the SHEEPLE club.

All of those things, Mark, could have been done better in the private sector. And most of them are Unconstitutional for the Federal Government in the first place.

I agree the “poor” should work and pay taxes BUT even the educated ones can not find jobs! Unemployment rates are WHAT? Let’s over-tax the companies who send the workers jobs overseas until they bring the jobs back to the USA! I’m sure national debt reduction could be fully funded taxing the companies who have left our country jobless!

The free loaders can clean the trash from the highways, parks, ponds, rivers, streams, help work at county animal shelters, and much much more…………..WAKE UP!!

What? Tax our companies ever more? And then wonder why they leave the US? Companies don’t pay taxes, people do. Let’s just be honest about it and tax each adult the same. If everybody has equal skin in the game, you can bet that the citizens would vote for a lot less Government. Which is exactly why the Leaders and other Big Government lovers would fight such a thing with every ounce of energy they have.
In fact the original Constitution specified that the Federal Government would be supported by each state paying taxes based on the population of each state. So, if for example, State A had half the population of State B, State A would pay half the taxes to the Federal Government that State B would:
From The Constitution, Article I, Section 2:
“Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.”
Those limits were thwarted and altered by the persistent Hamiltonians over the following decades which alterations eventually led to the Civil War. And then in 1913 the Sixteenth Amendment took all pretenses of equal taxes away and created the Income Tax to the citizens’ detriment and the Federal Government’s benefit.
Our Founders were well-grounded in experience and knowledge, but as the generations went on, as Jefferson predicted, Government gained ground and Freedom yielded.

Could not agree more. Sadly I see a lot of these parasites in action daily – sometimes three generations in the same household.

The top 1% of earners today have 4 times the real net wealth when adjusted for inflation than they had in 1980 ($11 trillion in 1980 vs. $41 trillion in 2010). The top 1% of earners made 9% of the national income in 1980, today they make 24% or the national income. Meanwhile the bottom 80% of earners have either just about broken even or made tiny gains in net income and wealth over the last thirty years. THE RICH DO NOT PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. They pay a large percentage of the federal income tax in relation to their numbers but shelter and hide vast amounts of their income and wealth through loopholes, off shore accounts, and tax lawyer dodges. They stop paying taxes on Social Security and Medicare on any income above $106,000. Warren Buffet with an income of billions pays the same Social Security tax as a man who makes $106,000 a year. And most important of all, the rich avoid the HIGHEST TAX IN AMERICA, the one paid by the poor, the working class, and the lower-middle class of our nation everyday when they send their sons or daughters to die for their country in Iraq and Afghanistan. The rich send theirs to Stanford, Duke, and the Ivy League universities – and then reap profits off the war through their defense stocks and contracts. The rich reserve the privilege of dying for their country, the REAL DEATH TAX, to the poor, the working class, and the lower-middle class, the lower 40% of earners. You will NEVER find a single millionaire’s son or daughter wearing the uniform of the United States and serving in harm’s way. But go to the grass quadrangles of Yale, Harvard, Brown, and Princeton and you will find thousands of these young people with $00,000 a month credit card accounts. THEY OWN AMERICA NOT US! AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO FOR CENTURIES SINCE THEY HAVE JUST ABOUT EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTRY BAMBOOZLED, HOODWINKED, AND SUCKERED! They even have trailer park, and blue collar citizens of our nation waving signs and protesting any raising of taxes on the rich! Can you imagine a sweeter deal? They can even get the poor dopes who work everyday in coal mines and factories to protest in favor of the rich’s massive and ever growing wealth. You could almost laugh it wasn’t so perverse and cynical.

Are you paid to be a troll here???? If you want to tax the rich, start with Congress. There hasn’t been one of them that went to DC poor & didn’t get to be millionaires +. A far better thing to do is to refuse to pay Congress & have them “work” for free.

Incidentally, if you’re not a troll, stop spewing such nonsense. The rich will always be rich, unless they become stupid. The also have their own personal Congressman bought & paid for so they don’t have to pay as many taxes. Grow up, & see how it REALLY is.

