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Jailed For Questioning Barack Obama

May 20, 2011 by  

Jailed For Questioning Barack Obama

Some of the more emotional reunions I have ever witnessed occurred at airports. Few can match the joy of wives (and, sometimes, husbands) and children as they welcome a service member returning safely from overseas.

This past Saturday, such a reunion took place at Baltimore Washington International Airport. But in this case, the highly decorated veteran wasn’t returning from Iraq or Afghanistan. Instead, he had just been released from military prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kan.

Lt. Col. Terry Lakin had been sentenced to six months in jail and dismissed from the Army because he had the temerity to question whether Barack Obama was Constitutionally qualified to serve as President of the United States and, thus, as his Commander in Chief.

But this is not just another “Birther” story. The issues Lakin raised, and the mockery of a trial he received, go much deeper than that. Bear with me while I tell you a little more about them.

First, you need to know that Lakin served his country honorably and well for more than 17 years. His numerous awards and decorations include: the Army Flight Surgeon Badge, Combat Medical Badge, the Bronze Star Medal, the Meritorious Service Medal, the Army Commendation Medal with two Oak Leaf Clusters, the Army Achievement Medal with one Oak Leaf Cluster, the National Defense Service Medal with Bronze Service Star, the Armed Forces Expedition Medal, the Army Reserve Component Achievement Medal, the Army Service Ribbon, the Overseas Service Ribbon sixth award and the NATO service medal.

Lakin previously served with distinction in Honduras, Bosnia, El Salvador, Korea and Afghanistan. His problems began two years ago, when he was first exposed to material that made him question whether Obama was Constitutionally eligible to serve as his Commander in Chief. Yes, Lakin got sucked into the whole “Birther” controversy.

For more than a year, Lakin asked — first through his chain of command (this was the Army, after all) and later through his congressional delegation — for proof that would satisfy his questions. Then, something happened that stiffened his resolve: He received orders in February 2010 to report for deployment in Afghanistan. And as part of his orders, he was told to provide a certified copy of his birth certificate to the responsible authorities.

Normally, Lakin would have had no problem complying with either the deployment (he had served with honor in Afghanistan once before) or with the request. He had provided a certified birth certificate when he was commissioned in the U.S. Army the first time, when he applied for a marriage license and when he received his first security clearance. This time, however, he had a concern.

Lakin asked his commanding officer why, if he was required to routinely provide such evidence, wasn’t his Commander in Chief?

As you might guess, Lakin never received a satisfactory answer. So he then did something he later admitted might not have been the smartest decision he ever made: He declined to go until he was shown the proof he had previously requested.

Uh-oh. That’s when the feathers hit the fan. (I suspect soldiers use a stronger term.) Asking a question about your Commander in Chief became disobedience of a lawful order. A court-martial would follow.

Lakin looked forward to his day in court. He hoped to present his case, tell a jury how he came to have such questions, call witnesses, ask for discovery, present evidence: all the things we Americans have come to expect as a normal part of the justice system.

But this wasn’t “the justice system;” it was the U.S. military. And as the saying goes, things are different there. A military judge ruled that the only issues before the court martial were “the facts of the matter.” That is: Did Lakin disobey a lawful order? He was not allowed to explain why he did so; he was not allowed to call any witnesses or present any evidence.

So no one, not even Lakin or his most ardent supporters, was surprised with the result: Guilty as charged. Lakin was sentenced to six months in Leavenworth (it could have been five years), a reduction in rank, the loss of pension and pay and dishonorable discharge. It is a heavy price to pay for what many will consider a legal dispute.

Then, just days before Lakin was due to be released from military prison — and after two years of stonewalling — Obama changed tactics. He asked officials in Hawaii for a copy of the long-form “Certificate of Live Birth” that would prove he was, in fact, a native-born American. So eager was he to get it that he had a staffer fly from Washington to Honolulu to pick it up. Express Mail wasn’t good enough.

In a statement afterward, a spokesman for the Lakin family said, “Had the Obama Administration agreed to allow the document unveiled today and other related documents as requested for discovery in Lakin’s first pretrial hearing, the matter would have been resolved and soldiers assured their military orders were lawful, given by a lawful Commander in Chief.”

The statement added, “A good soldier, having played his part in this issue, would have returned enthusiastically to the service for which he is so ably trained.”

Of course, none of that was allowed to happen.

As many of you know, I wrote extensively about the whole “Birther” issue last week, in a column called Obama’s Birth, Bin Laden’s Death. As expected, nearly 1,000 readers have added their 2 cents to the debate. In fact, many wrote so extensively and so passionately that I should probably say their $2 worth. The debate got hot and furious. And I don’t think it will calm down anytime soon.

But Donald Trump has declared he will not run for President next year. No other viable candidate seems interested in making Obama’s antecedents an issue. Time will tell if the old adage “ignore it and it will go away” will work again, as it has so many times in the past.

In the meantime, if you would like to thank one brave soldier for taking a principled stand — and who paid a pretty high price for doing so — go to www.terrylakinactionfund.com and send Lakin and his wife, Pili, a note of appreciation. You might even consider making a donation to help them pay the mountain of bills they face.

Lakin could probably make a bunch of money on the lecture circuit or writing a book about his ordeal. But until the military process is complete — and that could take years — he has been ordered to keep his mouth shut.

As I said, military justice isn’t what you’re used to seeing on Law and Order. I think it’s the right place to try any al-Qaida terrorists we capture. But I’m not sure it prevailed in this case. What do you think?

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • DavidL

    Chip,
    Your article is misinformed, erroneous, and mostly irrelevant.

    1. He was ordered to deploy.

    2. He refused to deploy.

    3. He pled guilty to disobeying a lawful order, and is paying the
    price.

    4. Your spin that “Asking a question about your Commander in Chief became disobedience of a lawful order” is, once again, a self-serving partisan shot.

    5. Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the only time a soldier may disobey an order is when that solder believes the order is unlawful.

    6. An order which is unlawful not only does not need to be obeyed, but obeying such an order can result in criminal prosecution of the one who obeys it. Military courts have long held that military members are accountable for their actions even while following orders

    7. I guarantee you, and the readers of this site, that if President Bush were in office and a solder refused to deploy because he had a question about the “birth” of the President, you would be ranting a raving about how light a sentence he received.

    8. Are you capable of being non-partisan and objective?

    • JC

      Like him or not, Bush was an American which is where your whole analysis falls flat on its face.

  • Wayne937

    I might add one more item. Justice can never be served when we lose our faith in our courts and the journalism in this country is untrustworthy. I thought that the news agencies were only to report the news, and not take side with either party. I feel that most of the American Electorate are smart enough to draw their own conclusion when the news is presented accurately.

    • smilee

      Like NEWSMAX, Too popular for our own good. They pass themselves off as a news source but are nothing more than a propaganda tool and we have too many like this today and websites doing the same thing and sadly some peoples biases are no blatant that they actually believe this garbage like DAVEH who reads many of these and his posts reflect and often refer you to them. Sorry davy as you are not alone on here doing that but my favorite to pick on

      • DaveH

        You lie, Smilee! How unusual, a lying Liberal. Matter of fact I rarely read Newsmax, because they are too right-wing for me. I don’t like pushy, controlling people on either side of the aisle. But at least those on the right aren’t helping themselves to my money.

      • DaveH

        And Smilee, it might bother me if somebody with integrity picked on me. But, it doesn’t bother me at all for you to try, because the regulars know you don’t have integrity. Imagine that, a person who advocates for the Party of Thieves doesn’t have integrity. Who would’ve thunk it?

  • Doc Sarvis

    It is too bad that Mr Lakin (and others) got taken in by the crazy stuff the birthers were peddleing. The conservative press/media gave the birthers WAY too much traction.

    • Wayne937

      I believe the birthers are still correct in their thinking, Doc Sarvis. or it would not have taken Obama over 2 years to obtain his birth certificate. I guess it took Obama that long to figure out how to it. When his man got elected to be governor of Hawaii, I guess this is when he finally had a chance to come up with a birth certificate. The onmly way I would ever believe that his birth certificate was legal is if an independent firm would take the original and check the ink for age. Why would he wait for 2 years to put somthing like this to rest. I doubt that you would. I know I wouldn’t. If he did this out of spite than what kind of a man does that make him? An inbecile in my mind.

      • Jovianus

        Well…it was shown Bush went AWOL during time of war, and therefore committed a felony. Thus ineligible to hold the office of POTUS. There was far more evidence which was direct, in writing, witnesses etc…but it was shoved under the rug. Then, when push came to shove, the military records were…”disappeared” and “incomplete”.

        What was your opinion on Bush’s cowardice in time of war? Do you think Bush was ineligible to hold the office of POTUS?

        Do you thinnk any military person had the right to refuse an order based upon his/her subjective political belief that Bush was a coward unfit to hold the office and ineligible to hold the office?

      • Dennis Patrick

        At least George W sorta showed up! Nobody says a word about “Deferment Dick” Cheney and his 5 deferments – odd after the screaming about Bill Clinton’s dodges.

      • eddie47d

        The “crickets” with Cheney’s 5 deferments is more proof that the righties are hypocrites. They are all emperors without any clothes.

      • JC

        eddie47d says:
        May 20, 2011 at 6:47 pm
        The “crickets” with Cheney’s 5 deferments is more proof that the righties are hypocrites. They are all emperors without any clothes.
        _________________________________________________________________
        Right! A couple of hundred million people are hypocrites because of one douche bag politician…
        And you consider yourself intelligent? LOL

      • ValDM

        Most of what you’re spouting is pure nonsense as it has been admitted by CBS news that they “cobbled” up that “supposed” news. But by all means……BLAME IT ON BUSH. How sad you can’t move on.

      • smilee

        The fact CBS did not have the proof does not prove their allegations where not true merely not provable unlike the birthers whom have proof he is born in the US but they deny it

      • JC

        smilee says:
        May 21, 2011 at 12:33 pm
        The fact CBS did not have the proof does not prove their allegations where not true merely not provable unlike the birthers whom have proof he is born in the US but they deny it
        ______________________________________________________
        Come on everybody sing along…you know the words…
        yes we can yes we can zeig heil zeig heil…

      • DaveH

        More equivocation from Jovianus. What else should we expect? Here is a reasoned treatment of the subject by an obviously unbiased person:
        http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2446/did-george-w-bush-go-awol-during-his-time-in-the-national-guard

      • azwayne

        Dig and scrape ANUS, you have no conscience, or beyond any description of stupid. Sarvis we recognize your slot with ANUS and CAROL. Volume of stupid doesn’t make it more believable.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Your assessment of volume may be correct considering the vast majority of posts on this site are heavily on the right.

      • JeffH

        Doc, you’re beginning to sound more and more like 47Stupid with every comment you make.

      • DaveH

        Doc,
        It doesn’t matter if they’re on the left or the right (or neither), if their words are true.
        Are you really a Doctor? You sure don’t seem that knowledgeable. Your comments rarely have any substance to them.

      • eddie47d

        At least I’m not Klan stupid like you are Jeff!Go crawl under your sheet and kiss your posterior good night.

      • JeffH

        …another meaningless and stupid comment from the one, the only…47Stupid!

      • Thamera

        “klan stupid” Eddie47? What does that even mean? That comment is just stupid in and of itself.

      • eddie47d

        Jeff knows exactly what I mean.

      • JC

        eddie47d says:
        May 21, 2011 at 7:49 pm
        Jeff knows exactly what I mean.
        _______________________________________________
        I don’t think your psychiatrist could even figure that one out eddiejoviflashgunnypastordenniso….
        Maybe lay off the scotch while your on so many meds.

        Nah what the hell, go for it! ;)

      • Penny F.

        Amen! I needed my birth certificate not too long ago, I had it in 24 hrs. I live in California, born in Minnesota, paid $60.00 and I had it next day….So, taking 2yrs. and 2 million dollars later- I do not believe a word obama says.

      • Doc Sarvis

        I kinda think President Obama has had slightly more important things to deal with than establishing and already established fact. I am sure if he had spent a lot of time on this issue (as so many conservatives have) he would have been widly criticized for not paying attention to our country’s Important problems.

        As for the $2 million; he has a legal fund as all presidents and presidential candidates have. Does that mean he has spent it in some sort of legal effort regarding this issue – No.

      • JC

        Doc Sarvis says:

        May 20, 2011 at 9:35 am

        I kinda think President Obama has had slightly more important things to deal with than establishing and already established fact.
        ___________________________________________________________________

        Like destroying the country?

      • Doc Sarvis

        JC
        No, actually this President is focused on trying to improve our economy, improve our standing in the world, improve our ability to surpress our enemy, improve the lot of our most down-trodden, improve our ability to address health issues for all citizens, improve our country’s infrastructure, and improve our energy policy among other things.

      • Thamera

        just have to say to Doc: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      • Dan az

        That’s a good one Doc keep them coming I need a good laugh today!Yuuu sooo funny.

      • JAY L IN COLORADO

        Right about that Doc
        He probably would miss his Tee Time. That’s about all.
        Now he is really doing important thigs, such as screwing Isreal over for his Arab cronies.

      • DaveH

        Doc,
        Do you really believe that, or are you really just an operative for the Democrat Political Class?

      • DaveH

        “improve our standing in the world”? By launching murderous attacks on a country (Libya) that has in no way attacked us?
        “improve the lot of our most down-trodden, improve our ability to address health issues for all citizens, improve our country’s infrastructure”? By stealing money from the producer’s and giving it to the non-producers? You honestly think the producers are going to produce more when their money is taken, and that the non-producers are going to become more productive when they are given other peoples’ money? Castro promised his citizens much the same thing. How’s that working out for them?
        “improve our energy policy among other things”? Improve our energy policy by stifling our energy producers every way he can? Are you joking, Doc? Is this your way of stand-up comedy?

      • JeffH

        JC, you hit the nail on the head…again, and beat me to the punch. Good job!

      • JC

        Doc Sarvis says:
        May 20, 2011 at 10:28 am
        JC
        No, actually this President is focused on trying to improve our economy, improve our standing in the world
        ______________________________________________________________

        By spending us into oblivion and waging a campaign on our Constitution like no one else in history?
        My God, but you are a stupid man.

  • Don C. Hayward

    Mr. Lakin, as an educated Officer certainly was aware of the UCMJ being the controlling document regarding the refusal to deploy. I have donated to Mr. Lakin’s defense fund but still have reservations regarding the wisdom of the “choice” to put his career on the line when the system, UCMJ, is not exactly defense friendly. Mr. Lakin, may or may not have purity of motive regarding the desparity in his requirement to produce a BC but the fact is that unless the military has changed policy, the Certificate of Live Birth was all that was required of Mr. Lakin, as it was with a security clearance circa 1957-1961.

    • azwayne

      Col LAkin did the greatest thing he could for the safety of his country and his fellow mankind. What else could anyone ask. Yes, he was aware of risks. Thankfully he will be rewarded many fold, even if not by his incompetent government. We can only hope we don’t have to suffer much longer either.

  • Kookie

    I am on Terry Lakin’s side. He was give a lawful order, but by an illegal president. Obama still has to show complete proof.

    • Carol

      I have a question. Exactly what “proof” would you (and the “Birther Movement people” accept, to shut up and go away. I suspect “none” would be the answer. People with closed minds are like that. If the poor woman had only known at the time, she could have had someone hang a flag in the delivery room… Had a newspaper (showing the date) taped to the wall… got a movie done of the delivery, and gotton a sworn (notorized) statement from the OBGYN – and some crazy would STILL have screamed it was a “fraud”. The man was chosen by the American People, get over it!!!
      We had to put up with 8 years of the Bush/Cheney regime, you can put up with a few more years of Obama. By the way, I’ve lived through a whole lot of presidents… I remember Ike well… and Obama is the first one I’ve ever seen promise to do something for the poor – and actually DO it!!! No, I’m not black… No, I’m not a Democrat… and Yes, I am an American! (And I can’t wait until my children – and their children – can actually go to a doctor when they need to!)
      Where were all of you “Patriots” when B/C, inc. were digging the hole that got this country into this mess. Probably in line with your hand out for the goodies. I’ll bet none of the “Birthers” make less that $150,000. a year, and they all have good insurance!!!

      • NotBlind

        Carol – what is your purpose here exactly?

      • azwayne

        AANUS went and found Carol, because he has been found out, needs more sheeple input. Carol, to be so blind is one thing, it’s too easy to learn FACTS today, you’re part of the illegal usurper’s propaganda army. whose i position is “Don’t worry if factual, get the numbers when we say and type something 10,000 times someone will believe us. That’s why they’re here. When someone can’t show a certified birth certificate from United States with citizen parents, and in one speech says as one born in Kenya and when more people in Kenya are excited about his stealing of election than Americans are, simple we’re sick of the liar in chief making such a shambles, of America, not just for us but our children and grandchildren all suffer, like we never imagined. Too cheap to buy CORSI’s book of proof, get someone to read it to you, pictures too, for the typical liberal.

      • Carlucci

        OMG – Carol – !! What the french, toast? What are you doing on this blog? Your rants sound like they belong on HuffPo.

        Okay – tell us the truth….were you recruited by jovi and the rest of the Romper Room bunch?

      • JC

        Patriots would like some evidence…any at all, that Obama is eligible.
        So far there are more questions than answers and if this Kenyan imposter had any “real” proof, we would have seen it by now.
        Everything about the man is a lie.

      • Jovianus

        JC..there have been more than a few suits filed in court about this. Not one has gotten a favorable ruling. So much for your stance. have a nice day whoever you decide to post under

      • JC

        You’re right eddie…the courts are corrupt beyond redemption too.
        have a nice day flash. ;)

      • smilee

        JC says:
        May 20, 2011 at 5:47 pm

        Anything or anybody you do not agree with is corrupt, stupid and a 100 or more other incorrect adjectives you use because you lack the intelligence to participate in honest discourse

      • Dan az

        Like they say smelly proof is in the pudding.I’ll show you mine after you show me yours!

      • JC

        Not really eddie…I just hold all you communist lefty pinkos in complete contempt. You should all hang yourselves and save us the trouble.
        Have a nice day Joviflashpastorgunnytwistedfreak….

      • Stan

        Carol, Are you even aware that Obama himself said after he was elected to the Illinois Senate that he was not bornin Hawaii, that he was born in Kenya? Hmmm…..

        He didn’t object when the AP stated that the Kenyan Born Obama was headed to the US Senate from Illinois.

        http://classic-web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

        Plain and simple Carol….. Obama is not a Natural Born US Citizen.

      • smilee

        Not true, quit reading those propaganda sites and seek the truth which propaganda sites never tell

      • DaveH

        So Carol says “I can’t wait until my children – and their children – can actually go to a doctor when they need to!)”

        I hope you’re very patient, Carol, because thanks to people like yourself, we will all have to wait much longer and pay much more for medical care after the Government gets even more involved than it already has been for the last 50 years.

        But then, you don’t care do you, as long as you think you will get what you want?

      • Dan az

        Dave
        I think carol is karolyn what do you think?

      • Jovianus

        It’s apparent you’re Dave H…what do you think?

      • Dan az

        Prove it.Just that simple!

      • DaveH

        This is interesting. Jovianus has talked about blogging from “his office”. Does he work for himself like so many of the board Liberals claim? If so, he sure isn’t a very good businessman, being on the Personal Liberty site all hours of the day. Or is he just a worker bee cheating his boss by messing around on Personal Liberty instead of doing an honest days work?
        Bob Livingston says Jovianus shares the same IP address with several different names. Most likely of course is that he’s a paid Obama operative here to disrupt the peaceful exchange of ideas amongst Freedom Lovers (he sure isn’t one). The Leaders don’t like people talking about how little we really need them.

      • OldNYFirefighter

        Carol, do you know what the definition of Natural Born Citizen is? To be a Natural Born Citizen, both parents of the child are required to be US Citizens & the child must be born in the USA or US Territory. Obama’s father, even according to his newest Birth Certificate, is a British Citizen & never has been a US Citizen. That makes Obama a Native Born Citizen – ineligible to be POTUS. He also had Dual Citizenship, British under his Father & US under his Mother if he was indeed born in Hawaii. If he was born in Kenya he isn’t a US Citizen because his Mother was too young to transfer her Citizenship to her son. Either or both facts make Obama ineligible to be POTUS. Look up S.R. 511. The US Senate made a Resolution verifying McCains eligibility to be a Candidate due to the fact that “BOTH PARENTS” were US Citizens & he was born on a Military Base in Panama. The key word is BOTH to be Natural Born & eligible. Unless this is enforced, the Constitution might just as well be used as toilet paper because it is irrelevant & void. Either follow it or rescind the Constitution & all it stands for. If Obama is not eligible he is in the Office illegally & is committing Treason & Fraud against the Constitution & US Citizens. FYI, the Office of POTUS & V.P. are the only Offices that require Natural Born Citizenship Status. All other’s require only Native Born or Naturalized Citizenship – born in the USA or Naturalized. Look it up, don’t take my word for it.

      • Ken

        Firefighter you are absolutely right. Further, it is not impeachment we are after, that would merely remove him from office. It is arrest which makes all done while he was in office concerning the office null and void.

      • smilee

        That cannot be done until you impeach and convict him in impeachment or until he is out of office. Nothing will ever be done as you would like because no prosecutor with a brain would touch this as in the end he would loose and be a laughing stock because those who know the law would know this would be a loosing undertaking

      • Dan az

        No smelly it would be called treason which BTW would be according to the umcj be the firing squad!

      • smilee

        and just where in the Constitution is that definition of natural born citizen?????????

      • JeffH

        Carol says: “and Obama is the first one I’ve ever seen promise to do something for the poor – and actually DO it!!! No, I’m not black… No, I’m not a Democrat… and Yes, I am an American! (And I can’t wait until my children – and their children – can actually go to a doctor when they need to!)”

        Gee, I have to wonder if you are on the government dole…live on government handouts because comment like that one indicate such.
        I suppose you’re happy that you don’t have to pay rent anymore too.

      • Thamera

        People like Carol are SOOOO incredibly CLUELESS! It is obvious they do not work “in the trenches” of welfare like I do. Yes, Jovi, I also do social work…and as it transitions into summer that is what I will be doing full time and I can tell you from first hand knowledge that the ONLY thing that Obama is doing for the poor is going to make it MORE difficult for them to get any kind of quality care or services. Right now, services are being cut and slashed and private charities and resources are shriveling because of this economy. I don’t know where karolyn went but she knows full well herself how “aid to the poor and “disadvantaged” is evaporating…and that is all thanks to OBAMA…Clueless dolts!

      • DaveH

        Notice that Carol said “No, I’m not black…”.
        What has that got to do with anything? It sounds like a racist remark to me.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        What BS are you wallowing in.
        Who is stopping you from going to a doctor? If you can’t afford one,go to any hospital’s ER, they have no choice but to see everybody who walks in.Go to any Medical School clinics, future doctors need patients to study on.
        If any of the posters make money it is none of your business how much.

    • JC

      Carol says:
      May 20, 2011 at 8:56 am
      I have a question. Exactly what “proof” would you (and the “Birther Movement people” accept, to shut up and go away. I suspect “none” would be the answer.
      __________________________________________________________________

      How about any proof at all? Because “none” is all we’ve seen so far.
      The Anti American son of Africa is a Communist Imposter and should be catapulted from the White House.

  • http://n/a Anna M

    WHAT IS WRONG WITH US! WHAT IS WRONG WITH IMPEACHMENT? With this story just putting the frosting on the cake (as in Obama’s handling/dictating of what Israel must do), Impeachment is more than justified. In fact, IT IS OUR DUTY!!

