With the NWO gang members taking over I don’t give china much hope.And as far as the USA goes I don’t give it much hope either.As far as mexico goes they have all ready taking back what they want except Arizona and Texas because we refuse to give in to the feds threats and are ready to show them the door.If kalif.wants them for their votes then let them feed and cloth them but don’t expect us to help with the cost it aint gunna happen!

Yes, I have heard that. It will result in the same as Mexico. Calderon, nor any other, has succeeded in making Mexico a respected country. CA is already filled with radical groups, killing each other, why not just declare it part of Mexico.

As far as tradition, we can readily see that the new migrants never went to school or they would know better.

I’m surprised they don’t have women begging on the streets and children breathing fire yet. Seems a Mexican tradition.

We could, of course, pull the 16th amendment and quit paying taxes–en mass. Maybe that would wake some up.

And it will keep up doing so as long as they can support the habit with Federal dollars. Take away the Fed incentive and they will turn around.

Oh, yes, we should just invite everyone and give them what we cannot afford. And don’t give me that they came innocently, their parents knew. That is kind of like saying I should encourage my kid to rob a store because he is “innocent” he should not pay for my sins.

Get real, they stold the store and now want to own it.

David Warheit, Yes sir, check out the Tucson Unified Public School system pay very close attention to their H.S. Chicano/Multicultural Ethnic Studies, yes sireeeee strong attachment to the USA.

Yes, we are a melting pot of many cultures held together by a common language.

Just would like to see your list. I didn’t notice you had any objection to Clyburn calling white people “terrorists”.

lol you want to get rid of the term “retard” but not “idiot”. Idiot is a classification of one’s limited ability, a part of the delineation of “retard”.

It isn’t the objection to learning another language I have, it is obama’s role in promoting a specific bi-lingual nation.

I guess, in order to stay PC, it is a fallacy to think obama is on the side of illegals. First, he just changed illegal and slavery to “economic labor”; how’s that for a transformation? Slave owners of past housed their labor, provided food, and healthcare. obama, the master slave owner, promises the entire US will do the same, sorta like he owns the US plantation.

Then, supposingly, only a certain sector of illegals do not have the capacity to learn English. Sort of calling them “dumb”, if they actually understood the English translation. (notice, he doesn’t lump the islamics into this scenario)

Then we have “make them citizens” when citizens are unemployed.

With friends like obama, who needs enemies?

Yes, let’s just eradicate the entire language. While we are at it, let’s eliminate “whitey” and make it a Federal crime to use it. Also, “terrorist” every time it is used as a reference to Tea Partiers. And since a lot of blacks use the “n” word, are they the first to go before Federal court? What about Swartznegger? I could translate that but it would get blipped. What about other nations that use negro, as in meaning black? That takes out the entire Spanish speaking language.

FYI I would have had my mouth washed out with soap for calling a negro “black”.

Are you also advocating that since I have a little black dog, I should not refer to his antics as a monkey, too?

Get over it, retard is not meant to abuse those who are unfortunately unable to learn beyond a capacity but as a term to address one who acts like a person that is behind in thinking.

Do you want to get rid of idiot too? Just what is on your list?

Jopa, on this we agree. The way the word is used is far more than rude and cruel – in my opinion and unnecessary to use on this kind of forum.

J, how much are you paid to be an active member of America’s pc police?

jopa, do you mean Negro or Negrito?

Jopa
That is very PC of you but the fact the the n word is used constantly in LA would you have them stop saying it?The fact that I’m part black part mexican part english part scottish part german and how knows what else climbed in to the sack my wife likes the word allot when she calls me to dinner and by the way its niga or spick depending what shes making me for dinner.I’m not offended in anyway because she irish and italian and german and we get a laugh out of it.but to each its own.

Yes, and should I go to PR, I will speak Spanish, or at least attempt to. However, since many of the corporate phone lines are bussed to PR, the customer service answers in English.

Question, do residents in PR learn Spanish in school? Read and write? I hardly think your arguement holds water here. Most of the illegals cannot read nor write Spanish. We are not seeing a brain drain of illegals who are educated, the educated come in through the front door.

And an immigrant has papers. An illegal does not. PR’s are not immigrants; they are US citizens.

lol I used to give my Spanish reports to several of the “new illegal” citizens to correct. None could read them.

