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Raising The Bar For Guilty Verdicts

July 12, 2011 by  

Raising The Bar For Guilty Verdicts

I thought Aphrodite Jones summed it up best on Hannity when she said that the jurors in the Casey Anthony trial had taken the concept of “reasonable doubt” and extended it to “shadow of a doubt.” If you look up the word “reasonable” in the dictionary, you find: “not exceeding the limit prescribed by reason; not excessive.” In this case, the jurors clearly exceeded the limit prescribed by reason.

In his closing remarks, Jose Baez turned reasonable doubt on its head and convinced the jurors they were obliged to convict only if they had no doubts. In other words, he successfully misled them as to the intent of the law.

If the bar for conviction is any doubt rather than reasonable doubt, we’re likely to see more verdicts like O.J. Simpson’s and Casey Anthony’s in the future. Based on F. Lee Bailey’s wild theory that Mark Fuhrman rolled up one of O.J.’s socks in his pant leg, I guess you could argue that it justified some doubt about O.J.’s guilt. But if the doubt is one in 10 million (which are the odds I would ascribe to Bailey’s totally unsubstantiated theory), that would exceed the limit prescribed by reason.

The fact is that O.J. was clearly guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. And, don’t kid yourself, Johnny Cochran, F. Lee Bailey and all 12 jurors knew it. So did attorney Robert Shapiro, which is why he resigned from the case.

Let me be clear that I never want to see an innocent person put in prison, let alone executed. But it’s happened in the past and it will happen again, because — sorry, liberals — life isn’t perfect. It has often been said that it’s better that 99 murderers go free if it means saving the life of one person falsely accused of murder.

Perhaps. But what about 1,000 murderers going free in exchange for saving the life of one innocent person? Or 10,000 murderers going free in exchange for saving the life of one innocent person? Where do we draw the line? Answer: where the evidence is beyond a reasonable doubt.

If you set the bar for conviction so high that defense attorneys know that it’s just a game of throwing enough legal excrement against the wall, they can always raise some doubt. But that’s not where the bar is supposed to be. The law clearly states reasonable doubt.

Set aside the chloroform; set aside the duct tape; set aside the claimed childhood sexual abuse; set aside George Anthony’s supposed affair. All these are secondary issues. The three key issues that are indisputable — and that represent evidence that makes Casey Anthony’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt — are:

First, in the history of the world, no mother, no matter how good or how bad she may have been in the past, ever went partying for 31 days after her child disappeared, never calling the police and never displaying any concern about her. To say this was just her way of dealing with emotional distress is not a reasonable conjecture.

All the DNA evidence in the world can’t stand up to common sense. Casey Anthony’s behavior was overwhelming circumstantial evidence that made her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Second, in the history of the world, no one ever sat in a prison cell for three years, claimed she didn’t know what happened to her child (in this case, after her Zanny-the-nanny tale was exposed), then, at her trial, told her attorney to tell the court that the child died as a result of a drowning accident. (I’m assuming here that Jose Baez didn’t make up this story on his own and subject himself to criminal prosecution.)

Again, you don’t need DNA here. If you blatantly lie about your child’s cause of death, it’s beyond a reasonable doubt that you killed her.

Third, in the history of the world, no mother, after finding her child drowned, ever decided not to call the police and instead wrap the child in a plastic bag and throw her in the woods. There is no reasonable explanation for even a world-class idiot turning a drowning accident into a potential death-penalty homicide. To believe someone could have done this is to go far beyond a reasonable doubt.

As a side note, if I learned anything from this case, I guess it’s that I will never again get suckered into believing that a quick jury verdict implies a conviction. How well I remember when the jury came back with a verdict in the O.J. trial after just three hours of “deliberation.”

At the time, Jeffrey Toobin, now a legal analyst for CNN, opined that such a quick verdict had to mean a conviction. He was so naïve that he didn’t realize that the jurors had decided they were going to acquit O.J. before the trial had even begun.

While I didn’t buy into Toobin’s opinion in the O.J. circus, I have to admit that in the Casey Anthony trial I did believe that the quick verdict meant a conviction. With such overwhelming evidence against her, there was no way the jury could arrive at an acquittal without many days of deliberating. This time around, I guess I proved to be just as naïve about juries as Toobin.

The reason one cannot draw any conclusion from a quick verdict is because the hype about how jurors, on the whole, are intelligent, deep-thinking people who carefully weigh the evidence is just another self-delusive example of American feel-good talk.

No doubt, some jurors are intelligent and well informed. But the politically incorrect reality is that a significant percentage of jurors are totally unqualified to make sound and honest judgments based on the law. Perhaps professional juries in high-profile cases are a possible alternative to some of the dolts who now sit on juries and insist on ignoring evidence that is beyond a reasonable doubt.

That said, the guy who should be really mad about the outcome of the Casey Anthony trial is Scott Peterson. He had much less evidence against him than she did, but, thanks to Mark Geragos’ obnoxious arrogance and puffery, Peterson ended up on death row.

In closing, I would also opine that the biggest giveaway to guilt is the one thing that Casey Anthony, O.J. Simpson and Scott Peterson all had in common: None of them showed a lick of grief or sorrow at any time.

Defense attorneys are fond of saying that no one can predict how he might act if he were under indictment for a murder he didn’t commit. Hokum, I say. Any person who’s had a loved one (or even an ex-spouse, as in the case of O.J.) murdered would be grief-stricken — and would show it. I wouldn’t say this one piece of circumstantial evidence demands a guilty verdict beyond a reasonable doubt, but I’d wager that the emotionless person on trial would be guilty in 99 percent of the cases.

Final thought: Casey Anthony should work on repressing her laughter, because what lies ahead for her is a life of overwhelming problems and unhappiness. She’ll probably make a few million dollars quickly, but her story is likely to have a tragic ending.

There’s a part of me that almost feels sorry for this emotionally disturbed young lady, but the thought of how her 2-year-old daughter’s life ended makes that an impossibly high bar to clear.

–Robert Ringer

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  • Linda

    I believe Casey caused Caylee’s death. But 1st degree is a hard sentence to prove. Was it premeditated? Was there a history of physical abuse? (Doping the child was abusive but not violent). I think Caylee died because of something Casey did to keep her quiet and out of the way. I believe her death was accidental but her mother caused it, covered it up, lied to authorites, disposed of the body impeded an investigation, lied and caused defamation of character of several persons.
    She may not have been executed, but she could have been put aay for the rest of her life. Bad on the prosecution for looking for a sentence that was impracticle and not going for the chargeable offenses

    • Craig Dale

      Linda, when a child or anyone else dies as a result of another act, it is felony murder, which is 1st degree murder under Florida law. The evidence showed that Casey chloroformed her daughter, which is child abuse. The child died as a result of it, which is felony murder. Case closed. Common sense plays such a big role in jury duty, especially in circumstantial cases. Had Casey had a jury of her peers(those from the Orlando area that were aware of the details of the case) instead of people from a distant area of the country or state with virtually no knowledge of the case, I’m sure the results would have been different. All you have to do is look at the responses of those living in Orlando to determine this. What’s done is done though and she will be judged by the Ultimate Judge for her self-centered act against her own flesh and blood. I just hope it is sooner then later.

      • Linda

        Unfortunately cause of death was never determined other than ‘other than natural’. And yes I know about the Fl laws – I grew up there. There was no HARD proof NOR testimony that Casey or anyone else chloroformed, drugged, gagged, physically harmed Caylee, no proof of drugs or trauma. Nothing. What circumstantial evidence existed other than the mother being a habitual liar and a bar crawler?
        No one will ever know what truly happened until someone with a guilty conscience comes forward (not Casey – she doesn’t have one).
        The only way that woman would admit to anything is if she goes completely off her rocker – and probably not then.

      • C130 Gunship

        Crack Dale…..Please show all of us where under Florida’s felony murder rule codified in Florida’s Revised Statutes § 782.04 where it states “when a child or anyone else dies as a result of another act, it is felony murder, which is 1st degree murder under Florida law.”

        Yawn……..you can’t

        The predicate felonies that will support a charge of first degree murder under the statute are:

        * Drug trafficking
        * Arson
        * Sexual battery
        * Robbery or home invasion robbery
        * Burglary
        * Kidnapping
        * Escape
        * Aggravated abuse of a child, elderly person, or disabled adult
        * Aircraft piracy
        * Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb
        * Carjacking
        * Aggravated stalking
        * Murder
        * Resisting an officer with violence to his or her person
        * Felonious acts of terrorism or in furtherance of an act of terrorism
        * Distribution of some controlled substances like cocaine and opium

      • apf2

        I think is obvious that the extent of your legal education is watching but not paying attention to TV. Florida law has a number of levels of crime defined for the taking of a life.

        If do something dumb, use a damaged rope to secure a couch on your pickup truck and it falls off and kills someone, for example, would make you criminally liable, but not for first degree murder.

        By your definition spilling the following scenario could also lead to the death penalty: You are at the movies watching some horror flick. You spill your soft drink on your lap and scream out. The guy in front of you keels over dead of a heart attack. Your act just caused him to die. You, by your standard, are guilty of first degree murder.

        The DA blew this case by not bringing manslaughter or child abuse/neglect charges. He could not prove 1º Murder without a cause of death so he should not have tried.

    • Void1972

      Linda
      Again, Casey is the product of a demented society, and everyday we see such tragedy.
      Boycott evil, and it will cease to thrive.

  • C130 Gunship

    Karl Denninger makes some great points on the trial and verdict:

    Casey Anthony: Referendum On Police?

    We got the verdict.

    The only convictions were on four counts of lying to the police.

    Now the armchair quarterbacking begins by the media, many of whom tried and convicted Casey all on their own. The last several hours have been nothing but news media wonks telling us that they know that this woman was guilty and the jury “got it wrong” and that the jury “didn’t get the whole story.”

    But the legal duty of the prosecutor is to present the full story in the courtroom. Not where you can run whatever sort of character assassination you wish in the media, not where you can make all sorts of claims without rebuttal, and certainly not where there are no rules of evidence or procedure all of which are part and parcel of the media and The Internet.

    I did not watch the trial. I did, however, watch the closing arguments of both sides. And this case came down to one (and only one) thing – credibility of the prosecution. Credibility that the prosecution severely damaged all on their own when the DA was smirking at his desk while the defense was making closing arguments.

    Was there something funny about what was going on in that courtroom? I think not.

    There was no physical evidence tying Casey to the death of her daughter. There was a lot of circumstantial evidence.

    But the standard of proof in a criminal case is proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Not “I think she did it”, “the evidence suggests she did it”, or “it’s more likely than not that she did it.”

