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How I Learned The Truth About The State

June 23, 2011 by  

How I Learned The Truth About The State

I’ll never forget my last visit to lovely Hinesville, Ga. For it was there that I learned a valuable lesson, one I shall never forget: In a police state, we’re all criminals.

Think about it: How many laws have you broken today? This week? This month? Have you changed lanes without a turn signal? Exceeded the posted speed limit? Hired a neighborhood kid to cut your grass and then paid him under the table? Engaged in commerce with someone who is in the country illegally? Bought lemonade from an unlicensed “dealer” in the form of an innocent child?

In Hinesville, I was accosted for “animal cruelty.” We were traveling to visit family in the southwestern part of the state. In the car were my wife, my two young daughters and our two dogs, Methuselah and Garibaldi.

The older of my two daughters had a rash, so we stopped at Walmart to get her some antihistamine cream. We emerged from the store, less than 20 minutes later, to be greeted by an animal-control officer and the stereotypical police officer, complete with a Napoleon complex and cheesy mustache.

You see, we left the dogs in the car, with the windows down and a dish of water to drink. A noble citizen watched us emerge from the car and promptly called animal control. An agent was dispatched to rescue our persecuted beasts.

I was informed that I was being charged with criminal animal cruelty, subject to appear in court at a later date. Apparently, the fact that my dogs were panting was proof positive that they were at death’s door. Never mind that they always pant, even in an air-conditioned house.

The officer informed me that I was going to have to take the dogs to the vet to be checked out before we would be allowed to continue on our way. I am reasonably sure that such a request is outside of their official authority, but I agreed to comply upon the premise that they would drop all charges when the dogs were given a clean bill of health. As I suspected, they balked at this idea.

I tried another tactic. I calmly explained to the animal-control officer that we were not from the area and asked if he could simply levy some kind of fine, rather than require a court appearance. This is when things got fun. “Animal cruelty is a warrant offense,” I was told. It requires a court appearance and carries the threat of jail time. Then I made a crucial mistake; I asked a logical question of a law-enforcement officer.

“At what point,” I asked, “was I in violation of the law? When I left the car? Five minutes later? Ten minutes?” I wanted a specific definition for the cruelty in which I was supposedly engaged.

He couldn’t answer, but the heroic policeman — let’s just call him “Vic Maldonado” — sprang into action. This innocent question left him no choice but to pull out both his baton and Taser and charge toward me. When I raised my hands as if to say, “I am unarmed, and that is an unnecessary show of force,” I was ordered to turn around and place my hands on the police cruiser. I asked why; no answer was given, except to radio for backup and claim that an officer had been “assaulted.”

To this day, I am glad that he didn’t take the additional step of searching my car, wherein were two legal, loaded pistols. I shudder to think what might have happened.

I was cuffed and escorted to the back of the squad car. I sat in the car for half an hour, while my wife and children sat and watched. When the backup arrived, I watched and listened through the open front window as “Maldonado” reenacted the confrontation. I was particularly interested in the part where I physically slammed the officer against the car and he somehow found the restraint to not shoot or Taser me.

Eventually, I was let out of the car and cited for disorderly conduct. The animal-control officer apologized for harassing me and promised to see to it that the judge dropped all animal-cruelty charges. He was clearly shell-shocked by the escalation he had witnessed. The fine for my “disorderly conduct” was $300, and the court date was set for 7:15 a.m.

This made it reasonably certain that, even if I chose to fight the charge, it would require an overnight stay, the hiring of a lawyer and the incurrence of expenses far exceeding the cost of the fine. I think this was not a coincidence but rather a calculated way of raising funds.

I intended to pay the fine in legal-tender pennies, but was dissuaded by my father-in-law, who informed me that a Georgia judge had held someone in contempt of court, subject to another fine, for just such an offense.

Melodramatic prison movies always use corny lines like “prison has a way of changing a man.” I didn’t experience a prison visit, but my brush with the law certainly changed me. The last shred of the veil of naïveté was lifted; the myth of “Officer Friendly” was banished forever. What was once merely a vague sense of distrust has given way to a much stronger feeling: I hate the state.

The irony in all this? My family and dogs sat in a hot car for more than an hour while the police harassed me. Apparently, animal cruelty can be perpetrated only by citizens, not by the soldiers of the crown.

–Stefano R. Mugnaini

Stefano R. Mugnaini

is the minister of the Essex Village Church of Christ in Charleston, South Carolina. He holds a master of divinity from Amridge University. View his blog.

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  • BKWsr

    I was stationed in Hinesville GA. for three misserable yrs. in the late 70′s. Its interesting to see nothing has changed. I had a friend picked up walking home after a night of drinking only to have three police cars (that was all they had at the time) pull up around him. they beat the heck out of him then arrested him for drinking and driving, drunk and disorderly conduct. Of course being military meant he was quilty. I have many stories about that place, All the same. One good note 2 weeks later they tried the same with another friend of mine. Except he was not drunk and held 2 degrees in 2 diferant martial arts. The law did not do to well that night.

    • Klaus

      Now that’s a great story. I love it!

  • http://www.iff-ifoundfreedom.com Katman

    q. Do you have the ability to make a “legal determination”?
    a. NO.
    b. YES – good NOW answer the following;

    q. What law school did you attend?
    NOW for the better question.
    q. What’s the difference between a “violation of the law”, an “offense”
    & a “crime”?
    a. “Crimes” are “arrestable”.

    IFF you DO NOT know the law how are you going to hold the LEOs accountable to the law?

    • JUKEBOX

      To address the law school question, how many of the LEO’s do you think have ever attended a legitimate law school? If they had a law degree or were a member of the bar, they probably wouldn’t be out writing citations, unless they are on the old “COMMISSION” pay structure, which used to be prevalent in the South.

    • DaveH

      NOBODY knows all the laws. It’s impossible because there are too many laws, and too much Government. We need to change that.

      • Dan az

        There are over two million laws on the books and just in January 1st 2010 saw 40,627 new laws on the books in the USA and its overseas territories and protectorates. The fact that a judge can say ignorance of the law is know excuse is absurd to say the least.Do we feel safer now?

  • WayOutThere

    This is the essence of pure wickedness. As a Follower of Christ and his teachings – the cops are modern day Sadducee’s, pharisees, scribes and publicans. They fail every hypocrite test established by Mans Laws. Because they cannot abide Gods Laws and forgive their fellow man of all of his trespasses – they get a reward. They are vipers as Christ put it. And since God is the owner of all Justice – don’t worry about satan worshipping cops. They get everything they dish out and then some later. Pray for them – because Christ has told them – there is no mercy. And this is why I follow Christ, and forgive them. They have their reward.

    • hicusdicus

      You are way out there alright. Has it ever been mention to you that you may not be right in the head?

      • nmgene

        This country has allowed non believers to take over and now we are paying for it. When the Christians stand up and say no more we will be able to turn the country back to its Christian roots.

  • bp

    Most cops are just doing their job, but put a badge on a loser who needs a uniform to feel like a man and you get a Gestapo Nazi. Friendly neighborhood police are a thing of the past, like Ozzie & Harriet and Father Knows Best. They have a we-they attitude now and view everyone as their enemy; it’s all about their self-preservation. The state in general forgets they are serving the people, you & I; Georgia was founded as a criminal colony & has never out-grown that.

    • JUKEBOX

      My first experience with “LAW ENFORCEMENT” in Georgia was in a little place called Cusseta, in 1960, where the local officer took $60 from us on the side of the road two miles out of town, for a speeding fine. The last time I was through there a couple of years ago, I saw that they were still running their speed trap.

      • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

        $60 in 1960??! Good grief.

  • Glenn

    Welcome to the New World Order

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLInio

    a LOT OF [expletive deleted] A POLICE STATE YES OBUMMERS POLICE STATE.

    • Mike

      Too funny.
      You think this only started 2.5 years ago.
      Dream on.

      • eddie47d

        That is why they don’t truly know history although they will brag that they do. It’s been going on too long to remember.

  • Ray C.

    Don’t make the error of lumping every police officer into the same ‘bad’ category. And don’t forget the enormours number of jerks out there that steel your property, rape women, harm children and threaten you on a daliy basis. Our police officers risk their lives on a daily basis to protect and serve there communities. Most do a remarkable job. This officer appears to have overreacted in a bad way and there’s no excuse for that. File a complaint, the only way his shift supervisor will ever know and do something abou tit. Professionalism is important for such an important job and there are thousands upon thousands of professional police officers and animal control officers out there that don’t diserve what most of you folks are saying about them!

    • BKWsr

      It is true that there are some good law enforcement officers out there unfortunatly that is not what we are seeing anymore. And you are right we have so many criminals out there because we are not allowed to defend ourselve against them, And when we do as soon as a law officer gets there they start treating you as the criminal. That is what needs to change. Fix that, and you will see a change in you can’t hurt me criminal attitude.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        It is also because the police are fed up with putting their lives on the lines, arrest dangerous criminals, and watch the dirty lawyers and judges put them back on the street within 24 hours, because these scum bags have prostituted the law to the point where the innocents are now looked at as guilty and the guilty walk free and are protected by the very legal system that is supposed to lock their slimy arses up. Some even tell them while being arrested that they will be back on the street before the cop gets home for supper, and usually they are right. So is it any wonder a lot of these guys have attitudes anymore?

    • JC

      Ray C. says:

      June 23, 2011 at 7:43 am

      Don’t make the error of lumping every police officer into the same ‘bad’ category. And don’t forget the enormours number of jerks out there that steel your property, rape women, harm children and threaten you on a daliy basis
      ___________________________________________________________________

      Sadly Ray, they all wear the same uniform so its hard to tell the thugs from the professional policemen. Oathkeepers would be one way to make that distinction.
      And the Police don’t really get a chance to protect us so much as be the clean up crew. If you want protection, I reccommend a Kimber or Springfield .45. ;)

      • hicusdicus

        The Judge public defender is unsurpassed for personal close up self defense.

      • Dan az

        Was there ever a cop around when you needed one?Sure there just minutes away!20 or 30 maybe!
        Good choice of weapons I might add!

      • Al Sieber

        Dan, the cop’s almost never come out where I live and if they do they,re real nervous because they’re out of their element.

      • JLC

        JC — My .45 is a Colt. I have had it for over fifty years, and it has never failed me!

      • JC

        That’s great. I have no experience with one so I’ll take your word for it.

        “COLT – The Original Point and Click Interface” ;)

      • JLC

        JC — I have never owned either a Kimber or a Springfield in .45ACP, but I have never heard any complaints about either one. My impression is that both are, functionally, carbon copies of Colt.

      • nmgene

        Sadly the good Cops wont report or testify against the bad ones because they know they will pay dearly if they do. Judges, Prosecutors, Attorneys and Police investigate them selves and most of the crooks get away with it because they protect there own. I have known and been friends with many Police officers who were completely fed up with what went on in there departments. But were afraid to say anything about it.

    • DaveH

      I’ve been harassed by one criminal in my life. I’ve been harassed by 3 cops.
      I’ve had $1000 stolen from me by criminals. I’ve had several hundred thousand dollars stolen from me by Government.
      Let’s see — why am I a Libertarian?

  • Restless Native

    Guilty until proven innocent is what we get… thanks to the Unpatriotic Act. It’s an absolute disgrace, but we’ve entered into a criminal culture where, “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime!” is the modus operandi. Agreeably the reactions of those who used to be peace officers, are grossly dispropotional to the largely civil infractions they encounter. They’re being trained to act more or less as an internal para-military force than mere beat cops. Sad state of affairs at home. Praying for God’s mercy on our less than noble situation, and the re-annointing of our nation.

  • Onaje Asheber

    This very sad Mr. Stefano R. Mugnaini , But I do hope this have given you a great lession the that Blacks Folks have trying to share for ever in this nation. The Police State is and have always been in effect. We(Black Folk)are like the Carnaries in mine. For Black Men we are beat down and locked up or even shot to death. So you are lucky. We all must fight for better more just Nation for all people, quick,fast in a hurry!

    • DaveH

      First the Black Folks need to come to grips with the fact that Big Government is the Problem, not the Solution.

    • nmgene

      What the black population needs to look at is the fact that the Damocrats have voted against all anti racist laws since the 1800s. They are the most racist group in the country. They have only since Obama claimed not to be racist. The Senator Byrd who died recently was a higher up recruitor for the KKK and the Damocrats praised him as being a great Senator even though he was totally 150% racist. Check the votes on all of the racist bills that were passed totally by the Republican Party through out history. The facts dont lie!!!!!

      • Patty

        They do so love to keep them down and in thier place. Have you ever thought about how they give them just enough to survive, but not enough to get them independent? Sounds like a slave owner to me.

  • Louie

    Stefano I appoligize to you, but we do have egotistical fools for cops in Georgia, my state. I’ve had a couple of run-ins with them myself. When I mention what happened I get the “uneducated” reply…well you must have been doing wrong or you wouldn’t have been stopped. The police are there to service & protect…yea like hell, babie! To serve their ego & protect the coffers of the city.

  • kodster

    Welcome to the nanny state of the union. BTW, I was watching a DVD set last night, about The Occult History of the Third Reich… about the events that led up to WWII… the conditions of Germany, and reality, the rest of the world, and the mindsets of the classes that helped bring about the Great Wars of WWI & WWII. I got goosebumps, because I see too many parallels going on during that time period leading up to WWI & WWII… and now. I see the exact same events going on here in the US, and taking God out of our lives, open sexuality, change in spirituality, the elite class trying to control the lower classes, eugenics (Planned Parenthood, et al), etc. We’re headed for the same thing that happened then. History is repeating itself, once again, because we stupid humans don’t learn from history.

    • JC

      For sure, the same building blocks that were used in Nazi Germany are very much present in today’s USSA.
      Abolish The Federal Reserve and Restore the Republic…by whatever means necessary. :)

      • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

        Amen to that!

      • DaveH

        First, JC, we need to get people out of the mindset that every wrong can be controlled by Government.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Amen brother. Government intrusion is the reason for a whole lot of the problems we have in this country, in fact they are the cause of the majority of them.

    • JC

      PS, the only real difference is that Adolph Hitler, evil bastard that he was…could actually speak to a crowd and hold its attention…without a teleprompter. ;)

      • eddie47d

        You are all sicker than a baby with diarrhea. Ronald Reagan also spoke at the Brandenburg Gate so does that make him a Nazi? Pull your heads out once in awhile!!

      • Patty

        I think it would depend on what the speech addressed.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Ronald Reagan was a great American, who stood for a strong and sovereign America, and made other nations fear and respect us at the same time. Barack Obama goes around apoligizing for us being successful, and tells lies about us to foreign nations, and gives us a black eye constantly. Big, big difference. Obama would make a zit on Reagan’s buttocks. Understand that clearly my friend.

    • JUKEBOX

      I have been making the same point about the Obama administration ever since he made his big speech at the Brandenburg Gate, Hitler’s favorite speaking venue. Poor people who blindly have faith in the wealthy Democrat leadership fail to realize that they are just slaves on the government plantation.

