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Slavery To Continue At Walmart

June 28, 2011 by  

Slavery To Continue At Walmart

In a June 20 ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court struck a note for liberty when it overruled Federal courts in San Francisco that had allowed all women who worked for Walmart since December 1998 to join in a single, nationwide suit seeking back pay. I say struck a note for liberty, because this was about far more than Walmart’s winning out over a bunch of high-priced litigators who represented a group of ungrateful Walmart employees.

The court ruled that the 1.5 million women at 3,400 Walmart stores in the United States had too little in common to allow a class-action lawsuit to move forward. In the court’s opinion, there was no proof that Walmart employed a general policy of “systemic discrimination.”

What makes the Supreme Court’s decision especially delightful is that the law firm of Cohen Milstein Sellers & Toll lost roughly $7 million in pursuing this classic deep-pockets case. It’s enough to make one fantasize about how different our court system (and our economy) would be if attorneys who lost frivolous lawsuits would be required to pay the winners’ legal fees.

But let’s get back to Walmart’s employees. Forget that Walmart is the No. 1 employer in the country, employing 1.4 million Americans in 4,424 stores. (Worldwide, Walmart employs more than 2.1 million people in 9,198 stores.) Forget that Walmart saves consumers billions of dollars each year on retail purchases. Forget that its employees, on average, earn about double the minimum wage. It doesn’t matter how much good Walmart does, the raw-meat crowd continues to call for beheadings. Bring on the Jacobins!

The word from some disgruntled employees has long been that Walmart doesn’t treat its employees “fairly” — whatever that’s supposed to mean. But, definitions aside, this is your lucky day. Because if you think Walmart is “unfair,” guess what? You don’t have to shop there.

Wow! What a novel idea: shopping with your feet. If you don’t like the fact that Walmart carries too many products made in “sweatshop” countries, shop with your feet. If you believe Walmart puts smaller retailers out of business and you’re unhappy about that, shop with your feet.

Nevertheless, to make it easy on the social-justice crowd, let’s assume there is such a thing as absolute fairness. And let’s further assume that Walmart does, indeed, treat its employees unfairly. That, of course, begs the question: What in the world can be done to protect Walmart’s paid slaves?

More good news: In a truly free society, unfair treatment of employees would never be an issue, because workers would be free to sell their services for the highest possible wages in the open market. If someone chose to work at Walmart, he would do so only because he believed, consciously or otherwise, that it afforded him the best opportunity to be adequately compensated for his skills, his experience and his efforts.

An employer doesn’t ask a job applicant to present a list of his job requirements when he submits his application. On the contrary, the employer lets the applicant know, in advance, what the company’s conditions of employment are.

If those conditions call for 15-hour workdays, minimum-wage pay and no paid sick leave, so be it. How can I say such a dastardly thing? Because an employee not only does not have to take such a job, he also has the right to quit his job at any time.

Furthermore, since an unhappy employee is free, he can apply for another job anywhere he chooses. No permission needed. On the other hand, if he chooses to stay in his present employment situation, he is making a clear statement that he believes it’s the best position he can hope to obtain at that particular time. If this were not true, he would be insane, or perhaps masochistic, to remain in his present job.

It doesn’t take a Ludwig von Mises to explain it. In a free market, everything works smoothly because both employers and employees are free to make their own choices. It’s only when government bureaucrats or labor thugs (aka labor unions) enter the picture that freedoms are violated.

All government intervention between employers and employees results in infringements on the rights of one or the other — or both. The same goes with labor unions. The actions of most labor unions are fundamentally immoral and in violation of the Constitutional rights of both employees and employers.

The so-called union shop is a violation of the natural rights of every employee who is forced to join a union against his will — even without the new card-check legislation being proposed by the National Labor Relations Board. And, worse, it is a violation of the rights of an employer to hire whomever he wants, whenever he wants, for whatever reasons are important to him.

Unfortunately, that’s not reality in today’s People’s Republic of America. After decades of artificially high wages and benefits, job-protection schemes and government-mandated safety standards, spoiled American workers demand still more.

I would make the case that an excellent investment for Walmart would be to spend mega-millions of dollars to educate its employees about the morality and efficacy of liberty and laissez-faire economics. It would be a lot less expensive than the draconian legal fees it is certain to continue incurring in the coming years.

Now that we’ve come face to face with the ugly realities of Marxism in the United States, it’s time for corporate leaders to man up and start educating their own employees, as well as the public at large, about the wonders of capitalism. History has clearly taught us what to expect if good men do nothing.

However, educating muddled minds does not begin with the worker; it begins with big business. If corporate America does not truly believe in laissez-faire capitalism, why should its workers? And if it does believe in laissez-faire capitalism, but is unwilling to suffer “mortification of the flesh” (in the words of Frank Chodorov) in presenting the truth to the public, then the case for free enterprise is lost.

In the meantime, it’s up to each of us to become proactive and not wait for corporate America to come to our rescue. Take every opportunity you can get to extol the virtues of capitalism; when you do so, you extol the virtues of freedom. It’s true that you are but one person in a sea of millions, but it is completely within your power to be part of the solution to America’s ills rather than part of the problem.

If the Supreme Court can rule in favor of liberty, anything is possible.

–Robert Ringer

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  • Insurgent

    The executive, the legislative, and the judicial branches of the US government are just like a bunch of whores———————they can ALL be bought with big money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Doug

      And right now we have the biggest illegal (PIMP DADDY) president of all times!

  • http://NONE DAN PENCE

    IF WALMART EMPLOYEES HAVE TO ACCEPT THE COURTS DECISION, SO BE IT I ALSO AGREE WITH THE COURTS DECISION.WALMART TELLS YOU UP FRONT THE RULES OF EMPLOYMENT, IF YOU AGRE WITH THOSE RULES THEN LIVE WITH THEM OR FIND ANOTHER JOB, THAT IS ONE OF YOUR FREEDOMS IN THIS COUNTRY.AND I ALSO WONDER WHY AMERICA CHANGES THE RULES FOR MUSLIMS, IN THIS COUNTRY. THEY DIDN,T CHANGE THEM FOR WALMART EMPLOYEES. IF MUSLIMS DONT LIKE AMERICAS RULES ONE OF YOUR FREEDOMS IS TO FIND ANOTHER COUNTRY TO LIVE IN. GOOD BYE ,AND GOD BLESS WHATEVER COUNTRY YOU CHOOSE TO LIVE IN.

    • Donald

      There is no free choice when you have to take whatever job comes along just to put food on the table. Or do you really think they unemploment rate is high because there are lots of jobs available?

      Why should management pay Americans when they can get Chinese and Indians to do the same work for much less? Now, they don’t even hire people who have been laid off for more than 6 months.

      By the way, how are the unemployed going to get the money to move to another country. Haitians have tried this for years and a lot of them end up drowning at sea. Some choice.

      • Commonsense

        Hey dougie, I live in small town America, and in just about any store in town here, I can walk in, get an application, and get a job. About a half dozen employers here take on slacker crap that works just long enough to go back on unemployment. Hell, I was standing in an auto parts store last year when a kid in his twenties ask the manager for an app and at the same time wanted the manager to sign his “looking for work” slip. The manager said he would sign it if the kid didn’t qualify for the job, but he first had to fill out the app and turn it in. The kid told the manager to “F*** Off!”, threw the app across the and stormed out the door. The kid didn’t want the job, he wanted a hand out. Around here, that’s why unemployment is so high. Almost 2 years of hand out before you need to look for a job. You’re probably just like the kid I mentioned above. Prove me wrong and tell me where you work. I’ll video tape you at your workplace for a month

      • Commonsense

        donald, not dougie. Sorry

      • karolyn

        Gee, where do you live? I’m sure a lot of people would want to know where there is a place that has readily available jobs! Is it in Texas? (which is about the only state doing well these days.)

      • independant thinker

        Arkansas, while perhaps not doing as well as Texas is never the less doing muich better than the nation as a whole.

      • Retiredarmyman

        Karolyn,
        please do not move there to get a job.
        That state is doing well because they don’t subscribe to the liberal mindset, they try to balance their checkbook, and they believe they have a duty to give a fair days labor for a fair days wage!
        The businesses also believe that a fair wage is due to any worker that gives a fair days work!

        That is the heart of the free enterprise system!

      • newton

        texas in some ways is a horrible state. the weather is hot and miserable in the summer, the humidity is unbearable. it has more big nasty insects than any state ive ever lived in. its got more deadly snakes than any other place ive ever lived in. more stupid rednecks than any other southern state ive ever been lived in. this is just my opinion though based on my personal experience.
        but on the positive side, karolyn is right theyre one of the only states that are doing well. if youre a crimminal there , you murder ,good chance youll recieve the death penalty. taxes are lower,theres more jobs, they have the best barbaque. the people there while some are redneck rearends people there are generally friendly, not hung up on p.c the people even the minorities have a sense of humor. in a few years i hope to move back down there. the majority of people in texas when it comes to voting and politics have better sense than many other states.

      • Push comes to shove

        Lets add to that

        We would be able to manufacture at better prices if not for the regulations, high taxation, and high union wages forced on us by our government. Oh yeah how about high insurance costs for all the people who sue companies because they don’t like this or that.

        And yes you should take whatever job that comes along if that means providing for yourself and your family. You can always continue looking for something better while working that job.

  • Sutekh

    I despise WalMart. I never shop there. It is a commercial wasteland. Someone told me to go to WalMart to buy a computer because they are cheap. I bought one from my local computer shop, run by a guy who works on the computers and ensures that they actually work before you buy them, and can upgrade or retune them quickly. WalMart is nothing but a catalogue store for China.

    I am sorry that so many people are dependent upon WalMart for their jobs. But under liberal theories, I should sue WalMart for carrying nonAmerican produced goods, and if that doesn’t work, I should sue the people who shop there for helping it stay in business. But the reason that so many people are dependent upon Walmart for their jobs is that the American public is only interested in money, and would buy salvation from Satan if he could provide it cheaper than God.

    Life isn’t fair. I’m much more concerned about how unfair the current administration is than I am over WalMart. At least WalMart can’t steal your money back from you by printing counterfeit money. A descendant of East African slave traders is in the White House, a man who subscribes to the marxist concept of national slavery, but we are worried about Walmart. Our outlook is completely out of focus.

    Sutekh

    • jimmy the greek

      Well sead !

  • old1

    This all started when employeers were forced to hire unqualified workers to fill quotas set by those on the Communist left. When the qualified workers all got promotions, while the unqualified affirmative action slackers remained at the bottom, discontent set in. Anytime you deal the cards from the bottom of the deck the game is corrupted and reality runs for the back door! This is not about anyones race creed or color it all revolves around ones inteligence. Some employees are just more inteligent than others and get the promotions. Those that don’t are just fullfilling natures age old plan, survival of the fittest. Survival of the fittest never gains favor among a Communist gathering for they all know they are all substandard. That’s why they embrace the Communist left. Competition scares them for they know their position. I’m truly amazed WalMart does as well as they do with such a large group of underclass employees. Their management staff must be truly gifted.

    • Donald

      How do you know so much about “Communist Gatherings”?

      • Doug

        Simple Donald look around you our government employees and union employees and most liberals are communist. We fought the cold war to stop Communism but here today its right out in the open and people are so F**** stupid they do nothing about it. I mean come on look at almost all the polticians from such amoral states such as California and NY to name a few what idiotS

      • STACY YEALOCK

        I believe what (Old1) is refering to is that -any- employer only has two kinds of employees, assets and liabilites. Employees that strive to do their best (assets) and the ones that only show up for work just to get a check, (liabilites)

      • Retiredarmyman

        Would you all just look at this…
        Stacy obviously gets it.
        I had a small business for a few years when I was younger.
        The liabilities are why I only had three people, they worked with me NOT for me, we split the work and the returns (money) equally.
        Why? because they did as much work as I did. It wasn’t really an employee / employer relationship, more like a business partnership.
        I taught them everything I know about roofing and they eventually got their own contracts. Once again we split the work in order to keep our jobs from being taken by the Illegal Mexican Immigrants (liabilities).
        That was in south central Texas, in 1984 / 86, the problem is even worse now.