    The jury must be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that she did it.

    In this case, not only was that standard not met it was instantly obvious to the jury that it was not. They had little more time than to elect a foreman and take a couple of straw ballots before the verdict came back. It must be presumed, given the speed of the verdict, that all the members of the jury went into the deliberation room convinced that the state did not make its case.

    Now let’s ask the question nobody wants to ask: How much has the credibility of the police departments of this nation, including particularly those in Florida, been damaged by the very acts of these departments?

    Let’s look at this from a perspective of public trust. Have the police and district attorney earned that trust? How many of the jurors perhaps received some sort of treatment that they considered to be unjust at the hands of law enforcement in the past? The percentage has done nothing but climb in the last couple of decades, whether it be an unjust traffic citation to knowing someone that was unlawfully (and unreasonably) harassed – whether on the side of the road or in an airport. It only takes once, either personally or among someone you know well and thus trust, to change your standard view of law enforcement from “they’re trustworthy and honest” to “they’re liars and I demand strict proof.”

    How badly have the actions of our law enforcement agencies, from Ruby Ridge to Waco to the cop running a radar or laser picket near a conveniently-placed speed limit sign to the jackbooted midnight raids and the myriad people imprisoned for years or even decades on fabricated or bogus “evidence” and then later exonerated damaged or even destroyed public trust in law enforcement?

    This is precisely the sort of thing I’ve raised many times in the Ticker over the last few years.

    Law enforcement needs the people – not the other way around.

    When that trust and faith is damaged or destroyed not only do the people stop cooperating but in addition the burden of proof goes up a lot, especially in cases where you do not get a “do over” (such as a capital murder crime.)

    The prosecution lost due to failure to make their case. But the legacy of this decision should be not on whether there was a miscarriage of justice but rather why we, the people tolerate public corruption, jackbooted “law enforcement” and police state tactics in the general sense.

    We are well past the point where we must demand that this crap stop in our society and the protections ensconced in our Constitution be protected and enforced, not used for cop toilet paper. No more TSA rapescans and sticking hands down the pants of 95 year old leukemia patients. No more banksters breaking into houses they don’t own. No more speed traps, abusive “no knock” raids when old-fashioned police work would more than suffice, “shoot any dog that moves” and other similar rank abuses of power.

    The cops can, of course, refuse to withdraw to within the boundaries of the Constitution as written and continue to argue that “safety” demands they be able to do whatever the hell they want, including shooting your dog and deaf woodcarvers.

    But the people have the right, as we saw today, to turn an increasingly-jaundiced eye toward claimed evidence presented by these police officers and other members of the prosecuting side of the table, and increase their level of skepticism that in fact what they’re being presented (and “sold”) in court is in fact actual evidence and not an invention of a prosecutorial system that is more interested in putting notches on a stick and destroying lives rather than searching for the truth.

    • Craig Dale

      John, well put my friend. When the jury foreman said on Greta last night that they all had a problem with George Anthony’s testimony regarding the gas can and the girlfriend, it left me dumbfounded. George was not the one on trial. The circumstantial evidence was plentiful; more then enough to convict her. When Casey chloroformed Caylee and she died as a result, that qualified for felony murder, which is 1st degree murder in the State of Florida. It is so good to know that there are still common sense folk in this country and the brainwashing has not affected everyone. God Bless!

      • Jonathan

        Perhaps George Anthony should be on trial. If George Anthony was molesting Casey Anthony from a young age, and Casey and her daughter were living with George and Cindy Anthony, perhaps George Anthony was molesting Caylee Anthony. Perhaps one day around the pool, things got out of control and Caylee fell in. She drowns. George decides to draw attention away from himself by dumping the body in the woods, pinning the murder on Casey. Just one way how this could have played out.

      • GNP

        Jonathan, no evidence of George molesting anybody, accusasion that’s it. So all molested children in this country are allowed to be irresponsible when they grow up to be negligent with their child, way to go.

      • CJM

        The only ‘molestation’ that Casey Anthony suffered was the multiple encounters she had with the men in her life–and it was by HER CHOICE, not forced. She doesn’t even know who fathered her child because of her prolific promiscuity; eventually, those one night stands catch up to you. Casey Anthony exhibited NO signs of having lived a life of sexual abuse in the home, period; women like Casey use this as a defense in order to make their actions appear appropriate (although murdering a two year old so you can live the good life is hard pressed as being appropriate by any stretch of the imagination) and absolve themselves from being held accountable. As to the stupid argument that Cindy never took her daughter to a gynacologist in her teen years, fact is most mothers don’t–their daughters usually see the gynocologist for the first time when they become pregnant. Nothing unusual in that scenario, but then men really know so little about women. Casey Anthony is a monster who murders children, period. She is a predator by every sense of the word and will commit another crime in the future. If you think she is so innocent, call the jail and offer her a job as the nanny for your children.

      • matt

        the problem was there was no proof of casey chloraformed caylee just an assumption

    • Donald

      Hueckler may well have gotten it wrong, but he was an alternate, he took no part in the deliberations, so we don’t know what standard the jury applied

    • 1 Son of Liberty

      I agree it should have been a Hung Jury. The Mother had custody of the child and should be held accountable. While in her care the child died…Period. It can’t get any simpler than that. The prosecutors really screwed things up by not hammering home that fact. Just goes to show you why our country is in trouble. We are a society of educated idiots today. Just look at the auto industry. The cars we make could not be designed more poorly than they are mow. Years ago we got designers without education but had built their own cars for racing, been successful and had been recruited from the race track by savvy auto execs. Now days all anyone knows is what the have been taught by some college teacher who if the were good at their job would have excelled in their field. Same goes for LEO and Prosecutors they are hired on education and not common sense. The best man used to get the job now it’s someone who went to the same college as the interviewer. We are all in trouble and this case just proves the point. I suggest learning a second or third language like Chinese.

      • GNP

        I agree with you 100%, I could not understand why the prosecutors did not mention over and over that the child was under her care at the time of the so called “accident” as the defense argued.
        But if Jesus in person was the prosecutor in this case, the jury would have found her not guilty no matter what. I would have gone through every piece of evidence again to make sure I did not forget anything, but they did not.

      • apf2

        The charge was First Degree Murder not child abandonment or abuse or manslaughter or negligence or being a horrible parent. The DA couldn’t prove the case and should be faulted for not bringing charges he could prove. She was most certainly guilty of not protecting her child, but that is not First Degree Murder.

        I am very glad that the jury was adult enough to get past the emotion and render a valid decision based on the facts in the case and not the publicity surrounding it. The mob did not rule in this case and personal liberty won.

      • CJM

        This jury may be adult in years, but certainly lack common sense AND have a penchant for FAILURE TO FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS. They never considered, by their own admission to date, that they did NOT bother to look at the lesser included charges–and that says a lot about the character of this jury. Furthermore, they stretched the instructions to include the punishment phase of the trial system, which they were NOT supposed to do. That was not their instruction, period. Now that the trial is over, this same jury says they know Casey Anthony is guilty–you cannot reconcile those statements with the verdict they gave in this case.

      • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/muslim-organization-criticizes-tea-party-speaker-choice-19901265/ chess game

        Perhaps 44 days serving as a juror for this case just promoted group thinking and let’s get along theme.

  • Craig Dale

    This article says it all. It’s called the dumbing or indoctrination of our society. It starts with the public school system, continues through the college system and is then forced down our throats the rest of our lives. The facts in the case were: 1.) Casey researched chloroform on the computer and then chloroformed her daughter based on the superhigh qualitative levels of the volatile chemical in the trunk 2 months later 2.) Placed 3 pieces of duct tape over her child’s mouth based on the location of the tape attached to the hair mat when it was pulled back up to its original location. 3.) Did not report the incident until backed into a corner by her mother 31 days later. 4.) Disposed of the childs body like it was a piece of garbage in a swampy wooded area to rot. 5.) No one makes an accident look like a murder and does not call 911 when the accident happens. What else could have been introduced when the body was hid for 6 months and all DNA was destroyed by mother time. Two thirds of the population of this country agree that this was move then enough circumstantial evidence to find this evil person guilty. All “reasonable” doubt goes out the window with this evidence.

    • Vagabond

      Craig you are the first one to make any sense of all,

    • Iris

      I agree and FURTHER that we have now raised at least two generations of young people who run from responsibility for anything. Those who have been interviewed have clearly said they could not be held responsible for the death of Casey Anthony unless they had seen her kill the child! FEAR OF RESPONSIBILITY..of any kind.

      • Jo Ann

        How many have made the statement that she was a “good mother”. If that is their definition of a “good mother”,we are doomed as a nation!I have six grown children and 14 grandchildren and never did I leave any of them at a young age to go “party”. If one had disappeared or met with an accident, I would have picked up a phone immediately, to report it and ask for help In those 31 days, she lied repeatedly, invented a ficticious nanny,sent the police on a wild goose chase,and stalled long enough to destroy any evidence that might have linked her to the death of the child.Too bad I wasn’t on that jury. We would still be there while I hopefully tried to reason with the rest.

    • sybucket

      The only problem with your litney of “facts” is that you can not “prove” that it was Anthoney that did all of this. Maybe it was her boyfriend, maybe it was the plumber, maybe it was the proscutor, the Butcher, the Baker, the candlestick maker……You THINK you know, but you can’t prove it. Luckly, we don’t convict on “Think”….

    • Karolyn

      Craig – You got a whole lotta’ assumptions there! You can’t convict on assumptions.

  • Iris

    I believe as you do that she was guilty beyond ANY reasonable doubt. Behavior gave it away. NOW, the behavior of the jury is irresponsible. We have raised at least two generations of irresponsible people. They do not marry (and take responsibility for their offspring), they pawn off their ‘mistakes’ on grandparents and they are never wrong. Believe me, these are the jurors who could not stand the very thought OF BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING SOMEONE TO DEATH regardless of her guilt. And that is what they are saying!

  • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

    I just hope that she will never again have another child.

  • Karolyn

    What I have a problem with is the lynch mobs out there sending death threats and picketing in front of the Anthony’s house. Why can’t people just accept what is and let it go? Nothing will bring Kaylee back. Casey has to live with whatever she did or did not do; and I don’t think her life will be a bed of roses.

  • http://goggle John Ouzts

    I do not think that casey will ever feel hurt in her actions. Her emotions were not present during trial not to mention her previous party flings. She has no fear and is in total control of whatever direction she chooses to take. What else does she have in store for the people that are close to her!