    • The7hson

      Anna,
      Do you fully understand impeachment? In order to impeach Obama a few things are needed that just aren’t there.

      1. Evidence of high crimes or misdemeanors.

      2. A House of Representatives that has the will to impeach (I seriously doubt that the current House has the stones).

      3. A Senate willing to convict (being run by the Democrats, that AIN’T HAPPENING!)

      4. Time (any impeachment proceeding – even if fast-tracked – would take more time than that mook has left in office).

      Absent any one of these factors, impeachment would be an expensive and distracting waste of time and resources.

      People posting on these boards need to think before they type.

      • Wayne937

        I will never believe that Obama is qualified to serve as presiddent until, as I explained below, that his original birth certificate be given to an independent labe to analyze the ink on the original. This can be done, you know. If this would happen, then I would be fully convinced. Even before the current governor of Hawaii got elected to office, he had already make the statement that he was going to prove that Obama had a birth certificate and was serving lawfully. Shouldn’t Obama have done this? Why should the governmor have to do Obama’s job? Maybe this is my investigative skills coming out as that was the type of work I was involved with. To me, something is amiss here.

    • skippy

      I have to agree with you girl!!

    • Wayne937

      We don’t have enough people in Congress that has the guts to go anything about this injustice, Anna M. This is plain and simple. We need Congress to do what it right. Since they are not we should remove those, mostly Democrats, from office in 2012.

    • FredGF

      Are you sure you want Biden for President? What would be the difference between the two?

      • Dan az

        coke versus bourbon.

  • Jeryl

    As a former soldier, I can tell you that military justice is normally pretty even-handed, except for such cases. Colonel Lakin made the mistake of believing that he would get a fair shake in such a case. The fix was in from the first. I don’t mean to sound cynical, but he should have known that from the start. The military, on a unit level, is very conservative. However, in the higher echelons, it is overtly political – always has been and always will be. He had no chance from the first, I’m sad to say.

  • Wayne937

    I feel some what like Louie does. How can something like this ever happen to a good military man like Colonel Laken. I will try to explain how I feel. This undoubtedly is one of the worse miscarriage of justice I have ever seen. Take a good man like Colonel Lakin and do this to him is, well, I can’t find a good decent word to define it so I’ll leave well enough alone. He served honorable in the military for all those years and to have this happen. Bob, I don’t know what can be done, but I feel every voter in this country should be made aware of this injustice, some how. We know that the Liberal ABC, NBC, CBS and the rest of the Liberal Bias stations will not report on this. They only want to protect the Liberal Idiot that they had worked so hard to put in office. I hope and pray that there is some one out there will make this public. Like I said every voter should have a chance to make up their own mind on this matter. My prayers go out to Colonel Lakin and his family.

  • Macawma

    OK, folks, let’s have at least enough respect for this American hero to get his name right! It is Lakin, not Larkin. And the whole principal of how he was treated by this corrupt administration is appalling. Obama could have at least produced a long form at the beginning of all this mess, fake or not, and this man would not have been imprisoned. The fact that our president would allow an honored soldier to be imprisoned because of his “secrecy” is disgusting. I am so afraid this 2$#%*^&* will be re-elected by the mindless masses…

    • Jovianus

      Let’s settle one thing..a soldier who wilfully disbeys an order based on a plitical issue which is far removed from his immediate circumstances is not a hero. Whatever his bravery shown when lead is flying, he is not a hero. To show any respect for this guy for disobeying that order is to do a huge disservice to our country, our rule by citizenry, and our US military men and women.

      If you show “respect” for this idiot for his wilfull disobeyance, what are you saying to those who do obey orders and who recognize the birther issue is a civilian issue, not a military one? You just dissed ‘em. That’s what you are telling them.

      • JC

        Lets settle one other thing…Jovi and its 5 other personalities are still statist idiots with no mind of their own.

      • Dan az

        JC
        Did you notice the misspelling to?This one is flash, know O’s is flashes problem.

      • DaveH

        Jovianus is just doing his usual supporting of the Political Class (of which he is most likely one).

      • azwayne

        We’ve settled it already, what’s your problem? When ANUS types skip it. There are some things worth reading, NOT ANUS.

      • Al Sieber

        You’re right azwayne, let’s boycott his posts, or ignore his ignorance.

  • Deltaknight67

    You all don’t even want me to place my Opinion about this piece of trash now in the white House.Our country is in real trouble people.
    Delta

    “We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution.”
    ~Abraham Lincoln~

    Callin All The Clans Together
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lgbVYbc7-Y

    • DaveH

      It’s ironic that you post such a quote, since the man who made that statement was just another double-speaking politician who did more to subvert the intent of the Constitution than any other President.

      Read the book “Lincoln Unmasked” by Thomas DiLorenzo to learn the truth about “honest abe”, who was anything but honest.

      http://mises.org/store/Lincoln-Unmasked-P324.aspx

    • Jovianus

      Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Abraham Lincoln (1864)

  • Billy G

    Apparently disobeying an order is the crime a serviceman cannot commit under any circumstance. If he was ordered to commit some type of crime he has no choice but to follow orders. Seems a bit one sided but as stated it is the Army. It is a shame that the military is treated like indentured servants but this is what you get when you volunteer. You loose your rights! Isn’t America great?

    • The7hson

      Billy,Billy,Billy…what can we do?

      You, obviously, don’t have the first clue what you’re talking about.

      “Apparently disobeying an order is the crime a serviceman cannot commit under any circumstance. If he was ordered to commit some type of crime he has no choice but to follow orders”

      WRONG! Military personell are required to DISOBEY an order to “commit some type of crime”…that is called an “unlawful order”.

      As for military being treated like indentured servants, we’re not, we’re government property – and we understand that from day one. Perhaps you’d understand that if you served.

      For crying out loud people, let’s think before we type.

      By the way, Billy, two tips for you:

      1. When you say “You loose your rights!”, remember, there is only one “o” in the word “lose”.

      2. When your IQ gets up to 85…SELL!

      • DaveH

        They also swear to obey and protect the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. How high must one’s IQ be to figure that one out?

      • DaveH

        It’s time for the people in this country to wake up and figure out that since Lincoln’s days the leaders of this country have systematically subverted the Constitution to build their Power for their own self-interests. Jefferson warned about the inclination for Government to grow, and liberty to yield. But we apathetically ignored the warnings.
        Both the Welfare Statists, and the Military Statists, have been busily trampling the Constitution for their own self-aggrandizement. It is something Leaders have done throughout history — feather their own nests at the expense of the citizens.

        Let’s break the mold, and get this country back to the kind of Constitutionally limited Federal Government, and Liberty that our Founders (Jefferson, Madison, Washington, etc.) envisioned for us.
        Quit being led around by noses by self-interested Politicians. Put people in office who know that the only road to Prosperity and Peace is a Limited Government, whose only purpose should be to protect people from the force of others. Instead our Government has assumed the role of the Forcers.

        For Individual Liberty, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, Limited Government, and PEACE — Vote Libertarian!
        http://www.lp.org/platform

      • smilee

        i;d forgotten you were a Lincoln hater too!! LOL

      • DaveH

        Read the book, Smilee. Learn something. That is, if you want to learn.
        Lincoln thought your people should leave the country. And he didn’t want them in the yet-created Western States either. He played his followers like a fiddle, just like the Liberal leaders are playing you.
        http://mises.org/store/Lincoln-Unmasked-P324.aspx

      • DaveH

        By the way, Smilee, I was brainwashed too by the Government schools. The truth will set you free.

  • http://www.diyyardandhome.com Dan

    It’s not a surprise what has happened. Unlike most officers who attend West Point, Army Lawyers and Judges do not. They are a product of liberal schools and it appears their politics have bled into the Army.

  • David Warheit

    He was given a lawful order to report to his next assignment but he failed to do so. This is desertion, for which he was lawfully tried and convicted. What was the defense that he was not allowed to present? There is no lawful government of the United States, so therefore the order wasn’t lawful. Even Lakin himself admits “he then did something he later admitted might not have been the smartest decision he ever made: He declined to go.” I hope that he now realizes that the order was lawful. He should be very grateful that he was treated with kid gloves: only six months in the slammer instead of 5 years.

    Bottom line: good riddance to a coward who refused a combat assignment.

    • DaveH

      Good riddance to a coward? Dream on. This man stood against the most powerful organization on this earth for his Principles.
      Something I doubt you would ever dream of, David. If you even have any Principles.
      If only we had more honorable men like Larkin in this country.
      Instead we have a country full of these kind of people:
      http://mises.org/daily/4125

      • bob wire

        What a crock! principals! my a$$.

        sounds like a choir boy in the wrong outfit.

      • JC

        principals require thought, morality and conscience.
        ergo: you are not qualified to comment.

      • DaveH

        Principles, Bob, not “principals”. No wonder you have none, you’ve been rebelling against Principals since you’ve been in High School.

    • fixyourself

      Stop showing the same bad judgement the officer did, David.

      The decorated doctor was neither an idiot, nor a coward. He made an impassioned stand on a losing issue.

      His conviction of the crime he committed was just. Passions on both sides distort the observers view of facts….. try to remember that, and you will know yourself better.

    • JC

      David Warheit says:

      May 20, 2011 at 7:33 am

      He was given a lawful order to report to his next assignment but he failed to do so. This is desertion, for which he was lawfully tried and convicted.
      _________________________________________________________________

      He diosobeyed an immoral order from an illegal President.
      You should have such courage…but you don’t.

      • bob wire

        JC you are just showing everyone here what a ditts you are. ~

        There is no room for debate on this one and that you seem to think that there might be, just show us how flawed your thinking process has became in your zeal to diminish and debase a sitting president.

        That is a lot to being a Soldiers and this determination to carry out an order is just one reason why we hold them in high regard.

      • JC

        I see you are resorting to that tired old game of support the troops must mean supporting the war…
        two different things my brainwashed little friend.
        I hold the troops in the highest esteem…but not illegal wars under an illegal Kenyan.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JC
        AMEN!!! Even even dip$hit Bush consulted congress!!! Brokeback nobummer didn’t bother because he thinks he RULES and is above the system!!!

    • Richard Pawley

      You apparently did not read all the article before commenting on it. Col. Lakin had already served in Afghanistan once, and many other places with distinction and honor. He is anything but a coward. Honor is something one has within oneself. It does not depend on what goes on around you. He admits he made a bad decision. If you have never made one you are indeed blessed. I knew someone who served three tours is Vietnam and he resigned after 18 years, also losing his pension, but not going to jail. He told me that he felt he would not survive another tour there. This has nothing to do with this case but I just thought of it for the first time in decades.
      We all have many decisions to make in life and Lt. Col. Lakin admits he did not make the best one here. I thought so at the time and said a pray for him. Had he been a Christian (as in the 106 page classic Christian paperback PRISON TO PRAISE by another Lt. Col. (Merlin Carothers) who went to jail before becoming a Lt. Col. he could have prayed for direction and guidance and likely would have decided differently). Lakin’s loss of pension will not be so much in a few years because the policies of our current president and the 110th and 111th Congress are going to assure than no one’s pension is going to be worth much before this decade is over, and some say sooner than that. While I am not as convinced of this birther business as was Lakin I am as convinced that we are going to have at least 250% inflation before this show is over. Count on it, though I don’t know how long this will take.
      Personally, I never questioned Obama’s birth certificate, figuring that if something was amiss the Clinton’s would have found out when Obama was running for president. However, the president’s sudden releasing of the long form after two years and the great expense he went to not release it struck me as quite odd. I saw nothing in it that looked worth hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep secret, so it seemed totally illogical that he would suddenly release it just because Donald Trump was making a big deal out of it.
      A reader sent me the following web site which goes into more detail than the one given above: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY&feature=player_embedded
      This stuff is a bit over my head but I asked the opinion of someone whose livelihood is computers and he told me the following: “I’ve not downloaded the pdf and attempted to duplicate the process as I don’t have Adobe Illustrator software, but the technique used in the video is accurate and follows what Adobe Illustrator is capable of doing. I read about the layers feature directly from the Adobe web site and it follows what the video shows. IN MY OPINION, THE VIDEO IS CREDITABLE.”
      My friend also said: “When you download a copy of a pdf, it carries all the original attributes. If you print a downloaded pdf document onto paper and then scan the paper to a new pdf, the new pdf is flat – there’s nothing to decompress but the original layer. The process in the video is accurate. AutoCAD, Visio, and all graphic applications I’ve used incorporate layers. What you can also see is the lighter areas (pixel dithering) around the ink (wet) signatures compared to little or no diminished pixels around the darker letters that have been assembled by adding black pixel blocks to form the last name after the capital “D”. These areas do not match the surrounding wet signature against the security paper design in the background. It is extremely difficult if not impossible to duplicate or match ink pixel dithering separation around added layers (especially on safety paper). A graphic artist proficient in document enhancement would have performed the changes, printed the changed document and then scan it to produce a new pdf that would show one single flat layer without any additional layers if the document was decompressed. Whoever suggested the birth certificate could be altered without detection was extremely ignorant of document layer assembly and decompression techniques. To add insult to injury (or down right stupidity), the white house web page administrator failed to lock down the posted pdf with “view only” attribute to prevent downloads of an open file that could be decompressed.”
      This would all be of more importance to those who understand it better than I. However, I am left to wonder, “What is the truth?”. I know the CIA is far to smart to make a mistake like this but the amateurs that the president has surrounded himself with are not. Still it is more likely that someone planned this ‘mistake’ than that it was a mistake. But why? I can only think of one reason. To keep those who should be more concerned with what the czars, and the bureaucrats, and the Congress, and the FED, and even the president himself, are doing, then to waste more time on this. Someday the truth will come to light. It always does, but if we don’t get involved and be about what is going on here and now this won’t be of any value in a few years. There are those who do not believe our nation can survive another 20 years. If we don’t get the spending under control they are probably right. I recall selling newspapers for 5 cents and getting to keep 2 cents when I was a kid, and now a paper costs 20 to 30 times that. Consequently we will still likely be able to muddle through when a newspaper is $4 and gasoline and milk is $10 a gallon (which by the way is the title of Chapter 4 of my last book). Still, this is going to cause a lot of suffering and hardship, and it would be unnecessary if we could get responsible leadership from the Tea Party. It is obvious that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are willing to do what is necessary to stop this from happening, although there are a few of both parties who would be willing to do so, but don’t wish to risk their careers as did Colonel Lakin for what they believe is right.
      Phony or not, if the president had released this long form birth certificate years ago, this man’s career would not have been ruined but the Marxists in Washington do not believe in the individual or in the rule of law. The seem to care only for the masses, a far cry from the America of old. Even some who purport to be Christian believe in a perverted form of Christianity where only the “collective” counts, not the individual. I don’t know the answer to all this, but I do believe that those who believe in a God who answers prayer need to pray like the life of the country depended on it, because it just might. May God help us because no one else is going to do so. Dum spiro spero!

      • Dan az

        Great post as usual Righard put could you explain what(Dum spiro spero!)means?I just don’t get it!Thanks

      • Carlucci

        Dum spiro spero means “While I breathe, I hope” in Latin. According to Google, it is a very popular tattoo right now.

      • Dan az

        Thanks Carlucci!

      • bob wire

        What anyone’s retirement, where they might get it or not, present or future inflation, is very much a side issue here. a that purely horse manure commontary ~ The birther issue should be, ~ but I feel generous enough to considered it only to open the door to allow it to stand on it’s own merits.

        ~ It is void of merit! void of substance, void of fact, yet Lt. Col. Terry Lakin acted on it and paid the price for his poor judgment. We don’t want or need such a soldier in uniform representing the Arm Forces. If there be more of them that harbor such “feeling”, step froward and we can sent you home.

        I would enjoy seeing the rest of you enjoy the rewards of your decisions as well. Kate ! how about some time out? JC?, Dave,? Jeff? , Robin? People like you lead this weak mind astray.

        Now as to why 44′s records were sealed and many facts and data not available to public domain. If you would investigate this behavior you will discover 43 did the same thing and for much the same reasons. As I understand it, all modern president now do this as a precaution to people that enjoy smoke and mirrors and general tom foolery

        as to why? I don’t see that you need or deserve a reason, that the state normally does not release this long form for obvious reasons that you so clearly brought forward, tampering and Tom foolery

        Only was this document released at the Presidents lawyers request with the hopes it might offer some conclusion, people would leave the state alone ~ being very tired of the traffic and work load the “controversy” has generated.

        I don’t expect any of you birthers to accept any responsibility for this man behavior. But he has, which is more then can be said for you.

        Just became a few thousand people are going nuts and acting a fool doesn’t not require acting or comment from the rest of us.

        That some “attention whore” pushed the issue and the media went into a frenzies, while selling, soap, automobiles, insurance, and investment managing and completely drowned out the serious issues government was attempting to address for 6 news cycles, you forced the President hand.

        Obama had had enough and gave you the attention all of you crazy’s asked for and Trump got a smack down b1tch slapping in the process. He clamored for it ~ and he and you all got what you asked for.

        oh! and Richard, nice posting.

  • bob wire

    A soldiers purpose IS NOT to wonder why, but to do or die.

    No army on earth can do it’s job with such a soldier.

    It’s a simple life, you know what you are going to eat (if you are luck) and what you are going to wear and who you are to serve.

    There is only one thing that you can’t do and that’s not do what you are told.

    6 months confinement was light.

    The military is no place for free agents.

    • DaveH

      Do they or do they not swear an oath to obey and protect the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic?
      Are they or are they not involved in an illegal war in Libya?

      • bob wire

        There is no place for “Blue Sky” and “Loose Canons” in the military Dave. ~ It’s black or it’s white. ~ anything outside those two colors is beyond a E 7 or Colonels pay grade and they need defer it to a JAG officer.

        The military does the best they can to make a soldiers life simple and his purpose crystal clear. There is little room offered or permitted for question. It’s do or do not. It can be a good and very rewarding life for as long as “any life” might last. A solider ‘should” knows this when signing up and taking the oath, he’s has abridged his constitution freedom and liberty for a different life, one of a soldier deffer notion of honor , loyalty, and morality to system that employs and depend on a chain of command.

      • DaveH

        Don’t dance around the issue, Bob. They swear to uphold the Constitution. That overrides all else.

      • bob wire

        and don’t act thick! That’s an attorney’s job when and if in question or doubt! I’m left to believe this soldier opted to carry it that far and enjoyed the fruits of all his efforts.

        End of story !

        If it was up to men like myself (combat vets) , he’d still be in the brig today. Good riddance, the armed forces is no place for Junior Officers ( anything below a Full Bird ) or quarter master personal to think they are attorneys that wish to interpret constitutional law and can disobey lawful orders without serious consequences.

      • JC

        And dance around the issue is exactly what he did Dave.
        Typical Liberal BS.

      • DaveH

        Bob, I rarely try to dicipher your obtuse statements.

      • bob wire

        No , I don’t think that you do get it ~ JC, there is no issue. That is simply some manifestation of a civilian mind that you are privileged too entertain that comes at the expense, blood and sweat and committed of men and women who serve in our military.

      • JC

        Again…what are you going on about bob?
        do you think that YOU can tell me something about being an American?
        LMAO :) C’mon bob…you’re a communist! LOL

      • http://?? Joe H.

        bob,
        If you served like you say, then you KNOW there is a clause in the UCMJ that not only permits them to question what they believe to be an unlawful or unconstitutional order it REQUIRES them to!!! If they are charged for it, they have the right to present any and ALL evidence pertaining to their charges! In this case he was not allowed to speak on his beliefs which were pertinent to his case!!

      • Ken

        Bob could use a good dose of Oath Keepers.

      • azwayne

        We swore our oath to uphold the constitution of the united states, not to the illegal usurper in the white house. Our founders knew this could happen, they approved a 100% foolproof document for the United States to survive on. When the illegal commander in chief is approved by such an incompetent congress and has in position such disgusting leaders of our military, I am glad to see someone with brains and gumption challenge and attempt to wake up what’s left of America. Dodson go with ANUS to the play room you’ve been found out, come on admit,Carney’s white house propaganda room, move on toll network, you don’t make asses of yourselves for nothing, do you, or maybe this ic college assignment, High school?

    • NotBlind

      bob wire, if you are suggesting that those in the military check their common sense and free will to think for themselves (thus, the ability to know right from wrong)at the door when they sign up, then we may all be in a world of hurt when Obama decides to declare the military is under his control and turns the men (and women?)in his private military against us.

      • bob wire

        I suggesting that you have a military career and everything that goes with one or you don’t.

        It’s not complicated. ~ It’s in or out ! with no middle ground to stand.

        otherwise, ~ leaving anyone to take their free thinking, personal liberty ass down the highway.

        It’s lead, follow or get to f&?ck out of the way with some snap in deliberate fashion.

      • libertytrain

        you are correct to some extent but we still have to be mindful of the My Lai type situations. Orders are not always lawful orders. And the person expecting our loyalty is not always lawful or worthy.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        bob,
        you keep up the same mantra and what you say is VERY important under combat conditions WHEN you are in the AO!!! The good Col. was not yet in said AO and therefor your ideas have no standing!!

      • texastwin827

        If that time comes, he may find that some (many) of those well trained, combat experienced military men/women will NOT follow his orders. My youngest daughter has many Marine & Army friends (from school days) who have already done 3-4 tours in Iraq/Afghanistan and the majority of them say “we don’t belong there”. They also seem to have little respect for our President.

        So while these One World Elitists (both parties) may have dreams of controlling (aka enslaving) the US citizen, someday, they may have created the very force that will be their undoing…experienced combat veterans who will defend their country & Constitution, above all enemies, both foreign & domestic.

      • Wayne937

        texastwin827, knowing how the military feels toward Obama he will most likely see to it that they don’t get to vote, or their votes will not be counted. This is what happened during the 2008 election. I don’t think a lot of military men and women have much respect for Obama. It is only fools who respect this man.

      • bob wire

        Soldiers are not there for the purpose of their “feeling”.

        Now I admit, today ~ it is sad ~ that a dreadful economy starting as early as 2004 allowed some people with less marketable skill to enlist in military service finding gainful employment scarce and they truly having little stomach for the hardship or the oath they took.

        You people seem to believe soldier are entitled broad options once they have committed to serve? This is just not the way it works if you seek an Honorable Discharge.

        And you claim to be conservatives? committed to anything besides yourselves?

        It clear you know little of the military , so why bother trying whine your way into the discussion?

      • JC

        You people seem to believe soldier are entitled broad options once they have committed to serve? This is just not the way it works if you seek an Honorable Discharge.
        ________________________________________________________________

        “Broad Options”? hardly…that’s just you doing what Libtards do…exaggerating.

      • Ken

        Big Sis Napolitano at DHS agrees with you.

  • http://GOOGLE SUNBUM

    THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ARTICLE, HOWEVER; I BELIEVE, IT NEEDS YOUR ATTENTION.

    MANY PLACES WILL NOT ALLOW ALL CAPS -
    I USE ALL CAPS, NOT BECAUSE I AM ANGRY, BUT; BECAUSE IT IS EASIER FOR ME ! I AM ONLY A 77 YR OLD HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUT, TYPING WITH 2 FINGERS, WITHOUT SPELL CHECK I’D BE LOST. I MAY BE UNEDUCATED – BUT, I AM NOT STUPID.