  • Donald

    Ringer’s theory falls apart because Labor, unlike money, is not free to move. In the real world, there are not enough jobs available to allow workers to quit a job they don’t like. They have to put food on the table. Especially now in a depression when their are far more people seeking work than there are jobs to be had. Ringer would really be happy if there were no child labor laws to interfere with management’s ability to maximize profit. By the way, since women are often paid less than men for the same kind of work, would Ringer suggest that they have sex change operations if they really want equal pay.

    • http://personalliberty.com David

      You’re living in the past. Come into the 21st century where women are paid every bit as much as men, sometimes more, for the same work. To say that they are an oppressed class is to not be aware of the facts. You fail to realize when suite similar to this take money from a company or individual mostly due to people such as yourself sitting on juries there is a cost to everyone, and for what? A lawyer is richer today than yesterday and you call that justice?! More cases should be judged as was this one so the hordes of money grabers will realize that if they spent their time working instead of looking for a ride on someone else’s back who has done nothing to deserve it they would, indeed, be better off; but who will tell them the truth behind their actions and give them what they deserve: NOTHING!

      • Donald

        At WalMart they dresswed the way they’re told. In this case, to sell jewelry

      • Doug

        Next thing we are going to have government workers and union workers telling us how under paid and over work they are too!

      • karolyn

        YOU come into the 21st century! Women are STILL not paid as much as men for the same work!

      • Bleh

        Guess you never heard of the Equal Pay Act of 1963. It is law and if you can prove your accusation then perhaps you have a valid lawsuit.
        Of course I can list one place where you are absolutely dead wrong and that is the military where pay is based on grade and time in grade period.

      • Kinetic1

        Bleh,
        That was the point of this suit, to prove that WalMart violated the law. Can you imagine a single Walmart employee trying to take on their corporate lawyers? I expect to see at least some of the women grouping together for round 2, but it’s a hard climb with the current Supreme Court.

    • DeeFayette

      Well, Donald, if you are the smart man you claim to be, let me ask if you have created any jobs for those that you claim can’t find jobs.

      Or are you the lazy one that expects government to control everything?

      Liberals/progressives love to control via the force of government rather than compete in the free marketplace of ideas, where they know most everything they dream up…will fail. If Government programs are so GOOD, why must they be mandatory? Why doesn’t one have the choice to participate in Social Security or not. Why doesn’t one have the choice to participate in Medicare or not. Is it because those programs can not compete in a free market? Oh, that’s right, the elitist that created them just knowing the common citizen is to dumb to know what is best for their own good, so they must be forced to pay their premiums.

      If all you liberals have such a great plan for health care in this country why do you just form your own health care insurance company to provide the insurance to those that can’t afford it rather than force your communist ideas down everybody’s throat. I’m sure there are millions of liberals that will voluntarily contribute to subsidize the policies for others that can’t afford it on their own. Oh, that would mean you’d have to cough up the money for what you believe to be a great idea, but it wouldn’t force others that don’t believe as you do, to comply. Liberals/Progressive/Communist must once again use the force of Government to get behavioral conformity.

  • Bob Davis

    THE IDEA THAT ALL EMPLOYEES WHO SEEK A JOB AS STOCK CLERK OR CASHIER WILL BECOME MANAGERS IS NOT SERIOUS THINKING. PEOPLE ARE VERY DIFFERENT. SOME ARE VERY MOTIVATED, SOME VERY SMART, SOME EDUCATED. FOT THE LOWER COURTS TO HAVE AGREED TO LUMP ALL FEMALE EMPLOYEES TOGETHER IS THE PLAIN IGNORANCE THE COURTS USUALLY DISPLAY IN THEIR JUDGEMENTS.
    ALSO SOME OF THE EMPLOYEES TOOK THEIR JOBS BASED ON REMAINING IN THAT CAPACITY, SOME MOTIVATED PEOPLE EXPRESS A DESIRE TO ADVANCE WHEN HIRED. SOME CANNOT NOR DO THEY EVER WANT TO BE A MANAGER. sHOULD THEY BE ENRICHED AS IF THEY DID EXPECT PROMOTION. NO,NO,NO.

  • Jon Dee

    The largest retail markateer in the world has a waiting line for folks who would really like to be a wage earner employee of WalMart.

    Enter one disaffected employee with allusions of a multimillion dollar suit settlement by all-to-willing shyster Lawyers.

    Lord deliver our land from over zealous Lawyers seeking bonnanza settlements exacted from the very motivated and industrious people and Institutions that provide the wealth of our Nation; OFF WITH THIER HEADS.
    Jon Dee

  • Pilgrim

    My wife worked for Walmart. Walmart would systematically under staff departments. If and when she could get a break….she would have to walk across the store to the break room….Walmart has a policy that if a customer asks you a question during this time that you are to engage the customer and lead the customer to the item they are seeking. This time is still considered the associates break time. Same went for lunch breaks. Walmart is not employee friendly, quite the opposite. Walmart lost a case in Pennsylvania over these practices but they were part of the “Walmart Way” and in place everywhere. It was a job when she needed a job, that is the most that can be said for the experience.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Pilgrim, ALL companies systematically understaff they’re departments. My Husband & Daughter work for a National Chain retail store. They do it all the time. AND, The hours they work are determined by the amount of store sales. Here again, if someone doesn’t like the treatment or the job, they’re free to leave and find something else!
      Keep in mind, If you work for these companies and they cut your checks, they call the shots, not the workers.

      • karolyn

        But the company does not exist without the workers!

      • Angel Wannabe

        karolyn__ and the workers wouldn’t work without the company, would they?__one hand feeds the other!

      • Angel Wannabe

        Karaokn, ya wann be a boss, or a company then take the Boss’s'companies risks. Nothing is served on a silver platter!
        Each level presents its own set of problems!

      • Retiredarmyman

        Karolyn,
        from my understanding of your posts, you are one of three things:
        1) Blindly indoctrinated and swallowing the Liberal Party line,
        2) A communist, or
        3) A Socialist.
        All of the above are reasons for the demise of free enterprise in this nation.
        Read the constitution, it says We the people, not US the government and you the indentured.
        If you don’t like what big corporations are doing fix it. Remember when you go to the polls in NOV 2012 that you get exactly what you ask for.
        Vote conservative and the liberal elitist problem will go away, It just takes all of the people to wake up and realize what’s going on.
        And QUIT running to court every time someone hurts you itty bitty feelings, that’s why health care, auto insurance, and life insurance is so damned expensive.

        As was stated earlier in a little bit different way: Business is in the buisness of making MONEY, not charity. If you want charity go to Church, if you want to make a living go to work. It really is that simple.

    • jimmy the greek

      you got that right !

    • Doug

      Funny you say understaff but what you really should be saying is they are understaffed because how many employees called in sick? Try run a business and see how well you do with being nice to people who call off sick all the time and have not work ethic.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Doug, I had a small buisness and also worked for other companies for a couple years. I found that Most folks who continue to blame large companies for “unfair treatment” are the employees, and they’re unwillingness to stoop beyond what they deem is fair. Nothings Fair, & then ya Die!__Folks need to get over it and get on with it!

      • karolyn

        That’s a terrible motto to live by! Talk about jaded!

      • Angel Wannabe

        karolyn, call it what you will, we each got a life to live. I don’t have the time to sit around and p*ss and moan about who’s rich and poor. We were poor as church mice when I was a kid. Mama was sick from the time I was born and Daddy worked the Mill. Just because we were born in poverty doesn’t mean ya have to stay there, unless your content to do so. A lot of it is a choice, ya take the good with the bad, on the rise up or the fall, just as these major companies did when they risked it all!
        Get over it!

      • Bleh

        Nothing in life is fair. You need to learn to deal with it as have many throughout the centuries.
        The Marines have it right: Improvise, Adapt and Overcome.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Bleh, At’s what I’m sayin!__Now thats a GOOD MOTTO! :)

      • JeffH

        Bleh, I couldn’t agree more! :)
        When the goin’ gets tough, the tough get goin’.

      • Retiredarmyman

        Bleh,
        That’s right! When the going gets the tough get going, the weak whiny babies roll over and suck on the government tit.
        That crap is going to bankrupt us all! What happened to schools teaching nothing is free?

        Never-mind, I forgot about the whole “No child left behind” thing.
        Dumbest thing a Bush ever did, and they have pulled some real winners.

        Senior turned down the offer of 10K in gold coin for each and every service member who was involved in Desert Storm because “We aren’t Mercenaries”, problem is We Are Mercenaries. Just that we are mercenaries with a lot of loyalty to our country. I know I could have used the money.
        Then Junior pulled the stunts he pulled.

        And, Predictably, the population had a knee jerk reaction and voted for someone because he was black, the whites felt guilty about slavery, and the other part of the population believed the lies.
        Everyone was sure that “O” would be the great uniter! Instead he has become the Great race baiter.

        “Obviously the police acted stupidly”
        –Barrack H. Obama–

        To that quote I say:
        “Political Dissent is NOT Racism, even though President Obama apparently thinks it is”
        –Me–

  • American Citizen

    The schools need to do a better job of teaching economics. The fact that so many people are in trouble financially shows they don’t work off a budget nor have any idea of how to handle their money. They also need a good civics class to educate them on what government is for – a servant of the people and not a big sugar daddy.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      …agreed, but the ‘civics’ classes of today are teaching a very different doctrine of ‘what government is for’. Perhaps a better course might be ‘How this country was founded and why”. The challenge will be to get someone to teach that class with honor, dignity and truth.

  • H.L. McConnell

    WalMart has cost millions of jobs by turning the downtown sections of smalltown America into ghost towns. Many century businesses were lost to the families who built them along with all the employees, their families and the sense of community. Money for WalMart goods goes to China – who supplies almost 80% of the items sold in WalMart. So Americans are employed at low wages to supply other low-wage Americans with goods made basically by slave-wage workers in China. ? That’s a good thing? These lawsuits are/were a long time coming and are very necessary. If Americans each have over $100,000 in taxation pending for the numerous bailouts and QE’s, how will they pay it on the wages WalMart pays? The future looks grim. Read Nickeled and Dimed – a good book on the subject. To herald WalMart as a great corporation is tantamount to burning The Constitution. Someone here has not done their homework. Not all big business is a value to the U.S. – and we will see some big corps go down in the next leg.

    • Bob Marshall

      Good post. Lot of truth. I watched a documentary on Netflix where it showed how many small businesses across America were forced to close because Wal-Mart moving into their community. Wal-Mart is the largest store of its kind in the world. I talked to some employees and they are paid a little more than the minium wage. Bad as that is that is nothing compared to Indonesia where the employees are paid two dollars per day. twelve hour days. Six days per week and no overtime pay. These workers would love to make our minium wage.Place like McDonalds’ and Wal-Mart know in todays economy they have the upper hand. Most of the jobs today either go to government workers or the highly skilled.something most people forgot about is interstates.Sure travel became easier and faster but small towns and communites sufferd greatly. Many businesses had to close.

    • Push comes to shove

      Caveman says “Business bad, government good”

      We are in this mess because of Gov’t interference. We wouldn’t need to pay for bailouts QE if government would keep thier hands out of the cookie jar. The taxation and regulations by gov’t has led to the current situation, less manufacturing, uber high union wages/benefits, etc., not Wal-Mart or other large corporations.

      Do some small businesses go out of business because of Wal-Mart, yes, but that is what happens in a FREE market place when someone provides products/services for a better price than thier competitor, and people FREELY chose to spend thier monies on those lower priced products or services. As for ghost town old downtown districts, i pass through many of them and they thrive with specialty shops that Wal-Mart does not compete with (Bridal shops, photo studios, restaurants, etc.) and are small owner ran businesses.

    • Bleh

      None of what you said justifies a lawsuit based on discrimination. Much of what you say requires other actions that preclude civil lawsuits, instead it would require a fundamental change in the way consumers buy their goods based mostly on cost and somewhat on ease of access.
      Good luck with that.