      • Al Sieber

        I was thinking the exact same thing about Obama at the Brandenburg Gate.

      • DaveH

        It isn’t just the Democrats. The majority of Republican leaders are also after that Big Government brass ring.
        And that really isn’t a difficult thing to understand. We all like to get higher wages and benefits. The politicians are no different. We need to recognize that fact and actively keep them reigned in.
        We could start by using our brains instead of our emotions. For instance, 9/11 cost us about 3000 lives. So what does our government do? It expends 6000 more lives of our young servicemen, and over 100,000 civilian lives that have been lost in the conflicts. And that doesn’t count the tens of thousands of soldiers who have been maimed in those useless wars.
        How many terrorists’ lives were lost in 9/11? Not very many. Obviously they accomplished their goal much more efficiently than our Government has.
        This is just a small example of Government in action.

      • Dan az

        Actually Dave I feel that the Isrealies have the right Idea,for everyone that is killed by the terrorist 10 will be exterminated from there side.There has never been a time like now that we have ever needed to put one foot on foreign soil to take a life.It all can be done on a video screen.I think with that threat alone would make the countries leaders keep a firm hand on their radicals.All that is needed is to have someone with a backbone in the white house.

      • Kate8

        Dan az – Actually, the ultimate police state is right under our noses, and we aren’t seeing it. It is coming by stealth. We can’t stop that of which people are unaware.

        “…a new world-wide web emerging right before our eyes.”

        http://www.augustreview.com/issues/technocracy/technocracy_endgame:_global_smart_grid_20110609169/

      • DaveH

        Dan, I’m okay with 3 for 1 or maybe even 5 for 1, but 10 for 1 is a bit excessive. However, good point. We could have just given them great pain from above, and then just got the heck out of their country (Afghanistan that is, we had no business in Iraq). Nix the futile Nation Building. That way we would have lost very few soldiers’ lives, and the total lives lost (assuming the extreme of 5 to 1) would have only been 15,000, compared to the well over 100,000 that have been lost to date over there.

      • Dan az

        Another good one kate its a keeper!
        And Dave its time to kiss and make up!
        Can’t we all just get along :)
        sorry ccould pass that one up,come guys I luv ya both and we are on the same side now kiss and make up!

      • DaveH

        You’re a funny guy, Dan.

      • Kate8

        Dan az – I’ve never been one to be easily intimidated. You can shout me down, but that’s hardly a win. Won’t change a thing.

        It’s no big deal to me. But then, I don’t require my friends to see everything my way. I will balk when someone acts like a bully, but I’ll still love ya, anyway.
        :)

      • Dan az

        I guess thats the best I’m going to get,I accept that!Luv ya both!

      • Kate8

        Here’s one for ya, Dan az. A little change of pace.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Yfbchq0xQmQ&vq=medium#t=183

      • Al Sieber

        Kate, thank for the link, I subscribed for their news letter.

      • Dan az

        Thanks Kate
        I just finished it and that was great!Thanks!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I disagree that these wars were useless Dave. I was sick and tired of these guys continually punching us in the nose, again and again and again, and we did nothing. Clinton sat there and took it, and make us look weak, over and over again. Im sorry, but I cannot condone doing nothing. The world did that with Hitler until it was almost too late, before we got involved, or we all would be speaking German today. Now I will totally agree we could have gone about it in a different way. Myself, I dont like war, and I wish we never would have to have one. But reality says we do, for if we dont act, we will be fighting it here soon, or be taken over before we know it. I applaud Bush’s efforts in striking back, but me, some will say its harsh, or try to assault my being a Christian for it, but I believe I would have save all those American lives, and many others, by just leveling one of the middle eastern terrorist countries, be it either Iraq, Iran, Syria, or another, and turned it into a sheet of glass. Then I would have asked if anyone else over there wants to play attack America. Sounds harsh I know, but all of our dead soldiers would still be alive, and many of those to die on both sides in the years to follow, would still be alive. But thats just me. But I also am aware, to be a pacifist and sit back and do nothing, is a recipe for total disaster. Look at the facts in front of us that are recent. Clinton sat there and did nothing time after time. And what did we get for it. A bigger attack, 9-11 happened. That is what pacifism brings, and it has been played out in history over and over again. While only through the force of war, have we ever acheived peace. In the history of the world, only through war, has peace been achieved. Thats just how it is. I truly wish it were different, but it is not. My question to you I guess, is what do you suggest we did after 9-11? And I hope your answer isnt to do nothing. Clinton tried that, and that doesnt work. Please tell me what your solution to terrorist attacks on us is. I would like to know, because doing nothing is not the answer. We have seen what that causes.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You know, the Bible does charge us with appointing Godly men to positions of authority. We as a people have failed miserably in following that charge that God has given us. Its no wonder politics are in the toilet as they are, because we dont vote in Godly men. We vote in crooked corrupt lawyers.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Beberoni, We vote the suckers in because they lie from the get-go! A lot of folks don’t research the nominees past, and end up voting on what they hear coming out of a politicians mouths__These politicians are all for the people when they campaign for office, but their true stripes show once elected_Most all are nothing but a bunch of stinking liars.

    • http://www.mikeseyes.blogspot.com Mike N

      A good book in this regard is “The Ominous Parallels” by Leonard Peikoff. I highly recommend it.

  • Paul K.

    The reason they push you and me and every good citizen around is that criminals and illegals have rights, they know them, they get free legal assistance, and they have the ACLU, the American Criminal Liberty Union on their side.
    Plus, isn’t it the height of arrogance that police chiefs from East Gumshoe, to New York all were stars of rank. One or more, even 5 like Ike, Bradley and MacArthur.
    Even on a police force of three, the “chief” wears a star.
    Delusions of grandeur, ya think?
    All military veterans should be outraged at the mis-application of symbols of rank by what most are appointed officials.

  • Barry

    I spent a yaer and a half in Hinesville in 1963 and 64 while in the army and the same mentality prevailed at that time. Ludawicy, twenty miles south was even worse. I was on my way back to post when I was stopped for doing 50 in a 30 mph zone.I was a good quarter mile into the 50 mph zone when the cop pulled out from behind a vacant house and stopped me. I had no choice but to pay the $16 fine (I just had $16 – what luck) or go to jail. It was a half hour before bedcheck and I would have had to stand a court marshal if I wasn’t there.

    • BKWsr

      I was talking to a friend the other day who said the speed trap is still there. Infact a few years ago it was reported in a segment of 60 mimites. Some places never change.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        It is like that on Interstate 75 from Dayton all the way to Knoxville, Tennessee. The limit will be 70, then you look up without any warning at its 55, and there are state troopers lined up behind the hills on the side picking people off one after another. It just isnt right.

      • DaveH

        The people have created these conditions with their apathetic voting.
        Only the people can change that by getting educated to the realities of trading Freedom for Security (the illusion of Security, that is).

      • http://www.mikeseyes.blogspot.com Mike N

        If all roads were privately owned as in a laissez-faire economy, this would not happen with impunity as it does now. So go ahead folks, keep insisting that government must be the owner of roads and keep stamping your feet at the unjust consequences of said policy.
        One other point.

        In a society that condones a government policy of providing a safety net for every kind of need real or imagined, (instead of protecting people’s individual rights), the role of the policeman changes from that of a rights protector to that of a rule enforcer. The distinction between rules that protect rights and those that violate rights is lost. The policeman becomes the protector of those who make rules and slowly morphs from being the citizen’s best friend to his most feared enemy. The citizens have to demand that our government get back to “..to protect these rights, governments are instituted among men.”

      • texastwin827

        Mike, I don’t know what state you live in but a lot of our new toll roads, in the Austin area, are privately owned…complete with posted speed limits and local & TX Highway Patrolman issuing citatitions for speeding, all the time.

        Privately owned highways do not make any difference other than the state didn’t have to front all the money to build them.

      • DaveH

        I ran across this very pertinent video while looking for Drew Carey’s video on private roads:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfoYSrjNvjQ&feature=channel_video_title

      • DaveH

        Government does not like public scrutiny of its actions.

      • Patty

        Texastwin – so who owns those roads now? The french own a lot of the water systems in the US. I found this: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=123994 can you expound on this?

  • Thinkbug

    Apparently we’ve all had one of these experiences with people who were not screened out of the program by officials as they should have been. Perhaps we need a video channel of some sort to show these incidents when we are fortunate enough to record them as happens more often these days. Precise names and jurisdictions would seem to be a good thing. Is there any other way these could be reported in a centralized location to be easily accessed by the public? Loss of spending in those areas might benefit innocent citizens.

    • Greg

      The only problem there is that many jurisdictions have laws against recording the police and will jail you for it. In Illinois it is a felony! I recently read how an Illinois cop sexually assaulted a woman while on a routine call. When she complained to the department she was harrassed by them, so decided she would record their actions. Next thing she knows, she is in jail and charged with a felony for recording the police. So far the cop who sexually assaulted her has not been charged with anything, but she is awaiting trial for recording the police.

      • hicusdicus

        Illinois, The home state of our leader and savior.

      • karolyn

        Has this been in the headlines where you live? If not, it should be; and the ACLU should step in as well as the local rape crisis center.

      • nmgene

        Some courts have actually ruled that you have the legal right to record anyone in a public place including the Police. In alaska you will get a ticket for not using your turn signal coming out of a parking lot or even when there is not another car in sight for over a mile. The law here says you must turn your signal on 100 feet before you make your turn or change lanes even though there are many places IE that you cant put it on 100 ft before you turn. I act as security for the 12 plex that I live in, one night there was a disturbance which I rectified by making the person causing the disturbance who did not live there leave. He had attacked one of the residents. When the police arrived I was told to go back in my apartment, when I tried to explain I was security and had been a witness he told me to go back in my apartment or be arrested!!

      • eddie47d

        That goes back to giving the police too much power in your situation. On the other one I wish more people would use turn signals. So many turn into your lane without any warning and then about clip your front end.

      • Patty

        Thank you Eddie on that one. I ride bike. START SEEING MOTORCYCLES!!!!

      • pegasis

        Some of the biggest offenders of the traffic laws, ie: use of turn signals, passing over a double yellow line, etc. are the law enforcement officers. I video taped 8 differnt occurences by different officers in one 8 hour period. When I handed a copy of the tape over to the Chief, I was told to mind my own business ( there was DEFINATELY an implied “or else”) I have sent another copy to the State Att. General, and copies to the local television stations, along with a letter ( I have NOT signed my name or address to any of these…I am a “concerned citizen” I’m not a total fool!) stating that I have contacted the stations and Att general. I have also retained a very good lawyer. The Chief is, suddenly, very interested in investigating these incidents.

      • Christin

        Greg,
        Must be nice (for the police)to have a ‘special law’ (being union and all)to protect yourself from being caught by the citizens for breaking the laws the citizens have to follow.

        Sounds criminal and illegal to me.

    • Vicki

      Thinkbug writes:
      “Perhaps we need a video channel of some sort to show these incidents when we are fortunate enough to record them as happens more often these days.”

      Why yes there is. Youtube.com

      • Christin

        Vicki,
        Sounds like a good plan!

  • Lynn Claypoole

    …and why I avoid them like the plague.

  • David

    That story burns my butt! Luckily you maintained your composure.

    With respect to unjust laws, taxes, etc….people are like compressed air-they follow the path of least resistance. As costs of goods continue to rise and people are less able to pay for things; barter rules. Cash under the table to cut the grass allows the boy to be able to buy gas at $3.60/gal and get to the next job.

    Simple economics. If you push down too hard in one area a relief valve will pop off somewhere else. BUT big gov just doesn’t get that as they enter our country into the economic death spiral.

    • Kate8

      David – Don’t forget that laws are now being passed against bartering.

      There will, no doubt, be sting operations.

      • Patty

        The IRS has volumes on bartering and how it should be reported.

  • TIME

    Dude,

    I feel your pain, we have been turned in to Animial Control now three times since we moved here.

    One time was for walking my 14 year old and 11 year old Keeshounds without being attached to some kind of cord in our yard, we have 35 acres.
    Really these little fluffballs have never seen a collar let alone be tied to anything. They act far better than 99% of the people I have ever met.

    I had the police at my home last week with AC why? I was turned into to the AC by my neighbor for riding my horse in my own yard!
    You got it, thats in “my own yard” on my own horse.
    Oh also I was fined as my older horse, she’s 24 years old now, well she was grazing in the yard that was also a fine for not having the horse under control of an electric fence! I kid you not!

    We have also taken in a hord of wild cats; FIVE, all of whom we had fixed and shots all given to etc.. They live in our yard and sleep in my office around back or on the deck. So when the AC nit wit was at our home for not having the horses under control, we also got a fine for having to many wild cats.

    Hey nothing states, Welcome to our fair villiage like a wad of fines that make no sense at all.

    One has to question if we will also be fined for the hawks, owl’s, wild turkeys let alone them pesky deer that roam around our yard too? And be dammed the torpedoes we also have CHIMPMUNKS, even rabbits, and a skunk.

    Talk about crazy. We have a neighbor thats got a real bent frame of mind, yep, she’s the one who’s turned us in.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      Learn from and use your neighbor’s tactics: go plant a bunch of hemp in their backyard and then call DEA. Video the whole thing and put it on American’s Funniest Home Videos; you’ll win $10k!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Sweet. Thats great. And it just might work.

      • DaveH

        That is just one more reason we need to stop the insane Drug Wars. It is so easy now to frame the people we don’t like by planting drugs in their cars or homes.
        In fact here is one such example (read the story below the video):
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9Com08ILgQ

      • Kate8

        That reminds me of a few years back, I went to visit some acreage I own. Hadn’t been there in a long time.

        Walking the land, I came across a “growing” set up. Horrified, I cleaned it all up. I thought about reporting it, but was afraid I’d be blamed for it.

      • 45caliber

        Kate:

        It’s better to keep quiet or to raise a BIG stink. Someone found some plants on one man’s property and reported it. He didn’t even know it was there. He wasn’t charged with growing it – he was charged with possession of plants at a fine of $100 per plant. The fine was over $5,000. He couldn’t pay it immediately since he didn’t have that much cash – so they auctioned off his entire place. He got about seven thousand for it after they took their five. The man who got the place then sold it for about $40,000 profit.

      • Kate8

        45 – It’s amazing what people will do.

        Another time someone remodeled their house and dumped all of their trash (old windows, boards, etc) on my land. And then someone abandoned a car on the side of the road at my land. Both times I got letters saying I had to clean it up or have a lien placed on it.

        It seems that people can do whatever and you get stuck with the bill.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Ever seen the movie “An Innocent Man” with Tom Selleck, from years ago. Thats what they did. They went to the wrong house looking for a drug dealer, and saw him in the shadows holding a hair dryer that looked like a gun and shot him. After they realized they had the wrong house, they planted drugs in the house and he got sent to prison, where of course when he got out he got his vengeance on them, but your correct, it is so easy for them to get anyone they want out of their way by planting drugs, and your word against theirs doesnt go very far.