    LOOKS TO ME, LIKE BOB LIVINGSTON, AND STANSBERRY ASSOCIATES, MAY BE PART OF OUR PROBLEM, AND NOT THE SOLUTION. I JUST RECEIVED AN EMAIL TODAY, ONE OF MANY. I REFER TO THE SALES PITCH BY STANSBERRY, SAYING HOW WE CAN LEGALLY COLLECT AN EXTRA $34’000, THROUGH SOME LOOPHOLE THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO SELL YOU ??
    I’VE RECEIVED THESE ADDS BEFORE AND IT INVOLVED ME COLLECTING EXTRA MONEY FROM SOC. SEC. IT WAS ALSO DEEMED TO BE LEGAL – BUT – IS IT ETHICAL ?? I DON’T KNOW ANY THING ELSE ABOUT IT, BECAUSE; I AM NOT GOING TO BE SCAMMED OUT OF EXTRA MONEY TO CHECK ON SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT LOOK PROPER TO ME. IT’S BAD ENOUGH OBAMA IS BANKRUPTING THIS COUNTRY; I DON’T INTEND TO HELP HIM.

    • bob wire

      Does your mouse have a ‘wheel” on it ? ~ If it doesn’t, you need to get one that does.

      On your key board at the far left bottom ~ there is a key marked “Ctrl”. If you press down this key and turn the thumb wheel on your mouse at the same time it enlarges the screen display to any sized that you find comfortable to see. Your sight problem solved!

      These skills are for you to master and everyone starts at someplace knowing little. ~ Welcome! and enjoy the learning and sharing process the forum experience offers.

      However, if you wish to do this it’s best to not dip your hands in the punch bowel or fart loud in mix company if you expect to “blend” in.

      • mickey

        Thank you. I didn’t know this. I too have a hard time reading posts in a smaller font. This has been such a big help to me.

      • texastwin827

        Mickey, you can also go up to the menu icons (where it says File, Edit, VIEW, etc) and select view, then check to see if your version has Zoom or Text Size. If it does, Zoom is what I usually pick to select and then pick whatever % increase you need (i.e. 125%, 150% etc)

      • Wayne937

        Bob, I am sorry but that does not work in all cases. It may be because I get this personalliberty notification in my e-mail, and I click the link to bring me here. It may work if I would use IE. Thanks.

      • Dan az

        Bob Wire
        That was a good one.lol!

    • DaveH

      The solution is simple, Sunbum. Use your Browser menu to enlarge your text size.
      Meanwhile, if you want people to read your comments, you should use lowercase letters.

      • texastwin827

        DaveH…at 77 yrs old, he can use ANY size case he wants! He’s already explained why, so to continue to insist he “conform” is not only ridiculous but also rude on your part.

      • DaveH

        I didn’t insist he use anything. Read the comment, Texas. And you are being rude to call me rude for trying to help the guy. Dork.

      • Carlucci

        Chill, texastwin. DaveH was only trying to be helpful.

    • Blueshoes

      Sunbum,

      Here are a couple more tips:

      If you’re using “Mozilla – Firefox” Internet Browser, hold down the “Ctrl” key and depress the (+) or (-) key to zoom in or out and the (zero) key to restore to normal.

      If you’re using “Microsoft – Internet Explorer” Browser, it’s the same as above but restore is the (*) key. There is also another way. In the Internet Explorer window, at the lower (bottom) right corner you can select the zoom level.

  • Art

    But the question remains. Was it a lawful order?

    • Mick

      Art

      The UCMJ on illegal orders

      The Uniform Code of Military Justice is more concerned about failure of military personnel to obey legitimate orders than it is about refusal to obey illegitimate orders, but it does address the subject. In Section 16c(1)(c) it provides:

      Lawfulness. A general order or regulation is lawful unless it is contrary to the Constitution, the laws of the United States, or lawful superior orders or for some other reason is beyond the authority of the official issuing it.

      And in Section 14c(2)(a)(i):

      Inference of lawfulness. A order requiring the performance of a military duty or act may be inferred to be lawful and it is disobeyed at the peril of the subordinate. This inference does not apply to a patently illegal order, such as one that directs the commission of a crime.

      These provisions allow for the disobedience of illegal orders, but such orders may themselves constitute a crime, or be part of a criminal conspiracy, either under military or civilian law. Under federal law, 18 USC 242, it is illegal for anyone under the color of law to deprive any person of the rights, privileges or immunities secured by the U.S. Constitution, and under 18 USC 241 it is illegal to conspire to violate such rights. It is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. This could be applied to military personnel who abuse the rights of citizens, either military or civilian. The UCMJ also defines an Article 134 offense: Impersonating a commissioned, warrant, noncommissioned, or petty officer, or an agent or official. This could apply to a military officer who impersonates a civilian official in an action against civilians. This includes actions taken under martial law. In RCM 202(a):

      The exercise of jurisdiction under Article 2(a)(11) in peacetime has been held unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States. Article 2(a)(10) has also been limited.

      In RCM 302(b) Who may apprehend. The following officials may apprehend any person subject to trial by court-martial:

      (1) Military law enforcement officials.

      (2) Commissioned, warrant, petty, and noncommissioned officers.

      However, anyone, including the lower enlisted grades, may apprehend for violation of civilian laws, provided it is done as an independent act of a citizen and not under orders.

      Also be aware of the Posse Comitatus Act, which forbids members of the Army and Air Force to be used for domestic law enforcement.

      The key point is this: You not only have the right to disobey an illegal order, but you may also have the duty to apprehend the parties issuing such an order if such issuance is part of the commission of a crime.

    • Wayne937

      Let me give you an extreme example. If Obama ordered you to jump over the moon, would this be an unlawful order, or an improper order???? Think about this and you will get the. In my opinion, it is asking some one to do something that is impossible to do. Maybe some one else can straighten me out on this one. Not you Jovi…

      • Hank, MO

        It would be both, unlawful and improper, Wayne937– unlawful because Obama does not hold his position legitimately and improper because the act being ordered is obviously impossible.

      • Mick

        Wayne937 says:
        May 20, 2011 at 10:14 am
        Let me give you an extreme example. If Obama ordered you to jump over the moon, would this be an unlawful order, or an improper order???? Think about this and you will get the. In my opinion, it is asking some one to do something that is impossible to do. Maybe some one else can straighten me out on this one. Not you Jovi
        *************************************
        Just posting the UCMJ regulations Wayne937.!
        Notice that I controlled copied your full post and your full name so i wouldn’t make the same mistake you made by answering to Jovi instead of Mick…

  • http://personalliberty.com Tracie Smith

    I am NOT convinced this ‘form’ IS his birth certificate. He lies about EVERYTHING else, why not this?
    Besides, I read yesterday, that the file number on obama’s ‘certificate was that of a baby girl that had died two days after birth. Can’t remember what website was, but it was very interesting reading.
    I JUST do NOT trust him(obama).

  • Former Walmart person

    Technically, if you really want to follow the letter and spirit of the law, all of us in the military could be hung as traitors (or do they do death by firing squad now – have to check the latest version of the Manual for Military Justice (MJM)). If it turns out that Barrack is not constitutionally qualified, we are all instant traitors to our country. Of course, the argument could be made that every single service man and woman who has depployed to the middle east to fight out illigitamate wars are instant traitors since CON-gress hasn’t formally declared war since World War 2. The one guy in the armed services who follows his oath and questions his command in chief gets punished when he should be the only exempt from traitor status.

    My motto is better to be a traitor to an evil system than an unquestioning Nazi.

    • DaveH

      What I’d like to know is where are the military protests to the illegal war in Libya? What have Government people come to when they swear an oath to support the Constitution, and then blatantly ignore it? Do peoples’ honor mean nothing anymore?

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Former,
      Actually Congress did give approval to go to IRAQ!!! Nobummer is the one that didn’t even call on congress to ask their opine!!!

  • Charles

    Lt. Col. Larkin, you have my support, and wish I could have been there to meet you at the airport!!! This White House breaks my heart. May G_d bless you, and in some way may G_d yet bless America!!!

  • Valerie Lacasse

    It is amazing how people can only resort to name calling . similar to some of the people they elect and when others do not use the same tatic the name calling is resorted to . Well The PRESIDENT so far has not resorted to the meaness LIKE HIM OR NOT, you may not like his platform but is the name calling necessary?

    • DaveH

      How dare we call Obama names!
      All he and his party have done is to steal the money of others including unborn children who will be on the hook for his folly even though they had no vote in the matter.
      When he couldn’t steal our money directly through such schemes as mandatory health insurance, he stole it indirectly through bailing out chosen Crony Capitalists, thus inflating our money supply and making our cash savings worth less (much less).
      He has made many false campaign promises. He has made a mockery of the Nation’s laws. He has stepped on the Constitution repeatedly.
      He has the audacity to proclaim that he speaks for Americans when he unilaterally declares that Israel should take its borders back to pre-1967 levels.
      He violates the War Powers Resolution to take arbitrary sides in the Libyan conflict.
      How dare anybody call the dictator names!

      • Carlucci

        Valerie, this blog is all about free expression of opinions, including calling anyone names. If you don’t like it go somewhere else, like HuffPo.

      • http://yahoo richard

        im glad i read your answer before i wrote anything, i was about to write a string of profanity but your answer is so much better

      • Carlucci

        richard – what a nice thing to say. Thank you.

    • Dennis Patrick

      Valerie,

      The name calling is a standard M.O. around this playground. Not just for the President but individual posters here. (Ask Jovianus – I’ve seen his/her screen name with more twists than a George W. press conference.) Dissent is not welcome. Discussion of facts? Dream on!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Yet you are still here on this site. Why?

      • Dennis Patrick

        Just trying to intervene in your oxycontin-induced hallucinations.

      • Carlucci

        Hey everybody – I think we’ve discovered yet another new member of the “Romper Room” – Dennis Patrick! Which cubicle are you sitting in Dennis? Next to jovi?

      • JC

        A 6th Libtard with the same IP address?

      • http://deleted Claire

        Hmmm.. I thought Rush was the only one that took oxycontin. I don’t see hallucinations on this blog. Maybe a bit of radicalism but thats all. And I can get radical too, especially about muslims/islams. This entire scene makes me think of this—place 5 people that breed show dogs in a room together and have them evaluate one (1) puppy. Believe me, they will all have a different opinion. This is what makes the world go around. Differences in opinion and the freedom to express them.

      • Al Sieber

        Good one Carlucci!!!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Here we go, folks!!! Dennis Patric, another lap sitter in jovi’s playground!!!!

      • JeffH

        Again the Marxist Alinskyite Dennis Patrick speaks.

        Alinsky’s tactics were based, not on Stalin’s revolutionary violence, but on the Neo-Marxist strategies of Antonio Gramsci, an Italian Communist. Relying on gradualism, infiltration and the dialectic process rather than a bloody revolution, Gramsci’s transformational Marxism was so subtle that few even noticed the deliberate changes.

        Of Means and Ends [Forget moral or ethical considerations]

        “The end is what you want, the means is how you get it. Whenever we think about social change, the question of means and ends arises. The man of action views the issue of means and ends in pragmatic and strategic terms. He has no other problem; he thinks only of his actual resources and the possibilities of various choices of action. He asks of ends only whether they are achievable and worth the cost; of means, only whether they will work. … The real arena is corrupt and bloody.”

      • Dennis Patrick

        JeffH: thank you for the thoughtful engagement. (I really mean that – I’m not being facitious.) I would rather be accused of a differing ideology than mocked for disagreeing with your views. I certainly can find a parallel path in my thinking with Gramsci’s theory on hegemony, however I reject his ideas regarding praxis and his ideas on political struggle.

      • JeffH

        DP, you’re rather obvious about it and at least you are man enough to admit it.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You don’t know what you are saying. The smarmy laugher does call people names.

    • JC

      Valerie, I will continue to feel free to call the kenyan anything BUT President for as long and as loud as I damned well please. :)

    • Wayne937

      I’ll tell you why, Valerie. People are flustrated with the illegal things this administration is doing. If we had an honest president in office we could be having a more civil discussion.

      • smilee

        WHAT A COP OUT!!

      • JC

        Tourettes?

      • http://deleted Claire

        JC– tourettes? Dang it, I can’t help it but this made me laugh.

    • ICEMAN45

      Valerie: If it walks like a duck quacks like a duck swims like a duck looks like a duck then it must be a duck.Barack Hussien Obama sounds like a muslin looks like a muslim prays like a muslim went to school as a muslim in Indonesia therefore he must be a MUSLIM a BLACK/WHITE MUSLIM who is dead set on destroying the UNITED STATES. Now he is trying to piss off Isreal and Packistan to the point that being the only NUCLEAR armed Mideast countries that they both launch nukes at the US at the same time and if Iran has hidden nukes it will join in not to mention North Korea.The United States is Obliterated while this BLACK/WHITE Muslim ASSININE IDIOT sits either in KENYA or INDONESIA and LAUGHS HIS BLACK/WHITE ASS off because he accomplished what GERMANY AND JAPAN failed to do and that is the destruction of the UNITED STATES.

      • smilee

        YOUR PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • JC

        Meds wearing off?

  • David in MA

    Larkin should team up with Judge Moore (I think that’s his name) and run for President & Vice-President and return honor to the White House.
    A judge who believes in the Ten Commandments and a questioning solder would be far far better than obozo, slick willie or any number of other scumbags.
    They would get my vote.

    • Wayne937

      Hey! why didn’t I think of this!!!! This would be a great idea. I hope Colonel is reading this blog.

  • Penny F.

    This is disgusting that Col. Lakin, a man of honor, should be treated in this mannner. A man who has given loyalty to our country, jailed because of this nasty little piece of human feces inability to be a “MAN”. He threw Israel to the wolves yesterday, may GOD have mercy on his miserable soul.

    • Mick

      Penny F. says:
      May 20, 2011 at 7:20 am
      This is disgusting that Col. Lakin, a man of honor, should be treated in this mannner. A man who has given loyalty to our country, jailed because of this nasty little piece of human feces inability to be a “MAN”. He threw Israel to the wolves yesterday, may GOD have mercy on his miserable soul.
      **********************************************
      Penny…I second that.Obama has no shame…..
      What happened to the Col. should never be permitted and what This slug is doing to Israel is beyond comprehension but he now want to bail Egypt out ?? America is sinking and he is digging a bigger hole to bury us in.
      Come on people,if you can count start adding the destructive decisions this so called president is making you may get a clue to where this will lead us………It doesn’t look good…………

      Obama: US taxpayers must bail out Egypt’s economy.
      The United States taxpayer funds 50% of the Egyptian military budget. A total of $1.5 Billion a year. Recently Saudi Arabia offered to take over this commitment just to reduce US meddling in the region. Obama refused. Now Obama is demanding that American taxpayers foot the bill for an Egyptian economic bailout.

      Obama wants a $1 Billion Egyptian economic bailout to reward the “transitional government.”

      • Dan az

        Mick I agree with you and the fact is they are the brotherhood that supports the radical hammas that supports shari law and the distruction of all infidels.If this isn’t proof of what he is trying to do I don’t know what is.

      • Mick

        Dan az says:
        May 20, 2011 at 10:37 am
        Mick I agree with you and the fact is they are the brotherhood that supports the radical hammas that supports shari law and the distruction of all infidels.If this isn’t proof of what he is trying to do I don’t know what is.
        *****************************
        Dan,,,,,,,,,,,,Obama’s speeches are printed, recorded and available to everyone but somehow many refuse to even consider that America’s best interest is threaten by this president .
        I honestly don’t know what it will take for them to see the light.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      I don’t want God to have mercy on his miserable soul.

  • Louie

    I would normally be glad to comment…but my comment on the unjustice dealt to this man…well, it’s not printable for the public to see! I’m behind you all the way Colonel…thanks for being a man…..

    • Jovianus

      Lou..so a soldier who questions an order and refuses to comply…that’s “honor” to you? First off, he disobeyed an order from a superior. Second, his reasons were based on a wacked out belief that the President never had a birth certificate…even though time and again it was known to be available and he had passed all election requirements complied with all laws and only political enemies of the furtherest spectrum of ideological imblance were claming otherwise [his refusal was based upon political reasons, nothing else. There is no place in our civilian system for ther military to get involved]. Third, it [his refusal to obey orders] had nothing to do with those orders. Fourth, They were legal orders given.

      Whatever his brave deeds were in the past, he erased all that good because he is, and probably remains, a fool. There is more to honor in a soldier than being brave when lead is flying. You do America and the US military a huge dishonor and insult giving this soldier any respect for his wilfull disobeyance of an order whatsoever.

      • Penny F.

        Your comments are exactley what followers of Hitler made “We were following orders”

      • Al Sieber

        Penny F., very, very, good Penny. that was Hitler’s Hench Men’s excuse, Jovi-anus likes to disrupt this site with his “Bull$hit”.

      • Dennis Patrick

        It is a shame that you equate the orders of the honorable men and women who are leading the United States Army with the orders of Hitler. Why do you hate our Armed Forces so much?

      • http://yahoo richard

        those orders came from the idiot you helped put in the whitehouse not from the honorable men he worked for

      • DaveH

        Leave it to a Liberal to turn this subject into “hatred” of our military personel.
        Save your manipulative Liberal tactics for sites such as DailyKos, Dennis. The people who read this site have too much intelligence to swallow your adolescent manipulative techniques.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        At least admit which side you are on.
        Most of us were military, are military, have spouses and children in the military.
        You are a very stupid accuser. Prove all that you say.

      • Al Sieber

        Hey Dennis, my granddaughter is over in Afghanistan and knows what’s happening, we don’t hate our military, where did you come up with that crap?

      • JC

        Dennis Patrick says:

        May 20, 2011 at 8:38 am

        It is a shame that you equate the orders of the honorable men and women who are leading the United States Army with the orders of Hitler. Why do you hate our Armed Forces so much?
        _____________________________________________________________________

        Wrong…we don’t “hate” our armed forces. We despise tyrants and their idiot followers. Twist that!

      • Carlucci

        Isn’t it disgusting how all of these libtards like Dennis Patrick twist things around? Whoever said that the posters on this blog hate the military? What a sick thing to say.

      • JeffH

        DP, I see you’re a well trained Alinskyite. Folks are very wise to his tactics and you would be wiser to move on, and not MoveOn.Org who may have financed your education in some way.

      • libertytrain

        I suspect he’s doing the lib game with his other teammates –

      • JeffH

        libertytrain, for sure. It kinda reminds me of “tag team” rasslin.

      • eddie47d

        Don’t worry D.P. they will totally flip sides on this issue if there was a Ronald Reagan in office. They would crucify Lakin and pound the nails in themselves.

      • DaveH

        There goes Eddie the Parrot again. He must take notes from my comments. Baaarrrrraaaaccccckkkkk! Eddie want a cracker?
        Sorry, Eddie, but I said it first, except that its the Liberals whose Principles flip-flop depending on whose in office. Even more to the point, they have none, usless relieving other people of their money has become a Principle now.

      • JC

        eddie47d says:
        May 20, 2011 at 6:13 pm
        Don’t worry D.P. they will totally flip sides on this issue if there was a Ronald Reagan in office.
        ______________________________________________________________________Ronald Reagan was an American eddie…
        but that point is probably lost on you.

      • DaveH

        Listen to Jovianus, the man who has no credibility on this board, the man who has multiple personalities, talking about honor and obeying the law.
        How many times has Jovianus stuck up for Obama’s Unconstitutional actions?
        Jovianus is just a Liberal Zealot hack whose sole purpose is to disrupt and spread his Socialist propaganda on this board.
        It’s always funny to listen to Thieving, Controlling Liberals, who have no respect for their fellow human beings’ Freedom or Property, talking about such things as honor and laws.

      • Al Sieber

        DaveH, that’s Jovi-anus for you.

      • Al Sieber

        Dave, maybe Jovi-anus is really Dennis Patrick? in drag.

      • TIME

        Al,
        Is that, D fits P or P fits D?

      • Al Sieber

        Time, it fits either way.

      • Wayne937

        Jovi, have you ever taken a course in higher mathematics? There are some things we take for granted. Do you know what axioms are? At times we have to take things for granted as there is not any proof. In case your stupid, and don’t know what axioms are, here is the definition of an axiom: A self-evident principle or one that is accepted as true without proof as the basis for argument; a postulate. Don’t go off half cocked, Jovi. If some one tells you it is a windy day outside, don’t look at them foolishly, and say, prove it. Go ahead, go on, look it up for yourself, and then you will know that not all things needs to be proved. I guess only logical minded people can understand what I am tryibng to say here, so I’ll give you a pass on this as well as a few others who post here.

      • Thamera

        haha good one Wayne937…describes Jovi to a tee.

      • texastwin827

        You obviously are not very familiar with the military to make such a stupid comment, especially since several posters have already explained it to you.

        ANY soldier (officer or enlisted) is within his rights and, in fact, is obligated, to disobey an ILLEGAL order. If it is the soldier’s belief that the President is NOT a US Citizen, thereby rendering him as ineligible to be President and Commander in Chief, he is within military guidelines (obligation) to ignore the order because legally the man would not have any authority to act as President, if he was not a US Citizen.

        As for the “Military Justice” he received…the Lt Col did NOT receive a fair trial, regardless of where it was held and who administered the trial.

        As for Soros…he is the purest form of evil and, hopefully, someday an assassin’s bullet will meet up with him.

      • Jovianus

        If Lakin had a SCOTUS decision he could have provided that stated pres. obama was not eligible for the office…he may have a case that he was not obeying a lawful order. Since no court has ruled anything other than pres. obama is eligible to occupy the position…just how can Lakin say it was an unlawful order?

      • TIME

        Jo,
        So what court has proven Barry is a citizen?

        Please do tell as we all await with baited breath for your pearls of wisdom.

        Please be sure to include the CC# as well File date. Thanks again.

      • Jovianus

        Time:

        he was certified as eligible by 50 states in their election process. He has been certified by the Electoral College. He was sworn in by the Chief Justice.

        Anyone disagrees with any or all of those may file suit challenging those decisions. To date, all have been tossed as being totally without merit. In fact, I believe several attorneys have been sanctioned for bringing frivilous suits.

      • JLC

        Jovianus — One question! Have YOU ever served in the miitary? Where and when? Correction: Two questions.

      • eddie47d

        Why is that relevant to what Mr Lakin did? He disobeyed an order and some don’t see his actions as justifiable.

      • TIME

        Manzier 47 D cup,

        Your ordered to put your head in a vise and turn the crank until your head expoldes.
        Now get to it thats a direct order from Adolf Sortoro Obama your #1 leader.

      • Buffalojohn

        It took over two years for ovomet to produce a BIRTH CERT.Some of you think that is proof enough,and that makes ovomet eligible to be POTUS.There is STILL A MATTER OF WHO HIS FATHER IS.His FATHER STILL ISN’T A U.S.CITIZEN THAT MAKES ovomet INELIGIBLE TO BE POTUS.I hope there are more people in the MILATRY WHO ARE WILLING TO DISREGUARD AN ORDER.WHAT IF OVOMET TELLS THE MILATRY TO FIRE ON CITIZENS,YOU BETTER HOPE THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO OBAY THAT ORDER.

      • smilee

        BJ

        He produced and released the one Hawaii says is their legitimate birth certificate in 2008, the one he released this year is not by law in Hawaii their legitimate copy and he had to ask for a wavier to even get a copy himself but it is not the one Hawaii by law considers the legitimate copy and if you had a Hawaii this birth certificate you could not get a passport with it only the one like the copy he released in 2008. Hawaii officials have verified his are correct and a matter of lawful record there and have said this more than once. No one with standing has challenged this in court and because of that they will never address this, further as the judges said in the ninth that the courts have no jurisdiction over this as a sitting president by the Constitution can only be removed from office by the Congress through impeachment and conviction and not by the courts. All your theories fall way short of being supported by facts and are not true

      • Dan az

        look flash or who ever you are if you where told to kill the children would you do it or disobey an illegal order?If you where ordered to rape the women then kill them would you do it?Morality is what you have to think about before you just blindly do as your told.In your case I see you are doing just that following orders with out any thought on your part.
        I left this above but I’ll provide it here for you again the facts are the facts not your twisted logic.
        The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809.ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the “lawful command of his superior officer,” 891.ART.91 (2), the “lawful order of a warrant officer”, 892.ART.92 (1) the “lawful general order”, 892.ART.92 (2) “lawful order”. In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.
        So please stop your compulsive twisting of the facts and provide us with proof of what you are saying.

