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Why Everything Is Dirtier

June 2, 2011 by  

Why Everything Is Dirtier

I am old enough to have a vague memory of clothes so white they were called bright. This happened despite the absence of additives — the ridiculous varieties of sprays, bottles and packets that fill our cabinets today and that we throw into the wash to try to boost the cleaning power of our pathetic machines and increasingly useless laundry soap.

Then, the other night, I experienced an amazing blast from the past. I added 1/4 cup of trisodium phosphate (TSP) and otherwise “treated” nothing. The results were nothing short of mind-boggling. Everything was clean — clean in a way I recall from childhood.

Next, came my confrontation with the local cleaner, which I’ve used for years. I explained what happened and how puzzling it is that by using TSP, I was able to clean my clothes more thoroughly and perfectly than his commercial service.

He was not shocked. He agreed completely, though sheepishly.

I pointed out that TSP, which is a natural element, is amazing not because it cleans — it needs soap to do its thing — but rather because it rinses, whooshing away all dirt, oil and stains, as well as all leftover detergent. Bleach whitens, but it ruins fabrics — and that’s not good. What is needed is a good rinsing agent that leaves clothes not only perfectly clean but also smelling fantastic. TSP does it, and that’s why it has long been an essential ingredient in laundry soap.

Once again, he agreed.

Does he use it? No. Why not?

It is not “commercially viable,” he said.

How can this be? It is not expensive. It is freely available at the hardware store in the paint section. If something works, the laundry service pleases its customers more. That means more business and higher profits. Isn’t the goal to clean clothes well and do a good job for customers?

He said that was true but repeated that TSP is not “commercially viable.” He politely deferred all further questions to the Dry Cleaning and Laundry Institute, whose website provides no information at all to nonmembers. However, the Laundry Institute did answer my email:

“It is true that trisodium phosphate produces cleaner laundry.”

Bingo. Cleaner laundry. Cleaner than what? Anything else. Not “commercially viable” means governments will no longer permit laundries to clean your shirts. You can add TSP at home — government hasn’t restricted that yet — but commercial houses cannot. However, the Laundry Institute representative did say, “There are other ways to achieve a clean shirt.” What are they? He didn’t say. He said: “You will have to do some legwork to find a cleaner that meets your needs.”

My needs? My needs are for clean clothes, the same as the laundry needs of the whole of humanity since the beginning of time. The whole purpose of laundries is to meet that need.

Here’s the problem, however. The goal of the regulators who regulate the laundry is not to improve your life. It is to wreck your life a bit at a time by pressing increasing numbers of restrictions and mandates upon private producers.

One of these mandates has removed TSP from detergent — and with catastrophic results. No one wants to talk about this. There is a major hush-hush culture here because business, understandably, doesn’t want to face a consumer backlash, and government doesn’t want to acquire the reputation for being the civilization wrecker it truly is.

These kinds of regulations are capable of driving an entire industry into the ground, as people with the intense desire for clean clothes — the very people who are willing to pay for laundry services — increasingly resort to home cleaning and ironing. An entire step in the structure of production is eliminated, as laundry autarky replaces the division of labor, which is the driving force of cooperative human effort.

It’s no wonder the industry wants no talk of this problem. Its very raison d’être is under attack. If laundries can’t clean clothes, they have to shut down.

Does government care? If you read between the lines in the almost-candid moments of government statements, you can see what is going on here. In 2009, Clive Davies, a product engineer with the Environmental Protection Agency, granted an interview with The New York Times that focused on home products. You might wonder what a product engineer is doing working for the government rather than the private sector. This interview shows why. Every one of the questions asked of him concerned the effect of home products on the environment. Not one probed the essential question of whether the products actually work.

Davies’ job is to decide whether to affix a supposedly valued designation to products: Designed for the Environment. It’s pretty clear that anything that actually cleans, washes or scrubs probably can’t earn the designation. An empty box that claims to be detergent stands a better chance of gaining the government seal of approval than a detergent that actually works.

Then we get to the end of the interview, in which Davies is actually candid about the goal: the elimination of detergents (meaning the elimination of clean). He concedes this would be the best possible result. And what does he recommend instead? Vinegar and “elbow grease” — the old-fashioned phrase for “scrub harder.”

Thus spake the government. That’s the future as these bureaucrats see it. It’s a future of elbow grease, meaning manual labor unassisted by any products of free enterprise like machines and detergents that work.

It’s a future in which our clothes are dirty, we have no soap that works to wash our bodies, our dishes are full of gritty film, our floors are grungy, our windows are smudgy, everything more or less stinks like vinegar, our toilets don’t work, our trash is hurled in a pile out back, and vast amounts of our time are spent scrubbing things instead of reading, singing, writing or conversing. It is a future just like the long-ago past, complete with washtubs, washboards and outhouses — along with their attendant dirt, disease and deprivation.

My own enlightenment on this issue came within the past year. Like millions of others, I had forgotten what a clean dish looked like. Dish-washing soaps, with no big announcement, eliminated phosphate from their formulas under pressure from the EPA and laws from state governments that banned them. The idea was to help fish in their oxygen competition with algae (even though the household contribution to algae creation is negligible, and the scientific evidence on the issue of algae’s effect on fish runs in all directions).

The main issue here is that Americans (Europeans, too) are having their living standards systematically degraded by regulators who apparently hate modern conveniences like dishwashers and want to drive us evermore into an impoverished state of nature.

And don’t tell me that phosphate-free dish soap works just as well. It’s a laughable claim. If you buy some phosphate and add a tablespoon to the load, you enter a new world once the washer is finished. Things are actually clean like you might remember from childhood. The glasses gleam, the plates squeak and there is no oily film on your dishes. You don’t have to buy new dishes, and you don’t need a new washer. You only need to add back what the regulators took out. You don’t need Consumer Reports. The difference is perfectly obvious, and anyone who claims otherwise is insulting our intelligence.

The sales of new home appliances have soared over the past 12 months, according to industry reports. The data are not broken down by type, but I’m willing to bet quite a few dishwashers have been sold to unsuspecting customers who had no idea the real problem was with the detergents, not the machines. Hardly anyone I have spoken to has understood this problem, but all confirmed the fact their dishes are not getting clean.