    • Dave

      Agreed. I’am a conservative Republican; and absolutely DETEST the liberal idealogy of; ” Gimmee; Gimmee; Gimmee.’ BUT; i also worked in a union shop for 18 years. There are good and bad companies in the United States; like there are good and bad Unions. WAL – MART is NOT a good company to work for; either financially OR for a career. Every single person i’ve ever spoken to; who worked at WAL- MART; had a relative or neighbor who worked there; or knew someone who worked there; ALL said the same thing. They treat you like Sh–. That said; they DO seem to get the bottom of the barrel as far as employees with any work ethic. As far as WAL – MART being a good or great American company; well; lets just say you have to be on some serious medication to actually believe that. I read the article. The individual who wrote this is nothing more than a blind hack for corporate America.

  • Jennie

    Sorry, should have said “people who would be hurt by high prices that a lawsuit would bring.

  • BOB REIN

    Dear Kinetic 1…….What contributions have you made to this society, ??how many jobs have you provided in this free market system?? How many families who make the products that sell at the Walmarts of this world have you fed and provided for???.You apparently fail to see the big picture….yes I’m sure the Walmarts, the Henry Fords, the Micro Softs of the world have their bad points, but without them..millions of families would directly and indirectly be unemployed,,,but I’m sure that the government would take up the slack with your tax money….face the facts….I would much rather have the so called “robber barons” of the world who actually contribute than the bureaucratic government employee or politician who produces or provides nothing…I’m trying not to make this personal but quit whining…..maybe you prefer a system that enables the Stalin’s and the Mao’s of the world to provide equality and fairness to the masses…they only killed over 100 million of their own people trying to make everything fait and equitable!!!

    • Jeryl

      Well said, Bob.

    • Donald

      Henry Ford at least paid his workers enough so they could afford to buy one of his cars.

      • Kinetic1

        Donald and Bob,
        I never said anything about Henry Ford. And your right, he wanted his employees to be able to afford the cars they built. Too bad that in more recent years his company became one that put money above safety.

    • DaveH

      Kinetic probably is employed by the Federal Government and works half as hard as his civilian counterparts while getting twice their pay.
      So don’t expect him to understand the average citizens’ plight.

      • Kinetic1

        DaveH,
        He shoots and … it’s a miss. I’ve outlined much of my work history before and I’m not going to bother for your edification. Suffice it to say that, while I have been working since the age of 14 I have never worked for any government.

  • Bob G

    I don’t shop there only because the place is too damn big.
    And the people are scary sometimes.

    • Matt

      I don’t shop there only because the place is too damn big.
      “And the people are scary sometimes”.

      SOMETIMES……how about MOST OF THE TIMES” :-) I go there instead of the City Zoo because there is no entrance fee ;-)

  • Clint

    I cannot remember when was the last time I was in WalMart; boy that’s a great feeling! Sadly I work at their Home Improvement counterpart. Like any business (esp. big ones), there are major issues that go on everyday without being addressed. If there wasn’t such a large pool of people looking for work, these companies would in trouble. As it stands, they are cutting hours and staff on a regular basis, looking for ways to cut corners and save another buck. If they were only as truly concerned about their staff as they are about saving a buck, they might have more enthusiastic staff. Too often, the ones who get ahead are those who do the least in the way of actual work, but do the most kissing up. Make me look good on paper, who cares about reality. Yeah, this is a sad article, it’s the first piece I have read here that I do not agree with at all. They say it takes all kinds, I am still wondering why some are needed?

    • Dan az

      Clint
      Rules of economics,you must make a profit or your out of business.Plain and simple.The fact that they cut hrs is to keep their doors open.Anyway they can and if they didn’t you would not have a job.Pretty simple huh!If you don’t like the hrs then go apply somewhere that has more.Go to their competitors,start your own business.That’s the the about free markets you have choice!The unions have done nothing for this countries well being and are going to destroy every thing that was done for free enterprise.Their time has come and know they are looking to empower the illegals as a union for better wages.Guess who will be getting your job?I would like to see how much the unions are making of the backs of union slaves.I would bet that when you compare it to the business profit it would either match or double what they make.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Dan Az, I gotta laugh at Union supporters, I guess they don’t realize when they’re done bein used by the Union hierachy, they’ll be tossed and another wet-behind-the-ears will take they’re willfull place!

      • Dan az

        Angel
        I have had it up to here with this union crap,They all need to be thrown in jail for causing this mess that were all in now!Eddie included!

      • Angel Wannabe

        Dan , I probably said this before, but my old man worked in a UAW union shop for 10 years and was a Union Steward. He said the only thing he did, was to save the jobs of the troublemakers and those that came on the job drunk, in essence he was a, “Glorified Babysitter!”

    • Crystal

      I shopped in a Walmart about 11 years ago. That was the first and last time I subjected myself to that kind of punishment.

  • http://www.gas2j.goxft.com Jazz

    Mr. Ringer, you DO know that this was in fact, a case of Slavery, mitigated for the law firm’s profit — do you not?

    Jazz

  • http://www.gas2j.goxft.com Jazz

    Absolute clarity understanding Mr. Ringer’s case for liberty. But…WHAT exactly IS liberty, and to whom is it…or is it NOT afforded? I agree that, from a “robber baron” perspective it appears that his arguments are valid. They made their beds, they must sleep in it. However, the Civil Rights Amendment; the “good practices” criteria that “fair trade” for services, goods, and other accommodations rendered may beg to differ. Slaves…had no recourse, because the system in place did not allow them to have other options. I would beg to differ with Mr. Ringer in that anyone arriving on this soil, and without resulting to becoming a beggar, street urchin, or other indentured servant to sustain the life and/or lives that they brought to this country — pertaining to the rules of citizenship, or application thereto — would not have a legal remedy for employment. Therefore, they would be relegated to finding “under the table” means of support…vis-a-vis selling drugs, performing less dignified chores, such as mowing lawns, cleaning facilities…you know, all the stuff that YOU, Mr. Ringer pay those “poor people in the hood”, to do FOR you. Servitude IS bondage. Even for a wage that is TWICE the minimum wage…being that the “minimum wage for maximum service” has become the standard for the company, THIS obvious “symptom” of institutional embeddedness should not have given such cavalier disregard. It is only because of the indigent status of the employees who could not afford BETTER counsel, that Wal-Mart got off so easily. Your finer points of the legal ramifications of this case, had the outcome been different for Wal-Mart, would have ensured that controls would be set for future companies seeking to invest in similar (or dissimilar) enterprises, and set up sweatshops of every “ilk” and fashion. Put yourself in their shoes…once the realization came about that their lawyers could NOT win, due to their limited status to further fund the cause of their cases, it was already a lost cause. with $7 Million being the extent of their limit of investment toward their client’s representation, for all we know, Wal-Mart could have written a check for 10 times that to pull them off course. After all, whether you’re a law firm or not you must realize that…100% of everything (times whatever multiple Wal-Mart could afford to pay to get their lawyers off their butts)…is FAR, FAR, FAR better than suffering a $7 Million Dollar loss. Your opinion seems to have “followed the money”, and is “spot on”…but for these observations. Sometimes a “loss” reported, IS a gain made. You just have to know for WHOM the gain was produced.

    Jazz

    • Jeryl

      You love those big unions, don’t you, Jazz. Unions are the primary reason that we get most of our goods from China these days.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Jeryl, Absolutely Right!__Everything has been driven off shore because Tax and Regulation, my biggest B*tch!

      • JLC

        Jeryl — More than 50 years ago (1958, to be more precise) I warned members of my local of United Steelworkers union that, even then, American labor was in the process of pricing itself out of the world market. As might be expected, I was booed down. Well —— Congratulations, guys! You,ve done it!

      • Jazz

        Actually, Jeryl, I believe that SOME unions are good…but most of them, after being in place for a while, are not worth what is paid to have them. Often, the high wages that the employees in that union are paid begin as a great incentive to get the numbers of to sustain a particular field of business…for a time. But…as soon as the Union Stewards get “comfortable” with receiving a high salary for doing nothing more than filling out forms…they sit on their asses and from that point forward do nothing (or as close to it) for the people who pay their wages. On the other side of the coin, once management and union reps get “Comfortable” with each other, a Union Rep will typically become the house slave, or “whipping boy” to keep employees fearful of confronting management. For management, it then becomes a “win-win” situation. They begin to get what they want all of the time because they then have a mouthpiece that does what they want, when they want it, and how they want it — because the Union Reps themselves are fearful of losing their “cake” jobs. So, Jeryl, while it may sound like I am an ally of Unions, I feel they are only good at fulfilling one or two roles for a limited period of time. After that, they should be done with their job, and eliminated from the rolls.

        Jazz

    • bp

      Jazz, you little lawyer wannabe, you :-) There is no shame in HONEST wages “performing less dignified (says you?) chores, such as mowing lawns, cleaning facilities” etc. Better than the “poor in the hood” seeing “under the table means of support…vis-a-vis selling drugs”, which is ILLEGAL! Work is a virtue, not stealing others’ BIG BUCKS.

      • Jazz

        Guilty as charged, BP — not little, maybe more “wanna-be” as a lawyer. But I despise most lawyers that operate in the ways that I have described. HONEST wages, BP? Slavery…according to your standard, the room and board — not acknowledging that a slave did not get to pick who, what, when, where, how, or to what extent his/her slavery fell unto terms with; the ability of a human to equate the terms of their servitude with optimal choices, terms, amenities, and outcomes toward their favor; maybe your deflection to a feature of the servitude that IS essentially what Wal-Mart offers…is a poor choice. It is not relevant to this situation as to how HONEST the work that is performed at Wal-Mart is or is not. Question is to how Wal-Mart has taken advantage of illegal aliens, the poor, the uneducated (or ineducated – depending upon your perspective), to cull their business objective into a business-of-profit-for-profit-only business; which has such a large margin of ROI relative to the expected costs of labor to sell (alias: overhead), that in retrospect, their profit margins are covered largely by the innate BONUS of micro-costed labor expenses. Translated to laymen’s terms this means that Wal-Mart is in such envious position, that whatever product they sell no longer matters. The savings on wages, facility costs, and infrastructure are so low that they could afford to simply become a warehouse for other large retail businesses, and make a huge profit in the difference of THEIR wage costs and the average “fair market” wage and infrastructure costs alone, compared to what their competitors experience. That being the case, there is an imbalance on the “wage” and “infrastructure” piece of the formula…ONLY at Wal-Marts. And, THAT is what this is all about.

      • Jazz

        …and THAT is what should make Wal-Mart’s sub-wage situation SHAMEFUL!

        Jazz

  • Jennie

    I am disappointed in people who are so willing to sue their employer – even though they make double minimum wage. I am confident there are millions of people out there who would be more than happy to have those jobs . . . and there would be millions more people who would be harmed if a huge law suit against WalMart were successful. . . . funding a huge law suit would undoubtedly rasie the prices that are so favorable to customers. You’re the robber baron Kinetic1 as you would be more than pleased to see WalMart taken down because they are successful. You don’t seem to care about the people who would not hurt by high prices that a lawsuit would most likely bring.

    • karolyn

      I have yet to meet someone at WalMart making double the minumum wage. I know one woman who has worked for them for many years and had to take a pay cut when she moved south, and she is making well under double minimum wage.

  • Hal N

    Educating ‘the workers” should have begun a long time before they became employees. When you restore our educational system to being the greatest that it once was, whether public or private, you will go a long way towards healing societal and cultural problems.

    • Jeryl

      As an educator I can say a big “amen” to that! When the government started poking its nose into education and taking control out of the hands of the parents and locals, they started destroying our educational system.

    • Crystal

      You’re so right, but they’re too busy trying to teach political correctness and socializing kids than the basics. My son has a friend who admitted to me the other day that he can’t cursive write and he can’t read it either. They’re 14 years old.

  • nancy shank

    When I was working in a position of being in charge I got in trouble with supervisor for telling an employee that they came there looking for a job and the last I knew that a job meant work. If they didn’t like what they had to do then they should look elsewhere.

    Now I am retired and it is someone elses problems.

  • Gregory M Fota

    Oh, yes, and let’s “forget about” the fact that 98% (may be 100% at this date) of WalMart’s products are IMPORTED from CHINA! They built HUGE superfreighters just to carry the “Made in China ” goods to the U.S.
    “ALWAYS THE CHEAP PRICE!”–yes, at the expense of thousands of Made in America jobs. maybe they lost the suit, but I will NEVER buy at Wal-Mart.
    Just one of many American corporations gone crazy with GREED.

    • Babylonandon

      So don’t shop or work there, duh.