Sounds like your pissed off that you don’t make very much money, You should have stayed in school and educated yourself to get a better job, or start your own company. Those who pay no tax should help out and start paying something.

Right on, mark!!!! You said it perfectly. The nay-sayers in these other replies to you haven’t got a clue that you are exactly RIGHT!!!

If Mark had a clue he could possibly open up his mind to reality which is, there’s just no getting around crony capitalism with this bunch.

Its the federal govts debt not yours and mine. They can quit writing checks when their account is empty just like I have too. Our representatives do not represent us, if they did there wouldn’t be rules on the books we didn’t want, debts we didn’t agree on,etc. Its time to clear house while we still have one. Look up G.O.O.O.H. Get Out Of Our House. There is a plan to organize We The People and take the House of Representatives back for the People and straighten the whole mess out this coming election, legally! If you have enough heart to help save this country you should participate.

Gary –

The federal institutions govern and create debt through the consent of the people. Unfortunately we have consented and have not revoked that power.

It’s a problem with democracy — when majorities oppress minorities (especially large minorities like 49%).

I take your point, though. Whenever I pledge allegiance these days, I am not sure to what and to whom I make a pledge.

We the people ended when this became a Democracy and stopped being a Republic. We have Mobocracy where our country is ruled by lynch mob mentality.

“Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on dinner, a Republic is a well armed sheep contesting the vote.”

District of corruption, Very well put!!!!

Or as my dad used to say “the district of criminals”.

I agree let them do a lot of cleaning up their own mess and maybe they will quit making so much. Besides they are salary positions, so let them work like the salary People out here get worked and they won’t have any fight left in them.

Are they totally insane? Voluntarily pay more taxes so thery can send the money to MUSLIM countries, you know the ones like Libya that take our money in their left hand while burning our flag in the right and shouting death to the USA? OF COURSE that is where the “extra” money would go – or to finance Moochelle’s next vacation. Not one penny would go towards reducing the debt!

Not a penny of your taxes go to paying down the debt the federal gov owes now>Why would we think it would CHANGE. The Federal Gov never pays on the principle just on the interest. They have no plan to pay down the debt. I say since its their debt let it take them down, they need replaced anyhow! If you agree Look at G.O.O.O.H. Get out of our house is a group of people sick and tired of the way things are going now and are trying to vote out all the house of representatives this 2012 vote and get some control back to We the People and show big business all of us can’t be bought.

Since we no longer have Social Security – all past and present Politicians will have to forgo collecting their pensions. Let them exist on all of the corrupt graft that they accumulated during their vacations and partying while they were in office. Then have the FBI and or CIA arrest them for Tax Evasion. Then put them on work farms or ranches where they will have to more than feel like they are contributing something back to society.

I am sure the money would go to reduce the debt. The problem is when it started going down those in Washington would say look the debt is decreasing so we can borrow even more money for new programs.

Sorry Gary, but I looked at GOOOH and even joined, but I see them as having almost zero traction.

put obozo in jail till he pays the debt he is responsible for, I did not vote for that!

Why not have them work? Osamabama says we need to improve our infrastructure. There are roads, highways, bridges, etc everywhere. How about picking up trash on highways, streams, around public buildings and the like? Guess that would be cruel.

Texas P, I agree with you. I have to work hard for my pay why shouldn’t they? We can take it one step further, allow the prisons to raise their own food. It would give the innmates physical activities and lower the cost of their keep. But yeah, we are not into making those people on the teat do anything to help themselves or their country.

Years ago, Tucker Prison Farm in Arkansas was the only prison in the U.S. to operate at a profit. That is what we need today, instead of the criminal training facilities the liberals love so dearly.

Patriot,
They call that Slave Labor if we compel them to work for their Free money. The real Slaves of course are those whose taxes are being taken to pay for the welfare programs.

You got the idea, Dave. The golvernment spends our money! The strings are used to tie us up and give criminals free time to do their crimes!