Getting even less attention was this ban on TSP in laundry soap that took place in the early 1990s, apparently codified in a 1993 law. The idea, or the excuse, was to stop the increased growth of algae in rivers and lakes (phosphate is a fertilizer, too). But there are other ways to filter phosphate, home use contributes virtually nothing to the alleged problem, and there is no solid evidence that plant growth in rivers and lakes is a harm at all.

In any case, consumers gradually noticed stains were becoming more stubborn than ever. As a result, a huge new range of products started appearing on the market. These products permit you to treat your clothes before you wash them. Today, our cabinets are filled with such products — Spray ’N Wash, bleach pens, stain removers, boosters of all sorts — and we use them by the gallon.

Does anyone stop to wonder why such products are necessary in the first place? And, if they are so good, why aren’t they in the detergent so that the whole load gets clean and not just the treated part? The reason, most fundamentally, is that the formula for detergent was changed as a result of government regulation.

The difference wasn’t obvious at first. But as time has gone on, other changes began to take place, like the mandates for machines that use less water (as Mark Thornton writes about), along with mandates for tepid temperatures of water in our homes. In the end, the result is dramatic. It all amounts to dirty, yellowing clothes.

This is the exact opposite of what we expect in markets, in which products are ever better and cheaper due to innovation, expansion of the division of labor and competition. But with government regulation, the results are deliberately the opposite. We pay ever-higher prices for shoddy results.

Do we see what is happening here? I can detect very little in the way of public knowledge, much less outcry. In the old Cold War days, I recall wondering how it was that the Soviet people could have put up with state-caused impoverishment for decade after decade, and wondering why people didn’t just rise up and overthrow their impoverishers. Now, I’m beginning to see why. If this all happens slowly and quietly, there is no point at which the reality of cause and effect dawns on people.

One final note on my conversation with my cleaner. He gave me the heads-up that the main ingredient used for dry cleaning, perchloroethylene, is not long for this world. California and New York are considering bans, and the rest of the country comes later. After that, it’s all over, and the last one to leave civilization will have to remember to shut off the florescent light.

This is the whole trajectory of life under government control. They are the predators; we are their prey. And this isn’t just about clean dishes and clothes. It applies to every regulation, every tax, every expenditure, every stupid war and every monetary manipulation. Everything government does comes at our expense, and the costs are both seen and unseen.

How much will people put up with until they arrange for the regulators to sleep with the fishes?

–Jeffrey A. Tucker

Jeffrey Tucker

is the editor of Mises.org and author of It's a Jetsons World: Private Miracles and Public Crimes and Bourbon for Breakfast: Living Outside the Statist Quo.

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  • GrannyRob

    Jeffrey Tucker … thank you for this article! My “hatred” of democrats, environmentalists, and moderates of all labels, grew to a no holds barred state when their brand of government forced me to do my laundry with products incapable of getting that laundry CLEAN. It was July 1969, our baby girl had just been born and I had finally run out of my supply of my “old” laundry detergent. Today is one very HAPPY day — I’m off to ACE Hardware for some TSP! Unfortunately, the aforementioned democrats, environmentalists and moderates continue to rack up the “hatred” points from me.

    • Kate8

      GrannyRob – Might be a good idea to stock up. I suspect as people catch on, TSP might become unavailable. As we learn to get around the blocks they throw up for us, they keep adding more blocks.

      None of this is about the environment. It’s about controlling our lives.

    • http://igoogle PEH

      ‘DITTO’ to thanking Jeffrey Tucker for his invaluable article!
      For some time I have wondered where the ‘soap’ went within so-called detergents. I did find that ALL 2x ULTRA recommended by dermatologists is one alternative. When first using, I discovered that I had to launder twice because the first washing simply removed all of the residual “gunk” left by other detergents (highly visible in the water with dingy colors)but the second washing gave me pretty clean clothes. I only had to do this once! The so-called commercial spot removers have never worked for me either, and sometimes I wondered if it had something to do with the fabric itself having been manufactured somewhere else in the world. Also, I only buy bar soap that is homemade even though I have to drive 30 miles to get it.
      Fortunately, there is an incredible number of references (includng books) that list all kinds of ‘old-fashioned’ remedies that really work, and I, too, will purchase TSP and use it in the future.
      The simple and best way to influence change by the manufacturers is to both spread the word and STOP BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS.
      GREAT TIPS THROUGHOUT!

  • Tim

    This is one set of meaningful tips. Written notes in my diary. The political correctness was not matched by technological advances in other fields. Politicians have that tendency to interfere with one aspect and not have a solution for the gap it leaves.

    I think that the time of the double whammy started 6months back when dropping prices from the crash met rising inefficiencies into a mix of rising prices and lower value.

    Try being in Africa. The choice is take it or leave it.

    • Doug

      Tim said, “Try being in Africa. The choice is take it or leave it.” That reminded me of my quest to find a new mattress a couple of years ago. I went to one of the national brand stores and the guy I took to be the owner of the shop was not helpful at all. I had to drag him away from his desk, where he was talking to an old woman (perhaps his mother) in Russian. I wanted to ask him about the materials and construction of his mattresses. Reluctantly, he went with me to the mattress I was considering and gave only curt, one word answers in heavily accented English. When I noticed that the mattress was one-sided and asked to see something with two sides, he said, “All mattress same. One side. Nobody make two side mattress. You buy, you no buy, no matter to me,” and he walked back to his desk to continue his conversation with the old woman. I left the store irritated, but with a greater understanding of what it must be like to live in a communist country. I got a very strong feeling that this guy had once worked as a clerk in a Russian toilet paper store, which sold only one kind of toilet paper — when there was any at all to sell — and this guy would have sat on a stool in a corner, telling people, “You buy, you no buy, no matter to me.”

      • Vic

        There were no toilet paper in Russia. People used to use newspapers for that. No kidding.

      • Doug

        Ha! That reminds me of my years in Korea, where I lived with a group of ladies in a small compound. It was an old, Japanese-style structure, with sliding panel doors, and heated by flues buried in the clay floor. The rooms were built around a central courtyard, which had a hand pump to draw cold water for bathing … in public … in the winter … under the stars.