      • Vigilant

        That was a good movie.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Dave, I just watched a program on The History Channel, about Marijuana. Rediculous. The Federal Government has spend over 600 Billion dollars on its war on drugs, and they are not any further ahead than when they started, and now have a staff of DEA, FBI, and CIA agents working on it that cost a billion annually. And this cost does not include paying for all the legal action and prisons full of people, just from marijuana sales and use. It is totally rediculous. There are guys in there doing 25 years with no half time out for pot, and a murderer walks out in 7 to 8 years. Violent criminals, rapist, child molesters, even murderers, dont serve the amount of time a pot dealer does. Totally rediculous. But I will say this, a whole lot of lawyers and judges have gotten themselves rich over this. A whole lot of them, and therein lies the problem.

    • Angel Wannabe

      OMG TIME, That’s perfectly ridiculous!, sounds like the Neighbor just has it in for ya.

      • TIME

        Angel,
        I have been told by a few folks who know her she’s in love with me.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Well TIME, That would come under my “she has it in for ya too”!!! lol

      • TIME

        LMAO!!!!!

      • Christin

        Becareful TIME… sounds like a fatal attraction!

    • Dan az

      Hey Time
      You could sue her for being a racist!And write an article about her in your local paper.Fair play is Fair play!

      • Kate8

        Dan az, TIME – Why is it that there always has to be one idiot neighbor who feels compelled to monitor and report anything and everything.

        And it’s most always a liberal.

      • karolyn

        And you know that how?

      • Patty

        My EX Nazi neighbor was and also an elementary school principal. They had to move when he threw his wife down the stairs and she tried to slit her wrists. The deck builder (retired cop) and I had a picnic lunch on the back of his truck and watched the whole thing unfold. I just stared at him and smiled. GOTCHA! He didn’t like me because I caught him window peeping on my neighbors. I am also a night owl and it interferred with his night peeping route. Plus he would try to “pick me up” whenever I went to my mailbox. I told him if he ever approached me again, I would have a chat with his wife. My cop husband worked dog watch a lot. I kind of miss the police though, they were all pretty cool about it. They would show up and roll thier eyes in the direction of the neighbors house. They get a complaint, they have to investigate. It is in thier ballpark how they handle it after that.

      • Dan az

        Because karolyn any sane person would not bother with such things!

      • Angel Wannabe

        K, we know it because Liberals are noisy! Most folks mind they’re own business.

      • karolyn

        I don’t think it has anything to do with political persuasion. What it has to do with is nosey, and I am sure they come in all political views.

      • Kate8

        karolyn – Because liberals feel it is their job to force their ideas and beliefs on everyone else.

        Conservatives want to be left alone. We’ll mind our business and let you mind yours.

      • eddie47d

        If there is a draconian law on the ballot it is the Republicans (conservatives) who usually put it there. I hate to tell you Kate, they love to control peoples lives too and do it frequently,Marijuana,abortion,more police authority,extreme prison sentences for drug offenders and right on down the line. You don’t see your sides extremes and might even accept them as normal.Your side “secretly” endorses many things that give the police more authority to crack down on ordinary folks. That’s a reality you will have to overcome.

      • Dan az

        Wow eddie your logic just astounds me to no end!Which party affiliation is kate from or I, that thinks that its all democraps fault?HMMMMMMMMM
        The fact that you have never opened your eyes tells me that it would not do much good because there would have to be a brain attached to them.What part of a double headed coin would you choose the next time you vote?OH I know obummer is doing such a good job he should continue,Right?No edduh you have not got me pegged or kate or jeff or dave all you need to know is that you are to blame for where we are now,and not us.

      • eddie47d

        If you want to play Libertarian go right ahead but if you quack like a Republican all the time then you must be one. I have no clue who you cast a ballot for and you don’t know who I vote for. I stand by what I said to Ms conspiracy theory Kate.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        While eddie likes to cite the things the Republicans would like to do, like stop abortion, which I call a plus, he fails to note that democrats like to use our money to fund it, that they like to use our money to expand welfare, food stamps and other handouts, and that is alright with him. Imagine that.

      • eddie47d

        The comment was about Conservatives wanting to be left alone. I say that isn’t true and pointed that out. Big Whoop Te do.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I cant answer for him karolyn, but in my lifetime, I have found that liberals think they know what is best for all of us, and think we all should think and say and do as they do, or we should be quieted. Kind of like them wanting to shut down talk radio, because they only want their views aired, and feel the opposition isnt entitled to have their ideas heard, lest someone find the truth and want to follow them.

    • hicusdicus

      I used to live in community that went around and shot any cat or dog that was running loose. I have to admit that would not be a bad idea when it comes to teenagers.

    • C130 Gunship

      TIME- You have 5 wild cats and still have birds, chipmunks, squirrels, and rabbits around????

      Well, to tell you the truth I like cats too……….I just can’t eat a whole one by myself………..

      • Patty

        EEWWW! Funny though! :)

      • TIME

        C130,
        These little goofballs are FAT and LAZY so hunting is not even an after thought. One thinks its a dog and hangs with the dogs. The other’s sleep most all the time and when not sleeping they eat and eat and eat.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        My dog says “He pets me, he feeds me, he must be god”. My cat says “He pets me, he feeds me, I must be god”. That is the difference between cats and dogs.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Beberoni, LMAO!

      • TIME

        That’s a classic… Love it.

      • Christin

        Beberoni,

        That’s a good one – :)

    • Patty

      That reminds me of when a concerned neighbor called the police because my dogs were outside in a kennel. It was a chilly night maybe -20 in MN. These were 2 purebred professionally trrained black lab hunting dogs. They had a nice dog house with fresh straw. The officer came to the door as I straddled my infant on my hip. Told me someone was concerned about the dogs being left out there. Asked to see the kennel area. I told him I would have to bring the dogs in first, I wasn’t sure how they would react to a stranger in thier area. The officer went out and checked the kennel and dog house. He came back and said it was cleaner than a lot of homes he had been in. He looked at the dogs that were now panting from being inside for 10 minutes and asked what was wrong with them. I replied, they are hot, panting is the way a dog sweats so they do not over-heat. He gave me a sheepish smile. I asked him who the neighbor was and of course he would not tell me. So I told him to take them a message. MYOB and next time I will file harassmant charges if they come back and that those dogs get better care, treatment and vet service than thier own children. He smiled and said, will do.

    • Montie R

      Sounds to me that you need to push back. There are laws against harassment, defamation of character and false reporting.
      You also need to contact the county board of supervisors and file a complaint.

      • Patty

        I’m sure the statue of limitations would apply. That was many, many years ago.

  • Dntmkmecmoverther

    Wow; why not follow the K9 police car and watch how Mut n Jeff work. I have seen many times when the K9 unit leaves Fido in the back while his controller goes for a coffee at the gas station. A few videos of that and a good news crew ought to bring a sense of reverence to these goose stepping morons. I’d also follow the insane ‘caller’ who turned this family in to begin with; they are usually able to make the same mistake in their life; it would be sweet justice to watch them go through the same drill.

    Most importantly, why has an electorate allowed our governments to have such power? Franklin and all the founding fathers warned us about such power being given to a strong central government; what of the state?

    So much for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    • kodster

      EXACTLY! The Bible says that in the end times, such as we are in now, and that neighbors would turn neighbors in. Trust no one in today’s world!

      • hicusdicus

        What do you mean end times! This has been going on since Able and Cain had a drive by.

      • Karolyn

        kodster, I seem to recall reading or hearing a long time ago that the “end times” wouldn’t come until every person had been introduced to the word of God. Well, they just discovered another unknown tribe in Brazil, and no one can go near them. Seems like we have plenty of time yet, since the missionaries can’t get to them to ruin their simple happy life. They’re just sinners and will go to hell!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Here is a good one. My wife is driving down a small country road. She comes upon a state trooper who has a car pulled over, and is in the process of giving him a ticket. Here in Indiana, we are always told on TV commercials and everywhere, that when a law enforcement officer has someone pulled over, go into the other lane for their protection, or you will get a ticket. So as she approaches, she slows to almost a complete stop, goes into the other lane and passes the state cop car and the one he has pulled over. Immediately he gets into his car, turns on his siren, and pulls her over, and gives her a ticket for crossing a double yellow line. When she informs him she pulled over for his safety like we are told to do, he informed her that you cant cross a double yellow line, yet he had the whole lane blocked where you had no choice. Unbelievable. So the next day, I come across a state trooper with a guy pulled over, same scenario. I pull up behind them, and sit. I notice the officer look at me. Then he looks again, and then again. Pretty soon he storms out from in front of his car, and waves me on like he is a windmill, obviously wondering why Im sitting there. I was hoping he would say something, so I could tell him why I was sitting there, but when he waved me on, I drove on by. I was not going to let them screw me into a ticket for crossing the double yellow line. What Im wondering, as this is going on, is where are they at when Im approaching all these intersections where it seems I constantly observe, 2, 3 sometimes even 4 cars continuing on through the red lights after they turn red. Never see a cop there for some reason, and these are on the intersections in town that have the most accidents year after year. Seems the priorities are screw up somewhat, doesnt it?

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      Wow; [expletive deleted] in charge of ‘public safety’. Reminds me of reading of prewar Germany in 1934-39.

    • JC

      Try this….keep a camera with you at all times or use your phone.
      But photo-document things.

      • hicusdicus

        In a lot of places it can be a felony to photograph or record a law enforcement officer doing his job. I bet you did not know this.

      • Vicki

        hicusdicus says:
        “In a lot of places it can be a felony to photograph or record a law enforcement officer doing his job. I bet you did not know this.”

        I bet you (Hicusdicus) did not know that we are talking about the USA. Here it can not be a felony to photograph or record a law enforcement officer doing his job.

        Now it is customary to provide evidence of an assertion, something you failed to do btw, so here is my evidence.

        “By recording this public event on a public bus, including the recording of police officers, Khaliah was engaging in what is clearly constitutionally protected activity,”
        http://digitallife.today.com/_news/2011/05/20/6682855-teens-arrest-for-filming-police-marks-an-alarming-trend

      • http://personallibertydigest Rosemary W

        I agree, this is crazy anymore with these cops. I know there has always been cops like this especially small towns(which is what I live in ) But now most of them are federalized, and thats for when they need them to turn on us, and sadly they will.
        I had a van parked on my street for 4 days, cops would ride by and put a ticket on it, neighbors were saying , who owns this van?finally on the fifth day they come to check it out and it was stolen. I was at work, and my husband was asleep in our bedroom to wake up to 3 cops standing over his bed, telling him they were there about the van, he says why are you in my house I don’t have anything to do with any van. They said we knocked but no one answered?????? don’t that mean you go away? They said when a police officer knocks you MUST answer your door!! So they came in my back door. They took my husband out to the living room and 2 more cops came up from my basement.
        long story short I filed a complaint and wasted a lot of time to find out they can do whatever they want.If my husband made a false move being surprised that way he could have been shot, we all know how that goes. Oh did I mention my husband is deaf.

        http://www.infowars.com
        911 was an inside job…………..part II coming soon
        Dr. Judy Woods answer to how 911 happened.
        what happened to building 7

      • Christin

        Rosemary W,
        Wow, that is unbelievable and scary as heck.
        Bet that scared you guys for a long time.
        Standing over you in bed, man.

        I don’t think the police can enter your house like that over a parked car on a street that they’ve known about for many days. Why didn’t they come during the day like respectable ‘law enforcement’? And illegally searching your basement, wow. What happened to private property and search warrants? Bet they could have run the plates and towed the van in after questioning the neighbors during the day door to door.

        Hope you started locking your doors. Did you get a security system? I would have. Best to you both.

      • Patty

        Rosemary W – Wow.

      • DaveH
      • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

        Forget GA, Miami Beach cops are the worst to deal with. My son who was 17 at the time and a minor, was skateboarding in Miami Beach with friends. They were on school property and a cop came and they told the cop they would leave, very respectful. The cop called in back up and arrested them all for trespassing. It happened at night and my husband and I were up all night calling the hospitals and local police because our son never came home that night. The Miami Beach police did not bother to call us, or allow our son to call us until 9:00 am the NEXT day. Do not go to Miami Beach because you will be harrassed by the cops. They are all on power trips there and think the world revolves around them. The judges there are no better and they will always stick up for the cops. Nothing but corruption there.

      • DaveH

        Even without the corruption, it is just human nature for them to stick up for their fellow cops.

      • Christin

        Linda,
        DaveH,

        Many Police work in tandem with the Courts (Prosecutor, DA, Judge) who prosecute and get a conviction and/or payment of fines… helps with payroll, pensions and bloated big city gobernments.

      • Patty

        I could not tell you how many checks I write for Jury/Filing fees to the courts that never make it to the courst. Less than a million, close to over 1/2 6 figures.

    • Al Sieber

      I had the exact same thing happen to me in Calif., swerved to miss a cop who had someone pulled over, he wanted to give me a ticket bad but didn’t, this was on the freeway.

    • BKWsr

      The part I want to know is where are they while someone is breaking into your home.

      • Al Sieber

        BKWsr, they’re at the doughnut shop.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Al, that is funny as can be, I dont care who you are. That is hilarious. Here in town, the local fire department plays the police dept in broom ball on the ice between periods of a hockey game once a year. The fireman come out and place donuts on the back of the cops goal and over to the sides to distract them. Its great.

      • Kate8

        No wonder the cops are so irritable.

        They’re all hyped up on caffeine and sugar.

        Probably grew up on sugar.

      • Al Sieber

        Beberoni, that’s true about doughnuts, I have a good friend who’s retired law enforcement and he told me that they all know where to get the best doughnuts.

      • Patty

        Dudes, come on. That is from working dog watch while you sleep snug as a bug in your bed. They need the caffine and sugar.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Your right Patty, they need to stay awake during those stakeouts.

      • Padre

        When seconds count the police are minutes away.

        I lived outside of a small N.Az. community for about 5 years on 80 acres. When I moved out there with my partner there were a lot of breakins around in our area as many of the houses/cabins were used seasonally. I let it be known locally that our name for thieves and trespassers was “fertilizer”. Crime in our immediate 5 mile radius dropped to zero in less than three months. It remained that way for all the time we lived there.

        The point is that we did not believe in the concept of “its the other guys problem” when we saw something wrong. Nor in the concept of “the cops will handle it”. If more people looked out for their neighbors instead of spying on them we would revert to Americans again instead of a bunch of Stalinist wannabees.

        Personally I think we should build a twenty foot wall around N & S Dakota: take all of the people who need to have their lives micro-managed and stick them in S. Dakota, take all the people who want to “rule” them “for their own good” in N. Dakota. Then fill both with water. ["With apologies to the Republic of Lakota."]

    • Angel Wannabe

      Beberoni, That’s pretty d*mned ridiculous!

    • texastwin827

      In Texas you have two options to avoid a ticket while passing a patrol car that has someone stopped. 1) if you can’t move over, you are required to slow to 20 mph BELOW the posted speed limit OR 2) move over into the next lane, leaving the one next to the squad car empty.

