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States Cutting Costs By Wait-Listing HIV/AIDS Patients Needing Lifesaving Drugs

May 24, 2011 by  

States Cutting Costs By Wait-Listing HIV/AIDS Patients Needing Lifesaving Drugs

Advocacy groups are outraged by some States’ recent efforts to scale back funds for AIDS drug assistance programs (ADAPs).

The Washington Post reported a record 8,300 people are now on waiting lists to receive antiretrovirals and other drugs used to treat HIV and AIDS.

“States that have changed their eligibility programs or don’t have a waiting list, or some States have disenrolled their patients, that’s a kind of silent crisis, I think,” Jeff Graham, executive director of the advocacy group Georgia Equality, told the newspaper.

The Deputy Executive Director of the National Alliance of State and Territorial AIDS Directors (NASTAD), Murray Penner, said the “average annual cost for ADAP drugs is $11,388 per person, but that is significantly less than individuals trying to buy their own drugs would pay.”

The article said such measures may ultimately do more fiscal harm than good: “HIV patients who get the antiretroviral drugs are generally able to manage their disease, allowing them to continue working and keeping long-term medical costs down for the state. New research even suggests that people put on medication immediately after being diagnosed are less likely to spread the disease.”

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  • LUTFI DAJANI

    WHY THE FDA BANNED ISOPRINOSINE(IMMUNOVIR) FROM THE MARKET HERE IN THE U.S.?
    WHAT HAPIINED IN 1999 WHEN SWISS AIR FLIGHT 111 EXPLODED AFTER TAKE OFF FROM JFK ? WAS IT BECAUSE OF THE AIDS VACCINE?

  • Jay

    AIDS SECRETS: What the Government and the Media Don’t Want You to Know
    by Kevin Alfred Strom

    WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY will shock you. It will disturb your sleep. It will make you worry for your loved ones. It will give you nightmares of disaster, plague, and horrible death. It will make you rethink the priorities of your life. It will change the way you look at yourself and the world. There is a killer loose in the land. This killer cuts down all whom he touches. If he touches you, you will die. If he touches your child, your child will die. His victims die a slow, horrible death. They waste away. They drown in their own body fluids. They lose control of their bowels. They lose their memories. They become demented. They die in agony. There is nothing that can be done to save them.

    The killer’s name is the Human Immunodeficiency Virus, or HIV for short. When he starts to kill you, it is said that you have AIDS, or Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. This killer emerged into our world over a decade ago, rising like an angel of death out of the oozing rivers of body fluids that spilled like fetid waterfalls into the streets of America from the sick and sleazy pleasure houses of the “liberated” homosexuals.

    When a killer like HIV is stalking the landscape, one would assume that the guardians of the public health would be galvanized into action, taking any and all measures to protect the uninfected from coming into contact with this killer.

    But the medical establishment and the public health authorities are not taking such action. In fact, most of their efforts are directed toward protecting the so-called “confidentiality” of the infected rather than toward isolating and preventing the further transmission of the virus. They withhold vital information about AIDS which could save millions of lives. By their acts of omission and commission they have become, in effect, the protectors and guardians of this killer virus. And as such, they may well become your murderers. Or your child’s murderers.

    Why are we being betrayed and lied to by those who are paid with our tax money to protect us? It has been well-documented, on this program and elsewhere, that the tremendous power of organized homosexuals (which reaches even into the White House, as President Clinton’s appointments and policies make clear) holds most of our craven and criminal politicians in thrall. And it should be obvious to Americans still capable of thinking for themselves that the homosexuals have been greatly aided by the controlled media. In the eyes of the powerful minority which controls the U.S. media, homosexuals are one among the many “oppressed minorities,” criticism of which is forbidden, on pain of losing one’s job or character assassination. (Look what happened to Andy Rooney when he mildly criticized perverts, or what happened to Jimmy the Greek when he speculated on the reasons for Black athletic success.)

    Yes, the power of organized perversion is a factor in the suppression of the truth about AIDS. And it is certainly a fact that the darling deviants are a part of the media’s push to destroy America. But there’s more to it than that. If the uncensored truth about AIDS were released to the American public, it would have the potential of permanently derailing the plan to submerge America into a multicultural New World Order. It would have the potential of waking up the sleeping American people — and our masters in Washington, New York and Tel Aviv cannot allow that to happen.