      • Jovianus

        Look Dan..or whoever you are…you have a SCOTYUS decision..or any court decision…that states Pres. obama is ineligible to occupy the office? Until you have one….go play games elsewhere. You think Pres. Obama is ineligible to hold the office? File suit. See how far you get a court to agree with that insanity…

      • Dan az

        Annus
        Leave my scotyus out of this.Better?

      • Al Sieber

        Dan az, his new name is yo! anus!

      • Andrea B

        The private-sector company that our govt contracts with to vet the president stated openly that they DID NOT vet him.

        There was no reason given, only that it WAS NOT DONE.

        This info can be found in Jerome Corsi’s new book.

      • smilee

        And what private sector company is that???? Name please?? lol

      • Thamera

        Guess you should read the book smilee instead of rely on the MSM to spoon feed you.

      • smilee

        What Book?? We where talking about a company. Don’t watch that station, your sure assume a lot, maybe that is why you are in the dark so much

      • Jovianus

        Smilee…you can’t disagree with Thamera. She teaches government classes to HS students so she absolutely knows a private company vets a president before he can take office.

        By the gawds above…this one is even better than the Senate having the authority to override the Constitution!

      • Thamera

        Do you actually READ the posts that you reply to Smilee? good grief…might want to go back and read it again….

      • azwayne

        ANus, stuff it. Lakin is ten times the man you would ever be. He has gut, you hide behind stupid names. He stood up for what he believes was right, you quote idiotic phrases provided by your cult leader/.From what I can read almost everyone here knows you well.Maybe better try another name change so somebody might read first line, won’t take long. Like the gentleman above, what country would you like? You don’t fit here.

      • Jovianus

        Livingston didn’t and hasn’t manned up to his error. I can’t help that. there’;s enough proof showing he was wrong…

        Not my problem. We now know his credibility…lol. Your problem if you choose to ignore fact.

      • JeffH

        Jovi-commie, Mr. Livingston “GOTCHA”, outted you and you have the nerve to question his credibility. That coming from the lips of some faker with “ZERO” credibility is incredible. You are a faker and a “NOTHING” “NADA”.

      • DaveH

        You lie, Jovianus! As usual. Like any of us regulars would expect anything different?
        Bob Livingston has nothing to man up to, and you know it.
        People, if you’re sitting on the fence, it would behoove you to pay attention to Jovi’s comments, because this is the kind of person who wants to make your decisions for you. You may have been deluded into thinking the Leaders are special people, but I assure you, they are just like Jovianus. Nothing special, they just want to run your life.

      • eddie47d

        Dave H.: He has an opinion on issues just like you. He has never once told anyone to vote for Obama like you weekly tell people to vote for the Libertarian Party. So who is forcing their opinion on everyone else? Jovianus offers a different perspective and you go off in a tangent. It’s either your way or the highway.Some of you say you are for the Constitution and especially the 1st Amendment but continually try to shut someone out.

      • DaveH

        I’m forcing my way on you? Poor Baby. I thought you Union Thugs were tougher than that.
        Are you really that ignorant, Eddie47duh? Nobody, I repeat, Nobody can force their way on somebody else by just talking.
        It must kill you, Eddie, that you just can’t “go to da box and get da club” to use on the rest of us.

      • eddie47d

        Then stop complaining about Jovianus you whimpering crybaby!Boo Ho!

      • Hank, MO

        I’ll bet Lt. Calley wished that he’d disobeyed a few orders back in 1970 in Vietnam. Ever heard of the My Lai massacre? None of his “superiors” ever had to pay a price for their parts in that affair either, as I recall. Your idea of ‘dishonor’, JollyA$$, seems pretty distorted to me. Though you write about dishonoring the U.S. military, I’d wager you never donned a uniform nor spoke a favorable word about our military except when it might win favor for your ridiculous political opinions.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        jovi,
        I know a cobraq pilot that refused to fire his 2.75 rockets on a ville he had overflown and when the infantry walked in later and met no resistance what so ever, they found no evidence, what so ever, that there had been any cong in the ville. All they found were a few peaceful men and a whole lot of women and children!! It was later found out that the information had been wrong by about ten miles and everyone in this small ville had been giving intelligence to our troops about movements in the area, GOOD intelligence! So yes, there are times I DO most DEFINATELY call not blindly following orders being a hero!!! You sir, are a definate A$$!

  • Dennis M. Ellis

    Don’t begin reading this one until you’ve got 5 to 10 minutes to REALLY read it and to ponder what’s happening.

    THIS ONE WILL SHOCK AND FRIGHTEN YOU! IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS. PLEASE READ THIS AND FORWARD IT ON!!

    FROM STEVE KROFT (60 Minutes ONE EVIL HUMAN

    This is very interesting material. Glen Beck has been developing material to show all the ties that Soros has through the nation and world along with his goals. This article is written by Steve Kroft

    from 60 Minutes. It begins to piece together the rise of Obama and his behavior in leading the nation along with many members of Congress (in particular the Democrats, such as the election of Pelosi as the minority leader in Congress).

    Interesting read on George Soros:

    If you have wondered where Obama came from and just how he quickly moved from obscurity to President, or why the media is “selective” in what we are told, here is the man who most probably put him there and is responsible. He (SOROS) controls President Obama’s every move. Think this is absurd? Invest a few minutes and read this. You won’t regret it.

    Who is Obama? Obama is a puppet and here is the explanation of the man or demon that pulls his strings. It’s not by chance that Obama can manipulate the world. I don’t think he knows how to tie his shoe laces. After reading this and Obama’s reluctance to accept help on the oil spill you wonder if the spill is part of the plan to destroy the US?

    “In history, nothing happens by accident. If it happened, you can bet someone planned it.”/ Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    Who Is George Soros? He brought the market down in 2 days. Here is what CBS’ Mr. Steve Kroft’s research has turned up. It’s a bit of a read, and it took 4 months to put it together. “The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.

    “George Soros”
    George Soros is an evil man. He’s anti-God, anti-Christian, anti-family, anti-American, and anti-good.” He killed and robbed his own Jewish people. What we have in Soros, is a multi-billionaire atheist, with skewed moral values, and a sociopath’s lack of conscience. He considers himself to be an elitist World class philosopher, despises the American way, and just loves to do social engineering and change cultures.

    György Schwartz, better known to the world as George Soros, was born August 12, 1930 in Hungary. Soros’ father, Tivadar, was a fervent practitioner of the Esperanto language invented in 1887, and designed to be the first global language, free of any national identity. The Schwartz’s, who were non-practicing Jews, changed the family name to Soros, in order to facilitate assimilation into the Gentile population, as the Nazis spread into Hungary during the 1930s.

    When Hitler’s henchman Adolf Eichmann arrived in Hungary, to oversee the murder of that country’s Jews, George Soros ended up with a man whose job was confiscating property from the Jewish population. Soros went with him on his rounds.

    Soros has repeatedly called 1944 “the best year of his life.” 70% of Mr. Soros’s fellow Jews in Hungary, nearly a half-million human beings, were annihilated in that year, yet he gives no sign that this put any damper on his elation, either at the time or indeed in retrospect” During an interview with “Sixty Minute’s” Steve Kroft, Soros was asked about his “best year.”

    KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

    SOROS: Yes. Yes.

    KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from your fellow Jews, friends and neighbors.

    SOROS: Yes. That’s right. Yes.

    KROFT: I mean, that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many, years. Was it difficult?

    SOROS: No, not at all. Not at all, I rather enjoyed it.

    KROFT: No feelings of guilt?

    SOROS: No, only feelings of absolute power.

    In his article, Muravchik describes how Soros has admitted to having carried some rather “potent messianic fantasies with me from childhood, which I felt I had to control, otherwise they might get me in trouble.” Be that as it may. After WWII, Soros attended the London School of Economics, where he fell under the thrall of fellow atheist and Hungarian, Karl Popper, one of his professors. Popper was a mentor to Soros until Popper’s death in 1994.

    Two of Popper’s most influential teachings concerned “the open society,” and Fallibilism. Fallibilism is the philosophical doctrine that all claims of knowledge could, in principle, be mistaken.(Then again, I could be wrong about that.)The “open society” basically refers to a “test and evaluate” approach to social engineering. Regarding “open society” Roy Childs writes, “Since the Second World War, most of the Western democracies have followed Popper’s advice
    about piecemeal social engineering and democratic social reform, and it has gotten them into a grand mess.”

    In 1956 Soros moved to New York City, where he worked on Wall Street, and started amassing his fortune. He specialized in hedge funds and currency speculation. Soros is absolutely ruthless, amoral, and clever in his business dealings, and quickly made his fortune. By the 1980s he was well on his way to becoming the global powerhouse that he is today.

    In an article Kyle-Anne Shiver wrote for ” The American Thinker ” she says, “Soros made his first billion in 1992 by shorting the British pound with leveraged billions in financial bets, and became known as the man who broke the Bank of England. He broke it on the backs of hard-working British citizens who immediately saw their homes severely devalued and their life savings cut drastically, almost overnight.”

    In 1994 Soros crowed in ” The New Republic ,” that “the former Soviet Empire is now called the Soros Empire.” The Russia-gate scandal in 1999, which almost collapsed the Russian economy, was labeled by Rep. Jim Leach, then head of the House Banking Committee, to be “one of the greatest social robberies in human history.

    “The “Soros Empire” indeed. In 1997 Soros almost destroyed the economies of Thailand and Malaysia. At the time, Malaysia’s Prime Minister, Mahathir Mohammad, called Soros “a villain, and a moron.” Thai activist Weng Tojirakarn said, “We regard George Soros as a kind of Dracula.

    He sucks the blood from the people.”

    The website Greek National Pride reports, “Soros was part of the full court press that dismantled Yugoslavia and caused trouble in Georgia, Ukraine and Myanmar [Burma]. Calling himself a philanthropist, Soros’ role is to tighten the ideological stranglehold of globalization and the New World Order while promoting his own financial gain. He is without conscience; a capitalist who functions with absolute amorality.”

    France has upheld an earlier conviction against Soros, for felony insider trading. Soros was fined 2.9 million dollars. Recently, his native Hungary fined Soros 2.2 million dollars for “illegal market manipulation.” Elizabeth Crum writes that the Hungarian economy has been in a state of transition as the country seeks to become more financially stable and westernized.

    Soros deliberately driving down the share price of its largest bank put Hungary’s economy into a wicked tailspin, one from which it is still trying to recover.

    My point here is that Soros is a planetary parasite. His grasp, greed, and gluttony have a global reach. But what about America? Soros told Australia’s national newspaper ” The Australian.”
    ” America, as the centre of the globalised financial markets, was sucking up the savings of the world. This is now over. The game is out,” he said, adding that the time has come for “a very serious adjustment” in American’s consumption habits. He implied that he was the one with the power to bring this about.”

    Soros: “World financial crisis was “stimulating” and “in a way, the culmination of my life’s work.”

    Obama has recently promised 10 billion of our tax dollars to Brazil, in order to give them a leg-up in expanding their offshore oil fields. Obama’s largesse towards Brazil came shortly after his political financial backer, George Soros, invested heavily in Brazilian oil (Pet rob ras).

    Tait Trussel writes, “The Pet rob ras loan may be a windfall for Soros and Brazil, but it is a bad deal for the U. S. The American Petroleum Institute estimates that oil exploration in the U S
    could create 160,000 new, well-paying jobs, as well as $1.7 trillion in revenues to federal, state, and local governments, all while fostering greater energy security and independence.”

    A blog you might want to keep an eye on is SorosWatch.com. Their mission: “This blog is dedicated to all who have suffered due to the ruthless financial pursuits of George Soros. Your stories are many and varied, but the theme is the same: the destructive power of greed without conscience. We pledge to tirelessly watch Soros wherever he goes and to print the truth in the hope that he will one day be made to stop preying upon the world’s poor, that justice will be served.”

    Back to America. Soros has been actively working to destroy America from the inside out for some years now. People have been warning us. Two years ago, news sources reported that “Soros [is] an extremist who wants open borders, a one-world foreign policy, legalized drugs,
    euthanasia, and on and on. This is off-the-chart dangerous.” In 1997 Rachel Ehrenfeld wrote, “Soros uses his philanthropy to change or more accurately deconstruct the moral values and attitudes of the Western world, and particularly of the American people. His “open society” is not about freedom; it is about license. His vision rejects the notion of ordered liberty, in favor of a PROGRESSIVE ideology of rights and entitlements.”

    Perhaps the most important of these “whistle blowers” are David Horowitz and Richard Poe. Their book “The Shadow Party” outlines in detail how Soros hijacked the Democratic Party, and now owns it lock, stock, and barrel. Soros has been packing the Democratic Party with
    radicals, and ousting moderate Democrats for years. The Shadow Party became the Shadow Government, which recently became the Obama Administration.

    Discover The Networks. org (another good source) writes, “By his [Soros'] own admission, he helped engineer coups in Slovakia, Croatia, Georgia, and Yugoslavia. When Soros targets a country for “regime change,” he begins by creating a shadow government, a fully formed government-in-exile, ready to assume power when the opportunity arises. The Shadow Party he has built in America greatly resembles those he has created in other countries prior to instigating a coup.”

    November 2008 edition of the German magazine ” Der Spiegel ,” in which Soros gives his opinion on what the next POTUS (President of the U. S. )should do after taking office. “I think we need a large stimulus package.” Soros thought that around 600 billion would be about right.

    Soros also said that “I think Obama presents us a great opportunity to finally deal with global warming and energy dependence. The U. S. needs a cap and trade system with auctioning of licenses for emissions rights.”

    Although Soros doesn’t (yet)own the Republican Party, like he does the Democrats, make no mistake, his tentacles are spread throughout the Republican Party as well. Soros is a partner in the Carlyle Group where he has invested more than 100 million dollars. According to an article by “The Baltimore Chronicle’s” Alice Cherbonnier, the Carlye Group is run by “a veritable who’s who of former Republican leaders,” from CIA man Frank Carlucci, to CIA head and ex-President George Bush, Sr.

    In late 2006, Soros bought about 2 million shares of Halliburton, Dick Cheney’s old stomping grounds. When the Democrats and Republicans held their conventions in 2000, Soros held Shadow Party conventions in the same cities, at the same time. In 2008, Soros donated $5,000,000,000 (that’s Five Billion) to the Democratic National Committee, DNC, to insure Obama’s win and wins for many other Alinsky trained Radical Rules Anti-American Socialist.

    George has been contributing a $ billion plus to the DNC since Clinton came on the scene.

    Soros has dirtied both sides of the aisle, trust me. And if that weren’t bad enough, he has long held connections with the CIA. And I mustn’t forget to mention Soros’ involvement with the MSM
    (Main Stream Media), the entertainment industry (e. g. he owns 2.6 million shares of Time Warner), and the various political advertising organizations he funnels millions to. In short, George Soros controls or influences most of the MSM. Little wonder they ignore the TEA PARTY, Soro’s NEMESIS.

    As Matthew Vadum writes, “The liberal billionaire-turned-philanthropist has been buying up media properties for years in order to drive home his message to the American public that they are too materialistic, too wasteful, too selfish, and too stupid to decide for themselves how to run their own lives.”

    Richard Poe writes, “Soros’ private philanthropy, totaling nearly $5 billion, continues undermining America’s traditional Western values. His giving has provided funding of abortion rights, atheism, drug legalization, sex education, euthanasia, feminism, gun control, globalization, mass immigration, gay marriage and other radical experiments in social engineering.”

    Some of the many NGOs (Non-Government Organizations) that Soros funds with his billions are:

    MoveOn. org, the Apollo Alliance, Media Matters for America, the Tides Foundation, the ACLU, ACORN, PDIA (Project on Death In America ), La Raza, and many more. For a more complete list, with brief descriptions of the NGOs, go to DiscoverTheNetworks. org.

    Poe continues, “Through his global web of Open Society Institutes and Open Society Foundations, Soros has spent 25 years recruiting, training, indoctrinating and installing a network of loyal operatives in 50 countries, placing them in positions of influence and power in media, government, finance and academia.”

    Without Soros’ money, would the Saul Alinsky’s Chicago machine still be rolling? Would SEIU, ACORN, and La Raza still be pursuing their nefarious activities? Would Big Money and lobbyists still be corrupting government? Would our college campuses still be retirement homes for 1960s radicals?

    America stands at the brink of an abyss, and that fact is directly attributable to Soros. Soros has vigorously, cleverly, and insidiously planned the ruination of America and his puppet, Barack
    Obama is leading the way.

    The words of Patrick Henry are apropos: “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!”

    ————–

    Above information researched by CBS Steve Kroft

    • Jovianus

      The above was shown yesterday to have been twisted and remade. In fact, I pasted the unedited portion of the Kroft interview and an entire section has been reworded. Not taken out of context which is the usual method of false information…rewritten. Dennis Ellis is posting a huge twisted made up fiction. Believe it and you swallow the koolaid and do yourself a huge disservice.

      • DaveH

        Jovianus or Jeremy or HFlashman, or whoever you are — you know you have no credibility on this board. So please post some references to back up your accusation.

      • Jovianus

        Did that yesterday Dave when this buffoon posted this pack of fables above. Pasted the unedited correct version of Kroft’s interview which showed the blatant rewriting as well as provided the link that shows the article above in its entirety to be a lyin’ fable.

        Have a nice day whoever you are…

      • azwayne

        Anus, can’t you find real job? You know or are not willing to ever use facts, you think anyone will accept the lies you spew? Everyone with a brain knows what SOROS is ,knows he put the usurper in the white house for one reason, destruction of America, with little effort can find SOROS is carrying out Bilderberg Group desire of NEW WORLD ORDER, ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT> total control by the wealthy. simple as that.
        You want to confuse and try to come up with something else. SOROS is using Move on, is that where you hide? and all other media, propaganda machines he owns. If we had half an ounce of gumption in congress these would all be jailed and disallowed because of sedition, treason and it’s time to really declare socialism and communism are not going to be allowed in America.

      • DaveH

        No, Jovianus, I’m not talking about cut and paste (which would mean nothing) since you lack credibility. I’m talking about linking to references so we can see your sources.

      • Jovianus

        Dave.. I wrote ‘provided the link’ … see? Or wait…for you it would be “See Spot, See spot run”

        Have a nice day whoever you choose to be today …

      • JeffH

        Jovi-commie, just take a hike…you’ve been “outed” and as was said, you got no credibility anyway! By the way, Soros is all of the above and far worse. Research it because it’s all out there…hundreds of links.

      • DaveH

        You did? So what? Provide it again. Are you link-challenged?
        You don’t seem to get the fact that you have no credibility on this board. Only a fool would take your word for anything. Or a Liberal (but then that is being redundant, isn’t it?).

      • Thamera

        So this is a “pack of fables” eh most ignorant one Jovi? I have watched the words come out of Soro’s own mouth in interview after interview…so Soros himself is lying? You and company are such a joke…useful idiots. So sad.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        jovi,
        Please prove to me whereyou posted the interview IN IT’S ENTIRITY?!?!? You cut it off less than half way through!! DITZ!!!

      • Jovianus

        Didn’t say i posted the entire interview. The artilce in question is a well known lie being passed around. It’s been denied by Kroft him as the unedited portion of the real interview is available (as i posted it word for word).

        What is hilariousa about some of you is that lie after lie can be disproven and shown to be false with less time than it takes to read this one post of mine. Yet, you insist it’s true because you want it to be true. And all you are doing is showing the world how wacked and one step from full fledged nutcases you are.

        It’s hilarious.

      • Carlucci

        DaveH, azwayne, etc., Is it me, or do Jovi’s postings sound like someone else is writing them today?

        O.k. Jovi – give it up – who are you today?

      • combatvet

        It sure seems to me that his royal ANUS is one of Barry’s boyfriends, anus fits there, sent here as a serial disinformation agent to promulgate unsubstantiated refutations to fact based postings by patriots who know beyond a shadow of doubt, that Anus’s boyfriend is a criminal fraud. That both parties, our government and our judiciary have bought into the most egregious criminal act, a coup if you will, of the greatest nation the world has ever seen, to bring us into the third world. They are nothing but a nest of termites destroying the very founding Constitution of America and our economic and societal survivability.

        We all know how termites are neutralized? Take a hint ANUS your not welcome here, in fact your intake of oxygen is an insult to the human race. Pack up your things and go back to Barry the impostor in chief!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The postings appear to be a group effort.

      • Justice4All

        For sure the military is completely different from our civilian courts, but does that make it right? Definitely the need for strong controls by our leaders is necessary, but, when we have elected someone that spews poison on our citizens, the Constitution, as well as our friendly countries (what we have left) around the world, shouldn’t we at least ask who that person is?
        I am thinking that this guy “O” was either playing a game for 2 years with this GREAT COUNTRY or he needed that amount of time to manufacture his now, suspicious birth certificate. Please at least admit that this POTUS has acted in a strange way….kinda zombie like.
        For whatever reason he is ours for a little longer. We must pray that he does very little additional harm to this nation and the world while we gather our forces to find the best in 2012.

        GOD Bless The U.S.A.

      • Andee

        Read and research Cain! Paul/Cain….or Cain/Paul and this will do away with the racist bullshit that will go on and on in 12; these two have a lot of wisdom, Paul has the experience, has stood against his own party, he has stood by and been ridiculed even by his own party for wanting to Audit the Feds……………this election is going to be most nasty and brutal…we will have a lot of voter fraud being tried and the RNC or whomever needs to prepare for this…back to paper votes would be one thing but that can be manipulated too…………ho hum…the evil of the Progressives, Libbers and the snake in the W. House.

        A female cannot serve, it is in the Constitution…would take an amendment for that to be legal….you will find it in Article II; if an Amendment were made it would open the door for the elimination of the Second Amendment.

    • Wolfgang

      Friday, May 20, 2011

      Imagine….a fellow like that being looked upon as sort of an idol by some here in America, having the experiences of living a long life, in which I lived under the Harkenkreuz as a youth, it always fascinates me when watching the so called world events turn. And in this instance it almost sounds like the needle is stuck, on the record as we used to say, make no doubt about it, Mr. Soros is the product of his socialist mentors, as was Hitler who was supported by the Liberals of that time and day, facts can be pesky reminders, of the past and things to come.

      Socialist dreams are the idle thoughts and hopes of dreamers, whose associations with their apparatchiki and bolshevik friends give the impressions of placating the vagabonds among us. Ain’t life grand in Pixie Hollow? WFR

    • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

      George Soros is an evil man. Good work by Steve Kroft.

      • Ken

        What is surprising is 600 Jewish Rabbis and a glut of Jews came to Soros’ defense after the Glen Beck expose on Fox which is what got Beck sacked from Fox. What does this say about Jews in America? Just a question.

      • Jovianus

        Says a lot about what the Jewsih community thinks about Beck and his honesty doesn’t it?

    • Penny F.

      Wonderful, is it not a blessing to be able to read, learn and assimilate. Thank you for words of knowledge.

    • Al Sieber

      Dennis, thanks for bringing this up again, I’ve seen that interview before, and Jovi-anus, you sound like you would fit in well in some Communist country, or are you Jeramey L? or maybe HFlashman?