      Before crossing a double yellow line again, y’all might want to verify what the law is in your state. You may be over compensating, putting yourself in a violation position.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        When there are only two lanes, on a country road, and the cop is blocking one of them. And you come to a complete stop, then make sure no one is coming, and you pull around for the officers safety, then then run you down and give you a ticket, is plain hogwash. Yes, the state laws anywhere say you cant cross a double yellow line, but common sense says, you stop, go around, and life goes on. Ridiculous. Thats why I stop now and just sit there until they get pissed off and beligerantly wave me on like Im nuts for stopping, but Im not getting a ticket, now that I know they are being stupid like that.

  • JR

    I have two family members who are law officers in the surrounding Hinesville area.. they are a really “independent authoritarian” group. And act just the story is told above. I know of three who were killed in a situation as above..the civilian survived with no injuries. Sometimes they ask for it..and some guys with Spec Ops backgrounds dont mind giving them what they ask for… too bad it is not called self defense when removing a threat from your person with matching force…. over a ticket for parking in front of a dumpster

    Amazing how they become “the law” per se’..they seem to think they are “above the law”

  • Jim

    welcome to obamas America …sit down and shut [expletive deleted] ..or else

    • Susan

      Really Jim? Really? There has never been a law enforcement officer who abused his/her power before Obama was elected president? Really? You are ignorant and YOU, and people with your mentality, are what is wrong with this country. I do not endorse officers abusing their power for one minute, but I also know that this type of abuse has been happening in law enforcement since law enforcement has been in existence. LEARN YOUR HISTORY.

      • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

        Susan, you better start paying attention to what Obama is doing to this country. He is stripping our rights away and only a fool does not see this. Wake up and quit drinking the Obama Kool-Aid.

      • Raggs

        I think his point is that it is MUCH worse now that we have a so-called president obama.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Susan… It will get worse. I fully expect to see Marshall Law declared before Obama’s 1st term is up. I really hope I am wrong, but American’s rights are being stripped away on a daily basis. Eventually it is all going to come tumbling down. It won’t be pretty.

      • Davidus Romanus

        That’s Martial Law. As in military rule.

      • Patty

        Susan – It didn’t just start but is has gotten PROGRESSIVELY worse.

      • Susan

        No, it has not gotten progressively worse. Abuse of power has been awful in this country since it was formed and no one cared because it was against people of color and people with no power to do anything about it. Once someone started making white males fall into line now it is a big outcry about police states and the like. Now, if all you anti-Obama people want to look at your history, look who was president when the RICCO laws went into effect and were used against people SUSPECTED of dealing drugs or earning money from the drug trade? Effectively obliterating a person’s constitutional right to not have property seized without due process. Not Obama. How about the Nazish National Security nonsense which was implemented under, oh who was it George Bush, after 9/11? Once again, not Obama. I have yet to see him get any law passed that was unconstitutional, name one? You want to talk about mandatory health care and how that is unconstitutional? What about mandatory car insurance? Isn’t that the same thing? If one is unconstitutional, the other is. If you took one minute to look at what uninsured people cost all the hardworking people of this country, you wouldn’t be so fast to fight against this. I WISH I could fins an insurance carrier for my son we could afford, he is too old for ours and has a pre-existing condition and has special needs. If we could have universal health coverage, I wouldn’t have to worry about him being in some kind of accident that would keep us all in debt for the rest of our lives.

      • Patty

        Wow, you put a lot in there. By progressive, I wasn’t thinking the past 2 years. More the past 10-15 years. I can remember when my ex husband cop caught a kid with roaches in the ashtry and a bag of pot. He made the kid dump the ashtray and fly the weed in the wind. He told the kid, you don’t need this on your record, but if I catch you again, that is where it will be. That was back when cops were there to help protect and serve (and counsel). There are (were)good cops out there. I think he was one of them. More later, need to take care of my dogs. Thanks.

      • Patty

        White males fall into line… That in itself is a racist comment. I posted elsewhere a long comment to a male on how family law attorneys view white males. Don’t want to do it again, too long. What is the difference between targeting people of color and “white males”. What?, pay-back? The white males you are talking about are dead and gone or invalids. Let it go. I don’t view anyone as having a sexual orientation except for the person I am involved with. They are all Hermaphrodite’s or A sexual. In other words, they have no sexual orientation in my view. I could care less whom they do so long as it is a consenting adult human being. Boy, am I going to get it on this blog now. You give me the impression of a white male hater. Why is that?

      • sylviam

        Susan —- Car insurance is NOT mandatory in ALL states, As you said it was. Tenn. is a good example the law would love it to be but it is NOT. Having insurance is to protect YOU from being SUED is case of accidents. I do NOT mind paying insurance or having to get MY vehicle inspected at all. I know it is SAFE to drive on the highway as it should be.
        My driving record is CLEAN and have been driving for 55yr. Can most people say the same. OBAMA’S MANDATORY HEALTH PLAN is another story. Parts of it is UN-CONSTITUTIONAL, and VIRGINIA is one of the STATES that had a suit against the GOV. for that purpose. WE HAVE MED. INSURANCE WITHOUT OBAMA, all of HIS MANDATES and MOST OF EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE IS UN-CONSTITUTIONAL or AGAINST THE LAW OF THE LAND.
        For the rest of your LIBERAL SPEWING, get over it and LIVE with it.
        GOD BLESS AMERICA

      • Patty

        Also, driving is a privledge not a right. And when you drive you do it on gov’t. roads. Plus, I have seen it in MN (mandatory insurance) where people drive without insurance and have an accident and screw up someone else pretty bad. Thier UM-UIM kicks in but may not cover it, then they have to go after those people for damages. They either have nothing or it could bankrupt them. Insurance is expensive, but when you have sue crazy hungry attorneys out there getting 25, 30, 50k for a fender bender for thier client who really isn’t hurt, it drives up the cost.

      • Patty

        Susan – I am pretty much Libertarian. Live and let live, leave me alone and I will do the same. All of those laws, rules you sighted, were not part of my thought process. Both sides are in kahoots with each other as far as I can see. I just see the american people as being sold a bunch of cr*p by both sides. I believe there is a shadow gov’t. that directs both sides, and by the time the majority figure it out, it will be too late. We will all be slaves.

    • karolyn

      This has nothing to do with Obama! It’s always been this way with cops. I remember back in 1972 when my husband and I were afraid to travel through Georgia to get to Florida for our honeymoon because of the stories about cops.

      • Kate8

        Yes, brutality has always gone on with police. It’s just that it is becoming more and more prevalent.

        Under Obama it is becoming policy rather than incident.

      • karolyn

        I don’t think so. Look way back to the early 20th century and prior. The people, especially blacks, had no voice with the cops.

      • eddie47d

        Those were some real horror stories.Obama is a saint compared to the good old boy cops of yesteryear’s. You anti-Obama people are the ones that need to get a grip.I know you try to thread everything into the White House but stop looking so obvious.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Obama and his good old boy Chicago politickers are a different cat eddie. They dont have to operate in the wide open. Cross them too many times, and you just disappear. Thats the way they roll.

      • karolyn

        Have you read “Dreams From My Father?” That gives you some idea of what kind of righteous man Obama is.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Karolyn, Sorry, but words mean nothing today when it comes to politicians, ya gotta watch what they do__Obama, RIGHTOUS???
        Should be spelled “Riecheous” when referring to Obama!

      • Kate8

        karolyn – I wouldn’t waste my time reading books such as those allegedly written by Obama, but more probably by Bill Ayers.

        Those works of fiction were written to try to establish a history for someone (O) who couldn’t expose his real one. Who knows if any of it is real.

        But righteous? Yikes.

      • Karolyn

        The first book was written in 1995. You’re telling me it was all made up! BS! It’s a very deep and detailed book; and makes a lot of sense, showing what brought him to where he was at that time, setting the stage for later accomplishments. Very telling. It’s really sad you see the boogeyman around every corner.

      • Kate8

        karolyn – What’s really sad is how gullible you are.

      • Patty

        Eddie – Obama has people on his staff that threaten people forcibly and send them dead fish via mail (Emanuel). That goes directly to Chicago thuggery. That is right, he went back to Chicago to be mayor.
        Sick. Threatening a no fly zone over TX. WTF. If I never fly again, it will be too soon. Sure will miss Mazatlan. Will ride down to see my friends in Shiner, TX.

      • eddie47d

        The article had nothing to do with Obama and I certainly don’t encourage Ben’s non-stop insanity in saying so anyone else.

      • Patty

        Karolyn – Have you read Dreams of My Father in it’s entirety? I just can’t believe that you have and not caught on to the fact that he hates half of himself to the degree that he has not imploded.

      • Patty

        Kate * – YIKES! is right!

      • karolyn

        The schools here are very good.

      • Jay

        Barack Obama is a deeply troubled personality, the megalomaniac front man for a postmodern coup by the intelligence agencies, using fake polls, mobs of swarming adolescents, super-rich contributors, and orchestrated media hysteria to short-circuit normal politics and seize power.

        Obama comes from the orbit of the Ford Foundation, and has never won public office in a contested election. His guru and controller is Zbigniew Brzezinski, the deranged revanchist and Russia-hater who dominated the catastrophic Carter presidency 30 years ago. All indications are that Brzezinski recruited Obama at Columbia University a quarter century ago. Trilateral Commission co-founder Brzezinski wants a global showdown with Russia and China far more dangerous for the United States than the Bush-Cheney Iraq adventure.

        Obama’s economics are pure Skull & Bones/Chicago school austerity and sacrifice for American working families, all designed to bail out the bankrupt Wall Street elitist financiers who own Obama. Obama’s lemming legions and Kool-Aid cult candidacy hearken back to Italy in 1919-1922, and raise the question of postmodern fascism in the United States today.

        Obama is a recipe for a world tragedy.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Sorry Karolyn, I dont read books that people write about themselves. It is too easy for one to make themselves walk on water, and hide the truth. Like a Hillary Clinton memoir written by her I would not read, but one someone else wrote, like a book called “Hell to Pay”, that exposes the truth about her, then that would be worth reading. Obama is not a righteous man, I assure you that. I can see right through him. He is a puppet of the democratic administration, and he will do whatever they tell him to do, and say whatever they tell him to say. A righteous man isnt owned like that.

      • Patty

        Karolyn – I must have lived in MN for too long. Although all of my relatives live in the south (forever), (MO. on down) and they never have told me things like this about police. The school system is a different story.

      • karolyn

        Yes,Patty, I read the book, and that is not my perception. He dearly loved his mother and grandparents, but as, with most interracial people, he identifies more with the black side. He’s no different than the majority.

      • Patty

        I find that hard to believe when he makes comments like, …”sit in the back of the bus”…towards the republicans who are mostly white males, that whole book is riddled with racist remarks.

  • Angelwannabe

    I agree, Stefano, you were outta state which the local police love, and they needed a ticket quota__This was absolutely ridiculous!

    My husband experienced an over blown incident too__He was taking our Daughter to work a few years ago, because her car was in the garage being fixed. She was late, and the old man was wrong to being doing a 42 in a 35, and a rookie in the township pulled them over. He ordered my husband outta the car, acting as if he was a hardened criminal, just fresh on a jail break. He ordered our daughter to stay in the car. He had drawn his baton, but when the old man mumbled “Oh My God” in dis-belief, he drew his pistol and ordered my husband to back away with his hands up.___A senior officer who knows us well, was with this rookie, but was on the phone in the police car. We the rookie drew his weapon, the senior officer jumped outta the car and ordered the rookie to stand down, that this routine stop didn’t warrant a drawn pistol. My husband said he guessed the rookie was embarrassed, and continued to taunt the senior officer & old man with smart ass ed remarks. Finally the Old man said to the senior cop, “that the rookie needs to go back to school to learn some manners”. The senior cop knew this had gotten outta hand and ordered the rookie back in the the police car, three times before he finally got in. NOW_The old man fully expected to have to pay the fine, in which he did, but as a result, the rookie officer lost his position. My old man isn’t unreasonable unless you blow something way out of proportion, this definitely was. Our Daughter said she couldn’t believe how over blown this incident had gotten.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I know quite a few policemen who are good cops, and good men. And I feel for them, as they are taunted by people quite a bit, and looked upon bad because of the bad cops, which are many. Too many of them have “the little big man syndrome”, where they are little men but think of themselves as big men know because they have a gun and a badge, and they prostitute the law because they think of themselves above the law. And its damn dirty shame, because like I said, there are good men and women out there who put their lives on the line daily, only to have them discounted by some of these punks that wear and uniform and carry a badge, and bully themselves on others. Shame on all you law enforcement officers, who use your position to your advantage, instead of using it for what it is for, to uphold the law, and to protect and defend the citizens you are paid to protect and defend.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Beberoni, I was surprised as hell at this incident, Our police here are pretty good Joe’s, and quite honestly, ya have to do something threatening or at least really stupid for them to bother ya. But a ticket for 42 in a 35 is a little ridiculous.

        NOW__Here’s a funny one for ya, this happened, oh lord, 30 years ago, when things weren’t quite as over blown!

        __My Father in law was head of the Board of Supervisors of the Township back then. _and my Mother-in law, had quite a heavy foot when it came to driving__ She sped past the Chief on her way home from work one day, and the Chief fired up the sirens and put a chase on her__She was about a 1/4 mile away from home, so she decided she’d stop for him in the drive way. Well the Chief was passed that she didn’t stop before that, and scolded her about speeding, she told the Chief “you were driving faster than I was, if ya caught up to me!” He gave her a ticket and she paid it, and sparks were flying when My Father-in-law gave her H*ll for speeding & getting smart with the chief. My Father in Law never believed in favors. If ya did something wrong ya paid for it.

      • BKWsr

        If your talking about Hinesville I do believe it happened, I was stationed there and seen a lot worse.

      • DaveH

        The problem is that the position attracts pushy people who want power over others.
        Two of the 3 cops I have known, were chronic liars.
        I had a friend who became a sheriff, and his brother said he loved to brag about the arrests he had made and how tough he was.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Daveh, I said the before on another thread but, we had a friend and his wife who divorced___later he found out she was sleeping with one of the police on our police force. Now this friend was a drinker,no denying that, but we knew him well enough to know, he tied to stay our his ex life and the police’s way. But the cop dating his Ex, just badgered him both emotionally, financially and legally, til our friend finally moved outta state. This is just wrong, the cop only got away with it, because he could.

      • Angel Wannabe

        daveh, typos sorry–didn’t check it before submitting.

      • DaveH

        I got threatened with the same (ex ran off with cop former neighbor). Never happened, though.

      • Christin

        DaveH,

        I think there are a few good cops left, but many are on a power trip and a high which emboldens them when they have the gun, baton, handcuffs, badge and power to do as they please… and the Courts of injustice are on their side. They want you to submit to them as the ultimate authority… after all they have your freedom in their hands.

        To quote the poster, Patty, “It’s in their ball park how they handle things.”

      • Kate8

        Beberoni and Angel – It looks to me like officers are now being taught in the academy to consider all of us dangerous criminals and to treat us as such, and ask questions later.

        Considering the lawlessness these days, one can somewhat understand it. But again, things are viewed as black and white and leave no room for considering the situation nor the obvious caliber of the citizen being stopped.