    AIDS is Transmissible via All Body Fluids

    Listening to the establishment media one could easily get the impression that about the only ways that one can get infected with the AIDS virus are to share IV needles with, or have unprotected sex with someone who is already infected. Those who believe that lie are at risk of becoming tomorrow’s AIDS statistics.

    First, there is no such thing as “safe sex” with a person who is HIV-positive. The condoms available in your local pharmacy or handed to twelve-year-olds at public schools offer little protection from the virus. Dr. C. M. Roland, Editor of Rubber Chemistry and Technology for the Naval Research Laboratory, states: “The 12 per cent failure rate of condoms in the prevention of pregnancy alone argues against their use for AIDS prevention. However, because the AIDS virus is orders of magnitude smaller than sperm, the situation is actually worse.” Dr. Roland goes on to point out that the AIDS virus is 0.1 micron in size, while typical holes in condoms, invisible to the naked eye, are 50 to 500 times larger, easily allowing passage of the virus. And according to Surgical Practice News of August, 1988, even surgical gloves, which are manufactured to a higher standard than condoms, may have holes nearly ten microns in diameter, or 100 times larger than the virus.

    Thousands have died because they, or doctors they trusted, believed the government’s and the media’s lies about AIDS. A startling example of this is the criminal negligence regarding AIDS-tainted blood in the blood banks.

    In 1983, we were told that the blood supply was safe. We were told that there were no documented cases of transmission via blood transfusion. When some individuals at the FDA and the Centers for Disease Control suggested that blood bankers could eliminate 80% of the AIDS-infected blood by testing all donated blood for Hepatitis-B, with which 80% of homosexual males are infected due to their filthy practices, and rejecting all the blood that tested positive, the higher-ups at both agencies declined to make that a requirement. Tens of thousands were sentenced to death by that decision. Why? Because homosexuals don’t want to be tested, they don’t want to be identified, and they don’t want their twisted sexual appetites restricted in even the slightest way. Homosexuals and powerful forces friendly to the homosexualization of America have successfully blocked this and many other common-sense proposals to protect the rest of us from AIDS.

    Continued: http://www.natall.com/american-dissident-voices/adv071093a.html

    • Albino.

      Neo-Nazi Leader Arrested on Child Pornography Charges

      Posted: January 8, 2007

      Kevin Alfred Strom, a long-time neo-Nazi leader and recent head of the Virginia-based National Vanguard, was arrested in Charlottesville, Virginia, on January 4, 2007, following an indictment on a federal charge of possessing child pornography. In addition, the January 3 indictment also charges Strom with witness tampering for allegedly physically assaulting and mentally intimidating an unnamed witness.

      The indictment alleges that from October 2005 through August 2006, Strom knowingly possessed or attempted to possess material containing multiple images of child pornography; it refers to four image files that were allegedly removed from a 40-gigabyte hard drive possessed by Strom.

      Strom was known for his obsession with young females. On a Web site he operated, he posted numerous images of idealized white women, including many of young girls. Ironically, in introducing the images, Strom wrote that his tastes, “run to works which exalt Nature and the human body, which give us a glimpse of an ideal world which exists as an archetype in the minds and souls of the men and women of the West, and which predate or transcend the degeneration of our culture which has been accelerating in this century.”

      Strom, until July 2006 the director of National Vanguard, first gained a name giving speeches on the neo-Nazi National Alliance’s American Dissident Voices radio show in the early 1990s. He was a devoted follower of William Pierce, the founder of the Alliance, whom he considered his mentor. In April 2005, Strom and fellow activists were expelled by Pierce’s successors for attempting an alleged coup. Strom, who had also been in charge of the Alliance’s magazine, National Vanguard, subsequently formed a new organization, which he also named National Vanguard. A number of the Alliance’s local chapters followed Strom and it appeared that the new organization would take a leading role in the neo-Nazi movement.

      However, some National Vanguard members soon questioned Strom’s leadership skills, while others complained about Strom’s “domineering” wife. By March 2006, the Tampa and Denver units, two of the largest and most active chapters, left the National Vanguard to form their own organization, the Nationalist Coalition. Strom also had a falling out with Ed Fields, a long-time racist who had joined the National Alliance and then associated himself with the National Vanguard. Fields, who had appointed Strom the managing editor of his white supremacist newspaper The Truth at Last in November 2005, fired him in the spring of 2006, and Strom’s situation continued to go downhill from there.