        When I first arrived, the ladies were all busy with chores. Some were making kimchee, a couple were washing clothes (with homemade lye soap), one was bathing, and couple others were chatting excitedly while crumpling and uncrumpling the glossy pages of a BX mail-order catalog. I had no idea what the latter were doing, but it was almost hypnotizing to watch them repeatedly crumple those pages and smooth them out again. I was just beginning to learn Korean, so I wasn’t sure what they were talking about.

        When I had to use the facility, I knew enough Korean to ask where it was. They pointed to a corner room, which turned out to be the compound’s open-pit, community bathroom. I went in, holding my breath, and slid the door panel shut behind me.

        There was nothing in the bathroom but a large, smelly hole, about four feet wide, lined with a piece of culvert, with two boards lying parallel across the top. You were to walk out on the boards, drop trousers, and squat. Someone hadn’t aimed too well, so it was a delicate walk. The boards were meant for an Asian’s body weight, so my 200-pound, 6’2″ self was an extreme test of materials and faith. I felt the boards bow under me, and I prayed that they’d hold.

        It wasn’t until I’d gotten myself situated that I realized I had no toilet paper. I looked about the enclosure and spotted the nail. Upon it — just out of reach — were impaled the softened pages of the BX catalog. Quite an “ah-ha” moment.

        Eventually, I had made myself quite at home: chatting in Korean, making and eating kimchee, and, of course, crumpling pages for the nail.

  • eddie47d

    Great comments and helpful hints. There is also another side to every story so hold your horses. What is more important good health or clean clothes? Go to the bottom of Ben’s article and you will see the word Perchloroethylene. It’s used in many products but a very dangerous chemical if you are exposed to it.Long term effects include leukemia,colon,skin,larynx and bladder cancer. Also damage to the nervous system,unconsciousness and death. Short term effects can include respiratory failure,memory loss,danger to fetus,nausea,fluid in lungs and headaches. There is a solid reason some of these products are banned and the more we use them the more we reach for the aspirin bottle to cure the ills they create.

  • paul

    not to mention that a 2 pound can of coffee is anything but 2 pounds & the price has also doubled

  • Fred

    Smaller package is inflation in reverse without price changes… All part of the New! Improved! Bigger! Better! Etc!

  • Gramma

    Howie Carr had talked about TSP on his program a few weeks ago, and I believe he said that he bought it at Lowe’s.
    I have added 20-Mule Team Borax to my laundry for years, as well as white vinegar in the rinse cycle, instead of commercial softeners which actually build up on clothes.
    Too much government regulation, and people do not question it.

    • ValDM

      I used to use borax in my laundry, but I found that it acted as a kind of “grit” agent, and wore my clothes out faster. However, borax around the foundation of your house is a great bug deterrent.

  • Doug

    Linda brings up a very important issue that has been bugging me a long time. I recently sent the following message to my family:

    It’s All About You

    Because food prices are climbing, manufacturers are playing games with packaging in order to maintain a perception of value for customers. Fruit juices are more and more often being packaged in containers that are less than the full half gallon to which we had become accustomed. Bottlers of beverages are making big dimples in the bottoms of their plastic bottles, so they still look the same size, even though they hold fewer fluid ounces. A lot of bottlers have gone metric, figuring we Americans will never figure out the difference between milliliters and ounces. Cereal is still being boxed in the “normal” sized boxes, but they are not being filled with as much cereal. If you’ve got kids, you’re buying cereal more often not just because they’re eating more, but because there are fewer bowlfuls per box.

    Manufacturers do this because they don’t want to raise their prices. Instead, they just give customers less product for the same price. They know that we will eventually notice, so they are trying to get ahead of the PR curve by promoting the new sizes with slogans such as, “New Package, Same Great Taste.” While most companies will try to avoid mentioning the amount of product the new packages contain (other than the weight or volume listed obscurely on a bottom corner), some have gotten ahead of that issue with another marketing trick. They say, “Convenient New Size!” You know, for those of us who just can’t finish off a 12-ounce can of iced mocha, we are now conveniently provided 9.5-ounce cans. And those 12-ounce bags of potato chips? Well, you’ll go through the new 10-ounce bags faster, before they lose their crisp. Yeah, sure, it’s all about you.

    I noticed that grocery stores are now pulling a fast one on us, too. Have you noticed that for a certain amount of dollars spent at the grocery store, you walk out with a certain number of bags of groceries? I remember my dad filling two shopping carts for our family of seven and paying less than $100, or less than $10 per bag. Since I’ve been buying groceries for our family of four, I used to get six or eight bags (one shopping cart load) for $100. Recently, I noted that for that $100, I was walking out of the store with four or fewer bags of groceries. Now, as prices climb, I’m spending $200 for the six bags of groceries. I’m sure a lot of people have noticed that they’ve gone from $10 per bag of groceries to $25 or more per bag, and so have the grocery stores.

    Stores are addressing this issue by providing smaller grocery bags. That’s right, folks! You can now walk out of Cub Foods with six or more bags of groceries for your $100. The groceries aren’t cheaper; the bags are smaller. The bags have gone from 17″ x 7″ x 12″ to “13.5″ x 6.75″ x 11.75″. No doubt, when people start to notice this and ask their grocers about it, they will be told, “Oh, it’s a more convenient size, so you don’t overfill the bags and make them too heavy to carry.” Yup, it’s all about you.

    • jim

      In this OBAMA DEPRESSION it is going to get WORSE!! VOTE these Socialist IDIOTS OUT!!! INFLATION is the cause, due to ole barry and his Lib Dem MORONS spending TRILLIONS we don;t have!!

  • Robert

    the solution is to rid ourselves of the problem and that is a government out of control. eliminate the feds, and allow the states to handle their internal matters and reform under the original construct as a united states or simply regroup regionally. the problem is not the people, the people really want change, the problem is the governments want to keep their power and just like king george sent the red coats to deal with those pesky patriots, so today the fight is just as real.

    • jmusic

      Tell us what to do to get started!!

      • American Citizen

        Vote in Constitutionalists.

      • Ret

        Yeah, me too.

      • jim

        The TEA PARTY is our ONLY HOPE!! JOIN TODAY, I joined awhile before the elections and am PROUD to be a part of the REAL CHANGE against the Socialist Change of ole barry! Join your local army of TEA PARTY PATRIOTS for CHANGE today!