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/civil-liberty/raising-the-bar-for-guilty-verdicts/?eiid=&rmid=2011_07_12_PLA_P11349313&rrid=387598159 Don Graeme

    I thought reasonable doubt applied to the defense proving that there is reasonable doubt as to a person`s guilt of each charge; not the prossecution proving reasonable doubt as to a person being innocent. A person is presumed innocent until proven guilty under the law. Lets say you have reasonable doubt as to her innocence; but, her defense team throws in reasonable doubt as to her guilt. What then. If you have reasonable doubt on both sides, isn`t “PRESUMED INNOCENT’ SUPPOSED TO BE THE TRUMP CARD?

    • patrick H.T. paine

      “To conquer, first divide.”

      Well Don, that was rather a confused muddle, which poses a straw man
      and finally ends up in the right place.

      1.) presumption of innocence.
      2.) it is the prosecution’s burden to provide evidence of guilt beyond
      a reasonable doubt.

      The defense has no burden, since it is not required to present a case,
      and can effectively demonstrate “reasonable doubt”, simply by cross examination of the prosecution’s witnesses.

      There is no “reasonable doubt” standard that applies to the presumption of innocence.

      Interestingly, the system does pose some interesting contradictions,
      for while it requires a unanimous verdit to convict, it also requires a unanimous verdict to acquit. ( failure to reach a unanimous verdict,
      results in a hung jury and the prosecution (state) can retry.) Yet, it
      would seem at least to me that a hung jury means that the prosecution
      has failed to meet it’s burden, and failure to achieve a unanimous guilty verdict constitutes reasonable doubt.

      In addition to this little conundrum, jury deliberations constitute a
      second trial, with no supervision or rules and where the power of personality and other factors come into play.

      When one watches movies about juries, one of the things that always happens is they take an initial vote to see where they stand. My
      contention is the following, if that vote is anything less than
      100% guilty, on the first ballot…..then the prosecution has failed
      to meet it’s burden, and their job is done. Of course, the concept of
      JUSTICE, was never a particular priority….and it has only gotten
      worse……..juries used to represent a major check on government abuse, but now juries are sworn by oath to follow the instructions of
      the judge, regarding the law……rather than having the right to judge both fact and law. ( Georgia v. Brailsford ) and “common law and
      equity courts” are non-existant.

      “Do not ask for whom the bell tolls………”

  • Dan

    I agree that the problem is inept and insincere prosecutors and defense attorneys. You’ve got one side trying to send somebody to jail and the other side trying to get somebody off, but no one is trying to find out the truth. So we end up with superficial investigations that only uncover enough “evidence” to support a predetermined conclusion. Lawyers today are spin doctors rather than defenders of justice.

  • Carl

    I disagree completely with Mr. Ringer. I saw no clear evidence whatsoever that could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Casey was guilty of anything beyond felony stupidity and lying to investigators. There was no conclusive evidence proving that she was guilty of murder or negligence, and I think the prosecutors knew it. I’m baffled by the media attention given to this case, but I think it was because of this attention that the prosecutors staged this dog-and-pony show at a hefty expense to us taxpayers.

  • bill

    The reason Casey Anthony is found guilty in the court of public opinion is because the MSMs have pumped this pseudo righteous indignation all over the American people and all the while never mentioning the hundreds of women who kill their unborn children every day.America,I just don’t know you any more.

  • http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

    “Innocent until proven guilty” is the term and guilt was clearly not established. Opinions and interpretations are of no use to anybody as they are simply argumentative and misleading as all good lawyers know.Known as tricks of the trade.Comment Sustained?

  • Ty

    Mr. Ringer, your article is insulting, and unjustly derides our judicial system, and namely the jurors in this case. I still believe our judicial system, with all it’s faults, is the best in the world. You ridicule the jurors in this case without a shred of evidence to back up your claim “that a significant percentage of jurors are totally unqualified”. They were chosen as a jury of her piers. What other qualifications are required, under the law?

    Now, as for the trial and the verdict… By finding Casey Anthony not guilty, the jury is not saying she is innocent. They are simply saying, in their best judgement, that the prosecution did not provide enough evidence to convict her of first degree murder and possibly sentence her to death. Make no mistake, I am a proponent of the death penalty, but one mustn’t leave ANY room for doubt when passing that judgement. There’s no room to say “oops” later.

    Is Casey Anthony a nasty ho? Skanky party girl? Was she involved in the death of her daughter, somehow, someway? The answers to those questions is “probably”. But, she was not charged with being a nasty ho.

    I’m in no way defending Casey Anthony, but I am defending our judicial system. Despite it’s flaws, I truly believe it’s the best in the world.

    • Citizens Rights

      I agree whole heartedly with you as I did with “Cawmun Cents” what you believe as opposed to what can be proven is the basis of our jury system.

    • Mushin

      You obviously have little education and have spent little to no time in a courtroom.

      • Mushin

        And just for something to chew on {in your head (gotta make sure I explain everything carefullyhere)}.

        A recent court case in Indiana went to the Supreme court after police mistakenly broke into the wrong home. The man owning the home attempted to keep police from entering telling them they had the wrong house. Short story – they broke in, arrested him in his own home, charged him with resisting arrest! He took the case ALL the WAY to the supreme court and LOST THE CASE. The supreme court said “Yes, the police broke the law, BUT we aren’t doing anything about it. There goes your theory of “The greatest country and court system” right out the goddam window.

      • Dan az

        mushin
        I agree the system is broke,its called a police state.check out this site!
        http://www.cato.org/raidmap/
        Its going on in every state just click on the little tabs in your state or another one to see what is going on every day.

      • American Citizen

        It’s been said that the trial we saw on TV was not the trial the jurors witnessed. Words were said and things happened we were not privy to. Unless you were there physically and could see everything the jury saw and heard, plus were able to go over all the evidence again, you cannot sit in judgment.

  • Ken

    Having set on a few Jury’s in my lifetime I find the comments against this jury repulsive. 12 members listened to the evidence and came back with a not guilty verdict. Jury Not Guilty.

    • http://foundersrevolution.blogspot.com patriot1776

      Here, Here!

  • Annie

    He just gave you the evidence. Just the fact that she left with a child and came back 31 days later is guilt in my book……..

    • http://foundersrevolution.blogspot.com patriot1776

      Thats why you are not on a jury! God help the innocent person who is on trial if you ever sit on a jury.

      • TIME

        Patriot,
        More powerful words than your post can not be written!

      • Dan az

        patriot
        Frankly, when awake and aware lovers of liberty choose not to serve on a jury, they are leaving the battlefield with Goliath still standing, jeering at them as they walk away. By not serving, they are denying to themselves one of the critical “boxes of freedom” and a chance to sling one right between Leviathan’s eyes. If they don’t take that shot, what is left? Not much. The ballot box is a joke, the soap box, while still there, is also under relentless attack, with mainstream media now nothing more than Mordor’s mouthpiece. Why give up the jury box to the enemy? You know what comes next.

        Serving on a jury should be viewed as a form of liberty guerrilla warfare in the current “soft” or cold war between the forces of liberty and the forces of tyranny. We’d better use it while we can before the war goes hot. Besides, It’s good practice. We need to exercise our liberty muscles and our own cunning and resolve in the face of adversity. Step into the ring!

        We must close with the enemy and battle him in every arena, including in the courtroom. Give Leviathan no safe place, no place to let down his guard, and instead take the fight straight to him in a place where he thought he was supreme and could not be defeated. One juror, just one, can shut down all the gears, all the levers, and all the apparatus of unjust power, and make it stop. One juror can throw a critical monkey-wrench into the works. And if enough jurors do that, the cursed machine will be prevented from working at all. Just you, a lone liberty guerrilla, in a peaceful, bloodless, mini-revolution of conscience, can drive a dagger into the soft underbelly of the beast and set someone free. Talk about focus of effort! There can be no better time spent in the struggle to directly stop oppression.

      • http://foundersrevolution.blogspot.com patriot1776

        I like you Dan az. I like the way you think. Thank you for the comment.

  • gunnersmith

    There was no reasonable evidence or a motive to base a conviction on. If you want to convict somebody of a crime how about the put the prosecution on trial for failing in the job and wasting the tax payers money on a case they could not win. It’s ok to be mad about this, but let’s put the blame on the ones that failed to get the job done.

  • Maggiemoo

    Furby, What in the world are you talking about? The evidence was overwhelming that she was guilty as hell. I am disgusted with the idiots on the jury, but then again, the same kind of idiots elected B.O. and will likely do it again (in the face of overwhelming evidence that he is out to destroy our country.)

    • Vagabond

      Maggiemoo. my sentiments exactly. and I’ll bet they all voted for obummer and from what I am reading here so did a lot of the readers,

    • Les

      What overwhelming evidence?

    • Mushin

      Just one more human being who is capable of rational thinking against the hordes of idiots in this country – let’s move to someplace safe like Uganda – too scary to live here anymore!

  • http://foundersrevolution.blogspot.com patriot1776

    I know I will be chastized for saying this but, I think that everyone is looking at this wrong. Let me start by saying that I think that Casey Anthony is probably guilty of fatal neglect if not murder. However the jury, in my opinion did NOT have EVIDENCE beyond a reasonable doubt. This is clear even in this article. I have three beautiful children and I am torn to the core thinking about little Caylee’s life cut short by an unfit mother who would rather have fun than be a mom. It’s disgusting.
    However, The real problem here lies with those who are charged with the task of collecting the EVIDENCE. They had a high profile case where everyone wanted this woman hanged yesterday! The pressure to get this woman in court and convict, I believe, was why we saw the verdict we did. The jury did their job, as they were supposed to. It was the police, investigators, and the prosecuters who failed.
    During the trial of Casey Anthony, the prosecution managed to establish what people already knew:

    The skeletal remains found were those of Caylee and there was duct tape sticking to her skull;
    Casey lied to the police about a number of things;
    Casey denied murdering her daughter;
    Casey was not a person of the highest character.
    Some of those things are damning indictments if a woman applies for the Mother of the Year Award or is trying to be a role model to young women. I would hope that none of my daughters turns out to be like Casey Anthony.
    However, having a bad character does not mean one is a murderer. If that were so, then Washington, D.C., would be the murder capital of the world. (Come to think of it, not long ago, D.C. WAS the murder capital of the world, and it is true that bad character abounds in that city. Nonetheless, my original point stands.)
    Seizing on the duct tape, prosecutors then claimed that Casey smothered her child with it in order to get rid of her so that she could be a Big Party Animal. The problem was that they had no idea if the child were smothered with duct tape or not, none. They were engaging in conjecture, and any jury that takes its job seriously is not going to convict on the basis of a pretty loose conjecture.
    Now, had Casey’s DNA been found on the duct tape, that might have demonstrated a connection to the prosecution’s narrative, but, alas, they found nothing of the sort. What they had was a little girl’s skeletal remains and a mother of less-than-savory character.
    In the end, the jury did convict Casey Anthony of the obvious: she lied to the police. The crimes are misdemeanors, and the maximum she could get if the sentences for each of the four counts are run consecutively is four years, and she already has been jailed for three. Thus, whatever time she will spend in jail almost is over.
    Certainly, the Usual Suspects in the media will denounce what they see as a wrongful acquittal. Yet, what I see is a jury that did its job. Prosecutors demanded that jurors engage in speculation, and the jurors refused to do that, and I applaud them for their integrity. Maybe Casey Anthony did murder her daughter, but the prosecution never proved it, and jurors are supposed to acquit when that happens. And it happened.