      In July 2006, Strom took a “leave of absence” from the National Vanguard, citing “health and family matters” and alluding to unspecified serious mistakes he had made.

    • Robert Smith

      From jay: all that gay garbage…

      And last time it was the Jews, and the time before that it was the blacks, and the chinks and japs…

      Always someone to hate.

      So much work and hate. For what? Oh yea, that brutal christian god they claim to worship.

      In fact, it’s simple greed. They need another to take from and all the name calling eases their guilt, if they have any.

      Rob

    • Robert Smith

      From Jay: “with which 80% of homosexual males are infected due to their filthy practices,”

      An outright lie.

      If you claim it’s true prove it.

      Rob

    • Robert Smith

      Hey Jay, it took me a few days to figure it out but I’ve found the source of your garbage material. It’s from the National Alliance headed up by Erich Gliebe.

      From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Gliebe

      “Erich Gliebe (born 1963) is a white separatist leader who was formerly a professional boxer and tool-and-die maker. He boxed under the moniker of “The Aryan Barbarian.”[1]

      Gliebe is the CEO and acting Chairman of the National Alliance. Gliebe’s activity in racial nationalism was inspired by his father, who served in the German Wehrmacht in World War II. He became prominent within the National Alliance as leader of the Cleveland National Alliance chapter (Local Unit), a position he has held since 1991, which is the oldest Local Unit (LC) in the National Alliance. He was hired by William Pierce to run the White-power music label Resistance Records after the National Alliance bought full ownership of it in 1999.”

      And there is a bunch more.

      Talk about corrupt information. Sheesh. Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies…

      Rob

  • Thamera

    Exactly 45 and Jay…Robert is a disgusting, selfish, vile excuse for a human being. The stats do not support all the money thrown at aids and Robert S. knows full well that the cases of aids that are not a direct result of lifestyle are the exception, not the rule. But hey, kill that innocent, unborn child, right Robert?

    btw those of you espousing universal health care (Eddie) are in the dark. I have close personal friends in Brazil, in Denmark, in France that work in the health care industry and it is a wreck! They HATE it! And ya know what? The poor still get crappy, shoddy medical care while the rich can still afford to get the health care that you mistakenly think everyone is going to get under government mandate. FOOLS!

    • Robert Smith

      From Thamera: ” But hey, kill that innocent, unborn child, right Robert?”

      Hey! You have to work for the approval of your god by impacting the lives of others to get your ticket to your heaven punched.

      Just think how lucky all those “babys” (in your eyes) are to get a ticket straight to that heaven without ever having had a chance to sin before your god. I’d think you would cheer them on and be happy for them.

      Rob

    • Robert Smith

      Thamera says: ” I have close personal friends in…”

      I have a close personal friend in your heaven and he overheard your god there is no chance you are going to make it.

      Aren’t close personal friends a great source of information? Particularly when it’s your point allegedly being made.

      Rob

  • 45caliber

    One thing I’ve not figured out. Millions have cancer. Thousands have Aids. Why should we be pumping more money into Aids research than into Cancer Research? Why should the states be providing free drugs to the Aids patients but cancer patients have to pay for their own treatments?

    • Jay

      Because homosexuality, as well as aids, is a hot political issue! Cancer, sadly, is only a medical condition!

    • Robert Smith

      So, those who gave themselves cancer by smoking or who married a smoker and got second hand smoke cancer, shouldn’t get treatment because it was self inflicted?

      Rob

  • i41

    judy, when the self inflicted problems of health comes up, the idea of government being the big nurse/doctor taking care of the owwee, proves how stupid people are. The 2 leading causes of AIDS infection are drug usage and rump rading rangers. When AIDS first hit the world stage, research and meds for other illness like cancer and diabetes was put on hold for new cures, but AIDS drugs got passes from the FDA. Any pie in the sky supposedly cure, was allowed to proceed right now to be tested. These same paper pushing s–t birds have stopped genetic grown kidneys and other organs to be used.It would to prevent drug usage costs to the patient is still being stopped, from even letting vollenteers to agree to to expriement with the new technology. When the ability to use a kidney developed for individual humans, has been known to work for over 2 decades, by the required FDA guidelines are stopping the use of the technology for a least another 2 decades. It would stop the need for dialysis and the massive cost of drugs and treatment for the health problems, is stopped by government guideline idiots. Same goes for new blood sugar meters and the 25 year test lag time, the newest one that is blood less and uses your ear lobes, is still 10 years out or more. AIDS is self inflicted, as is lung problems from smoking, or obesity caused by not keeping the snout out of the trough and sitting on the posterior. Guess it will be a wake up call for drug users and faggots and bi like Onumnutts.