      • Isaac Davis

        It has to be taught to the younger generation, too. It can’t simply be a band aid on a wound if you don’t stop the problem that gave you the wound–gov’t morons who think that they somehow have achieved some exalted power over us who loaned the power to govern in the first place. We’ve been pacified into believing that they would look out for our Liberty and Freedom, and they have done nothing of the sort. Presented with the facts, most people are capable of making good choices that result in preserving the environment while giving us a decent quality of life.

        When some bureaucratic candy-pants who got his/her pockets stuffed from the company that makes the less efficient “green” crap succeeds in convincing others to change the “law” (or the color of it), then we all suffer under the stupidity/ignorance and corruption of the bureaucrat. Most elected public servants are attorneys; they are not physicists, scientists, engineers or chemists. They are basically an inbred group that serves to protect their own, and get very rich and influential in the process at OUR expense and Liberty.

        Look up Merthiolate and Mercurochrome; truth: http://www.aliviovital.com/de-la-cruz-tincture-merthiolate-antiseptic.html Lie: http://www.umm.edu/ency/article/002678.htm

    • Kate8

      Robert – Yes, we are being trained into total compliance, in every aspect of our lives.

      Remember how, after 9/11, some people were saying, “We need to bomb them (the middle-east) back to the stone-age!”)

      Little did we know that it is WE are are being “bombed” back to the stone-age, incrementally, and “under the radar”.

  • Susan

    The Al Gore phenomenon. Remember low flow toilets? Thanks for the info on TSP. I have experienced the dishwasher anti-phosphate situation and was about to buy a new dishwasher but was told to get a product to add to my dishwasher. It makes absolutely no sense that they sell these things separately but producers cannot put these into their products.

    • ValDM

      I don’t just remember low-flow toilets, they’re all you can buy. It doesn’t make any kind of sense to have a toilet that uses 1/2 the water, and the you have to flush TWICE.

      • Kate8

        ValDM – When I did some upgrades on my home a few years ago, they wanted to replace the toilet. I said no way! I’ll keep my single-flusher.

        A contractor friend said that he and many others keep the old toilets people have replaced and use them in their own homes, because they are better!

      • California70

        ValDM,
        Here is California they have just now admitted in the last 3 weeks, that the new “low-flus toilets are causing all kinds of problems with the city and County pipe lines. Our sewage eventually flows into the ocean, and the low-flow toilets don’t flush enough water to get the sewage to flow down the pipes. Therefore, it get stuck and backs up in the pipes and the pipes are all clogging up.
        Halleluja!! That means they will have to do something about it. Hopefully….

    • IreneK

      I just got a new dishwasher and it worked beautifully until I went through all of my old DW detergent. As it turns out, beginning in January of this year, DW detergent had to be reformulated to make it “greener.” It’s greener only in the way that it takes most of my green to buy more to run through several cycles just get regular dirt off. I’m getting some TSP from Lowe’s/HD tonight.

      • Carlucci

        IreneK – You can also try a fabulous product called “Lemi-Shine” if you can’t find TSP. Lemi-Shine is available at the supermarket on the aisle where they sell dishwasher detergent.

  • sivad notsle

    Just a minute. Any elderly woman (mostly women anyway) could have told you that bluing was what was magic in your youth that kept whites white and colors bright. Bluing is still available in many places including that big box (you know who) that’s sucked all the business from small stores.

  • Barry Brooks

    We all know what the problem is; but what is the solution. The goverment has boiled the frog, and we are well done. Without a mass uprising that threatens their very existance, nothing will change – except for the worse. And we are kept so busy by the need to work harder and harder simply to get through the day, there is no energy, or will left to try and do what is need to change the course of the goverment’s raging regulatory river that is flooding our lives. Knowledge is a wonderful thing; but if not acted on it simply a book sitting on the shelf collecting dust and fading away.

    • California70

      Okay, here is my answer.

      I say we all get together, find out whom among us has money to put up, and whom amog us has talent to machine parts, etc. We start our own Made in America Washing Machine that actually “does the job”! Sell it on the Internet.

      Anyone think this is a viable answer? Oh, one more thing, we need a smart lawyer to get around the Govt. rules. I supposed that would mean paying off some of the politicians.

  • cathy w

    thank you ,yes ive noticed my clothes arent as clean ,very nice article

  • RAY

    BOY THIS IS GOOD TO KNOW I REMEMBER WHEN LAUNDRY SOAP HAD PHOSPHATES IN IT AND HOW GOOD MY DRESS UNIFORMS LOOKED. TODAY MY WHITE SHIRTS NEVER LOOK TOTALLY WHITE EVEN WITH BLEACH THEY ARE ALWAYS DINGY. THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP. OF TO HOME DEPOT THIS AM AND BUY A CASE OF TSP.

    • BOB

      get a case of incandescent light bulbs while you are there if you can

      • independant thinker

        Incandescent light bulbs have not been banned. However, The gubment enacted rules that state how much energy a light bulb can use. This new regulation set the limit below what an incandescent bulb uses so the effect is the same as if they had banned them. If you want/need the incandescent bulbs the 100 watt ones are the first to be affected then a year or so after they cannot be sold the 75 watt bulbs then another year and the 60 watt. Not sure if the 40 watt bulbs are affected or not and I believe the 15 and 25 watt bulbs are exempt for now.

      • Isaac Davis

        Sylvania brand if you’re looking to stick it to ol’ jeffie boy at GE.

      • California70

        Loved this post. I’m still LOL!!

  • Karolyn

    The best window washer is ammonia with water and a little dish soap. Ammonia by itself is good. Also, vinegar is a great cleaner/shiner. There are numerous natural methods for cleaning, which can easily be found by searching. It’s the advertising industry that sells all the “new and improved” products, while all we need to do is go back to the old natural stuff.

    • Carlucci

      Karolyn – thanks for the tips. Most of the surfaces in my home are glass, and unfortunately I also have lots of big windows (nice when it is cold outside, but not so good in the summertime). Have you tried coffee filters when cleaning glass surfaces? Sure beats the heck out of paper towels, and there are no streaks. Crumpled up newspapers also work on wiping down windows. Something about them “polishes” the glass.

      • karolyn

        Carlucci – I used to work at a dance studio with all those big mirrors. Using newspaper was a must and always did the best job.

      • California70

        I was taught by my Mother to use Newspaper also. It is terrific. Leaves no streaks.