      Boycotts work if you can get enough people to agree with you. If you can’t then maybe – just maybe – you are wrong. Either way, you have the freedom to make choices for yourself. In a free society, you don’t get to make choices for other people.

      Maybe you don’t want a free society, is that it?

      • Clint

        Where’s the Freedom when a company can buy anyone in any office through campaign donations? When they can buy off local governments with promises of benefits to the community because they were bring soooo much good to your little town? Yes, look how wonderful the USA is turning out to be surrounding those beautiful Wally World stores. Not. Bringing us cheap junk that breaks in no time that we have to keep repurchasing because it is junk. Yeah, saving all kinds of money, not. They have grabbed you buy the you know what and been twisting tighter and tighter, The power they wield is larger than most people realize. They are not alone in the Corporate takeover of the nation. Who really runs the USA? or should that be RUINS it?

      • Doug

        Gee Clint it real simple elite run the country, you know the ones who are getting bags of money to make policies that effect small business owners but not the big ones. Corporation are evil you people crack me up! Like what was mentioned earlier if you union communist and liberals idiots think you can run a business then please have at start a business and lets see how you do!

      • Debbie

        Where is your criticism for the politicians that line their pockets in these deals? You extremist think it’s all one sided. How do these corporations make money? From consumers. How do politicians make their money? Ffrom tax payers and bribes. Rally people to boycott the companies and hurt their profits. Don’t look to the other part of the problem (politicians) and expect them to do something right about it. Why would they? Capitalism is not evil. It’s the greedy people that are evil. Go after them.

      • http://personalliberty.com Matt

        Clint, who is forcing you to buy junk over and over? Sounds more like symptoms of personal insanity to me.

    • BOSSLADY

      BABYLON YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING MADE IN CHINA. IT ONLY TAKES A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME TO CK THE LABELS.. BUY AMERICAN MADE MERCHANDISE. IT ONLY TAKES ONE PERSON TO SAY I’M NOT BUYING THEIR STUFF ANYMORE. WE CAN BLAME THE POLITICIANS FOR THE NAFTA BILL. TWO YEARS AGO WHEN HERSHEY’S MOVED THEIR COMPLETE OPERATION TO MEXICO, I VOWED NEVER AGAIN TO BUY ANOTHER HERSHEY CANDY, CHOCOLATE OR ANYTHING THEY MAKE. ACTUALLY I STARTED BUYING NESTLES CHOCOLATE INSTEAD. MADE IN THE USA. IT’S JUST AS GOOD AND CHEAPER. A CHOCOLATE BAR OF NESTLE, (LIKE HERSHEY) AT SOME STORES SUCH AS $TREE IS .69 CENTS. I MAY BE ONLY ONE BUT EVERYTHING STARTS WITH ONE. WANNA MAKE IT TWO?

      • Mark

        Bosslady -
        Get your facts straight before you shoot off your mouth. Hersheys still has a factory in Hershey, PA. Good grief! You can take a tour through it, as many do. Nestle’s, on the other hand, is NOT an American company; it is Swiss owned. I wish Walmart didn’t market so many Chinese goods, but that is fully their choice to do so. My choice is to rarely shop there. You can simply choose the same.

    • Patriot

      Gregory,

      The underlying reasons these companies need to work from this model is all the manufacturing regulations, our nation has the 2nd highest corp. tax rates and all the labor with minimum wage standards. If we cut all these meaningless regulation there would become more manufacturing in this country and we would have complete employment. The answer is less government and getting back to our roots of commonsense principles and hard work! Or welcome to the total enslavement of the USA!

      • Push comes to shove

        Now thats a ‘push comes to shove’ comment

        Totally agree.

        The liberal cavement thought. ‘buusiness bad, gov’t good, where my money.

    • NancyJ

      Maybe if government eliminates the regulations that make competing almost impossible and the unions are more interested in competing and helping the companies that their workers are paid by, there wouldn’t be so many products brought in from abroad.

      It would also help if so much money wasn’t taken from employees so that the union officials could have such big salaries and money to play with.

    • Houndy

      Yes, and maybe if the unions hadn’t been so damn greedy, many of those businesses that have left the United States would still be here.

    • DaveH

      98%? I saw various figures on the web from 70 to 80 percent. Whichever are correct, what does that say about our country, when China can outprice the US even with the significant added costs of transporting the goods across 7,000 miles of ocean.
      Why are China’s goods cheaper? Most likely you will say because of slave labor. But how did they get to that point? Because, their masses saw Communism as the preferable choice to Capitalism. So, what is the solution of anti-Capitalists? They want more Socialism, less Capitalism, I guess so we can better emulate China’s slave labor conditions.
      The problems befalling this country are not the failure of Capitalism. Rather they are the failure caused by Big Government’s efforts to squash Capitalism and replace it with Government regulations and Crony-Capitalism.
      We could get or Country back to the kind of robust vibrant economy enjoyed in Hong Kong where their Government Spending as a percentage of their economic output is less than half of ours. To do that, we need to take the blinders off and face the fact that we are in this mess as a result of Big Government. How much bigger does Government need to get, and how much smaller does our economy have to get, before the citizens wake fully out of their stupor?
      The answer to our problems is to get Government out of the Marketplace, and restore the Consumer as king, instead of the self-interested Politicians who now make our choices for us.

    • bp

      GregoryMFota: Jealousy is never satisfied, either.

    • karolyn

      It’s not 98% or 100%. WalMart has been working at having more American-made/grown in their stores.

      • Crystal

        When?

      • independant thinker

        Last I heard the effort to promote American Made in Wallyworld ended with Sam Waltons death. While I did not like the company even back then Sam did try to sell and promote American made items. When he passed away the new management stopped trying to seek out and promote American made they just went for the cheapest no matter where it was made.

  • terry

    Though in theory, you are correct, in reality you are not. The current economic climate makes it very difficult to just “walk off a job”. Would you take us back to the time when little children worked ten-hour days and say “that is capitalism”. I think not. If you were one of the women working in the Wal-Mart on your feet all day with a brain and no possiblities, what would you do? Walk out? I do not believe so. And, yes, I am vowing to shop as little as humanly possible at Wal-Mart. I suggest ALL WOMEN do and Wal-Mart will be out of business – or – CHANGE.

    • DeeFayette

      The women with a brain must be lacking creativity to stay on a job where they think they are being abused. Oh, they have a doctorate degree from some liberal university…and working as a stock clerk, and feeling they are under compensated. One problem this nation has, is the entitlement mentality. I’m entitled to the job, cause they hired me, and now I can sue them because it’s not what I expected.

      If you think Walmart is treating the employees unfairly, start your own discount store chain to compete…you’d soon have all the women from Walmart working for you! Complaining, complaining, and complaining is all the liberals seem to do. Liberals just seem to love to find victims.

      Are humans really dumber than animals? The little squirrel that I see out my back door seems to be doing quite well fending for itself. Too bad more humans don’t have that type of self-reliance.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      Hey dimwit: I work 10-12 hr days now…I am self employed…who should I sue? My customers? Get a grip!

      Idiots like you don’t seem to understand basic economics. You get what you are worth in the business world…it’s the same in the labor world. What part of this do you not understand?

      • NancyJ

        You don’t realize that Progressives believe that you are the problem.

        You are just lazy. You should work harder for your profits. (Maybe 14 to 16 hours a day and less profit) THAT WAS A JOKE!!!

      • karolyn

        No, it’s the same old crap of business wanting to get as much out of you as they can while getting away as cheaply as possible. It’s all about GREED!

      • Angel Wannabe

        karolyn > your words>> “No, it’s the same old crap of business wanting to get as much out of you as they can while getting away as cheaply as possible. It’s all about GREED!

        Hey now MS. Optimistic, so why don’t turn the negative phrase above into a positive, like you accuse us of not doing__ couldn’t you say, that you worked many hours including overtime, and made as much money as possible, so my family and I could live comfortably?_-it works both ways?!!

      • JeffH

        Hear Hear!

      • Angel Wannabe

        Jeffh, Hey there jeffy, how goes it? :)

        I haven’t been on much between Gardens, Grandkids and life in general!
        I see nothing much has changed…

      • JeffH

        Angel Wannabe, always nice to have you around…the lines have pretty much been drawn by now anyway.

      • independant thinker

        Karolin said in an earlier post she had (past tense) a business. Since she no longer has it she is just taking the anger over her failure out on sucessful businesses.

      • Retiredarmyman

        Karolyn,
        next time you go to the grocery store how about if you carry your calculator with you.
        When the clerk gets through ringing up your order, make sure that you tip her 15% of the total bill. Being as how you seem to think that business just wants to get all they can out of women employees she should be getting more money right?

        Before you start to say that sounds stupid, think about what you have been saying all along.

        A few things to consider:
        1) Business in in the business of making money.
        2) Low or no profit means no jobs because business is not in business to loose money therefore they will close.
        3) If I can work for someone else and make as much as I would running my own business, why would I put up with all the headaches of owning a business?
        4) No one forces anyone to take a job at a certain wage there is always another way.
        5) People who have an entitlement mindset will be the destruction of this country.

        I’m not saying that retired military, police, and fire fighters don’t deserve their pensions. God knows they earned it every day they went to work. But, if you don’t do something to earn your pension/ retirement pay, don’t expect it and don’t bitch about being underpaid just because you are a woman, especially if you don’t take advantage of all the schooling My taxes pay for.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Well said retiredarmyman! :)

    • Debbie

      Nothing like going to the extreme with your “working little children 10 hours a day” comment! Anyone who has to side-step common sense and go to the extreme shows the dangers of emotionalism. The only thing you said that made any sense was using your free right to shop somewhere else.

    • DaveH

      The “current economic climate” exists because people like you have forgotten the morality of voluntary associations and contracts, and have instead allowed Politicians to substitute force into our personal choices and the Marketplace.
      Decades ago the child labor issue came up, not because children were being forced to work, but because children didn’t tend to join Unions, and that interfered with the plans of the Unionists to force their way on their employers.
      Some common sense about child labor:
      http://mises.org/daily/2858

    • Crystal

      Your theory is right, but you chose the wrong time. This lawsuit started long before this economic climate. So they had a choice. Read the entire lawsuit. Check out the date it started.

  • karolyn

    Big business will always get away with whatever it can. Unfortunately, they do not get it that they would have better businesses if they treated their employees better. A happy employee does a better job.

    • Debbie

      And an unhappy employee can go find a job at one of those companies that have a better work environment. In all reality, it is hard to find a good employee these days. Too many are sick with the entitlement attitude. They want to do less and be paid more and anything short of that is considered bad working conditions. Please…..

      • Push comes to shove

        Absolutely correct.

        As a manager who hires employees for the company i work for i find that there are too many people, especially younger adults/graduates (used loosely), that want a honests days pay for an unhonest days work. Thier spelling, grammar, and math skills are very lacking.

      • bp

        Pushcomestoshove: So are your skills, “very lacking”.

      • karolyn

        It’s harder to find good employment, or any employment, than to find good employees these days!

      • Push comes to shove

        WRONG,

        Good employment comes from having good skills, and if you are out of work i have a novel idea, how about taking a wal-mart job to support your family or yourself instead waiting on the government dole for some high paying job or something your familiar with. THere are jobs to be had out there but most people on unemployment say it does not pay what i am used to or think they are too good for that menial job.

        Would you dig ditches to support your family? I would if it meant not taking a gov’t handout.

      • Phil

        I have ran a business for 30 years, good workers are hard to find. Most younger people can’t wait for their break to text or call someone. When my business was slow I took other jobs. Yes digging ditches,building houses, or whatever I could to feed my family and pay the bills. But that’s how my depression era parents raised all us kids. I guess after seeing bread lines when they were growing up my parents knew that the government won’t or can’t take care of everybody. So they taught us kids to be self reliant. I think the one thing this country needs most is for people to take responsibility for their own actions.

    • Doug

      Pretty obvious you never were a boss or own a business. Give and employee a raise or whatever and 20 minutes latter they are complaining again. Karolyn you should go to Cuba or China and find some work and see how that goes for you. You liberals think everyone else should work hard and get nothing why you bums sit on you butts and expect to be taken care of!