Yep, the same old slave language “jobs you won’t do”. Sounds just like a hundred years ago. Most of us have been fighting the old slave trade for that long too. Ironic that so many are backing slave trade in this day and age. obama comes by it by heritage, I don’t know what is wrong with the followers. Moving human traffic illegally across borders for economical gain is slavery–PERIOD.

BTW those jobs can be done by legals. WE told our legals they no longer had to do those jobs. Who did those jobs before the illegals???? Sooooooo just what do you think is going to happen when obama makes all of them legal?

Eddie47d,

The old English language would be almost impossible to understand today.Modern American Engish in a couple of hundred years from now will bare little resemblance to the English language we know today.We have a huge influx of foreign words that comes from Italian,French, German,Spanish and other cultures.These words we hear everyday,so everybody better get used to it,English like Latin may be one day a dead language.So are the others.

English is divided into three periods: Old English (ca. 449-1100), Middle English (ca.
1100-1500), and Modern English (ca. 1500-). While many people think of Shakespeare’s
English as old, Shakespeare wrote and spoke Modern English, albeit, an early form of it.
Chaucer’s poetry, including his most famous work, The Canterbury Tales, are a good
examples of Middle English poetry. Beowulf, which probably dates to some time between
700 – 1000 CE, is an Old English poem. Old English is sometimes known as Anglo-
Saxon.
It would be wrong to believe that the English language just changed from Old English
to Middle English in 1100 and from Middle English to Modern English in 1500. These
shifts took place over hundreds of years. It is important to realize that the wide-spread
notion of a standard language or even of standardized spelling are modern notions only
made possible by the printing press. Not only did the printing press made wide-scale
distribution possible, it provided the ability to fix language in time on a grand scale,
thereby slowing down the process of language change.
However, while English was always changing, the dates 1100 CE and 1500 CE, while
approximate, are significant for the English language. Although major grammatical and
phonetic changes took place throughout the Old English period, the Norman invasion of
1066 and its resulting influx of French words into the language meant that the English of
1100 was much more different from the English of 1000 than the differences between the
English of 900 and the English of 1000. Likewise, while English underwent a number of
grammatical and phonetic changes throughout the Middle English period, the fifteenth
century saw such a radical change in the pronunciation of English that 1500 serves as a
useful date for the shift from Middle to Modern English.
Old English makes use of unfamiliar letters, most of which derive from the runic
alphabet, an alphabet used by the Germanic peoples. These letters are ” ” (thorn) and ” ”
(eth) (often used interchangeably to represent the “th” sound of “that” and “thin”), ” ”
(ash) (the vowel sound in cat), and wyn, which represents “w” and is rarely used in
modern editions of Old English texts. If you look at a picture of the first page of Beowulf,
you can see two capital wyns in the first line. They are the second and fifth letters:
“H[wyn]ÆT [wyn]E GARDE.” When looking at the manuscript page, you’ll also notice
one additional unfamiliar looking letter, ” ” which is the letter “g.”
While Old English can look quite foreign at first glance, it can also look and sound
surprisingly modern when one knows a few basics. Consider, for instance, the sentence
which is repeated multiple times in Beowulf. ” ” represents a “th”
sound. is the “a” in cat, and the “o” in god is pronounced just as if you were saying
“go” but holding the “o” a little bit longer than you normally would. Knowing this, it is
not hard to recognize the first three words as “That was good.” While that last word may
be a little more difficult, it is still recognizable. The “c” in cyning is pronounced as a “k”
and the word itself is pronounced just as if you were adding a “ing” to the word “kin” (kin
+ ing). Once you know how to pronounce cyning, it is not a stretch to see how the
pronunciation of the Old English word could have simplified to our modern day “king.”
Putting all this together, we can now recognize the Old English sentence
to be our Modern English sentence “That was [a] good king.”
Chapters 1 and 2 of The Electronic Introduction to Old English,
http://www.wmich.edu/medieval/research/rawl/IOE/index.html, provide a more detailed
explanation of Old English and its relation to Modern English, and chapter 16.2 provides
more information on the Old English alphabet, including a picture of all the letters in
order.
Poetics
Note: No one translation of Beowulf will foreground or even have all the poetic elements
that exist in the original Old English. A translation that tries to be true to the alliterative