    • Robert Smith

      Wrong i41: “These same paper pushing s–t birds have stopped genetic grown kidneys and other organs to be used.”

      The restrictions on stem cell research from the right wing are what killed that research for eight years.

      Rob

      • Jay

        Robert, you’re an idiot as usual! Adult stem-cell research has NOT been scraped and continues to provide great benefits! However, embryonic stem-cell research has been proven to be an absolute FLOP, you dumb azz!!!!

      • Robert Smith

        Quit lying Jay. Embrionic stem cell research has been held hostage as a red meat issue by the extreme right.

        Try voting common sense instead of being a dittohead.

        Rob

      • Jay

        Bulls**t and you know it! Only an idiot would continue with embryonic stem cell research. It doesn’t work!!!

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Jay, check this out. It wasn’t hard to find:

        Research at Stanford Medical School has shown that transplanted neurons grown from embryonic stem cells are able to form proper brain connections in newborn mice. The discovery, which demonstrates that stem cells can be directed to become specific brain cells, could be used to develop new treatments for nervous system diseases such as amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), as well as for spinal cord injuries. (HealthDay News, Jan. 19, 2010)

        Advanced Cell Technology of Santa Monica, Calif., has received federal approval to begin human clinical trials on treatments for age-related macular degeneration, a leading cause of vision loss in older adults, and for Stargardt macular dystrophy, a childhood form of macular degeneration and one of the most common forms of juvenile blindness. The therapy uses a single injection of retinal cells derived from embryonic stem cells, which has prevented further vision loss without adverse side effects in rats and mice. (Los Angeles Times, Jan. 3, 2011, and Nature, Nov. 22, 2010)

        Scientists have created synthetic blood using human embryonic stem cells, which could aid soldiers on the battlefield and victims of large-scale disasters when blood bank supplies are low. The scientists, who are working with the Wellcome Trust in Great Britain, say their ultimate goal is to create the rare O-negative blood type. It can be given to any patient without fear of rejection, but is produced by only 7 percent of people (Daily Telegraph, Aug. 16, 2010).

        A Stanford University study shows that neural cells created from embryonic stem cells helped repair the brains of rats damaged by stroke. The rats, which each lost partial use of a forelimb, showed improvement after they were injected with the early-stage neural cells. The cells traveled to the damaged brain section and incorporated into the surrounding tissue, working to repair damage caused by the stroke (Stanford University, Feb. 20, 2008).

        Researchers at Stanford University in California have coaxed embryonic stem cells and induced pluripotent stem (iPS) cells into becoming the hair cells deep inside the ear that are destroyed in hearing loss. Once damaged, the cells cannot be repaired; however, the stem cell advance raises the possibility of treating different types of deafness and hearing loss (Reuters, May 13, 2010).

        Researchers at Tottori University in Japan have successfully made heart pacemaker cells using the embryonic stem cells of mice. The achievement could lead to breakthroughs in treatment for irregular heartbeats, also known as arrhythmia, and could reduce the need for electronic pacemakers in human patients. (The Daily Yomiuri, Jan. 12, 2011)

        And many more at: http://www.stemcellaction.org/content/recent-advances-human-embryonic-stem-cell-research

    • Albino.

      “faggots”…….. What have Harley riders got to do with HIV medication??? Well unless they have HIV of cause!

      Fag (făg) n.

      1. An extremely annoying, inconsiderate person most commonly associated with Harley riders.
      2. A person who owns or frequently rides a Harley.
      Fag (făg) n.:

      http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fag%20%28făg%29%20n.

  • judy

    If the disease or sickness can be prevented by a person on their own we should not have to pay for it. if it is because of negligence than that is different. AIDS is just like VD or pregnancy, it can be avoided most of the time if people will just protect themselves.

    • Robert Smith

      So judy says let ‘em die.

      How christian of you judy.

      Rob

      • 45caliber

        Rob:

        Your point? I assume you are saying that these people stupid enough to have unprotected sex and caught Aids needs more care and money than others?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        That is exactly what he is saying.

      • Robert Smith

        So much for “pro-life.” I knew that was a lie.

        Do you get a thrill when someone dies from AIDS?