      • karolyn

        “Pretty obvious” my butt! You don’t know crap! I have had my own business and I see those businesses that treat their employees like human beings and how well they do!

      • http://personalliberty.com Matt

        Why is Walmart doing so well?

      • Retiredarmyman

        Matt,
        They are doing so well because they offer a decent wage relative to the skill set they are hiring, and they also allow their employees to buy stock in the company if they desire to do so.
        All this smoke and mirrors is just that smoke and mirrors brought about by some lazy, worthless employees talking to their crooked, and even more worthless lawyers.
        That is the real reason that the Judge ruled in favor of Wal-Mart.

    • DaveH

      And why shouldn’t they, Karolyn? It is their money. If you want to earn it from them, fine. Do they tell you how to spend your money, Karolyn?

    • Crystal

      Not necessarily. A lot of fair-treated employees still screw over the company they work for.

  • TONY D

    Your tone would be entirely different if you were a womam, and had been subjected to Walmarts discriminatory practices.

    • DeeFayette

      If you’re a woman at Walmart and you believe you are being treated unfairly, quit! If all the women quit, that would send a louder message than lawyers. If you stay on the job you then become your own victim, not a victim of Walmart’s policy. If a person is truly worth what they think they’re worth, they will have no problem finding the job that pays them that amount. The problem with this country is that too many busy-bodies wants to control others according to in their own desires, using the force of government that employs mafia tactics to enforce its overbearing laws.

      If the lawyers think they have a better plan for how Walmart should conduct its business, they should form there own chain of discount stores to operate according to their business model, not for Walmart to change. The competition would be a GOOD thing. Compete, don’t control.

      • karolyn

        You just don’t have a clue! Oh, yeah, just quit and get another job. Right! It is soooooo easy to get a job these days. Men should absolutely NOT be treated better than women at WalMart! This is a travesty. The only way companies like WalMart will change is if they’re hit in the pocketbook.

      • Average Joe

        karolyn,
        Please read my comment below. As a former Wal Mart employee I have a bit of insight on the matter of discrimination within the ranks of Wal Mart. It is easy to sit on the outside looking in and make assumptions…..being on the inside can change your view entirely.

      • Ernie S

        I agree. But maybe it’s the local managnent. The store my friends (women & men) say they ARE treated fairly. Try finding out yourself. Might be suprised. Try several stores. We have several within a 10 mile radius of us. That I have shopped at,

      • Average Joe

        Ernie S,
        I have never worked in a “store”, I worked in a distribution center (warehouse), so I can’t really comment on store policies other than to say with few exceptions the rules are pretty much the same, but you are correct management and their demeanor can make a huge difference in the way people “see” their jobs as being rewarding or a nightmare.Of course that is pretty much the same in any job.

    • BOSSLADY

      THAT IS A BUNCH OF BULL. WHERE HAVE I EVER SEEN MORE GOOF-OFFS OF WOMEN THAN AT WALMART. THOSE GOT WHAT THEY DESERVED, NOTHING. AND BY THE WAY, MEN, DON’T GET COCKY, THERE’S AS MANY GOOF-OFFS IN MEN AT WALMART AS THERE ARE WOMEN. I AGREE PAY SHOULD BE THE SAME IF WOMEN ARE DOING THE SAME JOB. IT’S THAT WAY ANY WHERE YOU WORK. SUCK IT UP OR FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO WORK. EACH PERSON HAS A CHOICE. THERE AREN’T MANY JOBS WHERE OLDER PEOPLE CAN GO AND GET A JOB AS AT WALMART. IT IS A KNOWN FACT HALF THE PEOPLE WENT TO WORK THERE FOR THE INSURANCE BENEFITS. NOT MANY JOBS CAN BE FOUND NOW-A-DAYS. GO TO WORK AND BE GRATEFUL THAT YOU EVEN HAVE A JOB TO GO TO. SO MANY WOULD LIKE TO BE IN YOUR SHOES.

      • Dagney

        Please turn OFF the Caps-Lock. If, that is, you want people to read your posts.

      • Harold

        Be cool on the CAPS-LOCK THING, IT’S EASIER TO READ

      • Ernie S

        Agree, Cap lock jus maks it all the same. SHOUTING dosn’t prove a thing. It should be used only to emphise a word, or two. Also, all caps make it harder to read .

      • Average Joe

        Dagney,
        Bare in mind that not everyone knows the ins and outs of internet etiquette…and the some people can’t see as well as others for a multitude of reasons….I try to be understanding and over look such lapses….unless I know that the intent is to shout at others….just an observation :)

      • independant thinker

        I almost never read more than the first line or two (if that much) of a post written in all CAPS they are just to damn hard to read.

      • Think about it

        Father & Daughter Talk

        A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be very liberal, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth.

        She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch conservative, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

        One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

        Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn’t even have time for a boyfriend, and didn’t really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.
        Her father listened and then asked, “How is your friend Audrey doing? She replied, Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She’s always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn’t even show up for classes because she’s too hung over.

        Her wise father asked his daughter, Why don’t you go to the Dean’s office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.

        The daughter, visibly shocked by her father’s suggestion, angrily fired back, “That’s a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I’ve worked really hard for my grades! I’ve invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!

        The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, Welcome to the conservative side of the fence.

      • DaveH
      • Think about it

        Wow, the future is not looking good, and they vote, thier eyes are open but they just can’t see.

      • Think about it

        How can they not see it, or hear it, as there SPEAKING, it just blows my mind, I’m willing to give you half of my hard earned money, but i will not split my grade’s with you, because i worked to hard for them, Well guess what kid’s you will be giving them half of your hard earned money, because there are lazy azz people kickin back on vacation 365/24/7 and sayin, look at that dumb azz, willing to work so hard in school and then go get a job so they can help take care of me, WOW

      • http://personalliberty.com Matt

        There is nothing new under the sun! Isn’t it amazing that acadamians only understand there little corner of the world, but can’t equate it to the rest of the world? The higher the academic degree the lower the degree of common sense.

      • bp

        Thinkaboutit: Thank you!! LOVE it!

      • Dons621

        Great post. She will have to learn the “WALK” now that she has learned the “TALK”

      • Ernie S

        I’ve heard & read several e-mails with same results, and I for one agree. IF most of our wages are taken to feed the poor. How some THEY are thr ones that can buy the T bones & Ruibeyes & Lobsters (on there welfair card), and I get buy with Chuck weiners or HB. . 200+ pounds of starving person. Must be tough on them. I admit. There are people out there that meed & “deserve” help. But I feel there are a lot of them that “sucker” the wellment system. I live on SS, that I paid into all my lif. And they live much better than I do. Is that fair?
        “The meek shal inharet the earth”? Hell, They are taking it now.

      • DaveH

        The problem with equal pay for equal work is “who decides what is equal?”.
        Pay rates should be left entirely to the Employer (whose money it is) and the employee (who can choose not to work there).

    • Justasayin’

      a “womam”…really? Do you really expect to be taken seriously? I now own my own business, but have been in the workplace for the last 30+ years. Long before there were laws to protect us, we put up with unwelcome advances, unequal pay and job promotions going to the good ol’ boys golfing buddies. If we were to suceed, we had to be that much better.
      Now some bimbo who can’t even spell the gender, and I suspect, hits her male boss with three weeks of every four with some mysterious “female” malady, sick kids, pet problems, shows up late, has to leave early, stands around complaining about her job, because she would rather be “anywhere else” …and just try getting her off of her cell phone, to stop texting, tweeting and checking her facebook…and boom you are being sued.
      I have been a serious working woman…don’t BS me. If you are a decent emplyee these days, you get treated like it…if not, I guess you find a lawyer.

      • karolyn

        “Now some bimbo who can’t even spell the gender, and I suspect, hits her male boss with three weeks of every four with some mysterious “female” malady, sick kids, pet problems, shows up late, has to leave early, stands around complaining about her job, because she would rather be “anywhere else” …and just try getting her off of her cell phone, to stop texting, tweeting and checking her facebook…and boom you are being sued.”

        Talk about sweeping generalizations! The fact is men are promoted before women, despite the same qualitifcations and work ethic. Yes, that is reason for a lawsuit.

      • http://personalliberty.com Matt

        Karolyn, have you ever been to the Pittsburg, California Walmart where this whole business started? I have, and I can tell you that it doesn’t take an extremely high calibre of employee to advance in that particular store. The downside is that a high calibre of employee at that Walmart is a rarity. What is not rare at that same Walmart is the entitled individual, whether it be the employee or the customer. Everybody in that part of town “knows their rights”, but relatively few can acknowledge their responsibilities. (Kind of a systemic problem throughout the entire Bay area) Personally I have made the choice to drive the extra 10 miles to shop at the Antioch Walmart to avoid the classless, thankless employees I have encountered in Pittsburg. I can’t get in and out of that store with a simple purchase, because of the personal problems that so many of their employees bring to work with them, and can’t stop dealing with long enough to be an effective employee.

        The free market is a great thing, and it isn’t a one way street.

      • Kate8

        Leave it to karolyn to buy into the victim mentality and spout liberal talking points.

        You still haven’t figured out that those who are arriving on the scene with “solutions” are the same ones who are causing the problems. And it’s so easy when there are plenty of people, like you, who listen to them.

      • Harold

        WOMEN SHOULD BE PAID THE SAME -IF- SHE HAS THE SAME ABILITIES AND WORK ETHIC!

    • http://personalliberty.com David

      Where is your proof that discrimination has pervaded Wal Mart? It seems that you are either a lawyer or close to one, you know, the ones who really make it big with these lawsuits, not the litigant. The Supreme Court ruled appropriately in view of the fact that the more people who heard of this class action jumped on the bandwagon to get free money. This is what is wrong today. Tort reform is needed or else all of us will suffer and pay for the robbery that goes on every day when someone sees a chance to commit legal robbery, hire the equivalent of an ambulance chasing lawyer and go for the gold. Wake up!

    • Jeryl

      I worked for Sam’s Club (a Walmart Enterprise) for three years. The women were paid the same and promoted the same as men. There may be stores where that’s not true due to a particular manager, etc., however it is normally true. Walmart hires a lot of people who are poorly educated and gives them a decent pay check. Most of the people who are complaining want more than they deserve for their educational level or performance level. They ought to be happy they have a job and stop expecting entitlements. If that’s what they want, let them go to work for the government.

      • DaveH

        Please don’t send them to the Government, Jeryl, we have enough doofusses running our lives already.

    • Debbie

      Not true. These women suffer from the same sickness many other people suffer in this country…..”victimism”. They feel sorry for themselves and blame their demise on whomever they can seek compensation from instead of applying themselves and working their way up. If these women really felt mistreated, they would not still be employed at Walmart. When their actions don’t line up with their rhetoric, they should be scrutinized. When I worked for a company that changed my commission structure that would force me to sell more and be paid less, I left that company and found a job somewhere else. It’s a no-brainer. BTW, the worse boss I ever had was a feminist. She was lazy, selfish, arrogant, and cruel; far beyond any male bosses I’ve ever had.

      • bp

        Debbie: Sounds like Bill’s Hill! LOL.

    • NancyJ

      I shop at Walmart and have talked to several women who work there.

      They, without exception, have told me that they are very glad to have the job.

      However, I live in a town where Obama’s changes have paid off well. We have 11 1/2 per cent unemployment.

    • Liberty4UnMe

      Hey, TONY! I am a woman and my reply to your comment is “BALONEY”! Women don’t need someone like you to speak up for us!

    • Carol

      The discrimination I saw was if you are an older woman with at least one year of college, they don’t hire you. I applied 3 different times and when I checked on my status, there was no record I have ever applied. And saying that they have over a million AMERICAN women working is NOT true. A lot of them don’t even speak any American English and are illegals, so they weren’t even elligible to use our court system in the first place.

      • newton

        carol
        i dont doubt the truthfulness of your experience concerning walmart. it is a vast coporation with thousands of stores where some injustices iam sure take place in all aspects of life.
        i have at times worked for a sub contractor there during store renovations and had gotten to know many employees and a few managers, i heard mostly good things about walmart. the managers that i personally talked too all claimed to have started on the bottom as part time employees and had worked their way up in just three to five years. they were earning five and six figure incomes but they said they were married to the store and that it was a high pressured enviroment. i spoke to one lady there who told me she had a huge expensive operation on her leg and walmart paid the whole thing.