And just like all those on the public dole, the government makes it easy for them to make a living off of what they take from us that work. And in the same way, there are many that get out of prison, and go right back in, and they will tell you that in the joint they get 3 square meals a day, air conditioning, a bed, and cable TV, and they dont get that on the outside. So why does the system allow for this? After all, ISNT IT PRISON? My oh my have we ever gotten off track.

One reasonable and effective way to stop all this nonsense, and to stop this class war fare, is to revamp the whole system and implement a flat 10% tax rate for all. “we the people” should stress and press for this now the country is in complete chaos and turmoil. Now is the time. The US Treasury will see more revenue coming into their direction as they have never seen before!

karen,
We’re WAY beyond the age of reason & reasonable solutions. Why would they engage in something that would be of benefit to most of US when they can just STEAL what they want. Stealing our money serves 2 purposes : they get the money anyway & they’ve done it illegally, which gives them a little thrill in their walnut-sized hearts.

I think it is all about control…Until they have all of us completely dependent on them, they won’t have completel control. Their agenda is to bankrupt us on purpose so they can throw out the Constitution and welcome in our global community. I just “love” the fact that while my husband and I agonize over how we will pay our taxes this October (we are small business owners), these guys lie awake trying to figure out how to get us to “voluntarily” give them more even faster. I’ve never checked for myself, but I’ve been told before that social security is actually a “voluntary” program…and the income tax was to fund the war and would never exceed 3% of your income. I say, if they even hint at taking more money…voluntary or not…whoever supports such legislation FOR WHATEVER STUPID REASON they give…should be voted out and replaced with a citizen-statesman.

ValDM,

ou are Right on!

I think those who ever spent the (14 trillion plus $$$) money should have to pay it off… Porkgressive Congress and the Communist in Chief …(past and present).

So let me get this straight.If I had ten employees and they wanted to donate to the poor gubmnt one dollar each.I would have to hire some one to do the accounting for this one dollar each.which would most likely cost me 10 to fifteen dollars each for just so the people would feel that they are doing there part.So how is this helping me to keep my doors open?Call me stupid but some one needs to explain the logic to me,because I never did understand obomics 101.Now sense this is not tax deductible for the employee is it for me as cost of doing useless business?Maybe it’s just me but I think I just got reamed with out the kiss and the vaseline.I guess this is why they get the big bucks!!!!

No new or old taxes, no taxation without representation, they don’t represent us (we the people) Take their (our) money away from them!

I WOULD SAY THAT THE 10% TAX WOULD WORK IF EVERYONE DID IT STARTING AT THE TOP –PRESIDENT—VICE PRES, ALL THEIR STAFF, AND DOWN THE LINE THEN SENATORS, REPS, AND ALL THE REST OF THE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES SEE WHICH ONES WOULD CRY FIRST. I WOULD SAY OBUMMER WOULD CRY FIRST HE WOULD NOT DO IT BUT WANTS EVERYONE ELSE TO

Karel Eejels, I am with you on a 10% tax. That would solve all our problems without any hassle.

HOW MUCH DID OBAMA AND HIS COHORTS SEND IN TO HELP PAY DOWN THE DEBT?lets start with taking all the politicians hard stolen cash .

How about starting with BHO’s Nobel “Peace” prize. Then downsize the salaries the keep voting to raise without their employers permission. They are the only people I know of who can get a raise without asking for or deserving it. Wouldn’t it be nice if regular folks could go to their boss and say, I just gave myself a 10% raise and now you have to pay it.

that truely seems to be the only group in the country that is not asked to contribute. them and the folks here illeagaly

I have a brilliant idea. Why not make payroll deductions to pay down the federal debt, MANDATORY for Democrats and welfare recipients and voluntary for the rest of us? Also, REQUIRE that all federal employees (including Congress but excluding military personnel) give up 50% of their incomes and perks to the pay down the federal debt.

they would only give themselves another pay raise

Let us (we the people) vote for their pay rate and retirement every six months!