        Here again, as in TSA, all humanity is being removed, and we are livestock. This has become true across the board, whether in force of law, medicine, education, or just everyday life.

      • Angel Wannabe

        kate8, It’s bad out there, the old man wanted to be a state policemen when we were first married. I told him if I had a say in it, that I didn’t want him to do it. I didn’t want to be widowed or raise my kids wihout a Dad, I was that afraid of it. But I left it at that and up to him. Nothig was ever said and he never pursued it

        __As I stated above our police aren’t that bad here, but in the 35 plus years we’ve lived here, I can definately tell you, they fly up past our place with sirens blaring, at least 2-3 times daily anymore. __I have to feel for them because wether we like it or not, these cops when they go out on call, they go into a situation blind!_-I would imagine training ones self not to over react is a tough one.

      • Tom S

        I was in law enforcement for 22 years. That’s after putting in 20 years in the military. As a young cop, I worked for a number of a$$hole supervisors at the first department I was with. An officer couldn’t even stop for a bathroom break w/o the permission of a supervisor. Lunch was 30 minutes and started when you got out of your car and you were required to be back in your car going in service before the 30 minutes was up. If you got a call during that 30 minutes, tough, you answered the call and MAYBE a few days later, a superrvisor would allow you take a few extra minutes. I put up with their “micro management” for 10 years before I finally got hired by another department. The second acency was the complete opposite of the first. The Chief’s rational was “we’re all adults and I expect you to act like one”. We went to lunch w/o having to ask. We didn’t have a ticket quota, the Chief wanted us patrolling the neighborhoods instead of bushwacking drivers to write tickets. I enjoyed my last years in law enforcement and retired as Chief Investigator with the rank of Captain.

        My point, not all agencies and officers are bad. I put up with plenty of abuse from the public, it was part of the job and you learned to handle it in an adult manner. If someone crossed the line and grabbed me, the gloves were off and I did whatever I needed to affect the arrest within the dictates of state law and the rules of force.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Tom S, well said, and I don’t believe all police are bad. As I stated above, you guys get a call and have assess the situation on the fly, and you don’t know what your really walking into until ya get there. I can certainly understand that. As for the gloves coming off, I’m the same way, I’m a friendly Gal, until someone starts something, gets stupid or pushes the envelope. Then whatever ya get, ya get!

    • Mary

      The QUOTA make them predators after us. I tell you is getting worse by the day. We live in a police state for sure. Look like our skin is thicker than the turtle shell…What a disgrace.

  • http://deleted Claire

    Seems like decent people have to “pay” for the actions of the lowlife jerks in this world. This comment applies to many instances.

  • http://personallibertydigest bob

    Due to their job,the police think everyone they encounter is lieing to them. Once you ask a question you are putting them on the spot & you’re questioning their authority. That is a HUGE personel insult to the officer. All they want to hear is “yes sir”. They don’t want to talk they just want to give out tickets & be on their way.You can tell it to the Judge in court. This way they did their job with ease. The new officers will be Ass@#$%^ trying to make a name for themselves & filling out tickets.The ones with experience & people skills would look in the car see the windows open & the water bowls and let you go. Then again you are from out-of-state & that puts a target on you’re back. You ain’t from around here is ya? Boy!!! This here is Georgia,Boy!!! If we say you are guilty of a crime,you are guilty!!! You don’t have a RIGHT to free speech or the RIGHT to question my AUTHORITY!!! Boy!!! “What we have here is FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!” BIGREDJERSEYBOY

    • Vagabond

      bob as a retired truck driver I must take issue with you about the officers in general, no they are not all [expletive deleted]. granted there are some. I have met some very fine officers from Maine to California. I met an asshole in Va. he was such a SLIMEBALL when I got home I saat down and wrote the Govenor of Va. a letter.cost me 4.50 to mail it to the governor’s hands only, shortly I got a call from the Va. State Police a first sergeant who was very nice and he assured me they were well aware that they got a bad apple once in awhile but thanks to people like me they did weed them out, the officer?? was fired.

      • karolyn

        You make a very good point here. If I was faced with a really bad officer, I would certainly report him. I live in a rural area of SC. A co-worker’s son was being harrassed by a new cop in town who was shadowing him and bothering him. She went directly to the police chief and the officer was called on the carpet and disciplined. This has happened twice with 2 different officers. On the other hand, I have heard terrible stories about another police force with some of the cops throwing their weight around. As has been said, they are not all bad. However, it pays to be respectful and not push the issue. I’ve known that since I was a teenager. You get more bees
        with honey.

        I also think that they are pretty fair around here. I had an occasion where after giving me a ticket, the officer said that if I appeared in court, he would drop the charges.

        At one court appearance for a traffic violation in another town, all defendants were told that if they didn’t have the money for their fines immediately, they would have to spend the night in the county jail. I had never heard of such a thing in my whole life. Normally, courts work with defendants on payment. I was glad I had some money in the bank, and there was an ATM across the street. Later that year the officer and the judge were indicted for embezzlement. I guess they had been splitting the cash they were getting from the defendants.

      • jay diggity

        I grew up in the bronx and never really had any troubles. I met a FAC on the triboro bridge one night who gave me an 80 ticket for changing lanes before i got to the toll. I was a terrible storm and i was hydro planing near the center divider. I told him that and he didnt care.

        Outside of that most of the times the cops have proven to be quite civil. I think people need to be real careful with cop hate. The dark days were in now were being groomed to hate each other to make the NWO’s job easier.

        Dont be sheep. Not everyone is a bad apple. You can find a** holes in ANY profession. At any position. They just tend to accumulate around positions of power unfortunately.

      • 45caliber

        I agree with you.

      • Jana

        I have never really had any problems with the police either. I am very fortunate.
        One day i saw a policeman sitting on the side of the road and I thought to myself I had better be careful and not do anything wrong as I sailed through the stop sign. MOAN.
        I just pulled over and waited for him to come to me which he did. I told him what happened and he didn’t even give me a warning ticket, just a verbal warning. Boy did I ever feel stupid. I haven’t done that one again.

    • D G

      AMEN!

  • s c

    I have a question, Stefano. If the ‘fine’ for that warrant offense amounts to $300, then what is that officer’s “cut” from his acting like a redneck Nazi?
    I’m tempted to ask what the judge’s “cut,” would be,
    too. I have to wonder if they’ve considered going public and selling shares to maximize the full monetary potential of that circus.
    Remind me to stay the #^** out of Georgia.

    • Gary

      It isn’t just Ga…it’s everywhere.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy 131

        That’s very true, it is everywhere today, and people wonder why, when the subject of the possible collapse of our economy is discussed, resurrection and revolution is immediately interjected into the conversation. The governmental powers of today give only lip service to the US Constitution and what it stands for, and violates its mandates daily with immunity. One needs to look no farther than the TSA and the 4th Amendment, as well as Obamacare’s purchase mandate, and the restrictions put on the Christian religion only, to know that these violations now go to the top of all our governments, local as in this article, state level, and federal, for it is now a national problem. It can not be corrected through the ballot box, for it has been embedded in our society by the liberals, progressives, socialists, communists, of the Democratic Party with the assistance of the communist organization of the ACLU. A country that was founded on the precepts of the Christian God, today refutes Him or refuses to stand up and support His precepts, and in doing so has been helping the socialists, communists, and Democrats in creating a Godless society, and one that no longer subordinates itself to the Declaration of Independence, US Constitution, Bill of Rights, or even the teachings of the Bible. It’s time has now come, and with Obama and the Democrats racing to bankrupt the nation, destroy the US Dollar, and cause the collapse of our economy, those true Christian Patriots are ready and willing to restore this country to what the Founding Fathers left as their heritage for us, and restore God to His rightful place in the society that, sooner than later, will be restored through resurrection and revolution.

      • hicusdicus

        Irrational belief in multiple Gods is what causes most horrific episodes in peoples lives. Belief in mythical beings is truly the work of the devil. Human intelligence is the most over rated commodity on this planet.

      • DaveH

        Certainly, your’s is overrated.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Of all the god known to man, there is only one God who lives, and that is Jesus Christ. He is alive and well. This, I, and many others know for a fact, because He has revealed Himself to us. One day, you will also see Him, as you bow down to Him and give an account of yourself to Him on judgment day, as will I and everyone else. All other religions gods, still have bone lying in their graves where they did. Only this God lives, and and didnt rot in the grave. Big difference.

      • Maryland FreeStater

        Reply to both Randy 131 and hicusdicus:

        As a deist I believe in God but reject clergy and am also selective about what I read in the Bible. It’s debatable whether refutation of Jesus (and by default, GOD) is the cause of our present leftist maladies, but simply allowing these TRAITORS to become so entrenched in our midst is a fault of our society. Nobody ever learns from history: people also refuse to see the truth in what’s happening around them. Evil (IE, democrats, liberals and other criminals) get away with the gowna they do simply because they’re allowed to be able to.

        Someone said, evil is weak but only succeeds where goodness permits it to. I believe this is true: but as Mr. Mugnaini points out, it was too hard to fight the system because the system ‘nickel and dimed’ him to death. That’s one of the ways evil is successful, death of a thousand nicks – it’s way too difficult to combat this by an ordinary, righteous person especially when the evil becomes entrenched.

        It’s this type of philosophy that’s made liberals so successful in all their efforts – ‘community organizing’, envirofascism, entitlementalism, you name it- because they’re inherently dishonest – just like EVIL. Good can only fight back as a unity because the ‘system’ has redesigned itself to disable ONE MAN from making a difference. Thousands of Grannies standing for hours in a cold annapolis rain at a Tea Party rejecting Obamanism are the death – fear of liberals…

      • home boy

        your right. there is only one god. but it’s not jesus. gods name is jehovah. it’s in the bible over 7000 times. but you must have missed that or maybe you bible has omitted his name. heres a common sense question; when jesus was on the cross dying he said to his father forgive them for they know not what they do. so if jesus was god why would he talk to himself? one more . when jesus was out in the wilderness for 40 days here was tempted by satan and was offered the rulership of the world if he would bow to satan. he told satan he could not take something that was his fathers. read your bible and stop listening to people who do not know what they are talking about.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        hicusdicus…. What does your comment have to do with this article?

      • always right

        Got to agree with DaveH on this one

      • James

        In the New Testament, ‘Jesus’ was transliterated from the Hebrew Yah shua meaning God the Saviour. The Greeks added ‘Christos’ meaning man’s flesh. Thus Jesus Christ actually means ‘God the Saviour in the flesh.’ That He is the same God as the Old Testaament’s ‘Lord’ was atested to by Christ Himself. In John 10, Jesus was asked “If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly” (v. 24). In verse 30, Jesus said: “I and my Father are one.” Being the Christ is the same as being the Messiah, the incarnation of God.

      • Vigilant

        Maryland FreeStater,

        Kudos from a fellow Deist. Good words, sir/ma’am!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Note to homeboy. Jesus is the word. Note – John 1:1 – In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, and the Word was with God. He was there in the beginning. Just as it also says that “He knew you before you were in the womb”. Now to a man, that is nonsense, one would say how can you know before? But to God, anything is possible, so put someone who can create you, and all that is around you, and put them in a box. First you have to understand, than man was created by God, and originally, there was no death, no pain, no suffering or tears. But man fell, became disobediant, and did the one thing he was told not to do, “Do not eat from the tree of knowledge” He failed in the one thing he was told not to do. Then sin entered in, and man has been born into sin and fallen ever since. And there was a huge gap between us and God. And this was caused because our God gave us free will to choose between right and wrong. To fill this gap, for us to come back to Him, He manifested Himself into flesh, and came to earth to be one of us and to live with us, a man of flesh, yet a man of God, yet another example of how we should be, men of flesh, yet of God. He came to serve man, not judge him. He said I love you this much, and took the nails for you and I and all of us. And just as the scriptures said way, way before this, He rose again from the grave, the only God in any religion, not to undergo decay where worm and rot ate their bodies. All other religions gods are dead and buried and their bones are still there. Not Jesus Christ, and the open grave is there for all to see. And all who call on His name are saved, and things do get revealed to you when you take this step. I know, I am one. And I have been given revelation to the truth, as He said in His word ” They have eyes but they do not see, and they have ears but they do not hear”. But once you ask Him in, I assure you, your eyes get opened as do your ears, and you hear and see. So Im telling you, Jesus is God, and His referring to the Father, is symbolic to us to always defer and be obediant to Him. Some parts of the Bible are literal. Some are symbolic. And until your eyes and ears are open, none of it will be clear. A lot of folks dont know, the Bible is written as a guide for believers, not some magic book that unbelievers pick up and are changed from reading it. Without the Holy Spirit inside you to decipher it, its just a book of stories, and to a lot of people, thats all it is. Whenever I read posts where people say “its got a lot of good stories in it”, they immediately show that they are unbelievers, because to the unbeliever, thats all it is, is stories. To us who believe, it is the wisdom to guide us in the right way. And to so many who dont know, they think that if someone is a Christian, were supposed to be perfect. To which I say Ha. Right. Were still humans. Still wearing the flesh. Still tempted by Satan, even more now. We are persecuted and picked on, and basically these days its open season on Christians, Catholics and Jews. All others are hands off, but these 3 you can say and do anything you want, and its ok, but you do half of what is being done and said about Christians, and its considered what they now call a “Hate Crime”. But Christians arent afforded this protection, and hey guess what, the Bible tells us about all this. It clearly tells us “You will have trouble in this World.” See John 16:33. Have a good time, I must tend to someone troubles that await me.

      • karolyn

        Beberoni – Catholics ARE Christians! And I see no persecution in this country at all!

      • Jana

        karolyn,
        He didn’t say Catholics weren’t Christians, reread what he said. Also, just because YOU haven’t seen the persecution doesn’t make it not so.

      • Karolyn

        Jana – He said “Christians, Catholics and Jews.”

      • Jana

        NITPICKING again huh karolyn?

      • Pete

        What about “Landru” ?

        Are you of the body ? You speak as if you are not …..

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bhueml6MqI

        The good must transcend the evil.. you will be absorbed …

      • denniso

        The article is about police abuse,or over reaction…not about anyone’s god,goddess,or devil.

        We have let police assume too much heavy handed authority over the people for decades and more.It used to be very common for police to jail someone for ‘vagrancy’ if they couldn’t provide proof of income.Things aren’t that bad anymore,but police often go overboard,beating innocent people or shooting people to death when not necessary.
        The Repubs always fight efforts to set up police oversight boards to try to control the cops in their actions w/ us. We should all agree that all law enforcement needs monitoring and some control from us citizens,otherwise abuse becomes epidemic.

      • James

        Jesus said (John 14:6): “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Why would anyone include ‘Jews’ in with Christians?

      • denniso

        You make a fundamental mistake of putting your ‘faith’ in one book. One book that was written over a period of a thousand yrs or so,by flawed men. There is no corrobating evidence from the time to support anything about Jesus.And,Jesus was a Jew,right? And the first followers were Jews. When they split away from the mainline religion and followed Jesus exclusively,they became Christians. Big deal. The mainline Jews just didn’t believe that Jesus was the son of god,so they kept to their couple thousand year old religion.