        Rob

      • Jay

        Robert says:So much for “pro-life.” I knew that was a lie.

        Do you get a thrill when someone dies from AIDS?

        Rob

        I doubt that, you moron, but the dumb azz homosexual having been educated in the danger of his perverted practice, yet insists on going to his death in pursuit of his sick thrill!!! Donkeys!

      • Robert Smith

        So many of them proud of the “let ‘em die” position.

        And! Many of them call themselves christian.

        But how can I blame them when their god flooded things, blew up cities, turned people into salt, watched Lot knock up his girls, let his own son be tortured.

        Yup, sure looks brutal to me.

        Rob

      • eddie47d

        How about coal miners and painters who suffer terrible respiratory troubles. Should we cut them off because they picked the wrong job?

      • Jay

        We’re talking about jobs versus lifestyle Eddie. You made a crapy connection! But, i suppose the coal miners could receive better protective gear, respiratory protection, and gays, should know by now that there is PROTECTION available, USE IT!!! Do gay people suffer from a learning disability, as well as debauchery??? Cry me a river you dumb dumbs!

      • eddie47d

        Jay the name caller. There are way too many of you I can’t keep up. How about those who catch Malaria by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I’ve had it before and it is not pleasant. Do you automatically think I inflicted myself? Few knew that Aids was coming as fast and furious as it did. We have educated and controlled it in the USA but the after effects still linger for many.

      • Jay

        We’re talking about aids patients Eddie! There presently exists a 100% cure for aids. Abstinence, protection at the least! Don’t you think? As for name calling, what else can you call these people, intelligent?

      • Robert Smith

        Abstinance encouragement doesn’t work.

        Just ask Brystol Palun or McCain’s little girl.

        Rob

      • Jay

        Then they will die!

      • Robert Smith

        Actually, presumibly because they are your god’s chosen, lesbians don’t die from sex with eachother.

        Brystol may have problems giving birth though. Women do die from that.

        Rob

      • Jay

        Robert says: So judy says let ‘em die.

        Robert, they usually do, and, as your spiritual friend Karolyn says, death allows the spirit to be free! Why deny them their freedom? After all, you agreed with her regarding allowing the un-born to die and their spirit to fly free from what could be a horrible life! You’re such a hypocrite!!!

      • Robert Smith

        Jay asks: “Why deny them their freedom?”

        Why do you deny all those “babys” the chance to go to your version of heaven up with you brutal god when they are aborted before they have a chance to sin?

        Rob

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Judy is correct. This disease is brought about by behavior, a free choice. You do know about free choice since that has been whined about by people who want no consequences for their actions.

      • Robert Smith

        Tell that lie to Arthur Ash.

        Oops he died from AIDS from a blood transfusion.

        Rob

      • Jay

        Yes, blood donated by infected homosexuals!

      • Albino.

        Homosexuals can’t give blood (well unless they lie about it!)….! What about the 42% of Breeders infected by HIV?? Can they give blood??

        http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/us.htm

      • Jay

        The so-called 42% breeders, and the term breeders, btw, a term commonly used by gays in regards to straight couple, are bi-sexual. Can they give blood if their HIV positive? No, off-course not! Do they lie about being bi-sexual? Without a doubt!

      • Albino.

        You never even went to the web site…? Bi sexual are lumped in with the 53% gay/queer/homosexuals (what ever you want to call them)! The 42% are breeders/heterosexuals (again what ever you want to call them!), because HIV IS A HETEROSEXUAl disease as well! Yes the homosexuals are the biggest group to carry the disease but that doesn’t discount the FACT that heterosexuals carry it as well. In fact gays and breeders are effected by all the major sexually transmitted diseases!

        Do you know which continent HIV comes from??

        Do you know HIV could be closely tied to Polio and Hepatitis B vaccine’s of the mid- 1970′s! You NEED to do a little research before you post, HIV could well be a mistake made by large pharmaceutical companies in the late 60′s.

        http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/aids-coverups/polio_hepatitis_B_Aids.html

        Question…. Why are these large companies and the US spending billions of $$ on HIV??? Why not cancer???

        Open your mind and you shall see!

      • Robert Smith

        Jay says about HIV infected people: “Do they lie about being bi-sexual? Without a doubt!”

        Another wild lie from the right.

        The fact is that if someone has HIV that is being treated they are generally so stressed out that giving blood is NOT on their list of things to do on any given day.

        Would YOU donate blood if you were fighting for your life?