      • Jovianus

        Hey Al..or whoever you are and whatever name you post under here…I gave the link and the unedited Kroft interview yesterdy when this lyin’ buffoon posted this trash yesterday.

        Have a nice day whoever you decide to be today…

      • DaveH

        Please forgive Jovianus. With all his knowledge and intelligence, it is much too difficult for him to include a referential link with his claims.
        Personally, I doubt he provided one yesterday either.

      • Al Sieber

        Jovi-anus, my name is Al Sieber, I don’t hide under different names like you, and I work, unlike you, I have no time to be on this site like you all day. or is this HFlashman, American Liberal, etc.

      • Thamera

        Good one Al. I also told Jovi who I am and what I do and was mocked and ridiculed and called a liar, unpatriotic and unamerican because I teach a government class to high school students; and because I haven’t bought into the ridiculous liberal idea of “legal realism” that Jovi so loves to espouse, (which btw is something Jefferson warned us about) I therefore, am a fraud. I have always heard that the one’s doing the most name calling are the ones with the most to hide. Sounds like Jovi to me! haha…btw…he or she will NEVER answer anything personal about themself…lol

      • Al Sieber

        Well Thamera, he pi$$ed me off, he must be a mentally ill to use different names, or a paid hack.

      • Jovianus

        Thamera..let’s get this straight. I have not called you “a liar, unpatriotic and unamerican because [you] teach a government class to high school students”

        I am calling you one because you are one. There’s grave doubt you teach government classes. I mean, how can anyone who teaches government come out and state, not once, not twice, but insisted a third time, that the Senate can override the Constitution merely by majority vote.

        Your students must be laughing at you, any parent if they found out you were that out of touch with our way of government would be asking the Board for your competency test scores.

      • Thamera

        LOL Jovi…obviously you have something to hide (most recent claims by Bob Livingston come to mind)…or you are ashamed of what it is you do since you refuse to respond to the most simple of simple questions. Until you do, you have absolutely no credibility…zero, zip, nada.

    • Dennis Patrick

      I rebutted this garbage yesterday as well – Soros as a 14 year old Nazi svengali? $5 billion to the Democratic Party? “George Soros controls or influences most of the MSM”? How about a little proof? How about some evidence? Get your nose out of Glenn Beck’s backend and see a little reality. Google it, baby, and see how this fiction was assembled – IF YOU HAVE THE GUTS.

      • DaveH

        You’re right, How about a little proof. When you accuse somebody of being dishonest, the burden of proof is on the accuser. Be sure to include references with your proof.

      • JeffH

        DP, Polly want a cracker? bbbaaarrraaaccckkk!

      • TIME

        Oh DP,

        So what were the Hitler Youth? They were just kids, 100000 kids and old men held the Russians out of Berlin in late March – May 1945 at a cost to the Russians of well over 1 Million men.

        Now how about a 14 year old turning in his fellow Jews to be sent to camps to be killed.
        Now thats was a good little Special boy, NOT! Soros is the scum of the earth in all respects, he may have been born a Jewish person but per his own words, “he hate’s the Jew’s.”
        Thats rather harsh, to feel that way about your race don’t you think?
        Yet you stand behind that MONSTER.

        Look as I see it the folks in Israel now need to know that we The “Americans PEOPLE” – don’t agree at all with what Adolf Soetoro Obama stated on May 19th 2011.
        There is not one single AMERICAN who ever told Adolf Soetoro Obama to make such a statment about what we The American People feel.
        Adolf Soetoro’s statment made on may 19th 2011 are his feeling’s alone.

        We the American PEOPLE feel that the Jewish folks in ISRAEL should KEEP the land they fought for. Thats from a REAL American who feels that Adolf Soetoro Obama is a pile of rotten festering waste material. BTW – (As should any TRUE AMERICAN.)

      • eddie47d

        Still tripping on LSD aren’t you Time bomb?

      • JeffH

        …still stupi aren’t you 47Stupid!

      • TIME

        So Manzier 47 D cup,

        I must admit your a well rounded mindless bloody MONKEY.

        Hows it feel to be so bloody stupid, is it really as blissful as they say to be that stupid?
        Do you get all wet just thinking about being you?

        Your post make me LMAO daily if your the best that media matter has to offer they really are in bad shape.

      • Thamera

        Why the comment eddie? These are known facts about Soros. Have you never watched the man interviewed? I have many times. He has absolutely no remorse for his actions as a youth or ever for that matter, and he knew very well what he was doing and knows very well what he is doing now. Have you read anything that he has written about politics, about self-preservation, about the corporate mindset that you claim to abhor? I have and he is everything that is said about him and more. Apologists like you and Dennis and Jovi and company make it very easy for evil to flourish in this world and that is what is sad. Here’s a question: why are you and company so eager to claim that Soros isn’t exactly what he is? An evil man…

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Thamera,
        One explaination might be that they are very distant relatives?!?!?!?!

  • s c

    Gee, what a surprise. The Anointed One has problems with free speech. Granted, the military tends to take a dim view of personnel who speak out while they’re in uniform. However, with this Pretender-in-Chief, we can expect more attacks on free speech – and any other freedoms that the current poser thinks he’s above.
    Hang in there, colonel. Herr Obummer, RESIGN. You’ve already made a habit of turning your back on and IGNORING your oath of office. RESIGN. Do the right thing – for once in your life. RESIGN!

    • Wayne

      Actually, Mr. Larkin was operating under the Uniform Code Of Military Justice. This is a different set of rules than the civilian world uses. There
      was no breach of any rules during his trial, and he was properly convicted. When you take an oath to obey those properly placed above you, you obey. The Army is not a debating society. If Mr. Larkin felt that strongly, he could have resigned his commission and taken up his cause as a civilian with the other Birthers. If Bush had been president, and someone had questioned his legitimacy because of the 2000 election fracas, that person would still be serving in Levenworth. If you can seperate your hatred of Obama from how the military operates you will see Larkin was wrong. the Army is not a debating society, you obey and do what you are told to do. He did not, and was properly punished. The UCMJ does not allow for extraneous evidence not germain to the matter to be introduced. It will never allow for a political statement to be made as the defendant will be gagged. The only question was, did he obey or disobey a rightful order. You can disrespect the man, Obama, but you must never disrespect the office of president. He is still the commander in chief. Vote him out, but the president is still the president. Mr. Larkin was not a hero in this instance, but a fool.

      • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

        Wayne, you better hope that our military disobeys orders when our dictator president starts ordering that every one that speaks out against him be arrested and jailed. You sir, are the fool.

      • Vigilannie

        I’m with you Linda!! ……..”you sir, are the fool”…

      • Vigilant

        Ladies, have you ever served in the military? Wayne is 100% correct.

        Commissioned oath of office: “I, (state your name), having been appointed a (rank) in the United States (branch of service), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the office upon which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

        The UCMJ, while preserving the bulk of Constitutional liberties, does NOT allow the officer (or enlisted person) to disregard or disobey a lawful order, period. As Wayne said, it’s not a debating society; if it were, they’d still be back in the USA arguing the merits/demerits of an invasion of Europe in WWII.

      • http://None xnavy

        I agree with Vigilannie; Vigilant is right about the UCMJ and if you pay attention to what you are promising to uphold and defend you will see that Vigilannie is right. The Military Defends and Upholds the CONSTITUTION of the United States, which if any Officer (including the Commander in Chief) is going against that Constitution so outrageously as this one is, then I hope our Military will ultimately DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION and not a DICTATOR.

      • dave

        our so call commander in chief doesn’t believe in or follow the u.s. constitution

      • Recon

        Linda that is a under statement we have a big problem!……….

      • Judy j

        Not to worry Linda, Obama as head of the current Gangster Government, has already considered this. Our military is obligated to take orders from the Commander in Chief regardless how they feel about it. However, Obama is also well aware, the one order our military WILL NOT

      • Judy j

        (sorry for the break) the only order our military will NOT follow is to train their weapons on their own people…family, friends and neighbors. SO, Obama knowing the decisions he would be making would push the American people beyond tolerance and, failing to squash our 2nd Amendment rights in time, Obama funded his own, privite militia deep within the bowels of his 2700 page health care bill.
        Now I ask, why would the commander in chief of the most powerful military in the world need his own, private militia? Why?> Is it he knows full well he intends to drive this nation to revolution?

      • slapjack

        What we fail to recognize is U*bummbo’s million man UNION army called the SEIU etc, and you can bet the farm we will be fighting this tribe of Maggots in the future. Any doubt just look at the recent unrest in Wisconsin’s own State capital building. They are at the beck and call of the Head Maggot in charge and they will do his dirty work.

      • Rob

        I took an oath to defend the constitution not the president.
        He is not a “Natural” born citizen he is a muslim invoking Taqiyya, the muslim form of a lie.
        Strange how a few weeks before his long form was released the reference to the “natural born citizen” definition in wikipedia went missing. A “”natural born citizens’” parents must be citizen at the time of your birth. This was done to prevent this type of issue where a child may have split intrest due to a parent not being a citizen. The first time an imposter president is placed in office the entire country is going down in flames. And it looks to be intentional and the Supreme Court needs to tell the military to remove him from office like they did to the president of Honduras. Question is who starts the ball rolling?

      • Kate8

        It’s true that a soldier’s oath is to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, not the office of the President. If a President appears to be, in fact, an enemy, and refuses to prove himself legitimate, I would think it would be the duty of our military to refuse all orders unless and until O proves himself. Who else is going to do it?

        My understanding is that a soldier has the right to disobey an order that violates his conscience. Otherwise, we have a possible scenario of what took place under Hitler.

        Further, by NOT producing his BC at the trial, this man can now show harm. Maybe, since he’s been court martialed, he should now take his case to a federal court, since they’ve insisted that O’s refusal to come clean hasn’t caused “harm”, or if it has, everyone is harmed equally (what nonsense). This man has truly been harmed.

      • ReaperHD

        The #1 Threat to this Nation is the Muslim Terrorist in the White House trying to destroy the Constitution and the American People. Since Bin Bama took and oath to protect and uphold the Constitution he should be arrested and tried for TREASON for his attack upon the same Document.

      • Harry

        I agree

      • http://charter susan

        so stop all the talking and some one in the government start doing something.

      • http://Nope OldNavy

        Yep and we know the punishment for said High Treason.
        Any volunteer’s for the squad?

      • http://personalliberty manosfate

        Some of these poor brainwashed fools in jack boots and gas masks think they will be taken care of by the elites they serve,(they’re on the inside track to advancement and fortune)but they will be “taken care of” the way the elites always take care of those they call “stupid animals”(the same way Hitler took care of his “SA”)Ha!

      • Loyd

        Colonel Herr should have been aware of both the way the UCMJ is applied within the military service and what the result of his action would, inevitably, be. In its present form the UCMJ simply carries on the effect and traditions of the, “Articles of War,” that preceded it and under which many fine officers and NCOs have been booted out of service.

        The valid reasons that General Billy Mitchell accused the War Department of, “criminal negligence,” in the administration of its Army and Naval air services have been proved to be completely accurate by history. The fact that he disobeyed a direct order from his superiors to give no more statements to the press was proven during his court martial and is also documented. In General Mitchell’s case, he did not live to see the Empire of Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbour (which he’d accurately predicted in the late 1920s). The purpose of the UCMJ is to uphold discipline within the military services.

        While Wayne is obviously a supporter of President Obama, he has a valid point about the UCMJ. Do I admire both Colonel Herr and General Mitchell for doing what was right in defiance of lawful orders of their respective superiors? Of course I do and I believe that we should all be grateful for actions that, though morally right, are contrary to established military (or civilian)legal precedent. We should be proud that our nation still produces such men – although there seem to be far fewer of them today than in years past.

        If our President actually was the man that he’d like us to think he is, with respect for justice rather than the letter of the law, he’d probably exonerate Colonel Herr from his dishonourable discharge – although it would be hard to justify allowing him to return to active service in light of having actually disobeyed, intentionally, a lawful order. Like General MacArthur, who was merely dismissed by President Truman although his offences against his Commander-in-Chief were far more onerous than were those of Colonel Herr, the Colonel was merely performing his duties as (to quote General MacArthur), “God gave me the light to see them.”

        The difference in our nation (for a time yet, anyway) and others is that, in many of their military services, his punishment would’ve been far more severe – perhaps even fatal.

      • Had ENUF

        I’m not a military person, but is it not in thier oath to protect, not the CIC, but the US Constitution, from enemies, both foreign and DOMESTIC? Isnt it clear yet that B.O has turned on who he took an oath to protect? I don’t think his dealings with the UN ‘AGAINST’

      • Old Timer

        It might be helpful for you to read Nazi Warcrimes Trials records and other WWII records of the executions of axis officers for “just following orders.”

        The present EH occupant has enough violations thatwe need to flood congress with petitions for articles of impeachment

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Loyd,
        I believe that Wayne is only partly right. I believe that if he checked he would find a clause in the UCMJ that states if a soldier truly thinks an order given is unlawful, he not only has a right to question, he has a DUTY to question said order!!

      • smilee

        Joe H. says:
        May 20, 2011 at 9:52 pm

        Joe so he has the right to question it and he did but if his question is not factual then he is accountable for his actions and in this case he was held accountable and he paid the price, no one said he could not question it.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Smiley,
        Wrong! He also has the right to present evidence pertaining to his case, even under courts martial!! In this case he was gagged!!! Don’t give me the bull$hit that his argument doesn’t pertain, it does!!

      • FuLL10

        Linda, the die is cast. Barakma banished the Boston Herald from reporting on his Royal Presence in Boston the other day because they published an unflattering comment that Mitt Romney made about Barakma. Once he completes his Royal (civilian) mercenary force that is to be “as powerful and as well funded as the current military” , the Pretender-in Chief will be better able to squish the “misguided”. And that too, of course, will be – STANDARD RESPOPNSE… “FOR THE CHILDREN”.

      • SpiritualMadMan

        AMEN! Especially when these paranoid power greedy ones violate posse coma tatas (sp?) and come to get our guns!

        I swore an Oath to obey *FIRST* the Constitution, then the President *BUT* only Constitutionally Lawful Orders. As defined and intended by the Founding Fathers not the liberal court system.

        Conscience has *always* been a quality, previously respected, of our Military Leaders.

        If this “entity” in the white house really did get a “new” Hawaiian Birth Certificate by abusing the adoption records laws it raises serious questions as to whether he is a radical muslim sleeper, actually born in Kenya and trained up in the way that he should go in a Radical Muslim Masdras (sp?) from which he has never departed.

        His legitimacy *must* be questioned!

        Especially when his treasonous actions speak so abundantly.

      • http://Nope OldNavy

        I got this in email.
        I have since searched the web and found the data here.
        The Talaban leader in the White House is a fraud and has comitted acts of High Treason.
        I also downloaded the posted BC from the White House and examined it myself.
        I opened it in Adobe Illistrator. It is not merily a scanned copy, it is modified in many important areas with AI.

        Email below:
        Here we go again!!!!!!
        As you all know, Donald Trump made a big deal about Obama’s birth certificate. As of yesterday, the White House released the birth certificate.
        I will tell you right now that I had never given this “birther” issue any credit. I watched the hype and the crazies come out. I completely dismissed the entire ordeal altogether. In fact, it was not until the White House released the birth certificate that it had gained my attention.
        I am the studious sort of guy, and I have plenty of time on my hands. So, I took a close look at this document. While I would have thought that this issue would have been closed for good (and, got the crazies to crawl back into their holes),
        I found two extremely strange inconsistencies that merit some attention.
        First of all, the birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama’s birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama’s birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama’s father was born in “Kenya, East Africa”. This wouldn’t seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama’s birth, and 27 years after his father’s birth. How could have Obama’s father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the “British East Africa Protectorate”. But, this is not the only thing that I found that just does not jive.
        The other item that I looked into was the hospital that Obama was born in. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is “Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital”. This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called “KauiKeolani Children’s Hospital” and “Kapi’olani Maternity Home”, respectively. The name did not change to Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?
        Go ahead, look it up. I am not talking crazy talk, these are the facts. Like I said, I thought that this was a non-issue until the actual certificate was released. Now that it has been released, of course I had to look into it. I have found these issues, now I know that something is up. If you doubt me, just look at the following resources:
        Sure as hell, the hospital part is true, as you can read about the 1978 merger here. http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx

      • DC

        You and old navy should send this info to Glenn Beck and Shawn Hannity, they will get it to the public.

      • Jovianus

        Old Navy…you should delete that email and place the sender in your spam alert. Both the Kenya East Africa and the nospital name have been thoroughly debunked.

        Birthers are going wild making stuff up since they’re being shown to be complete and utter fools having been taken in by others having an agenda to destroy this nation. Rather than admit they have been made fools of, and publically shown to be fools…they’re grasping at false straws now in vain attempts to recoiver somwething of thier shattered pride and ego.

      • http://facebook john

        linda,—wayne is not worried about that.he would NEVER.disagree with his lord and savior,–OBUMMER.

      • smilee

        Disagreeing is vastly different than failure to follow orders, no one said he couldn’t disagree that was not he was called on to answer to.

      • JC

        But Smilee (eddie,jovi,pastor,denniso…)
        What if the guy ultimatly giving the order is an imposter and a fraud?
        And what if that same fraud ordered American troops to fire on Americans? Let alone send them off to an immoral, undeclared war..

        Sorry my ststist little friend, but your logic is flawed beyond all measure of morality.

      • Jovianus

        Well JC (DaveH, DaveAz, Time, Vigilant, Thamera or whiomever you choose to post under)…

        if you can show that pres. Obama is inelgible to hold office…maybe a court decision ? Otherwise, he has been certified as eligible by all 50 states Electoral Colleges and election boards when he ran for the office, and there is no court decision which has decided otherwise when presented with the supposed “evidence” …

        Face it, every time you birthers bring up the subject, you have nothing to back up your wild rantings of insanity except made up “proof”. And every time you cite somethig or paste some ludicrous email..it’s shown again to be false. Yet..a few days later you repost it and claim it true.

        Altheimer’s must be rampant amongst the TPers….

      • rebel5871

        Linda,
        i agree with you. he (wayne) is a fool. our impostor in chief. if he gets his way like he has so far. not only have anyone who speaks out against him arrested and jailed but he might go as far as to order them shot. calling them traitors. we have no idea just how far this ass will take matters. i am Vietnam Vet ( U S Navy. I to took that oath in 68. and to this day it still stands even though i am now a civilian. when we take that oath it is an oath for life.
        William

      • Vigilant

        John and rebel5871,

        You go too far. Nothing that Wayne said is inaccurate. And it matters not whether you support the president.

        Personally, I believe that the Obama administration is the largest threat to the survival of our Republic in history. That its socialist agenda is systematically destroying the guarantees of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. And that a re-election of Obama would signify the end of the beginning.

        Nonetheless, if I learned anything in my 24 years of military service, it’s that you DO NOT randomly disobey a lawful order without serious consequences. If you do not believe the order to be lawful (such as Lt. Cally’s abominable order), you have the right to disobey if it will save innocent human life.

        If, on the other hand, the lawfulness of the order does not involve loss of life, you DO NOT disobey the order. You must execute the order (under protest, if necessary), and take legal action AFTER you’ve accomplished the mission. If you were indeed in the military and do not remember this principle, then you were mentally AWOL during basic training.

      • kodster5

        The point of the article isn’t an argument of whether Lakin got a fair trial or not. He did, because the UCMJ did it by the book. The issue was whether or not Lakin disobeyed orders, which is what he did. Guilty.

        However, the point of the article was… it could have all been avoided, a man who has had an illustrious career in the military, was good at his job and was making a career of it (and was only 3 years from retirement at full pension, if he so desired), if only the Army and Obama had avoided the questions that he wanted answered, was destroyed by Obama’s arrogance. It is the irony of the fact that 2 days before Lakin is released, Obama FINALLY releases his so-called birth certificate (it is still up for grabs whether or not it is legitimate, and the one he did produce still leaves the question of whether or not he is eligible since BOTH parents, prior to 2001, HAD to be US citizens, and his father was not, at the time of his son’s birth), yet Lakin is the one has been penalized for it.

        For that, it is shameful of Obama and his administration, for ruining Lakin’s life.

      • Jon

        Hey Vigilant,

        Commissioned oath of office says “I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC” so he was defending the Constitution because Obummer refused to supply his BC and pays millions of dollars to hide all his records, so who’s to know if he is the rightful Pres. I’d say he was holding up his oath. Great job Colonel!

      • Patty

        Vigilant is correct. My sister has 1 more tour in Iraq, and then she is out. She has a lot of contempt for her Commander, but as she says, there is nothing I can do about it until my service is over.

      • Annie Ladysmith

        The Jackass has gotten away with shreding up the law of the land, putting his corrupt marxist cronnies in powerful positions, and treating the American people like idiots. Now, he is HAARP BOMBING the bible belt and the militia belt into oblivion. How much more are we going to take? Newsflash: he is winning hands down at this point, we are only going to get weaker as they take out the patriot militias.

      • Jovianus

        Wayne:

        Hold onto your pants …I agree with what you wrote above 100%.

      • Carlucci

        Wayne is not a fool. When people enlist (volunteer) in the military, they are under and must obey direct orders from the POTUS.

      • x-US Army

        i take exception to your statement that ALL orders must be followed period. i sat in many classes where it was TOLD to us what illegal orders were and you must not carry out those orders under penalty of courts martial. Col Larkin was well within his rights as an American citizen to question o’s proof of place of birth. UCMJ appointed judges also work for o, whose career will be allowed to continue with an supeona to our cic, to provide a copy of a state stamped actual birt certificate ?

        if u served 24 years, u had to attend at least 1 of these classes.

        6 years in the real US Army Infantry.

      • Recon

        That is absolutely correct unlawful orders are not to be followed as a matter of fact it is your duty not to follow those orders. 4 years 31 Victor

      • JC

        X-US,
        You make a valid point. And the good Dr. was not questioning his orders, he was questioning the validity of the source of those orders.
        If for example our POTUS was a communist or someone bent on destroying the United States by way of economic tyranny that may or may not even be eligible to be POTUS…then by all means question the order to make war.
        The good Dr. has my respect.

      • Pathfinder

        Carlucci : It is the DUTY of all military personnel to disobey any and all UNLAWFUL orders. Military personnel are only required to obey LAWFUL orders. In this case Col Lakin was railroaded. He was prevented from presenting his case for his defense. This time a soldier was not prosecuted under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). Rather, Lakin was persecuted under Random Code of Military Injustice (RCMI). (BTW I am, myself, a retired enlisted man; formerly with the Airborne Infantry.)

      • Wayne937

        I do not believe anyone, even in the military, has to obey an unlawful order. What if Obama would order one of his top commanders do something that they knew they were not capable of doing. You know, like swimming across the Mighty Mississippi while the flood is up. Would the stupid military judges still go along with Obama if this commander would refuse? This may sound a little out of character, but a lot of things that Obama does is out of character.

      • Kinetic1

        Wayne937,
        The military has ordered men to commit themselves to almost certain death more times than any of us care to think. Consider my step father who was serving during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Every man on his boat was given last rights before deploying to the region. They all knew that if the order was given to advance that their odds were slim at best.

        No soldier is expected to obey an illegal order, such as the unnecessary slaughter of women and children, but the legality of this order was not in question by Col. Lakin’s superiors. He voiced his opposition and it was addressed. Just because he was not satisfied by the response, that does not give him the right to continue to disobey an order based on his personal feelings. What would you say if he had argued that Bin Laden was already dead and therefore we had no reason to be in Afghanistan? Many of you believe that to be true as well, so would that be an acceptable reason to refuse to deploy?