Handyman,

Let those (Congress and Presidents past and present) who spent the money, pay off the debt…

The congress, from this day forward, should only work part-time (maybe 4 – 6 months) a year and go back to their state to do their occupation the rest of the year…

All the Congress does is pass more (bills)LAWS & REGULATIONS and spend more CASH when they are in session… SEND THEM HOME !
We’d be a better off nation.

Oldtimeman, Let’s be honest and fair. The debt originated in the Bush administration and the Republicans should pay their fair share,too. When Clinton left office there was a surplus. It took no time at all for Bush to use that, plus trillions more. Due to the two wars Bush got us into, plus the economic crisis he’s more than responsible for due to lack of regulations and tax cuts and loop holes for the wealthy, President Obama has had to spend trillions to keep this Country from going under. The memory of the Republicans is very short.

Beberoni

Very good idea !

That’s the way it used to be anyway. They were part time legislators and full time workers. They didn’t have 2 permanent homes, one is DC, and one in their home state. And they didn’t have salaries like they do now either, nor were they full time polititians, it was a sideline.

that sounds like a plan

You are right on. One more thing. If congress really wants to help cut down the national debt, I have a suggestion to them and to the Prez.

Let Obama, Biden, the Senate and House all work for FREE for the next two years, donating their entire salaries to the Social Security fund.

Perhaps we should also suspend Washington’s pay raises, and instead send those would be raises to pay down the debt, and also re-pay the Social Security funds they have stolen through the years. Wow, what a concept.

Beberoni, Most of these people are indigent and need every dollar they get to live on. They couldn’t pay one dollar. I, personally, know many such people.

Vagabond –

That’s how the overthrow of the constitution was accomplished. Millions of citizens were so distracted by the various Santa Clauses’ offers of free gifts that they abandoned principles (if they ever had principles in the first place). That is sometimes referred to as “situational ethics”.

You awoke at age 74. There are plenty of people on welfare and hard working Americans that are still asleep.

It will take some serious cunning and courage to restore the constitution. The professional political class is entrenched and the population has been conditioned by the government school systems.

In 1992 Perot tried to wake people up, but the media laughed at his charts and graphs. The previous leader famously said “No new taxes” and broke his promise. Our country went on to elect a fellow nicknamed “Slick Willie” who likewise famously said “I smoked marijuana but I never inhaled” (I don’t understand what that means!). How can people expect results other than those we are now confronted with?

Brace yourself for the next 10 years. In absence of the establishment of a police state (an American “Stssi”), I am not expecting much “domestic tranquility”.

Sol,

One hell of a damm good post dude!

I agree !

Sol,
You will understand what Willie meant when you learn what the meaning of is is.
The fact that so many people absolve lying Presidents is a pretty good indication of just how far down the tubes we have gone. There should be no toleration of lying by Politicians. If they tell one blatant lie, they should be gone next election.
I don’t know many other than Ron Paul who would survive those criteria. Ron is one of the few who won’t bend his morality to suit his purposes.

DaveH, been dying to ask you what you think of the murdoch scandal? Lying, cheating, bribing, hacking, all done by that demi God you all love and believe in. Maybe we will be lucky and Fox news will take a dump. Is this the type of corporation that you want no regulations on? Hell, look what they have done, with regulations that prevent this type of crime. Yep, let’s deregulate everything and we will have more Murdoch criminals running the country.LOL. You had to have known that this man has no ethics didn’t you?

EWO, I haven’t found any of them that are scandalous free, point one out won’t you?!!!__I’m laughing my azz off too, and to borrow your words, like your “demiGod” Soros is any Better than Murdoch. At least Murdoch presents the right side instead of ALL left headed points of view. __ Ats pretty funny! You liberals can’t seem to see the Forrest for the trees, nothing your God in the White House has done so far has done any good( Now you liberal azzes are gonna try and take fat kids away fron they’re parents??? ROFLMAO!!!__ASSININE IDIOTS!____You sheep don’t get!!!!LOL, Reply if ya like, but ya won’t get an answer, I’m off to cut grass _ The lines in the sand are drawn, your on the wrong side chickie!!!!!LOL

First of all, Eyes, I don’t know what scandal you speak of. Maybe you could post a reference.
Second of all, Freedom doesn’t guarantee honesty. I don’t know that any of us have ever said that. There will always be dishonest people, but let’s strive to not having them run our lives.