        BTW, isn’t lying a sin according to your brutal god?

        Rob

  • http://burkecomputers.blogspot.com/ DanB

    I don’t know if I should laugh or cry.

    Laugh because the people are complaining about a system we apparently want. Cry because the people are complaining about a system we apparently want. Oh, wait. That’s right, as they went to pass the healthcare law, over half of Americans were opposed to the law.

    You say that the healthcare law isn’t fully in effect yet? Well, yes, you are right. The above story is a great example of how well government committees and panels work for healthcare, and we want more of this? We must want suffering and misery!

    This is also a great introduction to the whole lives system, or whatever it is called. Those conditions that are incurable get less $$$ in treatment. While you can make the claim that less money will be lost and greater taxes will be collected if AIDS is treated, what of the handicapped, the deaf, the blind, the paralyzed, the deformed, and the chronically ill?

    I expect we are going to see more of these stories over the next decade.

    • Robert Smith

      Dan asks: “what of the handicapped, the deaf, the blind, the paralyzed, the deformed, and the chronically ill?”

      They should also be treated.

      Why would anyone question such?

      The only way to solve these problems is with universal health care.

      Rob

      • Rick

        In your particular case Mr. Smith, I can only pray that you lose an eye, hand or part of your leg while enjoying some favorite past-time or perhaps you contract some incurable communicable disease….. Anything that would impact your quality of life and ability to earn a living wage that is not covered by workers comp or some personal injury insurance you may have. Then I would love to see if you sing the same tune when you get turned away from financial assistance and healthcare (i.e. drugs, prosthetic limbs, etc.) as a result of Obamacare. The situation this post pertains to is just one of the many valid reasons over half of the American people were and still are opposed to the healthcare law. Interesting enough, as more facts become known about the law, more and more Americans are joining the ranks of those who opposed the law in the first place.

      • eddie47d

        Actually Mr Smith might get treated better and have that prosthetic covered under the Affordable Healthcare Act. It could be cheaper also without big business gouging every body. Were you satisfied with Blue Cross and others raising their premiums 59% a couple of years before this national plan was put out to the public?

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        I’m sure Smith’s favorite past-time is not putting his manhood where another man defecates. The vast majority of HIV and AIDS is spread throughout the queer community and their behavior and practices are a personal choice. Why should the rest of us normal people have to pay for their perversions ?

      • Robert Smith

        Lesbians must be your god’s chosen people. It’s extremely rare they get aids from eachother.

        I’m surprised you don’t encourage more of that form of very safe sex. No AIDS, no pregnancy, pretty much no STDs to worry about at all.

        Rob

      • Robert Smith

        Hi Rick. You posted: ” I can only pray that you lose an eye, hand or part of your leg…”

        How christian of you Rick. Thanks for that insight that you would like to see someone maimed to make your point.

        Meanwhile people are actually DYING because they can’t get health care.

        Hup [shaking my head] how christian of you.

        Anyone who says they are “pro-life” should be supporting universal health care for everyone.

        Rob

      • 45caliber

        Robert Smith:

        Really? Then there shouldn’t be any of those people having trouble getting care in England, should there? Or even those in Mass.

        Perhaps you should move to either of those places so you can enjoy that “free” care and see for yourself if everyone is getting all the care they need.

      • Robert Smith

        Brown, your alleged “conservative” senator signed off on MA health care. BTW, it’s working.

        Rob

  • wandamurline

    Why are these drugs so expensive? If you think this is bad, just wait until Obamacare goes into effect. You will be on a waiting list for a new kidney, dialysis, etc. and your age will detrmine whether or not you will receive any life saving treatments….remember “death panels”…they will be playing at your local hospital and physician offices very soon under Obamacare.

    • Robert Smith

      Question asked: “Why are these drugs so expensive?”

      Why is gas expensive? Why is anything expensive?

      BECAUSE THEY CAN.

      And Bush Jr. went out and got no bids on drugs so Americans could pay more and more.

      Health care is necessary and it should be regulated like a utility. Everyone gets it at a reasonable price.

      We can’t continue to do health care as a greedy enterprise. I want a doctor who is interested in my health, not his bank account.

      Rob

      • outspoken

        Robert, universal ‘health care’ is anything but health or care. …when you have a panel of people, not my doctor, deciding if I DESERVE to get whatever medical care needed…this will be nothing compared to what will happen when Obamacare comes in full force. We are looking at a real population KILLER with obamacare. READ the bill, it is very scary, and it is coming. You wanted it…..bet you won’t like it when you finally realize what you got!