    • Sara

      Another fabulous product for window cleaning is Isopropyl Alcohol…I had a friend who had a window cleaning business and he told me that (if you have any rubber around your windows, ammonia will eat through it eventually…I think that’s why newspapers made great window cleaning material because the newsprint contained alcohol.

      • 45caliber

        There was a multi-million dollar study a few years ago that the government did to find the best thing for cleaning eye glasses.

        Paper was ruled out because it will scratch glass.

        However the BEST thing was vodka. The second best was isopropal alchol.

        For some reason, every time I’ve tried to get my boss to stock vodka to use for cleaning my glasses, he shoots it down.

      • ValDM

        Speaking of vodka………..vodka makes an excellent wasp killer, they just don’t seem to like it when you spray them with it & they just drop & never get up again.

      • Cawmun Cents

        its good for Russians too….I was having this garage sale and there was like fifty Russians there, and they never give you what the stuff is worth,so I put this bottle of vodka out there and five minutes later they all left and I went up to the corner,and looked around the neighbors fence…they were all drinking the vodka and my garage sale was finally at peace.Then the Mexicans showed up and I had to run in the house for my bottle of tequila….When the trailer trash shows up I got a sixer of budweiser….wait a minute…now I aint making any money cuz I have to restock my fridge….haw!

      • independant thinker

        “Paper was ruled out because it will scratch glass.”

        It depends on the kind of lens you have. My lenses are hardened glass and almost impossible to scratch my wife has had plastic lenses for a time that would scratch if you gave them a dirty look.

      • California70

        It is especially good for old mirrors with lots of build-up.

  • Conservative at Birth

    Who is John Galt? Where is he when we need him? If there ever was a time, it is now, for another Boston Tea Party. We must revolt and get rid of the totalitarian socialists that have been encroaching on our freedoms for over 100 years.

    • gardenlady

      amen to this one!!!

  • http://www.archivale.com Marc de Piolenc

    TSP is used by painters to remove the greasy film from surfaces to be painted. But be careful: last time I did a job I bought a product called “TSP” that contained no TSP! Read the ingredients list.

    • libertytrain

      That’s what I’ve always used it for.

  • Karolyn

    Borax works well too. And it’s good for fleas.

    • mikwilly

      and to get rid of crippin charlie

  • LAW2

    Proof once again that environmentalism is not about the environment, but about control. We jokingly make reference to these kind of actions with the following comment: “If it works they take it off the market” and it isn’t just cleaning products, it is rampent in the medical drug field.

    • Polski

      When I was a kid, the saying was “if it tastes good it’s bad for you”.

    • eddie47d

      Law2; TSP is used in thousands of products including cereal. It’s a food additive too and used as a thickening agent and acid regulator. It doesn’t get a clean bill of health on all fronts though. Users must be careful of exposure and make sure it is kept out of the reach of children,(like most chemicals and medicines).TSP can cause burning and redness of eyes,blisters,sore throat and if swallowed severe abdominal pain. If Ben wants to lead “the public outcry” on this issue he should include the side effects so people with allergies and rash sensitivity can be more informed. I personally can’t use the product Snuggles and will develop a rash over 80% of my body. Cleaning companies were exposed to high amounts of these chemicals and the dangers were more prevalent and dangerous.

      • libertytrain

        who is Ben?

      • eddie47d

        Thank you.I saw Ben’s picture on the side as I was reading and it stuck in my mind. It should have said Jeffery.

      • Palin12

        Eddie
        Dr. Kevorkian’s office called and wishes to inform you that due to circumstances beyound his control, he will not be able to help you today. We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience.

      • independant thinker

        “TSP is used in thousands of products including cereal.”

        I currently have 4 different cereals in the cabinate and none pof them list TSP as an ingredient. Only one of them even showed a phosporus content and it is natural content from the grain.

    • http://www.patrickscashcafe.com patrick

      “If it works, they take it off the market” Just the opposite in D.C., they don’t work but the feds just increase in size and do less for the people. Why do the American people trust them when they say “This is good for you”? When my mother said that, I ran away!

  • Brad

    Did a search and found evidense TSP works both in the laundry and dishwasher. We need to tell big brother, quit medling with our products that work and which are good for us. I’m going to buy some TSP from my local Lowes hardware store, it’s in stock, mfg by DAP.

    • jmusic

      Amen!!!

  • Tore

    Atlas Shrugged!!!!

  • Linda

    THIS is one of the best articles I have read in a LONG time!
    It just goes right along with my complaints of so many things these days…
    -smaller tuna fish cans with more oil or water….but the same price
    -shorter toilet paper rolls…they are now European sized…and Charmin’ dares to have a logo that says….Using Less Never Felt So Good!!!
    -smaller spaghetti sauce jars….but the same price!
    -oh, and this years’ can of 100% pure pumpkin….smaller can
    -yes, and ICE CREAM…we all used to go and get a HALF-Gallon of ice cream, but no longer can we do THAT…the containers got smaller AND the container is FLIMSIER so that eventually the top doesn’t even fit on it!
    -oh, and I think that the size of cake mixes boxes have gotten smaller!

    AND
    vacuums barely suck
    toothpaste does NOT take away plaque
    telephone work only one year
    and computers…they go out of date after a few years!

    I am tired of this all and I thank you for bringing this subject to the light of day! Whenever I talk about smaller packaging with my friends they look at me as if I were crazy!! I said you go check and see….I have a recipe that calls for a 7oz can of tuna fish…there is NO such thing any longer…it’s shrunk down to 5oz!!!

    Go figure!
    thanks again,
    Linda

    • Carlucci

      Linda – Toothpaste is terrible for your teeth and gums. It is abrasive and wears away enamel, and causes tooth and gum sensitivity. It also contains vegetable glycerin, which sticks to your teeth, causing that annoying “fuzzy” feeling.

      I have been using a fantastic product called Tooth Soap that I found through the Natural News enewsletter. I use Tooth Soap with a Sonicare toothbrush and my teeth have never looked or felt so clean. My tooth and gum sensitivity also went away, and both feel much stronger now. I also like an excellent mouthwash called “Spry”, which I get at the Vitamin Shoppe.

      http://www.toothsoap.com.