I do know that Murdoch has partaken of Government protection and largesse in the past, but rather than delve into who is getting what special favors from the Government, let’s just get the Government out of the Marketplace and let the consumers decide who survives and who fails.

Ha, right now this bill is supposed to be voluntary but it will very quickly become mandatory if it is not stopped right now.

If our brilliant President Obama and our brilliant Congressmen can’t figure out how to balance the budget then they need to get out of the way. There are a lot of us out here who can figure it out and we are just itching to help them!

Angel, I don’t care for Soros. I think all money should be taken out of elections. States should fund all elections, thus avoiding the lobbyists ability to purchase the officials. Easy solve for a corrupt practice. Stop the money and take back the country!

You are exactly right. Our Freedom and lives depend on getting rid of this nutcase and all of his cronies!! I just hope we do not have some jerk running on a 3rd parth and splitting the vote and BHO wins again. It would be a disaster for this country!!!

The 2 parties you are speaking of are only 1 now. The 3rd party will split the vote because they will be the only decent persons to vote for. If either party wanted things straightened out one of them would be doing it, but things just keep getting worse and they are blaming each other, and the ignorant people are sticking with the 2 party systems. If 1 or both parties say they want to fix the national debt how come we still have it? The current puppet is going to stay in power because a lot of voters will not vote for the right person for the job they will vote for the party they have always voted for just so the other party won’t win. If we vote for a party lets pick a party that isn;t bought and paid for like the 2 largest are!

Leo,
You are the “jerk” if you think the Republicans are the answer to this country’s problems. The Republicans are responsible for the endless futile Drug Wars which have accomplished nothing but the taking of more lives, the enrichment of the evil Drug Lords, and the trampling of our Constitutional Freedoms. Add to that the futile attempts to impose our way of life on the rest of the world at great moral and financial costs. And since their inception they have been practicing the same Mercantilism that prompted our Founders to break away from British Rule.
Neither the Democrat leaders, nor the Republican leaders abide by the moral codes of society — Thou shalt not Kill, Thou shalt not Steal.
I know the followers mean well, but the reality is that they are aiding and abetting that immorality with their votes. We have gotten to this point in time because so many people have let sociopathic leaders lead us around by the nose.
It’s time to break the mold. Vote Libertarian!
http://libertarianparty.org/platform

Both the Republican leaders and the Democrat leaders are taking advantage of the citizens to the betterment of themselves and their Crony Capitalists. The significant difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is that the Republican leaders are smart enough to only take the golden eggs instead of killing the goose.

DaveH……..The Libertarian party will never amount to a thing until they build a grassroots base. Until they can and do provide viable candidates for most if not all local, county, and especially state offices they will only be a low decibil noise in a high decibil world. I am not saying they don’t have some good ideas just pointing out the realities of todays politics.

The base is building, Thinker. We can’t degauss all those propagandized minds overnight. But as long as so many people, who are otherwise inclined to Libertarianism, withhold their votes because they don’t think they’re “viable”, how do you expect the base to grow quickly?
I would much rather waste my vote on Libertarians, than to vote for the lesser of two evils (which is still just evil).
The Republican Leaders enjoy their power and perks just as much as do the Democrat Leaders, and they aren’t going to give them up willingly.
I can honestly say “Don’t blame me, I voted Libertarian”.