      • Juan TwoThree

        Oh, come OOOOONNN…before you splatter gribble-grabble BULL, check your facts out…..people like you are the ones who start riots…what, ar eyou a friggin Liberal newpaper journlist(??). All you had to do was look on-line and READ the MCOJ (Military Code of Justice) AND/OR call one of your local military bases, reserve untis…they would have set you very clear on what policies are and then you will see how out of line you are….and you wasted many people’s minutes/breathes by having to look at and read your garbage!!

        Semper Fi

      • Stanley

        If a soldier (I am ex-military) is to blindly obey all orders, then there would have been no need for war crime investigations and trials following WWII. A soldier also has a duty to question any orders he/she feels are not legal.

        This was not a “life-or-death” decision/order that needed to be followed immediately, it was a deployment. I personally missed a deployment once and didn’t spend 1 minute in jail and still left the US Army with an Honorable Discharge – but, of course, I wasn’t bucking the government.

        It is a shame anybody had to take such a drastic stance when it could have been resolved years ago with O showing a copy of his REAL birth certificate when it first came to question – but then, maybe it wasnt’ forged yet!

      • http://Nope OldNavy

        Here we go again!!!!!!
        As you all know, Donald Trump made a big deal about Obama’s birth certificate. As of yesterday, the White House released the birth certificate.
        I will tell you right now that I had never given this “birther” issue any credit. I watched the hype and the crazies come out. I completely dismissed the entire ordeal altogether. In fact, it was not until the White House released the birth certificate that it had gained my attention.
        I am the studious sort of guy, and I have plenty of time on my hands. So, I took a close look at this document. While I would have thought that this issue would have been closed for good (and, got the crazies to crawl back into their holes),
        I found two extremely strange inconsistencies that merit some attention.
        First of all, the birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama’s birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama’s birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama’s father was born in “Kenya, East Africa”. This wouldn’t seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama’s birth, and 27 years after his father’s birth. How could have Obama’s father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the “British East Africa Protectorate”. But, this is not the only thing that I found that just does not jive.
        The other item that I looked into was the hospital that Obama was born in. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is “Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital”. This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called “KauiKeolani Children’s Hospital” and “Kapi’olani Maternity Home”, respectively. The name did not change to Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?
        Go ahead, look it up. I am not talking crazy talk, these are the facts. Like I said, I thought that this was a non-issue until the actual certificate was released. Now that it has been released, of course I had to look into it. I have found these issues, now I know that something is up. If you doubt me, just look at the following resources:
        Sure as hell, the hospital part is true, as you can read about the 1978 merger here.
        http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx

      • JC

        Another indication that barry is a fraud!
        Good work Old Navy.

      • The7hson

        As much as I despise Obama, I have to agree with Wayne. Col. Lakin made a big mistake in disobeying a lawful order and paid the penalty. Whether Obama is actually a natural-born American or not is completely irrelevant in this case. Col. Lakin received orders to deploy and did not deploy – cut and dried – he screwed up.

        As for criticisms of the way he was prosecuted, just remember what John Kenneth Galbraith said, “Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.”

        Speaking as a veteran of both the Cold War and Operation Iraqi Freedom, I have to say that I understand the colonel’s doubts about the president but seriously question the colonel’s judgement regarding how he acted on those doubts.

      • Colleen

        You are exactly correct. Col. Lakin was wrong in what and how he did and should have been court martialed for this. I also agree that if he had serious doubts about the president’s nationality and eligibility to be president, he should have resigned his commission and gone from there. Stand on principle and see how far it gets you in the military. Proud daughter of USAF (ret/deceased) dad, and three brothers who also served our country in the Marines, Navy, Army.

      • JC

        Colleen, as a good citizen if you are ordered out of your home and onto a train, will you obey?
        At what point do you draw the line?
        The Dr. knew where he was drawing his.

      • Kinetic1

        JC,
        Don’t confuse the responsibilities of a responsible American citizen with those of the enlisted. your argument does point to one truth: If the Col. wanted the right to refuse an order he should have returned to the life of an average citizen.

      • Jovianus

        Larkin used a civilian policial issue to disobey a military order. It wasn’t an “illegal” order. Larkin crossed the line. In our system, the military is not to interfere or second guess civilian rule. Civilians are the top dog in the food chain, not the military.

        If Larkin had issues with civilian political issues…as wacked out as the argument is, he should have resigned and joined in the debate as a civilian. He didn’t…he got off light.

        Anyione giving lakin one ounce of respect or sympathy for disobeying a military order because of his issues with civilian policial debate is doing the US Military AND our nation a huge insult.

      • Christin

        Good comment, JC… train rides can kill… just saying, you have to know history.

        Good for Lt.Col. Terry Lakin for standing up for America, the American Military, himself, and being an American “Who Can Still Use His Head’ and think on his own. We support your need to know the TRUTH.

        obummer is a fraud and Lakin knows it and so do most of us. No one buys obummer’s newly made fake Birth Certificate.

        Question with Boldness and don’t be a Stupid sheeple led to slaughter.

        10% LEAD
        80% FOLLOW
        and
        10% Act Stupidly (violently riot, blow things up, or kill people)

        Which are you guys going to be….

      • JeffH

        Jovi-commie said “Larkin used a civilian political issue to disobey a military order. It wasn’t an “illegal” order.”

        First off, Lt. Col. Terry Lakin name is just that, not “LARKIN”. That aside, How can you honestly say, because we all know you to be dis-honest, that “Larkin/Lakin” used a civilian issue to disobey a military order. This has been an “American” issue and last I checked, Lakin was an American in the American.

        Get your facts straight ya faker.

      • Vicki

        Multiple judges in the civilian courts have claimed that the people do not have “standing” to question Obama’s eligibility. Lt. Col. Terry Lakin did a very courageous thing by challenging the order as it would be much harder to claim he did not have “standing”.

        The actions of the Military in regards to his trial show how deep the corruption goes.

      • DaveH

        And Jovianus says “If Larkin had issues with civilian political issues…as wacked out as the argument is, he should have resigned and joined in the debate as a civilian”.

        Wacked out? And what exactly do you call the advice that Larkin should have resigned? Are you kidding? If you sign up with the military you don’t just resign.

      • Jim

        Seriously, this is like refusing to pay taxes because you think the requirement to pay income taxes is unconstitutional. How many people on all sides of the political divide have been convicted for this flaky position? One of the basic tenets of principled disobedience is to accept the punishment for your acts no matter how sincere your beliefs. This is pure whining.

      • JC

        Pathetic. Spoken like a well trained hamster.

        Income tax is not only unethical it is a statist tool of
        controlling the quality of your existence, and nothing more.

        Is “conformity” the American way in your mind?
        Or are we a nation of individuals?

      • JC

        I’ll apologize for the hamster remark. It was uncalled for.
        I still disagree with income tax and unconstitutional orders.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Jim,
        You are comparing apples and cumquats!!! Taxes are a CIVILLIAN problem and unless it has changed, when you are in a combat zone in a foreign country, they pay NO TAXES!!!

      • JD

        I strongly believe that Obama is in the White House Illegally, and the powers to be will forever deny us the truth and defend him and the democratic party at ANY COST. In my opinion, our government operates under the belief that they know what is best for our country, since in their eyes we are too stupid to see and appreciate the future they invision for us. So, when a politician lies, they truly believe that the ends will justify the means. ( Like when Pelosi made the incrediable statement that we need to pass the health care bill to see whats in it).

        Having said that, I also believe that LtCol Lakin’s biggest mistake is that he assumed that the majority of our patriotic citizens and so called courageous politicians would have the same amount of intestinal fortitude to back him as he had, which he so gravely demonstrated when questioning Obama’s qualifications to be the rightful Cammander-In-Chief. Ronald Reagan said it best with the following quote “Trust but Verify”, . Again, in my opinion, our justice system is set up at the highest levels to protect the law makes and screw the rest of us PEE-ONS. Do you know any politicians who have Moral Courage? Make your vote count and vote for them. Wake up America, the land that I LOVE.!!!

        Semper Fi, Live Free or Die
        JD USMC Ret 1963-1993.

      • Vigilant

        “LtCol Lakin’s biggest mistake is that he assumed that the majority of our patriotic citizens and so called courageous politicians would have the same amount of intestinal fortitude to back him as he had…”

        Such is irrelevant to the charges and conviction. He disobeyed a lawful order and was correctly prosecuted under the UCMJ.

      • Kate8

        Vigilant – How can an order be lawful if it is given by an unlawful usurper?

        There is ample evidence of this. Just because O’s accomplices in crime choose to ignore this technicality doesn’t make it any less the case.

        I say Lakin was right in doing what he did. Being that O is under grave suspicion, he felt duty-bound to press the issue. Too bad the system is too far gone to respond in a proper manner.

      • Vigilant

        Kate8: “Vigilant – How can an order be lawful if it is given by an unlawful usurper?”

        And what order did Obama give? The notice of assignment to Afrghanistan comes under the title of “lawful general order.” It has nothing to do with any direct order given by any person.

        A general order or regulation is lawful unless it is contrary to the Constitution, the laws of the United States, or lawful superior orders or for some other reason is beyond the authority of the official issuing it.

        Shame on Chip Wood for saying, “Asking a question about your Commander in Chief became disobedience of a lawful order.” No, Mr. Wood, military personnel who disobey lawful orders are disciplined under Article 15 or court-martialled because of a refusal to act. Obama could be an alien from Mars, as far as I’m concerned, that’s not a reason or mitigating factor for disobeying a lawful general order, period.

        kate8, you said, “I say Lakin was right in doing what he did. Being that O is under grave suspicion, he felt duty-bound to press the issue. Too bad the system is too far gone to respond in a proper manner.”

        Lakin pressed the issue by engaging in behavior that he knew would land him in the brig. The court martial was convened to determine culpability in a case of failure to obey a lawful general order, and their ruling was impeccably correct.

      • DaveH

        Here’s a soldier who took a slightly different approach. Note that the army cancelled his deployment rather than face the risk of forcing Obama’s records to be produced in a court proceedings:
        http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106692

      • DaveH

        It’s important to note that Terry’s assignment to Afghanistan came well after he was pursuing the issue of whether or not Obama had a right to be Commander-in-Chief.
        Terry’s story:
        http://www.terrylakinactionfund.com/terry/timeline.html

        In my opinion, he was smart to not deploy to Afghanistan where his death might have been pre-planned.

      • Gary in Texas

        GET WAYNE SOME MORE KOOL AID !!!!
        WHAT AN IDIOT !!! BUSH IS THE ANSWER TO ALL THE PROBLEMS.. YEAH RIGHT.

      • Juan TwoThree

        Go pound some Arabian sand, you left wing-batted homo!

      • oldgringo

        Exactly…..You do not question the rule of the military…..Your job is to obay or go to your death trying…..Many of Hitler’s soldiers, officers and Generals met with a firing squad for questioning the Fuher’s policies and or orders…..Many more were convicted by Allied Trials after the war for obeying the orders of their commanding officers i.e. war crimes…..If you are in the US Military you give up your right’s to be treated fairly…..Your rights under the US Constitution which you have sworn to uphold do not apply to you as a US member of the Armed Forces…..You are defacto no longer a US citizen!

      • DaveH

        So, we have people with no rights of citizenship who are supposed to protect our liberty as citizens?
        It amazes me what people believe these days (not directed at you oldgringo).

      • Pathfinder

        oldgringo : That is sooo bad it is not even good enough to be wrong. As soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines; we do not surrender our GOD GIVEN rights. We retain all of them. However, we do accept some limitations on them for the sake of the “good order and discipline” of the US military. As for obeying orders, every military member knows that they are bound by duty to BOTH obey lawful orders AND to disobey any and all unlawful orders. Col Lakins court martial was not a proper trial; but a kangaroo court. It may as well have been held in a train station for all of the railroading that went on.

      • Vigilant

        Lakin pleaded guilty to disobeying a lawful order.

        From the trial record: “LTC Lakin elected to be tried by a panel of officers. The defense asked the judge to advise the members that LTC Lakin had pled guilty to violating lawful orders, and that his pleas were accepted.”

        Case closed.

      • DaveH

        The case is closed only for people who don’t have open minds. Here is Terry’s story:
        http://www.terrylakinactionfund.com/terry/timeline.html

      • Vigilant

        Dave, there’s absolutely nothing on that site that mitigates the reason for court-martial. As I said, Obama may very well be an alien, it matters nothing to the case. And Lakin should have been smart enough to know that he would get nowhere with it.

        In my service time I was promoted to Chief Master Sergeant (E9) Any current/former service member here can tell you one does not attain the highest enlisted rank without knowing his sh*t. Only 1 in 100 enlisted members can become CMSgt, and there are fewer E9s than there are Full Colonels (O6s) in the service. I’m not bragging, I’m telling you where I’m coming from, and that I know of what I’m speaking.

        Why is willful disobeyance of a lawful order punishable so heavily in the military? Two reasons: order and discipline. The absolute survival of the military depends upon it. Without it, every combat decision would become a town hall meeting. Combat troops do not have the luxury of staying in the trenches, or even delaying, when they’re told to go over the top. Teamwork is not everything, it’s more than that!

        Have any of you, former military or otherwise, considered that Lakin’s failure to obey a lawful order put some other Army officer in harm’s way? That his actions inserted exceptional rather than standard handling of a routine rotation of personnel? That a delay in arrival of a medical officer may have put combat troops in jeopardy by denying them a possibly crucial medical decision? No, I daresay you have not considered these things.

        An oath-taking military person writes that blank check to the American people, telling them that it’s cashable up to and including dying for our country. That’s not a platitude, it’s a fact of life. Lakin welched on that check for personal, selfish reasons. And he knew damn well that he had disobeyed a lawful order. He got exactly what he deserved.

        “The ends justifies the means” was made famous by the communists. When I see that the birthers are so blinded by hatred that they believe it’s OK to tear away at the very foundation of military discipline to prove their point, it breaks my heart.

        I’m sure that the birther question has a lot of legitimate points. Selfishly experimenting with the military justice system in a frivolous case is unconscionable. A thousand courts-martial could be convened over failures to obey lawful orders, and in every case the findings will be the same.

      • Jovianus

        Vigilant…you may be a wacked out, far right, paranoic who needs deep intensive therapy…but darned if you wrote a post that deserves respect and a new found respectful consideration for how your views of the world are shaped.

        Well written response. Even had I disagreed with it…well written.

        After reading your post, you summed it up nicely.

        Case closed

      • Nadzieja Batki

        If that is as you say, what country are they citizens of? From where do you come up with this load of manure. The soldiers vote, and only citizens are allowed to vote, so therefore soldiers are citizens.

      • Carol J

        You are wrong there. You no longer have to be a citizen of the US to vote. I watched one day while illegal immigrants from Mexico were being registered to vote in California. Most of them spoke no English at all. They were being registered using Mexican spanish. Why do you suppose we have to put up with the confusing and expensive bilingual ballots here?

      • Kate8

        Carol J – Democrats never met a law they wouldn’t ignore if it benefits them to do so.

      • halftruthlies

        Right,

        You said it, to uphold the constitution. Sure you have given up your rights as a US citizen, but not to your duty, and that is exactly what was going on in this case.

        Quit posting half-truths……

        How are you discerning this information you are reading? You are doing just what the media does, as well as the government. Taking pieces of a document that say what you want it to say; just to get your point across that now holds no real truth. Just to feel good about yourself, or to be a sheep led to slaughter, or maybe a follower instead of a real leader….
        Propaganda!!!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        oldgringo,
        I’ll say it again READ THE UCMJ AND SEE WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT QUESTIONING UNLAWFUL ORDERS!!!

      • ex 82nd paratrooper

        First of all, everyone needs to get one thing straight. There are two different oaths, one for enlisted, and one for the officers.The enlisted says, I will obey the orders of the president of the united states and the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the ucmj, so help me god. The officers oath states I will defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, that i will bear true faith and allegiance to the same. The fact that Lakin was an officer, according to the oath he took, it was his duty to question this usurper’s eligibility to be commander in chief. Had he been enlisted, he would have been wrong. Forget the birth certificate. He is not a natural born citizen. period. Then knowing this, the only officer that followed his oath was LTC Lakin. Every officer that followed his orders, is in direct conflict with the constitution, and the ucmj. It is important to understand the difference between the two oaths, and it sheds alot more light on just how bad LTC Lakin got the shaft. I say we right him in for president in 2012. At least we know he has honesty and integrity.
        that would be one out of 535.

      • Gene Farley

        Will you please clarify the last 2 sentences of your comment, ie.;
        “We should right him in as President in 2012. He has honesty and integrity,” Are you referring re-electing Obama?. I’m asking because I need to know for my own interest as to whether or not to even read your future comments.

      • JeffH

        Gene, he’s talking about Terry Lakin as a write in for POTUS.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Ex 82nd airborn,
        WRONG! The oath for enlisted is as follows:
        I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allgiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of The United States and the officers over me, according to the regulations and The Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
        /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
        The last sentence may be left out if you have a personal objection to it! (So Help Me God.)(

      • DaveH

        Does anybody know at what point in our history, the military lost their rights of citizenship?

      • Jovianus

        They didn’t Dave..that’s not the issue.

      • Pathfinder

        DaveH : To answer your question, “We never lost any of our GOD GIVEN rights.” We kept all of them. (At least I did.) However, we DID accept certain, temporary limits on them, for the “good order and discipline of the military” One example which I might cite is the command “At ease”. In spite of my freedom of speech, which I still retain, I am required to shut my mouth with that command. (This is ONLY valid in military contexts and I would certainly follow up any misuse of this command with an investigation under article 93, of anyone who misused it.)During my military career, the fact that I knew about, and was willing to file, article 93 complaints prevented abuse of my person by those who outranked me. Military personnel are still citizens and may NOT be abused.

      • Joan

        When those of you voted this person in office…. If hes voted in again we’ll lose much more then this!!!!

      • Joe

        Wayne, once Larkin received orders to A-Stan resigning his comission would’ve ceased to have been an option. Up until that time he was going through the correct process and in a civilian court would not have been able to show that he was harmed by the imposter in chief’s actions.

      • Wayne937

        Joe, your right. Colonel Lakin should have been tired in a civilian court, not a military court where they, military judges, are under the influence of Obama. He would have had the chance to produce evidence had he been tried in a civilian court. Obama would not want this though. Eric Holder, Obama’s AG, wants to try murdering terrorist in civilian court, but they would not extend that same priviledge to a decent man like Colonel Lakin. Yes, yes and yes, we do have a corrupted administation regardless of how many of you try to defend it. I would think any decent man, or woman, would want honesty withing their government. You folks that are protecting Obama on everything is does, may some day end up on the short end of stick and wish there was honesty in our military and the civilian courts. I hope this never happens, but it is a possibility. Think about that and let it sink it.

      • Christin

        Wayne937,

        Civilian Courts are not so great anymore and they are not what they use to be.

        ORIGINALLY, Courts use to be ‘Courts of Justice’… remember “it is better to let a guilty man go free that to imprison a innocent man.”

        THEN, courts became ‘Courts of Law’ where the Law was distorted and interpreted by Activist Judges or Highly paid Lawyers out to make a name for themselves.

        NOW, courts are just ‘Courts of Arbitration’ where the Court appointed Lawyer or hired Attorney “Arbitrate the case” between the accused and the police statement … and the Judge goes by the ‘agreement’ made by the those two parties or the Jury.

        The Justice system has fallen like many other things in our society as Good Men are not Leading anymore and the corrupt have taken hold of much.

      • Pathfinder

        Wayne : BULLS&*^ !!! Even under the UCMJ the accused is supposed to recieve a fair trial. Lakin was railroaded ! (BTW I am myself a military retiree with 20 years of service. Unlike Col Lakin, I served in the Airborne Infantry as an enlisted man.)

      • Jovianus

        How do you now he was railroaded? There were two questions..was the order illegal (no), did he refuse to obey it (yes). Case closed.

      • Pathfinder

        Jovianus : Again, BULLS&*%!! He was prevented from entering his evidence to contest the first question. Was the order unlawful ? You insist, “YES” but it is on this very point that I insist he was railroaded.

      • Pathfinder

        OOPS!! I meant to say that the order was unlawful. And you contend that the order was lawful I.E. Not unlawful. (Just typed it backwards.)

      • Jovianus

        Pathfinder..what court has ruled that pres. Obama is unConstitutionally able to hold the office? What SCOTUS ruling do you have stating that? Until there exists such a ruling…the order was lawful.

        Have a nice day

      • DaveH

        Unbelievable. How many times must I endure listening to Jovianus’s fallacious statements?
        Because an act has not been adjucated makes no difference as to whether or not an act is Unconstitutional. That would be like saying a murderer is not a murderer until a court decides so. Try telling that to the victim.

      • ex 82nd paratrooper

        j anus, are you that dumb? really? There are only two offfices in this country that you have to be a natural born citizen, president and vice president. A natural born citizen is a person born in this country of two parents born of this country. Our forefathers put his specific clause in there so you wouldnt get someone like…. osurper. Do some research and educate youself, and you might realize how the progresives have screwed this country over. or are you one of these people that will run over the cliff with the herd?

      • Jovianus

        OK DaveH…here’s a lesson. You wrote “Unbelievable. How many times must I endure listening to Jovianus’s fallacious statements?
        Because an act has not been adjucated makes no difference as to whether or not an act is Unconstitutional. That would be like saying a murderer is not a murderer until a court decides so. Try telling that to the victim.”

        It is that exactly. One is not a murderer until judged guilty of the crime. In addition, a law is presumed Constitutional until a court states it is unconstitutional. One is not civally liable for a debt until a court states so. Fact is DaveH, that’s why we have a court system. Now there’s your lesson for the day. There will be a test tomorrow so study it hard.

      • Chris

        The colonel said it best–”So he then did something he later admitted might not have been the smartest decision he ever made: He declined to go until he was shown the proof he had previously requested.

        I have to agree with you Wayne. As a former Commanding Officer, I would have written the colonel up for failure to obey a direct order, missing movement with his unit, and being AWOL. If you are going to make a big show; you better be right, or be ready to pay the price for your actions.

      • DaveH

        What happened to your oath to obey and protect the Constitution?

      • DaveH
      • Pathfinder

        DaveH : Lakin was keeping his oath. It was those members of the government who did not compel BHO to PROVE his eligibility under article II section one of the constitution who were violating their oaths to uphold and defend our constitution.

      • JC

        With all due respect, did it not occur to you that you yourself were implementing an illegal order? Or does being in the Military require you to abandon that sort of thinking and become a programmed automoton?

      • Vigilant

        chris is absolutely correct in his approach to the violation of a lawful general order. LAKIN PLEADED GUILTY TO DISOBEYING A LAWFUL ORDER. What part of that don’t you understand?

      • DaveH

        If Obama is not the legitimate Commander-in-chief, it IS NOT A LAWFUL ORDER! What part of that DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

      • Vigilant

        Dave,m

        Enlist in the military, stay a few years and come back and talk about it. Until you become a legal eagle with the Judge Advocare General, you obviously will have no conception of the nature of a lawful order.

        Or would you prefer to see the whole US Armed Forces stand down until your problem is resolved?

      • combatvet

        So Chris you were a commanding officer, obviously and sadly a supporter of Barry the fraudulent CNC. We all took and oath to support and defend the Constitution. Well, Chris we have a Constitutionally ineligible president, he was never vetted and all of his efforts to deceive with forensically proven fraudulent BC’s strengthens the case that every order issued by Barry is a violation of the UCMJ and indeed unlawful. Do you not find it odd that McCain was forced to disgorge all of his records while Barry got a pass when he was one of the signatories to that legislation?