      • ValDM

        Spry is good because it contains xylitol which helps your teeth re-mineralize. Toothpastes from year ago used to contain xylitol, but with the advent of artificial sweeteners, no more. If you want a truly excellent mouthwash, try Desert Essence Tea Tree Oil mouthwash; it’s alcohol/sugar free and I’ve never had better checkups in my life.
        I can be found at most health food stores.

      • ValDM

        Sorry……….IT can be found at health food stores, but sometimes I can be too. LOL

      • Carlucci

        Desert Essence is a great brand. Every once in a blue moon, I’ll use their fennel toothpaste, because it tastes absolutely delicious. It must make a user’s breath smell wonderful, because people have asked me if I just chewed some fennel gum.

        But, I’m still sticking to Tooth Soap!

      • 45caliber

        Pure baking soda is what my grandmother used to use and it works fine.

      • Gayle

        We used baking soda with a little salt.

      • Matt Newell

        I sometimes use baking soda mixed with hydrogen peroxide solution until it is a paste and use it. Works great, but I find the mixture foams in the container and makes a mess if I don’t watch out.

      • Sara

        I just thought you might be interested in the incredible effects of plain ole’ peroxide for the plaque in the mouth…I’ve been mixing peroxide with alcohol-free (fluoride-free, too) mouthwash for over 3 years now and I have found that it not only kills the plaque stuff, but doesn’t allow the plaque to build up on your teeth at all! Cuts down on the regular visits to the dentist for cleaning!

      • Kate8

        My mom used only a mixture of salt/soda/peroxide to brush her teeth. She swore by it.

        When she passed at 84, her teeth were white and her gums were healthy. She didn’t have dental work, either.

      • 45caliber

        Sara – my dentist recommended using peroxide direct from the bottle. It works great, especially for wounds and mouth sores. And it prevents and/or heals gum disease. A couple of mouthfuls (small ones since it foams) and then a rinse with water. Does taste a little funny but not bad.

      • jim

        I second that, Tooth Soap is Great!

    • gardenlady

      several of my friends was out for our monthly luncheon and this subject of items becoming “smaller” was discussed – it was amazing, we all mentioned tuna as one of the first items! They must think we are all a bunch of dummies and do not realize they are not fooling us wise shoppers.
      I also have noticed my clothes are not as white as they should be and even the bleach hasn’t helped – I will definately be making a trip to town to purchase all of the above mentioned to help with my effort to have nice white clothes/and cleaner dishes! The government is slowly taking over our lives in more than one way! I thought this article was super great – I forwarded it on to many of my friends..

      • eddie47d

        You are absolutely correct that there is less product in smaller packaging and at the same price. We are being fooled by these companies but it is a marketing gimmick to make more money not because the government told them to do so. When it comes to chemicals in any product these companies should be testing more before the item goes to market. There wouldn’t be a need for government regulations if businesses were more cautious about what they put out there. As usual the government does overreact; so the bottom line is to have smarter consumers who expect more honesty from companies and their products. Which would hopefully keep government out.

      • independant thinker

        ” We are being fooled by these companies but it is a marketing gimmick to make more money”

        Not quite eddie. While it is trickery on the part of the companies it is done because of rising costs. The companies reduce the size of the container and keep the same price to cover rising costs while not informing the consumer so that the unaware consumer thinks he/she is getting the same thing they always have. The company is not making more money it is making the same amount.

      • independant thinker

        “I also have noticed my clothes are not as white as they should be and even the bleach hasn’t helped.”

        You can use Mrs Stewerts whitning if you can find it in your area. It makes whites whiter (really they just look whiter and brighter I think). I remember my mother and grandmother using it on their whites and this was long before the gubment started banning things.

      • 45caliber

        How about smaller candy bars? I noticed that quickly when I was a lot younger.

    • Marlene

      I wrote to Sunkist to complain about the smaler size being too small for my existing recipes. They wrote back that the content actually wasn’t smaller, just the can size and there was no more added liquid than before. They really do think we’re stupid. At least tuna companies haven’t raised their prices like ice cream companies. I stopped buying ice cream for a year but now that my granddaughters stop by after their classes and before sports practice, I buy ice cream to make them milkshakes (fortified with protein products). They like them and it gives me company. It’s lonely, getting old. Oh yes, Starkist said they’d send me coupons to buy more tuna but never did and it’s 6 months since I wrote to them. Yep, they think we’re stupid!

      • Carlucci

        Don’t be lonely Marlene! Come to this blog and we’ll keep you company!

  • James Stone

    If you think TSP makes a difference, add some TSPP and you will really see cleaning. TSPP, tetrasodium pyrophosphate is much better than trisodium phosphate at cleaning grease, mildew, all the hard to clean stuff.

    • Carlucci

      James – Can you use that in the wash, and dishwasher?

      • Kate8

        Carlucci – I will be looking for some of that.

        BTW, did you see, next to the TSP, TSP-PF (phosphate-free)?

        WTH? What’s the point?

  • Tore

    Just asked my wife and she said that the whites are not as clean as they used to be, even with bleach.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The bleach is also weak. It won’t whiten clothes and in fact make them dingier.

    • ValDM

      I stopped buying “cleaning” products about 10 yrs ago when I started reading labels. Bathroom cleaning products that claim they remove calcium/lime deposits? They all contain citric acid; so now I buy GSE (grapefruit seed extract). GSE is pure citric acid which you mix to your own specs, AND it’s a germicidal. Overall dingy clothes? 1/4 cup white distilled vinegar to every load removes mineral deposits in both your clothes & machine. Ink spots from a leaky pen? Isopropyl Alcohol rubbed into the spot, also works on fruit juice stains (but only from real fruit). And I can’t even begin to extoll the virtues of baking soda. Greasy/oily stains? Ammonia, but you have to work at this a little longer. There are many home remedies for cleaners, and I know this post may be a little off-topic, but it can’t hurt to share some of my home-grown wisdom.

      • libertytrain

        I think your ideas are great – it’s really almost pathetically funny that so many of us have taken to the Internet to find the old-fashioned ways of doing things since the products hoisted on us are lousy.

      • Kate8

        Also, a mixture of white vinegar and baking soda will keep drains clean.

        I do use vinegar to clean (and baking soda), but I do hate that my house smells like a salad.

      • Isaac Davis

        Caution on the use of this mix of vinegar and baking soda as it will eat iron plumbing and may discolor stainless steel/aluminum.