    • Crystal

      Tony D, please don’t speak for women. Most of us are intelligent enough to leave when things aren’t right.

    • Retiredarmyman

      Tony D,
      Sex of the employee has ABSOLUTELY ZERO to do with wage earned/ offered/accepted. If you don’t get offered the wage you are expecting why would you take a job, unless of course you are mentally challenged?

  • Richard Barrow

    this is AMERICA,,,IF YOU DON’T LIKE WORKING SOMEPLACE,,,GET ANOTHER JOB, OR GET SOME EDUCTION AND THEN GET ANOTHER JOB.

    SO FAR THERE IS NO COMMISSAR TO TELL YOU WHERE TO GO, AND WHICH JOB YOU NEED TO DO. GIVE THEM TWO WEEKS NOTICE AND LEAVE.

    • Matt

      Right on the money!!
      Nobody is forcing these women to stay/work at Walmart.
      I hardly think these women are slaves if you read the definition of what slavery means:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

      • bp

        Matt: You’re missing the point. “Slavery” in the title is ironic.

    • bp

      Richard: Actually, that’s not true. The Department of Families requires working mothers who receive assistance to take ANY job offered & they can’t quit. Same rules apply to child-care; no choice. We need to fire our government & hit the “restart” button.

    • Crystal

      Thank you. I watched a few people protesting a restaurant they work for. Go get another job.

    • Ernie S

      To several of you out there. I read an e-mail about a speech Bill Gates made at a high school. His opening statement was ” Life isnt fair, get over it.” In short he said that the younger generation is taught “rights”. Responsibility & respect arn’t. When they tern 18 the world DOSN’T CARE about there RIGHTS. And they arn’t prepaird to face the “real world.
      I fear tha a lot of the younger generation is still trying ti figurn it out. I’m over 60. I had to earn any respect, or jobs I got.

  • Kinetic1

    Spoken like a true robber baron.

    • Msgnewman

      “The democracy will cease to exist when you TAKE away from those who are willing to work and GIVE to those who would not.” — Thomas Jefferson

      “Free men are NOT equal, Equal men are NOT free.”

      Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Talk sense to a liberal (leftist) and he calls you a hater, racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe, denier, wingnut, teabagger, Republican, angry mob, capitalist.

      • charles kiser

        agree with you 100%

      • Duncan

        I believe the founding fathers wanted you to hear all of the bad news so that you could take action and foster change. But FOX noose has taken a completely different tack. Regardless, you conservatives are painting yourselves and the Country into a corner that will be calamitous to YOU. Your beliefs of the end of the world will create your reality. My thoughts see such great opportunities with the rise of China, Russia, Brazil and India….I am not afraid. I am liberal and I like humans more than corporations:-)

      • Crystal

        How moronic!!!

      • Grant

        How very perceptive of you. I’m delighted. In one paragraph he has confessed to more grievous errors of (lack) of knowledge than most would in a volume. if I may speak for what must be a great many of the readers I’m certain we would be interested in more of your thoughts on personal freedom and individual sovereignty.

      • Push comes to shove

        My last name is Duncan so somewhere down the line we are associated as the Duncan name came from King Duncan of Scotland.

        How embarrassing for me.

      • http://Yahoo Bob from SoCal

        Your openness to Evil will be your downfall and the downfall of those around you. Your tolerance blinds you to the truth. You can put your neck in the noose if you want, but don’t put my neck in jeopardy to appease you conscience.

      • http://certus-certusblogspot.com RAYMOND HARBIN

        DUNCAN, AN ABSURD, BASELESS SUIT LIKE THIS IS CONSIDERED WRONG AND ILLEGAL IN RUSSIA AND COMMUNIST CHINA. IN NORTH KOREA THE CONCEPT IS UNKNOWN.

        MAU TSE TUNG MURDERED 70,000 INNOCENT CHINESE TO COMMUNIZE THAT NATION– AND YET, THE DESCENDING GOVERNMENT CONSIDERS BASELESS TORT ROBBERIES THAT WE ALLOW– TO BE UNFAIR TO THE BUSINESS AND HARMFUL TO THEIR CHINESE CITIZEN CLIENTS.

        DOES THIS NOT TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT OUR EGREGIOUSLY CORRUPT, LAWYER BORN AND LAWYER BRED TORT LAWS?

        WALMART COULD OVERCOME THE HUGE COSTS IF THE COMPANY HAD LOST THE SUIT– BECAUSE WALMART WILL NOT PAY FOR THIS MORAL INSANITY– THEIR CUSTOMERS WILL. JUST ANOTHER ANTI-AMERICAN FORM OF REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, ENDLESSLY APPLAUDED BY THE LEFTIST OF OUR NATION, BUT DISMISSED BY THE MARXIAN COUNTRIES NOW BUILDING A FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM BECAUSE THE OLD SYSTEM FAILED. ISN’T THERE A LESSON HERE FOR OUR NATION?

      • SJvet

        i41, Stalin also starved to death about 100 million people. What a country!

      • Kate8

        Yes, and isn’t it interesting that there is only much ado made about Hitler’s slaughter of 6million Jews.

        While this is, indeed, horrific, why is it that all of the hundreds of millions of non-Jewish people are rarely mentioned? In Hitler’s case, he also slaughtered over 11 million non-Jews, but we rarely hear of it.

        There were millions upon millions slaughtered in Russia, China, France, and Africa. And let’s not forget the killing fields of Cambodia. Are these people not worth mentioning in history?

        Even today, there is genocide of millions of Christians around the world, especially places like Africa and China, but we have to seek out info on it.

        I know I have left out millions who have been put to death because of who they were.

      • cerebus23

        While i agree with a good bit especially about the part that corporations do not pay out class action lawsuits the costs get pay by their customers.

        I do not support caps lock posting :P .

        Free markets do work, with oversight, but once oversight does it’s job the market can correct itself with the public educated.

        Say evil corp A is using child labor, and cooking its books in the process, Press and law enforcment get involved, stuff is all over the news and in papers evil corp A’s stocks nosedive almost immediately to worthless, while the public and other business shuns their products or services.

        While i tell you how good free markets can work, let me also tell you how government regulation is bad for markets.

        Government is depressing the dollar, they been depressing it since bush 2 came in, european partners continually chided bush for the falling value of the dollar.

        Now the dollar is dirt cheap worldwide, plus we are printing money left and right to cover our spending and interest payments. We add on another trillion dollars for government run health care (and i cannot wait to see the day when the government is telling your 70 year old mother with a failing kidney that she cannot have the operation ……..yea no death panels over here nothing to see folks, and bush added the tsa (we know how well federal run airport security is going), while spending on 2 wars, then we have a hosing bubble, banking structure collapse (government run also), katrina, double dip recession, etc etc. So for the last 10 11 years, we have been spending and spending and spending.

        How about that banking collapse? it is hard to ignore the fact that the federal government starting under jimmy carter and the rate increasing under every administration of both parties, to the point under bush 2 the federal government mandated that 55% of all loans a bank gives must be in “high risk” housing loans. Mind you they are hiking the rate in the face of a gigantic HOUSING BUBBLE (golf clap for sheer genious). SO the congress ponying up bankers left and right and just berating them about predatory lending and the evils of greedy bankers, well you know what they say when you point fingers, the congress had not a moral ground to stand on in the least in this whole fiasco.

        But end result is few banks go completely under because suprise telling banks they had to give more loans to more people that may not be able to pay them off and on top of it the mortgage rates were astronomical because of the housing bubble that noone could really explain, but everyone was waiting for it to crash. I think the rate was 50% under clinton, before the hike to 55% under bush 2, even without a hike the thing probably would have collapsed however, it just would have taken longer.

        But as a result of the depressed dollar, and our wise washington spending, that many of the major world players want us removed as the international currency, seeing that everything traded on the world markets was based on the usd so your paying with usd for anything, eu and asia was none too happy as our dollar fell and fell making their products more expensive, and the printing of moeny was inflating the dollar to untold levels of late especially.

        As a result there have been meetings, without the usa invited of course, between china france, middle eastern partners all making plans to move forward as removing the usd as the international currency.

        What does that mean to us? That means that when the usd is removed its status and another currency is chosen that the federal government will not longer be allowed to print money to cover spending, if the federal government cannot print to cover spending that means that the legit money in taxes they take in might just cover the interest on the debt but nothing else.

        Let me talk about corn for a moment. Corn is an amazing thing isn’t it? It is on just about everything we eat, it can be used to make cooking oil (incidently cars can run on used cooking oil, filtered of course), it can be ground into flour, it can be made into butters and sweatners, and so on. It can also be used to make biofuel.

        Course many other things can be used to make biofuel, some wild grasses even, but the research is proably a few years out to the point you can make efficient biofuel out of it, even there is research going on into using only the stocks and leaves to make fuel, but again there the research is still a ways out to get it efficient enough, so for the moment corn ears are the most common efficient thing we can use.

        But did we need to start making corn ear biofuels asap? Could we have maybe spend 50 100 million on research into alternatives, many that are being worked on RIGHT NOW, give out government study grants to different universitaries etc. Would that not have been a viable and cheaper option than government corn mandates?

        Lets look at it like this government says 30%(pulling this number out of my hat) of your harvest goes into the biofuel, now think on this or go out and do some research on just how many food products core ears are used in for like maybe think on it a few minutes or goto your kitchen and pull stuff out your cupboards and take a look.

        So now the government has 30% of the national harvest of corn for biofuel, that is 30% less corn stock for your food stuffs, add to that it was not phased in, 2% 5% 10% 15% etc, something farmers could have at lest planned ahead for, or gave them simply a year or two to make available crops for the mandate. Is any of this unreasonable or illogical?

        But no we get an immdiate snatch and grab by the government, farmers are caught off guard, corn prices skyrocket, tons and tons of items in the grocery store are suddenly 30 40 50% higher than they were a few weeks ago.

        Incidently a good chunk of our national corn is exported overseas, so the global food prices skyrocket, and lets think how popular loaves of bread are for feeding people that are in poverty and etc.

        And to add insult to injury and for good measure, gas prices start to skyrocket at nearly the same time.

        SO the whole world is now hit with food prices that are now much higher, gas prices that are now much higher, causing receassions all over the world, and in the midst of all this mess our banks collapse.

        Now excluding the gas prices, all that is wholly and completely due to government intervention into the markets.

        You could go back to mega examples in the early middle 1900s of government intervention into markets has done little or nothing good for the common man on the street. You could probably go back further and find examples.

      • http://www.grreatproducts.com bud

        Yes Duncan I can tell you are a liberal. However, you left off several of your qualities, like stupidity, moronic, marxist, and lazy. You probably still live your mom.

      • http://hubscher1@earthlink.net bob hubscher

        Dear
        duncan, i have never attacked an individual on this site but by god you will be my first victim.I have never read a comment that was So void of anything meaningful that I was almost at a loss. I had to go back to reread it again because it was so meaningless that I had a hard time bringing to to mind . If you hate FOX news so much and you love all of those countries you mentioned, First why don’t you turn off your TV or at least move to another channel and two, why don’t you LEAVE THIS COUNTRY and go to one of those countries that you think are so swell. If their countries are so swell why are all of their people looking for ways to come here both legally and illegally? I do not see masses of people here looking to leave. .Duncan my boy why don’t you lead the way.Finally I proudly shop at Walmart. Walmart and McDonalds have supplied most of the job numbers that the Odumbdumb administration trys to point to.after bashing them during his campaign. Duncan he is about as stupid as you appear to be.

      • Mike Austin,TX

        Well said!