        All religions are a figment of the humsn imagination,as all gods are.

      • Jay

        You make a fundamental mistake of putting your ‘faith’ in one book. One book that was written over a period of a thousand yrs or so,by flawed men. There is no corrobating evidence from the time to support anything about Jesus.And,Jesus was a Jew,right? And the first followers were Jews. When they split away from the mainline religion and followed Jesus exclusively,they became Christians. Big deal. The mainline Jews just didn’t believe that Jesus was the son of god,so they kept to their couple thousand year old religion.

        All religions are a figment of the humsn imagination,as all gods are.

        Denniso, this is merely your opinion or figment of your imagination, and your rantings, hopelessly flawed, you cannot prove it, and yet you state it as if it were fact! The apostles were Jews, but the majority in the early congregations were gentiles, you mental midget! Why do you insist on making a complete **s of yourself when you engage in the topic of religion? Advice: Keep your mouth shut with respect to historical Christianity, and you will avoid MUCH embarrassment!

      • James

        Denniso, Christians don’t put their faith in a book, their faith is in the fact that Jesus miraculously healed thousands, in open-air meetings. Early Christians saw Him crucified, they saw Him after He resurrected, and also witnessed His ascension into heaven. They saw Him exercise divine power over death. If those events didn’t happen, there wouldn’t be a Christian religion.

      • Jay

        James, it is also important to point out that on the eve of His, Jesus’s arrest, all the disciples ran like scarred rabbits, “I shall smite the Shepherd and scatter the sheep”, but after His resurrection, not one them denounced Him, even unto death! What did they witness that turned them from cowardly sheep to courageous lions? The proof perhaps, that He was God by His resurrection?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        To expose denniso’s lies, or lack of knowledge, when he says there is no proof of Jesus, I offer this evidence. Do you believe in Julius Caesar denniso? I bet you do. Now, are you aware, there are over 30 times the amount of original manuscripts, from all those years ago, that talk about Jesus Christ, in that many more documents, than Julius Caesar? Are you aware of that denniso? And His tomb still exists in Israel, with the original rock rolled aside that covered the opening. Its all there, but evidently you choose to be satan’s pawn and play the devil’s advocate. But the proof is all there if one is actually looking for the truth. But being a liberal, you obviously see no point in seeking the truth, or you wouldnt be on that side. And Karolyn, I was raised with Catholics, I was once married when I was a young man for 8 years to a practicing Catholic, I went to every Catholic church in town, over 20 of them, and though there are many, many fine folks in the Catholic Church, and though they do worship the same Jesus I worship, they are not Christians. You see, Christians follow Jesus Christ, and He is their first love. Catholics follow the Roman Catholic Doctrine, which believes entail many, many unscriptural things, which the Bible addresses. When the Bible says “You have lost your first love” Rev.2:4-6. I believe this is the Catholic church, as they have lost their first love, Jesus Christ, and they follow the Roman Catholic Doctrine. I personally know many, many Catholics, as close friends and we talk about these things, how many have not confessed a sin to Jesus from day 1, ever. They confess to the Priest, who I assure you, is not God, and cannot wipe their sins away. You cannot have a kid go to confession, then tell him if he mops the gym floors for a week, that his sins are forgiven. Yes, my friends all grew up doing this. Or set bowling pins at the Church bowling alley for a week, and their sins are forgiven. Give me a break. This is so wrong. Only Jesus can forgive sins. Not you, not me, not the Pope. Only Jesus. Thats its. Purgatory? You show me that in the Bible. Again, I have sat down with Fathers and brothers and many priests and sisters, and its part of the Roman Catholic Doctrine, not the Doctrine of Jesus Christ. Sorry, not there. How ludicrous is it to say that you can be a son of a gun all your life, and then you die, you float around in purgatory and if enough people liked you and pray for you, you get in? That is ludicrous. The Bible says their is one way to heaven, Jesus Christ. Thats it. To insist otherwise means He went to the cross for our sins for no reason at all. Sorry, Im not going there. And not allowing your preists to marry? You wonder why there are so many of them committing sexual crimes, even against young boys. It is our nature to desire sex. God created it, for a man and his wife to enjoy each other with. Its not dirty, but satan has made it that way with all this pre-marital sex and orgies and perversion going on between the same sex. And yes, Paul did say, I wish you all could remain like I (a virgin), where He could fully give of himself to doing the Lords work, but he also said, “if you must, meaning give it to sexual desires, then get married and take a wife”. I assure you, my pastor and his wife love each other, and have had children, and it is a normal wholesome thing. To deprive the priests of this, is what is causing all these child molesting things to happen, and then, if that isnt bad enough, when they are caught, instead of being appalled and removing these pedophiles, they protect them and transfer them to another state as if nothing happened. Im sorry, that is not Christian at all. Forgive them? Yes. Let them stay in that position? No. No way. So there is a difference, a big differece. Christians follow the doctrine of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which was dictated by God through the Holy Spirit to man. Catholics follow the Roman Catholic Doctrine, which was written by man in the way they though things should be. Quite a difference. I am well versed on this one, and have had many sit downs with Catholic priests and brothers and sisters, as they call the nuns and the brothers are the guys working towards being a priest, who is then called a father. Many, many talks. In fact, the Catholic priest who married me and my ex wife, before I was a Christian mind you, we talked 3 or 4 times, and around 6 months after he married us, he left the Catholic faith and ran off and married a nun, and he is a protestant pastor to this day. Hmm.

      • James

        Hicusdicus, There is only one God. Jesus proved He was the incrnation of God by the many miracles he performed. Scripturally, the only god Satan challenged was Christ. What will prove all of that is when Jesus returns and removes Satan from his seat of power.

      • C130 Gunship

        Randy-Just remember, what goes around, comes around.

        Our day is coming.

      • Void1972

        The article is about abuse of power, and someone speaks about God, and we get off the subject. This is why America will fail. You morons are so easily distracted off the real issues, all it takes is one word to throw you into a rage where you have no idea why your mad.
        We all know God is real, and for you that don’t know, who cares? Live your life as you please, the way God intended.
        The Police take an oath to uphold the constitution of the United States of America, but the fact is they work for the corrupt lawyers that create and control the laws that make them millions.
        When i received a speeding ticket last year in the south, within two days I was sent over 15 letters from local lawyers to reduce the fine. The majority of the money went to the lawyer, and the town received about 25%.
        Only in the new America.

      • FRANK DECOLA

        99% Of what you say is rubbish you have been demonized by the conservative nut cases.

      • always right

        WOW! Speaking of “nut cases”!!

      • eddie47d

        I still get shocked by police misconduct and find it abhorable. It has to do with power whether Republican or Democrat. Yet everyone on this site assumes that cop has to be a Democrat hired by Obama himself. I doubt that but you all burst in delight in thinking that is the case. I’ve known liberals who have been harassed by the police and I doubt if they think too highly of them either.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree with eddie on this one. I think if a person in law enforcement is the type to want to harrass someone and play god over them, they could care less if your democrat, republican or libertarian. They just dont care. Those that do this sort of crap, are just looking for someone to stomp on, and thats it.

      • karolyn

        Agel – It’s SHE, and why is it whenever Obama goes anywhere, everybody complains; but it is OK for our gov. to spend OUR money on a lush vacation. She doesn’t work anywhere else.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Karolyn, there are plenty of politicians out there who “moonlight”. Just becasue your not aware of any, doesn’t make it so.

      • Patty

        Eddie47 – I know for a fact that many officers are not democratic. I was married to one. I think the poster was probably referring more to the union they belong to and how the union of Police and Fire backed Obama. They (union) do try to get you to vote for who thier pick is.

      • Mike in MI

        eddie47d -
        best be careful, sir. Those cops are probably union members. doing what they have been ordered is their “union duty”.

      • Good O’le American

        I think we all look like nutcases to at least someone else. The point of this whole discussion is the over-reaching power that our local, state and Fed’l Government has taking in its pursuit to “Protect and to Serve.” There use to also include the word Integrity. This is by far a distant memory and is refreshing whenever you do come in contact with an officer of integrity.

        Many of the comments have been right on. You know who you are. I am also biased to the God of creation but chose to fight my battles carefully. I enjoyed an earlier comment when someone rightly mentioned that too many Christians and others with a religious view got distracted by God talk. The case here is speaking of over-reaching power and I would like to stay on topic too.

        What is going to make a difference is when we all take to the airways and record our encounters with these thugs. They may not like it when we do but what protection do we have? I really hate it when they use cameras on us but the moment we use it back on them they make a law to prohibit it (in some states). Most of us would rather not get into politics because we are so afraid of being scrutinized or criticized for a lack of experience or from something we done bad in our past. But if you and I, with common sense, would just do it we could overrun our offices with people that really could make a difference and then weed out the real crazies and power hungry. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that a kid selling Lemonade on a corner is not hurting anyone. The law that made it illegal would be one be stricken from the books along with many thousands of other stupid laws. It is time to make things right before things get too left. Now who’s with me on this?

      • sylviam

        I think the Man was thinking of his family first, as he should do. But I do believe the Police Officer was and is WRONG, and not only did the wrong thing, but in his mind HE WAS WRONG, by putting MONEY in front of doing the right thing.
        God says The RICH MAN has as much chance in getting into HEAVEN as a ELEPHANT has getting through the eye of a NEEDLE, meaning greed and lust for MONEY is an abomnation to GOD.
        If it were me and being threatened with JAIL, would have fought the ticket with the TRUTH, and maybe he would have lost the case, but the fine of $300.00 would have been the same. Stand for what is RIGHT, and TRUTH, for it will need no defence.
        GOD BLESS AMERICA

      • nmgene

        The Police are trained that we are all liars and criminals, the courts have ordered that the police can lie to you but if you lie to the Police it is a felony. They will twist everything you say to make you look bad for the Judge, They will lie in there reports which is also a felony but they get away with it. Do you ever wonder why Judges discipline Judges, Attorneys discipline Attorneys and the Police discipline the Police. There is no Justice in this country unless you can afford the most expensive Attorney and then you still lose the money you pay him even if you win your case. There are very few honest Police, Attorneys or Judges left in this country.

      • Wolflar

        I don’t know what to think sometimes when I hear or read words like that from someone who sounds intelligent! Do you not know that in any police state forums like this are monitored by the (STATE) just looking for stuff like you just wrote? I can see it now those of you who survive standing before a states judge being sentence to 50 year to life for domestic terror and being denounced by every media outlet both liberal and conservative. not only that the state could and would brand the christian right as an terror organization. So my friend are you a misguided person or a provocateur?Remember Waco, Ruby ridge and from what I have read a whole host of other places have been used as a test bed to gauge public reactions and from what I’ve seen the tests went well! We as a people have been put into groups. What I mean is we are conservatives they are liberals, we are for a freedom they are for a nanny state which is a police state, we are pro-life they are anti-life. This is just a small sample of the ways they have all of us by the short hairs and then there is the disagreements among ourselves and the while the state becomes stronger with new laws to “keep the people safe” Unlike so many people I can’t speak for the American people I only speak for me we’re in some deep ____ with no way to dig ourselves out.

      • Dons621

        Wolflar You have covered this case pretty well, —- BUT the change is coming just as obummer promised when he forms his CIVILIAN ARMY. There are double wired compounds built next to Rail road tracks that are empty. What are their purpose and why have they been recently built. Are they for the millions of “Emigrants”, No they are obummers friends,can they be for Muslims no again, or Terrorists again no. That just leaves the people that will not fall down on their knees to the “Anointed One”. Obama should be Impeached for his actions, but NO ONE in the Congress will do it. Why because they are as guilty as he is and he has the proof. The only way to save America is to make a deal with THE ENTIRE CONGRESS to full immunity for their past dirty deals and roll over on Obama.

      • http://att Troy

        AMEN!

      • Rick Evans

        Yea welcome to the south where the Right wing has truly brain washed the majority, where they are the ones that have took your constitutional
        rights and shredded them all for the corporations benefit and did this under the name of God and freedom,truly sad how ignorant the majority of people are down their.

      • karolyn

        Amen! And, where SC’s wonderful new Republican governor is vacationing in Paris on our dime while promoting cuts in everything to benefit the people!

      • karolyn

        PS – Nikki Haley was a Tea Party fave!

      • Michael J.

        Rick Evans said,

        “truly sad how ignorant the majority of people are down their.”

        How ironic it is that someone like yourself who accuses others of ignorance, is blissfully unaware of the proper usage of the word “their”.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy 131

        Knowing the history of this great nation, and believing in it’s documents of birth, the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, may seem to be brainwashing to you, but to us it is the acceptance of our heritage and the striving to maintain that heritage, against the onslaught of the liberal progessive socialists and communists, under the Democratic Party banner, that are hell bent on usurping the rights and freedoms guaranteed by those documents and enslaving the American people to a government that was established to have limited power, subordinate to both the states and the people, instead of the opposite, for which you and your union goons are attempting to achieve. In the south the people are still free to work and keep their earnings, without organizations forced on them, to deprive them of part of their earnings for the benefit of those running unions. For all of these reasons I will gladly accept your accusation of being brainwashed, if you would actually read the birth documents I listed above, so you may become educated, and if you understand them, you may have a different opinion of the people in the south, despite your union bias.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Karolyn, Ya ever stop to think that maybe being a “Republican Govenor” isn’t the only thing he does to make a living?__If such is the case, then its none of your business where he vacations, is it?

      • Angel Wannabe

        Karolyn, the same was put to Chris Christie the below link was his answer.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BYoO32uNEc

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        my my karolyn, how quick you are to politicize with the South Carolina governor spending your dime. Ahem. Have you seen at all, Michelle Obama’s spending? It is atrocious. The woman is living high off the hog, and spending your and my money, at a record pace that is shattering all records before and probably after also. And everytime you turn around, these Obama’s are on a vacation. I wish my job had that many paid vacations. Holy cow man. Pay attention before you start pointing fingers girl.

      • karolyn

        Angel – Hard thread to follow. I responded in the wrong place. Nikki Haley is a SHE. Why is it OK to bash Obama when he goes places on BUSINESS, but it’s not OK to complain about our governor partying in Paris on OUR money? Especially since she’s a Republican friend of Palin’s and is crying about cutting everything!

      • karolyn

        Beberoni – Totally different animal. Michelle Obama is an ambassador to the world! Nikki Haley has no business in Paris! First Ladies have always traveled. And I really don’t think they’ve taken that many vacations. I recall two – one to the mountains in NC and one to Hawaii – Oh yes, and they went to LA.

      • Karolyn

        Angel – She’s independently wealthy – family business.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Karolyn, Even all more the reason to mind your business, she’s evidently paying her own way?!

      • Karolyn

        Angel – No she’s not – we’re footing the bill. Plus,, she called the legislature back from their break to take care of some business and then just up and left!