        As some have stated here, it is the responsibility of military personnel, that under the UCMJ an order whose lawful nature is in question, must be disobeyed. This issue was made clear when I was in and my brother, a former Jag and now a retired judge told me that the basic right of discovery is a right that must be afforded to a soldier during a court marshal. Whether you agree with Lakin or not this was a violation of his constitutional right, which we don’t relinquish as soldiers. To have legal representation and be provided an opportunity with counsel to present a viable defense including discovery. This was not a trial, this was a lynch mob run by a judge who was being directed by your hero Barry to deny this war hero due process. We all took an oath to support and defend the Constitution, there is nothing in that oath that states therefore we relinquish all of our rights under said Constitution. We’re a nation of laws, military or not. There wouldn’t be a need for the UCMJ or two sides to a court marshal if only one side had the right to defend their position. Chris why do you think your oath as an officer is different than that of an enlisted man? In the oath you swore to it did not require you to adhere to the UCMJ and to disobey unconstitutional orders. A fraudulently elected CNC is an unconstitutional act, the fact that he was illegally placed on the ballot in 49 states disqualifies him outright. The sentence left out by the DNC in those 49 states was the part that declares he’s constitutionally eligible for the office. Pelosi, at the direction of Barry, filed these fraudulent certifications in all but Hawaii, as they refused to put him on the ballot with that sentence omitted, the other states attorney generals were complicit in the coverup, hmm………think about it? Copies of the ballot certifications of both the DNC and the RNC were posted numerous times on the internet, both versions submitted by the DNC with Pelosi’s signature and the single submission by the RNC. Massive fraud swept under rug and our men and women are dying for tyrannical government led by traitors who violate daily the oath they are giving up life and limb to defend! Lakin is the hero here, Barry is the criminal!

      • Vigilant

        You birthers are so blinded by hatred of Obama that you would be willing to destroy the order and discipline of the military to achieve your ends. That, in my book, is more traitorous than a lot of other things I could think of.

        Lakin admitted he was stupid to disobey a lawful order, and PLEADED GUILTY TO DOING SO. It’s a damn good thing that the lawfulness of orders is determined by professionals and not the hordes of half-baked armchair lawyers I saw in the service.

        The birther issue may be entirely legitimate. So what? That entitles NO ONE to disobey a lawful order. Ther are a hundred other ways to skin that cat. Destroying the military is not one of them.

      • DaveH

        And those who ignore violations of our most precious law — The Constitution, are blinder than the birthers.
        Some people like to keep an open mind about the whole thing, Vigilant. Your way or the highway just doesn’t cut it on this site.

      • Vigilant

        “And those who ignore violations of our most precious law — The Constitution, are blinder than the birthers.”

        The only proven violation of the Constitution was Lakin’s contempt for lawful orders. When you prove in a court of law that Obama’s a pretender, then we can talk.

        “Some people like to keep an open mind about the whole thing, Vigilant. Your way or the highway just doesn’t cut it on this site.”

        An open mind is not a mind that denies the law of the land, and the military tradition/law that has kept the nation free. How much time have you spent in the service, Dave? Do you think officers and enlisted can disobey lawful orders for any reason they can come up with?

        Nor is an open mind one that disregards previously undivulged information (facts) because it doesn’t fit neatly into the preconceptions. No Dave, your studied denial of facts that don’t fit your theories are something I expected from the left.

        “Your way or the highway just doesn’t cut it on this site.” Had you spent time in the US Armed Forces, you’d know that “their way or the highway” IS the rule. Neither Terry Lakin nor any servicemember has the luxury of disobeying a lawful order unless it involves the taking of innocent life.

      • Vigilant

        Please scratch “unless it involves the taking of innocent life” from the last sentence.

      • TIME

        Wayne,

        To a point you are 100% correct, but the facts are not always as clear cut as a “Military CM” would like things to be.

        In fact the old adgae of two wrongs don’t make a right would be applicable here.
        Such as when the noted court disallowed Mr Lakin a proper defence, that did far more damage to the US Military’s value than any other act they committed.

        Thus I submit the following;
        (When an Officer receives an ORDER that he feels is wrong, or is not valid,) Or that would premote war crimes by false leadership.
        “It is that Officers “Moral as well Ethical responsibility” to not only question said orders, but to also outrigh disobey said orders when said orders far excede the Values of Moral & Ethical Laws of Man kind.”
        Who made that statment?
        I will tell you, that statment was used convicted over 5500 Nazi Officers during the Post WW II War Crimes Trials in Germany 1947 -1955. BTW, of that number well over 1/2 were hung by the neck until dead. Of the remaining number 70% were placed in prison for no less than 30 years. 25% were placed in jail for life.

        Thus I again submit that Mr. Lakin not only upheld his pledge to defend the Constitution of the United Statres of America, He also uphelp his Moral & Ethical Orders from a higher Power. He as well uphelh his Pledge to the Citizens of the United States of America.

        I for one Thank God that we have such persons with this amount of “COURAGE.”

      • Joe_KS

        Time,

        Well said.

      • Pathfinder

        TIME : I agree 100%. It is the duty of all military personnel to refuse any and all UNLAWFUL orders.

      • Jovianus

        Who determines whether the orders are lawful? So everyone in the military can question orders at any time and not worry that if they are wrong in their determination no repurcussions? they don’t have to worry about the fact they are under civilian rule? Nice…so every man and woman in the front lines who believes Obama is an American born citizen has to worry if the backup folks are deciding that maybe…maybe..he isn’t so they can sit around and have a debate?

        Give me a break…you guys are so far out of touch with reality, it is going beyond the bounds of humor.

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        Jovianus, whats up, no duel personality today?_ Talk about being credible?__

      • combatvet

        Jovianus,

        Have you not figured out yet that you and the other progressive posters not welcome here!

        The only person out of touch with reality is you and your idolatry of the fraud Barry Hussein. What gives you a right to an opinion on this matter? Where did you serve? It’s easy for a coward to spout bull in support of a constitutionally ineligible dweeb with no cultural connection to America, while my brothers in arms are losing life and limb at the behest of that criminal.

        Why don’t you troll the Huffington blog, more suitable to you disdain for the Constitution. This blog, personallberty.com is for patriots, you, an obvious Barry Soetero Hussein Dunham ( God knows how many other names), worshiper don’t qualify.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        jovi
        If I remember your own words, you haven’t spent two minutes in the service, yet you say WE are so far out of touch?!?!?!? We who have served, have had to actually DEAL with the UCMJ!!!!

      • Jovianus

        Never said if I did military or not before. I did state I have my Draft Card (still have it which is more than probably most of you ‘patriotic’ TPers).

        It has nothing to do with serving in the military or not. It is a matter of civilian rule being over than of military opinion deciding civilian political issues. Vigilant was absolutely 100% correct above.

        It’s not for the military to decide who is or isn’t legally entitled to the office or of any other aspect of civilian life. That is for the civilian courts to decide. He refused to obey a lawful order. Any other determination would place military opinion above that of civilian court decisions. And that, Sparky, means military rule. Case closed.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        jovi,
        Well there, boy, you just demonstrated my point about you speaking on a subject you know nothing about. Had you ANY knowledge, you would know he has the right to compile a defense and they have to let him present his case, even under courts martial!!! He was not permitted to discuss his defense in court therefore, he was railroaded!!!

      • Christin

        Thanks TIME.

        Excellently stated.
        That is how I see it, too.

      • Carlucci

        Time, I agree with you 100%. But since meat puppet and imposter Ovomit and the rest of a criminal cabal is ruling the U.S. right now under the guise of “government”, isn’t the military under the wing of that imposter, and must do as told? Isn’t that basically what happened when Nazi Germany’s thugs, psychopaths, and criminals posed as “government”,
        and the military had to follow orders? Those that did not met a terrible end.

        Don’t get me wrong – I admire what Lt. Col. Lakin did. It took a lot of guts to do what he did. I guess he didn’t realize that the U.S. military is under the rule and will of a criminal cabal.

      • Kate8

        Carlucci – The answer is a resounding NO, and I’ll tell you why.

        As stated above, the military oath is to uphold and defend the CONSTITUTION of the United States against ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic, NOT the POTUS/Commander in Chief.

        There is HUGE question among most of this nation as to the legitimacy of this Presidency. There is ample evidence that this man is a USURPER, a foreign operative, and does not meet the Constitutional requirements for his office. In fact, to any honest person, it’s obvious that our entire system is heavily infiltrated by enemies.

        By his oath, he was duty-bound to raise this question. The fact that Obama refuses to reveal himself is further evidence that things are gravely amiss, and he is the one who is on the wrong side of the Law.

        If a soldier were required to obey the CIC no matter what, we’d have no prostection against a usurper. What we need are MORE of our military people to raise questions, and refuse to continue service until the usurper is marched off in handcuffs.

        The fact that this could happen shows that our system is not functioning, and that enemies are at the helm.

      • BrotherPatriot

        Carlucci & kate8 are spot on.

      • Joe_KS

        Wayne,

        You are right in what you said. That’s the way it is. Frankly, I am surprised that a man can rise to the rank of Lt. Col. and not know this would have been the outcome.

        Having said that, Lt. Col. Lakin certainly did have a good point. Why should ALL Americans be required to present their birth certificates for one reason or another at one time in their lives or other and a man in the presidential office be exempt from doing so? Frakly, Obamas’ arrogance in refusing to prove his citizenship disgusts me. I don’t believe he is qualified to lead an army of piss ants to a picnic, given his attitudes. What ever he may or man not be, he most certainly is not a “leader” acquainted with honor in any sense of the word. I have gotten to the point that I believe absolutely nothing I see and hear about him or from him.

        I suppose one can always point out that a soldier should not dishonor the office of the presidency. It’s just to damn bad the occupant of that same office can heap dishonor in piles wherever he and the missus choose to do so.

        Not long ago any criticism of Obama was declared to be “racism”. A white man who opposes the likes and desires of the collective desires of so many African Americans (Thank God for those Blacks with enough sense to know better) is defacto guilty of racism in the cesspool of the gutless, spineless political correctness.
        He is never given credit for so much as being capable of a non-racist opinion. Well, here is one any way: I am not racist. As a matter of fact, Obamas’ skin color is the only thing about him I CAN tolerate. He disgusts me and no amount of dishonor toward the office of the Presidency can do it more harm than a president who despises our country, our freedom, our economy, our way of life, our military the way this man evidently does.

      • Kansas Kahuna

        Joe_KS…Well said! I fully agree, this fraud needs to be evicted from office!

      • Wayne937

        This Wayne is different from Wayne937.

      • Pathfinder

        Wayne : Lakin’s evidence was germane and relevant to the subject of his trial. Thus denial of admittance of this evidence was unjust. Lakin was railroaded; NOT properly convicted.

        SSG
        U S Army
        Retired

      • Jovianus

        ummm..so you’re saying a military court will issue decisions on a civilian political issue which the civilian courts have chosen to toss out of court time and again. So if the military court decides the civilian courts are wrong? What then? We as civilians accept a military order?

        Jeesh…don’t you guys ever think ????

      • Wayne937

        Wayne, maybe that is why Obama’s AG, Eric Holder, is wanting to try the terrorist in civilian court. He is most likely worried they will be found guilty in the military court.

      • Judy j

        Yes they will be found guilty in military court…then President Obama himself would be the one to sign the execution orders and there in lies the rub. He would be signing execution orders for fellow muslims.
        Obama promised the Saudis once he finished addressing his premier, domestic issue…health care…he would then show them, in no uncertain terms, just how loyal he is to the Muslim world. We are currently witnessing this with our own eyes.
        First, he has stirred the pot in an already tinder pot of the Middle East…now he is trying to push Israel into a position which would certainly spell their doom and demise. American Jews who continue to support this man should relinqish their right to call themselves Jews.

      • THOMAS STEWART

        Comrade Wayne You And The Commie Judge Denise Lind Stop Drinking That Obama Kool-Aid, That Col Lakins Trial Was Nothing But A Kangaroo Court, Yikeess, The Right To Discovery And Forbade The Defense From Producing Any Evidence Or Military Experts Who Might Persuade The Court-Martial Panel And Embarrass Barack Obama, Yikeess, Guilty. God Bless America And Lt Col Terry Lakin A Real American Hero.

      • Pathfinder

        Wayne : You continue to dodge the main point. Lakin questioned the legality of the order. By insisting that he disobeyed a lawful order; you are “begging the question”. Even under the UCMJ the accused enjoys the RIGHT to a fair trial. Lakin was NOT given a fair trial. This particular court martial was rigged. Lakin was railroaded. And, you are continuing to try the same tactics here. Remember the Nurimberg trials, “I was only following orders” is not a valid defense. Therefore; all military personnel are duty bound to disobey UNLAWFUL orders.

        SSG
        U S ARMY
        Retired

      • Old Henry

        Wayne:

        The Supreme Court ruled on Bush post haste.

        The same bunch of spineless worms have continually run from the issue of the Communist-In-Chief occupying OUR WH.

      • vagabond

        Wayne the key word is lawful. as in a lawful elected leader, Col. Larkin was questioning whether or not obummer was a lawful resident and therefore a lawful president. when our men and women enter the service they do not drop their citisenship and are entiteled to all of the rights and protection the rest of us are, your hero should have posted a valid birth certificate from the start in which case non of this would never have happened and a man obummer is unfit to lick his boots would not have suffered as Co. Larkin has. but you probably dont understand that, Col. Larkin should be reinstated with all back pay and allowances,

      • Kansas Kahuna

        Well said, and if the truth is ever made known, I will crawl on my belly if need be to watch Obama swing from the Leavenworth gallows!

      • Dan az

        The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809.ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the “lawful command of his superior officer,” 891.ART.91 (2), the “lawful order of a warrant officer”, 892.ART.92 (1) the “lawful general order”, 892.ART.92 (2) “lawful order”. In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.
        He followed the laws of the umcj and obummer gave the order to silence him what else needs to be said!Its nothing new just the same old crap.

      • Kate8

        Dan az, I agree with you. Obama has deliberately kept his legitimacy in doubt, and I think he’s enjoying it.

        Lakin got a raw deal. What he did was not just for himself, but he was, in a real sense, doing his sworn duty on behalf of the people of this nation. We all thought that, since the issue had been tossed in courts for “lack of standing”, then surely a military person would have standing.

        This is an unmistakable message to us that Obama is above the law; that he is, in fact, a dictator, and no one has standing anymore. If this whole issue doesn’t demonstrate that America is no longer operating under the people’s Constitution, I don’t know what does.

      • Pathfinder

        vagabond : I agree. In addition, if we are all supposed to be equal under the law; why does it take a famous, millionare (Donald Trump) to finally get BHO to show the birth certificate, while it is denyed to a Colonel in our military. I think that this shows that BHO has respect only for money, and the rich.

      • Kinetic1

        Wayne,
        Did you expect a reasoned response from the average reader of this site? Of course you are correct that the outcome of Col. Lakin’s actions were inevitable. Of course this had nothing to do with the President’s personal desire to shut up those who would question his authority. The Col. was given a direct order to deploy, not a request to join the party. Since I have long questioned the motive behind our wars in the Middle East I can’t say that I don’t sympathize with any soldier who does not want to be deployed yet again, but Col. had to know that this would be the outcome no matter who the sitting President.

      • Pathfinder

        Kinetic1 : Nice try, but the responses which I have read here have been both logical and well reasoned. Your own insistance that they are not, is evidence only of your own close-minded defense of this usurper. The sheer arrogance of this modern day furher (BHO) is unconsionable. Again, I insist that Col Lakin was railroaded. (BTW I did expect that his conviction would be the outcome; just as I would expect that anyone who helped hide jews in Germany in 1942 AD would be picked up and tortured by the gestapo. Running afoul of tyranny often works that way.)

      • combatvet

        Pahtfinder,

        I agree with you. Kenetic or Frenetic or whatever its name is, is nothing but one of a handful of serial trolls that have been ordered to post their tripe on the patriotic site. To support your position, my brother was a JAG officer and is a retired Judge. His opinion on this matter is very clear, Lakin was denied due process under the UCMJ as discovery is required for the defense present their side of the case. You do not give up your Constitutional right to due process because you are in the military. The Officer’s oath requires them to disobey an order whose source they believe is questionable.

        Vietnam Vet
        11E10
        HD Oct. ’71

      • Kansas Kahuna

        To Wayne, from a military perspective, you are 100% correct! HOWEVER, being correct does not make it right!

        The following is a copy of an email I just sent to a host of friends…
        Jailed For Questioning Barack Obama »
        Read the FULL STORY!…I woke up feeling good today, that is until I read this article by Chip Woods. Then I got physically sick to my stomach.

        Anyone with a lick of sense and an open mind, after having investigated the evidence at hand, knows that the birth certificates produced by our illustrous FRAUD IN CHIEF, were as fake and phony as he! (See Alex Jones infowars.com re Obama’s long form BC)

        You can just delete the story of a railroaded hero and not know the facts of story…or you can read the article and end up chancing on being sick like me! I wonder just how much longer the American public is going to stand for this dictator and sham of a president, who is destroying our country piece by piece each day, or by banding together now to do something about it!…w AKA Kansas Kahuna in the commenting circles.

      • http://www.michael-mcdermott.ws Michael McDermott

        Question: Do you give up your rights as a citizen when you join the military. All citizens, military or not have a right to question the questionable. What he should had did is say he could not present his birth certificate at that time. The military already had his birth certificate on file, why didn’t they just send it to the sector that requested it instead of asking him again for his birth certificate. He had already proved himself honorable and did his part for his country. To me, this alone is an outrage. Yet, at the same token, I agree with his non-conformity because aren’t we all asked to provide proof of our identification of sorts when we travel, when we look for jobs, when we make investments or buy a home? Why should he or the President be under any other mandate than those of the very people the Commander and Chief reside?

        I come from a military family and understand that they live by completely different codes, yet it sounds like military personnel do not have this thing called FREEDOM OF OPINION OR SPEECH.

        Another thing is, he had every right to provide witnesses, and to defend his case, and was not given that right? By law, every citizen has a right to defend themselves in court. Civilian or Military. This was not right. So, if you question the President or anything or disagree with the President or our government, we should not say anything about it? He should not have said anything about it. It is like we all have become sheep and follow the leader without question. That is not a democracy. That is not the America I know.

        Yet, the point he made is very clear and I must applaud him for taking a stance or something. If more people did that today, than our country would not be in such a shambles. Yet we have people that are afraid to speak, exactly because of the reason he suffered (jail time), so doesn’t that mean that we are thrown the fear of God, or the fear of something else, if we should speak up. WAKE UP, this is where our country is heading. Your rights are being taken away, and it will be the military that we have to worry about as — as you so stated, they are bound by a different set of codes.

        Bully for you Lt Colonel Lack.

      • Pathfinder

        Michael McDermott : I agree !! Just one minor correction, please. This is not supposed to be a democracy. America, under the constitution, is supposed to be a REPUBLIC. There are very important differences between the two. Otherwise, great message. Keep up the good work.

        SSG
        US ARMY
        Retired

      • Mr Bond

        LTC LAKIN HAS MY RESPECT AND SUPPORT. He followed the proper procedure in asking questions and was unjustly punished. The Army has mistreated one ofr its own. SHAME!!

      • Andrea B

        Are you suggesting then, that Col Lakin should’ve reported for duty, then just refused to show HIS birth certificate??

        Would that have been allowable?

        Or what about the fact that both Col Lakin and Prez Oblahblah BOTH swore to uphold and defend the Constitution, and ONLY Col Lakin did so by trying to ascertain if the prez was even eligible to give orders??

        It seems to me that Oblahblah did that shit on purpose…send an INNOCENT SOLDIER to military prison because he asked to see his birth cert, swear up and down that the COLB is the ONLY document he received, then two weeks before the end of his 6 month sentence, he releases it.

        At best, our prez is thoughtless, selfish, and without compassion. At worst, he is what he is.

        Those of us that love our country, respect the office of the presidency, and hold our soldiers in the highest esteem, KNOW that Oblahblah is here to destroy our country from the inside out. Oblowhard is NOT worthy of respect, and is not deserving of the adoration he receives.

      • Pathfinder

        Andrea B : That is an interesting idea. Too bad that it is too late to try it.

      • Stan

        Wayne you are WRONG. THE members of the United States Military do not have to folllow “Unlawful Orders”. Obama is not a natural born Citizen and therefore a fraud; his orders are “Unlawful” and Lakin was correct to ask for confirmation by the unlawfull CIC before being sent into combat again.

        This is not an issue concerning one man; most of America wants a definative answer to Obama’s eligibility (not being presented with fraudulent certificates of live birth either). The US Military should press the issue with Obama as he is waging New wars in Lybia while engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan. THe lives of many American heroes is at stake being sent into harms’ way by an fraudulent cic.

      • eddie47d

        Wayne is right and Larkin made an assumption and lost. This has nothing to do with free speech but disobeying orders. He can complain about not liking Obama (or Bush if he was President) We all have done plenty of that. . He either supported the war effort in Afghanistan or he didn’t and the birth certificate shouldn’t have made a bit of difference. Now if he thought the mission was wrong (which he didn’t)and was protesting the legitimacy of the war itself I would be more inclined to believe his sincerity and respected him more. This issue has nothing to do with Obama sending troops to arrest you in your homes either but some are making political hay over that too.You must all sleep,eat and drink Obama as obsessed as you are and no different than Mr Larkin. You all throw hand grenades to see where they will land and that didn’t work out to well for Larkin. I’m glad his sentence wasn’t too severe and wish that some day he will get a pardon. (Not because he was right but because we are a good country).

      • RetMSgtUSMC

        Argue all you want. He was a member of the military and was obligated to follow his orders. He failed to do so. Guilty as charged. These lame excuses about the Presidents citizenship will never go away. Nothing will ever change the minds of the birthers. The certificate of live birth is what every citizen of Hawaii receives. Are you telling me everyone born in Hawaii is not a citizen? Hawaiian law says those records are sealed. So now you want the law to be broken for this crazy idea. Why don’t you birthers just admit that you cannot stand the fact that the President has a better tan than you. (His mother is white so is he)
        Lakin got what he deserved. I too served my country honorable and faithfully. This ex Col. has brought shame to the whole military by buying into this sham and then trying to use his service to cover his butt. I don’t agree with a lot of things that President Obama is doing but this whole birther issue is a crook of cow dung. Lakin is just another $h!tb!rd looking to justify is actions. I know full well he was told by superiors and friends to back off of this before it was too late. But he choose to continue. He is paying to price for not following some very good advise I know he receive. Too Bad not Sad for him. He screwed up now he has to pay for it.

      • Stan

        WHY do people who support Obama ALWAYS bring up Race? You cheapen your argument whenever you bring Race into the Picture. The whole idea of the eligibility of Obama is not about Race…. it is about the Constitutionality of Obama;s eligibility.

        His father was a British Subject, Obama had dual citizenship at best and that makes him inelligible for POTUS. Obama himself stated after he was elected to the Illinois senate that he was not born in Hawaii, that he was born in Kenya. The AP reported that the “Kenyan Born” Obama was headed for the Illinois Senate. Obama himself calls himself a “Citizen of the World” He has no Alligience to America.

      • Jovianus

        Stan…you don’t happen to have the citation for the case where a court said pres. obama was ineligible to hold the office do you? Case closed. Lakin got off lightly for the insult to the uniform and to this nation.

      • JeffH

        Your comments bring dishoner to the Corp, RetMSgtUSMC, if you ever were in the Corp let alone retired from the Corp.

        Lakin is guilty as charged, no problem with that part because it comes with the miitary territory, but his issue was valid, and he suffered because of the POTUS shortcommings, the failure to squash the question two years ago.