      • SiliconDoc

        Well, glad 1.5 million with lawyer backed freaks didn’t get to extort dollars from every Wal Mart shopper in the world for decades to come.
        I am really sick of all this opportunistic exploitation – it’s going on in every segment of our society, and no group or segment or class is anywhere near innocent. It’s one giant take advantage of the trough party – from welfare to warfare to corporatefare to shippingfare to campaigns to radio to very thing there is – and now it’s takeover time for 15% more of the economy with healthcare usurping and trying to imagine the exploitation and corruption that will rise from that in the greatest and ugliest beast form we’ve ever seen is disturbing beyond the moral or normal.
        I really appreciate the one victory from the court, although I suspect they just “couldn’t do it to the poor shoppers” and of course the 5 billionaire children have immense clout I don’t believe for an instant the court decided it based upon sound US Constitutional principles.
        We just “lucked out” since the gigantic swatch of yelping power activists clicks pushing and shoving and vying for position wound up in the consumer’s lap.
        Yeah, we got lucky.
        As cynical as that sounds it’s like a happy victory since all else seems to be bad and worse – last prior was that DC gun rights victory and that took a big shot former police officer to even get that donev – otherwise citizen joe and jane would have been toast on that one.
        Yeah, don’t trust them at all anymore – do not trust that government not one bit anymore it’s really sad.

    • Bleh

      Spoken like a true moron without a clue.

      • Andy

        You certinaly are.

      • JC in SC

        Speaking of morons, have you looked in the mirror lately? Oh, wait! It would probably shatter.

    • wandamurline

      The lawsuit against WalMart was initiated because WalMart refuses to allow the unions in…they are union free and the union thugs can’t stand it. I am proud to say that I am from Texas, and Gov. Perry just signed tort reform here where if you lose, you pay….in other words, if you file a frivilous law suit and you go to court and you lose, then you pay for all the defendants court costs and whatever else the judge decides you have to pay. This will relieve the insurance companies who have been held captive to lawyers for years…lawyers have been filing frivilous lawsuits because they know it is cheaper for the insurance companies to settle out of court because even if the insurance companies win, the plaintiffs do not have to pay the bill…well, now the insurance companies can go to court because they know now if they win in court, the plaintiffs and the attorneys who filed the lawsuit will be held accountable for all their expenses regarding the suit. You can imagine how the lawyers howled…it is a win/win for people and businesses that were being sued for absolutely nothing, but would settle because of the costs of having your day in court. Thank you Texas Senate, Congress and Gov. Perry. Am surprised that this was not on the news, but then again…we don’t get any real news from the alphabet news medias anymore.

      • bp

        Thank you! That puts it in perspective. And the country should follow like Texas’ lead.

      • bp

        My bad. The country SHOULD

      • bp

        follow TEXAS’ lead. And ALASKA, too!

      • Dan az

        wandamurline
        The same goes for Arizona Loser pays all cost!I didn’t catch where this took place or who initiated it but it would not surprise me if it were kalifornicator.If they would put the same thing on there ballot we all would not have had so many absurd laws that we have now.This is got to be how such a small minority can rule the majority.

      • Mary Kay Andrews

        dan in AZ

        Kalifornicator!!??? Oh, my gosh! That was too funny. Now I have to clean my computer screen!

      • bp

        MaryKayAndrews: Relax, it was the name of a movie. Believe it.

      • Don

        Good for Texas, i wish Alaska would follow, the reason Sarah Palin quit was because false ethics charges were brought against her while Governor ( no doubt a liberal plant ) and was costing the State a fortune, so she quit!!!

      • Ellen

        Before becoming president, Obama tried very hard to get Walmart workers to unionize. Fortunately, he failed. I’m going to sound rude now, but here goes. I rarely shop at Walmart because the employees are rude and can barely speak. A few are Hispanic and haven’t quite learned English, but most are black and have ridiculously poor grammar. These people, male or female, can never be promoted until they learn to communicate. If they could speak, they would probably have better jobs already as customer service reps. Walmart is not to blame for their positions in life.

      • Kate8

        Ellen – In my very few experiences with Walmart (we don’t have one here…yet), I had much the same experiences. The employees were, if not rude, completely disinterested, and obviously illiterate.

        The BBS continues to creep ever closer to my town, and I find it horrifying when I also note the caliber of people who have moved here in recent years…a perfect match for Walmart. (Good God, what has happened to our people.)

        That aside, Walmart scares me. Our family-owned stores are closing, and Walmart is spreading. Think about it. One-stop shopping, for all of your made-in-China goods and GMO foods. Soon it will be ALL you can buy, because they will be the only game in town.

        This will be the “company store”, where everyone must go. The perfect answer to insure that we don’t have choices.

      • independant thinker

        If you compare Wallyworld, Target, Kmart, and any other big box stores around Wally world is not cheaper. They might be cheaper on the smiley face bargins for a couple of weeks but overall their prices are compareable to other big box stores.

        When Wallyworld goes into the smaller towns they, like you said Kate8, drive the localy owned businesses out and you have no choice but to either shop Wallyworld or drive up to an hour to the larger town down the road that still has some locally owned stores to shop.

        As far as the lawsuit goes I think both courts blew it. I worked for another major retailer for many years and can tell you different regional divisions in a large company can have very different attitudes towards the employees. In fact this can even occur on the district level. So, This quite possibly should have been allowed as a class action lawsuit but in a limited area perhaps the western region of Wallyworld or even a two or three state area but not nationwide.

      • eddie47d

        The author says this is the way it has to be. If Walmart takes over a town it must be accepted and that is the way capitalism works. Which isn’t all bad but look at all the stores that have closed because of their “progress”.Some big box stores are friendly and some you can’t find anyone to help you.I do get a chuckle out of TV lawyers who promise you the moon and are only looking out for their new Mercedes.

      • Kate8

        My issue isn’t with Walmart hiring or employment practices (except that they seem to scrape the bottom of the barrel), but with the way they are being used as another way to control us and what we can purchase.

        Every corporation that succeeds gets swallowed up by the world corporate controllers. Everything is being merged into centrally owned mega-providers. It’s all about control.

      • SJvet

        Wal-Mart started out by opening stores in little towns that other chains, such as K-Mart, thought were too small. They had success and grew. Everyone has the option of not shopping there if he of she so desires, and the workers have the option of quitting. There must be something there that’s worthwhile, both to customers and employees, or the company wouldn’t be so overwhelmingly successful.

      • KM

        To Kate8 and Ellen,
        You made broad, sweeping generalizations about WalMart employees. At the local WM SuperCenter where I shop, that is not the case at all. I know some of the employees and they are helpful. When Sam Walton founded WM he gave employees an interest in the store(s) and made many people millionaires. If WalMart does cause some small businesses in a community to close their doors, which does happen, it is competition. That is life.

      • Kinetic1

        Kate8,
        WOW, we have found a point of agreement! I have worked with people who came from positions high up in Walmart and they have outlined how Walmart uses credit reports to target small businesses for closing. In one case I know of they chose to open an expanded knitting department, taking business away from a local shop and forcing it to close. And once that little store was gone, Walmart closed the knitting department and suggested their customers visit another location an hour away.

        People don’t seem to understand the damage Walmart does to a community. Some folks would suggest that the small yarn shop just reopen to fill the need Walmart left, but those folks lost everything! They can’t just “re-open”, so their customers are now screwed. Cities give them huge tax breaks and spend tens to hundreds of thousands tax dollars on street lights and off ramps to accommodate their new stores. In the mean time, their are towns like Winchester Virginia where they had a wonderful down town, totally renovated and turned into a community center, until Walmart built TWO stores, one on either side of town. Now their downtown sits almost empty.

        Next time you hear that Walmart is looking to come to your town, FIGHT! I’ve lived in two counties now where we have managed to keep them away and we’re all the better for it.

      • Caroline

        I totally agree — Walmart is not cheap (except for it’s quality). You can get better prices elsewhere if you shop sales wisely. Also, they are putting the small business out of business and give poor quality service. I prefer to go to small specialty stores and get better quality with better service (and not get my car swiped by carelessly placed shopping carts). Many people do not realize that Walmart products are “made for Walmart” and that is why they can charge the prices they do — the companies make the products to Walmart’s (lower-quality) specifications and sell in large lots. You buy the same name brands but they do not last as long (clothes wear out quicker, electronics break sooner, etc.). I avoid Walmart like the plague.

      • Gigagnat

        You can probably expect now for the feds to come in and sue Texas.
        When are we ALL going to wake up to what is happening? Capitalism
        works because it puts the responsibility on the individual where it
        belongs. The only alternative is for fat-cat beaurocrats to call the
        shots and to line their own pockets with the profits of businesses.
        The beauty of capitalism is that it balances the greed of the
        producer (wanting the most for his product) with the greed of the
        buyer (wanting to pay as little as possible). The end result is products that people want at the lowest possible price. “Jobs” is a product of the producer too. Wages will go up until enough people want
        to work for him. If he doesn’t pay enough, they will go elsewhere to work. Capitalism works, people. What has screwed it up is unwarranted
        government intrusion. That is why so many jobs have gone outside the
        country.

      • DaveH

        Someone who gets it.

      • Al B Tross

        If that contradiction laden argument passes your test for good work, from someone who “gets it”, you are truly a perfect example of Cognitive Dissonance Syndrome.
        Lets break this down…
        First, Capitalism puts the responsibility on the individual, but you fail to note that it diffuses it away from the corporation. Your argument fails on it’s first assertion. You argue that Corporations are equal to individuals, they are not!
        To make this assertion is to step over to the side of Fascist Tyranny, Do you consider yourself a Fascist?

        “The only alternative is for fat-cat beaurocrats to call the 
shots and to line their own pockets with the profits of businesses.
”

        Whom do you think runs these Corporations? fat cat bureaucrats, whom now are the only ones left with cash to run for Gov’t offices, where they then change legislation to favor business over the people. So the very bureaucrats you fear are the same that you praise. This strategy is detailed in the Powell memos, which called for more Corporate influence and infiltration of Gov’t, strictly for Corporate business interests.

        ” Capitalism works, people. What has screwed it up is unwarranted 
government intrusion. That is why so many jobs have gone outside the 
country.”
        Then why did GM move it’s factories to Mexico after posting one of the most profitable years in history? Cheap labor, easily exploited by a fascist Gov’t. It sold out the American worker, all the while exploiting it’s American image to sell their cars. How patriotic.

        Your overall argument is ignorant, naive at best. It overlooks the history of the United States labor movement, from the need to control the robber-barons of the Industrial revolution, to the war-profiteering Military industrial Complex( whose profits were paid by the American taxpayer= socialism!), to todays’ multi-national banks getting bailouts from the politicians they paid to de-regulate the industry allowing it to need bailing out in the first place!.

        But then , it has been proven that those suffering from Cognitive Dissonance, are prone to lean the strongest to the Right Wing and Authoritarian ideology, facts, science and mathematics not withstanding.

      • DaveH

        He said all that, Al?
        Why is it that you must put words in Gigagnat’s mouth if your argument is so logical?
        I find your treatise to be obtuse to say the least. it is full of fallacious assertions, conjecture, and double-speak.
        You must be one of those bureaucrats that Gigagnat speaks of.

      • DaveH

        And “the need to control the robber-barons of the Industrial revolution”?
        Robber barons? You mean those people who scraped together the funds to invest in capital equipment to produce goods and then gave ungrateful Unionists a chance to earn a living, only to have those same Unionists turn on them and coercively extract more than they were worth? How can I say “more than they were worth”? Because there were always good people waiting in the wings for the chance to work for the wages that Unionists arrogantly spurned. And those people had every bit as much right to seek that employment as any Unionist.
        What was keeping the Unionists from pooling their money and starting their own competing companies? Instead of investing your money in the capital equipment of six-packs, you could have become valuable productive members of society. But then, that requires a lot more effort than ganging up on people, doesn’t it?

      • http://certus-certusblogspot.com RAYMOND HARBIN

        IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 999% CORRECT GIGA– COULD EASILY BE 1100% FACT!

      • herman hootenholler

        a/k/a “enlightened despotism” is the basis of capitalisms’competing greed…greed is good…greed works, as long as it isn’t overpowered by corruption. this is where proper regulation comes in.

      • herman hootenholler

        i meant “enlightened self-interest”.

      • JeffH

        wandamurline “The lawsuit against WalMart was initiated because WalMart refuses to allow the unions in…”

        Just a small correction to that…the “employees” of WalMart won’t allow the union in their work place. Ultimately, the employees always has the final say in the organizing process…they either accept or reject the union’s attempt to represent and bargain for them.

        It’s only natural for a company or corporation to fight the union organizing.