      • Angel Wannabe

        Karolyn, Good Grief Woman, Petty Tonight aren’t we?__If The Govenors independently wealthy outside of being Govenor, why is it her trip coming outta your pocket? nuff said, end of a crazy conversation??!!

      • Patty

        Here is what she is doing there. Then on to Germany. Maybe they are trying to get more Areospace jobs in your area.
        http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20110616/BUSINESS06/306160019/South-Carolina-sends-delegation-to-Paris-Air-Show

      • Lee Baldwin

        REVOLUTION, Randy 131 ~this country has already “gone to hell in a hand-basket.”

      • Me

        “A country that was founded on the precepts of the Christian God…”

        Absolutely not.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Our forefathers all believed in God, and formed this nation on the precept of one nation under God, acknowledging the creator. To try to deny that, shows your lack of knowledge of the truth.

      • bb

        right on brother!

      • Tom Raines

        I agree with every line and word you just wrote,except I would like to add that its not just the democrats that are at fault here,Its everyone in our country including republicans,the republicans have thier get tough on crime agenda and believe the local and state police officers and local judges should have more discretionary ability at the scene and in the courts to decide the treatment of civilians when aprehended.
        Most of these police officers have anger management issues or are worse criminals than the public they are suppose to protect.
        I have been threatened in kentucky once because I questioned why I was being unfairly charged with a lane change violation,because of traffic cones in the right lane,he informed me if I did not be quiet he would have my semi searched and that there would be drugs found.
        I never once raised my voice,yes sir ,no sir,I had to sit there and listen to him rant on and on about how sorry truck drivers were.
        People when you are traveling becareful you will run into these situations and you will be far away from home were defending your honor and your record will be very costly in time and money and when you show up on time for court they know this and can refer your case to another day and claim thier docket was overloaded,your lawyer will charge you for every appearance,this will be choice one the other will be to plead guilty and allow it to go on your permanent record wich will follow every where you go,sad to say but the best thing to do is remain curtious and respectful,bite your tongue ,you are litterally at thier mercy and the less you say the less charges you will have to decide about latter.sorry thats just the way it is!!!!!

      • Chuck

        True. Podunk Crewe, Va. had a local cowboy on its payroll who made up his own ordinances and they seemed to love him for awhile because of the revenue he brought in. One of his favorites was pulling people for going thru yellow lights of one or the other of the two traffic lights going thru town. I had three run ins with him one for starting to go down an alley ” to circumvent the traffic light.” He also told me it was illegal to drive down an alley unless I lived there.(BS!)–I was going to pickup a coworker on the way to work.–Finally one of the town lawyers convenced the town council they were headed for a lawsuit and the cowboy suddenly found a job someplace else.

      • Al Sieber

        I’m glad there’s no cops where I live, just the BLM ranger once in a while to check on me and the other miners to make sure we’re within the law, I see him once or twice a month. I told him we were putting a gate up to keep the curious out and give him a key, he said he would check on our equipment when we were away. at least I get along with this guy.

      • http://randall701jen@charter.net Working Man

        My home town of Jennings, La. (pop. 12,000) has ALWAYS had a Nazi-
        type “enforcer” on the police force. Paul M. was the enforcer from 1984 to 1994, then a few others followed him thru out the years.
        In Dec. of 2010, I was stopped by the current no-crime-goes-unpunished
        enforcer for not comming to a 3 second stop at a stop sign…at 6:am
        in the morning. He also ticked me for haveing illegal tenting on
        my truck. I told him that I bought the truck 4 years ago from a car
        dealer with the tent, and that I was never told when I had my truck
        inspected that it was illegal. I offered to take it off right there,
        but, no, the jerk told that that “I had 4 years to take it off”.

        I knew the city judge, and he reduced my ticket to only running a
        stop sign. Bottom line….ALL SMALL CITY’S AND TOWN’S HAVE THEIR
        “NO-NONSENCE ENFORCERS” to keep us law-abiding citizens in line….
        while the sell of drugs is taking place in broad daylight in certain
        sections of town!!!

      • Good O’le American

        I am going to start a Action Committee in every small town in America. We will root out these Judge-loving boot lickers. It won’t be hard to do using a cookie-cut program I have developed and Craigslist. If this leftish Government doesn’t think “We The People” can do anything about it they have something coming. Thank you for sharing Working Man. Everyone needs to start a community wide action committee in their community. Then force these small, medium and large towns to change their ways or else. You would be surprised trust me. Then these anti-constitution loving, Nazi police, wolf-in-sheeps clothing attorneys and Judges can move to a Muslim country. All real Americans need apply.

      • FreedomFighter

        I really dislike the idea of abusive policemen, they are the thin blue line that keeps society from chaos. I support police officers in all ways possible, I comply when asked, the sad thing is the character quality of police officers is going down. Way to many jackbooted thugs are now wearing badges, carrying guns and abuse the position of authority given them.

        Police are not picked for fine character, only taking orders, like any good attack dog.

        You have to ask yourself:

        Why does goverment want order obeyance, attackdog style police officers without strong moral character?

        Power and control, power currupts, and corrupt police and goverment officials is an all to familiar occurance in todays society. They have authority, weapons, training, we have the constitutuion and legal avenues for our grievences.

        We Americans are losing our constitution, our rights, our freedoms to this ever growing Progressive/Socialist-Marxist transformation of our goverment, they need order taking jackbooted thugs to enforce thier NEW (world) ORDER.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Vicki

        The one thing we do still wield. Truth. We also have technology. Video cameras and the internet. Using these tools we CAN wield the truth as never before. It may not save us but it, along with prayer (you choose to whom), can and will.

      • Kate8

        FreedomFighter – The PTB have spent the last 2 generations breeding the socialist thugs who now lord authority over us. They are the way they are because that is how the controllers wanted them. They will be the ones who come knocking (or breaking you door down) to confiscate your weapons, and they won’t think twice about shooting you with little provocation.

        They have an army who’s been bred to obey, and whose loyalty lies with the government. We are simply the herd.

      • Penny R. Freeman

        What you people need to understand is that a dog’s normal body temperature is quite a bit higher than a human’s. No I really don’t understand the overreaction of the police officer, but I do understand the charge of animal cruelty. On days when the temperature seems ok to you the temperature can quickly rise to over 100 degrees inside a car. And dogs can die in cars and trucks even with the windows rolled down. And jaspers that’s a proven fact. Ask your vet. Yes I am an animal lover. I have two dogs and a cat. Unless my dogs are going to the vet or on a very short trip with us they’re almost never inside a car. When we’ve been on longer trips there’s always someone in the car with them and if need be the air condition is on. If the temp in the car is hot to you it’s unbearable to your pets, and dangerous. The fact that dogs can and do die in vehicles even with the windows down is also true for small children. Would you consider leaving a young child in a car alone? While you may think this was a ploy to get funds for the city I live in a city that always has a surplus, so it has no need for any additional funds. Is that sort of action considered animal cruelty? YES! And it is enforced? YES! You may think that the reason the city has a surplus of funds is laws like the animal cruelty one. WRONG! We live just over the state line from a state whose sales tax rate is three percent higher than ours, and I wouldn’t even want to guess how much higher their crime rate is. With the lower taxes and because we are so close to the state line we get a huge influx of people from the other state who want to pay less and feel much more safe because of our excellent police force. To add to the city’s benefits there’s a major north-south highway that passes through parts of the city which makes it a convenient spot for travelers and tourists visiting the city just to the north of us. So any time you carry and animal in a vehicle be sure someone is there with them. And did it really take four of you to find an antihistamine cream? Maybe you needed a guide to find the door to the store!

      • karolyn

        Great post, Penny!

      • jda

        Hear hear to the post, I thought the same thing why did it take all the human memebers of the family to take care of the problem. Why not take the ticket and argue the point in front of a judge rather than argue at the scene…

      • Tom Raines

        you know I dislike people who take out thier agression on animals ,but animals have always been and always should be private property and its people who think animals should have more rights than people that are causing these problems,
        They give thier money to communist organazations like the humane society of the united states and they take most of the money and put it in thier pocket and put the animals taken to sleep almost right away ,they spend a large part of thier money on lobbiest for gun control,stop the private breeding of hunting dogs and to stop all hunting or fishing, this is where your money goes very little goes for helping pets or domestic animals.
        they should be ashamed of the tactics they use to get people to donate thier money so they can use it not to help animals but progressively take your liberties.

      • Suzette

        Leaving a child in a car alone and leaving an animal in a car alone is NOT the same thing. I have dogs and I like them….I have children and grandchildren and I love them. It is NOT the same thing. An animal dying is not equal to a child dying! Please explain why the animals, children and wife had to sit in the car and wait while this man was harrassed? Are the animals more important than the children??? The reason they all went into the store was BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO! You actually think someone should have stayed and “babysat” the dog? Seriously? I wouldn’t! But neither do I let dogs lick me in the mouth…..or sleep with me….or sit on my couch and chew on their butts. These dogs were not being abused, I dare say they are fine right now. The very fact that they were going on a trip with the family shows that they care for them…. The wrong here was not done by this family….this man, it was the police overstepping their boundaries.

      • Vigilant

        Last year here in upstate NY my kids and some friends were shooting clay pigeons in the back yard. I live about a mile out of town and am surrounded by 125 acres of my own woodland. The kids (17-18) were under constant supervision of a person over 21 years of age.

        The firing went on for about 45 minutes, certainly not rapid semiautomatic fire but what you would expect for clay pigeon shooting, one or two shots, pause, one or two shots, etc. They were firing into wilderness with buckshot, so there was no chance of anyone being harmed.

        As the kids were finished and cleaning up their spent shells/debris, three cop cars showed up (state trooper, county and town). They spread out into my back yard with hands on their holstered glocks, told the kids to freeze and proceeded to frisk them. No boy had a hand on any weapon, they were just cleaning up.

        I went into the back yard when I saw what was happening, and I asked the cops what their business was. The state trooper said, “shots were fired.” Good God! This is a rural area.

        Nothing came of it, of course, and the cops didn’t even take my name, the owner of the property, so that tells me that what they did was both overkill, and possibly trespass. I didn’t pursue it, as I had neither the money to fight it, nor the intention of putting myself on the sh*tlist of local law enforcement.

        This is what it’s coming to in NY.

      • Al Sieber

        Vigilant, that’s why I left NY in 1969, the cops were bad enough then, I heard the NY State Troopers were federalized. friends from NY that visit me are surprised we can have handguns here, but things are changing here Arizona law enforcement are training for civil unrest.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        New York. No thanks. I stay clear of that dirty liberal state if I can help it.

      • 45caliber

        Vigilant:

        The whole point was to embarrass and discourage those shooting so they would be less likely to do this again. For one thing, they don’t want people who are trained to use guns. For another, the less you shoot, the more likely many people are to just give up their guns.

        One question was: who called it in? It had to be one of your neighbors.

      • Vigilant

        Never found out who it was that called, we suspected it was some residents in the retired condos about 3/4 mile away. These people move into the country, and expect that it’ll be like the city living they came from. Much like people who buy property around an airport and them bitch about the noise.

        You’re right, Beberoni and Al Sieber, NY has become an awful state to live in, high taxes, a dysfunctional but greedy legislature, and home of some of the worst liberals in the US (Schumer, Wiener, Rangel, etc.). We throw more taxpayer dollars to “education” than most states, and we get the least results. If it weren’t for my deep ancestral roots here, I would have left a long time ago.

      • Al Sieber

        Vigilant, I grew up in Saranac Lake, Tupper Lake, Lake Placid, etc., my father taught me hunting, fishing, trapping, how to handle fire arms, and the military taught me more, and how to live out in the wilderness and that helped me out a lot. I can’t imagine how NY is now.

      • Penny R. Freeman

        You know you people get so far off the topic it amazes me that you have time to do anything besides write your messages and responses. Yes the fellow was upset that he got in trouble because he left his dogs in the car and a cop and animal control officer showed up. The cop apparently, at least by this guy’s account, went beyond what he should have and it cost the traveler money. First you folks bash cops because they were the ones at fault, then it’s the military, then it’s Obama. Who’s left? Yes most of us have had issues with police officers at one time or other in our lives, and most of us have had neighbors that weren’t exactly “neighborly.” But don’t you think you go above and beyond when you blame everybody and bring up every incident from your past to make a point about everybody else is to blame but you? Get over it and take responsibility for your own actions. No wonder attorneys make more than the president and a lot of CEOs. There’s always somebody who wants to file a lawsuit over something because it couldn’t have been their own fault that they had a problem.

      • Jana

        Penny Freeman,
        You sound like one of those sweet little ole ladies who would gladly turn someone in.

      • Tom Raines

        penny one of these days you are gonna be aproached by the gastopo that our poilice ae becomming because of the lobbiest from the far left wing ,like I imagine you are and if its not you it will be someone you care about,I hope its soon and mabe you wont be so willing to trade your liberty and dignity for a small amount of protection and will also realize that the ones you expect to protect you mabe the ones you need protected from.

      • retired50

        I see this happen all the time in Breckenridge, Tx. The only communication skills the cops have in this town is intimidation and threats, and yet they will cruise by the EZ mart and do nothing as drugs are openly sold. Hmmm, makes you wonder.

      • Carol

        I had a somewhat different experience. I was parked in the handicapped zone at Costco in Vallejo, CA. This was just before the city declared bankruptcy. I came out to find a ticket for illegal parking on my windshield, over my handicap tag. It was pouring down, and it was the next day before the ticket was dry enough for me to read. I called them and complied with what I was told. 2 months later I get a notice that I owe a big fine. I sent the required info again. Then I get a notice that I owe a $539 fine because I did not comply within the 15 days required. I sent the info 2 days after receiving the ticket. I assume because I forgot to send it return receipt, it went into file 13. I had to get another vehicle because I refused to pay for a ticket that was illegally given and could not tag it. Finally, 4 years later a DMV worker helped me solve the problem. She had me get a handicap license plate and I am now able to drive my truck again. I still get a dun letter once a month saying I owe the city of Vallejo $539.

      • MikeN

        On reason TV .com there is a video of a reporter being arrested for recording a taxi commission meeting in Wa. D.C. He commited no other crime.

    • Patty

      I think we are missing the bigger problem. The concerned citizen that turned in “the dogs in car cruelty”. They started this whole ball rolling. Perhaps a PETA person? Turning in oanother fellow citizen? Don’t they know that PETA stands for People Eating Tasty Animals??? Oh, I have had my share of bad neighbors that have put me on the city’s police watch list. I watered my lawn while it was in the shade on the right day wrong time before. That gave me a certified threatning letter with possible fine. Funny, when I put notes in my neighbors mailbox with a list of realtors on them, a house suddenly went up for sale! Haven’t had a problem since. :)

      • Carol

        I should have mentioned that the day I got the ticket I also had a cat in her carrier on the front seat. I didn’t worry about an overheated car because it was cold and rainy that day. I was surprised that I didn’t get in trouble about leaving her in the vehicle if the cop was close enough to put a ticket on my windshield. I figured he had probably stayed in his little motor cart and just reached out to place the ticket.

    • Kate8

      sc – I witnessed a very similar event last year.