Indi
If you vote rep.Then why not vote for the only republican that is for the constitution.Sure RP is a libertarian thats the point.If people would only vote for the lesser of two evils which has been going on for ever then your right we will split the vote so RP changed clothes and Ran the rep.ticket but still Know one is listening to his polices,which is the only thing that could turn this corruption around.If everyone would just research his 30 years they would see he has never deviated from what he stands for.The numbers today show that he is so far ahead of anyone proves the tide is changing.Its all about getting his polices on the air with out the interruptions that they love to do.Hey wouldn’t it be a laugh if we could just get One HR on a debate between him and obumer with out a teleprompter.UH UH UH UH I think UH UH UHits got to be UH UH UH constitutional because UH UH I’m A UH UH UH professor of UH UH UH that!!!

Yes, but the American people received most of the benefits of all this spending and in fact insist upon it. This is one of the huge hypocrisies of the American people – not the politicians – in this debate. When poll after poll asks the American people should the government institute significant cuts in the federal budget large majorities always say YES. But when the same American people are asked do they support significant cuts in SPECIFIC PROGRAMS – Social Security, Medicare, Defense, Homeland Security, Education, Veterans Benefits and Pensions, Transportation Infrastructure, Crime Prevention, the War on Drugs, Stopping Illegal Aliens, large majorities always say NO! in poll after poll. Are American politicians hypocrites YES without doubt but they represent a hypocritical American people. As humorist Will Rogers famously said in the 1930s when he returned from a visit to Washington: “Are the majority of Congressmen and politicians in Washington scalawags, tax cheats, liars, skirt chasers, spendthrifts, adulterers, and crooks?” Rogers answered: “Yes, and they represent a good cross section of the electorate.” Under a democracy you get the politicians you deserve. Americans talk out of both sides of their mouth on the budget, and NATURALLY so do the politicians who represent them and are elected by them. We have met the enemy and he is US!

Get it straight, Mark. SOME of the American people (mostly the leaders and their Crony Capitalists) received the benefits, the rest paid for them.
As far as Social Security goes, if they would just pay me what they took from me in real dollars (i.e., adjusted for inflation) I would be quite content. Is that too much to ask, Mark?
As far as your statement that “the same American” people say anything, you know you are blowing smoke up our. You have no idea from any polls how any one person feels about all of the mentioned subjects. So to call us hypocrites is just another Liberal fabrication.
And to say the leaders are a reflection of the voters is equally nonsense, because most of the time the Leaders are not completely truthful about their intentions before being elected. How can the electorate be expected to choose morally when many (if not most) of the leaders are lying to them?

And now he’s hinting that he may stop Social Security payments if the Congress doesn’t raise the debt ceiling. And he’s pushed the EPA and the FCC to ignore the will of the people and implement rules that Congress couldn’t pass. Yes, he should definitely be impeached.

DAVEh, I am so surprised that you, who has ample fiscal knowledge, does not understand what will happen if we don’t raise the debt ceiling. By the way, this HR2411 was sponsored by the famous Republican congressman, Rick Crawford, whose own personal financial status is in disrepair. Interesting that the author didn’t identify this as a repub idea. I know you probably know all the reasons why a default is not really a good thing, but just in case this article is for you to see the top five reasons why it is not. http://www.alternet.org/story/151631/5_disastrous_consequences_of_a_debt_ceiling_meltdown?page=4

Spare me, eyes. I know exactly what will happen if they raise the debt ceiling. They will spend more money that they don’t have and further entrench our children and grandchildren in a debt that they had absolutely no voice in.
If the Creditors lose faith in us because we tear up the credit card, what do you think happens when we borrow even more against that credit card? If we can’t stop the spending now, how can we stop it later?
Fortunately, people like you are in the minority now, so I don’t really care if you open those eyes or not:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/14/debt-ceiling-poll_n_898195.html

Here’s some reality from clear thinkers:
http://mises.org/daily/5362/The-Case-against-Raising-the-Debt-Ceiling

obummer is not a legal president, meaning he cannot be impeached. He needs to be removed and hanged for treason, thus making all he has done null & void.

Git a rope !

Jibbs
I say we line them all up on the potomac bridge and let them give there last words, just before we stretch their necks and let them hang there for all who want their job to think twice about what they are there to do!