      • Kate8

        Is it worse than Draino?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I take out the drain plate, dump the baking soda down the drain, then pour in aboug 16 ounces of red apple cider vinegar, and it cleans out the pipes better than draino, liquid plumber or any of them, and its non toxic when it dumps out the other end also. And Ive never had it eat the silver off the drain flange or damage pipes.

      • 45caliber

        One thing to keep in mind — mixing some of the natural products can cause problems. For instance, vinegar and citric acid are both acids. Ammonia is a basic. Mix the two and they change as well as get hot. A janitor locally tried to mix Draino (basic) and an acid (HCL) used for cleaning out drains. It boiled and splashed some of it into her eyes. If you don’t know the difference between basics and acids, do a little research on line.

      • Matt Newell

        That is base not basic.

      • http://none Robert

        when you add a base to something it becomes more “basic” which is correct . but unless someone has a chemistry background folks will not understand , violent reactions like draino [ sodium hydroxide ] and drain acid [ concentrated sulfuric acid ] come from there potency . very dangerous to skin exp eyes , soda ash is used to make the soap more [very] basic and big laundry folks used it alone [ at one time ] and it was the primary ingredient in Sears detergent , we got it by the rail car as powder

    • independant thinker

      Do you remember the old bluing you added to whites to make them look brighter? I believe the name is Mrs Stewert’s and you can still get it.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Marie Wilkinson

    Article really struck a chord with me. Approximately three years ago, I purchased a new washing machine (clothes). I have always washed bed linens and bath towels in hot water and, much to my dismay, the ‘hot’ water selection on the new machine will run hot water for a few minutes then quickly switch to ‘cold’ thereby making for a very ‘tepid’ wash….not the desired ‘hot’ wash selected. Someone up there (Wash. DC) had made a decision re how I do my laundry in my own home. Really irritating. Now I boil huge pots of water on the stove and pour it into the machine w/my bed linens and towels. Not exactly an energy-saving procedure, but I will not be outdone by a group of overpaid morons!

    • Cat

      Good for you!

    • Isaac Davis

      you could just switch the inlet water lines, or add in a valve that both lines combine into, and close the cold when you want only hot. The morons can’t (yet) remote in and manipulate your water lines.

      The self-serving, mental misfits who somehow got elected with no credentials of the sort that they then go off and mandate to those who elected them is just nothing short of insane.

      Don’t you find it amazing that morons who might only sit on their little ivory post for a few years will potentially affect the lives of hundreds of millions for the foreseeable future? Affecting the lives of people that are not their constituents, based on crack-pot science in many cases driven by nothing more than politics and power.

      One thing to consider: Show one gov’t “pogrom” that was sold to the people in the effort to rid the people of a problem, that EVER was solved where the problem was eradicated. Gov’t first creates the problem, then turns right around and campaigns to take our money away from us by convincing us that the gov’t can solve the very problem it created. Tell me this is not the truth–in perpetuity.

      Gov’t cannot give anything to anyone that it first does not take from someone else.

      • Kate8

        Isaac – Not just that, but none of this applies to those who impose it on us.

        They jet off to one of their many mansions, using all the fuel and producing all the carbon they want, keep a comfortable temperature, and fill their swimming pools and spas. They wear clean clothes, eat whatever they want, and do whatever they want. I’ll bet they use incandescent light bulbs, too. They’re safer and healthier.

        Then they fly back to DC to legislate more hardship on us.

      • SiliconDoc

        Yes, and unfortunately that means they fail the decency in use of authority test.

  • kAREN

    WHERE DOES ONE GET TSP. I MAKE MY OWN LAUNDRY SOAP AND WOULD LOVE TO ADD THIS TO MY SOAP.

    • Tazio2013

      Most hardware stores carry it (Tri-Sodium Phosphate) or, if you can handle a 50 pound bag, get it from a chemical distributor.

    • Carlucci

      I found it at ACE Hardware. I add it to the laundry, and my wash is coming out so much cleaner, and it smells wonderful. Whites come out snow white, like they are supposed to.

      I also add about a teaspoon to dishwasher soap (along with Lemishine, which is another fantastic product if you have hard water like I do).
      Dishes come out squeaky clean with no spots on the glassware or cutlery.

      • Kate8

        Carlucci – I haven’t had so much success with adding TSP to my laundry. Maybe it’s going to take awhile, since the whites were so gray?

        I have a dreaded front-loader which uses hardly any water. Maybe that is the problem. Also, I’m not sure how much to add to the laundry for that reason.

      • jim

        VOTE ole barry the CHIEF SOCIALIST IDIOT OUT!!! Start NOW just like he and the ENEMIES of OUR country are doing NOW!!

      • Matt Newell

        The trouble is — Barry is not the only one (only the latest) to do this stuff. Note that the TSP was taken out in 1993 (seems like that would be around Clintons time.

      • Sevnth

        To make a long story short, a few years back I accidently stumbled into buying & selling new “scratch & Dent” appliances – Since I could now get great deals on the new modern machines, I got us some -
        That is when we entered the world we’re now talking about- $1300 machines, with their own “special” soap that came with it, doing almost nothing, literally. Most loads could have been made just as clean with a good strong garden hose & no soap.
        An old guy told me all about how nothing that works is legal anymore – I thought he was a nut until I experienced it myself.
        If the Government wants “it” for you, it’s Evil – Believe it, or learn it for yourself.
        God Bless You All.

      • Susan

        Kinda reminds me of Camazotz in the children’s book, “A Wrinkle in Time.” The infamous Man with Red Eyes, the mouthpiece of IT,(IT actually runs Camazotz), wants us all to submit peacefully to his directions. No questions asked.

      • pete0097

        The algae problem is a matter of degrees. The sewage treatment plant should remove any of the phosphates prior to discharge. The algae build up will occur there. The problem is that many sewage treatment plants don’t do their job. The government figures that it is just easier to dump everything into the river/ocean/lake than to properly treat it. Your septic field will take care of it, although eventully, excessive solids will build up requiring pumpiong out. The biggest problem with algae build up in rivers comes from excess fertilizer use. these farmers think that if a little fertilizer is good, a lot is better. Big misteake. If fertilizer is used, only just enough to grow the crop is best. Any excess washes off and costs more money. In PA the state soil conservation service will help farmers to minimize their fertilizer use to keep the excess from just washing down the river wasting money.