    • Karolyn

      Absolutely agree.

    • TIME

      Patriot,
      No what you posted is all totaly within reason, any one who thinks in a logical way would agree with your post 100%. As would anyone who is a “True American who follows the rules of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.”

      It may also be of interest to all to put yourself in the shoes of anyone who stands in a courtroom accused of anything.
      You would hope that {12 open minded persons} would be on hand to review your case rather than 12 persons who think your guilty before you were given your day in court. Keep in mind that you are not guilty until proven otherwise by a jury of your peers. Thats the way our system was set up.

      Saddly what we have elvoleved into is a nation where “YOUR guilty until proven otherwise.”
      Thats 100% Totaly wrong in all respects. Now with that in mind ask yourself this one question, can you now understand why we have Barry sitting in the WH?

      What a sad nation we have become, we allow criminals in suits to run this nation by way of eating the fluffy worthless Rhetoric they so eloquently dispence at you, we eat this rotten festering waste material as if they were words of wisdom from God himself.

      Thats in fact the very reason we have a POTUS that we know not a single damm thing about, as in nothing!
      Thats alone speaks volumes about how low as a nation we have fallen.

      This case was tried in the “PUBLIC Court” of opinion by way of the spin factor media long before it was taken to the level of a Courtroom.
      Thats 100% totaly wrong as well creates the base of a Police state mind set. Of what saddly many find well within their liking.

      What I have seen of the media’s spin on this case has been nothing short of a lynch mob. How bloody sad is that in a naition where Justice & Honor was the courner stone of our foundation.

      • eddie47d

        Time says he would be reasonable in the Casey trial and that the media hyped it up . I agree but then he wants to be judge,jury and executioner and hang Obama in the “Public Court”. Sorry Time you have pronounced him guilty and wouldn’t necessary make a good jurist.

      • TIME

        Manzier 47 D cup,
        WOW BUBBA Buffoon – you again prove your as stupid as box of rocks, as a matter of fact you really make rocks look very smart indeed!
        Thus what else can one expect for an nano wit like yourslef but the mindless post you proudly present daily.

        Now Bubba Buffoon what jury was I on again.

      • Dan az

        Time
        I agree 100% This case is good for the criminal-justice system and here’s why: if people actually read the jury instructions about reasonable doubt, there would be a lot more acquittals…What this verdict does is demonstrate that unless the prosecution is able to show us how, why, when, and where the crime was committed, a jury is not going reach a decision that could end up sending a defendant to his death.
        We should take nothing we see in the media at face value: In spite of decades of evidence to the contrary, many people still think that they can make well-informed decisions about things based on what they’re given through television “news” programs. In fact, we the viewers are purely at the mercy of what the anchors and produces want us to see. All of the Americans who think that they followed the case “closely” still have access to only a fraction of the information available to jurors. Even someone who watched every single minute of the trial via live video feed can still only see what the camera is showing at any given minute, and can only hear what the microphones pick up.
        Government prosecutors are not to be trusted. Does this point even need to repeated? Prosecutors routinely make prosecutions for political reasons. Cushy political appointments, elected offices and jobs as state and federal judges are at stake. The Duke Lacrosse Team, Tim Masters, and Lisl Auman can tell you all about it. In addition, prosecutors are virtually never held accountable for anything. The disbarment of Michael Nifong is a rare case of this, and his punishment amounts to little more than a slap on the wrist compared to what he wanted to do to the accused.

      • eddie47d

        I have met Tim Masters and have read much about him.Even gave him some money when he was first released to help him get on with his life. Prosecutors really dropped the ball on that one.Haven’t heard the name Lisl Auman in years and who was falsely targeted by police.I hope she is doing well.

    • Frank

      Points well taken. Another, an adult does not need chloroform and duct tape to smother a 2 year old child. On the other hand, Cindy probably would need chloroform to render her cheating husband defenseless. She did testify that she searched for chloroform. I believe her. Problem with the prosecutions theory. Start with a wrong theory and it is difficult to make your case. Example: O.J. Simpson. I think he was guilty but did not act alone! Problem with the prosecutions case. Being a party girl does not in itself make someone a bad mother or murderer. I know wonderful mothers who like to party!

    • Navigator30

      Some of you have watched too many CSI episodes. It is unreasonable to expect the police to determine a cause of death on a body that is in such an advanced state of decomposition. Caseys lies and a thunderstorm effectively delayed the recovery of the body long enough for her to benefit. If my child were missing, it would take about 10 minutes to report to police. There was plenty of circumstantial evidence to convict. As some have pointed out, many convictions have been obtained without any body at all.

  • Melissa

    It is hard to believe that there are mothers who harm their children much less do what she did. I know that if one of my children drown, the grief would be consuming. It isn’t something you ever really get over. I have lost people I love, lost two children and her behavior is unbelievable. Grief is a long road and I agree with the author here. Justice was not served in this case but mocked.

  • Cawmun Cents

    Nobody found her to be innocent.They could not convict her of so serious a charge,on circumstantial evidence.The degree of guilt is what is debated.So she was not convicted of murder 1,and the only way to make the bulk of the charges stick is to get the first one to stick.The DA knew the risks and gambled away the case.It happens.The state of Florida crapped out.Guilt assumes that Casey committed murder.Only She knows if that is the case.No matter…the outcome for her is certain.Her life will be a wreck,and lead to tragedy if she is guilty.But tragically,it is ruined no matter what else happens to her.Whether or not she deserves guilt,it will always be assumed by most that she is guilty of murder.She was found not guilty in court,but guilty in the court of public opinion.Either way she is going to serve a life sentence.-CC.

    • Vagabond

      CC what human being would go two days let alone 31 days without reporting a child missing?? that right there is enough for me to find her GUILTY,

      • skippy

        very well said Vagabond! what kind of mother is that??!! Loving…my ass!!

      • Cawmun Cents

        I would never come to the defence of the perveyor of so heinous a crime.But the DA had bupkiss.Evidence required for such a conviction would neccesarily be bountiful.There was no such evidence produced.Regardless,whether I assume she is a deplorable excuse for a human being or not,that is the onus of the matter.Evidence.Not of poor character…I’d have to put half the world or more to death for that.Aquittal is the least of her issues now.-CC.

      • Karolyn

        Well, then, I hope you’re never picked to be on a murder trial jury! You would be convicting someone on the basis of personal feelings for something having to do with her personality or lack of morals. That is not right!

      • Mushin

        It’s not about personal feeling you nimrod, it’s about discerning one’s personality PERIOD – LET’S TRY TO HELP THE SLOW ONE’S HERE – lying to the police, lying to the police, lying to the police.

        Waiting ONE MONTH to tell police your daughter is missing, ( I just can’t bring myself to repeat this one again).

        Partying it up a couple weeks after your daughter is missing instead of spending every waking minute looking for her under every rock, bush and tree!

        I’m sorry, how is it that you can even have the wit’s to breathe?!

      • Skeptic

        Vagabond said:
        “CC what human being would go two days let alone 31 days without reporting a child missing?? that right there is enough for me to find her GUILTY”

        Casey knew she was already dead – no need to report a child missing.

        Does that make her guilty of murder – NO! Need more evidence for that.

    • Citizens Rights

      Pundits like this guy Robert Ringer who wrote this article disgust the hell out of me. They set themselves up as Judge and Jury and then tell us there version of what really happened. Our founding fathers recognizing the prosecutorial abuse in Europe; imprisonment without trial and other injustices that robbed people of their freedom and human dignity, made absolutely sure that as citizens of this great new nation any and all jurisdictions would have many hurdles to clear before they could imprison a citizen, not the least of which was conviction beyond a reasonable doubt. They intended that supposition, conjecture, hypothesis, and theory would not have standing with a jury of peers. As Cawmun Cents (like the word play) so artfully pointed out; the Prosecutor’s reached for the stars with murder 1 and did everyone a disservice. This girl, guilty or innocent, will serve a life sentence of public scorn, accusations and possibly physical attack.

      • Ref_Who

        Oh, I so agree with you. These articles just do not need to be written. These jury members now fear for their safety. THAT IS RIDICULOUS. These “journalists”, “lawyers”, and Nancy Grace need to be condemned for inciting the public against these jurors. They made their decision based on what they saw and heard. Listen to the foreman to find out, that they thought she was guilty, but they cannot go on emotions or beliefs. They MUST go by the evidence. I think this article and the writer should be banned for downing the jury and their verdict. I’d like to know how many juries this “journalist” has been on?

      • eddie47d

        It has to be guilt by evidence not emotions,so well said. We are an incarceration nation. We trump up evidence and add a few charges to see which ones will stick. Maybe the jury saw through the evidence that was presented and said whoa wait a minute that isn’t good enough. The trial turned into a circus because of the media,the prosecution and the defense. It’s possible that the jury saw through that and turned against the hollowing crowd.

      • PeteRFNY

        Oh pleas…get off your smug high horse. You know, I was at the point where I had accepted that the jurors were just doing what they though was right, blah blah blah – until I saw two alternate jurors interviewed on Dateline. They were both as dumb as a box of rocks and sounded like it. Now it is pretty obvious how this jury came to this conclusion – they were watching a trial from an alternate universe where babies kill themselves and everyone has goatees.

      • Sues

        Oh PeteRFNY – You have no idea how really right you are. I live on the border of Pinellas and Pasco counties. If you think that jury was slow on the uptake, be glad they didn’t pull from Pasco. There’d be a lot more than just goatees. Just watch juror number three, who can’t seem to get enough face time on TV. You must be from NY as your name implies. I left NYC for this place many years ago and believe me, culture shock doesn’t even begin to describe this place. It truly is across the universe from any I’ve been to in my life.