      • Robert Smith

        Posted: “when you have a panel of people, not my doctor, deciding if I DESERVE to get whatever medical care needed…”

        Such panels are ALREADY in place. They are called insurance companies. Some yahoo in India is reading from a policy book about what care you can get. That is what is CURRENTLY in place. Almost anything would be an improvement over that.

        “this will be nothing compared to what will happen when Obamacare comes in full force.”

        And what we have NOW is most industrialized countries like Canada, England, Japan, etc. have universal health care. They are ranked above us at 18, where we are right next to Cuba.

        The current system driven by greed is broken. It’s that simple.

        Rob

      • Bob G

        Are you brain dead smith? The USA is ranked next to Cuba and England and Canada are above us? Sweet Jesus, where do you morons keep coming from?

      • Robert Smith

        Hi Bob,

        Here is a direct compaison between the U.S. and Candda. They beat us in both life expectancy and infant mortality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canadian_and_American_health_care_systems

        Acording to the WHO the U.S. is 37th and Cuba is 39th. But the infant mortality and life expectancy are extremely close in this case.

        Check it out at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHO%27s_ranking_of_health_care_systems

        Rob

      • Jay

        Robert says:Question asked: “Why are these drugs so expensive?”

        Why is gas expensive? Why is anything expensive?

        BECAUSE THEY CAN.

        Wrong! Aids medication is very expensive because the aids virus is constantly mutating thus making the virus resistant to medication, therefore, medication to fight the virus must continually be upgraded!!! Very expensive! Wrong again, booby.

      • Robert Smith

        The same thing occurs with flu virus each year and that’s really really cheap.

        It’s greed driving it.

        Rob

      • Jay

        Abstinence is even cheaper, in fact, its free! duh…

      • Robert Smith

        Jay says: “Abstinence is even cheaper, in fact, its free!”

        That worked out for a young Mary who had a kid as a virgin.

        That worked out for Sarah’s daughter.

        If your brutal god made sex so evil why did he make it feel so good and so easy to do?

        Rob

    • http://www.reformdc.com nax777

      Will not wait. At least stuff like this may bring more people around.

      It is irrational to think that any nation can save more than a hand full of people from overpopulated poorer nation. Especially when most refuse to change their life style and blame the Jones’s for their plight.

      It is irrational to call mom a Nazi A. hole for giving people a ride back home to keep her home from overpopulation. It is irrational to think that any single payer social program will work best. It is irrational to think that nations can tax its way out of poverty. It is irrational to believe that a power convinced that you have nowhere else to go will do your biding.

      No one is going to stand in their way the template to convince people that a rational person is a very sick or stupid SOB must be removed first. And only you can remove yours. The misuse of Negative Theory must be taught to future generations.

      A true Conservative and a true Liberal agree on one thing though for different reasons. Any single payer social program is a nutty idea! Now each believes that it’s not so nutty as long as their side is managing it.

      We can destroy the power by replacing them with citizens that can be immediately removed by citizens should they grow a greedy bone and never serve for a life time. We must take control ourselves. Please join with us at Goooh.com you might be able to click on my name. This will take you to my link page that links to Goooh.com, NumbersUSA.com and SBA-list.org.

      P.S. Have you heard of “you cut”

      • Robert Smith

        Hi nax,

        I checked out: Goooh.com

        A lot of the questions on the test have no black and white answers. What is correct for America is generally somewhere in the middle on many subjects.

        Some exceptions to the grey that I saw are:

        Unless one has been convicted of a felony or crazy they should be permitted to carry a gun. I’m 100% with that one.

        I’m also committed to the notion that abortion should be decided by the woman herself and ONLY those who she asks for advice. It is a medical procedure and should not be a political one. If she needs / wants one if she is on a plan that pays for it it should be paid for.

        I’m committed that pot should be legal and treated much like alcohol (kids shouldn’t generally get it) but harder drugs should have limits on them (not an absolute ban). With legalization many of the questions about absolute sentencing of dealers become moot.

        Other things like limiting to percentages based on GNP, etc. are vague in that there isn’t enough information to make a thought out decision immediately. For example” What is currently being spent as an absolute amount and as a percentage and how does that relate to what is proposed? In that case rather than a snap decision research needs to be done.

        Rob

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