      • http://deleted Claire

        Lakin’s issue may be valid, however, he deserted his military buddies as well as the military. To me, when it comes right down to the nitty gritty, he is a deserter. If I were in the military I would not be able to desert regardless of Obama’s legalization as a US citizen. I would never desert. Is Lakin the only one to pull this stunt or are there others?

      • JeffH

        Claire, with all due respect, Col. Terry Lakin did not “desert” anything or anybody. Lt. Col. Terry Lakin “Refused All Military Orders Until Obama Proves He Is a Natural Born Citizen”. Not even in the same hemisphere as desertion. Lakin stood by his principles and paid a price for it, that’s all and you an bet that there were a lot of military personnel that quietly hoped he would win.

        The Obama campaign is to a large degree responsible for the birthplace controversy by at first claiming that Obama was born at Queens Hospital and, at another time, claiming that he was born at Kapioliani Hospital.

      • libertytrain

        I’m with you on this one – I don’t see him as a deserter. You don’t do nearly 20 years, you can see a comfortable retirement within easy view, get to his rank, and just throw it all away without a whole lot of thinking and support from somewhere for the decisions he made. I think he was the one that was used to make a stand. He’s been deployed in the past – I don’t think he had fears of Afghanistan and isn’t he a doctor – usually not on the frontlines -? There’s something more here than we will ever know.

      • http://deleted Claire

        No doubt there are a lot of military people that do not approve of Obama. Nonetheless, they are still serving their country and are not “refusing” to do so. And this tells me the troops that choose to serve and keep their oath are the ones that are honorable. They have certainly earned my respect. Especially with things the way they are in this crazy mixed-up world. Lakin got off easy, he only got 6 months, it could have been worse but the powers that be decided it was not in their best interest to give Lakin a longer sentence. There are other ways to “prove” a point. Apparently he felt this was “his” way and that is fine. To each their own. However, it would not have been “my” way. I would have kept my oath to the military whether I liked the POTUS or not. I would have kept my oath because I would feel that I was protecting America and all Americans, not the prez. And if Lakin “writes” a book, I will not purchase it.
        Regarding the birth certificate, I don’t know if it is real, I will probably never know. And even if it WAS real, no one would believe it anyway so what is the use? It is like beating a dead horse. I am sick of the birther issue, it is like a bunch of chickens running around with their heads cut off, no end in sight. Our votes in 2012 will make the difference. Hopefully, but I sure am not depending on it. Something tells me America will go from the frying pan into the fire.

      • libertytrain

        Claire – I agree with the idea that there were other ways to prove his point. I’m sorry he chose this way for himself. It cost him dearly.

      • Kate8

        Claire – This man WAS living up to his oath, more than the rest.

        Don’t you think the founders knew that, at some point, our enemies would attempt to usurp the presidency? That is why they made a soldier’s oath to the Constitution, in other words, to the PEOPLE of this Republic, not to the POTUS. Only a legitimate leader should be honored as CIC.

        Obama has continually snubbed the people of America. He’s refused to open his records so we can see who he is. The BC issue may be tiresome, but it is not resolved, so we can’t just let it go. He’s counting on us doing just that.

        Lakin is a TRUE patriot. He did what few of us has the guts to do: stand up for what’s right and refuse to honor the usurper in our WH.

        If we had many more like him, we get this nation back on track.

      • combatvet

        Your a retired MSGT USMC,

        You sir are a disgrace to the uniform, if in fact you are who you say you are. It’s vet like you that make me sick when I think of the real Americans, brothers in arms that gave it all up in Nam! This piece of trash you idolize is a total fraud, hates the military, the nation and our way of life. Get this through you dim brain, Barry Hussein Soetero Dunham etc, etc is a fraud, a criminal, a serial apologizer and bower in chief. The single greatest laughing stock in American history. I find it interesting that the world knows he is a fraud, a puppet, a racist with no cultural connection to America whatsoever!

        The term the enemy within clearly defines who you are. I have many vets I hang out with and many are retired USMC. Let me put it this way, you would disgust them!

        Viet Nam Vet
        11E10
        HD Oct. ’71

      • JeffH

        combatvet, Hear Hear! Very well said.

        You might be interested in the Oath Keepers.

        Are you familiar with The Oath Keepers? They are a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution

        Our motto is “Not on our watch!”
        http://oathkeepers.org/oath/
        http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

      • JeffH

        combatvet, Hear Hear! Very well said.

        You might be interested in the Oath Keepers.

        Are you familiar with The Oath Keepers? They are a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution

        Our motto is “Not on our watch!”
        http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

      • Kate8

        combatvet – Very well said, and I’m with you all the way.

        If only our whole military would stand up for our nation. Sadly, the young ones have no idea what America was ever about. History has been rewritten, and when our history is lost to our youth, it’s as if we never were.

        Those coming out of our schools of indoctrination have been convinced that America is not worth saving. Our enemies have succeeded in putting us to sleep and capturing the minds of our children. We have some perfect examples right here on this site.

      • Old Timer

        Agree Sgt Major. Pardon the presumption, but there ways he could have maintained his honor (resignation etc). The present occupant of the WH has committed enough violations to possibly warrant articles of impeachment or at least exercise our voting him out in 2012.

        Calling him what he truly is worked in boot camp but I fear not so in the WH. We can support our governmental representatives and those few who have enough spine to stand for what is right.

        Semper Fi, Sir, USMC 52 Korea, MD, JD, FACS

      • Gene Farley

        I appreciate and honor your service, sir, in fighting for our Freedom.
        However, reading your opinions and comments, I feel that today you are not in your right mind.

      • Gene Farley

        My apologies, my comment was directed to RetMSgtUSMC

      • azwayne

        Definitely not as smart as you attempt to sound. Lakin was 100% correct in his questioning, he went thru all his superiors as is correct. When they offered no solution Col Lakin did what was then proper. It is so sad the rest of the country didn’t have the brains or ambition to help him uncover the fraud sitting in our white house. Col lakin’s attorneys were worse which may not be an accident. Attorneys have become the lowest class of professions in the world, yes they sunk lower than the “oldest”. It’s just too difficult where to compare them with politicians. as a politicians is usually just a failed attorney. t’s sad our judges don’t know or care how to fulfill justice as they can direct proper courts.

      • Edward Chandler

        I don’t know how anyone can separate their hatred of Husein Obama

      • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/liberty/jailed-for-questioning-barack-obama/?replytocom=443637#respond Lee

        Hey Wayne,
        It’s not the hared for Obama as you say, and the “Birthers” are the American tax paying citizens. It should not have taken someone like Donald Trump to ask the question of “where is your birth certificate?” to show your certificate. Only when thinking of his re-election did the president come up with one. We have people crossing our borders illegally coming up with ID proof faster then that. It should never have been a question to start with, the Birth Certificates should have been there and on file in the beginning. I’ve been asked for ID and a birth certificate many times, and have not had a problem showing them.
        I don’t vote for a Democrat or a Republican, I vote for a person that I can find out information about, being a good speaker doesn’t make you the best person for the job. Being a man, woman, black or white,does not make you best. The “best for the job”, should be the only factor. Telling the people what they want to hear does not make them right for the job. They are not applying for a job as a used car salesman, but for a job as President of the United States, they are supposed to be representing the American people, not part of them, but all of them. There are too many elected representatives today, that are not doing their jobs of listening to the people that voted them into office.
        Lt. Col. Terry Lakin should have never had a reason to ask for that information, it should have been there long before his deployment. Lt. Col. Lakin served his country honorably for more than 17 years. I can’t see giving up 17 years of his life, but that’s the Military. I’m a veteran too.

      • halftruthlies

        I served, and let me tell you that the military does make it clear to question orders that are unlawful, and not in line with our constitution. If your commander and chief orders your unit to go wipe out a whole village of women and children that exhibited no threat, you would hope that your commanding officer makes the decision not to do it, and questions the commander and chief, and if he doesn’t then it is your duty to do so.
        The UCMJ did not do the job correctly by listening to the facts. The fact still remains that there is not enough proof with all the conspiracies that Oh bummer is eligible to be Commander and Chief.
        The ball has been dropped in many courts, not just Oh bummers, but congress also failed to do their job. With all the issues on the table the American people require all the details and are supposed to get all the details according to the constitution.
        When there is room for questioning: like there are with Oh bummer; then all Americans especially ones whom have taken an oath to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States need to stand up and ask those questions and expect to get them answered truthfully. All other organizations that have taken this oath are guilty of treason for not standing up for the constitution. Instead of taking the job for what it stands for many take it just for the pay day…..
        “Or: to destroy a county such as oh bummer’.
        The facts are there, look at the details, do your own research, it will take time, but it’s all there, voting records, actions taken associations, ect…. Ect…..
        Don’t take someone else’s opinion on the matter, don’t be lazy just do the research yourself that way you can discern for yourself, not make assumptions, based on someone else’s work that just might not be complete

        When there is a question of loyalty, and a possible imposter as commander and chief, then there is a larger risk to the American people that can play out and we cannot allow that to happen. There is just enough power in government to cause grave danger to the people of America, and slowly take our rights away that makes it worth living in America, and a great country.

      • Pat

        Wayne, Wayne, Wayne….sorry to see you frontal lobal anal brain transplant wasn’t a success…….
        As President of the United States, Obama also had an obligation to supply a legal birth certificate that had been requested by millions of people…Instead, Obama himself, committed and act of insubordination by refusing to comply to the request of the American people…only difference was…Obama had the millions to keep hi BS “HIDDEN”, until a phony could be reproduced.
        I find Obama more in contempt than Larkin anyday…..and shame on the military for forcing Larkin to leave the military and lose everything he worked so hard for, protecting and serving our country.
        Guess Allan West isn’t the only military hero that our govt and this admin. screwed over.

      • Tierra Teneil/Johnnie Blando

        everybody take a good look at Wayne,….stupid to the bone. How do people like Wayne get to be so ignorant about everything. You have to wonder what hole he has been in his whole life!!

      • April

        Wayne

        Lt. Col. Terry Lakin was not disrespecting the Office of the Presidency. This brave man was Honoring that Office by upholding the Constitution to which he swore an Oath to do. If an order is given that contradicts his Oath to the Constitution of the United States of America, then he has an obligation, a duty, and a right to question that order and defend it. It is Obama and those who falsified numerous documents to buy-not vote him in Office who have betrayed our Constitution and We the People. You Wayne are on the side of the betrayor, therefore, part of that problem.

      • Dr. smith

        yes, obey under any circumstances, that’s what those butchers in the third reich claimed when Hitler’s germany was overcome. As far as the office of the presidency, you have to be a legal candidate to hold the office, and herein lies the deceit with the impostor forced upon us by corrupt media and shadow communists pulling the strings.

        so go ahead dahWayne, salute, obey and be prepared to bend over and grab your ankles like you you normally do. it will all come to head soon and your be on the side of the leftists obeying orders, as for I, I’ll be setting my sights on you!

      • ReneeTheVeteran

        “There was no breach of any rules during his trial, and he was properly convicted.” How do you know? Were you there? Are you a lawyer?

        “If Bush had been president, and someone had questioned his legitimacy because of the 2000 election fracas, that person would still be serving in Levenworth.”

        A complete biased lie. They are right, you are the fool.

      • Larry Owens

        obuma is your president not mine, I did not vote for the Coward.
        I don’t care how much you spout off about the military being different, Col.Lakin took a Stand for something he believed in.

        And all you can say is obuma is a Great pres. what has he done Good for our country? NOTHING.

      • HUGO MARTINEZ

        You are absolutely right. I wonder if any of these who disagree have ever been in the military?

      • Yovnne

        Looks to me like Odummer proved he is illegal by publishing is fake long form birth certificate. His so called birth father a Kenyan is all the proof anyone needs to prove Odummer is not eligible to be a president and is illegally sitting in the WH. So looks to me like Mr. Lakin was correct in not obeying orders from an illegal usurper sitting in the WH and should be totally have his slate wiped clean and Obummer should have to pay for Mr. Lakins’ time spent in the jail. Plus Odummer needs to pay the taxpayers money he has spent on hidding all his paperwork back to the peoples fund.
        As far as respecting the office of the president, you would have to have someone in the office to respect, to be able to respect the office. So you are saying if there is a mad man is in the office of the president which there is, would have someone to kill you that would be ok because its the office of the president and not the mad man? That doesn’t make since to me at all.
        You know respect has to be earned, and sorry to tell you Wayne, the usuper in the WH does not have that, because he surely hasnt earned it. Just like yesterday, he is trying his best to turn on our closest alli, treats them like dirt (lightly speaking) he is such an arrogant idiot. Lies, deceit, never wins. The Bible says what ever is hidden will be made known, and secrets is being made known about this person sitting in the WH pretending to be something and someone, he isn’t.
        The Bible also says call no man a fool and its very hard to tame the tongue and you were wrong calling someone a fool. This is why.
        Matt. 5:22
        Jesus speaking says But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgement: and whosoever shall say to this brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

      • Melbug W

        When Barack Obama loses next election, but refuses to leave office and tells the military to shoot people in the street that disagree… that will be OK too? Probably, as long as they are identified as Republicans, Tea Partiers, or Christians. Barack Obama blasphemes the Constitution, and no one who respects it, should respect him. The quicker he and his progressive cronies are gone, the better.

      • herman richardson

        obey even to the point of genocide on your own?? It will happen, the weak and old are in the way of this. Keep celebrating better wake up

      • Hank, MO

        Wayne– as you noted, those in the military take an oath to obey orders from those “properly” placed above them in the chain of command. But that was the question– was Obama “properly” in the position of commander-in-chief? If not, orders issued by him were illegitimate and should not have been followed by Col. Lakin or any other soldier. Since Obama, at that point, refused to provide satisfactory proof of his eligibility to that office, Col. Lakin’s refusal to obey was entirely reasonable. The court’s refusal to address that issue resulted in a good officer’s imprisonment and the besmirching of his name and reputation. His personal and financial sacrifices are a dishonor to the American military– another case of the government turning on faithful patriots just as they turned on the CIA agents who helped develop the information that led to the killing of Osama bin Laden. Only a thug would allow a good man to go to prison rather than show a piece of paper which all of us have to provide occasionally and which he facetiously provided later when it fit his political agenda. Obama deserves our utter contempt for this incident, alone, even if we would excuse the MANY other reasons for which he has earned our complete disrespect. It is he who should be in prison.

      • Angry in texas

        Hank,Thank you for your thorough insites and intellect.

      • Ken

        As I understand it, the oath is to obey the Constitution, and obey orders only if within the framework of the Constitution. It is not the man with the higher stripes, or the one wearing the badge or pounding the gavel, sir, it is the Constitution that is the law of the land for which the military is to serve.

      • zach

        Wayne, you are so right. For those of us who have served, we know the Col. was wrong. Imagine 13000 soldiers doing and saying what they want in the heat of battle. Some of this is pure racism and the rest is simple ignorance. Either way the office of the President of the United States will not be disrespected.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The office is not disrespected,the one who holds this office should be.

      • Angry in texas

        Zach, How in the world did you get into the military? I thought only intelligent people were able to enlist! I suppose even the military have lowered their standards. I would show the utmost respect for any AMERICAN BORN citizen in the White House but Never a illagal with 23 different ss#`s and one name for college and another for the presidency and another for his passport.

      • http://ptd.net ozzyboy

        It is he who has refused to defend our people, southern border, disrespected our constitution by ignoring the voter intimidation in Philly. Taken God out of our country to be replaced with anything but God. It is the current administration that should be held accountable for his misdeeds. This was the change I was afraid of. Everything done is contrary to our United States. Remember Reagan? Trust but verify. There is no verification or even vetting of this administration. Shame on the American people who cluelessly voted this guy in.

      • smilee

        Wayne says:
        May 20, 2011 at 7:27 am

        Wayne thanks for telling the truth about this. Seldom do you see the truth expressed on this site and rarely in any of Wood’s spins

      • Angry in texas

        Smilee, you poor thing when you were born something happened and you were not given a brain.

      • Judy

        Wayne, doesn’t a person who joins the military take an Oath to uphold and defend the Constitution? Isn’t it against the Constitution to be President of the USA if not born here? Did we ever have any factual evidence that Obama was born here, until recently…. ? Why on earth would our duly elected president with-hold the paper-work (birth-certificate) that is required by all, for just about everything? Makes one wonder. And by not disclosing the birth-certificate for over two years, makes one wonder why. Now, if he is not a legal born citizen of this USA, would that not fall under the subverting of the constitution, for which all law enforcement and military clearly take the Oath to defend? Is not the Constitution larger than any man, even the office of President? Will questioning this have the jack booted thugs coming to my door?? Amen Tinman!

      • Patricia

        I think the legitimate question was, “Is this a legitimate order?” If the order had been given by someone impersonating an officer, he would have had legitimate cause for questioning it. To my knowledge, he never refused to obey any rightful order, but like possibly millions of other Americans, questioned the right of Obama as the ultimate order-giver. If the Uniform Code of Military Justice is concerned only with the “facts’ of the case, then establishing Obama’s authority as fact would be germain to the case.

      • Angry in texas

        Wayne, I will Pray for you. You are so blind you could not see the truth of this or any situation if it were on the tip of your nose.
        I have one question for you and all those like you, What are you going to do when oblah blah`s puppet master comes after you and every american and completes his destruction of our once beautiful country?

      • Mary

        Militars and non militars. We the people are not Bill Clinton.
        These contry is getting worse by the minute.

      • David C. Berry

        hree with you, Wayne, regarding the UMCJ being different from civilian law, there is one essential point that has been missed by everyone. It appears that Col. Larkin was not questioning an order, but questioning its legality. If, as many suspect, Obama is not a natural born citizen of the United States, then any order he gives the military, and Bill he signs, any veto he signs are all illegal. Can you imagine the cost of putting right all that Obama has done if he’s not legally President. And I agree with Judy, Obama seems hell bent on driving America to Civil War – all it takes for him to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

        So, although as an ex-soldier I agree that lawful orders MUST be obeyed, we military also have the responsibility to question those orders if we BELIEVE they are illegal. All Col. Larkin sought was confirmation that his orders were issued legally. He stands to receive much approbation, not to mention money, when Obama is finally caught.

      • Mike Miracle

        Wayne,
        What you fail to mention is that it is the responsibility of each enlisted person NOT to obey and illegal order. PERIOD.

        Based on O’s lack of credentials, he was issuing illegal orders.

        If you think otherwise, you might want to review the war criminals of history and their excuses “I was just following orders” then they hang.

        BTW GWB is still wanted for war crimes in Switzerland.

        Mike.

      • John Salter

        What Wayne and some others failed to recognize is that the Constitution does not mention (that I can find) any exception to the requirements listed therein, such as Freedom of Speech. Therefore, the Army Court Martial was in total error by not allowing Lakin to defend himself by presenting his reasons for disobeying. Also, therefore, the court Martial itself failed to uphold and defend the Constitution by denying certain rights to the citizen who was also a Soldier, and therefore he (the Soldier) was un-Constitutionally denied his rights guaranteed thereunder. If I am wrong, burn me in Hell, Sir! Right is Right, and Wrong is Wrong, any way you slice it. Don’t forget it! –js

      • trish martin

        I believe that if you look, there is a little clause in the UCMJ that says something along this line – that if a military member BELIEVES that an order was not RIGHTFULLY given, that military member is not obligated to obey it. The statement that Lakin took an oath to obey those PROPERLY placed above him brings another issue. If a military member has reasonable doubts as to the authority of the person giving an order, again the UCMJ allows the military member to make the decision whether to obey or not. If Obama is who he says he is, he should have had NO PROBLEM proving it when questioned. Lt. Col. Lakin had doubts as to the PROPER AUTHORITY of the order given him, an order which required him (Col. Lakin)to AGAIN produce his birth certificate, while the so-called Commander in Chief REFUSED TO DO SO!

      • Tom

        So depite the Neurinburg trials, the military can silence dissent at will. The axis people on the mat were told “Befeel is befeel” wasn’t an excuse to follow a wrong disision made by supperiors, and use your concience. The general feeling is that our valiant soldiers fight to give us, or keep our freedom so why would they themselfs be denied that freedom of speech. After all has the army Mayor who shouted “Allah Akbar” whilst mowing down his fellow soldiers been tried yet? Me thinks not. Justice delaid is justice denied. what sort of an example this sets to potencial Army recrutes? Double standards?

      • Russ

        Almost exactly what the German high command said when asked why they murdered 6 million Jews, we were only following orders. The UCMJ say’s lawful orders are to be followed. Ya then ya have the unlawful orders, its called using your head so you can keep it later on when the sh*t hists the fan. If the cheese burger in the W/H is found to be a an illegal dink. Then all his orders will have been illegal, then the sh*t hists the fan, then who will be left standing?
        Semper Fi

    • http://burkecomputers.blogspot.com/ DanB

      Does the “Anointed One” have a problem with freedom of speech? Yes. Did the military act correctly in their handling of this man? Yes.

      The part I have problem with is that the “birther” issue is/was being used politically and someone actually paid an unfortunate price because politicians were playing their games. I am getting tired of politicians and their games. What ever happened to the statesmen? Those statesmen who ended up in politics have probably been corrupted by the system, while they rest treasured their values to much and had the brains to realize that entering politics meant sacrificing their values….

      • Angry in texas

        Dan B let me tell your blinde behind something that apparently you are too stupid to realize. If any soldier knowingly follows any order given by a noncitizen of this country IT IS TREASON!!!!!!!!!!!

    • NotBlind

      SC – We can expect all of this because no one is doing anything to stop it.

      Obama and his regime have been and will continue to run roughshod over this country – until we are no more. Evidently, there is absolutely no one with the courage to put a stop to it.

      It would appear that the world has gone off the cliff.

      • Pathfinder

        NotBlind : Obviously, Col Lakin attempted to do something about it. We have all seen what happened next. So, here we all are writing on the internet. I can hardly wait until November of 2012; since this seems to be our next chance to get rid of BHO.

    • Edward Chandler

      hE IS AN ANNOITED S.O.B. AND THE MOST DANGEROUS PERSON IN THE u.s.a.

    • http://Verizon Bud G.

      S.C.: I would rather this president be impeached or better yet his presidency annulled because the Colonel is right and should be reinstated with back pay. In this way, Obama would not receive any retirement or pay for his tenure as president.

      I have seen the video where he states, and it is him, he was born in Kenya, not Hawaii, therefore the Hawaiian certificate of live birth and the long form are in fact fakes.

      • Geri

        Bud, I have seen the same video and am amazed that none of our Republican politicians have brought this to the attention of the American people. He is no more an American than Hitler. His treatment of this brave soldier is reprehensible and disgusting.

        Geri

    • EddieW

      And…he was right!!! Obozo, our Liar in Chief’s KENYA Birth certificate is now shown on line!!!!

    • Edward Chandler

      Husein { you know that thing that lives in our white house} wouldn’t make a pimple on the good Colonel’s ass

    • Andee

      There is a bill in the Senate, I read, believe it to be S 679 that does indeed indicate that if you disagree with his highness you are FEMA camp bound….it appears it is going to pass the Senate and on to the House…gives the amoeba total control of all in the USA..

    • Angry in texas

      Way to go colonal I am Proud of youy!!!!!!! As for every wanna be american A “CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH” IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!! Anyone weather you were born here or overseas can get a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH!!!!!! From Hawaii

    • http://usintel.net Bill from Laos

      NO! No resignation! This Imposter in Chief must be challenged,
      arrested and tried for his crimes! Patriots are gathering to do just
      that. Join us, and do right!

      http://www.ccaabo.com

      American Citizens Class Action Against Barack Obama

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