      • Eli

        To Citizens Rights and Ref Who That is the sorry Liberal media for you! They applaud the death award in many facets! Good example they support abortion and the killing of innocence therefore they support death to all but their own ignorant selves!

      • Sues

        Well C.R. – If you were REALLY so concerned about the rights of others and the “founding fathers” (I love how people drop the founding father thing these days as if they have some sort of subliminal link to them – boring) you would agree after rereading your own post, that you too, are treading on the same human rights you accuse Mr. Ringer. Yawn. You’re another ‘do as I say, not as I do’ liberal. Here’s an idea, since you’re so concerned for her (Casey) safety, why not apply to be one of her many, many, body guards. She’s going to need them according to you. Frankly, I don’t give a rat’s behind about her safety. Certainly OJ wasn’t about his, as he played golf everyday instead of finding the “real” killer, and look at him now. If Casey Anthony is of true moral ineptitude then she will become a victim of her own lifestyle – eventually. Just like OJ.

      • moonbeam

        “I left NYC for this place many years ago and believe me, culture shock doesn’t even begin to describe this place. It truly is across the universe from any I’ve been to in my life.”

        You said a mouthful there for sure! I moved down here years ago from Pittsburgh and let me tell you, the ignorance and backwardness is absolutely unbelievable. Although I love living here, I am ecstatic I wasn’t born and raised here.

        Forget about having intelligent conversation. You must explain every dog-gone thing you say as people here understand nothing. For instance, I made a reference to the old saying “Sweet nothings.” to a guy I was getting to know. Do you know he actually freaking thought I was trying to offend him??? So, I had to explain this lovely saying and he STILL didn’t get it! I finally just said to him “ya know, this isn’t going to work. I will be damned if I have to sit and explain everything to you.” This was just 1 week of knowing him. Quickly grew tired of explaining even my facial expressions. Raising an eyebrow needed explanation. Too freaking ignorant and backward for my tastes!

        It is refreshingly exuberant when I can talk with someone from up north or anyone who is NOT from here. The conversation is cerebral, intelligent, flowing and I don’t have to stop and explain every little thing I say.

      • apf2

        And then there are those that think they are so much smarter than everyone else that they must demonstrate it constantly-and in doing so they demonstrate how absolutely lacking they are. North is not smarter than south, city not better than rural. Cultural differences exist and those that refuse to respect them and take them into account are the real losers.

        Perhaps, you have such a strange face that what you think you are expressing just doesn’t come off. Or maybe the man you were trying to impress was unaccustomed to snooty, condescending smugness.

        In short, you come off as detestable, intolerant elitist snob–one I am glad not to have to deal with on a daily basis.

      • libertytrain

        apf2 -you said it. I don’t know why these people don’t stay in the North. It would keep it nicer for those of us that appreciate and understand that we have moved into a different area and respect it as such.

      • Mushin

        I know exactly what you mean my dear….

      • Push comes to shove

        You know opinions are like A__holes, we all have one. Mr. Ringer did no such thing as set himself up as judge, jury and executioner, he merely gave his opinion on the case that the evidence presented. That is what writers do they give thier views and opinions.

        Just as you did in your comment, where you are playing judge and jury of his opinion. We all have strong beliefs about this case yours mine or his it makes no difference as the seated jury made thiers even though i believe they were wrong.

        GOD will judge her soon enough and that should be enough for all of us.

  • James

    I am about tired of all the Monday morning armchair jurors who are saying what the verdict should have been. They evidently had their doubts and they have spoken. You were not on the jury so shut up.
    There’s a part of all of us that almost feels sorry for this emotionally disturbed young lady.
    God will be her final judge.

    • Mushin

      Jimmy,you “feel sorry” for her?! What would you “feel” for her if that were YOUR child she killed?! are you okay?!

      This is exactly the problem we have with our society today! If someone commit’s such a heinous act as killing an innocent child, such an act deserves zero empathy. ZERO.

      You bleeding heart liberals make me sick. Somehow you find a way to justify anything, from homosexuality to an innocent child’s murder. She knew FULLY WELL what she was doing and did it with malicious intent.

      One thing I do concur with – God have mercy on her soul.

      • Frank

        They never proved that Caylee was murdered as they could not determine cause of death.

      • Maureen

        Ya, Caylee wasn’t murdered – she taped up her own mouth with ducttape and crawled into the trash back ….really????

      • Sues

        Good post Maureen. I’m with you.

      • Karolyn

        THERE WAS NO CAUSE OF DEATH; consequently, there could be no murder! If you can’t provide cause of death, there can be no proof that it was murder!

      • JOAN

        iF the child was not murdered how do you suppose the tape got wraped around her face with a stickey heart do think the child commited suicide??????

      • shar40

        You are so right—–They just gave manslaughter in the trial where the couple’s pet python killed their baby. The couple will the rest of their life in jail becuase the jury used their head. Manslaghter because the snake was in the house and was able to get to the baby and kill it. that was neglect and Casey killed her little two year old becuase no one else would have done it and she was with her last. She should be tried again in another court like OJ was.

      • Mushin

        Well Joan (and Shar) it’s readily apparent why Hitler said “What luck for rulers that men do not think” – because the proof is all over with the idiots that have posted on this page….

        I heard about the case of the child and the pet python. Anyone who would keep a 9 foot snake ANYWHERE near a child is brainless turd – AND I’m confident Furby, Karolyn, and George (and a host of other geniuses) would disagree. The parent’s aren’t responsible, it’s all the snakes fault!

        Are people really this thoughtless? I mean….really?!

      • apf2

        Shar40: Those parents were found guilty of the CORRECT charge. They will not spend “the rest of their lives in prison” as manslaughter doesn’t carry that harsh of a sentence. But it is a the correct charge for the crime. First Degree Murder can not fit a case where they haven’t even established that there has been a murder. No cause of death–no murder. They should have gone for manslaughter–you only have to prove that her actions, although indirectly, caused her death. Much easier to prove and a better fit for a case with a cause of death.
        Mushin: Go home already. You are so blinded by hate, emotion and yes, stupidity that you will never grasp the idea that with out a cause of death there is no murder under US law. Your hatred for the mother is far from sufficient to merit a conviction. And a good thing for you, since anyone as vocally insulting as you seem to be is sure to have a lot of enemies that could under your logic get your ass fried in the electric chair!

      • Barbc

        Two year olds tend not to commit suicide. It would be very hard for small child to tear off a strip of duct tape. Someone murdered this child.
        The mother and grandparents all should be brought on neglect charges at the very least.
        They all knew she was not at the house. The fact they did not know where she was is abhorrent and yet they did nothing to find her. Makes me wonder what and when they knew something.
        Granted certain specifics are not known but there is plenty of known information in general indicates, a preponderance of circumstantial evidence all pointing to one conclusion. When this happens then reasonable doubt is not there. The mother and or the grandparents are guilty.

      • Sues

        Barbc – I believe Joan was injecting a little sarcasm into the mix of liberal idealism.

      • Karolyn

        Oh! You were there! Why didn’t you come forward!

      • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/civil-liberty/raising-the-bar-for-guilty-verdicts/?eiid&rmid=2011_07_12_PLA_%5BP11349313%5D&rrid=387324393&replytocom=488083#respond Len65

        Mushin says:

        Jimmy,you “feel sorry” for her?! What would you “feel” for her if that were YOUR child she killed?! are you okay?!

        This is exactly the problem we have with our society today! If someone commit’s such a heinous act as killing an innocent child, such an act deserves zero empathy. ZERO

        Tell me how you fee about the millions of babies that are killed by abortion? Where is the outrage over this injustice?

    • Eli

      Amen,and Amen!

    • James

      I’m not the ‘James’ that wrote this, I’m the James that wrote above.

  • terry

    I believe everyone agrees with you.

    • Sues

      Well Terry, I believe your beliefs are a little marred.

      • Lost in Paradise

        What are your beliefs Sue?

  • Tazio2013

    The prosecution and MSM failed to make their case, therefore, 12 open-minded and responsible jurors arrived at their not guilty decision in less than 10 hours.

    • TIME

      Tazio,
      I agree with you 100%.

    • Sues

      You’re right Tazio. And a few of them are actually cashing in on it too. Lucky devils.

  • http://personalliberty.com Bill Beach

    Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes said, “Better ninety nine guilty go free than that one innocent man should suffer.” If you don’t believe that, you would be perfectly at home in a police state. Before you can convict someone of murder, a prosecutor must first prove that a murder was committed. These people were unable to determine how Caley died much less that she was murdered. You and I and Nancy Grace and probably a vast majority of the people think Casey was guilty. That isn’t sufficient for a guilty verdict, you need solid evidence and these low grade prosecutors didn’t have it.

    • Frank

      Bingo. We can discuss this all day but none of us were on the jury. But I agree with your points

      • Push comes to shove

        How she died was not the point, how someone dies is inconsequintial when you ask yourself one question…..

        How did she end up in that swamp with duct tape covering the mouth and nose areas in a plastic bag?

        Do not forget there was a plastic bag that was only open because of scavenger animals.

      • Frank

        Duct tape over the nose and mouth was the prosecutions theory. Finding duct tape at the site where Caylee’s body was found is not proof of that theory, but the basis for that theory. An adult does not need chloroform and duct tape to smother a child.

      • Void1972

        Frank
        You still don’t get it! All of you morons still don’t get it!!!!
        Lord, please help the ignorant on this site, and give us all redemption for our ignorance.
        God Bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

    • Bob

      Holmes must have been a fool and so is anyone who believes his statement. The damage caused by the 99 who go free would far outweigh the damage done to one innocent person. The verdict returned by the morons in this case shocks the conscience and frees this woman to injure or kill another child.

      • Sues

        Exactly Bob. And if your recall a day or two after her freedom was announced she declared her desire to have another child. Oy vey! And didn’t you just love how she winked at her constituents? What a gal.

      • Lost in Paradise

        You do not know that for sure either Bob! One life is a very precious item. That much I do know.

      • jreb

        “Holmes must have been a fool and so is anyone who believes his statement. The damage caused by the 99 who go free would far outweigh the damage done to one innocent person. The verdict returned by the morons in this case shocks the conscience and frees this woman to injure or kill another child.”

        I hope in the future, if you should be charged with a crime you did not commit, and you are standing trial and face conviction that you remember your comment here. I wonder if then you will think that justice is served if you an innocent man face imprisonment or perhaps execution for a crime you did not commit.