      • ron

        The lawsuit had nothing to do with unions and the court despite their corporate leaning did not rule out individual lawsuits. The union angle must have come from Fixed News. The court just made it easier for Walmart to fight. They can easily out spend an individual. WalMart has avoided unions this long and will continue to do so. I have no problem with Wal Mart. I do not shop there and it works fine for me. I am a proud union member. I pay taxes, vote, and own property. I like most middle class/working poor most likely paid more taxes than Exxon last year.

      • Ronald A.

        WAY TO GO TEXAS!!!! YEHAA!!! GOOD JOB!!!

      • Buckeye

        You belong in Texas with all of the other SCABS and criminals {BUSH FAMILY} We can all rejoice in the Word that God hates a liar and it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to Heaven. AMEN

      • Ernie S

        1. The rich get richer, and the poor get children. Old Song.
        2. I’ve been “had” by the union. Will never work in a union shop again, unless extremely desperet.(OK,, I’m bad speller.)The union attitude semed to be, We want more, and how you afford it is “your problem”. In a small shop it means closing the doors. I’ve seen it several times in Detroit Mich.. The shop needs to make a profit, It’s not there to give you a job. Investors need to make money or they don’t invest. No investors, no compny. Just a fact. Even I know that,
        3. As for Big Wallie, The emploies at my local store seem to rum the gontlet. Good, Bad,and Indifferent, I have friends that work there. The opinion seens to be, some of the younger emplioes seem to feel the store “owes them a living”. After all they have rights.Tought to them when in school. Point the finger where it belongs on this point. In fact you’ll see it at almos any store.

      • Average Joe

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      • Kinetic1

        Thanks joe,
        It’s a fun exercise, but I think a simple spell check program is worth the cost. Proofreading helps as well. In these days of texting and almost instant e-mail we seem to be growing too impatient to write a decent letter. It’s a shame. I’d hate to see the English language degraded to the point of a high school kid’s tweet. I correct my children’s speech regularly in an attempt to undo the damage caused by exposure to other children, and now I find myself doing the same for my wife and, at times myself. Accurate communication is too important to ignore, even if it’s just a conversation on a website.

      • Pat

        I’d move to Texas with all the ‘scabs’ and ‘criminals in a heartbeat if I could! It sure beats living in New Jersey where taxes and corruption are staggering. Every Walmart employee has the option of using the two magic words…and their ‘freedom’ is assured!

      • SiliconDoc

        Yes thank you for the news!

        ” Thank you Texas Senate, Congress and Gov. Perry. Am surprised that this was not on the news, but then again…we don’t get any real news from the alphabet news medias anymore.”

        Yeah you know one more victory maybe it’s not quite as bad as I posted but this covering up for these victories we get from the DASTARDLY MSM is really going to crush us all if we don’t find some way to combat it a lot more.
        I have been hoping a super rich mega conservative makes a huge TV news network then just comes down so hard right with it all that Foxnews looks like Al Franken.
        Man where the heck is the super billionaire conservative when you need them ?
        I just do NOT believe the demos anymore that republicans are super rich and have money – I don’t believe they really exist.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      …and your comment spoken like a true idiot. If you don’t like this country and the economic platform of its foundation, I will buy you a one way ticket to any other country of your choosing. My only requirement is that you STAY there…permanently. OH, and it would be nice if you take all your like minded colleagues and friends too.

      • bp

        Don’t make me come over there: Nice moniker.

    • bp

      Kinetic1: Excuse me?! Are we reading the same article? Who are you? If this doesn’t speak to any good sense you may have, nothing will. And no one is forcing you to live in the U.S.A., either. You are FREE to move; most countries accept American passports.

    • DaveH

      Are you talking to yourself, Kinetic?

    • Average Joe

      Kinetic1 says,
      Wow, such a profound statement…Did you come up with that all by youself….or did you have help?

      We get it Kinetic…you don’t get it…plain and simple…and no matter what we say to you….you still won’t get it….enjoy your delusions of granduer and complete knowledge of how the universe works in it’s entirety. You are a legend in your own mind….but nowhere else……

      You live and learn. At any rate, you live.

    • Push comes to shove

      Kinetic1 says:
      June 28, 2011 at 3:42 am
      Spoken like a true robber baron.

      The only robber barons are the morons (aka Lawyers) that try to bring these types of lawsuits in this day and age. Do you not think with all the litigation that goes on with Wal-Mart over the past 3-4 decades that they have not taken all the necessary steps to make sure people are treated respectfully and equally.

      Mr. Ringer gave statistics for the number of people wal-mart employs, but i bet that does not count the people that have jobs in relation to them constructing new stores, and converting old stores with a GREEN retrofits. BET YOU DIDN’T EVEN CONSIDER THAT did you?

      Apparently you support the robber baron lawyers, union thugs, government beauracracy!!

      • Ernie S

        Push, You should have nentioned lawers, unions and politions. Bedfellows at best. But as the origional artical statement. Lawers are probably the BIGGEST problem. They cause prices to go up because of high libility costs. Especially hospitels. And I’d bet a law ferm started the action to make a buck.

    • LibRep

      Obviously you are not an employer.

      • eddie47d

        Even in today’s world most CEOs ARE Robber Barons.Some truly are generous to their employees yet some are only generous to themselves.

    • Penny R. Freeman

      It’s obvious which side of this issue you favor. You’d better get your panties out of a wad and learn what built America and made her the greatest and most properous nation ever in the history of mankind. A better suggestion if you are so in favor of Marxism/communism/socialism (call it by whatever name you choose) take the time to read “Atlas Shrugged” by Ayn Rand. It was written in 1957 but could very easily be the story of America’s future if we allow our leaders to force us to continue down the path they’ve laid before us in the last few years. And if you’re so attune to social justice, etc. then you truly need to acquaint yourself with the founding documents of this country-the Declaration of Independence and the Constituion. The Constitution paints a very clear picture of government’s true role in our lives, one which those who have sworn to uphold and defend those principles have chosen to ignore. Because our leaders have ignored the principles of liberty and limited government we have steadily been losing our personal freedoms over time. No I don’t like and never will work for a labor union. And just like stated in the article a person can choose to work for any employer willing to hire him/her. Or turn down an offer of employment if the terms are not acceptable. When I had very little work experience I worked for Wal-Mart. I knew what I was walking into when I accepted the job. Over time I moved on to other employment and earned a Bachelor’s degree which gave me even more opportunities for better employment. Do you know of any other country that is that open and offers that kind of opportunity to anyone willing to work for it? You can argue that European countries do, but then you need to look at how totally labor unions have taken those countries over and not only destroyed the economies of those countries but given their peoples next to no opportunity for a better future. Liberty is ours to take back from the hands of the legislators who are destroying them. If you don’t believe capitalism is a good thing then move on to a country and live for a while under communism or socialism. You’ll be screaming to gain back your freedoms in very short order. All you have to do to see the difference freedom and free enterprise can make is to compare North Korea to South Korea. The north still struggling under communism is an impoverished nation. The south is a nation that has greatly benefitted from a free market. If you haven’t yet realized that I guess you’ve never seen the ads for Korean airlines. Is there that type of capitalism in the north? No. Who do you think give people jobs and opportunities? The same people you choose to call robber barons. If that’s so distasteful to you why don’t you become your own boss and start your own business. One more opportunity not readily available in most countries around the world. Grow up Kinetic1 and educate yourself on American history and the truth about other forms of government and the struggles of the people who live in those countries. You might want to read everything you can find about Berlin after WWII and the people in East Berlin who lived under communism and were willing to die in their attempt to gain freedom by getting over the fence that divided east Berlin from west Berlin. If you choose to be ignorant of the way things are in this world and want to whine about how unfair life is, you are the person limiting your opportunity for a better future not your employer or this society. But you will be one of the people the future generations will blame if you join in with our current leaders in their efforts to gain government control of every aspect of our lives and thereby destroy our personal freedoms.

      • eddie47d

        A very thoughtful and well written comment Penny and the opposite of “voids” racist rant below you. He proves why the battle continues.

      • Ernie S

        Penney, Have you read The Anamel Farm? Read it in the 50′s. Short book, but to the point. We are lied to, cheated and manovered, etc. every day.Hard to tell what the truth is. The coments in these “Replies” are probably the closest to the truth (right or wrong)you’l find today. Sad isn’t it?

      • Kinetic1

        Penny,
        I chose not to comment on the WalMart case and I suppose I left the door open for assumption. I’m not a fan of WalMart, and I do know a thing or two about their practices, but even so it was a big leap to assume that you could group all these women together for one law suit.

        That having been said, I used to live near a company town. It began as a lumber town in the 1880s and over the years grew into a thriving town where, as in most company towns every aspect of life was owned and controlled by the company. Fortunately this lumber company was owned by a family who valued their workers and the forrest. They balanced their need for profit with sustainable harvesting practices. There was little need for government intrusion as they would never think of not replanting after cutting. The land was their source. They paid their workers a fair wage and improved the town to keep them there. The workers were there means. Of course they could have made more if they just cut as much as they could and paid as little as they could, but that was not their way. They were the example of Capitalism that is suggested in this article. Unfortunately, as with many companies like this a multi-national saw the profit to be made, forced a buy out and began working every penny they could out of the company. I don’t think I need to tell you what happened to the town.

        An idea that was often espoused by G.W. Bush is that a company will do what is best for the customer as it is in their own best interest, leaving Government involvement both unnecessary and unproductive. It sounds good, but as we have all seen it is, these days more often the exception than the rule. Car and tire companies allow dangerous vehicles on the road since paying off a few victims is cheaper than fixing the problem. Food and drug companies do the same. In the past companies turned to child labor to keep wages down. Children, instead of receiving an education were working as grease monkeys or doing other, often dangerous work. Adults who needed to make a living wage to survive were shut out if they refused to work for the same meager wages as children. Was that an example of the perfect balance? Companies ignored health and safety concerns leading to sickness or death as in the Triangle Factory fire. Was that another example of capitalism in balance? Maybe those women should have quit? Maybe they should have taken a better job at one of the other factories that treated workers the same? With money comes power, and it’s the corporations that have the money.

        My simple, one line comment was directed more at the writer’s argument that Democracy creates a perfect balance where all are free to do as they will. Using WalMart as a case in point, I am not free to shop where I choose if WalMart is the only store in town. If I am living in an area where there was once a wide variety of small businesses to work for, but it now has little more than the “opportunities” provided by WalMart, I may have little choice but to work for them. When a company grows unfettered and reaches the size and scope of WalMart, we begin to loose freedoms, not gain them.

      • Kinetic1

        By the by Penny, Ayn Rand the rugged individualist spent her later years living on Social Security and Medicare, so you’ll excuse me if I don’t give her work much weight.

    • Void1972

      Robert
      Great post!
      It’s refreshing to hear the facts and truth we receive on this site, compared to the lies we get everyday from our media, news, universities and magazines. I watched a special months ago on the unionization of Walmart. It was very interesting to see the amount of “African Americans” that were behind this demented scam.
      I know that the black man is the new communist in America, but wish they would educate themselves for a few more generations before joining with such a corrupt organization.
      If the commies ever get real power in America, the Blacks will be the first to perish, along with the Lawyers, Judges, CEOs and millions of the freaks that fought for communism.
      History will repeat itself, as in Russia and China.
      So idiots, be careful what you wish for and fight for, for one day you might receive it.
      God Bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

      • bp

        Void1972: If history repeats, where will we go? There is no other U.S.A.

      • Ernie S

        Rome fell. They became lazy and dependent on the government for everything. Does it sound like us?

    • s griffen

      Like the article says “shop with your feet” likewise relocate to China, Cuba, Venezuela or Russia with your body!!

    • FreedomFighter

      Marxism is a social disease, a govermental parasite that saps the life and vitality out of a nation.

      Even if capitolism is not perfect, its a far cry better than being numbed by lies and sucked dry by the parasitic disease of Marxism.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • Retiredarmyman

      You sir, Would not know a robber baron if it walked up slapped your face and stole your girl(guy) in front of all your so called friends.

    • kenholtz

      Spoken like a true fool

    • mrsgengiskhan

      when a poor person gives me a job, your robber baron mentality may have some merit. (NOT)
      why is almost every city/town council that has to approve a walmart to be built, vote against walmart ? meanwhile, private citizens continue to shop at walmart, keeping walmart in business.
      why are people attracted to shop at walmart, women slavery ?

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