      • Carlucci

        Kate, I’m adding 1/8 of a cup of TSP to small loads. For large loads, 1/4 of a cup or a little more. You might have to use more than that. I use Arm and Hammer clothes detergent with baking soda and add a little OxyClean if I’m washing whites. I think the water has something to do with cleaning if it is really hard. I haven’t had to use Mrs. Stewart’s Bluing on my whites since I started using the TSP, but I found bluing used to help with whites. You can also rinse white or silver hair with it, as my grandmother used to do. Bluing takes out the yellow in anything. Sometimes I even add a little bit of bluing to my swimming pool.

      • Kate8

        Carlucci – It’s hard to determine how much TSP because my front-loader uses hardly any water. I’ve been experimenting.

        My problem is not yellowing whites, but grey whites. I suppose it could depend on the minerals in the water. Yellow suggests iron or sulphur. Grey, I guess, might be manganese. I’m no chemist.

      • independant thinker

        Kate, your grey might be tungsten or titanium also.

      • denniso

        Poor Jeffrey! The world of clean is coming down around his dirty head,and there’s just no way to cope w/ all the dingy grey colors!Maybe try wearing blue shirts instead of white? Maybe get outside and dig a ditch or build a house and actaully fet dirty w/ real dirt,rather than just dingy colors.
        Build up of algae in rivers and lakes is no problem according to Jeffrey? I would politely suggest that he read some science on the issue,because it’s really pretty simple,and anyone can understand it. Too much added plant life in water removes too much oxygen from the water so that other water life,like fish,can’t survive and we wind up w/ essentially a dead river or lake. Something we have to prevent if we want healthy eco systems,not to mention having fish for people to hook.

      • independant thinker

        good bye denniso.

      • dc23

        I love the bluing in the swimming pool and on my clothes. I haven’t used it since I had a pool. Thanks for reminding me.

      • Carlucci

        denniso – you are a dingy grey color. Go away.

      • eddie47d

        Carlucci and I.T. must like dead fish. What else should we take from your comments. Denniso is right about oxygen depletion that is occurring in our rivers,lakes and stream.They all have dead zones where nothing lives.Some is from mining and other waste products and not as much from TSP but the concerns is rising.

      • denniso

        The shallowness and self interest of the rightwing is so apparent it’s not even funny! Putting white shirts and underwear ahead of healthier rivers, lakes and ecosystems is just mindboggling! Can’t they not understand the seriousness of the issue,that we all depend on the environment to even exist? Just as fish and plants do? I guess they think there is an Obama conspiracy to keep out whites dirty so he can be a more effective One World Government dictator? Can these people really not think rationally at all? What motive would the EPA have in trying to protect our streams and rivers,other than actually protecting them? Oh, I forgot,they want to ruin our economy so the communists can eat us for lunch. Or is it the aliens who want to experiment on us for their psych classes in their colleges?

      • AustinAndy

        Putting little fishes or lizards over human beings is the ultimate senseless government driven procedure. Sorry, I value my child’s life requirement over some environmentalists dream of a human free society. Do you think we are better off not growing food in California because of a little fish or not drilling oil because of a tiny lizard? Is there value in food for our tables and heat and air conditioning and transportation for humans?

      • Jan25

        Are you using the TSP in your coloreds wash? This is a new concept for me. Like others I am tired of dingy laundry.

      • Jan25

        Are you using the TSP in your coloreds wash too? I’m so tired of dingy laundry.

      • Brian

        @ denniso: “Too much added plant life in water removes too much oxygen from the water”. Huh? Last time I checked plants ADD oxygen to the water, not remove it. Better study up on photosynthesis.

      • denniso

        Huh??? I would suggest that you read up on the issue of plants in waterways and lakes. Like most issues it isn’t as simple as rightwingers want things to be. When plants over populate a body of water because of phosphates and nitrates released into the water,then they die,as all things do,bacteria feed on the decaying plants…the bacteria population increases and they use up the dissolved oxygen in the water…w/ no, or too little dissolved oxygen in the water,fish and other water animals can’t survive. Like everything else in the eco systems on the earth,it’s all about balance,and man can and does throw things out of balance…simple enough for you Brian,huh??

      • denniso

        AustinAndy…it’s not about putting little fish and lizzards ahead of people,it’s about keeping the environmental systems and the earth that we all depend on for our very lives, healthy and sustainable. When fish and lizzards are being wiped out and extincted forever we have to recognize that as a wakeup call,that tells us we are damaging our environment to the point of harming all life,us included.

        Do we really think we are God? That we can wipe out other species w/ no negative effects on the earth and us? Come on people, think a little and quit being so self centered in the short term.

    • Michael

      Buy it on-line, or at your local Ace Hardware.

    • independant thinker

      Anyone who is interested in making their own laundry soap check with Lehmans. They have a starter kit to help you get started making it then you can purchase the supplies as needed to replentish your detergent. Many if not all the ingredients can be found localy but if you have trouble finding them you can order the replacements from Lehmans.

      They also have old fashioned Pine Tar soap which is good if you have trouble with skin rashes, dry flaking skin, etc. If you are outside a lot in the summer it works wonders on getting rid of any chiggers or seed ticks that make it by your defences.

    • SiliconDoc

      Expect to be on the anti-terrorism list if you try to get 50lbs. of TriSoPh.
      Love the article, it could be expanded in a thousand directions, I’d just like to point out that the result of all this is MASSIVE SPENDING.
      On a personal note, Great Grandma always made soap from ashes and cooking grease – Great Granpa’s cigars were greatly appreciated (instead of the hate filled messages no doubt delivered today – and both nearly made 100yrs old so there.), and I recall happily the soap for many childhood and adult years – and Mom and Grandma always had it handy because it actually got the wash clean…eventually they found a store brand equivalent – looked and smelled the same – so now Mom always gets that if it can be found.
      I suspect soon it will be outlawed, since it isn’t filled with government demanded chems and emollients and creams and whatever…
      So yes, years ago when the soap secret was revealed to me on a visit, I recalled those tanish bars all over as a child, and got the information on their origin.
      Oh well, at least there is one soap bar sold in some stores and made commercially that matches.

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