        I’m no liberal, I’m a former police officer, and if this jury found that the prosecution did not present proof beyond a reasonable doubt then you should be angry at the prosecution for not presenting a competently investigated case based on evidence. From what I can gather there seems to be an abundance of physical evidence but it was not investigated; no cause of death was even established. That is sloppy police work, and even worse the prosecution should have known that they did not have enough to convict and should have insisted upon a competent investigation before proceeding. Instead, it seems, that they intended to proceed and hope that the outrage over the death of a small child would be enough to convict; instead of delivering justice, it seems, they hoped that the jury would act as a lynch mob and deliver a conviction based upon emotion rather than a reasonable examination of facts.

        Perhaps more disturbing than the police and prosecutors lack of competence is the suggestion by the author of the article that we need professional jurors; jurors that will deliver a guilty verdict reliably, regardless of the evidence or lack thereof.

        Wake up people, we are proceeding down the path to abject tyranny, and are much further down that path than most realize.

      • RMCCD

        Jreb i couldn’t have said it better myself… in this day and age where more of the citizens rights and freedoms are being stripped for security of the state… its refreshing to see that a jury is willing to hold the State to its proper place of HAVING TO PROVE THE CASE WITH EVIDENCE!!!! it would be too easy, just to hate and execute this entirely unsypathic woman.Just for the way she carries herself and behaves, lucky is she cooler heads prevailed, sad for Florida that sloppy investigation and prosecution are Par for the course!

      • Eli

        lighten up Bob were you on the jury or even in the courtroom? Did you see any of the so called physical evidence or did you just liberally believe what you read!!!!?????

      • Lueder

        Bob, I wonder if you would still say that if you were the innocent person being wrongfully convicted and sentenced to death.

        I can’t say much on this because I didn’t know that the trial was being televised so didn’t watch any of it. I also have never had the opportunity to serve on a jury. Not that I haven’t been summoned but when I have been, the cases have always been dismissed or settled before I reported for duty. However, I will say this: our legal and justice system were set up the way they were for a reason. Do I believe them to be corrupt now? YES!! But, if the prosecution didn’t present enough evidence to ensure reasonable doubt, then the jury had no choice but to return a not guilty verdict.

    • Ref_Who

      Agree 100%. BLAME THE STATE, NOT THE JURY.

      • eddie47d

        Nancy Grace thinks everyone is guilty and demands vigilante justice.She is a show boater who is making money off of peoples emotions. That is asking for a police state or at least a guilty verdict without the necessary proof to send someone to prison. I believe Casey was guilty because of that gut feeling that she didn’t report the child missing within a couple of hours. Which a normal headed reasonable person would have done. We also don’t convict a person in America by gut feelings so I will grudgingly accept the juries verdict.

      • RMCCD

        Good Call.

      • denniso

        Our system is far from perfect…we have convicted many innocent people and even sent them to death row,w/ little doubt executing some. Many of the guilty are never even caught,and many are not convicted because of lousy prosecution or lack of hard evidence. We have to abide by having evidence to convict,not just a gut feeling or suspicion,since conviction and imprisonment are serious,to say the least. This case had essentially no real evidence to convict on murder,and the prosecution should have charged w/ a lesser crime that probably would have resulted in conviction.

        Nancy Grace thinks she’s the Grand Inquisitor and is making big money filling that role to people looking for justice in a violent society. The poor daughter is dead,and there is nothing that changes that…conviction or not.

    • Eli

      Well said Mr. Billbeach and I agree with your comment!

  • Furby

    The woman may or may not have been guilty, but the evicence was not there. People who don’t know the law wants to take away all constitutional rights and go back to the Roman impar days. We have very little justice. I know a man who did several years in proson without a trial or without pleas of any kind except not guilty. What is your oppinion on that?

    • Vagabond

      furby you sound about as bright as a 10 wat bulb. the slimebag is guilty as sin and should be put to death.

      • Greg

        Vagabond,
        YOU MUST HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE MILLIONS THAT NEVER WATCHED ANY OF THE TRIAL, BUT KNOW THE VERDICT WAS WRONG. IF FURBY IS A 10 WATT BULB, THEN YOUR WATTAGE CAN NOT BE MEASURED.

      • Ref_Who

        I watched every single minute of the trial. Did you? I agree with the verdict. Does that mean I think she’s innocent? No, I do not. But you must weight the evidence, which wasn’t there. Blame the prosecution, not the jury.

      • smoothnu

        @ref well said. The evidence was not there! “Homicide by unknown means” What a crock of sh#%! How can you even call it a homicide without determining the cause first? The prosecution dropped the ball on this one big time.

        I think the slut gave this kid something to make her sleep, so she could go party and accidently over done it. Panic ensued and she dumped the body, more than likely with the help of her dad.

      • Old Henry

        smoothnu:

        You must be one of those brain-dead Soetoro people.

        There. Was, Duct tape. Over. Her. Mouth.

        Her mother spent 31 days doing whatever while her daughter was MISSING and she never reported it to authorities.

        All any thinking person can do is shake their heads at such ignorance.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree with Old Henry. I mean the guilt was all over her, evidenced by her own actions while this child was missing. And yet I agree with other posts that the prosecution did a terrible job presenting their case. But lawyers are the real scumbags. They dont care about justice and the truth. Its all a game they play to manipulate the system to get what they want. Kind of reminds me of democrats actually. But anyhow, I think she should now just hook up with OJ and they can live happily ever after. I mean, shoot, since neither one works, they can together collect food stamps, welfare, government housing, and maybe even tap into some social security money. According to the democrats, since they dont work, they are poor and the rest of us should take care of them the rest of their lives, because you know, theyre poor.

      • eyeswideopen

        Berb, here in Fl, we have repubs who can’t admit wrong doing, so the verdict was not a surprise.

      • Ken

        There is a perception gaining firm ground that you cannot get a trial by your peers any longer in the USA. I.E., our court system is a corrupt failure. The division of opinions in these comments suggest that a true verdict on the side of upholding a true trial was delivered. The jurors could not agree any more than the commentors here can agree. Police and prosecutors are running rampant in our country. We are already in a Police State we just haven’t realized it yet.

      • Ken

        correction:
        The jurors did agree that the police did not adequately do their job sufficient to find this woman guilty, and they would not find guilt without the prosecution presenting a reasonable case.

      • denniso

        In a ‘free’ society we have to err on the side of innocence,so the verdict looks to be correct. There was no actual evidence to connect the mother to the death of the poor little girl…not even a cause of death established by the State. In the absence of evidence and w/ only suspicion,you can’t convict on murder. The State also blew it by going for the death penalty because that made a possible conviction that much more serious. Life in prison,w/ the possibility that future evidence could show the mother not guilty, would have let the jurrors feel more free to convict.

      • vicki

        denniso writes:
        “In a ‘free’ society we have to err on the side of innocence,so the verdict looks to be correct. ”

        Impressive. I find myself in 100% agreement with denniso. :)

        It is better to let 10 guilty go free than to convict even 1 innocent.

      • Void1972

        Remember folks, we live in a society where good is bad and bad is good. This is how the Communist have brought down many great nations in the past. The evil behind these organizations have been the same families for hundreds of years, and by bringing down the moral standing of society, evil presides.
        I remember when OJ was found innocent, and the reaction of my fellow employees. Most, but not all of the Blacks were rejoicing and high fiveing over the acquittal , most, but not all of the Whites were in shock.
        This is where they win, by dividing the people into two groups. Those who Trust in God, and those who trust in man.
        Trust in God brings men and women to understand moral issues, and to make the proper decision when confronted by right and wrong.
        Trust in man will bring men and women to the same conclusion every time.
        There is no law greater then the law of God. Everyday we are all confronted with many issues that can corrupt us or free us. Most of us make the right choices, but when we are continually bombarded by a corrupt media and society, these choices become more difficult.
        Remember years ago when Hollywood created beautiful family programs, and every Sunday at 7pm, Mutual Omaha’s wild Kingdom and Disney, (before Disney was bought out by the corrupt ones), would show wonderful moral stories for the whole family to enjoy.
        Now we have Pregnant at 16, House wives of every demented county in America, Real Life(anything but)
        Mob wives, Brokeback mountain on every other channel. Almost everything on TV is aimed at bringing down moral standards. This is the new norm.
        Daily demented news, daily corruption, daily evil influence. Our kids don’t stand a chance.
        Normalize evil, and evil is accepted. Bad is good, and good is bad.
        Casey is just a product of a demented society. We hear stories daily of kids killing in school, murdering babies, killing, killing and more killing. Total insanity on a daily basis.
        This is what evil creates. Life copying so called art.
        Boycott Hollywood, Boycott Media, Boycott big banks, Boycott corrupt Politicians, Boycott evil, and evil will fail.
        Demand and accept only good, and good will be the norm.
        God Bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

      • Old Henry

        Well Ken, Not Guilty is not even in the balpark with Innocent.

      • Old Henry

        Bravo Void1972, bravo.

        I watched a link today of the nit-wit Woopie on the View going nuts about Michelle Bachmann singing on to that pledge. Woopie and her ilk on that piece of crap show are exactly the kind of scum you talk about.

      • eyeswideopen

        denniso, I disagree, they should have found her guilty of Child neglect, abandonment, something of that sort. She was responsible for the well being of her child at all times, unless Casey was in the care of another family member, child care facility, good friend, or paid nanny. They are presently charging a mother with the death of her child who accidentally ate a pill on her nite stand. She is responsible for the childs safety. This woman got off, as the jurors didn’t listen to the judges instructions, dealing with her responsibility as a parent. Hey! it’s florida, we are living in the wild wild south, where facts and information don’t matter. Don’t ever move here as you would be horrified at how we run our state.

      • denniso

        Hi Eyes…If the prosecutor had charged her w/ neglect,abuse,abandonment,then there is little doubt she would have been convicted of something. But, they charged her w/ murder,w/ death as punishment,when they couldn’t even say how the poor little girl died. Once they charged her w/ capital murder they had to stick w/ that and couldn’t go after her on lesser charges…I would like to see them file neglect/abandonment charges and take her back to court.

      • http://google irene

        i am still outraged over the casey anthony verdict, i cannot believe with all the evidence, the jurors came up with the NOT GUILTY verdict, this is INSANE, to speak the least, all the evidence was there, what the heck trial were they watching,if, i did’nt know better, i would of thought GEORGE was the one on trial

      • Gary

        Its bad when people throw out a ton of lies and then the jury can’t figure out what is true and what isn’t…so it raises a doubt….where is the puishment for perjury.

      • ONTIME

        The standards are not there and we pay far to much for bad employees in almost all of government, the CYA and liars clubs are designed to keep you in the dark and give these laggards a way out before they are investigated or pointed out.