      I was at the local hardware store (small town) where you can park right up to the front of the store. I was in the garden section, so there was only a chainlink fence and a sidewalk separating you from your car.

      An older woman pulled up (in the shade) and left her dog in the car while she dashed in for an item, having her car in full visibility the whole time. Temperatures were mild that day, as well.

      Whe was in maybe 5 minutes when she was paged to the front for leaving her dog in the car. A libaral Nazi woman, a shopper, stood by her car, calling 911 on her cell to summon the authorities.

      The woman tried to explain that she was only there for a minute to make a quick purchase, but to no avail. I spoke up in her defense, as the dog was clearly fine, but only incurred wrath on myself. I couldn’t help but try to reason with the woman on the phone, but she insisited that leaving the dog is illegal and, obviously, felt that she was performing her civic duty by calling the cops. And the store clerks rallied behind the Nazi.

      I shudder to think what that poor woman, who seemed a gentle soul, had to endure next. A mundane jaunt to the hardware store became an expensive, and unnecessary, nightmare.

      It seems that there are no considerations for circumstances, conditions nor intent. I went home heartsick at what I witnessed at the hands of my countrymen and neighbors.

      • Carlucci

        Even though my dog absolutely LOVES riding in the car, I don’t take him anywhere with me if I have to stop and get out to run an errand. This is primarily because dogs and cats were being stolen from cars (even locked cars) by lab workers. (I’m not far from the Texas Medical Center and universities with research labs).

        This article has convinced me even more not to leave my canine buddy in the car.

      • Patty

        I haul my dogs to the farm almost every weekend. I gas up before I leave. Many times when I don’t pay at the pump and go inside (Get a treat for me and the dogs for the ride) I leave my dogs in the car. What else am I suppose to do with them? If some [removed] did that, I would be so in thier face so bad that they would need a cop to get me off of them. I would probably end up in jail, but let me tell you, that would only be the beginning of the crap I would dump on the city and that busy body.

      • Chris

        With 19,000+ separate law enforcement agencies in this country, they have to find something to do to show their Napoleanic complex to the common citizens. They are supposed to “serve and protect”, but they don’t seem to know how to do any critical thinking….just follow procedure.

      • Christin

        Patty,

        You talk big, but I am here to tell you that what the author, Stefano Mugnaini, and Kate 8 said she witnessed is true. The Police who break the law themselves and the Courts of Injustice will tangle you up in the jail with a million questions (including your income) monetary fines, and a court date that will continue for half a year to relieve you of your finances, hang your butt, and put you in your low-life place.

        I have been through a similar situation, not concerning a dog or animal, but as soon as the corrupt cop arrests you on false charges you loose ALL your Rights and Freedoms… even when the dirty cop tampers and erases parts of the tape and the sound which is state’s evidence.

        I tell you the Police State is here and your Freedoms are all but gone… pay up please… the city needs your donation to their pensions and their bloated budgets.

        Traffic violations which have been traditionally handled in Traffic Court have now been upgraded into criminal charges. Do you guys know that parking in one of the hundred handicapped parking spaces will land you in Criminal Court as will many other traditional traffic charges!

        The ‘Law Enforcement’ Police Officers… keepers of the unjust laws and The Courts of Injustice work for the government and don’t You all forget that.

      • Patty

        I don’t just talk big. I was married to a cop for 22 years. I know exactly how far I can push that envelope. And I have gone toe-to-toe with the locals in my front yard (and back) more than once. Rule #1 NEVER put your hands on them. #2 ALWAYS keep your hands in plain sight and empty. #3 Always have witness’. I have never been arrested, cuffed (well, never mind…), taken away, etc. If I am wrong, I admit it (loud music-sorry old rocker), and immediately comply and apologize. Loud drag pipes (motorcycle-bad neighbor), didn’t apologize and when they threatned to put a decibel meter at the end of the cul-de-sac I very loudly said, “You bring it on”. I guess I have not done anything in thier eyes that warrants escalation. But, I have told them off plenty of times and it ends there. Maybe it is the approach…..Maybe they know I will make them more trouble than it is worth and they don’t want to lose thier job and pension.

      • Christin

        Patty,
        Well, from your post I see you are a loud wife of a cop who “pushes the envelope”… that speaks volumes.

        I am a quiet private citizen and Mama who was driving to pickup my two elementary school children at 3:00 PM with grapes for a snack in the front seat for them. I had a broken turn signal, but didn’t know it …and the cops says after I pulled over and I quote, “You might have a gun and I want to go home and see my family.” What warranted that comment… I have grapes and am picking my kids up across the street at our Private CHRISTIAN SCHOOL. Well, HE had the ‘gun’ and ‘I’ didn’t get to pick up my sons or see my family that night. And the dirty cop erased more than half of the tape and much of the sound on it also… and he almost killed me in a car wreck with another vehicle while he was driving. My children almost ended up motherless.

        The police are out of control and I trust them Not.

        You perspective is biased as you are married to an officer.

      • Patty

        Christin(sp) WAS. Was married to a cop. You are right. I had a “get out of jail free card” so long as we were married. I also live in a very liberal state (MN) that keeps officers at bay. I guess I am immune to thier tactics after being with one for so long. They don’t scare me. I don’t disrespect them, but they don’t push back much. I believe what most are saying in the posts. I just have not experienced that here. I have known and am very good friends with a lot of retired cops. When you pass around those emails that ask 20 questions, one of the questions is what do you fear the most. Several of the ones who are retired say “our gov’t.” So I do understand very well. I also do accounting for small businesses. I have to deal with the IRS and State tax people regularily.

      • Patty

        Christin-sorry, I hit the wrong key and didn’t finish. It would be interesting to sit in on rookie community college and listen to what they are teaching them now. I know that my ex talked once in a while about being a 1st responder in case of… We had an exit plan out of the cities and what to do, how to meet up. It was some really scarey stuff of what out gov’t. plans to do to “contain” us.

      • Christin

        Patty,
        That sounds like a good undercover idea… for someone to sign up to go to college to learn their profession and take videos and expose it all on Stossel.

      • Patty

        Christin – I am actually pretty quiet and mind my own business, but I will not stand down or take abuse off of anyone. I am too busy with my own responsibilities to be out trying to stir up trouble for others. And I expect the same in return.

      • 45caliber

        Kate8:

        One of my neighbors had staked out a horse across the highway on the grass there a couple of years ago. People do it all the time since it helps keep the tall grass down on the roadsides and gives the animals some extra food. A stream ran down the ditch about a foot wide and an inch or so deep.

        I stepped outside to go to town and found my drive blocked. Two women had their car in the way. I walked over to find out what was going on. They immediately wanted to know if the horse was mine. I told them it was not and asked what was the problem.

        It seemed that the horse was in a place where he could stand in the water. (He could also stand elsewhere if he wished.) They were very upset about it. One had already called a county officer about it. This was, it turned out, their hobby. They drove around the county each weekend trying to find people to report for animal cruelty.

        After they left, I asked my neighbor if it was his. Needless to say, he moved it immediately. There was no trouble – it was just some busy-bodies who were getting their kicks by causing others problems.

        In another case, a woman in San Antonio travels around the state trying to get the government to seize property to protect “endangered species” she can identify on their land. Her family had invested in several hundred acres to develope – and an endangered bird was found there. She tried to insist in court that the judge should give her family an exemption because she had arranged for over 77,000 acres to be seized. Therefore she deserved to have the land released for construction. The judge refused – primarily because she was willing to tie up other people’s land but not her own.

      • Patty

        I have had my dealings with the DNR (do no right), Ducks Unlimited, Pheasents Forever people. They are all on the same page. Trying to confiscate private land for public hunting use. I have great duck hunting habitat and corn fields for pheasents surrounding me. The DNR wanted to raise the level of the lake 6 feet. If we had let them do that, there would be enough surface acreage of water for them to deem it public, put in a public access, and I would lose my privacy and get my place shot up every year. Found out the Dr. across my little pond started it. I went and talked to him about it, he thought he was on a pedestal being a Dr. Had some expensive hunting dogs. After a brief discussion with him, he told me he was behind it. I told him that if he wanted lakeshore property, he should have bought lakeshore property and that I would never agree to have the DNR near my property. He has since gotten divorced from his 2nd wife and moved. Bye-Bye.

      • http://deleted Claire

        I have 22 acres in the country and I do not allow hunting. A neighbor nearby keeps an eye on it for me. I do not allow hunting because of the weekend warriors with their bows and arrows–it was appalling to see deer running around with arrows protruding out of their bodies. When my sister lived on the adjoining property-she had 23 deer slugs in her house. Plus the fact some hunters killed a couple of cows that belonged to another neighbor. The hunters that use bows should go to school and learn how to aim. Disgusting.

      • Patty

        Claire – That is really sad. I don’t mind people who hunt for food. Sport, not into it. Having native american roots, I hate to see waste of anything. Arrows hanging out of deer, that just seems cruel to me. If you are going to kill something, than kill it, and then use it, donate, something. Don’t waste it. I use to let only locals hunt on my property, but they abused that, so only my neighbor gets to hunt it, and he protects it very well.

      • Al Sieber

        45cal, that sounds like arm chair environmentalists,near where I live we have wild burros and horses and people are always trying to save them, and exploit them for money which they con out of people and they end up leaving the area with a bunch of money. out where I live they are a pain in the ass they come around begging for food and water and I take care of them, but there are no people so I don’t have to put up with what you do.

    • Jim Cumber

      I have difficulty thinking of a better example of how our so-called “justice system” is BROKEN!

      There is a GREAT help for the average person, a company called “Pre-Paid Legal”. For LESS THAN $40 per month, one has access to a MAJOR law firm in your State, and SERIOUS help for such problems as described in this discussion! Pre-Paid Legal (which actually “started by accident” after the company’s founder, Harlan Stonecipher, was involved in an auto accident and then was victimized in a “frivolous” lawsuit from the other driver, who was cited as being “at fault” by the arresting officer on the scene! He put together a company consisting of a “closed network of major Law Firms in every US State and most Provinces in Canada, which provides a whole list of standard Legal Services, for the average family, at a VERY reasonable, monthly rate! Pre-Paid Legal Associates are available in every State: look Pre-Paid Legal up! I am a happy PPL customer AND an Associate in Utah, where the police are a LOT better than described in this case.

      • Carlucci

        Jim Cumber, funny you should mention Pre-Paid Legal. My husband and I were associates and members of PPL for a few years. I still have that round gold “I have Pre-Paid Legal” sticker on my windshield. Last year I was stopped by a constable in my own neighborhood for going around a driver who looked like she didn’t know where she going. Instead of stopping her, he stopped me for going around her! I could not believe it. I quickly grabbed my cell phone while he was getting out of his car and when he approached me I said “I’m talking to my attorney”. I told the “attorney” I would call back. Anyway, the whole time the “officer” (i.e., revenue agent) was standing there talking to me, he was eye balling that PPL sticker. I guess he might have figured it was a lost cause to ticket me, and let me off with a warning.

    • http://certus-certusblogspot.com RAYMOND HARBIN

      I HAVE LIVED IN GEORGIA ALL OF MY 73 YEAS EXCEPT F0 15 YEAR I LIVED IN BOTH WESTERN N.C. AND GA. I HAVE DRIVEN IN EVERY STATE IN THE UNION EXCEPT HAWAII AND ALASKA. I HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED THE PROBLEMS YOU RELATE IN ANY STATE– BUT I NEVER LEFT MY DOG IN AN AUTOMOBILE IN A S.E. GA, SUMMER ENVIRONMENT. IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH YOU AND FAMILY WERE BADLY TREATED AND SHOULD SEND THAT INFORMATION TO THE ATLANTA JOURNAL AND CONSTITUTION, WHICH FIRM, FOR TWENTY OR MORE YEARS HAVE PUBLICIZED OUTRAGES AND HAS BEEN ABLE TO GET LOCAL AUTHORITIES TO RESCIND OVER REACHING TRAFFIC POLICEMEN. I HAVE FOUND THAT THE WORST OFFENDERS IN SPEED TRAP EVENTS WERE IN NEW JERSEY, SOUTH CAROLINA, WEST TEXAS, RURAL NEW ENGLAND AN BY FAR THE ABSOLUTE WORST IS IN COOK, COUNTY, (CHICAGO) ILLINOIS. SMALL TOWN SE GA, HAS A VERY BAD NAME ON SPEED HEISTS– AND THEY DESERVE IT…. AREAS OF NORTHERN GA., ESPECIALLY METRO ATLANTA DO NOT REALLY HAVE SPEED LIMITS– THEY POST THEM, BUT SELDOM ENFORCE THE, ESPECIALLY ON THE INNER CIRCUMFERENTIAL HIGHWAY INTERSTATE HWY 285– 68 MILES OF VIRTUALLY UNPOLICED RACETRACK WITH ONLY 13 MILES TRAVERSING DEKALB COUNTY, WHERE SOME ARE OCCASIONALLY TICKETED. THE COLLISION RATE THERE IS NOT AT ALL HIGH CONSIDERING THE MASSIVE TRAFFIC VOLUME.

      I HAVE LIVED IN METRO ATLANTA 53 YEARS, AND NEVER RECEIVED A SPEEDING TICKET WITHIN ATLANTA’S CITY LIMITS. THE CITY HAS THE LONGEST WORK COMMUTE IN THE WORLD– JUST UNDER 40 MILES–AND ONCE A DAY ALL THAT ARE IN, GO OUT, PM — AND AM, ALL THAT ARE OUT, GO IN.

      • Tom Raines

        I hear your kind skeptisysm but you have a local georgia tag and I once lived in alabama ,georgia was natorious for picking out of state tags to harrass,pull you over for a minor and then hit you big for a major,georgia has had several police officers arrested for taking fines on the spot and pocketing it,they even arrested some police officers who had a judge that they would right away take these people to ,charge them and then release them ,and all would split the money.
        So for multiple reasons travelers beware!!!!

    • MikeN

      S C,
      While stationed at ft. Stewart which supports behindsville, I got a speeding ticket for excellerating too fast from a stop sign. Never went faster than the speedlimit. Spent the whole weekend at the police station waiting for someone from the base to post bail. that was in 1979. The town and its police have always been and always will be bottom feeders.

    • Andrea B

      Apparently, you need to avoid Missouri as well. I read in my local paper last week that a man driving his car gave another driver ‘the finger’ for blocking the intersection, and was promptly pulled over and ticketed by the police, for having his ‘hands/arms out of the vehicle while not using them to signal a lane or direction change.’

      He had to go to court once because the ‘offense’ is an unusual one, and there is no standard fine for this. When he got to court, the judge said she didn’t want to hear the case without input from the police officer. So now the man has to return to court a second time, so the judge can listen to the police officer talk about how ‘offended’ he was, seeing that middle finger made him cry, blah blah blah.

      Two days of missed work going to court, not to mention being pulled over and being late to where ever he was headed so the Nazi could give him the ticket; plus the guy hired a lawyer, who plans [I read] to show that the middle finger has been considered protected speech in the past.

      What a waste of time, money, and effort…and another loss of freedom.

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