verse may have done so by ignoring such features as compounding, formulas, and even
variation. Likewise, translations that try to represent the phrasing of Beowulf, and thereby
preserving a sense of the formulas and variation, will often have little or no alliteration.
Alliteration: Alliteration is the repetition of stressed sounds, particularly consonants
from the beginning of words or syllables. Poetically, alliteration can has a similar
function as rhyme. An example of alliteration is the tongue-twister “She sells seashells by
the sea shore.”
Compounding: Old English poetry makes extensive use of compounding, the combining
of two words to make a new word. An example is feorhseoc, literally “life-sick” (feorh =
life, seoc = sick), which can be translated as mortally wounded. A more common
example can be found in the first line of Beowulf: Gar-Dena, literally “Spear-Danes”
(gar = spear, Dena = Danes). Compounding may be done to meet the needs of the
alliterative meter, as part of a formula, or to make a new word.
Kennings: Kennings are a special form of compounding that are metaphoric in meaning.
For example, the kenning banhus (ban + hus), literally “bone-house,” refers to the human
body; hronrad (hron + rad), literally “whale’s road,” refers to the sea; and rodores
candel, literally “sky’s candle,” refers to the sun.
Formulas: Like Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey, Beowulf makes use of stock phrases, known
as formulas. Formulas are believed to be ready-made phrases which fulfill the metrical
needs of a line or half-line, and are believed to be a standard tool of an oral poet. While
some scholars argue that the existence of formulas in a poem must mean the poem has its
origins as oral poetry, not everyone agrees with this belief. Extensive use of formulas
tends to give a poem a lofty and highly traditional character.
Examples of formulas in Beowulf are Gomban gyldan “pay tribute” (line 11), geong
in geardumˆ”young in the courtyard” (line 13), folce to frofre “as a comfort to the
people”(line 14), and (lines 529, 631, 957, etc.) are all
half-line formulas, and all but are found in other Old English poems as
well.
Variation: Another common stylistic feature of Old English poetry is the use of
variation, which is the restatement of a concept or term using different words. A simple
form of variation can be seen in the formula used in line 429:
(Beowulf spoke, the son of ). Here the second half of the line provides
a second identifier for Beowulf. A more complex form of variation can be seen in the
lines 1408 – 1411:
(The nobleman’s son then passed
the steep rocky cliffs, the narrow path,
the narrow single-file path, an unknown way,
precipitous headland, the homes of many water-monsters.)
Variation is not used as filler, but fulfills a few important functions. On a practical
level, as we can not just stop and check a fact during an oral performance as we can while
reading, variation reminds the audience of important facts. Because the poet constantly
reminds us that Beowulf is son, we are much more likely to remember who
is when he is important to the poem. Variation also allows the poet to present an
event, or image from multiple perspectives, each providing additional information or
shedding new light on the events. Compare, for example, Grendel’s approach to Heorot,
which is told three times in succession (lines 702b-727), or compare Beowulf’s report to
Hygelac about what happened at Hrothgar’s court with the narration of those events.
Versification: Beowulf, like all Old English poetry, is written in alliterative verse, a
verse form that uses alliteration as one of the major organizing principles of a poetic line.
While Shakespeare’s poetry, often written in iambic pentameter, uses a syllabic meter (we
count the number of syllables), Old English alliterative verse uses an accentual meter of
four stressed beats and an undetermined number of unstressed beats per line. A typical
Old English alliterative line consists of two half-lines separated by a strong pause known
as a caesura. The third stress of a line always alliterates with either the first and/or the
second stress, and the fourth stress never alliterates. In Old English alliterative verse, any
vowel can alliterate with any other vowel. (Rhyme is so rare in Old English poetry that
the one poem that does rhyme is known as “The Riming Poem.”) Here is an example of
Old English alliterative verse, taken from Beowulf:
In the first line, is the first half-line and is the second
half-line. a, and are all stressed beats, and oft is an unstressed
beat. The line’s alliteration is on the consonant cluster “sc” (pronounced as our modern
“sh”). The line could just as easily have read or
. What is important is that the third stress alliterates with
one or both of the stresses in the first half of the line.
For a more detailed discussion of Old English poetics, including the rhythm of Old
English alliterative verse, see chapters 13 and 14 of The Electronic Introduction to Old
English, http://www.wmich.edu/medieval/research/rawl/IOE/index.html