        If we can get control of the money by a flat tax or natl’s sales tax, remove the progressive tax and the IRS, we can begin the turn around the circumstances that have allowed elitism to ruin the quality we expect from those we trust to work as civil servants…..

      • Charles

        During the mid-90s, in Rockford, Illinois, the local District Attorney was quoted in the newspaper as saying, “the problem with jurors is they have been raised with the foolish belief that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty.” (After about fifteen years, I don’t remember the exact wording, but the meaning remains clear.)

        He eloquently stated what all prosecutors want. They want to be able to waltz into court with a guaranteed conviction unless the accused proves that he is innocent.

      • FreedomFighter

        Another example of the failure of our school system to educate the public and why the Dept of Education should be terminated.

        This woman displayed wanton disrecard for the wearabouts of a child, actually party going while her child was missing, as if she was celebrating her new found freedom from parenthood.

        That gentlemen is enough to convict.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • George Smith

        Strange behavior on the part of a woman who is clearly mentally ill does not constitute guilt of murder.

      • FYI

        This is more important than this article:

        Liberal Billionaire Sways Media
        http://www.personalliberty.com/news/liberal-billionaire-sways-media-24469/

      • Karolyn

        It doesn’t matter what kind of education system we have. There will always be bad parents!

      • http://randall701jen@charter.net Working Man

        Like Captian Kirk radioed to the Enterprize: “Beam me up Scottie,
        there is no sign of intellengant life arround here”.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Common sense is not allowed in the law. Certain truths you are not allowed to reveal to the jury. Anymore, they make the prosecution, who really stunk in this case anyway, but they make them basically provide a picture of the person doing the crime, have an eye witness, or have the blood of them at the scene and the blood of the victim on them. Anyone who pulls off a “clean” crime like she did, gets to walk. I have no doubt in my mind she is guilty. Her body language proved that just as your post said. Without a doubt. But our penal system is broken, and when your limited as to what kind of questions you can ask, and what kind of evidence your allowed to use, or what your allowed to divulge to the jury is controlled. Its a broken system, ran by a bunch of crooked lawyers and judges. I would like to see a final tally on this, of who made what, and you will find these lawyers true motives to their work, and it is not sorting out right from wrong, its collecting dead presidents. Thats it.

      • RMCCD

        If the Charge was for being a BAD parent … then no jury would have aqquited, But the State Charged her With First degree homicide, and sought the Death Penalty.. then failed to even show cause of death… Who is To blame for that????

      • Ranger WW2

        Since no one else was on trial, and Caylee’s remains were found 6 months after she disappeared,and the person being tried, knew where the body was, went partying while people were searching,and she was found not guilty, this old guy figures that the only way it could have happened…her Mama was mean to her, so the poor little baby walked into the woods and commited suicide! Question for you psychologists’I wonder how many of you would even bother to post that it was a just verdict, if the person being tried was a middle-aged homely lady.. A murder was committed,to do what this person was accused of doing you have to be mentally unstable,that person should be in a hospital, not free.

      • 4mula1

        WOOOoooo.. ouch, thats gotta sting.

      • matt

        prove it the state could not connect her to the crime and the fact that she was alledge the last person to see her is just thst you still have to have physicle evidence to convict her and that they didnt have

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        So where did the dead body smell in her car come from? That isnt evidence? Just because she had the body wrapped so that DNA didnt leak out all over, your telling me that dead body smell just happened to get there all by itself? And then the body got out of the trunk all by itself? Come on man.

      • eyeswideopen

        Beberoni, hands clapping loudly.

      • vicki

        Vagabond writes:
        “furby you sound about as bright as a 10 wat bulb. the slimebag is guilty as sin and should be put to death.”

        not one but 2 ad hominem attacks. Not a really good way for you to further your case.

        Unless you were there (at the murder) you can not possibly ‘Know’ that the person is ‘guilty as sin’ or guilty at all.

      • Lost in Paradise

        Would you rather return to the days when an angry mob, would be judge, jury, and executioner? A good ole fashioned lynching? You are a nut case and should be under supervision.

      • George Smith

        Vagabond, you sound like a character in an old western movie who can’t wait to get a rope and hang the first suspect. Fortunately, our justice system is designed to protect people from those who would promote mob justice.

      • RMCCD

        It Was also Designed to protect the Citizen From the tyranny of the State… the State Accusing Someone of a crime isn’t Sufficient to Convict.. reasonable Evidence Must be presented… I personally don’t wish to return to the dicates of the ruler.. being sufficient for arrest torture and execution..system may not be perfect as it is .. but its far better than the alternative!

      • moonbeam

        Vagabond, everybody KNOWS she is guilty as sin, but the PROOF is lacking. Don’t worry, she didn’t get away with it. There is no where she can go, no where to hide no matter where they send her or where she goes. She forgets who her ultimate judge is. The Lord God Almighty!

        Can’t hide from Him no way, no how.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        She will pay indeed. For now, her and OJ need to hook up. Misery loves company.

      • Just Me

        OJ is in prison in Nevada for armed robbery…

      • Searcher

        Do I think she was responsible for the death of her daughter? YES
        But it’s kind of hard to convict someone of murder, when you can’t even say what caused the childs death. JMHO

    • Mushin

      Dear Furby – the evidence WAS there as stated and was poorly presented to the court. Sadly most of the jurors had the same level of intelligence as you – which I’m sure the defense was tickled to discover.

      A complete idiot could see she was guilty as sin just by looking at how she enjoyed herself in the photographs taken of her right after her daughters death.

      With nimrods like you it’s no wonder the powers that be call us “sheep”.

      Anyone who could kill a sweet and innocent child deserves a fate worse than death.

      • Frank

        They couldn’t even establish cause of death so how does anyone KNOW that she was murdered much less that Casey did it? Granted, the duck tape hints that she was murdered. But it could have been an accidental death. Once a mother was hiding from the German SS and her baby kept crying. So she covered the babies mouth with her hand and the baby suffocated. Not saying that Caylee’s death was an accident just that without cause of death you can’t claim that she was in fact murdered.

        Then prosecution put up that lame decomposing material in the trunk and the scientist had to admit that he could say whether it was animal or vegetable. So there goes that credability.

        All I do know is a sweet little girl is dead. RIP Caylee, you are in a much better place where you are loved.

      • Barbc

        Decaying flesh has a very different order from decaying plant matter. Having grown up on a farm and having smelled a number of each event there is no mistaking one for the other.

      • matt

        you could have had a piece of meet in that trash bag that could have rotted. which could explained the maggots because most maggots eat dead tissue yep the same ones they use in maggot therapy to eat away dead tissue aroun an open wound

      • vicki

        Mushin writes:
        “A complete idiot could see she was guilty as sin just by looking at how she enjoyed herself in the photographs taken of her right after her daughters death.”

        Really? Was the daughters dead body there in the background? Who took the pics? Were they the accomplices? You are right about one thing. Only a complete idiot would assign guilt just by looking at someones apparent emotional state in a photograph.

      • Mushin

        Uh huh – you and Furby must have the same intelligence genes. If YOU lost a child during the same month would YOU be out laughing and having a good time competing in a “hot body” contest at a nightclub? Your another retard!

        “Casey did not report that her daughter was missing until a month after Caylee had disappeared. Casey and her defense team claim that Caylee drowned in the family’s swimming pool. (Joe Burbank/Orlando Sentinel)”

        Would you wait one month to report your child missing?

        Can you get it?! ONE MONTH?! The lights are on but nobody’s home is there?!

        “Accused by witnesses and police as showing little to no emotion while her daughter was missing, Anthony broke down in the courtroom in Orlando, Fla., on July 22, 2008. Anthony was arrested on child-neglect and other charges after Orange County sheriff detectives accused her of telling a string of lies about her daughter’s disappearance, which was reported to police on July 15. (Red Huber/Orlando Sentinel/MCT)”

        Not convinced somethings amiss?! Now would you wait ONE MONTH to tell police your child was missing? Lie to police concerning the disappearance of your child? Why would you refuse to testify?! Did you see the testimony of her mother concerning questioning Casey about where Calee was?!

        As others have stated here, the case poorly presented was the cause of her acquittal – and just because this woman was acquitted doesn’t mean she isn’t guilty, only that she managed to avoid the fate she deserved due to lack of evidence connecting her to the death of her daughter.
        Ford said jurors were crying and “sick to their stomachs” – Can you get why the jurors were “sick to their stomachs”? Let me spell it out for you – WE KNOW SHE’S GUILTY, BUT WE CAN’T SAY SHE IS FOR LACK OF “HARD” EVIDENCE.

        She has been called a “pathological liar” by the prosecution and that is obvious.

        I suppose you believe O.J. Simpson was innocent as well?!

      • Earl

        RE: the OJ case. I have a friend who is a criminal defense attorney. We were discussing the OJ case one day as it related to the Anthony case. He commented that in his opinion OJ didn’t kill the victims, but he knew who DID. The conversation centered around culpability by OJ’s son, who stood to loose out on 9 million dollars in eventual inheritance if she divorced OJ and took his money. Protecting his son might explain some of the discrepancies, like the glove that didn’t fit, etc.

        Perhaps Anthony’s mother DID carelessly allow Caylee to drown. That might create a situation where she was protecting mommy? By ascribing the death to a phantom person that would deflect attention from both. That might explain to a degree here partying since she herself didn’t do the deed, and thinking the whole thing might blow over. Also consider that the subject of the case was barely 20 at the time. Fear can be a powerful motivator.

        All these things are still criminal, but don’t rise to capital murder status……Add a botched investigation in both cases, and here we are!

        Just one more scenario………..

      • apf2

        Mushin, your penchant for insulting anyone that does not agree with you demonstrates that the mentally hobbled poster is none other than yourself.

        Either you think you are God and know everything just by your mere existence, or you are incredibly stupid and lack the intellectual capacity to understand any other point of view, or you are a troll whose goal is to insult and incite the decent posters here. Whatever, the case may be, people should stop responding to your ignorant spew.

      • Lost in Paradise

        Mushin, I myself do not understand how anyone could kill a sweet innocent child, but there was not enough evidence to get a conviction, and was all circumstancial. Would you like to be convicted of something on circumstancial evidence only? I surly would not. This is the one time the system worked as it is supposed to. If she really did kill her child, sometime in her future, she will disintigrate,and her own death will be near. Prematurly of course. IF she is a “party girl”,like so many her life will be nothing, but one bar to another, and the same with men. If all this does not kill her, then her guilt will.

      • Mushin

        Well said; I concur.

      • George Smith

        The prosecution could not even establish beyond a reasonable doubt that a murder had been committed. While a “complete idiot” could see that she was guilty, intelligent people guided by the evidence presented and reason rather than raw emotion saw that the evidence was clearly lacking.

      • Mushin

        I’m CAN tell that your a brainless twit! Someone mentioned this ONE point Georgie – if you can’t fathom any other point (I’m trying to help the stupid people here) – Caylee is responsible for her daughter (as ANY parent would be) PERIOD.

        In plenty of other cases if would be called NEGLECT for not being totally responsible for the whereabouts and well-being of her daughter…. never mind the fact that she consistently LIED and misled police INTENTIONALLY, didn’t tell her mother that Caylee was missing for a month and refused to testify (for fear of incriminating herself).

        I could care less what you think George as your just one of the mindless masses ….regardless, Caycee has to look at herself in the mirror every morning, knowing what she did.

      • Ranger WW2

        I thought Caylee was the baby.Just asking since you’re just trying to help us stupid people out..Mushin.

    • Greg

      WELL SAID REGARDING THE EVIDENCE. THE PROCECUTION OVER CHARGED THE INDICTMENT TRYING TO SCORE POLITICSL POINTS. OOPS.

      • SJvet

        This is a totally empty argument. They had lesser charges on which they could have convicted, including second-degree manslaughter and aggravated child abuse. The prosecution presented a fine case with much evidence. Unfortunately, the average IQ of most people doesn’t permit them to process information properly.

      • Frank

        They couldn’t prove cause of death so how do you convict anyone of second degree manslaughter?

      • Push comes to shove

        As you make these statements, keep in mind that people have been convicted of murder when there was no body found at all. Circumstantial evidence was used to convict in all those cases.

        In the Casey trial there was plenty of good circumstantial evidence for a conviction, but lesser charges should have been included in the case. What a travesty that this woman will go free.

        May GOD have mercy on her soul, as she will ultimately be judged.

      • Lost in Paradise

        By the way, What is your I.Q ??

      • George Smith

        The prosecution did a very good job in making their presentation, but the evidence was weak at best. The MSM used emotion to convict Casey, but feeling that someone is guilty dose not make her so.

    • SJvet

      Obviously, your reading comprehension level is on par with the jurors in this case.

    • Ref_Who

      I agree. The evidence was not there. I watched every single moment of the trial. I knew exactly what would happen. These “arm-chair” lawyers are making statements based on their legal knowledge. What people need to remember, these are ordinary citizens. If you’ve never been on a jury in charge of deciding guilt or innocence, you have no right to discuss how this jury handled the case. I’ve been there, done that. “Beyond a reasonable doubt” has different meanings and degrees than what you think. I agree with the verdict. Blame the prosecution. There is so much more they could have presented to PROVE guilt. Why wasn’t the DNA of the maggots tested? When they ingest things, the DNA remains in their bodies. That could have PROVEN the body was in Casey’s car. Plain and simple…she may have been guilty…but it’s the State of Florida that blew this case and allowed her to go free. Shame on them!!!! But do not punish this jury.

      • hicusdicus

        I agree with you. I also think they could have convicted her on lesser charges and got her jail time. Since murder has no statute of limitations in time the truth would have prevailed. The woman’s life is over and she will have a life time of suffering. This will be a just reward for her small psychotic brain. In my case if I was ever offered a jury trial I think I would just ask for a firing squad.

      • cwely1

        The BIG error in this case (Casey Anthony) lies with the Grand Jury.
        If I were in charge of that Jury, I could not have issued a True Bill.
        The evidence was in the least tenuous, at most totally incomplete. No Prosecutor could win a case on the grounds given to him. The GJ did not find a murder (only suspected murder), by person or persons unknown, using methods not determined (only suggested.) I agree with the decisions, all 7 of those rendered by this Jury. They did a fine job considering what they had to work with. I judge them from personal experience. In New Jersey, I served in 10 different years on 2 Murder cases (1 Nolo Contendere, 1 Conviction First Degree), twice on the Grand Jury, 10 different Petite Jury Panels with many cases. I was Foreman 3 times. The State has given Casey Anthony a precious gift that she should never forget: she cannot be tried again for this murder.

    • Sues

      Furby you need to read this article once more. The intelligence of this man eclipses yours by light years. Please refrain from giving your opinion too much as it illustrates my point exactly.

      • apf2

        Or you and many more like you are trolls or the conservative movement is infested by ignorant, raving idiots. Your insults to the intelligence of furby are hilarious, since it is obviously you and a couple others posting here that are so blinded by emotion or have your heads so far up that dark sunless cavity that you cannot or will not understand that the law is what protects our liberties. The law is not a weapon of emotion to wield against all that we disagree with or despise. The law must be fairly applied, based on evidence, to demonstrate guilt–not prove innocence.
        Your assertion that she is guilty of First Degree Murder because she didn’t report her child missing is absurd. They could not say how the child died, nor who was present when she died. It is completely plausible that the mother was present and did something to kill the child. But you cannot convict on “plausible”. It is also plausible that someone was present during the death of the poor baby–with or without the mother. But this plausibility only confirms the existence of reasonable doubt.

        Your insults of those that don’t agree with mindless (as in not requiring use of the brain) analysis are only demonstration of your own faults and failings. You are not apparently a reasonable person and I would hope you are never called to jury duty. I would also hope that you never have to face a mindless jury such as the once your desired for this case.
        For

      • apf2

        I am sorry. I didn’t finish my first point–distracted by the kids…

        We need to educate the people in the conservative movement so that they not only know in their hearts what is right but can use their heads to argue and articulate it.
        These mindless insulting rants against people that understand the law (and the POTENTIAL injustice in this case) is more typical of the liberal/progressive jerks that will always try to bully and shout down those that disagree with them–then they have the gall to say that they are intellectually superior to the bullied. If you are a Christian and/or conservative, I implore you to open your mind and use that God-given gift of a brain to actually think through the situation. Read up on the law. Read up on the Founders. Understand that they feared trials where innocence was not presumed. They feared trials that were tried in the court of public opinion.

        Don’t be part of the problem. Educate yourself so you may part of the solution–we must take back our great nation and again secure life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    • George Smith

      Casey Anthony is clearly mentally ill, and most people, including the author of this article, frequently interpret signs of mental illness as evidence of guilt. Judgmental people want to punish Casey for her strange behavior and are willing to execute her for it. Unfortunately for them, reasonable doubt is sustained only if her mentally ill behavior is considered proof of her guilt. Absent the emotional misinterpretation of that behavior, there is clearly more than a reasonable doubt in the weak evidence presented by the prosecution.

      • RMCCD

        Well Said

    • Harold Olsen

      I agree. I just do not believe the prosecution made its case. They could not even say how the child died, though they offered their opinion, which is all it was and that is not evidence. Without a cause of death, how can you convict someone of murder, or that a murder had been committed?

      I really believed that there would be a guilty verdict but not on the evidence. I thought they’d convict her because of how she acted after her child went missing. She acted like an unfeeling b**ch and didn’t seem to care that Cayley was missing. I also thought that they’d convict because they didn’t like her dirt bag attorney and his tactics. Such things do happen.

      I believe the jury gave the only verdict they could. Even though I am convince Casey Anthony killed Cayley, had I been on that jury, I’d have voted not guilty as well.

      What further convinced me of her guilt was the celebrating after the verdict. Her child is dead but she and her attorneys are celebrating. No remorse about her daughter being dead. She clearly doesn’t care. It also makes me wonder if her attorney’s KNOW their client killed her daughter.

    • Eli

      Furby : Hate to put it like this to you, but you need to learn to spell or get yourself a dictionary. Your credibility is tubal with all the errors you submitted with your statement!

    • James

      Furby, a few years back, when DNA became available, 28 death-row inmates in a Chicago prison had their blood re-tested, and 13 were then adjusged to be innocent and released. One wonders how many innocent people have been put to death?
      In the Casey Anthony trial, the cause of death could not be established – the body was too decomposed. The story tendered was that Casey stumbled into the family pool and drowned, but that couldn’t be proven either. I personally believe that the child died in the trunk of her mother’s car. The taped mouth and nose appeared to be there to reduce any sound she might make before dying, but it couldn’t be established by any evidence that the child died in the car, either. That’s the problem. I don’t disagree with the verdict, someone could have strangled Casey, taped her mouth and nose, and stashed her in her mother’s trunk to fame her. If there was any doubt at all of her mother’s guilt, for first-degree murder, the verdict should have been ‘Not Guilty.’

      • Mushin

        “And THEN taped her mouth and nose”? another dope. And why would anyone do this after the fact? This is hopeless and so are you.

      • vicki

        Having read several of your comments I have observed that you have no useful evidence and simply resort to ad hominem attacks. This indicates you may well be the complete idiot (ad homenim :) that could see that she was guilty.

      • James

        The baby’s name was Caylee, and her mother’s Casey, sorry for the error.

    • Carol J

      So they turn her loose and then another jury gives a man life for protecting himself. It’s not justice at all

    • EddieW

      Furby, I didn’t really watch the case, but I porayed that if she is guilty, that she would be found guilty, but if she is not guilty, that she would be found so!! I don’t have a clue whether she is guiltuy or not…Yes, I would like to be judgemental and say, “Hang her,” but would I be right in my judgement, or totally in error!! I would rather err on the good side!!

    • CJM

      Furby: There WAS a great deal of evidence, both circumstantial AND hard, presented in this case. What we have, in this situation is what is called a rogue jury–one that disregards the judge’s instructions and the testimonies provided by both sides, fails to request clarification on issues the members did not understand (as in: what is the difference between reasonable doubt and shadow of doubt), fails in setting aside the punishment phase (remember, this was the trial phase where ONLY THE EVIDENCE is to be considered but this jury deliberated on the punishment phase, which is the judge’s job), and makes the determination based on which attorney they best identified with (so far, each juror who has come forth has alluded praise to Baez, whom they believe had a ‘monumental task’ in defending his client–it mattered not that Baez had put George Anthony on trial rather than his own client). Yes, some folks are sent to prison and that individual is truly innocent but it happens–sometimes it is a deliberate plan by the prosecution and police, sometimes it isn’t. It is up to society to continue to investigate those whom we believe are imprisoned wrongfully–and believe it or not, there are a couple agencies out there who do just that.

      • apf2

        Why is it so hard for some people to understand. With all the “evidence” presented they lacked some very basic and absolutely necessary facts: How did the child die? Who was present when the child died? From what I have seen/heard, they can’t even say when the child died.

        How can you convict ANYONE when such basic information is not available?

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