If a child and his parents cannot speak fluent English they should not be in this country much less enrolled in school.
“O”ne “B”ig “A”ss “M”istake “A”merica

You are not looking at the big picture, sir. Albeit there are other important issues that need to be addressed, ignoring this one will come back and bite us all. While in America, foreigners must strive to learn to speak and write in English. And do so until it becomes their second language. No one will be excused. Everyone in my family (4) is fully bilingual (English/Spanish). My elder son also knows French, Portuguese and Italian, enough to communicate very well. He also “dabbles” in Chinese. Foreigners who willfully speak their native language, pretending Americans “understand” their “position” are only thinking of the day our Constitution becomes toilet paper!

steve in AZ says:
June 30, 2011 at 8:43 am
This is a non-issue. All of us here have more important concerns to discuss. In whichever language we are able.

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BULL$H!T

Oh, I love the “cease to pay for it” which brings in the 16th amendment. We do NOT have to pay taxes. There is no law that states we do. Even IRS states it is a “voluntary compliance”. I am with you on this one.

That also brings up the Constitional amendment they want now to balance the budget. If this goes through, are they in fact trying to back door the Fed tax issue?

I agree with the public safety bilingual idea. But what about a graduation speech? How does this require duality of language in the USA. Are the graduates fluent in English? I guess they passed all their classes in Spanish. This means the taxpayer paid for those Spanish books. This is what we are sick of paying for. BS like this must stop.

John Beach – “If it is a matter of public safety, can we afford not to print in any language other than English?”

Yes we can… Learn the language or go the way of the dodo. Very simple.

“If we can’t understand them and they don’t want to understand us,”

The operative words here are “don’t want to understand us,” If they do not WANT to understand us they need to get on a slow ship to somewhere else. Those who truly want to be here and come here legaly mostly attempt to learn English at least well enough to get by. I know adults have more trouble learning a new language than someone of school age but almoat all of them can learn English well enough to communicate.

The problem is not the legal immigrants, but the ILLEGAL ALIENS and their anchor babies! Since we are withdrawing from Afganistan, let’s send the troops to the border and secure/seal it. Deport ILLEGAL ALIENS and send them to the back of the line for immigration. By the way did anyone see the AP article where several demonstartors in GA “cameout” and revealed they were ILLEGAL ALIENS. The article went on to qoute these demonstrators as working in the US with fake ID and “borrowed” social security numbers. So the Democrats want to show compassion for their illegal immigration status, but how the he!! do they explain away the illegal documentation! This is also a good case to shut the flaptraps of those that advocate punishing businesses. This is the job of ICE not the HR director!

I don’t know your point when trying to equate communism and liberalism as if they were one and the same. The truth is that they are the opposite; communism kills liberalism. Have you ever seen a ‘liberal’ commnist country? no, you have not, and the reason is that communism is a very conservative, yes, ‘conservative’ system where liberals are persecuted because of their believes of expanded freedom, etc. Ironically, conservatives here fail to realize how much they have in common with communism.

Actually they spoke vulgar latin or what Romanians speak today,as a result of legion campaigns in Dacia,2nd century BC.Larevedere….-CC.

Ah, yes, Castillian Spanish, not the language of the largest sector of illegals.

Maryland FreeStater, we are already a Balkan state, take a trip around the USA. Sad but True!

Not patting myself on my back but I sign language one word in all languages!

LOL…yeah, that’s why I tempered the limitless opportunties statement with the key word “almost”!

HERE HERE JEEP, RIGHT ON!

Well stated Jeep,….cheers!

sc
I find your use of “retards” offensive. I’m not a PC person, but give my Down Syndrome brother some respect . . . he speaks English better than those of whom you speak.

I disagree that English is a dying language.

It is being butchered, that is true. The average person has a poor grasp of syntax, punctuation and spelling. They write phonetically (“foneticly”), and it is painful to read, but the LANGUAGE is not dying in the same way as French, for example.

But to have a post match football game in LA conducted in Spanish!!!!! That is appalling.